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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 ♪♪ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Rader: She was chosen. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Since she lived down the street from me, 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,000 I could watch the coming and going quite easily. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Snuck into the house. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 She wasn't there. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 I went back to one of the bedrooms and hid. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:31,000 ♪♪ 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:38,000 ♪♪ 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:46,000 ♪♪ 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Welcome to "Very Scary People." 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 After torturing and killing seven people, 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 demented serial killer BTK contacted police 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 to boast about his brutal acts. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 He threatened more victims would follow. 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 His real identity was still a complete mystery. 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 He dared cops to find him. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 The city of Wichita was on edge. 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Wichita police form a secret task force 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 of seasoned detectives to track down BTK. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 They need to capture him before he kills again. 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Here is part two of "BTK: The Taunting." 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 ♪♪ 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:28,000 ♪♪ 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Hatteberg: Wichita, Kansas, was in the middle of America, 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 and nobody locked their doors. 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,000 It was a great little town to be from. 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Jordan: The morning of January 15, 1974, 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,000 was just a regular school day in the Otero household ... 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,000 until the unthinkable happens. 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,000 An intruder enters their home and commits atrocities 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 against this innocent family. 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 I saw my parent's bodies ... It just felt like somebody 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,000 had ripped my chest wide open and pulled my heart out. 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Jordan: And investigators are trying 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 to piece together the evidence 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,000 and find the killer when, in April, 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 another brutal killing. 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Otis: When the crime-scene investigators 41 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 found the DNA stain on the female clothing, 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 they collected it, 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 but there was no DNA testing at that time. 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,000 And so they packaged it properly, sealed it up, 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 and put it with the rest of the evidence. 46 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 And Wichita instantly changed. 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 It wasn't an innocent city anymore. 48 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Killer breaks in. He's lying in wait. 49 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,000 And he's thinking he will be able to subdue her 50 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,000 and do whatever he wants and fill his fantasy. 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 BTK studied a lot about police techniques. 52 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,000 He knew that the police, 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 basically, were looking for a common M.O. 54 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:58,000 The BTK nomenclature ... "bind, torture, kill." 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 And that's how he wanted to be known. 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,000 So he then sits down and creates a very elaborate letter 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 that he will then send to KAKE-TV. 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 The writer, who claimed to be BTK, 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 admitted to the murders of the Otero family, 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Shirley Vian, Nancy Fox. 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,000 He admitted to and gave details of all of those homicides. 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 We have an individual who apparently 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,000 has the uncontrollable desire to kill at times. 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 This individual is responsible for seven murders in our city. 65 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Nobody knew where, when, why, or who was going to be next. 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:49,000 ♪♪ 67 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:57,000 ♪♪ 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:04,000 ♪♪ 69 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 The idea behind the Ghostbusters was to have people 70 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,000 that didn't have any impressions of the investigation up 71 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000 to that point, 72 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,000 who can put some fresh eyes on it. 73 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Gagliano: You're gonna look at it from, 74 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 "Hey, do we need to go back and out and reinterview people? 75 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Could we possibly have interviewed somebody 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,000 with important information and we missed it?" 77 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 The first part of the Ghostbusters 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 was just getting the case together. 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 The case was all over the police department. 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,000 It was in boxes, it was in folders in people's houses. 81 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,000 The Ghostbusters brought order to a dispersal of records. 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Brady: Part of the work was establishing 83 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 a department database. 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,000 We would look at, for example, there was a certain gun 85 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 which was used in one of the killings, 86 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 and so we did research on all of those kind of guns, 87 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,000 found every person who ever bought such a gun 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 in the United States, and that went into a database. 89 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 The FBI said, "There has to be a pattern to these crimes." 90 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,000 One of the detectives thought that the killer was choosing 91 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 certain house numbers to kill people. 92 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 I built a database for them that tracked how far, 93 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 let's say, sex offenders lived from crimes. 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 O'Connor: They did a fantastic job. 95 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I mean, they ran down leads. Incredible leads. 96 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 They never gave up. 97 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 They tried every lead. 98 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 It was just ... They just ran out. 99 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 The leads ran out. 100 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 I wondered if there is a pattern. 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 "Why can't I find it?" 102 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 The point is, these killings were random. 103 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,000 There was no pattern. 104 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:46,000 He would see somebody, decide, "I think I'd like to kill them." 105 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 There's no connection between the victims, 106 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 there's no connection between addresses. 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 It's all random. 108 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:58,000 ♪♪ 109 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Rader: She was chosen. 110 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,000 I went through the different phases, the stalking phase. 111 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 And since she lived down the street from me, 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 I could watch the coming and going quite easily. 113 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Jordan: After a seven-year hiatus, 114 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 a very long cooling-off period 115 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,000 for a serial killer, BTK resumes in 1985 116 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 with the killing of a 53-year-old woman 117 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 named Marine Hedge ... 118 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 a neighbor of his who actually lived right down the street. 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,000 He will cut the phone line. He will enter the house. 120 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 And he will wait for her to come home. 121 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 She didn't come home for quite a while, 122 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,000 and when she did, she came in with a man, 123 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 and the two of them were talking. 124 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 O'Connor: They hang around, watch TV. 125 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 He grows impatient as he sits in a closet or something, 126 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 waiting for her. 127 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Eventually, her date will leave. 128 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 She'll go to bed. 129 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,000 And then he comes out, surprises, shocks Marine Hedge, 130 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 and kills her. 131 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Jordan: This one was different, however. 132 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,000 After he strangled her, he removed her body 133 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 and transported it from her home 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 to the basement of the local Lutheran church. 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 He poses the body. 136 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 He photographs it. 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,000 He's going to save those souvenirs for later. 138 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 And then he throws her body in a ditch, 139 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 so much like a piece of trash. 140 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 So his M.O. Is actually shaping 141 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 and changing and morphing over time. 142 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Singular: This is a change again in his M.O. 143 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,000 because he was also selecting an older victim 144 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 because he was now older, 145 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:57,000 and he wanted to be able to physically control the person. 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:05,000 ♪♪ 147 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Jordan: BTK's next murder occurred in 1991, 148 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 with a 62-year-old victim, Dolores Davis. 149 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 ♪♪ 150 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Rader: I had cased the place before, 151 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 and I really couldn't figure out 152 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 how to get in, and she was in the house, 153 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000 so I finally just selected a concrete block 154 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 and threw it through the plate-glass window. 155 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,000 ♪♪ 156 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,000 [Glass shattering] 157 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,000 He didn't mess around on this one. 158 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,000 He just threw a big block through the window 159 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 while she was sitting there reading. 160 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,000 And he'll attack her and kill her, remove her. 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 He will take her to a bridge out in the county, 162 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000 under the bridge, where it will become light. 163 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,000 He's running out of time, so he has to leave her, 164 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:00,000 and he will come back the next night with a mask 165 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,000 that he will put on her, and he'll take pictures. 166 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,000 That body is discovered by a boy waking his dog the next day. 167 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Jordan: By this time, he's been killing 168 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 for almost 20 years or so, 169 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 but now he's in his 40s. 170 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,000 He's aging out. He's learned from his crimes. 171 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 He's been fought against, overpowered. 172 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,000 He has made a lot of mistakes. 173 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,000 He wants to make sure he still gets away with it. 174 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,000 ♪♪ 175 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Otis: Lieutenant Landwehr was the homicide commander 176 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,000 and was a legend with the Wichita Police Department. 177 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Before he was a lieutenant, he was a patrol officer, 178 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,000 and he was assigned to that initial Ghostbusters task force 179 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000 which was to look at the BTK case. 180 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 In the late '90s, 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 our homicide unit started looking at some cold cases 182 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 and picking out cases that might be DNA-solvable, 183 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 now that we had this DNA science coming on board. 184 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Lieutenant Landwehr assigned Vicki Wegerle's cold-case murder 185 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 to myself and my partner, Dana Gouge. 186 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,000 He didn't say at all, nor would he have ever, 187 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 "This is a BTK case. I know it is. 188 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000 That's how I want you to work it." 189 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:28,000 ♪♪ 190 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,000 ♪♪ 191 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,000 When Bill Wegerle came home that day for lunch, 192 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,000 he walked through the house looking for his wife, Vicki. 193 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,000 When he found her body, she had been bound. 194 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,000 He used a knife to cut some of the bindings off of her 195 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,000 as he called the police. 196 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 They transported her to a hospital, 197 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,000 and life-saving efforts didn't work, 198 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000 and she'd been strangled to death. 199 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 When we reviewed the initial investigation of Vicki's murder, 200 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 we realized that her Kansas 201 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000 driver's license had been missing. 202 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Lieutenant Landwehr had told us that his belief on the case 203 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 was that it probably was not the husband, 204 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,000 based upon that driver's license being missing. 205 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,000 However, the detectives that worked it in 1986 206 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 focused really hard on the husband, 207 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000 thinking it was a domestic violence issue. 208 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 The license had never been recovered. 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:30,000 ♪♪ 210 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:38,000 ♪♪ 211 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Singular: It was January of 2004, 212 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 which was the 30th anniversary of the Otero murders, 213 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:49,000 and The Wichita Eagle decided to run a story about BTK. 214 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Roehrman: The Eagle ran a story, 215 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,000 saying it had been 30 years since the first BTK deaths. 216 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 In part of the story, 217 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 the reporter talked to Professor Beattie, 218 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 a local college professor and author. 219 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,000 When he would mention BTK in his classes, 220 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,000 his students had no idea who BTK was. 221 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:18,000 ♪♪ 222 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Singular: 30 years had passed. 223 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,000 This is sort of fading into Wichita's history, 224 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 and there was a lot of speculation ... 225 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 "Well, he's probably dead," or, "He left the state," 226 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,000 or, you know, "All of this is in the past." 227 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,000 BTK read the story, and he noted in there 228 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,000 that people were saying that he was dead. 229 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Beattie said he was writing a book about this, 230 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 and that really bothered BTK because he felt 231 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,000 that nobody could write his story other than himself, 232 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000 that he had to be the one to do it, 233 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,000 and this aggravated him. 234 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 "If anybody's gonna tell my story, I'm gonna do it." 235 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Hatteberg: When he saw that story, he decided, "I'm back. 236 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,000 I'm starting up again." 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Nobody in 2004 expected that. 238 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Roehrman: So, a little while after The Eagle had its story 239 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 about the 30th anniversary of the Otero deaths, 240 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 a letter came into the newsroom, 241 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,000 and the return address was Bill Thomas Killman, 242 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 the initial as in "BTK." 243 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Inside were three pretty blurry photos 244 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,000 of somebody lying on a floor and a driver's license. 245 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Otis: My partner, Dana Gouge, and I 246 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000 are sitting in the homicide unit, 247 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000 working on cases. 248 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 A captain came up to the unit 249 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 and was holding an envelope in his hand, 250 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 and he said that a reporter from The Eagle newspaper said, 251 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 "This is a weird letter we got at the paper. 252 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000 It appears to have a photocopy of three Polaroid pictures 253 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,000 of some female laying on the ground inside of a house." 254 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,000 I will never forget when Dana Gouge opened that letter. 255 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,000 He looked at what he had in front of him, 256 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 he slid it across the desk to me, 257 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 and there were three Polaroid photograph 258 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,000 photocopies of Vicki Wegerle laying dead in her home. 259 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Also, with those three Polaroids, 260 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 was a photocopy of her missing Kansas 261 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,000 driver's license and the initials BTK. 262 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,000 That symbol was not out in the public. 263 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,000 And seeing that BTK symbol on a piece of paper 264 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,000 with pictures of Vicki was bone-chilling. 265 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,000 ♪♪ 266 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Singular: About a week later, Lieutenant Ken Landwehr, 267 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,000 who's in charge of the murder investigation, 268 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 has a press conference. 269 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 The Wichita Police Department on Friday 270 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000 received information from The Wichita Eagle 271 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:59,000 and received a letter in the mail ... 272 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,000 referenced the homicide of Vicki Wegerle 273 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,000 on September 16, 1986. 274 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 The letter contained copies of photographs 275 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,000 and a personal item of Ms. Wegerle. 276 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,000 We've also been able to determine 277 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,000 that this communiqué most likely came from BTK. 278 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 We begin tonight with a killer on the loose, 279 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 a madman still out there taunting police and reporters. 280 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,000 He's known as the BTK killer because he binds, tortures, 281 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 and kills his victims. 282 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 For more than 30 years, 283 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Wichita has lived in fear of those initials, 284 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 and tonight it seems he has surfaced yet again, 285 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,000 sending new clues about who he is and the lives he's taken. 286 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Peters: We were scared to death. 287 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,000 It was a total replay of when he was killing in the '70s. 288 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Was he still killing right now? 289 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 And who was gonna be next? 290 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,000 ♪♪ 291 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,000 ♪♪ 292 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Jordan: In 2004, BTK is 59 years old, 293 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000 and it's not that he's too old to murder, 294 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 but, remember, it's the power and control 295 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 that really fuels him. 296 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 He launches this new cat-and-mouse game 297 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 with the police and the local media 298 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 and the public to basically say, 299 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 "This is the 30th-year anniversary, 300 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 and guess who's back?" 301 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,000 It was even scarier because, when he resurfaced, 302 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,000 no one had known that he committed 303 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,000 the murder of Vicki Wegerle until he resurfaced. 304 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,000 So then we're like, "What other ones are there?" 305 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Singular: BTK wanted attention. 306 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 He wanted attention for his crimes. 307 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 He wanted recognition. 308 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,000 So Lieutenant Landwehr decided, 309 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 "We want to set up communication with him. 310 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,000 We want to perhaps establish some sort of connection 311 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000 with him." 312 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Kenny Landwehr was a natural for that position. 313 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 A lot of Kenny's press conferences were always planned, 314 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:26,000 and it was part of a plan to keep BTK communicating, 315 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:31,000 keep him sending information to us, keep him talking. 316 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 This is one of the most challenging cases 317 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000 that I've ever been involved with, 318 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,000 and I find that the individual that is doing this 319 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 would be very interesting to talk to. 320 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,000 ♪♪ 321 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Those type of conversations or those types of communications 322 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,000 are carefully choreographed and scripted. 323 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 You can't make any mistakes in those situations. 324 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000 We knew that we were getting through to him 325 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 and he was actually listening to us. 326 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Mattingly: The killer unleashed a flurry of communications 327 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 to local media, 328 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,000 three of them delivered to television station KAKE. 329 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Peters: First, he sent the chapter book, 330 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 where he wanted to write his own story. 331 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 In one of the communications to station KAKE, 332 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,000 the killer recently detailed a list of possible chapter titles, 333 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,000 as if he were writing his own story about this case. 334 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,000 He couldn't stand the idea of someone else writing his story. 335 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,000 He was also giving suggestions on what kind of chapters 336 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,000 there should be in the book, how to break out his story 337 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,000 into different chapters for the audience to read. 338 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000 The first section seems to describe 339 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000 how the killer stalks a victim. 340 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Some words are easy to find ... "prowl," 341 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000 "spot victim," 342 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000 "follow," "fantasies." 343 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 The names of the chapters were even frightening, 344 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 let alone the 13th chapter, "Will There Be More?" 345 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Mattingly: He had obviously put a lot of thought into this. 346 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,000 The question was, how did he want his story to end? 347 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000 That's the one thing nobody knew, 348 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,000 and then nobody knew what he had in mind. 349 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Kiesling: Another mysterious postcard sent to KAKE today, 350 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000 one that could be from BTK. 351 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Peters: Then, after the puzzles came the postcards. 352 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,000 The postcards to KAKE-TV with clues. 353 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,000 "Go to the corner of this street and this street, 354 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,000 and you will find a cereal box under a stop sign. 355 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 In the cereal box will be another clue." 356 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Well, we sent a reporter right out there. 357 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Sure enough, there was a cereal box. 358 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Inside of the cereal box, there were several things, 359 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 but the most disturbing thing was a doll, 360 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,000 almost like a Barbie-type doll, bound the way that BTK had bound 361 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 the little Otero girl in the basement. 362 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,000 ♪♪ 363 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,000 We're all very seasoned homicide detectives, 364 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000 and we were all shocked. 365 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Recent communications from BTK have included 366 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,000 several items of jewelry. 367 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000 There was jewelry included in the Post Toasties box 368 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 that was left on North Seneca Street, 369 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 as well in communication number 7, 370 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:34,000 in the package received yesterday by KSAS Fox 24. 371 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Otis: The postcard in there talked about some of the crimes 372 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,000 and also commented that the media or the police 373 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,000 haven't talked about the Home Depot drop he made. 374 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000 BTK had pulled into the parking lot of a Home Depot, 375 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000 put a cereal box in an employee's truck bed. 376 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,000 The employee found it, called dispatch, 377 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000 who called me, and we went and recovered that, 378 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:03,000 and it was more taunting with dolls and stolen jewelry. 379 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 On the plus side, 380 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Home Depot had cameras covering their parking lot. 381 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 They had to shut down their store and their system 382 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,000 in order to obtain videotape. 383 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,000 You can't see him, but you can see the car come in, 384 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,000 you can see an individual get out of the car, 385 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 and then you can see something being placed 386 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,000 in the pickup of this employee, and then the car drives off. 387 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Detective Relph, who knew a lot about cars, 388 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 tried to identify the car. 389 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 We had captured his vehicle at a Home Depot, 390 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 and we knew from the photograph 391 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 that he was driving a Jeep Cherokee. 392 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 That was the very first piece of evidence from BTK 393 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 that we got on our own, that wasn't given to us, 394 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 and that was a huge breakthrough. 395 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:03,000 ♪♪ 396 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,000 ♪♪ 397 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 398 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,000 BTK had disappeared, no sign of him for more than 10 years, 399 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 but now he was back ... 400 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 the taunting, the cat-and-mouse games. 401 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 The citizens of Wichita are terrified. 402 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 BTK thinks he has the upper hand, 403 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000 but all that is about to change. 404 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:37,000 ♪♪ 405 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,000 He was writing to the police department 406 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 every once in a while, saying, 407 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 "I'm gonna take out an ad in the classifieds, 408 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,000 and I'm gonna give you a clue." 409 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 So Lieutenant Landwehr would read the classifieds 410 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000 and would answer him in the classifieds. 411 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Otis: One of the communications that he sent us, 412 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,000 BTK asked if we could trace a floppy disk. 413 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,000 And in that communication, he asked us to be honest. 414 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000 He writes, "Be honest." 415 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Now, I don't know what he was thinking, 416 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000 if he had bumped his head that day 417 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 or what the hell he was thinking, 418 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 so he asked us to put it in the paper, 419 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 "Rex, it will be okay." 420 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,000 And so we put in the paper, "Rex, it will be okay." 421 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 That was meant to be, "Oh, don't worry about it." 422 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,000 We would never be able to trace that. 423 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000 So he sends it. 424 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 The amusing thing to me was, 425 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:41,000 is that he told law enforcement to be honest, and we weren't. 426 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000 I head out to pick up the package. 427 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 We get to the Fox station. 428 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,000 There's more jewelry in it, there's a note in it, 429 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000 and the floppy disk. 430 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,000 We rush the floppy disk to our computer guy. 431 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Randy Stone, the computer guy, puts it in the computer. 432 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000 When I think about it, you still get goose bumps, 433 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000 because I was present when the disk went into the computer. 434 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000 The mistake that BTK made was, he made 435 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000 a copy of that test file, and once he copied it, 436 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000 it locked in identifiers in the computer gibberish. 437 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,000 I vividly recall going through, and then you see "Dennis," 438 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000 and then you see "Christ Lutheran Church." 439 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000 Otis: The message on the disk had been created 440 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,000 at the Christ Lutheran Church in Park City. 441 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,000 We used Google and Googled the church. 442 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000 It shows the church, where it's at in Park City, 443 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000 and then it shows the officers of the church, 444 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:48,000 and Dennis Rader was listed as the congregational president. 445 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Sure enough, right there ... 446 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000 "President of the congregation, Dennis Rader." 447 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000 They had their man. 448 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Once they said the name Dennis, I can tell you, 449 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 some of us were already cheating our way to the car 450 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 'cause we knew we were going. 451 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Singular: Detectives leave the Wichita Police Department, 452 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000 drive up to Park City, go to his house, 453 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,000 and see, in the driveway, parked is the vehicle 454 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000 that they'd picked up on the video 455 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000 from the Home Depot parking lot. 456 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Now they know that that is the vehicle, 457 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000 and it's just one more piece confirming 458 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 that they're on the right track. 459 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Otis: Once Detective Relph and Detective Snyder 460 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 found the black Jeep Cherokee in the driveway, 461 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000 we were fairly, fairly confident 462 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000 that this was our guy. 463 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,000 This Dennis Rader guy was BTK. 464 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000 I can tell you that Detective Relph was ready, 465 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000 and a couple of us were prepared to help him park 466 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000 down the street, walk up, knock on the door, 467 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,000 and when he comes to the door, we're gonna grab him. 468 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Lieutenant Landwehr said, "We're not gonna do that. 469 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 I need somebody to sit on the house. 470 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000 We're gonna send undercover people up to start surveillance, 471 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000 and I need everybody else to come back 472 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000 to the task force office 473 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,000 so we can figure out how we're gonna do this." 474 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Foulston: This is the killer? 475 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,000 What kind of background or history does this person have? 476 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,000 What kind of twisted life has this person led? 477 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Singular: Dennis Rader was born in 1945 in Kansas, 478 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 and his family then later moved to Park City, Kansas. 479 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 He had three younger brothers. 480 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 He was the oldest, and that was very important to him 481 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,000 in that he thought of himself as a very responsible son. 482 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000 We don't have any evidence at all 483 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000 that he was horrifically abused. 484 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 He had married parents. 485 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000 As far as we can tell, nothing bad ever happened 486 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000 to young Dennis Rader. 487 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,000 At the same time, he had early on this penchant 488 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:01,000 for doing a couple of things that were somewhat unusual. 489 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Someone in the family had these True Detective type magazines 490 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000 from the 1950s, 491 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,000 where you would see women on the cover. 492 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Maybe they were tied up, 493 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000 or maybe they were looking at an attacker 494 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:19,000 who was off-screen in horror, and he was exposed to them, 495 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,000 and he found them stimulating. 496 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000 He started making drawings of sort of mummy-like figures 497 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,000 where there would be women with lines across them, 498 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000 as if they were being tied up. 499 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000 O'Connor: He talked about, from a young age, 500 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000 some family members being out on a farm 501 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,000 where they had killed a chicken, and that chicken 502 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,000 had to be tied to a stump before they cut its head off, 503 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000 and he described being aroused by that. 504 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Jordan: He was aware from a very young age 505 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000 that he had these sexual fantasies 506 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 which were completely abnormal, 507 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,000 that he was what outsiders would call perverted, 508 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,000 that he had paraphilias and urges that nobody else shared, 509 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000 and he fostered them. 510 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000 He didn't talk to others about them. 511 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 He never went to a psychiatrist or a psychologist 512 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 to try to figure out where these urges were coming from. 513 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,000 He simply harbored them and knew that, some day, 514 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000 he would act on them. 515 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,000 ♪♪ 516 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Mattingly: This wasn't any kind of criminal mastermind. 517 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,000 This wasn't some great intellectual. 518 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000 But Dennis Rader was one thing. 519 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000 He was a monster. 520 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,000 There's no other way that you could describe what he did. 521 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,000 Singular: Dennis Rader was married to Paula in 1971. 522 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000 They would have two children. 523 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,000 From what we know, he was a devoted father and husband. 524 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000 Jordan: Dennis Rader's long-time jobs ... 525 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000 and he had two of them, really ... 526 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000 were working as a crew chief for ADT Security ... 527 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000 a job where he got to wear a uniform 528 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:24,000 and be a security expert ... and then later, of course, 529 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000 the compliance officer for the town where he lived, 530 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000 where he went around basically enforcing codes on barking dogs 531 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 and how high your grass is and whether or not you have 532 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000 an unregistered vehicle in your driveway. 533 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Dennis Rader was also a very steadfast member of his church 534 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 for decades, Christ Lutheran Church. 535 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000 By January of 2005, 536 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000 he had become the president of the congregation, 537 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000 and that means taking care of a lot of business 538 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,000 and running council meetings and all of that. 539 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000 So he could not have had a higher standing 540 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 inside of his faith. 541 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000 Foulston: It was like, "Oh, my God. 542 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000 This is the person that's been doing this? 543 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:12,000 This guy who's hyper-religious, involved with his church 544 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,000 and loves the Boy Scouts and does all this? 545 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,000 This is the killer?" 546 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Morton: He was busy. 547 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000 I mean, his son was an Eagle Scout. 548 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000 He used to take his son to all those camp-outs 549 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000 they have to do. 550 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000 His daughter was also involved in all kinds of things, 551 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000 and he was involved in her life, as well. 552 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000 We knew he had to be involved in his own life, 553 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000 and matter of fact, we stated the reason he stopped 554 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000 was because life caught up with him. 555 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000 I was not surprised that he was able to compartmentalize 556 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:50,000 this away from his family so his family had no idea. 557 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000 Burgess: This is not uncommon for these serial killers 558 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000 to talk about having the good and the bad side, 559 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,000 or the evil side and the good side. 560 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000 I mean, they do dichotomize themselves. 561 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000 I even had one serial killer that had himself 562 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000 in three different parts ... you know, 563 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000 his work life, his home life, and his killing life. 564 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000 So they are able to compartmentalize. 565 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,000 That's a tactic that they have that they're able to do, 566 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000 and they kind of pride themselves on it. 567 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Law enforcement went about stalking Dennis Rader 568 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000 for a week. 569 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000 We had, like, a war room where we started investigating Rader. 570 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 We went back to the task force and sat around 571 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000 and began to discuss what our plan was going to be. 572 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Singular: Lieutenant Landwehr says, "What we need is DNA. 573 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Now, we have those three DNA samples 574 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000 that we have been in storage for now 31 years ... 575 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000 the Otero crime scene, the Fox crime scene, 576 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 and the Wegerle crime scene." 577 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000 Otis: We're talking about following him, 578 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000 seeing if he'll drop a fork in a restaurant 579 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000 or if he'd smoke a cigarette and throw it down. 580 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,000 By this time, we knew Dennis Rader had a daughter, 581 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000 and his daughter had attended college 582 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000 at Kansas State University. 583 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,000 One of the agents that was working with us knew that campus 584 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000 and said they had a women's clinic on campus 585 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000 for the students. 586 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Maybe we can look for the Pap smear of her. 587 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000 O'Connor: We had a lot of discussion about it, 588 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000 and, ultimately, the decision was made 589 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,000 that the privacy interests were outweighed 590 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,000 by the law-enforcement interests in catching a serial killer. 591 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,000 We had presented it to a judge to get court approval, 592 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000 and then we were able to obtain that Pap smear 593 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,000 and do that reverse DNA. 594 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000 Otis: About 24 hours later, Lieutenant Landwehr 595 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,000 took a phone call from the DNA scientist, who said, 596 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000 "I can't tell you that Dennis Rader is your killer, 597 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,000 but I can tell you that the father of Kerri Rader is BTK." 598 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 And then we had our DNA match. 599 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,000 ♪♪ 600 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:19,000 ♪♪ 601 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Otis: When we got that DNA sample 602 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,000 back, we planned the arrest. 603 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 The plan was, three cars would take him down 604 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000 on the side of the road, we'd attempt to arrest him. 605 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000 If he would've resisted, it'd have been a bad day for him. 606 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Foulston: These things are now moving very quickly. 607 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000 It was planned and orchestrated. 608 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Everything was in order. 609 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Dennis Rader gets up, goes through his routine, 610 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,000 gets in his truck, and goes about his job that morning. 611 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,000 He always leaves for lunch at exactly 12:15 to go home. 612 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000 Takes him two minutes to get there. 613 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000 They'd done enough surveillance, and we were very familiar 614 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000 with his routine by this point. 615 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000 He came down the road. 616 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000 He was coming from work. 617 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000 The truck went down the road, and I slammed my car in drive. 618 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Police cars pull in around him, stop him, tell him to get out. 619 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Otis: We got him out of the car, we put him on the ground, 620 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000 and we handcuffed him. 621 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000 We stood him up. 622 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000 And in the very back of our line of our police cars 623 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000 was Lieutenant Landwehr in the back seat of a Ford Taurus. 624 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000 Dennis Rader was put in the back seat 625 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000 right next to Kenny Landwehr. 626 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000 And they look at each other. 627 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 "Hello, Mr. Landwehr." 628 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 "Hello, Mr. Rader." 629 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Landwehr says, "Do you know why you're here?" 630 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000 He says, "I have a pretty good idea." 631 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Otis: We had staged the interview with Dennis Rader 632 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 far in advance of him being in that room. 633 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000 We had a camera and obviously audio and video 634 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000 recording going on. 635 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Morton: Literally, in 3 hours and 15 minutes, 636 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,000 it got to a point where Ken was finally talking to him about DNA 637 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000 and where we could get DNA from. 638 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000 He basically said, "Well, you got me," 639 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000 and he still wouldn't say it. 640 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,000 So I finally looked at him and said, "Come on, Dennis, 641 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 just tell us who you are." 642 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 You're BTK. Okay. 643 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 We begin tonight with breaking news in the case. 644 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000 We have just learned that Dennis Rader 645 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000 has now been booked into the Sedgwick County Jail. 646 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Peters: Rader has been charged with 10 counts now 647 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 of first-degree murder. 648 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000 Today is a very historic day 649 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 for the Wichita Police Department. 650 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,000 BTK is arrested. 651 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,000 [Cheers and applause] 652 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000 Relph: Once he was caught 653 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000 and they did the search of his house... 654 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000 ...then in the crawlspace area, he had a big ziplock bag 655 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000 that had stuff from Dolores and Marine, 656 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,000 and he had several Polaroids. 657 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 O'Connor: He had things in his home, 658 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000 and that's why people had speculated, 659 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000 how could the wife not know? 660 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000 And it's because most of the stuff 661 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,000 was behind false drawers or false walls, so hidden. 662 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Otis: He told us about the cabinet in his office. 663 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000 The top drawer was work stuff. 664 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 We opened the bottom drawer, and it was full of BTK 665 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,000 memorabilia ... newspaper clippings, 666 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000 some of his original pictures, 667 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,000 some of his original 1970s letter to the cops. 668 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000 He called it "the mother lode." 669 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Foulston: He was really prolific. 670 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000 He used to take photographs of himself. 671 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000 He would half-bury himself. 672 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000 He would swing from trees. 673 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000 He would put masks on. 674 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 He would put women's clothing on. 675 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:17,000 It was despicable, disgusting, sexually bereft-type of stuff 676 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000 that you have never seen in your life 677 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000 and you don't ever want to see again. 678 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000 And that was all involved with that case. 679 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000 In our minds, as this was discussed 680 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 and kind of profiled down at the Behavioral Science Unit, 681 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000 was really his art. 682 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,000 And he does a lot in what we call the expressive style. 683 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000 He really likes that. 684 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,000 O'Connor: He actually entered pleas 685 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,000 of guilty to the 10 homicides, 686 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000 and so Judge Waller had Rader describe the murders 687 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 at his guilty plea, and I believe Dennis Rader 688 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,000 was more than happy to describe what he had done. 689 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000 Man: When you went into the house, what happened then? 690 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,000 Well, I confronted the family. 691 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,000 I pulled the pistol, confronted Mr. Otero. 692 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Otero: That day we went to court, 693 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000 and we listened to the testimony 694 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000 about how my family was killed. It was very, very hard. 695 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,000 I didn't have a mask on or anything. 696 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 They already could I.D. me. 697 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,000 It was once again that feeling of my chest being ripped open, 698 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,000 had come back to me. 699 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000 And made a decision 700 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,000 to go ahead and ... and put 'em down. 701 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,000 Otis: He recited them like he was reading a book. 702 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:44,000 ♪♪ 703 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000 And that was spine-chilling. 704 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000 Otero: Everybody asks me, "Do you forgive him?" 705 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,000 All I can say is, I can't lie to you ... no. 706 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000 As far as, like, his punishment goes, 707 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000 I hope he lives a long, rotten life. 708 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000 You know, I don't forgive him. 709 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000 I know that's a problem I have as a Christian. 710 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000 The Lord knows how I feel about it. 711 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000 When I hear the name "Dennis Rader," 712 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000 the first thing that comes to mind is disgust. 713 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Dennis Rader has never really truly apologized 714 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,000 for anything he's done, has never truly apologized 715 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,000 to the victims' families, has never, 716 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,000 I feel, felt remorse for what he did. 717 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000 Otero: It was a great family. 718 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000 My mom was great, she really was ... and my dad. 719 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000 And that's why, when I do these interviews, 720 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,000 one of the reasons why is just, for one instant, my family, 721 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,000 who've been gone for almost 40 years now, 722 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000 they're relevant again in today's society. 723 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000 They existed, and the world knows they existed, 724 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000 and they didn't just get erased from life 725 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000 and swept under the carpet. 726 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,000 They were somebody, and they were worthy of life, you know? 727 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000 And, to me, that's important. 728 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,000 O'Connor: Dennis Rader was sentenced to 10 life sentences, 729 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 all run consecutive to one another, 730 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000 so he'll die in prison. 731 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,000 He is in the El Dorado Correctional Facility. 732 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000 Foulston: The first question that people would ask, 733 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000 "Why can't you get the death penalty for him?" 734 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,000 I'll say, "Oh, because there was no death penalty for those times 735 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,000 and places where these incidents occurred." 736 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000 This was somebody that should not have lived. 737 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,000 I wish we'd had the death penalty for him. 738 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000 After what he did? 739 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000 O'Connor: He liked what he did. 740 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000 It may be something that's hard for us to grasp, 741 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,000 why a person would want to do that, but he enjoyed it. 742 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,000 It wasn't his parents' fault, wasn't society's fault. 743 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000 He just liked doing what he was doing 744 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000 and wished he could've done it more. 745 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000 It's what he wanted to do, it's what he wanted to be, 746 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000 and if he had his choice, that's who he would be, 747 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,000 not the Dennis Rader 748 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,000 the husband/father/compliance officer. 749 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,000 He wanted to be BTK the serial killer. 750 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000 After Dennis Rader's arrest, 751 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 his wife was granted an emergency divorce. 752 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 Over the years, his daughter 753 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 has exchanged letters with her father, 754 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000 searching for some kind of explanation 755 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000 for his horrible deeds, 756 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000 if something violent happened to him during his childhood, 757 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000 but Rader has always insisted 758 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,000 he was never physically or sexually abused as a child. 759 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000 Lieutenant Kenny Landwehr was determined to get his man, 760 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000 and he did. 761 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000 Many credit him as the reason Rader 762 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000 was finally captured. 763 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,000 A true hero, Landwehr died in 2014 after a battle with cancer. 764 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 765 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000 Thanks for watching. 766 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000 Good night. 767 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000 ♪♪ 60493

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