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Manson: I'll be coming up
to your children.

And I'll do whatever it takes

to preserve my life on the planet earth.

Because I am a selfish,
bitter, no-account,

vicious snake.

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[Whoosh]

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Welcome to
"very scary people."

I'm Donnie wahlberg.

Charles manson, a twisted
cult leader bent on violence,

has led his followers
in a series of vicious murders.

His goal?

To start a race war
between blacks and whites...

A conflict he calls helter skelter.

His murder weapons are
members of his commune...

Impressionable young people,
many from good families...

Who he manipulates
with mind-control techniques,

turning his group of peaceful hippies

into a devoted death squad.

Police have yet to make the connection

between the carnage at two
of manson's bloody crime scenes,

and Charlie is way ahead of them.

He wants more death, and he
wants it the very next night.

How will investigators
ultimately piece it

all together?

Here's part two of
"the devil's work."

[Ominous chord strikes]

I spent the best part of my life
in boys' schools,

prisons, and reform schools.

Roberts: You can't understand
Charlie manson

without understanding his criminal past

and his time in jail.

Rick:
In order for him to survive,

he developed skills to manipulate people.

Prison is where manson
perfected the art of the con.

He's inspired by a very unlikely source.

His personal guru is none other
than Dale carnegie.

Dr. Jordan: "How to win friends
and influence people."

And then he used those techniques,

that ability to manipulate,

and eventually get people
to kill for him.

Guinn:
When he got out of prison,

Charlie reinvents himself as a guru.

He used the hippie ideals
as recruitment tools,

but there was always,
at the core, manson's attitudes,

which were darker and more violent

and more angry than the hippie ideal.

Charlie believes he is destined
to be a rock star.

And it's just going to come down
to can he get one break,

one introduction, and he does.

Manson strikes up a friendship

with Dennis Wilson of the beach boys.

Manson, at Dennis Wilson's house,

met Terry Melcher.

He was a famous record
producer at the time.

He was living with his girlfriend,

Candice Bergen, at 10050 cielo drive.

Lake:
Terry Melcher came to the ranch,

and we did, like,
a little recording session.

But it's met with a flat rejection.

Charlie was really upset about that.

Terry Melcher had dashed
his hope for a music contract.

In my opinion, that rejection is
what led to his desire to kill.

Kay: He started holding
training classes

for how to commit murder.

Then, on Friday, August the 8th, he said,

"now is the time
for helter skelter."

Roman polanski was a very
famous director at that time;

Sharon Tate,
an up-and-coming young actress.

The newlyweds had moved
into 10050 cielo drive.

Manson sends out three women,

with Tex Watson, to the Tate residence.

Shelley: Manson instructs Tex
that he's to go in there

and kill everyone in a gory scene.

Guinn: Watson and the women
proceeded to the house.

Tex Watson said, "we're gonna
kill everyone in there."

Atkins: I remember
that I had gone so far,

and there was no turning back,

that even if I had wanted to run,

even if I had
wanted to leave, I couldn't.

It was like I was caught in something

that I had no control over.

Dr. Jordan: Sharon Tate
and three houseguests...

Jay sebring, Abigail Folger,
and wojciech frykowski...

Have no idea
what's coming up the driveway.

The people in that house
were terrorized, tortured.

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Dr. Jordan: Charles manson
may not have been there,

but he had given them
very specific instructions,

"before you leave,
leave a sign."

Susan atkins picks up a towel

and dips it in the blood of Sharon Tate,

and on the front door
of the house writes the word,

"pig."

Reporter: In a scene described
by one investigator

as reminiscent of a weird religious rite,

five persons including actress
Sharon Tate, were found dead.

Sidner: Incredibly, 19-year-old
William garretson,

the fill-in caretaker,

had been just 25 yards away,
in the guesthouse,

when these five people
were murdered the night before.

Wiehl: The police take
William garretson into custody,

and he becomes suspect number one.

Shelley: As I.A. homicide
detectives are looking,

one of the strangest things was
a statement written in blood.

On the front door,
they saw the word "pig."

Sidner: But why is it written
here, on Sharon Tate's front door?

Police at the Sharon Tate murder
get a call from police

that were investigating
the murder of Gary hinman.

Hinman was the musician
who was murdered in his own home

a little over a week before.

Kay: And they said, "look, we
have the murder of Gary hinman",

and there's writing in blood
on the wall...

'political piggy.'

and you have the Tate murders with 'pig'

written in Sharon Tate's blood
on the front door.

These murders may well be connected,

"because it's so unusual
to have writing in blood."

And... pbht... LAPD not interested.

The LAPD should have made
that connection.

The thing would have been solved
in a matter of days.

But despite the brutal murders,
manson is still not satisfied.

I am very mad, and I don't know
whether I can control myself.

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Charlie had been talking
about the race war,

referring to it as helter skelter.

Manson thought,
because of the Tate murders,

helter skelter would begin.

But that bizarre race war manson
predicted

still wasn't happening.

So, on August 10th, after
everyone else had gone to bed,

manson again gathers a select
group of his followers together.

A team of his death squad,
his favorite followers,

to commit yet another murder.

There was Tex and manson
and Linda kasabian,

Susan, pat, and I.

Manson said he was going
to go out with them that night

and show them how to do it right.

Van houten:
We got in the car.

And you drive where?

We drove all over I.A.

Charles manson is actually
in the car with Tex

and the girls, looking for
what the target will be.

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And they went looking for their
victims completely at random.

And manson was very agitated.

And kasabian was very nervous and upset,

and he was yelling at her a lot.

Eventually, manson has kasabian
pull over at a house

in the I.A. neighborhood
of Los feliz.

The labiancas, a nice
middle-upper-class couple.

Kay: Leno ran a family
business, a chain of small markets.

He had met Rosemary
when she was a waitress

at a local restaurant.

They were good family people.

Guinn:
Manson knew that neighborhood.

That's why he brought his killers there.

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Wiehl:
Charles manson goes up,

looks into the window
of the labianca home,

sees leno in the home.

Dr. Jordan: Manson and Watson
enter through the backdoor.

The labiancas are tied up and pillowcases

put over their heads.

Manson then left the house,
returning to the car.

Manson came back,
and he pointed at pat and I

and told us to get out
and go do what Tex said,

and then... do whatever Tex said?

Yeah.

He said to Tex to make sure
that everybody did something.

Charlie left before the actual murders.

He was not going to be there
while murder was committed.

Man: You came in the house
with Tex,

and decided to leave and go elsewhere.

I walked with Tex.

What Tex did was Tex' business.

What you do is yours.

I don't tell you what to do.

Rick: Manson had other people
he could weaponize to do

whatever it was that he wanted done,

rather than to take on
the responsibility himself.

Pat and I went in the kitchen.

I think Tex said to get knives.

And pat and I took Mrs. Labianca
into the bedroom,

and, um... was she screaming?

Not at that point.
Mostly, "what's going on?

What are you going to do?"

Dr. Jordan: Within seconds, Tex
Watson begins to stab leno labianca.

Rosemary labianca can hear

what's going on in the living room,

and she can hear
her husband being killed.

And she screams out, "what
are you doing to my husband?"

She then begins to struggle
with Patricia krenwinkel

and Leslie Van houten.

I tried to hold
Mrs. Labianca down.

And pat went to stab her,
and the knife bent,

and she was yelling out for her husband.

Dr. Jordan: Tex hears the
struggle going on and takes control,

and he begins to stab Rosemary.

Van houten: And then Tex turned
me around and he handed me a knife,

and he said, "do something."

And Mrs. Labianca

was laying on the floor,
and I stabbed her. Where?

In the lower back, around 16 times.

Dr. Jordan: Patricia krenwinkel
had a long carving fork,

a two-pronged fork that she
stabbed into leno's stomach.

Then the word, "war"
was carved into leno's stomach.

Patricia krenwinkel then wrote
in blood on the walls,

the words "rise," "death to pigs,"

and then the most famous,
"helter skelter,"

misspelled on the refrigerator door.

After you went out to the car
and drove away,

was there a rush, a high?

There was... we didn't do that.

What did you do?

We went and sat in some bushes.

And I believe it was Tex took
milk and cheese from the house.

And you ate?

And we sat in the bushes
and had milk and cheese.

And where was manson?

He was gone.

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Dr. Smith: How can relatively
normal-looking young people

come up with these awful ideas

and commit these terrible crimes?

Manson fulfilled a core
need in his followers' lives.

They felt unloved, and they got
what they needed from manson.

He told them that he would be
the family they never had.

And the key was, they had
to be completely loyal

and give their lives over to him

if they wanted to be in his family.

They became little Charlie mansons.

They were gleeful and happy to kill.

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Guinn:
Fear permeated the city.

No matter where you lived,
you were not safe.

Gun sales went off
the charts in I.A.

Guinn: Guard dogs that were
selling for $200,

the days before the murder,
were now selling for $1,000,

and you had to get on
a waiting list for them.

In I.A., actors and actresses
were having bodyguards

because, you know, Sharon Tate
was an actress married to

a famous director.

It sent shock waves
through everyone in Hollywood.

And there was a great deal of fear...

Very tangible fear that rippled
through the Hollywood Hills.

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Kay:
LAPD had a group of detectives

working the murders at the Tate residence

and another group of detectives
working the labianca murders,

and these two groups weren't
really talking to each other.

You've got "pig" on the front
door of Sharon Tate's house,

"death to pigs" on the living
room in the labianca house.

The minute that the homicide detectives

saw the writing of blood
in the labianca double homicide,

they should have brought
those investigations together.

The homicides are not connected.

I think the public and a lot
of the media had

picked out the fact that
they were similar in nature,

possibly because of the blood
and the inscriptions.

Wiehl: They should have been
one investigation,

looking for one individual
or group of individuals

that had committed both
of these heinous crimes.

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Sidner: The same day the
labiancas are found murdered,

the prime suspect in the Tate case,

19-year-old William garretson,

is abruptly ruled out
as a suspect and released.

Reporter:
Late this afternoon,

police released
the only suspect they had...

19-year-old William garretson,
caretaker at the polanski home.

Wiehl:
They give him a polygraph.

He passes the polygraph in flying colors.

Sidner: Meanwhile, the LAPD
has a new theory

why Tate and the four
other people killed with her

at her home were targeted
in the first place.

It had been determined that the
Tate murders were drug-related

and had nothing to do with anyone else.

Wiehl: The autopsy reports showed
some drugs in two of the bodies.

And there was marijuana
in Jay sebring's car.

Wiehl:
Roman polanski and his friends

are quite frustrated with the LAPD

because the LAPD is making it quite clear

that somehow the celebrity lifestyle

led to this horrible scene of murder.

And Roman polanski and his
celebrity friends are saying,

"no, that's not it."

Sidner: Not only are the Tate
investigators

on a wild goose chase,

but so are the labianca detectives.

They're looking into leno
and his horses and his gambling.

And they find that he may have
some gambling that has gone bad.

The idea that the police have is
some kind of mafia connection.

Again, they're looking
in the wrong track.

[Whooshes]

A week after the Tate murders,
Charles manson and his followers

wake to the sound of unwanted visitors.

The sheriff's department had
a big raid on spahn ranch.

They arrested manson.

They arrested other members
of the family...

...for stealing cars.

And the police couldn't understand

when Charlie asked what the charges were

and they said, "car theft,"
that manson started laughing.

But he had a reason to laugh.

He was relieved.

No one had any idea
that they had anything to do

with Tate and labianca.

And they've got the wrong date
on the search warrant.

So all of them are now released.

Sidner: What some of his
followers don't realize is that Charlie

had groomed a violent
hit squad within the family.

Lake:
Leslie and Susan and Patty

were telling me how they participated.

Leslie said she stabbed
somebody over and over again,

even though they were already dead.

When I found out that Tex had murdered,

it was like the rug had been
pulled out from under me.

I had no idea that I was sitting
amongst the murderers.

Charlie was getting threatening,
and he was quite... he was mean.

He was beating on some of the girls,

specially dianne lake.

And he broke a chair and then
beat me with the chair leg.

I was afraid that I would be killed.

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Dr. Jordan: Manson now realizes
that the heat is on with the police,

that they're going to be
caught unless they relocate,

so he gathers the manson family

and they move deep into death valley.

Sidner: 250 miles away,
manson and his followers

move to an extremely
remote place in the desert,

called barker ranch.

Wiehl: In death valley,
all of a sudden,

a huge piece of road equipment
goes up in flames.

I think it was Charlie and Tex and Bruce

that had started this fire

because the road was blocked
with this road grader

and they were mad,
and so they decided to burn it.

The inyo county sheriff's department

starts to investigate,
and they raid barker ranch

and find dune buggies and engines

and cars that are stolen.

Sidner: Members of the family had
stolen these cars and dune buggies

and were using them for parts.

Kay: Manson and the people
who were with him

at the time were arrested.

Wiehl: But they're still,
at that point,

arresting him for low-level auto theft.

Yet the important thing is,
they've got him.

They have the murderers,
and they don't know it.

Guinn: If it hadn't been
for the police in death valley

arresting Charles manson
and his followers,

he might still be out there.

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Charles manson and his followers
are under arrest

after a police raid, but not for murder.

They're in custody for auto theft,

and detectives still have no clue

that they're holding the killers

responsible for multiple murders.

But they're about to get
an unexpected break in the case.

And the world is about to witness

one of the most bizarre
murder trials in U.S. history...

A courtroom spectacle
that gives new meaning

to the term "devil's work."

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The October 1969 arrests
of Charles manson

and many of his followers, for car theft,

has put most of the family
members behind bars,

including Susan atkins.

Guinn: Susan atkins, at
the time she was imprisoned,

was surely one of Charlie's
most devout followers.

She is taken to what is now Sybil brand,

the I.A. police holding center,

and she's taken there for questioning.

I was at Sybil brand
because I had written a check

and I couldn't cover it.

There was a young, pretty little girl

that was always singing and dancing

and running up and down the aisle,

and so she started talking with me.

Kay:
She's a blabbermouth.

She had a reputation in the family

of not being able to keep a secret.

And she begins to talk about
what happened

in the Tate residence.

Graham: She says, "well, you know
those murders up Benedict canyon?"

Then, it dawned on me
that it was the Tate murders.

She said, "you know who did it,
don't you?"

And I looked at her and I said,
"no, I don't."

And her words to me, to be exact, were,

"you're looking at her."

I just thought that this was
something she dreamed up.

Sidner: But by an odd
twist of fate, Virginia says,

she'd actually been to
10050 cielo drive years earlier,

when she and her husband
considered renting the property.

Graham: She said they had gotten
Jay and Sharon into the living room,

and it had beamed ceilings,

and that's how I knew
that she had been in the house.

She took responsibility
for murdering Sharon.

Graham: She told me that Sharon
Tate was crying and was begging her,

"please don't hurt me,
don't don't kill me.

I just want to have my baby."

And with this, she said,
"bitch, I don't care

if you're going to have a baby or not.

You're going to die.

And I killed her."

And that was her exact words,
"I killed her."

Sidner:
Virginia and another inmate,

who also heard this story
from Susan atkins,

both decided to report
the manson follower's

stunning admission to police.

Kay: They came forward
at about the same time,

calling independently of each other,

calling Hollywood homicide.

Sidner: Virginia says that one
thing in particular Susan told

her compelled her to talk to police.

Susan had told Virginia Graham
that the plan of the family

was to seek out celebrities
to murder them.

And the one I recall in particular was,

they were going to murder frank Sinatra.

Graham: They were going to
skin him alive

and make purses out of it

and sell it on Hollywood boulevard.

And Elizabeth Taylor, they were
going to remove her eyes.

Sidner: This hit list of stars
Susan atkins tells Virginia

about also includes singer
Tom Jones and Steve McQueen.

Graham:
Supposing she had gotten out

and then did the terrible things
that she was saying.

I just had to speak up.

Well, that broke the case.

Davis: Information from the two
separate investigations

of the Tate and labianca cases

led detectives to the conclusion
that the crimes in both cases

were committed by
the same group of people.

Shelley: Susan atkins is now
hauled before a grand jury.

But when she took the stand,

she actually denied
that she stabbed Sharon Tate

and said she held Sharon Tate
while Tex did the stabbing.

Nobody really knows
which version is true.

Saying that I had killed Sharon Tate,

I tried to take some of the blame

and put it on myself because
I thought that was my part.

Sidner: Atkins also names
fellow manson family members

Patricia krenwinkel, Linda kasabian,

and Leslie Van houten as key participants

in the Tate and labianca murders,

all under manson's direction.

What Susan atkins said was so important,

that the prosecution at the time
made a deal with her to testify.

Reporter: The leader of the
hippie clan, Charles manson,

is being returned to Los Angeles today

from the desert town where he's
been in jail on other charges.

When the trial begins,
the state will attempt to prove

that he gave the orders
to his followers to kill.

That sent a tremor through
this country at the time.

"My god, how is this possible?

Has the hippie movement gone that awry

that it's starting
to murder people?"

Sidner: The Los Angeles
district attorney appoints

Vincent bugliosi lead prosecutor
on the case against manson.

The prosecutor considers
these murders to be

perhaps the most heinous
in modern history.

The savagery of them, the mind control.

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Sidner: Charles manson and
some of his closest followers face

seven counts of murder,

and one count
conspiracy to commit murder.

Guinn: We now look back at it and
think it was a foregone conclusion

that they were gonna be convicted.

They're guilty as hell.

And yet it never was that certain.

Dr. Jordan: You're trying a
man for multiple counts of murder,

and he wasn't there

and he didn't even pick up
any of the murder weapons.

Guinn: Vincent bugliosi...
He could always be certain

that he would eventually convict
Tex Watson,

and Patricia krenwinkel,
Susan atkins, Leslie Van houten.

There was evidence linking them
to the crimes

that any jury would see.

But Charles manson,
that was the hard one.

His defense was,
"I had nothing to do with it,

they were doing what they wanted to.

How can you blame me?"

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Reporter: Susan, what are you
planning to do today?

Whatever is asked of me, I would imagine.

Sidner: Manson works hard
to dominate his followers.

He actually convinces Susan atkins,

who already received immunity
for her testimony against him,

to drop the deal.

She is going to deny all those statements

made at the grand jury.

Guinn: Dennis Wilson
absolutely refused to go into court

and testify against him.

He feared Charlie manson.

Dennis denied any contact
with him whatsoever.

And Terry Melcher wasn't
really cooperating.

Melcher went underground
for a year, living in fear.

So, you haven't got witnesses
who can really build up the case

against manson and the grudges he held.

So, how to prove in court

that manson was responsible
for the murders?

The prosecution went after
Linda kasabian to testify,

which made much more sense,

because Linda didn't
physically participate

in any of the actual murders.

Linda kasabian
was chosen by Charles manson

to go along on the first
night of the Tate murders

because she was the only member
of the immediate family

that had a valid driver's license,

and she later became the chief witness

against manson and the others.

I'd like to see them fall on their knees

and beg for forgiveness.

They don't want to realize
what they've done.

Reporter: All the elements are
present for one of the most

sensational murder trials
in American history...

Seven people brutally murdered

in a glare of Hollywood publicity.

Sidner: In July of 1970, the joint
murder trial of Charles manson

and his followers...
Susan atkins, Leslie Van houten,

and Patricia krenwinkel...
Begins in Los Angeles,

for the Tate and labianca murders.

Reporter: Young girls supposedly
under the spell of a bearded svengali

who allegedly masterminded
the seven murders.

One of the girls was only 16 years old.

Dr. Jordan: The question as to
whether the followers of manson

were victims or villains...

The dynamic is that they are both.

Their victimization,
at the hands of Charles manson,

the brainwashing,
turned them into villains.

Bugliosi: Manson was the only one
that had a motive for these murders,

and that motive was helter skelter.

Helter skelter was his philosophy.

And when those two words
were found printed in blood

at the murder scene,
that's tantamount to manson's

fingerprints being found
at the murder scene.

Rick: And the theory
that bugliosi brilliantly used

was that manson so totally
controlled his followers

that they were little more
than his weapon of choice

and that he would kill people,

using them as the device of destruction.

We had to show that he had
control over the killers,

so that if he gave them
the order to kill,

that they would do that.

And it was just clear
to everyone in the courtroom

that manson still controlled
all the female defendants.

The manson family was camped
out on the sidewalk.

They lived outside the courthouse.

It almost became like a circus.

It was just showtime.

Guinn: Manson he has some of his
followers in the hallways,

passing out leaflets about how,

"these people have no right
to try me."

Shelley: The girls would
come into the courtroom,

smiling and singing a song
that Charlie wrote.

Manson came in one day
with an "x" on his forehead.

He has cut an "x"
between his eyes because,

"society has x'd us out.

We don't count."

Man: The next day, the women
came in with x's on their forehead.

Shelley: And the followers outside
carve x's in their foreheads, as well.

Nobody had ever seen anything like it.

Boy, did they play right into our hands.

Shelley: Manson gave bugliosi
everything he needed...

Living daily proof
that they were following

what he told them to do,
regardless of the consequences.

In the courtroom itself,

the girls essentially had been
told by Charlie to make a scene.

Kay: Manson would say
something in the courtroom,

and then the three women
in unison would get up

and they would repeat what manson said.

What transpired today was this...

The three girls in the case stood up

and turned their back to the court.

There's a constant theme
of disorder in the court

because of all of the antics,

and the judge is always having to order

manson removed from the courtroom.

I'll do whatever it takes
to preserve my life

on the planet earth,
because I am a selfish, bitter,

no-account, vicious snake.

Dr. Jordan: He knows what
he's doing, and at one point,

he offers one of the bailiffs $100,000,

if he can figure out a way for
him to escape, or set him free.

It was really just yet
another courtroom tactic,

where he was trying to show,
"I have so much power."

What he used to do,
he had this hitlerian stare.

That was the stare that was on
the cover of "life" magazine.

He'd turn around and he'd stare
at spectators, you know,

and they'd get up and they'd leave.

Dr. Jordan: When the witness
for the prosecution,

Linda kasabian,
is entering the courtroom,

the intimidation by
Charles manson was unmistakable.

He lifted his finger and made
a slicing motion

across his throat,

to send a very clear message to Linda,

"you're going to die for
what you're about to say."

The press gets a hold of
the fact that president Nixon

has actually made a statement,
"Charles manson is guilty."

Manson gets the paper,
stands up in front of the jury.

Headline... extra...
"manson guilty, Nixon declares."

Bugliosi: Threw the trial
into a tizzy, obviously.

There was a motion for a mistrial.

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Sidner: Former family member
Barbara hoyt is torn

about whether she should
testify against manson.

His followers try to keep her
from talking.

They threatened my family
that what had happened

at Sharon Tate's house
would happen at mine.

She was overdosed with LSD
by another manson follower,

who was trying to keep her
from testifying.

It gave her a bad trip
but didn't kill her.

I knew what to do then.

She testified and was a great witness.

Dr. Jordan: During the
presentation of evidence,

October 5, 1970,

the prosecution is presenting
testimony of a detective,

and Charles manson takes it upon himself

to stand up and demand of the judge

that he wants
to cross-examine the witness.

And before you knew it... bingo...

He was leaping toward the judge.

A bailiff tackled him in midair.

He had a pencil in his hand,
like a knife.

And he yells at the judge,

"in the name of Christian justice,

someone should chop
off your head."

Charles manson is crazy like a fox.

He just loves to mess
with people's minds.

Now, the judge started carrying a

.38-caliber revolver
under his robe in court.

♪♪

The jury hearing the charges
against Charles manson

and three girl members
of his so-called "family"

brought in its verdict this afternoon.

Wiehl: They found him guilty
of all the crimes,

all the conspiracy counts,
all the murder counts.

They were all sentenced to death.

And then Watson, in his trial,
was sentenced to death.

Aren't we all born to die?

Shelley:
Charlie manson shaved his head,

and the followers shaved
their heads in solidarity.

This city is going to be
burning very soon.

This city is coming down.

This city is falling.

Babylon is going to fall.

Sidner: Manson and the others
are placed on death row.

Bugliosi: But, the very next
year, the California supreme court

and the U.S. supreme court set
aside the death penalty.

I mean, if this was not a proper case

for the death penalty, what would be?

How many people would he have to
kill to get the death penalty?

Kay: Everybody on death row
at that time,

including manson
and the three girls and Watson,

became eligible for parole
after seven years.

At a minimum, if justice means
anything in america,

they should spend the rest
of their lives behind bars.

Martley: It was a shock,

and I'm sure it's a shock
to all the victims' families,

because we felt that
they had been put in prison

and that's where they would stay.

Sidner: Shelley Ross produced
a Charles manson

prison interview with nbc's Tom snyder.

If you got out of here,
there are a lot of people

who think you'd go start
killing people again.

"Again"?
Mm-hmm.

Shelley: Manson reaches over to
me, and he said,

"are you going to ask me questions like,"

and he put his hand around my neck,

"is this where I hold the knife
to women's throats?"

It was really creepy.

These murders would never
have taken place

if it had not been for Charles manson.

But I also think you have to realize

that these murders would
probably have not taken place

if the actual killers
did not want to kill.

And he was like the catalyst that brought

that hostility to the surface.

Sidner: Susan atkins died of
brain cancer in prison in 2009.

But five of his former followers

are still behind bars in California...

Charles "Tex" Watson, Leslie Van houten,

Patty krenwinkel, Bruce Davis,
and Bobby beausoleil.

They are struggling to get out
to be on parole,

and that's the sad part of it.

We're still all this time later,

and we're now having to fight
to keep them in prison.

If they got paroled, they'd be
somebody's next-door neighbor,

and I never believed
that they were reformed enough

so that they wouldn't be
a danger, even today.

Every life that Charles manson
touched was hurt in some way.

Martley: To have a family
member murdered is shocking,

and it will never go away.

Roberts: Sharon Tate had made
it, she was a star,

and this incredible tragedy
of being cut down at 26,

it just was horrific.

And her unborn son never got the chance

to experience life at all.

The very thought of young women
dressed in black,

armed with sharp knives,
entering the homes

of complete strangers
in the middle of the night,

and mercilessly stabbing them to death

is really so horrendous
a thought that it's difficult

to contemplate a thought like that

for more than a couple moments.

Rosemary labianca's 15-year-old son,

frank struthers,

it had such an effect
on him that for many years,

he lived as a hermit in Colorado
in the mountains,

and he would only come down like once

every three months for provisions.

Martley: Every time that word
"manson" comes up,

it brings back these terrible memories.

The infamous criminal cult
leader Charles manson has died.

Manson dead at the age of 83 years old.

California prison officials say

that he died of natural causes on Sunday.

Manson was serving nine
life sentences for murders

carried out by his followers.

Guinn:
Charles manson was born evil.

He spent his life doing horrible things.

There is no excuse for what he became.

Charles manson is literally
one of the worst human beings

that ever walked this planet.

Maybe I should have killed
400 or 500 people.

Then I would have felt better.

I would've felt like I really
offered society something.

♪♪

Not many people know
that Charles manson was a father

who had at least three sons
with three different women.

His first son committed suicide in 1993,

reportedly because he couldn't
live with who his father was.

Charlie's second son
has done everything possible

to disassociate himself from his father.

And manson's youngest
purported son, Michael brunner,

is the baby the killer reportedly had

with manson family follower Mary brunner.

Michael was born with Charlie

and the manson girls there
to help with the delivery.

Some say Charlie used his teeth

to cut through the umbilical cord.

Michael brunner went to court,

seeking control of his father's estate,

after the killer's death in 2017.

Charlie died in prison
without ever admitting his guilt

in the manson family murders.

In one expert's opinion,

his failure to take
responsibility for the deaths

is glaring proof that Charlie manson

was evil till his last breath.

Thanks for watching.

I'm Donnie wahlberg.