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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:11,080 THIS FILM CONTAINS SOME STRONG LANGUAGE 2 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,400 I feel rejuvenated, kind of, because after working on it so long, 3 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,280 - it's so much work. 4 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,400 A lot of people, they're used to just seeing the outcome of work. 5 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,400 They never see the side of the work you go through to produce- 6 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:43,400 - the outcome, and I feel, you know, rejuvenated and happy, 7 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,200 - it's a jubilation, is what it is. 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,040 It's like a celebration, it's like, "We're done!" 9 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,800 People were holding on to the fact that Thriller was the biggest selling record in the world. 10 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,120 How are you going to follow up on something like that? 11 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,240 It's almost impossible. Try telling that to Michael Jackson, though. 12 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,480 Thriller is the blockbuster behemoth in the era- 13 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,000 - of blockbuster artists. You know, that was the era- 14 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,240 - when you had Madonna, Springsteen, Whitney Houston, 15 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:33,000 - so big stars, big albums, MTV era, music videos are in ascendance. 16 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,480 And that's the signature album of that era. 17 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,720 Thriller sold over 100 million copies worldwide to date. 18 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,000 35 million in the US, over 70 million outside the US, 19 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,680 - and that's not even counting singles. 20 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,120 There was a mania around Michael- 21 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,840 - and Thriller for those three years that was very difficult to- 22 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,240 - capture again, and you go back to Elvis, or Frank Sinatra, 23 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,640 - or the Beatles, even today with Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga, 24 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,920 - it's a space and time, the window's only opened so far, 25 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,440 - and Thriller captured that. It was magical. 26 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:27,440 ♪ Startin' somethin' ♪ 27 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,240 ♪ Startin' somethin' ♪ 28 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,480 ♪ Startin' somethin' ♪ ♪ Startin' somethin'... ♪ 29 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Thriller broke every record that existed, and it sold more records- 30 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,320 - than any other album in the history of the music industry. 31 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,960 To most of us he's just Wacko Jacko, 32 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,400 - and if some of the press are to be believed, he bathes in- 33 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,640 - Perrier water, eats flowers for lunch, and sleeps in an oxygen tent, 34 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,560 - often with a chimp, a snake, 35 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,440 - and an alien, in a sort of bizarre love triangle. 36 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,440 All that stuff is trash, 37 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,120 - and it all comes from the fact that Michael Jackson doesn't do- 38 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,720 - interviews, and they have nothing else to write about him. 39 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,520 What surprises me sometimes, the people that get distracted- 40 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,520 - and myopic about Michael's eccentricities, when they listen to- 41 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,560 - his music and watch his performance, that's like someone saying, 42 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,360 - "Hey, there's a cobweb on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel." 43 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,160 This article is from Playboy magazine, January 1985. 44 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:28,880 It's called Freaks And The American Ideal Of Manhood, by James Baldwin. 45 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,440 "He will not swiftly be forgiven for having turned so many tables, 46 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,590 - for he damn sure grabbed the brass ring." 47 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,720 People tend to reduce the backlash to Michael Jackson to these- 48 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,280 - eccentricities, but I think that the James Baldwin quote- 49 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,000 - suggests that it was more than that. Michael Jackson became- 50 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,560 - one of the most powerful figures in the entertainment industry, and- 51 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,080 - certainly he was the most powerful African-American to that time. 52 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,880 And in addition to that, 1985, along with John Branca, 53 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,680 - he acquires the Beatles catalogue. 54 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,560 When we announced the acquisition of the Beatles' catalogue, 55 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,880 - it was almost a feeling that Michael didn't have the right- 56 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,200 - also to be a savvy businessmen. 57 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,800 It was a misconception that Michael went behind Paul McCartney's back- 58 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,360 - to bid on the catalogue, but that was absolutely not the case. 59 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,360 I remember when he bought the Beatles' catalogue. 60 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,520 He came to me and he said they want whatever it was at that time, 61 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,120 - 52 million, it sounds like too much money. He said, "I think you're wrong." 62 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,120 A lot of those Beatles' songs are considered sacred songs by people. 63 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,480 They are really just more than pop songs on the radio, 64 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,800 - they meant something in their lives beyond almost any songs they heard. 65 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,120 I mean, Sergeant Pepper, particularly right? 66 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,720 And for him to take that catalogue and use it the way he's used it, 67 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,920 - it's going to have some kind of backlash. 68 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,120 After Thriller, you know, Michael had a few extra dollars to invest, 69 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,160 - and we had an investment committee, and we used to look at- 70 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,480 - all sorts of possible deals for Michael, 71 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,560 - and he never had interest in buildings, tax shelters, 72 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,440 - the kinds of things that other people- 73 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,040 - were interested in at the time. 74 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,920 One day Michael came to me and he said, 75 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,800 - "I saw Paul McCartney's song catalogue. 76 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,640 "He showed it to me. Do you think you can help me buy copyrights?" 77 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,480 And I said, "Absolutely, Michael." 78 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,040 We bought a couple Dion & The Belmont's songs, 79 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,800 Runaround Sue and The Wanderer. 80 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,240 Then we bought the Sly & The Family Stone catalogue, 81 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,880 - which was a major acquisition for Michael. 82 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Michael's 28 years old now. He's not a baby dumpling now. 83 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,200 He's grown, he's listened, he's going up, 84 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,320 - and those are the kinds of things he wants to say now. 85 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,880 I feel the stretches are there, 86 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,640 - but they don't feel like they've been conscious stretches. 87 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,720 I think that things have just occurred along the way to say that- 88 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,160 - this is the way I feel like thinking, 89 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,640 - and I feel like feeling at this time. 90 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,600 And one thing we've really tried not to do, to sit down and worry about- 91 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,280 - competing with Thriller, 92 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:18,400 - because that's really self-destructive, you know. 93 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,680 And it's dishonest. 94 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,360 He would always write with a red Sharpie- 95 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,600 - on his mirrors in his rooms, wherever he was. 96 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,200 He would write 100 million albums sold for Bad, to remind him, 97 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,160 - when he would stand in front of the mirror, brushing his teeth, 98 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,040 - brushing his hair, doing himself up, that that was his goal. 99 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,880 I remember sitting on Michael's mirror, 100 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,680 - he wrote the big note, 100 million albums. 101 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,880 And that was a goal that he set for himself, but I remember one time, 102 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,560 - I was in Hong Kong with Michael, and it was in between the records, 103 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,440 - and I said, "you know, Mike, there's a lot of pressure. 104 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,240 "Maybe you should think, 105 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,800 - why not do an album of cover songs that inspired you?" 106 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,800 "Jackie Wilson, James Brown, just going little left of centre, 107 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,120 - so you don't feel like you have to compete with yourself." 108 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,360 And he looked at me like I was from Mars. 109 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Because Michael thrived on that pressure, 110 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,160 - he thrived on pushing himself, and everybody else around him. 111 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,440 If this record doesn't do as well as Thriller, and doesn't win- 112 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,120 - a whole bunch of Grammy awards, he's going to be very unhappy. 113 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,680 He would call during the Thriller and the Bad days. 114 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,760 "My record's not number one. 115 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,400 "My record's not number one, what are we going to do?" 116 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,960 I said, "Michael, we're going to go to sleep, we're going to get up tomorrow, 117 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,480 - and we're going to work on getting you a number one." 118 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,240 Michael didn't have limits, Michael thought bigger than anyone. 119 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,400 Off The Wall was a huge hit, and when he told people after- 120 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,400 - that album, "I'm going to follow this up with an album that's going- 121 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,080 - to sell twice as much as Off The Wall, people didn't believe him." And he did it. 122 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,840 And so with Bad, he said, "OK, I'm going to do it again." 123 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,320 Bad has the special distinction. 124 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,080 It's the first album in history to generate five consecutive- 125 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,040 - number one pop singles, and that record was only recently- 126 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,800 - tied by Katy Perry, with her Teenage Dream album. 127 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,440 It started with I Just Can't Stop Loving You, in the summer of 1987. 128 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,800 - Bad. - Then you had The Way You Make Me Feel. - Man In The Mirror. 129 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,560 And finally, Dirty Diana. 130 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,080 It's a testament to his swag, really, that he- 131 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,680 - even made another record after Thriller. 132 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,440 It did take in five years. 133 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,600 I was 16 years old when the Bad album came out. 134 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:33,800 I remember being highly obsessed with every aspect of that album. 135 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,240 We were just like, "What is this going to be?" 136 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,680 Because this was a humongous deal. 137 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:43,560 I guess in some way or another, my education of the industry, 138 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:47,120 - and those inside it and outside it really starts with that record. 139 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,240 The original album title was Smooth Criminal. 140 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,840 That was the original name of the album, 141 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,360 - and again, Michael called me up, and said this is what he wants to do. 142 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,200 A couple of days later I got a call- 143 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,600 - from Quincy Jones, "Larry, I got a problem with the album title." 144 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,880 I go, "Why? It's kind of cool, it's edgy, it's kind of cool." 145 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,200 He says, "I understand Larry, but I will not allow this album to be called Smooth Criminal." 146 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,840 He felt that the connotation was inappropriate at this time. 147 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,240 So I said, "Let me call Walter, I'll get back to you." 148 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,240 Because Walter Yetnikoff was very involved with this project. 149 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,320 And Walter says, "I don't care what you call it, just put it out!" 150 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,040 This was the most published music image of the year. 151 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,800 We prepared for it for three days. We were shooting the video in the subway in New York. 152 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,520 Every day after shooting, we would go, "OK, let's do it." 153 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,440 "I'm tired. I got something to do." Next day. OK. 154 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,320 "No, no, no, no, I'm tired." OK, last day, Frank says, 155 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,480 - "Mike, he's been sitting here for three days, you got to take this picture." 156 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,400 "OK, Frank." Three rolls of 12 shots later he goes, "That's enough." 157 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,880 And this is what we came up with. 158 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,680 There was an album cover shot, 159 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:56,080 - and it was done in a very '30s style. 160 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,560 It was a copy of a Vogue photograph of Gloria Swanson that had- 161 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,840 - been shot back in the '30s. 162 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,040 And they took a piece of lace, and they stuck it- 163 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,440 - in front of the camera, and they shot through the lace, 164 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,360 - Michael's face, it was just a headshot, so it looked like- 165 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,320 - Michael was wearing a veil, or a piece of lace on his face. 166 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,240 He did have a veil, and I said "I'm not putting out an album cover- 167 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,880 - with that all over his face." 168 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,520 He called me up, and he went, "That is not the album cover!" 169 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,560 We wanted a tough album. We wanted a tough image, anyway. 170 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:30,160 You know, because, 171 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,880 - because it's important that you keep trying to change, change up. 172 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,560 And this is the one where I'd asked him to write all the tunes. 173 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,320 This room was built for Michael. 174 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,000 This studio D in Westlake- 175 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,120 - was built for Michael Jackson. 176 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,120 For specifically the Bad record. 177 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,000 I was in this big room here, we had Phillinganes in the other room, 178 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,480 - E, I believe it was, doing all the synth parts. 179 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,320 We had Jerry Hey and the other guys doing other arrangements- 180 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,560 - in the other rooms. 181 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,800 We had this whole building locked up. Locked out! 182 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,840 Everybody's working on different tunes on the same record. 183 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,200 Well, the Bad song really sets up the entire album, 184 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,920 - because this is a song in which Michael's addressing- 185 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,760 - the huge backlash that had taken place since thriller. 186 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,640 The whole world has to answer right now, "Who's bad?" 187 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,960 Well... It is quite different from anything I've ever recorded, 188 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,760 or I've ever written. 189 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:26,080 It's a bold statement to say, but I mean it in all goodwill. 190 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,840 You know, so don't take it too seriously. 191 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,760 I'm saying, it's like a way of saying you're cool, you're all right, 192 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,360 - you're tough. I'm not saying I'm like criminally bad. 193 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,760 Of course, that's how people will take it. 194 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,440 It's a bold statement to make. 195 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,800 Opening line is, "Your butt is mine," that's extremely... 196 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,560 You know, like, let's get it on! 197 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,960 So, I wanted to do a duet with Prince, 198 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,680 - and have the video with him coming to kick Michael's ass. 199 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:57,000 The rivalry between the two of them, between Prince and Michael, 200 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,160 - for real music lovers at that time, and real music fans, 201 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,960 - that's a rivalry that is unmatched, 202 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,840 - and will go unmatched for many, many years. 203 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Michael impacted dances. 204 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,560 Nobody can touch him dancing. 205 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,640 When I try to dance, I'd try, not to mimic him, 206 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,480 - but I try to, you know, not let him down, in a way. 207 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,920 Prince impacted musicians. 208 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,640 Michael Jackson and Prince were the polarising figures of the '80s. 209 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,480 Are you a Michael fan or a Prince than? 210 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,320 You can't do that! You know why? Because I think that Michael- 211 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,080 - and Prince came into our lives at a different point. 212 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,800 They're synonymous to me, they're equal. 213 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,800 Michael and Prince are our heroes, they're our musical heroes. 214 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,440 My annual Michael Jackson versus Prince party, 215 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,320 - that's something I've been doing for a while, 216 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,200 - really just to pay homage and tribute to those two artists. 217 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,200 I'm Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson. 218 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:03,120 I met Michael once at, ironically enough, a Prince concert. 219 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,680 I was performing with Prince in Vegas. 220 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:08,200 After the show was over was when I met him backstage. 221 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,680 I thought that they had nemeses all these years, 222 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:14,920 - but it turns out that Mike was a pretty big fan of Prince as well. 223 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,000 So Michael said, 224 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,440 - "Branca, set up a meeting. I want Prince to come over." 225 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,040 The meeting took place at Hayvenhurst, 4641 Hayvenhurst. 226 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,800 And Bob Cavallo went over with Prince... 227 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,200 So, you actually met then? 228 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,960 They met in Michael's study, and I recall, I wasn't there that night, 229 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,640 - but I remember, I was told the next day, it was not a happy meeting. 230 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,560 Apparently Prince brought over some sort of voodoo box, and Michael- 231 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:45,240 - was convinced that Prince was trying to cast a spell on him. 232 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,400 If Quincy has gone to Prince and said, "Write a song for you- 233 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,800 - and Michael to do," that song would have gotten recorded. 234 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,720 Not by Michael! 235 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,420 But Michael wouldn't have done it! 236 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Now Prince wasn't doing no song with Michael Jackson. All right? 237 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,880 That was a very optimistic view that he would get down... 238 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,920 At that point, in the Sign O' The Times era, he's rolling. 239 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,440 Oh, the cool thing about playing on the title track, Bad, 240 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,640 - was I shared a solo with Jimmy Smith. 241 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,800 Jimmy Smith played on that, jazz organist, played on that. 242 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,300 He was great. 243 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,960 That was the groove, you know. 244 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,560 And then Jimmy did this organ solo on top of that. 245 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,600 And here he comes... 246 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,920 ORGAN SOLO 247 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,040 And here I come after that. Watch out! 248 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,240 By '86 and '87, hip-hop is now becoming the dominant thread- 249 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,760 - in a lot of aspects of American pop culture. 250 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,640 Michael's responding to that to some degree with the Bad video, 251 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,600 - and imaging of Bad, but it's done in a Michael Jackson way. 252 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,760 The first step that was taken was to bring in Martin Scorsese. 253 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,560 Martin Scorsese to direct the first video from the album, and- 254 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,960 - Michael never called them videos, it was the short film from the album. 255 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,960 You'd never hear him say "music video". 256 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,320 "I'm doing short films." 257 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,200 He wanted people not just to hear the music, but see it. 258 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,680 We had a meeting with Quincy and Michael in Los Angeles, 259 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,640 - and I found that really nobody had... They were wide open to ideas. 260 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,600 Nobody had ideas what kind of story we could make up, 261 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,360 - what kind of issue we could deal with. 262 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,600 And so I suggested that I hire Richard Price, 263 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,520 - who just wrote Colour of Money for me to do the script. 264 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:51,840 I just thought, Michael Jackson and Marty Scorsese, that's way too... 265 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,920 That's way too bizarre for words, absolutely I will do it. 266 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,200 If it's to be anything, it should be something very, 267 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,800 - very different from what he's done before, and that means- 268 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:07,960 - a dramatic piece, and something with a lot of style, a lot of grit to it. 269 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,760 I don't remember exactly who said this, but he said Michael- 270 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,240 - wanted to make a video to show the brothers he's down. 271 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,280 So he goes to the, you know, the Italian asthmatic, who goes- 272 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,320 - to the Jewish asthmatic, and we're going to make Michael a homie! 273 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,720 We gave him these three ideas. 274 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Michael and I both loved the one called Pressure- 275 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,730 - that was the working title of this one. 276 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,240 About peer pressure. 277 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,840 I had just read this article that a friend of mine, 278 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Robert Sam Anson, had written about Edmund Perry. 279 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Within the hour, police revealed more information about the death- 280 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,640 - of a young man from Harlem. 281 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,000 He had graduated with honours from an exclusive New England prep school. 282 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,600 Edmund Perry was killed by a police bullet on Morningside Drive. 283 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,720 They had read stories like this before, too many of them. 284 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Black kid, 17, from Harlem, poor, 285 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,680 - with another black youth, tries to rob a white man, 286 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,520 - who turns out to be a plain-clothes cop. 287 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Edmund Perry was a kid from Harlem. 288 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,360 He and his brother, Jonah, had both gone to prep schools, 289 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:11,240 - said they were like, not privileged, but they were exposed to privilege. 290 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,240 And this was a kid that was very much kind of dealing with- 291 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,200 - what is becoming a more common kind of internal conflict- 292 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,160 - among black kids who were put in isolated environments... 293 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,200 I want to say before you go, you know, you did a real good job this term. 294 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,400 Thanks. 295 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,840 ...and are asked in that passage- 296 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,600 - to let go of the culture that spawned him. 297 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,400 Yo, the black is back, my man... 298 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,840 So, I just ran off, and I wrote this thing, and I rate in like two days. 299 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,840 You know, it's only ten pages, and Marty thought it was great. 300 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,340 Oh, yeah. 301 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:50,920 He did ask me, 302 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,840 - he took me aside, and said, "Do people live here?" 303 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,240 I said, "Oh, yeah, this is a good one, 304 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,720 - "because we went to some others, and I was pretty..." 305 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,680 - Was he scared? - A little bit, I think. 306 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,200 For him, I thought, it was a shock to see that. 307 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,440 Folks, I think we better go through a walk, man. 308 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:13,880 How did I get cast in this? 309 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,160 Audition, you know, we all had to audition. 310 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,200 Were there a lot of people? 311 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,960 It was quite a few guys, I don't know exactly how many. 312 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Wesley came in, there was no... Yeah, there was no question. 313 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,960 And the guys I went in with, 314 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,960 - they all approached the characters kind of B-boy-ish. 315 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,560 You know, characteristic of B-boys, with the, "Yo, man, yeah." 316 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,840 This type of thing. 317 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,400 And that's not my particular style, so I went the opposite direction- 318 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,560 - of what they did, and I played it very, very subtle. 319 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,120 Yo, college? What's your major, man? 320 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,400 This is high school, there ain't no majors. 321 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,140 Then what's your minor? 322 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,800 Wesley Snipes, his appearance in a video was probably one of- 323 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,680 - the most notable acting debuts, 324 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,880 - and the fact that he made his mark known in a music video, 325 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,520 - everyone remembered Wesley Snipes after that moment. 326 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,020 Are you bad? 327 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,400 Or is that what they teach you up in that little sissy school of yours? 328 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,040 How to forget who your friends are. 329 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,080 Let me tell you something, I don't care what- 330 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,920 - they teach you up there, you either down, or you ain't down. 331 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:30,680 And one of the things that I found was this piece of paper, 332 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,520 - which he wrote "Bad Film" on there. 333 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,400 And it's titled, "Today's Motto." 334 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,480 "Let nothing be a take unless I'm extremely satisfied, 335 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,040 - "unless I felt it in my soul." 336 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,240 You want to see who's bad? 337 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,400 You want to see who's bad? Well, come on, come on, let's do it. 338 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Let's see who's bad, man. Come on. Come on! Let's go. 339 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,680 As we're putting the piece together, 340 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,000 - working on the choreography, 341 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 - it's towards the middle of it that they say, "We have a location," 342 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,360 - so they took us to Brooklyn, to the Hoyt-Schermerhorn subway station. 343 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:08,680 There is a place where the train is actually running under us. 344 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,160 There's a midsection, that's the place we went to. 345 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,840 The first time we walked in, we were with Martin Scorsese, Quincy Jones, 346 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,960 - myself and Michael, and we're walking through there, 347 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,080 - and Michael goes, "Wow, this is great. 348 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,400 "Yeah, it looks real. Look, there's even some pee stains over there. 349 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,760 "Wow, it's really nasty, yeah, that's great." 350 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,400 Well, even if we catch them with the last two steps. 351 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,960 No, that's OK. That's OK. Oh, sure, because he's hiding as well. 352 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,440 It's ideal if we don't see it. 353 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,520 And then we come back, and he's hiding. 354 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,420 He's frozen again, that would be great if we could do that. 355 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,160 FOOTSTEPS 356 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,200 - That move is in Taxi Driver. - Yeah, I like... Yeah, I like that. 357 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Right, let's go again, same thing. Same thing. 358 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,520 Speak. 19, Kansas, take five. And action. 359 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,080 Give me a quarter. Run, move, go! Run! 360 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,240 Cut. 361 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,280 I mean, there was a moment there with the old man, 362 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,680 - when he said, "Gimme a quarter." 363 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,320 Give me a quarter. Run! Go! Run! 364 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,000 And the guy... Something happened, sort of hurt his arm a little bit. 365 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,800 - No, no, it's all right. It's all right. - What can we do? 366 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,400 We're going to take care of it. I promise you it won't happen. 367 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,320 No, please, do it in the same way, I mean, it has to be done in that way. 368 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,760 The only time Michael really became, I think, very, 369 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,120 - very concerned was at that moment, where he begged me, 370 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,170 "Please don't do another take on the guy. 371 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,760 "I didn't want to hurt anybody." I mean, really begged me. 372 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,640 I said, "No, no, no, it's all right. Actually it's all very good." 373 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,720 "Please, I beg you." It was true, we did have it, so... 374 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,680 You know, I went with that. 375 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,440 That's what I want to see. It's going to be like this. 376 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,320 - He can't touch me though. - No. - He can't touch me. 377 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,240 OK, so just run through the lines this way. 378 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,880 That's the way it's going down. Huh? That's it? 379 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,520 Well, you ain't down with us! You ain't bad, you ain't bad at all. 380 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,440 LAUGHTER 381 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,440 You know, Wesley's talking to him, and Wesley's got this fierce- 382 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,120 - kind of profile and everything like that, and it's almost like- 383 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:41,200 - I felt scared from Michael, like he was going to get eaten. 384 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,880 I was so happy to see Michael Jackson being tough. 385 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,760 I was so happy to see him in what seemed like regular surroundings. 386 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,040 I think I was a little bit caught off guard, because it was- 387 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:01,840 - like Michael talking, Michael sort of being very rough, a little bit. 388 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,880 I don't know if he was trying to reaffirm his connection with- 389 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,240 - the black community, or what he was trying to do, but it was successful. 390 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,440 It's one shot. Whatever is best for him. 391 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,080 Whatever is good to him at this point, it's only one shot. 392 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,840 The thing is also, when he drops down into it. 393 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,600 And everybody starts surrounding him. 394 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,160 If we drop down in front of the three guys the opposite way, 395 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,760 - the three guys will be in the way of the camera. 396 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,080 What I didn't realise is that, you know, 397 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,240 I have this like earnest social drama, and all of a sudden it's 398 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,360 - going to end in this choreographed big song, and it was like, "Huh?" 399 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,840 Oh, I remember this, yeah. 400 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,640 Now, the thing is... Oh, this is pretty much, you know... 401 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,040 What are you going to do, dance us to death? I think he says... 402 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,990 What, y'all going to dance us to death? 403 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,700 You got to be kidding me. 404 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,320 He probably was going to dance them to death. 405 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:30,040 Because you ain't saying nothing here. Raise up. 406 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,800 I think the Bad moment, outfit wise, 407 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,680 - was far more influential than the Thriller moment. 408 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,200 Like, the Thriller moment might have been more iconic, 409 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,880 - but Bad was more influential. 410 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960 So, I like almost dress like that today. 411 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,840 When everybody's out, they're all staring, and the pipe breaks. 412 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,440 - Yeah, right. - Everybody looks. 413 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,100 So, what's up? 414 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,160 We're going to hold that a while. 415 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,240 Michael was very interested in incorporating body popping- 416 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,740 - into his videos. 417 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,280 So, he feels like the dancers themselves know more- 418 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,120 - about what we're doing, so he chose to use the street dancers- 419 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,720 - to co-choreograph the videos with him. 420 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,080 ♪ I'm giving you on count of three ♪ 421 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,440 ♪ To show your stuff or let it be... ♪ 422 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,400 Now hit those little things like - boom! 423 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,160 Do the little moves, those little up rhythms. 424 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,440 He would work with the dancers in the daytime, but me and Casper- 425 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,160 - would go up to the Helmsley Palace hotel and work with Michael- 426 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,840 - at night, and we'd be working to 2.30, 3 in the morning. 427 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,720 And, you know, we'd take turns creating different things, 428 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,160 - making different things happen, and then he'd get in there, 429 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,800 - and he do his thing, I'd get in to do my thing, 430 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,320 - and we would take turns doing that. 431 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,400 It wasn't like a dance-off, like competing against each other, 432 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,400 - but like pushing each other, inspiring each other, 433 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,320 - and pushing each other to the next limit. 434 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,720 So at first it was myself and Casper and Michael only, 435 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,360 - then after I got hold of Gregg Burge, 436 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,120 - and Gregg Burge started coming over to the rehearsals with us- 437 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,800 - as well. And we were just gelling, just coming up with ideas, 438 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,800 - so there was nothing constructive yet. 439 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,960 ♪ You know I'm bad, ♪ ♪ I'm bad Come on... ♪ 440 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,360 - I know people made a lot of, "What's a shamone?" - Shamone. 441 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,680 Shamone is basically his hat nod to Mavis Staples. 442 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,640 ♪ Shamone, shamone. ♪ 443 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,600 He could have went with James Brown, and being like, "Lookee here," 444 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960 - or Marvin Gaye and "Hoooo!" 445 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,040 I love the fact that he played that homage to one of- 446 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,440 - the under-championed soul singers of her day. 447 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,560 ♪ Shamone, shamone, shamone... ♪ 448 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,120 Michael has this scooting move, where he scooting forward. 449 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,400 That's a Michael signature step. 450 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,840 I said, "Michael, that has never been done in a group before. 451 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,160 "Could you imagine if all of us- 452 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,160 - were scooting across the camera like that?" 453 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,600 So now it's looking like a train, "chuka-chuka-chuka-chuka..." 454 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,440 with a group of us doing it. And it worked out beautifully. 455 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600 ♪ You're throwing stones ♪ ♪ to hide your hands ♪ 456 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,520 ♪ Well, they say the sky's the limit ♪ 457 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,560 ♪ And to me that's really true ♪ 458 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,640 ♪ And my friends you have seen nothing ♪ 459 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,560 ♪ Just wait till I get through ♪ 460 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,680 ♪ Because I'm bad, ♪ ♪ I'm bad Shamone... ♪ 461 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,200 Were you familiar with the Michael Jackson "grab the crotch"? 462 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,560 No, I was not familiar with that at all! 463 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,120 It's all through the whole piece. 464 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,960 The whole thing, it's all throughout. 465 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,440 Within the moves, it's right, I mean, what can I say? 466 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,160 - The way he's moving. - But it was a surprise, though, right? 467 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,760 Yes, it was, yeah. 468 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,440 ♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad ♪ 469 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,600 ♪ You know it ♪ 470 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,960 ♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad ♪ 471 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960 ♪ You know it, you know... ♪ 472 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,120 He took what was formatted as a choreography, 473 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,720 - and he learned it to the point where he could break out of it when- 474 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,070 - he wanted to, and get right back into it, without skipping a beat. 475 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,520 Michael would just spin and snap out of it, and grab himself, "Hooooo!" 476 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,040 We never knew any of this was going to happen, 477 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,800 - and that goes to show you his genius. 478 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320 What makes one go out and mug a person? 479 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280 I mean, there's so much involved in a person who does that. 480 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,280 Insecurities, frustration, resentment, all of these things. 481 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,320 In one movement, I had him lifting the leg up, with that feeling- 482 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,560 - of wanting to fly, like we all want to do, we want to fly, and the- 483 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,200 - next movement, it's just anger, and the next movement, its tenderness. 484 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,040 Michael's seen West Side Story. 485 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,520 Michael knows Jerome Robbins' choreography, I mean, I know- 486 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,840 - he does, because that's where that looked like it came from, to me. 487 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,000 Gregg, he contributed, because he's a technical dancer, you know, 488 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000 - he's into jazz, and stuff like that, so all the really- 489 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,720 - West Side Story-looking stuff is what Gregg put into the piece. 490 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,080 I tried to keep some street stuff in it. 491 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360 HE GRUNTS 492 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,210 You see those type of moves in there. 493 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,080 ♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad ♪ 494 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,800 ♪ Shamone ♪ 495 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,520 ♪ You know I'm bad, I'm bad... ♪ 496 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,080 - The crane down... - Oh, yeah. 497 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,400 Low ceiling, I mean, the ceiling was low. 498 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,600 ♪ You know, you know Come on ♪ 499 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,640 ♪ And the whole world ♪ ♪ has to answer right now ♪ 500 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,160 ♪ When I tell you once again... ♪ 501 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,040 - There it is. - Oh, my God! 502 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,600 I get that it wasn't funny, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. 503 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,360 Something my daughter, when she saw this, she said, 504 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,200 - "Dad, you were in jail?" I said, "No, no, no, no!" 505 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,520 It was my intention to make this dance move throughout this- 506 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,520 - subway, I wanted things to move. 507 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,600 The big issue of course, ultimately, was for such a master of dancing, 508 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,480 - the concern was to show from head to toe. 509 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,800 I had to try and convince him- 510 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,760 - that I think the camera moves could work all together. 511 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,360 ♪ And the whole world ♪ ♪ has to answer right now ♪ 512 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,400 ♪ When I tell you once again ♪ ♪ Who's bad? ♪ 513 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,440 It does come back at the end to a reality in which they split. 514 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,600 And of course, it's all summed up, which is an interesting idea, 515 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,120 - that Jackson came up with, to do what he calls a breakdown. 516 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,960 A breakdown which turned out to be in the tradition of a preacher, 517 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,520 - doing a sermon. And we did that three cameras, live. 518 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,200 And Michael goes, "OK, guys, I want you to just follow me." 519 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,720 I think I had to be one of the only singers in the group, 520 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920 - because a lot of the guys were studying dance. 521 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,600 - Who's bad? - Who's bad? 522 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,800 - Who's bad? - Who's bad? 523 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,520 Oh, my God, it was church, it was James Brown. 524 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,720 If any place reaffirmed him, or if he was trying to reaffirm to- 525 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,320 - people who he was, and where his roots were... 526 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,560 And the soulfulness that he has, and frankly, 527 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,240 - the blackness that he was, it is those last 30 seconds... 528 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,920 ♪ - You know ♪ ♪ - You know ♪ 529 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,760 ♪ - You know it ♪ ♪ - You know it ♪ 530 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,560 ♪ - You know ♪ ♪ - You know ♪ 531 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,040 ♪ - You know it ♪ ♪ - You know it... ♪ 532 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,800 Sometimes he lost us, you know... 533 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,840 "So, guys, naaa, naaa, na..." 534 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,880 ♪ - Ask your mother ♪ ♪ - Your mother ♪ 535 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,680 ♪ - Ask your sister ♪ ♪ - Your sister ♪ 536 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,040 ♪ - Ask me ♪ ♪ - Ask me ♪ 537 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440 ♪ - You've been doing wrong ♪ ♪ - You've been doing wrong ♪ 538 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360 ♪ - You're doing wrong ♪ ♪ - You're doing wrong ♪ 539 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,400 ♪ - You're doing me wrong ♪ ♪ - You're doing me wrong ♪ 540 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,950 ♪ - You're doing wrong ♪ ♪ - You're doing wrong... ♪ 541 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160 And this is something that he envisioned, 542 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,040 - and he was feeling, and it finally got to that... 543 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,090 So, that's the way it goes down, hey? 544 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,600 There was a lot of talk at first of doing a different thing, 545 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,960 - maybe everyone smiling, and being happy with it. 546 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,480 18 apple, take three. 547 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,180 And action. 548 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920 Yo, it's cool, all right. 549 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920 I mean, there ain't no hard feelings or nothing. 550 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,880 But then I just said, "It just doesn't seem to work." 551 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880 The fellas have to more or less except him, 552 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,880 - and they accept them, and they go their own way, that's it. 553 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920 Last week Michael Jackson re-entered human history, 554 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680 - to gladden mankind with his latest album, 555 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,320 - thus triggering a wave of media silliness and cross-promotion. 556 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,680 CBS television let off the festival of foolishness Monday night. 557 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,880 IT broadcast a half-hour special on Jackson and his new album. 558 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800 I mean, when that video comes on Monday night, 559 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,960 - everyone's going to be glued to their TV screen, 560 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,160 - with their friends saying, 561 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,440 - "did you see that? Did you see that? Did you see that?" 562 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800 It was before the age of the internet, I mean, 563 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,840 - the most that I could do was call somebody else's house- 564 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880 - to have three-way, who called another friend to have three-way, 565 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:35,840 - like seven of us watched this short film, one three-way, in dead silence. 566 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,520 I was just transfixed in front of the TV. 567 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,960 We took all the documentary footage we could find on Michael, 568 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000 - from the very early stages, when he joined Motown records, 569 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,680 - it ended with a video clip of him in London, 570 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,520 - with hundreds of girls screaming and yelling, and we put this rumble- 571 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800 - track underneath the screaming and yelling to really enhance it. 572 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,680 It was just like this with the Beatles. 573 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,240 And Michael just loved this comment- 574 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,360 - by this woman of comparing him to the Beatles. 575 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,240 He lit up when he saw that, he just turned to me from the chair- 576 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,680 - and said, "I love it, Larry. I love it." 577 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,040 If you saw it, you witnessed one of the great bold-faced- 578 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,720 - masterpieces of promotional hype in this hype-splattered decade. 579 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,200 This video is sending out some- 580 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,600 - very strange and mixed signals, social signals, 581 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,280 - the cry for some critical analysis in the media. 582 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,840 Some people in the press got down on it because, 583 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,160 - firstly they were making fun of Michael Jackson in it, 584 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:47,280 - and then some people got onto the note of, "Is this racist? 585 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,000 "Are you exploiting a tragedy for the sake of a music entertainment?" 586 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,160 You know, Marty's in Morocco, 587 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,880 - Quincy Jones is on the red carpet somewhere- 588 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,600 - and I'm the idiot in Long Island that getting all the calls. 589 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,080 "No, it's not racist, what are you talking about?!" Freaking out, like a good liberal. 590 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,400 There was a ballad that was released, 591 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,800 - the first track from Thriller, which was a duet with Paul McCartney. 592 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,600 He duplicated that by doing a duet with Siedah Garrett. 593 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,240 25 years ago, I sat at this very spot, 594 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,280 - and played this very piano to record I Just Can't Stop Loving You. 595 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,680 I just wanna lay next to you for a while. 596 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,040 You look so beautiful tonight. 597 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,920 Your eyes are so lovely. 598 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,600 Your mouth is so sweet. 599 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,400 A lot of people misunderstand me. 600 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,640 That's because they don't know me at all. 601 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,800 I just want to touch you. 602 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,300 And hold you. 603 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,400 I need you. 604 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,160 God, I need you. 605 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,760 I Just Can't Stop Loving You is an interesting song- 606 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,160 - because it's the first single released off the album, 607 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,120 - and so the firing squad was ready. 608 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,920 They would have ripped anything apart because they were ready, 609 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,160 - they were ready to attack whatever he threw out there. 610 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400 In spite of that, it goes number one. 611 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,800 To me, I Can't Stop Loving You is like, 612 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,720 - close to his Burt Bacharach song. 613 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,600 It was actually intended as a duet with Whitney Houston. 614 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,520 This award honours you for your consistent artistic- 615 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,800 - and technical excellence in all forms of video- 616 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,480 - and for raising the standard of the art form to new horizons. 617 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,760 - Thank you, Whitney. - You're welcome. 618 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,600 To all the fans around the world, thank you very much, and I love you. 619 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,640 So Arista Records says, "We don't want Whitney to be over-exposed." 620 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,140 Clive Davidson! 621 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,960 When I see Clive, I'm going to give him hell. 622 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000 Just kidding, just kidding, everybody calm down. 623 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,880 I remember when it came out I was really disappointed- 624 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,240 - because I was like, you're going to put out a slow song- 625 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,600 - after this whole run of Thriller and all these songs, 626 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880 - you're going to put out a slow song? 627 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,120 Come on, this is the big comeback. Where's the music video? 628 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,360 And who's that girl singing? 629 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,840 I only later found out it was Siedah Garrett. 630 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200 And there weren't very many people in the studio. 631 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,440 It was just Michael, Quincy, Bruce Swedien and me. 632 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,280 And Quincy just sort of over his shoulder said, 633 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,680 - "Hey, Sid, you like the song?" 634 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,520 And I'm going, "Yeah." Knitting. "Yeah, I like it." 635 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,680 He said, "You think you can sing it?" I'm like, "Yeah." 636 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,320 So I walked in this room and I see these two mic stands- 637 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,840 - and there's music sheets on the mic stands- 638 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,760 - and in the moment that I saw the music sheets where it said, 639 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,920 - "Michael, Siedah, Michael, Siedah," that was the moment I realised, 640 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,680 - oh, my God, I'm doing a duet with Michael Jackson! 641 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,520 ♪ I hear your voice now ♪ 642 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,040 ♪ You are my choice now ♪ 643 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,320 ♪ The love we bring ♪ 644 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,800 ♪ Heaven's in my heart ♪ 645 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680 ♪ At your call, I hear harps ♪ 646 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,160 ♪ And angels sing ♪ 647 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,520 I'm singing, my eyes are closed, ♪ You know how I... ♪ 648 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,920 And Michael started tossing, I think it was popcorn. 649 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,680 I'm singing, my eyes closed and I'm feeling this, 650 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,560 - and then Quincy, all Quincy sees is me, you know, 651 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,800 he said, "Sid, this is studio time, you're wasting time, Siedah, 652 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,760 - "you're wasting an expensive studio." 653 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,800 And Michael is cracking up. 654 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,200 I Just Can't Stop Loving You started at 3am. 655 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,720 That's one of those you get the phone call to wake up- 656 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,240 - and, "We need to record right now." 657 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,160 And we were done probably in an hour and a half. 658 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,000 On the album version of I Just Can't Stop Loving You, 659 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,960 - you make some very strong sensuous remarks to a woman- 660 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,920 - that you're lying next to. 661 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,040 - I was in a bed when I was doing that. - Really? - Yeah. 662 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,240 I was lying in bed, the cover and everything. 663 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,600 ♪ At night when the stars shine ♪ 664 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,800 ♪ I pray in you I'll find ♪ 665 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,480 ♪ A love so true ♪ 666 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,560 ♪ When morning awakes me ♪ 667 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,120 ♪ Will you come and take me? ♪ 668 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,920 ♪ I'll wait for you ♪ 669 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,600 ♪ You know how I feel ♪ 670 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,280 ♪ I won't stop until ♪ 671 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,480 ♪ I hear your voice saying "I do" ♪ 672 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,520 ♪ I do ♪ 673 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,360 ♪ This thing can't go wrong ♪ 674 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,720 ♪ This feeling so strong ♪ 675 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,440 ♪ My life ain't worth living ♪ ♪ if I can't be with you. ♪ 676 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,360 When I was recording my bits, I didn't need any charts, 677 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,160 - I would just listen to the demo, 678 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,440 - really, internalise the parts that way- 679 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,000 - and in talking a little bit with Michael and getting his wishes across, musically, 680 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200 - I just translate all that and play it. 681 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,800 ♪ Hee-hee-hee, won't you, girl. ♪ 682 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,320 I was slated to be on the Bad tour. 683 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,280 I was convinced by my record company and other people- 684 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,720 - that I needed to do a record cos the duet had just come out. 685 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,960 I'd rehearsed with them for a week- 686 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,480 - when I decided I wanted to do my record so I pulled out. 687 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,720 ♪ At night when the stars shine ♪ 688 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,480 ♪ I pray that I'll find ♪ 689 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,480 ♪ A love so true ♪ 690 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,040 The band used to bet on whether Michael was getting excited- 691 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,400 - during the song. Now... 692 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,280 - Singing to you? - Yeah. I say that's a stretch. 693 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,960 ♪ I'll wait for you ♪ 694 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,520 ♪ You know how I feel ♪ 695 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,600 ♪ I won't stop until... ♪ 696 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,800 Working with Michael and doing the duet is really, it's intense. 697 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000 Every time we do that, it's a different experience, you know. 698 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,200 And he draws you in so much and just singing a song into his eyes- 699 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,920 - and having him look at you, it's really exciting. 700 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,000 ♪ This feeling so strong ♪ 701 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,560 ♪ My life ain't worth living ♪ 702 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,000 ♪ If I can't be with you ♪ 703 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,200 ♪ I just can't stop loving you ♪ 704 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,080 ♪ Oh! I just can't stop loving you ♪ 705 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,400 ♪ And if I stop, ♪ ♪ tell me just what will I do? ♪ 706 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,920 ♪ I just can't stop loving you. ♪ 707 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,000 Michael Jackson has such a great instinct for the groove, 708 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,280 - like the groove in Michael Jackson, he was rocking at all times, 709 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,440 - he could hear the groove. 710 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,320 So if you take that groove and you put it to orchestration, 711 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000 - it makes it bigger, it makes it more powerful. 712 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,520 - Quincy Jones/Michael Jackson collaboration was historic. 713 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,600 It was a match made in heaven because first of all, 714 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,720 - there was a tremendous amount of mutual respect. 715 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,760 There is no-one in popular music history like Quincy, 716 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,200 - as an orchestrator, as a composer. 717 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,640 Coming from all of his background, Count Basie, 718 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,960 - Frank Sinatra, Dinah Washington, playing trumpet in Lionel Hampton's band. 719 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,800 The most beautiful part about the love affair, and that's what it is, 720 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,080 - the love affair between a producer, whatever you want to call it, 721 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,200 - the person that's on the other side, 722 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,760 - a person that loves that artist enough to never want to see him in trouble, 723 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,520 - and only wants to see the best for that artist, 724 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,040 - to come up with the best results, 725 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,120 - is an incredible trust, where you can say, 726 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,920 "Jump, Michael, there's no parachute, there's no net, 727 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,560 - "there's nothing there, there's 34 stories down, jump." 728 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,280 One of the great things about Quincy is that he has this ability- 729 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,440 - of mixing all kinds of different genres- 730 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,520 - and personalities into one beautiful blend. 731 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,080 Because he only uses the best, the creme de la creme of musicians. 732 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,200 Working with Quincy was like being at school. 733 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,800 I learned so much about separation, 734 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,680 - in trying to make a record where everyone, 735 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,720 - he used to say, "Everybody can't come in the door at the same time." 736 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,160 And he used to always say, "You can't polish doo-doo." 737 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,480 You can't polish doo-doo. You know, you've got to have a great song at the beginning. 738 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,320 When we look at the end of a day and I have goosebumps, 739 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,680 - and Michael has goosebumps and Bruce Swedien, the engineer, has goosebumps, 740 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,920 - then I think we've got something special. 741 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,240 And Quincy just puts his little fairy dust over it- 742 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,760 - and it's a Quincy Jones project and it's kind of, as he says, 743 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,840 - "Leave space for God to walk through the door and create some magic." 744 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,200 Michael Jackson had been into champagne music. 745 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,560 You know how in St Tropez when you order champagne- 746 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:04,240 - they bring the sparklers out with the champagne? Michael saw that 20 years ago ahead and made a sound. 747 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,720 Michael Jackson made the sound of fabulous. Him and Quincy. 748 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,680 And Michael was one of those sources of energy where he brought so much, 749 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,240 - so much originality but also an amazing collaborator. 750 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,120 He's so disciplined and he's got that perfect balance- 751 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,920 - of soul and science. He knows the working parts of his craft. 752 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,160 And he has total trust in an intuitive part of his craft, 753 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,000 - and so that's the balance. The head and heart. 754 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,760 Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad. 755 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,560 They created three hurricanes that basically went through the globe- 756 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,560 - and everybody got caught up and danced. 757 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,720 Well, we're here today to try to finish up a session- 758 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:53,520 - with Michael Jackson singing in Spanish and in French. 759 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,800 We've spoken about this for years and years, 760 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,280 - from when we were doing Off The Wall and we were doing Thriller, 761 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,320 - but we never got around to it because by the time- 762 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,040 - we finished the album, we'd do disco versions and we'd do videos et cetera- 763 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,920 - and I think inside we weren't really sure whether we could make it work. 764 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,480 ♪ Como la briza... ♪ 765 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,480 The one thing I didn't think was possible- 766 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,880 - was just to do a translation of the song. 767 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,800 - Word for word, you mean, right? - Yes. 768 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,000 So what I said was, "Let me understand the song- 769 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,400 - and I'll be as close as I can to what the song was about." 770 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,800 ♪ Tu me haces sentir ♪ 771 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,560 ♪ Deseos de vivir ♪ 772 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,400 ♪ Junto a ti por siemp're ♪ 773 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,520 ♪ Tu amor es mi suerte ♪ 774 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,080 One more. I think I need more level in the phones, 775 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,840 - like I'm drowning the track out. 776 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,920 It was a privilege for me to watch the way he performed- 777 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,640 - and the way he handled this. 778 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,920 He felt perhaps a bit vulnerable. 779 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,200 I'm sorry. You can continue. Here we go. 780 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,920 When you control the whole thing, 781 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,800 - all of a sudden now somebody's telling you how to do something- 782 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,480 - in a language that is not yours, and so you are vulnerable. 783 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,280 And I made it my main effort to make him feel comfortable, 784 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,560 - not to feel that I was in any way mocking him because it's not easy. 785 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,720 This is the first time he ever tried to do anything in Spanish that I know of. 786 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,760 I wanted Michael to sound like, you don't know who that is. 787 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,640 The pronunciation was so good, 788 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,240 - that... I was stunned. 789 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,240 ♪ Y cuando no estas ♪ 790 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,840 ♪ No hay felicidad ♪ 791 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,280 Both of them: "Mi vida no es vida." 792 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,400 My life is not a life. Si tu te vas, if you leave. 793 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,280 ♪ Si tu te vas. ♪ 794 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,000 Todo me amor eres tu - all my love, you are all my love. 795 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,040 ♪ Todo mi amor eres tu. ♪ 796 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,920 When people found out that Michael Jackson had sung a song in Spanish, 797 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,600 - they were very, very, very proud and happy. 798 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,680 Well, The Hayvenhurst studio is located in a guest house here- 799 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,280 - at the Jacksons' property, at their home, 800 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,680 - and the studio was used for recording demos- 801 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,760 - and I worked with Michael recording and developing his ideas, his songs, 802 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,680 - his arrangements, his productions for the Bad album. 803 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,680 Over a two, three year period of time, 804 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,360 - it was just a non-stop work in progress. 805 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:40,640 The number of demos that we worked on for Bad was 60, maybe 65 demos. 806 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,960 When I received the demos, they were in really good shape at that time. 807 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200 I guess I didn't realise at the time but what we were doing- 808 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,960 - was we were forming the B team. 809 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,440 Quincy always called his team the A-Team. His engineer, Bruce Swedien... 810 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440 ...John Robinson on drums... 811 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,640 - ..arranger Jerry Hayes... - ..Nathan East on bass... 812 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,680 Keyboards would have been Greg Phillinganes. 813 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,120 I started with Michael here at Hayvenhurst. 814 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,400 We were the kind of initial team which was John Barnes, 815 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,280 - myself, Michael, Bill Bottrell, Chris Currell. 816 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,520 And then at times other musicians would come in, 817 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,960 - most prominent would be David Williams, who is no longer with us. 818 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,760 And in some ways I think Michael kind of liked that vibe. 819 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,920 He kind of liked the vibe of, you know, having a little competition- 820 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,720 - to see who could come up with the best thing. 821 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,000 I think this is one of the things that he learned from his Motown days, 822 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,920 - something he learned from Berry Gordy. 823 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,800 We weren't making demos, we were making records. 824 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,200 Anybody else would be perfectly happy- 825 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,760 - to accept a Michael demo as a finished record, 826 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,440 - let me put it that way. 827 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,440 We would work every single day on creating individual sounds for songs- 828 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,000 - that were going to ultimately be on the record. 829 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,800 We'd record them, re-record them, different keys, 830 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,400 - different speeds, different instrumentation, 831 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,720 - and so that became kind of an experiment in how far can we push. 832 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:12,080 Michael would say, "You know, it starts in this very room." 833 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,840 And from this room it goes out and it spreads over the entire world. 834 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,600 It's... quite an experience to be back here, 835 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,560 - at Hayvenhurst studio, 836 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,080 - just as it was when I last left it, almost 25 years ago. 837 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,440 We never knew what we were going to do when we showed up. 838 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,600 If Michael was inspired, we followed it. 839 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,160 So this is Michael singing multiple harmony parts. 840 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,240 This is Michael double-tracking, the mid, the low, the high parts. 841 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:51,560 There is actually ten tracks of Michael singing his own backgrounds on this song. 842 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,560 ♪ The way you make me feel ♪ 843 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,920 ♪ You really turn me on ♪ 844 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,920 ♪ You knock me off my feet. ♪ 845 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,760 You can hear the difference in sound quality from being out here- 846 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,680 - in the music room, to walking into the bathroom. 847 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,880 Now this room was one of Michael's favourite places- 848 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,880 - because of the nature of the surfaces in this room. 849 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:19,640 One of the things that we would do is we would record with the door to the shower open, 850 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,760 - much more reflective, a lot of what we call early reflection, 851 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,400 - a lot of brightness, a lot of reinforcement to how things sound. 852 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,680 ♪ I like the style of your ♪ ♪ walk your talk, your dress ♪ 853 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,920 ♪ I feel your fever from miles around ♪ 854 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,660 ♪ I'll pick you up... ♪ 855 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,560 ♪ ...paint the town ♪ 856 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,080 ♪ Just kiss me baby and tell me twice ♪ 857 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,720 ♪ That you're... ♪ I know this part! 858 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:10,160 ♪ The way you make me feel ♪ 859 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,800 Ha, I know that! 860 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,160 ♪ It really turns me o-o-on ♪ 861 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,440 ♪ Knocking me off of my feet now, baby ♪ 862 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,480 ♪ Lonely days are gone ♪ 863 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,960 I met with Quincy, Quincy Jones and Frank, 864 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,960 - to find out what they were looking for in the video. 865 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,920 And they said, basically, we want to take Michael to another level, 866 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,160 - especially with his relationships with women. 867 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,400 And then I talked to Michael and I said, "Where do you want it to happen?" He said, "Skid Row." 868 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,600 We wrote a long prequel, just like they did in Bad. 869 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,960 - I contacted August Wilson. - Yeah?! - Yeah. 870 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,880 Cos I'm from Pittsburgh and so was he. 871 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,840 - What did August say? - No. He said no. 872 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,120 I did this little documentary about the guys on the street, 873 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,640 - real, real stuff, and showed it to Michael. 874 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,720 He looked at it and actually said, 875 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,400 - "Can we make the video look like this?" Because it was all handheld and jerky. 876 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,800 And I said, "If that's what you want. You're sure you want that?" He said, "yeah." 877 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,400 Get out of here, man! 878 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,200 Check out that rear end! Whoo! 879 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,160 Don't touch my head! No! 880 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,720 You're acting like a little tramp! 881 00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:25,320 And we actually used real gang members in the video. 882 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,920 We had the V13s down here on this corner- 883 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,080 - and the Crips on this corner, and some of the guys were smoking- 884 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,200 - and Michael came and he said, "Jo, the guys are smoking down there. 885 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,200 "It's kind of bothersome." And I just turned and said, 886 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,680 - "Will you fucking guys quit fucking smocking?!" 887 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,560 And Michael, he almost panicked, he almost hid behind me- 888 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,280 - because this is all these gang members, 889 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,560 - we had cops everywhere, though. It wasn't a problem. 890 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,060 Hey! 891 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,460 When he sees the girl, he did a thing with his fingers going... 892 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,720 It happened once, my brother was operating the camera and caught it. I said, "Oh, my God, thank God." 893 00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,720 Michael had the best-sounding fingers, didn't he? 894 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,640 I don't remember which song it is, 895 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,400 - but on Bad he has a credit for finger snaps. 896 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,240 One of the most amazing moments that I remember was Michael walking, 897 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:35,520 - walking, walking, and catches up to Tatyana, 898 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,440 - and sings for the first time... 899 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,360 ♪ You knock me off of ♪ ♪ my feet now, baby, hoo! ♪ 900 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,440 Everything stopped. We had to stop shooting because people just froze. 901 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,360 They actually froze. 902 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,080 ♪ Hoo! ♪ 903 00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:03,480 To play a shuffle like that for 12 minutes is not easy. 904 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,800 Michael's mother, she has this song in mind. 905 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,840 She says, "Michael, you've got to come up with a song- 906 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,520 - that has this real shuffling kind of rhythm." 907 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,040 And Michael says, "OK, I'll see what I can come up with." 908 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,640 Shuffles have a unique rhythm. Most songs you hear are kind of linear. 909 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,600 Shuffles have an extra rhythmic element going on. 910 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,720 You can have a cowbell underneath the backbeat to reinforce the sound. 911 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,040 None of the backbeat that you hear on that album- 912 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,800 - is going to have just a basic, typical snare drum sound. 913 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,120 I recorded the drums on a wooden platform. 914 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,200 It minimises what is called secondary pick-up, 915 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,680 - which is where the other mics in the room- 916 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,280 - pick up from those sound sources. 917 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,120 And then we got the idea, 918 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,800 - why doesn't Michael stand on that when he sings? 919 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,640 And he did, and it sounds glorious. 920 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,720 ♪ Hey, pretty baby ♪ ♪ with the high heels on ♪ 921 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,160 ♪ You give me fever like ♪ ♪ I've never ever known... ♪ 922 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,880 This was my first album ever as a little girl. 923 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,840 I cried and cried to my mom, begged her to please buy this for me. 924 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,840 I would play this like crazy, and dance with it. 925 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,240 I mean, this was a dream come true. This was something I had fantasised- 926 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,800 - and dreamed about since I was five or six years old. 927 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,800 ♪ You're the one for me ♪ 928 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,280 ♪ The way you make me feel... ♪ 929 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,760 The girl that we finally chose, Tatiana, wasn't in my first five. 930 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,440 I didn't like her. 931 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,640 And I showed Frank DiLeo, his manager, the casting tape- 932 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,240 - and he said, "That girl's running around with Prince. 933 00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,840 "If Michael finds out, he'll be upset." 934 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,960 "And that girl's running around with so-and-so, 935 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,480 - I'm not going to name names." 936 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,880 He said, "I can't say." Cos it was Quincy Jones. 937 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,440 I think. As I remember. 938 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,960 She seemed physically to be the female version of Michael Jackson. 939 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,000 There may have been, in his head, an interesting idea about, 940 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,040 "Wow! This is almost kind of my perfect complement." 941 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,040 ♪ I like the feelin' you're givin' me ♪ 942 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,840 ♪ Just hold me, ♪ ♪ baby and I'm in ecstasy ♪ 943 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,680 ♪ Oh, I'll be workin' from 9 to 5... ♪ 944 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,680 She was the finest thing around at that time. I wanted to be Michael. 945 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,080 I wanted to be Michael, walking right beside her, 946 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,320 - standing on cars and being... I wanted to be Michael that day. 947 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,400 ♪ Promise, baby, ♪ ♪ you'll love me for ever more ♪ 948 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,960 ♪ I swear I'm keepin' you satisfied ♪ 949 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,200 ♪ Cos you're the one for me ♪ 950 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,960 ♪ - The way you make me feel ♪ ♪ - The way you make me feel ♪ 951 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,320 ♪ - You really turn me on ♪ ♪ - You really turn me on ♪ 952 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,520 ♪ You knock me off of my feet now... ♪ 953 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,320 I first got hooked up with Quincy through a band I was playing in, 954 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,160 - in Los Angeles, called Seawind. 955 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,800 We were playing at a club. 956 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,800 Quincy, always being at the forefront of finding new talent, 957 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,200 - heard about us as a horn section, called up one night. 958 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,520 - "Jerry, this is Quincy Jones." - "What?" 959 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,360 - "Yeah, you want to play on a record?" - "Of course." 960 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,840 - "You want to do an arrangement?" - "Oh... OK." 961 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,720 He said, "And how about tomorrow?" 962 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,800 And that was kind of the beginning- 963 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,560 - of this 30-plus year relationship with Quincy. 964 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,040 Our horn players are two saxophone players, 965 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,120 - Kim Hutchcroft and Larry Williams. The trumpet player, Gary Grant. 966 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,600 The trombone player, Bill Reichenbach. 967 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,680 Vamp out. 968 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,520 Again, two trumpets, two saxes. 969 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,120 The day of the audition, I wore a dance skin, 970 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,360 - a black dress with boots and bracelets, bangles, 971 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,120 - which was kind of like my signature thing at the time. 972 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,200 And I heard that Michael liked my look. 973 00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,000 He liked the whole style of what I had done, so he kept that. 974 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,840 We created a complete look for her. 975 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,680 Hair extensions, we changed her make up completely. 976 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,240 I had two dresses at that time. One was pink, one was black. 977 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,000 And the black one was kind of reminiscent of a Tatiana dress. 978 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,680 That's the way I was living. 979 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,400 ♪ Go on, girl ♪ 980 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,040 ♪ Go on ♪ 981 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,120 ♪ Ow! ♪ 982 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,640 ♪ Go on, girl ♪ 983 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,720 ♪ Oooh! ♪ 984 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,280 ♪ Ooh! ♪ 985 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,360 The Way You Make Me Feel video, um, you know, when he's chasing- 986 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,080 - the girl around, that was kind of how I pictured my Baby video. 987 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,920 We kind of based it off of that. 988 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,520 In my video, you can see I'm in a bowling alley- 989 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,720 - but it's kind of like a modern version. 990 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,600 I'm chasing her around, trying to get her to like me. 991 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,520 ♪ The way you make me feel ♪ 992 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,120 ♪ The way you make me feel ♪ 993 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,400 ♪ You really turn me good... ♪ 994 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,360 Mike called me and said, "I told Joe Pytka, 995 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680 - who's directing it, that I wasn't doing any dancing." 996 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,640 "But the more I listen to it, I think I want to put some dancing in there." 997 00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,800 "Could you go to a studio and work on some stuff, 998 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,560 - then I'll come in and join you." 999 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,920 Joe came in to see, heard this music going on- 1000 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,280 - and was like, "What the heck's going on in here?" 1001 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,680 I see this beautiful piece being choreographed, 1002 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,800 - but the idea that I'd had for the video didn't have a place for that. 1003 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,920 We had to very quickly improvise where to put that. 1004 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,520 That's where the fire hydrant idea came from. 1005 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,920 ♪ The way you make me feel ♪ 1006 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,600 ♪ You really turn me on ♪ 1007 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,080 ♪ You knock me off my feet... ♪ 1008 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,920 Fans were always bombarding me with the question, 1009 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,560 "Why does he chase you throughout the video only for a hug and not a kiss?" 1010 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,920 Joe Pytka, the director, he whispered in my ear right before the- 1011 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,840 - very last scene where we hug, and he told me, he said, "Don't kiss him." 1012 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,040 I thought the kiss was too corny. 1013 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,360 I'm not even sure I wanted him to get that close. 1014 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,160 I wanted him to maybe stop like here. 1015 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,400 But it worked out with the caress and the hug. 1016 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,520 He says, "Because you were originally supposed to kiss, 1017 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,680 - but Michael is too shy for that so don't kiss him." 1018 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,360 When Michael did finally come out and we got close and we hugged, 1019 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:49,160 - I could smell like a minty, minty fresh scent from his breath. 1020 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,520 That was a signal! 1021 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,680 I kind of think he came prepared but... 1022 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,360 Being told not to kiss him, and that he couldn't handle it, 1023 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,600 - he was too shy, I didn't want to take advantage like that. 1024 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,720 Oh, listen, Tatiana was not shy. She was not a shy girl. 1025 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,440 And in fact, going on with this story is little bit, 1026 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,880 - she was told, "Definitely don't kiss Michael onstage." 1027 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,960 He was complaining she'd become too aggressive on stage and everything. 1028 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,920 I made a joke, "Is this going to be X-rated, this thing?" 1029 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,840 I said, "Michael, why don't you just go fuck her? Fuck her one night. 1030 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,600 "Get it over with." 1031 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,120 He started laughing and Frank said, "What the hell are you doing? 1032 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,880 "I've got enough Goddamn trouble without you trying to get him- 1033 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,440 - involved with this girl." 1034 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,720 But for me, it became policy because I said, 1035 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,440 - "OK, if Michael doesn't kiss in the video, 1036 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,080 - I don't think anybody should kiss in the video." 1037 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,800 So since that day, I always edit out kisses in videos- 1038 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,200 - and one in particular, Justin Bieber made a video. 1039 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,360 He was going to kiss the girl and I went crazy. 1040 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,240 And I went crazy, A - because he wanted to kiss the girl, 1041 01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,800 - and B - she was a black girl. 1042 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,560 And I was like, "OK, you're about to mess up your whole thing, man." 1043 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,640 Oh, oh, look, Granny. It-it's... 1044 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:19,320 Ah... it's-it's... Mmm... mmm... ah! M-M-M... 1045 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,920 Mantovani? 1046 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,040 No. Michael Jackson! 1047 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,680 Michael Jackson! 1048 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,720 Speed Demon is a song that maybe people aren't as familiar with- 1049 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:35,080 - on the album, but actually serves as a metaphor for the entire album. 1050 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,400 Because what Michael is trying to do with this album is escape, 1051 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,160 - escape from all the things that are confining him, 1052 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,000 - all the things that are suffocating him. 1053 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,640 There he is! Hey, buddy, how about an autograph? 1054 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,640 Would you autograph my tummy? 1055 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,760 Speed Demon was my song. 1056 01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:00,120 I'm a percussionist and that song was 100% syncopated adrenaline. 1057 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,240 In the James Brown mode of rhythm arrangement where you use- 1058 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,680 - instruments as percussion. 1059 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,920 ♪ Speed Demon ♪ 1060 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,360 ♪ Speed Demon... ♪ 1061 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,960 It was pretty much clay-mation, you know, 1062 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,880 - matted into live action settings. It was a real mix. 1063 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,040 The whole idea of that music video, that short, 1064 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,880 - was really to merge live action and clay-mation together. 1065 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,080 There was one place in the story where, you know, 1066 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,120 - he turns into our character Spike Rabbit, 1067 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,560 - you know, as a way to sort of get away from the paparazzi and so forth. 1068 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,600 Our Spike character wanders through in this incredible chase, 1069 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,320 - but when they come back and they separate, they separate like this and 1070 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,680 - so Spike's still there and Michael's right there and they do a duet. 1071 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,840 A little dance thing. 1072 01:03:53,840 --> 01:04:00,080 So we had to make Spike Rabbit dance right alongside Michael. 1073 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,360 That was really, really fun because, for one thing, 1074 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,880 - we had to work out the choreography between what he was going to do- 1075 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,560 - and how we were going to do it, and figure out exactly how the- 1076 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,320 - moves were going to work, and work it right to the music and so on. 1077 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,680 Instead of easing into it, maybe just really hit it. Full load. 1078 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,880 I wish I could. I feel so limited. This stuff is so tight on me. 1079 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:29,320 Upon finishing with Speed Demon, he called up one day, 1080 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,160 - he got around to saying how much he loved the California Raisin- 1081 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,960 - commercials, so I realised where he was going. 1082 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,040 And I said, "Michael, you should be a raisin." 1083 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,540 "Yeah!" 1084 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,880 "Will, I really need you to call me pertaining to the backup guys, 1085 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,760 - the character's got to be much stronger." 1086 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,480 "It doesn't hit it right on." 1087 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,440 "This is very important. Thank you. Bye." 1088 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,680 The rap raisins materialising behind me, 1089 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,400 - I want to define their character. 1090 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,560 And from his expression, which is 99% of it. 1091 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:15,440 The one guy has the glasses, and he has the type of attitude that- 1092 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,440 - he's so cool that I'm fortunate that he's here. 1093 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,920 And he's much too cool for, like, one of these. 1094 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,160 And the other one is like a sarc... sarcasm. 1095 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,840 It's like, "What you looking at?" 1096 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,000 The other raisin would be this style. No glasses. 1097 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,000 So his eyes are most of the expression. Like... 1098 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,800 Like that. 1099 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,320 ♪ I heard it through the grapevine ♪ 1100 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,640 ♪ Raised in the California sunshine ♪ 1101 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,320 ♪ Heard it through the grapevine, baby ♪ 1102 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:27,520 Michael! 1103 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:28,720 ♪ Oooh ♪ 1104 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,560 ♪ And I think I'm about to lose my mind ♪ 1105 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,120 ♪ Oooh! ♪ 1106 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,640 Wow! Must have been something I ate. 1107 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:46,920 Right now on the decks I have the 12-inch single to Liberian Girl- 1108 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,920 - and Run DMC's beats to Sucka MCs. 1109 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,840 It sounds something like this. 1110 01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:01,920 Quincy wanted some kind of African little intro thing here. 1111 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,200 So this was Michael Boddicker on synth- 1112 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,920 - and all these effects- 1113 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:14,120 - are kind of giving an African sunrise sort of thing. 1114 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,640 ♪ Naku penda piya-naku ♪ ♪ taka piya-mpenziwe. ♪ 1115 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,480 I mean, people underestimated how radical that was. 1116 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,680 Nobody else was writing songs about African women- 1117 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,000 - as beautiful in 1987-1988. 1118 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,520 - It's so nice to see you again. - Nice to see you too. 1119 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,520 I've had the time of my life here. I'd had so much fun. 1120 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:48,800 I hate to leave. 1121 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,560 Here's the biggest pop star in the world, 1122 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,200 - who quote-unquote is making himself look white, and yet he's very- 1123 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,720 - engaged with beauty and the idea of Africa as a site of beauty. 1124 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,520 It's just speaks to the fact that Michael had a very strong- 1125 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,720 - African consciousness. He went to Africa a lot. 1126 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,880 He was very engaged with the continent. 1127 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,160 Is there a Liberian girl in your life? 1128 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,720 No. I wrote that at my house, in the game room. 1129 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,440 I guess I was playing some pinball or something. 1130 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,400 And the song just popped into my head. 1131 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:24,480 I think I ran upstairs, put it on tape and it became Liberian Girl. 1132 01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:29,120 When it was created, it just happened like lightning. 1133 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,800 It was just an instant thing. 1134 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,400 Normally, it took a lot of time to put things together. 1135 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,240 That one happened in three or four hours. 1136 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,560 I'm a great believer in sonic fantasy. 1137 01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,160 Not sonic reality. 1138 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:50,320 Sonic fantasy means creating a soundscape that exists- 1139 01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:54,560 - only in your imagination. That only you can see. 1140 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:59,600 So I could see these incredible soundscapes, and I thought... 1141 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,640 Liberian Girl? 1142 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,360 - Liberian girl is... - My man! 1143 01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,080 ...Is a perfect example. 1144 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,240 I did a little synth work on that. 1145 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,680 That part right there. 1146 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,080 And it's got a little bird thing happening there on the end of it. 1147 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,600 Quincy said, "Give me some of that bird stuff, Boddicker." 1148 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,240 That's got a little bit of it. The next time is even more so. 1149 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:28,840 So... there's this part that I wrote. 1150 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,920 I played drums Speed Demon, Liberian Girl. 1151 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,400 That was good, Liberian Girl was a fun song to do- 1152 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,480 - because everyone would always ask me, 1153 01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:40,960 - "Why did Michael write a song about a lady working in a library?" 1154 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,360 Yeah, there's a little sexy lady behind the counter with- 1155 01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,040 - the glasses and the pencil in her hair. 1156 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,280 Then she drops her hair and does that thing. 1157 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,440 I thought that's what he was talking about. 1158 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,680 No, that's not... 1159 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,240 That was just... he thought that was the funniest thing he's ever heard. 1160 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,840 The video for Liberian Girl is probably the point where- 1161 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,320 - they may have run over budget. 1162 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,400 It just has a bunch of celebrities- 1163 01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,040 - that are waiting for Michael to show up. 1164 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,080 ♪ With two lovers in a scene ♪ 1165 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,360 ♪ And she says, "Do you love me?" ♪ 1166 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,880 ♪ And he says so endlessly ♪ 1167 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,560 ♪ "I love you, Liberian girl"... ♪ 1168 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,080 Michael was not in Liberian Girl- 1169 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,960 - because I think he got tired of making videos. 1170 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,360 I was talking to Walter Yetnikoff about it and he said, 1171 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,160 - "You've got to get him in the video." 1172 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,720 So I called up Michael and said, 1173 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,240 - "You've got to be in this video someplace." 1174 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,640 And he goes, "OK, I have an idea." 1175 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,760 And he goes, "You got one take. You got 15 minutes." 1176 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,600 One sec. Just let me tell you when I'm ready. One sec. 1177 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,160 - Ready? - Almost. 1178 01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,280 And he got in the chair, they raised it up in the air, and said, "Action!" 1179 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:48,880 Action! 1180 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,520 OK, everybody. That's a wrap. 1181 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,480 Cut! 1182 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:04,160 They didn't even shut the engine off. 1183 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,360 They got out of the car, no make up, got in the chair. 1184 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,520 It was one take. In, out, and Michael left. 1185 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,440 I'm going to mock myself. 1186 01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:19,040 ♪ I watch you on the floor ♪ 1187 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,040 ♪ Cheek to cheek ♪ 1188 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,400 ♪ She's getting to you ♪ 1189 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,640 ♪ You didn't see ♪ ♪ her eyes on me, no... ♪ 1190 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,280 More time, please. 1191 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,080 How did Just Good Friends make that album? Well... 1192 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,120 Michael or Stevie could've written a better song. 1193 01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,440 - Exactly. - Taken something from their back catalogue. 1194 01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:43,240 An album should be built with peaks and valleys. 1195 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:49,480 Michael Jackson with Bad actually tried to achieve 11 peaks. 1196 01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:53,280 I believe that in Michael's head everything had to hit you- 1197 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,720 - out the box, and absolutely become a monstrous single. 1198 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,480 And because they were attempting to go for the single, 1199 01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:04,280 - and the summit meeting between two former child prodigies- 1200 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,320 - from the Motown school, that you expected fireworks. 1201 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,680 You know, Just Good Friends just wound up being a little- 1202 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:19,080 - coffee break in between Liberian Girl and Another Part Of Me. 1203 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,480 I think there was a lot that did exist at that point that- 1204 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:27,000 - would have been... as strong or stronger. 1205 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:31,160 I mean, his vault has got to be staggering. 1206 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,200 - My man Stevie wonder. - I mean, unbelievable talent. 1207 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,880 And he's another worker like that. 1208 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,680 He'd be working and recording every day. 1209 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:47,840 I had on my album that I wanted him to do... my character's album, 1210 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,160 - which was Get It. 1211 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,960 So we sort of both did each other a favour, favour, favour. 1212 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,680 But I made sure the song he did of mine I wrote. 1213 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,660 Yeah. 1214 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,320 ♪ My baby love me ♪ 1215 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,680 ♪ - I'm her doggone lover ♪ ♪ - You don't know... ♪ 1216 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,720 That one, we couldn't get the right song. 1217 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,840 I know I didn't have the right song so... 1218 01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,640 If somebody says that didn't work, I know it didn't work. 1219 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,320 ♪ - Hoo-hooo! ♪ ♪ - Doot-Do-Do-Doo ♪ 1220 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,840 ♪ - Hoo-hooo! ♪ ♪ - Doot-Do-Do-Doo... ♪ 1221 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,960 - It's starting to get stinky now. - I can just punch that part in. 1222 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,840 Excuse me? Great. 1223 01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,440 Can we go home? 1224 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:33,480 - Is that it? - I just ran off, didn't I? 1225 01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:37,240 Another Part Of Me. My favourite cut on the Bad album. 1226 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,280 All the instruments incorporated in that song, 1227 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,520 - as well as just his vocals, nobody can kind of, you know, teach that. 1228 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,840 I think that's just natural. 1229 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,720 So whatever he was on at that time, when he was just like, 1230 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,360 - "Yo, I'm in this. I feel this. I need to do this." 1231 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,520 Like, I just think that's his blessing. 1232 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,040 The song itself actually wasn't going to make it onto the album- 1233 01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,880 - because he'd recorded it earlier. 1234 01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,360 And he actually preferred a song called Streetwalker. 1235 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,320 ♪ Pretty baby I got kisses for you, lover ♪ 1236 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,440 ♪ I really get it when ♪ ♪ you're next to me... ♪ 1237 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,640 The litmus test is always, what song gets Michael dancing? 1238 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,640 So when Quincy saw Michael dancing all round the studio to- 1239 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,920 - another Part Of Me said, "That's what makes this song go on the album." 1240 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,800 Michael Jackson's Bad is black music, 1241 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,760 - dare I say, pop music's first stadium album. 1242 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,880 Every song, I can hear it being thought of in his head as, 1243 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,400 - "This is what I want it to be- 1244 01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,640 - when I perform it in front of 60.000 to 80.000 people." 1245 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,840 Hey! Hey! Hey! 1246 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,840 ♪ We're taking over ♪ 1247 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,280 ♪ We have the truth ♪ 1248 01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,680 ♪ This is a mission ♪ 1249 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,840 ♪ To see it through ♪ 1250 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,800 ♪ Don't point your finger ♪ 1251 01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,720 ♪ Not dangerous ♪ 1252 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,800 ♪ This is my planet ♪ 1253 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,320 ♪ You're one of us ♪ 1254 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,560 ♪ We're sending out ♪ 1255 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,440 ♪ A major love ♪ 1256 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,720 ♪ And this is our ♪ 1257 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,320 ♪ - Message to you ♪ ♪ - Message to you ♪ 1258 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,720 ♪ The planets are lining up ♪ 1259 01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,480 ♪ We're bringing brighter days ♪ 1260 01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:24,600 ♪ They're all in line ♪ 1261 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,160 ♪ Waiting for you ♪ 1262 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,480 ♪ You're just another part of me ♪ 1263 01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,000 ♪ Heee-heee ♪ 1264 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,680 ♪ Ow! ♪ 1265 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,280 ♪ Over the nation ♪ 1266 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,720 ♪ Fulfil the truth ♪ 1267 01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,760 ♪ The final message ♪ 1268 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,920 ♪ We're bringing to you ♪ 1269 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,880 ♪ There is no danger ♪ 1270 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,760 ♪ Fulfil the truth ♪ 1271 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,520 ♪ So come together ♪ 1272 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,600 ♪ We mean you ♪ 1273 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,080 ♪ I'm sending out ♪ 1274 01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,120 ♪ A major love ♪ 1275 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,040 ♪ And this is our ♪ 1276 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,640 ♪ - Message to you ♪ ♪ - Message to you ♪ 1277 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,440 ♪ The planets are lining up ♪ 1278 01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,760 ♪ We're bringing brighter days ♪ 1279 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,400 ♪ They're all in line ♪ 1280 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,900 ♪ Waiting for you ♪ 1281 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,720 ♪ They're just another part of me ♪ 1282 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,600 ♪ Heee-heee ♪ 1283 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,100 ♪ Ow! ♪ 1284 01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:24,400 ♪ Do-do-do-do ♪ 1285 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,800 ♪ Ow! ♪ 1286 01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,560 ♪ Hee-hee-hee! ♪ 1287 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,060 ♪ Hee-hee-hee! ♪ 1288 01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:56,200 ♪ I'm sending out ♪ 1289 01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,400 ♪ A major love ♪ 1290 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,320 ♪ And this is my ♪ 1291 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,640 ♪ - Message to you ♪ ♪ - Message to you ♪ 1292 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,720 ♪ The planets are lining up ♪ 1293 01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,880 ♪ We're bringing brighter days ♪ 1294 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,600 ♪ They're all in line ♪ 1295 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,160 ♪ Waiting for you ♪ 1296 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,400 ♪ They're just another part of me ♪ 1297 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,440 ♪ Hee-hee! ♪ 1298 01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:18,940 ♪ Ow! ♪ 1299 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,960 ♪ Another part of me ♪ 1300 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,360 ♪ We're taking over ♪ 1301 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,360 ♪ This is my plan, baby ♪ 1302 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,320 ♪ Hee-hee! ♪ 1303 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:43,820 ♪ Ow! ♪ 1304 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,040 ♪ Another part of me. ♪ 1305 01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:21,020 People forget that Michael Jackson's a soul singer. 1306 01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:23,100 Michael Jackson grew up watching Jackie Wilson, 1307 01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:25,220 - James Brown and the whole circuit, 1308 01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:29,140 - so his default move is always to go raw. 1309 01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:33,140 - I love Dirty Diana. That's probably one of my favourites. - Why? 1310 01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:37,180 Because it's a life story of a groupie, 1311 01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:40,180 - I hate to say the word groupie but that's what it is, 1312 01:18:40,180 --> 01:18:42,660 - and it's something that I've experienced- 1313 01:18:42,660 --> 01:18:45,100 - and a lot of people who grew up on the road. 1314 01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:47,220 Dirty Diana. 1315 01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:50,140 Who knew that one day I would live that song in real life- 1316 01:18:50,140 --> 01:18:52,180 - so many times over. 1317 01:18:52,180 --> 01:18:57,860 I like Dirty Diana. I've met her. I've met Dirty Diana many times. 1318 01:18:57,860 --> 01:18:59,620 Thank you. 1319 01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:02,620 Thank you, Michael, for making that small piece of the soundtrack- 1320 01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:04,380 - to my life on tour. 1321 01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:07,180 When we were kids, we thought, "Was he talking about Diana Ross? 1322 01:19:07,180 --> 01:19:08,940 "Did he have an affair with Diana Ross?" 1323 01:19:08,940 --> 01:19:10,500 No, that wasn't the case at all. 1324 01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:13,220 But as kids we didn't know what was going on. Who was Diana? 1325 01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:14,420 What she did dirty! 1326 01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:17,980 I got a phone call out of the clear blue from Quincy- 1327 01:19:17,980 --> 01:19:20,340 - and I thought somebody was fucking with me. 1328 01:19:20,340 --> 01:19:23,940 So he goes, "Um... it's Quincy Jones. 1329 01:19:23,940 --> 01:19:28,260 "We're working on Michael's follow-up to Thriller. We've got a rock track." 1330 01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:29,980 I'm not a session guitar player, man. 1331 01:19:29,980 --> 01:19:33,540 I don't, you know, I'm not that world. 1332 01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:36,980 So I said to Quincy, "The only thing I ask is that Michael- 1333 01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:38,740 - be in the studio and we work together." 1334 01:19:38,740 --> 01:19:42,860 He said, "Of course he'll be in the studio. It's his fucking record, man. 1335 01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:44,380 "He's going to be in the studio." 1336 01:19:44,380 --> 01:19:48,900 I opened up the studio door in Westlake and three guys, 1337 01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:52,260 - Bruce Swedien, the engineer, Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson, 1338 01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:55,700 - and the first thing I noticed was Michael had penny loafers on- 1339 01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:59,660 - and they were like pristine and I was like, 1340 01:19:59,660 --> 01:20:02,220 - "I'll be all right. He's wearing penny loafers." 1341 01:20:02,220 --> 01:20:05,380 This is the actual guitar that I recorded Dirty Diana with. 1342 01:20:05,380 --> 01:20:08,260 By and large, I'd say it's probably been in the case. 1343 01:20:08,260 --> 01:20:09,940 Maybe it's only been opened one time, 1344 01:20:09,940 --> 01:20:12,740 - I don't really play this kind of guitar that much. 1345 01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:15,740 The backing track was about eight minutes long- 1346 01:20:15,740 --> 01:20:17,180 - and as the track is playing down, 1347 01:20:17,180 --> 01:20:19,630 - Michael is like right here and he's going... 1348 01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:27,940 And he was really adamant there's that little space- 1349 01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:30,300 - on the third phrase, it's a subtle thing- 1350 01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:32,300 - and I didn't catch it right away. 1351 01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:35,700 That little thing was- 1352 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:39,660 - so important to Michael, to catch that little space there. 1353 01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:44,180 I was like, "Why is he making such a big thing about it not playing?" 1354 01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:45,540 It's brilliant though. 1355 01:20:45,540 --> 01:20:48,780 It's as important what you don't play as what you do play. 1356 01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:52,020 ♪ Dirty Diana, nah ♪ 1357 01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:55,140 ♪ Dirty Diana, nah ♪ 1358 01:20:55,140 --> 01:20:59,060 ♪ Dirty Diana, no ♪ 1359 01:20:59,060 --> 01:21:01,940 ♪ Dirty Diana... ♪ 1360 01:21:01,940 --> 01:21:03,300 It's still good. 1361 01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:09,580 ♪ ..Dirty Diana, ♪ ♪ nah Dirty Diana, no... ♪ 1362 01:21:09,580 --> 01:21:12,140 We wanted to do Dirty Diana- 1363 01:21:12,140 --> 01:21:14,620 - and so both videos were to kind of change- 1364 01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:17,100 - the public's perception of who he was. 1365 01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,820 First one was to get him a girl and the second was to make him- 1366 01:21:19,820 --> 01:21:21,260 - a heavy metal kind of guy. 1367 01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:24,780 ♪ ...Diana! ♪ 1368 01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:27,540 ♪ Diana...! ♪ 1369 01:21:27,540 --> 01:21:29,820 The original idea was to have... 1370 01:21:29,820 --> 01:21:33,100 The thing finished in a monsoon or a rainstorm. 1371 01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:36,500 The second day, we were going to have the whole stage blow away- 1372 01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:40,260 - and have him finish in the rain totally... 1373 01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:41,820 The wind and rain and stuff, 1374 01:21:41,820 --> 01:21:44,740 - and I think we were going to sweep away the audience and everything. 1375 01:21:44,740 --> 01:21:49,300 But the first day he was doing these knee slides and didn't put pads on. 1376 01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:52,740 He came to me the second day when we were ready for all this rain stuff- 1377 01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:54,420 - and said, "I can't dance any more." 1378 01:21:54,420 --> 01:21:56,900 So we couldn't resolve it that way, but it didn't matter. 1379 01:21:56,900 --> 01:21:58,740 You see the wind and stuff on the first day, 1380 01:21:58,740 --> 01:22:02,020 - it starts, and I guess there was going to be a deluge after that. 1381 01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:04,020 They didn't even tell me that- 1382 01:22:08,620 --> 01:22:12,300 - It showed up one day and I went, "I can't... Are you kidding?" 1383 01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:15,820 Michael always was able to think outside the box of what- 1384 01:22:15,820 --> 01:22:19,620 - black artists were supposed to do and create his own space. 1385 01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:24,260 There was this internal mechanism that Michael had when he felt- 1386 01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:28,260 - the music. When the rhythms were right and when the beats were- 1387 01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:33,940 - happening, when the correct emphasis was happening and the syncopation, 1388 01:22:33,940 --> 01:22:38,420 - he'd have to move, he'd have to dance and when he'd start to dance, 1389 01:22:38,420 --> 01:22:42,540 - we would know that the balance was correct, the elements had- 1390 01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:45,940 - the right character, the syncopation was hitting in the right fashion. 1391 01:22:45,940 --> 01:22:48,540 Michael gave me the music and he said, "Listen, 1392 01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:53,820 - "don't impose your opinion, or your feelings, or your choreography, 1393 01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:55,660 - or your thoughts on the music." 1394 01:22:55,660 --> 01:22:58,420 "Let the music talk to you and tell you what it wants to be." 1395 01:22:58,420 --> 01:23:02,900 First time we discussed it, he had got these- 1396 01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:05,420 - visions in his mind of what he wanted to do. 1397 01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:09,860 The robot, the car, the kids, the drugs. 1398 01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:12,740 Every kid in this whole world can take drugs because of me. 1399 01:23:12,740 --> 01:23:16,460 And how do we bring it all together into a story that had- 1400 01:23:16,460 --> 01:23:18,740 - a piece in the middle, which was the song and dance. 1401 01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:22,260 So we started working on some stuff, it was called Chicago Nights, 1402 01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:24,140 - which was really Smooth Criminal. 1403 01:23:24,140 --> 01:23:28,980 He was a huge fan of Fred Astaire and wanted to make sure- 1404 01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:33,780 - that he paid homage to Fred Astaire in the movie. 1405 01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:37,460 "For Criminal Dance, look at all the great dances on tape. 1406 01:23:37,460 --> 01:23:40,700 Study the great and become greater. 1407 01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:43,660 Get all Bob Fosse movie, dances. 1408 01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:48,580 Study these inside out, knowing every cut, move, music etc. 1409 01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:53,380 Flashdance, All That Jazz, Band Wagon, girl hunt..." 1410 01:24:42,140 --> 01:24:46,180 This is a drawing titled "Criminal Jacket," 1411 01:24:46,180 --> 01:24:49,700 - and you can see that he has created the basic outline for the jacket- 1412 01:24:49,700 --> 01:24:54,740 - that he wound up wearing in that short film, including the armband. 1413 01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:59,860 And he also made a note to himself that he needed to- 1414 01:24:59,860 --> 01:25:03,460 - get his Kenny shoes now so that he could break them in. 1415 01:25:03,460 --> 01:25:07,860 But when it came to style, I showed Michael an all-time favourite- 1416 01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:11,260 - of mine which was The Third Man, because it's sort of gangster-ish. 1417 01:25:11,260 --> 01:25:13,860 "We should shoot it in that kind of style," 1418 01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:15,700 - and he just loved that style. 1419 01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:18,220 And making use of the shadows that they had with that- 1420 01:25:18,220 --> 01:25:19,900 - sort of film noir look. 1421 01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:44,260 ♪ As he came into the window ♪ ♪ It was the sound of a crescendo ♪ 1422 01:25:44,260 --> 01:25:46,140 ♪ He came into her apartment ♪ 1423 01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:48,740 ♪ He left the bloodstains on the carpet ♪ 1424 01:25:48,740 --> 01:25:52,740 ♪ She ran underneath the table ♪ ♪ He could see she was unable ♪ 1425 01:25:52,740 --> 01:25:54,580 ♪ So she ran into the bedroom ♪ 1426 01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:57,060 ♪ She was struck down ♪ ♪ It was her doom... ♪ 1427 01:25:57,060 --> 01:26:00,700 There's a story actually that Quincy told me years ago- 1428 01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:04,300 - and what he said was that Michael had the ability to come in, he could- 1429 01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:08,740 - lay down the lead vocal of a track and then he could sit there, listen, 1430 01:26:08,740 --> 01:26:13,060 - just put the time in and figure out where all the harmonies should go- 1431 01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:18,980 - and then do that, not leave until he had the harmonies right. 1432 01:26:18,980 --> 01:26:22,580 When I think of Smooth Criminal, I will just impress again the vocal. 1433 01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:25,500 He could sing bass, baritone and tenor, 1434 01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:27,540 - but he chose to sing mostly tenor. 1435 01:26:27,540 --> 01:26:31,380 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. ♪ 1436 01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:35,740 He goes straight down to bass low C, that is low, that is a bust out- 1437 01:26:35,740 --> 01:26:40,180 - pitch and Michael would go right on down there with vibrato- 1438 01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:43,140 - and clear up to a G above high C. 1439 01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:46,780 I mean, that's enormous, that's more than three and a half octaves. 1440 01:26:46,780 --> 01:26:50,740 He really didn't want to grow up. He wanted a child's voice- 1441 01:26:50,740 --> 01:26:54,740 - and I always tried to encourage him to use his beautiful speaking voice. 1442 01:26:54,740 --> 01:26:57,780 I was in Europe one time and the phone rang and he said, 1443 01:26:57,780 --> 01:27:02,020 - "Hello," in a perfectly male voice, baritone and I said, 1444 01:27:02,020 --> 01:27:04,660 - "Michael, why don't you use that." 1445 01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:08,300 He said, "I don't like it down there. I like it up there." 1446 01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:10,420 ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah... ♪ 1447 01:27:11,780 --> 01:27:13,900 How long you want to stick with this? 1448 01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:15,980 I want to be all the way open. 1449 01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:17,940 With some of the songs that he was singing, 1450 01:27:17,940 --> 01:27:21,420 - he needed a much wider vocal range and with the exercises that- 1451 01:27:21,420 --> 01:27:26,060 - Seth Riggs provides for him, it enabled- 1452 01:27:26,060 --> 01:27:30,500 - him to open up his range so he can sing much higher and much lower. 1453 01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:33,260 ♪ Mah, mah, mah, mah, mah... ♪ 1454 01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:35,860 I had to make sure he and his voice- 1455 01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:38,100 - was even from bottom to top. 1456 01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,340 I have some very strange exercises- 1457 01:27:40,340 --> 01:27:42,900 - that are different from most people's, 1458 01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:45,420 - they're called speech-level singing, 1459 01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:47,700 - so we started doing these crazy things. 1460 01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:48,980 ♪ Brrr-brrr-brrr... ♪ 1461 01:27:48,980 --> 01:27:52,460 ♪ Brrr-brrr-brrr... ♪ 1462 01:27:52,460 --> 01:27:54,060 ♪ Rrr-rrr-rrr... ♪ 1463 01:27:54,060 --> 01:27:57,380 ♪ Rrr-rrr-rrr... ♪ 1464 01:27:57,380 --> 01:27:59,740 ♪ Gee, gee, gee, gee, gee, gee... ♪ 1465 01:27:59,740 --> 01:28:03,580 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh... ♪ 1466 01:28:03,580 --> 01:28:04,740 Sometimes there is... 1467 01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:07,300 ♪ Ahhhhh... ♪ 1468 01:28:10,580 --> 01:28:13,460 I sampled P.Y.T for Good Life. 1469 01:28:13,460 --> 01:28:15,540 I actually met him at Leo's house. 1470 01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:17,100 He said he liked my voice and then- 1471 01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:18,660 - I think I took that too seriously- 1472 01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:21,460 - and I did a whole singing album. 1473 01:28:21,460 --> 01:28:27,540 This is the mic that are used on Michael at about this distance- 1474 01:28:27,540 --> 01:28:30,700 - through for all the recordings. 1475 01:28:30,700 --> 01:28:33,300 Except one, Earth Song. 1476 01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:36,460 ♪ - What about yesterday? ♪ ♪ - What about us? ♪ 1477 01:28:36,460 --> 01:28:40,100 ♪ - What about the seas? ♪ ♪ - What about us? ♪ 1478 01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:43,820 This is actually a mic that is designed for narration recording, 1479 01:28:43,820 --> 01:28:49,100 - however, I knew that the sound of this mic would work- 1480 01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:51,100 - well with Michael's voice. 1481 01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:52,620 ♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪ 1482 01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:55,420 ♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪ ♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪ 1483 01:28:55,420 --> 01:28:58,300 ♪ Annie, are you OK? Annie, are you OK? ♪ 1484 01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:59,780 ♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪ 1485 01:28:59,780 --> 01:29:04,340 I've never quite understood who Annie was and why did it matter- 1486 01:29:04,340 --> 01:29:05,540 - if she was OK or not. 1487 01:29:05,540 --> 01:29:09,020 Who is Annie? I never knew that as a kid. Let me know who Annie is. 1488 01:29:09,020 --> 01:29:14,140 Over in this corner there was a green fibreglass case- 1489 01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:17,660 - and there was a CPR dummy in the case. 1490 01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:20,300 Michael had been given CPR lessons. 1491 01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:24,180 The first thing that you do when you're going to administer CPR- 1492 01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:27,860 - is you make a determination of the condition of the victim. 1493 01:29:27,860 --> 01:29:31,780 He's about to do CPR on someone, he's like, "Are you OK? Are you OK?" 1494 01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:36,300 Wow! Whose life did he think he was going to have to save? 1495 01:29:37,820 --> 01:29:40,260 CPR dummies are all named Annie. 1496 01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:42,700 He just kept asking was Annie OK? 1497 01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:45,580 How many different ways can you say, "Annie, are you OK?" 1498 01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:48,540 And he found like 15 different ways to say, "Annie, are you OK?" 1499 01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:53,620 It's like, "Are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK, Annie? 1500 01:29:53,620 --> 01:29:58,980 "Annie, are you OK? Are you OK? Are you OK, Annie? Annie, are you OK?" 1501 01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:01,420 It's like, OK, I don't think she's OK. 1502 01:30:01,420 --> 01:30:04,820 I've got to be honest, I was never a big fan of that song. 1503 01:30:04,820 --> 01:30:07,500 You know, Michael loved it to pieces. 1504 01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:11,620 I remember we went to do the video on that, I never heard... 1505 01:30:11,620 --> 01:30:16,380 It must have then 135 decibels. Loud! Man, ears were falling off. 1506 01:30:22,260 --> 01:30:25,100 We started with maybe like 10 or 12 dancers and he then- 1507 01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:28,380 - introduced me to Jeffrey and he said, "I'd like Jeffrey to be- 1508 01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:31,700 - part of this and maybe there's some street stuff, because I've been- 1509 01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:34,980 - working with Jeffrey privately and he is teaching me some staff." 1510 01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:37,460 The thing about it is Michael can go out to clubs and hang out- 1511 01:30:37,460 --> 01:30:39,220 - because he's Michael Jackson. 1512 01:30:39,220 --> 01:30:43,100 So through me he was picking up what was happening in the hood- 1513 01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:46,380 - and I'm taking it to his gallery over at the Jackson house in Hayvenhurst. 1514 01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:47,540 My name is Phyllis Brooks- 1515 01:30:47,540 --> 01:30:50,380 - and I want to direct my question to all you guys. 1516 01:30:50,380 --> 01:30:52,620 Who taught you guys your dance steps? 1517 01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:58,780 ♪ She's gonna really blow your mind... ♪ 1518 01:31:13,740 --> 01:31:18,060 This one guy I saw on the show, Don Campbell, he changed my life. 1519 01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:19,740 He did not dance like everybody else, 1520 01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:21,660 - he didn't move like everybody else, he was- 1521 01:31:21,660 --> 01:31:26,140 - just walking to the beat, walking. Walking. Walking. 1522 01:31:26,140 --> 01:31:30,020 Jump up, stop, stick out his own hand, give him some five, 1523 01:31:30,020 --> 01:31:32,100 - hunch his shoulders, point it, pop. 1524 01:31:34,940 --> 01:31:36,180 And that was locking. 1525 01:31:36,180 --> 01:31:39,020 You could see Michael doing like... 1526 01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:43,180 You could see him doing those... 1527 01:31:43,180 --> 01:31:46,140 He's putting this locking in his... 1528 01:31:46,140 --> 01:31:49,420 He was just incorporating little things into his... 1529 01:31:49,420 --> 01:31:51,340 Stepping like that, you know. 1530 01:31:51,340 --> 01:31:54,260 Funky chicken, that's the funky chicken, 1531 01:31:54,260 --> 01:31:56,700 - so these dances came from Soul Train too. 1532 01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:58,260 Michael Jackson, he loves it, 1533 01:31:58,260 --> 01:32:00,500 - he loves the locking, he loves the popping. 1534 01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:05,900 When you see him on stage and he is ticking, 1535 01:32:05,900 --> 01:32:10,100 - Michael is deep into the urban contemporary dance because I don't- 1536 01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:13,150 - call it street dance no more. It left the streets years ago. 1537 01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:22,020 I'd created movement for Michael from his passage in to his passage out. 1538 01:32:45,220 --> 01:32:47,940 There were a couple of places where I said, "OK, you know, Jeffrey, 1539 01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:50,620 "why don't you do this? When he comes around the pool table, 1540 01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:53,920 - "I'd love you to do something here and make this work over here." 1541 01:33:01,580 --> 01:33:03,740 I'd got this from a Bugs Bunny cartoon. 1542 01:33:03,740 --> 01:33:05,580 These gangsters with these gangster hats- 1543 01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:08,300 - and they are all bouncing like this, coming. 1544 01:33:08,300 --> 01:33:11,540 I was just trying to capture that kind of animated thing. 1545 01:33:11,540 --> 01:33:15,340 OK, here we go, same thing. Boom, boom. 1546 01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:20,100 And again right after the hat, I think it's the hand. Boom, boom. 1547 01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:21,700 Bang! 1548 01:33:21,700 --> 01:33:23,620 Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba! 1549 01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:24,900 Bang, bang, boom! 1550 01:33:24,900 --> 01:33:26,420 Some of the moves they did... 1551 01:33:26,420 --> 01:33:29,740 Maybe you'll find out. I still don't know how they did that thing. 1552 01:33:35,020 --> 01:33:38,660 The whole thing with the lean, I had done the lean- 1553 01:33:38,660 --> 01:33:41,960 - in a Paul McCartney movie called Give My Regards To Broad Street. 1554 01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:51,620 When I'm on the plane, when we take private jets, 1555 01:33:51,620 --> 01:33:53,340 - we always, when it's taking off, 1556 01:33:53,340 --> 01:33:56,140 - we lean forward to try to do the same move as Michael, 1557 01:33:56,140 --> 01:33:58,020 - so it kind of looks the same! 1558 01:33:58,020 --> 01:34:01,620 So what, you want to know how it was done? 1559 01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:03,380 Even to this day, 1560 01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:07,020 - I will reference the Smooth Criminal lean... 1561 01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:10,940 ...and people instantly know what I'm talking about. 1562 01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:14,300 There was a break in Smooth Criminal that was never supposed to be there. 1563 01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:15,940 The music breaks down. 1564 01:34:15,940 --> 01:34:18,620 Everything gets cool. 1565 01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:22,460 They show a cat walking across the piano, the lights go blue. 1566 01:34:22,460 --> 01:34:23,980 We did not know about this. 1567 01:34:23,980 --> 01:34:25,580 Ssh! 1568 01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:42,820 - Oh! O-o-oh! - O-o-o-oh! 1569 01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:45,900 For that break in the middle, 1570 01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:48,780 - he just wanted to let the dancers feel the set. 1571 01:34:48,780 --> 01:34:51,700 I mean, we'd been shooting for quite a while by then, 1572 01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:54,860 - and he just said, you know, "I don't want anything to disturb us," 1573 01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:58,460 - and I said, I was shooting five cameras at the time, 1574 01:34:58,460 --> 01:35:00,300 - plus Jerry had five cameras, 1575 01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:02,020 - so it was ten cameras shooting- 1576 01:35:02,020 --> 01:35:05,340 - and you know, we didn't know how long it was going to go on for. 1577 01:35:06,620 --> 01:35:09,500 Annie, are OK? Are you OK, Annie? 1578 01:35:09,500 --> 01:35:13,220 Annie, are you OK? So Annie, are you OK? Are you OK, Annie? 1579 01:35:13,220 --> 01:35:16,780 Annie, are you OK? So Annie, are you OK? 1580 01:35:16,780 --> 01:35:17,940 Are you OK, Annie? 1581 01:35:17,940 --> 01:35:21,580 Annie, are you OK? So Annie, are you OK? Are you OK, Annie? 1582 01:35:21,580 --> 01:35:23,260 Annie, are you OK? So, Annie... 1583 01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:38,260 A lot of the songs he writes about being observed, 1584 01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:40,820 - either from the point of view of, he's the object- 1585 01:35:40,820 --> 01:35:45,340 - or that he becomes the person looking at someone like him, 1586 01:35:45,340 --> 01:35:46,900 - or the objective person. 1587 01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:49,100 ♪ Are you OK? ♪ ♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪ 1588 01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:51,700 ♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪ ♪ So Annie, are you OK? ♪ 1589 01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:53,020 ♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪ 1590 01:35:53,020 --> 01:35:55,660 ♪ Annie, are you OK? ♪ ♪ So Annie, are you OK? ♪ 1591 01:35:55,660 --> 01:35:58,780 ♪ Are you OK, Annie? ♪ ♪ You've been hit by... ♪ 1592 01:35:58,780 --> 01:36:00,900 For someone who grew up in the spotlight, 1593 01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:03,780 - being watched is a very big part of how you see the world. 1594 01:36:03,780 --> 01:36:05,740 This is a guy who- 1595 01:36:05,740 --> 01:36:08,260 - was never not in the newspapers- 1596 01:36:08,260 --> 01:36:09,740 - every single day- 1597 01:36:09,740 --> 01:36:11,620 - being ridiculed, "Wacko Jacko," 1598 01:36:11,620 --> 01:36:13,940 I mean, he's a kid - on the inside, he's a kid. 1599 01:36:13,940 --> 01:36:17,660 How that stuff doesn't penetrate you and hurt you, hurt your spirit. 1600 01:36:17,660 --> 01:36:20,500 "Michael Jackson's got a shrine to Elizabeth Taylor. 1601 01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:23,940 "He's got an amusement park. He's had a lot of facial surgery," 1602 01:36:23,940 --> 01:36:27,220 - so I said, "Michael, when you're in the school yard- 1603 01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:29,620 - and you are the smallest and you get teased a lot, 1604 01:36:29,620 --> 01:36:32,380 - it's really only fun to tease you if it bothers you. 1605 01:36:32,380 --> 01:36:35,460 "If it doesn't bother you, they move on, 1606 01:36:35,460 --> 01:36:39,700 - so why don't we just take all this crap being said about you- 1607 01:36:39,700 --> 01:36:43,100 - and why don't we say at? Why don't we put it to visuals?" 1608 01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:47,460 Leave Me Alone - it was a lot of fun to play that. It had that intro. 1609 01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:56,140 But there was also a string part- 1610 01:36:56,140 --> 01:36:59,380 - that kind of played the same thing but was just accenting that... 1611 01:36:59,380 --> 01:37:02,100 And he was just kind of saying, "Dig in," you know. 1612 01:37:03,540 --> 01:37:06,580 I remember him standing right next to me, going... 1613 01:37:10,740 --> 01:37:13,300 See, a lot of people that misunderstand me, 1614 01:37:13,300 --> 01:37:16,060 - it's because they don't know me. 1615 01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:18,140 I guess that's true. 1616 01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:21,420 People probably have a lot of crazy stories they read. 1617 01:37:21,420 --> 01:37:23,500 You ever want to lash out in any type of way- 1618 01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:25,860 - and say, "Hey, that's not true"? 1619 01:37:25,860 --> 01:37:27,420 Yeah, a lot of times. 1620 01:37:27,420 --> 01:37:30,060 ♪ I don't care what ♪ ♪ you talking about, baby, ♪ 1621 01:37:30,060 --> 01:37:33,180 ♪ I don't care what you think... ♪ 1622 01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:34,900 You can see, you know, 1623 01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:38,140 - how he's starting to feel like he's a spectacle. 1624 01:37:38,140 --> 01:37:40,540 In the video, he's tied down. 1625 01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:43,180 It's inspired by Gulliver's Travels- 1626 01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:45,780 - and he's tied under a roller coaster- 1627 01:37:45,780 --> 01:37:48,100 - and you see these dogs with corporate suits, 1628 01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:51,180 - banging the pegs, trying to tie him down- 1629 01:37:51,180 --> 01:37:53,780 - in this big kind of amusement park setting. 1630 01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:58,180 I only got a glimpse of what his life must have been like- 1631 01:37:58,180 --> 01:38:00,060 - when I would be in Europe- 1632 01:38:00,060 --> 01:38:02,540 - and our limousines would be attacked by mobs, 1633 01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:05,500 - with them thinking that Michael was in our limousine- 1634 01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:10,180 - and if that's your initial introduction to the universe, 1635 01:38:10,180 --> 01:38:12,420 - when you're a five-year-old, 1636 01:38:12,420 --> 01:38:17,140 - then that has got to inform what you feel like the world is like. 1637 01:38:17,140 --> 01:38:19,060 I'm waiting for Michael, and a guy comes up- 1638 01:38:19,060 --> 01:38:21,940 - and I don't see Michael. He goes, "Hi, Jeffrey, how you doing?" 1639 01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:24,220 "All right." He says, "Are you ready to start?" 1640 01:38:24,220 --> 01:38:26,180 I go, "Yeah," but I'm not looking at Michael. 1641 01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:27,980 I'm looking at these bushy eyebrows, 1642 01:38:27,980 --> 01:38:32,020 - a short Afro wig and these sideburns and this make-up on. 1643 01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:34,340 Michael had been out going door-to-door- 1644 01:38:34,340 --> 01:38:36,700 - for his Jehovah's Witnesses. He put on a disguise, 1645 01:38:36,700 --> 01:38:39,820 - so people wouldn't know Michael Jackson was knocking on their door. 1646 01:38:39,820 --> 01:38:42,340 I'm sure some people were slamming the door in his face, 1647 01:38:42,340 --> 01:38:44,420 - like, "Jehovah's Witness, get out of here!" 1648 01:38:44,420 --> 01:38:46,900 Sometimes I want to sneak into places- 1649 01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:50,660 - and not have any hoopla or, you know... 1650 01:38:50,660 --> 01:38:53,580 ...and it doesn't work all the time. 1651 01:38:53,580 --> 01:38:55,180 I went to the shrine auditorium- 1652 01:38:55,180 --> 01:38:57,660 - and a guy tapped me on the back- 1653 01:38:57,660 --> 01:39:01,340 - and I turned around and it was an old man. 1654 01:39:01,340 --> 01:39:04,260 I said, "What is this?" He said, "It's Michael!" 1655 01:39:04,260 --> 01:39:07,500 I said, "Man, you scared the mess out of me!" 1656 01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:09,380 I have incredible disguises. 1657 01:39:09,380 --> 01:39:12,100 I can fool my own mother- 1658 01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:14,700 - and I enjoy doing it- 1659 01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:17,900 - because I get to see life the way it really is sometimes. 1660 01:39:17,900 --> 01:39:20,700 One day, he said, "You know, my brothers are in town- 1661 01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:24,420 - "so I'm going to see them tonight." I said, "That's cool, all right." 1662 01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:26,300 So the next day I came onto the set- 1663 01:39:26,300 --> 01:39:29,380 - and Michael goes, "Yeah, I waited for my brothers all night. 1664 01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:32,620 "I fixed my hair and everything but they didn't show up." 1665 01:39:34,060 --> 01:39:37,140 Sorry this bothers me, 1666 01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:40,980 - but he said, "I would give anything just to be able to go to a party- 1667 01:39:40,980 --> 01:39:43,220 - and stand in a corner somewhere, 1668 01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:46,580 - stand behind a curtain and put my head out and be able to see- 1669 01:39:46,580 --> 01:39:49,740 - what it's like for real people to just be real people." 1670 01:39:49,740 --> 01:39:53,180 ♪ The choice that we make ♪ ♪ and the choice you will take ♪ 1671 01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:55,980 ♪ Who's laughing, baby? ♪ 1672 01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:58,380 ♪ Just leave me alone ♪ 1673 01:39:58,380 --> 01:40:00,460 ♪ Leave me alone! ♪ ♪ Leave me alone... ♪ 1674 01:40:00,460 --> 01:40:02,220 When you see that film, 1675 01:40:02,220 --> 01:40:03,580 - with all of those images, 1676 01:40:03,580 --> 01:40:05,660 - every image that you see of Michael- 1677 01:40:05,660 --> 01:40:07,980 - started out as 35mm movie film, 1678 01:40:07,980 --> 01:40:11,980 - which then turned into a stack of photo prints this tall, 1679 01:40:11,980 --> 01:40:16,500 - which people sat around for two weeks, cutting out. 1680 01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:20,180 There was one guy whose job was just cutting out Michael's hair. 1681 01:40:20,180 --> 01:40:25,380 The Charlie Chaplin ball and chain idea was Michael's. 1682 01:40:25,380 --> 01:40:26,860 We knew we had a sequence where- 1683 01:40:26,860 --> 01:40:29,900 - we wanted to have a dance sequence with the Elephant Man's bones, 1684 01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:33,460 - and so Michael showed up the day of the shoot with that piece. 1685 01:40:35,540 --> 01:40:40,540 Leave Me Alone was extremely ahead of its time. 1686 01:40:41,700 --> 01:40:45,220 Leave Me Alone was my favourite video and song off that album. 1687 01:40:45,220 --> 01:40:47,660 Just, even the amusement park setup- 1688 01:40:47,660 --> 01:40:50,220 - and the way they chop the graphics up. 1689 01:40:50,220 --> 01:40:53,940 There is nothing that compares to that, even to this day, 1690 01:40:53,940 --> 01:40:55,540 - as far as visuals go. 1691 01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:59,260 Michael's quest for creative independence, 1692 01:40:59,260 --> 01:41:01,820 - which started when he and his brothers left Motown, 1693 01:41:01,820 --> 01:41:04,860 - continued through Off The Wall and Thriller, 1694 01:41:04,860 --> 01:41:07,760 - reached a high point with the Bad album and the Bad tour. 1695 01:41:08,380 --> 01:41:09,740 He didn't tour with Thriller, 1696 01:41:09,740 --> 01:41:12,060 - and then with Bad, he finally had an opportunity- 1697 01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:14,060 - to create the kind of show he wanted to create, 1698 01:41:14,060 --> 01:41:16,460 - the kind of show that¨ represented him as a solo artist. 1699 01:41:16,460 --> 01:41:18,540 It was Michael's first solo tour- 1700 01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:22,620 - and in fact, it was the only tour in the US that Michael ever conducted. 1701 01:41:22,620 --> 01:41:24,740 What a night! What a crowd, 1702 01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:26,260 - what a gig, what a venue. 1703 01:41:26,260 --> 01:41:28,420 Who'd have thought Wembley Stadium, 1704 01:41:28,420 --> 01:41:31,380 - the home of Live Aid, the home of Nelson Mandela- 1705 01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:34,420 - and now, the home of the king of it all! 1706 01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:37,540 It's a gruelling tour. 1707 01:41:37,540 --> 01:41:41,780 It starts in September 1987 and goes until January 1989. 1708 01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:44,660 He did 15 different countries, 1709 01:41:44,660 --> 01:41:46,700 - 123 different shows, 1710 01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:50,140 - and it proved to be one of the most successful concert tours in history. 1711 01:41:50,140 --> 01:41:53,820 The Bad world tour set three Guinness Book of World Records. 1712 01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:56,660 One was the highest grossing tour of all time, 1713 01:41:56,660 --> 01:41:59,420 - the most attended tour in history- 1714 01:41:59,420 --> 01:42:02,100 - and then, the shows that he did at Wembley in London- 1715 01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:06,020 - were the most consecutive shows an artist had ever sold out in history. 1716 01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:07,940 The tour generated a lot of income- 1717 01:42:07,940 --> 01:42:10,500 - and Michael Jackson donated a lot of that income- 1718 01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:12,100 - to charities of his choice. 1719 01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:14,980 We're making a very, very large contribution- 1720 01:42:14,980 --> 01:42:16,300 - to the Prince's Trust fund- 1721 01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:18,900 - and it will go to the Ormond Street Hospital. 1722 01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:21,100 Camp Goodtimes, Ronald McDonald House... 1723 01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:22,740 The United Negro College Fund- 1724 01:42:22,740 --> 01:42:25,740 - and the Burns Center, the Michael Jackson Burns Center. 1725 01:42:25,740 --> 01:42:27,240 I love you! 1726 01:42:37,940 --> 01:42:41,380 This is hard, um... 1727 01:42:41,380 --> 01:42:45,540 My brother, the legendary King Of Pop, Michael Jackson, 1728 01:42:45,540 --> 01:42:48,460 - passed away on Thursday, June 25, 1729 01:42:48,460 --> 01:42:52,300 - 2009 at 2.26pm. 1730 01:42:52,300 --> 01:42:53,940 I... 1731 01:42:53,940 --> 01:42:59,180 ...had performed about a year or so before then in Australia, 1732 01:42:59,180 --> 01:43:01,620 - and I remember having this dream- 1733 01:43:01,620 --> 01:43:04,980 - that I was listening to the radio and... 1734 01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:08,820 ...on the radio came that Michael Jackson had died. 1735 01:43:08,820 --> 01:43:11,820 Then I woke up, you know, sweating and nervous- 1736 01:43:11,820 --> 01:43:13,140 - and just really going crazy. 1737 01:43:13,140 --> 01:43:15,740 Where were you when you heard Michael died? 1738 01:43:15,740 --> 01:43:18,140 Um, I was in Montreal. 1739 01:43:18,140 --> 01:43:21,140 I was directing a project for Cirque du Soleil. 1740 01:43:21,140 --> 01:43:25,020 I was sitting here in this chair in this room. 1741 01:43:25,020 --> 01:43:26,700 I was in Savannah, Georgia. 1742 01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:28,500 I was at my own studio. 1743 01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:30,620 When he died, I was supposed to go meet him. 1744 01:43:30,620 --> 01:43:32,700 I was supposed to see him at the Staples Centre. 1745 01:43:32,700 --> 01:43:34,660 I think I was in a car. 1746 01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:36,540 I was actually driving in the car. 1747 01:43:36,540 --> 01:43:38,300 I know I was home that day. 1748 01:43:38,300 --> 01:43:39,800 So I turned on the radio. 1749 01:43:41,020 --> 01:43:42,300 Then I hear... 1750 01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:45,380 I was on a radio promo tour and I was just in the car, 1751 01:43:45,380 --> 01:43:47,220 - going to my next radio station. 1752 01:43:47,220 --> 01:43:48,420 I was on the set. 1753 01:43:48,420 --> 01:43:52,980 I was shooting... um, Boardwalk Empire. 1754 01:43:52,980 --> 01:43:56,300 At my job, Late Night With Jimmy Fallon. 1755 01:43:56,300 --> 01:44:00,180 I was in London, going to get some bottled water from the store. 1756 01:44:00,180 --> 01:44:01,500 I was at my house in L.A. 1757 01:44:01,500 --> 01:44:05,820 Los Angeles. No, no, no. I was in Panama. 1758 01:44:05,820 --> 01:44:07,780 I was actually working. 1759 01:44:07,780 --> 01:44:12,900 I had a Blackberry I picked up in Moscow and the person said, 1760 01:44:12,900 --> 01:44:14,300 - "He's gone." 1761 01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:22,100 Wow. I was in Sony when I heard Michael Jackson passed. 1762 01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:26,580 I was in my office, having an audition with some artists. 1763 01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:28,820 My doorman said to me, 1764 01:44:28,820 --> 01:44:31,060 - "Mrs Robinson, Michael Jackson died". 1765 01:44:31,060 --> 01:44:34,860 Actually, my security guard at that time came in and told me that- 1766 01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:36,940 - and he's just wrong all the time. 1767 01:44:36,940 --> 01:44:39,260 I just didn't buy into it for one second. 1768 01:44:39,260 --> 01:44:42,260 I couldn't believe it and there was nothing on the news up there, 1769 01:44:42,260 --> 01:44:43,820 - telling me that this was true. 1770 01:44:43,820 --> 01:44:46,300 I said, "What? Come on... Don't listen to that." 1771 01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:47,420 I didn't believe it. 1772 01:44:47,420 --> 01:44:48,580 It just didn't seem real. 1773 01:44:48,580 --> 01:44:50,900 I thought it was... a lie. 1774 01:44:50,900 --> 01:44:51,940 I couldn't believe it. 1775 01:44:51,940 --> 01:44:54,060 People must've called, I must've gotten 50 calls. 1776 01:44:54,060 --> 01:44:57,660 Don't call me and tell me that! 1777 01:44:57,660 --> 01:44:59,340 Because it's not true! 1778 01:44:59,340 --> 01:45:00,940 I think I started crying on the spot. 1779 01:45:00,940 --> 01:45:03,020 I couldn't even breathe, man. 1780 01:45:03,020 --> 01:45:05,900 I couldn't even breathe, I just collapsed right there on the ground. 1781 01:45:05,900 --> 01:45:07,940 We all kind of stayed in a daze. 1782 01:45:07,940 --> 01:45:09,820 Everything just became a blur. 1783 01:45:12,380 --> 01:45:16,420 I immediately called my friend Bruce Swedien... 1784 01:45:16,420 --> 01:45:18,340 ...and he was in shock as well. 1785 01:45:18,340 --> 01:45:21,060 Everything stopped. Couldn't do anything. 1786 01:45:39,980 --> 01:45:41,480 Sorry. 1787 01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:46,940 It was like... 1788 01:45:48,860 --> 01:45:50,360 Sorry. 1789 01:45:52,900 --> 01:45:55,060 Sorry, man. I... 1790 01:45:55,060 --> 01:45:57,340 ...I really loved the guy. 1791 01:46:18,140 --> 01:46:20,060 I miss his hugs. 1792 01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:23,380 Just his friendship. 1793 01:46:23,380 --> 01:46:25,740 Um... 1794 01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:28,100 Just being around him. 1795 01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:29,780 Uh... 1796 01:46:29,780 --> 01:46:31,900 Just to know he's around. 1797 01:46:31,900 --> 01:46:34,940 And I had just seen Berry Gordy several days earlier- 1798 01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:40,060 - and we sat at the Mandarin Oriental hotel and we were just talking- 1799 01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:44,740 - and I said, "Think Michael's going to do those shows in London?" 1800 01:46:44,740 --> 01:46:46,300 And he went, "I don't know." 1801 01:46:46,300 --> 01:46:50,540 I, er, was at the funeral, and I sang... 1802 01:46:50,540 --> 01:46:53,380 I've never sung at a funeral before, ever. 1803 01:46:53,380 --> 01:46:56,900 So, this is Michael Jackson's funeral, and they come in- 1804 01:46:56,900 --> 01:46:58,900 - and go, "Mariah, you're on first." 1805 01:46:58,900 --> 01:47:01,700 I Never Dreamed You'd Leave In Summer was a song that myself- 1806 01:47:01,700 --> 01:47:03,500 - and Syreeta Wright... 1807 01:47:03,500 --> 01:47:08,300 ...well, she was my first wife, Syreeta - wrote together. 1808 01:47:08,300 --> 01:47:14,380 When I sang it, at Michael's... homecoming service, 1809 01:47:14,380 --> 01:47:19,820 - I never, ever imagined that I would be outliving Michael Jackson. 1810 01:47:19,820 --> 01:47:20,940 Um... 1811 01:47:20,940 --> 01:47:22,220 ...It's very, very painful. 1812 01:47:22,220 --> 01:47:25,660 It's still unbelievable to me that he's actually dead- 1813 01:47:25,660 --> 01:47:30,140 - and we should all be ashamed. Each of us to a one. 1814 01:47:30,140 --> 01:47:32,780 And I don't know who to look at. 1815 01:47:32,780 --> 01:47:35,060 Michael said, I guess, look at the man in the mirror. 1816 01:47:35,060 --> 01:47:39,300 Just like when John Lennon died, people turned to Imagine, 1817 01:47:39,300 --> 01:47:42,450 - when Michael Jackson died, people turned to Man In The Mirror. 1818 01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:58,860 It really doesn't have that inspirational pop anthem on it, 1819 01:47:58,860 --> 01:48:02,100 - like Greatest Love of All, Whitney Houston, Saving All My Love For You, 1820 01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:05,740 - that kind of thing, and it's interesting that Bad does. 1821 01:48:05,740 --> 01:48:08,540 We kept talking about how nice it would be to get an anthem- 1822 01:48:08,540 --> 01:48:11,020 - that had a good feel to it, you know, just like- 1823 01:48:11,020 --> 01:48:12,460 - some sunshine on the world. 1824 01:48:12,460 --> 01:48:15,340 So he called a meeting with his West Coast songwriters, 1825 01:48:15,340 --> 01:48:16,780 - I think there were like, six of us. 1826 01:48:16,780 --> 01:48:18,780 He said he wanted something upbeat, 1827 01:48:18,780 --> 01:48:21,540 - he said he wanted something that felt good... 1828 01:48:21,540 --> 01:48:25,300 Whitney Houston's second solo album was storming the charts- 1829 01:48:25,300 --> 01:48:27,540 - and I think she provided a little bit of heat, 1830 01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:31,300 - and I think that the label was concerned about how to kind of- 1831 01:48:31,300 --> 01:48:35,220 - appeal to this audience that had gravitated to Whitney Houston. 1832 01:48:35,220 --> 01:48:38,620 Went to Glen Ballard's house, who was my writing partner at the time, 1833 01:48:38,620 --> 01:48:39,980 - I said, "This is what Quincy wants". 1834 01:48:39,980 --> 01:48:42,140 He said, "Well, let's just see what we come up with". 1835 01:48:42,140 --> 01:48:44,020 He stands up, goes over to the keyboard, 1836 01:48:44,020 --> 01:48:45,700 - turns on the keyboard- 1837 01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:47,980 - and starts playing... 1838 01:48:49,460 --> 01:48:52,180 So I'm flipping through my lyric book... 1839 01:48:52,180 --> 01:48:53,780 While he's playing these... 1840 01:48:53,780 --> 01:48:55,500 Just getting sounds on the keyboard. 1841 01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:58,820 Cut to two years before this meeting. 1842 01:48:58,820 --> 01:49:01,100 I'm writing with John Beasley, jazz pianist. 1843 01:49:01,100 --> 01:49:02,460 His phone rings, 1844 01:49:02,460 --> 01:49:06,180 - and he picked the phone up instead of letting the machine pick it up. 1845 01:49:06,180 --> 01:49:09,180 "Yeah, what's happening? I'm not doing nothing. 1846 01:49:09,180 --> 01:49:11,900 And I'm thinking, "He's doing something!" 1847 01:49:11,900 --> 01:49:13,580 And I'm flipping through my book, 1848 01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:16,180 - no, he didn't say he's not doing nothing. No, he didn't. 1849 01:49:16,180 --> 01:49:20,220 So I'm flipping through this book and I hear him say, "The man?" 1850 01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:23,780 "What man? Oh, the man in the mirror." 1851 01:49:23,780 --> 01:49:27,460 I wrote, "man in the mirror". 1852 01:49:27,460 --> 01:49:30,100 So two years later, I'm at Glen's house and the phrase- 1853 01:49:30,100 --> 01:49:33,220 - "man in the mirror" just popped out at me- 1854 01:49:33,220 --> 01:49:36,060 - and I started writing these lyrics- 1855 01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:38,500 - that I couldn't write them fast enough, 1856 01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:42,420 I couldn't get it all out fast enough and in like, 15 minutes, 1857 01:49:42,420 --> 01:49:46,140 - we had the first verse and the chorus for Man In The Mirror. 1858 01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:48,780 "I'm certain there will be a change- 1859 01:49:48,780 --> 01:49:50,900 - and starting with that man in the mirror..." 1860 01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:53,220 The lyrics evolved into what they are, 1861 01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:55,980 - but these are the humble beginnings. 1862 01:49:55,980 --> 01:49:59,180 Glen said, "You go finish the lyrics, 1863 01:49:59,180 --> 01:50:02,180 - and I'll finish the track and we'll demo the song on Friday". 1864 01:50:02,180 --> 01:50:05,940 Friday night we finished it after the Quest publishing was closed. 1865 01:50:05,940 --> 01:50:09,860 ♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪ 1866 01:50:09,780 --> 01:50:14,980 ♪ I'm asking him to change his ways... ♪ 1867 01:50:14,980 --> 01:50:17,340 So I called Quincy at home. 1868 01:50:17,340 --> 01:50:19,980 He said, "I'm having a meeting, I can't... 1869 01:50:19,980 --> 01:50:22,900 "You can't drop it off. Just take it to the office on Monday." 1870 01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:24,700 I said, "I... 1871 01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:29,140 "I can't wait till Monday. 1872 01:50:29,140 --> 01:50:32,260 "Let me just, let me just drop it... "Sied..." "Quincy, let me just..." 1873 01:50:32,260 --> 01:50:34,460 "All right, shit." 1874 01:50:34,460 --> 01:50:35,980 And I go to his house... 1875 01:50:35,980 --> 01:50:40,220 I give Quincy this really quickly, this cassette, I say just, 1876 01:50:40,220 --> 01:50:44,340 - "All I ask is you just call me as soon as..." 1877 01:50:44,340 --> 01:50:45,740 He said, "All right, shit". 1878 01:50:45,740 --> 01:50:48,460 Two, three hours later, I get a call and Quincy goes, 1879 01:50:48,460 --> 01:50:53,220 "Sied, this is the best song that I've heard- 1880 01:50:53,220 --> 01:50:55,100 - in ten years". 1881 01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:57,580 And I'm like... 1882 01:50:57,580 --> 01:50:59,420 The key... 1883 01:50:59,420 --> 01:51:02,740 ...was one step too high for Michael, 1884 01:51:02,740 --> 01:51:07,780 - so Quincy wanted me to re-sing the demo in the new key. 1885 01:51:07,780 --> 01:51:10,980 So I come here and I'm singing the demo in the new key- 1886 01:51:10,980 --> 01:51:14,460 - and Michael... is filming me. 1887 01:51:14,460 --> 01:51:16,580 Whenever you're ready, Miss Siedah. 1888 01:51:18,260 --> 01:51:20,900 ♪ Gonna make a change ♪ 1889 01:51:20,900 --> 01:51:24,340 ♪ For once in my life ♪ 1890 01:51:26,740 --> 01:51:29,180 ♪ Gonna feel real good ♪ 1891 01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:34,460 ♪ Gonna make a difference ♪ ♪ gonna make it right ♪ 1892 01:51:36,540 --> 01:51:39,860 ♪ As I turn up the collar on ♪ 1893 01:51:39,860 --> 01:51:42,500 ♪ My favourite winter coat ♪ 1894 01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:45,460 ♪ This wind is blowing my mind ♪ 1895 01:51:46,420 --> 01:51:48,900 ♪ I see the kids in the street ♪ 1896 01:51:48,900 --> 01:51:51,100 ♪ Not enough to eat ♪ 1897 01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:53,300 ♪ Who am I to be blind? ♪ 1898 01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:56,620 ♪ Pretending not to see their need... ♪ 1899 01:51:57,860 --> 01:51:59,900 ♪ A willow deeply scarred... ♪ 1900 01:51:59,900 --> 01:52:01,340 I got that image- 1901 01:52:01,340 --> 01:52:04,540 - cos I was walking down the street in New York, walking past- 1902 01:52:04,540 --> 01:52:07,580 - this brownstone that had been torn down and it was fenced. 1903 01:52:07,580 --> 01:52:10,500 Just a lot with broken glass- 1904 01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:12,060 - and this tree... 1905 01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:15,340 ...that someone had carved their initials into this tree... 1906 01:52:17,980 --> 01:52:20,300 ♪ ..Somebody's broken heart ♪ 1907 01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:24,060 ♪ And one man's soul ♪ 1908 01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:29,180 ♪ They follow each other ♪ ♪ on the wind you know ♪ 1909 01:52:29,180 --> 01:52:32,420 ♪ Cos they got no place to go ♪ 1910 01:52:32,420 --> 01:52:34,940 ♪ That's why I want you to know. ♪ 1911 01:52:34,940 --> 01:52:37,860 It was really a great song from inception, 1912 01:52:37,860 --> 01:52:40,260 - but I think what Michael did is he took that song- 1913 01:52:40,260 --> 01:52:41,580 - and he made it his own. 1914 01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:44,700 In popular music, there's often this idea that you are either- 1915 01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:47,580 - the songwriter of your own material- 1916 01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:49,220 - or you are the interpreter. 1917 01:52:49,220 --> 01:52:52,060 The interesting thing about Michael Jackson is that he was both. 1918 01:52:52,060 --> 01:52:53,940 You may not even know what he's talking about, 1919 01:52:53,940 --> 01:52:57,620 - a broken bottle top, all kinds of images are floating, 1920 01:52:57,620 --> 01:53:01,100 - but it's the conviction and the fervour with which- 1921 01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:04,020 - he brings to the song that is really spectacular. 1922 01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:06,340 He said, "Andrae, I got a song. 1923 01:53:06,340 --> 01:53:11,780 "If you were listening to this and wondered where a choir should be..." 1924 01:53:11,780 --> 01:53:16,100 He said, "I would love to have a choir and I've heard your music." 1925 01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:18,620 ♪ If you wanna make ♪ ♪ the world a better place ♪ 1926 01:53:18,620 --> 01:53:20,940 ♪ Take a look at yourself ♪ ♪ and then make that... ♪ 1927 01:53:20,940 --> 01:53:24,100 "Change," I said, "Right there, you're exactly right". 1928 01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:25,540 And the choir sang... 1929 01:53:25,540 --> 01:53:27,100 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 1930 01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:30,820 ♪ Oooh oh-ooh-oh ♪ 1931 01:53:30,820 --> 01:53:32,340 ♪ - Ow! ♪ ♪ - Yeah! ♪ 1932 01:53:32,340 --> 01:53:33,660 ♪ Oooh oh-ooh-oh ♪ 1933 01:53:33,660 --> 01:53:34,700 ♪ Make that change... ♪ 1934 01:53:34,700 --> 01:53:37,820 Andrae Crouch's choir seriously threw it on the end- 1935 01:53:37,820 --> 01:53:41,580 - and it featured all kinds of singers, including, I didn't realise the Winans were on there! 1936 01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:43,900 My brother Marvin asked him, 1937 01:53:43,900 --> 01:53:46,340 - "Exactly what do, how do you want us to do it?" 1938 01:53:46,340 --> 01:53:50,020 He was whispering into Quincy Jones' ear- 1939 01:53:50,020 --> 01:53:52,860 - and Quincy would actually... 1940 01:53:54,580 --> 01:53:56,540 ...relay the message to us- 1941 01:53:56,540 --> 01:54:00,740 - and my brother Marvin said, "Well, Michael, can you talk?" 1942 01:54:00,740 --> 01:54:04,820 Mike broke out of the shell, sat down on the piano, 1943 01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:08,500 - started playing the part... I didn't even know Michael PLAYED piano. 1944 01:54:08,500 --> 01:54:11,140 OK, here's my favourite link, right here. 1945 01:54:13,780 --> 01:54:15,380 Whoo! 1946 01:54:16,500 --> 01:54:18,780 That's when I was hot, back in the day! 1947 01:54:19,900 --> 01:54:24,100 Man In The Mirror, Quincy said give me the masterclass. 1948 01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:26,020 Those handclaps, that's what you hear. 1949 01:54:26,020 --> 01:54:29,860 The three of us would surround the mic, we'd nail it in real-time. 1950 01:54:31,420 --> 01:54:32,620 Then, what we would do, 1951 01:54:32,620 --> 01:54:35,620 - we would speed this machine up maybe 15%, 1952 01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:37,620 - so the track's going by really fast- 1953 01:54:37,620 --> 01:54:41,300 - and we're still clapping the same thing, then when you play back at a regular speed, 1954 01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:45,300 - it's fat, so we have two sets of claps - in real-time- 1955 01:54:45,300 --> 01:54:48,180 - and the fat claps underneath which are exactly in the same time. 1956 01:54:48,180 --> 01:54:50,660 That's why if you listen to all those records we've done- 1957 01:54:50,660 --> 01:54:53,060 - some of the best clap sounds you'll ever hear. 1958 01:54:53,060 --> 01:54:57,980 Once we cut the track, Andrae Crouch and his wonderful singers- 1959 01:54:57,980 --> 01:55:02,420 - came in here and Bruce Swedien had them all up on this stage. 1960 01:55:02,420 --> 01:55:04,780 Bruce is such a genius, he would have them- 1961 01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:07,820 - actually stand along this side, then stand along the side, 1962 01:55:07,820 --> 01:55:11,780 - then they'd stand in the middle, cos he wanted to get all this really incredible imaging. 1963 01:55:11,780 --> 01:55:14,260 That's why it sounded like 57.000 people! 1964 01:55:14,260 --> 01:55:15,900 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 1965 01:55:15,900 --> 01:55:18,460 ♪ You got to move, chamon... ♪ 1966 01:55:18,460 --> 01:55:22,820 OK, now bring the choir in, gently there... 1967 01:55:22,820 --> 01:55:25,060 Yeah, baby! 1968 01:55:25,060 --> 01:55:29,540 When the session was over, everybody was going back to their cars- 1969 01:55:29,540 --> 01:55:32,100 - and I was listening to it with Quincy. 1970 01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:37,140 I said, "Quincy, you know what? We should have put "change" at the end. 1971 01:55:37,140 --> 01:55:40,340 He said... "Yeah". 1972 01:55:40,340 --> 01:55:44,660 They were getting into their cars in the parking lot and I whistled, 1973 01:55:44,660 --> 01:55:47,260 - I said, "Come here, we've got to do something else." 1974 01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:52,620 And they came in. I said, just say... ♪ Change... ♪ 1975 01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:55,340 And then Michael said, "Make that change!" 1976 01:55:55,340 --> 01:55:57,740 - ♪ "Make that change." ♪ - Ah! 1977 01:55:58,860 --> 01:56:05,540 Somewhere between Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, Bruce Swedien, 1978 01:56:05,540 --> 01:56:08,740 the musicians - Greg Phillinganes, and all these guys- 1979 01:56:08,740 --> 01:56:11,900 - something took place in those sessions that... 1980 01:56:13,420 --> 01:56:18,620 ...technically sounds better than any record ever made to this day. 1981 01:56:18,620 --> 01:56:23,260 Michael Jackson meant that the unachievable was achievable, 1982 01:56:23,260 --> 01:56:25,420 - that you could be respected, 1983 01:56:25,420 --> 01:56:29,820 - you could be successful on a global level as a person of colour. 1984 01:56:29,820 --> 01:56:31,580 There's no-one that will take his place. 1985 01:56:31,580 --> 01:56:33,900 The discipline imposed upon him- 1986 01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:38,140 - for good or for bad, from the time he was a baby, 1987 01:56:38,140 --> 01:56:41,620 - It's not even legal to replicate that in today's world- 1988 01:56:41,620 --> 01:56:47,300 - Michael is the most professional performer I've ever worked with in my life. 1989 01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:49,620 He made it all look so simple. 1990 01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:52,140 He made it all look so natural. 1991 01:56:52,140 --> 01:56:54,460 And he really worked so hard to do that. 1992 01:56:55,460 --> 01:56:57,100 I remember watching... 1993 01:56:58,100 --> 01:57:02,780 ...him on stage, perform and how he would... 1994 01:57:02,780 --> 01:57:04,940 ...just glide and... 1995 01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:07,800 ...make it seem like... 1996 01:57:09,340 --> 01:57:12,980 ...the music was just going through him. I mean, he would close- 1997 01:57:12,980 --> 01:57:15,540 - his eyes and walk across the stage- 1998 01:57:15,540 --> 01:57:18,340 - and I'd sometimes wonder to myself, 1999 01:57:18,340 --> 01:57:21,740 - he could fall, he could trip, he doesn't know where he's going. 2000 01:57:21,740 --> 01:57:23,180 But he never did. 2001 01:57:23,180 --> 01:57:27,300 Whether it's Beyonce or Lady Gaga or Chris Brown or Usher- 2002 01:57:27,300 --> 01:57:29,980 - or will.I.am or Justin Bieber or Justin Timberlake, 2003 01:57:29,980 --> 01:57:31,540 - there isn't a musician- 2004 01:57:31,540 --> 01:57:34,580 - that doesn't quote Michael Jackson as being their idol. 2005 01:57:34,580 --> 01:57:37,780 I don't think there's anybody who comes close to having- 2006 01:57:37,780 --> 01:57:39,180 - that type of work ethic. 2007 01:57:39,180 --> 01:57:42,620 They say that Willie Mays was one of the only five-tool players- 2008 01:57:42,620 --> 01:57:44,380 - in the history of baseball. 2009 01:57:44,380 --> 01:57:50,220 A player that could run, field, hit, hit for power and throw. 2010 01:57:50,220 --> 01:57:52,260 And in the music business, 2011 01:57:52,260 --> 01:57:55,580 - I'm not sure there was ever a five-tool player- 2012 01:57:55,580 --> 01:57:57,740 - other than Michael Jackson. 2013 01:57:57,740 --> 01:58:00,900 Michael could write the songs, he could produce them, 2014 01:58:00,900 --> 01:58:03,940 - he could sing them, he could certainly perform- 2015 01:58:03,940 --> 01:58:08,580 - and dance them and he set fashion trends with his sense of style. 2016 01:58:08,580 --> 01:58:10,660 That's six tools you just named. 2017 01:58:10,660 --> 01:58:13,580 Well, I consider performing and dancing one and the same. 2018 01:58:13,580 --> 01:58:16,780 Hey, I'm with you all the way, six tools, I'm wit' you! 2019 01:58:16,780 --> 01:58:19,580 - Willie Mays and Michael Jackson, that's great. - There it is. 2020 01:58:19,580 --> 01:58:22,940 He did everything. He wrote, he performed, he danced, 2021 01:58:22,940 --> 01:58:26,500 - he did the business part of it, he counted his royalties! 2022 01:58:26,500 --> 01:58:28,796 Sometimes, it's hard to believe he's even gone. 2023 01:58:28,820 --> 01:58:32,100 Just the amount of music that I hear, 2024 01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:35,220 - the number of times that I hear people telling me- 2025 01:58:35,220 --> 01:58:39,700 - about children that are discovering Michael for the first time, 2026 01:58:39,700 --> 01:58:44,340 - all these things, it's like this energy that just does not go away. 2027 01:58:44,340 --> 01:58:48,420 The divinity that that guy was so tapped into. 2028 01:58:48,420 --> 01:58:50,380 There was a reason that he was unique- 2029 01:58:50,380 --> 01:58:54,100 - and he was different than any other artist that we've ever seen- 2030 01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:56,580 - and he had something that was not definable to me. 2031 01:58:56,580 --> 01:58:59,380 Whenever he stepped out and sang, whenever he made that connection- 2032 01:58:59,380 --> 01:59:03,620 - with people, the molecules changed in the room. 2033 01:59:03,620 --> 01:59:06,140 You know, that was what he could do. 2034 01:59:06,140 --> 01:59:07,900 There are people that can go out- 2035 01:59:07,900 --> 01:59:10,020 - and you can be wowed by their technique, 2036 01:59:10,020 --> 01:59:11,500 - but he changed the molecules. 2037 01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:14,500 No-one can quite say what the creative process is, 2038 01:59:14,500 --> 01:59:17,780 - because I have nothing to do with it, almost, 2039 01:59:17,780 --> 01:59:21,340 - because it's created in space, it's God's work, not mine. 2040 01:59:21,340 --> 01:59:24,540 ♪ Gonna make a change ♪ 2041 01:59:24,540 --> 01:59:27,380 ♪ For once in my life ♪ 2042 01:59:30,180 --> 01:59:32,620 ♪ It's gonna feel real good ♪ 2043 01:59:32,620 --> 01:59:34,100 ♪ Gonna make a difference ♪ 2044 01:59:34,100 --> 01:59:38,180 ♪ Gonna make it right ♪ 2045 01:59:39,820 --> 01:59:42,900 ♪ As I turn up the collar on ♪ 2046 01:59:42,900 --> 01:59:45,500 ♪ My favourite winter coat ♪ 2047 01:59:45,500 --> 01:59:49,460 ♪ This wind is blowing my mind ♪ 2048 01:59:49,460 --> 01:59:52,140 ♪ I see the kids in the street ♪ 2049 01:59:52,140 --> 01:59:53,980 ♪ With not enough to eat ♪ 2050 01:59:53,980 --> 01:59:55,940 ♪ Who am I to be blind ♪ 2051 01:59:55,940 --> 02:00:00,260 ♪ Pretending not to see their need? ♪ 2052 02:00:00,260 --> 02:00:02,620 ♪ A summer's disregard ♪ 2053 02:00:02,620 --> 02:00:08,260 ♪ A broken bottle top ♪ ♪ and one man's soul ♪ 2054 02:00:09,340 --> 02:00:13,380 ♪ They follow each other ♪ ♪ on the wind, you know ♪ 2055 02:00:13,380 --> 02:00:16,820 ♪ Cos they got nowhere to go ♪ 2056 02:00:16,820 --> 02:00:19,820 ♪ That's why I want you to know ♪ 2057 02:00:19,820 --> 02:00:23,260 ♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪ 2058 02:00:24,620 --> 02:00:29,140 ♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪ 2059 02:00:29,140 --> 02:00:33,140 ♪ And no message could ♪ ♪ have been any clearer ♪ 2060 02:00:33,140 --> 02:00:35,700 ♪ If you wanna make ♪ ♪ the world a better place ♪ 2061 02:00:35,700 --> 02:00:38,660 ♪ Take a look at yourself ♪ ♪ and then make the change ♪ 2062 02:00:41,100 --> 02:00:42,260 ♪ Nah nah nah ♪ 2063 02:00:42,260 --> 02:00:45,220 ♪ Nah nah nah, ♪ ♪ nah-nah, nah-nah ♪ 2064 02:00:45,220 --> 02:00:47,140 ♪ Oh-ho ♪ 2065 02:00:48,420 --> 02:00:53,140 ♪ I've been a victim of ♪ ♪ A selfish kind of love ♪ 2066 02:00:53,140 --> 02:00:57,260 ♪ It's time that I realised ♪ 2067 02:00:57,260 --> 02:00:59,700 ♪ There are some with no home ♪ 2068 02:00:59,700 --> 02:01:01,540 ♪ Not a nickel to loan ♪ 2069 02:01:01,540 --> 02:01:03,860 ♪ Could it be really mean ♪ 2070 02:01:03,860 --> 02:01:07,940 ♪ Pretending that they're not alone? ♪ 2071 02:01:07,940 --> 02:01:10,420 ♪ A willow deeply scarred ♪ 2072 02:01:10,420 --> 02:01:12,940 ♪ Somebody's broken heart ♪ 2073 02:01:12,940 --> 02:01:17,140 ♪ And a washed-out dream ♪ 2074 02:01:17,140 --> 02:01:21,500 ♪ They follow the pattern ♪ ♪ of the wind, you see ♪ 2075 02:01:21,500 --> 02:01:24,580 ♪ Cos they got no place to be ♪ 2076 02:01:24,580 --> 02:01:27,580 ♪ That's why I'm starting with me ♪ 2077 02:01:27,580 --> 02:01:31,220 ♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪ 2078 02:01:31,220 --> 02:01:32,380 ♪ Ooh! ♪ 2079 02:01:32,380 --> 02:01:35,660 ♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪ 2080 02:01:35,660 --> 02:01:36,740 ♪ Ooh! ♪ 2081 02:01:36,740 --> 02:01:41,060 ♪ And no message could ♪ ♪ have been any clearer ♪ 2082 02:01:41,060 --> 02:01:43,700 ♪ If you wanna make ♪ ♪ the world a better place ♪ 2083 02:01:43,700 --> 02:01:46,940 ♪ Take a look at yourself ♪ ♪ and then make the change ♪ 2084 02:01:46,940 --> 02:01:50,620 ♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪ 2085 02:01:50,620 --> 02:01:51,820 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2086 02:01:51,820 --> 02:01:55,300 ♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪ 2087 02:01:55,300 --> 02:01:56,340 ♪ Ooh ♪ 2088 02:01:56,340 --> 02:02:00,460 ♪ And no message could ♪ ♪ have been any clearer ♪ 2089 02:02:00,460 --> 02:02:03,100 ♪ If you wanna make ♪ ♪ the world a better place ♪ 2090 02:02:03,100 --> 02:02:05,180 ♪ Take a look at yourself ♪ ♪ and then make that ♪ 2091 02:02:05,180 --> 02:02:06,340 ♪ Change! ♪ 2092 02:02:06,340 --> 02:02:09,380 ♪ I'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪ 2093 02:02:09,380 --> 02:02:10,940 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2094 02:02:10,940 --> 02:02:14,500 ♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪ 2095 02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:15,700 ♪ You better change ♪ 2096 02:02:15,700 --> 02:02:17,420 ♪ No message could've been any clearer ♪ 2097 02:02:17,420 --> 02:02:19,660 ♪ Whoo-hoo ♪ 2098 02:02:19,660 --> 02:02:22,100 ♪ If you wanna make ♪ ♪ the world a better place ♪ 2099 02:02:22,100 --> 02:02:24,540 ♪ Take a look at yourself ♪ ♪ and then make the change ♪ 2100 02:02:24,540 --> 02:02:26,980 ♪ You gotta get it right ♪ ♪ while you got the time ♪ 2101 02:02:26,980 --> 02:02:30,060 ♪ Cos if you close your heart ♪ ♪ then you close your, your mind ♪ 2102 02:02:30,060 --> 02:02:32,020 ♪ That man ♪ 2103 02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:35,300 ♪ That man in the mirror, oh yeah ♪ 2104 02:02:35,300 --> 02:02:38,820 ♪ I'm asking him to change his ways ♪ 2105 02:02:38,820 --> 02:02:40,300 ♪ You better change ♪ 2106 02:02:40,300 --> 02:02:43,900 ♪ No message could have been any clearer ♪ 2107 02:02:43,900 --> 02:02:45,540 ♪ If you wanna make the world ♪ 2108 02:02:45,540 --> 02:02:47,740 ♪ A better place take a look at yourself ♪ 2109 02:02:47,740 --> 02:02:49,820 ♪ And then make that change ♪ 2110 02:02:49,820 --> 02:02:51,900 ♪ Whoo! Whoo! ♪ 2111 02:02:51,900 --> 02:02:55,820 ♪ Nah-nah-nah Nah-nah-nah, ♪ ♪ na-na, na-na ♪ 2112 02:02:55,820 --> 02:02:57,700 ♪ Whoo! Whoo! ♪ 2113 02:02:57,700 --> 02:02:59,300 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2114 02:02:59,300 --> 02:03:01,420 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 2115 02:03:01,420 --> 02:03:03,220 ♪ Nah-nah-nah, nah-nah-nah ♪ 2116 02:03:03,220 --> 02:03:05,660 ♪ Na-na, na-na ♪ 2117 02:03:09,140 --> 02:03:12,420 ♪ Gonna make that change ♪ 2118 02:03:12,420 --> 02:03:15,620 ♪ Gonna feel real good, come on ♪ 2119 02:03:15,620 --> 02:03:17,660 ♪ Change ♪ 2120 02:03:17,660 --> 02:03:20,740 ♪ Just lift yourself, you know it ♪ 2121 02:03:20,740 --> 02:03:24,860 ♪ You got to stop it yourself, yeah ♪ 2122 02:03:24,860 --> 02:03:27,140 ♪ - Whoo! ♪ ♪ - Make that change ♪ 2123 02:03:27,140 --> 02:03:30,340 ♪ Gotta make that change today ♪ 2124 02:03:30,340 --> 02:03:31,580 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 2125 02:03:31,580 --> 02:03:35,020 ♪ You got to move, you know it ♪ 2126 02:03:35,020 --> 02:03:38,300 ♪ You know it, ow! ♪ 2127 02:03:38,300 --> 02:03:40,060 ♪ Yeah! ♪ 2128 02:03:40,060 --> 02:03:41,980 ♪ Make that change ♪ 2129 02:03:41,980 --> 02:03:44,900 ♪ You know all about it. ♪ 2130 02:03:44,900 --> 02:03:47,100 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 2131 02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:49,300 ♪ You know it, you know it ♪ 2132 02:03:49,300 --> 02:03:50,800 ♪ You, you ♪ 2133 02:03:52,820 --> 02:03:54,580 ♪ Yeah! ♪ 2134 02:03:54,580 --> 02:03:57,340 ♪ Make that change ♪ 2135 02:03:59,500 --> 02:04:01,540 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 2136 02:04:01,540 --> 02:04:04,180 ♪ You know it, you know it ♪ 2137 02:04:04,180 --> 02:04:05,680 ♪ You do, you, you ♪ 2138 02:04:07,260 --> 02:04:08,980 ♪ Yeah! ♪ 2139 02:04:08,980 --> 02:04:10,620 ♪ Make that change ♪ 2140 02:04:10,620 --> 02:04:13,860 ♪ Gonna make that change today, yeah ♪ 2141 02:04:13,860 --> 02:04:16,180 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 2142 02:04:16,180 --> 02:04:19,100 ♪ Na-na-na, mm, yeah, yeah ♪ 2143 02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:21,820 ♪ Yeah, you gotta ♪ 2144 02:04:21,820 --> 02:04:25,500 ♪ Yeah, make that change ♪ 2145 02:04:28,420 --> 02:04:30,580 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 2146 02:04:30,580 --> 02:04:35,300 ♪ You know it, you know it you, you ♪ 2147 02:04:35,300 --> 02:04:36,380 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 2148 02:04:36,380 --> 02:04:39,940 ♪ Yeah, make that change ♪ 2149 02:04:42,940 --> 02:04:44,580 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 2150 02:04:50,180 --> 02:04:50,940 ♪ Stand up ♪ 2151 02:04:50,940 --> 02:04:54,380 ♪ Yeah, make that change ♪ 2152 02:04:54,380 --> 02:04:57,060 ♪ Stand up for each other ♪ 2153 02:04:57,060 --> 02:04:59,380 ♪ Man in the mirror ♪ 2154 02:04:59,380 --> 02:05:01,820 ♪ You know it, you know it ♪ 2155 02:05:01,820 --> 02:05:04,780 ♪ You know it, you know ♪ 2156 02:05:06,140 --> 02:05:11,540 ♪ Change... ♪ 2157 02:05:14,620 --> 02:05:17,020 ♪ Make that change. ♪ 2158 02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:54,580 I love you! 2159 02:06:11,540 --> 02:06:13,060 ♪ Hee-hee-heee ♪ 2160 02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:14,560 ♪ Chamon! ♪ 2161 02:06:46,660 --> 02:06:49,900 ♪ Are you ready for a ♪ ♪ real good time, my love? ♪ 2162 02:06:49,900 --> 02:06:54,300 ♪ Are you ready for a good treat? ♪ 2163 02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:56,740 ♪ There'll be so much as it singing ♪ 2164 02:06:56,740 --> 02:06:58,340 ♪ Uh, uh, uh ♪ 2165 02:06:58,340 --> 02:07:02,060 ♪ You, yeah, what you mean to me ♪ 2166 02:07:02,060 --> 02:07:03,980 ♪ So don't be messin' round ♪ 2167 02:07:03,980 --> 02:07:06,700 ♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪ 2168 02:07:06,700 --> 02:07:08,180 ♪ Don't be messin' with ♪ 2169 02:07:08,180 --> 02:07:09,940 ♪ With me, hey hey ♪ 2170 02:07:09,940 --> 02:07:11,780 ♪ So don't be messin' round ♪ 2171 02:07:11,780 --> 02:07:14,180 ♪ Don't be messin' round ♪ 2172 02:07:14,180 --> 02:07:17,180 ♪ Don't be messin' with With me ♪ 2173 02:07:17,180 --> 02:07:18,300 ♪ Hey hey ♪ 2174 02:07:18,300 --> 02:07:20,780 ♪ Don't be startin' nothin' then if ♪ 2175 02:07:20,780 --> 02:07:25,460 ♪ If you say this really ain't your crowd ♪ 2176 02:07:25,460 --> 02:07:28,420 ♪ I'll be so proud if you let me ♪ 2177 02:07:28,420 --> 02:07:33,660 ♪ Only girl let me love ♪ ♪ you for a little while ♪ 2178 02:07:33,660 --> 02:07:35,980 ♪ But don't be messin' with ♪ 2179 02:07:35,980 --> 02:07:37,780 ♪ Don't be messin' with ♪ 2180 02:07:37,780 --> 02:07:41,980 ♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪ ♪ Hey hey hey ♪ 2181 02:07:41,980 --> 02:07:43,700 ♪ So don't be messin' with ♪ 2182 02:07:43,700 --> 02:07:45,820 ♪ Don't be messin' with ♪ 2183 02:07:45,820 --> 02:07:49,740 ♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪ ♪ Hey ♪ 2184 02:07:49,740 --> 02:07:51,460 ♪ Aha, yeah ♪ 2185 02:07:51,460 --> 02:07:53,260 ♪ Oh-ho yeah ♪ 2186 02:07:53,260 --> 02:07:55,180 ♪ Aha, yeah ♪ 2187 02:07:55,180 --> 02:07:57,180 ♪ Oh-ho yeah ♪ 2188 02:07:57,180 --> 02:07:59,620 ♪ Ooh ooh ♪ 2189 02:08:05,260 --> 02:08:09,420 ♪ Now she's started ♪ ♪ finger-poppin' to the beat ♪ 2190 02:08:09,420 --> 02:08:13,100 ♪ So I said, "Let's do that on the floor" ♪ 2191 02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:16,020 ♪ She said to keep your mind on dancin' ♪ 2192 02:08:16,020 --> 02:08:17,980 ♪ Won't be no romancing ♪ 2193 02:08:17,980 --> 02:08:20,700 ♪ Lord no, don't mess around with me ♪ 2194 02:08:20,700 --> 02:08:21,940 ♪ I ain't playing ♪ 2195 02:08:21,940 --> 02:08:23,460 ♪ Don't be messin' with ♪ 2196 02:08:23,460 --> 02:08:25,660 ♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪ 2197 02:08:25,660 --> 02:08:28,380 ♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪ 2198 02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:31,100 ♪ Hey hey ♪ ♪ So don't be messin' with ♪ 2199 02:08:31,100 --> 02:08:33,740 ♪ Don't be messin' with ♪ 2200 02:08:33,740 --> 02:08:37,300 ♪ Don't be messin' round with me ♪ ♪ Hey hey ♪ 2201 02:08:37,300 --> 02:08:38,980 ♪ Bridge ♪ 2202 02:08:38,980 --> 02:08:41,700 ♪ Doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo ♪ 2203 02:08:41,700 --> 02:08:45,660 ♪ Doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo ♪ 2204 02:08:45,660 --> 02:08:49,940 ♪ Doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo ♪ 2205 02:08:49,940 --> 02:08:52,580 ♪ Doo-doo doo-doo ♪ 2206 02:08:52,580 --> 02:08:54,860 ♪ Pu pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪ 2207 02:08:54,860 --> 02:08:56,620 ♪ Pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪ 2208 02:08:56,620 --> 02:08:58,740 ♪ Pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪ 2209 02:08:58,740 --> 02:09:02,780 ♪ Pa pu pa pa pu pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪ 2210 02:09:02,780 --> 02:09:04,660 ♪ Pu pa-rup pa-rup ♪ 2211 02:09:04,660 --> 02:09:07,180 ♪ Pa pa-rup pu pa-rup ♪ 2212 02:09:07,180 --> 02:09:10,540 ♪ Ba-ba ba buh ♪ 2213 02:09:14,340 --> 02:09:17,140 ♪ Chi pah chi pah chi pah chi pah ♪ 2214 02:09:18,300 --> 02:09:21,540 ♪ Chi pah chi pah chi pah chi pah ♪ 2215 02:09:21,540 --> 02:09:24,700 ♪ Chi pah chi pah chi pah chi pah ♪ 2216 02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:26,200 ♪ Ooh... ♪ 2217 02:09:41,180 --> 02:09:43,300 ♪ ...So don't be messin' with ♪ 2218 02:09:43,300 --> 02:09:44,900 ♪ Don't be messin' with ♪ 2219 02:09:44,900 --> 02:09:48,700 ♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪ ♪ Hey hey hey ♪ 2220 02:09:48,700 --> 02:09:50,620 ♪ So don't be messin' with ♪ 2221 02:09:50,620 --> 02:09:52,940 ♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪ 2222 02:09:52,940 --> 02:09:56,780 ♪ Don't be messin' with, with me ♪ ♪ Hey hey ♪ 2223 02:09:56,780 --> 02:09:59,180 ♪ So don't be messin' round ♪ 2224 02:09:59,180 --> 02:10:01,340 ♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪ 2225 02:10:01,340 --> 02:10:04,540 ♪ Don't be messin' with, with me ♪ ♪ Hey hey ♪ 2226 02:10:04,540 --> 02:10:06,940 ♪ So don't be messin' with ♪ 2227 02:10:06,940 --> 02:10:08,980 ♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪ 2228 02:10:08,980 --> 02:10:12,420 ♪ Don't be messin' with me ♪ ♪ Hey hey... ♪ 2229 02:10:12,420 --> 02:10:13,980 ♪ This is the thing. ♪ 2230 02:11:04,820 --> 02:11:06,380 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 192286

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