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I can know you're going you're going home today

does not mean I'm forcing you to

to go home right

so me

and me having pre knowledge of an action you would do

does not necessarily I'm forcing you to do the action

okay I'll give an example

let's say the the World Cup is going to to come yeah

let's say I go to the future

and I know that the Brazil are gonna

are gonna win the World Cup okay

and then I go back to the past

and I'm watching Brazil winning the World Cup

am I forcing them to win no okay

so they

based on the choices that they made during the year

and during the match and the preparation

was the result of them winning the World Cup

my prior knowledge to it

did not influence their choices

in a bit do you agree with me yeah okay

so the creator knows our choices

but he knows it because we will choose it

not because he knows it we will choose it

you see there's a bit intricate

let me repeat it again

so the creator knows the things that we will choose

it's not that we are choosing them

because the creator knows them

you understand the difference between the two

he knows the present the past and the future right yeah

already our students wouldn't be the creator otherwise

yeah exactly

then in that sense then he would know it

he would know everything

it's not I agree that he knows everything

I'm not disagreeing that he knows

you know the option with you

so he knows

he knows whether you will go to Paris or not yeah

yeah I agree with you so what's the thing

yeah

that's the thing but but do you know where you gonna go

okay so when you make your choices

you make your choices completely free right

so it's irrelevant of whether Allah knows or not

you do not know and because you do not know

you make your choices on a day to day basis

just because Allah knows

does not mean he's forcing you to do anything

I don't understand why you complaining to knowledge

does not necessarily

me forcing you to do a specific thing

it's not worth it more like if safe example

because that's what it means not to have free will

that you forced to do things no

no no okay

what I'm trying to get is more like save

save people of born in certain circumstances okay

environment is a sure thing that can shape of course

of course absolutely agree with you yeah

say if you do couple of sins

obviously to be happiest feeling to be happy yeah okay

okay sure

sure I understand yeah

do you know to survive yes

you gonna go are you gonna get punished now

that's a different question

are we done with the first question

we move to the second

question the simple questions yeah okay

the second question and the answer is the following

right we believe the creator

is having a more important conversation

aren't you Muslim me muscle

I am come on my leave

the guy had to talk about allow you taking him away

well kind of just yeah

give us give us two minutes of them

give us two minutes

you Somali

I'll come here no no

let me answer your question

let me answer let me answer your question right

the creator judges us based on on our surroundings

so the Creator Allah

tells us that

you'll only be held accountable for what your capacity

can do Allah does not ask you to be a superhero

so for example

there is a there is a punishment in Islam

the punishment to suspended at the time of Amur

because there was a feminine people were stealing

because they were stealing to survive

so there was no punishment for them

and there is no sin for them for doing that

so in these situations

in which you forced to do a specific thing

there's no longer harm on you

the Francis illamatory to me

except that which you have to do by necessity

then it's it's okay

so there are things that are permissible

but it's by necessity you have no choice

then there is no sin on you right

but the person goes to fire that

so hellfire is based on him believing a creator

or not and him believing in a creator or not

he's born knowing in his heart

there has to be something

that brought this universe into existence

if he then chooses to reject the creator

this is how the person ends up in hellfire

now he might have heard the message

he has a different test on the day of judgment also

the Quran says Allah is completely just right

but Allah will show you the signs like today

Allah is giving you the message

answering good questions showing you the sign

Allah says

he will show you the sign within the horizon

and within yourself

until it's clear that this is the truth

but then it is your choice to accept the truth

and reject the truth so right now

is anyone forcing you not to accept Islam

are the answers I'm giving you reasonable

yeah how about so I stopping you

you see where we come from yeah

we this is your choice

we don't force Islam on anyone

we believe Islam is a valuable thing

you should want to be a Muslim

not me trying to force you to be you get the point

so this is our position it's your

it's completely your choice at all

so if I have a choice to choose Christianity

but you would choose Christian if you have a choice

but that means you're following your desires

that means you're following your desires

does Christianity make logical sense

okay does it

make sense that God became a baby

and that he was breastfeeding from his mother

and he was going to he was changing his nappies

but the thing is God can do everything no

no no

I'm making I'm making a question now

God is is always so he just doesn't just do anything

right he does wise choices

so would the creator become a baby

and breastfeed from a woman

come out of a vagina of a woman and be like

changing his nap is then go to the toilet

and I guess but this is how it happened in my

my changes is the truth right

if if I ask

can God not

it's not about God can and or can't

it's about it's about what he does

God does what befit befits his majesty

I'll give you an example can you beat a child

you can't be the child you can't physically

I can I can choose to

but morality

but you wouldn't do it because of your characteristics

the creator has characteristics

he doesn't do specific things

because it doesn't fit his majesty

so but he can or he can

you can't beat the child why would Jesus say that

he's a son of course

son of God in the Bible does not mean divine

doesn't mean divine yeah

yeah it's like the Bible says

blessed be the peacemakers for thee

they shall be called the sons of God

any peacemakers the son of God

it means that God takes care of you you know

when you meet somebody say my son

does that mean he's an old man to steal my son

can you bring this or

that is a metaphorical understanding of the word

that's why they say the Holy Trinity is like

do the Trinity says that his actual son

the Trinity is a begotten son like we have children

this is a problem with the Trinity

the Trinity is not in the Bible

and does not make logical sense

let me ask you this question

if I say father and son and Holy Spirit are one yeah

okay how many how many do we have

okay so if the father is not the son how many

they are

the father is not the son

and the son is not the Holy Spirit

that's what the Trinity says

the father is distinct from the from the from the son

there's a different person

right they're the same person

not then you don't understand the Trinity

the Trinity is one being three persons

and it doesn't seem like you understood the Trinity

okay let me let me ask so water right

trust me it's not gonna help you

that allergy water a finish is trying to give you ice

okay

can I tell you why that allergy is not gonna help you

this is called

this is a Harrison House called modelism

but you believe that god has different modes

sometimes he's in the mode of the father

sometimes he's in the mode of the son

but that's not what Christians believe

Christians believe all the time he is the father

the son and the Holy Spirit

there is no point in which water is steam

ice and liquid in the same time

but the Trinity the father is the father son

I was raised the same time

that's why the and he's not gonna have

he's different he's a

he's a different dimension

so now you're running outside yes

right because he live in the universe

let me agree with you no

no let me agree with you

let me agree with you no

no no

I'm just asking does he live in this universe

in the universe no

no no

no no no

no so in terms of the laws in this universe

can't be applied to him right

not the same way applies to us obviously

but I'm not that's not the point I'm making

the point I'm making

where is the Trinity in the Bible to begin with

you're making a claim or you cannot understand God

God has to first tell you his eternity

and then we discuss whether we can understand

or we cannot understand God right

where does he say his identity to begin with

is a Christian is a concept is not even there

God says he worship me no

no no

no no

no no

I'm saying the scripture

there is two people

where is the Trinity there in the Bible

from Genesis revelations

you read the Bible have you read the Bible

bits and pieces so

so there is no Trinity there is no Trinity

there no Trinity in the Bible

there is no Trinity anywhere in the Bible

there's no

any verse that says that there are three in one

the father son and husband are one

there's no verse that differentiate between the big

and the person there's no such thing

in fact the Bible shows that Jesus is not god

I'll tell you why if the Father

Sarahosm faith are one entity

then they should all have the same knowledge

if the fully god right

cause they're all god so Jesus knows everything

but the Bible shows that Jesus know everything

Jesus says in Mark 13:32

no one knows the day and the hour

not the angels in heaven not the son

only the father

how can one person know and another person not know

when they are the same entity

how can Jesus say the father is greater than I

how can Jesus seek help when he's in the cross

father why have you forsaken me

the wrong entity when Jesus prays

why is he praying to himself

Jesus Christ

the Trinity does not make the one that

when I say Christian doesn't make sense

it is the question that I'm providing for you now

the concept of the Trinity

has nothing to do with the Bible

Bible opposes it completely

Jesus said to you there is only one true god

you know who's the one true god is the Father

Jesus says in John 17 three

there's only one true god

the father so Jesus says there is only one true god

why are people saying there's

there's more than one

are you a priest

oh excellent

that we have a nice discussion with this guy

you know okay

you have a priest here right

because I don't want you to think

I don't want you to think that

maybe you're talking to us

things that you don't have information

knowledge about he should have knowledge about this

because he's trying to be a priest

can you

is it okay if I ask you a question

because I brought you into a conversation

I apologize right

can you show us the Trinity in the Bible

Father Son

Holy Spirit but that's not what the Trinity is

yes it is

can you define the Trinity

yes if we look at the prophet Isaiah for an example

in the in the Torah

look towards the east what do you find

a woman a woman

a woman with a woman with child

I apologize what's your name

Carl Carl

Carl my name is Muhammad

my question to you

Carl is what is the concept of the Trinity

can you define the Trinity in human terms

define the Trinity and understand for us to understand

I'll tell you and you tell me if I'm wrong

the charity is three persons

distinct persons distinct persons in one entity 1 b

correct where is that concept

that the three are persons and they are one entity

in the Bible

but as I told you

if you look at if you look at the prophet Isaiah

look at the show me where where Isaiah

I know as I have read the Bible

so what which part was I you know

I catch it you know I'm a Muslim

I know I told you I'm a Muslim

I'm not arguing for years

no but you don't know me

why do you assume what I'm doing

many Muslims are questioned maybe the argue

I don't argue I just have a nice discussion

I'm not saying you're on your back

it's a smart tricky question yeah

it is a tricky question so

oh yeah I'll use the Bible though

this is the Bible if any place we can use

please show us where is I am waiting

go ahead yeah

sure it's only tricky

it's not a tricky question

five minutes yeah

yeah I'll let you go in five minutes

what's your question no

I was telling him I was making a claim

I was making a claim the Trinity is not in the Bible

I'm not a proper Christian but

okay so as we know

can you show us in the Bible

I was having a discussion with him

so I'm trying to make a point

I know the gospel of Luke yeah

well as the angel said to Gabriel

Holy Spirit goes through here okay

so if something goes through you music goes into you

correct Holy Spirit

yes okay so no

no but if it goes through you

that means there was a point where it was not into you

and you no begin with

it's always been us so

how is it gonna go in you when he was already in you

I'm a transfiguration

exactly a configuration it's had people say to us

are you a Jesus God no

but that's not my question my question is different now

no no

but I'm asking that right now at the particular points

Jesus became god of the transigration of the mountain

to prove he was a god and at the same time

what did Jesus say his god in the Bible

the gospel of Matthew what did he say

as Peter was on the mountain

he said I am God

that's a lie no I thought you priest

you should you should you should you know

one of the commanders is that that shall not lie right

to claim he's God no

no no you no

no you said Jesus said

I am God and that that term does not exist

I understand you believe he's God

I I understand I understand I'll let him go right now

I'm sorry I apologize

I I understand that but I'm making a claim

he didn't say these

words you made a claim that he did say which is a lie

but it's okay it's okay I'll just finish with him

and we'll have a conversation right

so point is point of chance to make is this

you can go as well and do your research on this issue

the Bible is here

and I offered it till he's gonna become a priest

cannot show us a Trinity in the Bible

you can go home do your own research

you'd realize the concept is not there

that's why we're saying the message of Islam simple

there's one creator

there's prophets and messengers one of them is Jesus

Moses Noah Prophet Muhammad right

so make make your research

and if you have any questions

come back I'm gonna have a discussion with him

because he's saying Jesus God

you've got the magnificent car

I will keep you more than that

I already they hate me already now

sorry

I'm more interested in the Bible

okay let's have a discussion I'll come here

let's have a discussion

because we are in the middle of the of the

of the way configuration

where what about the Transfiguration Peter

Peter and James and John went on the on the mountain

right and Jesus