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- A Boeing 747-100
en route to Paris from JFK
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went down off the
southern shore of Long Island
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about 50 miles east
of Manhattan.
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- It was a horrific scene.
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It touched the psyche
of the American public.
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- 212 passengers and a crew
of 17 were reported on board.
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It is believed
none have survived.
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- This is the first time
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that the FBI ever reconstructed
a huge plane like this.
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- It was unprecedented.
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Recovered over 96%
of this aircraft
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over a series
of a year and a half.
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- Unless it's criminal
in nature,
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the FBI's
not gonna be brought in.
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But we don't know
what happened, right?
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- From 1982, there were
approximately 1,000 people
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that were killed in airplane
incidents involving terrorism.
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- We were feeling, "My God,"
you know,
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"We have another terrorist act
here."
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- In the FBI, we make
a lot of headlines.
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Drug busts,
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mob stings,
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terrorist takedowns.
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- Get down! Get down!
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- We understand why people
want to tell stories about us.
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- Mark it.
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- Freeze!
- FBI.
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- FBI!
- Action!
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- But they don't know
the half of it.
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What really goes down,
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we save that for each other
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when we're talking
agent to agent.
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This is "FBI True."
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- Cindy Coppola is a 23-year
veteran of the FBI.
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She worked on cases
that included
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organized crime and terrorism
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and took part in multinational
investigations
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into drug trafficking
and money laundering.
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Coppola finished her career
with the Los Angeles division
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running two offices,
supervising investigations,
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and providing undercover
security for special events.
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- I know you guys worked the
TWA Flight 800 case together.
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And when I first came into
the Bureau,
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that had just
recently happened
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about six or seven
months prior.
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And there were, you know,
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a lot of people
still working on that case.
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- You have an airplane
that fell into the ocean
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on a beautifully clear night.
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The top story that night
on all the news channels.
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- Witnesses say they heard
at least one explosion,
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maybe two,
and then some witnesses say
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they saw in the sky something
that looked like a fireball.
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The jet had come from Athens,
Greece to JFK.
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It was on the ground
in New York
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for about three hours
before heading to Paris.
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20 minutes later,
it vanished from radar screens
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and at this point,
there is no word
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if the pilots
made a distress call.
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- And having seen it
on television,
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I called down to the office
to see, you know,
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if they needed any help.
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And the next day,
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they asked me to come out
and give a hand
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out in East Moriches
where we had set up
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a forward command post
for the recovery effort.
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- For over 20 years,
Kenneth Maxwell served
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in a variety of positions
in the Bureau.
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A member of the FBI's
Joint Terrorism Task Force,
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he led investigations into
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major international terrorist
attacks on U.S. citizens.
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Maxwell managed
the FBI's immediate response
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to the attack on the
World Trade Center on 9/11.
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- We immediately responded,
as the Bureau always does,
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in any type of major event,
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especially one
of this magnitude.
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- Rescue workers
worked through the night
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recovering wreckage
and human remains.
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Now, the investigation
this morning is being led
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by a task force from the FBI
and New York City police.
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- There were 229 people
on board the Paris-bound 747,
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TWA Flight 800.
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No survivors have been found.
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- It was a horrific scene.
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It touched the psyche
of the American public.
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- Neil Herman spent 25 years
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working domestic and
international terrorism cases
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out of New York City.
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He was a supervisor
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on the FBI's
Joint Terrorism Task Force.
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Herman is the recipient
of the prestigious
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FBI Director's Award
for his counterterrorism work.
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- Others might not know that
unless it's criminal in nature,
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the FBI's not gonna be
brought in.
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But we don't' know
what happened, right?
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- The fact remained we
didn't know what caused this,
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so we had to go into it
with an open mind
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and we ran an investigation
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coupled with the National
Transportation Safety Board.
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- The National Transportation
Safety Board, or NTSB,
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is a U.S. government agency
responsible for investigating
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civil transportation
accidents.
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As the NTSB investigate
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whether a mechanical failure
was responsible,
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the FBI explore a
more frightening possibility:
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sabotage.
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- A number of former
investigators have said
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you have to put the
possibility of a bomb
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or sabotage at the very top of
the list of possible suspects
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because as one said to me,
Russ, just a short time ago,
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747s just don't blow up
in the sky without some help.
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This is an airplane that has
a very good track record,
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a very good safety record.
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- You gotta remember that
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everything that touched
that plane once it landed
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from Europe
at JFK International
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was in effect part
of that investigation.
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We had massive investigations
into the airport,
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we had agents shuttling in and
out over long periods of time.
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- These things time,
but I'm very, very confident
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that we will,
as I said last night,
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get to the bottom of this.
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- Jim Kallstrom, rest his soul,
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took the bull by the horns
and he said,
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"I'm in charge
of this investigation.
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We have to have command
and control,"
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and everybody said,
"You're right, Jim,"
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and it went from there.
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- Federal investigators say
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at least 65 bodies
have now been recovered.
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- We were pretty certain
early on
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that it was
of a catastrophic nature,
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the breakup of this aircraft
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and the altitude
it came down from,
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it was highly unlikely there
were gonna be any survivors.
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But a human body still
can be powerful evidence
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as far as blast damage,
as far as explosive residue.
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All of that had to take place
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in those immediate
first few days.
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The dive teams, FBI dive team,
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Suffolk County, NYPD,
Nassau PD,
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whatever law enforcement
agency had divers.
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- They were out there.
- They were out there.
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Recovering victims
of this awful event.
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- I remember you had people
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still strapped into
their seats.
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- It was amazing that
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some of the victims' bodies
were fairly well intact
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and very recognizable.
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The divers recovered them
on the ocean floor.
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And others, you know,
through time and sea life
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and all the other
environmental factors,
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the bodies
were no longer intact
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and we were
recovering body parts.
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Then add to that
when the weather got too bad
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for all of our dive teams,
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we leased three or four
scallop trawlers
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with four agents
on each scallop trawler.
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That was 24/7.
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And the agents' job was
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when those nets landed
on the deck of the trawler,
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they would separate
airplane parts
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and human remains
from sea life,
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and the crew took care
of the sea life
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and the agents maintaining
the chain of custody.
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I remember Jim Kallstrom
relating to me
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that Charlie Christopher,
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who worked for him
in special operations,
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his wife was one of
the flight attendants
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who perished that night.
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And Charlie calling Jim and
just saying, "Please, Jim,"
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you know,
"Do whatever you have to do
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to find out
what happened to my wife."
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It was devastating
to all of the families,
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but it took on that
personal touch, if you will,
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that one of our own colleagues
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lost his lovely wife
that evening.
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- We do not yet know what
caused Flight 800 to crash,
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whether it was
mechanical failure or sabotage.
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But we will find out.
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- You have to remember,
for 3 1/2 years
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that led up this tragic event,
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we had been working on the
World Trade Center bombing.
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- The explosion ripped through
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the World Trade Center's
Twin Towers yesterday,
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apparently from a car bomb
in an underground garage.
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Five people were killed,
more than a thousand injured.
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- We had this
ongoing investigation involving
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what was known as Manila Air,
or the Bojinka plot.
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- Two bombs were supposed
to explode simultaneously
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aboard two United Airlines
747s.
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One would be arriving
from Los Angeles,
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the other from Singapore.
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- We were feeling, "My God,"
you know,
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"We have another
terrorist act here."
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Did someone on board
commit a suicide bombing?
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OR was there a bomb
like Pan Am 103
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that was set into
the cargo bay?
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- 52 minutes after departing
London's Heathrow Airport,
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Pan Am Flight 103
crashed in Lockerbie, Scotland.
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All aboard are dead.
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- People from 21 countries
filled these coffins.
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189 of them were American.
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- From 1982 until the event
of TWA Flight 800,
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there were approximately
1,000 people that were killed
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in airplane incidents
involving terrorism.
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The first weeks and months, we
were doing all that we could
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to eliminate certain
potential criminal acts.
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- Every single passenger
had to be vetted out,
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because you're looking at
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any variety of
different causes here.
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The law is very strict
with an aircraft accident.
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There's only two agencies
that are allowed access
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to the manifest:
NTSB and the FBI.
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The manifest is so important
in events like this
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with aviation disasters.
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There may be suspects
on there--look at 9/11.
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- Sure, yeah.
- You know?
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And the manifests were key
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in very quickly
identifying the hijackers.
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So there's a real solid basis
for getting that manifest
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and vetting it out fully.
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- You have agents and analysts
running their history,
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their background,
where they coming from,
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what were they doing,
you know, all that stuff.
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- Right.
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- Agents cross-reference
the names on the manifest
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with police reports
from the surrounding areas
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and review potentially
suspicious internet traffic,
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telephone calls,
and letters from the days
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leading up to the tragedy,
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but they soon conclude that
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none of the victims
played a role in the disaster.
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- But then at the same token,
you're doing recovery,
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you're doing
the evidence portion of it,
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and from what I remember,
this is the first time
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that the FBI ever reconstructed
a huge plane like this, right?
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- You can't get a conviction,
necessarily,
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in any criminal matter
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just based upon
eyewitness testimony,
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so you have to look
to the evidence.
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What does the FBI do very well?
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Collect evidence
and forensically analyze it.
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- To reconstruct the aircraft,
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the investigators
set themselves up
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in a former
Grumman aircraft facility
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in Calverton, New York.
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Maxwell leads the FBI's daily
operations at the hangar.
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- Now think about this
for a second.
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What do we have here?
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- Water.
- The ocean.
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- Rescuers said their job was
made harder by three things--
253
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the darkness--
there was no moon--
254
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a five mile-long oil slick
left by the burning fuel
255
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in the fully loaded aircraft,
256
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and the water, 120 feet deep.
257
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- It was unprecedented.
258
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Recovered over 96%
of this aircraft
259
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over a series
of a year and a half
260
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and then taking
all of that debris,
261
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millions of pieces of debris,
262
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some as large as an almost
intact wing of a 747,
263
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to small bits of metal and
fabric and personal effects
264
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that all had to be collected
and analyzed forensically.
265
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- So you guys are collecting
all this evidence...
266
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- Yeah.
267
00:12:52,554 --> 00:12:54,208
- Trying to
reconstruct the plane
268
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and in your mind you're like,
"How are we gonna do this?"
269
00:12:56,427 --> 00:12:57,689
- Yeah.
270
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- How do you know
what piece goes where?
271
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Does somebody say,
"Hey, we're gonna need help
272
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from so-and-so,"
and you make a phone call?
273
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What happens?
274
00:13:03,739 --> 00:13:06,133
- The way the NTSB works,
275
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when there's
an aircraft accident,
276
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they bring in anyone
who has any type of role
277
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in that aircraft.
278
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That means the aircraft
manufacturer, Boeing,
279
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that means the airline itself,
TWA,
280
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that means people who knew
where things belong
281
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in the aircraft.
282
00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:27,937
Gridding it out
with the shape a 747, right?
283
00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:31,332
Fuselage, the wings.
- Yeah, I remember.
284
00:13:31,419 --> 00:13:32,899
- And then we have
separate rooms
285
00:13:32,986 --> 00:13:34,770
for different parts of the
airplane that were coming in.
286
00:13:34,857 --> 00:13:37,686
It was a Herculean effort.
287
00:13:37,773 --> 00:13:40,732
And not only the fuselage
of the 92-foot section,
288
00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:42,691
which was awesome
in and of itself
289
00:13:42,778 --> 00:13:44,127
to be able to do that.
290
00:13:44,214 --> 00:13:47,783
Thousands of man-hours
put into that.
291
00:13:47,870 --> 00:13:49,611
We had another hangar
292
00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:53,310
that was dedicated to the
reconstruction of the cabin.
293
00:13:53,397 --> 00:13:55,443
You know, row-by-row
and galley by galley
294
00:13:55,530 --> 00:13:58,228
and lavatory by lavatory.
295
00:13:58,315 --> 00:14:01,928
We were fortunate
that because the seats,
296
00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:05,670
the numbers and letters were
on the arm rests of the seats,
297
00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:07,237
it really facilitated
298
00:14:07,324 --> 00:14:10,371
the reconstruction
of the cabin area.
299
00:14:13,069 --> 00:14:15,028
- Can you tell me
what it was like
300
00:14:15,115 --> 00:14:16,899
when the families
were allowed to come out
301
00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:18,553
to see the reconstruction?
302
00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,991
- So the families arrived
to view this incredible effort
303
00:14:22,078 --> 00:14:23,601
to put together the airplane
304
00:14:23,688 --> 00:14:25,386
where their loved ones
were lost.
305
00:14:25,473 --> 00:14:27,823
- Almost seven months
after the crash,
306
00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:30,217
family members were taken
by investigators
307
00:14:30,304 --> 00:14:32,784
to the hangar where the bits
and pieces of the plane
308
00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:34,264
had been reassembled.
309
00:14:34,351 --> 00:14:38,268
- It was exceedingly emotional
to witness this.
310
00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:42,577
- We went in to see the seat
that Jamie was sitting in,
311
00:14:42,664 --> 00:14:44,840
and looking at that,
312
00:14:44,927 --> 00:14:48,278
I know it was
the last place that he had been
313
00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:51,107
and we were given white roses
314
00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:54,850
and each one of us
put a white rose in the seat.
315
00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:59,681
- And we were very aware
of how hard this would be
316
00:14:59,768 --> 00:15:01,204
not only
for the victims' families,
317
00:15:01,291 --> 00:15:03,250
but the law enforcement
personnel.
318
00:15:03,337 --> 00:15:05,165
- When you look
at the empty seats
319
00:15:05,252 --> 00:15:09,691
that are charred
and busted up and mangled,
320
00:15:09,778 --> 00:15:11,867
you immediately
run through your mind,
321
00:15:11,954 --> 00:15:15,392
"These seats were full at one
time and they were full of life
322
00:15:15,479 --> 00:15:17,046
"and full of people
and children
323
00:15:17,133 --> 00:15:19,875
and husbands and wives,"
and it's just so upsetting
324
00:15:19,962 --> 00:15:22,225
to see them sitting there
like that.
325
00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:28,840
- As the FBI continues
its investigation,
326
00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,060
the results
from forensic analysis
327
00:15:31,147 --> 00:15:34,629
seemingly
confirm their worst fears.
328
00:15:34,716 --> 00:15:36,544
- As a result of
scientific analysis
329
00:15:36,631 --> 00:15:39,286
conducted by federal examiners,
330
00:15:39,373 --> 00:15:43,203
microscopic explosive traces
of unknown origin
331
00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:46,771
have been found
relating to TWA Flight 800.
332
00:15:46,858 --> 00:15:50,165
- It was discovered
at Washington in our lab
333
00:15:50,253 --> 00:15:53,648
that there were five separate--
five separate confirmations
334
00:15:53,735 --> 00:15:58,914
of high explosive residue
found among that debris.
335
00:15:59,001 --> 00:16:01,351
The attorney general
and the FBI,
336
00:16:01,438 --> 00:16:03,571
they were gonna declare this
a criminal act
337
00:16:03,658 --> 00:16:05,747
just based upon that.
338
00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:09,098
And then at the 11th hour, it
came to the Bureau's attention
339
00:16:09,185 --> 00:16:11,971
that the same aircraft
was out of St. Louis
340
00:16:12,058 --> 00:16:15,148
a month prior in June
341
00:16:15,235 --> 00:16:18,325
and St. Louis Airport police
bomb dog and the handler
342
00:16:18,412 --> 00:16:20,718
used that aircraft for...
both: Training.
343
00:16:20,805 --> 00:16:23,983
- That's done often.
344
00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:25,897
The bomb dog handler actually
345
00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,117
planted different kinds
of explosives
346
00:16:28,204 --> 00:16:29,684
in the cabin area
and the galley
347
00:16:29,771 --> 00:16:31,164
just to see
if the dog would find it.
348
00:16:31,251 --> 00:16:33,601
When that news came in,
they said, "Time out."
349
00:16:33,688 --> 00:16:35,385
You know?
"What do we got here?"
350
00:16:35,472 --> 00:16:38,519
And so what we were
able to determine
351
00:16:38,606 --> 00:16:41,391
from the thorough interview
of that police officer
352
00:16:41,478 --> 00:16:45,091
was that
four of the five confirmations
353
00:16:45,178 --> 00:16:47,484
could have come
from that training
354
00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:49,269
because they were very similar
explosive chemicals
355
00:16:49,356 --> 00:16:51,488
that he had secreted.
356
00:16:51,575 --> 00:16:55,753
One, however, to this day,
remains unexplained.
357
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,583
- Investigators examining the
wreckage of TWA Flight 800
358
00:16:59,670 --> 00:17:03,500
have found traces of a chemical
often used in explosives.
359
00:17:03,587 --> 00:17:07,200
- RDX, which is a
high explosive chemical
360
00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:09,419
usually found
in military ordinance,
361
00:17:09,506 --> 00:17:14,337
was recovered
off the aft cargo bay curtain.
362
00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:17,210
You couldn't say,
"Oh, those explosive residues
363
00:17:17,297 --> 00:17:20,560
definitely came
from that dog training."
364
00:17:20,647 --> 00:17:23,781
But standing alone
wasn't enough
365
00:17:23,867 --> 00:17:27,742
to declare that it was a crime
because the bottom line was
366
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:31,050
forensically,
you couldn't match the residue
367
00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:33,008
with any type of
physical damage
368
00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:35,010
to the metal structure
of the plane.
369
00:17:35,097 --> 00:17:38,057
- When you're looking at
potential terrorism avenue,
370
00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:39,623
it's ruled out, then.
371
00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:41,538
You rule out that it--
- Right. It gets ruled out.
372
00:17:41,625 --> 00:17:43,888
- But there were
certain questions
373
00:17:43,975 --> 00:17:47,675
that couldn't be explained that
were left in the gray area.
374
00:17:47,762 --> 00:17:49,807
For instance,
in the missile theory...
375
00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:52,288
- Another major theory
investigators are following
376
00:17:52,375 --> 00:17:56,249
is that Flight 800 may have
been brought down by a missile.
377
00:17:56,336 --> 00:17:58,425
- There were very
compelling eyewitnesses
378
00:17:58,512 --> 00:18:00,470
giving us detailed accounts
of seeing something
379
00:18:00,557 --> 00:18:02,342
ascend into the sky
380
00:18:02,429 --> 00:18:06,172
and then seeing an explosion
after following this trail.
381
00:18:06,259 --> 00:18:07,738
- And more than one witness.
382
00:18:07,825 --> 00:18:09,131
- Hundreds of people.
- Right. Yeah.
383
00:18:09,218 --> 00:18:11,133
People seeing the same thing.
384
00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:12,700
- Right.
Hundreds of people.
385
00:18:12,787 --> 00:18:15,355
So of course,
that was the starting point.
386
00:18:15,442 --> 00:18:19,489
It was plausible that a
missile could have risen
387
00:18:19,576 --> 00:18:20,577
from the surface
and taken this plane out.
388
00:18:25,147 --> 00:18:26,235
- We do have some information
389
00:18:26,322 --> 00:18:28,150
that there was something
in the sky.
390
00:18:28,237 --> 00:18:30,935
A number of people
have seen it.
391
00:18:31,022 --> 00:18:33,547
A number of people have
described it very similarly.
392
00:18:33,634 --> 00:18:36,811
- And we seen this white light,
looked almost like a flare
393
00:18:36,898 --> 00:18:38,682
glowing in the sky.
394
00:18:38,769 --> 00:18:41,120
- Scores of witnesses
tell the same story.
395
00:18:41,207 --> 00:18:42,991
- It was going
on a downward trail,
396
00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:44,688
but very, very, slow.
397
00:18:44,775 --> 00:18:48,866
I mean, it was moving, like,
that slow.
398
00:18:48,953 --> 00:18:51,304
And then it just,
boom, just exploded.
399
00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:52,566
- What was it?
400
00:18:52,653 --> 00:18:54,524
- That is one of
the principle anomalies
401
00:18:54,611 --> 00:18:55,699
in this whole investigation.
402
00:18:55,786 --> 00:18:57,223
What was it?
403
00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:59,094
- There were some
eyewitness accounts
404
00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,052
that make it sound as if
405
00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:03,011
a missile
could have been involved.
406
00:19:03,098 --> 00:19:07,624
There is precious else
to support that at this stage.
407
00:19:07,711 --> 00:19:10,540
Nothing in the radar
leads anybody to believe
408
00:19:10,627 --> 00:19:11,976
that there was
a missile involved.
409
00:19:12,063 --> 00:19:16,590
- The CIA had a group
of their experts and analysts
410
00:19:16,677 --> 00:19:19,027
look at all of our
eyewitness accounts
411
00:19:19,114 --> 00:19:21,377
and apply science to it
412
00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:23,205
in terms of where
was this person standing,
413
00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:26,643
the distance from the horizon,
and they came to the conclusion
414
00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:29,559
that what they really saw
at that distance
415
00:19:29,646 --> 00:19:31,692
was the illusion
of something ascending.
416
00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:33,694
They really saw debris
descending and falling.
417
00:19:33,781 --> 00:19:35,478
- Falling, descending.
418
00:19:35,565 --> 00:19:37,524
- So that theory
was put to bed.
419
00:19:39,308 --> 00:19:42,311
- The investigation began
and lasted, in effect,
420
00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,444
for almost a year and a half.
421
00:19:53,061 --> 00:19:54,976
- And that's when
the FBI withdrew
422
00:19:55,063 --> 00:19:57,805
from the investigation,
turned it over to the NTSB,
423
00:19:57,892 --> 00:20:01,200
and let them
draw the final conclusion.
424
00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:03,680
- Each Boeing 747 is equipped
with seven fuel tanks,
425
00:20:03,767 --> 00:20:06,117
one in the belly
and three in each wing,
426
00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:09,425
and connected to the tanks are
14 electrically powered pumps.
427
00:20:09,512 --> 00:20:11,079
Some investigators suggest
428
00:20:11,166 --> 00:20:12,950
an electrical spark
coupled with a fuel leak,
429
00:20:13,037 --> 00:20:15,736
may have caused TWA 800
to explode.
430
00:20:15,823 --> 00:20:17,607
- And they drew the conclusion
431
00:20:17,694 --> 00:20:20,958
that the vapors in the center
wing tank had heated up
432
00:20:21,045 --> 00:20:23,961
and made those vapors
more volatile
433
00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,225
and that at a certain point,
434
00:20:26,312 --> 00:20:30,577
a spark ignited
the center wing tank
435
00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:34,058
and caused the catastrophic
breakup of the aircraft,
436
00:20:34,145 --> 00:20:36,365
so the NTSB
came to the conclusion,
437
00:20:36,452 --> 00:20:39,586
"Well, it must have
been some faulty wiring
438
00:20:39,673 --> 00:20:43,851
that caused the ignition,"
because this was an aged 747,
439
00:20:43,938 --> 00:20:45,809
one of the first ones
off the line.
440
00:20:48,769 --> 00:20:51,119
Because of the age
of the aircraft,
441
00:20:51,206 --> 00:20:54,122
there had to have been
some type of sparking event
442
00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:56,080
that created the ignition
for the explosion.
443
00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:01,999
That's our probable cause.
444
00:21:02,086 --> 00:21:04,828
Now again,
that standard is different
445
00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:07,266
from what the FBI
would be required to do.
446
00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:08,919
I'm not saying
that they were wrong,
447
00:21:09,006 --> 00:21:11,618
and I hesitate on saying this
in a public venue
448
00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,576
because there are still
families out there
449
00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:16,579
suffering from this,
but from my perspective,
450
00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:18,886
that's still
an unresolved question.
451
00:21:18,973 --> 00:21:21,149
There was a certain amount
of anomalies
452
00:21:21,236 --> 00:21:24,413
and strange phenomena
that occurred here
453
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:28,287
that created such a doubt
in my own mind
454
00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:31,420
that I cannot,
as a professional,
455
00:21:31,507 --> 00:21:35,642
accept that final cause
that's in the report.
456
00:21:35,729 --> 00:21:36,991
And that's all I'm gonna say.
457
00:21:37,078 --> 00:21:38,906
- Do you feel the same way,
Neil?
458
00:21:38,993 --> 00:21:40,386
'Cause you did not
come to any resolution.
459
00:21:40,473 --> 00:21:42,866
- It was very frustrating
460
00:21:42,953 --> 00:21:46,305
because we went down
so many avenues
461
00:21:46,392 --> 00:21:50,874
and were unable
to come to a conclusion
462
00:21:50,961 --> 00:21:54,051
and in the end, there were
these unanswered questions
463
00:21:54,138 --> 00:21:56,315
that sort of
left the doubt out there
464
00:21:56,402 --> 00:21:59,840
as to what actually
really caused this.
465
00:21:59,927 --> 00:22:01,842
- 16 buses
brought the families
466
00:22:01,929 --> 00:22:04,845
from Kennedy Airport
to the edge of the Atlantic,
467
00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:07,935
the ocean where they lost
their fathers and mothers,
468
00:22:08,022 --> 00:22:09,893
their sons and daughters,
469
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:14,158
and then everyone walked down
to the water's edge.
470
00:22:14,245 --> 00:22:17,205
Wreaths were rowed out
into the surf.
471
00:22:17,292 --> 00:22:20,295
Some mourners waded in
on their own,
472
00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:22,079
ankle-deep in the waters
473
00:22:22,166 --> 00:22:25,300
where many of their relatives
are still missing.
474
00:22:25,387 --> 00:22:29,870
They cast their sorrow
into the sea.
475
00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:48,018
- I've always said
from the beginning
476
00:22:48,105 --> 00:22:53,023
and I say it today
that we really don't know
477
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:57,680
what caused the demise
of these 230 lost souls
478
00:22:57,767 --> 00:23:02,555
in a very definitive,
final way.
479
00:23:02,642 --> 00:23:04,861
Having spent
a good deal of my life,
480
00:23:04,948 --> 00:23:08,169
17 1/2 months
on this investigation,
481
00:23:08,256 --> 00:23:13,043
it'll haunt me to my grave
not knowing in my own heart
482
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:15,176
what conclusively happened
to this plane.
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