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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:03,943 --> 00:01:07,863 Those who will be born later, the others won't forget. 2 00:01:08,263 --> 00:01:10,743 Everything we learned can be told. 3 00:01:12,183 --> 00:01:14,879 Speaking in a secretly inherited language 4 00:01:14,903 --> 00:01:18,463 of transhumance, craftswomen, Amazons and witches. 5 00:01:19,143 --> 00:01:21,263 History, our history, is told inward, 6 00:01:22,023 --> 00:01:23,063 but you have come here, 7 00:01:23,423 --> 00:01:26,503 moved by a desire that will allow you to listen. 8 00:01:28,103 --> 00:01:30,263 Our desire does not know the law of the World 9 00:01:30,503 --> 00:01:32,903 already forgotten while being learned. 10 00:01:34,823 --> 00:01:39,903 Clarity was imposed on us, and yet we grew up in mystery. 11 00:01:41,743 --> 00:01:44,399 If I take us out from this absurd light of the day 12 00:01:44,423 --> 00:01:46,663 that leaves no folds, and I rescue the night, 13 00:01:46,863 --> 00:01:50,183 who will fear more? You or I? 14 00:01:52,463 --> 00:01:56,319 Those born after us will cast a sigh towards me, 15 00:01:56,343 --> 00:02:00,303 who loved with profound determination, towards you, my desire. 16 00:03:02,623 --> 00:03:07,623 OTHERNESS 17 00:03:15,863 --> 00:03:17,903 Good morning! 18 00:03:22,103 --> 00:03:24,143 Let's have breakfast. Are you hungry? 19 00:03:25,303 --> 00:03:27,463 Look at this nice breakfast we prepared. 20 00:03:27,583 --> 00:03:29,063 Like every day... 21 00:03:29,863 --> 00:03:31,143 Look how good it is. 22 00:03:37,263 --> 00:03:40,023 It's coming. But look, you have one in there already. 23 00:03:40,143 --> 00:03:41,623 Look at this. 24 00:03:45,943 --> 00:03:48,063 What is it? Yes! 25 00:03:48,183 --> 00:03:49,503 This juice is so good. 26 00:03:49,623 --> 00:03:51,423 - Huh? - This juice is really good. 27 00:03:51,543 --> 00:03:54,503 Yes, strawberry and orange is a good combination. 28 00:03:54,823 --> 00:03:55,863 We should make more. 29 00:03:56,023 --> 00:03:58,183 We're going to Mirador del Migdia. Do you want to come? 30 00:03:58,663 --> 00:04:00,343 - I wanted to work. - Work? 31 00:04:00,463 --> 00:04:02,503 To do some coursework and all this. 32 00:04:05,263 --> 00:04:08,143 And if I have time I'll go to the pool for a moment, 33 00:04:08,863 --> 00:04:11,103 and pay and say we're not going today. 34 00:04:12,743 --> 00:04:17,023 Well, today our cutie pie starts swimming. 35 00:04:17,143 --> 00:04:21,783 And we have a situation that Carla will luckily manage. 36 00:04:21,903 --> 00:04:26,183 And that is, for me, of course, going to a swimming pool... 37 00:04:26,983 --> 00:04:29,143 Changing rooms and all of that is something… 38 00:04:29,263 --> 00:04:32,783 we were talking about transition, of the different phases… 39 00:04:33,263 --> 00:04:36,063 I suppose there will be a day when I will dare to it. 40 00:04:36,183 --> 00:04:39,823 In fact I have already been in a women's locker room once. 41 00:04:39,943 --> 00:04:41,063 There in Tarrega. 42 00:04:41,183 --> 00:04:43,703 - But of course it's a... - Accompanied by people you knew. 43 00:04:43,823 --> 00:04:47,303 - Accompanied by people I knew. - And LGBTI people. 44 00:04:47,423 --> 00:04:49,023 Yes, it was an environment... 45 00:04:49,143 --> 00:04:50,783 There were more trans people around there, 46 00:04:50,903 --> 00:04:53,503 it was an easy environment. 47 00:04:54,623 --> 00:04:58,263 But, of course, it's a part of the upbringing 48 00:04:58,383 --> 00:05:01,703 that I'm sadly missing out. 49 00:05:01,823 --> 00:05:05,383 And at the same time, well... some burden that I can't take on, 50 00:05:05,503 --> 00:05:07,943 it has both things: It is something 51 00:05:08,063 --> 00:05:10,503 that Carla must take care of right now 52 00:05:10,623 --> 00:05:11,783 and that I'm missing out. 53 00:05:11,903 --> 00:05:14,423 I mean, because being in a swimming pool... 54 00:05:15,103 --> 00:05:21,663 You'll have a great time. So much fun. 55 00:05:27,183 --> 00:05:31,903 Okay, I keep the little one, thanks. Very generous of you. 56 00:05:35,663 --> 00:05:37,383 I find it very amusing to be able to say 57 00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:39,503 that the child has two biological mothers. 58 00:05:39,783 --> 00:05:44,183 People don't get it, it's so funny. Two biological mothers, how? 59 00:05:44,703 --> 00:05:46,023 Open your mind! 60 00:05:46,143 --> 00:05:51,463 We said this to a lady in Mallorca. We told her, "Open your mind!" 61 00:05:51,583 --> 00:05:54,823 And she said, "But how, what are you saying?" 62 00:05:54,983 --> 00:05:56,463 So funny... 63 00:05:56,583 --> 00:05:59,783 Because that lady… I think she never saw me 64 00:05:59,903 --> 00:06:02,623 as trans, that rarely happens, 65 00:06:02,743 --> 00:06:05,423 but sometimes happens that people don't see me as trans. 66 00:06:09,143 --> 00:06:10,623 Well, it is like this. 67 00:06:10,943 --> 00:06:12,703 We are two dykes, who were lucky 68 00:06:12,823 --> 00:06:14,663 that we didn't have to go through... 69 00:06:15,183 --> 00:06:19,063 Through the whole reproductive process, right? 70 00:06:19,543 --> 00:06:21,623 The in vitro and all of that… Well… 71 00:06:21,823 --> 00:06:23,623 Assisted reproduction. 72 00:07:03,623 --> 00:07:06,943 In Canada I first looked like straight, 73 00:07:07,063 --> 00:07:09,783 because I had long hair, when I cut my hair, 74 00:07:09,903 --> 00:07:11,063 suddenly I was a lesbian. 75 00:07:12,063 --> 00:07:16,303 Suddenly I have long hair again, I'm straight, so... 76 00:07:16,783 --> 00:07:19,343 I didn't stop. Are we judging people by their haircuts? 77 00:07:23,623 --> 00:07:28,223 In fact, when I cut my hair, I couldn't stop flirting. 78 00:07:28,663 --> 00:07:30,903 So heavy. 79 00:07:31,503 --> 00:07:33,263 They see me as an Indian person. 80 00:07:33,383 --> 00:07:35,463 They don't see me as a person 81 00:07:36,103 --> 00:07:39,543 whose sexuality they can say straight-forwardly that is straight, 82 00:07:40,223 --> 00:07:43,983 because queer gay or lesbian people don't exist in India. 83 00:07:44,463 --> 00:07:46,903 According to many people, and that's not true. 84 00:07:47,023 --> 00:07:50,663 In fact, India has been colonized, has been destroyed 85 00:07:50,783 --> 00:07:56,143 by the colonization of white people, oppressed…, 86 00:07:56,263 --> 00:08:00,063 in every issue related to sexuality in India, 87 00:08:00,783 --> 00:08:03,263 and India was a very queer place, 88 00:08:03,383 --> 00:08:08,303 very gay, very lesbian before this. 89 00:08:08,703 --> 00:08:11,183 The femphobia is very strong. 90 00:08:12,303 --> 00:08:15,423 I don't know, it is pure hatred towards women. 91 00:08:15,543 --> 00:08:16,743 Being a lesbian person, 92 00:08:16,863 --> 00:08:19,583 I don't understand how they can have femphobia in a way. 93 00:08:19,983 --> 00:08:25,223 How can you hate women to be women 94 00:08:25,343 --> 00:08:30,063 the way they want to be, and then go to bed with women? 95 00:08:30,183 --> 00:08:34,783 I don't understand, but well, it's something that I don't... 96 00:08:34,903 --> 00:08:37,343 I don't regret it that much anymore. 97 00:08:37,463 --> 00:08:39,823 When I was young I wanted 98 00:08:41,023 --> 00:08:42,743 to refuse this fem part. 99 00:08:42,863 --> 00:08:47,143 If they don't like that I'm fem now, go to hell, you know? 100 00:08:47,703 --> 00:08:51,183 These are things that I'm not worried about right now. 101 00:09:30,743 --> 00:09:32,663 It's so funny that you're making a second… 102 00:09:32,823 --> 00:09:36,343 a second impression of me, you know? 103 00:09:36,983 --> 00:09:38,103 It's so cool. 104 00:09:50,863 --> 00:09:52,503 - It is moving. - Yeah, 105 00:09:53,223 --> 00:09:57,423 maybe the caliber of the plate is not so good. 106 00:10:00,063 --> 00:10:04,423 Well, it's a 3D that is organically weird, hard to print. 107 00:10:06,183 --> 00:10:07,663 It's gonna be pretty basic. 108 00:10:08,503 --> 00:10:10,503 Basically what happens to me is that my whole life… 109 00:10:10,583 --> 00:10:12,183 has been an experiment. 110 00:10:13,303 --> 00:10:19,903 I always considered myself a cyborg because I never did what was expected, 111 00:10:20,023 --> 00:10:23,903 neither for a woman nor for a man nor for... 112 00:10:24,063 --> 00:10:27,423 I mean neither for a lesbian woman nor for... 113 00:10:28,463 --> 00:10:31,663 So, my life has always been an experiment 114 00:10:31,943 --> 00:10:35,023 in which I have brought my body to the extreme, 115 00:10:35,663 --> 00:10:40,103 I have experimented to the maximum everything I could, by putting... 116 00:10:40,503 --> 00:10:44,423 objects inside my body, 117 00:10:46,223 --> 00:10:50,703 taking my body to the extreme at a level of pain, for example. 118 00:10:51,263 --> 00:10:56,463 And all of this, for me, is what makes up a cyborg entity and a trans entity 119 00:10:57,703 --> 00:11:00,223 that likes to experiment. 120 00:11:05,743 --> 00:11:06,823 How do you see yourself? 121 00:11:07,623 --> 00:11:09,983 Aligned. 122 00:11:12,823 --> 00:11:15,383 Well, it could be any girl, though. 123 00:11:18,223 --> 00:11:19,423 Compare her to the other one. 124 00:11:19,663 --> 00:11:20,703 Yes. 125 00:11:23,863 --> 00:11:26,063 The most stable thing in my life is change. 126 00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:31,063 I love it. 127 00:11:33,103 --> 00:11:34,903 Yes, 2019 - 2022. 128 00:11:35,703 --> 00:11:36,703 Yes. 129 00:11:41,423 --> 00:11:44,023 Missing the curly moment in between. 130 00:12:15,143 --> 00:12:19,663 What made me run away from the city was, on the one hand, 131 00:12:19,783 --> 00:12:22,943 a very big feeling of emptiness that I had at that moment. 132 00:12:23,223 --> 00:12:26,423 This whole political world I was in… 133 00:12:26,543 --> 00:12:31,063 Assemblies, activities and so on, they didn't fulfill me. 134 00:12:31,183 --> 00:12:34,703 I didn't feel that it made me happy. 135 00:12:34,823 --> 00:12:35,823 I felt empty, you know. 136 00:12:35,943 --> 00:12:39,503 Also the relationships… Even though I shared with a lot of people, 137 00:12:39,623 --> 00:12:42,623 these relationships were not deep. In the end... 138 00:12:43,392 --> 00:12:45,632 they were quite concrete. 139 00:12:45,985 --> 00:12:48,025 With my friends, of course, but... 140 00:12:48,505 --> 00:12:52,625 The rest, we would meet to carry out activities 141 00:12:52,745 --> 00:12:56,785 and then I knew almost nothing about the other person. 142 00:12:57,785 --> 00:13:03,185 And I felt it like an internal call to go towards... 143 00:13:03,305 --> 00:13:04,385 the countryside. 144 00:13:27,185 --> 00:13:33,345 Get out of there. Get out! Go outside. 145 00:13:35,905 --> 00:13:36,945 Shall I do that? 146 00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:41,065 A little kick here and there. 147 00:13:43,025 --> 00:13:47,025 I mean, I also like to be mistaken for a boy. 148 00:13:48,145 --> 00:13:53,065 I find it very funny when the ladies tell me, 149 00:13:53,185 --> 00:13:56,825 "Hey, boy!" And... I like it. 150 00:13:56,945 --> 00:13:59,265 I mean, it doesn't bother me. 151 00:13:59,985 --> 00:14:02,465 It also seems 152 00:14:03,185 --> 00:14:05,945 that when this happens to you, when they confuse your gender, 153 00:14:06,065 --> 00:14:08,505 it's like the worst thing that can happen to you, 154 00:14:08,625 --> 00:14:09,785 that they say to you. 155 00:14:10,265 --> 00:14:17,705 In the sense of getting out, from that identity, from that role. 156 00:14:18,105 --> 00:14:23,065 Have you ever thought about taking hormones or microtransitioning or similar? 157 00:14:23,545 --> 00:14:28,785 Well I think that if I were in the more urban context, 158 00:14:29,665 --> 00:14:37,065 the fact of transiting or taking hormones would have been surely… 159 00:14:37,505 --> 00:14:38,585 easier, you know? 160 00:14:38,705 --> 00:14:40,425 And maybe I would be on that path, 161 00:14:40,545 --> 00:14:45,065 but also because the context always conditions, you know? 162 00:14:45,825 --> 00:14:50,785 And it always can push you to look, 163 00:14:50,905 --> 00:14:52,825 to try. 164 00:14:54,665 --> 00:14:56,385 But the truth is that... 165 00:14:56,945 --> 00:15:02,185 Well, I like the way I am, I have no need to change. 166 00:15:21,705 --> 00:15:25,945 More milk. I need more milk, it's too thick. 167 00:15:26,465 --> 00:15:28,665 - More milk? - Yes, it's too thick. 168 00:15:29,425 --> 00:15:30,425 More milk, more milk. 169 00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:33,785 Pour a good amount. 170 00:15:34,785 --> 00:15:35,945 A good stream. 171 00:15:37,225 --> 00:15:38,225 Enough. 172 00:15:54,585 --> 00:15:56,145 This can go… 173 00:16:04,425 --> 00:16:08,265 We are neither man nor woman, it's another story. 174 00:16:08,545 --> 00:16:10,385 Ours is different. 175 00:16:10,785 --> 00:16:15,465 We already had that perception of running away from stereotypes. 176 00:16:16,385 --> 00:16:19,985 We did want to create our culture, 177 00:16:20,105 --> 00:16:23,345 make just a lesbian culture, but how? 178 00:16:23,465 --> 00:16:25,665 We wanted to create it from us, 179 00:16:26,145 --> 00:16:28,865 and we were getting things from abroad 180 00:16:28,985 --> 00:16:33,265 because maybe abroad they were more advanced than us. 181 00:16:33,425 --> 00:16:34,905 We also brought those. Books. 182 00:16:35,105 --> 00:16:36,785 We were very lucky to be able to go 183 00:16:36,905 --> 00:16:39,545 to the feminist book fairs that were held... 184 00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:41,785 in Amsterdam, in Berlin. 185 00:16:41,945 --> 00:16:45,465 It was held in Barcelona in the 90's, we went to Australia… 186 00:16:45,785 --> 00:16:48,545 With the books you could certainly know… 187 00:16:48,865 --> 00:16:52,465 With the workshops and the talks you could share and see. 188 00:16:52,825 --> 00:16:58,745 And also here, we were trying to reproduce whatever it was 189 00:16:59,425 --> 00:17:01,505 within the lesbian world. 190 00:17:02,225 --> 00:17:06,345 Because it was very clear for us. 191 00:17:07,225 --> 00:17:10,585 We wanted to live the experience of a separatist world 192 00:17:10,705 --> 00:17:13,865 because it was our idea and it was our desire. 193 00:17:14,425 --> 00:17:17,385 Although it has never quite come to fruition 194 00:17:17,785 --> 00:17:20,825 but we did define ourselves, and we still do, 195 00:17:21,105 --> 00:17:23,985 and I still do even though I can't practice it at all, 196 00:17:24,225 --> 00:17:27,865 but I still define myself as a lesbian separatist. 197 00:17:28,705 --> 00:17:29,705 But, of course, 198 00:17:29,825 --> 00:17:36,145 society also marks you the priorities and the moment, the environment and... 199 00:17:36,785 --> 00:17:37,865 And you do what you can. 200 00:17:37,985 --> 00:17:40,585 How would you define lesbian separatism? 201 00:17:41,545 --> 00:17:42,785 How would you define it? 202 00:17:42,905 --> 00:17:44,881 To make it clear for people who don't know what it is. 203 00:17:44,905 --> 00:17:49,305 Yes. What is lesbian separatism? 204 00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:54,425 Well, it is a radical idea that lesbianism goes to the extreme 205 00:17:54,745 --> 00:17:59,585 of only having relationship and action and interaction with women. 206 00:17:59,985 --> 00:18:04,265 And in a world that could be totally of women and lesbians, 207 00:18:04,505 --> 00:18:09,185 where women would have no patriarchal influences and patriarchal role models 208 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:10,625 that could mark us. 209 00:18:11,585 --> 00:18:15,225 The desire is that you could be totally autonomous, 210 00:18:15,345 --> 00:18:18,065 totally yourself. 211 00:18:18,585 --> 00:18:21,265 But it is also a kind of an inner perception. 212 00:18:21,385 --> 00:18:26,345 It is not only a physical action in a life or material level. 213 00:18:26,585 --> 00:18:29,225 It is also an inner perception of saying: I am capable. 214 00:18:29,345 --> 00:18:31,865 I don't need patriarchal models 215 00:18:32,065 --> 00:18:35,065 that have crushed us so far in order to be able to follow them. 216 00:18:35,265 --> 00:18:39,625 And now my computer is restarting, I don't know what was wrong with it. 217 00:18:39,905 --> 00:18:47,185 But as I have the flash drive here… Look, I'll pass you this one and... 218 00:18:49,105 --> 00:18:51,505 and you are going to put one of the three. 219 00:18:51,665 --> 00:18:53,145 - All three. - Okay. 220 00:18:53,745 --> 00:18:55,345 I'm missing... We're at the 6th. 221 00:18:56,385 --> 00:19:02,105 Okay? So we did physical violence and sexual violence 1. 222 00:19:02,665 --> 00:19:03,665 And we're missing these. 223 00:19:03,785 --> 00:19:07,665 And finish tying these two together that are mixed up a little bit. 224 00:19:09,985 --> 00:19:11,865 For example, at the very beginning… 225 00:19:13,945 --> 00:19:15,185 Do you have the right title? 226 00:19:15,825 --> 00:19:17,985 Yeah, we can go to the first one… you see? 227 00:19:19,865 --> 00:19:20,865 Here. 228 00:19:59,705 --> 00:20:02,065 - Muse? - Yeah, it's an agency from New York. 229 00:20:03,025 --> 00:20:05,745 They contacted you? 230 00:20:05,865 --> 00:20:07,785 I have a casting tomorrow. 231 00:20:09,025 --> 00:20:10,665 - Wow. - Amazing. 232 00:20:10,825 --> 00:20:13,305 The New York one is online, 233 00:20:13,425 --> 00:20:15,345 but I do it from Francina's computer 234 00:20:15,465 --> 00:20:16,785 because they want me to be there. 235 00:20:16,825 --> 00:20:19,265 They say my house has bad lighting. 236 00:20:20,305 --> 00:20:21,305 Okay. 237 00:20:21,665 --> 00:20:23,705 - Come on, they're right. - Yes, they're right. 238 00:20:24,425 --> 00:20:28,945 So they're both online? One is in Francina and…? 239 00:20:29,065 --> 00:20:32,625 One is in person. The London one is with them tomorrow at Francina. 240 00:20:33,145 --> 00:20:34,145 Okay wow. 241 00:20:34,265 --> 00:20:35,785 I didn't even search these agencies, 242 00:20:35,905 --> 00:20:38,225 it would be nice do it, because I haven't checked them. 243 00:20:38,505 --> 00:20:40,745 It's great, baby. 244 00:20:44,705 --> 00:20:47,145 When I was younger it was very contradictory for me 245 00:20:47,265 --> 00:20:50,145 to think that I like women, and I'm a Muslim. 246 00:20:50,265 --> 00:20:52,865 It was more of Islam and my culture, 247 00:20:53,265 --> 00:20:55,625 of what my family would say, right? 248 00:20:56,305 --> 00:20:59,185 That is to say, as a child I always grew up 249 00:20:59,305 --> 00:21:01,585 with the typical feast of the lamb, the end of Ramadan, 250 00:21:01,705 --> 00:21:03,745 the birth of the prophet or things like that. 251 00:21:04,025 --> 00:21:06,305 And I like all this. 252 00:21:06,425 --> 00:21:09,785 Being with your family, the happiness of having spent a month together, 253 00:21:09,905 --> 00:21:14,585 so intimate, you know, the whole family together to eat. 254 00:21:14,705 --> 00:21:16,025 I like all these things. 255 00:21:16,265 --> 00:21:17,905 But I think that Islam, 256 00:21:18,025 --> 00:21:20,625 as in any religion and almost any practice, 257 00:21:21,385 --> 00:21:24,385 has been very much modified by men and it's been very much changed… 258 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:26,105 Yes, by cis men. 259 00:21:26,225 --> 00:21:29,545 So how can a book that was interpreted 260 00:21:29,665 --> 00:21:31,305 by a man can represent me? 261 00:21:31,465 --> 00:21:34,025 That's the relationship I have now with Islam. 262 00:21:34,265 --> 00:21:37,545 For me, religion in its purity is just peace. 263 00:21:37,665 --> 00:21:41,025 It's a book of advice, just like the Bible and the Torah 264 00:21:41,225 --> 00:21:45,265 and a book of Buddhism won't say you shall not drink or kill. 265 00:21:45,385 --> 00:21:47,665 I mean, if the police can fine you for killing, 266 00:21:47,785 --> 00:21:52,065 why can't Islam "condemn" you for killing? 267 00:21:52,185 --> 00:21:53,385 But in the end I don't believe 268 00:21:53,465 --> 00:21:55,505 that everything is based on being good or being bad, 269 00:21:55,585 --> 00:21:57,785 but it's a guide, a book of advices 270 00:21:57,905 --> 00:21:59,905 to be able to act correctly in this life. 271 00:22:00,265 --> 00:22:04,865 That's why I don't consider that smoking a joint is haram, 272 00:22:05,185 --> 00:22:06,825 or drinking alcohol is haram. 273 00:22:06,945 --> 00:22:08,985 It's haram because you are harming your body, 274 00:22:09,105 --> 00:22:11,785 but it is not haram because alcohol is haram, you know? 275 00:22:12,705 --> 00:22:15,185 So I don't consider it wrong either, 276 00:22:15,305 --> 00:22:18,665 for a person with pussy to eat another pussy 277 00:22:18,785 --> 00:22:20,945 and a person with a penis to suck another penis. 278 00:22:21,065 --> 00:22:23,585 Because in the end as long as I'm not hurting anyone, 279 00:22:23,705 --> 00:22:27,705 or myself or whatever pronoun you want to say, you know? 280 00:22:28,505 --> 00:22:29,705 …and I could DJ. 281 00:22:30,025 --> 00:22:31,225 Wait a minute, no kidding, 282 00:22:31,345 --> 00:22:34,665 when the Poble Sec parties were going on, 283 00:22:34,785 --> 00:22:37,865 I was thinking, "I want to DJ in the festivities of my neighborhood 284 00:22:37,985 --> 00:22:39,785 and I want to DJ in Os de Balaguer." 285 00:22:40,185 --> 00:22:42,585 - Okay. - But I see it so feasible. 286 00:22:42,705 --> 00:22:43,905 Yes, it is. 287 00:22:44,025 --> 00:22:47,705 I don't think they have a lot of people saying, 288 00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:49,265 "I want to DJ in Os de Balaguer." 289 00:22:49,385 --> 00:22:53,505 No, and besides they will say, "Oh, how exotic", you know? 290 00:22:54,505 --> 00:22:57,425 They don't know I'm your girlfriend in your town. 291 00:22:57,825 --> 00:22:59,265 Well, your friends do. 292 00:22:59,705 --> 00:23:03,825 But they'll say, "Is that black girl Gina's cousin?" 293 00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:07,505 No, they know we are not cousins. 294 00:23:07,625 --> 00:23:10,025 Well, they know we are… so they'll think we're friends. 295 00:23:10,545 --> 00:23:11,545 I don't know. 296 00:23:11,785 --> 00:23:13,105 It would be very funny. 297 00:23:14,945 --> 00:23:17,465 I don't know what connections they can make 298 00:23:17,585 --> 00:23:21,425 with the little amount of black people in your town. 299 00:23:21,545 --> 00:23:23,025 Well, friend or girlfriend. 300 00:23:23,185 --> 00:23:24,905 That is you. Well, girlfriend. 301 00:23:25,945 --> 00:23:29,025 We act friendly in public. 302 00:23:29,145 --> 00:23:31,145 - In my town? - Yes. 303 00:23:31,265 --> 00:23:33,345 But we've already been there many times. 304 00:23:33,585 --> 00:23:35,265 Yes, but just with your friends. 305 00:23:35,385 --> 00:23:37,265 But when we walk through the village in general. 306 00:23:37,305 --> 00:23:40,905 Because I don't like people who are very gossipy. 307 00:23:41,065 --> 00:23:42,905 - Gossipy. - It's true. 308 00:23:44,665 --> 00:23:46,665 I threw it there, girl, you don't get anything. 309 00:23:47,345 --> 00:23:50,025 Come on, look, over there. 310 00:23:57,305 --> 00:23:58,905 Where is it? It's here. 311 00:24:02,345 --> 00:24:03,345 Alright. 312 00:24:12,345 --> 00:24:15,985 I don't take hormones as a trans boy, I do it… 313 00:24:16,185 --> 00:24:21,385 For example, if a trans guy applies 8 daily doses of cream, 314 00:24:21,505 --> 00:24:24,185 I take four, and sometimes I even take three, 315 00:24:24,305 --> 00:24:25,745 and sometimes I take two. 316 00:24:25,945 --> 00:24:27,625 I'm a bit… 317 00:24:29,825 --> 00:24:33,265 in a limbo, a bit like in the limit of neither one thing nor the other, 318 00:24:33,945 --> 00:24:37,905 and well, there are no studies that talk about 319 00:24:38,025 --> 00:24:40,065 what is happening with the body. 320 00:24:40,305 --> 00:24:41,665 Well, there are, but very few, 321 00:24:42,225 --> 00:24:44,985 and it is not very well known, 322 00:24:45,385 --> 00:24:49,665 but it is something that can be done, I am the proof of that. 323 00:24:51,385 --> 00:24:56,985 Now it's been a week without hormones and I'm waiting like this… 324 00:24:57,105 --> 00:24:58,945 Well, I've been progressively stopping it. 325 00:25:00,945 --> 00:25:02,465 Why did you stop taking hormones? 326 00:25:03,145 --> 00:25:06,905 Because… Well, the truth is because, 327 00:25:07,225 --> 00:25:10,185 since I had the recording on Friday, 328 00:25:10,745 --> 00:25:14,465 I said, maybe if I stop taking them my voice will clear up a bit. 329 00:25:15,745 --> 00:25:19,065 But it's not true, so that the vocal folds… 330 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:22,545 once the vocal cords change, they don't go back to... 331 00:25:22,665 --> 00:25:24,665 It is one of these things that are irreversible. 332 00:25:25,425 --> 00:25:27,305 It's an irreversible change. 333 00:25:27,785 --> 00:25:29,385 But I do it a lot. 334 00:25:29,505 --> 00:25:32,745 Suddenly I feel like stopping taking hormones. 335 00:25:33,145 --> 00:25:36,025 And suddenly I want to go back, and now 336 00:25:36,145 --> 00:25:42,105 I want to stop taking them and I'm doing it. 337 00:25:42,665 --> 00:25:45,225 My mother says that I play too much with my body, 338 00:25:46,865 --> 00:25:50,145 but I think that if I have a body, it's for something, right? 339 00:25:50,545 --> 00:25:51,545 To play with it. 340 00:25:52,065 --> 00:25:53,425 Girl, not here! 341 00:25:54,305 --> 00:25:57,705 The fact I have waited ten years… 342 00:25:57,825 --> 00:26:01,385 Putting up with my own body, day after day, 343 00:26:02,465 --> 00:26:06,025 meant for me that when I decided to take hormones, 344 00:26:07,545 --> 00:26:11,945 I was very happy and I didn't wanna change anything about my own body. 345 00:26:12,745 --> 00:26:15,065 This doesn't mean I can't say tomorrow "Oh, shit, 346 00:26:15,185 --> 00:26:16,705 I don't feel comfortable with my boobs. 347 00:26:16,745 --> 00:26:17,745 I want to take them off." 348 00:26:18,145 --> 00:26:21,225 It doesn't mean that I can't do it, because I can perfectly do it, 349 00:26:22,305 --> 00:26:24,985 but I think it's given me a sense of maturity 350 00:26:25,265 --> 00:26:28,145 and having to put up with my body in no other way, 351 00:26:28,385 --> 00:26:31,625 and ending up loving the way it is and the choices it gives me 352 00:26:31,745 --> 00:26:33,105 and the opportunities it gives me. 353 00:26:33,385 --> 00:26:35,225 Because in the end I was very afraid 354 00:26:35,345 --> 00:26:38,425 of ending up changing myself for others, 355 00:26:39,105 --> 00:26:40,385 not for me. 356 00:26:41,305 --> 00:26:44,865 And I have come to the conclusion that I don't want to change myself. 357 00:26:45,305 --> 00:26:47,105 It is the rest who must change. 358 00:26:48,865 --> 00:26:55,065 I wanted to show you a T-shirt my friend Borja Pony made for me. 359 00:26:55,705 --> 00:26:59,425 Now I can't untie the… Okay 360 00:27:04,385 --> 00:27:05,625 Girls with guns. 361 00:27:12,225 --> 00:27:14,745 It's getting old a little bit, It makes me a bit sad. 362 00:27:16,305 --> 00:27:19,065 Anyway, I wore it for the occasion today. 363 00:27:19,825 --> 00:27:24,705 I really like to wear it normally when I'm dressed in a suit, 364 00:27:25,625 --> 00:27:28,465 with suit pants and suddenly this T-shirt, 365 00:27:28,825 --> 00:27:32,785 that shows off my boobies and it says Girls with guns. 366 00:27:32,905 --> 00:27:36,385 If I have something important from work or something. 367 00:27:40,905 --> 00:27:47,825 Look at a heron! That black and white one. You see it? 368 00:27:48,985 --> 00:27:51,345 It's down here, look how beautiful it is. 369 00:27:51,905 --> 00:27:54,345 Looks like a seagull eh. Have you seen it? 370 00:27:58,105 --> 00:27:59,905 It's hiding. 371 00:28:02,265 --> 00:28:06,265 Our plan to raise without gender, 372 00:28:06,705 --> 00:28:11,585 is something we didn't discuss much 373 00:28:11,705 --> 00:28:14,545 because it was practically obvious and unavoidable. 374 00:28:14,665 --> 00:28:19,665 In fact, if you look at trans couples in which one… 375 00:28:19,825 --> 00:28:21,745 at least one of the two people is trans, 376 00:28:22,105 --> 00:28:24,225 it's a very common thing. 377 00:28:24,505 --> 00:28:27,945 The day our baby was born, 378 00:28:28,265 --> 00:28:30,585 you are so happy, you know? 379 00:28:30,705 --> 00:28:34,265 You call your mother, "Well, congratulations grandma!" 380 00:28:34,905 --> 00:28:38,585 Everything is fine but she says, "Your father wants to talk to you." 381 00:28:40,545 --> 00:28:42,905 And he goes and tells me, 382 00:28:43,185 --> 00:28:45,865 "Well, it's just that this you're doing is not good at all!" 383 00:28:46,185 --> 00:28:51,065 It's okay you're not telling us if it's a boy or a girl, 384 00:28:51,185 --> 00:28:53,305 but we want to know if it's male or female. 385 00:28:53,425 --> 00:28:54,825 Male or female! 386 00:28:54,985 --> 00:28:56,265 "We have to be able to say it!" 387 00:28:56,385 --> 00:28:59,905 As if it were a right. Because, of course, what a shame! 388 00:29:00,025 --> 00:29:03,825 "What a shame when we're asked and we don't know what to say." 389 00:29:04,505 --> 00:29:09,705 They have to accept it, and sooner or later they end up doing it, 390 00:29:09,825 --> 00:29:15,265 although they didn't always fully agree with what we have asked them. 391 00:29:15,385 --> 00:29:18,105 And in the end we got tired of asking. 392 00:29:18,225 --> 00:29:21,665 I mean… I don't know… 393 00:29:23,545 --> 00:29:27,145 But, well, with this situation, 394 00:29:28,185 --> 00:29:33,105 three days after the baby was born, 395 00:29:34,345 --> 00:29:39,185 of course there was a very odd atmosphere in our family. 396 00:29:39,585 --> 00:29:42,145 They didn't come to visit us as there was COVID. 397 00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:44,745 A good thing was that visitors couldn't come to the hospital 398 00:29:44,865 --> 00:29:47,425 and this gave us a much-needed peace of mind. 399 00:29:48,785 --> 00:29:51,265 But three days later, when we were home, 400 00:29:51,785 --> 00:29:54,585 chatting on Whatsapp with my mother, 401 00:29:54,705 --> 00:29:57,065 she told she was very sad, she couldn't stop crying, 402 00:29:57,185 --> 00:30:01,265 because she couldn't explain what was the gender and so 403 00:30:01,665 --> 00:30:04,385 and then I had not yet come out of the closet 404 00:30:05,745 --> 00:30:08,545 and that was the moment when I came out on WhatsApp. 405 00:30:08,705 --> 00:30:13,745 I said, "Look, mom, let's see if this way you understand it better". 406 00:30:14,225 --> 00:30:21,385 And I was like "you really don't see, it's been a few years now" 407 00:30:21,625 --> 00:30:24,145 I don't even grow a beard, that I don't... 408 00:30:24,265 --> 00:30:27,585 That I always wear make-up, that I dress feminine, 409 00:30:27,705 --> 00:30:29,945 that Carla always speaks to me in feminine, 410 00:30:30,065 --> 00:30:31,785 and she refers to me in feminine. 411 00:30:32,105 --> 00:30:34,305 Don't you see that these things are happening? 412 00:30:34,785 --> 00:30:39,105 And she, "Well, you have always been very extreme", 413 00:30:40,665 --> 00:30:42,785 and then chatted about something else. 414 00:30:42,905 --> 00:30:45,065 "Hey, mom, I want to emphasize this, 415 00:30:45,425 --> 00:30:46,425 you haven't noticed..." 416 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:48,425 And in the end I was like, 417 00:30:48,545 --> 00:30:51,745 "I don't know how long ago that I've been living as a girl, 418 00:30:51,905 --> 00:30:54,865 that I feel like this, that my name is Manoly, 419 00:30:54,985 --> 00:30:56,465 that so and so." 420 00:30:58,105 --> 00:31:01,785 And then the lady, acting truly wonderfully, 421 00:31:01,905 --> 00:31:06,065 she said, "I don't know what to tell you now. 422 00:31:06,545 --> 00:31:14,505 I can't get it, but I love you very much, and we'll talk about it." 423 00:31:15,385 --> 00:31:17,625 And that was it. 424 00:31:17,745 --> 00:31:20,025 It's the best answer that she could give me 425 00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:21,385 if she was in shock. 426 00:31:21,865 --> 00:31:25,105 And then one thing she told me in the following days 427 00:31:25,225 --> 00:31:27,945 when we were chatting, she was very sorry. 428 00:31:28,065 --> 00:31:30,265 She was for a long time with the recurring idea, 429 00:31:30,905 --> 00:31:36,105 that she felt a very deep sorrow that she didn't realize before. 430 00:31:37,105 --> 00:31:39,465 And for her too, I mean, it was a liberation. 431 00:31:39,585 --> 00:31:44,145 With my family I had always led hidden lives, 432 00:31:44,545 --> 00:31:48,785 I had never felt at ease or with the capacity to open up. 433 00:31:50,025 --> 00:31:54,185 And now the relationship has improved a lot after this. 434 00:31:55,025 --> 00:31:57,825 Well, they think and do their thing, 435 00:31:57,945 --> 00:32:01,385 and although they don't fully get it, and they don't know how to deal 436 00:32:01,505 --> 00:32:05,625 with the gender-neutral parenting, it does make more sense. 437 00:32:06,105 --> 00:32:10,025 And as a result of that they look at it from a more respectful point of view 438 00:32:10,145 --> 00:32:14,425 and careful with our views. 439 00:32:29,545 --> 00:32:34,145 Well, I think it's a place that really… 440 00:32:34,865 --> 00:32:38,225 I mean, I was very much against the whole issue of ableism, 441 00:32:39,265 --> 00:32:43,745 linked to the image and the understanding they make 442 00:32:43,865 --> 00:32:45,745 of the child's behavior. 443 00:32:45,865 --> 00:32:49,505 It's the same as with gender there is an erroneous vision, right? 444 00:32:49,625 --> 00:32:52,745 Well, the ableism vision for me was also wrong. 445 00:32:53,825 --> 00:32:57,305 But in reality it is something that if you look at it outside of… 446 00:32:59,785 --> 00:33:07,225 of being as if you were observing some deficits, that is to say... 447 00:33:09,585 --> 00:33:11,985 I mean, outside of this understanding it's cool 448 00:33:12,545 --> 00:33:16,225 and I think all children should have access to, right? 449 00:33:16,345 --> 00:33:19,665 Especially all mothers and fathers 450 00:33:19,785 --> 00:33:22,705 because it is still an accompaniment 451 00:33:23,305 --> 00:33:26,385 when you have no idea, right? Because you are a novice. 452 00:33:27,345 --> 00:33:29,625 And it is an accompaniment to development. 453 00:33:30,185 --> 00:33:32,145 You basically go there to play, right? 454 00:33:32,265 --> 00:33:34,185 And they tell you things. 455 00:33:35,465 --> 00:33:36,985 They give you clues, right? 456 00:33:37,665 --> 00:33:42,345 Things you can do, I don't know, it's been good for us, 457 00:33:43,545 --> 00:33:45,985 for me and Carla as adults, you know? 458 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:48,345 To gain skills. 459 00:34:21,345 --> 00:34:24,825 I usually read about topics that are pretty much the same, 460 00:34:25,785 --> 00:34:29,065 but then I like to read this kind of stuff. 461 00:34:29,185 --> 00:34:32,105 I would love to read Stephen Hawking, for example, 462 00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:33,705 it's interesting. 463 00:34:45,065 --> 00:34:46,945 We are already in my neighborhood. 464 00:34:58,345 --> 00:35:01,945 My father, well, he might know because once, 465 00:35:02,345 --> 00:35:07,465 I remember when I was very young, when I was 22 or so, 466 00:35:08,185 --> 00:35:10,265 I was about to go on a date. 467 00:35:10,625 --> 00:35:13,945 I was at my father's house and then I was going on a date. 468 00:35:14,225 --> 00:35:18,225 So I was putting on my makeup, getting ready, I don't know. 469 00:35:18,665 --> 00:35:20,305 And my father said, "Where are you going?" 470 00:35:21,065 --> 00:35:24,465 I'm going to see my friend Kathleen… 471 00:35:24,945 --> 00:35:27,225 "Oh, that's so cool! What are you going to do?" 472 00:35:27,345 --> 00:35:28,665 "Well, we'll have dinner". 473 00:35:28,785 --> 00:35:32,185 "You're looking very pretty. Is it a date?" 474 00:35:32,545 --> 00:35:37,025 And I suddenly got very nervous. 475 00:35:37,145 --> 00:35:39,201 I don't know why I didn't expect that from my father. 476 00:35:39,225 --> 00:35:43,905 My father is a guy who doesn't ask about a lot of things, like a basic guy. 477 00:35:44,665 --> 00:35:47,905 He doesn't ask at all, you know? Super basic. 478 00:35:48,025 --> 00:35:51,025 Then, all of a sudden, my dad comes in, he's worried, 479 00:35:51,145 --> 00:35:58,385 not worried, but asking about me, my romantic life, I don't know. 480 00:36:00,385 --> 00:36:01,985 It made me very nervous. 481 00:36:02,105 --> 00:36:04,625 I don't know, it was a moment where... 482 00:36:05,225 --> 00:36:06,985 Now I always think of that moment, 483 00:36:07,105 --> 00:36:08,921 because it could have been a really cool moment, 484 00:36:08,945 --> 00:36:14,385 when I could've talked to him, came out of the closet, all this stuff. 485 00:36:14,505 --> 00:36:19,025 But I was so in shock that I didn't seize the moment. 486 00:36:19,185 --> 00:36:20,625 "No, no, no, no way!", 487 00:36:20,745 --> 00:36:24,145 and then I closed the bathroom door, 488 00:36:24,545 --> 00:36:27,665 and I was like super nervous, I ran out of his house. 489 00:36:28,345 --> 00:36:31,905 We never spoke again about that day, even though I'd like to, 490 00:36:32,025 --> 00:36:34,585 but now it's been like 10 years. 491 00:36:35,305 --> 00:36:36,465 I'm not going back to my dad, 492 00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:38,825 "Do you remember 10 years ago when you asked me 493 00:36:38,945 --> 00:36:40,401 if I was going on a date with the girl? 494 00:36:40,425 --> 00:36:44,425 Well, I had a date with a girl, and she was my girlfriend." 495 00:36:44,745 --> 00:36:48,105 I also think that my blood family 496 00:36:48,225 --> 00:36:50,745 is not my family either, they're my family that doesn't know. 497 00:36:50,865 --> 00:36:53,265 In the end they don't know much about me. 498 00:36:53,705 --> 00:36:57,265 You know? My family is my gay, queer family, 499 00:36:58,545 --> 00:37:01,185 rainbow family that... 500 00:37:01,705 --> 00:37:03,225 they really know me. 501 00:37:26,145 --> 00:37:29,225 Look me in the eye. Close here. 502 00:37:31,505 --> 00:37:33,785 - Here. - Okay, it's going away. 503 00:37:33,905 --> 00:37:35,945 - Here! - Yes! 504 00:37:36,865 --> 00:37:38,825 But not with the head, only with the eyes. 505 00:37:40,185 --> 00:37:41,985 What a beautiful chin. 506 00:37:43,985 --> 00:37:48,585 It was like... I don't know whether to call it a crush. 507 00:37:48,985 --> 00:37:50,425 Does that really exist? 508 00:37:50,545 --> 00:37:52,241 It hadn't happened to me with another person, 509 00:37:52,265 --> 00:37:57,025 but it was like a connection of... "I want to know, I want to know" 510 00:37:57,145 --> 00:38:01,065 and obviously physically I loved them and I love them. 511 00:38:01,185 --> 00:38:05,145 With hair, without hair, with skirt and with pants 512 00:38:05,465 --> 00:38:07,825 I mean... A lot. 513 00:38:08,465 --> 00:38:12,665 I don't know, it was like a I want to know more, 514 00:38:12,785 --> 00:38:16,385 I wanna meet them and wanna know more, I wanna have them around. 515 00:38:18,985 --> 00:38:19,985 I'm sorry. 516 00:38:28,625 --> 00:38:30,345 Why didn't you do it in the middle? 517 00:38:32,385 --> 00:38:34,865 I didn't either. Because I don't like it. 518 00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:36,385 Okay. 519 00:38:37,185 --> 00:38:39,065 - Do you want me to do it for you? - No. 520 00:38:40,385 --> 00:38:41,985 That day… 521 00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:44,065 The day you came with your friend, 522 00:38:44,865 --> 00:38:47,225 - you left your ID card around here. - Okay. 523 00:38:47,905 --> 00:38:50,825 And I went to see your name to call you by your name 524 00:38:50,945 --> 00:38:54,065 and not to say: "Hey!, you left your ID card". 525 00:38:54,665 --> 00:38:58,385 And then I was super worried that… 526 00:38:59,105 --> 00:39:01,265 I mean, it's kind of complicated to tell this. 527 00:39:01,385 --> 00:39:02,601 We didn't introduced ourselves. 528 00:39:02,625 --> 00:39:04,025 We didn't know our names. 529 00:39:04,145 --> 00:39:07,745 And, of course, at that time, I mean, I had a lot of problems... 530 00:39:07,865 --> 00:39:10,105 I didn't know if she liked girls, 531 00:39:10,225 --> 00:39:11,385 or didn't like girls, 532 00:39:11,545 --> 00:39:14,585 or who she liked. I didn't even know if... 533 00:39:14,745 --> 00:39:16,505 What was your life, I didn't know anything. 534 00:39:16,785 --> 00:39:19,425 And then of course. Since I already have some experience 535 00:39:19,545 --> 00:39:23,945 with people rejecting you just because you are the way you are, 536 00:39:24,265 --> 00:39:26,945 not just for being a lesbian 537 00:39:27,065 --> 00:39:28,985 or for being trans or for being non-binary 538 00:39:29,105 --> 00:39:30,345 or being whatever you are, 539 00:39:30,585 --> 00:39:33,265 not for how you are on the inside. 540 00:39:34,225 --> 00:39:39,385 Well, I was really afraid that she would be biased. 541 00:39:40,225 --> 00:39:42,241 That she'd say, "I don't even want to meet this person 542 00:39:42,265 --> 00:39:44,865 because this person is a deviant, 543 00:39:44,985 --> 00:39:46,265 some form of otherness, right?" 544 00:39:46,505 --> 00:39:48,305 There are a lot of people like that, honey, 545 00:39:48,425 --> 00:39:50,706 you're not like that, but there are many people like that, 546 00:39:50,825 --> 00:39:53,465 and I've come across many people during my life. 547 00:39:53,745 --> 00:39:57,865 And the truth is you get to a point that you close yourself off and say, 548 00:39:57,985 --> 00:39:59,785 "I don't want to meet these kind of people." 549 00:39:59,985 --> 00:40:02,865 Or, "I'll try to get through this suffering" 550 00:40:03,025 --> 00:40:05,905 of they getting to know me as I am and like me, 551 00:40:06,025 --> 00:40:07,385 and open their mind and tell them… 552 00:40:07,505 --> 00:40:10,345 People... I mean, but in her case, 553 00:40:11,025 --> 00:40:12,425 of course I didn't know what... 554 00:40:12,905 --> 00:40:15,105 I mean, I didn't know what she was like. 555 00:40:15,425 --> 00:40:18,585 And so I was very afraid 556 00:40:19,425 --> 00:40:24,785 that she would know that I was non-binary and she would get scared. 557 00:40:25,585 --> 00:40:27,505 Lower a little, no, the eye. 558 00:40:46,865 --> 00:40:50,625 Much better, thank you, love. I love it. 559 00:41:34,425 --> 00:41:40,025 In all the communities I've lived in, well, not all of them, but... 560 00:41:40,545 --> 00:41:42,025 yes, there were dykes. 561 00:41:42,345 --> 00:41:44,665 For me it's super important that there are dykes 562 00:41:44,865 --> 00:41:47,185 in the communities, and nearby, 563 00:41:47,505 --> 00:41:49,625 because they have another vibe. 564 00:41:49,745 --> 00:41:53,865 The communication, the language, the jokes, 565 00:41:53,985 --> 00:41:55,945 I mean, it's your identity, isn't it? 566 00:41:56,065 --> 00:41:57,185 It's like... 567 00:41:58,065 --> 00:42:02,625 So everywhere I've been there were dykes. 568 00:42:02,945 --> 00:42:04,185 I'll get some water later, 569 00:42:04,305 --> 00:42:09,625 because I was a little absent-minded and I left a tap running. 570 00:42:09,945 --> 00:42:11,945 - You emptied it all. - I know. 571 00:42:12,065 --> 00:42:14,545 There doesn't seem to be much oil. 572 00:42:15,305 --> 00:42:17,625 - I think there must be some. - Is it two-stroke oil? 573 00:42:17,745 --> 00:42:20,305 - No, it's engine oil. - Okay. 574 00:42:21,785 --> 00:42:25,345 - Well, there it is. - Great. 575 00:42:25,705 --> 00:42:27,585 And vroom, vroom, vroom. 576 00:42:27,705 --> 00:42:29,145 And that's it. 577 00:42:29,665 --> 00:42:33,785 And the truth is that I've always had the desire 578 00:42:34,225 --> 00:42:41,345 or tried to project the whole issue of the relational hierarchy 579 00:42:41,465 --> 00:42:47,145 and to have some big affective networks, right? 580 00:42:47,305 --> 00:42:49,705 It seems that if you don't have a sex-affective bond, 581 00:42:49,825 --> 00:42:52,705 the bond isn't that strong. 582 00:42:53,425 --> 00:42:56,785 I've seen a lot of friends suffer a lot too, 583 00:42:56,905 --> 00:43:00,625 who had a bond with someone and that person disappeared. 584 00:43:01,865 --> 00:43:05,225 It's a very interesting topic. 585 00:43:05,425 --> 00:43:07,665 You know, I would like to have this. 586 00:43:07,785 --> 00:43:10,625 My ideal couple is three of us at least, you know? 587 00:43:12,385 --> 00:43:14,665 Because this way, I have my time for me. 588 00:43:16,665 --> 00:43:18,585 And, I don't know, everything is more diluted. 589 00:43:18,865 --> 00:43:22,465 But I also think that... I mean, I used to think a lot too… 590 00:43:22,625 --> 00:43:25,705 about the collective upbringing. 591 00:43:25,825 --> 00:43:28,385 You start from that ideal, and then you see it doesn't work, 592 00:43:28,505 --> 00:43:31,105 that the mother is the mother and the baby is the baby 593 00:43:31,225 --> 00:43:34,305 and they have a bond that you can share and be there, 594 00:43:34,425 --> 00:43:36,905 but it's not that easy. 595 00:43:37,585 --> 00:43:40,025 There are other things, and it's also cool 596 00:43:40,545 --> 00:43:42,265 to let things be like that. 597 00:43:42,985 --> 00:43:48,665 Anyway, the ideal is there too and it's cool. 598 00:44:06,025 --> 00:44:08,905 I was out there living and people started to say, 599 00:44:09,025 --> 00:44:12,105 "Alf is coming with some goats!" 600 00:44:12,225 --> 00:44:14,825 And I said, "Who is this? Who is Alf with some goats?" 601 00:44:15,065 --> 00:44:19,905 But you already knew it was me. We've met before. 602 00:44:20,025 --> 00:44:22,305 Yes, but I didn't remember your name, actually. 603 00:44:22,425 --> 00:44:24,705 Yeah, I'm very bad with names. 604 00:44:24,825 --> 00:44:25,905 I didn't remember. 605 00:44:26,665 --> 00:44:29,465 So from here on we started living together. 606 00:44:29,585 --> 00:44:31,665 - Living together. - It made us love each other. 607 00:44:31,785 --> 00:44:33,665 I love you very much, we love each other. 608 00:44:33,785 --> 00:44:35,185 I love you too. 609 00:44:35,745 --> 00:44:37,505 This is our story. 610 00:44:37,625 --> 00:44:39,425 And we do a lot together. 611 00:44:39,545 --> 00:44:41,505 - Yes, of course. - In the end, 612 00:44:41,625 --> 00:44:44,705 we are our dyke team in the area. 613 00:44:45,305 --> 00:44:48,225 - There used to be more dykes around. - From the municipality! 614 00:44:48,385 --> 00:44:50,105 There were a few of us. 615 00:44:50,265 --> 00:44:52,425 Me and Alf could have made out, 616 00:44:52,545 --> 00:44:54,905 because we like more or less the same things. 617 00:44:55,025 --> 00:44:58,705 We have a lot in common, but we live together too. 618 00:44:59,225 --> 00:45:01,185 And then sometimes I think, 619 00:45:01,305 --> 00:45:03,785 "Okay, I may like Alf a lot 620 00:45:03,905 --> 00:45:05,665 because of the way Alf is." 621 00:45:05,865 --> 00:45:11,785 But I don't want our living space to stop being a safe space 622 00:45:11,905 --> 00:45:13,361 so we have to start taking care of it. 623 00:45:13,385 --> 00:45:17,105 "Listen, there's this girl coming to spend a weekend with me", 624 00:45:17,225 --> 00:45:19,265 then she may say, "Shoot, I don't want to see that." 625 00:45:19,385 --> 00:45:20,801 - Or something like that. - Yes, of course. 626 00:45:20,825 --> 00:45:24,385 It's a big deal. So Alf becomes a person who doesn't... 627 00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:28,625 - Better to build a friendship. - Yes. 628 00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:32,545 And then the same thing with Casanova, you know? 629 00:45:32,665 --> 00:45:35,185 The thing is you can be with someone, 630 00:45:35,305 --> 00:45:37,001 and I don't feel like being with that person, 631 00:45:37,025 --> 00:45:39,665 because I don't like endogamy. 632 00:45:40,265 --> 00:45:42,265 And if you you make out with three people 633 00:45:42,385 --> 00:45:43,705 then there's no one else here. 634 00:45:44,665 --> 00:45:46,785 - It's the truth. - Yes, it's like that. 635 00:45:46,905 --> 00:45:48,305 And there is no one in Valls. 636 00:45:48,425 --> 00:45:50,481 And if there is, she's also a friend of a friend of yours 637 00:45:50,505 --> 00:45:51,785 or she's an ex of an ex of yours 638 00:45:51,905 --> 00:45:53,945 and wee're back in the topic of endogamy. 639 00:45:54,385 --> 00:45:57,745 And if you get into apps, what you get is a reality. 640 00:45:57,865 --> 00:45:59,825 The rural areas are deserted 641 00:46:00,145 --> 00:46:02,705 and that what young people do is to go to the city. 642 00:46:02,945 --> 00:46:07,025 And then you think, I have come to live here. 643 00:46:07,265 --> 00:46:09,305 I don't want to create an emotional bond 644 00:46:09,425 --> 00:46:12,025 or I don't feel like creating an emotional bond with someone 645 00:46:12,185 --> 00:46:13,905 who is more than an hour away by car, 646 00:46:14,305 --> 00:46:19,225 and on top of that, the economic expense that involves getting there and back. 647 00:46:36,905 --> 00:46:38,585 Lesbos was... 648 00:46:39,105 --> 00:46:41,985 I was fifty years round, sorry, sixty! 649 00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:44,185 Yes because we celebrated your... 650 00:46:44,305 --> 00:46:46,865 60th birthday. She came to my birthday. 651 00:46:46,985 --> 00:46:48,825 And I didn't know whose birthday was. 652 00:46:49,185 --> 00:46:51,345 And she didn't know who was celebrating the birthday. 653 00:46:51,465 --> 00:46:53,945 I signed up for the birthday because when they did one there, 654 00:46:54,065 --> 00:46:57,025 they brought little things, everybody participated… 655 00:46:57,145 --> 00:46:59,985 And they told me, "It's her birthday". 656 00:47:00,105 --> 00:47:05,025 I didn't even know her name, and I signed up to eat ham. 657 00:47:05,465 --> 00:47:06,825 I still remember. 658 00:47:07,065 --> 00:47:11,545 This happened at the bar La Nostra Illa. 659 00:47:11,825 --> 00:47:14,265 We turned 60 in March, 660 00:47:14,385 --> 00:47:15,625 and this was in August. 661 00:47:16,265 --> 00:47:18,665 It was a year, 662 00:47:18,785 --> 00:47:22,185 since I had left a second partner I had. 663 00:47:22,505 --> 00:47:23,825 For eight years. 664 00:47:25,545 --> 00:47:27,105 We split up. 665 00:47:27,225 --> 00:47:31,265 Our goals were not the same and it was over. 666 00:47:32,065 --> 00:47:36,705 And I had been single for a year and a half. 667 00:47:36,865 --> 00:47:39,625 For year and a half that I was available, 668 00:47:39,745 --> 00:47:43,945 I had no intention of formalizing 669 00:47:44,065 --> 00:47:48,265 a continuous, serious, monogamous relationship, 670 00:47:48,385 --> 00:47:50,825 with a single woman. 671 00:47:51,345 --> 00:47:54,585 I had no intention, I was in no hurry. 672 00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:55,865 What do you mean by that? 673 00:47:55,985 --> 00:48:01,065 I mean that I wanted no commitment of mandatory loyalty. 674 00:48:01,305 --> 00:48:06,545 I didn't want to just be a... 675 00:48:06,705 --> 00:48:09,545 a couple, I didn't want to go back to having a steady partner again, 676 00:48:09,785 --> 00:48:12,345 so to say. 677 00:48:13,665 --> 00:48:15,745 But things were the way they were. 678 00:48:16,665 --> 00:48:19,865 But the relationship was a bit scary at the beginning. 679 00:48:20,745 --> 00:48:22,865 I mean, for each of us, 680 00:48:23,185 --> 00:48:25,545 you were fine with the other person, 681 00:48:25,665 --> 00:48:27,905 but we both wanted to live alone. 682 00:48:28,145 --> 00:48:32,145 So there was a rational part 683 00:48:32,705 --> 00:48:36,305 that said "let's see what happens". 684 00:48:36,745 --> 00:48:39,065 And another said, "Right now?" 685 00:48:39,225 --> 00:48:43,585 Start and change everything, but I'm fine now, 686 00:48:43,785 --> 00:48:45,585 I mean, why do I have to change things 687 00:48:45,705 --> 00:48:47,345 if there could be problems later, 688 00:48:47,465 --> 00:48:49,505 I'm fine, I'm on my own", 689 00:48:50,025 --> 00:48:52,065 and she thought the same. 690 00:48:52,185 --> 00:48:55,185 So we were saying, "Shoot…" 691 00:48:55,865 --> 00:48:59,425 To the point that this year we couldn't stand it any longer 692 00:48:59,545 --> 00:49:00,585 and we got married. 693 00:49:00,785 --> 00:49:02,705 True, I didn't remember! 694 00:49:03,505 --> 00:49:07,145 We got married more legally than… 695 00:49:07,465 --> 00:49:08,505 Yes. 696 00:49:09,545 --> 00:49:13,785 And then, of course, we went there to sign the papers 697 00:49:13,905 --> 00:49:16,665 and they told us that we had to go to a judge, 698 00:49:16,785 --> 00:49:18,145 that we have to say some things. 699 00:49:18,625 --> 00:49:21,345 But it's not necessary, we sign the paper and that's it. 700 00:49:21,665 --> 00:49:24,785 Well no, the lady did like a mini wedding 701 00:49:24,905 --> 00:49:28,465 because they wouldn't let all the people in. 702 00:49:28,785 --> 00:49:32,025 Because it was in full pandemic, on March, May! 703 00:49:32,185 --> 00:49:34,865 - My son came. - And my sister. 704 00:49:34,985 --> 00:49:37,865 And her sister, and then, when it was time to... 705 00:49:38,305 --> 00:49:41,905 - The two of them signed. - And then we ate a little bit... 706 00:49:42,025 --> 00:49:45,585 - We went for lunch, and that's it. - That's what we did. 707 00:49:46,145 --> 00:49:49,305 Has the idea of love changed in you 708 00:49:49,425 --> 00:49:51,185 as lesbians over the years? 709 00:49:51,345 --> 00:49:53,145 Or has it not? Or has it stayed the same? 710 00:49:53,865 --> 00:49:57,265 Referring to what that people say, "when you grow up you'll see." 711 00:49:58,025 --> 00:50:00,585 When you grow up you'll see, I don't know what you have to see. 712 00:50:00,705 --> 00:50:02,465 Because what does it mean to grow up? 713 00:50:03,705 --> 00:50:11,545 Love stays the same, because attraction and desire, 714 00:50:12,105 --> 00:50:18,705 if it's alive and new, then it's like this at 60, 50 and 70. 715 00:50:19,545 --> 00:50:24,065 Sincerely it has not changed for me 716 00:50:24,225 --> 00:50:30,345 and that idea of reason and prudence and be cautious, 717 00:50:31,025 --> 00:50:33,425 maybe this does make you a bit... 718 00:50:33,625 --> 00:50:37,145 Age slows you down a little bit, it makes you be a little more prudent. 719 00:50:37,265 --> 00:50:39,745 And maybe the experience from before, well... 720 00:50:39,905 --> 00:50:41,825 - Of course, it's important. - Yes. 721 00:50:41,945 --> 00:50:46,065 But, you know, in fact we jumped in anyways. 722 00:50:52,025 --> 00:50:57,585 Two. One space. Three. 723 00:50:58,865 --> 00:51:00,865 Names of murdered women. 724 00:51:01,025 --> 00:51:02,065 Seventy... 725 00:51:03,305 --> 00:51:05,425 We have to leave a space, just in case. 726 00:51:05,545 --> 00:51:07,025 Up to October 31. 727 00:51:08,745 --> 00:51:13,665 - Women killed. - So far. 728 00:51:15,425 --> 00:51:17,345 For some women, being at home 729 00:51:17,465 --> 00:51:19,705 doesn't mean peace, but violence. 730 00:51:20,225 --> 00:51:21,625 This one is missing. 731 00:51:24,345 --> 00:51:26,985 You can also put it. I can put it too. 732 00:51:27,185 --> 00:51:29,505 Okay, this one and this one. 733 00:51:29,905 --> 00:51:35,305 Send by Whatsapp. 734 00:51:40,305 --> 00:51:41,745 Okay, let's see. 735 00:51:57,545 --> 00:52:00,825 Okay, but let's do it where we have put the mark. 736 00:52:01,385 --> 00:52:04,625 And we work around this, if later we see we don't, then... 737 00:52:05,225 --> 00:52:06,985 As today they will have the lights. 738 00:52:07,505 --> 00:52:09,225 Maybe they can orient themselves better. 739 00:52:09,345 --> 00:52:10,825 Sure. That's it. 740 00:52:10,945 --> 00:52:14,265 There's no better mark than a spotlight, you know? 741 00:52:19,345 --> 00:52:23,385 My mother worked it out, her dream was always to be a grandmother. 742 00:52:23,745 --> 00:52:25,505 She wanted to be a grandmother 743 00:52:25,785 --> 00:52:29,145 and between this and the fact that she felt bad for not seeing me... 744 00:52:29,465 --> 00:52:34,585 For not having seen me before how I was and her desire to establish... 745 00:52:36,025 --> 00:52:39,585 a strong relationship with her daughter, right? 746 00:52:39,785 --> 00:52:43,745 All her life she has always sought to understand me. 747 00:52:44,025 --> 00:52:45,305 And she never understood me. 748 00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:48,905 And now all of a sudden, she had a door to understand me deeply, 749 00:52:49,025 --> 00:52:50,785 to understand many things, right? 750 00:52:51,225 --> 00:52:55,425 And the truth is that I am very happy 751 00:52:55,545 --> 00:52:58,705 of the role she has played. 752 00:52:58,985 --> 00:53:01,665 I remember one day that really touched me. 753 00:53:02,185 --> 00:53:06,025 We were having lunch at her house, and she came to me, 754 00:53:06,265 --> 00:53:09,705 "Well, Manoly, look..." 755 00:53:09,905 --> 00:53:12,665 Do you remember this bracelet that we gave you and your sister 756 00:53:12,785 --> 00:53:14,305 when you were eighteen years old? 757 00:53:14,865 --> 00:53:18,945 A horrible gold bracelet that I put away... 758 00:53:19,425 --> 00:53:21,745 I don't want this, and I never used it. 759 00:53:22,185 --> 00:53:25,305 It had written my deadname on it, and when she told me this I was, 760 00:53:25,425 --> 00:53:27,465 "Mum, don't fuck it up". 761 00:53:27,705 --> 00:53:30,345 Don't bring that jewel back because I don't want it. 762 00:53:30,825 --> 00:53:33,385 And suddenly she gave it to me, it's this one here. 763 00:53:34,105 --> 00:53:36,905 The lady had taken it 764 00:53:37,025 --> 00:53:40,585 to a jewelry store to have the name changed. 765 00:53:41,625 --> 00:53:43,825 And it is still ugly as hell because it is, 766 00:53:44,065 --> 00:53:47,745 but I've never taken it off since then because it's so beautiful. 767 00:53:48,385 --> 00:53:51,865 I mean, that gesture was… Carla and I were there like... 768 00:53:52,985 --> 00:53:54,345 What's just happened?! 769 00:53:54,465 --> 00:53:57,705 I mean, how cool is that? Isn't it wonderful? 770 00:53:57,825 --> 00:54:02,545 And then I knew that's it, right? That's it. 771 00:54:02,865 --> 00:54:04,505 Now she have to assume that I'm a lesbian, 772 00:54:04,745 --> 00:54:06,505 I don't know if she's thought about it, 773 00:54:06,625 --> 00:54:08,825 I haven't told her either, "Mom, I'm a lesbian", 774 00:54:09,185 --> 00:54:13,145 I mean, it's a closet that I didn't have to come out from. 775 00:54:19,425 --> 00:54:22,105 I'm thinking we won't go upstairs... 776 00:54:23,185 --> 00:54:26,905 I'll try to see what happens if I take them like this... 777 00:54:27,265 --> 00:54:29,945 It's closer anyway, to see how it goes. 778 00:54:30,305 --> 00:54:32,025 Like fake it from underneath. 779 00:54:34,345 --> 00:54:36,745 We'll put this here, if it works, great, and if it doesn't... 780 00:54:38,625 --> 00:54:41,305 This is what I wanted to tell you before. 781 00:54:41,425 --> 00:54:42,825 I know. 782 00:54:44,225 --> 00:54:46,905 Anyway, it doesn't get too hot. 783 00:54:47,185 --> 00:54:48,665 No, nothing. 784 00:54:49,305 --> 00:54:51,345 I lose my train of thought. 785 00:54:52,625 --> 00:54:57,825 We got a very nice technician, but he's so patronizing… 786 00:54:59,585 --> 00:55:03,345 I'm telling you things that you already know. 787 00:55:07,785 --> 00:55:11,785 You never get out of this one. There is always someone 788 00:55:13,745 --> 00:55:15,705 who exudes good vibes. 789 00:55:19,865 --> 00:55:21,185 You know that already. 790 00:55:29,985 --> 00:55:31,265 The only time I've... 791 00:55:31,385 --> 00:55:32,465 Does Kokoko ring a bell? 792 00:55:33,825 --> 00:55:36,185 No, with a K? 793 00:55:38,825 --> 00:55:41,705 I don't know if it's familiar for Joko or like Kokoko... 794 00:55:42,705 --> 00:55:45,705 - I mean, Joko as in... - With Ks. 795 00:55:46,465 --> 00:55:50,665 They have released a movie and they will release it today 796 00:55:50,785 --> 00:55:54,425 or they will do something today and I wanted to go, 797 00:55:54,625 --> 00:55:58,025 to tune my musical ear. 798 00:55:58,585 --> 00:55:59,945 Will you come to sleep later? 799 00:56:00,265 --> 00:56:02,745 Yes, I told you so. 800 00:56:04,105 --> 00:56:05,705 Cool, I want to cuddle. 801 00:56:08,385 --> 00:56:09,465 Okay. 802 00:56:10,105 --> 00:56:14,545 Some cuddles. Give me some cuddles. 803 00:56:16,265 --> 00:56:17,425 I'm good with that. 804 00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:19,825 Cuddles. 805 00:56:22,545 --> 00:56:24,705 Basically the judgment that we can receive 806 00:56:24,825 --> 00:56:26,865 from people from the Afro community, 807 00:56:27,065 --> 00:56:28,385 especially older people, 808 00:56:28,505 --> 00:56:32,465 is that they are critical within, I wouldn't even say ignorance, 809 00:56:32,585 --> 00:56:35,425 but within what they have in society. 810 00:56:35,625 --> 00:56:37,585 If one grows up in a Muslim society, 811 00:56:37,705 --> 00:56:40,041 back in Senegal, for example, which is what I can talk about 812 00:56:40,065 --> 00:56:41,145 because that's what I know. 813 00:56:41,225 --> 00:56:42,305 Even if you are not Muslim, 814 00:56:42,385 --> 00:56:44,585 you are in a majority Muslim country. 815 00:56:44,705 --> 00:56:47,745 So there are a lot of things that have crossed over from religion 816 00:56:47,865 --> 00:56:49,545 to the culture as such, you know? 817 00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:53,465 So it's not an attack like "You fucking dyke!", 818 00:56:53,585 --> 00:56:56,305 but the thought of: These European girls… 819 00:56:56,425 --> 00:56:58,905 These African girls who have grown up in Europe, 820 00:56:59,065 --> 00:57:01,745 have adopted the bad habits of Europe. 821 00:57:01,865 --> 00:57:02,865 From the West. 822 00:57:02,985 --> 00:57:04,641 For example, I actually know that with my mother, 823 00:57:04,665 --> 00:57:07,065 all her drama comes from this sentence I just said. 824 00:57:07,185 --> 00:57:10,145 It is not that she thinks that I am committing a sin. 825 00:57:10,345 --> 00:57:14,145 It's more like I've let my daughter to be poisoned by Europe. 826 00:57:15,145 --> 00:57:16,945 And it's something that makes me laugh a lot, 827 00:57:17,065 --> 00:57:19,305 especially from people like our parents. 828 00:57:19,425 --> 00:57:21,505 My mother now is very religious. 829 00:57:22,425 --> 00:57:25,185 And you say that Islam has never been instilled in you… 830 00:57:25,305 --> 00:57:27,025 First of all, is what I said the other day, 831 00:57:27,145 --> 00:57:30,745 if you raise a daughter or a son with a white person, 832 00:57:30,865 --> 00:57:32,521 there's a lot of things you have to expect. 833 00:57:32,545 --> 00:57:35,785 And if the child is raised in that country, I don't know, 834 00:57:35,905 --> 00:57:38,465 you better lock me in the house to memorize the Koran. 835 00:57:38,585 --> 00:57:40,705 Then maybe I wouldn't come out as dyke, 836 00:57:40,825 --> 00:57:42,785 but I think I would and knowing the Koran. 837 00:57:42,945 --> 00:57:45,665 I think we all have a little bit of this duality 838 00:57:46,145 --> 00:57:47,585 about your identity. 839 00:57:47,745 --> 00:57:50,345 That's what you were saying, for example, 840 00:57:50,465 --> 00:57:53,505 when I go to Guinea, I am 100% white there. 841 00:57:53,625 --> 00:57:56,905 In Senegal, I am white and as you can see I am not white. 842 00:57:57,025 --> 00:58:00,345 Of course. It is due to the fact, 843 00:58:00,465 --> 00:58:01,785 we have grown up here in Europe, 844 00:58:01,905 --> 00:58:05,465 the way we are dressed, the way we think, 845 00:58:05,585 --> 00:58:08,785 is not the same as what they have. 846 00:58:09,505 --> 00:58:12,265 So you're here and you don't obviously just identify 847 00:58:12,385 --> 00:58:14,145 with society because it's like... 848 00:58:15,265 --> 00:58:17,145 No, not really. 849 00:58:17,385 --> 00:58:22,425 So I think that you have to build your identity... 850 00:58:23,425 --> 00:58:27,145 Sometimes I've come to the conclusion that it is not necessary to say, 851 00:58:27,265 --> 00:58:29,585 "Well, I am such and such..." 852 00:58:30,065 --> 00:58:31,265 Less labels. 853 00:58:31,385 --> 00:58:36,145 Yes, it's a bit more ambiguous in a way… 854 00:58:37,465 --> 00:58:39,905 I don't know, it's like I don't... 855 00:58:41,145 --> 00:58:48,665 I don't want to end up defining myself as Afrocatalan. 856 00:58:48,785 --> 00:58:52,225 I don't know, I don't want to put any label on it 857 00:58:52,345 --> 00:58:54,665 because at the end of the day nothing really represents me, 858 00:58:54,865 --> 00:58:56,105 because there will always be... 859 00:58:56,225 --> 00:58:58,705 I mean, even if I am Catalan 860 00:58:58,865 --> 00:59:00,425 and I was born with the Catalan culture, 861 00:59:00,625 --> 00:59:03,465 somehow society has this racism 862 00:59:03,585 --> 00:59:05,225 against people who are not white, 863 00:59:05,345 --> 00:59:07,145 so I can't quite identify 864 00:59:07,265 --> 00:59:09,665 with a society that in some way is also rejecting me. 865 00:59:10,025 --> 00:59:12,985 So it's like... Well, to find... 866 00:59:13,225 --> 00:59:16,305 I think you need to find the way that you feel comfortable 867 00:59:16,425 --> 00:59:20,425 and also find people with whom you can relate, 868 00:59:20,545 --> 00:59:25,185 who share in some way the same experience as you 869 00:59:25,745 --> 00:59:29,265 and how to be comfortable with this duality. 870 00:59:35,785 --> 00:59:38,145 Sara Glossy! What's up? 871 00:59:38,945 --> 00:59:39,945 Can you hear me? 872 00:59:40,065 --> 00:59:42,745 - Yes, and you? - Yeah, me too. 873 00:59:42,865 --> 00:59:45,265 How many people are we? 874 00:59:45,385 --> 00:59:49,945 We're like six, seven, eight, nine. Maybe ten? 875 00:59:50,425 --> 00:59:52,265 - Eight? - More or less. 876 00:59:52,425 --> 00:59:54,985 I don't think the alcohol-free beers are needed. 877 00:59:55,105 --> 00:59:56,665 Because there's a lot of things. 878 00:59:57,225 --> 00:59:58,625 - You sure? - Yes. 879 01:00:00,465 --> 01:00:02,465 Then I'll get something else or… 880 01:00:02,825 --> 01:00:05,265 We're fine. 881 01:00:07,065 --> 01:00:09,385 - Sit dawn. Sat down? - Sit down. 882 01:00:09,505 --> 01:00:11,305 - Sit down over there. - Sit dawn or sat down? 883 01:00:11,665 --> 01:00:13,145 Sit down. 884 01:00:13,625 --> 01:00:15,265 Sit dawn! 885 01:00:16,745 --> 01:00:18,185 Sit down where you can. 886 01:00:19,985 --> 01:00:25,265 Okay, this is coconut rice, with beans and carrots. 887 01:00:25,625 --> 01:00:26,945 All vegan. 888 01:00:29,505 --> 01:00:30,985 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 889 01:00:32,745 --> 01:00:34,465 Rosana, the salad for last, right? 890 01:00:34,665 --> 01:00:36,745 - Huh? - The salad for last, right? 891 01:00:36,865 --> 01:00:37,945 It's here. 892 01:00:39,585 --> 01:00:41,665 - I already got it. - I also want some. 893 01:00:42,145 --> 01:00:45,425 - The last thing. Thanks. - It's there. 894 01:01:03,905 --> 01:01:07,905 In my life not only have I had to come out of the closet 895 01:01:08,025 --> 01:01:11,585 and say I'm gay, but I also had to come out 896 01:01:11,705 --> 01:01:14,185 and say that I'm a whore and... 897 01:01:14,625 --> 01:01:17,425 it's crazy that there are people who... 898 01:01:17,865 --> 01:01:20,265 There are whores, sorry, lesbians, 899 01:01:20,665 --> 01:01:22,945 I made a mistake, lesbians who don't accept this. 900 01:01:23,065 --> 01:01:26,105 They have to come out of the closet and live with discrimination, 901 01:01:26,465 --> 01:01:29,625 and when I come out saying I'm a whore, 902 01:01:30,785 --> 01:01:34,265 it's like if they almost had forgotten 903 01:01:34,385 --> 01:01:37,985 that they suffered discrimination too, you know? 904 01:01:38,585 --> 01:01:40,185 And this seems crazy to me. 905 01:02:04,785 --> 01:02:08,025 I have experienced rejection from lesbians talking about my work, 906 01:02:08,345 --> 01:02:12,505 because maybe they see it as... 907 01:02:13,745 --> 01:02:17,745 a betrayal to my sexuality, right? 908 01:02:18,865 --> 01:02:21,145 Which really has nothing to do with my sexuality. 909 01:02:21,265 --> 01:02:23,185 My work has nothing to do with my sexuality. 910 01:02:23,865 --> 01:02:25,025 Our jobs in general 911 01:02:25,145 --> 01:02:26,825 have nothing to do with our sexuality. 912 01:02:27,305 --> 01:02:29,025 It's kind of absurd to think that. 913 01:02:29,185 --> 01:02:35,305 To say, "Oh, you are a nurse, then you're gay, right?" 914 01:02:35,425 --> 01:02:39,065 Our sexuality has nothing to do with our work. 915 01:02:39,545 --> 01:02:46,585 But since I work with my body and I work with sex for my job... 916 01:02:47,545 --> 01:02:51,465 They often relate that my sexuality has something to do with it. 917 01:03:02,825 --> 01:03:04,105 I love this square. 918 01:03:27,105 --> 01:03:33,265 I have many doubts when it comes to calling myself a lesbian, 919 01:03:33,385 --> 01:03:37,305 because then someone will come and say, "you can't be a lesbian because you… 920 01:03:37,665 --> 01:03:39,585 You work with guys." 921 01:03:40,345 --> 01:03:44,705 My job, obviously, is sex work and it involves sex 922 01:03:44,825 --> 01:03:46,465 with cis men. 923 01:03:46,785 --> 01:03:50,265 I feel like there's like a certain level of gatekeeping 924 01:03:50,385 --> 01:03:54,185 and also that idea of being a gold star lesbian, 925 01:03:54,345 --> 01:03:56,945 is also a really good example of gatekeeping, right? 926 01:03:57,185 --> 01:04:02,505 Deciding who is really a lesbian and who is not, right? 927 01:04:02,945 --> 01:04:05,665 A gold star lesbian means 928 01:04:05,785 --> 01:04:09,785 someone who has never ever fucked a guy in her life. 929 01:04:10,665 --> 01:04:17,225 And really if we think that, then we exclude people who don't… 930 01:04:17,705 --> 01:04:19,345 meet those requirements. 931 01:04:19,465 --> 01:04:21,945 So a lot of lesbians wouldn't be lesbians, 932 01:04:22,065 --> 01:04:28,545 because a lot of people lived in the closet or lived other lives 933 01:04:28,745 --> 01:04:30,425 before they came out. 934 01:04:31,305 --> 01:04:32,825 So gatekeeping 935 01:04:32,945 --> 01:04:37,425 can affect any truly marginalized group. 936 01:04:37,785 --> 01:04:40,345 Like trans women, 937 01:04:40,505 --> 01:04:42,985 racialized women, women who are whores, 938 01:04:43,145 --> 01:04:44,905 women with functional diversity. 939 01:04:46,185 --> 01:04:50,465 And really... Yeah, I don't know, it's something 940 01:04:51,825 --> 01:04:53,185 that also happens in many spaces, 941 01:04:53,305 --> 01:04:57,865 not only in the lesbian world, obviously. 942 01:04:58,025 --> 01:05:02,585 Another thing that they never bring up is that I have women clients as well. 943 01:05:02,985 --> 01:05:04,265 There are female clients. 944 01:05:04,985 --> 01:05:07,625 There are female clients who are wonderful. 945 01:05:10,625 --> 01:05:12,065 And I don't know. 946 01:05:12,505 --> 01:05:15,265 I know a lot of very cool lesbians 947 01:05:15,385 --> 01:05:17,785 who have been in a couple for a lot of years, 948 01:05:17,945 --> 01:05:19,345 and they've hired a whore. 949 01:05:19,465 --> 01:05:22,985 I think that's awesome, the coolest thing you can do. 950 01:05:23,985 --> 01:05:26,825 You want a consultation on something sexual, 951 01:05:26,945 --> 01:05:29,545 why don't you… Oops! 952 01:05:30,665 --> 01:05:33,705 If you want a sexual consultation about something in your relationship, 953 01:05:33,825 --> 01:05:38,345 why don't you go directly to a whore who works with sex on a daily basis? 954 01:05:38,465 --> 01:05:40,865 I think this is very cool. 955 01:05:41,265 --> 01:05:43,985 I'm at a point in my life now that, I haven't reached yet, 956 01:05:44,105 --> 01:05:45,625 but I'm reaching it and above all, 957 01:05:45,745 --> 01:05:47,905 and I'll repeat it a thousand times, thanks to therapy, 958 01:05:48,385 --> 01:05:51,945 which is knowing that they will talk whatever you do. 959 01:05:52,545 --> 01:05:56,385 And even more so being women and more so in a Muslim society, 960 01:05:56,505 --> 01:05:59,065 they will talk no matter what you do: That you don't get married; 961 01:05:59,105 --> 01:06:00,425 That you get married. 962 01:06:00,945 --> 01:06:04,105 Like, that you send money, 963 01:06:04,305 --> 01:06:06,705 that you don't send money, why is she not? 964 01:06:06,825 --> 01:06:09,865 Whatever you do, they will talk. This is something that… 965 01:06:09,985 --> 01:06:11,745 has always been one of my biggest traumas, 966 01:06:11,865 --> 01:06:13,305 I just didn't know what to do 967 01:06:13,425 --> 01:06:14,905 to keep my society from talking. 968 01:06:15,185 --> 01:06:16,225 They're going to talk. 969 01:06:16,345 --> 01:06:19,305 If I wear blue, they'll talk; I'm wearing pink, same; 970 01:06:19,425 --> 01:06:21,465 I've shaved my head, "she shaved her head" 971 01:06:21,585 --> 01:06:24,465 but then four black girls do it, "they shaved". 972 01:06:24,585 --> 01:06:28,825 It's like... "you do you and they solve their own problems". 973 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:32,985 What I am doing is exist without them knowing, you know? 974 01:06:33,105 --> 01:06:34,985 But without hiding it either, 975 01:06:35,105 --> 01:06:37,345 because that is also another burden that we are carrying. 976 01:06:37,385 --> 01:06:40,105 At the time when my Instagram was private, 977 01:06:40,225 --> 01:06:42,121 if I posted pictures with my girlfriend on Facebook, 978 01:06:42,145 --> 01:06:45,745 because I used to do that, "Friend, I love you so much." 979 01:06:45,905 --> 01:06:47,305 Why should I be lying? 980 01:06:47,425 --> 01:06:50,305 Just give the information that you have to give. 981 01:06:50,425 --> 01:06:51,465 I mean, on my Facebook, 982 01:06:51,585 --> 01:06:53,041 which is where I have all my family in Senegal, 983 01:06:53,065 --> 01:06:54,545 I don't have any pictures with Gina. 984 01:06:54,665 --> 01:06:58,025 I post my selfies on Facebook, 985 01:06:58,145 --> 01:07:00,905 me on the beach, me modeling and that's it. 986 01:07:01,065 --> 01:07:03,305 My Instagram is open, they can find it, 987 01:07:03,425 --> 01:07:04,665 I'm not hiding anything, 988 01:07:05,145 --> 01:07:06,345 but I post what I feel like it 989 01:07:06,385 --> 01:07:08,425 because this is my life from here, you know? 990 01:07:23,385 --> 01:07:24,865 - What are you laughing at? - Nothing. 991 01:07:44,705 --> 01:07:47,465 Did your friends ever call you, "Hey, lesbian!"? 992 01:07:47,785 --> 01:07:52,945 Yes... My friends from Las Palmas. My nicknames were black girl and lesbian. 993 01:07:54,425 --> 01:07:56,945 But at that time I didn't see it as a problem 994 01:07:57,065 --> 01:08:00,865 until I started to deconstruct myself, realizing that you can call me girl, 995 01:08:00,985 --> 01:08:03,225 you can call me brown eyes, 996 01:08:03,345 --> 01:08:05,945 you can call me short hair, pink hair, yellow hair 997 01:08:06,065 --> 01:08:07,505 because I used to have colored hair. 998 01:08:07,545 --> 01:08:09,305 But you use black girl and lesbian? 999 01:08:09,785 --> 01:08:12,745 It's like... Your white privilege is showing off, 1000 01:08:12,865 --> 01:08:14,505 cause I'm not calling you "white boy!" 1001 01:08:15,305 --> 01:08:16,865 or white straight. 1002 01:08:18,225 --> 01:08:19,465 You should have. 1003 01:08:26,585 --> 01:08:31,825 A bag... this is too big. 1004 01:08:35,825 --> 01:08:37,665 Yeah, well, this. 1005 01:08:40,385 --> 01:08:45,545 OK. Toys, makeup, tooth brush, 1006 01:08:57,025 --> 01:08:58,145 What else? 1007 01:09:08,265 --> 01:09:10,945 When I arrive I like to put all my stuff, like... 1008 01:09:12,425 --> 01:09:15,105 And, like, in the place... I don't know, 1009 01:09:15,425 --> 01:09:16,865 even if I'm not going to use it. 1010 01:09:30,065 --> 01:09:31,865 It's like a necklace. 1011 01:10:06,265 --> 01:10:09,105 Anyone who has a dissident sexuality 1012 01:10:09,305 --> 01:10:12,345 is in danger when we criminalize sex workers. 1013 01:10:12,985 --> 01:10:15,665 Because all of those things are so intersectional. 1014 01:10:15,785 --> 01:10:18,025 It's impossible to separate it, right? 1015 01:10:18,265 --> 01:10:20,225 So, if we criminalize sex workers, 1016 01:10:20,345 --> 01:10:22,305 we're also criminalizing trans people. 1017 01:10:22,425 --> 01:10:26,265 Queer people, gay people, people with functional diversity. 1018 01:10:26,705 --> 01:10:30,425 So it is something that we have to start thinking about, 1019 01:10:30,545 --> 01:10:33,345 we are not only fighting for the rights of sex workers, 1020 01:10:33,465 --> 01:10:37,585 but so that we can all have sexual freedom, 1021 01:10:37,905 --> 01:10:41,265 that we can do what we want in our actions 1022 01:10:41,385 --> 01:10:43,465 as long as it is with consent. 1023 01:10:44,225 --> 01:10:50,545 My dates with queer people have always been amazing, 1024 01:10:50,705 --> 01:10:54,865 very uplifting because maybe there's a different kind of care. 1025 01:10:55,505 --> 01:11:01,185 For example, different kind of understanding 1026 01:11:01,305 --> 01:11:03,785 also of what sex is. 1027 01:11:04,345 --> 01:11:09,185 And sex is not just focused on the straight point of view 1028 01:11:09,305 --> 01:11:13,505 of penetration, someone has to cum no matter what. 1029 01:11:16,065 --> 01:11:18,945 Dates are more sensual, in general. 1030 01:11:19,505 --> 01:11:22,545 We try to connect in a way… 1031 01:11:24,265 --> 01:11:28,705 let's say very deep way of connecting, 1032 01:11:30,145 --> 01:11:34,585 not only in a sexual way, but also intellectually. 1033 01:11:34,745 --> 01:11:39,265 Or maybe there's a different connection. 1034 01:11:39,385 --> 01:11:43,665 Obviously, since I'm not a straight person, 1035 01:11:43,785 --> 01:11:46,105 when I'm on a date with straight guys, 1036 01:11:46,225 --> 01:11:48,545 I feel like I'm role-playing. 1037 01:11:51,185 --> 01:11:56,465 Acting in a way where I'm not really that authentic. 1038 01:11:57,185 --> 01:12:00,705 And when I'm on my dates with queer people, well... 1039 01:12:01,345 --> 01:12:06,145 I don't have to do this acting thing, being an actress, 1040 01:12:06,265 --> 01:12:07,665 to do a performance. 1041 01:12:07,985 --> 01:12:12,385 It's something more natural and comes out more beautiful. 1042 01:12:12,505 --> 01:12:14,945 I don't think it's better or worse, 1043 01:12:15,065 --> 01:12:20,625 just that I feel better not having to put on a show 1044 01:12:21,665 --> 01:12:25,665 or feel pressure to do that performance, right? 1045 01:13:03,745 --> 01:13:04,865 Blackbird! 1046 01:13:09,065 --> 01:13:11,385 Let's see if the turtledoves come. 1047 01:13:12,785 --> 01:13:17,025 This one works the other way around, I give them a little... 1048 01:13:20,465 --> 01:13:21,625 Well, today... 1049 01:13:25,305 --> 01:13:27,825 Also in the little houses too. 1050 01:13:28,065 --> 01:13:30,465 Oh, there are only husks. 1051 01:13:31,025 --> 01:13:32,905 They must be very hungry. 1052 01:13:38,465 --> 01:13:41,105 I'll catch you. 1053 01:14:00,465 --> 01:14:03,345 Well, let's see if you don't get scared and come. 1054 01:14:06,705 --> 01:14:09,985 I think it is very important to consider that you will grow old, 1055 01:14:10,625 --> 01:14:14,585 and that you have to get used to it, you have to think about it 1056 01:14:14,945 --> 01:14:17,465 because, of course, at the moment, 1057 01:14:17,585 --> 01:14:19,945 there are things that we can no longer do, 1058 01:14:20,225 --> 01:14:23,865 and this makes you think a little bit, 1059 01:14:23,985 --> 01:14:25,305 "Wow, this now, really?" 1060 01:14:25,585 --> 01:14:27,785 and instead you still feel young in spirit. 1061 01:14:27,905 --> 01:14:30,545 But there are things you don't... You can't. 1062 01:14:30,865 --> 01:14:34,225 When I didn't have a partner, sometimes when you think about it 1063 01:14:34,345 --> 01:14:37,025 when you're alone, you think about it. 1064 01:14:37,625 --> 01:14:40,585 Sure, you'll end up in a nursing home. 1065 01:14:41,225 --> 01:14:46,305 But it's always been clear to me, and that's what I've always thought, 1066 01:14:46,745 --> 01:14:50,345 even if it's an all-gender nursing home, 1067 01:14:50,465 --> 01:14:53,225 that it would be the last thing I would choose, 1068 01:14:55,225 --> 01:14:56,985 I will never go back to the closet. 1069 01:14:57,305 --> 01:15:01,465 No. Never. I must be accepted or not accepted, 1070 01:15:01,705 --> 01:15:03,945 or I just don't go. 1071 01:15:04,305 --> 01:15:07,025 Because I had thought about it, that I wouldn't... 1072 01:15:07,305 --> 01:15:09,825 Having to hide from being a lesbian 1073 01:15:09,945 --> 01:15:13,025 and having to change my life or hide? 1074 01:15:13,145 --> 01:15:16,905 Please no, unless another Franco comes along. 1075 01:15:58,465 --> 01:16:00,425 What are the advantages of being a dyke. 1076 01:16:00,545 --> 01:16:04,225 One, of course, that you can have sexual relations 1077 01:16:04,345 --> 01:16:07,985 without the worry of having to create a life. 1078 01:16:08,105 --> 01:16:09,145 That this is a relief 1079 01:16:09,265 --> 01:16:11,065 from what I've been told by my friends. 1080 01:16:11,185 --> 01:16:14,665 Having to create a life how? Ah, to get pregnant, okay. 1081 01:16:14,785 --> 01:16:16,865 Bringing life to this planet. 1082 01:16:17,385 --> 01:16:21,025 The second one, I invite the male gender people 1083 01:16:21,945 --> 01:16:23,825 to get their act together with something, right? 1084 01:16:23,865 --> 01:16:26,265 That this body you also know it. 1085 01:16:26,385 --> 01:16:32,345 So… You understand each other, you last longer too. 1086 01:16:32,505 --> 01:16:34,786 This also happens, the other day we were talking about it, 1087 01:16:34,985 --> 01:16:38,385 that we don't get so tired, that we can repeat. 1088 01:16:38,625 --> 01:16:39,865 This is a good advantage. 1089 01:16:40,185 --> 01:16:41,385 I also think an advantage 1090 01:16:41,505 --> 01:16:45,545 would be the fact that there are not so many things written. 1091 01:16:45,665 --> 01:16:49,185 In the sense of what should be a relationship between two people 1092 01:16:49,305 --> 01:16:51,065 socialized as women or… 1093 01:16:51,305 --> 01:16:53,905 non-binary people or people... 1094 01:16:54,665 --> 01:16:56,025 There's not as much written 1095 01:16:56,145 --> 01:16:58,825 as when it's a cis guy and a cis girl. 1096 01:16:58,945 --> 01:17:00,545 Then is like, this so, that so, 1097 01:17:00,665 --> 01:17:04,585 and you do the dishes and you keep the house. 1098 01:17:04,705 --> 01:17:06,305 In my experience, 1099 01:17:06,425 --> 01:17:07,785 I think this is a very nice thing. 1100 01:17:07,865 --> 01:17:12,625 And somehow you can rewrite 1101 01:17:12,745 --> 01:17:15,545 how you want to relate, how you want to be in bed, 1102 01:17:15,665 --> 01:17:19,545 Try to change some ways of doing. 1103 01:17:21,225 --> 01:17:22,985 I like this a lot actually. 1104 01:18:11,185 --> 01:18:15,025 But I also ask myself, was it necessary? 1105 01:18:15,665 --> 01:18:18,785 I mean, was it necessary to take hormones? 1106 01:18:19,425 --> 01:18:21,225 Because taking them 1107 01:18:21,345 --> 01:18:23,825 has made me change my singing voice. 1108 01:18:23,945 --> 01:18:25,105 So I've lost something, 1109 01:18:25,225 --> 01:18:27,345 or as my singing teacher says, maybe not, 1110 01:18:27,465 --> 01:18:31,385 now I'm taking lessons and maybe I have gained another one. 1111 01:18:31,745 --> 01:18:35,385 So, really, I don't want to see it like, 1112 01:18:36,465 --> 01:18:37,945 what would happen if I hadn't done it? 1113 01:18:38,025 --> 01:18:39,065 But the other way around. 1114 01:18:39,225 --> 01:18:44,385 It's just another process that I lived and I liked it and I'd live it again. 1115 01:18:44,785 --> 01:18:46,345 And if I went back, I'd do it again. 1116 01:18:47,185 --> 01:18:49,465 And maybe later on I'll go back to taking hormones. 1117 01:18:49,585 --> 01:18:54,305 But what I do think is that I consider a lot 1118 01:18:54,425 --> 01:18:58,105 if I did it for myself or because of the vision of others. 1119 01:18:59,185 --> 01:19:02,185 Because of this misogyny, because of this insecurity 1120 01:19:02,665 --> 01:19:04,505 and, of course, this is very problematic. 1121 01:19:05,985 --> 01:19:08,865 I have not had any surgery, 1122 01:19:09,185 --> 01:19:11,425 I haven't made any physical changes, 1123 01:19:12,065 --> 01:19:15,505 But I don't question if you want to have surgery. 1124 01:19:15,625 --> 01:19:16,785 I mean, 1125 01:19:17,065 --> 01:19:22,265 I'm in favor of physical changes in every sense of the word. 1126 01:19:22,905 --> 01:19:26,705 Both cyborgs and trans or whatever. 1127 01:20:17,385 --> 01:20:19,705 In the end it's all fluid a spectrum. 1128 01:20:19,825 --> 01:20:22,065 That's why I already at the beginning 1129 01:20:22,185 --> 01:20:24,745 of my deconstruction of gender and sexuality, 1130 01:20:24,865 --> 01:20:26,705 I kind of said, "I don't like labels", 1131 01:20:26,825 --> 01:20:27,945 so now I'm going back there, 1132 01:20:28,105 --> 01:20:30,865 because I don't always feel the same. 1133 01:20:31,105 --> 01:20:33,665 Why do I always use the feminine pronouns? 1134 01:20:33,785 --> 01:20:37,105 Maybe it's a habit, but I am still a non-binary person. 1135 01:20:37,225 --> 01:20:38,945 So I kind of prefer not to have labels, 1136 01:20:39,105 --> 01:20:41,785 because in the end it's another object of society 1137 01:20:41,905 --> 01:20:43,425 to be able to continue to classify us. 1138 01:20:43,505 --> 01:20:45,825 You're a man, you're a woman, you're white, you're black, 1139 01:20:45,945 --> 01:20:49,465 you're Chinese, you're a lesbian, you're gay, you're transgender. 1140 01:20:49,665 --> 01:20:52,425 But we're all people in the end and we're governed by the same thing. 1141 01:20:52,545 --> 01:20:54,865 In the end, the energy that moves us all 1142 01:20:54,985 --> 01:20:56,905 is what you said, that is love. 1143 01:20:57,025 --> 01:21:01,265 So why do we have to look for labels within this love? 1144 01:21:01,385 --> 01:21:04,665 I prefer this fluidity with which I live now 1145 01:21:04,785 --> 01:21:07,025 - because I feel... - More comfortable. 1146 01:21:07,185 --> 01:21:09,145 It's just that all this has to be changed 1147 01:21:09,265 --> 01:21:10,625 from within society. 1148 01:21:13,465 --> 01:21:16,345 Honestly, the only people who can change this 1149 01:21:16,465 --> 01:21:17,785 are racialized people. 1150 01:21:17,905 --> 01:21:19,625 Because a white person, a white man? 1151 01:21:19,745 --> 01:21:22,585 How many white gay men have a high position? 1152 01:21:22,905 --> 01:21:25,025 How many trans women are there in high positions? 1153 01:21:26,345 --> 01:21:30,905 How many white gay men are there in important top companies? 1154 01:21:31,025 --> 01:21:34,465 How many black LGBT people do you know who have that? 1155 01:21:34,665 --> 01:21:39,625 In the end it's all about the person's oppressions. 1156 01:21:39,905 --> 01:21:42,905 After a lifetime, I'm about to turn 40 1157 01:21:44,665 --> 01:21:46,625 and I've found this place of peace, 1158 01:21:47,105 --> 01:21:51,105 but I also like to think about myself and try not to be rigid 1159 01:21:51,225 --> 01:21:54,225 and say, I don't know who I will be in the future. 1160 01:21:54,385 --> 01:21:59,585 I don't know what it holds, just like when I was younger 1161 01:21:59,705 --> 01:22:02,145 there wasn't all the vocabulary 1162 01:22:02,265 --> 01:22:04,185 to define yourself as non-binary. 1163 01:22:04,785 --> 01:22:07,145 And this tool worked very well for me. 1164 01:22:07,825 --> 01:22:11,705 I don't know if in the future, the new generations 1165 01:22:11,825 --> 01:22:17,985 will offer us things that you'll say: "Wow, this is so clever!" 1166 01:22:18,105 --> 01:22:19,905 And then this also works for me. 1167 01:22:20,025 --> 01:22:24,745 The best thing in the world, is to be able to be something else. 1168 01:22:24,905 --> 01:22:28,705 And I think the whole issue of the rigidity 1169 01:22:28,825 --> 01:22:31,465 of identities and lesbian identity. 1170 01:22:32,105 --> 01:22:34,145 What should be the lesbian identity? 1171 01:22:34,265 --> 01:22:37,105 It must be closed and hermetic. 1172 01:22:37,505 --> 01:22:43,705 It surely is as a way of protecting itself 1173 01:22:43,905 --> 01:22:46,225 from an environment that is very aggressive. 1174 01:22:46,345 --> 01:22:47,865 Or even harmful. 1175 01:22:49,185 --> 01:22:56,185 But I also like to think that the limits are not so clear. 1176 01:22:56,305 --> 01:22:59,665 They are not so marked and can be much more diffuse, 1177 01:22:59,785 --> 01:23:03,745 especially because this makes us freer people in the end. 1178 01:28:48,265 --> 01:28:52,121 Those born after us will cast a sigh towards me, 1179 01:28:52,145 --> 01:28:56,105 who loved with profound determination, towards you, my desire. 1180 01:30:23,812 --> 01:30:27,772 TO EVERYONE WE TALKED TO OR CONTACTED AT SOME POINT, 1181 01:30:27,804 --> 01:30:30,324 WHO SHARED YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH US: THANK YOU. 95786

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