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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,842 [harp music playing] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:10,051 --> 00:00:13,888 You know, I'm an idea man. 5 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:16,933 I spend a lot of time thinking. 6 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:21,146 Thoughts are funny things. 7 00:00:22,397 --> 00:00:24,441 They can lead to ideas. 8 00:00:27,068 --> 00:00:28,319 There's one now. 9 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:31,031 ["II B.S." playing] 10 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:45,503 Now, when you get an idea, 11 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:49,299 you have to look at it from every direction. 12 00:00:51,343 --> 00:00:52,594 [roars] 13 00:00:54,763 --> 00:00:55,930 - [gunshot] - [glass shatters] 14 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:01,269 {\an8}Help. 15 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:04,439 [children giggling] 16 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:08,443 {\an8}- [screams] - [groans] 17 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:14,407 {\an8}Then along comes a new, fresh idea. 18 00:01:14,407 --> 00:01:15,617 [shouts] 19 00:01:18,411 --> 00:01:19,871 And this gives you other ideas, 20 00:01:21,414 --> 00:01:23,291 which gives birth to other ideas. 21 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:29,130 And finally the whole thing crystallizes into one gloriously marvelous, 22 00:01:29,130 --> 00:01:31,508 great, big, beautiful idea. 23 00:01:44,813 --> 00:01:45,814 [music ends] 24 00:01:59,828 --> 00:02:01,413 {\an8}[crew chattering] 25 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:03,164 {\an8}- [Seeff] Looks fantastic. - [shutter clicks] 26 00:02:03,164 --> 00:02:07,085 {\an8}[Seeff] Stand up. There's, uh-- There's a little rectangle on the floor. 27 00:02:07,961 --> 00:02:09,295 Stand up. 28 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:12,799 I think he looks so good this way that I'm-- 29 00:02:12,799 --> 00:02:14,634 It's just it's so graphic an image. 30 00:02:16,469 --> 00:02:17,470 Great. 31 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:19,472 - Yeah. - I don't do this for a living. 32 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:21,182 - [Rockwell] You got a great face. - [Seeff] Oh. 33 00:02:21,808 --> 00:02:22,809 [Rockwell] Oh, yeah. 34 00:02:23,643 --> 00:02:28,398 [Seeff] How would you define yourself now, as a puppeteer or a filmmaker or... 35 00:02:29,607 --> 00:02:32,277 - [stammers] Any of those. - [Seeff] Yeah, right. 36 00:02:32,277 --> 00:02:34,362 - And all of the above? - Yeah. Sure. 37 00:02:35,447 --> 00:02:40,201 Do you get a lot of fear wondering whether your perceptions are correct? 38 00:02:40,201 --> 00:02:43,538 [Jim] Uh, when you're running a whole, you know, several-hundred-person unit, 39 00:02:43,538 --> 00:02:47,083 uh, you have to keep everybody else enthusiastic. 40 00:02:47,083 --> 00:02:49,502 - [Seeff] Uh-huh. - You can't really express 41 00:02:49,502 --> 00:02:51,629 grave doubts and stuff, whether or not your-- 42 00:02:51,629 --> 00:02:53,965 this whole thing is a good idea or not. 43 00:02:53,965 --> 00:02:55,050 [Seeff] Yeah. 44 00:02:56,551 --> 00:02:58,553 - [shutter clicks] - Is this a nine-to-five job? 45 00:02:59,137 --> 00:03:01,765 No, it's sort of... [chuckles] ...an all-the-time job. 46 00:03:01,765 --> 00:03:03,099 - [laughs] - [Seeff] Yeah. 47 00:03:03,099 --> 00:03:06,644 It's every-- "every moment of one's life" kind of a job, I suppose. 48 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:11,608 [Oz] I met Jim when I was 17. 49 00:03:11,608 --> 00:03:14,778 And it took about ten years to get to the point 50 00:03:14,778 --> 00:03:17,030 where we could sense each other's rhythms. 51 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:18,365 [shutter clicks] 52 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:22,118 I was the mainstay performer with Jim for 35 years. 53 00:03:29,542 --> 00:03:31,044 {\an8}Jim created out of innocence. 54 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:34,673 He was a very rare, rare creature. 55 00:03:36,007 --> 00:03:39,010 He was so internal and quiet 56 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:42,472 that his inner life must have been sparkling. 57 00:03:44,557 --> 00:03:47,477 He had so many ideas and so many things he wanted to do. 58 00:03:47,477 --> 00:03:52,482 And so the idea of time, I think, was very much on Jim's mind always. 59 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:55,652 [clock ticking] 60 00:03:55,652 --> 00:03:57,529 [Rockwell] I was what they called a "creative assistant," 61 00:03:57,529 --> 00:04:01,449 {\an8}an assistant that would travel with Jim and shadow him 24-7. 62 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:04,077 You should be much more active. You need to be running around. 63 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:06,079 [ticking continues] 64 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,291 His ideas came from excitement in him. 65 00:04:11,292 --> 00:04:14,963 [Rockwell] He said to me that from a very early age, 66 00:04:14,963 --> 00:04:19,509 he had the feeling that he was here for a purpose and a reason. 67 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:22,303 And that was largely what drove him. 68 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:27,892 {\an8}I feel like he came onto this planet, and he knew he had a mission and a calling. 69 00:04:27,892 --> 00:04:30,353 He's like, "Gotta get it done. Gotta get it done." 70 00:04:32,022 --> 00:04:36,234 [Rockwell] His schedule was so packed. New York to London to Toronto to LA. 71 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:38,945 His drive was superhuman. 72 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:41,364 Uh, we have to keep going, and you get to go home. 73 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:43,158 [Goelz] It was a restlessness. 74 00:04:43,158 --> 00:04:46,786 {\an8}He was always doing, always creating. And he was urgent about it. 75 00:04:46,786 --> 00:04:48,621 Wrap it up and get to the ending. 76 00:04:49,247 --> 00:04:52,459 [Jim] I've always operated doing a few things at the same time. 77 00:04:52,459 --> 00:04:54,336 And I find it very exciting. 78 00:04:54,336 --> 00:04:59,174 {\an8}It's just an incredibly busy life with a shocking amount of things 79 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:00,967 {\an8}that got done in every year. 80 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:04,804 [Oz] Why he kept going so much, I don't know. 81 00:05:06,181 --> 00:05:08,516 There's no real one answer. That's the trouble, you know? 82 00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:11,644 [creaking] 83 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:24,491 Muppets, they're superstars. 84 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:28,745 250 million people enjoy them every week. 85 00:05:28,745 --> 00:05:30,830 And just because they're so popular, 86 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:34,334 we may neglect to notice that Muppetry is also an art. 87 00:05:34,918 --> 00:05:38,505 Sitting beside me here is the Muppet master himself. 88 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:40,215 There's only one word for Jim. 89 00:05:40,215 --> 00:05:41,549 He's a genius. 90 00:05:41,549 --> 00:05:45,553 Think of Rasputin as an Eagle Scout. 91 00:05:45,553 --> 00:05:46,888 [audience laughs] 92 00:05:46,888 --> 00:05:49,808 And in the chair next to him, and, indeed, seldom far from him, 93 00:05:49,808 --> 00:05:54,312 is Jim's close associate and friend, a man who truly fits his name. 94 00:05:54,938 --> 00:05:58,358 Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Frank Oz and Mr. Jim Henson. 95 00:05:58,358 --> 00:05:59,442 [applause] 96 00:06:01,069 --> 00:06:03,405 Let's get this on the record. How did you start? 97 00:06:03,988 --> 00:06:06,408 So when I started, it was, like, just out of high school, 98 00:06:06,408 --> 00:06:08,660 and I just heard about a television station 99 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:10,245 that was looking for a puppeteer. 100 00:06:10,245 --> 00:06:12,330 And so I made puppets and auditioned 101 00:06:12,330 --> 00:06:14,082 because I really wanted to work in television. 102 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:18,294 I don't recall ever seeing a puppet show when I was a kid. 103 00:06:18,294 --> 00:06:20,338 You never saw a puppet? 104 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:24,676 No. And I never played with puppets. I never had any to play with. 105 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:30,724 [Lisa] He grew up in rural Mississippi. Leland, Mississippi, 106 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:35,729 on a Department of Agriculture research station. 107 00:06:37,313 --> 00:06:39,315 His mother was a Christian Scientist, 108 00:06:39,315 --> 00:06:44,279 {\an8}and his father agreed to be Christian Science because he loved her. 109 00:06:45,113 --> 00:06:47,115 His older brother was his best friend. 110 00:06:47,699 --> 00:06:50,201 {\an8}They would spend a lot of time outside, 111 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:52,287 a lot of time exploring. 112 00:06:54,122 --> 00:06:56,291 If you imagine the peacefulness... 113 00:06:59,169 --> 00:07:04,174 {\an8}he really had that kind of childhood where your mind is allowed to fill in. 114 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:11,848 [Jim] When I was fairly young, we just got a television set. 115 00:07:12,807 --> 00:07:14,851 Television was in its early days, 116 00:07:14,851 --> 00:07:17,645 and I thought it was such an exciting thing. 117 00:07:17,645 --> 00:07:19,939 This television picture that was happening in one place, 118 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:21,900 and you could see what was going on somewhere else. 119 00:07:25,153 --> 00:07:28,531 {\an8}From the first time he saw a television, I think that's where he wanted to go. 120 00:07:29,282 --> 00:07:33,036 [Cheryl] You think of a guy growing up in Mississippi. 121 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:37,499 A television set could bring the world into your home. 122 00:07:37,499 --> 00:07:39,834 Like, that's just like, boom, mind-blowing. 123 00:07:41,419 --> 00:07:42,671 - [static] - His name is Jim Henson, 124 00:07:42,671 --> 00:07:45,507 the most famous name in the whole history of puppetry. 125 00:07:45,507 --> 00:07:48,218 And you're telling us that you went into puppetry 126 00:07:48,218 --> 00:07:50,053 just as a way to get into television? 127 00:07:50,053 --> 00:07:52,931 Yes, because I wanted to work in this field. I-I loved it. 128 00:07:52,931 --> 00:07:54,307 - [scoffs] - [audience laughs] 129 00:08:00,772 --> 00:08:03,942 [Jim] Throughout, I'd get all the credit and so forth. 130 00:08:05,902 --> 00:08:09,406 But back in the early days, it was my wife, Jane. 131 00:08:10,073 --> 00:08:12,492 Actually, she wasn't my wife when we started working. 132 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:16,871 She and I were the whole thing for the first, oh, five, seven years. 133 00:08:18,456 --> 00:08:21,626 My mom had a wicked sense of humor. She was really, really funny. 134 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:27,173 She was very, very artsy, but she was also extremely earthy. 135 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:34,305 {\an8}She was a painter and a ceramicist, and her art was very important to her. 136 00:08:36,474 --> 00:08:38,810 {\an8}I met Jim in a puppetry class. 137 00:08:39,561 --> 00:08:42,147 {\an8}It was my senior year, and he was a freshman. 138 00:08:42,772 --> 00:08:46,651 When he was young, everything was absolutely intriguing to him, 139 00:08:46,651 --> 00:08:49,237 and he just couldn't wait to get on to the next thing. 140 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:54,159 The puppetry class really was the first thing he did with the university. 141 00:08:54,826 --> 00:08:56,619 It was a senior class, 142 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:58,538 and Jim was coming in as a freshman. 143 00:08:59,497 --> 00:09:02,167 He started writing all the scripts, designing the puppets, 144 00:09:02,167 --> 00:09:04,127 and he pretty much took over the class. 145 00:09:04,711 --> 00:09:07,589 And he had that boy-genius quality about him. 146 00:09:08,715 --> 00:09:09,966 His skin wasn't perfect. 147 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:11,885 He wanted to take care of his acne, 148 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:15,138 and his mother didn't want to have him go to a doctor. 149 00:09:15,138 --> 00:09:17,807 So as soon as he could grow a beard, he just wanted to have one. 150 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:23,521 [Lisa] He thought of himself as a pimply-faced, skinny teenager, 151 00:09:23,521 --> 00:09:26,358 and then carried that with him for a long time. 152 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:31,988 When they first met, she was much worldlier on multiple levels. 153 00:09:31,988 --> 00:09:35,492 She came from New York. She had had other boyfriends. 154 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:37,994 She was more socially adept than him. 155 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:44,626 {\an8}They both had a sophisticated appreciation of nonsense and absurdity. 156 00:09:45,377 --> 00:09:47,212 That's probably what pulled them together. 157 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:52,300 [Jane] He already had some puppets on TV 'cause he started in high school. 158 00:09:53,593 --> 00:09:58,682 And it was in that spring semester that Jim asked me to help him at WRC. 159 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:05,522 {\an8}Jim was an artist. 160 00:10:05,522 --> 00:10:08,650 He wanted production design, but he was fascinated by television. 161 00:10:09,484 --> 00:10:10,527 [crew] Action. 162 00:10:11,277 --> 00:10:13,446 I heard of a TV station that was looking for a puppeteer. 163 00:10:13,446 --> 00:10:15,907 So I painted the scenery and I built the puppets, 164 00:10:15,907 --> 00:10:19,411 and wrote the materials and auditioned and got a job. 165 00:10:19,411 --> 00:10:21,538 {\an8}And that's kind of how it all started. 166 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:24,207 {\an8}I did this thing that was called Sam and Friends. 167 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:26,668 It was late at night. It was on at 11:30, 168 00:10:27,168 --> 00:10:29,587 which was a strange kind of time for a puppet show. 169 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:31,506 - [audience laughing] - But, uh-- 170 00:10:31,506 --> 00:10:33,049 But, at the time, 171 00:10:33,049 --> 00:10:36,302 we never thought of ourselves as being particularly for children. 172 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:40,432 {\an8}Going now to two of the best people in the world, I think. 173 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:43,518 They're Jim and Jane Henson. And they have two friends. 174 00:10:43,518 --> 00:10:44,436 They call 'em Muppets 175 00:10:44,436 --> 00:10:46,896 because they're neither puppets or marionettes, but kind of a combination. 176 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:47,897 They invented them. 177 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:50,066 Here we go to Washington and Jim and Jane Henson. 178 00:10:55,405 --> 00:10:58,616 ♪ Yes! We have no bananas ♪ 179 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:02,495 ♪ We have no bananas today ♪ 180 00:11:03,163 --> 00:11:06,416 [Jane] It almost always started with some kind of a musical piece, 181 00:11:06,416 --> 00:11:08,251 and do his visual interpretations. 182 00:11:08,251 --> 00:11:11,755 Jim would pick a record, and he would build puppets to go with it. 183 00:11:11,755 --> 00:11:13,173 And I would help perform. 184 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:14,382 ♪ ...old-fashioned tomato ♪ 185 00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:18,303 [Juhl] Sometimes it was a sort of sophomoric, uh, record pantomimes. 186 00:11:18,303 --> 00:11:21,097 Other times, it was completely zany sketch comedies. 187 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:22,349 The truth is out! 188 00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:24,184 [Juhl] And it attracted this huge following 189 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:26,644 in Washington D.C., of all places, 190 00:11:26,644 --> 00:11:28,938 where everybody watched the news. 191 00:11:31,358 --> 00:11:34,444 [Jane] Everything was live. Nothing was taped. 192 00:11:34,444 --> 00:11:37,197 Whatever you did, went out over the air as you did it. 193 00:11:38,073 --> 00:11:41,534 And our style of puppetry, we didn't even try to be sophisticated. 194 00:11:41,534 --> 00:11:45,955 Television was very new, and really, Jim went to play. 195 00:11:45,955 --> 00:11:47,040 [record scratches] 196 00:11:48,124 --> 00:11:51,044 [Oz] There's so many things that Jim did at that time to explore puppetry. 197 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,546 ♪ Old black magic has me in its spell ♪ 198 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:57,926 ♪ Old black magic that you weave so well ♪ 199 00:11:57,926 --> 00:12:01,179 What Jim did is he took the first proscenium away, 200 00:12:01,179 --> 00:12:03,431 and made the TV set the stage. 201 00:12:03,431 --> 00:12:05,767 ♪ Like a leaf caught in a tide ♪ 202 00:12:06,768 --> 00:12:10,438 ♪ I should stay away But what can I do? ♪ 203 00:12:10,438 --> 00:12:13,900 Not only that, but he worked with the close-up. 204 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:18,071 Most shows at that time didn't have close-ups of puppets. 205 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:25,120 ♪ The old black magic called love ♪ 206 00:12:27,414 --> 00:12:28,498 [music ends] 207 00:12:28,498 --> 00:12:30,208 [applause] 208 00:12:30,208 --> 00:12:31,793 [presenter] Oh, that's marvelous. 209 00:12:33,962 --> 00:12:37,132 Jim and Jane, I'm-- I'm glad that you run the lady's part. 210 00:12:37,132 --> 00:12:38,591 - Oh. - [chuckles] 211 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:40,343 - [Jane] This is Kermit. - It's Kermit. 212 00:12:40,343 --> 00:12:43,763 And this is Sam. Some of our characters change sex very easily... 213 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,932 - [Jane chuckles] - ...with the addition of a wig. 214 00:12:46,516 --> 00:12:48,351 [presenter] Kermit-- Uh, yeah, I see. Okay. 215 00:12:53,523 --> 00:12:57,610 {\an8}[Brian] To start with, my dad just had sort of a-- a troupe of puppets that-- 216 00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:58,778 that he had designed. 217 00:12:58,778 --> 00:13:01,031 And they were very different from each other. 218 00:13:01,698 --> 00:13:03,533 And Kermit was just one of them. 219 00:13:03,533 --> 00:13:04,617 [harmonizing] 220 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:06,202 ♪ So deep in my heart ♪ 221 00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:10,790 Dad was still trying to, like, find what he felt was the right look 222 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,375 for-- for puppets for him. 223 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:21,593 In the very early experimentation, Kermit was right there. 224 00:13:24,262 --> 00:13:25,972 Kermit wasn't a frog then. 225 00:13:25,972 --> 00:13:27,474 Keep your shirt on, King. 226 00:13:27,474 --> 00:13:29,434 [narrator] Said the little green guy. 227 00:13:29,434 --> 00:13:31,936 [Lisa] Initially, it was just one of the troupe. 228 00:13:31,936 --> 00:13:35,523 My mother puppeteered it sometimes. [chuckles] 229 00:13:35,523 --> 00:13:37,442 Kermit wore a wig at times. 230 00:13:37,442 --> 00:13:41,863 ♪ I've grown accustomed to your face ♪ 231 00:13:41,863 --> 00:13:44,199 [audience laughs] 232 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:48,286 ♪ You almost make the day begin ♪ 233 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:50,997 [host] Where were you first born, Kermit? 234 00:13:50,997 --> 00:13:55,335 The first-- The first me actually came from, uh-- I was a, uh-- 235 00:13:56,002 --> 00:13:58,505 I was a coat that belonged to, uh, Henson's mother there. 236 00:13:58,505 --> 00:14:00,840 - Actually was. Yeah. - [host] That's how you began? 237 00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:05,470 [Jim] It was my mother's coat and a Ping-Pong ball, you know, 238 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:07,555 which I cut in half to make the eyes. 239 00:14:13,937 --> 00:14:16,398 [Lisa] He was sort of sitting vigil 240 00:14:16,398 --> 00:14:18,608 {\an8}with his grandfather, who was very, very ill. 241 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,948 The story is he used Kermit to entertain his grandfather as he was dying. 242 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:31,579 My mom thought there was a little bit of a spiritual connection to the puppet. 243 00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:35,625 It was a way of bringing lightness and bringing humor. 244 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,673 My dad always felt like humor was an antidote, that it was a saving grace. 245 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:45,468 [Brian] Kermit was one of the more generic of the puppets, 246 00:14:45,468 --> 00:14:47,637 but it fit his hand really well. 247 00:14:47,637 --> 00:14:49,931 He could puppeteer really well through it. 248 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:51,349 [no audible dialogue] 249 00:14:51,349 --> 00:14:54,310 He was learning that a really simple puppet, like Kermit, 250 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:58,606 could be very expressive just by using the fabric and letting it distort, 251 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:01,568 but controlling the distortion so that they become expressions. 252 00:15:01,568 --> 00:15:04,529 - Give me a dozen eggs. - How about a loaf of Claussen's bread? 253 00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:05,739 Nah, just give me the eggs. 254 00:15:05,739 --> 00:15:06,906 Give him the eggs! 255 00:15:07,532 --> 00:15:09,117 He'll learn to buy Claussen's. 256 00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:15,415 The fact that the puppet is so simple, and it really almost exposes the hand, 257 00:15:15,415 --> 00:15:17,667 makes it very close to him. 258 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:24,341 And, over time, he really imbued that character with more of himself. 259 00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:27,844 [Jim] Kermit is-- is more outgoing than I am, certainly. 260 00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:31,264 I am more laid back. I-- I don't do outrageous. 261 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,808 I-- I do his outrageous things. That's true. 262 00:15:34,309 --> 00:15:35,560 [shouts] 263 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,937 [screaming] 264 00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:40,190 [eggshell cracks] 265 00:15:40,982 --> 00:15:43,568 I guess it's close to an alter ego of some sort. 266 00:15:44,152 --> 00:15:45,653 How's that for happily ever after? 267 00:15:45,653 --> 00:15:46,738 - Yeesh. - [laughter] 268 00:15:46,738 --> 00:15:47,822 [water splashes] 269 00:15:49,532 --> 00:15:51,326 Oh, Harry, we're blocking some people's view. 270 00:15:51,326 --> 00:15:53,703 Oh, excuse me. I sure don't want to keep anybody from seeing 271 00:15:53,703 --> 00:15:55,955 this gorgeous Esskay bacon package. 272 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:57,957 It's a very tasty package. 273 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,377 [Jane] Jim was doing Sam and Friends daily shows. 274 00:16:01,044 --> 00:16:03,755 Even though it was fun, he was very confined. 275 00:16:06,341 --> 00:16:10,095 [Cheryl] He was particularly sensitive to being boxed in. 276 00:16:11,096 --> 00:16:12,681 [Lisa] He wanted to be an artist. 277 00:16:12,681 --> 00:16:14,182 He was interested in filmmaking. 278 00:16:14,182 --> 00:16:17,435 He was interested in television, not strictly puppetry. 279 00:16:18,561 --> 00:16:21,731 He was figuring out what he wanted to do next in his life. 280 00:16:22,857 --> 00:16:25,443 [Jim] I was going through those sort of early times in one's life. 281 00:16:25,443 --> 00:16:27,028 I was breaking up with a girl. 282 00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:29,864 [Jane] We were kind of dating other people and everything. 283 00:16:29,864 --> 00:16:32,283 We had life going on during Sam and Friends. 284 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:37,414 [Brian] Well, he clearly had a moment of self-doubt. 285 00:16:39,416 --> 00:16:41,209 Here's a track. I could stay on this track, 286 00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:42,961 but is this the track I want? 287 00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:46,464 [Jim] So I decided to go away and paint. 288 00:16:47,382 --> 00:16:48,383 Then I went to Europe. 289 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:00,353 {\an8}[horn honks] 290 00:17:06,818 --> 00:17:07,944 [shutter clicks] 291 00:17:07,944 --> 00:17:09,320 [Jim] I wandered around. 292 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,655 [chattering] 293 00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:12,866 Then I met a lot of other puppeteers. 294 00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:18,955 [Cheryl] He could see that puppetry was taken more seriously in Europe. 295 00:17:20,081 --> 00:17:23,543 I mean, they got funded. They had companies. They had theaters. 296 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:30,425 [Oz] He started to believe that puppetry was an art form, 297 00:17:30,425 --> 00:17:33,595 and could express things that humans couldn't express. 298 00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:36,264 [Jim] In the course of that little trip, 299 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:38,850 I found that people were doing interesting things, 300 00:17:38,850 --> 00:17:42,979 and it was something that, uh, you could get into and develop 301 00:17:42,979 --> 00:17:45,440 and-- and turn into something else. 302 00:17:46,024 --> 00:17:47,525 That's what you did, all right. 303 00:17:53,823 --> 00:17:55,909 [Jim] I came back from that trip all fired up. 304 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,662 [Jane] He really had it in his mind. "This is what we're gonna do." 305 00:17:59,662 --> 00:18:02,499 We're gonna do this with the puppets, and then we're gonna get married. 306 00:18:04,834 --> 00:18:07,212 Falling in love is a kind of a funny way of putting it 307 00:18:07,212 --> 00:18:09,381 because, I don't know, we were just with each other, 308 00:18:09,381 --> 00:18:11,508 and we were very fond of being with each other. 309 00:18:13,593 --> 00:18:17,430 He and my mom founded a company called Muppets, Inc. 310 00:18:20,684 --> 00:18:24,229 [Jane] But as soon as it was incorporated, that's when we settled on the 60-40, 311 00:18:24,229 --> 00:18:26,398 which it kind of always was from then on. 312 00:18:27,816 --> 00:18:31,069 It was around October or so that we decided to get married. 313 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:32,987 [applause] 314 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:36,157 But I don't know at that time we knew what the future would be. 315 00:18:41,913 --> 00:18:45,083 {\an8}[Lisa] My mom sometimes said that they got married too young. 316 00:18:45,959 --> 00:18:51,131 She was aware that he was maybe too young to settle down for the rest of his life, 317 00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:52,382 having gotten married at 23. 318 00:18:52,382 --> 00:18:54,592 Now, that was probably not too young for her though. 319 00:18:55,343 --> 00:18:57,595 [Jane] Right about that time, we got that local Emmy. 320 00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:03,685 I do remember Jim getting it from Richard Nixon, 321 00:19:03,685 --> 00:19:05,729 and you have to stand there having your picture taken. 322 00:19:05,729 --> 00:19:07,313 You have to say something, right? 323 00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:11,067 But I do remember Jim came up and he said, "Nixon said to me, 324 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:13,820 'I knew a man in the navy with a beard.'" [chuckles] 325 00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:19,075 [Brian] At that time, he was holding it all together with my mother. 326 00:19:19,075 --> 00:19:21,536 [chuckling] Just the two of them figuring it all out. 327 00:19:23,121 --> 00:19:25,582 [Jane] Then we had a baby in May of '60. 328 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:31,463 And then in August '61, we went to Puppeteers of America Festival. 329 00:19:34,841 --> 00:19:37,427 Jim was anxious to know other puppeteers, 330 00:19:37,427 --> 00:19:39,512 and also to look for somebody to work with him. 331 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:43,600 He really was in search of putting together a team. 332 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,685 [audience laughing] 333 00:19:46,478 --> 00:19:48,897 Jim started asking around for someone. 334 00:19:48,897 --> 00:19:50,273 And everybody was saying, 335 00:19:50,273 --> 00:19:53,151 "You really should see a very young man named Frank Oznowicz." 336 00:19:54,736 --> 00:19:57,781 {\an8}[Oz] I was 17. I hadn't finished high school when Jim saw me. 337 00:19:57,781 --> 00:20:01,034 {\an8}I had worked for four or five years doing puppet shows all around the Bay area. 338 00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:03,453 I think Jim could sense that feeling and timing 339 00:20:03,453 --> 00:20:06,539 I learned through all those years of doing all those shows. 340 00:20:06,539 --> 00:20:09,417 And I could hold an audience. I think that was the key thing. 341 00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:13,713 [Lisa] Frank Oz was, initially, 342 00:20:13,713 --> 00:20:18,134 a very mischievous son of a very serious puppeteer. 343 00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:22,097 {\an8}[Oz] My dad and mom escaped from Antwerp, Belgium 344 00:20:22,097 --> 00:20:23,848 {\an8}at the beginning of the war. 345 00:20:23,848 --> 00:20:27,102 {\an8}My father was a window dresser and a sign painter. 346 00:20:27,102 --> 00:20:31,272 And, to the degree that I know, he carved puppets out of wood. 347 00:20:32,023 --> 00:20:35,443 Then when he met my mom, she made the characters' clothes. 348 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,407 {\an8}They really took the art of puppetry so seriously 349 00:20:40,407 --> 00:20:43,493 {\an8}that Frank could never take the art of puppetry seriously. 350 00:20:46,705 --> 00:20:48,665 Frank and I met Jim 351 00:20:48,665 --> 00:20:50,166 {\an8}at exactly the same time. 352 00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:52,168 {\an8}In fact, Frank and I were doing a show together. 353 00:20:52,168 --> 00:20:55,380 [Oz] Jerry was asked by Jim to join him. 354 00:20:56,297 --> 00:20:59,592 I probably never would have had the job except that Frank was too young... 355 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:01,845 [chuckles] ...to-- to leave home. 356 00:21:01,845 --> 00:21:04,514 {\an8}[Jane] Jerry Juhl came in '61. 357 00:21:04,514 --> 00:21:07,017 {\an8}I was pregnant with Cheryl, and Jim felt 358 00:21:07,017 --> 00:21:09,477 {\an8}that I was no longer dependable. [chuckles] 359 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:12,897 {\an8}[Juhl] Shortly thereafter, Don Sahlin joined the team 360 00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:16,234 and became the genius builder of the Muppets. 361 00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:20,447 He was this quiet, very funny, obsessed man. 362 00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:25,952 {\an8}[Oz] I completed high school, and that's when he asked me to come on. 363 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:29,039 {\an8}[Juhl] That was the core group for quite a while. 364 00:21:31,541 --> 00:21:37,172 I arrived at 53rd and Second Avenue, and there were two rooms. 365 00:21:37,922 --> 00:21:40,759 One room was a little cubicle for a secretary, 366 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:43,094 and then there was a workshop for Don Sahlin. 367 00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:45,555 And he had the gerbils running around. 368 00:21:46,514 --> 00:21:49,809 [Juhl] Don took a basketball one day and cut it in half. 369 00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:53,813 And that became the basis of Rowlf's head. 370 00:21:55,982 --> 00:21:58,401 [Jane] And, of course, Rowlf became the big star. 371 00:21:58,401 --> 00:21:59,778 - Howdy. - Was that him? 372 00:21:59,778 --> 00:22:00,904 - Yep. - Howdy. 373 00:22:00,904 --> 00:22:02,405 - Is that all he says? - He's a star. 374 00:22:02,405 --> 00:22:04,449 - Any more and we have to pay him. - Howdy. 375 00:22:06,034 --> 00:22:09,871 {\an8}[Jane] Immediately, Jim and Frank started performing together. 376 00:22:10,497 --> 00:22:15,001 {\an8}And almost the first thing that Frank did was to play the extra hand of Rowlf. 377 00:22:15,627 --> 00:22:18,546 He then had a weekly spot on Jimmy Dean's show. 378 00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:20,298 {\an8}- You're on the other side. - I'm on the other side. 379 00:22:20,298 --> 00:22:21,716 {\an8}- Now, Rowlf-- - I got water in my ear. 380 00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:24,386 {\an8}[audience laughs] 381 00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:26,471 {\an8}- Okay. Now I'm running again. - All right. Now you're running. 382 00:22:26,471 --> 00:22:28,056 {\an8}- Now you're going faster and faster. - Faster. 383 00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:29,641 - Lickety-split. - I'm lickety-split. 384 00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:31,601 - [grunts] - What's the matter? 385 00:22:31,601 --> 00:22:34,354 - I think I just split my lickety. - [audience laughs, applauds] 386 00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:37,691 [Oz] My part was basically an apprentice. 387 00:22:37,691 --> 00:22:40,026 I didn't do anything, you know, except the right hand. 388 00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:42,487 - All right, Jimbone. - [laughs] 389 00:22:42,487 --> 00:22:48,243 [Jane] Frank always had such a emotionally loaded relationship with puppets. 390 00:22:49,327 --> 00:22:53,039 Jim could relate to that a lot, too, 'cause he didn't intend to be a puppeteer. 391 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,500 And here was Frank, who didn't intend to be a puppeteer, 392 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,253 but Jim very quickly picked up on that. 393 00:22:58,253 --> 00:23:01,923 Frank also wanted to do things really, really good. 394 00:23:01,923 --> 00:23:03,925 And that was really their bond. 395 00:23:03,925 --> 00:23:08,013 ♪ That's right It's friendship, friendship ♪ 396 00:23:08,013 --> 00:23:10,265 ♪ Just a perfect blendship ♪ 397 00:23:11,016 --> 00:23:13,643 [Jane] You do it great, and I'll do it great. 398 00:23:13,643 --> 00:23:15,311 We'll do it great together. 399 00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:16,688 [vocalizes] 400 00:23:16,688 --> 00:23:18,940 - Woof, woof, woof. - [laughs] 401 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:23,903 [applause] 402 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,954 [Jim] This is what it looks like when we're doing a television show backstage. 403 00:23:32,954 --> 00:23:36,416 We stand up here. The four of us, we're working this one. 404 00:23:37,125 --> 00:23:40,670 We're watching a television set here while we're doing the show. 405 00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:43,298 We'll play back a little bit of the show so that you can see 406 00:23:43,298 --> 00:23:46,384 what it looked like from backstage while we were doing that last skit. 407 00:23:46,885 --> 00:23:51,931 "Okay. Now, once upon a time, there was a lovely girl named Cinderella." 408 00:23:51,931 --> 00:23:54,726 Cinderella, come here, you wretched girl. 409 00:23:54,726 --> 00:23:57,979 Oh, no. It's Gretel, and she's back from the moon. 410 00:23:57,979 --> 00:24:00,065 - [slide whistle plays] - [piano plays] 411 00:24:01,274 --> 00:24:02,942 I shall kiss you on the nose. 412 00:24:05,445 --> 00:24:07,238 [Rowlf] That's a magical transformation. 413 00:24:07,238 --> 00:24:08,323 Three bowls of porridge. 414 00:24:08,323 --> 00:24:13,119 [Jim] Using the television monitor, you can perform and see your performance 415 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,038 exactly as the audience does. 416 00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:18,041 And so, as we're performing, we're also editing. 417 00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:19,417 We're framing the shots. 418 00:24:21,002 --> 00:24:23,088 It's a magical transformation. 419 00:24:23,088 --> 00:24:27,342 [Oz] At the end of the day, what that monitor is, is life. 420 00:24:28,927 --> 00:24:32,097 {\an8}Purina Dog Chow will really make a hit with your dog. 421 00:24:32,097 --> 00:24:33,723 {\an8}Are you sure it'll make a hit? 422 00:24:34,307 --> 00:24:35,141 {\an8}Positive. 423 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:37,811 {\an8}[Oz] During that time, we were making a lot of commercials. 424 00:24:37,811 --> 00:24:42,774 But the amazing thing with Jim was, even though he had to do something 425 00:24:42,774 --> 00:24:44,776 that he didn't really want to do, 426 00:24:44,776 --> 00:24:48,154 he always made it fun for himself and for us. 427 00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:52,367 I'm gonna convince everybody to buy nothing but Claussen's bread. 428 00:24:52,367 --> 00:24:53,535 What's the club for? 429 00:24:54,452 --> 00:24:56,204 To get their attention. 430 00:24:57,205 --> 00:25:00,834 We had 6.5 seconds of audio in which to sell a product and tell a joke. 431 00:25:00,834 --> 00:25:03,545 {\an8}What do you mean Taystee bread is baked while you sleep? 432 00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:04,629 {\an8}I'm awake. 433 00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,507 {\an8}Like I said, Taystee is baked while you sleep. 434 00:25:08,425 --> 00:25:11,177 [Jim] In the old days, a lot of our stuff was very violent. 435 00:25:12,387 --> 00:25:16,766 It was before we even started talking about violence on television. 436 00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:19,519 Uh, or maybe they were talking about it, but I didn't hear it. 437 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:20,603 - Uh... - [laughter] 438 00:25:23,314 --> 00:25:24,149 {\an8}That's a lot of-- 439 00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:25,066 Well, I'm gonna go. 440 00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:27,485 What do you have against Jim Henson? 441 00:25:27,485 --> 00:25:28,486 Nothing. 442 00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:30,613 What do you have against me? 443 00:25:30,613 --> 00:25:31,740 Nothing. 444 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:33,658 What do you have against Wilson's Meats? 445 00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:35,243 Well, actually, I'm a vegetarian. 446 00:25:37,954 --> 00:25:39,122 [chattering] 447 00:25:39,122 --> 00:25:41,458 [Juhl] Doing commercials was a practical matter for Jim. 448 00:25:43,209 --> 00:25:46,671 It allowed him to build a-a small team of people 449 00:25:46,671 --> 00:25:49,466 that would be able to move on and do bigger things. 450 00:25:49,466 --> 00:25:50,884 [laughing] 451 00:25:50,884 --> 00:25:54,304 Jim created a big dollar bill like this that hung on the wall, 452 00:25:54,888 --> 00:25:59,476 and it was all made with coins and money, and that was the altar to money. 453 00:26:00,185 --> 00:26:02,937 It was an awareness that, damn it, 454 00:26:02,937 --> 00:26:06,149 we have to-- we've got to pay attention to that. [laughs] 455 00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:09,778 ♪ I want that green ammunition That's the stuff of which I'm wishing ♪ 456 00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:13,281 ♪ Fill my closets with deposits I'm a demon at addition ♪ 457 00:26:13,281 --> 00:26:16,743 ♪ Give me shekels, give me pesos Let me see their smiling face-ohs ♪ 458 00:26:16,743 --> 00:26:19,704 ♪ Give me money, money Money, money, money ♪ 459 00:26:19,704 --> 00:26:20,622 [cackles] 460 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:24,250 You could see how conflicted he was about advertising, 461 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:26,628 and just selling for the sake of selling. 462 00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:29,464 I want you to get out there and sell, sell, sell. 463 00:26:29,464 --> 00:26:30,924 {\an8}Merely spray it... 464 00:26:30,924 --> 00:26:33,093 Quick-cooked in dragon fire. 465 00:26:34,552 --> 00:26:36,971 What else do you do besides just puppets? 466 00:26:36,971 --> 00:26:39,557 Well, I've been into filmmaking for a while. 467 00:26:43,561 --> 00:26:46,690 Jim was an experimental filmmaker. That's what he really, really was. 468 00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:49,776 {\an8}[drums playing] 469 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,620 [Jane] Jim wasn't a musician himself, but he thought like a musician. 470 00:27:01,705 --> 00:27:05,417 He was just always rather intrigued with the idea of music 471 00:27:05,417 --> 00:27:08,003 and time being measured out in beats. 472 00:27:09,295 --> 00:27:10,296 Heartbeats. 473 00:27:11,381 --> 00:27:12,841 [Brian] Everything he did was experimental. 474 00:27:12,841 --> 00:27:15,135 And that's the way my dad approached everything. 475 00:27:16,052 --> 00:27:18,138 He was such an ambitious guy, 476 00:27:18,138 --> 00:27:20,724 {\an8}he'd do a little shoot for his home movies. 477 00:27:22,892 --> 00:27:24,978 [Lisa] He was doing stop-motion, 478 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,189 experimental television... 479 00:27:30,275 --> 00:27:32,152 {\an8}experimental film. 480 00:27:32,652 --> 00:27:34,112 - Moms. - [both] Dads. 481 00:27:34,112 --> 00:27:35,530 [all] Kids. 482 00:27:36,031 --> 00:27:37,949 {\an8}♪ Flapsole Sneakers hit the spot ♪ 483 00:27:39,826 --> 00:27:41,703 {\an8}[both] Vita-Juice. Let's have a shot. 484 00:27:41,703 --> 00:27:43,079 - [gunshot] - [glass shatters] 485 00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:46,958 [actors] Tippy Toys for a happy tot. 486 00:27:48,084 --> 00:27:50,253 [actor] Boo-boo Band-Aids help you clot. 487 00:27:53,548 --> 00:27:56,134 I have a short film that I made I called Time Piece. 488 00:27:56,134 --> 00:27:57,719 - [bell rings] - [film projector whirs] 489 00:27:59,929 --> 00:28:02,265 {\an8}It's just a study of contemporary man sort of thing. 490 00:28:02,265 --> 00:28:03,892 {\an8}You know, kind of a fun look at it. 491 00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:12,150 [heart beating] 492 00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:16,863 [shutter clicks] 493 00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:18,948 [ticking] 494 00:28:24,496 --> 00:28:27,999 So if you want to know my dad, watch Time Piece and then go from there. 495 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,836 [Jim] It's a film that's made of a lot of little short segments chopped together, 496 00:28:31,836 --> 00:28:34,756 and it's a way of editing that I was enjoying doing at the time. 497 00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:35,840 [bell dings] 498 00:28:37,217 --> 00:28:39,636 It's sort of, like, kind of train of thought editing. 499 00:28:39,636 --> 00:28:42,722 [drums playing] 500 00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:44,808 - [phone rings] - [register clicks, dings] 501 00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:46,643 Help. 502 00:28:47,352 --> 00:28:52,023 [Brian] The idea was mixing seemingly unrelated images in quick sequence 503 00:28:52,023 --> 00:28:54,567 in order to communicate one feeling, one thought. 504 00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:55,985 - [gasps] - [gunshot] 505 00:28:55,985 --> 00:28:56,903 [glass shatters] 506 00:28:58,697 --> 00:29:00,532 [Oz] We did that on weekends. 507 00:29:00,532 --> 00:29:02,158 We'd make commercials, 508 00:29:02,158 --> 00:29:04,244 and then we'd have enough money to shoot on the weekend. 509 00:29:04,244 --> 00:29:07,539 And that's how we shot Time Piece for a year with an old Rackover 35. 510 00:29:07,539 --> 00:29:08,498 [gulping] 511 00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:12,210 Help. 512 00:29:16,423 --> 00:29:19,134 [chiming] 513 00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:23,471 For my dad, time was ticking all the time. 514 00:29:24,472 --> 00:29:28,560 Because he wanted to do more than is humanly possible, 515 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,478 there was never gonna be enough time. 516 00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:31,646 Help. 517 00:29:32,772 --> 00:29:35,775 [flushes] 518 00:29:37,027 --> 00:29:39,696 [Brian] That idea that time could run out, 519 00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:42,615 I'm sure came with the death of his brother. 520 00:29:50,707 --> 00:29:54,377 {\an8}It was huge. It was huge. Losing his brother was huge to him. 521 00:29:55,754 --> 00:30:00,467 {\an8}[Brian] They were inseparable. Like, they were brothers and best friends. 522 00:30:01,009 --> 00:30:04,512 {\an8}And my father was, uh, two or three years younger than him. 523 00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:10,518 {\an8}He died in a car accident at the army base. 524 00:30:11,686 --> 00:30:12,771 {\an8}He was very young. 525 00:30:16,566 --> 00:30:19,569 It was a huge shock to the family. 526 00:30:21,488 --> 00:30:23,490 Absolutely shattered my dad's world. 527 00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,582 [Cheryl] The whole family had a really difficult time. 528 00:30:33,208 --> 00:30:35,251 He saw his mom get really depressed. 529 00:30:35,251 --> 00:30:37,671 He saw his mom, like, start to give up. 530 00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:40,799 And he wasn't gonna do that. 531 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,217 He was gonna keep going. 532 00:30:48,431 --> 00:30:51,434 ["I'm a Man" playing] 533 00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:03,071 [Oz] In the 1960s, Jim was excited to create work 534 00:31:03,071 --> 00:31:05,407 that reflected everything that was going on in the country. 535 00:31:08,993 --> 00:31:11,871 I think part of it is shocking, and I think part of it is very interesting. 536 00:31:13,206 --> 00:31:15,500 He did this show called Youth 68. 537 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,920 {\an8}I think it's finally getting down to the nitty-gritty of artistic expression. 538 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,631 {\an8}[Cheryl] It was very much about the generational divide. 539 00:31:21,631 --> 00:31:25,010 It was about the music. It was about the politics. It was about the protests. 540 00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:28,096 It was about what is happening in the world. 541 00:31:28,096 --> 00:31:30,223 - Well, I think it's garbage. - I love it. 542 00:31:30,223 --> 00:31:32,392 - I don't understand it. - I think it's wonderful. 543 00:31:32,392 --> 00:31:34,561 Yeah, sure. It's always more exciting. Then what? 544 00:31:34,561 --> 00:31:37,355 [music continues] 545 00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:39,024 [Jim] How can you do a program like this 546 00:31:39,024 --> 00:31:40,734 where you could take all these people's statements 547 00:31:40,734 --> 00:31:44,362 and you could re-- rearrange it, you could reedit the film 548 00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,865 so that, uh, one person comes out saying something 549 00:31:46,865 --> 00:31:48,992 they really never intended to say? 550 00:31:48,992 --> 00:31:51,327 This is no way to make a television program. 551 00:31:52,996 --> 00:31:54,539 Jim was not into drugs or anything, 552 00:31:54,539 --> 00:31:57,667 but he-- he loved the expression that was going on. 553 00:32:00,211 --> 00:32:05,300 You know, I've learned to walk around inside my own head. 554 00:32:06,092 --> 00:32:07,427 That may sound silly to you, 555 00:32:07,427 --> 00:32:11,014 but it's been very, very helpful to me. 556 00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:16,227 [Oz] Jim wanted to do more than just the Muppets. 557 00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:17,312 He wanted to experiment. 558 00:32:19,105 --> 00:32:23,026 One of the things he did during that time was called The Cube, 559 00:32:23,026 --> 00:32:26,529 which was about a man who was trapped in an alternate reality. 560 00:32:27,322 --> 00:32:29,741 {\an8}What is this place? What's it for? 561 00:32:29,741 --> 00:32:32,243 {\an8}We ask that question ourselves once in a while. 562 00:32:37,874 --> 00:32:43,129 [Oz] But what Jim was most excited about was creating a discotheque called Cyclia, 563 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:46,841 which would have, like, 24 projectors all over the ceiling 564 00:32:46,841 --> 00:32:49,594 with different angles of white. 565 00:32:49,594 --> 00:32:53,932 And then he would project all this 16 millimeter film 566 00:32:53,932 --> 00:32:55,308 while the music was going on. 567 00:32:56,017 --> 00:32:58,603 [Lisa] He didn't really care that it was gonna be a nightclub. 568 00:32:58,603 --> 00:33:01,690 It was all about what is technically possible. 569 00:33:03,149 --> 00:33:06,319 He was always excited about the next idea. 570 00:33:07,195 --> 00:33:09,489 [clock ticking] 571 00:33:09,489 --> 00:33:12,325 He wasn't sure that puppetry would be his thing. 572 00:33:14,035 --> 00:33:19,416 And, in some ways, he was starting to drift away from the family. 573 00:33:24,921 --> 00:33:27,590 But then he got this invitation. 574 00:33:28,925 --> 00:33:30,385 [no audible dialogue] 575 00:33:30,385 --> 00:33:32,804 [Stone] Children were watching a tremendous amount of television. 576 00:33:32,804 --> 00:33:34,055 Forty, 50 hours a week. 577 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:36,349 Some of it bad television. 578 00:33:37,267 --> 00:33:39,227 Joan Cooney had the notion that 579 00:33:39,227 --> 00:33:41,104 if you're going to watch that much television, 580 00:33:41,104 --> 00:33:44,149 {\an8}why don't we find out what it is they like to watch on television? 581 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:48,445 Then go out and find out what preschool children ought to know, 582 00:33:48,445 --> 00:33:49,988 and put those two things together. 583 00:33:49,988 --> 00:33:51,156 [chattering] 584 00:33:51,156 --> 00:33:56,036 So Joan found seasoned television professionals and said, 585 00:33:56,036 --> 00:33:59,122 "Do your thing and we're gonna teach you how to be educators." 586 00:34:01,583 --> 00:34:05,587 Joan had seen Jim's work and knew how valuable he would be to the program. 587 00:34:05,587 --> 00:34:08,048 I knew Jim very well, and I had worked with him. 588 00:34:08,048 --> 00:34:10,467 So I could call him up and say, "Come on over and talk to us." 589 00:34:11,843 --> 00:34:14,429 [Oz] But Jim wasn't sure he wanted to do that. 590 00:34:16,056 --> 00:34:18,558 And we weren't into children's shows. We never did children's stuff. 591 00:34:18,558 --> 00:34:22,437 But there's also a part of him that sensed the value of the show. 592 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:28,777 Because he always sensed that television could do more. 593 00:34:30,278 --> 00:34:33,990 [Stone] Jim latched on to the idea that we could create a television show 594 00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:37,702 that would really do some good for a very specific audience 595 00:34:37,702 --> 00:34:39,788 that needed good done for it. 596 00:34:41,164 --> 00:34:44,042 [Jim] I think that television is such a huge influence on children. 597 00:34:44,042 --> 00:34:47,295 I think it's the next most important influence to the family, 598 00:34:47,295 --> 00:34:49,005 or the church or the school. 599 00:34:49,005 --> 00:34:50,048 [no audible dialogue] 600 00:34:50,048 --> 00:34:54,052 As an industry, we don't generally face up to that responsibility, 601 00:34:54,052 --> 00:34:57,931 and I think we need to be a great deal more responsible 602 00:34:57,931 --> 00:34:59,224 to what we put on the medium. 603 00:35:00,058 --> 00:35:03,853 [Lisa] He had four kids, all kind of Sesame Street age at home, 604 00:35:04,437 --> 00:35:05,730 and another on the way. 605 00:35:06,481 --> 00:35:08,024 {\an8}My younger brother John 606 00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:12,278 {\an8}had learning difficulties and was not speaking yet. 607 00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:20,203 So the whole idea of "How do kids learn?" was really personal to him. 608 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:24,290 [door creaks] 609 00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:28,795 But he didn't think that educating children was anything he was good at. 610 00:35:30,296 --> 00:35:31,297 [door creaks] 611 00:35:31,297 --> 00:35:32,966 - Can you sing the alphabet, Joey? - Yes. 612 00:35:32,966 --> 00:35:37,053 ♪ A, B, C, D, E, F, G ♪ 613 00:35:37,053 --> 00:35:41,433 ♪ H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P ♪ 614 00:35:41,433 --> 00:35:43,643 - ♪ Q, R, S ♪ - ♪ Q, R, Cookie Monster ♪ 615 00:35:43,643 --> 00:35:45,729 [giggles] 616 00:35:48,356 --> 00:35:51,526 Cookie Monster isn't a letter of the alphabet. It goes... 617 00:35:51,526 --> 00:35:54,946 - ♪ Q, R, S, T, U, V ♪ - ♪ R, S, T, U, Cookie Monster ♪ 618 00:35:54,946 --> 00:35:57,157 [giggles] 619 00:35:57,157 --> 00:35:59,159 [scoffs] You're-- You're just teasing me. 620 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:02,454 ♪ W, X, Y and Z ♪ 621 00:36:02,454 --> 00:36:05,790 - ♪ Now I know my A, B, Cs ♪ - ♪ Now I sung my A, Cs ♪ 622 00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:08,126 - ♪ Won't you-- ♪ - ♪ Next time Cookie Monster ♪ 623 00:36:08,126 --> 00:36:10,420 Next time Cookie Monster can do it with you. 624 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:11,671 I'm leaving. Whoo! 625 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:13,715 I love you. 626 00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:16,926 - I love you too. - Thanks. 627 00:36:19,554 --> 00:36:21,723 [Jim] Sesame Street is one of those interesting things 628 00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,976 where the time was right for that particular idea. 629 00:36:24,976 --> 00:36:27,812 {\an8}Here's one half of my chicken salad sandwich. 630 00:36:27,812 --> 00:36:30,148 {\an8}Where's the other half? It's gone. 631 00:36:30,148 --> 00:36:33,193 {\an8}Egad, the hunt's afoot. Show me the clues. 632 00:36:34,319 --> 00:36:37,697 [Brian] I think Sesame Street was almost the most unlikely thing, 633 00:36:37,697 --> 00:36:39,657 probably, in terms of his life plan. 634 00:36:41,868 --> 00:36:45,205 [Cheryl] The fact that he did Sesame Street instead of a series of nightclubs, 635 00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:49,876 {\an8}yay. Like I-- [chuckles] I think everybody was like, "Phew!" 636 00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:58,635 {\an8}♪ One, two, three, four, five, six, seven Eight, nine, ten, 11, 12 ♪ 637 00:36:59,386 --> 00:37:04,015 One of the ways they lured him into doing the show was to say, 638 00:37:04,015 --> 00:37:05,934 "You can do a lot of experimental films." 639 00:37:05,934 --> 00:37:08,269 ♪ Seven, eight, nine, ten, 11, 12 ♪ 640 00:37:09,479 --> 00:37:11,231 [Lisa] He did one set of number films 641 00:37:11,231 --> 00:37:14,484 that has the syncopated animation of Time Piece. 642 00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:16,277 [actors] Two. 643 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:22,117 [Lisa] And then ten other films, which was the most exciting to him of all, 644 00:37:22,117 --> 00:37:23,368 where he could do whatever he wanted. 645 00:37:23,368 --> 00:37:26,955 {\an8}[fanfare playing] 646 00:37:26,955 --> 00:37:29,416 ♪ I'm the King of Eight, And I'm here to state ♪ 647 00:37:29,416 --> 00:37:31,584 ♪ That everything here Has to total eight ♪ 648 00:37:31,584 --> 00:37:33,545 ♪ The guards, for instance, by the gate, ♪ 649 00:37:33,545 --> 00:37:35,714 ♪ Must always number exactly eight ♪ 650 00:37:35,714 --> 00:37:39,968 [actors] One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. 651 00:37:42,554 --> 00:37:45,557 [Lisa] They weren't coming at it from how to teach preschoolers. 652 00:37:45,557 --> 00:37:49,686 {\an8}Like, they were all about doing the coolest, funniest, fun show. 653 00:37:49,686 --> 00:37:52,022 One wedding cake. 654 00:37:52,022 --> 00:37:53,106 [exclaims] 655 00:37:55,316 --> 00:38:01,906 [children] ♪ And that's our song of one ♪ 656 00:38:03,074 --> 00:38:06,661 [Stone] In the summer of '69, we did some test shows. 657 00:38:06,661 --> 00:38:09,539 And the original concept was the street would be real, 658 00:38:09,539 --> 00:38:11,249 and everything else would be fantasy. 659 00:38:13,209 --> 00:38:15,462 {\an8}The result was the street was deadly dull. 660 00:38:16,629 --> 00:38:20,383 So we realized we had to populate the street with some interesting puppets. 661 00:38:23,386 --> 00:38:24,512 [pencil scraping] 662 00:38:24,512 --> 00:38:28,600 [Jim] I had in mind that we would do this large, silly character 663 00:38:30,185 --> 00:38:31,936 who would represent the child. 664 00:38:34,939 --> 00:38:36,441 Oh, good morning. 665 00:38:39,361 --> 00:38:42,280 [Stone] It's possibly the world's most magnificent puppet. 666 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,198 [yawns] 667 00:38:43,198 --> 00:38:45,033 [snoring] 668 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:49,537 He's also a very highly technical puppet, which a lot of people don't realize. 669 00:38:50,372 --> 00:38:52,290 And it was Jim's design, top to bottom. 670 00:38:53,625 --> 00:38:56,336 [Jim] Caroll Spinney was one of the few that had not worked with us before. 671 00:38:56,336 --> 00:39:00,674 I met him at a puppet festival and I described this very large, yellow bird. 672 00:39:00,674 --> 00:39:02,759 [chattering] 673 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,389 I'm sure he'd had no idea what he was in for. 674 00:39:07,931 --> 00:39:08,932 [crew] Caroll. 675 00:39:10,392 --> 00:39:11,476 There we are. 676 00:39:12,018 --> 00:39:14,437 Ah... [speaks German] 677 00:39:15,522 --> 00:39:19,192 Jim offered it to Frank Oz but he'd already done the La Choy Dragon. 678 00:39:19,192 --> 00:39:21,319 He says, "You're not getting me into one of those things again." 679 00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:24,698 And so Jim said, "Whatever you want to develop, it's all yours." 680 00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:27,826 [Oz] And then he asked Caroll to do Oscar also. 681 00:39:28,827 --> 00:39:31,287 Ta-da! Hey, that was rotten. 682 00:39:31,871 --> 00:39:35,875 [Heather] I think that having both Oscar and Big Bird on the street 683 00:39:36,584 --> 00:39:38,420 sort of brought the street to life. 684 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:40,005 [crew] Here we go. Rolling sound. 685 00:39:40,005 --> 00:39:42,507 [laughing, chattering] 686 00:39:43,216 --> 00:39:44,384 Yay! 687 00:39:44,968 --> 00:39:47,053 [Stone] The puppets, from the very beginning, 688 00:39:47,053 --> 00:39:49,931 were an integral part of our whole concept of the show. 689 00:39:49,931 --> 00:39:51,266 [no audible dialogue] 690 00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:53,601 There would be no Sesame Street without the Muppets. 691 00:39:53,601 --> 00:39:55,395 What's the big one, Big Bird? 692 00:39:55,395 --> 00:39:56,479 Oh, what's the big one? 693 00:39:56,479 --> 00:39:59,858 Oh, that's a picture of me when I was little. 694 00:40:00,608 --> 00:40:03,486 Wasn't I cute? [chuckles] 695 00:40:03,486 --> 00:40:06,489 Characters have come about from many different ways. 696 00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:10,410 Some of the characters were puppets that we had before Sesame Street, 697 00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:13,204 and they took on a personality. 698 00:40:13,204 --> 00:40:15,498 Uh, Cookie Monster certainly was that. 699 00:40:15,498 --> 00:40:17,167 I will count them. 700 00:40:17,167 --> 00:40:18,626 - No, me eat them. - Count. 701 00:40:18,626 --> 00:40:21,046 - Eat. Eat, eat, eat. - No, count. Count, count. 702 00:40:21,046 --> 00:40:22,213 - Wait. - What? 703 00:40:22,213 --> 00:40:25,884 - Why don't we cooperate? - Ah! 704 00:40:25,884 --> 00:40:28,887 [Oz] The Count was invented for Jerry Nelson. 705 00:40:29,763 --> 00:40:31,931 Grover was closest to my heart. 706 00:40:31,931 --> 00:40:33,183 Oh, they're coming! 707 00:40:33,183 --> 00:40:37,103 - Which way? Which way? Which way? - That way. [giggles] That way. 708 00:40:37,103 --> 00:40:40,065 [Oz] Guy Smiley was invented on the show and he was brilliant. 709 00:40:40,065 --> 00:40:42,984 Jim was absolutely brilliant with him. God, he was so funny. 710 00:40:42,984 --> 00:40:44,736 Wonderful. I'm Guy Smiley. 711 00:40:44,736 --> 00:40:48,907 They call me Guy Smiley because I changed my name from Bernie Liederkranz. 712 00:40:48,907 --> 00:40:51,493 - [audience cheering] - Yes, thank you. Yes. 713 00:40:51,493 --> 00:40:55,580 Some of his absolute best performances took place on Sesame Street 714 00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:58,333 because he didn't have to be watching the budget. 715 00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:00,418 He didn't have to be producing. 716 00:41:00,418 --> 00:41:02,712 He was just there to perform. 717 00:41:05,131 --> 00:41:06,800 - [crew] Quiet, please. - [coughs] 718 00:41:08,093 --> 00:41:10,428 [Jim] Performing the Ernie and Bert pieces with Frank 719 00:41:10,428 --> 00:41:13,807 has always been one of the great joys of-- of doing this show. 720 00:41:13,807 --> 00:41:14,891 [director] Action. 721 00:41:15,684 --> 00:41:18,103 - [Bert] Good night, Ern. [groans] - Good night, Bert. 722 00:41:18,103 --> 00:41:19,813 - Bert? - [Bert] What? 723 00:41:19,813 --> 00:41:22,065 Oh no, I'm not saying this to you. I'm sorry, this is to me. 724 00:41:22,065 --> 00:41:24,067 - [Bert] Oh, I didn't hear that. - Hmm. 725 00:41:24,067 --> 00:41:26,361 This is where I could use that close-up, Jimmy. If you wanted to. 726 00:41:26,361 --> 00:41:27,987 - [Bert] Oh, you want a close-up now. - Oh. 727 00:41:27,987 --> 00:41:31,074 I remember in the very beginning, we-- we first built these characters, 728 00:41:31,074 --> 00:41:33,368 and then we were trying to decide who should do which. 729 00:41:33,368 --> 00:41:36,955 And I remember trying Bert, and Frank tried Ernie for a while. 730 00:41:36,955 --> 00:41:40,291 [Oz] We were in front of the mirror and he was Bert and I was Ernie, 731 00:41:40,291 --> 00:41:41,501 and that wasn't working. 732 00:41:43,461 --> 00:41:45,380 I mean, Jim didn't even have to make the decision. 733 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:49,718 It was obvious that Ernie was more of Jim because Jim was very playful. 734 00:41:49,718 --> 00:41:51,428 Wubba, wubba, Bert. 735 00:41:51,428 --> 00:41:52,762 - You're it, Bert. - No, I'm not. 736 00:41:52,762 --> 00:41:54,514 Yes, you are, Bert. Bert's it! 737 00:41:57,392 --> 00:41:58,476 Bert is it. 738 00:41:58,476 --> 00:42:01,563 And Bert was me because I was uptight and neurotic at that time. 739 00:42:01,563 --> 00:42:05,316 Ernie, I am not going to play this game. 740 00:42:05,316 --> 00:42:07,152 - Mmm. - Angry, right? 741 00:42:07,152 --> 00:42:08,903 Yes, I am angry! 742 00:42:08,903 --> 00:42:11,239 I knew it. Very good. That's one for Ernie. 743 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,742 [Jim] In the beginning, Frank didn't like Bert. 744 00:42:13,742 --> 00:42:16,953 In the beginning, Bert-- he-- he felt Bert was too dull. 745 00:42:16,953 --> 00:42:20,290 [Oz] And then I realized, okay, I'll make the negative a positive. 746 00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:23,918 And then I created the character who just want to be left alone and read. 747 00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:26,838 And that allowed for the comic impulses of Jim to interrupt me. 748 00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:31,843 Twenty-two. Oh, the red one. Twenty-three. [stammers] Twenty-four. 749 00:42:31,843 --> 00:42:37,599 - Bert. Bert, Bert. Cut, cut. Bert. - [laughing] 750 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,353 Jim is somebody if he's on the river, he will pull his paddles in, 751 00:42:42,062 --> 00:42:44,230 and he'll allow the river to take the boat. 752 00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:49,152 Me, I get in the boat and I go upstream. [chuckles] 753 00:42:49,152 --> 00:42:51,988 So, we're so different in that area. 754 00:42:51,988 --> 00:42:55,742 And one of the best things about comedy, from Abbott and Costello on, 755 00:42:55,742 --> 00:42:57,994 is that the characters are opposites. 756 00:42:57,994 --> 00:42:59,704 Pretend like you didn't hear any of that stuff. 757 00:42:59,704 --> 00:43:01,581 - That was just fine. - All that stuff you just heard, 758 00:43:01,581 --> 00:43:03,249 - you didn't hear that. - We were kidding around. 759 00:43:03,249 --> 00:43:05,293 [Jim] About half the time when Frank and I are working, 760 00:43:05,293 --> 00:43:07,045 we decide not to use the script. 761 00:43:07,045 --> 00:43:09,839 And so we're really working spontaneously, 762 00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:11,675 and just sort of playing off of each other. 763 00:43:11,675 --> 00:43:13,385 And it's a lot of fun. 764 00:43:13,385 --> 00:43:16,221 The opposite of stop is go, Bert. 765 00:43:16,221 --> 00:43:17,972 Go, Bert, go. 766 00:43:17,972 --> 00:43:18,973 Go, Bert! 767 00:43:18,973 --> 00:43:22,310 - Bert, Bert, the opposite of stop-- - [laughing] 768 00:43:25,146 --> 00:43:26,147 At first-- 769 00:43:26,147 --> 00:43:30,193 When I came, I was 19, and I think I used Jim as a father figure. 770 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:32,904 I was unfair to him. 771 00:43:32,904 --> 00:43:36,032 I was dependent and it took a while. 772 00:43:36,032 --> 00:43:38,201 And the more independent I became, 773 00:43:38,201 --> 00:43:40,286 the more we came closer. 774 00:43:40,912 --> 00:43:44,249 - Grover, is that you? - Mm-hmm. That's right, Froggy. It's me. 775 00:43:44,249 --> 00:43:45,792 [stammers] You're a salesman? 776 00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:48,628 Uh, you know, you got to do something to pay the cookie bill. 777 00:43:48,628 --> 00:43:50,964 [Oz] He was my boss. I worked for him. 778 00:43:50,964 --> 00:43:55,343 He paid me, but, I mean, he never acted like a boss. 779 00:43:55,343 --> 00:43:57,345 Why am I doing it and you're not? 780 00:43:57,345 --> 00:43:59,431 - Because I'm just doing the words now. - Okay. 781 00:43:59,431 --> 00:44:02,142 [Oz] So it really was a partnership. 782 00:44:04,227 --> 00:44:06,229 Eventually, it was like brothers. 783 00:44:06,229 --> 00:44:08,732 - That's-- that's-- - [growls] 784 00:44:08,732 --> 00:44:11,568 - Good. Good. That's good. That's good. - [growls] Yeah? 785 00:44:11,568 --> 00:44:12,485 [growls] Yeah? 786 00:44:12,485 --> 00:44:15,822 - [Oz] A little higher. To the left. - [chuckles] That's awful. 787 00:44:17,699 --> 00:44:18,950 [Jim] During the '70s, 788 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:22,287 I suppose, the whole country felt it was slightly in a depression. 789 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,749 Emotional type of depression. 790 00:44:28,335 --> 00:44:30,962 And when you were working for the preschool kids, 791 00:44:30,962 --> 00:44:32,380 you can't be depressed about that. 792 00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:34,382 I mean, you know, this is such a wonderful age, 793 00:44:34,382 --> 00:44:37,719 and it's this wonderful innocence that you're dealing with. 794 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,637 ["1-2-3 Sesame Street" playing] 795 00:44:39,637 --> 00:44:42,140 [vocalizing] 796 00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:46,603 {\an8}- ♪ One, two, three ♪ - ♪ Sesame Street ♪ 797 00:44:47,103 --> 00:44:49,272 {\an8}- ♪ A, B, C and... ♪ - ♪ Sesame Street ♪ 798 00:44:49,272 --> 00:44:52,484 {\an8}[Cheryl] The fact that Sesame Street was such a giant hit 799 00:44:52,484 --> 00:44:55,528 {\an8}was a big surprise to everybody. 800 00:44:55,528 --> 00:44:59,991 - ♪ One, two, three ♪ - ♪ Sesame, Sesame Street ♪ 801 00:44:59,991 --> 00:45:03,161 [Lisa] It was beloved immediately on every level. 802 00:45:03,995 --> 00:45:07,999 ♪ Sesame Street ♪ 803 00:45:07,999 --> 00:45:11,753 {\an8}♪ Sesame Street ♪ 804 00:45:11,753 --> 00:45:16,132 [Lisa] The success of Sesame Street meant he did have to expand at that point 805 00:45:16,132 --> 00:45:17,967 bringing new people into the company. 806 00:45:23,306 --> 00:45:24,808 [Brill] There was an ad in the paper saying 807 00:45:24,808 --> 00:45:29,896 that Jim Henson was looking to train puppeteers for a television show. 808 00:45:30,522 --> 00:45:33,817 I was an actress. I had just come to New York. 809 00:45:33,817 --> 00:45:37,153 {\an8}I met with Jim and Frank. 810 00:45:38,154 --> 00:45:42,534 The next thing was him asking me if I wanted to do Sesame Street. 811 00:45:42,534 --> 00:45:45,412 [no audible dialogue] 812 00:45:45,412 --> 00:45:49,708 Fran Brill was a friend of a friend, and she called and said, 813 00:45:49,708 --> 00:45:52,127 "Jim Henson is looking for a costume designer." 814 00:45:52,127 --> 00:45:55,547 I wasn't sure what to expect when I went in to meet Jim. 815 00:45:55,547 --> 00:45:59,759 There were all these people working using foam rubber and all kinds of materials. 816 00:45:59,759 --> 00:46:03,513 And I was fascinated, and that was the beginning of a whole new life. 817 00:46:05,056 --> 00:46:07,058 [Oz] He chose people really well. 818 00:46:07,058 --> 00:46:09,436 {\an8}People that had the same spirit. 819 00:46:09,436 --> 00:46:12,731 {\an8}This affectionate anarchy. That was the culture. 820 00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:15,984 [Goelz] I was working in Silicon Valley. 821 00:46:15,984 --> 00:46:20,405 One day, I'm sitting in my cubicle, phone rings and it's Jim Henson. 822 00:46:20,405 --> 00:46:21,948 Sounds like Ernie. 823 00:46:21,948 --> 00:46:24,034 [imitating Ernie] "Hi, Dave. This is Jim Henson." 824 00:46:24,659 --> 00:46:26,494 [normal voice] And I thought, "Oh, my God." 825 00:46:27,078 --> 00:46:31,291 [Frith] I was an editor and illustrator working with Dr. Seuss, 826 00:46:31,291 --> 00:46:33,543 but I was fascinated with Sesame Street. 827 00:46:33,543 --> 00:46:36,296 With the books, we could reach hundreds of thousands. 828 00:46:36,296 --> 00:46:38,590 But with television, we could reach millions. 829 00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:42,510 So, I said goodbye to Dr. Seuss and hello to the Muppets. 830 00:46:43,845 --> 00:46:47,307 It's probably the best group of people I ever could have walked into. 831 00:46:47,307 --> 00:46:51,811 It was Jim finding these people, putting them together, 832 00:46:51,811 --> 00:46:54,356 and trusting them to do what he thought they could do. 833 00:46:54,356 --> 00:46:55,440 It was amazing. 834 00:46:58,568 --> 00:47:00,320 [Jim] All right, guys. Here we go. 835 00:47:03,073 --> 00:47:05,992 [Cheryl] I don't think he really liked advertising, 836 00:47:05,992 --> 00:47:10,205 and Sesame Street gave him a really good reason to drop out of it. 837 00:47:10,205 --> 00:47:12,457 He didn't have to do it to make money anymore. 838 00:47:13,083 --> 00:47:14,167 Ribbit. Ribbit. 839 00:47:15,126 --> 00:47:18,380 [Brian] It was a very, very creative period for him 840 00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:21,883 the early year or two of Sesame Street. 841 00:47:21,883 --> 00:47:24,969 But then, definitely the box closed hard around him. 842 00:47:25,595 --> 00:47:28,723 [clock ticking] 843 00:47:30,934 --> 00:47:33,019 [Oz] After a year of Sesame Street, he felt, 844 00:47:33,019 --> 00:47:35,230 "Oh, my God. I-- I made a big mistake." 845 00:47:36,231 --> 00:47:39,901 [Brian] He was suddenly America's favorite preschool entertainer, 846 00:47:40,694 --> 00:47:42,445 and that didn't sit comfortably with him. 847 00:47:43,988 --> 00:47:46,991 He had all these ideas, and then when he became successful, 848 00:47:48,076 --> 00:47:49,077 now was the opportunity. 849 00:47:50,578 --> 00:47:53,164 [Brian] If he had wanted to do two more kids shows, 850 00:47:53,164 --> 00:47:54,582 it would have been no problem. 851 00:47:54,582 --> 00:47:56,251 He would have sold them in a second. 852 00:47:56,251 --> 00:47:57,335 But he didn't. 853 00:48:02,757 --> 00:48:04,634 [Juhl] He had plans for Broadway shows. 854 00:48:04,634 --> 00:48:08,388 He had plans for ballets. He had plans for amusement parks. 855 00:48:08,388 --> 00:48:10,306 Lots of things in lots of directions. 856 00:48:11,474 --> 00:48:13,059 [wind whistling] 857 00:48:17,397 --> 00:48:18,648 {\an8}[Heather] He had a great ambition, 858 00:48:18,648 --> 00:48:22,485 and he really wanted to contribute to the world in a huge way. 859 00:48:24,821 --> 00:48:25,989 One more time. 860 00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:30,118 I don't think Jim was ever afraid of anything creatively. 861 00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:36,332 [Lisa] He kept on trying stuff. 862 00:48:36,332 --> 00:48:39,169 He did Hey, Cinderella, The Frog Prince 863 00:48:39,169 --> 00:48:43,256 and, uh, one that hardly anybody's seen called the Musicians of Bremen. 864 00:48:43,256 --> 00:48:47,093 And those productions were where he would work out 865 00:48:47,093 --> 00:48:50,347 a lot of cool, new ideas in his mind, 866 00:48:50,347 --> 00:48:55,143 whether it was figuring out how to puppeteer the frogs in water, 867 00:48:55,143 --> 00:48:59,064 or how to build puppets with a different look and feel. 868 00:49:00,648 --> 00:49:03,485 He would work two days on a trot sometimes without sleeping. 869 00:49:03,485 --> 00:49:04,986 He would do that regularly. 870 00:49:05,779 --> 00:49:07,739 And that was normal for Jim. Normal. 871 00:49:08,531 --> 00:49:12,285 I think it was Jerry Juhl who said that Jim had a whim of steel. 872 00:49:12,869 --> 00:49:14,871 He was very thin, and he looked vulnerable, 873 00:49:15,497 --> 00:49:17,290 but he was the toughest one of the bunch. 874 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,502 He was the strongest man I've ever known, 875 00:49:21,252 --> 00:49:25,590 both with integrity, but also that skinny body. 876 00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:28,009 He would just work and work and work and work. 877 00:49:28,009 --> 00:49:29,511 ["A Song Without a Reason" playing] 878 00:49:29,511 --> 00:49:35,100 ♪ Well, you don't need rhyme or reason To sing a happy song ♪ 879 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,186 [vocalizing] 880 00:49:41,815 --> 00:49:44,067 ♪ This is a song without a reason ♪ 881 00:49:44,067 --> 00:49:45,735 [intercom buzzing] 882 00:49:45,735 --> 00:49:46,820 - [player clicks] - [music ends] 883 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:47,904 [Jim clears throat] 884 00:49:48,905 --> 00:49:49,906 Hello. 885 00:49:51,032 --> 00:49:54,619 [Heather] He loved the work. He relished in the work and he thrived in the work. 886 00:49:54,619 --> 00:49:56,705 But it did mean that he was doing the work all the time. 887 00:49:56,705 --> 00:49:58,665 [chuckling] You know? 888 00:49:58,665 --> 00:50:00,750 Like even on vacation, he's bringing his work. 889 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:02,377 It wasn't really a vacation. 890 00:50:04,963 --> 00:50:06,881 [birds chirping] 891 00:50:11,636 --> 00:50:14,556 [Oz] So I think what happened was that Jane didn't foresee 892 00:50:14,556 --> 00:50:16,725 how popular things would come. 893 00:50:17,308 --> 00:50:20,478 And she didn't always want it to grow bigger. 894 00:50:20,478 --> 00:50:22,480 She wanted her husband home more. 895 00:50:23,481 --> 00:50:25,483 [no audible dialogue] 896 00:50:28,236 --> 00:50:31,031 [Brian] They were the cofounders of the company. 897 00:50:31,031 --> 00:50:34,200 And then my mother started having babies very quick. 898 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,454 It was very hard for them to be cofounders of the Muppets 899 00:50:37,454 --> 00:50:39,706 and have five kids at the same time. 900 00:50:41,666 --> 00:50:43,918 [Cheryl] My mom was an anarchist. 901 00:50:43,918 --> 00:50:45,545 My mom was a creative thinker. 902 00:50:45,545 --> 00:50:49,049 My mom was strong and-- and dynamic, 903 00:50:49,049 --> 00:50:54,220 and she was often rebelling against the concept of the perfect wife. 904 00:50:54,846 --> 00:50:58,391 And my dad had some traditional expectations 905 00:50:58,391 --> 00:51:01,353 of how things are supposed to be done. 906 00:51:01,353 --> 00:51:03,438 [Brian] It was when it came down to talk about the company. 907 00:51:03,438 --> 00:51:07,359 I'm sure all of my siblings will say they remember the friction often 908 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,779 at the dinner table because my father wanted to know 909 00:51:10,779 --> 00:51:12,614 how-- how was my math quiz, 910 00:51:12,614 --> 00:51:15,533 and how-- how did the science project work out with my sister. 911 00:51:15,533 --> 00:51:18,370 But my mother only wanted to-- my father to talk about the company, 912 00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:20,622 which was the last thing he wanted to talk about. 913 00:51:20,622 --> 00:51:23,124 {\an8}[Jane] Jim certainly had respect for women. 914 00:51:23,124 --> 00:51:27,295 {\an8}He assumed that I was either interested in what the children were doing, 915 00:51:27,295 --> 00:51:30,465 {\an8}or I was interested in what he was doing, and that was what wives do. 916 00:51:39,974 --> 00:51:45,730 I probably just kept it inside for so long until I made a declaration. 917 00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:47,482 "Hey, look. I have a life too. 918 00:51:47,482 --> 00:51:50,068 It's just not about you and your career. 919 00:51:50,068 --> 00:51:51,403 It's about me too." 920 00:51:54,072 --> 00:51:56,282 [Cheryl] What is a declaration of independence? 921 00:51:56,282 --> 00:51:58,410 It's a cry for recognition. 922 00:51:59,911 --> 00:52:01,371 [Lisa] She felt left out. 923 00:52:01,371 --> 00:52:05,875 {\an8}She loved the creative collaboration, and I think it was hurtful to her 924 00:52:05,875 --> 00:52:08,962 that the collaboration could keep going without her. 925 00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:16,511 She wasn't thinking of ending the marriage because she didn't believe in divorce. 926 00:52:16,511 --> 00:52:20,348 She continued to be a very good talent scout. 927 00:52:20,348 --> 00:52:24,436 She discovered a lot of the puppeteers, particularly the young ones. 928 00:52:24,436 --> 00:52:27,772 She would say that she was the first person who discovered Jim Henson. 929 00:52:31,317 --> 00:52:33,987 [Cheryl] No matter what happened in my parents' relationship, 930 00:52:33,987 --> 00:52:37,866 my mom was always supportive of my dad as an artist. 931 00:52:39,576 --> 00:52:41,828 [Brian] I think my mother would've been super happy 932 00:52:41,828 --> 00:52:45,290 if he did just stay on Sesame Street. 933 00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,959 'Cause my mother always wanted to dedicate her life to kids. 934 00:52:47,959 --> 00:52:50,295 My father never wanted to do that. 935 00:52:56,009 --> 00:53:02,307 He had this idea for a Muppets variety show that predated Sesame Street. 936 00:53:05,143 --> 00:53:06,394 [phone rings] 937 00:53:07,145 --> 00:53:09,773 He had been selling it for years. 938 00:53:09,773 --> 00:53:11,941 That was gonna be the ultimate show. 939 00:53:12,734 --> 00:53:15,278 He tried to pitch it to every single network. 940 00:53:15,278 --> 00:53:16,571 Anyone who would listen. 941 00:53:16,571 --> 00:53:17,489 [no audible dialogue] 942 00:53:17,489 --> 00:53:20,825 [Oz] In the beginning, Jerry and me and Jim and Don Sahlin, 943 00:53:20,825 --> 00:53:23,828 we'd have the puppets in these big boxes, 944 00:53:23,828 --> 00:53:30,210 and we would go to ABC or CBS or whatever, to try and get them interested. 945 00:53:31,211 --> 00:53:33,421 And, invariably, what would happen was 946 00:53:33,421 --> 00:53:37,217 they'd say either, "Oh, no. They're puppets," or "Kids' stuff. No." 947 00:53:37,217 --> 00:53:40,637 Or they'd say, "Well, it's interesting, but I'm not the guy to see. 948 00:53:40,637 --> 00:53:43,056 You should see Bill." And, of course, Bill's on vacation, 949 00:53:43,056 --> 00:53:44,849 and we gotta come do it all over again in two weeks. 950 00:53:44,849 --> 00:53:46,476 [no audible dialogue] 951 00:53:46,476 --> 00:53:50,730 [Brian] My dad was very confident that The Muppet Show was going to be great. 952 00:53:52,023 --> 00:53:56,236 But the effort he had to go to to convince the industry 953 00:53:56,236 --> 00:53:57,278 was almost superhuman. 954 00:53:58,405 --> 00:54:01,825 [Lisa] People were saying, "Well, the Muppets are for preschoolers." 955 00:54:01,825 --> 00:54:07,163 So, then he overreacted by creating a show called Sex and Violence with the Muppets. 956 00:54:07,163 --> 00:54:08,873 {\an8}[announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 957 00:54:08,873 --> 00:54:13,461 {\an8}presenting the end of sex and violence on television. 958 00:54:14,462 --> 00:54:16,464 [laughing] 959 00:54:18,717 --> 00:54:21,886 {\an8}Ladies and gentlemen, it's The Muppet Show. 960 00:54:21,886 --> 00:54:24,264 ["Love Ya to Death" playing] 961 00:54:28,643 --> 00:54:32,480 {\an8}Well, I might be able to get you a job on an educational show for kids. 962 00:54:33,273 --> 00:54:35,358 Incidentally, this show has been prerecorded. 963 00:54:36,985 --> 00:54:40,071 {\an8}I mean, it was really strange, because I couldn't sell the Muppets 964 00:54:40,071 --> 00:54:43,533 {\an8}who have now done Sesame Street, and were a huge hit. 965 00:54:45,243 --> 00:54:47,454 So he put together a new presentation. 966 00:54:48,204 --> 00:54:52,125 {\an8}Friends, the United States of America needs The Muppet Show. 967 00:54:52,125 --> 00:54:54,085 {\an8}And you should buy this show. 968 00:54:54,085 --> 00:54:55,670 {\an8}Now, we're not pulling any punches here. 969 00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:57,922 {\an8}I mean, there's nothing subtle about this pitch. 970 00:54:57,922 --> 00:55:01,885 So buy the show and put it on the air, and we'll all be famous. 971 00:55:01,885 --> 00:55:04,763 The Muppets will be famous, and CBS will be famous 972 00:55:04,763 --> 00:55:06,931 because we'll have a hit show on our hands. 973 00:55:06,931 --> 00:55:09,225 And we'll all get temperamental and hard to work with, 974 00:55:09,225 --> 00:55:12,562 but you won't care because we'll all make a lot of money. 975 00:55:12,562 --> 00:55:14,564 And Schlatter and Henson will be happy. 976 00:55:14,564 --> 00:55:15,732 And you will be happy. 977 00:55:15,732 --> 00:55:17,567 And Kermit's mother will be happy. 978 00:55:18,485 --> 00:55:20,653 And God will look down on us 979 00:55:20,653 --> 00:55:25,825 {\an8}and smile on us and he will say, "Let them have a 40 share." 980 00:55:31,414 --> 00:55:32,624 I-- I couldn't sell it. 981 00:55:33,249 --> 00:55:34,250 Help. 982 00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:35,752 It was passed on by everybody. 983 00:55:35,752 --> 00:55:37,379 It was enormously frustrating. 984 00:55:39,339 --> 00:55:42,592 [Lisa] The idea for a Muppets variety show 985 00:55:42,592 --> 00:55:45,887 was quickly replaced by other things to be busy with. 986 00:55:45,887 --> 00:55:48,640 [theme song playing] 987 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,934 [announcer] NBC's Saturday Night. 988 00:55:53,144 --> 00:55:55,438 With Jim Henson's Muppets. 989 00:55:57,065 --> 00:55:59,776 [Brian] The most adult show that has ever been made... [chuckles] 990 00:55:59,776 --> 00:56:03,029 ...is the way Saturday Night Live was being set up. And he was like, "I want in." 991 00:56:03,905 --> 00:56:04,906 {\an8}Scred? 992 00:56:04,906 --> 00:56:08,743 {\an8}Yes, oh, High Supreme Mucky-Muck, sir. 993 00:56:08,743 --> 00:56:10,328 Scred, I'm hungry. 994 00:56:10,328 --> 00:56:13,915 Ah, what would please your flatulence? 995 00:56:13,915 --> 00:56:15,041 [groans] 996 00:56:15,041 --> 00:56:20,797 {\an8}That was a great example of two completely different groups of people 997 00:56:20,797 --> 00:56:25,552 {\an8}with completely different styles of comedy clashing together. 998 00:56:25,552 --> 00:56:27,595 We weren't allowed to write our own material. 999 00:56:27,595 --> 00:56:28,847 [groans] 1000 00:56:28,847 --> 00:56:30,932 It was their show, and we were taking up time. 1001 00:56:30,932 --> 00:56:34,728 {\an8}Michael O'Donoghue could not say a good thing about the Muppets. 1002 00:56:34,728 --> 00:56:38,773 {\an8}He despised them. "I hated writing for that felt." 1003 00:56:38,773 --> 00:56:41,401 We were all pretty sorry to hear you guys got canceled, Scred. 1004 00:56:41,401 --> 00:56:43,028 But, uh, you know, that's show business. 1005 00:56:43,028 --> 00:56:46,406 It was not a happy experience. It really wasn't. 1006 00:56:47,574 --> 00:56:51,036 It was halfway through that season that he got a call from London. 1007 00:56:53,705 --> 00:56:54,956 [phone rings] 1008 00:56:54,956 --> 00:56:57,250 So one of the last two Saturday Night Live shows we did, 1009 00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:58,960 Jim pulled me over and say, 1010 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,047 "Hey, listen. We just got 24 half-hour guaranteed shows." 1011 00:57:03,131 --> 00:57:06,593 {\an8}Lew Grade had ATV Studios in London, which was empty. 1012 00:57:06,593 --> 00:57:09,220 He wasn't shooting anything there, so he needed something to shoot there. 1013 00:57:10,138 --> 00:57:14,142 [Brian] It was two of the most ambitious men on the planet, 1014 00:57:14,142 --> 00:57:17,103 and they come from two completely different universes. 1015 00:57:17,103 --> 00:57:19,773 [Oz] Lew used to be a Charleston dancer. 1016 00:57:19,773 --> 00:57:23,485 Then he became this very successful producer. 1017 00:57:23,485 --> 00:57:28,490 He was absolutely the greatest financial sponsor 1018 00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:31,826 that my dad could have had because he gave him so much freedom. 1019 00:57:31,826 --> 00:57:32,952 Lew would always say, 1020 00:57:32,952 --> 00:57:35,246 "Okay, if it felt right, let's do it. Here's the money." 1021 00:57:35,246 --> 00:57:37,540 As opposed to today, you go to a committee. 1022 00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:40,710 It was just visceral for Lew, and he trusted himself. 1023 00:57:41,628 --> 00:57:44,839 [Brian] Lew was very bullish about this plan 1024 00:57:44,839 --> 00:57:48,510 of selling back into little, local TV channels across the country. 1025 00:57:49,469 --> 00:57:52,722 So we said, "Okay, well, that's a way to get it on the air anyhow." 1026 00:57:52,722 --> 00:57:54,724 And so we went over to England. 1027 00:57:57,936 --> 00:58:00,939 [military band playing] 1028 00:58:03,525 --> 00:58:05,694 [Lisa] The whole crew went over there, 1029 00:58:05,694 --> 00:58:09,781 and they were working with British directors, with British writers. 1030 00:58:09,781 --> 00:58:11,408 It was a big collaboration, 1031 00:58:11,408 --> 00:58:14,035 and nobody really knew what was gonna come out of it. 1032 00:58:14,035 --> 00:58:15,328 [chattering] 1033 00:58:15,328 --> 00:58:18,832 [Juhl] We started frantically trying, grasping around, 1034 00:58:18,832 --> 00:58:22,127 trying to find characters and ideas and concepts 1035 00:58:22,127 --> 00:58:25,088 that would fit with this basic shape that Jim had put to the show. 1036 00:58:29,509 --> 00:58:32,178 We knew we wanted a comedian, and that he was gonna be a bear. 1037 00:58:32,178 --> 00:58:33,930 That's about all we knew about him. 1038 00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:35,515 And we knew that Gonzo the Great 1039 00:58:35,515 --> 00:58:38,518 was a guy who thought that eating a tire to music was great art. 1040 00:58:41,396 --> 00:58:45,567 Jim gradually hit upon this idea based on old English music hall. 1041 00:58:45,567 --> 00:58:47,360 [piano playing] 1042 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,697 I mean, there's a lot of influence, the way that theater looks. 1043 00:58:52,407 --> 00:58:55,827 {\an8}All we were doing is taking a chance with 24 episodes. 1044 00:58:56,411 --> 00:59:02,250 {\an8}I had no idea that it would be such an extraordinary, phenomenal success. 1045 00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:03,543 [applause] 1046 00:59:03,543 --> 00:59:07,088 ♪ It's time to play the music It's time to light the light ♪ 1047 00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:10,717 ♪ It's time to meet the Muppets On The Muppet's Show tonight ♪ 1048 00:59:11,801 --> 00:59:15,805 ♪ It's time to put on makeup It's time to dress up right ♪ 1049 00:59:16,389 --> 00:59:18,141 ♪ It's time to get things started ♪ 1050 00:59:18,141 --> 00:59:20,477 ♪ Why don't you get things started? ♪ 1051 00:59:20,477 --> 00:59:22,479 ♪ It's time to get things started ♪ 1052 00:59:22,479 --> 00:59:27,192 ♪ On the most sensational, inspirational Celebrational, Muppetational ♪ 1053 00:59:27,192 --> 00:59:34,074 ♪ This is what we call The Muppet Show ♪ 1054 00:59:34,574 --> 00:59:35,658 [trumpets playing] 1055 00:59:35,658 --> 00:59:38,078 [audience laughs, cheers] 1056 00:59:38,078 --> 00:59:39,162 Thank you, thank you! 1057 00:59:39,162 --> 00:59:41,748 Hello, everybody. And welcome to The Muppet Show. 1058 00:59:41,748 --> 00:59:44,042 [Oz] Everything evolved in that first season. 1059 00:59:44,042 --> 00:59:46,711 - ♪ Mahna Mahna ♪ - ♪ Do doo be-do-do ♪ 1060 00:59:46,711 --> 00:59:48,963 - ♪ Mahna Mahna ♪ - ♪ Do do-do do ♪ 1061 00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:51,758 - ♪ Mahna Mahna ♪ - ♪ Do doo be-do-do ♪ 1062 00:59:51,758 --> 00:59:55,512 ♪ Do do do, do do do Do do do, do do do, do do do ♪ 1063 00:59:55,512 --> 00:59:57,013 Tonight, ladies and gentlemen, 1064 00:59:57,013 --> 01:00:02,936 I will eat this rubber tire to the music of the "Flight of the Bumblebee." 1065 01:00:02,936 --> 01:00:04,396 - Music, maestro. - [music playing] 1066 01:00:04,396 --> 01:00:05,897 - Frog of my heart... - Yes. 1067 01:00:05,897 --> 01:00:09,442 ...you will just wait until I say the word "here." 1068 01:00:09,442 --> 01:00:13,571 When you hear me say the word "here," you will rush up to me and say, 1069 01:00:13,571 --> 01:00:16,199 "Good grief, the comedian's a bear." 1070 01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,535 - Good grief, the comedian's a bear. - Check. 1071 01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:20,578 - When you say the word "here." - Right. 1072 01:00:20,578 --> 01:00:21,496 - Gotcha. - Okay. 1073 01:00:21,496 --> 01:00:24,416 He's doing it. He's eating a tire. 1074 01:00:24,416 --> 01:00:26,543 - Boring. - [audience member boos] 1075 01:00:26,543 --> 01:00:29,713 Hiya, hiya, hiya! You're a wonderful-looking audience. 1076 01:00:29,713 --> 01:00:31,131 It's a pleasure to be here. 1077 01:00:31,131 --> 01:00:32,882 - Good grief, the comedian's a bear! - I-- 1078 01:00:32,882 --> 01:00:33,967 Not yet! 1079 01:00:35,093 --> 01:00:37,721 - You just said "here." - That was the wrong "here." 1080 01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:40,056 - Which is the right "here"? - The other "here." 1081 01:00:40,056 --> 01:00:40,974 Sure. 1082 01:00:40,974 --> 01:00:42,267 - Stomachache, check. - Mmm. 1083 01:00:42,851 --> 01:00:44,019 [screams] 1084 01:00:47,105 --> 01:00:50,775 - [shouting, indistinct] - [audience laughing] 1085 01:00:50,775 --> 01:00:54,362 Hey, hey, folks. This is a story you're gonna love to hear. 1086 01:00:54,362 --> 01:00:57,198 - Good grief, the comedian's a bear! - Will you stop it? 1087 01:00:57,198 --> 01:00:58,867 - But you said "here." - Not that "here." 1088 01:00:58,867 --> 01:01:00,618 - Well, which "here"? - Another "here." 1089 01:01:00,618 --> 01:01:03,163 - How am I gonna know? - You'll know when you hear! 1090 01:01:03,163 --> 01:01:05,331 - Good grief, the comedian's a bear! - Not-- 1091 01:01:05,331 --> 01:01:06,958 [audience laughing] 1092 01:01:09,919 --> 01:01:13,757 [Oz] The concept was these bizarre people trying to put on a show every week 1093 01:01:14,341 --> 01:01:15,175 [screams] 1094 01:01:15,175 --> 01:01:18,970 Next on stage, Prince Rudolph and His Invisible Cheeseburger. 1095 01:01:18,970 --> 01:01:22,724 I'm sorry, guys. I've got a full show. I cannot use a jug band number tonight. 1096 01:01:22,724 --> 01:01:23,808 [clamoring] 1097 01:01:23,808 --> 01:01:26,728 Way to go, samurai. To your dressing-- [shouts] 1098 01:01:26,728 --> 01:01:30,065 [Oz] And this poor frog trying to make it happen every damn week. 1099 01:01:30,065 --> 01:01:33,151 Everybody's onstage for the opera except the spear carriers. 1100 01:01:33,151 --> 01:01:34,569 They want more money. 1101 01:01:34,569 --> 01:01:35,653 No way. 1102 01:01:37,489 --> 01:01:39,657 - Uh, see how much they want. - Right. 1103 01:01:39,657 --> 01:01:42,994 Kermit's function on this show is very much like my own, 1104 01:01:42,994 --> 01:01:47,374 in that he's trying to hold together this group of crazies. 1105 01:01:47,374 --> 01:01:49,000 And that's not unlike what I do. 1106 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,169 The Muppet Glee Club, "Temptation." 1107 01:01:51,836 --> 01:01:54,005 One and two and... 1108 01:01:54,005 --> 01:01:58,259 [singing] 1109 01:01:58,259 --> 01:02:01,429 [Jim] And the very first show, we had a, sort of, an animal chorus. 1110 01:02:01,971 --> 01:02:03,223 ♪ You came ♪ 1111 01:02:03,223 --> 01:02:04,808 [Jim] Kermit was conducting... 1112 01:02:04,808 --> 01:02:06,518 ♪ I was alone ♪ 1113 01:02:06,518 --> 01:02:10,689 [Jim] ...and this one pig came forward to sing the solo in "Temptation." 1114 01:02:10,689 --> 01:02:13,858 ♪ Born to be kissed ♪ 1115 01:02:14,734 --> 01:02:17,445 ♪ I can't resist ♪ 1116 01:02:17,445 --> 01:02:21,366 ♪ You are temptation ♪ 1117 01:02:21,366 --> 01:02:22,701 ♪ And I... ♪ 1118 01:02:22,701 --> 01:02:25,203 [Jim] And so she was sort of coming on to the conductor. 1119 01:02:26,287 --> 01:02:29,958 So that really started that-- the whole relationship in that little moment. 1120 01:02:31,251 --> 01:02:36,297 ♪ Only a slave ♪ 1121 01:02:36,297 --> 01:02:39,384 ♪ To you ♪ 1122 01:02:39,384 --> 01:02:43,471 One show in rehearsal, it said for Piggy to slap Kermit. 1123 01:02:44,597 --> 01:02:49,185 And, for some reason, I don't know why, I karate chopped him instead. 1124 01:02:49,185 --> 01:02:50,687 - Hi-yah! - [grunts] 1125 01:02:50,687 --> 01:02:52,772 - [audience laughs] - [Oz] And Jim went with it. 1126 01:02:52,772 --> 01:02:54,274 Barbarian. 1127 01:02:55,108 --> 01:02:55,942 [thuds] 1128 01:02:55,942 --> 01:02:58,987 It is a lightbulb that-- Okay, I know her character now. 1129 01:02:58,987 --> 01:03:00,238 - I'll show you. - What-- 1130 01:03:00,238 --> 01:03:01,906 - Hi-yah! - Piggy-- [shouts] 1131 01:03:01,906 --> 01:03:03,742 - Hi-yah! - [screams] 1132 01:03:03,742 --> 01:03:05,035 - Hi-yah! - [laughs] 1133 01:03:05,035 --> 01:03:06,536 - Hi-yah! - [shouts] 1134 01:03:07,245 --> 01:03:09,914 So Piggy was plucked from the chorus and became a star. 1135 01:03:09,914 --> 01:03:11,082 Hello, Morley. 1136 01:03:11,708 --> 01:03:14,336 - May I ask you a question? Please? - [chuckling] Yes. 1137 01:03:14,336 --> 01:03:16,546 - Is your wife here? - No, she's not. 1138 01:03:16,546 --> 01:03:18,798 - Great. - [chuckles] 1139 01:03:18,798 --> 01:03:21,259 - I thought he was a good interviewer. - [person] Yeah, right. 1140 01:03:21,259 --> 01:03:24,137 - He's just overwhelmed by your beauty. - Could've fooled me. 1141 01:03:24,137 --> 01:03:25,388 All right. That's a wrap. 1142 01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:32,479 She has so many limitations. 1143 01:03:32,479 --> 01:03:34,647 All she can do is have bravado. 1144 01:03:35,231 --> 01:03:36,858 Okay, Piggy, you were good. 1145 01:03:36,858 --> 01:03:38,651 I was great. 1146 01:03:40,195 --> 01:03:43,740 [Oz] She covers all her pain 'cause she knows she's not talented. 1147 01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:46,117 She knows she can't tell jokes. 1148 01:03:46,117 --> 01:03:47,702 She knows she can't dance. 1149 01:03:47,702 --> 01:03:50,413 I'm too delicate for show business. 1150 01:03:50,413 --> 01:03:53,750 [Oz] And, of course, her magnificent obsession in life is the frog. 1151 01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:56,753 And he is just kind of namby-pamby about her. 1152 01:03:56,753 --> 01:04:00,006 That comedic conflict, I think that's what makes it memorable. 1153 01:04:00,006 --> 01:04:04,052 Kermie, would... [grunts] ...would you help me take this mermaid outfit off? 1154 01:04:04,052 --> 01:04:04,969 [groans] 1155 01:04:04,969 --> 01:04:07,138 - You want me to do the zipper back here? - Yes. Back there, the zipper. 1156 01:04:07,138 --> 01:04:08,056 - Okay. - It's just-- 1157 01:04:08,056 --> 01:04:09,474 - [zipper opens] - [exclaims] 1158 01:04:10,016 --> 01:04:12,227 Ah! What a relief. 1159 01:04:12,227 --> 01:04:14,813 [sighs] Thank you. Oh! Don't look. Don't look. 1160 01:04:14,813 --> 01:04:16,731 - [stammers] - No peeking. 1161 01:04:19,275 --> 01:04:21,653 - [screams] - [audience laughs] 1162 01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:24,447 [Oz] Is the pig ready? 1163 01:04:25,073 --> 01:04:26,324 [crew 1] The sofa goes across. 1164 01:04:26,324 --> 01:04:27,867 - [crew 2] All right. - [crew 3] Yeah. 1165 01:04:29,411 --> 01:04:30,453 [crew 4] Bye, Frank. 1166 01:04:30,453 --> 01:04:33,415 The necessity of, uh, doing a shot like this, 1167 01:04:33,915 --> 01:04:34,916 you have to, uh-- 1168 01:04:36,584 --> 01:04:38,003 you have to, uh-- 1169 01:04:38,003 --> 01:04:39,087 [sighs] 1170 01:04:39,087 --> 01:04:42,382 In order to make it look good up there, it has to be uncomfortable down here. 1171 01:04:43,008 --> 01:04:45,010 [applause] 1172 01:04:46,094 --> 01:04:48,972 Oh! Come sit, Roger. 1173 01:04:50,015 --> 01:04:53,101 Roger, I'm so glad you asked me up here. 1174 01:04:53,101 --> 01:04:54,936 Well, actually, I didn't ask you. 1175 01:04:54,936 --> 01:04:56,604 It was both a joy and a grind. 1176 01:04:56,604 --> 01:04:57,522 [all laughing] 1177 01:04:57,522 --> 01:04:59,899 - Two, three, four... - [Jim] "They call him the pillage idiot. 1178 01:04:59,899 --> 01:05:02,318 He was stupid with his pillaging." We'll get there. 1179 01:05:02,318 --> 01:05:04,237 [Oz] We do a show a week. 1180 01:05:04,237 --> 01:05:06,906 Every number we do has to go through the same stages. 1181 01:05:06,906 --> 01:05:08,783 We have the guest star on a Sunday. 1182 01:05:09,367 --> 01:05:12,537 We do a read through, we do rehearsal, we go through music. 1183 01:05:13,121 --> 01:05:14,247 [performer] Oh, is that me? 1184 01:05:14,247 --> 01:05:15,832 [Oz] And then the next day, we record the band. 1185 01:05:15,832 --> 01:05:18,001 [band playing] 1186 01:05:18,001 --> 01:05:19,711 And then the vocals are laid down. 1187 01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:22,672 And then we had three days to shoot. 1188 01:05:22,672 --> 01:05:25,884 - ♪ In the navy ♪ - ♪ Yes, you can sail the Seven Seas ♪ 1189 01:05:25,884 --> 01:05:29,512 - ♪ In the navy ♪ - ♪ Yes, you can put your mind at ease ♪ 1190 01:05:29,512 --> 01:05:31,139 - ♪ In the navy ♪ - ♪ Navy ♪ 1191 01:05:31,139 --> 01:05:32,515 [both] ♪ In the navy ♪ 1192 01:05:32,515 --> 01:05:33,558 Cut. Right? Okay. 1193 01:05:34,642 --> 01:05:37,187 [Oz] And then one day off, and we start it all over again. 1194 01:05:37,187 --> 01:05:40,523 - ♪ Take it slow ♪ - [stammers] 1195 01:05:40,523 --> 01:05:42,317 ♪ Easy goes ♪ 1196 01:05:42,317 --> 01:05:45,070 [Oz] There were no live people, except one guest star. 1197 01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:46,821 And we had everything raised. 1198 01:05:46,821 --> 01:05:49,949 We would have the floor in, like, three-foot sections. 1199 01:05:49,949 --> 01:05:52,660 We'd be underneath, and then we'd have our hands up. 1200 01:05:53,745 --> 01:05:56,122 - And Jim invented all this. - [Fozzie Bear] What is it? 1201 01:05:56,122 --> 01:05:57,957 ...that you'd like to come to my dressing room 1202 01:05:57,957 --> 01:06:00,627 and, uh, have a cup of tea? 1203 01:06:02,003 --> 01:06:05,048 - Could I bring a friend? - [laughing] 1204 01:06:05,048 --> 01:06:07,300 - Well... - It's just-- just my mother. 1205 01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:09,844 [audience laughing] 1206 01:06:09,844 --> 01:06:13,973 [Jim] The concept of taking and designing the show around a guest star each week, 1207 01:06:13,973 --> 01:06:15,767 uh, worked out very nicely too. 1208 01:06:16,351 --> 01:06:18,978 Each guest would come in, and the whole show would change personalities. 1209 01:06:18,978 --> 01:06:22,899 You, sir, are a freako. 1210 01:06:24,693 --> 01:06:27,070 - Why, thank you. - [audience laughs] 1211 01:06:27,070 --> 01:06:33,243 ♪ Oh, oh, so is life Abatiwaha, so is life ♪ 1212 01:06:33,243 --> 01:06:35,954 - ♪ Odl lay ee ♪ - ♪ Odl lay ee ♪ 1213 01:06:35,954 --> 01:06:38,540 - ♪ Odl lay hee hee ♪ - ♪ Odl lay hee hee ♪ 1214 01:06:38,540 --> 01:06:41,042 ♪ Odl lay ee Odl lay ee odl lay ♪ 1215 01:06:41,042 --> 01:06:47,549 ♪ La, la, la, la, la, la ♪ 1216 01:06:47,549 --> 01:06:51,052 ♪ La, la, la, la, la ♪ 1217 01:06:52,345 --> 01:06:56,433 He was literally turning away the biggest movie stars in the world, 1218 01:06:56,433 --> 01:06:58,977 'cause he just didn't have enough episodes to put 'em in. 1219 01:06:58,977 --> 01:07:00,770 {\an8}[Oz] Dave Lazer would be there at the airport 1220 01:07:00,770 --> 01:07:03,815 {\an8}meet them, bring them to the hotel, have flowers. 1221 01:07:03,815 --> 01:07:07,402 And exec producers don't do that, but he knew how important it was. 1222 01:07:08,194 --> 01:07:11,031 Jim couldn't do that. It's just not something Jim did. 1223 01:07:11,823 --> 01:07:13,158 He was shy, first of all. 1224 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,952 I don't know that it was shyness. 1225 01:07:15,952 --> 01:07:19,581 {\an8}Jim was a reticent person when it came to communicating with people. 1226 01:07:19,581 --> 01:07:22,834 He never gave long and detailed answers. 1227 01:07:22,834 --> 01:07:25,378 I loved making him laugh. 1228 01:07:25,378 --> 01:07:27,589 [both babbling] 1229 01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:29,758 [both exclaiming] 1230 01:07:29,758 --> 01:07:33,845 If I could make his eyes crinkle, I was one happy Puerto Rican. 1231 01:07:34,763 --> 01:07:36,765 ["Fever" playing] 1232 01:07:38,183 --> 01:07:40,852 ♪ Never know How much I love you ♪ 1233 01:07:41,811 --> 01:07:44,814 ♪ Never know How much I care ♪ 1234 01:07:45,815 --> 01:07:48,818 ♪ When you put your arms around me ♪ 1235 01:07:48,818 --> 01:07:52,405 ♪ I get a fever That's so hard to bear ♪ 1236 01:07:52,405 --> 01:07:54,157 ♪ You give me fever ♪ 1237 01:07:54,991 --> 01:07:59,329 "Fever" was extremely complicated and I kept breaking up. 1238 01:07:59,329 --> 01:08:01,915 - [Animal groans] - [audience laughs] 1239 01:08:01,915 --> 01:08:05,251 And then Jim at one point said, "Rita, we don't do overtime here. 1240 01:08:05,251 --> 01:08:06,211 This is London. 1241 01:08:07,045 --> 01:08:09,798 If you break up again, that's what we have to use." 1242 01:08:10,382 --> 01:08:13,718 I got to the end of the number... [chuckles] 1243 01:08:14,344 --> 01:08:16,346 [audience laughs] 1244 01:08:16,346 --> 01:08:17,681 ...and Animal says... 1245 01:08:17,681 --> 01:08:21,476 [groans] That my kind of woman. 1246 01:08:21,476 --> 01:08:24,479 [Moreno] You can see my nostrils flare at the end, 1247 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:29,693 which is me trying desperately not to laugh. 1248 01:08:29,693 --> 01:08:33,113 [applause, cheering] 1249 01:08:33,113 --> 01:08:38,326 There was nothing that Jim didn't entertain. 1250 01:08:38,326 --> 01:08:40,829 Jim never thought of color. 1251 01:08:41,788 --> 01:08:44,040 Jim never thought of nationality. 1252 01:08:45,959 --> 01:08:48,253 Jim just simply thought of characters. 1253 01:08:49,671 --> 01:08:53,258 ♪ It's not easy bein' green ♪ 1254 01:08:55,385 --> 01:09:00,223 ♪ Having to spend each day The color of the leaves ♪ 1255 01:09:03,518 --> 01:09:08,773 ♪ When I think it might be nicer Bein' red or yellow or gold ♪ 1256 01:09:09,816 --> 01:09:12,068 ♪ Or something Much more colorful like that ♪ 1257 01:09:15,363 --> 01:09:16,656 [Moreno] "It's not easy being green." 1258 01:09:16,656 --> 01:09:18,992 I mean, come on. 1259 01:09:19,617 --> 01:09:21,202 We know what that means. 1260 01:09:21,202 --> 01:09:22,579 Everybody knows what that means. 1261 01:09:22,579 --> 01:09:26,666 ♪ It seems you blend in With so many other ordinary things ♪ 1262 01:09:30,211 --> 01:09:33,423 ♪ And people tend to pass you over ♪ 1263 01:09:33,423 --> 01:09:36,343 ♪ 'Cause you're not standing out Like flashy sparkles in the water ♪ 1264 01:09:37,469 --> 01:09:40,221 ♪ Or stars in the sky ♪ 1265 01:09:41,139 --> 01:09:42,390 [Moreno] That frog was green. 1266 01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:45,894 He was a little f-- green, funny looking frog. 1267 01:09:45,894 --> 01:09:49,898 And I know the children understood, that they just understood. 1268 01:09:49,898 --> 01:09:51,983 ♪ Or tall like a tree ♪ 1269 01:09:55,862 --> 01:09:59,616 [Brian] That's one of the main thrusts of my father's work. 1270 01:09:59,616 --> 01:10:04,120 It's why he very rarely celebrates tribalism in any sense, 1271 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,955 because he thinks if we all loved each other 1272 01:10:05,955 --> 01:10:08,208 for our differences and not our similarities, 1273 01:10:08,208 --> 01:10:09,959 we would-- There would be no more war. 1274 01:10:09,959 --> 01:10:13,129 ♪ I'm green And it'll do fine ♪ 1275 01:10:14,214 --> 01:10:20,720 ♪ It's beautiful And I think it's what I wanna be ♪ 1276 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,806 [frogs croaking] 1277 01:10:28,853 --> 01:10:30,855 [applause] 1278 01:10:37,278 --> 01:10:39,698 {\an8}[Jim] The Muppet Show is now seen in over 100 countries, 1279 01:10:39,698 --> 01:10:41,866 and I'm just delighted with the show's success 1280 01:10:41,866 --> 01:10:43,952 because until this program came along, 1281 01:10:43,952 --> 01:10:46,454 {\an8}no one had ever done a show quite like this, 1282 01:10:46,454 --> 01:10:48,456 where the real stars are puppets. 1283 01:10:49,541 --> 01:10:52,460 {\an8}[Juhl] For its day, it was the most watched television series in history. 1284 01:10:54,504 --> 01:10:56,464 My dad really got the final laugh 1285 01:10:56,464 --> 01:10:59,968 'cause the networks all passed twice on both of his pilots. 1286 01:10:59,968 --> 01:11:00,885 [shutter clicks] 1287 01:11:02,512 --> 01:11:05,306 [Cheryl] He and the puppeteers, they felt like rock stars. 1288 01:11:05,306 --> 01:11:09,811 They had tried so hard to get that show made, 1289 01:11:09,811 --> 01:11:11,187 and against such odds, 1290 01:11:11,187 --> 01:11:15,942 and then for it to hit in that way, it was really, really satisfying. 1291 01:11:16,943 --> 01:11:19,571 Puppets are very ancient entertainers. 1292 01:11:19,571 --> 01:11:21,906 They don't just go back to the crib. 1293 01:11:21,906 --> 01:11:23,658 They go back to the cave. 1294 01:11:23,658 --> 01:11:25,493 They were beginning to show their age a little 1295 01:11:25,493 --> 01:11:29,831 until you came along and dragged that whole squeaking box of dolls 1296 01:11:29,831 --> 01:11:32,584 into the 20th century, into the mainstream. 1297 01:11:33,877 --> 01:11:35,462 The Muppets, for my money, 1298 01:11:35,462 --> 01:11:38,882 are the most original thing that ever happened on the box. 1299 01:11:38,882 --> 01:11:40,508 Don't you agree? 1300 01:11:40,508 --> 01:11:42,302 [applause] 1301 01:11:42,886 --> 01:11:44,971 [Oz] We were so incredibly popular around the world. 1302 01:11:46,723 --> 01:11:49,392 And so I-- It's just a natural decision to do a movie. 1303 01:11:50,143 --> 01:11:51,644 {\an8}[cameraperson] And zooming. 1304 01:11:51,644 --> 01:11:53,730 {\an8}[Jim] Jim Frawley, who was the director, 1305 01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:57,901 {\an8}at first, he wanted to shoot in studio, create a world like The Wizard of Oz. 1306 01:11:57,901 --> 01:12:00,153 And I was really trying to talk him into shooting outdoors. 1307 01:12:00,153 --> 01:12:02,906 I said, "Come on over." He brought a Super 8 camera, 1308 01:12:02,906 --> 01:12:05,658 and we shot footage of-- of the characters outdoors. 1309 01:12:06,368 --> 01:12:08,661 {\an8}[Oz] Jim Frawley didn't really get the Muppets, 1310 01:12:08,661 --> 01:12:13,458 {\an8}and he wasn't sure if they really would work on the big screen and in real life. 1311 01:12:13,458 --> 01:12:15,293 - I apologize for that. - [Fozzie Bear] Hey, Kermit. 1312 01:12:15,293 --> 01:12:17,128 Look at the windshield wipers. Look at them go. 1313 01:12:17,671 --> 01:12:20,423 Isn't that terrific? I think I'm gonna be sick. 1314 01:12:21,007 --> 01:12:24,010 Uh, excuse me, guys. We're looking for Hollywood. 1315 01:12:24,010 --> 01:12:25,929 Uh, Hollywood, California. 1316 01:12:25,929 --> 01:12:28,473 No, it's-- it's over near Los Angeles. 1317 01:12:28,473 --> 01:12:31,559 Do you-- Have you ever been to Lo-- Have you ever been to Lo-- Excuse me. 1318 01:12:31,559 --> 01:12:32,519 [laughs] 1319 01:12:32,519 --> 01:12:33,770 [screams] 1320 01:12:34,813 --> 01:12:36,564 Jim, of course, knew it'd work. 1321 01:12:39,859 --> 01:12:43,071 For the opening scene of the movie, we were shooting Kermit in a swamp. 1322 01:12:43,071 --> 01:12:45,365 [no audible dialogue] 1323 01:12:47,492 --> 01:12:51,746 Jim had to be squeezed into this steel canister under the water. 1324 01:12:56,292 --> 01:12:57,502 When they finally let him out, 1325 01:12:57,502 --> 01:12:59,838 it took him about 20 minutes to get unfolded. 1326 01:13:03,675 --> 01:13:05,343 But Jim wouldn't think twice. 1327 01:13:06,136 --> 01:13:07,721 [projector clicks, whirs] 1328 01:13:07,721 --> 01:13:10,306 ["Rainbow Connection" playing] 1329 01:13:10,306 --> 01:13:12,434 [Jim] It's the Muppets meeting the world. 1330 01:13:15,311 --> 01:13:18,148 ♪ Why are there so many ♪ 1331 01:13:18,148 --> 01:13:21,234 ♪ Songs about rainbows ♪ 1332 01:13:21,234 --> 01:13:25,488 ♪ And what's on the other side? ♪ 1333 01:13:27,782 --> 01:13:33,705 ♪ What's so amazing That keeps us star gazing ♪ 1334 01:13:33,705 --> 01:13:37,625 ♪ And what do we think We might see? ♪ 1335 01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:43,089 ♪ Someday we'll find it ♪ 1336 01:13:43,089 --> 01:13:45,800 ♪ The rainbow connection ♪ 1337 01:13:46,301 --> 01:13:50,972 ♪ The lovers, the dreamers And me ♪ 1338 01:13:50,972 --> 01:13:52,682 ♪ All of us... ♪ 1339 01:13:52,682 --> 01:13:55,643 [Juhl] The Muppet Movie opened us up into a whole new world 1340 01:13:55,643 --> 01:13:58,313 that allowed us a whole emotional range. 1341 01:14:01,566 --> 01:14:05,278 It afforded him chances to do more things, to fulfill more dreams, 1342 01:14:05,278 --> 01:14:06,780 to go off in a different direction. 1343 01:14:06,780 --> 01:14:09,491 He knew that he could pick up the phone and call anybody, 1344 01:14:09,491 --> 01:14:11,659 and the best people in the world in any given field 1345 01:14:11,659 --> 01:14:14,162 would be willing to listen to him because he was Jim Henson. 1346 01:14:14,162 --> 01:14:16,331 Just look at all this. Boy! 1347 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,792 How did a frog make the big time? 1348 01:14:19,626 --> 01:14:21,461 - [static] - [chattering] 1349 01:14:21,461 --> 01:14:25,382 - Do you know me? I created the Muppets. - [all] Big deal! 1350 01:14:25,382 --> 01:14:27,550 Everybody knows them, but not me. 1351 01:14:28,343 --> 01:14:31,096 So when I travel, I carry the American Express card. 1352 01:14:32,681 --> 01:14:33,932 {\an8}[Brian] And from that point on, 1353 01:14:33,932 --> 01:14:36,851 my dad couldn't walk a block without getting recognized. 1354 01:14:43,316 --> 01:14:46,736 [Lisa] He bought a new building on 69th Street in New York City. 1355 01:14:46,736 --> 01:14:50,240 Much lovelier, fancier headquarters. 1356 01:14:51,366 --> 01:14:55,787 {\an8}And all of a sudden he's wearing a much more fashionable kind of wardrobe. 1357 01:14:56,955 --> 01:14:58,957 California cowboy chic. 1358 01:15:00,291 --> 01:15:05,296 [Lisa] He got a Lotus with custom green paint in Kermit color... 1359 01:15:07,966 --> 01:15:09,634 and he started new parts of the business. 1360 01:15:09,634 --> 01:15:13,847 He had his own merchandising department and distribution, 1361 01:15:13,847 --> 01:15:17,017 and everything was getting a little bit bigger. 1362 01:15:18,893 --> 01:15:21,896 [interviewer] The Muppet Show, Sesame Street, the movie, 1363 01:15:21,896 --> 01:15:25,275 the bits and pieces of Muppetry, the whole Muppet empire. 1364 01:15:25,275 --> 01:15:27,610 - What's it worth? - [laughs] 1365 01:15:27,610 --> 01:15:30,071 I have no idea. I really don't. 1366 01:15:30,071 --> 01:15:32,615 - [Jim laughs] - [interviewer] Scores of millions? 1367 01:15:32,615 --> 01:15:34,701 - [Jim] Oh, no. No. - Millions? 1368 01:15:35,744 --> 01:15:38,163 Probably, but I wouldn't swear to that. 1369 01:15:38,955 --> 01:15:40,790 Yeah. [chuckles] 1370 01:15:41,332 --> 01:15:45,420 [Brian] Becoming famous was definitely what he wanted. 1371 01:15:46,087 --> 01:15:50,925 But I could see and feel that there was an innocence getting lost, 1372 01:15:51,593 --> 01:15:55,096 and that it was gonna impact his relationship with us and everything. 1373 01:15:55,096 --> 01:15:56,931 And that was complex. 1374 01:15:59,517 --> 01:16:02,187 [Jane] This kind of success has less peace in it. 1375 01:16:02,187 --> 01:16:05,565 It's, um, troublesome in many ways. 1376 01:16:05,565 --> 01:16:08,902 There's a lot of work, a lot of separation. 1377 01:16:08,902 --> 01:16:10,236 There's a lot of pressure 1378 01:16:10,236 --> 01:16:14,074 in a success that involves so many people and so much money. 1379 01:16:15,325 --> 01:16:20,163 He was also trying to commute back and forth between New York and London. 1380 01:16:20,997 --> 01:16:23,875 That was challenging because The Muppet Show 1381 01:16:23,875 --> 01:16:26,211 would tape months on end in London. 1382 01:16:26,211 --> 01:16:29,381 And then when he would get to New York, everybody needed his attention, 1383 01:16:29,381 --> 01:16:31,091 whether it was on the family side, 1384 01:16:31,091 --> 01:16:35,387 or even at the company needing more leadership and more of his presence. 1385 01:16:35,387 --> 01:16:39,557 So there was stress involved with getting bigger, for sure. 1386 01:16:40,225 --> 01:16:42,394 You're a very busy man. How do you find enough time 1387 01:16:42,394 --> 01:16:47,107 to spend with your family to keep those home fires burning, let's say? 1388 01:16:47,107 --> 01:16:51,194 You know, it-- it is difficult, and certainly I-- I, um-- 1389 01:16:51,194 --> 01:16:52,612 But I like to travel with them. 1390 01:16:52,612 --> 01:16:56,032 I often, you know, have one or two of my kids with me at the time, 1391 01:16:56,032 --> 01:16:59,452 and, uh, we enjoy family vacations and that sort of thing. 1392 01:17:00,161 --> 01:17:01,746 Come on, everybody. Try it. 1393 01:17:03,623 --> 01:17:07,043 [Goelz] And meanwhile, Jim is still doing Sesame several weeks a year. 1394 01:17:07,544 --> 01:17:10,005 He felt completely committed to service Sesame Street 1395 01:17:10,005 --> 01:17:11,131 and not leave them behind. 1396 01:17:11,131 --> 01:17:12,382 [chattering] 1397 01:17:12,382 --> 01:17:15,218 [Cheryl] My dad was working incredibly hard. 1398 01:17:16,177 --> 01:17:20,432 And, regularly, at the end of each week, they'd have, like, one day off. 1399 01:17:20,432 --> 01:17:21,599 And he would be sick. 1400 01:17:21,599 --> 01:17:25,979 He would just crash, and then he'd have to get back up and go. 1401 01:17:27,939 --> 01:17:31,276 [Oz] We always said, "Oh, Jim is taking on too much this time." 1402 01:17:32,027 --> 01:17:35,030 If there was a week off in London, 1403 01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:37,657 he'd say, "Hey, we're doing the Queen's Silver Jubilee during that week." 1404 01:17:37,657 --> 01:17:38,742 [chuckles] 1405 01:17:39,659 --> 01:17:42,287 [no audible dialogue] 1406 01:17:42,287 --> 01:17:43,788 He wasn't against doctors. 1407 01:17:43,788 --> 01:17:45,999 He just didn't want to go to doctors first. 1408 01:17:45,999 --> 01:17:49,961 I remember doing a shoot with him in Chicago out in the dead winter, 1409 01:17:49,961 --> 01:17:51,880 and he-- he had walking pneumonia. 1410 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,049 And he just barreled through. 1411 01:17:58,011 --> 01:17:59,596 He-- He wasn't scared of dying. 1412 01:18:02,223 --> 01:18:06,478 I-I remember when Don Sahlin died, which was a huge shock, 1413 01:18:08,021 --> 01:18:11,858 and I was in the workshop and I was crying. 1414 01:18:13,109 --> 01:18:16,112 And Jim came behind me and said, "It's okay. 1415 01:18:16,112 --> 01:18:17,614 He's just on a different plane." 1416 01:18:19,115 --> 01:18:20,533 And Jim believed that. 1417 01:18:20,533 --> 01:18:22,369 He saw it as another adventure. 1418 01:18:23,620 --> 01:18:25,622 He believed there was something else there. 1419 01:18:27,457 --> 01:18:32,295 [Cheryl] He was interested in Buddhism, TM, Transcendental Meditation, 1420 01:18:32,295 --> 01:18:34,547 different ways of seeing the world. 1421 01:18:35,799 --> 01:18:38,968 What is reality? What is human nature? 1422 01:18:38,968 --> 01:18:41,388 What is this world that surrounds us? 1423 01:18:43,014 --> 01:18:44,599 [laughing] 1424 01:18:47,060 --> 01:18:49,312 [Lisa] My father never spoke of God, 1425 01:18:49,312 --> 01:18:53,358 and he was not a Christian Scientist, in spite of his mother. 1426 01:18:53,358 --> 01:18:57,946 He was the kind of person who just believes in the greater power, 1427 01:18:57,946 --> 01:19:02,450 and a very intense interconnectedness between all beings. 1428 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:09,249 [Erickson] Jim was always trying to broaden his mind, his sensibilities. 1429 01:19:10,959 --> 01:19:12,293 He was a seeker. 1430 01:19:18,925 --> 01:19:23,596 - [laughing, chattering] - [band playing] 1431 01:19:27,142 --> 01:19:29,602 [no audible dialogue] 1432 01:19:29,602 --> 01:19:33,565 [applause] 1433 01:19:36,276 --> 01:19:37,277 Uh... 1434 01:19:37,819 --> 01:19:40,488 - I don't really make speeches, uh... - [guests laugh] 1435 01:19:40,488 --> 01:19:42,490 ...as-- as everybody knows. 1436 01:19:42,490 --> 01:19:46,745 But, uh, listen, it's been really a great five years. And I'm not... 1437 01:19:46,745 --> 01:19:49,414 [Brian] After five seasons, he was like, "I did it all. 1438 01:19:49,414 --> 01:19:52,208 I did The Muppet Show. I'm gonna start repeating myself." 1439 01:19:52,208 --> 01:19:53,126 And he canceled it. 1440 01:19:54,127 --> 01:19:56,921 We're proud of the work that we've done together. 1441 01:19:56,921 --> 01:19:59,049 All of you people and all of us. 1442 01:19:59,049 --> 01:20:02,969 And, uh, it's stuff that will, uh, stay with me a long time. 1443 01:20:02,969 --> 01:20:05,221 So, thank you very much. 1444 01:20:05,221 --> 01:20:07,474 [applause] 1445 01:20:09,309 --> 01:20:11,978 [Brian] Nobody does that with a show that successful. 1446 01:20:13,313 --> 01:20:15,982 But he had the next chapter already in his head. 1447 01:20:18,568 --> 01:20:21,446 [Jim] Sometimes you feel you should continue moving forward. 1448 01:20:22,113 --> 01:20:23,156 From a creative standpoint, 1449 01:20:23,156 --> 01:20:26,076 it's a lot more interesting to change and do something different and new. 1450 01:20:31,456 --> 01:20:32,957 [Brian] Dark Crystal was really the beginning 1451 01:20:32,957 --> 01:20:35,460 of this next chapter of creativity. 1452 01:20:40,715 --> 01:20:42,300 [Jim] We intended to do something 1453 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:45,387 that would jump styles completely from the Muppets. 1454 01:20:46,930 --> 01:20:49,182 And about the same time we started thinking about it, 1455 01:20:49,182 --> 01:20:51,351 I saw the work of Brian Froud. 1456 01:20:52,602 --> 01:20:54,270 And I immediately loved it. 1457 01:20:57,148 --> 01:21:01,861 It's a wonderful challenge to design the creatures and what they wear, 1458 01:21:02,445 --> 01:21:06,366 the castle and the landscape and the color palette of the skies. 1459 01:21:09,369 --> 01:21:11,746 [Oz] Jim needed a shop. 1460 01:21:11,746 --> 01:21:15,959 So he bought a place in Hampstead, an old derelict post office. 1461 01:21:16,710 --> 01:21:18,461 And that became the creature shop. 1462 01:21:22,924 --> 01:21:24,217 [Erickson] Jim was a detail person. 1463 01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:28,096 He would say, "Go ahead and stitch that three times, 1464 01:21:28,096 --> 01:21:32,559 and do a handmade embroidery because that'll just enrich it." 1465 01:21:33,977 --> 01:21:38,982 [Brian] He just started collecting artists into this building in London. 1466 01:21:39,607 --> 01:21:42,235 So that's when he named it the Jim Henson Creature Shop. 1467 01:21:42,235 --> 01:21:43,653 So it was literally a shop 1468 01:21:43,653 --> 01:21:46,322 where you can come and buy your creature for your movie. 1469 01:21:47,157 --> 01:21:50,201 {\an8}[Frith] Jim loved the technology involved in all of this. 1470 01:21:50,201 --> 01:21:55,040 {\an8}This extraordinarily complex system of moving mouths and eyes and eyebrows 1471 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,543 and wiggling ears, and anything else that you needed to have a puppet do. 1472 01:21:59,461 --> 01:22:02,881 It was an interesting challenge because these puppets were unwieldy, 1473 01:22:02,881 --> 01:22:05,800 and they were also capable of nuance and subtlety 1474 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,178 that we didn't have in the regular Muppets. 1475 01:22:08,178 --> 01:22:12,098 There were mechanisms on the characters that made them mimic life more closely. 1476 01:22:12,599 --> 01:22:14,434 [Jim] The images in the shirt have to be vertical 1477 01:22:14,434 --> 01:22:16,811 because that-- that's the kind of shape we're going into. 1478 01:22:16,811 --> 01:22:18,480 Certainly not three, and probably not two. 1479 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:20,065 [Oz] It was getting closer to the shoot. 1480 01:22:20,065 --> 01:22:22,525 And in his own quiet way, Jim just said to me, 1481 01:22:22,525 --> 01:22:25,403 "Frank, do you want to direct this movie with me?" [chuckles] 1482 01:22:25,987 --> 01:22:30,408 I said... [stammers] ..."I've never directed before. Why-- Why ask me?" 1483 01:22:30,408 --> 01:22:32,452 And this is typical Jim. He said, 1484 01:22:32,452 --> 01:22:34,037 "Because it would be better." 1485 01:22:36,081 --> 01:22:38,750 He knew that I had some strengths that he didn't have. 1486 01:22:38,750 --> 01:22:39,834 [no audible dialogue] 1487 01:22:39,834 --> 01:22:41,086 And that's always Jim. 1488 01:22:41,086 --> 01:22:43,380 [no audible dialogue] 1489 01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:48,551 The reaction of him hitting that stone should be nice. 1490 01:22:48,551 --> 01:22:51,638 [Lisa] They were in the creative sandbox the whole way through. 1491 01:22:51,638 --> 01:22:53,473 Everything was something new. 1492 01:22:56,768 --> 01:23:00,105 [Goelz] First day we shot, Jim had 30 or 40 people 1493 01:23:00,105 --> 01:23:02,524 in this uncomfortable position in the dark... 1494 01:23:04,693 --> 01:23:06,945 on a 2-foot-high platform. 1495 01:23:08,238 --> 01:23:12,325 And I step off the platform, and now we're going over. 1496 01:23:12,325 --> 01:23:16,663 And somebody caught us, and put us back on the platform. 1497 01:23:16,663 --> 01:23:18,331 [chuckling] 1498 01:23:18,331 --> 01:23:20,041 And I remember thinking 1499 01:23:20,041 --> 01:23:23,545 Jim's optimism has really gotten the best of him this time. 1500 01:23:24,879 --> 01:23:26,006 Ah! 1501 01:23:26,006 --> 01:23:29,217 [crew] And one, two, three, action! 1502 01:23:29,217 --> 01:23:33,471 [performers shouting] 1503 01:23:33,471 --> 01:23:35,890 [crew] One, two, three, action. 1504 01:23:35,890 --> 01:23:38,393 Uh, Mr. Oz, how do you think the picture is going? 1505 01:23:38,393 --> 01:23:39,352 [laughing] 1506 01:23:39,352 --> 01:23:40,770 Mr. Oz doesn't say much about that. 1507 01:23:40,770 --> 01:23:45,108 [crew 2] ...and one, two, three! 1508 01:23:51,156 --> 01:23:52,741 [Brian] The first time he showed the movie, 1509 01:23:52,741 --> 01:23:56,327 the executives all got up and walked out of the theater without talking to him. 1510 01:23:56,327 --> 01:23:58,371 They so disliked the movie. [chuckles] 1511 01:23:58,371 --> 01:24:01,124 Fools! Skeksis fools! 1512 01:24:01,124 --> 01:24:02,625 What do you want with me? 1513 01:24:02,625 --> 01:24:07,297 Well, a large portion of the movie was not in English, was in made-up languages. 1514 01:24:07,297 --> 01:24:09,632 [babbling] 1515 01:24:09,632 --> 01:24:13,345 When the characters were just babbling nonsense words, 1516 01:24:13,345 --> 01:24:15,930 the test audiences rejected it completely. 1517 01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:21,311 So they had to go back and create a script in English 1518 01:24:21,311 --> 01:24:23,813 that would fit with the lip sync of what they had shot. 1519 01:24:23,813 --> 01:24:25,607 [screams] 1520 01:24:25,607 --> 01:24:29,235 [Jim] That entire film was almost rewritten twice after we shot it. 1521 01:24:29,235 --> 01:24:30,362 Oh! 1522 01:24:30,362 --> 01:24:32,072 Something I don't recommend to anybody. 1523 01:24:32,072 --> 01:24:33,073 ...my home. 1524 01:24:33,073 --> 01:24:36,326 [Jim] We ended up just loading the thing with dialogue. 1525 01:24:36,910 --> 01:24:38,661 And, in many ways, I slightly regret... 1526 01:24:38,661 --> 01:24:40,914 Oh, how crude. 1527 01:24:40,914 --> 01:24:44,084 Dark Crystal came out about the same time as ET. 1528 01:24:44,751 --> 01:24:48,171 And ET had one character in it, one fantasy character, 1529 01:24:48,171 --> 01:24:49,589 and the rest of the world was real. 1530 01:24:49,589 --> 01:24:51,007 [both screaming] 1531 01:24:51,007 --> 01:24:52,550 You just had to believe that character. 1532 01:24:53,134 --> 01:24:55,512 Dark Crystal, we had to believe everything. 1533 01:24:56,554 --> 01:25:00,016 [Oz] When Jim believed in something, he will go all the way. 1534 01:25:02,185 --> 01:25:05,939 It wasn't a huge hit, but it was successful. 1535 01:25:07,023 --> 01:25:10,235 A one-of-a-kind piece of work that was artistic for him, 1536 01:25:10,235 --> 01:25:12,946 and got back to his experimental roots. 1537 01:25:19,994 --> 01:25:21,579 [crew] 754, take six. 1538 01:25:21,579 --> 01:25:24,666 [Heather] My dad wasn't really living in the house at that time. 1539 01:25:24,666 --> 01:25:25,583 Oh, hello. 1540 01:25:25,583 --> 01:25:28,086 He was living wherever the productions were. 1541 01:25:28,086 --> 01:25:29,379 [interviewer] Tell me what you're doing 1542 01:25:29,379 --> 01:25:31,172 for my friends at home I'm gonna show this to. 1543 01:25:31,172 --> 01:25:34,342 - What are you doing? - This is underneath the first Muppet orgy. 1544 01:25:34,342 --> 01:25:36,511 [laughing] 1545 01:25:36,511 --> 01:25:37,595 We just tighten up. 1546 01:25:37,595 --> 01:25:40,140 [Heather] My mom didn't want to live where the productions were. 1547 01:25:41,182 --> 01:25:43,018 She wanted to live in a stable house. 1548 01:25:46,896 --> 01:25:49,733 I think they might have been done on my 18th birthday. 1549 01:25:49,733 --> 01:25:52,110 I was in boarding school, so they saw me the least. 1550 01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:55,864 And for my birthday they said, "Why don't you come to Toronto?" 1551 01:25:55,864 --> 01:25:57,532 They had a conference or something. 1552 01:25:57,532 --> 01:26:01,119 So I went to spend one night with them, which was my birthday, 1553 01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:04,706 and they fought all night in a hotel room next to my room. 1554 01:26:04,706 --> 01:26:06,541 And I thought, "Oh, they're done." 1555 01:26:08,626 --> 01:26:10,295 And then they pretty much were done. 1556 01:26:13,131 --> 01:26:17,552 I knew they had tough times. I didn't know it could be this tough. 1557 01:26:21,556 --> 01:26:25,560 [Lisa] They had such different emotional realities. 1558 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,271 He'd be like, "Hey, everything's great the way that it is," 1559 01:26:28,271 --> 01:26:30,273 and she was taking it very hard. 1560 01:26:30,273 --> 01:26:34,736 So their whole worldview was dividing. 1561 01:26:38,156 --> 01:26:42,702 He got an apartment in New York City at the Sherry-Netherland Hotel. 1562 01:26:45,372 --> 01:26:48,375 [Brian] So there he was, late 40s heading into his 50s, 1563 01:26:48,375 --> 01:26:51,961 and what he wanted was to be single but dating. 1564 01:26:52,754 --> 01:26:57,509 He really liked the idea of dating and not having it become too serious. 1565 01:26:59,511 --> 01:27:02,180 [Lisa] Eventually, in the legal separation, 1566 01:27:02,180 --> 01:27:04,891 they did change the ownership of the company. 1567 01:27:05,725 --> 01:27:09,020 A lot of my mom's shares came to us kids. 1568 01:27:11,523 --> 01:27:15,485 While my father was going through that with my mom, 1569 01:27:15,485 --> 01:27:19,322 Lord Grade sold his company to Marble Arch. 1570 01:27:20,782 --> 01:27:23,034 And they both were really worried 1571 01:27:23,034 --> 01:27:26,413 'cause all of a sudden The Muppet Show, the Muppet movies 1572 01:27:26,413 --> 01:27:30,667 {\an8}and The Dark Crystal were all gonna be owned by this company that he didn't know. 1573 01:27:30,667 --> 01:27:33,503 This was a pretty big turning point for him, 1574 01:27:33,503 --> 01:27:35,714 and he made a big, big gamble. 1575 01:27:35,714 --> 01:27:39,884 He basically borrowed every penny he could and mortgaged everything. 1576 01:27:39,884 --> 01:27:43,221 And he said, "I want you kids to know what I'm gonna do 1577 01:27:43,221 --> 01:27:47,809 because it's very risky and maybe you won't have as much money in the future." 1578 01:27:48,768 --> 01:27:51,021 [Cheryl] Well, even though they weren't living together, 1579 01:27:51,021 --> 01:27:55,275 my mom said, "Yes, do it. You need to do it." 1580 01:27:56,609 --> 01:28:00,613 [Lisa] So he took all his money and he bought back Muppet Show, 1581 01:28:00,613 --> 01:28:03,199 the Muppet movies and The Dark Crystal. 1582 01:28:03,867 --> 01:28:07,203 That was a real reach to do that, and really, really brave. 1583 01:28:08,288 --> 01:28:10,707 [no audible dialogue] 1584 01:28:10,707 --> 01:28:14,210 My parents didn't talk about their romance, so to speak, 1585 01:28:15,128 --> 01:28:17,547 but they'd been through so much. 1586 01:28:20,342 --> 01:28:23,011 [Brian] I'm sure they were both the love of each other's lives 1587 01:28:23,511 --> 01:28:25,096 who couldn't live with each other. 1588 01:28:26,014 --> 01:28:27,015 [no audible dialogue] 1589 01:28:35,857 --> 01:28:37,942 - ...a great deal. Always tighter. - [Seeff] Yeah. 1590 01:28:37,942 --> 01:28:38,860 [shutter clicks] 1591 01:28:38,860 --> 01:28:42,322 Uh, would-- would you say that you have a philosophy of life? 1592 01:28:42,322 --> 01:28:44,240 If our message is anything, it is that-- 1593 01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,618 is that it's a-- it's a positive approach to life... 1594 01:28:46,618 --> 01:28:48,912 - Uh-huh. - ...and that life is basically good. 1595 01:28:48,912 --> 01:28:51,623 And by taking a positive approach to it all, 1596 01:28:51,623 --> 01:28:54,376 it-- it makes it, uh-- makes life a lot easier. 1597 01:28:54,376 --> 01:28:57,462 Right. Now-- Now what about the conceptualizing? 1598 01:28:57,462 --> 01:28:58,797 I mean, writing the stories. 1599 01:28:58,797 --> 01:29:03,093 I mean, for instance, Dark Crystal was a film that I absolutely loved. 1600 01:29:03,093 --> 01:29:06,054 - Oh, good. You're gonna love our new one. - Yes. Oh, good. 1601 01:29:06,054 --> 01:29:09,224 Our new one is, uh, I think it's-- it's similar to Dark Crystal, 1602 01:29:09,224 --> 01:29:12,143 but I think it's, uh-- Well, I'm-- I'm very excited by it. 1603 01:29:12,143 --> 01:29:13,853 [Seeff] Is it more sophisticated or-- 1604 01:29:13,853 --> 01:29:15,730 Yeah. It's a good deal more sophisticated. 1605 01:29:15,730 --> 01:29:18,608 Every time you do a film, everything advances a little bit. 1606 01:29:18,608 --> 01:29:19,693 [shutter clicks] 1607 01:29:20,694 --> 01:29:22,445 [sighs] The Labyrinth. 1608 01:29:22,445 --> 01:29:25,949 - [chattering, laughing] - ["Magic Dance" playing] 1609 01:29:27,742 --> 01:29:29,828 - ♪ You remind me of the babe ♪ - ♪ What babe? ♪ 1610 01:29:29,828 --> 01:29:31,454 - ♪ Babe with the power ♪ - ♪ What power? ♪ 1611 01:29:31,454 --> 01:29:32,664 ♪ Power of voodoo ♪ 1612 01:29:32,664 --> 01:29:33,790 - ♪ Who do? ♪ - ♪ You do ♪ 1613 01:29:33,790 --> 01:29:35,500 - ♪ Do what? ♪ - ♪ Remind me of the babe ♪ 1614 01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:37,293 [laughing] 1615 01:29:37,293 --> 01:29:39,671 [Connelly] When you think about it, it's bananas, right? 1616 01:29:39,671 --> 01:29:44,009 {\an8}You're in this kids movie, and I have David Bowie as the kind of, like... 1617 01:29:44,009 --> 01:29:46,302 I mean, it's a mad idea, 1618 01:29:46,302 --> 01:29:48,013 and it's kind of great. 1619 01:29:48,013 --> 01:29:49,848 It doesn't look that far. 1620 01:29:50,932 --> 01:29:54,644 It's further than you think. Time is short. 1621 01:29:55,395 --> 01:29:58,231 [Lisa] It was a very ambitious film being a musical, 1622 01:29:58,231 --> 01:30:00,900 working with David Bowie, working with human actors. 1623 01:30:01,484 --> 01:30:02,902 For him, that was actually harder 1624 01:30:02,902 --> 01:30:05,947 because he hadn't been directing humans. He'd been directing puppets. 1625 01:30:05,947 --> 01:30:09,075 [Jim] It comes down slowly into your hand and the moment... 1626 01:30:09,075 --> 01:30:11,828 I was 14, and there's this huge production. 1627 01:30:11,828 --> 01:30:14,664 You know, this world that he had created, 1628 01:30:14,664 --> 01:30:16,541 and I'm kind of at the middle of it. 1629 01:30:16,541 --> 01:30:17,459 [crew] Ta-da-da! 1630 01:30:17,459 --> 01:30:19,669 [Jim] When you're casting a part like Sarah... 1631 01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:21,171 [crew] And playback. 1632 01:30:21,963 --> 01:30:23,715 ...which is the part in the film, 1633 01:30:23,715 --> 01:30:27,177 you hope someone walks in the door and is the right person. 1634 01:30:27,177 --> 01:30:30,263 And when Jenny walked in, she was the right person. 1635 01:30:33,808 --> 01:30:38,521 [Connelly] Despite having felt so nervous, Jim is such a calming presence. 1636 01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,525 He would say, "Okay, so now you're going to sit here, 1637 01:30:42,525 --> 01:30:44,527 and you're going to turn over and then you're gonna talk 1638 01:30:44,527 --> 01:30:46,738 to this little worm that's coming out of the wall." 1639 01:30:46,738 --> 01:30:50,116 I'm like, "Great. Okay. Is this right?" [chuckles] 1640 01:30:50,116 --> 01:30:51,201 [chattering] 1641 01:30:51,201 --> 01:30:52,827 Say something, worm. 1642 01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:54,913 Uh-huh. 1643 01:30:54,913 --> 01:30:58,708 [Connelly] There was so much imagination and creativity. 1644 01:30:59,709 --> 01:31:04,839 And it was so spectacular to be around people 1645 01:31:04,839 --> 01:31:06,925 {\an8}who are creating in that way. 1646 01:31:06,925 --> 01:31:08,760 {\an8}It was like being in a dream world. 1647 01:31:09,344 --> 01:31:12,263 - [Jim] One. Drop. - [Sarah] Help! 1648 01:31:13,348 --> 01:31:14,224 Help! 1649 01:31:14,224 --> 01:31:17,310 [Connelly] I love all the sporty, stunty stuff. 1650 01:31:17,310 --> 01:31:20,563 "Take me higher. Throw me down a chute. 1651 01:31:20,563 --> 01:31:22,774 Can I be on the wires a little longer?" 1652 01:31:22,774 --> 01:31:25,860 - I loved it. - [bell rings] 1653 01:31:26,611 --> 01:31:28,947 The way that the puppeteers would work together, 1654 01:31:28,947 --> 01:31:30,365 it was really incredible. 1655 01:31:31,491 --> 01:31:35,912 Ooh, yes. Hmm. Hmm. Yes. Which way? Hmm? 1656 01:31:36,496 --> 01:31:40,166 [Brian] My dad never urged any of us kids into the industry. 1657 01:31:41,084 --> 01:31:43,128 He just sort of supported us. 1658 01:31:43,878 --> 01:31:46,548 [Lisa] My dad did notice, like, what we were good at, 1659 01:31:47,132 --> 01:31:52,470 encouraging Heather's work both as a show creator, a theater maker. 1660 01:31:54,139 --> 01:31:58,268 Cheryl was so talented with textiles and fabrics, 1661 01:31:58,268 --> 01:32:01,104 but she was also really good on story. 1662 01:32:01,771 --> 01:32:05,191 [Cheryl] Lisa was always gonna be a television executive. 1663 01:32:06,026 --> 01:32:10,280 My younger brother John, he was doing, sort of, body performing, 1664 01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:14,200 and wound up doing Sweetums and doing the Coca-Cola polar bear. 1665 01:32:14,993 --> 01:32:18,038 [Lisa] Brian, he had training in everything technical. 1666 01:32:18,038 --> 01:32:23,043 On the directing side, he just knew that Brian was a gearhead in a way. [chuckles] 1667 01:32:23,043 --> 01:32:24,419 [chattering] 1668 01:32:24,419 --> 01:32:25,754 [Brian] For Labyrinth, 1669 01:32:25,754 --> 01:32:29,674 my dad wanted to do a fully radio-controlled character, Hoggle. 1670 01:32:30,717 --> 01:32:34,387 And he was saying, "Brian, can you figure out how to do this?" 1671 01:32:36,264 --> 01:32:39,893 This was the beginning of animatronics at the Creature Shop. 1672 01:32:39,893 --> 01:32:41,519 We both stayed open too long. 1673 01:32:41,519 --> 01:32:43,313 - [crew] Action! Shut up! - [actor] Thank you. 1674 01:32:44,856 --> 01:32:48,735 - Oh! That makes it worse. - Oh, come on. [grunts] 1675 01:32:48,735 --> 01:32:51,571 - [actor 2] That makes it... - Ain't it? Yeah. 1676 01:32:51,571 --> 01:32:53,239 What a nice surprise. 1677 01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:54,699 Hello, Hedgewart. 1678 01:32:54,699 --> 01:32:56,993 - Hogwart. - Hoggle. 1679 01:32:58,787 --> 01:33:03,416 [Brian] So, I got to really work with him side by side and call him Jim, not Dad. 1680 01:33:04,709 --> 01:33:10,131 And I got to feel how rewarding it was to work alongside Jim Henson, 1681 01:33:11,132 --> 01:33:14,886 which was very different than being his son and in his family. 1682 01:33:16,012 --> 01:33:18,682 He was a kid at work. That was the biggest difference. 1683 01:33:19,808 --> 01:33:23,687 When he was home, he was always trying to set a good adult example. 1684 01:33:23,687 --> 01:33:27,023 And when he was at work, he was free. 1685 01:33:27,732 --> 01:33:29,734 {\an8}[Brian] So how do you think the film's going so far? 1686 01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,697 {\an8}I think this will probably be the finest motion picture ever made. 1687 01:33:33,697 --> 01:33:36,616 {\an8}[Brian laughs] Good thing I'm only showing this to my family. 1688 01:33:36,616 --> 01:33:38,785 - [laughs] - What does that laugh mean? 1689 01:33:38,785 --> 01:33:42,497 [Brian] No, no. I-- I-- I'm glad I'm not shooting for the evening news. 1690 01:33:42,497 --> 01:33:44,582 This is gonna be the best movie ever made. 1691 01:33:44,582 --> 01:33:46,876 [Brian] Okay. All right. Well, I-- I'll agree with that. 1692 01:33:46,876 --> 01:33:49,462 Uh, I'm happy to hear that actually. [laughs] 1693 01:33:50,547 --> 01:33:52,716 - You better agree with it. - [laughs] 1694 01:34:01,433 --> 01:34:03,893 {\an8}[Lisa] Labyrinth was a colossal failure. 1695 01:34:04,602 --> 01:34:09,315 I do think Labyrinth was the one where he thought they just-- they don't like it. 1696 01:34:09,983 --> 01:34:13,069 People don't like it, and he really didn't expect that. 1697 01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:18,116 [Oz] It's hard to put one's heart and soul in something, 1698 01:34:18,742 --> 01:34:21,995 and then be rejected to a degree and not carry it around with you. 1699 01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:27,083 [Goelz] He was sad about the reception that the film was getting. 1700 01:34:28,752 --> 01:34:29,794 This was unlike Jim. 1701 01:34:31,087 --> 01:34:33,340 We had lunch one day. 1702 01:34:34,257 --> 01:34:36,760 We were about to leave and he said, "I love you." 1703 01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,178 And I said, "I love you too." 1704 01:34:39,137 --> 01:34:42,515 I mean, it was one of those moments where I think he was just-- 1705 01:34:42,515 --> 01:34:45,602 He was feeling vulnerable enough that he would just say something like that. 1706 01:34:45,602 --> 01:34:48,396 [no audible dialogue] 1707 01:34:48,396 --> 01:34:50,732 [Oz] That's one thing about Jim, when he did something, 1708 01:34:50,732 --> 01:34:53,401 he always had two other, three other things he wanted to do. 1709 01:34:55,862 --> 01:34:59,407 As sad as he was about the movie, he didn't dwell. 1710 01:34:59,407 --> 01:35:02,327 He kept on going and did other things that excited him. 1711 01:35:04,496 --> 01:35:05,747 [screams] 1712 01:35:05,747 --> 01:35:07,832 [Goelz] One day, Jim called a meeting and said, 1713 01:35:07,832 --> 01:35:09,918 "I'd like to do a show that stops war." 1714 01:35:10,835 --> 01:35:12,545 And that became Fraggle Rock. 1715 01:35:13,963 --> 01:35:15,757 [Lisa] Storyteller's is the gem. 1716 01:35:15,757 --> 01:35:17,425 He was so proud of it. 1717 01:35:17,425 --> 01:35:21,262 [Brian] It was a culmination of everything he had been striving for. 1718 01:35:21,262 --> 01:35:23,598 [Cheryl] He always had so many projects brewing. 1719 01:35:26,601 --> 01:35:30,146 {\an8}Good. Now I can make my entrance like I do in every show. 1720 01:35:30,939 --> 01:35:34,359 [Rockwell] He was all about the next technological advance. 1721 01:35:34,359 --> 01:35:35,985 {\an8}He was flirting with CGI 1722 01:35:35,985 --> 01:35:38,905 {\an8}with a character on the Jim Henson Hour that was computer-generated. 1723 01:35:38,905 --> 01:35:40,573 Watch, watch this. Here we go. 1724 01:35:40,573 --> 01:35:41,908 [inhales sharply] 1725 01:35:41,908 --> 01:35:42,992 [sneezes] 1726 01:35:42,992 --> 01:35:45,537 [Jim] I'm very excited by computer graphics, 1727 01:35:45,537 --> 01:35:48,707 and performing 'em, uh, as puppets. 1728 01:35:48,707 --> 01:35:51,334 It is mostly being done like animation. 1729 01:35:51,334 --> 01:35:54,421 And what we're trying to do with it is perform it live like a puppet, 1730 01:35:54,421 --> 01:35:57,632 so you can capture real performance, a dramatic performance. 1731 01:35:58,216 --> 01:36:00,593 [Oz] He always wanted to go back and do exciting things. 1732 01:36:00,593 --> 01:36:05,974 And he was just worrying about overhead, and essentially not having time to create. 1733 01:36:05,974 --> 01:36:07,642 [no audible dialogue] 1734 01:36:07,642 --> 01:36:13,023 It was not long after that that he decided to sell the company to Disney. 1735 01:36:15,692 --> 01:36:19,279 He was a huge Disney World fan. Like, fanatic. 1736 01:36:21,698 --> 01:36:22,949 [Oz] He wasn't just selling outright. 1737 01:36:22,949 --> 01:36:26,453 He wanted to get back to not worrying about business as much and having fun. 1738 01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:30,290 With us, from Walt Disney World this morning in Florida, 1739 01:36:30,290 --> 01:36:33,001 are Michael Eisner and Jim Henson. Good morning to both of you. 1740 01:36:33,001 --> 01:36:34,336 - Good morning, Charlie. - Good morning. 1741 01:36:34,336 --> 01:36:37,255 They had a handshake agreement, and it was really, you know, joyful. 1742 01:36:37,255 --> 01:36:38,673 I-- As far as I can tell, 1743 01:36:38,673 --> 01:36:41,259 this is-- this is a wonderful place for my characters to be. 1744 01:36:42,177 --> 01:36:45,263 [Brian] It was really the beginning of the next chapter of creativity 1745 01:36:45,263 --> 01:36:47,182 that he was excited about. 1746 01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:53,438 [no audible dialogue] 1747 01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,442 Jim had so many new ideas and so many things he wanted to do. 1748 01:36:59,361 --> 01:37:00,570 I remember he called. 1749 01:37:01,988 --> 01:37:04,324 He said, "Hey, Frank. I want to talk to you about something." 1750 01:37:06,242 --> 01:37:07,952 And that's the last I ever talked to him. 1751 01:37:07,952 --> 01:37:09,454 [ticking] 1752 01:37:09,454 --> 01:37:10,538 [ticking stops] 1753 01:37:16,670 --> 01:37:18,672 [newscaster 1] A little of the magic is gone. 1754 01:37:18,672 --> 01:37:21,174 Jim Henson, the man who created the Muppets, 1755 01:37:21,174 --> 01:37:23,760 has died at the age of only 53 1756 01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,472 from what is described as a massive bacterial infection. 1757 01:37:27,472 --> 01:37:30,642 He had pneumonia, which went untreated for three days. 1758 01:37:31,434 --> 01:37:33,103 [newscaster 2] To call Jim Henson a puppeteer, 1759 01:37:33,103 --> 01:37:35,522 comes nowhere near describing his accomplishment, 1760 01:37:35,522 --> 01:37:39,859 or the love, affection and knowledge that his characters brought to the world. 1761 01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:45,073 [newscaster 1] For millions of people, it will seem like a death in the family. 1762 01:37:49,994 --> 01:37:53,164 [Lisa] I was in Los Angeles, and I was too late. 1763 01:37:53,164 --> 01:37:54,833 And Brian was too late too. 1764 01:37:58,003 --> 01:38:02,007 But my mom went to the hospital to be with him. 1765 01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:07,721 And what they discussed is private to them. 1766 01:38:08,471 --> 01:38:12,976 And it's nice that they had whatever closure they had right there. 1767 01:38:19,441 --> 01:38:21,609 This was just unthinkable to us 1768 01:38:21,609 --> 01:38:28,450 because this frail giant had just been so unconquerable all these years. 1769 01:38:29,784 --> 01:38:32,954 It was just one of the worst days of my life. 1770 01:38:34,372 --> 01:38:35,373 [sighs] 1771 01:38:38,793 --> 01:38:42,297 It was just this feeling that the light had gone out, 1772 01:38:43,173 --> 01:38:45,425 and that it was not gonna come back on. 1773 01:38:47,469 --> 01:38:49,804 He was ripped away from us way too young. 1774 01:38:50,472 --> 01:38:53,141 It was an unfair early death. 1775 01:38:59,147 --> 01:39:02,192 [Rockwell] We all gathered in the New York office, people from all around the world. 1776 01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:07,113 Our focus was to put this funeral together in five days. 1777 01:39:09,282 --> 01:39:13,203 Someone came over 'cause the kids had the instructions. 1778 01:39:13,203 --> 01:39:14,871 There was a set of directions in the will. 1779 01:39:19,084 --> 01:39:22,796 {\an8}It was like, "Oh, well, there are instructions for-- for making this show." 1780 01:39:22,796 --> 01:39:24,422 So it was uncanny in a way. 1781 01:39:24,422 --> 01:39:26,966 And then we read the instructions at the table, 1782 01:39:26,966 --> 01:39:29,010 which was like a voice from, you know, 1783 01:39:29,010 --> 01:39:31,179 it was just like his-- in his-- It was so him. 1784 01:39:36,142 --> 01:39:39,979 [Brian] "I suggest you first have a nice, friendly little service of some kind." 1785 01:39:39,979 --> 01:39:42,273 [guests laughing] 1786 01:39:45,318 --> 01:39:48,655 "It would be lovely if some of the people who sing would do a song or two, 1787 01:39:49,447 --> 01:39:51,700 some of which should be quite happy and joyful. 1788 01:39:53,493 --> 01:39:55,495 It would be nice if some of my close friends 1789 01:39:55,495 --> 01:39:57,163 would say a few nice happy words 1790 01:39:57,163 --> 01:40:00,375 about how much we enjoy doing this stuff together." 1791 01:40:00,375 --> 01:40:02,168 [no audible dialogue] 1792 01:40:02,752 --> 01:40:05,296 "This all may sound silly and over the top to you guys, 1793 01:40:05,296 --> 01:40:07,674 but, what the hell, I'm gone and who can argue with me?" 1794 01:40:07,674 --> 01:40:10,176 [laughing] 1795 01:40:10,176 --> 01:40:12,262 [applause] 1796 01:40:16,141 --> 01:40:19,144 I don't want to pretend that I know what happens after this life, 1797 01:40:19,144 --> 01:40:21,730 or that Jim really knew what would happen after this life, 1798 01:40:21,730 --> 01:40:23,732 - but he had great plans. - [laughing] 1799 01:40:26,776 --> 01:40:28,778 ["Bein' Green" playing] 1800 01:40:30,196 --> 01:40:35,368 ♪ It's not that easy bein' green ♪ 1801 01:40:36,369 --> 01:40:41,541 ♪ Having to spend the day The color of the leaves ♪ 1802 01:40:42,292 --> 01:40:47,797 ♪ When I think it could be nicer Bein' red or yellow or gold ♪ 1803 01:40:47,797 --> 01:40:51,551 ♪ Or something Much more colorful like that ♪ 1804 01:40:51,551 --> 01:40:54,554 Hello there, my name is Jim Henson, and I'm a puppeteer. 1805 01:40:54,554 --> 01:40:58,141 ♪ But green is the color of spring ♪ 1806 01:40:59,059 --> 01:41:02,896 ♪ And green can be cool And friendly-like ♪ 1807 01:41:04,522 --> 01:41:07,942 ♪ And green can be big like a mountain ♪ 1808 01:41:07,942 --> 01:41:10,528 ♪ Or tall as a tree ♪ 1809 01:41:10,528 --> 01:41:13,114 ♪ Or big as a sea ♪ 1810 01:41:16,951 --> 01:41:18,453 [Jim] I love doing what I do. 1811 01:41:18,453 --> 01:41:23,249 I can't imagine anybody else having as much fun in their work as I do. 1812 01:41:23,249 --> 01:41:24,709 [no audible dialogue] 1813 01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:28,963 There's an honesty and an integrity to what he was creating. 1814 01:41:29,964 --> 01:41:33,218 He was creating it because he needed to create it. 1815 01:41:34,594 --> 01:41:39,641 [Oz] I think what Jim really wanted to do was to sing songs and tell stories, 1816 01:41:39,641 --> 01:41:42,477 teach children, promote peace, save the planet, 1817 01:41:42,477 --> 01:41:44,979 celebrate man and be silly. 1818 01:41:47,148 --> 01:41:51,986 [Brian] He showed that creativity, artistry, metaphor, 1819 01:41:52,612 --> 01:41:56,241 can be used as a great power of good. 1820 01:41:56,825 --> 01:42:01,246 You can make people appreciate the good in all of us, 1821 01:42:01,246 --> 01:42:03,790 and laugh at the absurdity in all of us. 1822 01:42:06,209 --> 01:42:09,629 [Jim] I think if the audience wants these characters to continue to live, 1823 01:42:09,629 --> 01:42:10,797 they-- they will. 1824 01:42:12,298 --> 01:42:13,717 [Rockwell] For me and many others, 1825 01:42:13,717 --> 01:42:16,970 it became very important for us to believe that we could carry on. 1826 01:42:18,513 --> 01:42:23,351 We felt like it was our life's work, and that if it could continue, 1827 01:42:23,351 --> 01:42:24,853 we would love to carry on. 1828 01:42:25,937 --> 01:42:29,774 There's so much loyalty to Jim because he was loyal to us. 1829 01:42:30,442 --> 01:42:33,862 We all do whatever we can because he gave us so much. 1830 01:42:36,573 --> 01:42:40,201 [Lisa] There are just endless things that have been changed 1831 01:42:40,201 --> 01:42:43,371 by the way he saw the world. 1832 01:42:46,166 --> 01:42:52,172 The tenderness that he clearly had for humanity, 1833 01:42:52,797 --> 01:42:59,721 and the space he gave to creativity and expression of imagination, 1834 01:42:59,721 --> 01:43:01,848 I see that in everything that he did. 1835 01:43:04,309 --> 01:43:07,145 Well, I don't think there'll ever be another Jim Henson. 1836 01:43:16,654 --> 01:43:18,239 [Oz] If Jim was here... 1837 01:43:22,535 --> 01:43:26,790 my heart would say something a tad quietly, 1838 01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:29,459 but I wouldn't say it to him because he-- he'd be embarrassed 1839 01:43:29,459 --> 01:43:31,044 and-- and couldn't accept it. 1840 01:43:31,628 --> 01:43:35,048 Uh, so on the outside, I'd probably say, 1841 01:43:35,048 --> 01:43:37,008 "Jim, I'm busy. Could you please move?" 1842 01:43:37,008 --> 01:43:39,260 That's what I'd probably say. [chuckles] 1843 01:43:39,260 --> 01:43:41,596 But on the inside, um... 1844 01:43:44,974 --> 01:43:46,226 I just have to thank him. 1845 01:44:02,826 --> 01:44:04,828 ["The Magic Store" playing] 1846 01:44:12,377 --> 01:44:14,004 ♪ It starts when we're kids ♪ 1847 01:44:15,547 --> 01:44:17,382 ♪ A show-off at school ♪ 1848 01:44:18,508 --> 01:44:20,510 ♪ Makin' faces at friends ♪ 1849 01:44:21,678 --> 01:44:23,680 ♪ You're a clown and a fool ♪ 1850 01:44:25,098 --> 01:44:26,975 ♪ Doing pratfalls and birdcalls ♪ 1851 01:44:26,975 --> 01:44:28,560 ♪ And bad imitations ♪ 1852 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,771 ♪ Ignoring your homework Is that dedication? ♪ 1853 01:44:31,771 --> 01:44:33,648 ♪ You work through the mirror ♪ 1854 01:44:34,607 --> 01:44:37,027 ♪ You're getting standing ovations ♪ 1855 01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:40,321 ♪ You're burning with hope ♪ 1856 01:44:41,698 --> 01:44:43,783 ♪ You're building up steam ♪ 1857 01:44:44,743 --> 01:44:46,578 ♪ What was once "juvenilish" ♪ 1858 01:44:46,578 --> 01:44:48,163 ♪ Is grown-up and stylish ♪ 1859 01:44:48,163 --> 01:44:50,248 ♪ You're close to your dream ♪ 1860 01:44:51,124 --> 01:44:54,627 ♪ Then somebody out there Loves you ♪ 1861 01:44:54,627 --> 01:44:57,255 ♪ Stands up and hollers For more ♪ 1862 01:44:57,255 --> 01:44:58,340 ♪ More! ♪ 1863 01:44:58,340 --> 01:45:03,386 ♪ You found a home At the Magic Store ♪ 1864 01:45:08,350 --> 01:45:10,352 Yes, sir. It's a standard Muppet finale. 1865 01:45:10,352 --> 01:45:12,604 If you don't know how to end it, go out with a-- 1866 01:45:12,604 --> 01:45:13,688 [explosion] 151080

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