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Gacy: To me, clowning was a way
of relaxation for me.
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You regressed into childhood.
You were able to relax.
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And you could be goofy if you wanted to.
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And still, you had the facade
of your face being covered.
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Welcome to "very scary people."
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I'm Donnie wahlberg.
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It was the mid 1970s,
years before the phrase
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"serial killer" had even been coined.
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So no one in Chicago could have imagined
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there was one living among them.
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And that's just how
John Wayne Gacy wanted it.
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By day, he was a beloved
community volunteer,
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a friendly neighbor,
and a successful businessman,
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even a professional clown
who made kids laugh.
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But by night, John Wayne Gacy
became the stuff of nightmares,
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cruising the streets of Chicago
looking for prey.
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The things Gacy did to
his victims were unspeakable.
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What made this seemingly normal guy
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into such a depraved monster?
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And how would police ultimately
discover his evil secret?
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Godzik:
I remember being in bed.
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My mother came into my room and said,
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"do you know where
your brother is?"
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I said, "no."
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And she said,
"he didn't come home."
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It just wasn't something we were used to.
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And immediately, she called the police,
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and they said to my mother,
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"well, what do you want us
to do about it?
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17-year-olds are goofy.
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They all run away.
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But they'll be back."
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That was the mantra.
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"He'll be back.
Don't worry about it."
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Albrecht: The '70s
was a different time.
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Kids were running away all the time.
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In Chicago, thousands upon
thousands of young men
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and women go missing.
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Woman: James Byron haakenson
disappeared
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shortly after moving to Chicago.
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Man: John butkovich, an
18-year-old north side youth,
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who disappeared on July 31st, 1975.
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[Telephone rings]
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Missing persons.
Polito. Can I help you?
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Sullivan: The police departments
were understaffed
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when it came to the juvenile divisions.
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And it was very difficult
to try to track runaways.
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Sneed: Typical in this case,
and in many cases,
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families go to the police department,
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or they call and they say,
"my son's missing,"
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and they say, "well, wait 12 hours.
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Well, you know, he may come home.
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Just let us know."
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My mother kept saying,
"there's something wrong.
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There's something wrong."
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There's no way that
my brother would have left.
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My brother at that time thought
he was on cloud nine
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because he had a girlfriend.
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He got a car that he always wanted.
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He got a job making $5 an hour.
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He'd been working for this
contractor for about a week.
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We were contacting anybody
that would have
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a connection with my brother.
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My mother went over
to the contractor's house.
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And she knocked on the door.
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And she said, "my son has been missing."
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Have you any idea
where he could have gone?
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The contractor said,
"you know, it's really odd
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that he left a message
on my answering machine,"
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and my mother said,
"well, let me hear it."
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He goes, "I erased it already."
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And he said, just like the police said,
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"you know, kids at 17...
They run away all the time.
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You just got to give it time.
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They'll be back."
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But the next day,
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when my mother was driving
around in the neighborhood,
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she found his car parked
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in a parking lot
two miles from our house.
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The car was unlocked,
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and inside the car was his wallet.
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There's no way that my brother
would have left
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without taking his car,
his driver's license.
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She knew that there was something wrong
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because this was his pride and joy...
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This car that he just got.
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This is so out of character.
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This is not your brother.
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Duke: What no one knew
at the time
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was that a lot of these kids
were not runaways.
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They'd been abducted,
and all by the same man.
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He was on the prowl
to find people to have sex with.
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Cahill:
He liked young men 14 to 20,
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short, fit, but not muscular.
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And he'd find himself
cruising the streets
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where the young hustlers were.
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And he'd pick them up.
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Pull to the corner, roll down
the window, and just say,
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"hey, kid, you want to go get a drink?
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Want to get a beer?
Want some work?"
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You know, "come on. Get in.
Let's go for a ride."
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And he'd find a vulnerable child
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who would be susceptible
to this kind of sympathy.
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Duke: After taking the kid
to his home,
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he would subdue them with a trick.
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He would trick his victims
into handcuffs.
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Amirante: He would show them
a magic trick,
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and he would put handcuffs on himself.
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And then he'd go around, turn around,
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and take the handcuffs off.
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Presto-change-o.
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He would be spinning the handcuffs
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around on his fingertip.
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Now the victim is fascinated.
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"How did you do that?"
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And he goes, "I'll show you.
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Put your hands out."
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So, in other words, his victims
allowed him to put handcuffs on.
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And once you're in handcuffs,
you can't fight back.
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Hachmeister: Then he says,
"I can't get out of these things.
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What's the trick?"
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And he pulls out a key...
A handcuff key...
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And he says, "the trick is
you got to have the key."
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[Tires screech]
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Wilkinson:
He had a second manner,
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which I would guess he employed
when he was growing frustrated
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and he couldn't find a kid
who was vulnerable,
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which is that he would pretend
to be a cop.
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His big, black oldsmobile
that he tricked out
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to make it look like a police car.
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[Tires screech]
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He'd wear a leather jacket,
a leather bomber-type jacket.
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So he could look as if
he was an undercover cop.
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Wilkinson: And he'd say,
"I'm a cop. Get in the car."
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And he'd put handcuffs on
the kid, or something like that.
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Sort of scare them,
but then say, "don't worry.
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Everything's gonna be okay."
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Sneed: And I think
he was getting very confident
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that he could do whatever he wanted to do
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and was gonna get away with it.
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Cahill:
Once he had them handcuffed,
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he would do painful sexual things to...
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To them through...
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...awful tortures.
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He would drown them
in the bathtub, pull them out.
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He would burn them with his cigarillos.
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He would show them tricks...
Clown tricks,
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magic tricks, things he had learned.
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Only they turned out to be deadly things
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that ended their lives.
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Rignall: Shortly after I got
in the car with him,
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he placed a rag over my face.
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He floats in and out of consciousness,
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and finally begins to plead to be killed
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because what he's going through
is so awful.
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He had it down to a science.
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Sneed: 1970s Chicago...
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...young men were going missing.
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[Telephone rings]
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Cahill: And for the most part,
they've run away.
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And you're a police officer...
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You don't really
look into that too deeply.
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The Chicago police department
was inundated.
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Wilkinson:
People knew in Chicago
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that boys were disappearing.
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But of course, if you have
one boy disappear
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and a week goes by
and another disappears,
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it takes a long time
before a pattern emerges.
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But nobody in Chicago knows
that the explanation
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for the disappearance of all these boys
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is that a serial killer
is operating in these haunts.
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Sneed: This guy...
His name was Jeff rignall.
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Walking outside a bar one night...
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...when a guy in a black
oldsmobile picked him up,
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asked if he wanted to share a joint.
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He was a clean-cut-looking man.
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And I got in the car with him.
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And shortly after
I got in the car with him,
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he placed a rag over my face,
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of which turned out to be chloroform...
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...and proceeded
to have a lengthy drive.
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Every time I would come to,
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the rag would go back over my face.
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And I remember him carrying me
into his house.
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The boy wakes up in a man's house.
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Of course, he must not have had
any idea where he was.
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But he's being tortured by this man
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who's just doing
unspeakable things to him.
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He did express he appeared
to become almost a monster.
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His face changed.
His eyes changed.
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And he became a completely
unrecognizable being.
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Wilkinson: He floats in and out
of consciousness
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and finally begins to plead to be killed
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because what he's going through
is so awful.
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Sneed: And then for some
bizarre reason... who knows?
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The man put him back in the car
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and drove him to a park,
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did not kill him, dumped him off.
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That's the last thing I remember
until I was... found myself,
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about 5:00, 5:30 in the morning
on the steps
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right by Lincoln park,
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half dressed, my face completely burned.
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He's bleeding from his backside,
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and he's got burns on his face
from the chloroform.
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Sneed: The guy gets to
his girlfriend's house.
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She takes him to a hospital.
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He goes to the cops,
and the cops don't believe him.
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So now he's determined to find
this man that did this to him.
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Rignall: What I did, since
the police took the matter
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very, very lightly...
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I rented a car and sat
where I thought I was,
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approximately,
waiting for his car to come by,
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waiting for a very distinct car...
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A black four-door sedan
with the license plates pdm42.
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So I just... took me about
a week for that car to pass.
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And I just followed it to the house.
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Sneed: It was just a regular,
old, ranch-style house,
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a very nondescript kind of house.
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Jeff rignall reported
the address to the police.
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He then goes to the police and says,
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"this is the man who assaulted me,"
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but the police don't bring
charges because they think
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we have a somewhat established
citizen in our community.
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The story just doesn't seem
to square with the image
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that we have in our community
of this man.
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Here was a guy who was respected
in his neighborhood.
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Everybody knew John Wayne Gacy.
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Sullivan:
He was in politics.
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He was involved in bowling leagues,
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neighborhood parties
for the 4th of July...
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Themed parties...
Hawaiian, Italian festival,
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sometimes 400 people at the parties...
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Important people.
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Wilkinson: He had a contracting
company called p.D.M...
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Painting, decorating, and maintenance.
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If John was walking down lasalle street
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and the mayor was walking the other way,
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the mayor would say hi to John.
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Hachmeister: He had his fingers
in everything.
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And everyone thought he was great.
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Sullivan: And he did a lot
of functions for charity
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that involved
him dressing up as the clown.
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He loved doing that.
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Broderick:
He was actually a real clown...
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...who did tricks
for little kids.
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And he was in a union and all that.
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He got kids laughing.
He had little hand puppets.
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He had a squeaky voice
that would talk to the children,
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and they would talk back.
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Gacy: Pogo the clown
was the clowning that I did
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for charity hospital work
for the Democratic party.
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"Pogo" comes from being Polish
and on the go all the time.
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So it's po-go.
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Broderick: He got pleasure
out of performing for people,
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particularly little kids, in hospitals.
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He'd see this kid who's got leukemia
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and is, you know, diagnosed incurable.
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He'd do his clown act
and cry on their behalf.
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Cahill: He became the director
of the Polish day parade.
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That, in Chicago, is a big deal.
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On one of them, he met rosalynn Carter,
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the wife of the president
of the United States.
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So it's really no wonder
with a reputation like that,
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that after this guy Jeff rignall
went to the police,
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that even though they did charge Gacy,
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the charge went nowhere.
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Hachmeister:
Jeff rignall reported this
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to the Chicago police department,
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and Jeff really didn't have
that much information.
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So they couldn't do too much with it.
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He turned out to be an individual
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that the police didn't believe.
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Duke: But what no one knew
at the time,
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and would never have guessed,
is that Jeff rignall
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was really the luckiest
of all of Gacy's victims
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because Gacy never showed him
his scariest trick.
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The final trick was the rope trick.
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Broderick: The rope trick
was a thing that he developed.
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Put the rope around the kid's neck,
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and he would use, like,
the handle for a hammer
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or any kind of strong piece
of wood that he had handy...
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...and then twist it,
twist it, twist it.
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He had arranged it in such a way
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it was lodged against the kid's back.
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The more he struggled,
the tighter it got.
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Hachmeister: And he got so good
at this rope trick.
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At every half turn,
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the body would start reacting
a little bit differently,
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and he knew exactly
what he could do or not do
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with the body at that point.
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So he had it down to a science.
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Pretty eerie and pretty creepy.
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We got a report of a missing person.
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Finder: There was something
apparently evil
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that had happened.
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I think everybody kind of agreed that
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there was more to this than a runaway,
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and it just started building up.
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♪♪
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Nobody knew that Gacy found a niche
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in which he was operating.
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Hachmeister: I was assigned
to the detective unit.
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We got a report of a missing person...
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Robert piest.
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Rob piest was a 15-year-old kid
that was active in high school,
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a good kid with a loving family.
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He was working at a pharmacy
called the nisson pharmacy
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in des plaines.
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Albrecht: He worked
part-time as a stock boy,
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and his one desire was to buy a car
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when he was 16 and able to drive.
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Hachmeister: The night that
Rob piest went missing,
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his mom had come to pick him up
at the end of his shift.
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It was his mom's birthday
that particular day.
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They were gonna go home
and celebrate her birthday.
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She was waiting outside
in the parking lot.
340
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Rob went out there and said,
"I'll be back in a few minutes.
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I just want to talk to this guy
about a job."
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She said, "no problem.
See you in a few."
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There was a contractor in the store.
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He was there doing an estimate
for the owners of the pharmacy.
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Hachmeister: This contractor
had been hiring young people,
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and he paid them pretty well.
347
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When he heard that he could
maybe make $5 an hour,
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to basically double what he was making,
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he was excited and wanted
to approach him for a job.
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Cahill: And that's the last
anyone saw of Rob piest.
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He was not the kind of young man
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that one would expect
to run away or just go missing.
353
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So there was something apparently evil
354
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that had happened.
355
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The owner of the pharmacy
had identified that contractor
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as John Wayne Gacy.
357
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The detectives went out to
his home that following morning
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and spoke to Gacy,
359
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in hopes that he had seen the young boy.
360
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He denied any involvement
or any contact with Rob piest.
361
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Hachmeister: We really had
nothing big to go on.
362
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All we had as far as evidence
was Rob piest going out
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to talk to John Gacy
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and never being seen again.
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Hachmeister:
Sometime after that,
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a check was made on Gacy.
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Finder: There was no Internet
at the time,
368
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so it took a little while
to get court records
369
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and to dispatch leads
to local police departments
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to find out more about him.
371
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♪♪
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John Gacy was married
to a very pretty young lady.
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He had two children with her,
a boy and a girl.
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Jacobson:
He said that he liked playing
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kind of a fatherly role.
376
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And he insisted that he was
a very warm and loving father.
377
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Man:
Were you strict with them?
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No, I don't believe in hitting children.
379
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I don't believe in
spoiling a child, either.
380
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He was extremely successful.
381
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His wife, marlynn's, father
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had three Kentucky fried chicken stands,
383
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and John was hired on
to manage all three stands.
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In Waterloo, John joined
the junior chamber of commerce.
385
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He did a lot of work for the jcs.
386
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He was the chaplain for a while.
387
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If you serve other people,
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it'll come back to serve you, you know?
389
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I've always believed that way
with generosity.
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00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:18,669
There was some evidence
during those years
391
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that John was gonna be
a normal suburban guy.
392
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Investigators in Chicago
discovered that John Wayne Gacy
393
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had charges in Iowa from 10 years ago
394
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stemming from his first marriage.
395
00:22:34,751 --> 00:22:39,331
John Wayne Gacy had
a fairly extensive record...
396
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Minor types of things, basically...
397
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You know, battery, disorderly conduct.
398
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But one conviction was for sodomy,
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and it was learned that it was
performed against a young boy.
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Cahill:
On the day he was convicted,
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his wife filed for divorce,
left him, took his two kids.
402
00:23:02,834 --> 00:23:06,424
He never saw any of them again.
403
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,830
That ended his wonderful life
he was having in Waterloo, Iowa,
404
00:23:09,918 --> 00:23:12,078
because he wound up in a penitentiary.
405
00:23:13,751 --> 00:23:15,711
Jackson: After serving more
than a year in prison,
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John Wayne Gacy moves to Chicago
to start an entirely new life,
407
00:23:20,042 --> 00:23:24,172
and no one knows anything
about his checkered past.
408
00:23:24,250 --> 00:23:26,170
He lives under the radar for years
409
00:23:26,250 --> 00:23:28,000
until Rob piest goes missing.
410
00:23:28,083 --> 00:23:33,333
And then the des plaines police
finally have a suspect.
411
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I think everybody kind of agreed
412
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that there was more to this
than a runaway.
413
00:23:39,125 --> 00:23:42,665
And it just started building up.
414
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It was shortly after that
we got the first search warrant
415
00:23:46,167 --> 00:23:47,667
looking for Rob piest.
416
00:23:47,751 --> 00:23:50,791
We really had the confidence
that we had the right guy,
417
00:23:50,876 --> 00:23:52,956
but to put it together
418
00:23:53,042 --> 00:23:55,672
to where we had
some sort of criminal case,
419
00:23:55,751 --> 00:23:57,831
we had nothing.
420
00:23:59,417 --> 00:24:01,077
The investigators did not know
421
00:24:01,167 --> 00:24:03,377
what they were about to get into.
422
00:24:03,459 --> 00:24:06,829
The hairs on the back
of my head just went up.
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♪♪
424
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Welcome back to
"very scary people."
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After Rob piest disappeared
from his job at nisson pharmacy,
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00:24:23,042 --> 00:24:24,962
detectives learn that John Wayne Gacy
427
00:24:25,042 --> 00:24:27,332
was the last known person to see him.
428
00:24:27,417 --> 00:24:29,667
They also learned that Gacy
had a criminal record
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00:24:29,751 --> 00:24:32,961
for sexually assaulting
another 15-year-old.
430
00:24:33,042 --> 00:24:35,332
Now they were pretty sure
they had their man,
431
00:24:35,417 --> 00:24:36,747
but they still had to find a clue
432
00:24:36,834 --> 00:24:39,674
that tied Gacy
to the boy's disappearance.
433
00:24:39,751 --> 00:24:41,751
And as the investigation continued,
434
00:24:41,834 --> 00:24:45,254
they realized they were dealing
with something, and someone,
435
00:24:45,334 --> 00:24:49,464
far more sinister than
any of them had ever imagined.
436
00:24:53,083 --> 00:24:57,213
The des plaines police did get
a search warrant early on
437
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to search John Wayne Gacy's house.
438
00:25:00,375 --> 00:25:05,125
It was determined that, in fact,
he was restraining,
439
00:25:05,209 --> 00:25:06,919
kidnapping Rob piest,
440
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,920
and that kid possibly was
still being held in his house.
441
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,130
During that search warrant,
a variety of items
442
00:25:15,209 --> 00:25:19,829
were found in his house...
Some pornography, some sex toys,
443
00:25:19,918 --> 00:25:23,918
and they recovered some
driver's licenses of young boys
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00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,130
and some jewelry.
445
00:25:26,209 --> 00:25:29,879
While much evidence was taken
from that residence,
446
00:25:29,959 --> 00:25:32,129
Rob piest was not found.
447
00:25:32,209 --> 00:25:35,249
Of the items that were taken,
and there were many,
448
00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:36,884
two stand out in my mind.
449
00:25:36,959 --> 00:25:39,079
Hachmeister:
Maine west class ring.
450
00:25:39,167 --> 00:25:40,827
Rob piest had gone to Maine west.
451
00:25:40,918 --> 00:25:43,998
So we felt that, "oh, man,
is it even a possibility
452
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that there are two or three
or four other victims?"
453
00:25:47,667 --> 00:25:50,037
So that was just unimaginable in itself.
454
00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:53,325
There was another thing there
that the police came back with,
455
00:25:53,417 --> 00:25:58,457
and that was a partial receipt
found in Gacy's garbage.
456
00:25:58,542 --> 00:26:00,462
Duke: It was a pickup slip
for a roll of film
457
00:26:00,542 --> 00:26:03,422
that was being developed
at the nisson pharmacy.
458
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:07,290
And that was the pharmacy where
Rob piest disappeared from.
459
00:26:07,375 --> 00:26:11,785
♪♪
460
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Sullivan: A day or so after
the first search warrant,
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I asked the police department
if they would put
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a 24-hour surveillance on Gacy
with the hopes that, in fact,
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he would go back to wherever Rob was now.
464
00:26:29,125 --> 00:26:32,995
Two 12-hour shifts, two guys...
465
00:26:33,083 --> 00:26:35,793
They watched him around the clock.
466
00:26:35,876 --> 00:26:37,166
Hachmeister:
My partner and I...
467
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:39,830
Really, we had no exact direction
468
00:26:39,918 --> 00:26:41,378
where to go with this case,
469
00:26:41,459 --> 00:26:45,709
other than the fact
that we were not to lose him.
470
00:26:45,792 --> 00:26:48,882
Albrecht: I decided pretty much
that the first night that we were out,
471
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that if Gacy went into a public place,
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00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,290
Dave and I would go in and follow him.
473
00:26:53,375 --> 00:26:55,625
Hachmeister: We didn't want to
leave him alone for one minute.
474
00:26:55,709 --> 00:26:59,209
Whatever it took,
we were to stay with him.
475
00:26:59,292 --> 00:27:03,382
The second night that Mike and I
were on the surveillance,
476
00:27:03,459 --> 00:27:05,289
Gacy was out late at night.
477
00:27:05,375 --> 00:27:08,035
He goes over to a restaurant.
He sits at a table.
478
00:27:08,125 --> 00:27:09,625
He's all by himself.
479
00:27:09,709 --> 00:27:12,959
And we sit at a table
a couple tables away from him.
480
00:27:13,042 --> 00:27:15,252
And pretty soon, he says, "hey, guys,
481
00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:16,504
as long as you're gonna follow me,
482
00:27:16,584 --> 00:27:17,884
why don't you just join me?"
483
00:27:17,959 --> 00:27:20,879
So Mike and I joined him.
484
00:27:20,959 --> 00:27:24,329
And we developed a bit of a relationship.
485
00:27:28,417 --> 00:27:30,577
Amirante: But life is
a series of curve balls,
486
00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:33,327
and this was a huge curve that came at me
487
00:27:33,417 --> 00:27:35,037
for my first time at bat.
488
00:27:35,125 --> 00:27:37,825
I had planned to be this wealthy,
489
00:27:37,918 --> 00:27:39,578
successful personal-injury lawyer.
490
00:27:39,667 --> 00:27:43,287
I'm sitting in my new office
that I had just opened up,
491
00:27:43,375 --> 00:27:45,575
trying to figure out
what I was gonna put on my wall.
492
00:27:45,667 --> 00:27:46,747
And the phone rings.
493
00:27:46,834 --> 00:27:48,584
[Telephone rings]
494
00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,957
"Hey, Sam, how you doing?"
I said, "how you doing, John?"
495
00:27:51,042 --> 00:27:52,462
He was the kind of guy...
"oh, yeah, John Gacy?
496
00:27:52,542 --> 00:27:53,712
I know John Gacy."
497
00:27:53,792 --> 00:27:55,042
So it was like that.
498
00:27:55,125 --> 00:27:57,955
A neighbor, a good brother,
a good cousin,
499
00:27:58,042 --> 00:27:59,832
somebody who's helpful all the time...
500
00:27:59,918 --> 00:28:01,878
I mean, that's the reputation he had.
501
00:28:01,959 --> 00:28:03,169
He said,
"can you do me a favor?"
502
00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:04,670
"Sure, John. No problem.
What do you need?"
503
00:28:04,751 --> 00:28:06,291
He said, "could you please find out
504
00:28:06,375 --> 00:28:08,035
why the des plaines police
are tailing me?
505
00:28:08,125 --> 00:28:10,575
They're all over me.
They're ruining my business."
506
00:28:10,667 --> 00:28:14,207
I was shocked at that and very curious
507
00:28:14,292 --> 00:28:16,542
as to know why they were tailing him.
508
00:28:16,626 --> 00:28:18,666
I said, "John, I know
those police officers.
509
00:28:18,751 --> 00:28:21,171
I know the chief over there.
I'll ask him.
510
00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:24,000
I'll find out what's going on."
511
00:28:24,083 --> 00:28:26,043
Gacy was not a scary person.
512
00:28:26,125 --> 00:28:27,535
There was no reason to believe
513
00:28:27,626 --> 00:28:30,626
he would have done
anything criminal or wrong.
514
00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:32,289
And I was just gonna help him out.
515
00:28:32,375 --> 00:28:36,535
He needed a favor,
and that's what I was gonna do.
516
00:28:36,626 --> 00:28:38,246
[Laughing]
It turned out to be
517
00:28:38,334 --> 00:28:41,214
my first case in private practice.
518
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:46,575
Albrecht:
Gacy walked into the room,
519
00:28:46,667 --> 00:28:48,127
people just gravitated towards him.
520
00:28:48,209 --> 00:28:51,079
I mean, he was very popular,
very well-liked,
521
00:28:51,167 --> 00:28:52,577
and very well-respected.
522
00:28:52,667 --> 00:28:54,037
Hachmeister:
Everyone that they talked to
523
00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:56,415
just swore up and down that Gacy was,
524
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,540
like, the best guy that they ever knew.
525
00:28:58,626 --> 00:29:02,376
He was, like, the best neighbor,
the best coworker,
526
00:29:02,459 --> 00:29:04,039
just a great guy.
527
00:29:04,125 --> 00:29:07,875
And that's the way he came
across to myself and my partner.
528
00:29:07,959 --> 00:29:11,039
He was a lot of fun to be with.
529
00:29:11,125 --> 00:29:16,075
His conversations were funny
and fun and carefree.
530
00:29:16,167 --> 00:29:20,037
We had to, on many occasions,
remind each other,
531
00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:22,125
if one was getting
a little too comfortable,
532
00:29:22,209 --> 00:29:23,709
you know, the other would remind him,
533
00:29:23,792 --> 00:29:26,132
"hey, it's looking like
maybe this guy's involved
534
00:29:26,209 --> 00:29:28,329
with maybe a homicide here or a couple.
535
00:29:28,417 --> 00:29:30,127
So let's try to stay sharp.
536
00:29:30,209 --> 00:29:33,749
Let's not fall into
any bad habits here."
537
00:29:33,834 --> 00:29:36,794
This one particular time,
we followed him around,
538
00:29:36,876 --> 00:29:39,916
and he goes into the all-night
restaurant for breakfast.
539
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,960
So we're all sitting around
a table just discussing
540
00:29:42,042 --> 00:29:45,132
all kinds of different things...
Vacations and you name it.
541
00:29:45,209 --> 00:29:49,879
And he starts bringing up
his being a registered clown.
542
00:29:49,959 --> 00:29:51,379
And he said, "I got to tell you, Dave",
543
00:29:51,459 --> 00:29:54,379
this registered-clown thing
is pretty cool.
544
00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:57,749
As a matter of fact,
I can go on a parade route
545
00:29:57,834 --> 00:30:02,464
and I'd be in my clown outfit,
and if I see a nice-looking gal,
546
00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:04,172
I can go up right alongside
of her, sit down,
547
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:06,420
"put my arm around her,
and get a little feel."
548
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,920
He says, "that's what clowns
can get away with.
549
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,830
In fact, clowns can get away
with murder."
550
00:30:14,918 --> 00:30:18,578
And he just stared me in the eye
and said that to me.
551
00:30:18,667 --> 00:30:19,917
I tried to remain cool.
552
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,170
You know, I tried to just let it
go over my head,
553
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:26,630
but, man, the hairs on the back
of my head just went up.
554
00:30:26,709 --> 00:30:28,249
Amirante:
Police were tailing him,
555
00:30:28,334 --> 00:30:29,924
and they certainly knew a lot
more than I knew about it.
556
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,960
I came in totally cold.
557
00:30:32,042 --> 00:30:36,672
And they sincerely believed that
he had kidnapped Robbie piest.
558
00:30:36,751 --> 00:30:38,791
And I said, "oh, come on.
He didn't do that."
559
00:30:38,876 --> 00:30:40,996
But, of course, they had already
investigated his background.
560
00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:42,923
They knew about the sodomy conviction.
561
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,040
We were on top of something
that just was too much
562
00:30:48,125 --> 00:30:51,665
to even believe by ourselves.
563
00:30:51,751 --> 00:30:53,291
Amirante:
John and I continued to meet,
564
00:30:53,375 --> 00:30:56,495
and I would ask him over
and over again what happened.
565
00:30:56,584 --> 00:30:58,584
"Did you do this?
Did this happen?"
566
00:30:58,667 --> 00:31:02,877
Vehemently, unequivocally denied.
567
00:31:04,709 --> 00:31:07,079
We decided to file a lawsuit
568
00:31:07,167 --> 00:31:09,207
against the des plaines police department
569
00:31:09,292 --> 00:31:12,292
in the federal court
to stop them, restrain them
570
00:31:12,375 --> 00:31:14,705
from violating our client's civil rights
571
00:31:14,792 --> 00:31:17,042
by tailing him for no reason at all.
572
00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:20,825
We were concerned that if
there was a federal lawsuit
573
00:31:20,918 --> 00:31:24,958
and an order against us,
that our case would be over.
574
00:31:25,042 --> 00:31:28,962
Our investigation
could really go nowhere else.
575
00:31:30,876 --> 00:31:34,666
He had ended up coming back
and telling us,
576
00:31:34,751 --> 00:31:38,251
"man, I smell
dead bodies in there."
577
00:31:38,334 --> 00:31:41,294
And I said, "boys, we might be dealing
578
00:31:41,375 --> 00:31:44,075
with a lot more than we think."
579
00:31:44,167 --> 00:31:48,167
♪♪
580
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,880
♪♪
581
00:31:53,959 --> 00:31:57,169
Hachmeister: Following the
execution of that search warrant,
582
00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:01,630
police reviewed everything
that they recovered.
583
00:32:01,709 --> 00:32:06,459
Sullivan: Now we had so much
literal junk from Gacy's house.
584
00:32:06,542 --> 00:32:11,582
Junk turned out to be evidence
that we had to go through.
585
00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:17,577
Things didn't move as fast back
then to try to identify jewelry
586
00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:22,287
or a license
or any of those kind of things.
587
00:32:22,375 --> 00:32:25,075
We had in there, among other things,
588
00:32:25,167 --> 00:32:30,627
a class ring that had initials on it.
589
00:32:30,709 --> 00:32:34,669
Finder: The class ring that did
not bear Gacy's initials
590
00:32:34,751 --> 00:32:36,251
said "js."
591
00:32:36,334 --> 00:32:38,464
So, what was Gacy doing with that?
592
00:32:39,626 --> 00:32:40,916
Hachmeister:
They ran that ring down,
593
00:32:41,042 --> 00:32:43,252
and they found out
that that ring came back
594
00:32:43,334 --> 00:32:46,004
to a young boy by the name of John szyc.
595
00:32:47,751 --> 00:32:50,791
John szyc had been reported missing,
596
00:32:50,876 --> 00:32:53,496
and he was an ex-employee of Gacy's.
597
00:32:53,584 --> 00:32:56,214
They determined that some of
these driver's licenses
598
00:32:56,292 --> 00:33:00,502
that were found in Gacy's house
were from young boys
599
00:33:00,584 --> 00:33:02,674
that had been reported missing.
600
00:33:04,626 --> 00:33:08,786
Sullivan: There was way too much
that came back
601
00:33:08,876 --> 00:33:10,826
on the first search warrant
602
00:33:10,918 --> 00:33:14,708
for us to think that we were
just looking for Rob piest.
603
00:33:14,792 --> 00:33:18,252
And I said, "boys, we might be dealing
604
00:33:18,334 --> 00:33:21,384
with a lot more than we think."
605
00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:26,327
And we had no idea
where it was gonna end.
606
00:33:28,542 --> 00:33:32,712
Quite naturally, some of
the first paths that we took
607
00:33:32,792 --> 00:33:36,082
were to try to interview some of
the people that worked for Gacy.
608
00:33:36,167 --> 00:33:39,747
And one of the key things
that they found out
609
00:33:39,834 --> 00:33:42,674
was that he had instructed
these employees
610
00:33:42,751 --> 00:33:46,711
to go into his crawl space
and dig trenches.
611
00:33:46,792 --> 00:33:50,132
And he claimed it was because
they had a sewage issue
612
00:33:50,209 --> 00:33:52,709
and that he was trying
to resolve that problem.
613
00:33:52,792 --> 00:33:54,752
And occasionally,
the smell would come back up,
614
00:33:54,834 --> 00:33:56,714
so he'd instruct them
to go in there with lime
615
00:33:56,792 --> 00:33:58,132
and spread lime down there,
616
00:33:58,209 --> 00:34:00,459
which would cover up
that smell for a while.
617
00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:04,383
Sullivan: They certainly were
helpful in telling us
618
00:34:04,459 --> 00:34:08,959
that we really probably wanted
to get down to the crawl space.
619
00:34:10,918 --> 00:34:12,918
Duke: Then, one really cold
Chicago night,
620
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,500
Gacy actually invited the
surveillance team into his home.
621
00:34:17,584 --> 00:34:20,044
Sullivan: Gacy was trying
to make it seem
622
00:34:20,125 --> 00:34:22,205
as if he was friends with the police
623
00:34:22,292 --> 00:34:23,752
and that there was no reason
624
00:34:23,834 --> 00:34:26,924
that they should be surveilling him.
625
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,420
Cahill:
They went to Gacy's house.
626
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:32,250
Gacy invited them in,
offered them a drink.
627
00:34:32,334 --> 00:34:34,834
Finder: Of course, the police
officers were delighted
628
00:34:34,918 --> 00:34:36,498
not only to go into a warmer place,
629
00:34:36,584 --> 00:34:40,504
but to go into the house
where Gacy lived.
630
00:34:40,584 --> 00:34:42,214
Cahill:
They talked with him.
631
00:34:42,292 --> 00:34:45,252
John would talk.
John will talk your ear off.
632
00:34:45,334 --> 00:34:51,634
And one officer said he wanted
to go off to the bathroom.
633
00:34:51,709 --> 00:34:53,999
Albrecht: He excused himself
to go to the bathroom,
634
00:34:54,083 --> 00:34:56,043
which is in the older part of the house.
635
00:34:56,125 --> 00:34:58,995
When he was in the bathroom,
the heat kicked on,
636
00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:03,383
and this odor came up
from the heat vents.
637
00:35:03,459 --> 00:35:04,879
Hachmeister:
And he equated it to the smell
638
00:35:04,959 --> 00:35:07,209
that he would smell at the morgue.
639
00:35:07,292 --> 00:35:11,332
Albrecht: If you've ever been
to a morgue, around a dead body,
640
00:35:11,417 --> 00:35:14,997
it's an odor that you will never forget.
641
00:35:15,083 --> 00:35:18,583
Sullivan: He had ended up
coming back and telling us,
642
00:35:18,667 --> 00:35:22,167
"man, I smelled
dead bodies in there."
643
00:35:23,918 --> 00:35:27,788
We now were coming to
the absolute conclusion
644
00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:30,746
that this guy had to be stopped.
645
00:35:31,876 --> 00:35:33,786
We needed to get a second search warrant
646
00:35:33,876 --> 00:35:36,076
to get back into Gacy's house.
647
00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:37,997
You can't just start ripping apart
648
00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:40,633
someone's crawl space
because of a bad odor.
649
00:35:40,709 --> 00:35:43,459
You need judicial approval,
so you have to get a warrant.
650
00:35:43,542 --> 00:35:46,042
The problem with getting
a warrant is you have to connect
651
00:35:46,125 --> 00:35:50,785
John Wayne Gacy to Rob piest
on the night he disappeared.
652
00:35:54,834 --> 00:35:56,544
Amirante: He called me and said,
"it's very, very important
653
00:35:56,626 --> 00:35:57,876
I talk to you."
654
00:35:57,959 --> 00:35:59,419
And I didn't know what to think.
655
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:01,130
I had a zillion things
going through my head, like,
656
00:36:01,209 --> 00:36:02,999
"oh, my god.
What am I gonna do?"
657
00:36:03,083 --> 00:36:05,083
Nobody could have predicted this.
658
00:36:05,167 --> 00:36:09,957
This is more than people would
have ever believed possible.
659
00:36:16,667 --> 00:36:18,877
Duke: As the evidence was
building up against Gacy,
660
00:36:18,959 --> 00:36:21,959
it became clear that he was
starting to feel the heat.
661
00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:24,752
Hachmeister: We really started to
see his demeanor change quite a bit,
662
00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:28,464
say, five or six days
into the investigation.
663
00:36:28,542 --> 00:36:30,922
Typically, early on,
he would come out of his house,
664
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,460
and he'd say, "hey, I'm going to
check on a job, this and this,"
665
00:36:33,542 --> 00:36:35,752
and he'd take off, and we'd follow him.
666
00:36:35,834 --> 00:36:38,384
But now he seems to
not be telling us that,
667
00:36:38,459 --> 00:36:41,749
and on the way to job sites,
actually trying to lose us,
668
00:36:41,834 --> 00:36:44,084
driving like a mad man through the city.
669
00:36:45,751 --> 00:36:50,581
He was driving 75, 80 miles an
hour through a residential area.
670
00:36:50,667 --> 00:36:52,497
Hachmeister: Many times,
we had to cut him off
671
00:36:52,584 --> 00:36:53,924
and pull him out of the car
672
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,330
and shake him around
a little bit and say,
673
00:36:55,417 --> 00:36:56,917
"Gacy, you know,
you're gonna hurt somebody.
674
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,040
You're driving like a mad man.
You got to slow it down.
675
00:36:59,125 --> 00:37:01,325
You know, we don't want to
arrest you on this."
676
00:37:04,292 --> 00:37:06,292
Amirante: Gacy called me and
said, "it's very, very important
677
00:37:06,375 --> 00:37:07,285
I talk to you.
678
00:37:07,375 --> 00:37:09,285
I have to tell you something."
679
00:37:09,375 --> 00:37:12,705
I'm like, "okay, John.
It better be important."
680
00:37:12,792 --> 00:37:14,502
It better be new
because you're telling me
681
00:37:14,584 --> 00:37:16,424
the same old crap all the time.
682
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,250
I don't want to hear it."
"No, it's something new.
683
00:37:18,334 --> 00:37:20,714
It's something important
I have to talk to you about."
684
00:37:22,167 --> 00:37:26,627
He comes into the office,
and I'm getting pissed
685
00:37:26,709 --> 00:37:28,329
because he's telling me
the same old stuff
686
00:37:28,417 --> 00:37:29,417
he had been telling me.
687
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:31,790
I lost it.
I lost it.
688
00:37:31,876 --> 00:37:34,876
And I start pounding my hand
on the table,
689
00:37:34,959 --> 00:37:36,039
pounding it really hard.
690
00:37:36,125 --> 00:37:38,455
I said, "John, tell me the truth.
691
00:37:38,542 --> 00:37:39,632
It's bull [bleep].
692
00:37:39,709 --> 00:37:41,379
I don't want to hear it
anymore."
693
00:37:41,459 --> 00:37:45,459
He goes, "okay, do you have
anything to drink around here?"
694
00:37:45,542 --> 00:37:47,542
One of my investigators
in the public defender's office
695
00:37:47,626 --> 00:37:49,416
happened to give me
a bottle of v.0.
696
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,290
That day as a Christmas gift.
697
00:37:52,375 --> 00:37:54,075
And I had it in my car.
698
00:37:54,167 --> 00:37:57,287
I ran out to the car,
and I go in with the bottle.
699
00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:59,415
Gacy says, "fill it up."
700
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:00,670
We all toasted.
701
00:38:00,751 --> 00:38:02,211
Gacy... glug, glug, glug,
glug... drank it.
702
00:38:02,292 --> 00:38:04,042
"Fill it up again."
703
00:38:04,125 --> 00:38:05,875
Poured another little thing.
704
00:38:05,959 --> 00:38:07,999
We each had a shot.
Glug, glug, glug, glug.
705
00:38:08,083 --> 00:38:10,253
And he looks at me, and he says,
706
00:38:10,334 --> 00:38:14,134
"I'm gonna tell you the whole
story from the beginning.
707
00:38:14,209 --> 00:38:16,629
I've been a judge, jury, and executioner
708
00:38:16,709 --> 00:38:18,129
of many, many people.
709
00:38:18,209 --> 00:38:21,579
Now I want to be my own judge,
jury, and executioner."
710
00:38:21,667 --> 00:38:23,287
My heart started pounding,
711
00:38:23,375 --> 00:38:25,075
like, ba-bum, ba-bum.
712
00:38:25,167 --> 00:38:27,207
"What are you talking about,
John?"
713
00:38:27,292 --> 00:38:29,382
And he goes, "I don't want you
to interfere.
714
00:38:29,459 --> 00:38:32,959
I just want you to listen
to what I have to say."
715
00:38:33,042 --> 00:38:36,332
Meanwhile, across town,
cops had a big breakthrough.
716
00:38:36,417 --> 00:38:39,037
They finally figured out that
that photo receipt
717
00:38:39,125 --> 00:38:41,125
they found in Gacy's garbage
718
00:38:41,209 --> 00:38:43,709
belonged to a woman named Kim byers,
719
00:38:43,792 --> 00:38:46,212
and she happened to be
a coworker of Rob piest
720
00:38:46,292 --> 00:38:48,252
at nisson pharmacy.
721
00:38:48,334 --> 00:38:51,044
And the story behind that was Kim byers
722
00:38:51,125 --> 00:38:52,745
was gonna go out and take a break,
723
00:38:52,834 --> 00:38:57,424
and she asked Rob
if she could borrow his coat.
724
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:59,380
And just before she did that,
725
00:38:59,459 --> 00:39:02,129
she processed a roll of film
and took the film receipt
726
00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:05,919
and put it in the jacket
of Rob piest's coat.
727
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,750
Sullivan: Rob eventually
borrowed his coat back.
728
00:39:09,834 --> 00:39:11,254
Jackson:
How would that photo receipt
729
00:39:11,334 --> 00:39:13,714
that was in Rob piest's jacket pocket
730
00:39:13,792 --> 00:39:16,752
have ended up in Gacy's house,
731
00:39:16,834 --> 00:39:20,674
unless the two of them
crossed paths that night?
732
00:39:20,751 --> 00:39:24,291
So now police have the proof
and the evidence they need
733
00:39:24,375 --> 00:39:27,625
to get that search warrant
to go back into Gacy's house
734
00:39:27,709 --> 00:39:29,879
to examine that crawl space.
735
00:39:31,709 --> 00:39:35,249
Amirante: So maybe six hours,
he talked continuously,
736
00:39:35,334 --> 00:39:37,424
describing every murder.
737
00:39:39,751 --> 00:39:44,001
♪♪
738
00:39:44,083 --> 00:39:45,633
He remembered every single detail
739
00:39:45,709 --> 00:39:47,789
about every single murder.
740
00:39:51,417 --> 00:39:54,207
♪♪
741
00:39:54,292 --> 00:39:56,292
It was getting daylight.
742
00:39:56,375 --> 00:39:58,825
He finished his talking.
743
00:39:58,918 --> 00:39:59,998
His head just dropped.
744
00:40:00,083 --> 00:40:02,173
[Chuckles]
He started snoring.
745
00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:05,880
So now I'm sitting there
watching Gacy sleep.
746
00:40:05,959 --> 00:40:08,539
All of a sudden, he sat up
perfectly straight
747
00:40:08,626 --> 00:40:10,626
and looked at me, but, like,
748
00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:13,879
looked right through me,
like I wasn't even there.
749
00:40:13,959 --> 00:40:18,129
And I'm going, "John? John?
John, you awake?"
750
00:40:18,209 --> 00:40:21,629
He stands up,
751
00:40:21,709 --> 00:40:23,879
and he starts walking toward me.
752
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,380
I always have a baseball bat around.
753
00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:30,669
I went over, and I picked up this bat.
754
00:40:30,751 --> 00:40:34,171
And I'm walking backwards.
755
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:37,710
And he sat down,
and he started snoring again.
756
00:40:37,792 --> 00:40:39,132
And I didn't know what to think.
757
00:40:39,209 --> 00:40:40,669
I had a zillion things
going through my head,
758
00:40:40,751 --> 00:40:42,461
like, "oh, my god.
What am I gonna do?"
759
00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:44,502
It was frightening.
760
00:40:44,584 --> 00:40:47,214
This guy just told us
he killed all these people.
761
00:40:47,292 --> 00:40:48,502
He's crazy.
762
00:40:48,584 --> 00:40:50,714
He's crazy, and the police are out there.
763
00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:52,252
What are we gonna do now?
764
00:40:52,334 --> 00:40:53,674
And I was in a panic.
765
00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:58,671
♪♪
766
00:40:58,751 --> 00:41:01,041
Gacy:
I believe I... I did kill him.
767
00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:03,745
Finder: I had never seen
anything like this before.
768
00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,674
I had never heard anything
like this before.
769
00:41:06,751 --> 00:41:09,501
I had never experienced
anything like this before.
770
00:41:09,584 --> 00:41:12,544
Hachmeister: On our job, we see
a variety of horrific things,
771
00:41:12,626 --> 00:41:14,916
but this was out of the norm.
772
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,670
Man:
Identities unknown,
773
00:41:16,751 --> 00:41:20,831
victims of a man who probably
did not know their names.
774
00:41:20,918 --> 00:41:23,378
Woman:
You see bodies in your sleep.
775
00:41:23,459 --> 00:41:25,539
You see him in your sleep.
776
00:41:25,626 --> 00:41:26,706
It's just too much.
777
00:41:26,792 --> 00:41:28,672
Woman #2:
It was very eerie
778
00:41:28,751 --> 00:41:31,001
'cause you know exactly
what was happening.
779
00:41:31,083 --> 00:41:33,173
Nobody can explain what he did.
780
00:41:34,792 --> 00:41:36,462
Who can explain that?
781
00:41:36,542 --> 00:41:43,632
♪♪
782
00:41:43,709 --> 00:41:45,789
John Wayne Gacy's detailed confession
783
00:41:45,876 --> 00:41:48,416
to a gruesome seven-year killing spree
784
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,790
was almost impossible to believe.
785
00:41:50,876 --> 00:41:52,456
But within 24 hours,
786
00:41:52,542 --> 00:41:55,132
police would learn the truth
for themselves.
787
00:41:55,209 --> 00:41:57,789
The questions on everyone's minds were,
788
00:41:57,876 --> 00:41:59,706
"how did Gacy become so evil?
789
00:41:59,792 --> 00:42:01,172
And how did he get away with killing
790
00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:03,670
so many people for so long?"
791
00:42:03,751 --> 00:42:05,041
The shocking conclusion
792
00:42:05,125 --> 00:42:09,075
of "John Wayne Gacy:
Evil secret" next.
793
00:42:09,167 --> 00:42:10,537
I'm Donnie wahlberg.
794
00:42:10,626 --> 00:42:12,706
Thanks for watching.
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