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- In the criminal
justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate, yet
equally important groups:
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the police, who
investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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- Yo.
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Yo.
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Hey!
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Yo, what you running for?
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Hey!
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- Early bird runner
found him laying here.
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- Approximate time of death?
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- MLIs put it somewhere.
- Between 2:00 and 4:00 AM.
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- Witnesses?
- None so far.
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- Yeah, nobody
sees nothing, huh?
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- Eh.
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Blunt force trauma?
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- That'd be my guess.
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- ID?
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- Derek Stanton.
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- Still got his cash.
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Any indication that the
body was moved here?
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- The way the blood has
pooled and the spatter
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on the pavement, I think
it all happened right here.
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- My boy had quite
the rap sheet.
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Just got out of Fishkill
nine months ago.
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- What was he in for?
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- Selling marijuana.
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Served four years.
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- Four years for selling weed?
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- Crazy.
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- Times have changed.
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Surveillance footage from
the park near the crime scene
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shows a guy wailing on Stanton.
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But it doesn't capture
the whole thing.
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- Damn.
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Do we have any better
video than this?
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- It's the only video we got.
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There weren't many
cameras in the area.
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- I can't even make out his
face or even a skin color.
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- But it's clear that
the assailant and Stanton
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are about the same size,
so we're looking for a guy
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who's about 6 feet tall.
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- What else do we know?
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- Well, the ME
thinks that the perp
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might have been wearing a ring
with some kind of stone in it.
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- So did we run the
vic's body for DNA?
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- Yeah, they took samples,
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but the backlog's a
few weeks out minimum.
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- All right, well,
just keep digging in.
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You know, given
this guy's history,
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it could be related to drugs
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or maybe even his time
in Fishkill or both.
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- Hey, I found
something interesting
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on the vic's phone.
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Past week, Stanton made 28 calls
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to a man named Jordan Spall,
but he never answered.
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- So the vic's calling Spall,
Spall's not picking up.
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There's got to be a good reason.
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Did Spall ever serve time?
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- Sure did.
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Armed assault, sentenced
to five years at Fishkill.
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Got out a few months ago.
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- He's probably still on parole.
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- Jordan Spall hasn't
missed an appointment,
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hasn't failed a urine
test, hasn't re-offended,
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at least not yet.
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- You know, since we're here,
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would you mind seeing
what you could find out
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about our vic, Derek Stanton?
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He's a Fishkill alum.
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- According to Stanton's chart,
he was a model parolee, too.
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- Was he a model prisoner?
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- Looks like Stanton
was disciplined
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a few times for fighting.
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- 20 bucks says he was
scrapping with Spall.
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- As a matter of fact.
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- Where's Spall living now?
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- Is that him?
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- Looks like it.
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Jordan Spall, I'd like
to have a word with you.
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Jordan.
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Hey!
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- I've got this side.
- 27 Squad to Central.
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10-85.
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Black male, 30s, blue
jeans, green hoodie
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under a black jacket.
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In pursuit, Cherry
Street flea market.
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- NYPD.
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Police, police.
It's OK. It's OK.
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Watch yourself. Watch yourself.
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Spall!
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- It's... it's the shoes. Sorry.
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- Whoa, whoa, whoa!
- Watch out!
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- Oh, my God!
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Watch out!
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- Give me your hands. Stay down.
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Stay down.
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- Usain Bolt.
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- I didn't have anything to
do with killing Derek Stanton.
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- So why'd you run
when you saw us then?
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- 'Cause I had weed on me.
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- Bro, having weed on
you this day and age?
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You're not gonna get
in trouble for that.
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But beating Derek
Stanton to death,
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that'll get your ass
locked back up in genpop.
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- What?
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I didn't even know
Derek was dead.
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- Oh, we'd like to
believe you, Jordan.
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We really would.
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Unfortunately, we're
homicide detectives,
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so we don't believe anybody.
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So help us out.
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Where were you this morning
between 2:00 AM and 4:00 AM?
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- In my bed at the
halfway house, sleeping.
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You could check with the
tight-ass supervisor.
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Dude watches like a hawk.
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- Why was Stanton
calling you so much?
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- Don't know, don't care.
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I didn't like the dude,
so I ignored his calls.
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- Jordan, come on.
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Either we tell your PO how
cooperative you were, or...
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- Or we tell her something else.
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- All right.
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I heard Derek was reaching
out to a bunch of ex-cons,
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trying to put together
a crew, make some money.
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- Doing what?
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- Word is, they was
meeting at a pizza place
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near the projects
on Pitt Street.
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That's all I know.
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- Window was busted when
I got here this morning.
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- What time was that?
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6:00 AM.
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Derek was supposed to be here.
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I thought maybe
it was a robbery,
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but nothing's missing.
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- So you work here?
- Assistant manager.
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- Where were you
late last night?
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- In my room.
- Can anyone verify that?
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- I live in a group
home. You can check.
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There's lots of cameras.
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- Why was Derek here so early?
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- Gotten the lease
to this pizzeria,
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and he was working
around the clock
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to get it off the ground.
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Grand opening's tomorrow.
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Well, it was supposed
to be anyway.
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- How'd you know Derek?
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- Fishkill.
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- What were you in for?
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- Heroin.
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Picked the wrong time to
be an addict, you know?
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Nowadays, they bend over
backwards to get you help.
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Back then, we were
hardened criminals, man.
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- We heard Derek
had been meeting
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with a bunch of ex-cons. You
know anything about that?
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- Just trying to put together
a team to open more pizzerias.
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Wanted to help.
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Was going to give us a
piece of the action, too.
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- That's it?
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There was nothing else going on?
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- He was just trying to
help a bunch of ex-cons out.
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- Sounds like a good dude.
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- He was.
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- You know anybody who
didn't feel that way?
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Anybody who might
have wanted him dead?
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Last few months, he's
been all about making amends.
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Kept his nose real clean.
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Spent a lot of time
with his daughter, too.
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- Sonya, Lena,
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I am terribly sorry that
we have some very bad news.
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Your father and your ex-husband
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was found murdered.
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I can't believe that he's gone.
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I just got him back.
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He spent all those years
in prison over weed.
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He finally gets
out, and then this?
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- If you don't mind my asking,
why have you moved here?
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Does it have anything
to do with your father?
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Was he violent to
either one of you?
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- No.
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Never.
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- No, Derek wasn't
about any of that.
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He had his issues, sure, but...
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he never raised his voice or
his hands to either one of us.
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- So why are you here?
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Who are you afraid of?
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- My husband, William.
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He's got a temper.
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And when Derek got out of
prison, things just got worse.
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We just needed to get
away for a little while
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until things calmed down.
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- Did your husband and Derek,
they ever argue or fight?
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- Yes.
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The last time my father
came to the house,
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William chased him out.
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He said he was
going to kill him.
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- I don't care what
them girls said.
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They're crazy,
tripping over nothing.
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I ain't lay a hand on
either one of them.
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- What about Derek Stanton?
You ever lay a hand on him?
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- No, sir.
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Wanted to, but I never did.
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Punk-ass drug dealer
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thought he could just walk
back into everybody's life.
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- Lena's daughter said you
threatened to kill him.
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- I did.
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Meant it, too.
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But I didn't kill nobody.
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- Where were you last
night after midnight?
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- Midnight? I couldn't sleep.
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Got a lot on my mind.
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So I went for a walk.
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- You remember where?
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- Around.
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- How about we take a walk
around to the precinct
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and jog your memory?
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- Lawyer.
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- Do we have any evidence
that puts William Barnes
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and Derek Stanton together
on the morning of the murder?
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- I've dug through
every surveillance video
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from the neighborhood.
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Tracked Barnes on
his late night walk.
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He heads north on Avenue C
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in the general direction
of the pizzeria.
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He never crosses
paths with Stanton.
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- Do we have any video of him
actually near the pizzeria?
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- This is him two blocks east.
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It's the closest he gets,
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and then he crosses the
street away from the pizzeria.
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What's that?
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Top right hand corner.
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- Looks like a dude
throwing something.
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- What's he throwing,
like rocks or something?
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- There's another camera that
should cover that corner.
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- Dude's throwing rocks
right next to where
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Stanton got his window
broken that night.
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And now he's headed
straight for the pizzeria.
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- Can you pull up the video
of the actual assault?
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- Same body size, same
type of hoodie, sneakers.
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- And if I'm not mistaken,
that's a ring on his finger.
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Just like the M.E. said.
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- I think we might
have our killer.
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- Yup.
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Now we just got to find him.
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- Looks like he made
his way down the street,
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and for some dumb-ass reason,
just kept throwing rocks.
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- Yeah, Stanton must
have been in the pizzeria
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when the rock came
through the window,
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chased the kid down,
confronted him.
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- Excuse me.
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You work here nights?
- Yeah.
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- You think you might have
seen this young man around here
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a couple nights ago?
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00:12:55,885 --> 00:12:57,678
- Sorry, doesn't look familiar.
258
00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,013
- Thanks.
259
00:13:01,682 --> 00:13:03,768
- Yeah, I remember that kid.
260
00:13:03,809 --> 00:13:05,729
Came in the other night
just before we closed up.
261
00:13:05,738 --> 00:13:06,738
- What time was that?
262
00:13:06,771 --> 00:13:09,065
- Um, midnight.
- You sure it's him?
263
00:13:09,106 --> 00:13:11,567
- Yeah. Thought he was handsome.
264
00:13:11,609 --> 00:13:13,069
- Did he buy anything?
265
00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:15,863
- No, he didn't have a card,
266
00:13:15,905 --> 00:13:18,282
but his friend did.
267
00:13:18,324 --> 00:13:20,368
- You have a record
of that transaction?
268
00:13:20,409 --> 00:13:23,162
- Yeah, I could
probably pull it up.
269
00:13:23,204 --> 00:13:26,749
- You can drink it now?
270
00:13:26,791 --> 00:13:29,710
- Kyle Brimmer.
271
00:13:29,752 --> 00:13:33,256
- Let's start with who you
were with at the dispensary.
272
00:13:33,297 --> 00:13:36,425
- Just to be clear, Kyle has
no knowledge of any crime.
273
00:13:36,467 --> 00:13:38,261
He was home in bed
in his parents' condo
274
00:13:38,302 --> 00:13:39,887
an hour before the homicide.
275
00:13:39,929 --> 00:13:42,139
- Yeah, we got that. We
saw the surveillance video.
276
00:13:42,181 --> 00:13:44,475
So right now, the only way
Kyle can get into trouble
277
00:13:44,517 --> 00:13:47,144
is by lying to us.
278
00:13:47,186 --> 00:13:49,939
So who were you with?
279
00:13:49,981 --> 00:13:51,315
- Jesse Erickson.
280
00:13:51,357 --> 00:13:53,276
- And how do you know Jesse?
281
00:13:53,317 --> 00:13:55,486
- We're in the same
class at Martindale.
282
00:13:55,528 --> 00:13:58,447
- Martindale? The prep school?
283
00:13:58,489 --> 00:13:59,729
- Why don't you walk us through
284
00:13:59,738 --> 00:14:01,367
what you and Jesse
did that night?
285
00:14:01,409 --> 00:14:03,786
- Well, I just got my weed
card, so we wanted to...
286
00:14:03,828 --> 00:14:05,705
- They're giving out
medical marijuana cards
287
00:14:05,746 --> 00:14:07,456
to prep school seniors now?
288
00:14:07,498 --> 00:14:10,293
- My client has an exemption
for an anxiety disorder.
289
00:14:10,334 --> 00:14:12,003
- Of course he does.
290
00:14:12,044 --> 00:14:13,963
So you and Jesse,
you go downtown
291
00:14:14,005 --> 00:14:16,465
to buy some cannabis, what,
around, like, what, 11 o'clock?
292
00:14:16,507 --> 00:14:19,260
- Yeah, Jesse
wanted to get high.
293
00:14:19,302 --> 00:14:21,345
And he kept bugging me to
take him to a dispensary.
294
00:14:21,387 --> 00:14:23,764
So we bought some dabs.
295
00:14:23,806 --> 00:14:26,642
- Concentrated hash oil.
296
00:14:26,684 --> 00:14:27,893
Then what?
297
00:14:27,935 --> 00:14:30,021
- We went to some diner,
had a couple of burgers,
298
00:14:30,062 --> 00:14:31,314
and then I left.
299
00:14:31,355 --> 00:14:33,065
I took an Uber at 1:08 AM.
300
00:14:33,107 --> 00:14:34,775
I have the receipt.
301
00:14:34,817 --> 00:14:38,613
- How about your boy, Jesse?
302
00:14:38,654 --> 00:14:41,908
- Well, he didn't want to leave.
303
00:14:41,949 --> 00:14:43,229
He said he wanted to walk around
304
00:14:43,238 --> 00:14:46,245
and explore the East Village.
305
00:14:46,287 --> 00:14:51,167
I told him to come with
me, but he sort of ran off.
306
00:14:51,208 --> 00:14:54,712
- Ran off?
307
00:14:54,754 --> 00:14:56,672
- Yeah.
308
00:14:56,714 --> 00:14:59,216
It was really weird.
309
00:15:01,886 --> 00:15:04,597
- Jesse Erickson, 18 years old,
lives on the Upper East Side
310
00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:06,057
with his investment
banker father
311
00:15:06,098 --> 00:15:07,516
and his book editor mother.
312
00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:09,560
- He's a senior at Martindale.
313
00:15:09,602 --> 00:15:12,021
- Fancy.
- He's a star varsity athlete
314
00:15:12,063 --> 00:15:13,397
and in the top 10% of his class.
315
00:15:13,439 --> 00:15:15,358
- Any discipline problems?
316
00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:17,526
- No, he just won a
citizenship award.
317
00:15:17,568 --> 00:15:19,987
- Good kid, good family,
never been in any trouble.
318
00:15:20,029 --> 00:15:23,699
- And yet he brutally
beats an ex-con to death?
319
00:15:23,741 --> 00:15:25,034
I don't know. Why?
320
00:15:25,076 --> 00:15:26,869
- That is the million
dollar question.
321
00:15:28,955 --> 00:15:31,874
OK, I'll call for a warrant.
322
00:15:31,916 --> 00:15:33,709
- There's got to be
some kind of mistake.
323
00:15:33,751 --> 00:15:35,920
- Mr. Erickson, just tell
us if Jesse is here or not.
324
00:15:35,962 --> 00:15:37,797
- Jesse is a kind
and lovely boy.
325
00:15:37,838 --> 00:15:39,215
You can ask anyone.
326
00:15:39,257 --> 00:15:41,008
- We need to speak
with Jesse now.
327
00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:43,386
- Well, you can't treat him
like he's some common criminal.
328
00:15:43,427 --> 00:15:44,987
- We're treating him
like he's a suspect
329
00:15:44,996 --> 00:15:46,847
in a murder investigation.
330
00:15:46,889 --> 00:15:50,059
- Sounds like he's down here.
331
00:15:50,101 --> 00:15:52,478
Young man, will you
stand up please?
332
00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,437
Stand up.
333
00:15:53,479 --> 00:15:54,638
Put your hands behind your back.
334
00:15:54,647 --> 00:15:55,764
- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
- Jesse Erickson,
335
00:15:55,773 --> 00:15:57,413
we're placing you under
arrest for murder.
336
00:15:57,441 --> 00:15:59,161
- Hold on, hold on.
- Do what they say, son.
337
00:15:59,185 --> 00:16:00,844
And don't say a word, no
matter what they tell you
338
00:16:00,853 --> 00:16:02,905
or promise you.
- What happened to your hand?
339
00:16:02,947 --> 00:16:05,157
- So me and my buddy...
- Don't answer that.
340
00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:06,993
- Dad, help me!
341
00:16:07,034 --> 00:16:08,369
- I will.
342
00:16:08,411 --> 00:16:09,704
Now, remember, don't say a word.
343
00:16:09,745 --> 00:16:11,205
- Let's go.
344
00:16:15,585 --> 00:16:17,587
- Calling docket ending in 9710,
345
00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:19,297
People versus Jesse Erickson,
346
00:16:19,338 --> 00:16:21,424
charged with murder
in the second degree.
347
00:16:21,465 --> 00:16:24,176
- I'll hear you on
bail, Ms. Maroun?
348
00:16:24,218 --> 00:16:29,015
- This was a brutal, unprovoked
attack on a defenseless man.
349
00:16:29,056 --> 00:16:30,600
The defendant threw a rock,
350
00:16:30,641 --> 00:16:33,394
smashing Derek Stanton's
pizza shop window.
351
00:16:33,436 --> 00:16:36,522
When confronted about
it, the defendant reacted
352
00:16:36,564 --> 00:16:38,941
by beating Derek
Stanton to death
353
00:16:38,983 --> 00:16:40,401
with his bare hands.
354
00:16:40,443 --> 00:16:43,738
He's facing life in prison,
has tremendous resources,
355
00:16:43,779 --> 00:16:46,824
and has every incentive
to flee the jurisdiction.
356
00:16:46,866 --> 00:16:48,743
The People submit
that no amount of bail
357
00:16:48,784 --> 00:16:50,328
will secure his
appearance at trial.
358
00:16:50,369 --> 00:16:51,871
We're seeking remand.
359
00:16:51,913 --> 00:16:53,372
- Mr. Thorpe.
360
00:16:53,414 --> 00:16:55,458
- Holding my client without bail
361
00:16:55,499 --> 00:16:57,335
is completely uncalled for.
362
00:16:57,376 --> 00:16:59,462
My client is a
high school student
363
00:16:59,503 --> 00:17:01,255
with no criminal history,
364
00:17:01,297 --> 00:17:03,215
which is more than I
can say for Mr. Stanton.
365
00:17:03,257 --> 00:17:05,176
- Well, the People
have a strong case.
366
00:17:05,217 --> 00:17:07,261
The attack was
captured on video.
367
00:17:07,303 --> 00:17:09,805
- A portion of the
attack was captured.
368
00:17:09,847 --> 00:17:11,974
Mr. Erickson was in an
unfamiliar neighborhood
369
00:17:12,016 --> 00:17:14,101
when he came upon a criminal
370
00:17:14,143 --> 00:17:15,978
who confronted and
threatened him.
371
00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:18,356
He panicked and he fought back.
372
00:17:18,397 --> 00:17:20,942
And we expect a full
exoneration at trial.
373
00:17:20,983 --> 00:17:23,736
I'd also point out that
Mr. Erickson is a valued member
374
00:17:23,778 --> 00:17:25,363
of his community.
375
00:17:25,404 --> 00:17:29,033
His parents are
here, his classmates,
376
00:17:29,075 --> 00:17:31,661
his teammates, his minister.
377
00:17:31,702 --> 00:17:35,831
- OK, I'm setting a
$2 million cash bail.
378
00:17:35,873 --> 00:17:38,000
- His parents will
post forthwith.
379
00:17:39,210 --> 00:17:41,170
- Next case please.
380
00:17:48,719 --> 00:17:50,439
- They're making my dad
out to be a monster.
381
00:17:50,471 --> 00:17:52,723
- Well, it's just
a legal tactic, OK?
382
00:17:52,765 --> 00:17:55,434
It doesn't mean anything.
- It does to me.
383
00:17:55,476 --> 00:17:57,853
My dad was the victim.
They called him a criminal.
384
00:17:57,895 --> 00:18:00,356
- It's what lawyers do.
385
00:18:00,398 --> 00:18:02,525
- He was trying to
turn his life around,
386
00:18:02,567 --> 00:18:05,444
be a better person,
a better dad.
387
00:18:05,486 --> 00:18:08,364
- I know this must be hard.
388
00:18:08,406 --> 00:18:13,286
Losing a family member
is a pain like no other.
389
00:18:14,912 --> 00:18:17,790
It just never goes away.
390
00:18:22,295 --> 00:18:26,424
- His family can buy
his way out of this.
391
00:18:26,465 --> 00:18:29,927
Who's going to stand up
for my family, for my dad?
392
00:18:29,969 --> 00:18:32,555
- I will. I promise.
393
00:18:32,597 --> 00:18:34,932
I'm... I'm going to
do everything I can
394
00:18:34,974 --> 00:18:37,602
to honor his memory.
395
00:18:53,785 --> 00:18:55,954
- Nice. What's the occasion?
396
00:18:55,996 --> 00:19:01,919
- Oh, it's the anniversary
of my sister's death.
397
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,004
- Oh, I'm sorry.
398
00:19:04,046 --> 00:19:06,173
It's OK.
399
00:19:06,215 --> 00:19:07,883
Yeah, every... every year,
400
00:19:07,925 --> 00:19:10,344
my parents send me yellow roses.
401
00:19:10,385 --> 00:19:13,055
It was her favorite flower.
402
00:19:13,096 --> 00:19:14,681
- That's nice.
403
00:19:14,723 --> 00:19:16,642
- Yeah.
404
00:19:16,683 --> 00:19:19,436
So it definitely looks like
405
00:19:19,478 --> 00:19:21,772
Erickson is going to
claim self-defense.
406
00:19:21,814 --> 00:19:23,524
- It makes sense.
407
00:19:23,565 --> 00:19:26,777
Derek Stanton was poor.
He had a criminal record.
408
00:19:26,819 --> 00:19:29,571
They'll push the narrative that
he was obviously the aggressor.
409
00:19:29,613 --> 00:19:30,948
- It had to be, right?
410
00:19:30,989 --> 00:19:34,284
I mean, he's an
ex-con, sold marijuana.
411
00:19:34,326 --> 00:19:35,702
How evil.
412
00:19:35,744 --> 00:19:37,246
And of course, he's Black, so...
413
00:19:37,287 --> 00:19:38,747
- Right, I get it.
414
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:41,792
There are a lot of unanswered
questions here, though.
415
00:19:41,834 --> 00:19:45,796
High school kid, great
grades, great reputation,
416
00:19:45,838 --> 00:19:48,632
no history of violence,
crosses paths with a felon.
417
00:19:48,674 --> 00:19:51,301
- A felon? He's a victim.
418
00:19:51,343 --> 00:19:53,929
- No, I understand, Sam.
I'm just stating a fact.
419
00:19:53,971 --> 00:19:56,890
- Question is, can
we prove murder two?
420
00:19:56,932 --> 00:19:59,059
Show that it was
an intentional act,
421
00:19:59,101 --> 00:20:02,521
or was it something else, a
fistfight, mutual combatants?
422
00:20:02,563 --> 00:20:03,939
- Not sure just yet.
423
00:20:03,981 --> 00:20:06,650
We need to figure
out motive first
424
00:20:06,692 --> 00:20:10,070
or offer a plea to
a reduced charge.
425
00:20:10,112 --> 00:20:12,114
Man one?
- Plead him out?
426
00:20:12,156 --> 00:20:13,615
Just like that?
427
00:20:13,657 --> 00:20:15,033
- Well, unless more
evidence drops,
428
00:20:15,075 --> 00:20:16,827
this is going to be a
tough case to prove.
429
00:20:16,869 --> 00:20:19,788
- Why? Because the defendant
is a rich white kid?
430
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:21,331
- Excuse me?
431
00:20:21,373 --> 00:20:23,693
- If a poor Black kid beat the
hell out of Stanton, then...
432
00:20:23,702 --> 00:20:25,961
- Then we'd still
need to prove motive.
433
00:20:26,003 --> 00:20:28,630
And that's not what happened.
A rich white kid did it.
434
00:20:28,672 --> 00:20:31,175
And right or wrong,
fair or unfair,
435
00:20:31,216 --> 00:20:32,801
that's the case we're trying.
436
00:20:32,843 --> 00:20:35,679
- I understand, but
Ms. Maroun has a point.
437
00:20:35,721 --> 00:20:37,347
Even though the
facts are confusing,
438
00:20:37,389 --> 00:20:40,142
we need to be aware
of the optics.
439
00:20:40,184 --> 00:20:41,310
- Fine.
440
00:20:41,351 --> 00:20:43,645
I'll press forward
with murder two.
441
00:20:43,687 --> 00:20:45,814
- Good. But get ready
for the defense.
442
00:20:45,856 --> 00:20:47,696
They're going to attack
the victim's character,
443
00:20:47,705 --> 00:20:49,651
blame him for his own murder,
444
00:20:49,693 --> 00:20:52,112
so you'll need to
counteract that.
445
00:20:52,154 --> 00:20:55,949
Find some way to level
the playing field.
446
00:21:07,704 --> 00:21:09,704
- The people would like to
call character witnesses
447
00:21:09,713 --> 00:21:11,298
on behalf of Derek Stanton.
448
00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:12,466
- The victim?
449
00:21:12,508 --> 00:21:13,842
- Yes, to demonstrate
that he was
450
00:21:13,884 --> 00:21:16,803
a peaceful, hardworking
member of his community,
451
00:21:16,845 --> 00:21:18,096
far different from the way
452
00:21:18,138 --> 00:21:19,578
the defense is trying
to portray him.
453
00:21:19,587 --> 00:21:22,518
- Your Honor, Rule
4.11 allows a defendant
454
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:24,353
to call character
witnesses, not the victim.
455
00:21:24,394 --> 00:21:26,313
- But there's
nothing in the rules
456
00:21:26,355 --> 00:21:27,856
that specifically precludes it.
457
00:21:27,898 --> 00:21:30,400
- Nice try, Mr. Price, but
I agree with Mr. Thorpe.
458
00:21:30,442 --> 00:21:31,722
If you want to change the rules,
459
00:21:31,731 --> 00:21:35,364
take it up with the
state legislature.
460
00:21:35,405 --> 00:21:37,741
- Thank you, Your Honor.
461
00:21:37,783 --> 00:21:40,077
Defense's witness
list is unbelievable.
462
00:21:40,118 --> 00:21:41,870
There's a federal judge?
463
00:21:41,912 --> 00:21:45,374
The CEO of a
Fortune 500 company,
464
00:21:45,415 --> 00:21:47,376
the head of a
charitable foundation?
465
00:21:47,417 --> 00:21:48,857
All nine of these
character witnesses
466
00:21:48,866 --> 00:21:50,796
are incredibly impressive.
467
00:21:50,838 --> 00:21:52,130
- That's what the wealthy do
468
00:21:52,172 --> 00:21:53,799
when their backs are
up against the wall.
469
00:21:53,841 --> 00:21:57,719
They band together,
protect their own.
470
00:21:57,761 --> 00:22:00,889
- Well, that may be true,
but the question remains.
471
00:22:00,931 --> 00:22:03,559
Why did Jesse Erickson,
who, by all accounts,
472
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,603
was a good kid, rich or not,
473
00:22:06,645 --> 00:22:09,273
suddenly decide to beat
a stranger to death?
474
00:22:09,314 --> 00:22:10,482
- I don't know.
475
00:22:10,524 --> 00:22:12,004
And legally, it
doesn't really matter.
476
00:22:12,013 --> 00:22:14,236
- Uh, no, I'm not so
sure about that, Sam.
477
00:22:14,278 --> 00:22:16,405
If we don't know what
precipitated the fight...
478
00:22:16,446 --> 00:22:18,574
- It was an attack, not a fight.
479
00:22:18,615 --> 00:22:19,867
- You saw the video.
480
00:22:19,908 --> 00:22:21,743
- But we don't know
what happened before,
481
00:22:21,785 --> 00:22:23,162
and that's relevant.
482
00:22:23,203 --> 00:22:25,163
The jury's going to want
to know the full picture.
483
00:22:25,187 --> 00:22:26,772
- I understand, and
we'll keep looking,
484
00:22:26,813 --> 00:22:30,794
but for now, since we can't
explain why Erickson did it,
485
00:22:30,836 --> 00:22:34,131
let's focus on the horror
of what he actually did.
486
00:22:37,176 --> 00:22:40,679
- Mr. Stanton had a
shattered occipital bone.
487
00:22:40,721 --> 00:22:42,598
That's the bone that's
in the back of the head
488
00:22:42,639 --> 00:22:44,850
that connects to
the cervical spine.
489
00:22:44,892 --> 00:22:47,477
It essentially
protects the brain.
490
00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:49,771
He also had several
other broken bones...
491
00:22:49,813 --> 00:22:53,984
His nose, his eye
socket, his jaw.
492
00:22:54,026 --> 00:22:56,987
- Did you make a ruling
as to the cause of death?
493
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:59,948
- Cranial cerebral
trauma so severe
494
00:22:59,990 --> 00:23:03,577
that the brain hemorrhaged
and flooded with blood.
495
00:23:06,163 --> 00:23:09,500
- Were there wounds on
Mr. Stanton's torso?
496
00:23:09,541 --> 00:23:11,376
- He had three broken ribs.
497
00:23:11,418 --> 00:23:14,546
- Did you form an opinion as to
how he sustained those wounds?
498
00:23:14,588 --> 00:23:17,633
- Mr. Stanton had been
kicked four times.
499
00:23:17,674 --> 00:23:19,676
- I have nothing further.
500
00:23:21,345 --> 00:23:24,264
- We've all seen the video of
the fight and the crime scene
501
00:23:24,306 --> 00:23:28,227
photos, but you don't know why
my client had an altercation
502
00:23:28,268 --> 00:23:29,686
with Mr. Stanton, do you?
503
00:23:29,728 --> 00:23:31,480
- No, I have no idea.
504
00:23:31,522 --> 00:23:34,274
- So you don't know if my
client was protecting himself.
505
00:23:34,316 --> 00:23:35,984
- I don't.
506
00:23:36,026 --> 00:23:38,445
- Thank you.
507
00:23:38,487 --> 00:23:41,156
- Were there any
scrapes or bruises
508
00:23:41,198 --> 00:23:44,576
on Mr. Stanton's fists, on
his palms, on his forearms?
509
00:23:44,618 --> 00:23:45,994
- No.
510
00:23:46,036 --> 00:23:48,163
- Any wounds which suggest
he was the aggressor?
511
00:23:48,205 --> 00:23:49,706
- Nothing like that.
512
00:23:49,748 --> 00:23:52,209
- And there was no indication
he had a weapon of any kind?
513
00:23:52,251 --> 00:23:53,669
- Correct.
514
00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:55,963
- And Mr. Stanton
was 2 inches shorter
515
00:23:56,004 --> 00:23:59,132
and 40 pounds lighter
than the defendant?
516
00:23:59,174 --> 00:24:00,467
- That's true.
517
00:24:00,509 --> 00:24:02,029
- And no drugs in
Mr. Stanton's system?
518
00:24:02,052 --> 00:24:04,388
- Toxicology was
negative for alcohol
519
00:24:04,429 --> 00:24:06,265
and controlled substances.
520
00:24:06,306 --> 00:24:08,392
- Nothing further.
521
00:24:15,482 --> 00:24:17,359
The M.E. did a good job,
522
00:24:17,401 --> 00:24:20,320
but I think we still
need a few more witnesses
523
00:24:20,362 --> 00:24:22,990
to help offset the
self-defense claim.
524
00:24:23,031 --> 00:24:25,200
- Like who?
- Not sure.
525
00:24:25,242 --> 00:24:27,119
Someone who can speak
to his state of mind
526
00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:30,372
prior to his death, someone who
can say he was in a good mood,
527
00:24:30,414 --> 00:24:33,458
he was focused on the
opening of his pizzeria.
528
00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:34,960
- Well, I'll look into it.
529
00:24:35,002 --> 00:24:38,881
But if you ask me, I think
the M.E. pretty much destroyed
530
00:24:38,922 --> 00:24:41,341
their self-defense argument.
531
00:24:41,383 --> 00:24:43,423
- We still have no idea why
this kid killed Stanton.
532
00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:46,096
Whole thing still
doesn't make any sense.
533
00:24:46,138 --> 00:24:49,725
- Defense just
changed their plea.
534
00:24:49,766 --> 00:24:52,060
- Their plea? To what?
535
00:24:52,102 --> 00:24:54,605
- Not guilty by reason
of mental defect.
536
00:24:54,646 --> 00:24:56,190
- He's claiming insanity?
537
00:24:56,231 --> 00:24:58,233
- They're alleging
Jesse Erickson
538
00:24:58,275 --> 00:25:01,320
had a mental impairment when
he killed Derek Stanton.
539
00:25:01,361 --> 00:25:02,571
- What's the impairment?
540
00:25:02,613 --> 00:25:05,073
- Cannabis intoxication.
541
00:25:05,115 --> 00:25:08,368
- They're using marijuana
as the basis for a...
542
00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:11,288
For an insanity defense?
543
00:25:16,876 --> 00:25:18,676
- I understand you'd
like to change your plea.
544
00:25:19,212 --> 00:25:21,047
- We plan to present
evidence that my client
545
00:25:21,089 --> 00:25:22,882
was in the throes of
a psychotic episode
546
00:25:22,924 --> 00:25:24,509
the night of
Mr. Stanton's death.
547
00:25:24,551 --> 00:25:27,679
My client went to a dispensary
earlier and bought cannabis.
548
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,480
- Yeah, something you've
gone out of your way
549
00:25:29,489 --> 00:25:30,974
to denigrate
Mr. Stanton for doing.
550
00:25:31,015 --> 00:25:33,643
- We denigrated him for selling
it, for committing a felony.
551
00:25:33,685 --> 00:25:35,144
- Regardless,
552
00:25:35,186 --> 00:25:37,897
if the defendant voluntarily
ingested an intoxicant,
553
00:25:37,939 --> 00:25:40,942
he can't turn around
now and claim insanity.
554
00:25:40,984 --> 00:25:42,544
- My client didn't
understand how potent
555
00:25:42,553 --> 00:25:44,070
this dose of cannabis was.
556
00:25:44,112 --> 00:25:46,072
No idea what it could do to him.
557
00:25:46,114 --> 00:25:48,283
That means his consumption
wasn't voluntary.
558
00:25:48,324 --> 00:25:49,909
- I've never seen
a claim of insanity
559
00:25:49,951 --> 00:25:51,411
based on marijuana usage.
560
00:25:51,452 --> 00:25:53,496
Do you have any science
to back that up?
561
00:25:53,538 --> 00:25:55,915
- Data from medical journals
detailing the frequency
562
00:25:55,957 --> 00:25:57,750
of cannabis-induced psychosis
563
00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,669
and a board-certified
psychiatrist
564
00:25:59,711 --> 00:26:01,504
who will testify
that my client was
565
00:26:01,546 --> 00:26:03,172
in the midst of such a psychosis
566
00:26:03,214 --> 00:26:06,009
when he came across Mr. Stanton.
567
00:26:06,050 --> 00:26:08,303
- Well, if that's your
case that you present,
568
00:26:08,344 --> 00:26:09,470
I'm OK with it.
569
00:26:09,512 --> 00:26:11,764
I'll grant the
defendant's request.
570
00:26:11,806 --> 00:26:13,366
And the People can
call their own expert
571
00:26:13,375 --> 00:26:17,312
to interview the defendant
and challenge the findings.
572
00:26:17,353 --> 00:26:19,397
- I've researched the
potency of the THC
573
00:26:19,439 --> 00:26:21,649
he claims to have ingested,
and I met with the defendant
574
00:26:21,691 --> 00:26:25,153
for approximately two hours,
got a full medical history,
575
00:26:25,195 --> 00:26:27,405
and it's scientifically
possible that the cannabis
576
00:26:27,447 --> 00:26:29,782
caused him to experience
irrational thoughts
577
00:26:29,824 --> 00:26:31,868
and paranoid delusions.
578
00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:33,620
- Possible that pot can
579
00:26:33,661 --> 00:26:35,496
make someone kill
another human being?
580
00:26:35,538 --> 00:26:36,956
- It sounds farfetched.
581
00:26:36,998 --> 00:26:39,000
- But we're talking about pot.
582
00:26:39,042 --> 00:26:41,211
- This sure as hell isn't
the pot I grew up with.
583
00:26:41,252 --> 00:26:45,131
Back in the '90s, the THC level
in marijuana was below 2%.
584
00:26:45,173 --> 00:26:46,716
Now?
585
00:26:46,758 --> 00:26:50,970
Some dispensaries are selling
dabs that are 80% or 90% THC.
586
00:26:51,012 --> 00:26:54,057
Put that in a vape and smoke it?
587
00:26:54,098 --> 00:26:58,061
It can absolutely trigger
a psychotic episode.
588
00:26:58,102 --> 00:27:01,439
If I'm being honest, he
seemed like a good kid
589
00:27:01,481 --> 00:27:05,652
who smoked some really
strong marijuana
590
00:27:05,693 --> 00:27:08,696
and lost his damn mind.
591
00:27:12,408 --> 00:27:16,037
- So you want to concede that
he had an altered mental state
592
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,665
and reduce the charges?
- It makes sense to me.
593
00:27:18,706 --> 00:27:19,832
- Not to me.
594
00:27:19,874 --> 00:27:22,460
He literally beat
Stanton to death.
595
00:27:22,502 --> 00:27:26,339
Each punch required independent
thought and movement.
596
00:27:26,381 --> 00:27:29,342
High or not, his acts
were still intentional.
597
00:27:29,384 --> 00:27:31,594
- Intentional? Our own
doctor believes the defendant
598
00:27:31,636 --> 00:27:33,137
was in a psychotic state.
599
00:27:33,179 --> 00:27:35,974
Not only that, he
ingested the pot legally.
600
00:27:36,015 --> 00:27:39,769
- The legal age is 21, not
18, and for good reason.
601
00:27:39,811 --> 00:27:43,022
The teenage brain is
more susceptible to THC.
602
00:27:43,064 --> 00:27:44,315
- Well, you're making my point.
603
00:27:44,357 --> 00:27:47,652
- No, Erickson knew
he was underage.
604
00:27:47,694 --> 00:27:50,071
That means he assumed the risk.
605
00:27:50,113 --> 00:27:52,365
- Technically, yes, I
suppose, but come on, Jack.
606
00:27:52,407 --> 00:27:54,534
No one on the jury
views marijuana
607
00:27:54,576 --> 00:27:56,369
as an illicit drug anymore.
608
00:27:56,411 --> 00:27:59,455
Man two is the
appropriate charge.
609
00:27:59,497 --> 00:28:01,875
- You saw those
autopsy photos, Nolan.
610
00:28:01,916 --> 00:28:03,918
He pummeled that man to death.
611
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,920
We can't just give this
guy a slap on the wrist.
612
00:28:05,962 --> 00:28:07,282
- We're not
suggesting that we do.
613
00:28:07,291 --> 00:28:10,503
I'll recommend a
minimum of 10 years.
614
00:28:13,177 --> 00:28:16,890
- We're not pleading him out
to man two, not yet anyway.
615
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:22,729
- OK.
616
00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:27,901
If that's what you want to do,
I think Sam should take over.
617
00:28:27,942 --> 00:28:29,152
I'll... I'll sit second chair.
618
00:28:29,194 --> 00:28:33,031
I'll support her as best I can.
619
00:28:33,072 --> 00:28:35,575
I don't see murder two here.
620
00:28:35,617 --> 00:28:36,868
I just don't.
621
00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:38,828
But you do.
622
00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:47,045
- Are you good with that?
623
00:28:47,086 --> 00:28:49,756
- Yes, absolutely.
624
00:29:00,534 --> 00:29:02,134
- Tell the jurors what
happened the night
625
00:29:02,143 --> 00:29:05,021
of Mr. Stanton's death.
626
00:29:05,063 --> 00:29:08,107
- My friend, Kyle, he
has a cannabis card.
627
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:11,319
So it means he can
legally buy marijuana.
628
00:29:11,361 --> 00:29:13,738
So we went to a dispensary
down on the Lower East Side.
629
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:15,615
- Did your friend buy marijuana?
630
00:29:15,657 --> 00:29:16,783
- Yes.
631
00:29:16,824 --> 00:29:18,618
- Did you partake?
632
00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:20,078
- Yes.
633
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,622
- And did you ever smoke or
eat pot before that night?
634
00:29:22,664 --> 00:29:24,040
- Yes.
635
00:29:24,082 --> 00:29:25,750
But it wasn't
anything like this.
636
00:29:25,792 --> 00:29:27,961
- Can you describe
your experience?
637
00:29:28,002 --> 00:29:29,837
- So I started seeing things
638
00:29:29,879 --> 00:29:31,756
that, like, weren't
actually there.
639
00:29:31,798 --> 00:29:34,551
And I just felt like
everybody was threatening me.
640
00:29:34,592 --> 00:29:36,636
- Is that why you
started throwing rocks?
641
00:29:36,678 --> 00:29:38,054
- Yes.
642
00:29:38,096 --> 00:29:40,139
- Do you remember
meeting Mr. Stanton?
643
00:29:40,181 --> 00:29:42,850
- Yes, I threw a
rock at his store.
644
00:29:42,892 --> 00:29:44,853
It's a pizza place.
645
00:29:44,894 --> 00:29:46,813
And it shattered the glass.
646
00:29:46,855 --> 00:29:48,022
- What did Mr. Stanton do?
647
00:29:48,064 --> 00:29:50,608
- He came out,
trying to talk to me.
648
00:29:50,650 --> 00:29:54,654
But I walked away, and,
uh, he ran after me.
649
00:29:54,696 --> 00:29:56,114
- You felt threatened?
650
00:29:56,155 --> 00:29:57,532
- Objection, leading.
651
00:29:57,574 --> 00:29:59,325
- Sustained.
652
00:29:59,367 --> 00:30:01,494
- Tell the jurors how you felt.
653
00:30:01,536 --> 00:30:03,079
- OK.
654
00:30:03,121 --> 00:30:06,207
I thought Mr. Stanton
was... Was going to kill me.
655
00:30:06,249 --> 00:30:09,836
And now I know that
that's not true,
656
00:30:09,878 --> 00:30:11,318
but at the time,
like, in the moment,
657
00:30:11,327 --> 00:30:14,549
it felt super real,
like very real.
658
00:30:14,591 --> 00:30:17,051
So I hit him.
659
00:30:21,723 --> 00:30:23,016
- Thank you.
660
00:30:23,057 --> 00:30:25,143
Nothing further.
661
00:30:41,784 --> 00:30:44,662
- You didn't just hit him.
662
00:30:44,704 --> 00:30:47,332
You beat him to death.
663
00:30:47,373 --> 00:30:50,084
- I feel awful, all right?
664
00:30:50,126 --> 00:30:52,128
I'm so sorry for
everything I've done.
665
00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:55,089
I'm so sorry for the pain
that I've caused my family
666
00:30:55,131 --> 00:30:56,799
and Mr. Stanton's family.
667
00:30:56,841 --> 00:30:58,635
- And up until this very moment,
668
00:30:58,676 --> 00:31:01,095
you've never expressed
a shred of remorse
669
00:31:01,137 --> 00:31:03,389
for what you've done.
670
00:31:03,431 --> 00:31:06,392
- That's 'cause my lawyer
and my dad told me not to.
671
00:31:06,434 --> 00:31:09,979
- Oh, so you're blaming
this on your father and...
672
00:31:10,021 --> 00:31:11,439
- No. No.
- Lawyer?
673
00:31:11,481 --> 00:31:12,801
- See, that's not
what I'm saying.
674
00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:15,193
I'm saying I'm a...
I'm not a bad person.
675
00:31:15,235 --> 00:31:17,445
Not a bad person?
676
00:31:23,493 --> 00:31:25,495
- Yeah.
677
00:31:25,537 --> 00:31:28,081
Yeah, I wish I
could take it back.
678
00:31:28,122 --> 00:31:30,041
I'd do anything to
have that night back.
679
00:31:30,083 --> 00:31:32,168
- But you can't.
680
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:34,963
That's not how the world works.
681
00:31:35,004 --> 00:31:37,340
You did what you did.
682
00:31:37,382 --> 00:31:41,719
And now a good man, an innocent
man is dead and buried,
683
00:31:41,761 --> 00:31:44,097
and his family is grieving.
- Objection.
684
00:31:44,138 --> 00:31:47,600
- Sustained. Watch
it, Ms. Maroun.
685
00:31:58,194 --> 00:32:00,738
- And after you brutally
murdered Mr. Stanton,
686
00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:03,449
you went to great lengths to
cover your tracks, didn't you?
687
00:32:03,491 --> 00:32:04,851
- Look, I don't
know what you mean.
688
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:06,744
- Yeah, you went to a
hospital to get treatment.
689
00:32:06,786 --> 00:32:08,955
You paid out of pocket so
it wouldn't be reflected
690
00:32:08,997 --> 00:32:10,290
in your insurance claim.
691
00:32:10,331 --> 00:32:11,771
- See, that was my
family's decision.
692
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:13,543
- Yes, I know. It's
all their fault.
693
00:32:13,585 --> 00:32:14,961
- Please.
694
00:32:15,003 --> 00:32:19,632
I'm so sorry for what I did.
695
00:32:19,674 --> 00:32:22,176
I'm so sorry.
696
00:32:22,218 --> 00:32:25,722
I'm so sorry.
697
00:32:25,763 --> 00:32:28,433
I'm so sorry.
698
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,233
- That's all I have
for this witness.
699
00:32:51,372 --> 00:32:52,832
Went too far, didn't I?
700
00:32:52,874 --> 00:32:54,542
- No, not necessarily.
701
00:32:54,584 --> 00:32:58,630
I think we still have a
few jurors in our corner.
702
00:33:06,578 --> 00:33:07,578
- You're doing great.
703
00:33:08,246 --> 00:33:09,623
- Be honest.
704
00:33:09,664 --> 00:33:10,957
- I am.
705
00:33:10,999 --> 00:33:13,001
You are doing great.
706
00:33:13,043 --> 00:33:15,712
But the facts are the facts.
707
00:33:15,754 --> 00:33:17,756
No matter how well
you present the case,
708
00:33:17,797 --> 00:33:19,799
the jury is going
to want to know why
709
00:33:19,841 --> 00:33:22,344
the defendant had such
a violent outburst
710
00:33:22,385 --> 00:33:24,804
and killed another human being.
711
00:33:24,846 --> 00:33:30,393
And, well, unless we can give
them an understandable motive,
712
00:33:30,435 --> 00:33:33,563
I don't see us getting a
conviction on murder two.
713
00:33:33,605 --> 00:33:35,649
- Last time I tell
you to be honest.
714
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:38,109
Does that mean you agree?
715
00:33:38,151 --> 00:33:41,529
- That we need to offer
up additional information
716
00:33:41,571 --> 00:33:44,115
or find some sort of reason
for Erickson's violence?
717
00:33:44,157 --> 00:33:45,784
Yes, absolutely.
718
00:33:45,825 --> 00:33:47,869
And I've been looking
for one, but...
719
00:33:47,911 --> 00:33:51,539
- You know, it occurred to me
when Erickson was on the stand
720
00:33:51,581 --> 00:33:55,460
that neither he nor his lawyer
have talked about college.
721
00:33:55,502 --> 00:33:57,546
- What do you mean?
- He's a high school senior.
722
00:33:57,587 --> 00:33:59,714
He's a great student,
talented athlete
723
00:33:59,756 --> 00:34:03,134
from a wealthy, educated family.
724
00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:06,054
For a kid like Jesse
Erickson not to be on his way
725
00:34:06,096 --> 00:34:09,349
to some sort of elite college,
it doesn't make sense.
726
00:34:09,391 --> 00:34:11,601
Has to be a reason.
727
00:34:16,856 --> 00:34:18,400
- He was accepted
early at Brown,
728
00:34:18,441 --> 00:34:20,318
but decided to take a gap year.
729
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,861
- To do what?
730
00:34:21,903 --> 00:34:23,655
- He's enlisted in a
youth volunteer group
731
00:34:23,697 --> 00:34:25,323
to build a school in Kenya.
732
00:34:25,365 --> 00:34:26,575
Kenya?
733
00:34:26,616 --> 00:34:29,661
- That's the plan...
Or it was the plan.
734
00:34:29,703 --> 00:34:32,497
- So he's never been in trouble?
735
00:34:32,539 --> 00:34:34,332
Suspended, discipline?
736
00:34:34,374 --> 00:34:36,042
- Not to my knowledge.
737
00:34:36,084 --> 00:34:38,253
- Ever shown signs of violence?
738
00:34:38,295 --> 00:34:40,922
- Not that I'm aware of.
739
00:34:40,964 --> 00:34:43,550
- Has he ever expressed
racist thoughts
740
00:34:43,592 --> 00:34:46,219
and shown bias against
people of color?
741
00:34:46,261 --> 00:34:47,721
- No.
742
00:34:47,762 --> 00:34:50,473
I'm telling you,
he's a good kid.
743
00:34:50,515 --> 00:34:52,350
I've been his advisor
since freshman year.
744
00:34:52,392 --> 00:34:54,895
- So he's perfect? That's
what you're saying?
745
00:34:54,936 --> 00:34:57,814
He just runs around,
getting straight As,
746
00:34:57,856 --> 00:35:00,609
playing football, winning
citizenship awards,
747
00:35:00,650 --> 00:35:04,279
and then one night, out of the
blue, he beats a man to death?
748
00:35:04,321 --> 00:35:06,323
- It was the cannabis.
749
00:35:06,364 --> 00:35:10,243
That's the only thing
that makes sense.
750
00:35:10,285 --> 00:35:13,580
I don't understand
all your anger.
751
00:35:13,622 --> 00:35:17,959
Why are you hell bent
on ruining Jesse's life?
752
00:35:25,759 --> 00:35:27,469
- You should have
heard this guy.
753
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:31,139
He... he made Erickson
out to be a saint.
754
00:35:31,181 --> 00:35:34,100
He turned it around, started
pointing fingers at me
755
00:35:34,142 --> 00:35:36,269
like I have some
personal vendetta
756
00:35:36,311 --> 00:35:38,480
against Erickson.
757
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:48,490
What? What are you...
758
00:35:50,909 --> 00:35:53,119
- OK.
759
00:35:53,161 --> 00:35:56,331
I have wondered the same thing.
760
00:35:58,917 --> 00:36:01,044
From the second we
charged this kid,
761
00:36:01,086 --> 00:36:04,047
you've been convinced
that he's a monster
762
00:36:04,089 --> 00:36:05,298
in spite of the evidence.
763
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:06,967
- The evidence?
764
00:36:07,008 --> 00:36:10,053
He bludgeoned a man to
death with his fists.
765
00:36:10,095 --> 00:36:11,805
I mean, those were the most
766
00:36:11,846 --> 00:36:14,224
horrific crime scene
photos I have ever seen.
767
00:36:14,266 --> 00:36:19,020
- I agree, which is why we
brought the murder two charge.
768
00:36:19,062 --> 00:36:21,815
But...
769
00:36:21,856 --> 00:36:25,110
the evidence no longer
backs our original theory,
770
00:36:25,151 --> 00:36:27,988
and we're losing the jury.
771
00:36:28,029 --> 00:36:30,198
Manslaughter is
still a serious charge.
772
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,701
Like I said before, we
can recommend 10 years.
773
00:36:32,742 --> 00:36:36,705
- That's not enough,
not for what he did.
774
00:36:42,377 --> 00:36:45,338
- I'm not a psychiatrist, but...
775
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:47,215
is there a chance
this has something
776
00:36:47,257 --> 00:36:49,217
to do with your sister?
777
00:36:50,844 --> 00:36:53,013
- You know, OK, I'm...
I'm sorry to even...
778
00:36:53,054 --> 00:36:55,849
- You... you think I'm trying
to blame Jesse Erickson
779
00:36:55,891 --> 00:36:57,767
for what happened to my sister?
780
00:36:57,809 --> 00:37:01,229
- No, not consciously, but
there is a resemblance,
781
00:37:01,271 --> 00:37:04,190
on paper anyway,
between him and...
782
00:37:04,232 --> 00:37:07,152
And the young man who...
783
00:37:10,947 --> 00:37:14,993
OK, I'm wrong.
784
00:37:15,035 --> 00:37:17,913
I'm sorry for even
bringing it up.
785
00:37:23,418 --> 00:37:26,087
I'm just trying to help, Sam.
786
00:37:28,965 --> 00:37:31,468
- I know.
787
00:37:46,441 --> 00:37:49,236
- Breakfast on a work day?
788
00:37:49,277 --> 00:37:51,696
- Oh.
789
00:37:51,738 --> 00:37:53,657
It's been a while.
790
00:37:53,698 --> 00:37:56,701
Just thought I'd
come by, say hello.
791
00:37:56,743 --> 00:37:58,912
- I'm thrilled.
792
00:37:58,954 --> 00:38:01,748
And thanks for bringing
the fresh croissants.
793
00:38:15,262 --> 00:38:20,100
- I thought it'd get easier.
794
00:38:20,141 --> 00:38:22,561
- It doesn't.
795
00:38:22,602 --> 00:38:26,147
It's an ache that
will never go away.
796
00:38:26,189 --> 00:38:29,901
But I tell myself that
the pain is a good thing.
797
00:38:29,943 --> 00:38:33,071
Lets me know that
I'm still alive,
798
00:38:33,113 --> 00:38:35,865
that I'm still
capable of feeling.
799
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,169
- It doesn't help that
800
00:38:48,211 --> 00:38:52,841
the police never arrested
the son of a bitch.
801
00:38:52,883 --> 00:38:56,011
Just knowing that smug
bastard is still out there
802
00:38:56,052 --> 00:39:00,307
walking around free as a bird...
803
00:39:00,348 --> 00:39:03,476
If I think about it too
much, I'm going to go crazy.
804
00:39:03,518 --> 00:39:06,605
- So don't.
805
00:39:06,646 --> 00:39:08,773
- Don't what?
806
00:39:08,815 --> 00:39:11,234
Think about it.
807
00:39:11,276 --> 00:39:13,820
Focus instead on Christina,
808
00:39:13,862 --> 00:39:18,575
her smile, her
laughter, her kindness.
809
00:39:18,617 --> 00:39:23,663
Just forget about
all this stuff...
810
00:39:23,705 --> 00:39:28,752
The hatred, the frustration.
811
00:39:28,793 --> 00:39:30,503
- I don't think it's possible.
812
00:39:30,545 --> 00:39:32,339
- It is.
813
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:35,050
I promise.
814
00:39:41,431 --> 00:39:44,684
I'm so glad you came by.
815
00:39:46,603 --> 00:39:49,522
- It's been too long, hm?
816
00:40:01,451 --> 00:40:05,247
- What's going on?
817
00:40:05,288 --> 00:40:07,666
- I pled him out to man two.
818
00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:11,378
- Really? Man two.
819
00:40:11,419 --> 00:40:13,421
- You were right.
820
00:40:13,463 --> 00:40:15,048
Without a credible motive,
821
00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:18,051
the jury wasn't going to
convict Erickson of murder,
822
00:40:18,093 --> 00:40:21,888
but he's still going
to do a lot of time.
823
00:40:21,930 --> 00:40:24,849
If this law thing
doesn't work out,
824
00:40:24,891 --> 00:40:28,103
you should think about
becoming a psychiatrist.
824
00:40:29,305 --> 00:41:29,575
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