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I feel rejuvenated, kind of,
because after working on it so long,
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- it's so much work.
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A lot of people, they're used to
just seeing the outcome of work.
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They never see the side of the
work you go through to produce-
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- the outcome, and I feel, you know,
rejuvenated and happy,
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- it's a jubilation, is what it is.
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It's like a celebration, it's like,
"We're done!"
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People were holding on to the fact that Thriller
was the biggest selling record in the world.
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How are you going to follow
up on something like that?
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It's almost impossible.
Try telling that to Michael Jackson, though.
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Thriller is the blockbuster
behemoth in the era-
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- of blockbuster artists.
You know, that was the era-
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- when you had Madonna,
Springsteen, Whitney Houston,
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- so big stars, big albums, MTV era,
music videos are in ascendance.
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And that's the signature album of that era.
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Thriller sold over 100 million
copies worldwide to date.
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35 million in the US,
over 70 million outside the US,
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- and that's not even counting singles.
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There was a mania around Michael-
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- and Thriller for those three
years that was very difficult to-
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- capture again, and you go
back to Elvis, or Frank Sinatra,
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- or the Beatles, even today
with Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga,
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- it's a space and time,
the window's only opened so far,
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- and Thriller captured that.
It was magical.
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♪ Startin' somethin' ♪
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♪ Startin' somethin' ♪
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♪ Startin' somethin' ♪
♪ Startin' somethin'... ♪
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Thriller broke every record that existed,
and it sold more records-
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- than any other album in the
history of the music industry.
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To most of us he's just Wacko Jacko,
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- and if some of the press are
to be believed, he bathes in-
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- Perrier water, eats flowers for lunch,
and sleeps in an oxygen tent,
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- often with a chimp, a snake,
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- and an alien,
in a sort of bizarre love triangle.
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All that stuff is trash,
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- and it all comes from the fact
that Michael Jackson doesn't do-
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- interviews, and they have nothing
else to write about him.
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What surprises me sometimes,
the people that get distracted-
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- and myopic about Michael's eccentricities,
when they listen to-
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- his music and watch his performance,
that's like someone saying,
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- "Hey, there's a cobweb on the
ceiling of the Sistine Chapel."
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This article is from Playboy magazine,
January 1985.
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It's called Freaks And The American
Ideal Of Manhood, by James Baldwin.
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"He will not swiftly be forgiven for
having turned so many tables,
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- for he damn sure grabbed the brass ring."
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People tend to reduce the backlash
to Michael Jackson to these-
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- eccentricities, but I think
that the James Baldwin quote-
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- suggests that it was more than that.
Michael Jackson became-
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- one of the most powerful figures
in the entertainment industry, and-
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- certainly he was the most powerful
African-American to that time.
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And in addition to that, 1985,
along with John Branca,
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- he acquires the Beatles catalogue.
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When we announced the
acquisition of the Beatles' catalogue,
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- it was almost a feeling that
Michael didn't have the right-
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- also to be a savvy businessmen.
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It was a misconception that Michael
went behind Paul McCartney's back-
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- to bid on the catalogue,
but that was absolutely not the case.
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I remember when he
bought the Beatles' catalogue.
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He came to me and he said they
want whatever it was at that time,
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- 52 million, it sounds like too much money.
He said, "I think you're wrong."
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A lot of those Beatles' songs are
considered sacred songs by people.
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They are really just more
than pop songs on the radio,
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- they meant something in their lives
beyond almost any songs they heard.
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I mean, Sergeant Pepper,
particularly right?
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And for him to take that catalogue
and use it the way he's used it,
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- it's going to have some kind of backlash.
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After Thriller, you know,
Michael had a few extra dollars to invest,
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- and we had an investment committee,
and we used to look at-
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- all sorts of possible deals for Michael,
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- and he never had interest
in buildings, tax shelters,
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- the kinds of things that other people-
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- were interested in at the time.
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One day Michael came to me and he said,
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- "I saw Paul McCartney's song catalogue.
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"He showed it to me. Do you think
you can help me buy copyrights?"
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And I said, "Absolutely, Michael."
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We bought a couple
Dion & The Belmont's songs,
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Runaround Sue and The Wanderer.
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Then we bought the
Sly & The Family Stone catalogue,
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- which was a major
acquisition for Michael.
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Michael's 28 years old now.
He's not a baby dumpling now.
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He's grown,
he's listened, he's going up,
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- and those are the kinds
of things he wants to say now.
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I feel the stretches are there,
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- but they don't feel like they've
been conscious stretches.
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I think that things have just
occurred along the way to say that-
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- this is the way I feel like thinking,
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- and I feel like feeling at this time.
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And one thing we've really tried not to do,
to sit down and worry about-
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- competing with Thriller,
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- because that's really self-destructive,
you know.
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And it's dishonest.
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He would always write with a red Sharpie-
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- on his mirrors in his rooms,
wherever he was.
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He would write 100 million albums
sold for Bad, to remind him,
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- when he would stand in front
of the mirror, brushing his teeth,
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- brushing his hair, doing himself up,
that that was his goal.
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I remember sitting on Michael's mirror,
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- he wrote the big note,
100 million albums.
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And that was a goal that he set for himself,
but I remember one time,
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- I was in Hong Kong with Michael,
and it was in between the records,
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- and I said,
"you know, Mike, there's a lot of pressure.
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"Maybe you should think,
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- why not do an album of
cover songs that inspired you?"
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"Jackie Wilson, James Brown,
just going little left of centre,
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- so you don't feel like you
have to compete with yourself."
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And he looked at me like I was from Mars.
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Because Michael thrived on that pressure,
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- he thrived on pushing himself,
and everybody else around him.
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If this record doesn't do as
well as Thriller, and doesn't win-
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- a whole bunch of Grammy awards,
he's going to be very unhappy.
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He would call during the
Thriller and the Bad days.
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"My record's not number one.
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"My record's not number one,
what are we going to do?"
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I said, "Michael, we're going to go to sleep,
we're going to get up tomorrow,
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- and we're going to work on
getting you a number one."
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Michael didn't have limits,
Michael thought bigger than anyone.
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Off The Wall was a huge hit,
and when he told people after-
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- that album, "I'm going to follow
this up with an album that's going-
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- to sell twice as much as Off The Wall,
people didn't believe him." And he did it.
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And so with Bad, he said,
"OK, I'm going to do it again."
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Bad has the special distinction.
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It's the first album in history
to generate five consecutive-
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- number one pop singles,
and that record was only recently-
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- tied by Katy Perry,
with her Teenage Dream album.
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It started with I Just Can't Stop Loving You,
in the summer of 1987.
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- Bad. - Then you had The Way You Make Me Feel.
- Man In The Mirror.
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And finally, Dirty Diana.
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It's a testament to his swag,
really, that he-
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- even made another record after Thriller.
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It did take in five years.
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I was 16 years old when
the Bad album came out.
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I remember being highly obsessed
with every aspect of that album.
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We were just like,
"What is this going to be?"
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Because this was a humongous deal.
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I guess in some way or another,
my education of the industry,
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- and those inside it and outside
it really starts with that record.
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The original album title
was Smooth Criminal.
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That was the original name of the album,
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- and again, Michael called me up,
and said this is what he wants to do.
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A couple of days later I got a call-
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- from Quincy Jones,
"Larry, I got a problem with the album title."
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I go, "Why? It's kind of cool,
it's edgy, it's kind of cool."
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He says, "I understand Larry, but I will not
allow this album to be called Smooth Criminal."
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He felt that the connotation
was inappropriate at this time.
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So I said,
"Let me call Walter, I'll get back to you."
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Because Walter Yetnikoff was
very involved with this project.
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And Walter says,
"I don't care what you call it, just put it out!"
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This was the most published
music image of the year.
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We prepared for it for three days.
We were shooting the video in the subway in New York.
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Every day after shooting,
we would go, "OK, let's do it."
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"I'm tired. I got something to do."
Next day. OK.
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"No, no, no, no, I'm tired."
OK, last day, Frank says,
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- "Mike, he's been sitting here for
three days, you got to take this picture."
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"OK, Frank." Three rolls of 12 shots
later he goes, "That's enough."
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And this is what we came up with.
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There was an album cover shot,
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- and it was done in a very '30s style.
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It was a copy of a Vogue photograph
of Gloria Swanson that had-
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- been shot back in the '30s.
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And they took a piece of lace,
and they stuck it-
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- in front of the camera,
and they shot through the lace,
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- Michael's face, it was just a
headshot, so it looked like-
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- Michael was wearing a veil,
or a piece of lace on his face.
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He did have a veil, and I said
"I'm not putting out an album cover-
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- with that all over his face."
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He called me up, and he went,
"That is not the album cover!"
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We wanted a tough album.
We wanted a tough image, anyway.
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You know, because,
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- because it's important that you
keep trying to change, change up.
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And this is the one where I'd
asked him to write all the tunes.
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This room was built for Michael.
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This studio D in Westlake-
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- was built for Michael Jackson.
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For specifically the Bad record.
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I was in this big room here,
we had Phillinganes in the other room,
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- E, I believe it was,
doing all the synth parts.
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We had Jerry Hey and the other
guys doing other arrangements-
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- in the other rooms.
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We had this whole building locked up.
Locked out!
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Everybody's working on different
tunes on the same record.
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Well, the Bad song really
sets up the entire album,
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- because this is a song in
which Michael's addressing-
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- the huge backlash that
had taken place since thriller.
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The whole world has to
answer right now, "Who's bad?"
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Well... It is quite different from
anything I've ever recorded,
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or I've ever written.
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It's a bold statement to say,
but I mean it in all goodwill.
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You know, so don't take it too seriously.
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I'm saying, it's like a way of
saying you're cool, you're all right,
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- you're tough.
I'm not saying I'm like criminally bad.
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Of course, that's how people will take it.
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It's a bold statement to make.
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Opening line is,
"Your butt is mine," that's extremely...
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You know, like, let's get it on!
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So, I wanted to do a duet with Prince,
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- and have the video with him
coming to kick Michael's ass.
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The rivalry between the two of them,
between Prince and Michael,
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- for real music lovers at
that time, and real music fans,
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- that's a rivalry that is unmatched,
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- and will go unmatched
for many, many years.
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Michael impacted dances.
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Nobody can touch him dancing.
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When I try to dance,
I'd try, not to mimic him,
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- but I try to, you know,
not let him down, in a way.
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Prince impacted musicians.
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Michael Jackson and Prince were
the polarising figures of the '80s.
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Are you a Michael fan or a Prince than?
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You can't do that! You know why?
Because I think that Michael-
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- and Prince came into
our lives at a different point.
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They're synonymous to me, they're equal.
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Michael and Prince are our heroes,
they're our musical heroes.
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My annual Michael Jackson
versus Prince party,
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- that's something I've
been doing for a while,
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- really just to pay homage and
tribute to those two artists.
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I'm Michael Jordan,
Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson.
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I met Michael once at,
ironically enough, a Prince concert.
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I was performing with Prince in Vegas.
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After the show was over was
when I met him backstage.
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I thought that they had
nemeses all these years,
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- but it turns out that Mike was
a pretty big fan of Prince as well.
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So Michael said,
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- "Branca, set up a meeting.
I want Prince to come over."
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The meeting took place at
Hayvenhurst, 4641 Hayvenhurst.
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And Bob Cavallo went over with Prince...
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So, you actually met then?
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They met in Michael's study, and I recall,
I wasn't there that night,
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- but I remember, I was told the next day,
it was not a happy meeting.
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Apparently Prince brought over
some sort of voodoo box, and Michael-
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- was convinced that Prince
was trying to cast a spell on him.
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If Quincy has gone to Prince and said,
"Write a song for you-
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- and Michael to do,"
that song would have gotten recorded.
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Not by Michael!
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But Michael wouldn't have done it!
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Now Prince wasn't doing no song
with Michael Jackson. All right?
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That was a very optimistic
view that he would get down...
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At that point, in the Sign
O' The Times era, he's rolling.
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Oh, the cool thing about
playing on the title track, Bad,
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- was I shared a solo with Jimmy Smith.
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Jimmy Smith played on that,
jazz organist, played on that.
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He was great.
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That was the groove, you know.
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And then Jimmy did this
organ solo on top of that.
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And here he comes...
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ORGAN SOLO
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And here I come after that.
Watch out!
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By '86 and '87, hip-hop is now
becoming the dominant thread-
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- in a lot of aspects of
American pop culture.
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Michael's responding to that to
some degree with the Bad video,
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- and imaging of Bad, but it's
done in a Michael Jackson way.
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The first step that was taken
was to bring in Martin Scorsese.
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Martin Scorsese to direct the
first video from the album, and-
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- Michael never called them videos,
it was the short film from the album.
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You'd never hear him say "music video".
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"I'm doing short films."
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He wanted people not just
to hear the music, but see it.
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We had a meeting with Quincy
and Michael in Los Angeles,
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- and I found that really nobody had...
They were wide open to ideas.
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Nobody had ideas what kind
of story we could make up,
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- what kind of issue we could deal with.
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And so I suggested that
I hire Richard Price,
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- who just wrote Colour of Money
for me to do the script.
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I just thought, Michael Jackson and
Marty Scorsese, that's way too...
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That's way too bizarre for words,
absolutely I will do it.
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If it's to be anything,
it should be something very,
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- very different from what he's
done before, and that means-
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- a dramatic piece, and something
with a lot of style, a lot of grit to it.
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I don't remember exactly who
said this, but he said Michael-
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- wanted to make a video to
show the brothers he's down.
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So he goes to the, you know,
the Italian asthmatic, who goes-
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- to the Jewish asthmatic,
and we're going to make Michael a homie!
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We gave him these three ideas.
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Michael and I both loved
the one called Pressure-
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- that was the working title of this one.
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About peer pressure.
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I had just read this
article that a friend of mine,
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Robert Sam Anson,
had written about Edmund Perry.
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Within the hour, police revealed
more information about the death-
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- of a young man from Harlem.
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He had graduated with honours from
an exclusive New England prep school.
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Edmund Perry was killed by a
police bullet on Morningside Drive.
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They had read stories like
this before, too many of them.
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Black kid, 17, from Harlem, poor,
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- with another black youth,
tries to rob a white man,
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- who turns out to be a plain-clothes cop.
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Edmund Perry was a kid from Harlem.
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He and his brother, Jonah,
had both gone to prep schools,
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- said they were like, not privileged,
but they were exposed to privilege.
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And this was a kid that was
very much kind of dealing with-
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- what is becoming a more
common kind of internal conflict-
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- among black kids who were
put in isolated environments...
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I want to say before you go, you know,
you did a real good job this term.
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Thanks.
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...and are asked in that passage-
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- to let go of the culture
that spawned him.
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Yo, the black is back, my man...
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So, I just ran off, and I wrote this thing,
and I rate in like two days.
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You know, it's only ten pages,
and Marty thought it was great.
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Oh, yeah.
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He did ask me,
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- he took me aside, and said,
"Do people live here?"
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I said, "Oh, yeah, this is a good one,
304
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- "because we went to some
others, and I was pretty..."
305
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- Was he scared?
- A little bit, I think.
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For him, I thought,
it was a shock to see that.
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Folks, I think we better
go through a walk, man.
308
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How did I get cast in this?
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Audition, you know, we all had to audition.
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Were there a lot of people?
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It was quite a few guys,
I don't know exactly how many.
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Wesley came in, there was no...
Yeah, there was no question.
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And the guys I went in with,
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- they all approached the
characters kind of B-boy-ish.
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You know, characteristic of B-boys,
with the, "Yo, man, yeah."
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This type of thing.
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And that's not my particular style,
so I went the opposite direction-
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- of what they did,
and I played it very, very subtle.
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Yo, college? What's your major, man?
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This is high school, there ain't no majors.
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Then what's your minor?
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Wesley Snipes, his appearance
in a video was probably one of-
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- the most notable acting debuts,
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- and the fact that he made his
mark known in a music video,
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- everyone remembered
Wesley Snipes after that moment.
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Are you bad?
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Or is that what they teach you up
in that little sissy school of yours?
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How to forget who your friends are.
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Let me tell you something,
I don't care what-
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- they teach you up there,
you either down, or you ain't down.
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And one of the things that I
found was this piece of paper,
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- which he wrote "Bad Film" on there.
333
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And it's titled, "Today's Motto."
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"Let nothing be a take unless
I'm extremely satisfied,
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- "unless I felt it in my soul."
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You want to see who's bad?
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You want to see who's bad?
Well, come on, come on, let's do it.
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Let's see who's bad, man.
Come on. Come on! Let's go.
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As we're putting the piece together,
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- working on the choreography,
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- it's towards the middle of it that
they say, "We have a location,"
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- so they took us to Brooklyn,
to the Hoyt-Schermerhorn subway station.
343
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There is a place where the
train is actually running under us.
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There's a midsection,
that's the place we went to.
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The first time we walked in, we were
with Martin Scorsese, Quincy Jones,
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- myself and Michael,
and we're walking through there,
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- and Michael goes, "Wow, this is great.
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"Yeah, it looks real.
Look, there's even some pee stains over there.
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"Wow, it's really nasty,
yeah, that's great."
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Well, even if we catch them
with the last two steps.
351
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No, that's OK. That's OK.
Oh, sure, because he's hiding as well.
352
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It's ideal if we don't see it.
353
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And then we come back, and he's hiding.
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He's frozen again, that would
be great if we could do that.
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FOOTSTEPS
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- That move is in Taxi Driver.
- Yeah, I like... Yeah, I like that.
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Right, let's go again, same thing.
Same thing.
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Speak. 19, Kansas, take five.
And action.
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Give me a quarter.
Run, move, go! Run!
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Cut.
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I mean, there was a
moment there with the old man,
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- when he said, "Gimme a quarter."
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Give me a quarter.
Run! Go! Run!
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And the guy... Something happened,
sort of hurt his arm a little bit.
365
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- No, no, it's all right. It's all right.
- What can we do?
366
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We're going to take care of it.
I promise you it won't happen.
367
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No, please, do it in the same way,
I mean, it has to be done in that way.
368
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,760
The only time Michael
really became, I think, very,
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- very concerned was at that moment,
where he begged me,
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"Please don't do another take on the guy.
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"I didn't want to hurt anybody."
I mean, really begged me.
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I said, "No, no, no, it's all right.
Actually it's all very good."
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"Please, I beg you."
It was true, we did have it, so...
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You know, I went with that.
375
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That's what I want to see.
It's going to be like this.
376
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- He can't touch me though.
- No. - He can't touch me.
377
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OK, so just run through the lines this way.
378
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That's the way it's going down.
Huh? That's it?
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Well, you ain't down with us!
You ain't bad, you ain't bad at all.
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LAUGHTER
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You know, Wesley's talking to him,
and Wesley's got this fierce-
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- kind of profile and everything
like that, and it's almost like-
383
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- I felt scared from Michael,
like he was going to get eaten.
384
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,880
I was so happy to see
Michael Jackson being tough.
385
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I was so happy to see him in what
seemed like regular surroundings.
386
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I think I was a little bit caught
off guard, because it was-
387
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- like Michael talking, Michael sort
of being very rough, a little bit.
388
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I don't know if he was trying
to reaffirm his connection with-
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- the black community, or what he
was trying to do, but it was successful.
390
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It's one shot.
Whatever is best for him.
391
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Whatever is good to him at
this point, it's only one shot.
392
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The thing is also,
when he drops down into it.
393
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And everybody starts surrounding him.
394
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If we drop down in front of the
three guys the opposite way,
395
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- the three guys will be
in the way of the camera.
396
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What I didn't realise is that, you know,
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I have this like earnest social drama,
and all of a sudden it's
398
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- going to end in this choreographed
big song, and it was like, "Huh?"
399
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Oh, I remember this, yeah.
400
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,640
Now, the thing is...
Oh, this is pretty much, you know...
401
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,040
What are you going to do,
dance us to death? I think he says...
402
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,990
What, y'all going to dance us to death?
403
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,700
You got to be kidding me.
404
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,320
He probably was going
to dance them to death.
405
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Because you ain't saying nothing here.
Raise up.
406
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,800
I think the Bad moment, outfit wise,
407
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- was far more influential
than the Thriller moment.
408
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,200
Like, the Thriller moment
might have been more iconic,
409
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- but Bad was more influential.
410
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960
So, I like almost dress like that today.
411
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When everybody's out,
they're all staring, and the pipe breaks.
412
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- Yeah, right.
- Everybody looks.
413
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,100
So, what's up?
414
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We're going to hold that a while.
415
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,240
Michael was very interested
in incorporating body popping-
416
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- into his videos.
417
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,280
So, he feels like the dancers
themselves know more-
418
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- about what we're doing,
so he chose to use the street dancers-
419
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- to co-choreograph the videos with him.
420
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♪ I'm giving you on count of three ♪
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♪ To show your stuff or let it be... ♪
422
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Now hit those little things like - boom!
423
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Do the little moves,
those little up rhythms.
424
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He would work with the dancers
in the daytime, but me and Casper-
425
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,160
- would go up to the Helmsley
Palace hotel and work with Michael-
426
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- at night, and we'd be working
to 2.30, 3 in the morning.
427
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And, you know, we'd take
turns creating different things,
428
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,160
- making different things happen,
and then he'd get in there,
429
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,800
- and he do his thing,
I'd get in to do my thing,
430
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,320
- and we would take turns doing that.
431
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,400
It wasn't like a dance-off,
like competing against each other,
432
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,400
- but like pushing each other,
inspiring each other,
433
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- and pushing each other to the next limit.
434
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,720
So at first it was myself and
Casper and Michael only,
435
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,360
- then after I got hold of Gregg Burge,
436
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,120
- and Gregg Burge started coming
over to the rehearsals with us-
437
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,800
- as well. And we were just gelling,
just coming up with ideas,
438
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,800
- so there was nothing constructive yet.
439
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,960
♪ You know I'm bad, ♪
♪ I'm bad Come on... ♪
440
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,360
- I know people made a lot of, "What's a shamone?"
- Shamone.
441
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,680
Shamone is basically his
hat nod to Mavis Staples.
442
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♪ Shamone, shamone. ♪
443
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He could have went with James Brown,
and being like, "Lookee here,"
444
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- or Marvin Gaye and "Hoooo!"
445
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,040
I love the fact that he played
that homage to one of-
446
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- the under-championed
soul singers of her day.
447
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♪ Shamone, shamone, shamone... ♪
448
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,120
Michael has this scooting move,
where he scooting forward.
449
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,400
That's a Michael signature step.
450
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,840
I said, "Michael, that has never
been done in a group before.
451
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,160
"Could you imagine if all of us-
452
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,160
- were scooting across
the camera like that?"
453
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,600
So now it's looking like a train,
"chuka-chuka-chuka-chuka..."
454
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,440
with a group of us doing it.
And it worked out beautifully.
455
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600
♪ You're throwing stones ♪
♪ to hide your hands ♪
456
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,520
♪ Well, they say the sky's the limit ♪
457
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,560
♪ And to me that's really true ♪
458
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,640
♪ And my friends you have seen nothing ♪
459
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,560
♪ Just wait till I get through ♪
460
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,680
♪ Because I'm bad, ♪
♪ I'm bad Shamone... ♪
461
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,200
Were you familiar with the
Michael Jackson "grab the crotch"?
462
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,560
No, I was not familiar with that at all!
463
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,120
It's all through the whole piece.
464
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,960
The whole thing, it's all throughout.
465
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,440
Within the moves, it's right,
I mean, what can I say?
466
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,160
- The way he's moving.
- But it was a surprise, though, right?
467
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,760
Yes, it was, yeah.
468
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,440
♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad ♪
469
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,600
♪ You know it ♪
470
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,960
♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad ♪
471
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960
♪ You know it, you know... ♪
472
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,120
He took what was
formatted as a choreography,
473
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,720
- and he learned it to the point
where he could break out of it when-
474
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,070
- he wanted to, and get right back into it,
without skipping a beat.
475
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,520
Michael would just spin and snap
out of it, and grab himself, "Hooooo!"
476
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,040
We never knew any of
this was going to happen,
477
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,800
- and that goes to show you his genius.
478
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320
What makes one go out and mug a person?
479
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280
I mean, there's so much involved
in a person who does that.
480
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,280
Insecurities, frustration,
resentment, all of these things.
481
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,320
In one movement, I had him lifting
the leg up, with that feeling-
482
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,560
- of wanting to fly, like we all want
to do, we want to fly, and the-
483
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,200
- next movement, it's just anger,
and the next movement, its tenderness.
484
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,040
Michael's seen West Side Story.
485
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Michael knows Jerome Robbins'
choreography, I mean, I know-
486
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,840
- he does, because that's where
that looked like it came from, to me.
487
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Gregg, he contributed, because
he's a technical dancer, you know,
488
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000
- he's into jazz, and stuff
like that, so all the really-
489
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,720
- West Side Story-looking stuff
is what Gregg put into the piece.
490
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,080
I tried to keep some street stuff in it.
491
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360
HE GRUNTS
492
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,210
You see those type of moves in there.
493
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,080
♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad ♪
494
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,800
♪ Shamone ♪
495
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,520
♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad... ♪
496
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,080
- The crane down...
- Oh, yeah.
497
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Low ceiling, I mean, the ceiling was low.
498
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,600
♪ You know, you know Come on ♪
499
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,640
♪ And the whole world ♪
♪ has to answer right now ♪
500
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,160
♪ When I tell you once again... ♪
501
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,040
- There it is.
- Oh, my God!
502
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,600
I get that it wasn't funny,
but it seemed like a good idea at the time.
503
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,360
Something my daughter,
when she saw this, she said,
504
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,200
- "Dad, you were in jail?"
I said, "No, no, no, no!"
505
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,520
It was my intention to make
this dance move throughout this-
506
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,520
- subway, I wanted things to move.
507
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,600
The big issue of course, ultimately,
was for such a master of dancing,
508
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,480
- the concern was to show from head to toe.
509
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,800
I had to try and convince him-
510
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,760
- that I think the camera
moves could work all together.
511
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,360
♪ And the whole world ♪
♪ has to answer right now ♪
512
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,400
♪ When I tell you once again ♪
♪ Who's bad? ♪
513
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,440
It does come back at the end
to a reality in which they split.
514
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,600
And of course, it's all summed up,
which is an interesting idea,
515
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,120
- that Jackson came up with,
to do what he calls a breakdown.
516
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,960
A breakdown which turned out to
be in the tradition of a preacher,
517
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,520
- doing a sermon.
And we did that three cameras, live.
518
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,200
And Michael goes,
"OK, guys, I want you to just follow me."
519
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,720
I think I had to be one of
the only singers in the group,
520
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920
- because a lot of the guys
were studying dance.
521
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,600
- Who's bad?
- Who's bad?
522
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,800
- Who's bad?
- Who's bad?
523
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,520
Oh, my God, it was church,
it was James Brown.
524
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,720
If any place reaffirmed him,
or if he was trying to reaffirm to-
525
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,320
- people who he was,
and where his roots were...
526
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,560
And the soulfulness
that he has, and frankly,
527
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,240
- the blackness that he was,
it is those last 30 seconds...
528
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,920
♪ - You know ♪
♪ - You know ♪
529
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,760
♪ - You know it ♪
♪ - You know it ♪
530
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,560
♪ - You know ♪
♪ - You know ♪
531
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,040
♪ - You know it ♪
♪ - You know it... ♪
532
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Sometimes he lost us, you know...
533
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,840
"So, guys, naaa, naaa, na..."
534
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,880
♪ - Ask your mother ♪
♪ - Your mother ♪
535
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,680
♪ - Ask your sister ♪
♪ - Your sister ♪
536
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,040
♪ - Ask me ♪
♪ - Ask me ♪
537
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440
♪ - You've been doing wrong ♪
♪ - You've been doing wrong ♪
538
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360
♪ - You're doing wrong ♪
♪ - You're doing wrong ♪
539
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,400
♪ - You're doing me wrong ♪
♪ - You're doing me wrong ♪
540
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,950
♪ - You're doing wrong ♪
♪ - You're doing wrong... ♪
541
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160
And this is something that he envisioned,
542
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,040
- and he was feeling,
and it finally got to that...
543
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,090
So, that's the way it goes down, hey?
544
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,600
There was a lot of talk at
first of doing a different thing,
545
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,960
- maybe everyone smiling,
and being happy with it.
546
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,480
18 apple, take three.
547
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,180
And action.
548
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Yo, it's cool, all right.
549
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920
I mean, there ain't no
hard feelings or nothing.
550
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,880
But then I just said,
"It just doesn't seem to work."
551
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880
The fellas have to more or less except him,
552
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,880
- and they accept them,
and they go their own way, that's it.
553
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920
Last week Michael Jackson
re-entered human history,
554
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680
- to gladden mankind with his latest album,
555
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,320
- thus triggering a wave of
media silliness and cross-promotion.
556
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,680
CBS television let off the festival
of foolishness Monday night.
557
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,880
IT broadcast a half-hour special
on Jackson and his new album.
558
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800
I mean, when that video
comes on Monday night,
559
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,960
- everyone's going to be
glued to their TV screen,
560
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,160
- with their friends saying,
561
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,440
- "did you see that?
Did you see that? Did you see that?"
562
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800
It was before the age
of the internet, I mean,
563
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,840
- the most that I could do was
call somebody else's house-
564
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880
- to have three-way, who called
another friend to have three-way,
565
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:35,840
- like seven of us watched this short film,
one three-way, in dead silence.
566
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,520
I was just transfixed in front of the TV.
567
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,960
We took all the documentary
footage we could find on Michael,
568
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000
- from the very early stages,
when he joined Motown records,
569
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,680
- it ended with a video
clip of him in London,
570
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,520
- with hundreds of girls screaming
and yelling, and we put this rumble-
571
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800
- track underneath the screaming
and yelling to really enhance it.
572
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,680
It was just like this with the Beatles.
573
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,240
And Michael just loved this comment-
574
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,360
- by this woman of
comparing him to the Beatles.
575
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,240
He lit up when he saw that,
he just turned to me from the chair-
576
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,680
- and said, "I love it, Larry. I love it."
577
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,040
If you saw it, you witnessed
one of the great bold-faced-
578
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,720
- masterpieces of promotional
hype in this hype-splattered decade.
579
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,200
This video is sending out some-
580
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,600
- very strange and mixed signals,
social signals,
581
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,280
- the cry for some critical
analysis in the media.
582
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,840
Some people in the press
got down on it because,
583
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,160
- firstly they were making
fun of Michael Jackson in it,
584
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:47,280
- and then some people got
onto the note of, "Is this racist?
585
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,000
"Are you exploiting a tragedy for
the sake of a music entertainment?"
586
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,160
You know, Marty's in Morocco,
587
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,880
- Quincy Jones is on the
red carpet somewhere-
588
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,600
- and I'm the idiot in Long Island
that getting all the calls.
589
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,080
"No, it's not racist, what are you talking about?!"
Freaking out, like a good liberal.
590
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,400
There was a ballad that was released,
591
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,800
- the first track from Thriller,
which was a duet with Paul McCartney.
592
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,600
He duplicated that by doing
a duet with Siedah Garrett.
593
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,240
25 years ago, I sat at this very spot,
594
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,280
- and played this very piano to
record I Just Can't Stop Loving You.
595
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,680
I just wanna lay next to you for a while.
596
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,040
You look so beautiful tonight.
597
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,920
Your eyes are so lovely.
598
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,600
Your mouth is so sweet.
599
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,400
A lot of people misunderstand me.
600
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,640
That's because they don't know me at all.
601
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,800
I just want to touch you.
602
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,300
And hold you.
603
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,400
I need you.
604
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,160
God, I need you.
605
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,760
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
is an interesting song-
606
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,160
- because it's the first
single released off the album,
607
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,120
- and so the firing squad was ready.
608
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,920
They would have ripped anything
apart because they were ready,
609
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,160
- they were ready to attack
whatever he threw out there.
610
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
In spite of that, it goes number one.
611
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,800
To me, I Can't Stop Loving You is like,
612
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,720
- close to his Burt Bacharach song.
613
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,600
It was actually intended as
a duet with Whitney Houston.
614
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,520
This award honours you
for your consistent artistic-
615
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,800
- and technical excellence
in all forms of video-
616
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,480
- and for raising the standard
of the art form to new horizons.
617
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,760
- Thank you, Whitney.
- You're welcome.
618
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,600
To all the fans around the world,
thank you very much, and I love you.
619
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,640
So Arista Records says,
"We don't want Whitney to be over-exposed."
620
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,140
Clive Davidson!
621
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,960
When I see Clive,
I'm going to give him hell.
622
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Just kidding, just kidding,
everybody calm down.
623
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,880
I remember when it came
out I was really disappointed-
624
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,240
- because I was like,
you're going to put out a slow song-
625
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,600
- after this whole run of
Thriller and all these songs,
626
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880
- you're going to put out a slow song?
627
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Come on, this is the big comeback.
Where's the music video?
628
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,360
And who's that girl singing?
629
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,840
I only later found out
it was Siedah Garrett.
630
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200
And there weren't very
many people in the studio.
631
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,440
It was just Michael, Quincy,
Bruce Swedien and me.
632
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,280
And Quincy just sort
of over his shoulder said,
633
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,680
- "Hey, Sid, you like the song?"
634
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,520
And I'm going, "Yeah." Knitting.
"Yeah, I like it."
635
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,680
He said, "You think you can sing it?"
I'm like, "Yeah."
636
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,320
So I walked in this room and
I see these two mic stands-
637
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,840
- and there's music
sheets on the mic stands-
638
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,760
- and in the moment that I saw
the music sheets where it said,
639
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,920
- "Michael, Siedah, Michael, Siedah,"
that was the moment I realised,
640
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,680
- oh, my God, I'm doing a
duet with Michael Jackson!
641
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,520
♪ I hear your voice now ♪
642
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,040
♪ You are my choice now ♪
643
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,320
♪ The love we bring ♪
644
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,800
♪ Heaven's in my heart ♪
645
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
♪ At your call, I hear harps ♪
646
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,160
♪ And angels sing ♪
647
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,520
I'm singing, my eyes are closed,
♪ You know how I... ♪
648
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,920
And Michael started tossing,
I think it was popcorn.
649
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,680
I'm singing,
my eyes closed and I'm feeling this,
650
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,560
- and then Quincy,
all Quincy sees is me, you know,
651
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,800
he said, "Sid, this is studio time, you're wasting time, Siedah,
652
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,760
- "you're wasting an expensive studio."
653
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,800
And Michael is cracking up.
654
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,200
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
started at 3am.
655
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,720
That's one of those you get
the phone call to wake up-
656
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,240
- and, "We need to record right now."
657
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,160
And we were done
probably in an hour and a half.
658
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,000
On the album version of
I Just Can't Stop Loving You,
659
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,960
- you make some very strong
sensuous remarks to a woman-
660
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,920
- that you're lying next to.
661
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,040
- I was in a bed when I was doing that.
- Really? - Yeah.
662
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,240
I was lying in bed,
the cover and everything.
663
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,600
♪ At night when the stars shine ♪
664
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,800
♪ I pray in you I'll find ♪
665
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,480
♪ A love so true ♪
666
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,560
♪ When morning awakes me ♪
667
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,120
♪ Will you come and take me? ♪
668
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,920
♪ I'll wait for you ♪
669
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,600
♪ You know how I feel ♪
670
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,280
♪ I won't stop until ♪
671
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,480
♪ I hear your voice saying "I do" ♪
672
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,520
♪ I do ♪
673
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,360
♪ This thing can't go wrong ♪
674
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,720
♪ This feeling so strong ♪
675
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,440
♪ My life ain't worth living ♪
♪ if I can't be with you. ♪
676
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,360
When I was recording my bits,
I didn't need any charts,
677
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,160
- I would just listen to the demo,
678
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,440
- really, internalise the parts that way-
679
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,000
- and in talking a little bit with Michael
and getting his wishes across, musically,
680
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
- I just translate all that and play it.
681
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,800
♪ Hee-hee-hee, won't you, girl. ♪
682
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,320
I was slated to be on the Bad tour.
683
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,280
I was convinced by my record
company and other people-
684
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,720
- that I needed to do a record
cos the duet had just come out.
685
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,960
I'd rehearsed with them for a week-
686
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,480
- when I decided I wanted to
do my record so I pulled out.
687
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,720
♪ At night when the stars shine ♪
688
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,480
♪ I pray that I'll find ♪
689
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,480
♪ A love so true ♪
690
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,040
The band used to bet on whether
Michael was getting excited-
691
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,400
- during the song. Now...
692
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,280
- Singing to you?
- Yeah. I say that's a stretch.
693
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,960
♪ I'll wait for you ♪
694
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,520
♪ You know how I feel ♪
695
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,600
♪ I won't stop until... ♪
696
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,800
Working with Michael and doing
the duet is really, it's intense.
697
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Every time we do that,
it's a different experience, you know.
698
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,200
And he draws you in so much and
just singing a song into his eyes-
699
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,920
- and having him look at you,
it's really exciting.
700
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,000
♪ This feeling so strong ♪
701
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,560
♪ My life ain't worth living ♪
702
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,000
♪ If I can't be with you ♪
703
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,200
♪ I just can't stop loving you ♪
704
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,080
♪ Oh! I just can't stop loving you ♪
705
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,400
♪ And if I stop, ♪
♪ tell me just what will I do? ♪
706
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,920
♪ I just can't stop loving you. ♪
707
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Michael Jackson has such a
great instinct for the groove,
708
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,280
- like the groove in Michael Jackson,
he was rocking at all times,
709
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,440
- he could hear the groove.
710
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,320
So if you take that groove and
you put it to orchestration,
711
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000
- it makes it bigger,
it makes it more powerful.
712
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,520
- Quincy Jones/Michael Jackson
collaboration was historic.
713
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,600
It was a match made in
heaven because first of all,
714
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,720
- there was a tremendous
amount of mutual respect.
715
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,760
There is no-one in popular
music history like Quincy,
716
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,200
- as an orchestrator, as a composer.
717
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,640
Coming from all of his
background, Count Basie,
718
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,960
- Frank Sinatra, Dinah Washington,
playing trumpet in Lionel Hampton's band.
719
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,800
The most beautiful part about the
love affair, and that's what it is,
720
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,080
- the love affair between a producer,
whatever you want to call it,
721
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,200
- the person that's on the other side,
722
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,760
- a person that loves that artist enough
to never want to see him in trouble,
723
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,520
- and only wants to see
the best for that artist,
724
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,040
- to come up with the best results,
725
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,120
- is an incredible trust,
where you can say,
726
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,920
"Jump, Michael, there's no
parachute, there's no net,
727
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,560
- "there's nothing there,
there's 34 stories down, jump."
728
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,280
One of the great things about
Quincy is that he has this ability-
729
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,440
- of mixing all kinds of different genres-
730
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,520
- and personalities
into one beautiful blend.
731
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Because he only uses the best,
the creme de la creme of musicians.
732
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Working with Quincy
was like being at school.
733
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,800
I learned so much about separation,
734
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,680
- in trying to make a
record where everyone,
735
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,720
- he used to say, "Everybody can't
come in the door at the same time."
736
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,160
And he used to always say,
"You can't polish doo-doo."
737
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,480
You can't polish doo-doo. You know, you've
got to have a great song at the beginning.
738
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,320
When we look at the end of
a day and I have goosebumps,
739
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,680
- and Michael has goosebumps and
Bruce Swedien, the engineer, has goosebumps,
740
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,920
- then I think we've got something special.
741
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,240
And Quincy just puts his
little fairy dust over it-
742
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,760
- and it's a Quincy Jones project
and it's kind of, as he says,
743
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,840
- "Leave space for God to walk
through the door and create some magic."
744
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,200
Michael Jackson had been
into champagne music.
745
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,560
You know how in St Tropez
when you order champagne-
746
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:04,240
- they bring the sparklers out with the champagne?
Michael saw that 20 years ago ahead and made a sound.
747
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,720
Michael Jackson made the sound of fabulous.
Him and Quincy.
748
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,680
And Michael was one of those sources
of energy where he brought so much,
749
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,240
- so much originality but
also an amazing collaborator.
750
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,120
He's so disciplined and he's
got that perfect balance-
751
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,920
- of soul and science.
He knows the working parts of his craft.
752
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,160
And he has total trust in
an intuitive part of his craft,
753
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,000
- and so that's the balance.
The head and heart.
754
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,760
Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad.
755
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,560
They created three hurricanes that
basically went through the globe-
756
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,560
- and everybody got caught up and danced.
757
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,720
Well, we're here today
to try to finish up a session-
758
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:53,520
- with Michael Jackson singing
in Spanish and in French.
759
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,800
We've spoken about
this for years and years,
760
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,280
- from when we were doing
Off The Wall and we were doing Thriller,
761
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,320
- but we never got around
to it because by the time-
762
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,040
- we finished the album, we'd do disco
versions and we'd do videos et cetera-
763
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,920
- and I think inside we weren't really
sure whether we could make it work.
764
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,480
♪ Como la briza... ♪
765
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,480
The one thing I didn't think was possible-
766
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,880
- was just to do a translation of the song.
767
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,800
- Word for word, you mean, right?
- Yes.
768
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,000
So what I said was,
"Let me understand the song-
769
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,400
- and I'll be as close as I can
to what the song was about."
770
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,800
♪ Tu me haces sentir ♪
771
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,560
♪ Deseos de vivir ♪
772
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,400
♪ Junto a ti por siemp're ♪
773
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,520
♪ Tu amor es mi suerte ♪
774
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,080
One more.
I think I need more level in the phones,
775
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,840
- like I'm drowning the track out.
776
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,920
It was a privilege for me to
watch the way he performed-
777
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,640
- and the way he handled this.
778
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,920
He felt perhaps a bit vulnerable.
779
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,200
I'm sorry. You can continue. Here we go.
780
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,920
When you control the whole thing,
781
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,800
- all of a sudden now somebody's
telling you how to do something-
782
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,480
- in a language that is not yours,
and so you are vulnerable.
783
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,280
And I made it my main effort
to make him feel comfortable,
784
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,560
- not to feel that I was in any way
mocking him because it's not easy.
785
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,720
This is the first time he ever tried to
do anything in Spanish that I know of.
786
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,760
I wanted Michael to sound like,
you don't know who that is.
787
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,640
The pronunciation was so good,
788
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,240
- that... I was stunned.
789
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,240
♪ Y cuando no estas ♪
790
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,840
♪ No hay felicidad ♪
791
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,280
Both of them: "Mi vida no es vida."
792
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,400
My life is not a life.
Si tu te vas, if you leave.
793
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,280
♪ Si tu te vas. ♪
794
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,000
Todo me amor eres tu - all my love,
you are all my love.
795
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,040
♪ Todo mi amor eres tu. ♪
796
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,920
When people found out that
Michael Jackson had sung a song in Spanish,
797
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,600
- they were very, very,
very proud and happy.
798
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,680
Well, The Hayvenhurst studio
is located in a guest house here-
799
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,280
- at the Jacksons' property, at their home,
800
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,680
- and the studio was used
for recording demos-
801
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,760
- and I worked with Michael recording
and developing his ideas, his songs,
802
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,680
- his arrangements,
his productions for the Bad album.
803
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,680
Over a two, three year period of time,
804
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,360
- it was just a non-stop work in progress.
805
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:40,640
The number of demos that we worked
on for Bad was 60, maybe 65 demos.
806
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,960
When I received the demos,
they were in really good shape at that time.
807
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200
I guess I didn't realise at the
time but what we were doing-
808
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,960
- was we were forming the B team.
809
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,440
Quincy always called his team the A-Team.
His engineer, Bruce Swedien...
810
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440
...John Robinson on drums...
811
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,640
- ..arranger Jerry Hayes...
- ..Nathan East on bass...
812
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Keyboards would have
been Greg Phillinganes.
813
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,120
I started with Michael here at Hayvenhurst.
814
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,400
We were the kind of initial
team which was John Barnes,
815
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,280
- myself, Michael,
Bill Bottrell, Chris Currell.
816
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,520
And then at times other
musicians would come in,
817
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,960
- most prominent would be David Williams,
who is no longer with us.
818
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,760
And in some ways I think
Michael kind of liked that vibe.
819
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,920
He kind of liked the vibe of,
you know, having a little competition-
820
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,720
- to see who could come
up with the best thing.
821
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,000
I think this is one of the things that
he learned from his Motown days,
822
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,920
- something he learned from Berry Gordy.
823
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,800
We weren't making demos,
we were making records.
824
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,200
Anybody else would be perfectly happy-
825
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,760
- to accept a Michael
demo as a finished record,
826
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,440
- let me put it that way.
827
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,440
We would work every single day on
creating individual sounds for songs-
828
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,000
- that were going to
ultimately be on the record.
829
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,800
We'd record them,
re-record them, different keys,
830
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,400
- different speeds,
different instrumentation,
831
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,720
- and so that became kind of an
experiment in how far can we push.
832
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:12,080
Michael would say,
"You know, it starts in this very room."
833
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,840
And from this room it goes out
and it spreads over the entire world.
834
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,600
It's...
quite an experience to be back here,
835
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,560
- at Hayvenhurst studio,
836
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,080
- just as it was when I last
left it, almost 25 years ago.
837
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,440
We never knew what we were
going to do when we showed up.
838
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,600
If Michael was inspired, we followed it.
839
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,160
So this is Michael singing
multiple harmony parts.
840
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,240
This is Michael double-tracking,
the mid, the low, the high parts.
841
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:51,560
There is actually ten tracks of Michael
singing his own backgrounds on this song.
842
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,560
♪ The way you make me feel ♪
843
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,920
♪ You really turn me on ♪
844
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,920
♪ You knock me off my feet. ♪
845
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,760
You can hear the difference in
sound quality from being out here-
846
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,680
- in the music room,
to walking into the bathroom.
847
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,880
Now this room was one of
Michael's favourite places-
848
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,880
- because of the nature
of the surfaces in this room.
849
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:19,640
One of the things that we would do is we would
record with the door to the shower open,
850
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,760
- much more reflective,
a lot of what we call early reflection,
851
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,400
- a lot of brightness, a lot of
reinforcement to how things sound.
852
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,680
♪ I like the style of your ♪
♪ walk your talk, your dress ♪
853
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,920
♪ I feel your fever from miles around ♪
854
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,660
♪ I'll pick you up... ♪
855
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,560
♪ ...paint the town ♪
856
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,080
♪ Just kiss me baby and tell me twice ♪
857
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,720
♪ That you're... ♪
I know this part!
858
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:10,160
♪ The way you make me feel ♪
859
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,800
Ha, I know that!
860
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,160
♪ It really turns me o-o-on ♪
861
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,440
♪ Knocking me off of my feet now, baby ♪
862
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,480
♪ Lonely days are gone ♪
863
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,960
I met with Quincy,
Quincy Jones and Frank,
864
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,960
- to find out what they
were looking for in the video.
865
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,920
And they said, basically, we want
to take Michael to another level,
866
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,160
- especially with his
relationships with women.
867
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,400
And then I talked to Michael and I said,
"Where do you want it to happen?" He said, "Skid Row."
868
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,600
We wrote a long prequel,
just like they did in Bad.
869
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,960
- I contacted August Wilson.
- Yeah?! - Yeah.
870
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,880
Cos I'm from Pittsburgh and so was he.
871
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,840
- What did August say?
- No. He said no.
872
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,120
I did this little documentary
about the guys on the street,
873
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,640
- real, real stuff,
and showed it to Michael.
874
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,720
He looked at it and actually said,
875
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,400
- "Can we make the video look like this?"
Because it was all handheld and jerky.
876
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,800
And I said, "If that's what you want.
You're sure you want that?" He said, "yeah."
877
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,400
Get out of here, man!
878
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,200
Check out that rear end! Whoo!
879
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,160
Don't touch my head!
No!
880
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,720
You're acting like a little tramp!
881
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:25,320
And we actually used real
gang members in the video.
882
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,920
We had the V13s down here on this corner-
883
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,080
- and the Crips on this corner,
and some of the guys were smoking-
884
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,200
- and Michael came and he said,
"Jo, the guys are smoking down there.
885
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,200
"It's kind of bothersome."
And I just turned and said,
886
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,680
- "Will you fucking guys
quit fucking smocking?!"
887
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,560
And Michael, he almost panicked,
he almost hid behind me-
888
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,280
- because this is all these gang members,
889
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,560
- we had cops everywhere, though.
It wasn't a problem.
890
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,060
Hey!
891
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,460
When he sees the girl,
he did a thing with his fingers going...
892
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,720
It happened once, my brother was operating the
camera and caught it. I said, "Oh, my God, thank God."
893
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,720
Michael had the best-sounding fingers,
didn't he?
894
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,640
I don't remember which song it is,
895
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,400
- but on Bad he has
a credit for finger snaps.
896
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,240
One of the most amazing moments
that I remember was Michael walking,
897
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:35,520
- walking, walking,
and catches up to Tatyana,
898
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,440
- and sings for the first time...
899
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,360
♪ You knock me off of ♪
♪ my feet now, baby, hoo! ♪
900
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,440
Everything stopped.
We had to stop shooting because people just froze.
901
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,360
They actually froze.
902
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,080
♪ Hoo! ♪
903
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:03,480
To play a shuffle like that
for 12 minutes is not easy.
904
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,800
Michael's mother,
she has this song in mind.
905
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,840
She says, "Michael, you've
got to come up with a song-
906
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,520
- that has this real
shuffling kind of rhythm."
907
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,040
And Michael says,
"OK, I'll see what I can come up with."
908
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,640
Shuffles have a unique rhythm.
Most songs you hear are kind of linear.
909
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,600
Shuffles have an extra
rhythmic element going on.
910
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,720
You can have a cowbell underneath
the backbeat to reinforce the sound.
911
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,040
None of the backbeat that
you hear on that album-
912
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,800
- is going to have just a basic,
typical snare drum sound.
913
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,120
I recorded the drums on a wooden platform.
914
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,200
It minimises what is
called secondary pick-up,
915
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,680
- which is where the
other mics in the room-
916
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,280
- pick up from those sound sources.
917
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,120
And then we got the idea,
918
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,800
- why doesn't Michael stand
on that when he sings?
919
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,640
And he did, and it sounds glorious.
920
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,720
♪ Hey, pretty baby ♪
♪ with the high heels on ♪
921
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,160
♪ You give me fever like ♪
♪ I've never ever known... ♪
922
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,880
This was my first album
ever as a little girl.
923
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,840
I cried and cried to my mom,
begged her to please buy this for me.
924
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,840
I would play this like crazy,
and dance with it.
925
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,240
I mean, this was a dream come true.
This was something I had fantasised-
926
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,800
- and dreamed about since
I was five or six years old.
927
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,800
♪ You're the one for me ♪
928
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,280
♪ The way you make me feel... ♪
929
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,760
The girl that we finally chose,
Tatiana, wasn't in my first five.
930
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,440
I didn't like her.
931
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,640
And I showed Frank DiLeo,
his manager, the casting tape-
932
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,240
- and he said,
"That girl's running around with Prince.
933
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,840
"If Michael finds out, he'll be upset."
934
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,960
"And that girl's running around with so-and-so,
935
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,480
- I'm not going to name names."
936
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,880
He said, "I can't say."
Cos it was Quincy Jones.
937
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,440
I think. As I remember.
938
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,960
She seemed physically to be the
female version of Michael Jackson.
939
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,000
There may have been, in his head,
an interesting idea about,
940
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,040
"Wow! This is almost kind
of my perfect complement."
941
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,040
♪ I like the feelin' you're givin' me ♪
942
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,840
♪ Just hold me, ♪
♪ baby and I'm in ecstasy ♪
943
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,680
♪ Oh, I'll be workin' from 9 to 5... ♪
944
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,680
She was the finest thing around at that time.
I wanted to be Michael.
945
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,080
I wanted to be Michael,
walking right beside her,
946
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,320
- standing on cars and being...
I wanted to be Michael that day.
947
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,400
♪ Promise, baby, ♪
♪ you'll love me for ever more ♪
948
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,960
♪ I swear I'm keepin' you satisfied ♪
949
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,200
♪ Cos you're the one for me ♪
950
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,960
♪ - The way you make me feel ♪
♪ - The way you make me feel ♪
951
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,320
♪ - You really turn me on ♪
♪ - You really turn me on ♪
952
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,520
♪ You knock me off of my feet now... ♪
953
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,320
I first got hooked up with
Quincy through a band I was playing in,
954
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,160
- in Los Angeles, called Seawind.
955
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,800
We were playing at a club.
956
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,800
Quincy, always being at the
forefront of finding new talent,
957
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,200
- heard about us as a horn section,
called up one night.
958
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,520
- "Jerry, this is Quincy Jones."
- "What?"
959
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,360
- "Yeah, you want to play on a record?"
- "Of course."
960
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,840
- "You want to do an arrangement?"
- "Oh... OK."
961
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,720
He said, "And how about tomorrow?"
962
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,800
And that was kind of the beginning-
963
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,560
- of this 30-plus year
relationship with Quincy.
964
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,040
Our horn players are two saxophone players,
965
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,120
- Kim Hutchcroft and Larry Williams.
The trumpet player, Gary Grant.
966
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,600
The trombone player, Bill Reichenbach.
967
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,680
Vamp out.
968
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,520
Again, two trumpets, two saxes.
969
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,120
The day of the audition,
I wore a dance skin,
970
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,360
- a black dress with boots
and bracelets, bangles,
971
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,120
- which was kind of like my
signature thing at the time.
972
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,200
And I heard that Michael liked my look.
973
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,000
He liked the whole style of
what I had done, so he kept that.
974
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,840
We created a complete look for her.
975
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,680
Hair extensions,
we changed her make up completely.
976
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,240
I had two dresses at that time.
One was pink, one was black.
977
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,000
And the black one was kind of
reminiscent of a Tatiana dress.
978
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,680
That's the way I was living.
979
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,400
♪ Go on, girl ♪
980
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,040
♪ Go on ♪
981
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,120
♪ Ow! ♪
982
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,640
♪ Go on, girl ♪
983
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,720
♪ Oooh! ♪
984
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,280
♪ Ooh! ♪
985
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,360
The Way You Make Me Feel video,
um, you know, when he's chasing-
986
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,080
- the girl around, that was kind
of how I pictured my Baby video.
987
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,920
We kind of based it off of that.
988
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,520
In my video,
you can see I'm in a bowling alley-
989
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,720
- but it's kind of like a modern version.
990
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,600
I'm chasing her around,
trying to get her to like me.
991
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,520
♪ The way you make me feel ♪
992
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,120
♪ The way you make me feel ♪
993
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,400
♪ You really turn me good... ♪
994
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Mike called me and said,
"I told Joe Pytka,
995
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680
- who's directing it,
that I wasn't doing any dancing."
996
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,640
"But the more I listen to it,
I think I want to put some dancing in there."
997
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,800
"Could you go to a studio
and work on some stuff,
998
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,560
- then I'll come in and join you."
999
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Joe came in to see,
heard this music going on-
1000
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,280
- and was like,
"What the heck's going on in here?"
1001
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,680
I see this beautiful piece
being choreographed,
1002
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,800
- but the idea that I'd had for the
video didn't have a place for that.
1003
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,920
We had to very quickly
improvise where to put that.
1004
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,520
That's where the fire
hydrant idea came from.
1005
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,920
♪ The way you make me feel ♪
1006
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,600
♪ You really turn me on ♪
1007
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,080
♪ You knock me off my feet... ♪
1008
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,920
Fans were always
bombarding me with the question,
1009
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,560
"Why does he chase you throughout
the video only for a hug and not a kiss?"
1010
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,920
Joe Pytka, the director,
he whispered in my ear right before the-
1011
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,840
- very last scene where we hug,
and he told me, he said, "Don't kiss him."
1012
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,040
I thought the kiss was too corny.
1013
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,360
I'm not even sure I wanted
him to get that close.
1014
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,160
I wanted him to maybe stop like here.
1015
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,400
But it worked out with
the caress and the hug.
1016
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,520
He says,
"Because you were originally supposed to kiss,
1017
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,680
- but Michael is too shy
for that so don't kiss him."
1018
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,360
When Michael did finally come out
and we got close and we hugged,
1019
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:49,160
- I could smell like a minty,
minty fresh scent from his breath.
1020
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,520
That was a signal!
1021
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,680
I kind of think he came prepared but...
1022
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,360
Being told not to kiss him,
and that he couldn't handle it,
1023
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,600
- he was too shy, I didn't want
to take advantage like that.
1024
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,720
Oh, listen, Tatiana was not shy.
She was not a shy girl.
1025
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,440
And in fact,
going on with this story is little bit,
1026
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,880
- she was told,
"Definitely don't kiss Michael onstage."
1027
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,960
He was complaining she'd become too
aggressive on stage and everything.
1028
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,920
I made a joke,
"Is this going to be X-rated, this thing?"
1029
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,840
I said, "Michael, why don't you
just go fuck her? Fuck her one night.
1030
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,600
"Get it over with."
1031
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,120
He started laughing and Frank said,
"What the hell are you doing?
1032
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,880
"I've got enough Goddamn trouble
without you trying to get him-
1033
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,440
- involved with this girl."
1034
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,720
But for me,
it became policy because I said,
1035
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,440
- "OK, if Michael doesn't
kiss in the video,
1036
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,080
- I don't think anybody
should kiss in the video."
1037
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,800
So since that day,
I always edit out kisses in videos-
1038
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,200
- and one in particular,
Justin Bieber made a video.
1039
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,360
He was going to kiss
the girl and I went crazy.
1040
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,240
And I went crazy,
A - because he wanted to kiss the girl,
1041
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,800
- and B - she was a black girl.
1042
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,560
And I was like, "OK, you're about
to mess up your whole thing, man."
1043
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,640
Oh, oh, look, Granny.
It-it's...
1044
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:19,320
Ah... it's-it's... Mmm... mmm... ah!
M-M-M...
1045
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,920
Mantovani?
1046
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,040
No. Michael Jackson!
1047
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,680
Michael Jackson!
1048
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,720
Speed Demon is a song that
maybe people aren't as familiar with-
1049
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:35,080
- on the album, but actually serves
as a metaphor for the entire album.
1050
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,400
Because what Michael is trying
to do with this album is escape,
1051
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,160
- escape from all the
things that are confining him,
1052
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,000
- all the things that are suffocating him.
1053
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,640
There he is!
Hey, buddy, how about an autograph?
1054
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,640
Would you autograph my tummy?
1055
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,760
Speed Demon was my song.
1056
01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:00,120
I'm a percussionist and that song
was 100% syncopated adrenaline.
1057
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,240
In the James Brown mode of rhythm
arrangement where you use-
1058
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,680
- instruments as percussion.
1059
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,920
♪ Speed Demon ♪
1060
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,360
♪ Speed Demon... ♪
1061
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,960
It was pretty much clay-mation, you know,
1062
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,880
- matted into live action settings.
It was a real mix.
1063
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,040
The whole idea of that
music video, that short,
1064
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,880
- was really to merge live
action and clay-mation together.
1065
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,080
There was one place in
the story where, you know,
1066
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,120
- he turns into our character Spike Rabbit,
1067
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,560
- you know, as a way to sort of get
away from the paparazzi and so forth.
1068
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,600
Our Spike character wanders
through in this incredible chase,
1069
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,320
- but when they come back and they separate,
they separate like this and
1070
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,680
- so Spike's still there and Michael's
right there and they do a duet.
1071
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,840
A little dance thing.
1072
01:03:53,840 --> 01:04:00,080
So we had to make Spike Rabbit
dance right alongside Michael.
1073
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,360
That was really,
really fun because, for one thing,
1074
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,880
- we had to work out the choreography
between what he was going to do-
1075
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,560
- and how we were going to do it,
and figure out exactly how the-
1076
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,320
- moves were going to work,
and work it right to the music and so on.
1077
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,680
Instead of easing into it,
maybe just really hit it. Full load.
1078
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,880
I wish I could. I feel so limited.
This stuff is so tight on me.
1079
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:29,320
Upon finishing with Speed Demon,
he called up one day,
1080
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,160
- he got around to saying how
much he loved the California Raisin-
1081
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,960
- commercials,
so I realised where he was going.
1082
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,040
And I said,
"Michael, you should be a raisin."
1083
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,540
"Yeah!"
1084
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,880
"Will, I really need you to call
me pertaining to the backup guys,
1085
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,760
- the character's got to be much stronger."
1086
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,480
"It doesn't hit it right on."
1087
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,440
"This is very important.
Thank you. Bye."
1088
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,680
The rap raisins materialising behind me,
1089
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,400
- I want to define their character.
1090
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,560
And from his expression,
which is 99% of it.
1091
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:15,440
The one guy has the glasses,
and he has the type of attitude that-
1092
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,440
- he's so cool that I'm
fortunate that he's here.
1093
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,920
And he's much too cool for,
like, one of these.
1094
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,160
And the other one is like a sarc...
sarcasm.
1095
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,840
It's like, "What you looking at?"
1096
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,000
The other raisin would be this style.
No glasses.
1097
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,000
So his eyes are most of the expression.
Like...
1098
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,800
Like that.
1099
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,320
♪ I heard it through the grapevine ♪
1100
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,640
♪ Raised in the California sunshine ♪
1101
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,320
♪ Heard it through the grapevine, baby ♪
1102
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:27,520
Michael!
1103
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:28,720
♪ Oooh ♪
1104
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,560
♪ And I think I'm about to lose my mind ♪
1105
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,120
♪ Oooh! ♪
1106
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,640
Wow!
Must have been something I ate.
1107
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:46,920
Right now on the decks I have
the 12-inch single to Liberian Girl-
1108
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,920
- and Run DMC's beats to Sucka MCs.
1109
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,840
It sounds something like this.
1110
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:01,920
Quincy wanted some kind of
African little intro thing here.
1111
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,200
So this was Michael Boddicker on synth-
1112
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,920
- and all these effects-
1113
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:14,120
- are kind of giving an
African sunrise sort of thing.
1114
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,640
♪ Naku penda piya-naku ♪
♪ taka piya-mpenziwe. ♪
1115
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,480
I mean, people underestimated
how radical that was.
1116
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,680
Nobody else was writing
songs about African women-
1117
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,000
- as beautiful in 1987-1988.
1118
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,520
- It's so nice to see you again.
- Nice to see you too.
1119
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,520
I've had the time of my life here.
I'd had so much fun.
1120
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:48,800
I hate to leave.
1121
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,560
Here's the biggest pop star in the world,
1122
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,200
- who quote-unquote is making
himself look white, and yet he's very-
1123
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,720
- engaged with beauty and the
idea of Africa as a site of beauty.
1124
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,520
It's just speaks to the fact
that Michael had a very strong-
1125
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,720
- African consciousness.
He went to Africa a lot.
1126
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,880
He was very engaged with the continent.
1127
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,160
Is there a Liberian girl in your life?
1128
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,720
No. I wrote that at my house,
in the game room.
1129
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,440
I guess I was playing
some pinball or something.
1130
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,400
And the song just popped into my head.
1131
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:24,480
I think I ran upstairs,
put it on tape and it became Liberian Girl.
1132
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:29,120
When it was created,
it just happened like lightning.
1133
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,800
It was just an instant thing.
1134
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,400
Normally, it took a lot of
time to put things together.
1135
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,240
That one happened in three or four hours.
1136
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,560
I'm a great believer in sonic fantasy.
1137
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,160
Not sonic reality.
1138
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:50,320
Sonic fantasy means creating
a soundscape that exists-
1139
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:54,560
- only in your imagination.
That only you can see.
1140
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:59,600
So I could see these incredible
soundscapes, and I thought...
1141
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,640
Liberian Girl?
1142
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,360
- Liberian girl is...
- My man!
1143
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,080
...Is a perfect example.
1144
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,240
I did a little synth work on that.
1145
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,680
That part right there.
1146
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,080
And it's got a little bird thing
happening there on the end of it.
1147
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,600
Quincy said, "Give me some
of that bird stuff, Boddicker."
1148
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,240
That's got a little bit of it.
The next time is even more so.
1149
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:28,840
So... there's this part that I wrote.
1150
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,920
I played drums Speed Demon, Liberian Girl.
1151
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,400
That was good, Liberian Girl
was a fun song to do-
1152
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,480
- because everyone would always ask me,
1153
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:40,960
- "Why did Michael write a song
about a lady working in a library?"
1154
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,360
Yeah, there's a little sexy
lady behind the counter with-
1155
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,040
- the glasses and the pencil in her hair.
1156
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,280
Then she drops her
hair and does that thing.
1157
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,440
I thought that's what he was talking about.
1158
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,680
No, that's not...
1159
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,240
That was just... he thought that was
the funniest thing he's ever heard.
1160
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,840
The video for Liberian Girl
is probably the point where-
1161
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,320
- they may have run over budget.
1162
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,400
It just has a bunch of celebrities-
1163
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,040
- that are waiting for Michael to show up.
1164
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,080
♪ With two lovers in a scene ♪
1165
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,360
♪ And she says, "Do you love me?" ♪
1166
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,880
♪ And he says so endlessly ♪
1167
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,560
♪ "I love you, Liberian girl"... ♪
1168
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,080
Michael was not in Liberian Girl-
1169
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,960
- because I think he got
tired of making videos.
1170
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,360
I was talking to
Walter Yetnikoff about it and he said,
1171
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,160
- "You've got to get him in the video."
1172
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,720
So I called up Michael and said,
1173
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,240
- "You've got to be in
this video someplace."
1174
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,640
And he goes,
"OK, I have an idea."
1175
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,760
And he goes, "You got one take.
You got 15 minutes."
1176
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,600
One sec. Just let me tell you when I'm ready. One sec.
1177
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,160
- Ready?
- Almost.
1178
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,280
And he got in the chair, they raised
it up in the air, and said, "Action!"
1179
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:48,880
Action!
1180
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,520
OK, everybody.
That's a wrap.
1181
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,480
Cut!
1182
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:04,160
They didn't even shut the engine off.
1183
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,360
They got out of the car,
no make up, got in the chair.
1184
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,520
It was one take.
In, out, and Michael left.
1185
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,440
I'm going to mock myself.
1186
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:19,040
♪ I watch you on the floor ♪
1187
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,040
♪ Cheek to cheek ♪
1188
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,400
♪ She's getting to you ♪
1189
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,640
♪ You didn't see ♪
♪ her eyes on me, no... ♪
1190
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,280
More time, please.
1191
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,080
How did Just Good Friends
make that album? Well...
1192
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,120
Michael or Stevie could've
written a better song.
1193
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,440
- Exactly.
- Taken something from their back catalogue.
1194
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:43,240
An album should be built
with peaks and valleys.
1195
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:49,480
Michael Jackson with Bad
actually tried to achieve 11 peaks.
1196
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:53,280
I believe that in Michael's
head everything had to hit you-
1197
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,720
- out the box, and absolutely
become a monstrous single.
1198
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,480
And because they were
attempting to go for the single,
1199
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:04,280
- and the summit meeting
between two former child prodigies-
1200
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,320
- from the Motown school,
that you expected fireworks.
1201
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,680
You know, Just Good Friends
just wound up being a little-
1202
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:19,080
- coffee break in between
Liberian Girl and Another Part Of Me.
1203
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,480
I think there was a lot that
did exist at that point that-
1204
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:27,000
- would have been...
as strong or stronger.
1205
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:31,160
I mean, his vault has got to be staggering.
1206
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,200
- My man Stevie wonder.
- I mean, unbelievable talent.
1207
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,880
And he's another worker like that.
1208
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,680
He'd be working and recording every day.
1209
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:47,840
I had on my album that I wanted
him to do... my character's album,
1210
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,160
- which was Get It.
1211
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,960
So we sort of both did each
other a favour, favour, favour.
1212
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,680
But I made sure the song
he did of mine I wrote.
1213
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,660
Yeah.
1214
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,320
♪ My baby love me ♪
1215
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,680
♪ - I'm her doggone lover ♪
♪ - You don't know... ♪
1216
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,720
That one, we couldn't get the right song.
1217
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,840
I know I didn't have the right song so...
1218
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,640
If somebody says that didn't work,
I know it didn't work.
1219
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,320
♪ - Hoo-hooo! ♪
♪ - Doot-Do-Do-Doo ♪
1220
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,840
♪ - Hoo-hooo! ♪
♪ - Doot-Do-Do-Doo... ♪
1221
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,960
- It's starting to get stinky now.
- I can just punch that part in.
1222
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,840
Excuse me? Great.
1223
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,440
Can we go home?
1224
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:33,480
- Is that it?
- I just ran off, didn't I?
1225
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:37,240
Another Part Of Me.
My favourite cut on the Bad album.
1226
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,280
All the instruments
incorporated in that song,
1227
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,520
- as well as just his vocals, nobody
can kind of, you know, teach that.
1228
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,840
I think that's just natural.
1229
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,720
So whatever he was on at that time,
when he was just like,
1230
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,360
- "Yo, I'm in this. I feel this.
I need to do this."
1231
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,520
Like, I just think that's his blessing.
1232
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,040
The song itself actually wasn't
going to make it onto the album-
1233
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,880
- because he'd recorded it earlier.
1234
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,360
And he actually preferred
a song called Streetwalker.
1235
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,320
♪ Pretty baby I got kisses for you, lover ♪
1236
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,440
♪ I really get it when ♪
♪ you're next to me... ♪
1237
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,640
The litmus test is always,
what song gets Michael dancing?
1238
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,640
So when Quincy saw Michael
dancing all round the studio to-
1239
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,920
- another Part Of Me said,
"That's what makes this song go on the album."
1240
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,800
Michael Jackson's Bad is black music,
1241
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,760
- dare I say,
pop music's first stadium album.
1242
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,880
Every song, I can hear it being
thought of in his head as,
1243
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,400
- "This is what I want it to be-
1244
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,640
- when I perform it in front
of 60.000 to 80.000 people."
1245
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,840
Hey! Hey! Hey!
1246
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,840
♪ We're taking over ♪
1247
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,280
♪ We have the truth ♪
1248
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,680
♪ This is a mission ♪
1249
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,840
♪ To see it through ♪
1250
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,800
♪ Don't point your finger ♪
1251
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,720
♪ Not dangerous ♪
1252
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,800
♪ This is my planet ♪
1253
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,320
♪ You're one of us ♪
1254
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,560
♪ We're sending out ♪
1255
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,440
♪ A major love ♪
1256
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,720
♪ And this is our ♪
1257
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,320
♪ - Message to you ♪
♪ - Message to you ♪
1258
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,720
♪ The planets are lining up ♪
1259
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,480
♪ We're bringing brighter days ♪
1260
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:24,600
♪ They're all in line ♪
1261
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,160
♪ Waiting for you ♪
1262
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,480
♪ You're just another part of me ♪
1263
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,000
♪ Heee-heee ♪
1264
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,680
♪ Ow! ♪
1265
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,280
♪ Over the nation ♪
1266
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,720
♪ Fulfil the truth ♪
1267
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,760
♪ The final message ♪
1268
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,920
♪ We're bringing to you ♪
1269
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,880
♪ There is no danger ♪
1270
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,760
♪ Fulfil the truth ♪
1271
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,520
♪ So come together ♪
1272
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,600
♪ We mean you ♪
1273
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,080
♪ I'm sending out ♪
1274
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,120
♪ A major love ♪
1275
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,040
♪ And this is our ♪
1276
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,640
♪ - Message to you ♪
♪ - Message to you ♪
1277
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,440
♪ The planets are lining up ♪
1278
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,760
♪ We're bringing brighter days ♪
1279
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,400
♪ They're all in line ♪
1280
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,900
♪ Waiting for you ♪
1281
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,720
♪ They're just another part of me ♪
1282
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,600
♪ Heee-heee ♪
1283
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,100
♪ Ow! ♪
1284
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:24,400
♪ Do-do-do-do ♪
1285
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,800
♪ Ow! ♪
1286
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,560
♪ Hee-hee-hee! ♪
1287
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,060
♪ Hee-hee-hee! ♪
1288
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:56,200
♪ I'm sending out ♪
1289
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,400
♪ A major love ♪
1290
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,320
♪ And this is my ♪
1291
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,640
♪ - Message to you ♪
♪ - Message to you ♪
1292
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,720
♪ The planets are lining up ♪
1293
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,880
♪ We're bringing brighter days ♪
1294
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,600
♪ They're all in line ♪
1295
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,160
♪ Waiting for you ♪
1296
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,400
♪ They're just another part of me ♪
1297
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,440
♪ Hee-hee! ♪
1298
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:18,940
♪ Ow! ♪
1299
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,960
♪ Another part of me ♪
1300
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,360
♪ We're taking over ♪
1301
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,360
♪ This is my plan, baby ♪
1302
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,320
♪ Hee-hee! ♪
1303
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:43,820
♪ Ow! ♪
1304
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,040
♪ Another part of me. ♪
1305
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:21,020
People forget that
Michael Jackson's a soul singer.
1306
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:23,100
Michael Jackson grew
up watching Jackie Wilson,
1307
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:25,220
- James Brown and the whole circuit,
1308
01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:29,140
- so his default move is always to go raw.
1309
01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:33,140
- I love Dirty Diana. That's probably
one of my favourites. - Why?
1310
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:37,180
Because it's a life story of a groupie,
1311
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:40,180
- I hate to say the word
groupie but that's what it is,
1312
01:18:40,180 --> 01:18:42,660
- and it's something that I've experienced-
1313
01:18:42,660 --> 01:18:45,100
- and a lot of people
who grew up on the road.
1314
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:47,220
Dirty Diana.
1315
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:50,140
Who knew that one day I
would live that song in real life-
1316
01:18:50,140 --> 01:18:52,180
- so many times over.
1317
01:18:52,180 --> 01:18:57,860
I like Dirty Diana. I've met her.
I've met Dirty Diana many times.
1318
01:18:57,860 --> 01:18:59,620
Thank you.
1319
01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:02,620
Thank you, Michael, for making
that small piece of the soundtrack-
1320
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:04,380
- to my life on tour.
1321
01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:07,180
When we were kids, we thought,
"Was he talking about Diana Ross?
1322
01:19:07,180 --> 01:19:08,940
"Did he have an affair with Diana Ross?"
1323
01:19:08,940 --> 01:19:10,500
No, that wasn't the case at all.
1324
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:13,220
But as kids we didn't know what
was going on. Who was Diana?
1325
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:14,420
What she did dirty!
1326
01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:17,980
I got a phone call out of
the clear blue from Quincy-
1327
01:19:17,980 --> 01:19:20,340
- and I thought somebody
was fucking with me.
1328
01:19:20,340 --> 01:19:23,940
So he goes, "Um... it's Quincy Jones.
1329
01:19:23,940 --> 01:19:28,260
"We're working on Michael's follow-up to Thriller.
We've got a rock track."
1330
01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:29,980
I'm not a session guitar player, man.
1331
01:19:29,980 --> 01:19:33,540
I don't, you know, I'm not that world.
1332
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:36,980
So I said to Quincy,
"The only thing I ask is that Michael-
1333
01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:38,740
- be in the studio and we work together."
1334
01:19:38,740 --> 01:19:42,860
He said, "Of course he'll be in the studio.
It's his fucking record, man.
1335
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:44,380
"He's going to be in the studio."
1336
01:19:44,380 --> 01:19:48,900
I opened up the studio door
in Westlake and three guys,
1337
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:52,260
- Bruce Swedien, the engineer,
Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson,
1338
01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:55,700
- and the first thing I noticed
was Michael had penny loafers on-
1339
01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:59,660
- and they were like
pristine and I was like,
1340
01:19:59,660 --> 01:20:02,220
- "I'll be all right.
He's wearing penny loafers."
1341
01:20:02,220 --> 01:20:05,380
This is the actual guitar that
I recorded Dirty Diana with.
1342
01:20:05,380 --> 01:20:08,260
By and large,
I'd say it's probably been in the case.
1343
01:20:08,260 --> 01:20:09,940
Maybe it's only been opened one time,
1344
01:20:09,940 --> 01:20:12,740
- I don't really play this
kind of guitar that much.
1345
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:15,740
The backing track was
about eight minutes long-
1346
01:20:15,740 --> 01:20:17,180
- and as the track is playing down,
1347
01:20:17,180 --> 01:20:19,630
- Michael is like right
here and he's going...
1348
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:27,940
And he was really adamant
there's that little space-
1349
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:30,300
- on the third phrase,
it's a subtle thing-
1350
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:32,300
- and I didn't catch it right away.
1351
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:35,700
That little thing was-
1352
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:39,660
- so important to Michael,
to catch that little space there.
1353
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:44,180
I was like, "Why is he making such
a big thing about it not playing?"
1354
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:45,540
It's brilliant though.
1355
01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:48,780
It's as important what you
don't play as what you do play.
1356
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:52,020
♪ Dirty Diana, nah ♪
1357
01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:55,140
♪ Dirty Diana, nah ♪
1358
01:20:55,140 --> 01:20:59,060
♪ Dirty Diana, no ♪
1359
01:20:59,060 --> 01:21:01,940
♪ Dirty Diana... ♪
1360
01:21:01,940 --> 01:21:03,300
It's still good.
1361
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:09,580
♪ ..Dirty Diana, ♪
♪ nah Dirty Diana, no... ♪
1362
01:21:09,580 --> 01:21:12,140
We wanted to do Dirty Diana-
1363
01:21:12,140 --> 01:21:14,620
- and so both videos
were to kind of change-
1364
01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:17,100
- the public's perception of who he was.
1365
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,820
First one was to get him a girl
and the second was to make him-
1366
01:21:19,820 --> 01:21:21,260
- a heavy metal kind of guy.
1367
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:24,780
♪ ...Diana! ♪
1368
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:27,540
♪ Diana...! ♪
1369
01:21:27,540 --> 01:21:29,820
The original idea was to have...
1370
01:21:29,820 --> 01:21:33,100
The thing finished in a
monsoon or a rainstorm.
1371
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:36,500
The second day, we were going
to have the whole stage blow away-
1372
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:40,260
- and have him finish in the rain totally...
1373
01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:41,820
The wind and rain and stuff,
1374
01:21:41,820 --> 01:21:44,740
- and I think we were going to sweep
away the audience and everything.
1375
01:21:44,740 --> 01:21:49,300
But the first day he was doing these
knee slides and didn't put pads on.
1376
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:52,740
He came to me the second day when
we were ready for all this rain stuff-
1377
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:54,420
- and said, "I can't dance any more."
1378
01:21:54,420 --> 01:21:56,900
So we couldn't resolve it that way,
but it didn't matter.
1379
01:21:56,900 --> 01:21:58,740
You see the wind and
stuff on the first day,
1380
01:21:58,740 --> 01:22:02,020
- it starts, and I guess there was
going to be a deluge after that.
1381
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:04,020
They didn't even tell me that-
1382
01:22:08,620 --> 01:22:12,300
- It showed up one day and I went,
"I can't... Are you kidding?"
1383
01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:15,820
Michael always was able to
think outside the box of what-
1384
01:22:15,820 --> 01:22:19,620
- black artists were supposed
to do and create his own space.
1385
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:24,260
There was this internal mechanism
that Michael had when he felt-
1386
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:28,260
- the music. When the rhythms were
right and when the beats were-
1387
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:33,940
- happening, when the correct emphasis
was happening and the syncopation,
1388
01:22:33,940 --> 01:22:38,420
- he'd have to move, he'd have to
dance and when he'd start to dance,
1389
01:22:38,420 --> 01:22:42,540
- we would know that the balance
was correct, the elements had-
1390
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:45,940
- the right character, the syncopation
was hitting in the right fashion.
1391
01:22:45,940 --> 01:22:48,540
Michael gave me the
music and he said, "Listen,
1392
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:53,820
- "don't impose your opinion,
or your feelings, or your choreography,
1393
01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:55,660
- or your thoughts on the music."
1394
01:22:55,660 --> 01:22:58,420
"Let the music talk to you and
tell you what it wants to be."
1395
01:22:58,420 --> 01:23:02,900
First time we discussed it,
he had got these-
1396
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:05,420
- visions in his mind of
what he wanted to do.
1397
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:09,860
The robot, the car, the kids, the drugs.
1398
01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:12,740
Every kid in this whole world
can take drugs because of me.
1399
01:23:12,740 --> 01:23:16,460
And how do we bring it all
together into a story that had-
1400
01:23:16,460 --> 01:23:18,740
- a piece in the middle,
which was the song and dance.
1401
01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:22,260
So we started working on some stuff,
it was called Chicago Nights,
1402
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:24,140
- which was really Smooth Criminal.
1403
01:23:24,140 --> 01:23:28,980
He was a huge fan of Fred Astaire
and wanted to make sure-
1404
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:33,780
- that he paid homage to
Fred Astaire in the movie.
1405
01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:37,460
"For Criminal Dance,
look at all the great dances on tape.
1406
01:23:37,460 --> 01:23:40,700
Study the great and become greater.
1407
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:43,660
Get all Bob Fosse movie, dances.
1408
01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:48,580
Study these inside out,
knowing every cut, move, music etc.
1409
01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:53,380
Flashdance, All That Jazz,
Band Wagon, girl hunt..."
1410
01:24:42,140 --> 01:24:46,180
This is a drawing titled "Criminal Jacket,"
1411
01:24:46,180 --> 01:24:49,700
- and you can see that he has
created the basic outline for the jacket-
1412
01:24:49,700 --> 01:24:54,740
- that he wound up wearing in that
short film, including the armband.
1413
01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:59,860
And he also made a note
to himself that he needed to-
1414
01:24:59,860 --> 01:25:03,460
- get his Kenny shoes now so
that he could break them in.
1415
01:25:03,460 --> 01:25:07,860
But when it came to style,
I showed Michael an all-time favourite-
1416
01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:11,260
- of mine which was The Third Man,
because it's sort of gangster-ish.
1417
01:25:11,260 --> 01:25:13,860
"We should shoot it in that kind of style,"
1418
01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:15,700
- and he just loved that style.
1419
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:18,220
And making use of the
shadows that they had with that-
1420
01:25:18,220 --> 01:25:19,900
- sort of film noir look.
1421
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:44,260
♪ As he came into the window ♪
♪ It was the sound of a crescendo ♪
1422
01:25:44,260 --> 01:25:46,140
♪ He came into her apartment ♪
1423
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:48,740
♪ He left the bloodstains on the carpet ♪
1424
01:25:48,740 --> 01:25:52,740
♪ She ran underneath the table ♪
♪ He could see she was unable ♪
1425
01:25:52,740 --> 01:25:54,580
♪ So she ran into the bedroom ♪
1426
01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:57,060
♪ She was struck down ♪
♪ It was her doom... ♪
1427
01:25:57,060 --> 01:26:00,700
There's a story actually that
Quincy told me years ago-
1428
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:04,300
- and what he said was that Michael
had the ability to come in, he could-
1429
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:08,740
- lay down the lead vocal of a track
and then he could sit there, listen,
1430
01:26:08,740 --> 01:26:13,060
- just put the time in and figure out
where all the harmonies should go-
1431
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:18,980
- and then do that, not leave
until he had the harmonies right.
1432
01:26:18,980 --> 01:26:22,580
When I think of Smooth Criminal,
I will just impress again the vocal.
1433
01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:25,500
He could sing bass, baritone and tenor,
1434
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:27,540
- but he chose to sing mostly tenor.
1435
01:26:27,540 --> 01:26:31,380
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. ♪
1436
01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:35,740
He goes straight down to bass low C,
that is low, that is a bust out-
1437
01:26:35,740 --> 01:26:40,180
- pitch and Michael would go
right on down there with vibrato-
1438
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:43,140
- and clear up to a G above high C.
1439
01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:46,780
I mean, that's enormous,
that's more than three and a half octaves.
1440
01:26:46,780 --> 01:26:50,740
He really didn't want to grow up.
He wanted a child's voice-
1441
01:26:50,740 --> 01:26:54,740
- and I always tried to encourage him
to use his beautiful speaking voice.
1442
01:26:54,740 --> 01:26:57,780
I was in Europe one time and
the phone rang and he said,
1443
01:26:57,780 --> 01:27:02,020
- "Hello," in a perfectly male voice,
baritone and I said,
1444
01:27:02,020 --> 01:27:04,660
- "Michael, why don't you use that."
1445
01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:08,300
He said,
"I don't like it down there. I like it up there."
1446
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:10,420
♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah... ♪
1447
01:27:11,780 --> 01:27:13,900
How long you want to stick with this?
1448
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:15,980
I want to be all the way open.
1449
01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:17,940
With some of the songs that he was singing,
1450
01:27:17,940 --> 01:27:21,420
- he needed a much wider vocal
range and with the exercises that-
1451
01:27:21,420 --> 01:27:26,060
- Seth Riggs provides for him, it enabled-
1452
01:27:26,060 --> 01:27:30,500
- him to open up his range so he
can sing much higher and much lower.
1453
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:33,260
♪ Mah, mah, mah, mah, mah... ♪
1454
01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:35,860
I had to make sure he and his voice-
1455
01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:38,100
- was even from bottom to top.
1456
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,340
I have some very strange exercises-
1457
01:27:40,340 --> 01:27:42,900
- that are different from most people's,
1458
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:45,420
- they're called speech-level singing,
1459
01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:47,700
- so we started doing these crazy things.
1460
01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:48,980
♪ Brrr-brrr-brrr... ♪
1461
01:27:48,980 --> 01:27:52,460
♪ Brrr-brrr-brrr... ♪
1462
01:27:52,460 --> 01:27:54,060
♪ Rrr-rrr-rrr... ♪
1463
01:27:54,060 --> 01:27:57,380
♪ Rrr-rrr-rrr... ♪
1464
01:27:57,380 --> 01:27:59,740
♪ Gee, gee, gee, gee, gee, gee... ♪
1465
01:27:59,740 --> 01:28:03,580
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh... ♪
1466
01:28:03,580 --> 01:28:04,740
Sometimes there is...
1467
01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:07,300
♪ Ahhhhh... ♪
1468
01:28:10,580 --> 01:28:13,460
I sampled P.Y.T for Good Life.
1469
01:28:13,460 --> 01:28:15,540
I actually met him at Leo's house.
1470
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:17,100
He said he liked my voice and then-
1471
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:18,660
- I think I took that too seriously-
1472
01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:21,460
- and I did a whole singing album.
1473
01:28:21,460 --> 01:28:27,540
This is the mic that are used on
Michael at about this distance-
1474
01:28:27,540 --> 01:28:30,700
- through for all the recordings.
1475
01:28:30,700 --> 01:28:33,300
Except one, Earth Song.
1476
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:36,460
♪ - What about yesterday? ♪
♪ - What about us? ♪
1477
01:28:36,460 --> 01:28:40,100
♪ - What about the seas? ♪
♪ - What about us? ♪
1478
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:43,820
This is actually a mic that is
designed for narration recording,
1479
01:28:43,820 --> 01:28:49,100
- however, I knew that the
sound of this mic would work-
1480
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:51,100
- well with Michael's voice.
1481
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:52,620
♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪
1482
01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:55,420
♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪
♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪
1483
01:28:55,420 --> 01:28:58,300
♪ Annie, are you OK? Annie, are you OK? ♪
1484
01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:59,780
♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪
1485
01:28:59,780 --> 01:29:04,340
I've never quite understood who
Annie was and why did it matter-
1486
01:29:04,340 --> 01:29:05,540
- if she was OK or not.
1487
01:29:05,540 --> 01:29:09,020
Who is Annie? I never knew that as a kid.
Let me know who Annie is.
1488
01:29:09,020 --> 01:29:14,140
Over in this corner there
was a green fibreglass case-
1489
01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:17,660
- and there was a CPR dummy in the case.
1490
01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:20,300
Michael had been given CPR lessons.
1491
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:24,180
The first thing that you do when
you're going to administer CPR-
1492
01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:27,860
- is you make a determination
of the condition of the victim.
1493
01:29:27,860 --> 01:29:31,780
He's about to do CPR on someone,
he's like, "Are you OK? Are you OK?"
1494
01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:36,300
Wow! Whose life did he think
he was going to have to save?
1495
01:29:37,820 --> 01:29:40,260
CPR dummies are all named Annie.
1496
01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:42,700
He just kept asking was Annie OK?
1497
01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:45,580
How many different ways can you say,
"Annie, are you OK?"
1498
01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:48,540
And he found like 15 different ways to say,
"Annie, are you OK?"
1499
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:53,620
It's like, "Are you OK? Are you OK?
Are you OK? Are you OK, Annie?
1500
01:29:53,620 --> 01:29:58,980
"Annie, are you OK? Are you OK?
Are you OK, Annie? Annie, are you OK?"
1501
01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:01,420
It's like, OK, I don't think she's OK.
1502
01:30:01,420 --> 01:30:04,820
I've got to be honest,
I was never a big fan of that song.
1503
01:30:04,820 --> 01:30:07,500
You know, Michael loved it to pieces.
1504
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:11,620
I remember we went to do
the video on that, I never heard...
1505
01:30:11,620 --> 01:30:16,380
It must have then 135 decibels.
Loud! Man, ears were falling off.
1506
01:30:22,260 --> 01:30:25,100
We started with maybe like
10 or 12 dancers and he then-
1507
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:28,380
- introduced me to Jeffrey and
he said, "I'd like Jeffrey to be-
1508
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:31,700
- part of this and maybe there's
some street stuff, because I've been-
1509
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:34,980
- working with Jeffrey privately
and he is teaching me some staff."
1510
01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:37,460
The thing about it is Michael can
go out to clubs and hang out-
1511
01:30:37,460 --> 01:30:39,220
- because he's Michael Jackson.
1512
01:30:39,220 --> 01:30:43,100
So through me he was picking up
what was happening in the hood-
1513
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:46,380
- and I'm taking it to his gallery over
at the Jackson house in Hayvenhurst.
1514
01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:47,540
My name is Phyllis Brooks-
1515
01:30:47,540 --> 01:30:50,380
- and I want to direct my
question to all you guys.
1516
01:30:50,380 --> 01:30:52,620
Who taught you guys your dance steps?
1517
01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:58,780
♪ She's gonna really blow your mind... ♪
1518
01:31:13,740 --> 01:31:18,060
This one guy I saw on the show,
Don Campbell, he changed my life.
1519
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:19,740
He did not dance like everybody else,
1520
01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:21,660
- he didn't move like
everybody else, he was-
1521
01:31:21,660 --> 01:31:26,140
- just walking to the beat, walking.
Walking. Walking.
1522
01:31:26,140 --> 01:31:30,020
Jump up, stop, stick out his own hand,
give him some five,
1523
01:31:30,020 --> 01:31:32,100
- hunch his shoulders, point it, pop.
1524
01:31:34,940 --> 01:31:36,180
And that was locking.
1525
01:31:36,180 --> 01:31:39,020
You could see Michael doing like...
1526
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:43,180
You could see him doing those...
1527
01:31:43,180 --> 01:31:46,140
He's putting this locking in his...
1528
01:31:46,140 --> 01:31:49,420
He was just incorporating
little things into his...
1529
01:31:49,420 --> 01:31:51,340
Stepping like that, you know.
1530
01:31:51,340 --> 01:31:54,260
Funky chicken, that's the funky chicken,
1531
01:31:54,260 --> 01:31:56,700
- so these dances came
from Soul Train too.
1532
01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:58,260
Michael Jackson, he loves it,
1533
01:31:58,260 --> 01:32:00,500
- he loves the locking,
he loves the popping.
1534
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:05,900
When you see him on
stage and he is ticking,
1535
01:32:05,900 --> 01:32:10,100
- Michael is deep into the urban
contemporary dance because I don't-
1536
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:13,150
- call it street dance no more.
It left the streets years ago.
1537
01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:22,020
I'd created movement for Michael
from his passage in to his passage out.
1538
01:32:45,220 --> 01:32:47,940
There were a couple of places
where I said, "OK, you know, Jeffrey,
1539
01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:50,620
"why don't you do this?
When he comes around the pool table,
1540
01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:53,920
- "I'd love you to do something
here and make this work over here."
1541
01:33:01,580 --> 01:33:03,740
I'd got this from a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
1542
01:33:03,740 --> 01:33:05,580
These gangsters with these gangster hats-
1543
01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:08,300
- and they are all
bouncing like this, coming.
1544
01:33:08,300 --> 01:33:11,540
I was just trying to capture
that kind of animated thing.
1545
01:33:11,540 --> 01:33:15,340
OK, here we go, same thing.
Boom, boom.
1546
01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:20,100
And again right after the hat,
I think it's the hand. Boom, boom.
1547
01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:21,700
Bang!
1548
01:33:21,700 --> 01:33:23,620
Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba!
1549
01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:24,900
Bang, bang, boom!
1550
01:33:24,900 --> 01:33:26,420
Some of the moves they did...
1551
01:33:26,420 --> 01:33:29,740
Maybe you'll find out.
I still don't know how they did that thing.
1552
01:33:35,020 --> 01:33:38,660
The whole thing with the lean,
I had done the lean-
1553
01:33:38,660 --> 01:33:41,960
- in a Paul McCartney movie called
Give My Regards To Broad Street.
1554
01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:51,620
When I'm on the plane,
when we take private jets,
1555
01:33:51,620 --> 01:33:53,340
- we always, when it's taking off,
1556
01:33:53,340 --> 01:33:56,140
- we lean forward to try to
do the same move as Michael,
1557
01:33:56,140 --> 01:33:58,020
- so it kind of looks the same!
1558
01:33:58,020 --> 01:34:01,620
So what, you want to
know how it was done?
1559
01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:03,380
Even to this day,
1560
01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:07,020
- I will reference the
Smooth Criminal lean...
1561
01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:10,940
...and people instantly
know what I'm talking about.
1562
01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:14,300
There was a break in Smooth Criminal
that was never supposed to be there.
1563
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:15,940
The music breaks down.
1564
01:34:15,940 --> 01:34:18,620
Everything gets cool.
1565
01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:22,460
They show a cat walking across
the piano, the lights go blue.
1566
01:34:22,460 --> 01:34:23,980
We did not know about this.
1567
01:34:23,980 --> 01:34:25,580
Ssh!
1568
01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:42,820
- Oh! O-o-oh!
- O-o-o-oh!
1569
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:45,900
For that break in the middle,
1570
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:48,780
- he just wanted to let
the dancers feel the set.
1571
01:34:48,780 --> 01:34:51,700
I mean, we'd been shooting
for quite a while by then,
1572
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:54,860
- and he just said, you know,
"I don't want anything to disturb us,"
1573
01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:58,460
- and I said, I was shooting
five cameras at the time,
1574
01:34:58,460 --> 01:35:00,300
- plus Jerry had five cameras,
1575
01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:02,020
- so it was ten cameras shooting-
1576
01:35:02,020 --> 01:35:05,340
- and you know, we didn't know
how long it was going to go on for.
1577
01:35:06,620 --> 01:35:09,500
Annie, are OK?
Are you OK, Annie?
1578
01:35:09,500 --> 01:35:13,220
Annie, are you OK?
So Annie, are you OK? Are you OK, Annie?
1579
01:35:13,220 --> 01:35:16,780
Annie, are you OK?
So Annie, are you OK?
1580
01:35:16,780 --> 01:35:17,940
Are you OK, Annie?
1581
01:35:17,940 --> 01:35:21,580
Annie, are you OK?
So Annie, are you OK? Are you OK, Annie?
1582
01:35:21,580 --> 01:35:23,260
Annie, are you OK?
So, Annie...
1583
01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:38,260
A lot of the songs he
writes about being observed,
1584
01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:40,820
- either from the point
of view of, he's the object-
1585
01:35:40,820 --> 01:35:45,340
- or that he becomes the person
looking at someone like him,
1586
01:35:45,340 --> 01:35:46,900
- or the objective person.
1587
01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:49,100
♪ Are you OK? ♪
♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪
1588
01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:51,700
♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪
♪ So Annie, are you OK? ♪
1589
01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:53,020
♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪
1590
01:35:53,020 --> 01:35:55,660
♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪
♪ So Annie, are you OK? ♪
1591
01:35:55,660 --> 01:35:58,780
♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪
♪ You've been hit by... ♪
1592
01:35:58,780 --> 01:36:00,900
For someone who
grew up in the spotlight,
1593
01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:03,780
- being watched is a very big
part of how you see the world.
1594
01:36:03,780 --> 01:36:05,740
This is a guy who-
1595
01:36:05,740 --> 01:36:08,260
- was never not in the newspapers-
1596
01:36:08,260 --> 01:36:09,740
- every single day-
1597
01:36:09,740 --> 01:36:11,620
- being ridiculed, "Wacko Jacko,"
1598
01:36:11,620 --> 01:36:13,940
I mean, he's a kid - on the inside,
he's a kid.
1599
01:36:13,940 --> 01:36:17,660
How that stuff doesn't penetrate
you and hurt you, hurt your spirit.
1600
01:36:17,660 --> 01:36:20,500
"Michael Jackson's got a
shrine to Elizabeth Taylor.
1601
01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:23,940
"He's got an amusement park.
He's had a lot of facial surgery,"
1602
01:36:23,940 --> 01:36:27,220
- so I said,
"Michael, when you're in the school yard-
1603
01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:29,620
- and you are the smallest
and you get teased a lot,
1604
01:36:29,620 --> 01:36:32,380
- it's really only fun to
tease you if it bothers you.
1605
01:36:32,380 --> 01:36:35,460
"If it doesn't bother you, they move on,
1606
01:36:35,460 --> 01:36:39,700
- so why don't we just take all
this crap being said about you-
1607
01:36:39,700 --> 01:36:43,100
- and why don't we say at?
Why don't we put it to visuals?"
1608
01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:47,460
Leave Me Alone - it was a lot of
fun to play that. It had that intro.
1609
01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:56,140
But there was also a string part-
1610
01:36:56,140 --> 01:36:59,380
- that kind of played the same
thing but was just accenting that...
1611
01:36:59,380 --> 01:37:02,100
And he was just kind of saying,
"Dig in," you know.
1612
01:37:03,540 --> 01:37:06,580
I remember him standing
right next to me, going...
1613
01:37:10,740 --> 01:37:13,300
See, a lot of people that misunderstand me,
1614
01:37:13,300 --> 01:37:16,060
- it's because they don't know me.
1615
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:18,140
I guess that's true.
1616
01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:21,420
People probably have a lot
of crazy stories they read.
1617
01:37:21,420 --> 01:37:23,500
You ever want to lash
out in any type of way-
1618
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:25,860
- and say, "Hey, that's not true"?
1619
01:37:25,860 --> 01:37:27,420
Yeah, a lot of times.
1620
01:37:27,420 --> 01:37:30,060
♪ I don't care what ♪
♪ you talking about, baby, ♪
1621
01:37:30,060 --> 01:37:33,180
♪ I don't care what you think... ♪
1622
01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:34,900
You can see, you know,
1623
01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:38,140
- how he's starting to
feel like he's a spectacle.
1624
01:37:38,140 --> 01:37:40,540
In the video, he's tied down.
1625
01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:43,180
It's inspired by Gulliver's Travels-
1626
01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:45,780
- and he's tied under a roller coaster-
1627
01:37:45,780 --> 01:37:48,100
- and you see these
dogs with corporate suits,
1628
01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:51,180
- banging the pegs,
trying to tie him down-
1629
01:37:51,180 --> 01:37:53,780
- in this big kind of
amusement park setting.
1630
01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:58,180
I only got a glimpse of what
his life must have been like-
1631
01:37:58,180 --> 01:38:00,060
- when I would be in Europe-
1632
01:38:00,060 --> 01:38:02,540
- and our limousines
would be attacked by mobs,
1633
01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:05,500
- with them thinking that
Michael was in our limousine-
1634
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:10,180
- and if that's your initial
introduction to the universe,
1635
01:38:10,180 --> 01:38:12,420
- when you're a five-year-old,
1636
01:38:12,420 --> 01:38:17,140
- then that has got to inform
what you feel like the world is like.
1637
01:38:17,140 --> 01:38:19,060
I'm waiting for Michael,
and a guy comes up-
1638
01:38:19,060 --> 01:38:21,940
- and I don't see Michael.
He goes, "Hi, Jeffrey, how you doing?"
1639
01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:24,220
"All right."
He says, "Are you ready to start?"
1640
01:38:24,220 --> 01:38:26,180
I go,
"Yeah," but I'm not looking at Michael.
1641
01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:27,980
I'm looking at these bushy eyebrows,
1642
01:38:27,980 --> 01:38:32,020
- a short Afro wig and these
sideburns and this make-up on.
1643
01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:34,340
Michael had been out going door-to-door-
1644
01:38:34,340 --> 01:38:36,700
- for his Jehovah's Witnesses.
He put on a disguise,
1645
01:38:36,700 --> 01:38:39,820
- so people wouldn't know
Michael Jackson was knocking on their door.
1646
01:38:39,820 --> 01:38:42,340
I'm sure some people were
slamming the door in his face,
1647
01:38:42,340 --> 01:38:44,420
- like, "Jehovah's Witness,
get out of here!"
1648
01:38:44,420 --> 01:38:46,900
Sometimes I want to sneak into places-
1649
01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:50,660
- and not have any hoopla or, you know...
1650
01:38:50,660 --> 01:38:53,580
...and it doesn't work all the time.
1651
01:38:53,580 --> 01:38:55,180
I went to the shrine auditorium-
1652
01:38:55,180 --> 01:38:57,660
- and a guy tapped me on the back-
1653
01:38:57,660 --> 01:39:01,340
- and I turned around
and it was an old man.
1654
01:39:01,340 --> 01:39:04,260
I said, "What is this?"
He said, "It's Michael!"
1655
01:39:04,260 --> 01:39:07,500
I said,
"Man, you scared the mess out of me!"
1656
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:09,380
I have incredible disguises.
1657
01:39:09,380 --> 01:39:12,100
I can fool my own mother-
1658
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:14,700
- and I enjoy doing it-
1659
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:17,900
- because I get to see life
the way it really is sometimes.
1660
01:39:17,900 --> 01:39:20,700
One day, he said,
"You know, my brothers are in town-
1661
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:24,420
- "so I'm going to see them tonight."
I said, "That's cool, all right."
1662
01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:26,300
So the next day I came onto the set-
1663
01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:29,380
- and Michael goes,
"Yeah, I waited for my brothers all night.
1664
01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:32,620
"I fixed my hair and everything
but they didn't show up."
1665
01:39:34,060 --> 01:39:37,140
Sorry this bothers me,
1666
01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:40,980
- but he said, "I would give anything
just to be able to go to a party-
1667
01:39:40,980 --> 01:39:43,220
- and stand in a corner somewhere,
1668
01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:46,580
- stand behind a curtain and put
my head out and be able to see-
1669
01:39:46,580 --> 01:39:49,740
- what it's like for real
people to just be real people."
1670
01:39:49,740 --> 01:39:53,180
♪ The choice that we make ♪
♪ and the choice you will take ♪
1671
01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:55,980
♪ Who's laughing, baby? ♪
1672
01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:58,380
♪ Just leave me alone ♪
1673
01:39:58,380 --> 01:40:00,460
♪ Leave me alone! ♪
♪ Leave me alone... ♪
1674
01:40:00,460 --> 01:40:02,220
When you see that film,
1675
01:40:02,220 --> 01:40:03,580
- with all of those images,
1676
01:40:03,580 --> 01:40:05,660
- every image that you see of Michael-
1677
01:40:05,660 --> 01:40:07,980
- started out as 35mm movie film,
1678
01:40:07,980 --> 01:40:11,980
- which then turned into a
stack of photo prints this tall,
1679
01:40:11,980 --> 01:40:16,500
- which people sat around
for two weeks, cutting out.
1680
01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:20,180
There was one guy whose job
was just cutting out Michael's hair.
1681
01:40:20,180 --> 01:40:25,380
The Charlie Chaplin ball
and chain idea was Michael's.
1682
01:40:25,380 --> 01:40:26,860
We knew we had a sequence where-
1683
01:40:26,860 --> 01:40:29,900
- we wanted to have a dance
sequence with the Elephant Man's bones,
1684
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:33,460
- and so Michael showed up the
day of the shoot with that piece.
1685
01:40:35,540 --> 01:40:40,540
Leave Me Alone was
extremely ahead of its time.
1686
01:40:41,700 --> 01:40:45,220
Leave Me Alone was my favourite
video and song off that album.
1687
01:40:45,220 --> 01:40:47,660
Just, even the amusement park setup-
1688
01:40:47,660 --> 01:40:50,220
- and the way they chop the graphics up.
1689
01:40:50,220 --> 01:40:53,940
There is nothing that compares
to that, even to this day,
1690
01:40:53,940 --> 01:40:55,540
- as far as visuals go.
1691
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:59,260
Michael's quest for creative independence,
1692
01:40:59,260 --> 01:41:01,820
- which started when he
and his brothers left Motown,
1693
01:41:01,820 --> 01:41:04,860
- continued through
Off The Wall and Thriller,
1694
01:41:04,860 --> 01:41:07,760
- reached a high point with
the Bad album and the Bad tour.
1695
01:41:08,380 --> 01:41:09,740
He didn't tour with Thriller,
1696
01:41:09,740 --> 01:41:12,060
- and then with Bad,
he finally had an opportunity-
1697
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:14,060
- to create the kind of
show he wanted to create,
1698
01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:16,460
- the kind of show that¨
represented him as a solo artist.
1699
01:41:16,460 --> 01:41:18,540
It was Michael's first solo tour-
1700
01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:22,620
- and in fact, it was the only tour
in the US that Michael ever conducted.
1701
01:41:22,620 --> 01:41:24,740
What a night! What a crowd,
1702
01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:26,260
- what a gig, what a venue.
1703
01:41:26,260 --> 01:41:28,420
Who'd have thought Wembley Stadium,
1704
01:41:28,420 --> 01:41:31,380
- the home of Live Aid,
the home of Nelson Mandela-
1705
01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:34,420
- and now, the home of the king of it all!
1706
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:37,540
It's a gruelling tour.
1707
01:41:37,540 --> 01:41:41,780
It starts in September 1987
and goes until January 1989.
1708
01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:44,660
He did 15 different countries,
1709
01:41:44,660 --> 01:41:46,700
- 123 different shows,
1710
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:50,140
- and it proved to be one of the
most successful concert tours in history.
1711
01:41:50,140 --> 01:41:53,820
The Bad world tour set three
Guinness Book of World Records.
1712
01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:56,660
One was the highest
grossing tour of all time,
1713
01:41:56,660 --> 01:41:59,420
- the most attended tour in history-
1714
01:41:59,420 --> 01:42:02,100
- and then, the shows that
he did at Wembley in London-
1715
01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:06,020
- were the most consecutive shows
an artist had ever sold out in history.
1716
01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:07,940
The tour generated a lot of income-
1717
01:42:07,940 --> 01:42:10,500
- and Michael Jackson
donated a lot of that income-
1718
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:12,100
- to charities of his choice.
1719
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:14,980
We're making a very,
very large contribution-
1720
01:42:14,980 --> 01:42:16,300
- to the Prince's Trust fund-
1721
01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:18,900
- and it will go to the
Ormond Street Hospital.
1722
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:21,100
Camp Goodtimes,
Ronald McDonald House...
1723
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:22,740
The United Negro College Fund-
1724
01:42:22,740 --> 01:42:25,740
- and the Burns Center,
the Michael Jackson Burns Center.
1725
01:42:25,740 --> 01:42:27,240
I love you!
1726
01:42:37,940 --> 01:42:41,380
This is hard, um...
1727
01:42:41,380 --> 01:42:45,540
My brother, the legendary
King Of Pop, Michael Jackson,
1728
01:42:45,540 --> 01:42:48,460
- passed away on Thursday, June 25,
1729
01:42:48,460 --> 01:42:52,300
- 2009 at 2.26pm.
1730
01:42:52,300 --> 01:42:53,940
I...
1731
01:42:53,940 --> 01:42:59,180
...had performed about a year
or so before then in Australia,
1732
01:42:59,180 --> 01:43:01,620
- and I remember having this dream-
1733
01:43:01,620 --> 01:43:04,980
- that I was listening to the radio and...
1734
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:08,820
...on the radio came that
Michael Jackson had died.
1735
01:43:08,820 --> 01:43:11,820
Then I woke up, you know,
sweating and nervous-
1736
01:43:11,820 --> 01:43:13,140
- and just really going crazy.
1737
01:43:13,140 --> 01:43:15,740
Where were you when you heard Michael died?
1738
01:43:15,740 --> 01:43:18,140
Um, I was in Montreal.
1739
01:43:18,140 --> 01:43:21,140
I was directing a project
for Cirque du Soleil.
1740
01:43:21,140 --> 01:43:25,020
I was sitting here in
this chair in this room.
1741
01:43:25,020 --> 01:43:26,700
I was in Savannah, Georgia.
1742
01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:28,500
I was at my own studio.
1743
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:30,620
When he died,
I was supposed to go meet him.
1744
01:43:30,620 --> 01:43:32,700
I was supposed to see
him at the Staples Centre.
1745
01:43:32,700 --> 01:43:34,660
I think I was in a car.
1746
01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:36,540
I was actually driving in the car.
1747
01:43:36,540 --> 01:43:38,300
I know I was home that day.
1748
01:43:38,300 --> 01:43:39,800
So I turned on the radio.
1749
01:43:41,020 --> 01:43:42,300
Then I hear...
1750
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:45,380
I was on a radio promo
tour and I was just in the car,
1751
01:43:45,380 --> 01:43:47,220
- going to my next radio station.
1752
01:43:47,220 --> 01:43:48,420
I was on the set.
1753
01:43:48,420 --> 01:43:52,980
I was shooting... um, Boardwalk Empire.
1754
01:43:52,980 --> 01:43:56,300
At my job, Late Night With Jimmy Fallon.
1755
01:43:56,300 --> 01:44:00,180
I was in London, going to get
some bottled water from the store.
1756
01:44:00,180 --> 01:44:01,500
I was at my house in L.A.
1757
01:44:01,500 --> 01:44:05,820
Los Angeles.
No, no, no. I was in Panama.
1758
01:44:05,820 --> 01:44:07,780
I was actually working.
1759
01:44:07,780 --> 01:44:12,900
I had a Blackberry I picked up
in Moscow and the person said,
1760
01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:14,300
- "He's gone."
1761
01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:22,100
Wow. I was in Sony when I
heard Michael Jackson passed.
1762
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:26,580
I was in my office,
having an audition with some artists.
1763
01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:28,820
My doorman said to me,
1764
01:44:28,820 --> 01:44:31,060
- "Mrs Robinson, Michael Jackson died".
1765
01:44:31,060 --> 01:44:34,860
Actually, my security guard at
that time came in and told me that-
1766
01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:36,940
- and he's just wrong all the time.
1767
01:44:36,940 --> 01:44:39,260
I just didn't buy into it for one second.
1768
01:44:39,260 --> 01:44:42,260
I couldn't believe it and there
was nothing on the news up there,
1769
01:44:42,260 --> 01:44:43,820
- telling me that this was true.
1770
01:44:43,820 --> 01:44:46,300
I said,
"What? Come on... Don't listen to that."
1771
01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:47,420
I didn't believe it.
1772
01:44:47,420 --> 01:44:48,580
It just didn't seem real.
1773
01:44:48,580 --> 01:44:50,900
I thought it was... a lie.
1774
01:44:50,900 --> 01:44:51,940
I couldn't believe it.
1775
01:44:51,940 --> 01:44:54,060
People must've called,
I must've gotten 50 calls.
1776
01:44:54,060 --> 01:44:57,660
Don't call me and tell me that!
1777
01:44:57,660 --> 01:44:59,340
Because it's not true!
1778
01:44:59,340 --> 01:45:00,940
I think I started crying on the spot.
1779
01:45:00,940 --> 01:45:03,020
I couldn't even breathe, man.
1780
01:45:03,020 --> 01:45:05,900
I couldn't even breathe,
I just collapsed right there on the ground.
1781
01:45:05,900 --> 01:45:07,940
We all kind of stayed in a daze.
1782
01:45:07,940 --> 01:45:09,820
Everything just became a blur.
1783
01:45:12,380 --> 01:45:16,420
I immediately called
my friend Bruce Swedien...
1784
01:45:16,420 --> 01:45:18,340
...and he was in shock as well.
1785
01:45:18,340 --> 01:45:21,060
Everything stopped.
Couldn't do anything.
1786
01:45:39,980 --> 01:45:41,480
Sorry.
1787
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:46,940
It was like...
1788
01:45:48,860 --> 01:45:50,360
Sorry.
1789
01:45:52,900 --> 01:45:55,060
Sorry, man. I...
1790
01:45:55,060 --> 01:45:57,340
...I really loved the guy.
1791
01:46:18,140 --> 01:46:20,060
I miss his hugs.
1792
01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:23,380
Just his friendship.
1793
01:46:23,380 --> 01:46:25,740
Um...
1794
01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:28,100
Just being around him.
1795
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:29,780
Uh...
1796
01:46:29,780 --> 01:46:31,900
Just to know he's around.
1797
01:46:31,900 --> 01:46:34,940
And I had just seen
Berry Gordy several days earlier-
1798
01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:40,060
- and we sat at the Mandarin
Oriental hotel and we were just talking-
1799
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:44,740
- and I said, "Think Michael's going
to do those shows in London?"
1800
01:46:44,740 --> 01:46:46,300
And he went, "I don't know."
1801
01:46:46,300 --> 01:46:50,540
I, er, was at the funeral, and I sang...
1802
01:46:50,540 --> 01:46:53,380
I've never sung at
a funeral before, ever.
1803
01:46:53,380 --> 01:46:56,900
So, this is Michael Jackson's funeral,
and they come in-
1804
01:46:56,900 --> 01:46:58,900
- and go, "Mariah, you're on first."
1805
01:46:58,900 --> 01:47:01,700
I Never Dreamed You'd Leave In
Summer was a song that myself-
1806
01:47:01,700 --> 01:47:03,500
- and Syreeta Wright...
1807
01:47:03,500 --> 01:47:08,300
...well, she was my first wife,
Syreeta - wrote together.
1808
01:47:08,300 --> 01:47:14,380
When I sang it, at Michael's...
homecoming service,
1809
01:47:14,380 --> 01:47:19,820
- I never, ever imagined that I
would be outliving Michael Jackson.
1810
01:47:19,820 --> 01:47:20,940
Um...
1811
01:47:20,940 --> 01:47:22,220
...It's very, very painful.
1812
01:47:22,220 --> 01:47:25,660
It's still unbelievable to
me that he's actually dead-
1813
01:47:25,660 --> 01:47:30,140
- and we should all be ashamed.
Each of us to a one.
1814
01:47:30,140 --> 01:47:32,780
And I don't know who to look at.
1815
01:47:32,780 --> 01:47:35,060
Michael said, I guess,
look at the man in the mirror.
1816
01:47:35,060 --> 01:47:39,300
Just like when John Lennon died,
people turned to Imagine,
1817
01:47:39,300 --> 01:47:42,450
- when Michael Jackson died,
people turned to Man In The Mirror.
1818
01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:58,860
It really doesn't have that
inspirational pop anthem on it,
1819
01:47:58,860 --> 01:48:02,100
- like Greatest Love of All,
Whitney Houston, Saving All My Love For You,
1820
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:05,740
- that kind of thing,
and it's interesting that Bad does.
1821
01:48:05,740 --> 01:48:08,540
We kept talking about how nice
it would be to get an anthem-
1822
01:48:08,540 --> 01:48:11,020
- that had a good feel to it,
you know, just like-
1823
01:48:11,020 --> 01:48:12,460
- some sunshine on the world.
1824
01:48:12,460 --> 01:48:15,340
So he called a meeting with
his West Coast songwriters,
1825
01:48:15,340 --> 01:48:16,780
- I think there were like, six of us.
1826
01:48:16,780 --> 01:48:18,780
He said he wanted something upbeat,
1827
01:48:18,780 --> 01:48:21,540
- he said he wanted
something that felt good...
1828
01:48:21,540 --> 01:48:25,300
Whitney Houston's second solo
album was storming the charts-
1829
01:48:25,300 --> 01:48:27,540
- and I think she provided
a little bit of heat,
1830
01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:31,300
- and I think that the label was
concerned about how to kind of-
1831
01:48:31,300 --> 01:48:35,220
- appeal to this audience that
had gravitated to Whitney Houston.
1832
01:48:35,220 --> 01:48:38,620
Went to Glen Ballard's house,
who was my writing partner at the time,
1833
01:48:38,620 --> 01:48:39,980
- I said, "This is what Quincy wants".
1834
01:48:39,980 --> 01:48:42,140
He said, "Well, let's just
see what we come up with".
1835
01:48:42,140 --> 01:48:44,020
He stands up, goes over to the keyboard,
1836
01:48:44,020 --> 01:48:45,700
- turns on the keyboard-
1837
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:47,980
- and starts playing...
1838
01:48:49,460 --> 01:48:52,180
So I'm flipping through my lyric book...
1839
01:48:52,180 --> 01:48:53,780
While he's playing these...
1840
01:48:53,780 --> 01:48:55,500
Just getting sounds on the keyboard.
1841
01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:58,820
Cut to two years before this meeting.
1842
01:48:58,820 --> 01:49:01,100
I'm writing with John Beasley,
jazz pianist.
1843
01:49:01,100 --> 01:49:02,460
His phone rings,
1844
01:49:02,460 --> 01:49:06,180
- and he picked the phone up instead
of letting the machine pick it up.
1845
01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:09,180
"Yeah, what's happening?
I'm not doing nothing.
1846
01:49:09,180 --> 01:49:11,900
And I'm thinking,
"He's doing something!"
1847
01:49:11,900 --> 01:49:13,580
And I'm flipping through my book,
1848
01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:16,180
- no, he didn't say he's not
doing nothing. No, he didn't.
1849
01:49:16,180 --> 01:49:20,220
So I'm flipping through this book
and I hear him say, "The man?"
1850
01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:23,780
"What man?
Oh, the man in the mirror."
1851
01:49:23,780 --> 01:49:27,460
I wrote, "man in the mirror".
1852
01:49:27,460 --> 01:49:30,100
So two years later,
I'm at Glen's house and the phrase-
1853
01:49:30,100 --> 01:49:33,220
- "man in the mirror"
just popped out at me-
1854
01:49:33,220 --> 01:49:36,060
- and I started writing these lyrics-
1855
01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:38,500
- that I couldn't write them fast enough,
1856
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:42,420
I couldn't get it all out fast
enough and in like, 15 minutes,
1857
01:49:42,420 --> 01:49:46,140
- we had the first verse and
the chorus for Man In The Mirror.
1858
01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:48,780
"I'm certain there will be a change-
1859
01:49:48,780 --> 01:49:50,900
- and starting with
that man in the mirror..."
1860
01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:53,220
The lyrics evolved into what they are,
1861
01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:55,980
- but these are the humble beginnings.
1862
01:49:55,980 --> 01:49:59,180
Glen said,
"You go finish the lyrics,
1863
01:49:59,180 --> 01:50:02,180
- and I'll finish the track and
we'll demo the song on Friday".
1864
01:50:02,180 --> 01:50:05,940
Friday night we finished it after
the Quest publishing was closed.
1865
01:50:05,940 --> 01:50:09,860
♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪
1866
01:50:09,780 --> 01:50:14,980
♪ I'm asking him to change his ways... ♪
1867
01:50:14,980 --> 01:50:17,340
So I called Quincy at home.
1868
01:50:17,340 --> 01:50:19,980
He said, "I'm having a meeting, I can't...
1869
01:50:19,980 --> 01:50:22,900
"You can't drop it off.
Just take it to the office on Monday."
1870
01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:24,700
I said, "I...
1871
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:29,140
"I can't wait till Monday.
1872
01:50:29,140 --> 01:50:32,260
"Let me just, let me just drop it...
"Sied..." "Quincy, let me just..."
1873
01:50:32,260 --> 01:50:34,460
"All right, shit."
1874
01:50:34,460 --> 01:50:35,980
And I go to his house...
1875
01:50:35,980 --> 01:50:40,220
I give Quincy this really quickly,
this cassette, I say just,
1876
01:50:40,220 --> 01:50:44,340
- "All I ask is you just
call me as soon as..."
1877
01:50:44,340 --> 01:50:45,740
He said, "All right, shit".
1878
01:50:45,740 --> 01:50:48,460
Two, three hours later,
I get a call and Quincy goes,
1879
01:50:48,460 --> 01:50:53,220
"Sied, this is the best
song that I've heard-
1880
01:50:53,220 --> 01:50:55,100
- in ten years".
1881
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:57,580
And I'm like...
1882
01:50:57,580 --> 01:50:59,420
The key...
1883
01:50:59,420 --> 01:51:02,740
...was one step too high for Michael,
1884
01:51:02,740 --> 01:51:07,780
- so Quincy wanted me to
re-sing the demo in the new key.
1885
01:51:07,780 --> 01:51:10,980
So I come here and I'm singing
the demo in the new key-
1886
01:51:10,980 --> 01:51:14,460
- and Michael... is filming me.
1887
01:51:14,460 --> 01:51:16,580
Whenever you're ready, Miss Siedah.
1888
01:51:18,260 --> 01:51:20,900
♪ Gonna make a change ♪
1889
01:51:20,900 --> 01:51:24,340
♪ For once in my life ♪
1890
01:51:26,740 --> 01:51:29,180
♪ Gonna feel real good ♪
1891
01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:34,460
♪ Gonna make a difference ♪
♪ gonna make it right ♪
1892
01:51:36,540 --> 01:51:39,860
♪ As I turn up the collar on ♪
1893
01:51:39,860 --> 01:51:42,500
♪ My favourite winter coat ♪
1894
01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:45,460
♪ This wind is blowing my mind ♪
1895
01:51:46,420 --> 01:51:48,900
♪ I see the kids in the street ♪
1896
01:51:48,900 --> 01:51:51,100
♪ Not enough to eat ♪
1897
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:53,300
♪ Who am I to be blind? ♪
1898
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:56,620
♪ Pretending not to see their need... ♪
1899
01:51:57,860 --> 01:51:59,900
♪ A willow deeply scarred... ♪
1900
01:51:59,900 --> 01:52:01,340
I got that image-
1901
01:52:01,340 --> 01:52:04,540
- cos I was walking down the
street in New York, walking past-
1902
01:52:04,540 --> 01:52:07,580
- this brownstone that had been
torn down and it was fenced.
1903
01:52:07,580 --> 01:52:10,500
Just a lot with broken glass-
1904
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:12,060
- and this tree...
1905
01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:15,340
...that someone had carved
their initials into this tree...
1906
01:52:17,980 --> 01:52:20,300
♪ ..Somebody's broken heart ♪
1907
01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:24,060
♪ And one man's soul ♪
1908
01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:29,180
♪ They follow each other ♪
♪ on the wind you know ♪
1909
01:52:29,180 --> 01:52:32,420
♪ Cos they got no place to go ♪
1910
01:52:32,420 --> 01:52:34,940
♪ That's why I want you to know. ♪
1911
01:52:34,940 --> 01:52:37,860
It was really a great song from inception,
1912
01:52:37,860 --> 01:52:40,260
- but I think what Michael
did is he took that song-
1913
01:52:40,260 --> 01:52:41,580
- and he made it his own.
1914
01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:44,700
In popular music, there's often
this idea that you are either-
1915
01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:47,580
- the songwriter of your own material-
1916
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:49,220
- or you are the interpreter.
1917
01:52:49,220 --> 01:52:52,060
The interesting thing about
Michael Jackson is that he was both.
1918
01:52:52,060 --> 01:52:53,940
You may not even know
what he's talking about,
1919
01:52:53,940 --> 01:52:57,620
- a broken bottle top,
all kinds of images are floating,
1920
01:52:57,620 --> 01:53:01,100
- but it's the conviction
and the fervour with which-
1921
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:04,020
- he brings to the song
that is really spectacular.
1922
01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:06,340
He said, "Andrae, I got a song.
1923
01:53:06,340 --> 01:53:11,780
"If you were listening to this and
wondered where a choir should be..."
1924
01:53:11,780 --> 01:53:16,100
He said, "I would love to have a
choir and I've heard your music."
1925
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:18,620
♪ If you wanna make ♪
♪ the world a better place ♪
1926
01:53:18,620 --> 01:53:20,940
♪ Take a look at yourself ♪
♪ and then make that... ♪
1927
01:53:20,940 --> 01:53:24,100
"Change," I said,
"Right there, you're exactly right".
1928
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:25,540
And the choir sang...
1929
01:53:25,540 --> 01:53:27,100
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
1930
01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:30,820
♪ Oooh oh-ooh-oh ♪
1931
01:53:30,820 --> 01:53:32,340
♪ - Ow! ♪
♪ - Yeah! ♪
1932
01:53:32,340 --> 01:53:33,660
♪ Oooh oh-ooh-oh ♪
1933
01:53:33,660 --> 01:53:34,700
♪ Make that change... ♪
1934
01:53:34,700 --> 01:53:37,820
Andrae Crouch's choir
seriously threw it on the end-
1935
01:53:37,820 --> 01:53:41,580
- and it featured all kinds of singers, including,
I didn't realise the Winans were on there!
1936
01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:43,900
My brother Marvin asked him,
1937
01:53:43,900 --> 01:53:46,340
- "Exactly what do,
how do you want us to do it?"
1938
01:53:46,340 --> 01:53:50,020
He was whispering into Quincy Jones' ear-
1939
01:53:50,020 --> 01:53:52,860
- and Quincy would actually...
1940
01:53:54,580 --> 01:53:56,540
...relay the message to us-
1941
01:53:56,540 --> 01:54:00,740
- and my brother Marvin said,
"Well, Michael, can you talk?"
1942
01:54:00,740 --> 01:54:04,820
Mike broke out of the shell,
sat down on the piano,
1943
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:08,500
- started playing the part...
I didn't even know Michael PLAYED piano.
1944
01:54:08,500 --> 01:54:11,140
OK, here's my favourite link, right here.
1945
01:54:13,780 --> 01:54:15,380
Whoo!
1946
01:54:16,500 --> 01:54:18,780
That's when I was hot, back in the day!
1947
01:54:19,900 --> 01:54:24,100
Man In The Mirror,
Quincy said give me the masterclass.
1948
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:26,020
Those handclaps, that's what you hear.
1949
01:54:26,020 --> 01:54:29,860
The three of us would surround the mic,
we'd nail it in real-time.
1950
01:54:31,420 --> 01:54:32,620
Then, what we would do,
1951
01:54:32,620 --> 01:54:35,620
- we would speed this machine up maybe 15%,
1952
01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:37,620
- so the track's going by really fast-
1953
01:54:37,620 --> 01:54:41,300
- and we're still clapping the same thing,
then when you play back at a regular speed,
1954
01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:45,300
- it's fat, so we have two
sets of claps - in real-time-
1955
01:54:45,300 --> 01:54:48,180
- and the fat claps underneath
which are exactly in the same time.
1956
01:54:48,180 --> 01:54:50,660
That's why if you listen to
all those records we've done-
1957
01:54:50,660 --> 01:54:53,060
- some of the best clap
sounds you'll ever hear.
1958
01:54:53,060 --> 01:54:57,980
Once we cut the track,
Andrae Crouch and his wonderful singers-
1959
01:54:57,980 --> 01:55:02,420
- came in here and Bruce Swedien
had them all up on this stage.
1960
01:55:02,420 --> 01:55:04,780
Bruce is such a genius,
he would have them-
1961
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:07,820
- actually stand along this side,
then stand along the side,
1962
01:55:07,820 --> 01:55:11,780
- then they'd stand in the middle, cos he
wanted to get all this really incredible imaging.
1963
01:55:11,780 --> 01:55:14,260
That's why it sounded like 57.000 people!
1964
01:55:14,260 --> 01:55:15,900
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
1965
01:55:15,900 --> 01:55:18,460
♪ You got to move, chamon... ♪
1966
01:55:18,460 --> 01:55:22,820
OK, now bring the choir in,
gently there...
1967
01:55:22,820 --> 01:55:25,060
Yeah, baby!
1968
01:55:25,060 --> 01:55:29,540
When the session was over,
everybody was going back to their cars-
1969
01:55:29,540 --> 01:55:32,100
- and I was listening to it with Quincy.
1970
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:37,140
I said, "Quincy, you know what?
We should have put "change" at the end.
1971
01:55:37,140 --> 01:55:40,340
He said... "Yeah".
1972
01:55:40,340 --> 01:55:44,660
They were getting into their cars
in the parking lot and I whistled,
1973
01:55:44,660 --> 01:55:47,260
- I said,
"Come here, we've got to do something else."
1974
01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:52,620
And they came in. I said, just say...
♪ Change... ♪
1975
01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:55,340
And then Michael said,
"Make that change!"
1976
01:55:55,340 --> 01:55:57,740
- ♪ "Make that change." ♪
- Ah!
1977
01:55:58,860 --> 01:56:05,540
Somewhere between Michael Jackson,
Quincy Jones, Bruce Swedien,
1978
01:56:05,540 --> 01:56:08,740
the musicians - Greg Phillinganes,
and all these guys-
1979
01:56:08,740 --> 01:56:11,900
- something took place
in those sessions that...
1980
01:56:13,420 --> 01:56:18,620
...technically sounds better than
any record ever made to this day.
1981
01:56:18,620 --> 01:56:23,260
Michael Jackson meant that the
unachievable was achievable,
1982
01:56:23,260 --> 01:56:25,420
- that you could be respected,
1983
01:56:25,420 --> 01:56:29,820
- you could be successful on a
global level as a person of colour.
1984
01:56:29,820 --> 01:56:31,580
There's no-one that will take his place.
1985
01:56:31,580 --> 01:56:33,900
The discipline imposed upon him-
1986
01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:38,140
- for good or for bad,
from the time he was a baby,
1987
01:56:38,140 --> 01:56:41,620
- It's not even legal to
replicate that in today's world-
1988
01:56:41,620 --> 01:56:47,300
- Michael is the most professional
performer I've ever worked with in my life.
1989
01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:49,620
He made it all look so simple.
1990
01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:52,140
He made it all look so natural.
1991
01:56:52,140 --> 01:56:54,460
And he really worked so hard to do that.
1992
01:56:55,460 --> 01:56:57,100
I remember watching...
1993
01:56:58,100 --> 01:57:02,780
...him on stage,
perform and how he would...
1994
01:57:02,780 --> 01:57:04,940
...just glide and...
1995
01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:07,800
...make it seem like...
1996
01:57:09,340 --> 01:57:12,980
...the music was just going through him.
I mean, he would close-
1997
01:57:12,980 --> 01:57:15,540
- his eyes and walk across the stage-
1998
01:57:15,540 --> 01:57:18,340
- and I'd sometimes wonder to myself,
1999
01:57:18,340 --> 01:57:21,740
- he could fall, he could trip,
he doesn't know where he's going.
2000
01:57:21,740 --> 01:57:23,180
But he never did.
2001
01:57:23,180 --> 01:57:27,300
Whether it's Beyonce or Lady Gaga
or Chris Brown or Usher-
2002
01:57:27,300 --> 01:57:29,980
- or will.I.am or Justin Bieber
or Justin Timberlake,
2003
01:57:29,980 --> 01:57:31,540
- there isn't a musician-
2004
01:57:31,540 --> 01:57:34,580
- that doesn't quote
Michael Jackson as being their idol.
2005
01:57:34,580 --> 01:57:37,780
I don't think there's anybody
who comes close to having-
2006
01:57:37,780 --> 01:57:39,180
- that type of work ethic.
2007
01:57:39,180 --> 01:57:42,620
They say that Willie Mays was
one of the only five-tool players-
2008
01:57:42,620 --> 01:57:44,380
- in the history of baseball.
2009
01:57:44,380 --> 01:57:50,220
A player that could run, field,
hit, hit for power and throw.
2010
01:57:50,220 --> 01:57:52,260
And in the music business,
2011
01:57:52,260 --> 01:57:55,580
- I'm not sure there was
ever a five-tool player-
2012
01:57:55,580 --> 01:57:57,740
- other than Michael Jackson.
2013
01:57:57,740 --> 01:58:00,900
Michael could write the songs,
he could produce them,
2014
01:58:00,900 --> 01:58:03,940
- he could sing them,
he could certainly perform-
2015
01:58:03,940 --> 01:58:08,580
- and dance them and he set
fashion trends with his sense of style.
2016
01:58:08,580 --> 01:58:10,660
That's six tools you just named.
2017
01:58:10,660 --> 01:58:13,580
Well, I consider performing
and dancing one and the same.
2018
01:58:13,580 --> 01:58:16,780
Hey, I'm with you all the way,
six tools, I'm wit' you!
2019
01:58:16,780 --> 01:58:19,580
- Willie Mays and Michael Jackson, that's great.
- There it is.
2020
01:58:19,580 --> 01:58:22,940
He did everything.
He wrote, he performed, he danced,
2021
01:58:22,940 --> 01:58:26,500
- he did the business part of it,
he counted his royalties!
2022
01:58:26,500 --> 01:58:28,796
Sometimes,
it's hard to believe he's even gone.
2023
01:58:28,820 --> 01:58:32,100
Just the amount of music that I hear,
2024
01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:35,220
- the number of times that
I hear people telling me-
2025
01:58:35,220 --> 01:58:39,700
- about children that are
discovering Michael for the first time,
2026
01:58:39,700 --> 01:58:44,340
- all these things, it's like this
energy that just does not go away.
2027
01:58:44,340 --> 01:58:48,420
The divinity that that
guy was so tapped into.
2028
01:58:48,420 --> 01:58:50,380
There was a reason that he was unique-
2029
01:58:50,380 --> 01:58:54,100
- and he was different than any
other artist that we've ever seen-
2030
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:56,580
- and he had something that
was not definable to me.
2031
01:58:56,580 --> 01:58:59,380
Whenever he stepped out and sang,
whenever he made that connection-
2032
01:58:59,380 --> 01:59:03,620
- with people,
the molecules changed in the room.
2033
01:59:03,620 --> 01:59:06,140
You know, that was what he could do.
2034
01:59:06,140 --> 01:59:07,900
There are people that can go out-
2035
01:59:07,900 --> 01:59:10,020
- and you can be wowed by their technique,
2036
01:59:10,020 --> 01:59:11,500
- but he changed the molecules.
2037
01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:14,500
No-one can quite say what
the creative process is,
2038
01:59:14,500 --> 01:59:17,780
- because I have nothing
to do with it, almost,
2039
01:59:17,780 --> 01:59:21,340
- because it's created in space,
it's God's work, not mine.
2040
01:59:21,340 --> 01:59:24,540
♪ Gonna make a change ♪
2041
01:59:24,540 --> 01:59:27,380
♪ For once in my life ♪
2042
01:59:30,180 --> 01:59:32,620
♪ It's gonna feel real good ♪
2043
01:59:32,620 --> 01:59:34,100
♪ Gonna make a difference ♪
2044
01:59:34,100 --> 01:59:38,180
♪ Gonna make it right ♪
2045
01:59:39,820 --> 01:59:42,900
♪ As I turn up the collar on ♪
2046
01:59:42,900 --> 01:59:45,500
♪ My favourite winter coat ♪
2047
01:59:45,500 --> 01:59:49,460
♪ This wind is blowing my mind ♪
2048
01:59:49,460 --> 01:59:52,140
♪ I see the kids in the street ♪
2049
01:59:52,140 --> 01:59:53,980
♪ With not enough to eat ♪
2050
01:59:53,980 --> 01:59:55,940
♪ Who am I to be blind ♪
2051
01:59:55,940 --> 02:00:00,260
♪ Pretending not to see their need? ♪
2052
02:00:00,260 --> 02:00:02,620
♪ A summer's disregard ♪
2053
02:00:02,620 --> 02:00:08,260
♪ A broken bottle top ♪
♪ and one man's soul ♪
2054
02:00:09,340 --> 02:00:13,380
♪ They follow each other ♪
♪ on the wind, you know ♪
2055
02:00:13,380 --> 02:00:16,820
♪ Cos they got nowhere to go ♪
2056
02:00:16,820 --> 02:00:19,820
♪ That's why I want you to know ♪
2057
02:00:19,820 --> 02:00:23,260
♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪
2058
02:00:24,620 --> 02:00:29,140
♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪
2059
02:00:29,140 --> 02:00:33,140
♪ And no message could ♪
♪ have been any clearer ♪
2060
02:00:33,140 --> 02:00:35,700
♪ If you wanna make ♪
♪ the world a better place ♪
2061
02:00:35,700 --> 02:00:38,660
♪ Take a look at yourself ♪
♪ and then make the change ♪
2062
02:00:41,100 --> 02:00:42,260
♪ Nah nah nah ♪
2063
02:00:42,260 --> 02:00:45,220
♪ Nah nah nah, ♪
♪ nah-nah, nah-nah ♪
2064
02:00:45,220 --> 02:00:47,140
♪ Oh-ho ♪
2065
02:00:48,420 --> 02:00:53,140
♪ I've been a victim of ♪
♪ A selfish kind of love ♪
2066
02:00:53,140 --> 02:00:57,260
♪ It's time that I realised ♪
2067
02:00:57,260 --> 02:00:59,700
♪ There are some with no home ♪
2068
02:00:59,700 --> 02:01:01,540
♪ Not a nickel to loan ♪
2069
02:01:01,540 --> 02:01:03,860
♪ Could it be really mean ♪
2070
02:01:03,860 --> 02:01:07,940
♪ Pretending that they're not alone? ♪
2071
02:01:07,940 --> 02:01:10,420
♪ A willow deeply scarred ♪
2072
02:01:10,420 --> 02:01:12,940
♪ Somebody's broken heart ♪
2073
02:01:12,940 --> 02:01:17,140
♪ And a washed-out dream ♪
2074
02:01:17,140 --> 02:01:21,500
♪ They follow the pattern ♪
♪ of the wind, you see ♪
2075
02:01:21,500 --> 02:01:24,580
♪ Cos they got no place to be ♪
2076
02:01:24,580 --> 02:01:27,580
♪ That's why I'm starting with me ♪
2077
02:01:27,580 --> 02:01:31,220
♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪
2078
02:01:31,220 --> 02:01:32,380
♪ Ooh! ♪
2079
02:01:32,380 --> 02:01:35,660
♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪
2080
02:01:35,660 --> 02:01:36,740
♪ Ooh! ♪
2081
02:01:36,740 --> 02:01:41,060
♪ And no message could ♪
♪ have been any clearer ♪
2082
02:01:41,060 --> 02:01:43,700
♪ If you wanna make ♪
♪ the world a better place ♪
2083
02:01:43,700 --> 02:01:46,940
♪ Take a look at yourself ♪
♪ and then make the change ♪
2084
02:01:46,940 --> 02:01:50,620
♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪
2085
02:01:50,620 --> 02:01:51,820
♪ Ooh ♪
2086
02:01:51,820 --> 02:01:55,300
♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪
2087
02:01:55,300 --> 02:01:56,340
♪ Ooh ♪
2088
02:01:56,340 --> 02:02:00,460
♪ And no message could ♪
♪ have been any clearer ♪
2089
02:02:00,460 --> 02:02:03,100
♪ If you wanna make ♪
♪ the world a better place ♪
2090
02:02:03,100 --> 02:02:05,180
♪ Take a look at yourself ♪
♪ and then make that ♪
2091
02:02:05,180 --> 02:02:06,340
♪ Change! ♪
2092
02:02:06,340 --> 02:02:09,380
♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪
2093
02:02:09,380 --> 02:02:10,940
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
2094
02:02:10,940 --> 02:02:14,500
♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪
2095
02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:15,700
♪ You better change ♪
2096
02:02:15,700 --> 02:02:17,420
♪ No message could've been any clearer ♪
2097
02:02:17,420 --> 02:02:19,660
♪ Whoo-hoo ♪
2098
02:02:19,660 --> 02:02:22,100
♪ If you wanna make ♪
♪ the world a better place ♪
2099
02:02:22,100 --> 02:02:24,540
♪ Take a look at yourself ♪
♪ and then make the change ♪
2100
02:02:24,540 --> 02:02:26,980
♪ You gotta get it right ♪
♪ while you got the time ♪
2101
02:02:26,980 --> 02:02:30,060
♪ Cos if you close your heart ♪
♪ then you close your, your mind ♪
2102
02:02:30,060 --> 02:02:32,020
♪ That man ♪
2103
02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:35,300
♪ That man in the mirror, oh yeah ♪
2104
02:02:35,300 --> 02:02:38,820
♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪
2105
02:02:38,820 --> 02:02:40,300
♪ You better change ♪
2106
02:02:40,300 --> 02:02:43,900
♪ No message could have been any clearer ♪
2107
02:02:43,900 --> 02:02:45,540
♪ If you wanna make the world ♪
2108
02:02:45,540 --> 02:02:47,740
♪ A better place take a look at yourself ♪
2109
02:02:47,740 --> 02:02:49,820
♪ And then make that change ♪
2110
02:02:49,820 --> 02:02:51,900
♪ Whoo! Whoo! ♪
2111
02:02:51,900 --> 02:02:55,820
♪ Nah-nah-nah Nah-nah-nah, ♪
♪ na-na, na-na ♪
2112
02:02:55,820 --> 02:02:57,700
♪ Whoo! Whoo! ♪
2113
02:02:57,700 --> 02:02:59,300
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
2114
02:02:59,300 --> 02:03:01,420
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
2115
02:03:01,420 --> 02:03:03,220
♪ Nah-nah-nah, nah-nah-nah ♪
2116
02:03:03,220 --> 02:03:05,660
♪ Na-na, na-na ♪
2117
02:03:09,140 --> 02:03:12,420
♪ Gonna make that change ♪
2118
02:03:12,420 --> 02:03:15,620
♪ Gonna feel real good, come on ♪
2119
02:03:15,620 --> 02:03:17,660
♪ Change ♪
2120
02:03:17,660 --> 02:03:20,740
♪ Just lift yourself, you know it ♪
2121
02:03:20,740 --> 02:03:24,860
♪ You got to stop it yourself, yeah ♪
2122
02:03:24,860 --> 02:03:27,140
♪ - Whoo! ♪
♪ - Make that change ♪
2123
02:03:27,140 --> 02:03:30,340
♪ Gotta make that change today ♪
2124
02:03:30,340 --> 02:03:31,580
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
2125
02:03:31,580 --> 02:03:35,020
♪ You got to move, you know it ♪
2126
02:03:35,020 --> 02:03:38,300
♪ You know it, ow! ♪
2127
02:03:38,300 --> 02:03:40,060
♪ Yeah! ♪
2128
02:03:40,060 --> 02:03:41,980
♪ Make that change ♪
2129
02:03:41,980 --> 02:03:44,900
♪ You know all about it. ♪
2130
02:03:44,900 --> 02:03:47,100
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
2131
02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:49,300
♪ You know it, you know it ♪
2132
02:03:49,300 --> 02:03:50,800
♪ You, you ♪
2133
02:03:52,820 --> 02:03:54,580
♪ Yeah! ♪
2134
02:03:54,580 --> 02:03:57,340
♪ Make that change ♪
2135
02:03:59,500 --> 02:04:01,540
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
2136
02:04:01,540 --> 02:04:04,180
♪ You know it, you know it ♪
2137
02:04:04,180 --> 02:04:05,680
♪ You do, you, you ♪
2138
02:04:07,260 --> 02:04:08,980
♪ Yeah! ♪
2139
02:04:08,980 --> 02:04:10,620
♪ Make that change ♪
2140
02:04:10,620 --> 02:04:13,860
♪ Gonna make that change today, yeah ♪
2141
02:04:13,860 --> 02:04:16,180
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
2142
02:04:16,180 --> 02:04:19,100
♪ Na-na-na, mm, yeah, yeah ♪
2143
02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:21,820
♪ Yeah, you gotta ♪
2144
02:04:21,820 --> 02:04:25,500
♪ Yeah, make that change ♪
2145
02:04:28,420 --> 02:04:30,580
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
2146
02:04:30,580 --> 02:04:35,300
♪ You know it, you know it you, you ♪
2147
02:04:35,300 --> 02:04:36,380
♪ Whoo! ♪
2148
02:04:36,380 --> 02:04:39,940
♪ Yeah, make that change ♪
2149
02:04:42,940 --> 02:04:44,580
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
2150
02:04:50,180 --> 02:04:50,940
♪ Stand up ♪
2151
02:04:50,940 --> 02:04:54,380
♪ Yeah, make that change ♪
2152
02:04:54,380 --> 02:04:57,060
♪ Stand up for each other ♪
2153
02:04:57,060 --> 02:04:59,380
♪ Man in the mirror ♪
2154
02:04:59,380 --> 02:05:01,820
♪ You know it, you know it ♪
2155
02:05:01,820 --> 02:05:04,780
♪ You know it, you know ♪
2156
02:05:06,140 --> 02:05:11,540
♪ Change... ♪
2157
02:05:14,620 --> 02:05:17,020
♪ Make that change. ♪
2158
02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:54,580
I love you!
2159
02:06:11,540 --> 02:06:13,060
♪ Hee-hee-heee ♪
2160
02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:14,560
♪ Chamon! ♪
2161
02:06:46,660 --> 02:06:49,900
♪ Are you ready for a ♪
♪ real good time, my love? ♪
2162
02:06:49,900 --> 02:06:54,300
♪ Are you ready for a good treat? ♪
2163
02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:56,740
♪ There'll be so much as it singing ♪
2164
02:06:56,740 --> 02:06:58,340
♪ Uh, uh, uh ♪
2165
02:06:58,340 --> 02:07:02,060
♪ You, yeah, what you mean to me ♪
2166
02:07:02,060 --> 02:07:03,980
♪ So don't be messin' round ♪
2167
02:07:03,980 --> 02:07:06,700
♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪
2168
02:07:06,700 --> 02:07:08,180
♪ Don't be messin' with ♪
2169
02:07:08,180 --> 02:07:09,940
♪ With me, hey hey ♪
2170
02:07:09,940 --> 02:07:11,780
♪ So don't be messin' round ♪
2171
02:07:11,780 --> 02:07:14,180
♪ Don't be messin' round ♪
2172
02:07:14,180 --> 02:07:17,180
♪ Don't be messin' with With me ♪
2173
02:07:17,180 --> 02:07:18,300
♪ Hey hey ♪
2174
02:07:18,300 --> 02:07:20,780
♪ Don't be startin' nothin' then if ♪
2175
02:07:20,780 --> 02:07:25,460
♪ If you say this really ain't your crowd ♪
2176
02:07:25,460 --> 02:07:28,420
♪ I'll be so proud if you let me ♪
2177
02:07:28,420 --> 02:07:33,660
♪ Only girl let me love ♪
♪ you for a little while ♪
2178
02:07:33,660 --> 02:07:35,980
♪ But don't be messin' with ♪
2179
02:07:35,980 --> 02:07:37,780
♪ Don't be messin' with ♪
2180
02:07:37,780 --> 02:07:41,980
♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪
♪ Hey hey hey ♪
2181
02:07:41,980 --> 02:07:43,700
♪ So don't be messin' with ♪
2182
02:07:43,700 --> 02:07:45,820
♪ Don't be messin' with ♪
2183
02:07:45,820 --> 02:07:49,740
♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪
♪ Hey ♪
2184
02:07:49,740 --> 02:07:51,460
♪ Aha, yeah ♪
2185
02:07:51,460 --> 02:07:53,260
♪ Oh-ho yeah ♪
2186
02:07:53,260 --> 02:07:55,180
♪ Aha, yeah ♪
2187
02:07:55,180 --> 02:07:57,180
♪ Oh-ho yeah ♪
2188
02:07:57,180 --> 02:07:59,620
♪ Ooh ooh ♪
2189
02:08:05,260 --> 02:08:09,420
♪ Now she's started ♪
♪ finger-poppin' to the beat ♪
2190
02:08:09,420 --> 02:08:13,100
♪ So I said, "Let's do that on the floor" ♪
2191
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:16,020
♪ She said to keep your mind on dancin' ♪
2192
02:08:16,020 --> 02:08:17,980
♪ Won't be no romancing ♪
2193
02:08:17,980 --> 02:08:20,700
♪ Lord no, don't mess around with me ♪
2194
02:08:20,700 --> 02:08:21,940
♪ I ain't playing ♪
2195
02:08:21,940 --> 02:08:23,460
♪ Don't be messin' with ♪
2196
02:08:23,460 --> 02:08:25,660
♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪
2197
02:08:25,660 --> 02:08:28,380
♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪
2198
02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:31,100
♪ Hey hey ♪
♪ So don't be messin' with ♪
2199
02:08:31,100 --> 02:08:33,740
♪ Don't be messin' with ♪
2200
02:08:33,740 --> 02:08:37,300
♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪
♪ Hey hey ♪
2201
02:08:37,300 --> 02:08:38,980
♪ Bridge ♪
2202
02:08:38,980 --> 02:08:41,700
♪ Doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo ♪
2203
02:08:41,700 --> 02:08:45,660
♪ Doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo ♪
2204
02:08:45,660 --> 02:08:49,940
♪ Doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo ♪
2205
02:08:49,940 --> 02:08:52,580
♪ Doo-doo doo-doo ♪
2206
02:08:52,580 --> 02:08:54,860
♪ Pu pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪
2207
02:08:54,860 --> 02:08:56,620
♪ Pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪
2208
02:08:56,620 --> 02:08:58,740
♪ Pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪
2209
02:08:58,740 --> 02:09:02,780
♪ Pa pu pa pa pu pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪
2210
02:09:02,780 --> 02:09:04,660
♪ Pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪
2211
02:09:04,660 --> 02:09:07,180
♪ Pa pa-rup pu pa-rup ♪
2212
02:09:07,180 --> 02:09:10,540
♪ Ba-ba ba buh ♪
2213
02:09:14,340 --> 02:09:17,140
♪ Chi pah chi pah chi pah chi pah ♪
2214
02:09:18,300 --> 02:09:21,540
♪ Chi pah chi pah chi pah chi pah ♪
2215
02:09:21,540 --> 02:09:24,700
♪ Chi pah chi pah chi pah chi pah ♪
2216
02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:26,200
♪ Ooh... ♪
2217
02:09:41,180 --> 02:09:43,300
♪ ...So don't be messin' with ♪
2218
02:09:43,300 --> 02:09:44,900
♪ Don't be messin' with ♪
2219
02:09:44,900 --> 02:09:48,700
♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪
♪ Hey hey hey ♪
2220
02:09:48,700 --> 02:09:50,620
♪ So don't be messin' with ♪
2221
02:09:50,620 --> 02:09:52,940
♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪
2222
02:09:52,940 --> 02:09:56,780
♪ Don't be messin' with, with me ♪
♪ Hey hey ♪
2223
02:09:56,780 --> 02:09:59,180
♪ So don't be messin' round ♪
2224
02:09:59,180 --> 02:10:01,340
♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪
2225
02:10:01,340 --> 02:10:04,540
♪ Don't be messin' with, with me ♪
♪ Hey hey ♪
2226
02:10:04,540 --> 02:10:06,940
♪ So don't be messin' with ♪
2227
02:10:06,940 --> 02:10:08,980
♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪
2228
02:10:08,980 --> 02:10:12,420
♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪
♪ Hey hey... ♪
2229
02:10:12,420 --> 02:10:13,980
♪ This is the thing. ♪
2230
02:11:04,820 --> 02:11:06,380
♪ Whoo! ♪
192286
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