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I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 4 00:00:52,316 --> 00:00:56,546 He was one of the most notorious Mafia dons in American history. 5 00:00:56,615 --> 00:00:58,905 Born in the Bronx, raised in Brooklyn, 6 00:00:58,915 --> 00:01:01,705 John Gotti clawed his way to the top of the organization 7 00:01:01,714 --> 00:01:04,014 by any means necessary. 8 00:01:04,015 --> 00:01:07,105 Case in point ... the 1985 murder of Mafia boss 9 00:01:07,115 --> 00:01:10,205 Paul Castellano so that Gotti could take over 10 00:01:10,215 --> 00:01:13,015 the powerful Gambino crime family. 11 00:01:13,115 --> 00:01:15,215 Law enforcement and even other goodfellas 12 00:01:15,315 --> 00:01:18,315 considered Gotti dangerous and unpredictable. 13 00:01:18,414 --> 00:01:21,414 And for many years, he seemed unstoppable, 14 00:01:21,514 --> 00:01:26,054 until a secret FBI operation finally ended Gotti's reign. 15 00:01:26,114 --> 00:01:29,014 This is part 2 of "John Gotti." 16 00:01:29,014 --> 00:01:42,314 ♪♪ 17 00:01:42,314 --> 00:01:47,054 Louis DiBono was an associate of the crime family. 18 00:01:47,113 --> 00:01:50,113 Papa: DiBono was in construction. 19 00:01:50,113 --> 00:01:53,213 Helped build the World Trade Center. 20 00:01:53,213 --> 00:01:57,953 All of a sudden, he disappeared. 21 00:01:58,012 --> 00:02:01,512 Papa: He was missing for a few days. 22 00:02:01,513 --> 00:02:04,113 Nobody could find him. 23 00:02:04,212 --> 00:02:06,912 Gabriel: We had actually gotten informant information 24 00:02:07,012 --> 00:02:10,652 that indicated ... they said, "Hey, Louie DiBono's dead. 25 00:02:10,711 --> 00:02:13,041 He was left in a very public place. 26 00:02:13,112 --> 00:02:16,212 You should be able to find the body." 27 00:02:16,311 --> 00:02:18,711 Papa: The irony of Louis DiBono's death was, 28 00:02:18,810 --> 00:02:22,940 here he was in construction, built the world trade center, 29 00:02:23,011 --> 00:02:26,611 and his body was found in the parking lot 30 00:02:26,610 --> 00:02:29,310 of the World Trade Center. 31 00:02:29,311 --> 00:02:30,941 Gabriel: DiBono was laying dead in his car 32 00:02:31,011 --> 00:02:33,411 for two days in the parking lot. 33 00:02:33,511 --> 00:02:35,641 Somebody that thought this guy was asleep 34 00:02:35,709 --> 00:02:38,209 knocked on the window and realized he was dead. 35 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:40,110 He'd been just sitting there for two days. 36 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:41,940 Nobody had noticed. 37 00:02:43,343 --> 00:02:46,513 Papa: Gotti used DiBono, actually, as an example. 38 00:02:46,510 --> 00:02:50,440 He would teach lessons, and if anybody was disloyal 39 00:02:50,542 --> 00:02:53,912 or anybody wasn't listening to John Gotti, 40 00:02:54,010 --> 00:02:56,940 there were fatal consequences. 41 00:02:57,010 --> 00:03:02,310 Gotti, at one point, wanted to talk with him. 42 00:03:02,309 --> 00:03:05,639 DiBono wouldn't meet with him or wouldn't answer his telephones. 43 00:03:05,708 --> 00:03:09,808 DiBono didn't want to do what Gotti was telling him to do. 44 00:03:09,807 --> 00:03:12,407 And for that reason, for not coming 45 00:03:12,509 --> 00:03:18,539 when Gotti wanted him to come, Gotti decided that he had to go. 46 00:03:21,308 --> 00:03:23,538 DiBono was going to his car, 47 00:03:23,607 --> 00:03:28,937 and an assassination team followed him, 48 00:03:29,008 --> 00:03:32,338 cased it out... 49 00:03:32,408 --> 00:03:36,808 shot him dead in the car, and got out of there. 50 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,640 Was John Gotti an evil or vicious person? 51 00:03:42,706 --> 00:03:44,536 Absolutely, he was. 52 00:03:56,739 --> 00:04:01,699 ♪♪ 53 00:04:01,705 --> 00:04:07,735 Schumacher: In 1985, John Gotti was a capo in the Gambino crime family. 54 00:04:07,805 --> 00:04:10,935 Capos, or captains, are really like crew chiefs. 55 00:04:11,005 --> 00:04:14,695 They're responsible for either different areas of geography 56 00:04:14,804 --> 00:04:18,444 or of different types of crimes that they're focused on. 57 00:04:18,538 --> 00:04:25,408 And these capos have under them soldiers and associates. 58 00:04:25,505 --> 00:04:28,535 The Gambino crime family was the largest crime family 59 00:04:28,637 --> 00:04:29,897 in the greater New York area. 60 00:04:30,005 --> 00:04:33,395 They were extremely powerful and were involved 61 00:04:33,504 --> 00:04:37,044 in just a vast array of criminal enterprises, 62 00:04:37,104 --> 00:04:40,204 everything from bookmaking and loan-sharking, 63 00:04:40,204 --> 00:04:43,004 up to their control of unions, 64 00:04:43,003 --> 00:04:46,003 involvement with the construction industry. 65 00:04:46,104 --> 00:04:49,804 The Gambinos were one of the five Mafia families in New York, 66 00:04:49,903 --> 00:04:54,643 and this was the structure of organized crime. 67 00:04:54,702 --> 00:04:58,202 In 1985, Paul Castellano was the boss 68 00:04:58,203 --> 00:05:00,703 of the Gambino crime family. 69 00:05:00,702 --> 00:05:03,102 Gotti didn't think highly of him at all. 70 00:05:03,102 --> 00:05:04,902 He thought, frankly, that Castellano 71 00:05:04,902 --> 00:05:08,142 should never have been put in the position he was put in. 72 00:05:08,202 --> 00:05:12,342 Gotti decides that Castellano has to go. 73 00:05:12,402 --> 00:05:13,802 DeStefano: And that's what happened. 74 00:05:13,902 --> 00:05:18,842 He went after Castellano and set up the infamous 75 00:05:18,902 --> 00:05:24,002 December 1985 assassination of Castellano 76 00:05:24,101 --> 00:05:27,331 in front of Sparks Steak House. 77 00:05:27,401 --> 00:05:29,001 Schumacher: After Castellano's death, 78 00:05:29,101 --> 00:05:31,931 Gotti makes a bid to become the boss, 79 00:05:32,001 --> 00:05:34,731 and he ultimately does become the boss. 80 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,830 ♪♪ 81 00:05:39,901 --> 00:05:43,731 Once John Gotti becomes the head of the Gambino crime family, 82 00:05:43,799 --> 00:05:48,899 what emerges is a very unprecedented 83 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:52,330 and very public head of a mob family. 84 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,900 Elevation to stardom in the Mafia 85 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,800 was a sea change for John Gotti. 86 00:05:59,799 --> 00:06:01,129 Before he became boss, 87 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,330 he was known as sort of a casual dresser, 88 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:08,699 often seen walking around in jackets, 89 00:06:08,798 --> 00:06:11,898 one of which was for the Oakland Raiders. 90 00:06:11,899 --> 00:06:16,599 And, suddenly, overnight, his whole attire changed. 91 00:06:16,598 --> 00:06:19,898 He started wearing hand-painted ties, 92 00:06:19,998 --> 00:06:22,928 believe it or not, monogrammed socks. 93 00:06:22,998 --> 00:06:28,198 He would show up in these, you know, $1,000 Armani suits. 94 00:06:28,298 --> 00:06:30,528 He would be dapper John. 95 00:06:30,631 --> 00:06:34,001 He got his hair done every day, got a shave. 96 00:06:33,998 --> 00:06:38,628 He switched his whole lifestyle from being a Queens hood 97 00:06:38,696 --> 00:06:43,996 to being this sort of boss-of-bosses-type character. 98 00:06:48,897 --> 00:06:53,397 Morrill: John Gotti was truly a wolf in sheep's clothing. 99 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:56,296 The John Gotti that I knew was a common criminal, 100 00:06:56,297 --> 00:07:01,687 and crime took no holiday when it was in John's hands. 101 00:07:01,695 --> 00:07:05,795 Cardinale: His presence was such that if he were annoyed 102 00:07:05,896 --> 00:07:08,426 or if he was mad, you couldn't miss it. 103 00:07:08,529 --> 00:07:11,399 It would be like a storm brewing. 104 00:07:11,496 --> 00:07:13,226 You could see it in his eyes. 105 00:07:13,295 --> 00:07:16,195 His eyes, in my view, would literally change color 106 00:07:16,295 --> 00:07:21,485 and become really, really dark when he was really infuriated. 107 00:07:21,495 --> 00:07:24,425 He was somebody who had no issues at all 108 00:07:24,528 --> 00:07:28,298 about brow-beating people within his organization. 109 00:07:28,395 --> 00:07:30,925 He sent out a warning to the capos 110 00:07:30,994 --> 00:07:32,894 and everybody else in the family 111 00:07:32,895 --> 00:07:37,825 that if they were picked up on any kind of recording or bug, 112 00:07:37,894 --> 00:07:40,034 they would be met with death. 113 00:07:42,227 --> 00:07:44,227 Gabriel: These guys are dangerous people. 114 00:07:44,294 --> 00:07:46,394 Killing is in their fabric. 115 00:07:46,494 --> 00:07:49,094 They're able to turn on people on a dime. 116 00:07:49,094 --> 00:07:53,094 If they feel threatened in any way, their reaction to it is, 117 00:07:53,193 --> 00:07:56,093 "That guy's got to go," period, and he goes. 118 00:07:57,726 --> 00:08:00,086 And it's your friend who's doing it. 119 00:08:00,093 --> 00:08:05,533 So there's a different level of ruthlessness behind that. 120 00:08:05,626 --> 00:08:09,886 And John Gotti was the epitome of that. 121 00:08:09,893 --> 00:08:12,793 If you crossed John Gotti, 122 00:08:12,893 --> 00:08:15,933 you were probably going to be dead within 24 hours. 123 00:08:15,992 --> 00:08:20,332 It was part of his whole homicidal character. 124 00:08:20,392 --> 00:08:22,792 He didn't care what the consequences were. 125 00:08:22,892 --> 00:08:29,132 ♪♪ 126 00:08:30,691 --> 00:08:34,521 ♪♪ 127 00:08:34,590 --> 00:08:36,890 There comes a time when John Gotti allegedly 128 00:08:36,991 --> 00:08:39,221 has a dispute with a refrigerator repairman 129 00:08:39,291 --> 00:08:42,191 named Romual Piecyk. 130 00:08:42,291 --> 00:08:46,391 Raab: Gotti went to a bar in Queens, 131 00:08:46,491 --> 00:08:48,991 and he double-parked. 132 00:08:48,990 --> 00:08:52,990 And Gotti saw this guy honking, whose car he had blocked, 133 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:56,520 and he walked over and told him to go [bleep] himself. 134 00:08:56,623 --> 00:09:00,593 And this repairman talked back to him. 135 00:09:00,589 --> 00:09:02,389 So, in typical Gotti fashion, 136 00:09:02,390 --> 00:09:04,890 they started beating up this guy. 137 00:09:04,990 --> 00:09:07,390 Cardinale: Gotti was a street guy. 138 00:09:07,390 --> 00:09:10,890 He was not a kind of person you'd want to get mad. 139 00:09:10,989 --> 00:09:15,989 Raab: They took his money and then drove off. 140 00:09:15,989 --> 00:09:18,289 Gotti didn't expect any problem. 141 00:09:18,289 --> 00:09:20,389 Cardinale: The guy then goes to the police, 142 00:09:20,389 --> 00:09:23,119 claims that he was attacked for no reason, 143 00:09:23,188 --> 00:09:25,688 and John gets arrested. 144 00:09:28,687 --> 00:09:31,287 Gabriel: It's not until a year or two later, 145 00:09:31,288 --> 00:09:34,618 that matter now comes to trial. 146 00:09:34,687 --> 00:09:36,617 Raab: And, suddenly, Gotti, instead of being 147 00:09:36,687 --> 00:09:41,617 this almost nobody in Queens, now is a big figure. 148 00:09:41,687 --> 00:09:43,687 He's the head of the Gambino family. 149 00:09:43,686 --> 00:09:45,516 The refrigerator repairman, 150 00:09:45,586 --> 00:09:49,886 suddenly realizing who he got into a scuffle with, 151 00:09:49,887 --> 00:09:52,487 got this case of amnesia. 152 00:09:52,487 --> 00:09:54,917 Papa: He realized who he was dealing with 153 00:09:54,987 --> 00:09:57,517 and he didn't want to deal with the consequences. 154 00:09:57,586 --> 00:10:00,516 He testified that he didn't know who that man was. 155 00:10:00,620 --> 00:10:02,620 He didn't know who John Gotti was. 156 00:10:02,686 --> 00:10:05,186 He didn't remember anything that happened to him. 157 00:10:05,286 --> 00:10:08,686 And so that whole case just went up in smoke. 158 00:10:11,286 --> 00:10:13,986 Raab: Of course, Gotti walked. 159 00:10:13,986 --> 00:10:17,316 To him, it was an example of how invincible he was. 160 00:10:17,386 --> 00:10:24,986 ♪♪ 161 00:10:25,085 --> 00:10:27,675 Man: John Gotti was in Brooklyn federal court on Monday. 162 00:10:27,784 --> 00:10:31,194 Gotti and six co-defendants were charged under the Rico Act, 163 00:10:31,285 --> 00:10:35,575 which stands for racketeer influenced corrupt organization. 164 00:10:35,584 --> 00:10:39,084 Gabriel: He's indicted in the early '80s. 165 00:10:39,185 --> 00:10:42,315 It's street-level criminal activity. 166 00:10:42,384 --> 00:10:43,924 It's a loan-sharking case. 167 00:10:43,984 --> 00:10:47,284 It's gambling. It's some hijackings. 168 00:10:47,284 --> 00:10:49,624 It's been lingering for a while, so in '86, 169 00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:51,683 when that case finally comes to trial, 170 00:10:51,683 --> 00:10:55,783 this is a another shot to take him off the street. 171 00:10:55,783 --> 00:11:00,083 Man: John Gotti had been free on $1 million bail, pending trial. 172 00:11:00,183 --> 00:11:02,423 Officials say they confiscated several cigars 173 00:11:02,516 --> 00:11:04,676 and locked Gotti up. 174 00:11:04,682 --> 00:11:08,122 The alleged godfather is a man with considerable charisma. 175 00:11:08,183 --> 00:11:11,423 But prosecutors hope to put that charisma behind bars 176 00:11:11,516 --> 00:11:13,316 for the next 40 years. 177 00:11:13,383 --> 00:11:16,823 The prosecutors were not particularly experienced, 178 00:11:16,882 --> 00:11:18,722 but they were optimistic that they could 179 00:11:18,781 --> 00:11:20,281 somehow pull this off. 180 00:11:20,383 --> 00:11:22,783 This case went on and on. 181 00:11:22,882 --> 00:11:24,982 It went on for months. 182 00:11:25,082 --> 00:11:28,182 We would ask him, "How's it going in the trial?" 183 00:11:28,182 --> 00:11:29,522 And he would say, "Oh, we're going to 184 00:11:29,581 --> 00:11:30,881 win this case no problem." 185 00:11:30,982 --> 00:11:32,882 Man: None of the people on trial looked nervous, 186 00:11:32,982 --> 00:11:34,782 even though they could have faced 40 years 187 00:11:34,781 --> 00:11:36,711 in prison if convicted. 188 00:11:39,381 --> 00:11:45,881 Ultimately, the jury in march of 1987, declared Gotti not guilty. 189 00:11:45,981 --> 00:11:49,611 Papa: He was acquitted in that case, as well. 190 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:53,080 Raab: The truth is, it was a fixed trial. 191 00:11:53,180 --> 00:11:54,810 Gotti had no way of losing. 192 00:11:54,881 --> 00:11:57,411 DeStefano: His underlings had learned about 193 00:11:57,513 --> 00:11:59,513 the identity of a juror 194 00:11:59,579 --> 00:12:01,979 and approached the juror with an offer ... 195 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,610 $60,000, give or take. 196 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:10,109 And the juror was essentially agreeing to hang the jury. 197 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:13,110 Schumacher: In Gotti's world, Sammy Gravano was his underboss. 198 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:18,110 He was his right-hand man on all the important endeavors. 199 00:12:18,179 --> 00:12:19,609 Sammy Gravano was actually the guy 200 00:12:19,678 --> 00:12:22,678 that delivered the money to pay this juror off. 201 00:12:22,778 --> 00:12:28,978 Gravano: I worked out a deal with him for $60,000 to find him not guilty. 202 00:12:30,411 --> 00:12:31,711 DeStefano: It wasn't a case of good defense 203 00:12:31,778 --> 00:12:34,178 in that case for Gotti. 204 00:12:34,278 --> 00:12:36,178 Simply a classic corruption case. 205 00:12:36,178 --> 00:12:43,208 ♪♪ 206 00:12:43,278 --> 00:12:46,408 Announcer: Welcome to "Larry King Live." 207 00:12:46,511 --> 00:12:50,811 Tonight, will they finally get the godfather? 208 00:12:50,878 --> 00:12:52,508 King: Reputed to be the boss of the nation's 209 00:12:52,610 --> 00:12:54,310 most powerful Mafia crime family, 210 00:12:54,377 --> 00:12:56,677 Gotti is charged with ordering the shooting 211 00:12:56,676 --> 00:12:59,376 of a union official. 212 00:12:59,477 --> 00:13:01,277 Feldman: During the late '80s, John O'Connor 213 00:13:01,377 --> 00:13:03,877 was a union leader in New York City. 214 00:13:03,877 --> 00:13:06,677 And he ended up having a confrontation 215 00:13:06,776 --> 00:13:08,806 with the Gambino crime family. 216 00:13:08,877 --> 00:13:13,767 And in retribution, John Gotti and the Gambino family allegedly 217 00:13:13,775 --> 00:13:15,605 went after John O'Connor. 218 00:13:15,675 --> 00:13:18,775 And O'Connor was shot multiple times, 219 00:13:18,876 --> 00:13:21,566 although he did survive the shooting. 220 00:13:21,575 --> 00:13:24,105 A lot of people who observed the trial at the time 221 00:13:24,176 --> 00:13:26,606 thought the evidence was pretty strong. 222 00:13:26,675 --> 00:13:30,305 There were tapes where he said, "I'm going to bust them up. 223 00:13:41,574 --> 00:13:43,874 Man: But O'Connor, the man with the white hair, 224 00:13:43,875 --> 00:13:47,465 was subpoenaed by Gotti to testify for the defense. 225 00:13:47,474 --> 00:13:50,014 He dealt the government a major blow. 226 00:13:50,075 --> 00:13:51,365 Raab: He testified, in effect, 227 00:13:51,474 --> 00:13:54,174 that he never heard anything from John Gotti. 228 00:13:54,174 --> 00:13:55,874 He didn't know who shot him. 229 00:13:55,974 --> 00:13:58,474 Man: The Gotti case will go to the jury early next week. 230 00:13:58,474 --> 00:13:59,874 If he is found not guilty, 231 00:13:59,874 --> 00:14:01,774 it would be the third time in a row 232 00:14:01,874 --> 00:14:03,974 that the government would have failed to convict Gotti, 233 00:14:04,074 --> 00:14:07,074 and that, said one longtime courtroom observer, 234 00:14:07,073 --> 00:14:11,573 would make the government look "pretty stupid." 235 00:14:11,572 --> 00:14:14,972 Man: We find him not guilty. 236 00:14:14,973 --> 00:14:16,813 He was acquitted in that case 237 00:14:16,873 --> 00:14:20,773 and he walked out of there scot-free. 238 00:14:20,772 --> 00:14:24,272 What was unknown until later, that this jury 239 00:14:24,372 --> 00:14:26,672 also might have been fixed. 240 00:14:26,671 --> 00:14:29,611 Gravano: He knew that, at bare minimum, 241 00:14:29,671 --> 00:14:30,871 he had a hung jury. 242 00:14:30,972 --> 00:14:32,712 He wasn't going to get found guilty. 243 00:14:32,771 --> 00:14:34,511 I got it. 244 00:14:34,605 --> 00:14:37,005 Woman: A shake and a kiss from his lawyer, and with that, 245 00:14:37,072 --> 00:14:40,112 he was off and running, Gotti looking more like Rocky, 246 00:14:40,172 --> 00:14:42,912 pumped up with the victory of his latest legal bought. 247 00:14:42,971 --> 00:14:45,171 [People cheering] 248 00:14:45,272 --> 00:14:46,702 When he left the courthouse that day, 249 00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:48,700 there were thousands of people 250 00:14:48,770 --> 00:14:51,070 waiting outside, cheering for him. 251 00:14:51,171 --> 00:14:52,371 Man: It was his third acquittal 252 00:14:52,371 --> 00:14:55,601 in three separate cases since 1986. 253 00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:58,500 DeStefano: That gave him the reputation as the Teflon Don, 254 00:14:58,604 --> 00:15:00,574 when no charges could stick, it seemed. 255 00:15:00,570 --> 00:15:02,670 Man: Legal experts say the bumbling of state 256 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:05,500 and federal prosecutors in the past four years 257 00:15:05,603 --> 00:15:08,003 has given Gotti an aura of invincibility. 258 00:15:08,070 --> 00:15:11,900 Here, we have this guy that just keeps thumbing his nose 259 00:15:11,970 --> 00:15:14,370 at law enforcement, keeps winning 260 00:15:14,370 --> 00:15:16,970 these criminal cases in the public's eye, 261 00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:19,770 and we got to find a way to put him in jail. 262 00:15:19,769 --> 00:15:22,599 The feds were getting pretty frustrated 263 00:15:22,668 --> 00:15:26,668 and really wanted to take this guy down. 264 00:15:26,768 --> 00:15:32,168 Subsequent to that, the FBI made Gotti a priority. 265 00:15:32,269 --> 00:15:33,799 Woman: The way things have been going, though, 266 00:15:33,869 --> 00:15:37,369 no one's betting on who gets the last laugh. 267 00:15:37,369 --> 00:15:43,599 ♪♪ 268 00:15:45,701 --> 00:15:47,801 What did you think when you would read your father's name 269 00:15:47,868 --> 00:15:49,768 and the word "gangster"? 270 00:15:49,767 --> 00:15:50,867 What did you feel, think? 271 00:15:50,968 --> 00:15:52,668 Well, it was never about that. 272 00:15:52,667 --> 00:15:54,167 It was always about the exposure. 273 00:15:54,268 --> 00:15:57,968 It was always about dealing with the publicity. 274 00:15:57,967 --> 00:15:59,667 It was overwhelming. 275 00:15:59,666 --> 00:16:01,066 It's something that you really have to get used to, 276 00:16:01,168 --> 00:16:04,498 and I think you really never fully do. 277 00:16:04,566 --> 00:16:08,966 Mob bosses normally like to be as low-key 278 00:16:09,067 --> 00:16:10,667 as they possibly can be 279 00:16:10,766 --> 00:16:13,896 so as not to attract the attention of law enforcement. 280 00:16:13,967 --> 00:16:15,667 Gotti was a different kind of guy. 281 00:16:15,765 --> 00:16:17,495 He was not low-key. 282 00:16:17,565 --> 00:16:20,995 Schumacher: He was not afraid of public attention. 283 00:16:21,066 --> 00:16:23,066 He was a little bit like Al Capone 284 00:16:23,066 --> 00:16:27,496 in that he really reveled in becoming a celebrity. 285 00:16:27,599 --> 00:16:31,869 And the New York tabloids in particular just loved him. 286 00:16:31,966 --> 00:16:35,896 John took on this persona. "I'm John Gotti, world. 287 00:16:35,966 --> 00:16:37,656 Come see me and know me." 288 00:16:37,764 --> 00:16:40,064 Raab: He decided that he was so important 289 00:16:40,065 --> 00:16:41,395 that nobody could touch him. 290 00:16:41,498 --> 00:16:44,498 He commanded large print headlines 291 00:16:44,564 --> 00:16:46,104 in all the local tabloids. 292 00:16:46,165 --> 00:16:49,795 He wanted the attention. He loved the attention. 293 00:16:49,865 --> 00:16:51,255 How do you feel, Mr. Gotti? 294 00:16:51,265 --> 00:16:52,395 Pretty good. 295 00:16:52,498 --> 00:16:56,458 A real collaborator of John Gotti 296 00:16:56,464 --> 00:16:59,404 and his image was the media. 297 00:16:59,497 --> 00:17:03,697 Feldman: John Gotti and the press had this interesting relationship, 298 00:17:03,763 --> 00:17:06,163 because both parties benefited. 299 00:17:06,164 --> 00:17:07,664 John Gotti felt, I think, 300 00:17:07,763 --> 00:17:11,963 that the press coverage enhanced his bona fides 301 00:17:11,964 --> 00:17:15,764 for the mob family that he was in control off. 302 00:17:15,762 --> 00:17:18,402 The press, in turn, knew he made good headlines, 303 00:17:18,496 --> 00:17:21,056 he made good footage for the evening news. 304 00:17:21,163 --> 00:17:23,903 And Gotti was very good at manipulating the press. 305 00:17:23,963 --> 00:17:27,763 He occasionally would flip cash to homeless people 306 00:17:27,863 --> 00:17:29,203 who might have been camped out in front 307 00:17:29,263 --> 00:17:30,763 of some of the courthouses. 308 00:17:30,761 --> 00:17:33,761 And, of course, he was savvy enough to know that, 309 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:35,601 what footage made the news that night? 310 00:17:35,661 --> 00:17:38,061 It was John Gotti giving money to the homeless. 311 00:17:38,062 --> 00:17:40,502 He's going to give you some money. 312 00:17:40,595 --> 00:17:41,795 Here's some money. 313 00:17:41,862 --> 00:17:44,162 Man: The head of the Gambino crime family, 314 00:17:44,262 --> 00:17:46,262 a real-life godfather. 315 00:17:46,262 --> 00:17:47,762 There's a two-edged sword kind of here, though, 316 00:17:47,761 --> 00:17:50,961 because the press liked him, didn't they? 317 00:17:50,962 --> 00:17:53,662 Wasn't John Gotti a figure they liked to cover? 318 00:17:53,761 --> 00:17:56,591 Well, he was very likable, just his personality. 319 00:17:56,660 --> 00:17:58,290 He responded to them, he talked to them when he walked, right? 320 00:17:58,361 --> 00:18:02,761 Yeah. I think that without having to respond, he responded. 321 00:18:02,861 --> 00:18:06,861 It was just that kind of a seduction. 322 00:18:06,861 --> 00:18:11,391 The press romanticized him, glorified him, glamorized him. 323 00:18:11,493 --> 00:18:14,893 Woman: Gotti oozes mobster mystique from his silver hair 324 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,860 to his supposedly monogrammed socks. 325 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,360 "Dressed to kill" is how the tabloids describe him. 326 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:26,360 He was a celebrity, plain and simple. 327 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:30,060 Raab: Gotti was not only popular with the press in New York, 328 00:18:30,159 --> 00:18:32,259 he was popular in his neighborhood. 329 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,359 Woman: Hundreds of people gathered for an all-day block party 330 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,489 with free hot dogs and hamburgers, 331 00:18:37,558 --> 00:18:39,288 all apparently courtesy of the man 332 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,989 they call the "Dapper Don," 333 00:18:41,059 --> 00:18:43,259 reputed New York crime boss John Gotti. 334 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,289 John Gotti seemed to be the Robin Hood 335 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,959 in his neighborhood. 336 00:18:48,058 --> 00:18:51,058 He would have a fourth of July party 337 00:18:51,058 --> 00:18:54,758 and he would fund the party and the fireworks. 338 00:18:58,058 --> 00:19:02,788 I know him as a lovely person who always says hello. 339 00:19:02,858 --> 00:19:07,158 People really regarded him, in a way, as a folk hero 340 00:19:07,158 --> 00:19:10,558 and as somebody who brought joy to their neighborhood. 341 00:19:10,556 --> 00:19:12,586 They looked at him as a leader, 342 00:19:12,656 --> 00:19:15,156 as someone who was protecting them. 343 00:19:15,157 --> 00:19:18,657 There's always been this aura in this country with the Mafia. 344 00:19:18,656 --> 00:19:23,256 DeStefano: It was part of the myth at that mafiosi or the Mafia 345 00:19:23,257 --> 00:19:26,087 was really a benevolent association. 346 00:19:26,156 --> 00:19:29,286 What they didn't appreciate, of course, 347 00:19:29,356 --> 00:19:31,456 is what that was hiding, 348 00:19:31,456 --> 00:19:37,356 and what was hiding was somebody who was a ruthless killer. 349 00:19:37,356 --> 00:19:40,486 Schumacher: We know for sure that John Gotti was involved, 350 00:19:40,555 --> 00:19:42,585 in one way or another, with five murders, 351 00:19:42,655 --> 00:19:45,585 but being the boss of the Gambino crime family 352 00:19:45,655 --> 00:19:47,585 and being a capo before that, 353 00:19:47,654 --> 00:19:51,264 it's almost certain that the number is higher. 354 00:19:51,355 --> 00:19:53,785 There was never really a lot of coverage 355 00:19:53,855 --> 00:19:57,645 about what a murderous criminal he was. 356 00:19:57,654 --> 00:19:59,654 This is not some Robin Hood. 357 00:19:59,654 --> 00:20:02,854 This is a person who is a plain hood. 358 00:20:02,955 --> 00:20:08,145 ♪♪ 359 00:20:09,187 --> 00:20:14,647 ♪♪ 360 00:20:14,753 --> 00:20:17,493 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 361 00:20:17,587 --> 00:20:21,387 In public, John Gotti was known for his swagger, coiffed hair 362 00:20:21,486 --> 00:20:23,246 and brash personality. 363 00:20:23,253 --> 00:20:24,953 Many in his neighborhood of Howard Beach 364 00:20:25,053 --> 00:20:28,553 considered him generous, a modern-day Robin Hood. 365 00:20:28,552 --> 00:20:31,192 But behind the scenes, gangster Gotti was running 366 00:20:31,253 --> 00:20:33,993 the violent Gambino crime family. 367 00:20:34,053 --> 00:20:35,893 Time and time again, he proved 368 00:20:35,953 --> 00:20:38,293 he would let no one stand in his way. 369 00:20:38,353 --> 00:20:41,753 ♪♪ 370 00:20:41,852 --> 00:20:44,492 DeStefano: Gotti was a guy who wanted to be a gangster, 371 00:20:44,551 --> 00:20:46,051 and in his mind, to be a gangster, 372 00:20:46,152 --> 00:20:47,352 you had to be tough. 373 00:20:47,452 --> 00:20:48,652 You had to want to kill. 374 00:20:48,751 --> 00:20:52,651 The Robert DiBernardo case was key in point. 375 00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:55,881 DiBernardo was a very well-known 376 00:20:55,952 --> 00:20:58,792 and respected member of the Gambino family. 377 00:20:58,851 --> 00:21:02,481 Papa: DiBernardo was sort of an independent operator 378 00:21:02,584 --> 00:21:07,254 but made a lot of money in the porn business. 379 00:21:07,351 --> 00:21:11,381 Gabriel: Word gets sent to John that Robert DiBernardo 380 00:21:11,484 --> 00:21:16,284 was talking behind John's back, he's being disloyal. 381 00:21:16,351 --> 00:21:19,351 So John says, "Alright, if that's true, kill him. 382 00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:20,480 He's got to go." 383 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:23,753 John is that quick to turn on him. 384 00:21:23,850 --> 00:21:26,050 DeStefano: Gravano said he tried to talk him out of it. 385 00:21:26,050 --> 00:21:27,880 "That's no real reason to kill him. 386 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:29,480 For insults?" 387 00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:30,749 Gravano: When he ordered a hit, 388 00:21:30,850 --> 00:21:33,780 he wanted it done yesterday. 389 00:21:33,850 --> 00:21:36,080 He would send me to supervise or control it 390 00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:40,449 or make sure the job got done. 391 00:21:40,449 --> 00:21:42,279 And I obviously did. 392 00:21:44,182 --> 00:21:45,752 DeStefano: So, they had DiBernardo come 393 00:21:45,849 --> 00:21:47,179 to a meeting in Brooklyn to ... 394 00:21:47,249 --> 00:21:48,949 I think it was Sammy's office. 395 00:21:48,949 --> 00:21:52,379 And while they were making coffee and DiBernardo 396 00:21:52,482 --> 00:21:55,752 was distracted by talking to Gravano, 397 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:58,478 an old man, "Old Man Paruta," 398 00:21:58,581 --> 00:22:01,981 I think was the name, came up behind DiBernardo 399 00:22:02,048 --> 00:22:07,748 and shot him in the head and killed him right there. 400 00:22:07,848 --> 00:22:09,848 Papa: Robert DiBernardo was never seen 401 00:22:09,848 --> 00:22:13,048 or heard from again, and they never found his body. 402 00:22:13,148 --> 00:22:22,648 ♪♪ 403 00:22:22,746 --> 00:22:27,946 Feldman: John Gotti was the number-one target for the government, 404 00:22:28,047 --> 00:22:31,147 partly because he was rubbing it in their faces, 405 00:22:31,147 --> 00:22:33,247 and government officials at the time 406 00:22:33,346 --> 00:22:35,576 were very open about saying that. 407 00:22:35,645 --> 00:22:38,635 He was somebody they could not permit 408 00:22:38,645 --> 00:22:41,945 to have that kind of power, if you will. 409 00:22:41,946 --> 00:22:45,846 The feds were going to have to make a better case. 410 00:22:45,946 --> 00:22:46,946 How do you do that? 411 00:22:47,046 --> 00:22:49,176 They needed quality evidence. 412 00:22:49,245 --> 00:22:53,575 ♪♪ 413 00:22:53,644 --> 00:22:56,584 Papa: John Gotti inherited the Ravenite Social Club 414 00:22:56,644 --> 00:22:59,544 in Mulberry Street in little Italy. 415 00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:03,884 And this is where he had his meetings with his colleagues 416 00:23:03,945 --> 00:23:07,345 and with his crew members. 417 00:23:07,445 --> 00:23:10,335 The feds actually rented a location 418 00:23:10,344 --> 00:23:13,344 about a block or two north. 419 00:23:13,344 --> 00:23:16,584 And they started video surveillance 420 00:23:16,643 --> 00:23:21,143 of Gotti along that street. 421 00:23:21,144 --> 00:23:22,684 They would see his habits 422 00:23:22,743 --> 00:23:25,083 and they would see who was showing up. 423 00:23:25,144 --> 00:23:28,044 But that wasn't quite enough, 424 00:23:28,043 --> 00:23:29,583 and so what they needed to do is, 425 00:23:29,642 --> 00:23:31,842 they needed to have recordings 426 00:23:31,843 --> 00:23:35,043 of John Gotti having conversations. 427 00:23:35,043 --> 00:23:38,583 He would come out and do what we dubbed "walk talks." 428 00:23:38,642 --> 00:23:41,882 So they would walk down the street ... 429 00:23:41,943 --> 00:23:43,343 sometimes, it's whispering ... 430 00:23:43,343 --> 00:23:45,743 so they can have a good criminal conversation, 431 00:23:45,843 --> 00:23:47,583 where it's very tough to bug. 432 00:23:47,641 --> 00:23:50,941 So I started experimenting with parabolic mics. 433 00:23:51,042 --> 00:23:53,242 I'm putting them in roof racks of vehicles, 434 00:23:53,342 --> 00:23:57,182 trying to cover as much of the street as I can. 435 00:23:57,242 --> 00:24:00,582 But it didn't lead to very much evidence. 436 00:24:02,975 --> 00:24:05,465 We eventually put a bug in the Ravenite. 437 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:08,870 And those bugs go on for several, several months. 438 00:24:08,941 --> 00:24:12,471 We get snippets of criminal conversation, 439 00:24:12,574 --> 00:24:14,874 but the clubs are very noisy. 440 00:24:14,941 --> 00:24:17,741 The conversations are broken up. 441 00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:19,070 DeStefano: They realized, at certain points, 442 00:24:19,141 --> 00:24:20,941 that Gotti would be absent 443 00:24:20,941 --> 00:24:22,971 from the conversations. 444 00:24:23,041 --> 00:24:25,941 And they were watching the club and they said, 445 00:24:26,041 --> 00:24:27,441 "He never left the building. 446 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,040 Where did he go?" 447 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,740 Gabriel: I'm hearing he's disappearing 448 00:24:30,739 --> 00:24:33,339 for like 45 minutes or an hour. 449 00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:35,870 And, again, I'm checking my surveillance tapes, 450 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:38,140 and he's still in the building. 451 00:24:38,140 --> 00:24:39,940 He hasn't left. 452 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,340 Where is he? 453 00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:45,539 Papa: Then they realized that John Gotti 454 00:24:45,538 --> 00:24:50,638 was using an apartment over the Ravenite Social Club. 455 00:24:50,738 --> 00:24:53,168 This belonged to an older woman. 456 00:24:53,239 --> 00:24:54,839 And they would go up there, 457 00:24:54,939 --> 00:24:56,769 and they would sit in the living room, 458 00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:59,139 having a conversation. 459 00:24:59,239 --> 00:25:01,239 That was crucial. 460 00:25:03,638 --> 00:25:06,138 Feldman: They needed to plant listening devices 461 00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:08,838 in the old lady's apartment. 462 00:25:08,938 --> 00:25:10,768 But how do you do that? 463 00:25:10,838 --> 00:25:14,468 Because she was almost always there. 464 00:25:14,571 --> 00:25:18,141 Gabriel: I put a device known as a pen register on her phone ... 465 00:25:18,238 --> 00:25:21,638 it monitors activity ... figuring that would give me some clues 466 00:25:21,637 --> 00:25:25,337 as to when she was around or wasn't around. 467 00:25:25,437 --> 00:25:28,867 I have a deal with my tech guys that if I can assure them that 468 00:25:28,937 --> 00:25:34,037 she's not in on any given night, that they'd be ready to go. 469 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:36,737 So they waited and they waited. 470 00:25:36,837 --> 00:25:38,037 There were one or two weekends 471 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:40,037 where I was reasonably confident, 472 00:25:40,137 --> 00:25:42,627 from the lack of any activity, 473 00:25:42,635 --> 00:25:45,135 that she was probably not around. 474 00:25:45,136 --> 00:25:46,336 And I'd wait till about midnight 475 00:25:46,436 --> 00:25:49,366 and I'd call the number to confirm. 476 00:25:49,469 --> 00:25:51,069 And I'd wind up waking her up. 477 00:25:51,136 --> 00:25:53,166 She'd answer the phone, and I'd feel terrible 478 00:25:53,236 --> 00:25:56,336 and, you know, get myself off the line. 479 00:25:56,435 --> 00:25:58,465 But the third or fourth time, 480 00:25:58,535 --> 00:26:00,865 I had like two days of no activity on the phone. 481 00:26:00,935 --> 00:26:02,465 [Telephone ringing] 482 00:26:02,534 --> 00:26:03,844 She doesn't answer the phone. 483 00:26:03,935 --> 00:26:05,135 So that night, those guys ... 484 00:26:05,235 --> 00:26:06,965 I call them up and said, "Hey, she's gone." 485 00:26:07,035 --> 00:26:09,325 And they go in and they put the bugs in. 486 00:26:09,335 --> 00:26:12,365 The FBI broke into her apartment, 487 00:26:12,468 --> 00:26:16,328 put bugs in in the lamp, got out and waited. 488 00:26:16,435 --> 00:26:21,925 ♪♪ 489 00:26:22,034 --> 00:26:27,474 Papa: On November 30th, the feds were finally able to get very clear, 490 00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:33,433 damaging tapes of John Gotti's own voice and in his own words. 491 00:26:53,132 --> 00:26:58,172 When you heard him speak, he was very gruff. 492 00:26:58,232 --> 00:27:00,572 He was very street. 493 00:27:06,332 --> 00:27:09,572 He had a real thick New York accent. 494 00:27:09,631 --> 00:27:12,031 I believe he never really gave interviews 495 00:27:12,031 --> 00:27:15,831 because he didn't want to be heard like that. 496 00:27:15,831 --> 00:27:19,161 Otherwise, he looked pretty slick and sophisticated 497 00:27:19,231 --> 00:27:21,631 and pretty put together on the outside. 498 00:27:26,831 --> 00:27:28,631 Feldman: John Gotti ... he was very comfortable 499 00:27:28,629 --> 00:27:32,929 talking in the confines of that little apartment. 500 00:27:32,931 --> 00:27:35,731 Conversations are turning from different topics, 501 00:27:35,729 --> 00:27:38,229 and it goes into the Paul Castellano hit 502 00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:39,830 and why they killed him. 503 00:27:45,629 --> 00:27:47,459 They were also able to capture him 504 00:27:47,563 --> 00:27:52,463 talking about the murders of members of his family. 505 00:28:02,329 --> 00:28:04,229 Cardinale: Those were the most important tapes 506 00:28:04,329 --> 00:28:06,729 that they got against John. 507 00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:09,557 Raab: It gave them a mountain of evidence, 508 00:28:09,628 --> 00:28:13,228 and that was the key to finally indicting him. 509 00:28:13,228 --> 00:28:16,728 ♪♪ 510 00:28:16,828 --> 00:28:21,028 John Gotti was arrested on December 11, 1990. 511 00:28:21,128 --> 00:28:22,828 Gabriel: I go barging into the club, 512 00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:25,327 and there's John and Sammy sitting at their table. 513 00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:26,828 And, you know, John looks at me. 514 00:28:26,827 --> 00:28:29,127 He goes, "Oh, we were expecting you. 515 00:28:29,127 --> 00:28:31,257 I know why you're here." 516 00:28:31,327 --> 00:28:33,457 I said, "Well, that's good. That makes this easy." 517 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,930 And he said, "Well, you know, can we at least 518 00:28:34,927 --> 00:28:36,127 finish our coffee?" 519 00:28:36,127 --> 00:28:37,727 I said, "Yeah, enjoy your coffee. 520 00:28:37,827 --> 00:28:39,757 We're not in a rush. 521 00:28:39,827 --> 00:28:43,227 We'll be going home later. You won't be." 522 00:28:43,226 --> 00:28:46,656 There's a classic photo of the table in the Ravenite 523 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:48,625 with three cups of espresso, 524 00:28:48,626 --> 00:28:51,716 which was the last espresso Gotti ever had, 525 00:28:51,725 --> 00:28:54,825 I believe, as a free man. 526 00:28:54,826 --> 00:28:57,926 Man: John Gotti wore his customary look of nonchalance 527 00:28:57,926 --> 00:29:02,226 as FBI agents led him away from a federal processing center. 528 00:29:02,326 --> 00:29:04,756 They've said they are determined to put him in prison 529 00:29:04,825 --> 00:29:06,455 for the rest of his life. 530 00:29:06,524 --> 00:29:12,234 ♪♪ 531 00:29:14,325 --> 00:29:18,455 ♪♪ 532 00:29:18,524 --> 00:29:21,064 Man: Gotti and three associates in the Gambino family 533 00:29:21,125 --> 00:29:22,815 have been indicted on federal charges 534 00:29:22,924 --> 00:29:27,024 that include murder and racketeering. 535 00:29:27,024 --> 00:29:28,924 Raab: Shortly before Christmas, 536 00:29:29,024 --> 00:29:31,824 the FBI and the justice department 537 00:29:31,824 --> 00:29:35,324 indicted him on a whole bevy of charges 538 00:29:35,324 --> 00:29:37,924 that could lead to a life sentence. 539 00:29:38,024 --> 00:29:41,364 And they also indicted Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. 540 00:29:41,456 --> 00:29:43,816 Man: One charge includes the killing of former mob boss 541 00:29:43,923 --> 00:29:46,463 Paul Castellano, allegedly rubbed out 542 00:29:46,522 --> 00:29:48,562 so Gotti could take over. 543 00:29:48,622 --> 00:29:50,862 He's a murderer. He's not a folk hero. 544 00:29:50,923 --> 00:29:53,623 He's charged with four murders in this indictment. 545 00:29:53,722 --> 00:29:55,162 He's charged with conspiring to murder 546 00:29:55,223 --> 00:29:58,623 another member of organized crime in the indictment. 547 00:29:58,722 --> 00:30:00,722 He's a criminal, in our judgement. 548 00:30:00,823 --> 00:30:02,863 Feldman: Certainly, the press at the time were at the point 549 00:30:02,923 --> 00:30:05,863 where it was another John Gotti bust. 550 00:30:05,922 --> 00:30:08,322 Let's see how he gets out of this one. 551 00:30:10,755 --> 00:30:14,615 So, before the trial began, various recordings were played, 552 00:30:14,621 --> 00:30:18,021 and John Gotti and his other defendants, 553 00:30:18,021 --> 00:30:20,151 including Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, 554 00:30:20,221 --> 00:30:22,451 were present to hear that. 555 00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:26,454 There was a sense that Gotti and Gravano were in this together, 556 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,550 they were partners in everything they were doing. 557 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:34,420 The apartment bug, where Gotti was picked up, 558 00:30:34,421 --> 00:30:37,951 ultimately had another twist to it. 559 00:30:38,021 --> 00:30:42,321 Gravano was not always present for these conversations. 560 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,150 And on some of the tapes, Gotti was not, to put it mildly, 561 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:50,620 charitable in his comments about Gravano. 562 00:30:50,719 --> 00:30:54,219 DeStefano: Gotti is heard complaining about Gravano. 563 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:55,520 He ruminated about 564 00:30:55,519 --> 00:31:00,419 Sammy "The Bull" Gravano's earning power. 565 00:31:00,419 --> 00:31:04,019 But, more importantly, he implicates Sammy 566 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:05,719 in like three murders. 567 00:31:14,052 --> 00:31:15,822 Papa: The tapes were being played. 568 00:31:15,918 --> 00:31:18,748 Gravano and Gotti were sitting there. 569 00:31:18,818 --> 00:31:21,918 And it isn't pretty. 570 00:31:22,018 --> 00:31:24,848 You can only imagine what's going on in their minds. 571 00:31:24,918 --> 00:31:27,618 That was going to be a problem. 572 00:31:27,717 --> 00:31:32,547 Gravano: When I heard this tape, I was devastated. 573 00:31:32,617 --> 00:31:36,317 He's betraying me behind my back. 574 00:31:36,317 --> 00:31:40,447 Cardinale: Sammy started to see that he was in deep, deep trouble. 575 00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:42,950 He saw the writing on the wall. 576 00:31:43,017 --> 00:31:45,117 Raab: A major weakness in Gotti 577 00:31:45,217 --> 00:31:47,717 was this misjudgment of characters. 578 00:31:47,817 --> 00:31:50,547 What he really didn't understand about Sammy 579 00:31:50,616 --> 00:31:51,816 is that, very simply, 580 00:31:51,817 --> 00:31:54,217 Sammy had never served any jail time. 581 00:31:54,217 --> 00:31:57,917 Nobody knew what his character would be if he got into trouble. 582 00:32:01,016 --> 00:32:05,946 Sammy "The Bull" Gravano notified the FBI 583 00:32:06,016 --> 00:32:08,916 that he was willing to defect. 584 00:32:09,015 --> 00:32:10,505 Cardinale: One day, all of a sudden, 585 00:32:10,515 --> 00:32:13,445 he is supposedly taken out for medical reasons, 586 00:32:13,548 --> 00:32:15,448 and he never comes back. 587 00:32:15,548 --> 00:32:18,318 And it becomes clear to everyone that the reason he's gone 588 00:32:18,415 --> 00:32:22,205 is because he's decided to become a government witness. 589 00:32:22,215 --> 00:32:26,845 He is actually now working with the FBI. 590 00:32:26,915 --> 00:32:30,845 Feldman: That was a monumental decision for him, 591 00:32:30,914 --> 00:32:34,814 and it was a major win for the government. 592 00:32:34,914 --> 00:32:37,254 Cardinale: It was shocking. There's no question about it. 593 00:32:37,314 --> 00:32:40,214 No one ever expected that to happen. 594 00:32:40,314 --> 00:32:43,214 Gravano knew where all the skeletons 595 00:32:43,214 --> 00:32:46,814 were buried, literally. 596 00:32:46,914 --> 00:32:48,854 John's a double-crosser. 597 00:32:48,913 --> 00:32:50,953 I'm a master double-crosser. 598 00:32:51,013 --> 00:32:53,653 We played chess, and he lost. 599 00:32:53,712 --> 00:32:58,912 ♪♪ 600 00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:02,613 Man: No tickets are being sold, 601 00:33:02,712 --> 00:33:04,812 but the January trial of John Gotti 602 00:33:04,812 --> 00:33:08,312 promises to be a bout of major proportions. 603 00:33:10,745 --> 00:33:13,045 Feldman: The trial, if you will, of John Gotti started 604 00:33:13,112 --> 00:33:16,212 on the 21st of January in 1992. 605 00:33:16,312 --> 00:33:18,552 Papa: The charges were sensational. 606 00:33:18,611 --> 00:33:21,011 The murders were sensational. 607 00:33:21,112 --> 00:33:23,552 And here's John Gotti. 608 00:33:23,611 --> 00:33:25,311 Will he beat this rap? 609 00:33:25,412 --> 00:33:27,742 That was really the question. 610 00:33:29,411 --> 00:33:32,211 Miller: Entering the fourth trial, it did appear 611 00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:35,711 that the government pulled out all stops. 612 00:33:35,811 --> 00:33:38,141 Papa: This was almost about reputations, 613 00:33:38,211 --> 00:33:40,911 that the prosecutors needed this conviction 614 00:33:41,011 --> 00:33:44,841 because John Gotti was getting away with murder. 615 00:33:44,911 --> 00:33:47,011 Feldman: This case against John Gotti was executed 616 00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:48,610 in a very different way. 617 00:33:48,609 --> 00:33:50,639 So, let's take the jury, for example. 618 00:33:50,709 --> 00:33:53,839 The jury was sequestered throughout the entire trial, 619 00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:58,740 and that was something that was not the norm at all at the time. 620 00:33:58,810 --> 00:34:00,140 There was a genuine concern, 621 00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:03,440 because of the prior jury-fixing incidents, 622 00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:05,843 that, somehow, Gotti or his henchmen 623 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:08,010 would try to reach out to one or more 624 00:34:08,009 --> 00:34:12,509 jury members to fix the trial. 625 00:34:12,508 --> 00:34:13,908 Unlike previous attempts, 626 00:34:14,009 --> 00:34:16,209 this time, the federal government 627 00:34:16,309 --> 00:34:19,839 had two things going for its case against John Gotti. 628 00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:23,209 The first thing, of course, is it had those recordings, 629 00:34:23,208 --> 00:34:26,438 the recordings that were made where you can hear 630 00:34:26,507 --> 00:34:27,807 John Gotti discussing 631 00:34:27,908 --> 00:34:32,738 all sorts of nefarious operations of his family. 632 00:34:32,808 --> 00:34:34,938 The tapes were very compelling. 633 00:34:35,008 --> 00:34:37,238 Gabriel: What's he going to say? "I didn't say that"? 634 00:34:37,308 --> 00:34:41,538 The evidence was very strong. 635 00:34:41,606 --> 00:34:43,806 Feldman: And the most important thing they had 636 00:34:43,807 --> 00:34:46,437 was Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. 637 00:34:49,407 --> 00:34:51,707 Man: Sammy "The Bull" Gravano took the witness stand 638 00:34:51,807 --> 00:34:54,137 in Brooklyn Federal Court Monday. 639 00:34:54,207 --> 00:34:56,207 Feldman: The case has been unfolding now 640 00:34:56,307 --> 00:34:58,537 for a little more than a month or so. 641 00:34:58,605 --> 00:35:01,135 The moment that everybody was now waiting for ... 642 00:35:01,206 --> 00:35:05,706 the testimony in court of Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. 643 00:35:05,806 --> 00:35:09,736 That was a big deal, because it had never happened 644 00:35:09,806 --> 00:35:14,096 before in any Mafia case anywhere in the world, really, 645 00:35:14,105 --> 00:35:17,905 that you would have someone that powerful come and testify 646 00:35:18,005 --> 00:35:22,335 in court against his former boss, John Gotti. 647 00:35:22,438 --> 00:35:26,808 Gravano: I knew at that point my life was over 648 00:35:26,905 --> 00:35:29,695 as Salvatore "Sammy The Bull" Gravano. 649 00:35:29,704 --> 00:35:32,244 I would be called a rat, a traitor, an informer. 650 00:35:32,305 --> 00:35:35,295 I would be called a million different names. 651 00:35:35,305 --> 00:35:39,195 My family would have to live through this horror, 652 00:35:39,205 --> 00:35:41,095 but I was done. 653 00:35:43,304 --> 00:35:46,744 Papa: Gravano came onto that witness stand, 654 00:35:46,804 --> 00:35:49,204 into the seat so quietly. 655 00:35:49,204 --> 00:35:53,304 Everybody really held their collective breath. 656 00:35:53,403 --> 00:35:58,243 It was a very dramatic experience. 657 00:35:58,303 --> 00:36:02,743 Gotti had a kind of smirk on his face. 658 00:36:02,803 --> 00:36:04,243 Gotti might have been thinking, 659 00:36:04,303 --> 00:36:11,703 "If I walk out of this one, good luck, Mr. Gravano." 660 00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:14,543 Man: Gravano admitted that he was the underboss, 661 00:36:14,601 --> 00:36:15,901 the second-in-command, 662 00:36:16,002 --> 00:36:18,202 of the nation's most powerful Mafia family, 663 00:36:18,302 --> 00:36:22,442 the Gambinos, at the time he and Gotti were arrested. 664 00:36:22,501 --> 00:36:25,441 Gravano testified that John Gotti helped plan 665 00:36:25,501 --> 00:36:30,441 the 1985 rub-out of godfather Paul Castellano. 666 00:36:30,501 --> 00:36:32,531 In one of the most significant mob defections 667 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,230 in U.S. history, Gravano described, 668 00:36:35,302 --> 00:36:36,902 in blood-curdling detail, 669 00:36:37,001 --> 00:36:39,801 the plot to kill Paul Castellano. 670 00:36:39,801 --> 00:36:42,701 He testified, I think, for nine days. 671 00:36:42,801 --> 00:36:45,931 Thornburgh: He had intimate knowledge that was corroborated 672 00:36:46,001 --> 00:36:50,931 by the actual tapes that were taken of conversations. 673 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,000 Papa: Sammy Gravano knew what was going on. 674 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,030 He knew the people involved. 675 00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,600 He knew the people that were murdered. 676 00:36:58,699 --> 00:37:02,599 Man: Gravano also testified about how he was inducted into the Mafia, 677 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:05,429 how then-godfather Paul Castellano told him that 678 00:37:05,533 --> 00:37:08,403 if he should ever break the Mafia's code of silence, 679 00:37:08,399 --> 00:37:10,299 his soul would burn. 680 00:37:10,299 --> 00:37:12,199 As Gravano testified to this, 681 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,500 John Gotti looked at him and smiled. 682 00:37:15,498 --> 00:37:18,198 Papa: Gravano was not going to be unnerved, 683 00:37:18,299 --> 00:37:19,429 and he wasn't. 684 00:37:19,498 --> 00:37:22,198 He was an excellent witness. 685 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,829 Gravano really was the cement for the case. 686 00:37:25,899 --> 00:37:30,029 ♪♪ 687 00:37:30,098 --> 00:37:32,328 Man: The jury surprised just about everyone 688 00:37:32,431 --> 00:37:34,101 with the speed of its deliberation ... 689 00:37:34,198 --> 00:37:35,528 about a day and a half. 690 00:37:35,597 --> 00:37:37,197 John Gotti has been found guilty 691 00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:40,298 and will face life in prison. 692 00:37:40,298 --> 00:37:44,998 Papa: He was found guilty of everything, and it was over. 693 00:37:44,997 --> 00:37:47,997 Feldman: This was the first time in his career 694 00:37:48,097 --> 00:37:52,597 as a Mafia boss that Gotti had been found guilty. 695 00:37:52,696 --> 00:37:55,996 Cardinale: Five of those counts were murder and aid of racketeering 696 00:37:56,097 --> 00:38:00,097 that carried mandatory life-imprisonment sentences. 697 00:38:00,197 --> 00:38:02,027 The Teflon is gone. 698 00:38:02,097 --> 00:38:03,797 The don is covered with Velcro, 699 00:38:03,797 --> 00:38:08,397 and every charge in the indictment stuck. 700 00:38:08,396 --> 00:38:10,796 Schumacher: Gotti was sent to a maximum-security 701 00:38:10,796 --> 00:38:13,896 federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois. 702 00:38:13,896 --> 00:38:18,126 And not only that, he was placed in, essentially ... 703 00:38:18,196 --> 00:38:23,796 23 hours a day, he was in solitary confinement. 704 00:38:23,896 --> 00:38:26,096 Papa: It was over for John Gotti. 705 00:38:26,195 --> 00:38:31,895 He was in one of the most punitive prisons in the country. 706 00:38:31,995 --> 00:38:34,885 The "New York Daily News" said, in August, 707 00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:37,585 believes John Gotti is still leading a crime family 708 00:38:37,594 --> 00:38:38,894 from prison. 709 00:38:38,895 --> 00:38:41,085 Under his conditions, that's quite a feat. 710 00:38:41,195 --> 00:38:42,885 Which is what? He's in behind ... 711 00:38:42,995 --> 00:38:46,285 He is in 23-1/2-hour lockup in Marion, 712 00:38:46,395 --> 00:38:49,425 which is a super-maximum-security facility, 713 00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:52,933 and there's no communication other than 714 00:38:52,994 --> 00:38:56,334 with an immediate family member once or twice a month. 715 00:38:56,427 --> 00:39:00,227 ♪♪ 716 00:39:00,293 --> 00:39:02,193 Feldman: For a long period of time, 717 00:39:02,193 --> 00:39:04,693 the name John Gotti actually kind of disappeared 718 00:39:04,692 --> 00:39:09,092 from the public's consciousness because he was behind bars. 719 00:39:09,193 --> 00:39:10,593 But it was known that he was ill. 720 00:39:10,692 --> 00:39:14,632 It was known that he was suffering from throat cancer. 721 00:39:14,692 --> 00:39:18,892 And then, ultimately, on June 10, 2002, 722 00:39:18,892 --> 00:39:21,932 he succumbed to the cancer. 723 00:39:21,992 --> 00:39:25,992 Man: Family, friends, and associates gathered to give John Gotti, 724 00:39:25,992 --> 00:39:28,792 a man convicted of murder and racketeering, 725 00:39:28,892 --> 00:39:30,292 a hero's send-off. 726 00:39:30,292 --> 00:39:32,892 The procession of vehicles, led by limousines 727 00:39:32,992 --> 00:39:35,432 bearing elaborate flower arrangements, 728 00:39:35,491 --> 00:39:36,921 stopped at Gotti's home, 729 00:39:36,992 --> 00:39:39,422 where more people gathered for a glimpse 730 00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:40,730 and to pay respect. 731 00:39:40,791 --> 00:39:46,621 ♪♪ 732 00:39:46,690 --> 00:39:48,590 Gabriel: For all the fanfare with John Gotti, 733 00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:51,320 he was the least-effective boss that ever existed. 734 00:39:51,424 --> 00:39:56,024 Raab: The truth about Gotti was, he was an incompetent, 735 00:39:56,090 --> 00:39:59,190 almost imbecilic mob leader. 736 00:39:59,291 --> 00:40:04,691 He came in deciding that he was going to remake the Mafia. 737 00:40:04,689 --> 00:40:09,419 Instead, he became a whirlwind for disaster. 738 00:40:09,489 --> 00:40:11,589 Papa: The Gambino crime family continued on 739 00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:13,719 but, I would say, in a more crippled state. 740 00:40:13,789 --> 00:40:16,489 We took the unions away because of his conviction, 741 00:40:16,489 --> 00:40:18,789 which weakened all the other families. 742 00:40:18,889 --> 00:40:21,289 Feldman: And after John Gotti's conviction 743 00:40:21,289 --> 00:40:24,219 and after the turning of Gravano, 744 00:40:24,289 --> 00:40:26,889 more mob members started turning 745 00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:30,689 and became witnesses in various cases 746 00:40:30,789 --> 00:40:33,689 for the federal government. 747 00:40:33,789 --> 00:40:35,319 Gabriel: John Gotti is the boss 748 00:40:35,421 --> 00:40:37,921 that brought the whole Mafia down. 749 00:40:37,989 --> 00:40:39,289 He brought the attention to it, 750 00:40:39,388 --> 00:40:41,188 thinking that he was untouchable. 751 00:40:41,288 --> 00:40:44,488 It's that kind of arrogance that ruins empires. 752 00:40:44,487 --> 00:40:47,787 John Gotti wasn't Robin Hood. 753 00:40:47,888 --> 00:40:49,688 He was a murderer. 754 00:40:52,820 --> 00:40:56,920 Raab: Perhaps what sums him up best, in some respects, 755 00:40:56,987 --> 00:41:00,187 he was talking to one of his daughters, Victoria, 756 00:41:00,187 --> 00:41:03,917 about his life and how wonderful he was and how, 757 00:41:03,987 --> 00:41:07,787 because of him, the Gambino family would be so strong. 758 00:41:07,787 --> 00:41:09,187 And he tells his daughter, 759 00:41:09,187 --> 00:41:13,787 "You will never see another guy like me 760 00:41:13,786 --> 00:41:18,386 if you live to be 5,000 years old." 761 00:41:18,386 --> 00:41:19,616 Can you believe this? 762 00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:22,215 This is what he tells his daughter, 763 00:41:22,286 --> 00:41:24,516 while he's almost rotting in prison. 764 00:41:24,585 --> 00:41:36,085 ♪♪ 765 00:41:36,185 --> 00:41:40,215 John Gotti, inmate 182-053, 766 00:41:40,285 --> 00:41:43,675 lived nearly a decade in prison before passing away. 767 00:41:43,785 --> 00:41:45,915 The Brooklyn Catholic diocese denied him 768 00:41:45,985 --> 00:41:47,975 the honor of a funeral mass, 769 00:41:48,085 --> 00:41:50,575 but his family went forward with a burial, 770 00:41:50,684 --> 00:41:52,924 laying him to rest in a gold casket. 771 00:41:52,985 --> 00:41:56,115 He is entombed in a mausoleum in Queens, New York, 772 00:41:56,184 --> 00:41:59,424 directly beside his beloved son, Frankie. 773 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:02,417 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. Thanks for watching. 774 00:42:02,517 --> 00:42:03,977 Good night. 61579

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