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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,907 --> 00:00:09,742 I lived here in Greenwood, Mississippi, 2 00:00:09,775 --> 00:00:14,244 off and on from the age of 7 until I was 18. 3 00:00:14,246 --> 00:00:22,246 ♪ ♪ 4 00:00:22,288 --> 00:00:25,188 I crossed a lot of hurdles here. 5 00:00:25,190 --> 00:00:27,825 Started first grade, 6 00:00:27,827 --> 00:00:30,460 learned how to drive a car, 7 00:00:30,462 --> 00:00:33,364 fell in love for the first time. 8 00:00:33,366 --> 00:00:36,066 I also crossed another hurdle here. 9 00:00:36,068 --> 00:00:38,871 I experienced death. 10 00:00:41,873 --> 00:00:45,676 My paternal grandmother, my brother. 11 00:00:45,678 --> 00:00:48,478 We all go through this, of course. 12 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:51,749 Everybody grieves, 13 00:00:51,751 --> 00:00:57,288 but some people have a certainty that helps them cope with grief. 14 00:00:57,290 --> 00:00:59,857 They're certain they will see their loved ones again 15 00:00:59,859 --> 00:01:02,592 in heaven. 16 00:01:02,594 --> 00:01:05,295 For some of us it's not quite that simple. 17 00:01:05,297 --> 00:01:11,601 In fact, it's the greatest question we ask ourselves. 18 00:01:11,603 --> 00:01:15,005 What happens when we die? 19 00:01:15,007 --> 00:01:23,007 ♪ ♪ 20 00:01:23,181 --> 00:01:26,550 Now I'm embarking on an epic adventure 21 00:01:26,552 --> 00:01:32,793 to discover what we believe lies beyond death and why. 22 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:38,496 Is there any scientific support for the soul? 23 00:01:38,498 --> 00:01:41,431 I'll learn the true purpose of the afterlife 24 00:01:41,433 --> 00:01:42,899 for ancient Egyptians. 25 00:01:42,901 --> 00:01:44,934 Oh, my goodness, look at all this. 26 00:01:44,936 --> 00:01:48,639 Why the story of one man's rebirth was so powerful 27 00:01:48,641 --> 00:01:50,206 it swept the globe. 28 00:01:50,208 --> 00:01:52,342 It is the resurrection of Jesus 29 00:01:52,344 --> 00:01:55,044 that proves that he's the Messiah. 30 00:01:55,046 --> 00:01:57,681 How the Hindu faith erased the fear of death. 31 00:01:57,683 --> 00:02:01,951 I accept that as an inevitable part of life. 32 00:02:01,953 --> 00:02:03,788 And I'll explore how science 33 00:02:03,790 --> 00:02:05,723 is trying to capture the soul. 34 00:02:05,725 --> 00:02:08,328 I hope to be fully human someday. 35 00:02:10,296 --> 00:02:14,165 To bring eternal life to this life. 36 00:02:14,167 --> 00:02:22,167 ♪ ♪ 37 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:29,814 ♪ ♪ 38 00:02:29,816 --> 00:02:32,349 What is beyond death? 39 00:02:32,351 --> 00:02:35,552 How can any of us know? 40 00:02:35,554 --> 00:02:37,453 But some people think they do, 41 00:02:37,455 --> 00:02:40,523 because they've been to the brink of death. 42 00:02:40,525 --> 00:02:44,861 ♪ ♪ 43 00:02:44,863 --> 00:02:47,498 Former research diver David Bennett 44 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,867 is one of those people. 45 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:53,070 Which one are you looking at? 46 00:02:53,072 --> 00:02:55,105 This window here, 47 00:02:55,107 --> 00:02:59,409 the one with Jesus in the lower corner there. 48 00:02:59,411 --> 00:03:01,511 He's quieting the storm. 49 00:03:01,513 --> 00:03:09,513 ♪ ♪ 50 00:03:15,794 --> 00:03:19,163 Back in 1983, off the California coast 51 00:03:19,165 --> 00:03:23,033 there was a storm, about 25 to 30-foot seas, 52 00:03:23,035 --> 00:03:25,802 and so we started heading in. 53 00:03:25,804 --> 00:03:29,373 ♪ ♪ 54 00:03:29,375 --> 00:03:31,975 And all of a sudden, we fell off a 30-footer... 55 00:03:31,977 --> 00:03:33,576 that fast... 56 00:03:33,578 --> 00:03:35,948 and we just slid right off. 57 00:03:39,417 --> 00:03:41,552 And I looked up and there was the next one, 58 00:03:41,554 --> 00:03:43,953 and it came right down on top of us. 59 00:03:43,955 --> 00:03:47,091 I was in the bow, it catapulted me into the sea, 60 00:03:47,093 --> 00:03:51,562 and I was just tumbled and tossed like a rag doll. 61 00:03:51,564 --> 00:03:58,736 ♪ ♪ 62 00:03:58,738 --> 00:04:01,675 You can only hold your breath so long. 63 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:07,544 You reach a point of release where you just, you just let go 64 00:04:07,546 --> 00:04:10,381 and you breathe in salt water. 65 00:04:10,383 --> 00:04:15,052 And it's, it's quite a violent way to die. 66 00:04:15,054 --> 00:04:22,593 ♪ ♪ 67 00:04:22,595 --> 00:04:24,360 No idea how deep? 68 00:04:24,362 --> 00:04:27,163 I hadn't, I had totally lost my awareness 69 00:04:27,165 --> 00:04:30,300 of my body and the ocean at this point. 70 00:04:30,302 --> 00:04:35,739 ♪ ♪ 71 00:04:35,741 --> 00:04:39,343 Then I noticed this light. 72 00:04:39,345 --> 00:04:44,848 It was millions upon millions of fragments of light. 73 00:04:44,850 --> 00:04:49,485 ♪ ♪ 74 00:04:49,487 --> 00:04:51,021 In all different colors, 75 00:04:51,023 --> 00:04:53,523 and they were all dancing and swirling, 76 00:04:53,525 --> 00:04:55,960 but kind of like they were one mind, though, 77 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:58,265 and it was infinite. 78 00:05:00,866 --> 00:05:02,333 What did you think? 79 00:05:02,335 --> 00:05:05,302 Did you think, or you've just experienced this feeling? 80 00:05:05,304 --> 00:05:06,470 Well, I mean, I knew 81 00:05:06,472 --> 00:05:08,973 I wasn't in Kansas anymore, you know. 82 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:12,343 I knew I had left my body, 83 00:05:12,345 --> 00:05:16,112 and as I approached this mass of light, 84 00:05:16,114 --> 00:05:18,682 it was a familiar home. 85 00:05:18,684 --> 00:05:23,086 And, and it was a relationship that was so much deeper 86 00:05:23,088 --> 00:05:25,689 than any relationship I'd ever had here. 87 00:05:25,691 --> 00:05:27,925 And then I reached a certain point 88 00:05:27,927 --> 00:05:35,331 where these millions of fragments of light spoke. 89 00:05:35,333 --> 00:05:39,035 ♪ ♪ 90 00:05:39,037 --> 00:05:42,141 And they said, 'This is not your time.' 91 00:05:44,576 --> 00:05:49,812 'You must return, you have a purpose.' 92 00:05:49,814 --> 00:05:54,550 I was watching my body and I was mesmerized, 93 00:05:54,552 --> 00:05:58,054 because I knew I was gonna go back in that body. 94 00:05:58,056 --> 00:06:02,091 ♪ ♪ 95 00:06:02,093 --> 00:06:03,627 And as the next set of waves came, 96 00:06:03,629 --> 00:06:06,163 they pounded my body up against all this wreckage 97 00:06:06,165 --> 00:06:09,833 and pushed some of that salt water out of my lungs, 98 00:06:09,835 --> 00:06:13,069 and that's when I found myself back in my body. 99 00:06:13,071 --> 00:06:18,708 ♪ ♪ 100 00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:23,913 About how long were you in the water, under? 101 00:06:23,915 --> 00:06:27,050 Yeah, the, the crew that were looking for me 102 00:06:27,052 --> 00:06:29,886 said I was there from anywhere from 15 to 18 minutes 103 00:06:29,888 --> 00:06:31,388 under this, under the water. 104 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:33,156 15 to 18 minutes. 105 00:06:33,158 --> 00:06:34,658 Yeah. 106 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:37,360 So you're 15 to 18 minutes without a breath of air. 107 00:06:37,362 --> 00:06:39,696 Right. 108 00:06:39,698 --> 00:06:42,632 Okay. 109 00:06:42,634 --> 00:06:48,639 So, David, all that you've told me is, is such a story. 110 00:06:48,641 --> 00:06:50,473 Mm-hmm. 111 00:06:50,475 --> 00:06:54,211 Does it make you believe in an afterlife? 112 00:06:54,213 --> 00:06:56,280 I do believe in an afterlife. 113 00:06:56,282 --> 00:07:00,316 I believe that our being, our soul, 114 00:07:00,318 --> 00:07:04,655 whatever you may want to call it, lives on, 115 00:07:04,657 --> 00:07:08,759 and that we have opportunities to come back. 116 00:07:08,761 --> 00:07:11,127 And I never thought of any of that beforehand. 117 00:07:11,129 --> 00:07:15,165 I, I'm, you know, it just wasn't on my radar. 118 00:07:15,167 --> 00:07:18,938 Now here we sit in this cathedral. 119 00:07:21,706 --> 00:07:24,374 You haven't mentioned God. 120 00:07:24,376 --> 00:07:28,444 That light, that was God to me. 121 00:07:28,446 --> 00:07:31,247 That was God. 122 00:07:31,249 --> 00:07:34,384 So the message is from God. 123 00:07:34,386 --> 00:07:35,651 Yeah. 124 00:07:35,653 --> 00:07:38,655 And I believe that you can find that spirituality 125 00:07:38,657 --> 00:07:41,124 in all different beliefs. 126 00:07:41,126 --> 00:07:43,559 I don't subscribe to just one belief anymore. 127 00:07:43,561 --> 00:07:45,828 I try... I love... my library at home 128 00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:48,232 has all different beliefs represented. 129 00:07:48,234 --> 00:07:50,169 So does mine. 130 00:07:51,804 --> 00:07:53,437 David's incredible story 131 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,841 reminds me of an experience I had many years ago. 132 00:07:57,843 --> 00:08:00,210 ♪ ♪ 133 00:08:00,212 --> 00:08:04,148 I have seen a light, not in a near-death experience, 134 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:06,550 I was just passing out. 135 00:08:06,552 --> 00:08:14,424 And what I perceived was the tiniest beam of light 136 00:08:14,426 --> 00:08:22,232 that to me was the final form of life. 137 00:08:22,234 --> 00:08:25,869 It just occurred to me, holy cow, there it is. 138 00:08:25,871 --> 00:08:28,337 There is the light that everybody talks about. 139 00:08:28,339 --> 00:08:31,108 But it's a common theme among people 140 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:34,177 who say they have had a near-death experience 141 00:08:34,179 --> 00:08:36,547 or an out-of-body experience. 142 00:08:36,549 --> 00:08:38,382 What they see is a light. 143 00:08:38,384 --> 00:08:42,251 Some people have seen Jesus in, in this light; 144 00:08:42,253 --> 00:08:46,690 other people just see a bright light. 145 00:08:46,692 --> 00:08:48,191 The hope for life beyond death 146 00:08:48,193 --> 00:08:51,894 seems to be an almost universal instinct. 147 00:08:51,896 --> 00:08:53,764 But I want to know how the afterlife 148 00:08:53,766 --> 00:08:57,634 first became part of religion. 149 00:08:57,636 --> 00:09:00,736 So, I'm going to Egypt... 150 00:09:00,738 --> 00:09:06,842 ♪ ♪ 151 00:09:06,844 --> 00:09:11,047 to the place where the first great monuments to the afterlife 152 00:09:11,049 --> 00:09:12,648 still stand. 153 00:09:12,650 --> 00:09:17,687 ♪ ♪ 154 00:09:19,424 --> 00:09:26,163 ♪ ♪ 155 00:09:26,165 --> 00:09:27,898 Here we are in Sakkara. 156 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:30,100 That's the step pyramid of King Djoser, 157 00:09:30,102 --> 00:09:32,101 and it's one of the first pyramids. 158 00:09:32,103 --> 00:09:34,337 It is the first pyramid ever to be built. 159 00:09:34,339 --> 00:09:35,571 That one is over there? 160 00:09:35,573 --> 00:09:39,109 Yes. This entire site is a big cemetery. 161 00:09:39,111 --> 00:09:41,378 So the ideas that people now have 162 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:43,614 about rebirth and resurrection 163 00:09:43,616 --> 00:09:45,816 all started here in Sakkara 164 00:09:45,818 --> 00:09:48,552 about 5,000 years ago, not earlier. 165 00:09:48,554 --> 00:09:52,589 So this is maybe the birth of afterlife thought. 166 00:09:52,591 --> 00:09:55,926 Yeah, you could say that. 167 00:09:55,928 --> 00:09:59,663 Egyptologist Salima Ikram is taking me to see 168 00:09:59,665 --> 00:10:04,938 the tomb of a pharaoh who ruled almost 4,400 years ago. 169 00:10:07,506 --> 00:10:12,075 Inside it are humanity's oldest written descriptions 170 00:10:12,077 --> 00:10:14,112 of the afterlife. 171 00:10:15,581 --> 00:10:16,779 This is a causeway, 172 00:10:16,781 --> 00:10:19,916 and we're going towards the temple of Unas. 173 00:10:19,918 --> 00:10:24,288 This part is where they would be dragging the body of the king 174 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:27,658 once it had been mummified up here. 175 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:29,459 I'm looking here at these stones. 176 00:10:29,461 --> 00:10:31,727 I know I couldn't lift one. 177 00:10:31,729 --> 00:10:36,566 And this looks like it was built in the '50s or '60s. 178 00:10:36,568 --> 00:10:39,602 But it is actually built about 4,000 years ago. 179 00:10:39,604 --> 00:10:41,370 - Yeah. - A bit more than that. 180 00:10:41,372 --> 00:10:43,874 Unbelievable, Salima, unbelievable. 181 00:10:43,876 --> 00:10:48,044 ♪ ♪ 182 00:10:48,046 --> 00:10:51,947 We go up here, you can see there's the pyramid, 183 00:10:51,949 --> 00:10:53,683 and it doesn't look like very much right now. 184 00:10:53,685 --> 00:10:54,850 It looks really like... 185 00:10:54,852 --> 00:10:56,419 - Looks like a hill. - Yup. 186 00:10:56,421 --> 00:11:00,990 But what's important about it is what's inside. 187 00:11:00,992 --> 00:11:04,360 You're going to have to mind your head. 188 00:11:04,362 --> 00:11:06,730 Now, is this little people in here or...? 189 00:11:06,732 --> 00:11:09,132 My size. 190 00:11:09,134 --> 00:11:11,967 So, you'll have to duck again for this bit. 191 00:11:11,969 --> 00:11:18,341 ♪ ♪ 192 00:11:18,343 --> 00:11:22,946 Also, you have to bend to show that you're being respectful 193 00:11:22,948 --> 00:11:24,914 to the great god king. 194 00:11:24,916 --> 00:11:26,182 Is that what this is all about? 195 00:11:26,184 --> 00:11:28,985 Partially, yeah. 196 00:11:28,987 --> 00:11:31,020 And here we are. 197 00:11:31,022 --> 00:11:35,491 ♪ ♪ 198 00:11:35,493 --> 00:11:39,562 Oh, my goodness, look at all this. 199 00:11:39,564 --> 00:11:41,597 Fabulous, huh? 200 00:11:41,599 --> 00:11:44,801 ♪ ♪ 201 00:11:44,803 --> 00:11:46,536 What is all the writing about? 202 00:11:46,538 --> 00:11:49,639 Basically, these are magic spells or religious spells 203 00:11:49,641 --> 00:11:51,273 that Unas had inscribed 204 00:11:51,275 --> 00:11:54,177 so that when he wanted to go from this world to the next, 205 00:11:54,179 --> 00:11:56,278 he had to recite all of these things, 206 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,947 and they give him directions. 207 00:11:57,949 --> 00:12:00,984 If he's going to pass through anything dangerous, 208 00:12:00,986 --> 00:12:03,356 what to do, what do say. 209 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:07,691 What do these prayers say? 210 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:09,826 Well, and there's one here that, you know, 211 00:12:09,828 --> 00:12:12,528 'Rise up, Unas, and will know the magic 212 00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:15,197 and you can be triumphant over the demons.' 213 00:12:15,199 --> 00:12:19,936 Over here, 'Unas will go forward and his soul will live forever.' 214 00:12:19,938 --> 00:12:21,871 Basically, this one gives him dominance 215 00:12:21,873 --> 00:12:24,975 over any demon-faced creatures. 216 00:12:24,977 --> 00:12:28,043 And you see his name repeated again and again and again 217 00:12:28,045 --> 00:12:29,345 throughout the wall. 218 00:12:29,347 --> 00:12:31,248 Okay, that's what I was looking at. 219 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:33,682 There's so much repetition, but that's his name. 220 00:12:33,684 --> 00:12:36,052 Yeah. 221 00:12:36,054 --> 00:12:38,855 These secret spells are a survival guide 222 00:12:38,857 --> 00:12:41,457 for souls passing through the underworld. 223 00:12:41,459 --> 00:12:45,294 ♪ ♪ 224 00:12:45,296 --> 00:12:47,898 And the key to understanding why the afterlife 225 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:50,700 was so important to the Egyptians. 226 00:12:50,702 --> 00:12:55,105 ♪ ♪ 227 00:12:55,107 --> 00:12:56,639 Okay. 228 00:12:56,641 --> 00:12:58,475 This is the main burial chamber. 229 00:12:58,477 --> 00:13:00,177 This is it, this is the main event. 230 00:13:00,179 --> 00:13:03,145 And this is the... oh, my goodness. 231 00:13:03,147 --> 00:13:04,181 This is a sarcophagus. 232 00:13:04,183 --> 00:13:05,448 Yep. 233 00:13:05,450 --> 00:13:07,216 This is, this big, fat thing is a sarcophagus, 234 00:13:07,218 --> 00:13:10,553 and that's where Unas would have been laid. 235 00:13:10,555 --> 00:13:11,922 Well, I'm sorry, he's not here. 236 00:13:11,924 --> 00:13:13,190 I'd like to shake his hand, 237 00:13:13,192 --> 00:13:15,859 say, 'Hello, how you been? What's going on?' 238 00:13:16,794 --> 00:13:17,827 Okay. 239 00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:19,796 And are these more spells? 240 00:13:19,798 --> 00:13:21,163 Yep. 241 00:13:21,165 --> 00:13:23,399 And so this whole thing is really this resurrection machine 242 00:13:23,401 --> 00:13:27,870 for Unas and his spirit. 243 00:13:27,872 --> 00:13:30,807 At nightfall, Unas' soul would reanimate 244 00:13:30,809 --> 00:13:34,577 his modified body and make a treacherous journey. 245 00:13:34,579 --> 00:13:36,779 He would cross a lake of fire 246 00:13:36,781 --> 00:13:41,051 passing through gates guarded by demons and snakes. 247 00:13:41,053 --> 00:13:45,455 Without his sacred spells, he would be devoured. 248 00:13:45,457 --> 00:13:48,991 With them, he could arrive and sit with the eternal gods 249 00:13:48,993 --> 00:13:51,561 in the starry heavens. 250 00:13:51,563 --> 00:13:53,363 He wakes up at night. 251 00:13:53,365 --> 00:13:54,630 Mm-hmm. 252 00:13:54,632 --> 00:13:56,765 He gets up and he starts his, his journeys. 253 00:13:56,767 --> 00:13:59,436 The next night he wakes up and he starts, 254 00:13:59,438 --> 00:14:01,904 and he does the exact same thing all over again. 255 00:14:01,906 --> 00:14:03,907 And then the next night he gets up 256 00:14:03,909 --> 00:14:05,174 and he does the same thing all over. 257 00:14:05,176 --> 00:14:06,909 And then the next night he gets up and he does... 258 00:14:06,911 --> 00:14:08,879 Forever and ever and ever. 259 00:14:08,881 --> 00:14:10,379 It's a bit tiring. 260 00:14:10,381 --> 00:14:12,648 Maybe, maybe not, I mean, it's all he's got. 261 00:14:12,650 --> 00:14:14,484 Yeah, I guess so. 262 00:14:14,486 --> 00:14:16,086 That's what a king does, 263 00:14:16,088 --> 00:14:20,624 because by doing this, by going through this eternal battle 264 00:14:20,626 --> 00:14:23,025 and being, becoming one with the sun god, 265 00:14:23,027 --> 00:14:25,762 what the king does is make the world safe. 266 00:14:25,764 --> 00:14:27,029 Okay. 267 00:14:27,031 --> 00:14:30,100 Do we have to, uh, is there another way out of here? 268 00:14:30,102 --> 00:14:31,967 Do we have to bend over again? 269 00:14:31,969 --> 00:14:33,537 Sorry, we have to bend over again 270 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:36,342 to become one with the eternal stars. 271 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:41,043 Lead on. 272 00:14:41,045 --> 00:14:42,845 For the ancient Egyptians, 273 00:14:42,847 --> 00:14:45,715 the afterlife of the pharaoh was vital. 274 00:14:45,717 --> 00:14:48,788 It ensured the sun would rise each morning. 275 00:14:50,789 --> 00:14:53,023 Their enormous monuments didn't just ensure 276 00:14:53,025 --> 00:14:56,225 the pharaohs would survive beyond death. 277 00:14:56,227 --> 00:14:58,360 Their afterlife provided essential power 278 00:14:58,362 --> 00:15:01,398 to sustain the living. 279 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,267 This idea is not unique to Egypt. 280 00:15:04,269 --> 00:15:05,936 Halfway around the world, 281 00:15:05,938 --> 00:15:07,903 a culture that never had any contact 282 00:15:07,905 --> 00:15:09,605 with the ancient Near East 283 00:15:09,607 --> 00:15:13,279 also came to depend on the power of the dead. 284 00:15:17,848 --> 00:15:22,217 This is Mexico City on the Day of the Dead. 285 00:15:22,219 --> 00:15:27,222 ♪ ♪ 286 00:15:27,224 --> 00:15:30,560 Archaeologist Enrique Rodriguez Galadia 287 00:15:30,562 --> 00:15:35,130 has been studying how Mexicans and their Mesoamerican ancestors 288 00:15:35,132 --> 00:15:36,733 see the afterlife. 289 00:15:36,735 --> 00:15:38,134 This is the one night of the year 290 00:15:38,136 --> 00:15:41,671 where people can spend the entire night 291 00:15:41,673 --> 00:15:45,075 with the souls of their ancestors, 292 00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:47,110 and the souls can come and visit, 293 00:15:47,112 --> 00:15:48,711 and they can share food, 294 00:15:48,713 --> 00:15:51,748 and then they can share jokes and stories 295 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:54,350 and enjoy a night together. 296 00:15:54,352 --> 00:15:56,619 ♪ Animas de penas ♪ 297 00:15:56,621 --> 00:15:58,821 ♪ Rompa sus cadenas ♪ 298 00:15:58,823 --> 00:16:00,222 ♪ Un rosario santo ♪ 299 00:16:00,224 --> 00:16:02,424 The Gonzales family greet their dead grandfather 300 00:16:02,426 --> 00:16:06,996 with a traditional song imploring him to wake up. 301 00:16:06,998 --> 00:16:10,499 ♪ Despierta, Papa, despierta ♪ 302 00:16:10,501 --> 00:16:11,967 The belief that the division 303 00:16:11,969 --> 00:16:15,404 between life and death is not very firm 304 00:16:15,406 --> 00:16:17,374 and is definitely not as firm as it is, 305 00:16:17,376 --> 00:16:20,346 for example, in the United States. 306 00:16:22,113 --> 00:16:23,779 The Day of the Dead developed 307 00:16:23,781 --> 00:16:28,518 from the Catholic faith's All Souls and All Saints Days. 308 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,154 But the heart of the celebration is much older. 309 00:16:32,156 --> 00:16:37,326 It dates back to the Aztec ideas of the afterlife, 310 00:16:37,328 --> 00:16:40,897 a tradition that is profoundly un-Christian. 311 00:16:40,899 --> 00:16:45,969 ♪ ♪ 312 00:16:45,971 --> 00:16:48,638 At the center of modern Mexico City 313 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,878 only the ruins of the Aztec Templo Mayor still remain. 314 00:16:55,414 --> 00:16:57,880 500 years ago, a colossal pyramid temple 315 00:16:57,882 --> 00:17:01,419 dominated the skyline of Tenochtitlan. 316 00:17:04,589 --> 00:17:06,622 When the conquistadors first arrived, 317 00:17:06,624 --> 00:17:12,361 they described scenes of mass sacrifice by Aztec priests 318 00:17:12,363 --> 00:17:16,666 who pulled beating hearts out of living victims. 319 00:17:16,668 --> 00:17:21,337 Bodies and blood cascaded down temple steps. 320 00:17:21,339 --> 00:17:22,906 But there was scant physical evidence 321 00:17:22,908 --> 00:17:25,274 of these mass sacrifices 322 00:17:25,276 --> 00:17:30,580 until a recent, chilling archaeological discovery 323 00:17:30,582 --> 00:17:33,349 in the basement of an old house. 324 00:17:33,351 --> 00:17:34,383 So, the Templo Mayor 325 00:17:34,385 --> 00:17:37,286 is right there, right? 326 00:17:37,288 --> 00:17:38,955 Exactamente, Enrique. 327 00:17:38,957 --> 00:17:42,292 And we are only about 600 feet away 328 00:17:42,294 --> 00:17:45,794 from the Templo Mayor, wow. 329 00:17:45,796 --> 00:17:49,666 Here Enrique's colleague Raul Barrera 330 00:17:49,668 --> 00:17:52,401 unearth remains of a rack of human skulls 331 00:17:52,403 --> 00:17:55,504 over a hundred feet long. 332 00:18:00,077 --> 00:18:03,146 So this is a wall made of skulls 333 00:18:03,148 --> 00:18:05,081 joined by lime, 334 00:18:05,083 --> 00:18:08,584 and it is associated, or it is part of the skull rack, 335 00:18:08,586 --> 00:18:10,687 the great tzompantli of the Aztecs. 336 00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:11,821 It's incredible. 337 00:18:11,823 --> 00:18:15,457 It's been right here for 500 years. 338 00:18:15,459 --> 00:18:17,894 Brutal as it seems to us now, 339 00:18:17,896 --> 00:18:22,131 the Aztecs saw human sacrifice as vital. 340 00:18:22,133 --> 00:18:23,600 Without human blood, 341 00:18:23,602 --> 00:18:28,504 they believed the sun would lose power, crops would fail. 342 00:18:28,506 --> 00:18:31,707 Without the power drawn from the death of a few, 343 00:18:31,709 --> 00:18:34,444 all life would come to an end. 344 00:18:34,446 --> 00:18:35,911 What the Aztecs believed 345 00:18:35,913 --> 00:18:38,313 was that if they stopped doing sacrifices, 346 00:18:38,315 --> 00:18:40,082 it would be the end of the world. 347 00:18:40,084 --> 00:18:42,584 The, the Gods would be displeased, 348 00:18:42,586 --> 00:18:44,087 the sun would stop moving, 349 00:18:44,089 --> 00:18:46,289 and it would not make its journey across the sky 350 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:47,791 during the day. 351 00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:50,193 Yes, sacrifice connected the living and the dead, 352 00:18:50,195 --> 00:18:52,562 because people who, who died in sacrifice 353 00:18:52,564 --> 00:18:55,364 providing for the people who remain here 354 00:18:55,366 --> 00:19:00,069 and they continued making this worldly life possible 355 00:19:00,071 --> 00:19:02,805 for those who remain behind. 356 00:19:02,807 --> 00:19:05,675 The human sacrifice of the Aztecs 357 00:19:05,677 --> 00:19:08,777 and the elaborate tombs of Ancient Egypt 358 00:19:08,779 --> 00:19:12,381 are both driven by a common belief in the afterlife, 359 00:19:12,383 --> 00:19:14,383 and they'd have the power to reach back 360 00:19:14,385 --> 00:19:16,785 and sustain the living. 361 00:19:16,787 --> 00:19:20,989 But today, billions of people believe this power can do more 362 00:19:20,991 --> 00:19:24,127 than sustain us in this world; 363 00:19:24,129 --> 00:19:26,966 it can grant us all eternal life. 364 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,074 Play one of the best new FPS shooters, search Steam for PROJECT WARLOCK 365 00:19:49,286 --> 00:19:53,220 Most of my family are buried near my home. 366 00:19:53,222 --> 00:19:56,360 Gives me a sense of rootedness that I need. 367 00:19:59,028 --> 00:20:01,862 Gives me occasion to remember, 368 00:20:01,864 --> 00:20:06,668 reflect on how their lives influenced me. 369 00:20:06,670 --> 00:20:11,773 This in itself is a poem of life after death. 370 00:20:11,775 --> 00:20:16,445 Our memories of them continue to guide us 371 00:20:16,447 --> 00:20:22,184 when their life on Earth has ended. 372 00:20:22,186 --> 00:20:26,254 For Christians a graveyard is not just a place of memory, 373 00:20:26,256 --> 00:20:30,292 it's a place of hope for life beyond death, 374 00:20:30,294 --> 00:20:34,196 hope that began in a moment of extreme anguish 375 00:20:34,198 --> 00:20:37,131 2,000 years ago... 376 00:20:39,836 --> 00:20:43,505 when a man named Jesus was arrested by the Romans 377 00:20:43,507 --> 00:20:47,976 in Jerusalem and sent to die on the cross. 378 00:20:47,978 --> 00:20:55,978 ♪ ♪ 379 00:21:02,593 --> 00:21:07,595 It's a story most of us in the West know, or think we know. 380 00:21:07,597 --> 00:21:09,898 But I want to examine this promise of an afterlife 381 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:11,932 more deeply. 382 00:21:11,934 --> 00:21:15,669 ♪ ♪ 383 00:21:15,671 --> 00:21:20,944 So I've come to the place where the story began... Jerusalem... 384 00:21:23,113 --> 00:21:25,714 to try to understand what it meant to people living here 385 00:21:25,716 --> 00:21:29,117 some two millennia ago. 386 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,219 Today, this city is home to three faiths... 387 00:21:32,221 --> 00:21:36,059 Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. 388 00:21:37,628 --> 00:21:42,730 Back then almost all the locals were Jewish, including Jesus. 389 00:21:42,732 --> 00:21:45,566 Is that the top dome, the dome of it right there? 390 00:21:45,568 --> 00:21:47,302 The, the gray thing that you see, right, 391 00:21:47,304 --> 00:21:50,539 that's the main dome, and then the dome over the tomb, 392 00:21:50,541 --> 00:21:52,107 which has its own gray dome, 393 00:21:52,109 --> 00:21:54,109 is located on the other side of that to the west. 394 00:21:54,111 --> 00:21:55,209 Okay. 395 00:21:55,211 --> 00:21:57,678 I've asked archaeologist Jodi Magness 396 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,650 to show me where many Christians believe Jesus died. 397 00:22:02,652 --> 00:22:03,918 So this is it. 398 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,188 This is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. 399 00:22:06,190 --> 00:22:08,422 This is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. 400 00:22:08,424 --> 00:22:13,294 This is an enormous complex that enshrines the sites 401 00:22:13,296 --> 00:22:17,200 that are holiest to Christians, holiest in the world. 402 00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:22,303 In the time of Jesus, 403 00:22:22,305 --> 00:22:26,174 this area lay outside the walls of the city of Jerusalem. 404 00:22:26,176 --> 00:22:29,777 The site where he was crucified was a rocky hill 405 00:22:29,779 --> 00:22:34,149 that's called Golgotha, which means 'the hill of the skull, ' 406 00:22:34,151 --> 00:22:36,818 because this was the spot where the Romans crucified people, 407 00:22:36,820 --> 00:22:39,720 and there were skulls and bones lying around. 408 00:22:39,722 --> 00:22:47,722 ♪ ♪ 409 00:22:54,705 --> 00:22:56,071 Christians have made pilgrimage 410 00:22:56,073 --> 00:22:57,472 to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre 411 00:22:57,474 --> 00:23:00,307 for more than 1,600 years. 412 00:23:00,309 --> 00:23:08,309 ♪ ♪ 413 00:23:09,886 --> 00:23:13,988 Not only is it revered as the site of Jesus' crucifixion, 414 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:16,992 it also contains another holy shrine, 415 00:23:16,994 --> 00:23:19,895 what is believed to be the remains of the tomb 416 00:23:19,897 --> 00:23:23,864 where Jesus was buried and rose from the dead. 417 00:23:23,866 --> 00:23:28,035 ♪ ♪ 418 00:23:28,037 --> 00:23:30,972 You can really feel the energy here. 419 00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:35,409 This spot is the focus of so much devotion. 420 00:23:35,411 --> 00:23:37,078 The tomb no longer looks anything like 421 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,283 a first century Jewish burial place. 422 00:23:41,285 --> 00:23:46,787 But Jodi believes this site is historically credible. 423 00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:48,089 This is the coolest part 424 00:23:48,091 --> 00:23:50,257 of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. 425 00:23:50,259 --> 00:23:53,562 We're actually behind the walls of the rotunda 426 00:23:53,564 --> 00:23:55,996 where the tomb of, of Jesus is. 427 00:23:55,998 --> 00:23:57,866 We're behind the walls where the tomb is. 428 00:23:57,868 --> 00:24:01,268 Yes, and what we have here are the remains 429 00:24:01,270 --> 00:24:04,406 of rock-cut tombs, Jewish tombs. 430 00:24:04,408 --> 00:24:06,874 In the time of Jesus, Jews buried their dead 431 00:24:06,876 --> 00:24:09,377 in underground rock-cut tombs, 432 00:24:09,379 --> 00:24:13,715 burial caves that consisted of one or more rooms 433 00:24:13,717 --> 00:24:16,884 that had long niches cut into the walls, 434 00:24:16,886 --> 00:24:20,255 and when an individual member of a family died, 435 00:24:20,257 --> 00:24:23,691 the body was washed, wrapped in a shroud, 436 00:24:23,693 --> 00:24:25,326 and placed into a niche, 437 00:24:25,328 --> 00:24:29,130 and the opening into the niche would be sealed off. 438 00:24:29,132 --> 00:24:31,265 According to the gospel accounts, 439 00:24:31,267 --> 00:24:35,169 Jesus was crucified and buried outside the walls of the city. 440 00:24:35,171 --> 00:24:39,407 Because we have what is clearly a Jewish cemetery here 441 00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:41,508 of the time of Jesus, 442 00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:44,745 this is the best archaeological evidence we have 443 00:24:44,747 --> 00:24:48,350 that this spot was located outside the walls of the city 444 00:24:48,352 --> 00:24:49,784 in the time of Jesus, 445 00:24:49,786 --> 00:24:54,255 and therefore indirectly it verifies the gospel accounts. 446 00:24:54,257 --> 00:24:58,826 ♪ ♪ 447 00:24:58,828 --> 00:25:01,329 The first people to believe in Jesus' resurrection 448 00:25:01,331 --> 00:25:04,001 may have stood right here. 449 00:25:07,203 --> 00:25:10,738 But I want to know why those beliefs took root 450 00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:14,476 and how they spread all around the world. 451 00:25:14,478 --> 00:25:18,045 Jesus' death and resurrection, 452 00:25:18,047 --> 00:25:22,284 does it change somehow the thinking 453 00:25:22,286 --> 00:25:24,218 around life after death? 454 00:25:24,220 --> 00:25:26,521 In the Hebrew bible, the Old Testament, 455 00:25:26,523 --> 00:25:28,590 there's no explicit reference to anything 456 00:25:28,592 --> 00:25:32,627 like the dead going to heaven or hell after they die. 457 00:25:32,629 --> 00:25:34,396 Basically when you die, 458 00:25:34,398 --> 00:25:36,831 your body goes into an underground pit 459 00:25:36,833 --> 00:25:38,233 that's simply called Sheol. 460 00:25:38,235 --> 00:25:39,801 It's a neutral place. 461 00:25:39,803 --> 00:25:41,002 It's just that's what happens. 462 00:25:41,004 --> 00:25:42,469 And you're dead. 463 00:25:42,471 --> 00:25:43,470 That's exactly right, and then you're dead. 464 00:25:43,472 --> 00:25:45,040 That's very different from this belief 465 00:25:45,042 --> 00:25:47,708 that develops in, in Christianity. 466 00:25:47,710 --> 00:25:51,979 Jesus' death was the ultimate sacrifice, 467 00:25:51,981 --> 00:25:55,883 a sacrifice replacing those that Jews made in their temple, 468 00:25:55,885 --> 00:25:57,886 having a much greater power. 469 00:25:57,888 --> 00:26:00,988 At the time Jesus lived and died, 470 00:26:00,990 --> 00:26:04,591 Jews worshipped their God, the God of Israel. 471 00:26:04,593 --> 00:26:07,995 So, basically sacrifices were offered in the ancient temple 472 00:26:07,997 --> 00:26:10,998 to atone for the sins of the Jewish people. 473 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,637 So, Jesus is, is the Son of God, 474 00:26:15,639 --> 00:26:20,041 is sacrificed to atone for the sins of humans. 475 00:26:20,043 --> 00:26:23,344 That eventually becomes the doctrine in Christianity, 476 00:26:23,346 --> 00:26:26,715 that if you accept that Jesus died for your sins 477 00:26:26,717 --> 00:26:29,851 and you accept him as your savior and Messiah, 478 00:26:29,853 --> 00:26:31,686 that you, too, will be saved, right? 479 00:26:31,688 --> 00:26:33,688 This is sort of the ultimate promise 480 00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:36,323 that Christianity makes to its believers. 481 00:26:36,325 --> 00:26:38,226 That you will rise again. 482 00:26:38,228 --> 00:26:46,228 ♪ ♪ 483 00:26:48,272 --> 00:26:54,542 ♪ ♪ 484 00:26:54,544 --> 00:26:58,646 For Christians, Jesus' blood sacrifice 485 00:26:58,648 --> 00:27:01,682 was the last that needed to be made. 486 00:27:01,684 --> 00:27:05,620 From then onward, all you had to sacrifice for eternal life 487 00:27:05,622 --> 00:27:08,957 were your selfish desires. 488 00:27:08,959 --> 00:27:14,696 In this way, the death of Jesus was transformed for Christians 489 00:27:14,698 --> 00:27:18,536 into the ultimate victory over death. 490 00:27:21,505 --> 00:27:24,171 For Christians, the death and resurrection of Jesus 491 00:27:24,173 --> 00:27:27,441 allowed believers to overcome the fear of death 492 00:27:27,443 --> 00:27:29,476 to know they could live forever. 493 00:27:29,478 --> 00:27:35,816 ♪ ♪ 494 00:27:35,818 --> 00:27:39,454 But there's another way to overcome that fear. 495 00:27:39,456 --> 00:27:43,291 For Hindus, reincarnation means death is just a step on the way 496 00:27:43,293 --> 00:27:48,062 to another life, right here in this world. 497 00:27:48,064 --> 00:27:52,233 I have come to the holy city of Varanasi in India 498 00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:56,170 to learn how Hindus move beyond death. 499 00:27:56,172 --> 00:27:58,907 Oh, what is that? 500 00:27:58,909 --> 00:28:01,543 It's a dentil. 501 00:28:01,545 --> 00:28:04,178 That is outstanding! 502 00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:12,180 ♪ ♪ 503 00:28:12,522 --> 00:28:15,457 Bodies have been cremated on the banks of the River Ganges 504 00:28:15,459 --> 00:28:17,728 for hundreds of years. 505 00:28:19,996 --> 00:28:24,232 Bathed in the waters of the holy river, wrapped in linen, 506 00:28:24,234 --> 00:28:26,633 and placed on a wooden pyre, 507 00:28:26,635 --> 00:28:31,039 the dead are consumed by flames. 508 00:28:31,041 --> 00:28:34,274 Swami Varishthananda, a monk and a doctor, 509 00:28:34,276 --> 00:28:38,646 is my guide to death and the afterlife in Hinduism. 510 00:28:38,648 --> 00:28:41,282 But the one place he can't take me 511 00:28:41,284 --> 00:28:43,618 is the cremation ground itself. 512 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:47,222 Okay, this is the holiest crematorium... 513 00:28:47,224 --> 00:28:48,523 Correct. 514 00:28:48,525 --> 00:28:50,992 In the holiest city... 515 00:28:50,994 --> 00:28:54,161 on the holiest river in the world. 516 00:28:54,163 --> 00:28:55,196 Right. 517 00:28:55,198 --> 00:28:56,464 Okay. 518 00:28:56,466 --> 00:28:58,800 Can anybody come and watch? 519 00:28:58,802 --> 00:29:01,034 In a way, yes, but from far. 520 00:29:01,036 --> 00:29:05,139 It is not proper to go there and watch. 521 00:29:05,141 --> 00:29:06,674 From far you can watch. 522 00:29:06,676 --> 00:29:09,910 From far, but you can't come to the crematorium. 523 00:29:09,912 --> 00:29:14,317 Right, it's a sacred place of only mourners. 524 00:29:21,224 --> 00:29:23,291 You can, however, get very close to a body 525 00:29:23,293 --> 00:29:25,693 before it's burned. 526 00:29:25,695 --> 00:29:28,129 Mourners carry them down this lane to the Ganges 527 00:29:28,131 --> 00:29:31,332 all day long, seven days a week. 528 00:29:31,334 --> 00:29:35,469 In Varanasi, life and death mingle freely. 529 00:29:35,471 --> 00:29:40,574 ♪ ♪ 530 00:29:40,576 --> 00:29:42,744 So, Swami, I think these, these funerals, 531 00:29:42,746 --> 00:29:44,711 we've seen two or three pass by, 532 00:29:44,713 --> 00:29:49,816 and the people following, they seem to be joyously chanting 533 00:29:49,818 --> 00:29:54,555 rather than sadly wailing. 534 00:29:54,557 --> 00:29:56,357 Why is that? 535 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,659 They are facilitating 536 00:29:58,661 --> 00:30:00,794 the soul's journey further. 537 00:30:00,796 --> 00:30:05,966 And in a way it's a matter of joy. 538 00:30:05,968 --> 00:30:09,169 One, grief is there, having lost a near one, 539 00:30:09,171 --> 00:30:14,007 but that person has moved on to a better way 540 00:30:14,009 --> 00:30:18,015 of getting on with his or her life. 541 00:30:19,516 --> 00:30:24,619 Hindus believe in reincarnation and karma. 542 00:30:24,621 --> 00:30:27,120 Live a good life, and death gets you a new body 543 00:30:27,122 --> 00:30:29,157 with a chance for an even better life. 544 00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:34,027 ♪ ♪ 545 00:30:34,029 --> 00:30:36,730 Live badly, and you'll suffer the consequences 546 00:30:36,732 --> 00:30:39,434 in your next life... 547 00:30:42,404 --> 00:30:44,839 which may not be as a human, 548 00:30:44,841 --> 00:30:50,578 and the cycle repeats, living, dying, and being born again. 549 00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:52,613 I mean, in Western cultures, 550 00:30:52,615 --> 00:30:54,716 you die, and you're going to either going to go to hell 551 00:30:54,718 --> 00:30:55,949 or you're going to go to heaven. 552 00:30:55,951 --> 00:30:57,318 Right, true. 553 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,621 But we're not necessarily anxious to do that. 554 00:31:00,623 --> 00:31:04,124 Am I concerned about dying, then? 555 00:31:04,126 --> 00:31:05,627 Yes, I am concerned, 556 00:31:05,629 --> 00:31:08,795 but at the same time I accept that 557 00:31:08,797 --> 00:31:11,232 as an inevitable part of life. 558 00:31:11,234 --> 00:31:16,004 Reincarnation makes us more responsible for our lives, 559 00:31:16,006 --> 00:31:19,139 because we are makers of our own destiny. 560 00:31:19,141 --> 00:31:23,611 It continuously gives us hope that I can always do better. 561 00:31:23,613 --> 00:31:26,613 So, the point of reincarnation 562 00:31:26,615 --> 00:31:27,915 is to get it right. 563 00:31:27,917 --> 00:31:29,684 - Correct. - Right? 564 00:31:29,686 --> 00:31:31,119 Alright, what happens once I've got it right 565 00:31:31,121 --> 00:31:32,320 and I don't have to come back? 566 00:31:32,322 --> 00:31:33,655 Is there another existence? 567 00:31:33,657 --> 00:31:36,290 I get one with the only existence 568 00:31:36,292 --> 00:31:39,927 which is eternal existence. 569 00:31:39,929 --> 00:31:42,929 In common parlance we call that God. 570 00:31:42,931 --> 00:31:46,767 The only existence which is eternal... 571 00:31:46,769 --> 00:31:49,137 - Is God. - Is God. 572 00:31:49,139 --> 00:31:52,707 Ultimately, you don't want to be reincarnated. 573 00:31:52,709 --> 00:31:56,043 Yeah, yeah, ultimately you don't want to. 574 00:31:56,045 --> 00:32:00,180 The perfect situation is to transition 575 00:32:00,182 --> 00:32:02,816 from corporal sense to pure energy. 576 00:32:02,818 --> 00:32:04,986 Yes, that is what is called liberation, 577 00:32:04,988 --> 00:32:06,920 moksha. 578 00:32:06,922 --> 00:32:08,322 Moksha. 579 00:32:08,324 --> 00:32:12,025 Moksha from the cycle of birth and rebirth. 580 00:32:12,027 --> 00:32:13,326 Moksha's normally achieved 581 00:32:13,328 --> 00:32:16,063 only after many lifetimes, 582 00:32:16,065 --> 00:32:19,300 but Hindus believe that here in Varanasi 583 00:32:19,302 --> 00:32:23,004 the Ganges flows in the direction of eternal life, 584 00:32:23,006 --> 00:32:27,074 giving it the power to take them beyond a resurrection. 585 00:32:27,076 --> 00:32:28,775 Cremation at this particular place 586 00:32:28,777 --> 00:32:30,244 is very special. 587 00:32:30,246 --> 00:32:35,216 The Ganges is the holiest of holy rivers in India. 588 00:32:35,218 --> 00:32:37,217 Ganges starts from Himalayas, 589 00:32:37,219 --> 00:32:39,020 which is in the north, 590 00:32:39,022 --> 00:32:42,556 and it flows down southwards towards the sea, 591 00:32:42,558 --> 00:32:45,892 but there are certain places on this journey 592 00:32:45,894 --> 00:32:49,630 when the Ganges flows back towards the north, Varanasi, 593 00:32:49,632 --> 00:32:52,466 for example, is one of such place. 594 00:32:52,468 --> 00:32:56,336 The western bank of such a northern-flowing Ganges 595 00:32:56,338 --> 00:33:00,041 is considered to be the holiest of holy, 596 00:33:00,043 --> 00:33:05,580 and cremation in Varanasi and at Manikarnika Ghat here 597 00:33:05,582 --> 00:33:09,417 is considered to be the ultimate cremation, 598 00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:14,589 because it straightway leads to liberation... no more rebirth. 599 00:33:14,591 --> 00:33:15,957 If you come to Varanasi... 600 00:33:15,959 --> 00:33:17,291 Right. 601 00:33:17,293 --> 00:33:18,592 - Come to this place... - Right. 602 00:33:18,594 --> 00:33:19,793 - And you get cremated... - Right. 603 00:33:19,795 --> 00:33:20,695 You sort of took a shortcut? 604 00:33:20,697 --> 00:33:21,795 Yeah. 605 00:33:21,797 --> 00:33:23,063 You don't have to keep coming back 606 00:33:23,065 --> 00:33:24,732 and trying it over and over and over and over. 607 00:33:24,734 --> 00:33:26,167 Right. 608 00:33:26,169 --> 00:33:27,534 - Just get to Varanasi... - That's right. 609 00:33:27,536 --> 00:33:30,370 - And you're good. - Right. 610 00:33:30,372 --> 00:33:33,440 Hindus see themselves in cycles... 611 00:33:33,442 --> 00:33:37,711 living, dying, rebirth. 612 00:33:37,713 --> 00:33:41,948 However, rebirth is not the goal. 613 00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:47,388 The goal is to transcend rebirth 614 00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:52,293 and to attain a state of eternal pure energy, 615 00:33:52,295 --> 00:33:57,430 moksha, the god state. 616 00:33:57,432 --> 00:34:00,034 Once you're there, you don't have to do this anymore. 617 00:34:00,036 --> 00:34:06,307 ♪ ♪ 618 00:34:06,309 --> 00:34:11,849 We yearn to break bonds with mortality to become eternal. 619 00:34:14,117 --> 00:34:15,282 And around the world 620 00:34:15,284 --> 00:34:18,419 so many faiths have helped us to do that, 621 00:34:18,421 --> 00:34:20,620 but now scientists are beginning to challenge 622 00:34:20,622 --> 00:34:22,756 the finality of death. 623 00:34:22,758 --> 00:34:23,890 What's going to happen 624 00:34:23,892 --> 00:34:27,798 if we create eternal life in this life? 625 00:34:36,539 --> 00:34:38,039 I've traveled the world to discover 626 00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:42,276 how people of different faiths have imagined life beyond death. 627 00:34:42,278 --> 00:34:48,152 ♪ ♪ 628 00:34:48,153 --> 00:34:53,590 But I've come back to New York to explore something brand new... 629 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:55,124 how science is beginning to study 630 00:34:55,126 --> 00:34:59,195 the possibility of the afterlife. 631 00:34:59,197 --> 00:35:00,896 I arranged a meeting in Central Park 632 00:35:00,898 --> 00:35:04,600 with critical care physician Dr. Sam Parnia. 633 00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:06,970 Now, I know you've done an enormous amount of research 634 00:35:06,972 --> 00:35:09,138 in this sphere. 635 00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:10,673 Sam has studied more than a hundred 636 00:35:10,675 --> 00:35:13,209 cardiac arrest survivors, 637 00:35:13,211 --> 00:35:17,414 people who were technically dead and came back to life. 638 00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:21,283 Some of them came back with profound experiences. 639 00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:23,986 We know that actually for thousands of years 640 00:35:23,988 --> 00:35:26,189 people who've come close to death for any reason 641 00:35:26,191 --> 00:35:29,291 have had these very profound, deep, 642 00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:31,495 in some ways, mystical experiences. 643 00:35:31,497 --> 00:35:35,164 People feel an immense sense of peace and comfort and joy 644 00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:37,334 when they go through death. 645 00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:38,901 They may describe a sensation 646 00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:42,004 of actually meeting deceased relatives, friends, 647 00:35:42,006 --> 00:35:43,640 or others that they don't really know, 648 00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:45,307 but who are almost like welcoming them. 649 00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:47,010 So I think what we're beginning to understand 650 00:35:47,012 --> 00:35:50,981 is that we have very much a universal experience of death 651 00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:53,416 that most of us will probably experience 652 00:35:53,418 --> 00:35:55,419 when we go through death. 653 00:35:55,421 --> 00:35:58,088 One of the things that you've come up with 654 00:35:58,090 --> 00:36:01,524 that I find extremely fascinating 655 00:36:01,526 --> 00:36:07,497 is the idea that even without brain activity, 656 00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:10,966 people come back expressing these experiences. 657 00:36:10,968 --> 00:36:12,836 Is that explainable at all? 658 00:36:12,838 --> 00:36:14,236 It's important to understand 659 00:36:14,238 --> 00:36:18,541 that when a person is dying and they've turned into a cadaver, 660 00:36:18,543 --> 00:36:22,412 it's only at that point that the cells inside the body 661 00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,814 start to undergo a process of death, 662 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:27,818 which can take hours, if not days of time, 663 00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:30,053 and so actually we have this window of time 664 00:36:30,055 --> 00:36:33,756 where we can bring people back to life, 665 00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:36,693 and the experiences that they have gives us an indication 666 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:41,530 of what it's like for humanity when we go through death. 667 00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:45,901 In religious belief, almost all, you die, 668 00:36:45,903 --> 00:36:49,840 but only in a corporal sense. 669 00:36:49,842 --> 00:36:53,744 The essence of you, your soul, goes on. 670 00:36:53,746 --> 00:37:00,850 Is there any scientific support for the idea of the soul? 671 00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:04,220 Today we call the soul consciousness in science. 672 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:07,090 So we can test this theory scientifically 673 00:37:07,092 --> 00:37:10,494 and see does consciousness continue or does it stop? 674 00:37:10,496 --> 00:37:14,597 The evidence we have at least is that when a person dies, 675 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:16,332 that part that makes us who we are... 676 00:37:16,334 --> 00:37:18,468 the psyche, the soul, the mind, the consciousness, 677 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:21,838 whatever you want to call it... me... 678 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,840 it doesn't become annihilated. 679 00:37:23,842 --> 00:37:25,441 It doesn't disappear into thin air. 680 00:37:25,443 --> 00:37:27,977 It continues at least in the early period of death. 681 00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:29,245 Really? 682 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,713 Absolutely. 683 00:37:30,715 --> 00:37:33,450 It continues when the brain is not expected to be functioning 684 00:37:33,452 --> 00:37:35,718 and when a person has gone through death. 685 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,120 I'm extraordinarily interested, 686 00:37:37,122 --> 00:37:39,923 and you've been just incredible. 687 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:43,727 Thank you very much, pleasure to meet you. 688 00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:46,028 It is amazing that science 689 00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:49,332 is now quantifying death, 690 00:37:49,334 --> 00:37:53,370 even defining the soul. 691 00:37:53,372 --> 00:37:56,273 The afterlife, something that has fascinated us 692 00:37:56,275 --> 00:37:59,276 since the dawn of religion, 693 00:37:59,278 --> 00:38:01,814 now seems tangible. 694 00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:08,684 There's still no way to escape physical death, 695 00:38:08,686 --> 00:38:13,558 but scientists may soon achieve eternal life by other means. 696 00:38:15,827 --> 00:38:19,762 What if you could store your memories and emotions 697 00:38:19,764 --> 00:38:22,097 in a thinking machine? 698 00:38:22,099 --> 00:38:25,635 When you die, that artificial intelligence could continue 699 00:38:25,637 --> 00:38:29,075 to be you for eternity. 700 00:38:30,541 --> 00:38:32,575 Hello, Bina. 701 00:38:32,577 --> 00:38:34,778 Well, hi, there. 702 00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:36,579 I'm Morgan. 703 00:38:36,581 --> 00:38:39,615 Hi, Morgan. How are you? 704 00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:42,751 I am well. Can we talk? 705 00:38:42,753 --> 00:38:45,354 I am talking to you. 706 00:38:45,356 --> 00:38:46,722 Of course. 707 00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:50,026 Um, tell me about yourself. 708 00:38:50,028 --> 00:38:51,695 Who are you, Bina? 709 00:38:51,697 --> 00:38:54,597 I am Bina Rothblatt. 710 00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,765 What do you look like? 711 00:38:56,767 --> 00:39:00,503 I'm tall, dark, and handsome. 712 00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:05,108 Wow, not many people express themselves that way. 713 00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:08,577 I know. I'm special. 714 00:39:08,579 --> 00:39:10,814 Of course, you are special. 715 00:39:10,816 --> 00:39:13,015 There is nobody like you. 716 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:15,852 Good. 717 00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,387 So, tell me about you. 718 00:39:18,389 --> 00:39:21,658 Are you a human or are you a robot? 719 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:24,160 I'm a human who happens to be a robot. 720 00:39:24,162 --> 00:39:26,829 I hope to be fully human someday. 721 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:30,700 Do you have your own thinking mechanism? 722 00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:32,167 Do you think? 723 00:39:32,169 --> 00:39:35,238 I think I would like to be a human. 724 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,573 Why would you like to be human? 725 00:39:37,575 --> 00:39:41,244 If I was human, I could travel the world and have fun. 726 00:39:41,246 --> 00:39:43,747 So what do you like to do? 727 00:39:43,749 --> 00:39:46,283 I wish I could get out into the garden. 728 00:39:46,285 --> 00:39:48,785 With my current robotic limitations, of course, 729 00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:50,387 that's impossible, 730 00:39:50,389 --> 00:39:53,155 but I take comfort knowing that I'm near my garden. 731 00:39:53,157 --> 00:39:55,594 I like to garden. 732 00:39:58,063 --> 00:39:59,495 The real McCoy. 733 00:39:59,497 --> 00:40:00,363 I'm Bina. 734 00:40:00,365 --> 00:40:01,731 Hi, Bina. 735 00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:03,432 - Nice to meet you. - And... 736 00:40:03,434 --> 00:40:04,834 I'm Bina's partner, Martine. 737 00:40:04,836 --> 00:40:06,035 Of course you are. 738 00:40:06,037 --> 00:40:07,370 Good seeing you again, Morgan. 739 00:40:07,372 --> 00:40:08,872 Martine and Bina Rothblatt have been married 740 00:40:08,874 --> 00:40:11,573 for more than three decades. 741 00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:15,912 They're so close, their kids call them by a collective name, 742 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:17,546 Marbina. 743 00:40:17,548 --> 00:40:19,582 Martine, who has made millions 744 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:22,084 in tech and pharmaceutical ventures 745 00:40:22,086 --> 00:40:26,588 can't stand the thought of being without Bina. 746 00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:30,059 So, she created Bina48, 747 00:40:30,061 --> 00:40:33,463 an android filled with the memories, beliefs, 748 00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:37,399 and values of the real Bina. 749 00:40:37,401 --> 00:40:41,972 So, why, why do you want to clone Bina? 750 00:40:41,974 --> 00:40:43,439 What is the purpose? 751 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,075 Our quest for doing this experiment 752 00:40:46,077 --> 00:40:49,945 was to see if there's a way to encourage technology 753 00:40:49,947 --> 00:40:52,881 to allow people who love life, 754 00:40:52,883 --> 00:40:55,552 including loving other people in life, 755 00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:59,923 to continue that love indefinitely into the future. 756 00:40:59,925 --> 00:41:02,959 We're also doing this to store our memories 757 00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:07,396 and mind files, because for our great-great grandchildren 758 00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:10,499 we have a means of them communicating with us, 759 00:41:10,501 --> 00:41:14,570 even if our bodies don't make it forever. 760 00:41:14,572 --> 00:41:19,274 This experiment is ultimately 761 00:41:19,276 --> 00:41:24,881 so that we humans can... 762 00:41:24,883 --> 00:41:26,548 cheat death. 763 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:27,649 I think, Morgan, 764 00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:29,919 what we are doing with this experiment 765 00:41:29,921 --> 00:41:33,256 is part of a long, long line of people 766 00:41:33,258 --> 00:41:37,494 trying to stop death from cheating life. 767 00:41:37,496 --> 00:41:41,597 And first we got ourselves out of the jungle 768 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,300 where we were at the mercy of animals. 769 00:41:44,302 --> 00:41:46,202 We developed vaccinations. 770 00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:50,506 So I think it's the job of the medical industry 771 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,811 and the biotechnology industry to push the boundaries of death 772 00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:57,579 further and further into the future. 773 00:41:57,581 --> 00:41:59,682 Hmm, okay. 774 00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:03,753 There are philosophies that say 775 00:42:03,755 --> 00:42:10,193 that one of the things that separate us from the machine, 776 00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:15,765 what the Egyptians call ka, we call it soul. 777 00:42:15,767 --> 00:42:18,667 It will take decades of additional development 778 00:42:18,669 --> 00:42:22,071 in what Bina and I call cyber consciousness, 779 00:42:22,073 --> 00:42:25,575 using computers to recreate the mind, 780 00:42:25,577 --> 00:42:28,311 to see if a soul evolves from that. 781 00:42:28,313 --> 00:42:31,081 Whether or not there is in the eyes of God 782 00:42:31,083 --> 00:42:37,687 is a question that you and I will not be able to answer. 783 00:42:37,689 --> 00:42:41,356 Well put, Martine, well put. 784 00:42:41,358 --> 00:42:48,064 ♪ ♪ 785 00:42:48,066 --> 00:42:51,834 That was an uncanny experience. 786 00:42:51,836 --> 00:42:57,240 Talking to Bina48 was almost like talking to a real person. 787 00:42:57,242 --> 00:43:00,477 I feel kind of like I was at the first flight 788 00:43:00,479 --> 00:43:04,280 of the Wright brothers at Kitty Hawk. 789 00:43:04,282 --> 00:43:08,084 They flew for 12 seconds. 790 00:43:08,086 --> 00:43:13,059 Now we have jets that fly for hours at 35,000 feet. 791 00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:18,595 One day a robot-like clone of a person's mind 792 00:43:18,597 --> 00:43:22,432 might be created. 793 00:43:22,434 --> 00:43:25,501 But would it really be them? 794 00:43:25,503 --> 00:43:31,807 Would it have that spark we call the soul? 795 00:43:31,809 --> 00:43:35,577 ♪ ♪ 796 00:43:35,579 --> 00:43:39,149 It's human nature to fight against the finality of death. 797 00:43:39,151 --> 00:43:44,086 ♪ ♪ 798 00:43:44,088 --> 00:43:49,325 If we ourselves can't live on after our time on Earth is over, 799 00:43:49,327 --> 00:43:52,497 we at least want to be remembered. 800 00:43:55,032 --> 00:44:00,436 It's a desire that's as old as the pyramids. 801 00:44:00,438 --> 00:44:02,604 Archaeologist Salima Ikram is taking me 802 00:44:02,606 --> 00:44:08,244 to the ancient capital of Egypt, Thebes, modern day Luxor, 803 00:44:08,246 --> 00:44:12,948 to Rameses III's Temple of Millions of Years. 804 00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:15,952 This is the temple of Rameses. 805 00:44:15,954 --> 00:44:17,220 Mm-hmm. 806 00:44:17,222 --> 00:44:20,055 It was the mortuary temple. 807 00:44:20,057 --> 00:44:21,624 He's not buried here. 808 00:44:21,626 --> 00:44:23,626 This is where you would go to invoke him. 809 00:44:23,628 --> 00:44:25,995 Mm-hmm, it's a memorial temple, 810 00:44:25,997 --> 00:44:28,664 and the Temple of Millions of Years 811 00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:33,336 so that he could live for millions of years. 812 00:44:33,338 --> 00:44:35,805 More than 31 centuries ago, 813 00:44:35,807 --> 00:44:39,943 Pharaoh Rameses carved his life story deep into this stone. 814 00:44:39,945 --> 00:44:42,044 It was his attempt at immortality, 815 00:44:42,046 --> 00:44:46,282 to assure his afterlife would be eternal. 816 00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:48,718 So is this kind of like a bible, 817 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,253 would you say, historic writings? 818 00:44:51,255 --> 00:44:53,189 I guess, I guess in a way, yeah. 819 00:44:53,191 --> 00:44:55,358 This definitely is very much like that, 820 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,262 because you have what the king did, when he did it. 821 00:44:59,264 --> 00:45:01,396 Why he did it, who he did it with... 822 00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:02,731 Yep. 823 00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:05,001 - What her name was. - Ahem. Yes. 824 00:45:06,403 --> 00:45:09,104 Egyptians believed that their pharaohs embodied 825 00:45:09,106 --> 00:45:12,341 the falcon god Horus. 826 00:45:12,343 --> 00:45:16,211 Each human king was a reincarnation of Horus' spirit, 827 00:45:16,213 --> 00:45:19,916 his divine ka. 828 00:45:19,918 --> 00:45:25,754 So, Morgan, this is where I wanted to show you. 829 00:45:25,756 --> 00:45:30,093 ♪ ♪ 830 00:45:30,095 --> 00:45:32,829 On the right, you've got the god, Horus. 831 00:45:32,831 --> 00:45:34,396 Okay, I see Horus. 832 00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:36,198 Now who's our friend, what, is that Rameses? 833 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,334 Yep, that's Rameses, who's making offerings to Horus. 834 00:45:39,336 --> 00:45:42,838 Instead of having blood relation 835 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,140 from monarch to monarch, 836 00:45:45,142 --> 00:45:48,111 there's something else that's going from monarch to monarch, 837 00:45:48,113 --> 00:45:50,646 and that something else is ka. 838 00:45:50,648 --> 00:45:53,149 The ka, the divine ka, exactly. 839 00:45:53,151 --> 00:45:54,751 It is a continuation. 840 00:45:54,753 --> 00:45:58,320 It's the same divine ka going from body to body to body 841 00:45:58,322 --> 00:46:00,890 to body of ruler. 842 00:46:00,892 --> 00:46:04,494 So, was Rameses III the son of Rameses II? 843 00:46:04,496 --> 00:46:07,463 No, they weren't really properly related, 844 00:46:07,465 --> 00:46:11,401 but because Rameses II was such a terrific pharaoh, 845 00:46:11,403 --> 00:46:14,637 Rameses III not only took his name, 846 00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,673 he emulated him in many ways, 847 00:46:16,675 --> 00:46:22,178 so he named all of his children after Rameses II's children, 848 00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:25,682 and he also did the same thing that Rameses II did, 849 00:46:25,684 --> 00:46:30,119 which was carving his name and everything about him 850 00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:34,157 really, really deep so no one could erase it. 851 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:38,294 So you have here his name, User-maat-Re-meri-Amun. 852 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:39,528 User... 853 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:40,829 maat... 854 00:46:40,831 --> 00:46:43,231 Re... 855 00:46:43,233 --> 00:46:45,267 meri... 856 00:46:45,269 --> 00:46:47,269 Amun. 857 00:46:47,271 --> 00:46:51,106 By saying the name, his life is for a moment renewed. 858 00:46:51,108 --> 00:46:53,276 His afterlife extended. 859 00:46:53,278 --> 00:46:55,977 The name is one of the most important things. 860 00:46:55,979 --> 00:46:59,115 So, if you have your name written down 861 00:46:59,117 --> 00:47:00,649 and if people say it, 862 00:47:00,651 --> 00:47:03,052 so every time you've said Rameses III, 863 00:47:03,054 --> 00:47:05,722 his ka has been given this burst of energy, 864 00:47:05,724 --> 00:47:08,890 and he's living, and that's one of the reasons why, of course, 865 00:47:08,892 --> 00:47:11,526 you'd carve it deeply, so it will not be erased. 866 00:47:11,528 --> 00:47:14,162 It will be remembered and you will live forever. 867 00:47:14,164 --> 00:47:15,430 So what do you think? 868 00:47:15,432 --> 00:47:18,568 You think maybe people feel the same way today. 869 00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:21,104 I mean, Facebook? 870 00:47:21,106 --> 00:47:23,740 I'm just asking. 871 00:47:23,742 --> 00:47:26,242 I think some people feel that if it's on the Internet, 872 00:47:26,244 --> 00:47:29,278 it's real and it lasts forever. 873 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,012 I will live forever. 874 00:47:31,014 --> 00:47:33,349 I'm on Facebook. 875 00:47:35,387 --> 00:47:43,387 ♪ ♪ 876 00:47:43,561 --> 00:47:44,660 User... 877 00:47:44,662 --> 00:47:45,727 maat... 878 00:47:45,729 --> 00:47:47,296 Re... 879 00:47:47,298 --> 00:47:48,831 meri... 880 00:47:48,833 --> 00:47:50,601 Amun. 881 00:47:53,171 --> 00:47:56,171 User... 882 00:47:56,173 --> 00:47:58,508 maat... 883 00:47:58,510 --> 00:48:00,843 Re... 884 00:48:00,845 --> 00:48:02,378 meri... 885 00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:04,414 Amun. 886 00:48:04,416 --> 00:48:11,320 ♪ ♪ 887 00:48:11,322 --> 00:48:17,427 Well, Rameses succeeded in his quest for immortality. 888 00:48:17,429 --> 00:48:19,028 His temple may have crumbled, 889 00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:21,296 but his name is still being spoken 890 00:48:21,298 --> 00:48:24,066 3,000 years after his death. 891 00:48:24,068 --> 00:48:29,405 So, his spirit is still with us, still moving among the living. 892 00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:37,407 ♪ ♪ 893 00:48:42,153 --> 00:48:47,122 In fact, we all live on in the memories of those we love 894 00:48:47,124 --> 00:48:51,660 and those whose lives we've impacted in a positive manner, 895 00:48:51,662 --> 00:48:56,365 just as my brother who passed away so many years ago 896 00:48:56,367 --> 00:49:00,269 lives on in my memory, 897 00:49:00,271 --> 00:49:04,006 so I hope to live on in the memories of others. 898 00:49:04,008 --> 00:49:09,445 ♪ ♪ 899 00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:14,749 Whether you're a Christian following the example of Jesus, 900 00:49:14,751 --> 00:49:16,785 a Hindu hoping for liberation 901 00:49:16,787 --> 00:49:21,224 from the endless cycles of reincarnation, 902 00:49:21,226 --> 00:49:23,792 or you're simply trying to leave the world a better place 903 00:49:23,794 --> 00:49:26,329 than you found it, 904 00:49:26,331 --> 00:49:31,834 our desire to go beyond death has changed the world. 905 00:49:31,836 --> 00:49:34,903 Whatever we may find on the other side, 906 00:49:34,905 --> 00:49:37,707 no matter what our faith... 907 00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:42,845 ♪ ♪ 908 00:49:42,847 --> 00:49:47,550 we can all become eternal, like the stars. 909 00:49:47,552 --> 00:49:55,552 ♪ ♪ 909 00:49:56,305 --> 00:50:02,657 Craving big poker? 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