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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police,
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Hello?
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Detective.
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Oh, Detective.
Welcome back.
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Yeah, good to be back.
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Most part.
- Mm-hmm.
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Vic looks familiar.
Stabbed?
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There appear to be two wounds
on the side of the torso.
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Based on the location,
I'm guessing punctured lungs.
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Looks like a cyclone
tore through here.
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He put up a hell of a fight.
- Yeah.
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Whoever the killer was, they
did not leave here unscathed.
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Is that a Pulitzer?
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Awarded for local reporting
to Jacob Ackerman.
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My dad used
to read him every day
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when he covered the city
for "The Guardian."
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No one reported like he did.
- Detectives.
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Found the vic's phone
over there in the hallway.
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He dialed 911.
Didn't press send.
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There's no sign
of forced entry?
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No,
neighbor who called it in
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said the door was wide open
when he got here.
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Thank you, Officer.
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What are you thinking?
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I'm thinking our vic saw
something through the window,
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and then went outside
to check it out.
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He interrupts
someone vandalizing his house.
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They have words.
It gets heated.
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Yeah, he goes back inside
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to get his cell phone
to call the cops.
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Killer follows him in.
Fight ensues.
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Ackerman ends up dead.
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I read his website
every morning.
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Only unbiased news source
you can find these days.
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Man was a legend.
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Now, he's a headline.
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I was taking Otto, my dog,
for a walk
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when I saw someone bolt
like a bat out of hell
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out of Jacob's house.
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Can you describe
the person you saw?
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I didn't get to see his face.
It all happened so fast.
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How about any details
on what they were wearing?
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A big ski jacket,
and they had a winter hat on.
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Can you describe the jacket?
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Like, dark green.
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And it had really bright,
fluorescent orange accents.
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Could you tell if the suspect
was a man or a woman?
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Honestly,
I couldn't say for sure.
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How about height?
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I don't know.
Maybe 5'8", 5'9".
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Thank you so much
for your help.
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If you remember anything else,
give us a call.
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Great, we're looking
for a shortish man
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or a tallish woman.
- Yeah.
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And if they were
all bundled up,
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the door cams aren't
gonna be much help.
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- Sir, behind the tape.
- You have to let me through.
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This is my father's house!
- Hey, sir?
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Hey, sir.
How can we help you?
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Who did that?
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What's going on?
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Um, I hate to tell you this,
but there's been an incident.
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And your father was attacked.
- Oh, my God.
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Unfortunately,
he didn't survive.
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We're very sorry.
- I'm sorry.
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Oh, the son of a bitch!
I knew it!
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You knew it?
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What do you mean?
You know who did this?
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Yeah, Lamar Cordell.
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The podcaster?
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He prides himself
on being controversial.
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He's not controversial.
He's hateful.
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He was pushing some nonsense
on his show
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about the Jews
being responsible
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for the oppression
of Black people.
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My father wrote an op-ed
calling him out over it.
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And I'm guessing Cordell
didn't take it too well.
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A few days ago,
he sent my father a DM
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saying he was gonna do to him
what the Jews did to Jesus.
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Seriously?
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Of course Ackerman
would weaponize his lies
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to get the cops
to come after me.
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Mm-mm-mm.
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This is America, y'all,
in 2023,
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where the free-thinkers
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who've red-pilled themselves
from the sheep, well--
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Will you just
answer the question?
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Did you threaten
Jacob Ackerman's life?
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I am the victim here.
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Look, Ackerman and his tribe
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are trying to stop people from
learning the unsanctioned truth
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of what they've done to us,
my brother.
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Oh, no.
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I am not your brother in this,
OK?
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Your brand of crazy,
that's all you.
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I hate to break the news
to you, buddy,
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but when it comes
to being a victim,
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Ackerman's definitely
got you beat.
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- How's that?
- He was murdered this morning.
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And you happened to threaten
to do that to him
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three days ago, brother.
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Well,
I didn't mean it literally.
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Look,
I wasn't gonna kill him.
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I was--I was saying
I was gonna make him a martyr
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for his cause.
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Well, that clears that up.
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Look,
the more he and I fought,
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the more people paid attention.
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More attention
brings in clicks,
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and more clicks,
more money.
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Look, I don't believe
half the things I say.
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But that's
how the game is played.
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Oh, so you're saying
you two were friends?
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No, I needed him.
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Like I stated,
he's good for business.
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OK. Where were you
6:00 a.m. this morning?
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Here, like every other day.
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The keypad entry system
at the recording studio
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confirms Lamar Cordell
was there
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at the time of the murder.
- So he's not our killer.
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He's just a guy pretending
to want Ackerman dead
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for clickbait.
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ME's report says
the knife used
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to kill Ackerman likely
had a 7- or 8-inch blade
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with a serrated edge.
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That's a hunting knife.
That's hardcore.
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Cordell
might not have believed
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the anti-Jewish hate he spewed,
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but his comments fired up
a lot of people who do.
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I found a ton of online hate
directed at Ackerman.
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Fantastic.
Hundreds of suspects.
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Love that.
- Gets worse.
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Two days ago,
Ackerman was doxxed
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by an anonymous poster on
an anti-Semitic Reddit thread.
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Listed Ackerman's home address.
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Say what you want
about sticks and stones,
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but words today
can definitely kill you.
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Forensics didn't find
a second blood type
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at the crime scene,
but they did find
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a partial print
on the spray paint can.
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Belongs to a guy by the name
of Lucas Hobbs, 25 years old.
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He's got plenty of priors too--
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aggravated assault,
harassment--
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and a known association
with the Wolves of Vanguard.
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I'm guessing that's not a
nature enthusiast organization.
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No, it is a white
supremacist militia group.
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Lucas Hobbs,
how you doing?
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Hey, come on.
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Police!
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Oh, no.
Not today, sweetheart.
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Get over here.
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Lucas Hobbs,
you're under arrest.
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You have the right
to remain silent.
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Anything you say--
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You think you can stop us,
but you can't.
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This is a movement.
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Revelation is coming.
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I think
you mean incarceration.
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Come on,
we got your fingerprints
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on the spray paint can.
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So?
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So Ackerman come outside
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while you were
defacing his property.
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You guys have words?
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When did they, uh,
saddle you with him?
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About six months ago.
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Dream come true.
Thanks for asking.
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Be careful.
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Never trust one of them
with a gun.
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You know,
I'm about this close
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from letting you walk free
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just so I can find you
in the street
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and finish this conversation,
just you and me.
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Well, that's good with me.
You just let me know.
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As much as I would love
to see that conversation,
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we're not gonna let you go.
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So you either tell us
your side of the story
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or we'll skip to the good part
when we charge you with murder.
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I told you already,
I didn't kill him.
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I just tagged his house.
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I wanted to expose how these
Zionists control the media.
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Yeah, but, you see,
the Zionist you were exposing
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wound up dead.
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That's his problem, not mine.
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I never even saw the guy.
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Say what you want,
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but I didn't kill
that Jew reporter.
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We got video of Hobbs
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on the subway platform
near Ackerman's brownstone
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boarding a Bronx-bound train
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ten minutes before
Ackerman's neighbor called 911.
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And he wasn't wearing
a green jacket,
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as your witness described.
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So he's telling the truth.
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Yeah, it looks that way.
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Well, that clears him
of the murder,
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but he's still guilty
of a hate crime.
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Book him on making graffiti
and criminal mischief
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and anything else
you can think of.
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- Happily.
- And start digging
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into Ackerman's personal
and professional life,
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and see if anything else
was going on
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that might have
made somebody want to kill him.
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Jacob and I left
our newspaper jobs
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five years ago
to start Endnote.
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Purer journalism
without the profiteering.
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Lofty mission.
Tough business model, though.
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Our business is doing well.
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We're in the process
of selling a majority stake
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to an investment firm
in Sweden.
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And things between you
and Ackerman were good?
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Yeah. Yeah, of course.
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I just--I just still haven't
processed that he's gone.
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You know, we read
some of the text messages
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you sent to Ackerman last week.
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You know, what did you
call him, a selfish prick?
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And an arrogant boomer.
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And we know
that Ackerman wanted
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to pull the plug on the deal,
and that made you furious.
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So I shot off a bunch
of angry text messages.
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We needed that deal.
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So why did Ackerman
try to tank it?
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Because he's a purist.
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When Jacob heard
that the buyer wanted
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to skew our coverage
to the far left,
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reposition us as the
liberal "Fox News," he balked.
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But the good news for you is,
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now that Ackerman
is out of the picture,
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you're free to do whatever
you want with the company.
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I didn't kill Jacob.
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Just the same, where
were you yesterday morning?
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At home with my family.
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It was my son's birthday.
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All right.
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Can you think of anyone else
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that might have a problem
with Ackerman?
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Any confrontations?
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Any threats
that you know about?
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He has been a little
distracted the past few weeks.
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'Cause of all the hate
he's getting online?
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Because he was spending a lot
of time with a younger woman.
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Jacob and I
were close for years.
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He was the first person to
hire me right out of college.
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He was my mentor.
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I understand you were
spending a lot of time
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with him lately.
- Yeah.
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We were working together
on an article.
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00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:56,300
So your relationship
was strictly professional?
254
00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:57,950
Yes, absolutely.
255
00:12:57,950 --> 00:13:00,000
What were you two working on?
256
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,690
- Something really big.
- Big how?
257
00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:04,610
A few months ago,
six people died
258
00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:06,830
in a fire
in the Myers-Hamilton House.
259
00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:08,960
It's a public housing project.
- I remember that.
260
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,230
The fire doors didn't deploy
like they should have, right?
261
00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:14,050
And the official story
262
00:13:14,050 --> 00:13:15,880
is that the fire doors
didn't activate
263
00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,710
because
of a mechanical malfunction.
264
00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:19,230
But the unofficial story?
265
00:13:21,630 --> 00:13:23,280
Apparently, Ackerman uncovered
266
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,630
that the fire doors
at the housing project
267
00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:26,810
were supposed to be serviced
268
00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:28,590
two months
before the fire broke out,
269
00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:30,070
but that didn't happen
270
00:13:30,070 --> 00:13:32,550
because the contractor
the city paid to do the work,
271
00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:35,510
a company called SiteShield,
doesn't actually exist.
272
00:13:35,510 --> 00:13:37,160
What do you mean
it doesn't exist?
273
00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,600
Phony address.
274
00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,210
The phone number listed
is to a florist in Queens.
275
00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:43,610
$5 million was paid out
of a city budget
276
00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:45,090
to a shell corporation.
277
00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:48,610
Meaning someone's
embezzling millions of dollars.
278
00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:50,960
And as a result,
six people burn alive?
279
00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,880
Yeah.
280
00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,100
What if Ackerman
was getting close
281
00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:59,800
to figuring out
who was behind the embezzling?
282
00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:00,930
Hell of a motive.
283
00:14:00,930 --> 00:14:02,800
And this reporter,
284
00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,800
McAllister,
she know who's involved?
285
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,320
She said that Ackerman
traced the money trail
286
00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,410
back
to Patricia Simonian's office,
287
00:14:10,410 --> 00:14:13,420
but she has no proof that
she was personally involved.
288
00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:16,420
Patricia Simonian?
As in the deputy mayor?
289
00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:19,990
Yeah, she hands out
the city contracts.
290
00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:24,300
Just got off the phone
with Simonian's assistant.
291
00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:27,260
She hasn't been able
to reach her since Saturday--
292
00:14:27,260 --> 00:14:30,390
the day
before Ackerman was murdered.
293
00:14:30,390 --> 00:14:31,570
All right, guys.
294
00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:33,050
You got to find her.
295
00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:39,750
NYPD!
296
00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,840
NYPD!
297
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,020
NYPD!
298
00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,020
Police!
299
00:14:56,370 --> 00:14:57,810
Frank.
300
00:14:57,810 --> 00:15:01,070
Yeah.
301
00:15:12,690 --> 00:15:14,780
Neighbors don't report seeing
or hearing anything unusual
302
00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:16,220
the past few days.
303
00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:17,660
Didn't see anyone coming
or going from the apartment.
304
00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:19,050
Well, I did see a camera
in the lobby.
305
00:15:19,050 --> 00:15:20,350
Check
with the building manager.
306
00:15:20,350 --> 00:15:21,960
Have him pull footage
from the last four days.
307
00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,100
Thanks.
308
00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:26,060
No sign of a break-in.
309
00:15:26,060 --> 00:15:29,020
So there's a chance
she knew her killer.
310
00:15:29,020 --> 00:15:30,970
What you got?
- Cause of death
311
00:15:30,970 --> 00:15:32,630
appears
to be blunt force trauma.
312
00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:34,980
Something heavy.
Multiple blows to the head.
313
00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:36,630
Obviously,
she's been dead a while,
314
00:15:36,630 --> 00:15:38,500
but any estimate
on exactly how long?
315
00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:40,070
It's been a couple days.
316
00:15:40,070 --> 00:15:42,160
I mean, based on the signs
of putrefaction I'm seeing,
317
00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,730
I'd say sometime late Saturday
night or early Sunday morning.
318
00:15:45,730 --> 00:15:47,690
That was
before Ackerman was killed.
319
00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:49,250
Are you confirming
that she was killed
320
00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:51,210
sometime
before 6:00 a.m. Sunday?
321
00:15:51,210 --> 00:15:53,000
She's definitely been here
longer than that.
322
00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,650
Well, that rules her out
as Ackerman's killer.
323
00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:57,480
These two murders
have to be connected.
324
00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,130
So Ackerman's investigating
the embezzlement of city funds,
325
00:16:01,130 --> 00:16:04,310
and he suspects the
deputy mayor of being involved.
326
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:07,660
And then, somehow they both
end up murdered hours apart.
327
00:16:07,660 --> 00:16:10,320
Odds of this
being a coincidence?
328
00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,620
Zero.
329
00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:15,100
This is video
from Simonian's lobby
330
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:17,410
at 11:07 p.m.,
Saturday night.
331
00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:18,720
Oh, she let him in.
332
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,590
Look at their body language.
She knows him.
333
00:16:20,590 --> 00:16:23,770
Look at that jacket,
height, build.
334
00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:25,640
The guy matches the description
335
00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,900
of the suspect
from the Ackerman crime scene.
336
00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:31,560
Half an hour later,
the same person leaves alone.
337
00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,560
And look,
he's clearly holding something.
338
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,600
Likely the murder weapon.
339
00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,130
OK, so this confirms
340
00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:43,050
we're looking for one killer
for both homicides.
341
00:16:43,050 --> 00:16:47,010
And the question is, who's got
motive to murder both victims?
342
00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:50,360
Ackerman
was investigating SiteShield.
343
00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,360
And Simonian is the one who
approved the city-wide contract
344
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,100
for SiteShield.
345
00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:58,580
Julia McAllister was working
on the article with Ackerman.
346
00:16:58,580 --> 00:17:00,850
If the killer knows that...
347
00:17:00,850 --> 00:17:04,150
OK, let's get her
into protective custody ASAP.
348
00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:15,560
We'll have an officer posted
outside the door at all times
349
00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,690
and two officers
in a patrol car outside.
350
00:17:18,690 --> 00:17:20,260
How long
do I have to stay here?
351
00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:21,910
Until we find out
who's responsible
352
00:17:21,910 --> 00:17:23,870
for the embezzlement.
353
00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:25,700
Whoever it is,
they're murdering
354
00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:28,220
anyone they think
is connected to you,
355
00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:29,960
which puts you in danger.
356
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,490
I need to check on someone.
357
00:17:32,490 --> 00:17:34,230
Who might that be?
358
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:36,230
When Jacob figured out
that the deputy mayor
359
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:38,270
might somehow be involved
with SiteShield,
360
00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:40,190
I gave him the contact info
361
00:17:40,190 --> 00:17:42,410
of someone I thought
might have some information,
362
00:17:42,410 --> 00:17:44,240
someone who had
come through for me before.
363
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,760
And why didn't you tell us
this yesterday when we spoke?
364
00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,370
I was protecting my source.
365
00:17:48,370 --> 00:17:51,680
And I wasn't even sure if
Jacob had connected with them.
366
00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,940
- If you tell us who they are--
- No.
367
00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:57,770
They are an anonymous source.
That's the whole point.
368
00:17:57,770 --> 00:18:01,860
Please,
just let me make a call,
369
00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:04,870
and I'll find out
who was behind SiteShield.
370
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,010
So that's our embezzler.
371
00:18:25,580 --> 00:18:26,630
Looks like
he's heading north.
372
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:28,150
The 278 onramp's up ahead.
373
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:30,110
He could be
making a run for it.
374
00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,210
That looked like
a rolling stop to me.
375
00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:13,850
License and registration, please.
376
00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:15,200
What did I do?
377
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,420
You rolled
through that stop sign, sir.
378
00:19:17,420 --> 00:19:18,850
License and registration.
379
00:19:18,850 --> 00:19:21,330
- What are you--
- Please. Now.
380
00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:24,860
That's quite a shiner
you got there, uh, Mr. Costa.
381
00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:27,690
How'd you get that?
- Excuse me?
382
00:19:27,690 --> 00:19:29,080
Simple enough question.
383
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,210
What the hell's going on here?
384
00:19:31,210 --> 00:19:34,220
- Step out of the vehicle.
- What?
385
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,830
Step out
of the vehicle now, sir.
386
00:19:42,750 --> 00:19:44,270
Hands on the roof.
387
00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:53,370
I have no idea
what you're talking about.
388
00:19:53,370 --> 00:19:54,760
Don't lie to us, David.
389
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,980
We know
you embezzled city money
390
00:19:57,980 --> 00:20:00,900
and that you got into an
argument with Patricia Simonian
391
00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:02,070
two days
before she was murdered.
392
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,330
And unfortunately for you,
393
00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:05,550
a third party
overheard that conversation.
394
00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:08,730
We know that you're
the one behind SiteShield,
395
00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:10,250
and that makes you responsible
396
00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:11,820
for the six people
who died in that fire.
397
00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:14,470
I've never even
heard of that company.
398
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:16,390
Jacob Ackerman contacted
399
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:18,740
the deputy mayor
Saturday afternoon.
400
00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:20,260
And she got spooked
401
00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:22,090
that a reporter
was poking around, didn't she?
402
00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:24,090
And you realized
that she was a liability.
403
00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:25,830
So you went over
to her place that night,
404
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:27,570
and you killed her.
405
00:20:27,570 --> 00:20:29,400
And then you went to
Ackerman's to finish the job.
406
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,230
But he put up a fight,
didn't he?
407
00:20:32,410 --> 00:20:33,750
I'm not gonna say
another word
408
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:35,360
until my attorney gets here.
409
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,450
That's fine, Dave.
410
00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:39,850
Because you know
what that sound means?
411
00:20:39,850 --> 00:20:41,890
It's the signal
that we got our search warrant.
412
00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:49,380
Find anything?
413
00:20:49,380 --> 00:20:51,030
No green jacket.
414
00:20:54,860 --> 00:20:56,600
You got to be kidding me.
415
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,130
About?
416
00:20:59,130 --> 00:21:00,430
It's right out in the open.
417
00:21:00,430 --> 00:21:02,350
No way.
418
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:06,270
Third from the top.
419
00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:18,580
He can't be that stupid.
420
00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:20,020
Come on.
421
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,020
There.
422
00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,020
It's faint,
but it's definitely blood.
423
00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:28,290
Wow.
424
00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,950
David Costa
and Deputy Mayor Simonian
425
00:21:35,950 --> 00:21:38,210
were co-conspirators
in an embezzlement scheme
426
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:40,210
that led directly
to the deaths of six people
427
00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:42,080
in a public housing unit fire.
428
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,430
And Jacob Ackerman
was working on an article
429
00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:46,090
that would have
exposed their crimes,
430
00:21:46,090 --> 00:21:49,180
so Costa killed Ackerman
and the deputy mayor
431
00:21:49,180 --> 00:21:51,400
to keep the truth
from being discovered.
432
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,880
And you have evidence
to back this up?
433
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,490
DNA tests confirm
that blood on the knife
434
00:21:56,490 --> 00:21:59,060
found at David Costa's home
belongs to Ackerman.
435
00:21:59,060 --> 00:22:01,540
And while they didn't
find a jacket or hat
436
00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:04,060
that matches the description
of our witness,
437
00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:06,670
they did find this
on Costa's social media.
438
00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:09,550
It's the same jacket
from the surveillance footage.
439
00:22:09,550 --> 00:22:11,330
You can prove motive, means,
440
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,810
and you've got him
in possession
441
00:22:12,810 --> 00:22:14,460
of the murder weapon.
What's the problem?
442
00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:16,810
Well, our evidence
in the Ackerman case is strong.
443
00:22:16,810 --> 00:22:19,250
but we don't have much,
if anything,
444
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:21,080
tying him to Simonian's murder.
445
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,470
Then separate the cases.
446
00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:26,260
Hold off on Simonian's
until you have more evidence.
447
00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:29,520
And in the meantime, move
for trial on the Ackerman case.
448
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,350
Costa's attorney
just filed a motion.
449
00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:36,220
They want to suppress
the murder weapon.
450
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:41,400
It's our contention that
the search warrant in this case
451
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,360
was defective.
452
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,100
Mr. Price,
what was the basis
453
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:46,970
for probable cause
in your affidavit?
454
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:48,540
The defendant
has a clear motive,
455
00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:51,760
and detectives observed
cuts and bruises on his face
456
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,500
during a routine traffic stop.
457
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:56,290
Ah, yes, two seasoned
homicide detectives
458
00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:59,120
suddenly morph
into traffic cops.
459
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:00,990
They pulled him over
for a rolling stop.
460
00:23:00,990 --> 00:23:02,690
This is laughable.
461
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:05,340
The police circumvented my
client's constitutional rights
462
00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:08,080
with a trumped-up,
unverifiable,
463
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,780
alleged traffic violation.
464
00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:11,130
They were
within their rights.
465
00:23:11,130 --> 00:23:13,000
No, they exploited
a technicality
466
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,520
and violated
the spirit of the law.
467
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,480
I tend to agree.
It's an overreach.
468
00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:21,840
And since the stop
is where they noticed
469
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,190
the cuts and bruises which in
turn led to the search warrant,
470
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:27,930
the knife is fruit
of the poisonous tree.
471
00:23:27,930 --> 00:23:30,540
Defense's motion to suppress
is granted.
472
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,630
You been able
to find anything
473
00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:37,890
in Costa's personal finances
that ties him
474
00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:39,550
to the embezzlement?
- Negative.
475
00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:41,860
And I've requested information
on SiteShield's account,
476
00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:45,510
but the bank in Panama where
the company receives the funds
477
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:48,340
is citing
the privacy of their clients.
478
00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:51,210
And we have no jurisdiction
to challenge it.
479
00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:53,870
Which is why Costa was
funneling the embezzled funds
480
00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:55,390
through them
in the first place.
481
00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,130
You lost the murder weapon.
482
00:24:00,130 --> 00:24:02,350
This was supposed to be
the case you could win.
483
00:24:02,350 --> 00:24:03,620
I still can.
484
00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:05,230
Ackerman was on the verge
485
00:24:05,230 --> 00:24:07,580
of exposing
SiteShield's responsibility
486
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:09,930
for the six deaths
in the Myers-Hamilton fire.
487
00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:12,100
And as the person
behind the shell company,
488
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:13,840
David Costa
had the most to lose.
489
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,500
Without documentation
490
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:17,930
tying Costa
to the shell corporation,
491
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:19,630
you can't even prove
he was involved
492
00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:20,940
in the embezzlement scheme.
493
00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:23,510
I can do it
through Julia McAllister,
494
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:25,030
Ackerman's colleague.
495
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:26,510
She was writing the article
with Ackerman.
496
00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:29,290
She can testify to
how he came to suspect Costa.
497
00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:30,730
Good.
498
00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:33,910
But you still need to play
to the jury's emotions.
499
00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:36,390
Remind them that
the defendant has a lot more
500
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:38,910
than just Jacob Ackerman's
blood on his hands.
501
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,580
This was not an accident.
502
00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:54,540
What happened to the people
in that building was horrific--
503
00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:56,230
to be burned alive.
504
00:24:56,230 --> 00:25:00,630
And the tragedy is their deaths
could have been avoided.
505
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,890
Ms. McAllister, what did
you and Jacob Ackerman discover
506
00:25:04,890 --> 00:25:07,940
in the course of your reporting
on the Myers-Hamilton fire?
507
00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,160
The city hired a company
called SiteShield
508
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,550
to install fire safety doors
in that building.
509
00:25:12,550 --> 00:25:14,560
Turned out
it was a shell corporation,
510
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,560
and they never did the work
they were paid to do.
511
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080
- How much were they paid?
- Over $5 million.
512
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,650
And were you able
to determine
513
00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:23,300
who was behind SiteShield?
514
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:25,000
Yes, I found a source
515
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,920
who had firsthand knowledge
of the situation.
516
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,570
And what did the source
tell you?
517
00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,920
Objection.
Calls for hearsay.
518
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,490
May I be heard?
519
00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:34,450
I'll see counsel in chambers.
520
00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:38,710
Where are you going with this,
Mr. Price?
521
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:41,240
The witness will testify
that she has a source
522
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,280
who told her that
they overheard a conversation--
523
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,280
- This is hearsay.
- Hold on.
524
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,590
What is
the proffered testimony?
525
00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:48,590
The witness' source
overheard a conversation
526
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:51,590
between the defendant and
Deputy Mayor Patricia Simonian.
527
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:54,070
The defendant admitted
that he was behind SiteShield
528
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:55,470
and that he was aware
529
00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:57,290
that Jacob Ackerman
was about to expose him.
530
00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:58,990
I agree with Mr. Hollins.
531
00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:01,300
It's an admission of guilt
532
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:02,430
by the defendant...
- Actually, Your Honor...
533
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:03,470
And therefore,
an exception to the--
534
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:05,300
- This is double hearsay.
- Double?
535
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:06,830
McAllister isn't even the one
536
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:09,220
who claims to have overheard
this so-called confession.
537
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:11,790
We have no proof
this source even exists.
538
00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:14,310
Can you verify
who Ms. McAllister's source is?
539
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:16,620
Unfortunately,
no, Your Honor.
540
00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:19,190
The source only agreed
to speak with Ms. McAllister
541
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:20,540
under the promise of anonymity,
542
00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:22,970
and she's exercising
her First Amendment right
543
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:25,540
to protect their identity.
544
00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,460
I understand
that puts you in a bind,
545
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,550
but I need confirmation
this person is real.
546
00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:33,590
Without that, I can't allow
Ms. McAllister's testimony.
547
00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:44,650
I need the name
of your source.
548
00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:47,740
I will do everything I can
to limit their exposure.
549
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:50,000
And we can request
a closed-door hearing.
550
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,390
I can't.
I'm sorry.
551
00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:56,830
Ackerman was your friend, right?
552
00:26:56,830 --> 00:26:59,270
Your mentor.
553
00:26:59,270 --> 00:27:01,490
And you're OK
letting his killer walk free?
554
00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:05,100
No, I'm not OK with that.
555
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,930
Not even close.
556
00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:09,020
But I can't reveal my source.
557
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:12,330
I-I just can't.
558
00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:16,030
Jacob would understand too.
559
00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:20,640
He's the one who taught me
the importance of integrity.
560
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,900
You live and die
as a journalist
561
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:25,770
based on your word.
562
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,690
I'm sorry.
563
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:32,130
I can't help you.
564
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:42,790
Can you describe
the person you saw
565
00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:44,710
running away
from Jacob Ackerman's home
566
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:46,670
on the morning
of January 8th?
567
00:27:46,670 --> 00:27:49,710
He was wearing
this big, green puffy jacket.
568
00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:52,110
Was there anything unique
about the jacket?
569
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:55,800
It had a bright, fluorescent
orange liner and hood.
570
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Mr. Fulcher, this is
a picture of David Costa
571
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,070
taken a week before the murder.
572
00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:04,990
Is the jacket
he's wearing in this photo
573
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:06,730
the same
as the one you're describing?
574
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:09,510
Yes, that's it.
No question.
575
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:12,690
Thank you.
Nothing further.
576
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:19,090
Mr. Fulcher,
by your own admission,
577
00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:22,140
you never saw
this person's face, correct?
578
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:23,700
Yes, that is correct.
579
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,400
In fact,
you told police
580
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,490
that you couldn't even tell
if the person that you saw
581
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:30,010
was a man or a woman.
582
00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:32,100
That's true.
583
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:37,410
So what you saw was
a person in a ski jacket
584
00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:39,110
running down the street.
585
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:42,630
He or she was running out of
Jacob's home wearing that coat.
586
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:49,510
But what you can't say
beyond a reasonable doubt
587
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,560
is that my client...
588
00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:56,740
Had anything to do
with this murder.
589
00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:02,090
No, I guess not.
590
00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:03,920
No further questions.
591
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:11,490
The prosecution is making
a lot of noise about a jacket.
592
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:14,540
Do you, in fact,
own a green and orange parka?
593
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:17,230
I did, but I donated it
to the Goodwill
594
00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:19,410
a week before the murder.
595
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:23,630
Your Honor, I'd like to offer
a receipt of this donation
596
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:26,940
and ask
that it be marked exhibit 12.
597
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:33,210
So you're not the person
Stephen Fulcher saw
598
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:35,950
fleeing the scene
of Jacob Ackerman's murder?
599
00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:37,860
Absolutely not.
I'd never even heard
600
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:41,340
of Jacob Ackerman
before I was arrested.
601
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:42,520
Thank you.
602
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Your cell phone location data
puts you
603
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,270
within a 12-block radius
of Jacob Ackerman's brownstone
604
00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:53,620
on the morning of the murder.
605
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,970
How do you explain that?
- I went out for a run.
606
00:29:57,530 --> 00:29:59,490
You live in Queens.
607
00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:01,760
Jacob Ackerman lived
in the West Village.
608
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Well, I like to explore
different parts of the city.
609
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:09,810
You familiar with a company
called SiteShield?
610
00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:12,380
Your Honor, we're venturing
into dangerous waters.
611
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:14,770
Anything else, Mr. Price?
612
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,740
The idea
that anyone would travel
613
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:30,180
over a body of water
and across two boroughs
614
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:32,310
to jog at 6:00 a.m.
on a Sunday morning,
615
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:33,480
it's ludicrous.
616
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,660
But I saw the jurors' faces.
617
00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:36,790
They were entertaining it.
618
00:30:36,790 --> 00:30:38,710
No one likes the idea
619
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:41,400
of condemning a man
to life in prison.
620
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,970
Credible or not,
621
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:46,240
reason to doubt
gives them reason to acquit.
622
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,150
I don't see
how we come back from this.
623
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,370
Then maybe it's time
to reach out,
624
00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:52,890
discuss a plea.
- Maybe not.
625
00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:54,850
I just got a call
from an attorney
626
00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:56,330
representing Lucas Hobbs.
627
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:57,900
The neo-Nazi?
628
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,680
The guy who spraypainted
Ackerman's brownstone
629
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,380
the morning of the murder.
630
00:31:02,380 --> 00:31:04,780
What did his lawyer want?
631
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:12,090
I was watching the news,
632
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:14,790
and they did a story
on your trial.
633
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:17,530
I recognize that guy
you're prosecuting.
634
00:31:17,530 --> 00:31:19,230
You know David Costa?
635
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:23,140
I saw him
the morning of the murder.
636
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:25,410
Where exactly did this happen?
637
00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:28,970
On Ackerman's block,
just a few houses down.
638
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:31,190
After I tagged his house,
I was headed back
639
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:33,850
to the subway to go home,
and he bumped into me.
640
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:36,330
So I shoved him, told him
to watch where he was going.
641
00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:38,680
Mm, and you remember
what he looks like,
642
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160
even though it was months ago?
643
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,550
Yeah,
I'm not gonna forget his face.
644
00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:45,690
He pulled a knife on me.
645
00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:47,690
He said that if I knew
what was good for me,
646
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:50,000
I'd watch where I was going.
647
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,910
What did this knife
look like?
648
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,430
Blade was about yay big.
649
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:55,910
The handle was kind of gold.
650
00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:58,090
Had, like,
pearl and stuff all in it.
651
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:03,920
You notice anything else
about the blade?
652
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,970
Um, did it have
a straight edge?
653
00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:09,970
No, it was serrated.
654
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,760
Why didn't you mention this
to police
655
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,760
when they questioned you?
656
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,200
Because I'm not a snitch.
657
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,330
Not for free, anyway.
658
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:23,990
My client
is currently being held
659
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:25,420
on an aggravated assault charge.
660
00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:26,770
We heard.
661
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,300
Attacked a Jewish woman
in broad daylight,
662
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,510
completely unprovoked.
663
00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:32,430
Mr. Hobbs
maintains his innocence.
664
00:32:32,430 --> 00:32:35,170
And he would be happy
to help in your case
665
00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:37,220
in exchange
for your help with his.
666
00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:46,230
What did you have in mind?
667
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:48,010
A dismissal.
668
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,530
He put a young woman
in the hospital,
669
00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:52,880
and you want a free pass?
670
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,980
That, or I don't testify.
671
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:07,590
Are you certain Lucas Hobbs
is even telling the truth?
672
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:10,680
Did he really see the defendant
at the murder scene?
673
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,820
His description
of the knife was spot-on.
674
00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:14,640
And those details
were never made public,
675
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,430
so either he is omniscient
676
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:20,260
or he saw Costa
holding the knife
677
00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:21,650
a block from the murder scene.
678
00:33:21,650 --> 00:33:24,220
But, Jack, look at this.
679
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:30,140
Hobbs brutally assaulted
a 19-year-old Jewish woman
680
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:32,880
when he overheard her
speaking Hebrew with a friend,
681
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,580
and he wants
all charges dropped
682
00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:37,540
in exchange for his testimony.
683
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:41,370
We're talking about
a murder case here, Nolan.
684
00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:42,540
Yeah, I understand that.
685
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:43,850
I was prepared to offer him
686
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:45,980
more leniency than he deserves.
687
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:48,770
But what he did,
688
00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:50,940
he shouldn't be allowed
to walk away scot-free.
689
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:54,250
This isn't about what
he deserves or doesn't deserve.
690
00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:57,380
It's about getting justice
for Jacob Ackerman.
691
00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:58,860
At what expense?
692
00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:01,910
Sarah Khahiri,
the young woman Hobbs attacked,
693
00:34:01,910 --> 00:34:05,350
has a fractured spine from
when he stomped on her back.
694
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:08,700
She needs surgery
to have her jaw reconstructed.
695
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:10,700
What happened
to her is horrific.
696
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,790
But she's still alive.
697
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:16,580
Mr. Ackerman is not.
698
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,280
I'm just not comfortable
699
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,020
giving a neo-Nazi
a get-out-of-jail-free card.
700
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:26,020
I'm not.
701
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:30,940
Especially with all
the recent anti-Semitic attacks
702
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:32,850
and the hate out there,
703
00:34:32,850 --> 00:34:35,120
there's a bigger picture
to take into account here.
704
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,690
I have no more tolerance
for hate crimes than you do,
705
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:44,210
and I'm all
for adhering to principles,
706
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:48,000
but not to the exclusion
of trying to win a murder case.
707
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,530
So you're demanding
that I put this racist, Hobbs,
708
00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:53,610
on the stand?
709
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:55,960
Can you win without him?
710
00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:02,490
I don't know,
but I'm not sure
711
00:35:02,490 --> 00:35:05,760
if it's worth winning
like this.
712
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,150
Tell that
to Jacob Ackerman's son
713
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:14,110
and the families of the six
people who died in that fire.
714
00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:19,160
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned,
715
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,560
but if the cost
of convicting someone
716
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,560
responsible for eight deaths,
including three children,
717
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,780
is cutting a sweetheart deal
with a white supremacist,
718
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:36,610
I'd take that deal
all day long.
719
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:40,140
But this is your case.
720
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:43,010
You're the one who needs
to live with your choices,
721
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:44,970
not me.
722
00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:58,720
And how can you be certain,
Mr. Hobbs,
723
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,770
that the man
who pulled a knife on you
724
00:36:00,770 --> 00:36:02,990
right outside
of Jacob Ackerman's brownstone
725
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:06,900
that morning
was the defendant?
726
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:08,950
I got a really good look
at him.
727
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:10,210
He got right up in my face.
728
00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:12,210
He was all amped up.
729
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:16,260
I could see it in his eyes that
he didn't just have a knife,
730
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:18,350
he was willing to use it.
731
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:23,220
Nothing further
for this witness.
732
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,140
Mr. Hobbs, you were initially
questioned by detectives
733
00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:32,490
as a suspect in the murder
of Jacob Ackerman,
734
00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:33,670
is that not correct?
735
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:37,110
Yeah, but I didn't do it.
736
00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:39,200
But you didn't mention
anything to them
737
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,200
about seeing someone
with a knife that morning,
738
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,070
did you?
739
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,380
No.
740
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:48,030
So you knew
Ackerman got stabbed,
741
00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:51,250
and you now are claiming
that you saw someone
742
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:54,120
brandishing a knife
outside his home,
743
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,040
but you didn't think
that information was pertinent?
744
00:36:58,610 --> 00:37:02,790
I don't really have the best
relationship with the police.
745
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:07,360
Well,
that's putting it lightly.
746
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,530
In fact, you were charged
747
00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:13,230
with vandalizing
Ackerman's house
748
00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:16,540
with anti-Semitic graffiti,
isn't that correct?
749
00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:17,890
Yeah.
750
00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:19,240
And you've been charged
751
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,800
with several other crimes
since then, haven't you?
752
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,240
Objection.
The witness is not on trial.
753
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,460
- Sustained.
- We'll try another way.
754
00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:30,550
Um, Mr. Hobbs,
are you currently on trial
755
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:34,300
for the assault
of a 19-year-old Jewish girl?
756
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:35,780
I'm innocent.
757
00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:38,130
And is
your testimony here today
758
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:40,080
in exchange
for the district attorney
759
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,000
giving you a full dismissal
of that case?
760
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Yes, it is.
761
00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:51,750
I have no further questions.
762
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:53,970
Any redirect, Mr. Price?
763
00:38:02,370 --> 00:38:07,680
Mr. Hobbs, you are a member
of the Wolves of Vanguard,
764
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,330
an organization
that's associated
765
00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,680
with the neo-Nazi party, correct?
766
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,030
Yeah.
767
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:18,250
So when someone kills
768
00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:21,300
a prominent Jewish figure
like Jacob Ackerman,
769
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,350
if anything,
you're more likely
770
00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:29,180
to lie to protect them,
not incriminate them.
771
00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:30,610
Isn't that fair to say?
772
00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:31,870
If I'm being real with you,
773
00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:34,700
I hate that I'm testifying
against that guy.
774
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:36,440
I got no beef with him.
775
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,970
But I saw what I saw.
776
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,800
He was there,
and he had a knife.
777
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:10,350
Has the jury
reached a verdict?
778
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:15,050
We have, Your Honor.
779
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:18,490
On the charge of murder
in the second degree,
780
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:21,660
we find the defendant,
David Costa...
781
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,060
guilty.
782
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:43,510
Hey.
It all worked out, huh?
783
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:46,560
I appreciate you keeping up
your end of the bargain.
784
00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:50,910
It was a one-time deal.
785
00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:54,090
You commit any crimes
moving forward,
786
00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:56,260
I will make sure
you are prosecuted
787
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:59,090
to the maximum extent
of the law.
788
00:40:00,830 --> 00:40:03,050
Good doing business with you.
789
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,410
You made the right call.
790
00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,110
I'll see you tomorrow.
59467
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