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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,140 --> 00:00:11,190 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:11,190 --> 00:00:12,490 the people are represented 3 00:00:12,490 --> 00:00:15,150 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:15,150 --> 00:00:17,020 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:17,020 --> 00:00:19,850 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:19,850 --> 00:00:21,760 These are their stories. 7 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,370 Hello? 8 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:37,140 Detective. 9 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:39,400 Oh, Detective. Welcome back. 10 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,930 Yeah, good to be back. 11 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:43,280 Most part. - Mm-hmm. 12 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,890 Vic looks familiar. Stabbed? 13 00:01:44,890 --> 00:01:47,760 There appear to be two wounds on the side of the torso. 14 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,460 Based on the location, I'm guessing punctured lungs. 15 00:01:50,460 --> 00:01:53,240 Looks like a cyclone tore through here. 16 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,810 He put up a hell of a fight. - Yeah. 17 00:01:55,810 --> 00:02:01,250 Whoever the killer was, they did not leave here unscathed. 18 00:02:01,250 --> 00:02:02,910 Is that a Pulitzer? 19 00:02:02,910 --> 00:02:07,430 Awarded for local reporting to Jacob Ackerman. 20 00:02:07,430 --> 00:02:09,430 My dad used to read him every day 21 00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:11,780 when he covered the city for "The Guardian." 22 00:02:11,780 --> 00:02:14,440 No one reported like he did. - Detectives. 23 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,790 Found the vic's phone over there in the hallway. 24 00:02:16,790 --> 00:02:19,270 He dialed 911. Didn't press send. 25 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:20,270 There's no sign of forced entry? 26 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:21,660 No, neighbor who called it in 27 00:02:21,660 --> 00:02:23,190 said the door was wide open when he got here. 28 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:25,840 Thank you, Officer. 29 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,410 What are you thinking? 30 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:31,460 I'm thinking our vic saw something through the window, 31 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:34,110 and then went outside to check it out. 32 00:02:34,980 --> 00:02:38,160 He interrupts someone vandalizing his house. 33 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,380 They have words. It gets heated. 34 00:02:40,380 --> 00:02:41,640 Yeah, he goes back inside 35 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:43,820 to get his cell phone to call the cops. 36 00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:46,820 Killer follows him in. Fight ensues. 37 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:48,860 Ackerman ends up dead. 38 00:02:49,910 --> 00:02:52,430 I read his website every morning. 39 00:02:52,430 --> 00:02:55,000 Only unbiased news source you can find these days. 40 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Man was a legend. 41 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,270 Now, he's a headline. 42 00:03:50,580 --> 00:03:53,100 I was taking Otto, my dog, for a walk 43 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:55,280 when I saw someone bolt like a bat out of hell 44 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,450 out of Jacob's house. 45 00:03:56,450 --> 00:03:58,670 Can you describe the person you saw? 46 00:03:58,670 --> 00:04:01,760 I didn't get to see his face. It all happened so fast. 47 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,900 How about any details on what they were wearing? 48 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:07,250 A big ski jacket, and they had a winter hat on. 49 00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:09,160 Can you describe the jacket? 50 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,900 Like, dark green. 51 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:15,690 And it had really bright, fluorescent orange accents. 52 00:04:15,690 --> 00:04:19,390 Could you tell if the suspect was a man or a woman? 53 00:04:19,390 --> 00:04:22,000 Honestly, I couldn't say for sure. 54 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,440 How about height? 55 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,610 I don't know. Maybe 5'8", 5'9". 56 00:04:25,610 --> 00:04:27,140 Thank you so much for your help. 57 00:04:27,140 --> 00:04:29,440 If you remember anything else, give us a call. 58 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,320 Great, we're looking for a shortish man 59 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,450 or a tallish woman. - Yeah. 60 00:04:33,450 --> 00:04:34,710 And if they were all bundled up, 61 00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:36,230 the door cams aren't gonna be much help. 62 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:38,500 - Sir, behind the tape. - You have to let me through. 63 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:40,670 This is my father's house! - Hey, sir? 64 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:42,330 Hey, sir. How can we help you? 65 00:04:42,330 --> 00:04:44,110 Who did that? 66 00:04:44,110 --> 00:04:45,980 What's going on? 67 00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:53,770 Um, I hate to tell you this, but there's been an incident. 68 00:04:53,770 --> 00:04:56,600 And your father was attacked. - Oh, my God. 69 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,600 Unfortunately, he didn't survive. 70 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:02,950 We're very sorry. - I'm sorry. 71 00:05:02,950 --> 00:05:05,170 Oh, the son of a bitch! I knew it! 72 00:05:05,170 --> 00:05:07,310 You knew it? 73 00:05:07,310 --> 00:05:09,350 What do you mean? You know who did this? 74 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:11,350 Yeah, Lamar Cordell. 75 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:13,490 The podcaster? 76 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:15,750 He prides himself on being controversial. 77 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:18,490 He's not controversial. He's hateful. 78 00:05:18,490 --> 00:05:20,280 He was pushing some nonsense on his show 79 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:21,630 about the Jews being responsible 80 00:05:21,630 --> 00:05:23,760 for the oppression of Black people. 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,460 My father wrote an op-ed calling him out over it. 82 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:28,370 And I'm guessing Cordell didn't take it too well. 83 00:05:28,370 --> 00:05:31,290 A few days ago, he sent my father a DM 84 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:34,510 saying he was gonna do to him what the Jews did to Jesus. 85 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:44,950 Seriously? 86 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:47,480 Of course Ackerman would weaponize his lies 87 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,960 to get the cops to come after me. 88 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,530 Mm-mm-mm. 89 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,660 This is America, y'all, in 2023, 90 00:05:57,660 --> 00:05:59,100 where the free-thinkers 91 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:01,060 who've red-pilled themselves from the sheep, well-- 92 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:02,840 Will you just answer the question? 93 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,190 Did you threaten Jacob Ackerman's life? 94 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:07,630 I am the victim here. 95 00:06:07,630 --> 00:06:11,020 Look, Ackerman and his tribe 96 00:06:11,020 --> 00:06:14,070 are trying to stop people from learning the unsanctioned truth 97 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:17,200 of what they've done to us, my brother. 98 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,420 Oh, no. 99 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:20,420 I am not your brother in this, OK? 100 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:21,860 Your brand of crazy, that's all you. 101 00:06:21,860 --> 00:06:23,690 I hate to break the news to you, buddy, 102 00:06:23,690 --> 00:06:25,120 but when it comes to being a victim, 103 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,690 Ackerman's definitely got you beat. 104 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:31,220 - How's that? - He was murdered this morning. 105 00:06:31,220 --> 00:06:34,310 And you happened to threaten to do that to him 106 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:35,700 three days ago, brother. 107 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:38,750 Well, I didn't mean it literally. 108 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:43,620 Look, I wasn't gonna kill him. 109 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:46,450 I was--I was saying I was gonna make him a martyr 110 00:06:46,450 --> 00:06:47,620 for his cause. 111 00:06:47,620 --> 00:06:49,020 Well, that clears that up. 112 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:50,370 Look, the more he and I fought, 113 00:06:50,370 --> 00:06:51,450 the more people paid attention. 114 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:52,720 More attention brings in clicks, 115 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,150 and more clicks, more money. 116 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:56,550 Look, I don't believe half the things I say. 117 00:06:56,550 --> 00:06:58,850 But that's how the game is played. 118 00:06:58,850 --> 00:07:00,680 Oh, so you're saying you two were friends? 119 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,160 No, I needed him. 120 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,210 Like I stated, he's good for business. 121 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:09,820 OK. Where were you 6:00 a.m. this morning? 122 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:12,610 Here, like every other day. 123 00:07:15,130 --> 00:07:17,610 The keypad entry system at the recording studio 124 00:07:17,610 --> 00:07:19,350 confirms Lamar Cordell was there 125 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:21,350 at the time of the murder. - So he's not our killer. 126 00:07:21,350 --> 00:07:23,270 He's just a guy pretending to want Ackerman dead 127 00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:24,400 for clickbait. 128 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,790 ME's report says the knife used 129 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:28,320 to kill Ackerman likely had a 7- or 8-inch blade 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,710 with a serrated edge. 131 00:07:29,710 --> 00:07:31,840 That's a hunting knife. That's hardcore. 132 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,410 Cordell might not have believed 133 00:07:33,410 --> 00:07:35,060 the anti-Jewish hate he spewed, 134 00:07:35,060 --> 00:07:38,200 but his comments fired up a lot of people who do. 135 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,900 I found a ton of online hate directed at Ackerman. 136 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:42,460 Fantastic. Hundreds of suspects. 137 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:43,900 Love that. - Gets worse. 138 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:45,860 Two days ago, Ackerman was doxxed 139 00:07:45,860 --> 00:07:49,290 by an anonymous poster on an anti-Semitic Reddit thread. 140 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:51,120 Listed Ackerman's home address. 141 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,780 Say what you want about sticks and stones, 142 00:07:52,780 --> 00:07:55,260 but words today can definitely kill you. 143 00:07:55,260 --> 00:07:57,650 Forensics didn't find a second blood type 144 00:07:57,650 --> 00:07:59,960 at the crime scene, but they did find 145 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,180 a partial print on the spray paint can. 146 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:06,620 Belongs to a guy by the name of Lucas Hobbs, 25 years old. 147 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:08,140 He's got plenty of priors too-- 148 00:08:08,140 --> 00:08:10,100 aggravated assault, harassment-- 149 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:13,540 and a known association with the Wolves of Vanguard. 150 00:08:13,540 --> 00:08:16,760 I'm guessing that's not a nature enthusiast organization. 151 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,630 No, it is a white supremacist militia group. 152 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,160 Lucas Hobbs, how you doing? 153 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,510 Hey, come on. 154 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:35,950 Police! 155 00:08:48,530 --> 00:08:50,570 Oh, no. Not today, sweetheart. 156 00:08:50,570 --> 00:08:52,710 Get over here. 157 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:56,060 Lucas Hobbs, you're under arrest. 158 00:08:56,060 --> 00:08:58,150 You have the right to remain silent. 159 00:08:58,150 --> 00:08:59,410 Anything you say-- 160 00:08:59,410 --> 00:09:01,370 You think you can stop us, but you can't. 161 00:09:01,370 --> 00:09:03,150 This is a movement. 162 00:09:03,150 --> 00:09:05,500 Revelation is coming. 163 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:08,160 I think you mean incarceration. 164 00:09:14,250 --> 00:09:16,470 Come on, we got your fingerprints 165 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:18,170 on the spray paint can. 166 00:09:18,170 --> 00:09:19,250 So? 167 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:22,040 So Ackerman come outside 168 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,610 while you were defacing his property. 169 00:09:23,610 --> 00:09:26,480 You guys have words? 170 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,050 When did they, uh, saddle you with him? 171 00:09:30,050 --> 00:09:31,310 About six months ago. 172 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:33,310 Dream come true. Thanks for asking. 173 00:09:33,310 --> 00:09:34,790 Be careful. 174 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:36,920 Never trust one of them with a gun. 175 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:43,370 You know, I'm about this close 176 00:09:43,370 --> 00:09:45,500 from letting you walk free 177 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:47,020 just so I can find you in the street 178 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:49,590 and finish this conversation, just you and me. 179 00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:51,110 Well, that's good with me. You just let me know. 180 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:53,680 As much as I would love to see that conversation, 181 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,030 we're not gonna let you go. 182 00:09:55,030 --> 00:09:57,120 So you either tell us your side of the story 183 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,120 or we'll skip to the good part when we charge you with murder. 184 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,690 I told you already, I didn't kill him. 185 00:10:00,690 --> 00:10:02,250 I just tagged his house. 186 00:10:02,250 --> 00:10:05,650 I wanted to expose how these Zionists control the media. 187 00:10:05,650 --> 00:10:08,870 Yeah, but, you see, the Zionist you were exposing 188 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:10,780 wound up dead. 189 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:13,570 That's his problem, not mine. 190 00:10:13,570 --> 00:10:16,050 I never even saw the guy. 191 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:18,490 Say what you want, 192 00:10:18,490 --> 00:10:20,970 but I didn't kill that Jew reporter. 193 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,330 We got video of Hobbs 194 00:10:34,330 --> 00:10:37,200 on the subway platform near Ackerman's brownstone 195 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,680 boarding a Bronx-bound train 196 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:41,770 ten minutes before Ackerman's neighbor called 911. 197 00:10:41,770 --> 00:10:43,560 And he wasn't wearing a green jacket, 198 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,430 as your witness described. 199 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:46,600 So he's telling the truth. 200 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,650 Yeah, it looks that way. 201 00:10:48,650 --> 00:10:49,950 Well, that clears him of the murder, 202 00:10:49,950 --> 00:10:51,740 but he's still guilty of a hate crime. 203 00:10:51,740 --> 00:10:54,740 Book him on making graffiti and criminal mischief 204 00:10:54,740 --> 00:10:56,350 and anything else you can think of. 205 00:10:56,350 --> 00:10:57,920 - Happily. - And start digging 206 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,960 into Ackerman's personal and professional life, 207 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:02,180 and see if anything else was going on 208 00:11:02,180 --> 00:11:04,100 that might have made somebody want to kill him. 209 00:11:09,580 --> 00:11:11,630 Jacob and I left our newspaper jobs 210 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:13,890 five years ago to start Endnote. 211 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:16,280 Purer journalism without the profiteering. 212 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,810 Lofty mission. Tough business model, though. 213 00:11:18,810 --> 00:11:20,940 Our business is doing well. 214 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:22,730 We're in the process of selling a majority stake 215 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:24,070 to an investment firm in Sweden. 216 00:11:24,070 --> 00:11:26,730 And things between you and Ackerman were good? 217 00:11:26,730 --> 00:11:29,080 Yeah. Yeah, of course. 218 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,600 I just--I just still haven't processed that he's gone. 219 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,650 You know, we read some of the text messages 220 00:11:35,650 --> 00:11:37,130 you sent to Ackerman last week. 221 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:40,220 You know, what did you call him, a selfish prick? 222 00:11:40,220 --> 00:11:41,960 And an arrogant boomer. 223 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,530 And we know that Ackerman wanted 224 00:11:43,530 --> 00:11:46,530 to pull the plug on the deal, and that made you furious. 225 00:11:47,490 --> 00:11:50,490 So I shot off a bunch of angry text messages. 226 00:11:50,490 --> 00:11:51,800 We needed that deal. 227 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,150 So why did Ackerman try to tank it? 228 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:54,890 Because he's a purist. 229 00:11:54,890 --> 00:11:56,670 When Jacob heard that the buyer wanted 230 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:59,020 to skew our coverage to the far left, 231 00:11:59,020 --> 00:12:03,420 reposition us as the liberal "Fox News," he balked. 232 00:12:03,420 --> 00:12:04,810 But the good news for you is, 233 00:12:04,810 --> 00:12:06,290 now that Ackerman is out of the picture, 234 00:12:06,290 --> 00:12:09,340 you're free to do whatever you want with the company. 235 00:12:09,340 --> 00:12:10,990 I didn't kill Jacob. 236 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:12,690 Just the same, where were you yesterday morning? 237 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:14,950 At home with my family. 238 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:20,170 It was my son's birthday. 239 00:12:22,050 --> 00:12:23,570 All right. 240 00:12:23,570 --> 00:12:25,570 Can you think of anyone else 241 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,790 that might have a problem with Ackerman? 242 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:28,970 Any confrontations? 243 00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:30,970 Any threats that you know about? 244 00:12:30,970 --> 00:12:33,270 He has been a little distracted the past few weeks. 245 00:12:33,270 --> 00:12:35,100 'Cause of all the hate he's getting online? 246 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:37,630 Because he was spending a lot of time with a younger woman. 247 00:12:39,630 --> 00:12:43,070 Jacob and I were close for years. 248 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:46,770 He was the first person to hire me right out of college. 249 00:12:46,770 --> 00:12:48,200 He was my mentor. 250 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,730 I understand you were spending a lot of time 251 00:12:49,730 --> 00:12:51,210 with him lately. - Yeah. 252 00:12:51,210 --> 00:12:53,820 We were working together on an article. 253 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:56,300 So your relationship was strictly professional? 254 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:57,950 Yes, absolutely. 255 00:12:57,950 --> 00:13:00,000 What were you two working on? 256 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,690 - Something really big. - Big how? 257 00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:04,610 A few months ago, six people died 258 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:06,830 in a fire in the Myers-Hamilton House. 259 00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:08,960 It's a public housing project. - I remember that. 260 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,230 The fire doors didn't deploy like they should have, right? 261 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:14,050 And the official story 262 00:13:14,050 --> 00:13:15,880 is that the fire doors didn't activate 263 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,710 because of a mechanical malfunction. 264 00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:19,230 But the unofficial story? 265 00:13:21,630 --> 00:13:23,280 Apparently, Ackerman uncovered 266 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,630 that the fire doors at the housing project 267 00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:26,810 were supposed to be serviced 268 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:28,590 two months before the fire broke out, 269 00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:30,070 but that didn't happen 270 00:13:30,070 --> 00:13:32,550 because the contractor the city paid to do the work, 271 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:35,510 a company called SiteShield, doesn't actually exist. 272 00:13:35,510 --> 00:13:37,160 What do you mean it doesn't exist? 273 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,600 Phony address. 274 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,210 The phone number listed is to a florist in Queens. 275 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:43,610 $5 million was paid out of a city budget 276 00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:45,090 to a shell corporation. 277 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:48,610 Meaning someone's embezzling millions of dollars. 278 00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:50,960 And as a result, six people burn alive? 279 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Yeah. 280 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,100 What if Ackerman was getting close 281 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:59,800 to figuring out who was behind the embezzling? 282 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:00,930 Hell of a motive. 283 00:14:00,930 --> 00:14:02,800 And this reporter, 284 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,800 McAllister, she know who's involved? 285 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,320 She said that Ackerman traced the money trail 286 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,410 back to Patricia Simonian's office, 287 00:14:10,410 --> 00:14:13,420 but she has no proof that she was personally involved. 288 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:16,420 Patricia Simonian? As in the deputy mayor? 289 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:19,990 Yeah, she hands out the city contracts. 290 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:24,300 Just got off the phone with Simonian's assistant. 291 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:27,260 She hasn't been able to reach her since Saturday-- 292 00:14:27,260 --> 00:14:30,390 the day before Ackerman was murdered. 293 00:14:30,390 --> 00:14:31,570 All right, guys. 294 00:14:31,570 --> 00:14:33,050 You got to find her. 295 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:39,750 NYPD! 296 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,840 NYPD! 297 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,020 NYPD! 298 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,020 Police! 299 00:14:56,370 --> 00:14:57,810 Frank. 300 00:14:57,810 --> 00:15:01,070 Yeah. 301 00:15:12,690 --> 00:15:14,780 Neighbors don't report seeing or hearing anything unusual 302 00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:16,220 the past few days. 303 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:17,660 Didn't see anyone coming or going from the apartment. 304 00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:19,050 Well, I did see a camera in the lobby. 305 00:15:19,050 --> 00:15:20,350 Check with the building manager. 306 00:15:20,350 --> 00:15:21,960 Have him pull footage from the last four days. 307 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,100 Thanks. 308 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:26,060 No sign of a break-in. 309 00:15:26,060 --> 00:15:29,020 So there's a chance she knew her killer. 310 00:15:29,020 --> 00:15:30,970 What you got? - Cause of death 311 00:15:30,970 --> 00:15:32,630 appears to be blunt force trauma. 312 00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:34,980 Something heavy. Multiple blows to the head. 313 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:36,630 Obviously, she's been dead a while, 314 00:15:36,630 --> 00:15:38,500 but any estimate on exactly how long? 315 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:40,070 It's been a couple days. 316 00:15:40,070 --> 00:15:42,160 I mean, based on the signs of putrefaction I'm seeing, 317 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,730 I'd say sometime late Saturday night or early Sunday morning. 318 00:15:45,730 --> 00:15:47,690 That was before Ackerman was killed. 319 00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:49,250 Are you confirming that she was killed 320 00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:51,210 sometime before 6:00 a.m. Sunday? 321 00:15:51,210 --> 00:15:53,000 She's definitely been here longer than that. 322 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,650 Well, that rules her out as Ackerman's killer. 323 00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:57,480 These two murders have to be connected. 324 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,130 So Ackerman's investigating the embezzlement of city funds, 325 00:16:01,130 --> 00:16:04,310 and he suspects the deputy mayor of being involved. 326 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:07,660 And then, somehow they both end up murdered hours apart. 327 00:16:07,660 --> 00:16:10,320 Odds of this being a coincidence? 328 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,620 Zero. 329 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:15,100 This is video from Simonian's lobby 330 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:17,410 at 11:07 p.m., Saturday night. 331 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:18,720 Oh, she let him in. 332 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,590 Look at their body language. She knows him. 333 00:16:20,590 --> 00:16:23,770 Look at that jacket, height, build. 334 00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:25,640 The guy matches the description 335 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,900 of the suspect from the Ackerman crime scene. 336 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:31,560 Half an hour later, the same person leaves alone. 337 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,560 And look, he's clearly holding something. 338 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Likely the murder weapon. 339 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,130 OK, so this confirms 340 00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:43,050 we're looking for one killer for both homicides. 341 00:16:43,050 --> 00:16:47,010 And the question is, who's got motive to murder both victims? 342 00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:50,360 Ackerman was investigating SiteShield. 343 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,360 And Simonian is the one who approved the city-wide contract 344 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,100 for SiteShield. 345 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:58,580 Julia McAllister was working on the article with Ackerman. 346 00:16:58,580 --> 00:17:00,850 If the killer knows that... 347 00:17:00,850 --> 00:17:04,150 OK, let's get her into protective custody ASAP. 348 00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:15,560 We'll have an officer posted outside the door at all times 349 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,690 and two officers in a patrol car outside. 350 00:17:18,690 --> 00:17:20,260 How long do I have to stay here? 351 00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:21,910 Until we find out who's responsible 352 00:17:21,910 --> 00:17:23,870 for the embezzlement. 353 00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:25,700 Whoever it is, they're murdering 354 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:28,220 anyone they think is connected to you, 355 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:29,960 which puts you in danger. 356 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,490 I need to check on someone. 357 00:17:32,490 --> 00:17:34,230 Who might that be? 358 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:36,230 When Jacob figured out that the deputy mayor 359 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:38,270 might somehow be involved with SiteShield, 360 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:40,190 I gave him the contact info 361 00:17:40,190 --> 00:17:42,410 of someone I thought might have some information, 362 00:17:42,410 --> 00:17:44,240 someone who had come through for me before. 363 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,760 And why didn't you tell us this yesterday when we spoke? 364 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,370 I was protecting my source. 365 00:17:48,370 --> 00:17:51,680 And I wasn't even sure if Jacob had connected with them. 366 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,940 - If you tell us who they are-- - No. 367 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:57,770 They are an anonymous source. That's the whole point. 368 00:17:57,770 --> 00:18:01,860 Please, just let me make a call, 369 00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:04,870 and I'll find out who was behind SiteShield. 370 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,010 So that's our embezzler. 371 00:18:25,580 --> 00:18:26,630 Looks like he's heading north. 372 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:28,150 The 278 onramp's up ahead. 373 00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:30,110 He could be making a run for it. 374 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,210 That looked like a rolling stop to me. 375 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:13,850 License and registration, please. 376 00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:15,200 What did I do? 377 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,420 You rolled through that stop sign, sir. 378 00:19:17,420 --> 00:19:18,850 License and registration. 379 00:19:18,850 --> 00:19:21,330 - What are you-- - Please. Now. 380 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:24,860 That's quite a shiner you got there, uh, Mr. Costa. 381 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:27,690 How'd you get that? - Excuse me? 382 00:19:27,690 --> 00:19:29,080 Simple enough question. 383 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,210 What the hell's going on here? 384 00:19:31,210 --> 00:19:34,220 - Step out of the vehicle. - What? 385 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,830 Step out of the vehicle now, sir. 386 00:19:42,750 --> 00:19:44,270 Hands on the roof. 387 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:53,370 I have no idea what you're talking about. 388 00:19:53,370 --> 00:19:54,760 Don't lie to us, David. 389 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,980 We know you embezzled city money 390 00:19:57,980 --> 00:20:00,900 and that you got into an argument with Patricia Simonian 391 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:02,070 two days before she was murdered. 392 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,330 And unfortunately for you, 393 00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:05,550 a third party overheard that conversation. 394 00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:08,730 We know that you're the one behind SiteShield, 395 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:10,250 and that makes you responsible 396 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:11,820 for the six people who died in that fire. 397 00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:14,470 I've never even heard of that company. 398 00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:16,390 Jacob Ackerman contacted 399 00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:18,740 the deputy mayor Saturday afternoon. 400 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:20,260 And she got spooked 401 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:22,090 that a reporter was poking around, didn't she? 402 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:24,090 And you realized that she was a liability. 403 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:25,830 So you went over to her place that night, 404 00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:27,570 and you killed her. 405 00:20:27,570 --> 00:20:29,400 And then you went to Ackerman's to finish the job. 406 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,230 But he put up a fight, didn't he? 407 00:20:32,410 --> 00:20:33,750 I'm not gonna say another word 408 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:35,360 until my attorney gets here. 409 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,450 That's fine, Dave. 410 00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:39,850 Because you know what that sound means? 411 00:20:39,850 --> 00:20:41,890 It's the signal that we got our search warrant. 412 00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:49,380 Find anything? 413 00:20:49,380 --> 00:20:51,030 No green jacket. 414 00:20:54,860 --> 00:20:56,600 You got to be kidding me. 415 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,130 About? 416 00:20:59,130 --> 00:21:00,430 It's right out in the open. 417 00:21:00,430 --> 00:21:02,350 No way. 418 00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:06,270 Third from the top. 419 00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:18,580 He can't be that stupid. 420 00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:20,020 Come on. 421 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,020 There. 422 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:25,020 It's faint, but it's definitely blood. 423 00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:28,290 Wow. 424 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,950 David Costa and Deputy Mayor Simonian 425 00:21:35,950 --> 00:21:38,210 were co-conspirators in an embezzlement scheme 426 00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:40,210 that led directly to the deaths of six people 427 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:42,080 in a public housing unit fire. 428 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,430 And Jacob Ackerman was working on an article 429 00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:46,090 that would have exposed their crimes, 430 00:21:46,090 --> 00:21:49,180 so Costa killed Ackerman and the deputy mayor 431 00:21:49,180 --> 00:21:51,400 to keep the truth from being discovered. 432 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,880 And you have evidence to back this up? 433 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,490 DNA tests confirm that blood on the knife 434 00:21:56,490 --> 00:21:59,060 found at David Costa's home belongs to Ackerman. 435 00:21:59,060 --> 00:22:01,540 And while they didn't find a jacket or hat 436 00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:04,060 that matches the description of our witness, 437 00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:06,670 they did find this on Costa's social media. 438 00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:09,550 It's the same jacket from the surveillance footage. 439 00:22:09,550 --> 00:22:11,330 You can prove motive, means, 440 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,810 and you've got him in possession 441 00:22:12,810 --> 00:22:14,460 of the murder weapon. What's the problem? 442 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:16,810 Well, our evidence in the Ackerman case is strong. 443 00:22:16,810 --> 00:22:19,250 but we don't have much, if anything, 444 00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:21,080 tying him to Simonian's murder. 445 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,470 Then separate the cases. 446 00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:26,260 Hold off on Simonian's until you have more evidence. 447 00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:29,520 And in the meantime, move for trial on the Ackerman case. 448 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,350 Costa's attorney just filed a motion. 449 00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:36,220 They want to suppress the murder weapon. 450 00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:41,400 It's our contention that the search warrant in this case 451 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,360 was defective. 452 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,100 Mr. Price, what was the basis 453 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:46,970 for probable cause in your affidavit? 454 00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:48,540 The defendant has a clear motive, 455 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:51,760 and detectives observed cuts and bruises on his face 456 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,500 during a routine traffic stop. 457 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:56,290 Ah, yes, two seasoned homicide detectives 458 00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:59,120 suddenly morph into traffic cops. 459 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:00,990 They pulled him over for a rolling stop. 460 00:23:00,990 --> 00:23:02,690 This is laughable. 461 00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:05,340 The police circumvented my client's constitutional rights 462 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:08,080 with a trumped-up, unverifiable, 463 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,780 alleged traffic violation. 464 00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:11,130 They were within their rights. 465 00:23:11,130 --> 00:23:13,000 No, they exploited a technicality 466 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,520 and violated the spirit of the law. 467 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,480 I tend to agree. It's an overreach. 468 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:21,840 And since the stop is where they noticed 469 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,190 the cuts and bruises which in turn led to the search warrant, 470 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:27,930 the knife is fruit of the poisonous tree. 471 00:23:27,930 --> 00:23:30,540 Defense's motion to suppress is granted. 472 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,630 You been able to find anything 473 00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:37,890 in Costa's personal finances that ties him 474 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:39,550 to the embezzlement? - Negative. 475 00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:41,860 And I've requested information on SiteShield's account, 476 00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:45,510 but the bank in Panama where the company receives the funds 477 00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:48,340 is citing the privacy of their clients. 478 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:51,210 And we have no jurisdiction to challenge it. 479 00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:53,870 Which is why Costa was funneling the embezzled funds 480 00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:55,390 through them in the first place. 481 00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,130 You lost the murder weapon. 482 00:24:00,130 --> 00:24:02,350 This was supposed to be the case you could win. 483 00:24:02,350 --> 00:24:03,620 I still can. 484 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:05,230 Ackerman was on the verge 485 00:24:05,230 --> 00:24:07,580 of exposing SiteShield's responsibility 486 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:09,930 for the six deaths in the Myers-Hamilton fire. 487 00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:12,100 And as the person behind the shell company, 488 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:13,840 David Costa had the most to lose. 489 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,500 Without documentation 490 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:17,930 tying Costa to the shell corporation, 491 00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:19,630 you can't even prove he was involved 492 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:20,940 in the embezzlement scheme. 493 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:23,510 I can do it through Julia McAllister, 494 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:25,030 Ackerman's colleague. 495 00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:26,510 She was writing the article with Ackerman. 496 00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:29,290 She can testify to how he came to suspect Costa. 497 00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:30,730 Good. 498 00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:33,910 But you still need to play to the jury's emotions. 499 00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:36,390 Remind them that the defendant has a lot more 500 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:38,910 than just Jacob Ackerman's blood on his hands. 501 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,580 This was not an accident. 502 00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:54,540 What happened to the people in that building was horrific-- 503 00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:56,230 to be burned alive. 504 00:24:56,230 --> 00:25:00,630 And the tragedy is their deaths could have been avoided. 505 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,890 Ms. McAllister, what did you and Jacob Ackerman discover 506 00:25:04,890 --> 00:25:07,940 in the course of your reporting on the Myers-Hamilton fire? 507 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,160 The city hired a company called SiteShield 508 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,550 to install fire safety doors in that building. 509 00:25:12,550 --> 00:25:14,560 Turned out it was a shell corporation, 510 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,560 and they never did the work they were paid to do. 511 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080 - How much were they paid? - Over $5 million. 512 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,650 And were you able to determine 513 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:23,300 who was behind SiteShield? 514 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:25,000 Yes, I found a source 515 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,920 who had firsthand knowledge of the situation. 516 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,570 And what did the source tell you? 517 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,920 Objection. Calls for hearsay. 518 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,490 May I be heard? 519 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:34,450 I'll see counsel in chambers. 520 00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:38,710 Where are you going with this, Mr. Price? 521 00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:41,240 The witness will testify that she has a source 522 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,280 who told her that they overheard a conversation-- 523 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,280 - This is hearsay. - Hold on. 524 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,590 What is the proffered testimony? 525 00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:48,590 The witness' source overheard a conversation 526 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:51,590 between the defendant and Deputy Mayor Patricia Simonian. 527 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:54,070 The defendant admitted that he was behind SiteShield 528 00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:55,470 and that he was aware 529 00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:57,290 that Jacob Ackerman was about to expose him. 530 00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:58,990 I agree with Mr. Hollins. 531 00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:01,300 It's an admission of guilt 532 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:02,430 by the defendant... - Actually, Your Honor... 533 00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:03,470 And therefore, an exception to the-- 534 00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:05,300 - This is double hearsay. - Double? 535 00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:06,830 McAllister isn't even the one 536 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:09,220 who claims to have overheard this so-called confession. 537 00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:11,790 We have no proof this source even exists. 538 00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:14,310 Can you verify who Ms. McAllister's source is? 539 00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:16,620 Unfortunately, no, Your Honor. 540 00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:19,190 The source only agreed to speak with Ms. McAllister 541 00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:20,540 under the promise of anonymity, 542 00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:22,970 and she's exercising her First Amendment right 543 00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:25,540 to protect their identity. 544 00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,460 I understand that puts you in a bind, 545 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,550 but I need confirmation this person is real. 546 00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:33,590 Without that, I can't allow Ms. McAllister's testimony. 547 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:44,650 I need the name of your source. 548 00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:47,740 I will do everything I can to limit their exposure. 549 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:50,000 And we can request a closed-door hearing. 550 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,390 I can't. I'm sorry. 551 00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:56,830 Ackerman was your friend, right? 552 00:26:56,830 --> 00:26:59,270 Your mentor. 553 00:26:59,270 --> 00:27:01,490 And you're OK letting his killer walk free? 554 00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:05,100 No, I'm not OK with that. 555 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,930 Not even close. 556 00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:09,020 But I can't reveal my source. 557 00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:12,330 I-I just can't. 558 00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:16,030 Jacob would understand too. 559 00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:20,640 He's the one who taught me the importance of integrity. 560 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,900 You live and die as a journalist 561 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:25,770 based on your word. 562 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,690 I'm sorry. 563 00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:32,130 I can't help you. 564 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:42,790 Can you describe the person you saw 565 00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:44,710 running away from Jacob Ackerman's home 566 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:46,670 on the morning of January 8th? 567 00:27:46,670 --> 00:27:49,710 He was wearing this big, green puffy jacket. 568 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:52,110 Was there anything unique about the jacket? 569 00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:55,800 It had a bright, fluorescent orange liner and hood. 570 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,640 Mr. Fulcher, this is a picture of David Costa 571 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,070 taken a week before the murder. 572 00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:04,990 Is the jacket he's wearing in this photo 573 00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:06,730 the same as the one you're describing? 574 00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:09,510 Yes, that's it. No question. 575 00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:12,690 Thank you. Nothing further. 576 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:19,090 Mr. Fulcher, by your own admission, 577 00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:22,140 you never saw this person's face, correct? 578 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:23,700 Yes, that is correct. 579 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,400 In fact, you told police 580 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,490 that you couldn't even tell if the person that you saw 581 00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:30,010 was a man or a woman. 582 00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:32,100 That's true. 583 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:37,410 So what you saw was a person in a ski jacket 584 00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:39,110 running down the street. 585 00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:42,630 He or she was running out of Jacob's home wearing that coat. 586 00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:49,510 But what you can't say beyond a reasonable doubt 587 00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,560 is that my client... 588 00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:56,740 Had anything to do with this murder. 589 00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:02,090 No, I guess not. 590 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:03,920 No further questions. 591 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:11,490 The prosecution is making a lot of noise about a jacket. 592 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:14,540 Do you, in fact, own a green and orange parka? 593 00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:17,230 I did, but I donated it to the Goodwill 594 00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:19,410 a week before the murder. 595 00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:23,630 Your Honor, I'd like to offer a receipt of this donation 596 00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:26,940 and ask that it be marked exhibit 12. 597 00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:33,210 So you're not the person Stephen Fulcher saw 598 00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:35,950 fleeing the scene of Jacob Ackerman's murder? 599 00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:37,860 Absolutely not. I'd never even heard 600 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:41,340 of Jacob Ackerman before I was arrested. 601 00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:42,520 Thank you. 602 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920 Your cell phone location data puts you 603 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,270 within a 12-block radius of Jacob Ackerman's brownstone 604 00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:53,620 on the morning of the murder. 605 00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,970 How do you explain that? - I went out for a run. 606 00:29:57,530 --> 00:29:59,490 You live in Queens. 607 00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:01,760 Jacob Ackerman lived in the West Village. 608 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800 Well, I like to explore different parts of the city. 609 00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:09,810 You familiar with a company called SiteShield? 610 00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:12,380 Your Honor, we're venturing into dangerous waters. 611 00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:14,770 Anything else, Mr. Price? 612 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,740 The idea that anyone would travel 613 00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:30,180 over a body of water and across two boroughs 614 00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:32,310 to jog at 6:00 a.m. on a Sunday morning, 615 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:33,480 it's ludicrous. 616 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,660 But I saw the jurors' faces. 617 00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:36,790 They were entertaining it. 618 00:30:36,790 --> 00:30:38,710 No one likes the idea 619 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:41,400 of condemning a man to life in prison. 620 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,970 Credible or not, 621 00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:46,240 reason to doubt gives them reason to acquit. 622 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,150 I don't see how we come back from this. 623 00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,370 Then maybe it's time to reach out, 624 00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:52,890 discuss a plea. - Maybe not. 625 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:54,850 I just got a call from an attorney 626 00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:56,330 representing Lucas Hobbs. 627 00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:57,900 The neo-Nazi? 628 00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,680 The guy who spraypainted Ackerman's brownstone 629 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,380 the morning of the murder. 630 00:31:02,380 --> 00:31:04,780 What did his lawyer want? 631 00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:12,090 I was watching the news, 632 00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:14,790 and they did a story on your trial. 633 00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:17,530 I recognize that guy you're prosecuting. 634 00:31:17,530 --> 00:31:19,230 You know David Costa? 635 00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:23,140 I saw him the morning of the murder. 636 00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:25,410 Where exactly did this happen? 637 00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:28,970 On Ackerman's block, just a few houses down. 638 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:31,190 After I tagged his house, I was headed back 639 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:33,850 to the subway to go home, and he bumped into me. 640 00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:36,330 So I shoved him, told him to watch where he was going. 641 00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:38,680 Mm, and you remember what he looks like, 642 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160 even though it was months ago? 643 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,550 Yeah, I'm not gonna forget his face. 644 00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:45,690 He pulled a knife on me. 645 00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:47,690 He said that if I knew what was good for me, 646 00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:50,000 I'd watch where I was going. 647 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,910 What did this knife look like? 648 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,430 Blade was about yay big. 649 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:55,910 The handle was kind of gold. 650 00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:58,090 Had, like, pearl and stuff all in it. 651 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:03,920 You notice anything else about the blade? 652 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,970 Um, did it have a straight edge? 653 00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:09,970 No, it was serrated. 654 00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,760 Why didn't you mention this to police 655 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,760 when they questioned you? 656 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,200 Because I'm not a snitch. 657 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,330 Not for free, anyway. 658 00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:23,990 My client is currently being held 659 00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:25,420 on an aggravated assault charge. 660 00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:26,770 We heard. 661 00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,300 Attacked a Jewish woman in broad daylight, 662 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,510 completely unprovoked. 663 00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:32,430 Mr. Hobbs maintains his innocence. 664 00:32:32,430 --> 00:32:35,170 And he would be happy to help in your case 665 00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:37,220 in exchange for your help with his. 666 00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:46,230 What did you have in mind? 667 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:48,010 A dismissal. 668 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,530 He put a young woman in the hospital, 669 00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:52,880 and you want a free pass? 670 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,980 That, or I don't testify. 671 00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:07,590 Are you certain Lucas Hobbs is even telling the truth? 672 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:10,680 Did he really see the defendant at the murder scene? 673 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,820 His description of the knife was spot-on. 674 00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:14,640 And those details were never made public, 675 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,430 so either he is omniscient 676 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:20,260 or he saw Costa holding the knife 677 00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:21,650 a block from the murder scene. 678 00:33:21,650 --> 00:33:24,220 But, Jack, look at this. 679 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:30,140 Hobbs brutally assaulted a 19-year-old Jewish woman 680 00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:32,880 when he overheard her speaking Hebrew with a friend, 681 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,580 and he wants all charges dropped 682 00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:37,540 in exchange for his testimony. 683 00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:41,370 We're talking about a murder case here, Nolan. 684 00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:42,540 Yeah, I understand that. 685 00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:43,850 I was prepared to offer him 686 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:45,980 more leniency than he deserves. 687 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:48,770 But what he did, 688 00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:50,940 he shouldn't be allowed to walk away scot-free. 689 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:54,250 This isn't about what he deserves or doesn't deserve. 690 00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:57,380 It's about getting justice for Jacob Ackerman. 691 00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:58,860 At what expense? 692 00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:01,910 Sarah Khahiri, the young woman Hobbs attacked, 693 00:34:01,910 --> 00:34:05,350 has a fractured spine from when he stomped on her back. 694 00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:08,700 She needs surgery to have her jaw reconstructed. 695 00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:10,700 What happened to her is horrific. 696 00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,790 But she's still alive. 697 00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:16,580 Mr. Ackerman is not. 698 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,280 I'm just not comfortable 699 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,020 giving a neo-Nazi a get-out-of-jail-free card. 700 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:26,020 I'm not. 701 00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:30,940 Especially with all the recent anti-Semitic attacks 702 00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:32,850 and the hate out there, 703 00:34:32,850 --> 00:34:35,120 there's a bigger picture to take into account here. 704 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,690 I have no more tolerance for hate crimes than you do, 705 00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:44,210 and I'm all for adhering to principles, 706 00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:48,000 but not to the exclusion of trying to win a murder case. 707 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,530 So you're demanding that I put this racist, Hobbs, 708 00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:53,610 on the stand? 709 00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:55,960 Can you win without him? 710 00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:02,490 I don't know, but I'm not sure 711 00:35:02,490 --> 00:35:05,760 if it's worth winning like this. 712 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,150 Tell that to Jacob Ackerman's son 713 00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:14,110 and the families of the six people who died in that fire. 714 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:19,160 Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, 715 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,560 but if the cost of convicting someone 716 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,560 responsible for eight deaths, including three children, 717 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,780 is cutting a sweetheart deal with a white supremacist, 718 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:36,610 I'd take that deal all day long. 719 00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:40,140 But this is your case. 720 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:43,010 You're the one who needs to live with your choices, 721 00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:44,970 not me. 722 00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:58,720 And how can you be certain, Mr. Hobbs, 723 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,770 that the man who pulled a knife on you 724 00:36:00,770 --> 00:36:02,990 right outside of Jacob Ackerman's brownstone 725 00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:06,900 that morning was the defendant? 726 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:08,950 I got a really good look at him. 727 00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:10,210 He got right up in my face. 728 00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:12,210 He was all amped up. 729 00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:16,260 I could see it in his eyes that he didn't just have a knife, 730 00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:18,350 he was willing to use it. 731 00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:23,220 Nothing further for this witness. 732 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,140 Mr. Hobbs, you were initially questioned by detectives 733 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:32,490 as a suspect in the murder of Jacob Ackerman, 734 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:33,670 is that not correct? 735 00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:37,110 Yeah, but I didn't do it. 736 00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:39,200 But you didn't mention anything to them 737 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,200 about seeing someone with a knife that morning, 738 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,070 did you? 739 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,380 No. 740 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:48,030 So you knew Ackerman got stabbed, 741 00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:51,250 and you now are claiming that you saw someone 742 00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:54,120 brandishing a knife outside his home, 743 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,040 but you didn't think that information was pertinent? 744 00:36:58,610 --> 00:37:02,790 I don't really have the best relationship with the police. 745 00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:07,360 Well, that's putting it lightly. 746 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,530 In fact, you were charged 747 00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:13,230 with vandalizing Ackerman's house 748 00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:16,540 with anti-Semitic graffiti, isn't that correct? 749 00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:17,890 Yeah. 750 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:19,240 And you've been charged 751 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,800 with several other crimes since then, haven't you? 752 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,240 Objection. The witness is not on trial. 753 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,460 - Sustained. - We'll try another way. 754 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:30,550 Um, Mr. Hobbs, are you currently on trial 755 00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:34,300 for the assault of a 19-year-old Jewish girl? 756 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:35,780 I'm innocent. 757 00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:38,130 And is your testimony here today 758 00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:40,080 in exchange for the district attorney 759 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,000 giving you a full dismissal of that case? 760 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,920 Yes, it is. 761 00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:51,750 I have no further questions. 762 00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:53,970 Any redirect, Mr. Price? 763 00:38:02,370 --> 00:38:07,680 Mr. Hobbs, you are a member of the Wolves of Vanguard, 764 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,330 an organization that's associated 765 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,680 with the neo-Nazi party, correct? 766 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,030 Yeah. 767 00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:18,250 So when someone kills 768 00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:21,300 a prominent Jewish figure like Jacob Ackerman, 769 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,350 if anything, you're more likely 770 00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:29,180 to lie to protect them, not incriminate them. 771 00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:30,610 Isn't that fair to say? 772 00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:31,870 If I'm being real with you, 773 00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:34,700 I hate that I'm testifying against that guy. 774 00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:36,440 I got no beef with him. 775 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,970 But I saw what I saw. 776 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,800 He was there, and he had a knife. 777 00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:10,350 Has the jury reached a verdict? 778 00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:15,050 We have, Your Honor. 779 00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:18,490 On the charge of murder in the second degree, 780 00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:21,660 we find the defendant, David Costa... 781 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,060 guilty. 782 00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:43,510 Hey. It all worked out, huh? 783 00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:46,560 I appreciate you keeping up your end of the bargain. 784 00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:50,910 It was a one-time deal. 785 00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:54,090 You commit any crimes moving forward, 786 00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:56,260 I will make sure you are prosecuted 787 00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:59,090 to the maximum extent of the law. 788 00:40:00,830 --> 00:40:03,050 Good doing business with you. 789 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,410 You made the right call. 790 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:20,110 I'll see you tomorrow. 59467

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