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RADIO: Good morning.
It's 07:00 on Thursday the 18 April.
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And on this morning's programme more
than
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40 years later, the coroner's court
gives its verdict today on the
Stardust fire.
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The jury has no now reached majority
verdicts, and they'll be read out at
02:00 today.
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Are we getting in now?
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Just get my jacket on, and
then we're ready to roll.
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It's 43 years this year.
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Now you all ready?
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The long wait.
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Please God, we get
justice for our children.
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Yeah.
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And what more can I say than that?
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Everybody was buzzing to be going to
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the Stardust on Valentine's
night at a disco competition.
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Great spot, very entertaining.
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Was the place to go on the
Northside.
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Everybody kind of knew each other,
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there was a great camaraderie
of the place, you know.
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I noticed smoke just
drifting across the ceiling.
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The DJ announced 'there's
a small fire on the premises'.
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You know, 'don't panic'.
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It's like a door was open
and the fire just went.
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I was in Tara Street fire station.
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The phone rang.
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'I'm in the Stardust',
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he said, 'premises is on fire.'
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He said, 'take this very,
very, very seriously.'
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It was like Dante's Inferno.
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REPORTER: The church was full.
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But in the 1 square mile around
Artane and Coolock,
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this agonising procession
was repeated 17 times today.
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The focus shifted.
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Why did this happen?
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The interviews with witnesses
pointed to the doors being locked.
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They were trapped.
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Windows were barred.
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Council is clear in so far,
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that I've done everything possible
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from the day that place opened
to make it as safe as possible.
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The judge said it was probably arson,
and exonerated the Butterlys
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and Dublin Corporation and the state
of any real responsibility for what
happened.
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Our children were criminalised
as arsonists.
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It made people think
then 'who did this?'
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Relatives are holding a vigilant has
been.
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As a result of families picketing,
standing out in the cold.
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Some of them have sadly passed away.
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Then achieved a fresh inquest
after the decades of campaigning.
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The Stardust families were treated
like dirt,
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and there's no other way to put it.
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They wanted us to just go away and
forget about it.
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But we didn't go away to forget
about it.
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It's for some official real day
that the inquest is actually
starting.
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So it's a big, big day for us
families.
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And we hope at the end
of this inquest,
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that we get to know what
really happened on that night.
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Valentine's morning.
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It heralds the beginning
of finding justice.
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(Siren wails)
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I Love You You More Than I Can Say
- Leo Sayer
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I love you more than I can say
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With the killing of three more UDR
men,
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the total number of people killed
in the North, has risen to 2,001.
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Ireland was a troubled state in
1981.
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First of all, you had the Troubles.
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This attack is the latest in a
series
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on prominent republicans
and H Block campaigners.
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The signs of emigration were
everywhere.
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There was lots of emigration
for many people.
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The latest emigration figures
raised
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fears of a return to the bleak
decade of the fifties.
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Huge unemployment, a deep recession.
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Dank, dirty.
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Those who had jobs were very lucky
to have them,
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but they were being taxed to up to
65%.
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Listen, Charlie...the divil you know
is better than the divil you don't
know!
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The Taoiseach got the time was
Charles Haughey.
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Am I just another guy?
(Cheering)
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Stardust was in his constituency
of Dublin, North Central.
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I miss you more than I can
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Charlie he always led the poll.
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He had a way of looking after
people, and therefore they voted for
him.
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Oh, oh, I love you more than I
can say
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Coolock, Artane and Darndale,
were big working class areas.
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Some of the people who were living
there had moved out from the centre
of Dublin.
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This constituency is, in the main,
a working class constituency.
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A lot of people had more, more than
four, five, six in their family.
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They were all quite big families.
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We had road leagues and community
projects.
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We put buntings out when Dublin was
playing, when the pope was coming.
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People minded people.
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It was a great area to grow up in.
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Every neighbour would know,
every child on their road, kind of
thing, growing up.
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It had 90,000 people at that time,
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it was a well established
residential area with some
industrial areas as well.
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When I got married,
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we lived in town for a while, and
then we got a house in Edenmore.
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After being living in the city,
it was completely a different world.
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I loved Edenmore.
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And my neighbours...they were
brilliant neighbours.
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So mother was delighted, she was
thrilled to have her own home,
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you know, and her back
garden and front garden.
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There was eight kids from the
family.
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I was the youngest.
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We didn't have much, you know, and,
like,
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very few people had a car and
there's no phones and that type of
thing.
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But as regards to, like, if anybody
was short of anything, you always
helped out.
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Doo-doo-doo, da-da-da, is all I
want to say to you.
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There was twelve in the family,
including my mum and dad.
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We all grew up in Donnycarney.
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Two bedroom house, ten children.
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Absolute mayhem.
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My dad died when I was 14.
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My ma, she actually moved down to
the country, then down to Offaly.
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My brother Jimmy, when he got
married,
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he stayed in the house with us
because he wanted to look after me.
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I was still going to school and the
rest were all just working and that,
you know,
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He had a little band going in the
house, so the house was busy, busy
all the time, like you know.
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Tell me why...I don't like Mondays
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Tell me why...I don't like Mondays
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I was 13 when my brother Brian was
born.
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He was a surprise baby,
my mother was 44.
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And I remembers he brought him home
from hospital and she handed him to
me.
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What will we call him?
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And I don't know where it came from,
I said, 'how about Brian?'
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She goes, 'yep.'
So that was it, he was Brian.
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He was funny.
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Chatterer, good looking.
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Fancied himself no end growing up,
like, really no end,
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he thought he was the bee's knees!
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Caroline was very outgoing,
our only child.
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She was nice looking girl,
and her hair was lovely.
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She had beautiful hair, beautiful
hair.
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And she really had.
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She had plenty of friends.
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They would go to local dance halls
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and then they'd meet up and they'd
come to our house and our friends
would come in
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and we had a record player
there.
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And we actually built an extra room
on our house, for her to have her
friends in.
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Ain't no stoppin' us now
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What I remember of Willie,
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he was a big lad, almost like my
father was a very big man.
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I think he was 6' 7".
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Yeah, he was huge.
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Big fireman, you know.
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Willie loved going out the weekend,
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which they all did, I suppose,
back then, you know.
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My mother idolised him,
absolutely...she idolised him!
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George was what my mother would
always say
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'a bloody rascal', you know, and
always getting into trouble with my
father.
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And my mother would always stick up
for him
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or hide him in the coal shed
or in the alleyo, you know, so funny.
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He was always up to something.
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Marcella, she had a fabulous group
of friends, so they used to always
meet up in town
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in the Dandelion Market,
and they'd buy all their records and,
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The Specials, she was into, and The
Beat.
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Mirror in the bathroom, please talk
free,
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The door is locked, just you and
me.
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We got a house in Coolock. That was
in 1964.
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So there was five girls and three
boys,
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and my dad worked in Cadburys.
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My mother worked in Cadburys for a
short while as well,
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til she started having all the
babies.
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Mary, she was the eldest in the
family.
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If we got stuck on our homework,
she'd always help us.
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Martina, I don't think there was one
fella in Coolock that didn't fancy
her,
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she was absolutely gorgeous.
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The Stardust.
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Originally, it was a jam factory in
the seventies,
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and at one stage Patrick Butterly,
who was the owner,
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decided that he wanted to convert it
into Ireland's largest
entertainment complex.
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And he set about doing that.
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And there were various setbacks over
the years,
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Dublin Corporation, refusing
planning permission.
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So it was a long battle.
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He didn't give up.
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Any time he came up against the
brick wall, he appealed,
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and eventually he got it over the
line.
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Patrick Butterly and the Butterly
family, were from Rush in North
County Dublin
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and he was involved in market
gardening
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and that's where he made his money.
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And in fact, it's something
he was very proud of.
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Eamon Butterly was one
of Patrick Butterly's sons.
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The entertainment element of the
business,
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was managed
primarily by Eamon Butterly.
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Eventually the Stardust opened
in March 1978, with a gala concert.
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There were three main
elements to the building.
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There was a pub called Silver Swan,
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the Lantern Room, which was like a
restaurant/ cabaret lounge, and then
the main venue itself,
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which was the Stardust, but as an
entertainment complex,
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the Butterly's would boast at the
time that it was the largest
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and most sophisticated of its,
of its kind in Ireland.
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I'm never frightened or worried
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You know I always get high
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I heat up.
I heat up
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I cool down.
I cool down
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Don't let life get me down
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Lots of big acts played in the
Stardust.
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So myself and my friend decided to
go down and ask could we get a
job.
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They said 'yeah'.
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And we started to work there.
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Pearls a singer.
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We were lounge girls.
We would serve the drinks to the
tables, clear the glasses.
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We would wear a white blouse, black
skirt.
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We were supposed to sometimes but
yeah...that was our uniform.
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Stardust was a great place.
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Everyone headed there. It was a
good spot,
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great spot, very entertaining. It
was the place to go on the
Northside.
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In a nightclub
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Upside down...boy you turn me,
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Inside out, and round and round.
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We'd been to the Stardust like many a
time.
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But this particular night there's
a disco competition on and
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it was Friday the 13th.
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Call me
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There was a big build up to it like,
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for weeks we were all ringing one
another and were saying like, you
know 'what are you wearing?'
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It was a K-Tel disco competition,
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and I think there was a prize of 25
pound, right was the prize money.
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It was a big deal.
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And myself, my brother John and my
sisters Mary and Martina, were
all planning to go.
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D.I.S.C.O.
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Phyllis was invited
to a wedding in Manchester.
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Caroline was invited to wedding
but she didn't want to go to
wedding,
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'I don't want to go to a stupid
wedding,
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'I want to stay my friends and go
to the dance in the Stardust.'
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Her friend Anne Marie's mother said,
'look, you're only away for two
nights,
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'I'll look after Caroline when
you're away.'
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So we said okay, so we agreed to
that.
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I'm coming out, I want the world to
know,
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Got to let it show.
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I was an apprentice butcher
in Superquinn, Northside and I was
16.
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We'd a late night in the butchers.
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Everybody as planning on the
night and when to go.
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So get ready from work,
get over to the house, get a quick
wash,
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get changed and then we meet the
guys down on the Artane Road just
on the way.
237
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The winner takes it all
238
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The loser standing small
239
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There was competitions on every
week.
240
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If you qualified, you went into the
final for the Stardust,
241
00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,680
you know, it was fun,
it wasn't nothing serious.
242
00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,760
You weren't going to be
a professional dancer,
243
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,560
if you wanted to carry it on,
you could carry it on, you know.
244
00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,160
When I got into the finals,
my brother Jimmy was delighted for
me.
245
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,240
You should have stayed at home
yesterday.
246
00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,400
I wasn't allowed go, I was actually
babysitting two kids
247
00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,080
and I gave my sister the money,
248
00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,400
and asked her (laughs) would she
mind them
249
00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,760
just last minute decision
10:00, 'ah look, I'll go down.'
250
00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,600
I wasn't dressed up like an adult.
251
00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,000
I went in, trousers and
an anorak, but I got in.
252
00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,880
All the dancers had to go up early,
253
00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,080
so we had to go up early from the
house.
254
00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,000
Yeah, you're wearing these mad
shirts and trousers and all that,
you know.
255
00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,120
Bit freaky now, you know!
(Laughs)
256
00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,280
I had a white shirt
and striped trousers on me,
257
00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,480
thought I was the bees knees!
258
00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,600
Look, I was with my girlfriend as
well like.
259
00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,160
Keep away from our
door.
260
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,320
My brother Brian, a friend of his,
was actually taking part in the
competition,
261
00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,080
and being Valentine's night the day
before,
262
00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,320
he'd asked the boss could he have
time off,
263
00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,320
and being Valentine's night,
in the hotel industry, he said 'no'.
264
00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,520
So whether he looked at them
with the longing eyes or whatever,
maybe.
265
00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,360
So the boss at about, I think,
was maybe midnight, and said, 'go'.
266
00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,480
So he went. Now none of us knew he
was there.
267
00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,040
I knew George was going.
268
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:54,920
I think George had a date,
269
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,520
because he was after putting on a
new shirt.
270
00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,920
'Willie'...I says, 'you never go up
there'.
271
00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,560
'No' he said, 'I'm going up'.
272
00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,400
Marcella...she told my parents that
she was babysitting,
273
00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,680
but I knew she was going to
stardust.
274
00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,240
And, of course, 'don't
tell them they're going'.
275
00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,080
And I hid her clothes for the
Stardust in alleyo.
276
00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,840
So when she was going babysitting,
she went into the alleyo and got
her clothes
277
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,760
and then went over to her
friends and changed.
278
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,600
I didn't know...
279
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,440
Marcella had gone.
280
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,000
I wish they had never gone there
anyway.
281
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:48,800
Ooh-oh, ooh-oh
282
00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:01,360
Everybody was buzzing, to be going to
the Stardust on Valentine's night
283
00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,320
I'm in the mood for dancing
284
00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,280
Most of the people that were in the
disco competition, we knew.
285
00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,359
I'd a navy three piece suit, red
shirt, waistcoat...very Saturday
Night Fever of me!
286
00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,800
And a tie. Which, obviously you lose
the tie the minute you get into any
place.
287
00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,040
We went in, and the first thing we
noticed was the alcove,
288
00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,400
shuttered off, where we normally sat
was all shut off.
289
00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,080
Celebrate - Kool And The Gang
290
00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,040
We all got in and then
my brother John, he was refused,
291
00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,600
he was told he was too young.
292
00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:49,840
John was 17, Martina was 16, she got
in,
293
00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,920
and em... he went home.
294
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,000
But as we walked in,
295
00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,160
I noticed that the left hand side,
which was the west alcove, was all
closed off.
296
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,480
And I found that was very, very
unusual.
297
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,800
Like in all the time I've been going
there, that has never been closed
off.
298
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:10,480
Never.
299
00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,440
I had a glass of Harp. Now Mary had
Martini and Martina had a Babysham.
300
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,160
So we're just sitting there
and we were yapping away.
301
00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,440
The competition started I think
it was about 01:00.
302
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,920
Well I talk about it, talk about
it, talk about .
303
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:31,560
There was about 25 of us in the
final
304
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,359
and they were taking two off each
time
305
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,520
we got picked out then again at the
end.
306
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,119
We were brought up on the stage and
says, 'these are the two winners of
the competition'.
307
00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,200
And then the DJ took us into the
back,
308
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,320
he says, 'next week, will yous come
up,
309
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,040
'we're gonna give yous
your prizes and all?'
310
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,080
So the music started again.
311
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,880
Everyone's on the floor dancing.
312
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,840
It was after being a great night
up to that, like we got our sausage
and chips
313
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,560
that was included
in the admission fee, 3 pound.
314
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,960
Somewhere along where the dance
competition happened,
315
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,400
just about after that it just got
very warm,
316
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,359
and I noticed it getting
very warm.
317
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,440
Born...born to be alive
318
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,920
You see we're born
319
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,600
We were in the Lantern Rooms tidying
around, that function was coming to
an end.
320
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,320
One of the lounge staff come in to
say there was a fire in the Stardust.
321
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,080
And we went in to see.
322
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,960
I noticed smoke just
drifting across the ceiling
323
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,800
and I thought it was the DJ after
letting off the artificial smoke.
324
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,080
I paid no attention to it.
325
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,200
The DJ announced, 'there's a small
fire in the premises',
326
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,320
you know, 'don't panic,
everything's under control'.
327
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,760
I was down on the dance floor when
he said that,
328
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,000
and straight away I looked
around for my sister to see where
she was.
329
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,280
And I went up to her and said,
'come on, we better go'.
330
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,119
And she was saying 'sure it's
only a little fire'. We could
see it, it was in the corner.
331
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,520
It was on a seat.
332
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,359
That's what it looked like to me,
anyway.
333
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,080
Walked over and we were standing
quite close to the exits, but they
were chained.
334
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,600
This bouncer run in with a fire
extinguisher
335
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,040
and he lifted the shutter,
336
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,880
and there was a fire on one of the
seats in the alcove, which we would
have normally sat in.
337
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,320
He tried to tackle the fire, but
whatever way he was doing it, aiming
through the flame,
338
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,400
and eventually he dropped the fire
extinguisher, and he ran.
339
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,240
And then with that, it's like a door
was opened or a shutter
340
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,400
was pulled up or something,
and the fire just went.
341
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,040
(Distant sound of screaming and glass
breaking)
342
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,119
There was panic and mayhem, and then
the DJ was telling people not to
panic.
343
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,840
I just thought, that's it, I'm out
of here.
344
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,359
The flames was going across the
ceiling.
345
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,680
Then there was a gush, of fire.
346
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,920
And...
347
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,240
...it's like the material from the
ceiling was falling on fire.
348
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,840
The ceiling was starting to collapse.
349
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,080
It was coming down on top of us.
350
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,880
The DJ made another announcement then
351
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,040
for everyone to make their way
to the nearest exit.
352
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,400
We were running to and fro.
353
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,800
And...
354
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,359
we turned to go back to the kitchen
door that came through
355
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,560
and it was locked.
356
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,680
Me, Mary and Martina and my friend,
like, we had gone back and got
our coats and bags
357
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,000
from where we were sitting.
358
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,520
There was a rush of everyone trying
to get out
359
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,520
we were pushed to the ground
and we were trampled on.
360
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,080
And I just remember, like,
couldn't breathe right.
361
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,200
The smoke was choking us.
362
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,280
It was just like as though you
were in hell.
363
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,320
And the next thing, like,
I was knocked out unconscious.
364
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,200
(Phone rings)
365
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,400
I was in Tara Street Fire station.
366
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,600
The phone rang,
367
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,240
I answered the call.
368
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,920
The call was from a firefighter
by the name of John Fitzsimons.
369
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,160
'I'm in the Stardust',
370
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,760
he said, 'premises is on fire'.
371
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,920
He said, 'take this very,
very, very seriously'.
372
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,520
Basically, 'give us everything
you've got'.
373
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,440
Once we got the message
across, we were gone.
374
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,520
(Siren wails)
375
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,119
It was an inferno when I arrived.
376
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,160
I saw flames going up in the air,
coming through the roof.
377
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,160
I think at that stage,
the roof may have collapsed,
378
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:06,119
and I'd say the flames were 10 to
20 feet in the air, you know, above
the building.
379
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160
Because of the inferno,
380
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,640
we could not go near the scene,
until the firemen had extinguished
the fire.
381
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,400
The lights went out,
382
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,440
people screaming,
(Sound of siren)
383
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,520
glasses smashed,
384
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,440
and the roars of the fire.
385
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:30,680
So we held onto each other
386
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,200
and we went through the bar.
387
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040
Em...I slipped and fell.
388
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,680
Everyone was standing on me and
trampling on me.
389
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,560
But then I thought I had died,
because everything went deathly
silent,
390
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,680
there wasn't a sound,
and it was pitch black.
391
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,720
In the hallway, I knew I'd passed two
friends who were panicking
392
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,920
but they were going nowhere, and
screaming.
393
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,880
So I said, I know if I
don't go in, they're gone.
394
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,600
So I ran back in, and I just
flung them into the hall.
395
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,160
And as I turned to go, I fell.
396
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,000
Everybody was looking for people
397
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,280
that was the problem, you know.
398
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,760
People were coming back in through
the doors.
399
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,600
I'd fallen onto the carpet,
400
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,600
which was leading to the hallway.
401
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,800
But then then I realised, I'm back
on the dance floor,
402
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,000
I'm going the wrong way.
403
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,440
The smoke was thick, black smoke.
You could nearly chew it, it was
that thick.
404
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,880
But it was burning you at the same
time.
405
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,320
Every breath I took, I was putting
my hand over my face to keep
406
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,320
the breath in, and staying
down as low as possible.
407
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,200
But when I got up,
we ended up kicking this door open
408
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,000
and a chain bust open, and we
all ended up falling out.
409
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,520
We got out at the side of the exit
door,
410
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,400
it could be number four,
the way they had it marked.
411
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,119
I'm sure I had me girlfriend by the
hair,
412
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,200
'cause I had her right beside me, all
the way out.
413
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,840
And we got outside, my shirt was torn
off me, all down here.
414
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,640
I think everyone was sort of half
clothed,
415
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,720
wherever way we were pulling at each
other,
416
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,320
'cause, that was the only way out,
you know,
417
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,000
they could see probably a bit of a
light at the door and just climb to
get out.
418
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,359
I had Martina's white blouse on me
that night,
419
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:37,080
and a fella from outside seen
the white blouse, and he had to come
420
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,600
in and kick this hand here because
I was clung onto my sister.
421
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,480
He had kicked that hand, and then
dragged me out
422
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,320
and my face was burning,
my neck, my shoulders, me hands.
423
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,080
I was just like, I was screaming
with the pain.
424
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,040
I remember there was a pile of sand,
and I said I'd put my hands in it
cooled me down.
425
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,440
But when I done that,
I rubbed it into my hands and on my
face
426
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,880
it just started stinging,
me and I was screaming.
427
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,960
(Siren wails)
428
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Then an ambulance man came up to me
and he said, 'you've got to get in
the ambulance'.
429
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,840
You could see like the light
coming from a door being opened.
430
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,720
And slowly but surely there was
people just pulling people out,
431
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,160
and eventually somebody pulled me
out.
432
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,640
There was this guy who worked in
the community centre, the youth
leaders.
433
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,040
And I went over to him and said,
'Mick, will you bring me home?'
434
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,680
I actually thought I was going to
sneak back into the house
435
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,760
and my mother wouldn't realise that
I'd been out.
436
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,760
So he said to me, 'who are you?'
437
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,840
because he didn't recognise me,
438
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
and I said, it's Valerie
Fallon'.
439
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,760
And he just asked me, 'what's that?'
440
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,040
And all the skin off my face
was here like a chicken.
441
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:57,720
And I kind of took it off and it was
in my hand and I just held it
in my hand, while we got in the car.
442
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,480
And he drove me into Jervis Street.
443
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840
(Siren wails)
444
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,240
There was girls on fire coming out.
445
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240
I think I threw sand on one of the
girls
446
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,920
because you were so in a panic,
they were looking for everybody, you
know.
447
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,920
We went around the Stardust about 7
times
448
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,760
looking for Jimmy, because
people said they seen him outside.
449
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,920
He was again running around.
450
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,600
There for about an hour and a half
looking for him.
451
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,440
And I said, 'he has to be gone off
in an ambulance or something
452
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,520
because he knew that place off the
bank of his hand, you know what I
mean?
453
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,960
(Siren wails)
454
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,160
Jim came running in, says he
'there's a fire in the
Stardust'.
455
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Panic, and then every hell broke out
then.
456
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Yeah, hell broke out, yeah.
457
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,440
So he ran in there and rang the fire
brigade, his colleagues,
458
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,520
and they told him it was a nasty one.
459
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200
My father, he said, 'George and
Willie are there,
460
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,440
'and we have to get up to the
Stardust, and we know Marcella is
babysitting'.
461
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320
And then I had to tell them,
462
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,520
I said, 'no, Marcella is at the
Stardust'.
463
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,359
And em...that's one thing I clearly
remember.
464
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,920
He came over and he picked me up
465
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,880
and he shook me,
466
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,000
and he said, 'what the fuck do you
mean?'
467
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,720
Excuse the language.
468
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,040
'What the fuck do you mean,
she's in the Stardust?'
469
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,560
And I said, 'yeah' I said, 'she's
not babysitting, she's gone.
470
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,880
'I hid her clothes in the alleyo'.
471
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,080
And he just dropped me down,
472
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,960
and they all just ran
out of my sister's house.
473
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,160
They just ran out...yeah.
474
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,800
We lived in a cul-de-sac,
so every second house,
475
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,440
somebody had, somebody that was up
in the Stardust.
476
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,360
When we got outside,
477
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,960
it was as bad outside.
478
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:26,160
The screams coming from inside, and
people that did go to exit doors had
no chance.
479
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,600
There was no way that they would
have got out those doors because
they were chained
480
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,280
and because...the toilet windows had
bars on.
481
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,000
There was no way out there.
482
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680
'Jesus help us, get us out'...and
then silence.
483
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,520
(Siren wails)
484
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,200
Seeing people that you had spoke
to...
485
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,040
...couple of minutes beforehand...
486
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,880
...coming out.
487
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,440
Then there was...others trying to
get back in...
488
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,480
...'cause their families were in
there.
489
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,440
I was on D watch, and that's the
watch that was on in the night of
the Stardust.
490
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,920
I was in the North Strand.
491
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,960
And I arrived and seen all these
kids coming out,
492
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,800
and they were all like, nylon was
the thing at the time.
493
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,520
They were all there, their clothes
were all burned
494
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,480
There's only 500 gallons of water on
every fire engine,
495
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,320
and it'll only last for about ten
to 15 minutes max.
496
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,160
And my job was to find a hydrant.
497
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Hydrant outside, car parked over it.
498
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,840
And someone said, 'there's a hydrant
across the road', so we had to cross
the road.
499
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,600
And if there was, it was
tarmacadamed off.
500
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,040
The officer said, 'Paul, forget it.
501
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,400
'It's a major rescue, get up there,
start doing what you can.
502
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,400
'Get the kids out.'
503
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,000
So I went up and I can
hear kids in the toilet.
504
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,440
So I shouted in to the kids,
505
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,840
'lie on the ground, smoke will rise
and it'll stop you from choking'.
506
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,640
But the toilet windows were blocked.
507
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,440
I remember getting the phone call
that night,
508
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,200
and my boss, he told me to get my
backside out to Artane,
509
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,120
there'd been a fire
in a disco called the Stardust.
510
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,920
I hadn't a clue where it was.
511
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,120
I remember jumping in my car
and going over Butt Bridge.
512
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:28,080
I just followed the ambulances
from there out to the Stardust.
513
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,080
(Siren wails)
514
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,160
I remember getting there and the fire
engines were still dousing the
Stardust.
515
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,320
And I remember the water
was freezing on the road.
516
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,120
It was so cold that particular
night, into the morning.
517
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,880
And it just stuck
in my head how cold it was.
518
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,480
So many people there, ambulances,
fire brigades, reporters, onlookers.
519
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,000
It was absolutely chaotic.
520
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,520
(Siren wails)
521
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,720
I remember arriving on Kilmore Road,
522
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,400
and I went over to fire officers,
523
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,080
and I just, they were working away,
and I was asking them, you know,
'were you inside?
524
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,400
'What did you see?'
525
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,440
One fire officer said to me,
'there's more than just a few dead'.
526
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,240
And he just walked away.
527
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,040
The ones we saved were the ones we
saved.
528
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,400
I remember going in one door,
529
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,680
and there was two girls, lying on
the staircase.
530
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,920
They were pronounced dead
almost at the beginning.
531
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000
But the firemen were concentrating
on, rescuing the living.
532
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,920
You know, their bodies
could be moved at any time,
533
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,120
and it's a decision that nobody
should have to make.
534
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,440
I started talking to people then and
were saying 'there were doors
locked,
535
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,160
'we couldn't get out the windows.
536
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,640
'People were falling all over the
place'.
537
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,800
A lot of them said it was darkness,
that the lights went out.
538
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,160
The people themselves, the young
people,
539
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,520
I mean, some of them were
only 16 years of age.
540
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,000
They shouldn't have been there.
541
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,360
They realised how lucky they
were to have escaped this.
542
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,040
They didn't realise that they were
cut, they were bruised.
543
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,440
There were a lot of them
just looking for their friends.
544
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,080
And that impressed me because
545
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,880
even though they had escaped,
they weren't thinking of themselves,
546
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,320
they were thinking of where the
friends were,
547
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,320
because they hadn't a clue
where...what happened to them.
548
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,719
At that time, firefighters were
interchangeable with ambulance
duties.
549
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,280
I was doing ambulance duty that
night,
550
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,080
and I was met by the officer
in charge,
551
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,080
and he said to me, 'like, there's
already people here that you can take
to hospital'.
552
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,719
I mean, we were so outnumbered,
you know, it was unreal.
553
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,960
So it was just a question of closing
the doors and taking them off
554
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,960
and the ambulance was so full,
555
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,280
people sitting in the front,
people standing in the back,
556
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,120
and we were directed to James's
Hospital.
557
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,760
The firemen, they had to go
in and take out the bodies.
558
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Some of them were, had fallen apart,
559
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,360
and they had to get them onto
blankets or whatever they had.
560
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,960
And because there were so many,
561
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,440
they were bringing them out,
dropping them down
562
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,160
and then we had a trail of
ambulances coming,
563
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,840
to take the bodies away down to the
morgue.
564
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,640
The third officer that was there,
565
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,600
he said, 'can you set up a temporary
morgue along the wall
566
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,520
'and just make sure everybody comes
out, put the body down there?'
567
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,080
And then my job was to hose them
down,
568
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,800
make sure, 'cause their
clothes were still burning.
569
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,080
(Siren wails in the distance)
570
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,440
The journey, because the ambulance
was so loaded, was a good deal
slower.
571
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,760
It couldn't be rushed.
572
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Also, my colleague was trying to
carry out
573
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,320
as many dressings as he possibly
could to the people that were
burned.
574
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,040
It was very, very silent... shocked.
575
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,080
Obviously, there was ambulances,
everything turning up.
576
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,680
And this guy said, 'you better come
with me,'
577
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,920
he says, 'you're in a bad way'.
578
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,320
I said 'no I've got to go home
and tell my parents'.
579
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,000
He said 'no you need to come with
me'.
580
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,400
And he brought me down to the
ambulance,
581
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,160
and the only place available was
the front seat beside the driver.
582
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000
And he brought me around the front
and says, 'you better take him',
583
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,680
he said, 'I can't take him in here',
he said 'you have to take him'.
584
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,160
The ambulance driver just looked at
me and says, 'fuck it, put him in'.
585
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680
Pardon the French but,
he just said 'put him in'.
586
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,200
So, in I sat,
587
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,360
and he slammed the door
588
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,960
and then when shot off to the Mater
Hospital.
589
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440
(Siren wails)
590
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,480
When I was a senior student nurse
at that time, I was 20,
591
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,840
and I remember being on a break,
592
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,800
and I heard this trolley,
593
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,520
and I looked outside,
594
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,800
and I thought it was
a black person sitting up on the
trolley.
595
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,080
But I learned afterwards,
it was a young girl.
596
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,239
Next minute all the phones were
ringing in all the wards.
597
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,320
(Phone rings)
And we got the message,
598
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880
'all senior student nurses
head down to A&E.
599
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,280
'There's been a disaster.'
600
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,600
They were all my own age, a lot of
them,
601
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,200
and some of them were younger, 16,
602
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,680
em, they were just so young.
603
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Went to try many hospitals,
every hospital along the way.
604
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,960
There was porters outside,
seeing the ambulance coming in,
605
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,880
and they were doing that to say,
the hospital is full.
606
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,680
So then I ended up, right, going to
St. James's and St. Vincent's.
607
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,440
And in the end, I ended up
in Doctor Steevens' Hospital,
608
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,160
that was the last hospital, right?
609
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,800
And I was admitted in there.
610
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,920
There was a lot of people in the
hospital,
611
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,480
and as I was looking at them, I was
saying to myself, 'oh my God, look
at them.
612
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,160
'They are really bad'.
613
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,120
I didn't realise they were doing the
same back to me,
614
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,480
because they couldn't recognise me.
615
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,040
I don't know if anybody
remembers Jarvis Street,
616
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,600
there was a tiny little car park,
617
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,719
it's really where the ambulances
went in.
618
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,719
But Mick drove into the car park,
and a security guy came out
619
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,880
and of course, he just took one look
at the two of us,
620
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,760
and we were black from head to toe.
621
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,400
And Mick was saying, 'there's
actually been a fire in the
Stardust,
622
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,520
'does anybody know?
623
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,320
'You know, we drove here.'
624
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,080
When I'm telling you that we were
talking, we were, like, not talking,
625
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,560
it was like gasping for air
when we were speaking,
626
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:03,600
so I don't know how much sense we
made or, you know, what they
understood what we
627
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,440
were telling them, but there was
more people going to come.
628
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,120
And then the doors opened,
and they just fell in the door.
629
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,880
The smell of smoke, I'll never
forget it.
630
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,840
And their greyed faces,
you know, from the smoke.
631
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,920
There were so many, you know,
we hadn't enough tourniquets.
632
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,120
And so I was squeezing the arm to
get up
633
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,160
the vein for the doctor
to get the cannula in.
634
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,080
And I took away my hand and the skin
on my hand of the person there.
635
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,840
I went into the Mater Hospital
and there was more ambulances
arriving,
636
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,800
and I was then up saying, giving
people seats and get that girl
over here.
637
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,200
And this doctor walked out and says,
'what's he doing up and about?
638
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,560
''Get him behind the curtain.
639
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,360
And they knocked me out,
640
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,200
and after that, weeks later,
I woke up in intensive care.
641
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,560
I was brought into Dr Steevens'
Hospital
642
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,400
and I was put to a cubicle
as everyone else was,
643
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,239
and I remember, like, you know,
I thought that we had been forgotten
about
644
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,640
because the curtain was pulled,
right, and
645
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,560
couldn't get off the bed, right,
I was in agony,
646
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,719
I couldn't breathe,
and my hands was hurting me,
647
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,880
I just kept doing that,
648
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,760
banging them out side of the
cubicle.
649
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,600
And trying to scream, but I'd no
voice.
650
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,560
(Lights flicker on and buzz)
651
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,840
And eventually somebody did come, a
doctor, and I was put on a life
support machine,
652
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,600
because one lung had collapsed on me
653
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,280
and the other lung was badly
damaged with smoke inhalation.
654
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,680
There was water everywhere.
655
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,200
There was a stench of that
acrid smell of burning.
656
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,160
There was no cordons or anything,
657
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,000
so we just walked up and, there was
a guard with a flashlight and he
just opened it
658
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,200
and I looked in.
659
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,480
Everything was just charred,
and the smell would knock you out.
660
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,040
It was like Dante's Inferno.
661
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,280
There were a group of people that
were
662
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,160
in a kind of a semicircle,
that had been obviously friends,
663
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,160
and they had obviously put their
arms around one another, put their
heads down
664
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,160
because of the speed of what went
on around them and all of that,
665
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,480
they really didn't have much
of an option for escape.
666
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,560
And basically what happened was they
had been fused together,
667
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,440
and you know, it was a gruesome
undertaking,
668
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,480
but they had to be separated
669
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,080
and it was a matter of breaking them
apart
670
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,640
as reasonably as possible.
671
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,480
And that's what we got involved in.
672
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,600
Yeah.
673
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,800
It was gruesome work.
Yeah.
674
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
Nobody walks away from that.
675
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,160
I got a phone call at home
that had been a fire.
676
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,360
The lights were all gone
and they want the place lit up.
677
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,960
We hooked up the generator,
678
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,160
which is a small trailer,
and loaded it with lights and off we
went.
679
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,280
We had to try and get our
generator in onto the floor.
680
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,480
So we parked beside the fire escape
681
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,320
and we went around to the
main door to get in,
682
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,880
see if we could we get the fire
escape door opened,
we couldn't,
683
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,480
it was chained up, you know.
684
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,000
so there was a Policeman
there from Santry
685
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,840
and he got his foot up to it and he
kicked it out, and the bar broke off.
686
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,120
And still, still chained, but the
bar broke off.
687
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,000
Well, there's a few firemen still
damping out bits of the fire,
688
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,600
but otherwise there was nobody in the
building, only us.
689
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,200
Remember me aunt saying that night,
690
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,640
is it really, really bad?'
691
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,640
She said 'half of Coolock is gone.'
692
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,200
It was a dream.
693
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,440
The whole thing is a dream or a
nightmare that was unfolding.
694
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,239
(News report beeping signal)
695
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,719
As dawn came
696
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,600
em you began to see the shell
of the Stardust,
697
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,600
you know, that charred and the smell
and the smoke was still rising from
it.
698
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960
Well, in the early hours of the
morning, after most of the bodies
had been removed,
699
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,280
a Garda sergeant took me
into the Stardust club.
700
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,360
AUDIO CLIP: God Almighty.
701
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,800
The bar and Silver Swan,
702
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,480
they weren't touched at all,
just the Stardust itself. The whole
area.
703
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,600
And from 10:00 this morning,
704
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,920
relatives will begin the very
painful and difficult task
of identification.
705
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,440
In a way, we didn't know then what
the scale of the tragedy was,
706
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,239
of how many people had died
and the numbers who were injured.
707
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,400
Charlie Haughey arrives,
708
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,040
and the most bizarre thing of all,
709
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,560
we walked through the Stardust.
710
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,680
This affects inside with Charlie and
the inspectors.
711
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,520
We were allowed in,
talk about forensics.
712
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,080
It's the most bizarre thing,
713
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,280
we were actually allowed
to trudge through it.
714
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,320
REPORTER: Taoiseach, could I ask
you, indeed, is there any room for
suggestion,
715
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,520
or any room for suggestion that in
fact, this fire might have been
malicious?
716
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,680
Can you say? No.
717
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,520
I don't know anything
at all about that yet.
718
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,560
The Gardaí are here and they have no,
not yet come to any decision at all.
719
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,800
Taoiseach, have you a message
for the people in the area?
720
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Em...
721
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:51,280
...this is my...
722
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,480
...this is my native parish, and
723
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,280
I would know, I know most, very, very
large number of the families
concerned.
724
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,239
Em...
725
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,920
Many of the parents, they woke up
and they saw
726
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,800
their child's bed hadn't been
slept in that night,
727
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,200
and in a panic, they did a run
around all the main hospitals,
728
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,920
hoping to find their children.
729
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:33,320
REPORTER: Now here with a look
at the morning papers, P.P. O'Reilly.
730
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,360
St Valentine's Day, 1981
731
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,600
will be remembered in Dublin
forever, as the Dublin papers cry
out in many words
732
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,400
and pictures the sorrows of the
night.
733
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,680
The loss of the young.
734
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,239
But every owner or manager of any
enterprise where the public gathers,
735
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,040
must be jolted and shocked into
checking at speed his or her own
responsibilities
736
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,760
should fire or other sudden disaster
strike.
737
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,920
Some extra devotion to
safety
738
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,600
must be wrenched from this
awful experience.
739
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,560
A steady stream of relatives and
friends have been calling at the
morgue since ten.
740
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,760
For the families that had to come
and identify them, it was
absolutely terrible.
741
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,160
(Tearfully)
It took three of my kids
742
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,800
who just went through to enjoy
themselves.
743
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,080
Where all the emergency exits open
at the time of the fire?
744
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,920
He was pushing it and wouldn't open.
745
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,280
All the doors have chains on them,
and the chains are hanging on the
doors open.
746
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,840
There will be a high court judge
presiding over the tribunal.
747
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,280
We thought this was great.
He's gung ho,
748
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,000
he's going to get this sorted out.
749
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,760
You can't say probable arson.
750
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,480
It's either arson or isn't.
751
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,719
And it allowed the Butterlys
to receive 600,000 pounds in
compensation.
752
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,760
600,000 punts,
753
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,680
I mean...
754
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,800
Hundreds more injured.
755
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,040
The hospitals and homes
littered with the casualties.
756
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,280
The areas of Coolock, Donycarney,
Artane,
757
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,239
devastated.
758
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,719
Their young, the pride of their
families,
759
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,560
the nations tomorrow, taken
swiftly, cruelly from them.
(Voice fades out)
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