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Being a dad is one of the great privileges of my life.

Give my son a BB gun, and that's just about all the emotional support he needs.

My daughter, on the other hand, I've heard people say that there are no differences between male and female.

Those people are idiots.

I'm a husband.

I'm a father of four.

I host a talk show.

I give speeches, I write books.

I like to make sense of things.

But making sense of females is a whole other matter.

Even astrophysicist Stephen Hawking, who could come up with

a theory on black holes, was completely dumbfounded by women.

Women, they are a complete mystery.

And now our culture is telling us that the differences between girls and boys

don't matter, that if you identify as something, then you are that thing.

How do we help our kids make sense of this when they're bombarded with

conflicting messages about gender and identity? Forget trying to figure out women.

The real question is, what is a woman? As you grow, your

body changes from that of a young girl to that of a woman.

Soon Molly will be a young woman having dates,

going to dances, and lovely romantic dresses.

The boy's shoulders are broad and his body

muscular, while the girl's body is more curved.

I'd like to know more about different kinds of hormones.

The presence of these hormones in the blood brings

about many changes in the bodies of both boys and girls.

Being a woman is one of the things I like best about myself.

I think you'll like it, too.

I like to come out here to think.

Nature seems to always tell the truth, even when we don't want to hear it.

Truth is, I'm not very good at fishing, but what is

truth? Is there a truth?

Is this what progress looks like? Can my boys really become girls? Do I have four

daughters? Do I now have to pay for four weddings?

Is there a son trapped in my daughter's body? If

so, how do I get them out? Are any of my kids who

they claim to be? Who are these people? Who am I?

I better see a therapist in the state of Tennessee.

I'm a licensed marital and family therapist, which

basically means I've been trained up to think

about, like, systems, family systems, how we

were raised up, how that shapes who we are today.

So on your website, if you'll bear with me

quoting you say I use a combination of approaches

in my therapeutic work, including anti oppression, feminist, and narrative frameworks.

I rely deeply on systems theory and understanding

that individuals are products of and in dialogue with

our surroundings, including our families, broader

culture, workplaces, nature, and political climates.

What does that mean? Yeah.

So thinking about the modalities that I use, I'm

definitely informed by feminist family therapy.

And the idea is that we've lived in gendered worlds where there are certain imperatives

that are placed on us about who we are and what we do based on how we've been gendered.

From the minute I was assigned female, I was told, okay,

these are the kind of clothing that you're going to wear.

These are the type of play that you're going to engage in as a child,

the path that maybe your life will take because of social expectations.

What do you mean by assigned female? Who assigns female? Yeah.

So most times people, when they're born, they're

assigned to gender by the doctor doctors.

Yeah.

What are they based that assignment on? So basically it's based on genitalia.

So people are looking at genitalia and deciding, okay, this is a girl or a boy.

And we know now that sex and gender are so much more than just this binary.

Some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas.

That's not how gender work.

How do we know that that's not true? Where did we

learn that? Yeah, well, I learned that from hearing

from transgender people who said, like, oh, I'm a

trans woman, and just because I happen to have a penis.

Right.

That doesn't mean that this is like who I am as

a person or that genitalia doesn't equal gender.

Who they are, their gender, their gender expression.

Yeah.

Trans woman is a woman with the fluidity of these things.

How do I know if I'm a woman? That's a great question.

I like scented candles.

I've watched Sex in the City.

So how do I know? Yeah, Matt, that question right

there, that question is when it's asked with a

lot of curiosity, that's the beginning of a lot

of people's gender identity development journeys.

If my mom who gave birth to me is a woman and my wife

is a woman, so I haven't asked her, maybe I should.

But if they're all women and also the boy who sits down with you and says,

I think I'm a girl actually is one, then what is a woman? Great question.

I'm not a woman, so I can't really answer that.

I thought therapy would make me less confused.

we're talking about gender in society.

Let me start with a real basic question.

I don't want to assume, but you guys are all women.

Yeah.

How would you define it? Like in the simplest terms, that is hard.

Yeah.

It is a stumper.

A woman is someone that likes to be pretty and

think of themselves as a delicate creature.

I'm pretty indelicate.

I could be a woman, too.

Yes, you could.

Defining womanhood is just a product of someone who identifies as a woman.

Yeah, but I'm saying, what do they identify as they identify as a woman.

But what is that as they do now? It's a simple question.

for all of human existence, women were understood to be a certain thing.

So what changed? No one can seem to answer the question now.

Over 2000 surgeries and counting, Dr.

Marcy Bowers is the nation's preeminent sex change surgeon.

talking to.

Marcy Bowers, first of all, thanks for talking to us.

My pleasure.

So you're a world renowned gynecologist and surgeon.

You're also a transgender woman.

Can you tell me a little bit about that? I identify as a woman.

But you're a woman, right? I'm a woman.

That's my life day to day.

But I have a transgender history.

So one thing on your website, it says gender affirm Gav.

Gender affirming vaginal plasty.

What is that exactly? Vaginaplasty is the creation of a female vagina.

And Balva.

We're altering the physical characteristics of the individual

to fit better with a gender identity that is female.

This is all constructed from the penis.

Yes, that's right.

The surgeries are quite refined in the sense that they really not only do they

look like female anatomy, but they also function that way for the most part.

I mean, certainly it's a bit of a Faustian bargain.

It's not perfect.

Does anyone ever regret their surgeries? We know they do.

But how often do people regret their surgeries?

Well, actually, we don't know that they do.

There are legitimate detransitioners, and there are people who

truly feel that in their journey they may have made a mistake.

Now, fortunately, this is a really uncommon phenomenon.

I don't know if you've ever heard of people in the trans abled community.

These are people who are physically able bodied but

feel like they should be disabled or identify as such.

For example, a man who has two arms but feels like you should have one.

If a man in this kind of marginalized community went to

the doctor and said, I want to have my arm cut off, do

you think that doesn't have anything to do with gender

identity? Someone's self identity? That's someone who has.

And I'll accept it as a mental diagnosis, a psychiatric condition.

I don't even pretend to know what abdomen affiliate is all about, but somehow it's

the idea that you're fascinated or charmed by having a limb or part of a limb missing.

Okay, I would say that's, pardon my non medical language, Kooky.

You don't see any.

Do you think this is totally irrelevant? Yes.

So the biggest broadest question is, what is a woman? A

woman is a combination of your physical attributes and then

what you're showing to the world and the gender clues that

you give, and hopefully those match your gender identity.

The critics on the other side of this issue, there aren't many.

But go ahead.

There aren't many who would disagree with what you're saying

about, well, the dinosaurs of the world are certainly out there.

How long have you been running the shop here? 25 years.

Wow.

Now you had an incident here a little while ago that went really viral online.

Lots of reaction in the public.

Aberdeen Councilwoman ties confronted owner Don

Sucker about a sign he posted in his store one day.

I just put the sign up over here and he came around

the corner and I thought, okay, I recognize him.

I said, oh, I recognize you.

You're our new city Councilman.

He says, no, I'm your new city Council woman.

So it was kind of on from there.

You know what? It's bullshit.

Your spouting is bullshit.

No, it's not.

Women are women.

Sir, that sign is bullshit.

I've been doing this 25 years.

I've never had a problem with anybody.

Whether they're gay, trans, sex, anything.

Now you're saying, Councilman he, this individual is saying,

I'm a woman, right? And you said, you're not a woman.

How do you know that person is not a woman? How do I know? Well, common sense.

Doesn't the science say that if someone identifies as

a woman, then they are? No, that's completely bogus.

I don't care if you think you're a sheep dog and you come into my store.

It don't matter to me.

Just don't come in and try to shove that shit down my throat.

If it makes someone feel better.

What about their feelings? I don't give a shit about their feelings.

I'm old.

What about a Star Wars universe charge our banks pansexual? Do you think

transgender? Why would I even care if it's his truth? Well, it ain't true.

You're not a scientist.

You're not a gender studies major.

Or are you? No.

Okay.

How do you know that you're a man? How do I know that? I guess because I got a Dick.

Well, I guess Don isn't overthinking it.

He admits he's not a gender studies major or at the very least, a doctor.

Maybe I should go talk to one.

My name is Michelle 14, and I have a medical degree from University of Connecticut.

Residency, University of Utah Pediatrics.

And I've worked for a number of different plant Parenthoods for 20 years.

I do advanced contraception and abortion, as well as gender hormones and sort

of looking at the whole sort of schema of gender, sex and reproductive justice.

So you've done a lot of work in this field.

Could you just start by telling us? Sure.

At what age can a child first begin to transition into another

gender or identify themselves as a gender different from how

they were born? Yeah, well, there's research and data that

show that babies and infants understand differences in gender.

Some children figure out their gender really early.

And the reason why we say, oh, that's interesting

or important is because they're figuring

out their gender identity is not necessarily

congruent with their sexist signed at birth.

When the doctor sees the penis and says, this is a

male as a sex of male, that's an arbitrary distinction.

Telling that family based on that little penis that your child is

absolutely 100% male identified, no matter what else occurs in their life.

That's not correct.

So what is gender affirmation care you're a big proponent of if we walk

through a child is sitting down with you is questioning their gender.

What's the gender affirmation process? Affirmation

means that as a pediatrician, as someone who

says my job is to provide the best medical care

for you is I need to listen really carefully.

And how I put it in words for kids so that

they can understand it is tell me your story.

Where have you been in terms of your gender and

your gender identity? Where are you right now?

And more excitingly, where would you like to

be in the future? Have you ever met a four year

old who believes in Santa Claus? This is someone

who believes that fat man is traveling through

the sky and a flying reindeer at lightning speed,

coming down his chimney with presence? Yes.

Would you say that this is someone who maybe has a tenuous grasp on

reality? They have an appropriate four year old handle on the reality.

That's very real for them.

Agreed.

But Santa Claus is real for them.

But Santa Claus is not actually real.

Yeah, but Santa Claus does deliver their Christmas presents.

Yeah, but he's not real, though, to that child they are.

When I see a child who believes in Santa Claus and then let's say this is a boy and he

says, I'm a girl, this is someone who can't distinguish between fantasy and reality.

So how could you take that as a reality? I would say that as a pediatrician and

as a parent, I would say how wonderful my four year old in their imagination is.

Aren't kids famous for their active imaginations?

Should we really let our children define reality?

If I said that I feel a certain way, then

obviously you can't tell me I don't feel that way.

But just because I feel that way, does that mean

that it's true? Truly, like none of my business.

So we all have our own identity realities.

What if I said, I want you to say that it's true that I'm a woman.

Would you say that? I would also say that if you want I honestly don't care.

Whatever makes you happy.

What's true to you can be false to me.

What if I said that my truth is that you don't exist? Does that

mean you no longer exist? I mean, if that's your true chair.

I don't.

Because it's so you do.

I mean, if you're saying that I do that I do.

Well, but even if I said that you don't, you still do.

Because we're having this conversation, are we? I think so.

That's what you think.

Well, I should have known it would be hard to define reality in Hollywood.

I should probably look to the place where truth

is the foremost pursuit, the American University.

What we do in gender studies is not just reduce gender to what

psychologists might call individual differences, but rather thinking about

gender, not women and man, but gender as a social form, something

that kind of infuses itself into virtually all aspects of social life.

Let's talk about that.

Then.

I guess we should start with we've got gender and sex, right?

What's the difference between the two? Is there a difference?

I saw that in your questions, and I thought, my goodness, this

is what we spend an entire semester kind of thinking through.

But what we tend to think about in the social Sciences today is that sex refers to

a set of biological characteristics, and gender is a social constructor category.

What I think is often misleading about that character,

that it's allowed to be sort of messy and complicated.

But in that framing, when you split them up into these wholly discrete constructs,

study scholars and really more specifically, people who study gender and sex.

We're not talking about sexuality right now.

Academic universe that I travel in is that we see

how deeply gendered ideas, cultural ideas about

masculinity, feminine, maleness and femaleness,

both in humans and in lots of other animals.

So our gender and sex two different things.

Well, I think that they both are and they aren't.

I'm comfortable saying that gender and sex are two different

constructs, but they're deeply intertwined with each other.

We're talking about gender and sex, and there's a lot of controversies there.

If we're talking about a trans woman has all of the male physical characteristics,

so would that not be a male, then? Couldn't we plainly say this person is

a male? Well, I guess it's like, why are you asking the question? I think I want

to understand sort of why that's so important to sort of understand reality.

Well, I mean, I think when someone tells you who they are, you should believe them.

So if a person says that they're a woman or they're

a man, then that's them telling you their gender is.

I'm not so sure what social interactions would have to do with maleness

or femaleness that we I'm not even talking about social context.

I'm just trying to start by getting to the truth.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm really uncomfortable with that language

of, like, getting to the truth again in social life.

Why is that uncomfortable? Because it sounds actually deeply transphobic to me.

And if you keep probing, we're going to stop the interview.

If I probe about what the truth is, you keep invoking

the word truth, which is condescending and rude.

I'm saying to you, how is the word truth condescending and

rude? Why don't you tell me what your truth is, and you're

walking on 30 seconds more of the nights before I get up what

my truth is? Well, I don't think I really have the truth.

I think that there's just the truth, like the reality.

And so we should begin by trying to figure out what the reality is.

And why are you concerned when someone else tells you that

they're a man, or even if they use the word male, why are you

concerned with not believing them? Well, you keep bringing it back

to how do you respond in a social situation? That's what I do.

I'm a social scientist.

Well, right.

But we're in a University.

This is a place of understanding truth, isn't it? Absolutely.

We pursue truth.

And I'm a social scientist, and that's what I did.

You just say the truth is transphobic.

That you would say if you're saying the truth is that I get to say you're not a man.

Show me your genitalia.

That's transphobic.

No, I don't want to see if it's genitalia.

I just mean someone can make a statement about themselves that could be untrue.

Like, for example, if I were to say that I'm a

black man, would you accept that, or would you

be skeptical? Are you black? Are you African

American? Are you biracial? I don't think so.

Well, you don't look that.

And I don't think that's a it doesn't sound

like that's a genuine statement of who you are.

Okay.

So that's my point.

I could make a statement about who I am.

That's incorrect.

Of course.

I think it's well established that human beings can lie.

Yes.

Or not even lie.

I mean, I could just be mistaken.

Yeah.

I guess this all comes back just all comes down to really

one question, especially women, gender and sexuality studies.

Why do you ask the question? I just really like to know, what do you think the answer

to that question is? Well, I'm asking that's why I came to a College Professor.

This is what you do.

a lot of like this where you're not answering? I've gotten a lot of that.

I think it's interesting that you say that some of the

people you've interviewed have been reluctant to answer it.

And I think that has a lot to do with the the way questions that

preceded it and the way that you've conducted yourself in the interview.

How have I conducted myself? How do you think you've conducted yourself? You

just really don't want to answer the questions, do you? I came today very

willing and enthusiastic about answering questions about women and gender

sexuality studies, which is you wanted to answer questions about women's studies.

And so the first answer you should be able to

provide is what exactly is a woman? Well, for

me, it's actually a really simple answer, and

that's the person who identifies as a woman.

But what are they identifying as a woman? What is that as

a woman? Do you know what a circular definition is? I do.

It's sort of like what you're doing right now.

Where is a woman? Because you're seeking what we would call

in my field of work, an essentialist definition of gender.

I think it sounds like you would like me to give you a set of biological or

cultural characteristics that are associated with one gender or the other.

I'm not seeking any type of definition.

I'm just seeking a definition.

Yeah, I gave you one.

Well, now I can say I've been to College.

Glad I didn't pay for it.

Is there anyone willing to give me a straight answer?

Ideally somebody with a bunch of medical degrees on the wall.

Dr.

Grossman, thanks for talking to us.

You're a psychiatrist and medical doctor and

you've done a lot of work in child psychiatry.

What is transgenderism? From a psychiatric

standpoint? The best way to approach it is by speaking

about gender dysphoria, which is an intense

loathing and discomfort with one's biological sex.

They exist anywhere between one in 30,000 people and one in 1100.

It's important to distinguish those people from

what's happening much more recently, which is

kids that never had any discomfort or dysphoria,

as it's now called, with their biological sex.

And then quite suddenly, as preteens or as adolescents, they come out and

they announce that they are gender fluid or they start to question their sex.

So first, let's define the terms sex and gender.

Yes, please.

Sex is biology.

Sex is unchanging.

It's based on chromosomes.

99 point 99% of the cells in the body are marked either male or female.

Gender, on the other hand, is a perception.

It's a feeling.

It's a way of identifying it's an experience.

Okay, that's subjective.

It sounds like what you're saying is that if a man is male

but thinks of himself as a woman, he's not actually a woman.

That's correct.

Male gametes.

That's what makes me male.

No, your sperm don't make you male.

Then what does it's a constellation in reality.

In truth.

Okay, whose truth are we talking about? The same truth

that says we're sitting in this room right now, you and I.

No, you're not listening.

If I see a chicken laying eggs and I say that's a female chicken laying

eggs, did I assign female or am I just observing a physical reality

that's happening in the world? Does a chicken have gender identity? Does

a chicken cry? Does a chicken commit suicide because you're talking.

You're trying.

Chicken has sex.

Like any biological organism, an assigned gender.

But a chicken doesn't have a gender identity.

So we assign female the chickens and they lay eggs.

We assume they're female if they lay eggs.

Now, I was told that really, everyone agrees with the current

approach to gender and transitioning kids and all that.

And if you don't agree that you are a dinosaur and a bigot, are

you a bigoted dinosaur? I'm not bigoted and I am not a dinosaur.

I am rooted in reality and in science.

Who's reality? There's one reality.

The first race that I competed against a

transgender athlete was during my freshman year.

And once the gun went off, the two transgender athletes

took off flying and left all of us girls in the dust.

Throughout all four years of high school, I

was forced to compete against biological males.

I only competed against them in the sprinting events, but I raced against these

athletes over a dozen times throughout the years, and every single time I lost.

Did they inch you out of metals that you would have won otherwise or trophies you

would have won? They beat me out by 20 meters out of medals and qualifying spots.

I missed out on qualifying for New England.

I had to go in the long jump and the four X 200 meters relay.

So I was forced on the sidelines in my own event, and if

they were not there, I would have been able to qualify.

So I missed out on so much throughout my high school career.

Did they win all the events or almost all the events between

the two of them? They want every single event they competed in.

How does that feel? It is so frustrating and heartbreaking

because we elite female athletes train so hard to

shave distractions of a second off of our time and going

into races knowing that we will never be able to win.

It feels like all that work gone to waste.

Case.

In Connecticut, there were two male track runners, trainers, girls, right.

Who decided that they were going to race against the girls.

And you look at those individuals, you look at

their times against the men, against the boys.

So they were kind of middle of the pack, and then they're

racing the girls and they're first and second place.

Is that indicative of some kind of unfair advantage that those individuals

might have against the girls? No, it's not indicative of an unfair advantage.

And I think part of the proof of this is that more transgender girls are

coming out in high school and still playing sports and they're not winning.

The Connecticut case is the exception.

It got a lot of attention because those two trans girls performed well.

But there are many more trans girls competing in sports, and they don't excel.

At the end of the day, whether or not you win a game is about how

hard you work in your practice, and most of us aren't going to win.

And that goes for transgender athletes, too.

Let's go.

The norm is that transgender youth don't win that much in sports games.

Alana McLaughlin was very appreciative for Provost to take this by.

I don't know how appreciative now, but she got a couple of punches in.

It is very much the exception when a transgender young person does

win, and it's because there's not really an advantage to being trans.

Only a few people are going to lead the pack.

if there was a big advantage to being transgender in sports,

then we would see transgender women totally dominating.

And over the last half of the pool, nobody will

touch Leah Thomas and man a feel like a woman.

Transgender swimmer Leah Thomas breaking barriers and records.

But in a new article, Sports Illustrated calls the

College senior the most controversial athlete in America.

Leah obviously helps us do better, right? Swimming really fast.

Leah's performance helps the University of Pennsylvania swim team.

The feeling of winning doesn't feel as good anymore because it feels painted.

There was a lot of things you couldn't talk about that

were very concerning, like a locker room situation.

If you even brought up concerns about it, you were transphobic.

If you even bring up the fact that Leah swimming

might not be fair, you were immediately shut down.

This being called a hateful person or transphobic.

But there's never any conversation.

The coaches don't sit everyone down and

acknowledge what everyone's really upset about.

So kind of actually brought in people high

up in the athletic Department to talk to us.

They brought in someone from the LGBTQ center.

They brought in someone from the psychological services.

So you're upset about what's happening and so you need psychological help.

Yeah.

And they told us in this meeting, they said, look, we understand

there's an array of emotions, but Leah, swimming is a non negotiable.

However, we can help you make that okay.

That's what we here for.

So you're anonymous for this interview.

Why did you decide that you can't have your face out there saying these things? They've made it pretty clear that

if you speak up about it and you say anything negative

that your life will be over in some way, you'll be lost.

It all over the Internet.

As a transphobe.

If you come out and then you'll never be able to get a job.

Like anyone who wants to hire you will look you up

and see your transphobic and your life will be over.

Let's say that I identified as a woman tomorrow, and I

wanted to go into the same locker room where you are.

Should I be allowed to do that? As long as I identify that way, I don't know.

I just feel that other women would be uncomfortable by you walking in.

controversy at a health club in Korea Town over the issue of gender.

That's right.

Video of spa goers complaining was posted on social media.

I just want to be clear with you.

It's okay for a man to go into the women's

section, show his penis around the other women.

Young, little girls under age.

Your spa.

We spa condone that.

Is that what you're saying? Like I asked, he could stay there.

He could stay there.

Busettual orientation.

I see a ditch.

Police identified the person involved as 52

year old Darren Morager of Riverside County.

Moragor, who has been a registered sex offender since

2006, now faces five felony counts of indecent exposure.

Hello, I'm Congressman Mark Dakano.

Trans month of visibility is a time to recognize the strength,

diversity and resiliency of the transgender community.

Together, we can make our country and our world a more accepting place by speaking out against

transphobia at the source and supporting the trans community by getting the quality acts signed into law.

Congressman, thank you for being here.

Thanks for joining us.

You are the first member of Congress who's a member of

the LGBT community and also a person of Asian descent.

You're also a big proponent of the Equality Act.

Yes.

What is the Equality Act? If you were to just summarize it very briefly, I know it does a lot.

The most simplest way to talk about the Equality Act is that it simply amends

the Civil Rights Act to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

So public accommodations is one area.

What's a way that someone who's LGBT could be discriminated in public accommodations.

Currently, public accommodations is the whole area

of hotels and motels, bathrooms and sports teams.

Is that.

I say bathrooms, sports teams, athletic events.

Let's get into more specific policy issues.

There are some women who say and I've talked to a few who say this.

They say, hey, I'd like some Privacy in the bathroom.

I'd prefer not to encounter naked penises.

Frankly, they say even that the penis is a telltale sign that someone is a male.

There are people really bought into the rumor that only men have penises.

we're talking not about a lot of people.

I think a person who wants to use a woman's bathroom, who identifies

as transgender really does think of themselves as a female.

respect their basic right to live? I think it will be an important part of this law.

Wait a minute.

Bathrooms are where you want to take this conversation instead of the basic right to

dislike is something that I'm kind of mystified that you're kind of not focusing on.

First, we're going straight to the controversy over bathrooms.

So you know what? I think this interview is overview is over.

I just had one last question.

The interview is over.

We want to know what is a woman? Please turn off the camera.

I just wanted to know.

I came all this way to know what they're fair.

Quote, I just wanted to know what is a woman.

My trip to California isn't providing many

answers, but at least I'm making new friends.

Do you worry about kids walking around out here? No, because I

raised two daughters they're two of the most well adjusted adults.

They grew up around naked people.

And there's been studies that have shown that children raised around

non sexual nudity actually have fewer hang ups when they're adults.

People do have hang ups.

There's a lot of things hanging right now during this conversation.

Can anyone be any gender they want to be? Can a man become a

woman if he wants to be what people do? That's personal choice.

People can live the life they want to.

I'm trying to live the life I want to.

An authentic life.

That's why I respect other people's rights to choose what they want to do.

Well, why are you asking the gay man as to what it means to be a woman? You

should be asking women what it means to be women, especially trans women.

Who what it means to be women.

I'm asking all kinds of people.

Can anyone have an opinion about it? Only people who are women.

Gay men don't know nothing about what it means to be a woman.

Have you told gay men here in San Francisco that they're not allowed to talk about

this? No, but it's not like I come around and say what a gay man is allowed to be.

So you're saying if you're not a woman, then you shouldn't have an opinion? Where

does the guy get a right to say what a woman is? Women only know what women are.

Are you a cat? No.

This is actually a genuine mistake.

I'm sorry I even came up here.

Do you want to tell us what a woman is? If my friend in the purple hat is correct

and only women can tell me what a woman is, I guess I need to go where the women are.

Oh, you're at the women's March.

You must have some idea.

So I see girls vagina.

Does that mean that they're the only people who can get pregnant?

If men can get pregnant, too, I think they want the right to choose.

But men can get pregnant.

We're saying someone who was born as a woman

but identifies as a man, that's a real man.

It's a real man.

Yeah.

So men can get pregnant? Yes.

They have the parts.

Is it just women that give birth or is it.

Yeah.

So men could give birth to Dino, but that could be a man or one.

Well, I mean, I think that's the whole point, right? That it's fluid.

The way that we define these things changes a lot.

What are you doing here? I'm asking these questions,

okay? I'm trying to figure out what a woman is.

That's why I'm here.

This is the women's March.

I figured it's a good place to find out.

I've come all this way, ask that question.

Can anyone tell me what a woman is? What is that? Am I ask her a question.

please.

If one person could tell me what a woman is.

Do you guys know what a woman is by any chance? No.

I've been all over America.

I still can't find an answer.

Maybe I'm looking too close to home.

We came a long way to come and talk to you guys thousands of miles from America.

Thank you for inviting us into your tribe.

First of all, I can say it is my pleasure to meet you and feel most welcome.

But you're here to learn with me.

I'm here to learn with you too.

Great.

with the elbow? Yeah.

I mean, they're laughing.

I guess it's not good, but I thought it was pretty good.

Not good enough to be a man yet.

What does a man do? What are his roles within the tribe?

At the role of a man, you need to work for your woman.

Secondly, to have children.

If you have children and you don't have

something to feed them, you are not still a man.

The best raw kidney I've had in my life.

in Masai community? It will not exist at all.

It doesn't exist.

A woman has its own duty and a man has its own duty and a lady cannot

duty the duty of a man and a man cannot do the duty of a woman.

No.

No.

It looks like if you want to become a lady, but

your man, you have something wrong in your mom.

Something wrong in your family.

Something wrong in you.

What about if someone was non binary? Come again? Non binary.

Someone is neither.

he's saying.

We have never seen things like this for a man, he has a penis.

For a woman, he has a vagina.

So we know this is a lady.

This is a man.

People are laughing.

They're just laughing because they have never heard something like that.

This is their first time.

I never heard it before.

A woman has a Penny and she's a woman.

In my country, I can't go day without hearing it.

We hear it every day.

So in my country, sometimes you'll hear people say a

man will say that I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.

And so they say that I have a woman trapped inside.

They want to know a woman has the breast.

Breast.

Secondly, he has a vagina.

Vagina.

And the question is, does this man deliver? Does

he deliver babies? No, not as far as I know.

The question is, let's say if you want to sleep a

woman, definitely you'll do sexy, is it? But for the

man, where do you you ask that question? I don't know

all the logistics of it based on what I'm saying.

She saved a woman, delivered.

A man cannot.

So it sounds like you don't spend a lot of time thinking about gender.

You just kind of live your lives.

You don't think much about it.

It doesn't matter.

He said no because we believe that's a God plan.

God's plan? He's saying that I'm shocked on what you're telling me.

He's shocked? Yeah.

The Messiah.

People don't think much about gender, but they have a firm sense of their identity.

It's clear that gender ideology is a uniquely Western phenomenon.

So where did all this come from? Who came up with

it and why? Matt, I want to show this to you.

You're a parent, right? Okay.

It's perfectly normal for ten years.

for ten and up, huh? It's unspeakable what these people have done to our children.

When did that start? When was it decided that we need to start teaching kids

about this stuff at such a young age? So I'll answer that with one word.

Kinsey.

Kinsey was a social reformer.

He wanted to rid society of JudeoChristian values when it came to

sexuality, and he worked very hard to do that, and I would say he succeeded.

Kinsey would be very happy with our culture today.

His idea was that children are sexual from birth, that

we're all inherently sexual creatures from cradle to grave.

He believed that true happiness is found in a life of

perverse sexual experimentation, no matter the age.

What came out is that his research was fraudulent.

Kinsey based his fraudulent conclusions on data he

collected from convicted sex offenders and child molesters.

His research was conducted in prisons, not everyday America.

He also performed horrific sexual experiments on children, some under the age of one.

His most influential book, Sexual Behavior in the

Human Male, contains an infamous chart called table

34, which documents the orgasms of very young

kids, including babies as young as five months old.

But instead of suffering the consequences for his heinous actions,

he was, and still is, celebrated by academia and Hollywood.

His ideas form the foundation for sexual education and public schools today.

How do we get from this to you can choose your own gender.

Okay, well, now we have another and very important character.

And his name was John Money.

John Money was a psychologist and professor at Johns Hopkins University.

Gender ideology was his brainchild.

In fact, he coined the terms gender identity and gender roles.

And according to Money, babies are gender neutral at birth, and

ultimately, environment determines whether a person is a man or a woman.

Money was telling the world about his theory that a boy

could be raised as a girl and do just fine and vice versa.

And so Money tried out his theory on two young twin boys, the Rhymer Twins,

when the twins were eight months old and they went to be circumcised.

The first twin, whose name was Bruce, something went

wrong with the machinery and his penis was burnt off.

They stopped and didn't do a second circumcision

on the other twin, as you might imagine.

And the parents, of course, didn't know what to do.

How are they going to raise this child? John Money

convinced Bruce's parents to transition him into a girl.

Money also conducted sexually abusive experiments on the twins throughout

their childhood, including forcing them to simulate sex acts on each other.

He reported up to the age of ten that this was a complete success.

Well, it wasn't true.

The results were a disaster.

Bruce could never fully accept his female identity.

Eventually, his parents told him the truth, and he chose

to transition back to a boy, taking the name David.

As an adult, David spoke out about the abuse and the damage done to him by John Money.

The girls would do their things with their barbecues

and things like that, and that wouldn't interest me.

And things such as trucks and rolling forts

and getting to the fist fight, climbing trees.

That's the kind of stuff that I like.

But it was unacceptable.

So I never as a girl, as a girl, I had no place to fit in.

The trauma that he and his brother and his entire family went through left deep scars.

His brother died of an overdose when he was 38, and then David committed suicide.

There was never a retraction or an apology from John Money.

Instead, his ideas were adopted by mainstream psychology,

and they formed the basis of gender ideology today.

Why don't more people know about John Money and offered Kinsey?

Evidently, there are forces that don't want this information out.

I never said I was an Alpha female sales executive.

That kind of just didn't fit in any box.

When psychologists or somebody that I was in love with or whatever said

that I was in the wrong body, I started to think, well, maybe I am.

I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned to

appear like a male through synthetic hormones and surgery.

I will never be a man.

Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth? Why is it then, a couple of hundred years

from now, if you dug up my body, they're going

to go, yeah, that was a woman had babies.

Can you tell me about the procedures that you had? I've had seven surgeries.

I've had one stress heart attack.

I've had a helicopter life ride with pulmonary embolism.

I've had 17 rounds of antibiotics.

I had six inches of hair on the inside of my retrain for 17 months.

Nobody would help me, including the doctor that

did this to me because I lost my insurance.

I get infections every three to four months.

I'm probably not going to live very long.

Was there any real discussion of the risks and the side effects? No, there's not.

And I know that people want to think that there is, but there's not.

The truth is that medical transition is experimental.

We have studies that said that medical transition

helps mental health, helps mental health of kids.

They've all been retracted, modified, changed.

But the only long term study tells us seven to ten years is

when transgender people are the most suicidal after surgery.

But that's transphobic to say for the first time in history, a

marginalized group has a huge dollar sign on the top of their head.

We have five children's hospitals in the United States promoting that.

That's a paleoplasty.

That's a bottom surgery.

We have five children's hospitals in the United States

telling girls that they can be boys at $70,000 a

pop in a surgery that has a 67% complication rate

that will kill me from infection that I can't sue on.

We're butchering a generation of children

because nobody's willing to talk about anything.

I have three kids at the age that they're doing this to kids.

I'm not transphobic.

I love my kids and I love other people's kids.

And you should, too.

This is wrong on so many levels.

Can kids consent? Do you think kids are

capable of consenting to that? No, they're not.

Being a parent is loving the hell out of your kids and helping them see around corners what's the

youngest patient that you've operated on? The youngest

patient I've done vaginal plastic on is age 16.

Do you worry that minors just don't understand enough about themselves? They're not

neurologically developed enough yet to make

permit life altering decisions? Absolutely not.

A young person's self perception.

One day they may be clear, the next day they may be totally confused and not sure.

And you're affirming it with hormones that have

never been used in this way in the field of medicine.

You're talking about puberty blockers blockers and then opposite sex hormones.

What age does the medical transition begin with medication.

So medical affirmation begins when the patient says they're ready for it.

So that could be a kiddo who is just starting puberty

and panicking because they're getting breast buds

or their penis is getting bigger and busier and

they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes.

And that way puberty blockers, which are completely reversible and don't have

permanent effects, are wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty.

It's like if you were listening to music, you put the pause on and we

stopped the blockers and puberty would go right back to where it was.

The next note in the song just delayed that period of time.

You can just pause puberty.

No, you can't and then pick it up.

No, you can't.

In the future.

No, you can't.

How many studies do they have? Long term

studies on hormone blockers with children? None.

I just spoke a month or two ago with a mother

whose 14 year old daughter was put on blockers.

They discovered after two years, this 14 year old girl has osteoporosis.

That's something that like old women get.

How can doctors assure parents that a certain medicine is totally

safe? Based on what you're saying, they can't possibly know that.

How can they be removing the healthy breaths of 15 year old girls? How can they be sterilizing kids? How can this

whole thing be happening? Matt, every child that they

convince is transgender and in need of medical transition.

It generates $1.3 million to Pharma.

And we're believing a pharmaceutical company, loopron hormone blockers, reversible.

So they say, well, the truth is that in 2003, Lupron was

sued and deemed a criminal enterprise by the US government.

They paid the most fine of any pharmaceutical company at that time.

$874,000,000 wrote a check.

Is Lupron chemical castration? Yes.

We're giving it to Pedophiles, aren't we? We're giving it to people that are dying

and we're giving it to kids telling them that they were born in the wrong body.

And it's completely safe.

One of the drugs used as Lupron.

Right.

Which has actually been used to chemically pass rate sex offenders.

You know what? I'm not sure that we should continue with this

interview because it seems like it's going in a particular direction.

Well, you're a medical professional.

I am a medical professional.

So you don't want to talk about the drugs that you give

to kids? Again, I'm a physician and I use medication.

You're choosing exploitive words, drugs I give to you.

I'm choosing a chemical word that was in a dictionary.

That's not a correct term for puberty blocking.

I could look it up on my phone, but I'm pretty sure

if I looked it up, you can look it up on your phone.

It says medical definition, the administration of a drug to bring about a Mark

reduction in the body's production of androgens and especially testosterone.

And I'm saying as a pediatrician who takes care of hundreds of these

kids, when you use that terminology, you were being malignant and harmful.

There are some who would say that giving chemical

castration drugs to kids is malignant and harmful.

It's about the context of caring for a child and seeing the suffering

that kids can have that have not been in affirmative home situations.

What do you say to the claim that we have to do this for

these kids? Because if we don't, they'll kill themselves.

They'll resort to drugs and self harm.

A lot of them were hurting themselves.

A lot of them were suicidal before they even discovered gender.

That is never part of the discussion.

And they say, what would you rather have? A living daughter or a dead son? If

this is what the professionals are saying, it's terrible emotional blackmail.

Hello? Hey, is this.

This is.

Yes.

Hey, it's Matt Walsh.

Where are you right now.

I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, right now.

Are you able to leave? I'm not able to leave BC.

I can't even go to another province in Canada right now.

And it's because I'm technically out on bail.

how exactly did this get into the courts to begin with? Right.

So what happened is we set up a meeting with BC Children's Hospital, and according

to the BC Children's Hospital website, there's going to be a thorough evaluation.

And I'm thinking, good.

This is going to be the end of it all.

You're going to clearly see that my child is not the opposite sex.

So my ex wife brings my child into VC Children's Hospital.

I get a call less than an hour into that appointment is that they were going

to pump or pull across sex hormones within the hour, and I put a halt to that.

I said no.

They agreed to stop for the moment.

They figured, well, let's get the dad on board to you.

This is all going to be better.

Let's just get everybody on the same page.

I said it's not going to happen.

So I get a letter from BC Children's Hospital in December of 2018, and it says that

under the BC Infants Act, they will start injecting my child with cross sex hormones.

And I have two weeks to respond with legal action if I still choose.

And so that's how I ended up in court, because I did respond with legal action.

So you called your daughter she and you went to jail for that.

It's considered criminal violence to not use the preferred pronouns.

It's no different than, let's say I were to take a

broomstick and whack one of my kids over the head.

So they were treating it in a similar fashion.

That misgendering.

Mispronouncing my child was the equivalent of family violence.

Is she on the hormone pills now? She is.

The court ordered that she could do whatever she wanted 2010 until

I would say 2016, I would say 80% of my clients were trans youth.

Now it is.

You identify, you take hormones, you do surgery.

There isn't any other pathways.

So if you have two parents, one parent wants to

affirm the trans identity, the other parent doesn't.

Who wins that battle? The one who wants to affirm every time.

Every single time.

The goal is to get the parents to affirm the kid.

There's no such thing as a gender affirming therapist.

That's a contradiction in terms.

Why? Because you don't affirm.

If you're a therapist, it's not your business to affirm.

You come to see me because there's something wrong.

Maybe you come to see me because a destructive

element of you is wreaking havoc in your life.

I'm on the side of the part of you that wants to aim up, man.

That's what I'm on the side of.

Okay? Now, I don't know what that means.

In your case, we're going to talk about it.

Am I going to affirm what you think? No, it's not up to me to affirm it.

You don't get a casual pad on the back from a

therapist for your pre existing axiomatic conclusions.

That's not therapy.

That's a rubber stamp.

Is anybody at any point explaining to these kids the real long term consequences

of hormones and puberty blockers? I don't think they're explaining it to the kids.

That has frightened me that it's become that

we're even talking to the kids about it at ten.

We're presenting it in schools.

So this generation, they're the labyrinths biological sex binary.

It's been binary for like 100 million years longer than that.

Temperament is not binary.

Temperamental personality.

So it's gender.

Temperament is gender.

Well, gender is not a good word because it's vague and it isn't measurable.

So do we need it? Why can we just say temperament? What do we even need

the word gender for? Well, I don't need it, but what I would say is that

people who talk about the diversity and gender are actually talking

about diversity and personality and temperament, but they don't know it.

You can have a masculine temperament if you're a woman, maybe one in ten women have

the average temperament of a man and you can have feminine men temperamentally.

And it's not that uncommon because the differences

between men and women temperamentally aren't that great.

There are masculine girls.

There are feminine boys.

What are we going to do about that? Carve them up? You as someone

who started your professional life, you know, transgender care.

Yeah.

Now you're sitting here talking to me and I'm a dangerous man.

I've been told.

Are you worried about reprisals? Are you worried about how this is going to play among

your professional peers? I am worried that I

can't have conversations with any other peers.

I don't know any other peer that will speak

to me around these things, that question it.

I just don't think developmentally this is helpful to our children.

You step wrong as a therapist.

You say the wrong thing once and your bloody career

is over and now it's the same with physicians.

How's that going to work? You're going to go have

an honest conversation with your physician when he's

terrified out of his mind if he'll say something

politically incorrect during the diagnostic process.

Hey, man, you're sick with whatever you want to be.

See you later.

You want a prescription for something? I left

academia because the climate had become too stifling

politically, especially when it comes to the topic

of gender identity and the science of gender.

It is absolutely impossible to do good research.

You basically have to decide beforehand what you're

going to find so that you don't upset activists.

And that is not how you do science.

Why has this shift occurred where all of a sudden

gender and sex has become so politically and

culturally charged? There's a really ugly history

between sex researchers and transgender activists.

In the past, if any sex researcher spoke out about science that went against activist orthodoxy or particular narratives

that activists wanted to promote, they would basically

have their personal and professional reputations ruined.

So what you see is that only experts who toe

the party line and say the things that activists

like, those are the people who get attention, those

are the people who get lifted up in the media.

And also, I would say people are incentivized to go along with the

activist narratives and gender ideology because that helps their career.

Trans is very cool.

Trans is a way of giving yourself value.

Given the way society at the moment is functioning.

All of the things that used to give us anchors of identity

have become very fluid or very volatile in recent years.

And in that context, I think what you find then is

new identities start to fill the void of the vacuum.

Whereas in the past I might have got my sense of self worth from

being part of the village where I grew up, now I might get my

sense of self worth through being part of the online community

that I connect with or part of the sexual identity community.

So now we are seeing kids that are identifying as animals going

to school, and they are purring instead of answering questions.

And they Meow and the teachers are not allowed to

question it because it's considered a queer identity.

So you have kids that are going to school and they're saying,

I'm a cat, and the teachers have to affirm them as a cat.

Yes.

Literal zoos.

Now, basically they are I am a 27 year old transgender woman.

I am a Wolf theory and a member of the Furry fandom.

When and how did you discover this inner wolfness? Probably around age ten or eleven.

I was watching an anime about Wolves and see the Wolf running across

the screen, and I'm somehow just intrinsically like, oh, that's me.

Have you spent any time around biological Wolves? Yes.

That sounds dangerous.

Also, what context are you? So I was a volunteer with

a preserve, and I've also visited many Wolf preserves.

Are you able to communicate with the Wolf? Am I going to have a conversation

with a Wolf in the way that I'm communicating? You and I obviously not.

Am I going to read their body language, respond appropriately

to their behaviors and their nonverbal cues? Yes.

Would you be able to give us an example of this Wolf

communication? No, I'm not comfortable doing so.

Okay.

All right.

How exactly have these ideas become pervasive? First of

all, I think we need to remember that in the west, at least,

we have it drilled into our minds from childhood onwards

that personal happiness is the key to individual flourishing.

Secondly, we think of ourselves in psychological terms.

I am my feelings.

And in order for me to be happy, I have to be able to express my feelings.

I have to be outwardly that which I feel myself to be inwardly.

Thirdly, we're taught that interfering with somebody else's happiness is very bad.

We need to acknowledge that there are powerful lobby groups,

powerful cultural and political lobby groups driving this thing.

Hollywood is pressing LGBTQ plus matters in so many movies.

We're seeing it in the way Amazon sets up its algorithms.

There are all kinds of factors in society that

are pushing what would really be numerically a

fairly minority interest into being one of the

main political focal points of this generation.

After my operation, I will be a woman.

Why can't she just be a lesbian? Because she's not a lesbian mom.

She's a boy.

Because I was born in a girl's body.

Can I ask you a question? Why don't you kiss me? The whole idea of social contagion, that there could be

something in one social environment that could play

some role in somebody coming out identifying as trans.

Would you say that that is definitely part of your story?

When I look back, I don't think I would have ever even

considered seeing myself as a boy without these social aspects,

especially if I hadn't joined these online communities.

I identify as non binary.

I'll officially be changing my pronouns to theyh them.

My pronouns are Dhamm and demonstrate selfs.

I've been going by they them pronouns for four years now.

I'm pretty comfortable pronounced.

There was literally a period of a few weeks to a few months.

I started out as an ally, and then eventually

I was starting to identify as transgender.

We are transmitted.

So they go on the Internet and they're told that all

their problems will be solved if they become a man.

Kids are being taught.

You might feel like you're a boy, even if you have a

vagina and you're a girl, you are what you feel you are.

Some people are girls, some are boys, some are both, some are neither.

Gender is all about how we feel on the inside and how we express ourselves.

Ah, the gender fluid teacher.

What do I go by in the classroom? I go by teacher fan BRAINI.

As a queer and trans teacher, my agenda is to

show little boys that they don't have to be like

esteriotypically masculine, that they can paint

their nails and wear earrings and still be a guy.

And it can be cool.

Do you worry that there could be a sort of social contagion element of

this? A teeny tiny bit, maybe? Looking back on it, it was the same pattern.

Just kids who were really struggling, kids who were very alone and isolated.

They have anxiety.

They don't fit in with their peers.

They don't know where they belong.

Maybe they didn't have a welcoming family life.

They just got caught up in these communities online.

Then they discover, hey, there's this group of people and they also don't fit in.

They're different.

They're not sure who they are.

Gee, that's where I fit in.

Today is the day before my top surgery.

I am waking up tomorrow at 05:00 A.m.

To have a subcutaneous mastectomy.

We're telling children when they haven't fully developed that

all you have to do is medically transition and you fit in.

I was one of those kids.

It got me at 42.

Your child doesn't have a chance.

This is only going in one direction.

You will respect us as parents come to understand more about gender identity.

Kids are coming out at younger ages.

It's exciting.

And you know who gets it right is the next generation.

The next generation who's already telling us that our antiquated

ideas of things have to be a certain way just don't apply to them.

They're rejecting a lot of our social mores.

They are tweaking the system.

I just don't think it's realistic to put this decision on them.

I'm a physician and I use medication.

Certainly.

It's a bit of a Faustian bargain.

Puberty blockers, which are completely reversible.

You keep invoking the word truth, which is condescending.

And Ruth, some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas.

Does the chicken cry? Does a chicken commit suicide?

I'm not a woman, but I can't really answer that.

I guess because I got it there.

Somehow this madness has affected our entire society.

Am I the crazy one? I'm done asking questions.

Tanner Cross is on administrative leave for what he said about gender identity.

He said he would not call a student who is transgender by their preferred pronoun.

I can't lie to children, and I got to also represent a whole community that

believes in biological facts and scientific facts, and I can't do that to kids.

You get into teaching because you love kids.

This policy started coming into play and I was like, wait a minute, it's causing me.

I'm going to have to lie to my kids the ones I've always wanted to protect.

Do we have assaults in our bathrooms and our locker rooms regularly? To my

knowledge, we don't have any records of assaults occurring in our restroom.

The predator transgender student is or person.

Simply, it does not exist.

The Virginia Department of Education says it is now reviewing whether the

Loudon County School District has properly reported cases of sexual assault.

This comes after a 15 year old was charged on two separate occasions

for assaulting two different students at different schools.

Dozens rallying Center Loudon County to protest the school's policies.

So that includes limiting who can talk during

public comment portions of board meetings.

One speaker leased property in the area just so he could speak.

Tonight, Fox Five Paris Jones'live with the details.

That's right.

Conservative commentator Matt Wallace told me he's leasing

out someone's basement in Loudoun County so he'd be able

to speak during tonight's meeting, I decided last week to

fulfill my lifelong dream of being a Loudon County resident.

I've always felt like I lived in Tennessee.

I felt sort of like a Virginian trapped in a Tennessee.

In his body, I identified sort of state fluid, I guess.

This is Matt Wall, she tweeted.

How do you do, fellow Virginians? Now I just got explained to my

wife and kids that we're going to be staying in someone's basement.

They tried to muzzle me by not allowing me to speak, and

when that didn't work, they tried to muzzle me with a mask.

I would thank you all for allowing me to speak

to you tonight, but you tried not to allow it.

Yet here I am.

Now, you only give us 60 seconds.

So let me get to the point.

You are all child abusers.

You prey upon impressionable children and indoctrinate

them into your insane ideological cult, a cult

which holds many fanatical views, but none so deranged

as the idea that boys are girls and girls or boys.

By imposing this vile nonsense on students to the

point even of forcing young girls to share locker rooms

with boys, you deprive these kids of safety and Privacy

and something more fundamental, too, which is truth.

If education is not grounded in truth, then it is worthless.

Worse, it is poison.

You are poison.

You are predators.

I can see why you try to stop us from speaking.

You know that your ideas are indefensible.

You silence the opposing side because you have no argument.

You can only hide under your beds like pathetic

little gutless cowards, hoping we shut up and go away.

But we won't, I promise you that.

Johnny is a boy with a big imagination.

One day he's a dog, the next day a crustacean Johnny's mom loves her son's.

Make believe time you're Johnny the Walrus till you change your mind.

Matt Walsh is out with a new children's book.

The book is called Johnny the Walrus.

What is this about? It's sold out on Amazon in a few hours.

I have embraced my true calling as a children's author, hence the cardigan.

The book is about a little boy who is very imaginative and playful.

I have four kids and they all have an imagination and he likes to

pretend to be different things, and one day he pretends to be a walrus.

And unfortunately, his mother is very progressive and thus confused.

And so she's convinced by the Internet and by society that if your

child is identifying as something, then he really is that thing.

And so she tries to raise her child as a walrus, as

a sort of trans walrus, respecting his self identity.

One morning he came downstairs barking and clapping wood spoons

for tusks and sock, fins of flapping it spoons his mouth.

He's pretending to be a walrus.

I'm Johnny the Walrus, he said with Aurora.

Johnny the Walrus.

This is a hot topic.

That's a good thing, right? Yeah, absolutely.

It's good for us to have these conversations.

People open their minds and relearn and unlearn to what we've been taught.

So I want this to be a safe place to talk about and learn.

As you can see, there's an ongoing evolution of language and how people can identify.

My next guest, author and conservative host of Daily

The Matt Walsh Show, talking about his recently

published children's book that has since been

removed online by a popular large retail chain.

Now, Matt says gender is not a social construct, but rooted firmly in biology.

True, true.

As human beings, we have a sex, male or

female, but it's a biological, scientific fact.

Now, gender is a linguistic term.

Words have gender.

People don't you can have whatever self perception

you want, but you can't expect me to take

part in that self perception or to take part in

this kind of charade, this theatrical production.

You don't get your own pronouns, just like you don't

get your own prepositions or your own adjectives.

It's like if I were to tell you my adjectives are handsome and brilliant.

And whatever you're talking about me, you have to describe

me as handsome and brilliant because that's how I identify.

So you think it's a delusion? Well, this is one of the problems with this left wing

gender ideology is that no one who espouses

it can even tell you what these words means.

Like what is a woman? Can you tell me what a woman is? No, I can't.

Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term.

It includes people that describes what people who identify as a woman.

What is that? What's to each their own.

Each man, each person is going to have a different relation

with their own gender identity and define it differently.

You want to reduce women.

You want to reduce men down to maybe just

their genetics, our genitals, our chromosomes.

Right? That's what you want to do.

What you want to do is appropriate woman.

You want to appropriate womanhood and turn it

into basically a costume that could be worn.

Joining us on stage is Dr.

Susie Denbo, associate professor at Kent State University.

Doctor Denbo, how do you feel those who oppose using pronouns are

taking the wrong approach in this conversation? There's the extreme

approach that you are admittedly taking, and then there's also just

ordinary people that might not be comfortable with the language change.

She began by saying that my view is extreme.

Okay.

So the view that every single person on Earth

has held up until 15 seconds ago is extreme.

They are conflating gender and sex because on one hand, they say, well, you

got your biological sex, but then your gender is whatever social construct.

But then they turn around and say that trans women are women.

So a man who identifies with the gender, the

social construct of womanhood actually is a woman

part of me wants to ask why you care so much,

because it's really not that big of a deal.

I care about the truth.

So basic truth matters.

I want to live in a society where people care about the truth.

I care about children, and these insane ideas about gender

are being foisted on kids, and that bothers me quite a bit.

I care about the women who are having their opportunities stolen from them.

I care quite a bit.

Yeah.

I wanted us to have a safe place to be able to talk about this.

And it seems like we should just keep the dialogue

going and hopefully find some middle ground.

What do you say to parents? A parent comes to you and

says, My eight year old son is telling me he's a girl.

Great, you're going to have him do an experimental procedure that creates the most

suicidal ideation of any other population seven to ten years after transition.

And here's what I tell parents.

You don't have the right to medically transition your child.

We have no research on long term hormone use.

We will be seeing the first generation of long term hormone use.

And we already know, at least with ten years

of hormones, you're giving yourself cancer.

What's your message to parents who are trying to cope with

this? The first thing is to tell parents that they're not alone.

It is our responsibility as a parent to be the front line defense for our children.

And I know with my child, a lot of people will say,

Was it worth it because you now seemingly have lost

your child? And I'll say, yeah, but at least I saved

my conscience and my morals and my convictions.

And when my child turns 25 and says, dad, where were you? I'll say, I was there.

I was fighting as hard as I could.

I was not prepared to let this happen.

This really matters is another question matters for those

who are getting double mastectomies when they're 16.

Why should we care if we live in a society where

gender is? Well, I cared because my government decided

that I had to call people by the terms that they

designated or I'd be subject to legal penalties.

It's like, no, I'm not doing that.

I don't care what your reason is.

You don't get control of my tongue.

We live in a climate now in which no one seems to care about the safety of women and

girls who are going through a very developmentally challenging time in their lives.

They may not want to share spaces with their male peers.

I would not be surprised.

In a few years, there will no longer be women's sports.

It will literally be men's sports and transgender sports.

The question being asked by the trans person is a legitimate one.

How can I be happy? The answer being given by having my body transformed

to look like the other gender, by having myself pumped full of hormones

clearly isn't working, and we have to find a better and the more humane

way of dealing with individuals who are struggling with gender dysphoria.

I have the utmost compassion for people who suffer from gender dysphoria.

It's a nightmare for them and their families.

The vast majority, up to 90% of kids.

If they go through a normal puberty, they're going to be okay.

They will be at peace with their bodies, and they will have avoided

dangerous and experimental medical interventions and surgeries.

Maybe we're up against a battle here, up against a Hill

that perhaps we're not going to necessarily win today.

But if we don't pave the way for a win, we'll never get there.

So we're going on this journey.

Boys can be girls.

Girls can be boys.

Men can be women.

Women can be men.

It makes me wonder, what is a woman? What is a woman? A woman is someone

who claims that as their identity, it could be many things to many people.

I think the question really brings up the fact that it is pretty relative, right? That if you ask

women across race, across identities, across class,

across culture, you will get a different answer.

Some of it is based on biology, some of it is based on hormones.

Some of it is based on what you wear and how you present yourself.

A woman is not anything in particular.

There's no one particular thing.

There is not one particular thing.

A woman is someone who says that she is a woman and transitions to be a woman.

She says that she's what? Can you define the word woman without

using the word woman? Actually kind of like it's a curious question.

We've been journeying across the country asking

people this question, and almost nobody can answer it.

What is a woman? What is a woman? Marry one and find out.

So I should go home and ask my wife, I guess.

Yeah.

I mean, to ask you something.

Can you provide a definition for the word woman?

Can I provide a definition? Yeah, I can't.

You can't not in this context.

I'm not in biology of the word woman is so unclear

and controversial that you can't give me a definition.

Senator, in my work as a judge, what I do is I address disputes.

If there's a dispute about a definition, people make arguments and I

look at the law and I decide the fact that you can't give me a straight

answer about something as fundamental as what a woman is underscores the

dangers of the kind of progressive education that we are hearing about.

Just last week, an entire generation of young

girls watched as our taxpayer funded institutions

permitted a biological man to compete and beat a

biological woman in the NCAA swimming Championships.

Senator.

I'm not sure what message that sends.

If you're asking me about the legal issues related to it.

Those are topics that are being hotly discussed.

As you say could come to the court.