All language subtitles for Secret.Space.Ufos.In.The.Beginning.2022.Part.1

(liquid sloshes)
(electronic jingle)

(glasses clink)

- [Controller] Okay,
all flight controllers,

go/no-go for landing: Retro?
- [Retro] Go.

- [Controller] Vital?
- [Vital] Go.

- [Controller] Guidance.
- [Guidance] Go.

- [Controller] Control?
- [Control] Go.

- [Controller] Tel-Comm?
- [Tel-Comm] Go.

- [Controller] GNC?
- [GNC] Go.

- [Controller] HE-Comm?
- [HE-Comm] Go.

- [Controller] Surgeon?
- [Surgeon] Go.

- [Controller] CapCom,
we're go for landing.

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- [Interviewer] With the Westall incident,

just tell us about what happened

and why it's important to the world.

- The Westall incident is
an absolutely fascinating

flying-saucer incident.

It's probably the largest mass-witness

skyline sighting of a flying saucer,

certainly in Australia,
and probably in the world.

On the 6th of April in 1966

in a place called Westall

in the Southeastern suburbs of Melbourne,

Australia's second-largest city,

at around 10:15 in the morning

some students who were
out on the playing field

at Westall High School
noticed just out of the blue

this flying-saucer-type object

appeared above them in the sky.

And within several minutes,
a huge number of the students

at both Westall High
School and the neighboring

primary school next door,
Westall State School,

witnessed this
flying-saucer-shaped object.

Some people say it was one.

Quite a few witnesses remember seeing

more than one, two or three

flying low in the sky
above two Westall schools.

And then the students,
once as the flying saucer

flew several hundred meters
to the south of the school

and disappeared behind
a grove of pine trees.

Because so many of the
students saw the flying saucer

going into the direction of
this place called The Grange.

And so many of the students
knew The Grange so well

because it was an area
very close to their school,

they did what they knew was very much

against the school rules: jumped
the school boundary fence,

raced over the road, and
chased after the flying saucer.

A small number of the
students were lucky enough

to arrive in time to see the flying saucer

still on the ground or at
least very close to the ground.

And they watched it as it lifted up,

tilted onto its side, and then flew off

at an incredible speed.

- [Interviewer] Are any of
those students alive today?

- Nearly all of those students

are still with us, still alive today.

I've been in touch with
almost 100 witnesses

who remember seeing the
flying saucer themselves.

About 150 students who remember seeing

the circles left behind
in the grass paddock

where the flying saucer came down.

And something like 60
students who were lucky enough

to have seen both of those things.

- [Interviewer] In the
history of this event

there was one individual, quite prolific,

Mr. Andrew, the science teacher.

Can you tell us a little
bit about his involvement?

And how it may have affected his life?

- Sure, well, Mr. Andrew Greenwood

was one of the two science teachers

at the school at the time.

There was a male teacher
and a female teacher.

Andrew Greenwood was
teaching science to a class

at the time when the
flying saucer appeared.

And a student rushed into
his class from outside,

a girl who had been doing
physical education at the time,

yelling out, "There's a
flying saucer outside!

"A flying saucer outside!"

After a few minutes, Andrew
gathered his class together

and went out to investigate himself.

And sure enough, getting
out onto the playing field

he saw a flying saucer for himself,

as did the students who
were in his science class.

Andrew was very much
affected by what he had seen.

He could clearly see what it was

that the students saw as well.

And about a week or two later,

there was a knock at his door at his home.

And he opened the door
to see two uniformed

Royal Australian Air Force
officers on his doorstep.

He thought, okay, they're coming around

to talk to me about what I've seen,

to take down more details
about what I'd seen.

But in fact, they'd come
around to do the very opposite.

They came around to say,
"Andrew, there are no such things

"as flying saucers, and we
don't want you talking again

"about what you say you saw.

"In fact, if you talk again to the media,"

at that point in time he had
spoken to the local newspaper,

and his accounts and his photograph

had appeared in the newspaper,

"If you talk again about
what you have seen,

"we will make sure that
you don't teach again

"in this state."

They were coming around to threaten him,

to put the hard word on him.

Now, obviously he was very shaken by this.

And he remembers thinking at the time,

if there are no such
things as flying saucers,

why are you two Air Force officers so keen

for me to not say that I've seen one?

Why are you two people so keen for me

not to talk about what I have seen?

(ominous music)

- [Narrator] Historically, if
you mentioned the term UFO,

you might've been mocked or ridiculed.

But by the year 2020, UFO
sightings have been reported

by tens of thousands of citizens

and by dozens of high-ranking NASA,

military, and other government officials.

And while the scientific
consensus might be

that we will one day find intelligent life

elsewhere in the universe,

lots of evidence suggests
that it has already found us.

Surprisingly, the
majority of UFO sightings

have taken place under
the Earth's atmosphere

closer to land than space.

- Before the first atom bomb went off,

we were using 5% of all the electricity

in the United States, this
is during the war mind you,

where electricity was at a premium

because you were manufacturing
guns, bullets, everything.

5% of all electrical
power in the United States

was being used to separate
uranium isotopes in secret.

In secret, for people to
say they can't keep secrets.

- [Narrator] Unidentified flying objects

most famously made their
media debut in the late 1940s

when atomic bombs were
used for the first time.

At that time, UFO's were
known as flying saucers.

And while some took the
phenomenon seriously,

the media and general public opinion

sort of went both ways with it.

(electricity whooshes)

- I explain them as hoaxes,

as erroneously identified
and friendly aircraft

or as light aberrations.

However, there have been
a certain percentage

of this volume of reports
that have been made

by credible observers, of
relatively incredible things.

- [Narrator] In 1952 Eisenhower
signed Executive Order 10501

that legally allows
any research, military,

or government agency to
safeguard sensitive information

from the public if that
information may be seen

as a threat of geopolitical
or geo-economic nature.

But in the year 1960, NASA
and the Brookings Institution

commissioned a report
titled, "The Proposed Studies

"on the Implications of
Peaceful Space Activities

"for Human Affairs."

The report is most famous
for a section titled:

The Implications of a Discovery
of Extraterrestrial Life.

This section examines the potential

implications of such a discovery.

Most notably, the idea
that such information

should be withheld from the public.

This was submitted to the
House of Representatives

in April of 1961.

If something can disturb the
peace or scare the public,

it could easily be deemed
worthy of a coverup

under the guise of national security.

This is why secret space theorists believe

the U.S. government has been
so tight-lipped about UFOs

and what we've really
found in outer space.

This full report is now part

of the United States Congressional Record.

- To our security.

A challenge that confronts
us in unaccustomed ways

in every sphere of human activity.

This deadly challenge
imposes upon our society

two requirements of direct concern,

both to the press and to the President.

Two requirements that may seem
almost contradictory in tone,

but which must be reconciled and fulfilled

if we ought to meet this national peril.

I refer first to the need

for far greater public information.

And second for the need for
far greater official secrecy.

The very word secrecy is repugnant

in a free and open society.

And we are as a people
inherently and historically

opposed to secret
societies, to secret oaths,

and to secret proceedings.

We decided long ago that the dangers

of excessive and unwarranted concealment

of pertinent facts, far
outweigh the dangers

which are cited to justify it.

- [Narrator] The term secret space

refers to a conspiracy
theory revolving around

mysterious anomalies in outer space.

Unidentified and scrutinized by civilians

and space research agencies,

these anomalies have been seen

around the vicinity of our planet

and throughout our solar system.

These include outer space UFOs,

unidentified lunar objects,

and unidentified Martian objects.

(curious music)

The term secret space also refers

to a possible space research program

that is not being disclosed

to the public and mainstream media.

- Are you working on anything top secret

that we can't know about yet?

- That's a good question.

A lot of people think that, but no,

everything, all these
investigations and experiments

we're working on that Peggy
was talking about earlier,

the scientists get all the data.

We're not keeping anything
from them or from anybody else.

There was a day where there were some

somewhat secret missions
back in the early days

of the space program, but not anymore.

We like to share our data

so that everybody on Earth can benefit.

- [Narrator] This secret research program

is allegedly being
conducted by space agencies

and military black-budget programs.

The theory that such things are going on

is as old as space travel itself.

- [Controller] Control.
- [Control] Go.

- [Controller] TEL-Comm.
- [TEL-Com] Go.

- [Controller] GNC.
- [GNC] Go.

- [Controller] HE-Comm.
- [He-Comm] Go.

- [Controller] Surgeon.
- [Surgeon] Go.

(rockets rumbling)

- [Narrator] During the space
race of the 1960s and '70s,

the United States was
racing to the finish line

to become the most
technologically advanced

capitalist society by landing on the Moon

and sending probes to Mars.

The U.S. and the USSR were both

launching impressive space
exploration endeavors

that led to some of the most
amazing feats in human history.

Landing a man on the
Moon, sending satellites

to take the world's first
close-up photographs of Mars.

This was the ultimate statement

of scientific and economic prosperity.

- There is no strife, no prejudice,

no national conflict
in outer space as yet.

Its hazards are hostile to us all.

Its conquest deserves
the best of all Mankind.

And its opportunity for
peaceful cooperation

may never come again.

But why, some say, the Moon?

Why choose this as our goal?

And they may well ask, why
climb the highest mountain?

Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic?

Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the Moon!
(crowd cheers)

We choose to go to the Moon.

(crowd applauds)

We choose to go to the Moon in this decade

and do the other things.

Not because they are easy,
but because they are hard.

Because that goal will serve
to organize and measure

the best of our energies and skills.

Because that challenge is one
that we're willing to accept.

One we are unwilling to postpone.

And one we intend to
win, and the others too.

(curious music)

- [Narrator] But while this went on,

strange things were reported by astronauts

and cosmonauts caught in
the middle of this race.

(mysterious music)

In order to understand,

one must start at the beginning

of Mankind's ventures into space.

(mysterious music)

- [Controller] Three, two, one,

zero, ignition.

And we have a lift off.

- Space is being explored
for the benefit of mankind.

- [Narrator] In May of 1963,

U.S. astronaut Gordon
Cooper made 22 flights

around the earth on the
Mercury IX spacecraft.

Flying over Australia,

over the city of Perth, he
reported that a greenish object

with a red tail was
approaching him along the way.

- I think they were
extraterrestrial pilots flying.

No doubt about it.

Well, that was, I was having some,

the cameraman found the installation

of a precision-landing
facility we were putting in

right on the edge of a dry lake.

And they saw us, we flew right over 'em,

and put down three little gear and landed

out on the dry lake bed.

And they went out there

and picked up their cameras

and moved on out toward him filming.

And he lifted off, put
the gear back in the well,

climbed out at a very high
rate of speed and disappeared.

And so, while I was going
through all the regulation books

and finding out the number to call

in Washington to report it,

I had him go and developed the film.

By the time he got back
with the developed film,

I was on the higher and higher and higher

level of officer talking to me.

Well anyway, the Colonel telling me to,

you know, when the film arrived at my desk

to put it in a courier pouch.

There would be a courier
there at my office

by that time already.

And they'd arranged for him
to fly in our base airplane

back to Washington with these films.

(mysterious music)

- [Narrator] June 3rd, 1965

Gemini IV made its first manned flight,

and pilot James McDivitt claimed

he saw something very unusual.

(mysterious music)

The Air Force claimed
that what McDivitt saw

was actually the Pegasus II satellite.

- [TV Host] General McDivitt,
have you ever seen a UFO?

- Yes, during my flight
on Gemini IV in 1965

I saw an object in space
fairly close to our spacecraft

that I could not identify.

It looked to me like maybe

the upper stage of another rocket.

I tried to take some pictures of it,

but unfortunately the pictures
did not come out properly.

We never were able to identify what it was

and all of our ground radar tracking data

indicated that there shouldn't have been

another object anywhere
near us at the time.

- [Gemini VII] Gemini VII here.

Houston, how do you read?

- [Houston] Loud and clear, VII, go ahead.

- [Gemini VII] We have a
bogey at 10 o'clock high.

- [Houston] This is Houston.

Say again, VII.

- [Gemini VII] I said we have
a bogey at 10 o'clock high.

- [Houston] Roger.

- [Gemini Control] Gemini
Control here, Captain.

The reference to that conversation

about the bogey.

A sighting was reported.

Sighting, the bogey.

(mysterious music)

- [Narrator] Also in 1965,
the ZOND 3 space probe

was part of Russia's Mars 3-MV project.

This satellite took many photographs

from the far side of the Moon,

looking back in Earth's direction.

In frame 25 we see in the photo

what appears to be a mysterious tower

on the horizon of the lunar landscape.

At the time this photo was taken,

the camera was 10,000 kilometers

from the surface of the Moon.

This allowed theorists
to estimate the structure

would stand at least 3.5 miles high.

There have been reports

that smaller structures
can also be seen nearby.

This tower has since been
dubbed The Tower of Babel.

NASA has never had an official
explanation for this object,

nor have the Russians.

In the early 2000s,
awhistleblower named Karl Wolfe

came out with a shocking
story about something

that happened to him in the late sixties.

Wolfe claimed to have worked
for the United States Air Force

as a photography technician.

- We also did gun camera

and reconnaissance film from C-130s,

all sorts of aircraft that were going into

combat situations; we
processed the film for that.

It was

1965.

My boss came to me, I was
working in a color lab

at that time, I was a technician,
photographic technician

with a background in electronics.

I've been trained in
electronic photographic repair.

At any rate, I was in a color lab one day

when my boss, Staff Sergeant
Taylor came over to me

and said that they were having
a problem with some equipment

on the base, and it was the
first Lunar Orbiter program,

where they had a mission to

pretty much locate the first landing sites

for the 1969 lunar mission
for the astronauts.

So, at any rate, he said they were having

some problem with the
equipment over there.

It was a similar equipment that we had.

It was computerized
content printing equipment.

And he wanted to know if I would go over

and take a look at it.

And he said to me, "It's an NSA facility."

And at the time I didn't
know what NSA was.

I was pretty naive and
I thought he said NASA.

So, in my mind, for a
long time I thought it was

a NASA facility that I'd gone to.

But I remembered him saying NSA

and converting it in my own mind to NASA.

- [Interviewer] And for
viewers, the NSA is?

- It's the National Security Agency.

- [Interviewer] How did
you get to be in a position

where you actually were
to deal with the material

we are about to discuss?

- I was asked to go over to this facility

on Langley Air Force
Base, where the NSA was

bringing in the information
from the Lunar Orbiter.

And so I packed up some
tools, I went over.

So, they took me into this laboratory.

I took a look at the equipment.

There was an Airman Second Class in there.

I was an Airman Second Class as well.

He turned the equipment on

and put it through its paces.

It didn't do what it was supposed to do.

I saw what was going on with it.

I said, "I need to do some
troubleshooting on it."

It had little printed circuit boards in it

with discrete components.

At that time, it was before
we had integrated circuits.

So, while I'm in there, I said to him

that I'm really fascinated
with this process.

How did they get the images
from the Lunar Orbiter

to the laboratory here?

And he went through the whole process,

describing how the
various radio telescopes

around the world were linked,

and they telemetered the
data into Langley Field.

And at the time, I didn't
know what the real purpose

of this dark room and this
operation in this facility was.

I thought this was where they
were bringing the data in

and then releasing the
images to the public.

I had no idea that there
were other issues involved

in this facility.

So, he starts telling me
all of this information.

And I knew that what we were
doing was classified anyway

and that he could only
share a certain level

of what he was doing with me

because of the compartmentalize
nature of our jobs.

At any rate,

you know, he told me
how everything worked.

He showed me the equipment where

the digital information came in,

where it was converted
to photographic images.

They were doing 35-millimeter
strips of film at that time,

which were then assembled

into 18 and 1/2 by 11-inch
mosaics they were called.

There was a digital
signature and a gray scale

on every 35-millimeter strip.

And those strips were
from successive passes

around the Moon, and they would take

and build up a photograph.

They would scan one section
of Moon then another

and another, and then they
would get a larger image.

So, this mosaic then would be
put in that contact printer.

And that was then a print
that was issued to whomever:

the press, the scientist, whatever,

wherever that was intended to go.

So, he was showing me
how all of this worked.

And we walked over to one
side of the lab and he said,

"By the way, we've discovered a base

"on the backside of the Moon."

And I said, "Who's?" (chuckles)

"What do you mean, who's?"

He said, "Yes, we've discovered a base

"on the back side of the Moon."

And at that point I
become became frightened.

And I was a little terrified

thinking to myself that if
anybody walks in the room now,

I know we're in jeopardy, we're in trouble

because he shouldn't be
giving this information.

I was fascinated by it, but I also knew

that he was overstepping a boundary

that he shouldn't be stepping over.

And then he pulled out
one of these mosaics

and showed this base,
which had geometric shapes.

There were towers, there
were spherical buildings.

There were very tall towers
and things that looked

somewhat like radar dishes,
but they were large structures.

So, it was rare that someone
would do something like this,

but this fellow and I were the same rank.

I think he was very distressed.

He had the same pallor and demeanor

as the scientists outside of the room.

They were just as concerned as he was.

And he needed to discuss it with somebody.

So, that was the end of it right there.

I didn't take it any further than that.

You know, I just filed it away.

But the interesting thing,
every day that I went home,

I would think to myself,

I can't wait to hear
about this on the news.

(chuckles) You know?

And you know, so, I'd turn on the TV

and I'd look at the news to
see if they're gonna announce

we've discovered a base on
the backside of the Moon.

Being really naive, you know? (chuckles)

And of course here it
is 30-some years later

and we still haven't heard about it.

- [Narrator] Another now famous
unidentified lunar object

was spotted by the Lunar
Orbiter III in February of 1967.

A total of 149 medium-resolution

and 477 high-resolution frames

were returned from this mission.

And in one composite image,

an object known as The Shard can be seen.

This object is supposedly
located between the Bruce Crater

and the Sinus Medii Mare
Plain area of the Moon.

NASA has never acknowledged this anomaly,

but www.livescience.com purports

that The Shard image was doctored

by popular secret space
theorist Richard Hoagland.

However, amateur astronomers

have found The Shard themselves,

suggesting it actually
exists in the images.

When looked at from another angle,

a similar-sized shadow can
be seen from the object.

- [Amateur Astronomer] So,
where did I find the shot?

Well, I found it at the Lunar
Reconnaissance Orbiter images

on the L-R-O-C browser,

and this is the area we're gonna focus on.

It's not round, it's cube, cubic.

And here we see the shadow again.

- [Narrator] The Apollo cover story

was specifically designed
to allow those missions

to be conducted in the public eye

while at the same time
actively concealing the fact

that evidence of intelligent
extraterrestrial life

had been discovered in
space and on the Moon.

The scripting protocols followed
during the Apollo program

were for the most part highly effective

at ensuring the astronauts did not divulge

any sensitive information
while they communicated

over the public radio
channel with Houston.

However, when the astronauts
were not in radio contact

with Mission Control-

- [Astronaut] Take on to Bravo, Johnny.

- [Johnny] Roger.

- [Astronaut] There we go.

- [Mitchell] Well, let's see.

We've had visitors again.

- [Shepard] Yeah.

Hardly worth mentioning.

- [Mitchell] Agreed.

- [Narrator] These comments were captured

by a device mounted inside the Apollo CSM

that was known as the Data
Storage Equipment recorder.

- [Astronaut] It's a very fantastic view

to see the terminator as you
look along the edge of it.

I think you would agree
that some of these craters

that you're seeing in the picture now

are really accentuated by the lengthening

of the shadows as we
approach the terminator.

- [Shepard] They're very beautiful.

- [Narrator] In addition
to recording a variety

of spacecraft parameters,
the DSE's 14-track tape

also recorded many
internal crew conversations

that took place when the astronauts

were not communicating
with mission control.

Unfortunately, NASA
claims that the original

Apollo DSE black box tapes are missing

and presumed lost or destroyed.

The DSE recordings were
transcribed, however,

and although they were
originally classified,

those transcripts can today
be found in the NASA archives.

Listen as Jack Schmitt,
the only ASTRO geologist

to go to the Moon makes
a less-than-cryptic joke

to Houston regarding
the boulders on the Moon

he has just been told
to keep an eye out for.

- [Schmitt] We're almost to that rise.

- [Houston CapCom] You
ought to be in the vicinity

of some very large boulders.

- [Schmitt] Houston, there's a...

There certainly are a lot
of big boulders, wink.

(mysterious music)

- [Astronaut] Hey, I just saw
a flash on the lunar surface.

- [Houston CapCom] Oh yeah?

- [Astronaut] They were
just right out there

north of Grimaldi.

- [Narrator] December, 1968.

Apollo VIII is the
first human space flight

to orbit the Moon.

Astronaut James Lowell
observed the dark side,

typically not visible from Earth.

Some people think this is when
Lowell saw something unusual.

Because he had this to say over the radio.

- [Houston] Hello, Apollo VIII.

Loud and clear.

- [Lowell] Roger.

Please be informed,
there is a Santa Claus.

- [Narrator] Some people
believe the mention

of Santa Claus was code for
sightings of aliens or UFOs.

A Canadian independent space researcher

named Cary Martynuik has
assembled a high volume

of credible secret space
and UFO-related data

from the Apollo era.

- [Cary] We're gonna help
uncover some of that today.

I've been researching this subject matter

for over a decade now.

And whether it's photographic
or video evidence

or transcript evidence.

Today I wanted to give you a closer look

at a very brief segment of 16-millimeter

DAC motion picture footage
from the NASA archives

that was originally shot
back in July of 1969

during the flight of Apollo 11.

And the footage was taken through

one of the windows of the
command service module

during what was called
the Trans-Lunar coast,

or TLC Phase of the mission.

And this was the three-day period

when the astronauts were crossing

the almost 400,000-kilometer
Cis-Lunar void

that separates our Earth from the Moon.

And at some point during
this outbound journey

through Cis-Lunar space, one
of the Apollo 11 astronauts

did some unscheduled shooting

with the 16-millimeter
DAC motion picture camera.

And in the process managed to film

several unidentified objects
outside their spacecraft.

And to show you what I mean,
let's first just have a look

at the raw segment of footage
exactly as it's archived

and shown by NASA in
their Apollo archives.

And I'll warn you, though, that
this raw segment of footage

is very brief and the scene
it shows is very unstable.

So, don't blink or you might miss it.

Here's the clip.

While this particular clip
has been digitally archived

by NASA so that when played back,

it appears to be about
one second in duration,

it is not actually showing us

a one-second period of
time caught on film.

This clip we're examining here is actually

time-compressed stop-motion footage.

And in this case, the
sequence is comprised

of 11 individual distinct
frames 16-millimeter film

that were originally exposed
at one frame per second

intervals over a period of 11 seconds.

And this type of stop-motion
filming was possible

because the Maurer
16-millimeter DAC that was used

throughout the Apollo program was in fact

a variable-frame-rate
motion picture camera

that was capable of shooting

at four different preset exposure speeds.

Either one, six, 12, or
24 frames per second.

And in the case of this footage,

rather than archiving it at the correct

one-frame-per-second playback speed,

they instead incorrectly
archive the sequence

as if it had been shot at 12
frames per second instead.

So, this means that NASA actually present

this stop-motion sequence in such a way

that it is being shown at a playback rate

that's 12 times faster than

what the frames were actually exposed at.

However, this segment of
footage does provide us

with a known stationary object
within the field of view.

One of the RCS quad
thrusters on the Lunar Module

is visible outside the window

in all 11 frames of this sequence.

So, using that RCS quad
thruster as our target object,

we can stabilize a short sequence

and effectively cancel
out that camera shake.

And in the now-stabilized
version of the scene,

you see that the RCS quad thruster

has been specifically targeted
so that it now remains

locked in place throughout the duration

in the 11-frame sequence.

And with the shake removed,
you can now see more clearly

that the several unidentified objects

are moving around outside the window.

Now, unfortunately, due to the stop-motion

one-frame-per-second
nature of this footage

and the fact that the camera was handheld,

there is significant
object movement that occurs

between each frame that
was not caught on film.

Whatever these objects are,

they are clearly flying free in space.

And we can say with certainty

that they are definitely not any

declared satellites or known debris.

We don't know what they
are, where they came from,

how they got there, where they're going,

or what they're doing there.

And that by definition puts them

into the category of being unidentified.

- There's an enormous volume of data

that the skeptics refuse to consider.

Mr. Klass, for example, in three books,

it doesn't even mention the largest study

ever done about flying
saucers, because the data in it

clearly contradict the
pronouncements that he makes.

- I'll tell you what, make it
easy on me again, Mr. Klass.

The object that was moving
at an apparent speed

of 1000 miles an hour versus-
- Ted, I cannot identify it

off the top of my head.

All I can say is that in
your seven-minute intro here,

there were any number of those cases

that have been explained.

Several of the photos were hoaxes.

- Okay, but before we
run out of time here,

what we're dealing with, and
again, that's why the public,

I think, gloms onto
this as much as it does,

here we have a couple of pilots.

I mean, these were experienced observers,

especially about things like that.

Doesn't that cause you to
wonder just a little bit?

- No, it doesn't because
the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek

did an analysis of pilot reports

in the Air Force files and found

that in terms of
misidentifying prosaic objects

like stars and balloons, that pilots,

military and airline pilots were no better

than ordinary civilians.

Being a pilot does not improve
your powers of perception.

- When a debunker says,
"No pictures can withstand

"careful investigation by
confident investigators,"

we got to throw in the competence there,

what it means is he hasn't
looked at the evidence.

There is, there are pictures

that have been validated
by scientific groups.

One of the best photo analysts
is Dr. Bruce Maccabee.

Got a PhD in physics,
he's an optical physicist.

Worked for a Navy
research lab for 30 years.

He has found several pictures
that he has looked at

very carefully with the
best tools available

to anybody studying
optical phenomenon stuff,

and found several that
will withstand examination.

To make proclamations
about what's impossible

from people who haven't studied
the things in that field

is pretty darn foolish.

(mysterious music)

- [Narrator] The following
conversations took place

after CDR Stafford and LMP Cernan

had separated Snoopy from Charlie Brown

and were in the midst of conducting

their landing dress rehearsal flight plan

behind the lunar far side.

Note that this DSEA transcription covers

both internal LM conversations
between Stafford and Cernan

as well as their radio
dialogue with CMP John Young,

who was flying solo in
the CSM Charlie Brown.

(ominous music)

- [Apollo] Apollo X, Houston.

Two minutes to LOS.

Everybody here says Godspeed.

- [Apollo] Okay, and we'll see you

right on the other side in orbit.

- [Houston] Roger.

- [Narrator] Just to be clear,

the astronauts are discussing a noise

they're suddenly hearing behind
the far side of the Moon.

Note that the music is being
heard in both spacecraft

by all three astronauts at the same time.

(ominous music)

- [Houston CapCom] We are getting data.

We don't have any voice communication yet.

(static hisses)

Hello, Apollo team.

Houston, over.

- [Apollo] Roger, Houston, Apollo 10.

- [Reporter] Voices reportedly
were heard in May, 1969

by the Apollo 10 astronauts
as they circled the Moon.

The sounds, which lasted about an hour,

were recorded and transmitted
to Mission Control in Houston.

- [Astronaut] That music even sounds

outer spacey, doesn't it?

Do you hear that, that whistling sound?

(eerie whistling)
(Astronaut vocalizing)

- [Narrator] Independent space
researcher Cary Martynuik,

he would want you to know
that a whole lot more

of his evidence has been
supposedly sanitized

or doctored by NASA and
the Department of Defense.

A mountain of film and
photographic materials

from Apollo missions.

Some of the greatest
anomalies to have come out

of early space missions would
undoubtedly present themselves

during the Apollo era.

(mysterious music)

- [Houston CapCom] Goldstone
MNO, Houston CapCom.

Could you put the TV down on this place.

- [Goldstone] CapCom, Goldstone, roger.

- [Houston CapCom] Houston
CapCom, Goldstone MNO net one.

- [Goldstone] Go.

- [Houston CapCom] The TV
people do not have access

to net one in that area.

Suggest we use net two for that purpose.

- [Goldstone] Okay, going to net two.

- [Houston CapCom] Hello,
Apollo XI, Houston.

Please select omni-bravo on board, over.

- [Apollo XI] Take onto bravo, Johnny.

- [Johnny] Roger.

- [Houston CapCom] Okay,
XI, we have a picture.

We see there it's right in the
center of the screen, over.

- [Apollo XI] Roger, Houston, Apollo XI.

Calling in from about 130,000 miles out.

- [Houston CapCom] We can see

the oceans with

a definite blue gap.

We see white bands of
major cloud formations

across the Earth.

And we can see

coastlines.

- [Cary] Apollo XI
astronaut Edwin Buzz Aldrin,

the second man to walk on the Moon,

has actually given an
interview where he confirmed

that certain segments
of his Apollo mission

were indeed carefully scripted

to control exactly what
the public saw and heard.

Back in 2003, Aldrin was
interviewed for Neil Armstrong's

only authorized biography,
and during that interview

he was asked about whether
some of the live television

transmissions that were made
from the CSM during the flight

really were improvised and unscripted.

And in response Aldrin first admits

that NASA "Went to great lengths"

to make sure that they
appeared unscripted.

And he then goes on to say the following.

And I'll quote Aldrin directly here.

"The fact is, they were
carefully planned in advance.

"And for me, the exact
words were written down

"on little cards stuck onto
the panel in front of us."

During the Apollo program,
the Moonwalking astronauts

wore a small booklet that
was attached to the wrist

of their space suit, designed to serve

as a quick reference timeline and schedule

of lunar surface operations checklist.

And here are the last two
pages from Apollo 12 Commander

Pete Conrad's actual flown
EVA wrist cuff checklist

that he wore during his two Moonwalks.

This pair of pages obviously
written before the mission

and easily accessible to him
while on the lunar surface

were clearly meant to provide
Conrad with pre scripted,

already sanitized geologic or selenologic

phrasing suggestions,
reminding him to keep

any descriptions he gives
over the public radio loop

censored so they focus
on geologic aspects only.

And there is no other reason for Conrad

to have sanitized script notes
describing his landing site

in his checklist during these Moonwalks.

- [Houston CapCom] Do we copy?

- [Astronaut] It's a
pretty good little jump.

- [Reporter] So there's
a foot on the Moon,

stepping down on the Moon.

If he's testing that first step,

he must be stepping down
on the Moon at this point.

Armstrong is on the Moon, Neil Armstrong.

38-year-old American, standing
on the surface of the Moon.

On this July 20th, 1969.

- [Armstrong] That's one
small step for a man.

One giant leap for Mankind.

- Hello, Neil and Buzz.

I'm talking to you by telephone

from the Oval Room at the White House.

And this certainly has
to be the most historic

telephone call ever made
from the White House.

I just can't tell you how proud we all are

of what you have done.

For every American, this has to be

the proudest day of our lives.

And for people all over the world,

I am sure that they
too join with Americans

in recognizing what an
immense feat this is.

Because of what you have done,

the heavens have become
a part of Man's world.

And as you talk to us from
the Sea of Tranquility,

it inspires us to redouble our efforts

to bring peace and tranquility to Earth.

(futuristic music)

- [Astronaut] I'm trying to
cheat and look out there.

I think I see my crater.

- [Houston CapCom] Your LPD?

- [Astronaut] I'm not sure.

- [Houston CapCom] Coming through seven.

P-64, Pete.

- [Astronaut] P-64.

That's it, there's LPD.

- [Houston CapCom] Roger, copy, P-64.

- [Astronaut] That was an update.

Hey there it is!

There it is, oh my God, right
down the middle of the road.

- [Houston CapCom] Outstanding!

42 degrees, Pete.

- [Astronaut] Hey, we're beside it.

Right by that crater, look out there.

I can't believe it.

Amazing!

- [Cary] During the November,
1969 flight of Apollo 12,

NASA's official historical
record has always told us

that Mission Commander Charles Pete Conrad

and Lunar Module pilot Alan Bean

touched down at their lunar landing site

known as Statio Cognitium,
which is located

on the eastern edge of Oceanus Procellarum

or the ocean of storms.

And from NASA's official
storyline we are told

that the pair of astronauts
conducted two EVAs

on the lunar surface during
your 31.5-hour stay on the Moon.

- [Bean] Okay, Pete!

- [Conrad] That may have
been a small one for Neil,

but that's a long one for me.

- [Cary] Today we will
examine some very relevant

NASA archive evidence
related to this flight.

And I will demonstrate to you
that NASA's official claim

that only two EVAs took place

during the Apollo 12 mission is a lie.

Before going any further,
I think it's important

that we make sure that
everyone appreciates

the distinction between a
Moonwalk EVA and a Standup-EVA.

So, first we'll take a quick look

at exactly what the difference is

between those two extra-vehicular
activity types are.

It's important for us to remember here

that the Grumman Lunar Modules used

throughout the Apollo program
did not utilize airlocks

to allow the astronauts
to conduct EVA operations.

They instead had ingress/egress hatches,

a pair of hatches on each
Lunar Module, in fact.

The hatch the astronauts used
after landing on the Moon

in order to get from
the interior crew cabin

of the LM down to the lunar surface

so that they could conduct their Moonwalks

was a quadrangle hatch that
was located on the forward,

or what was in NASA speak known

as the +Z side of the spacecraft.

When the astronauts were inside
the LM on the lunar surface

and wanted to conduct a Moonwalk,

they would first don their
space suits and then put on

and connect themselves
to their PLSS backpacks,

the personal life support system backpacks

which contained the astronauts'
primary and emergency

O2 breathing supplies and CO2 scrubbers,

water tanks to feed their
liquid-cooled LCVG underwear

they wore to prevent
hyperthermic overheating,

as well as the radio communications gear

that allowed them to talk to
each other and mission control

in Houston when they were
outside on the lunar surface.

After doning the pressure
suits and their PLSS packs,

they would then put on
their pressure helmets,

LEVA helmet visor assemblies
and EV pressure gloves,

and pressurize their space suits

with O2 directly from the PLSS backpacks.

And once that was done, they
depressurized the crew cabin

in the lunar module using a dump valve

on the inside of the hatch to
evacuate the roughly 4.6 PSI

internal atmospheric
pressure inside the LM

until it equalized with the near vacuum

external environmental conditions
out on the lunar surface.

They then cracked open the +Z hatch.

And once that inward-opening
quadrangle hatch was ajar,

the astronauts one at a
time would then crouch down

and back their way out of
the spacecraft feet first,

moving out onto the porch area of the LM,

still some 12 feet above the Lorraine,

before finally descending
the nine-rung ladder

down to the lunar surface to actually

start getting your feet
dirty in the regolith.

The second hatch on the LM

was the circular overhead docking hatch

located on the top or what was called

the +X side of the spacecraft.

And this hatch was the one which

the command service module would dock with

and remain attached to during
the trans-lunar injection,

trans-lunar coast phases of the mission,

as well as during on-orbit
operations above the Moon

prior to LM separation and powered descent

or after Lunar rendezvous.

And this +X topside overhead
hatch was primarily used

during the Apollo program
for transferring crew

and equipment between the LM and the CSM

when the two craft were docked at space.

But when the LM was down on the
lunar surface after landing,

this +X overhead hatch could
be, and occasionally was

used for conducting standup
extra-vehicular activities.

One more simple but powerful
influence that played a role

in NASA's decision to conduct
this covert S-EVA during

Apollo 12 dealt with maximizing
the propaganda benefits.

The Apollo 12 mission took place

during the heart of the
Cold War in 1969, remember.

And we know that prior to the flight,

NASA had very publicly billed that mission

as being a demonstration
of the LM's precision

site targeting and touchdown capabilities.

So, conducting this S-EVA covertly

would let NASA maximize
the positive propaganda

if the landing was found to be on target,

while also giving them a
headstart to begin mitigating

any negative media fallout
if the covert S-EVA

had revealed that they
touched down too far away

from the Surveyor III
Lander to make the traverse

over to it, like they had planned to do.

- For the eyes of the
world now look into space,

to the Moon and to the planets beyond.

And we have vowed that we
shall not see it governed

by a hostile flag of conquest,

but by a banner of freedom and peace.

We avow that we shall not see space

filled with weapons of mass destruction,

but with instruments of
knowledge and understanding.

Yet the vows of this nation
can only be fulfilled

if we in this nation are first,

and therefore we intend to be first.

- [Cary] Thankfully
for us, a few years ago

NASA actually slipped up
and they got a little sloppy

with their sanitizing
and censorship protocols,

resulting in the space agency
accidentally publishing

classified information within

an unclassified public archive document,

confirming the fact that
astronauts Conrad and Bean

did indeed conduct not two but three EVAs

during the Apollo 12 mission.

Back in September of 2006,
an analysis was published

in the NASA archives that was titled,

"The Apollo Experience Lessons Learned

"for Constellation Lunar Dust Management."

And this document, as its title suggests,

deals with examining lunar
dust management issues

that were experienced
throughout the course

of the six declared Apollo
lunar landing missions,

highlighting concerns
that need to be recognized

and evaluated in order to
better aid in preparation

for any potential future
missions to the Moon.

On page nine of this document,

under the header of Surface Obscuration

During Descent, Observations,

we discover this rather
interesting paragraph

that slipped past the NASA sensors.

"The blowing dust caused
by the Apollo 12 LM landing

appears to have been worse
than that of Apollo 11.

In fact, a standup
extra vehicular activity

was performed by the
crew to assess the site

prior to performing lunar surface EVAs

because blowing dust completely obscured

the view during landing.

Now, if you have even a basic appreciation

of the Apollo 12 missions'

publicly-declared lunar
surface events timeline,

you can look at this paragraph

and see that something is
very clearly amiss here.

Because at least according to
the official historical record

that you've always been
fed by NASA in the past,

there was no Standup-EVA conducted

during the Apollo 12 mission.

Yet this NASA document
published a few short years ago

in their public archives
directly references

this event that occurred
back in November of 1969,

blatantly admitting that
it did indeed happen.

First off, it's important to establish

that what you see here
cannot be explained away

as a simple misprint or an
accidental typo of some kind.

This document does not
merely just acknowledge

that a Standup-EVA did take place

during the Apollo 12
mission, but in essence

it provides us triple confirmation

of this fact, revealing
not only that this S-EVA

did indeed occur, but
also briefly declaring

when they did it and
why they had to do it.

And the inclusion of those
three key related points

within this one paragraph
rules out the possibility

that what you're seeing
here can be accounted for

or explained away as being a simple

erroneous misprint of some kind.

When it came time to actually
conduct their covert S-EVA,

Conrad and Bean used one
of the hatch dump valves

to evacuate the internal
LM atmospheric pressure

just as they would do his
final prep for a Moonwalk EVA.

Commander Conrad then
reached over his head

and cracked open the overhead +X hatch,

swinging it inward on his hinges

where it was latched and locked
in the full open position.

And due to the dimensions of the +X hatch,

only one astronaut at a time could take in

this impressive view of their landing site

from the roof of the LM.

First Commander Pete Conrad and then

Lunar Module pilot Alan
Bean, one at a time

would step up and stand
on the engine cover

for the ascent propulsion system, the APS

that sticks up from
the floor in the center

of the LM crew cabin so it was much like

standing on a bench or a low table.

And this allowed them
to gain enough height

to poke their upper body out
through the +X overhead hatch

and let them take in the full
360-degree panoramic vista

from the roof of their spacecraft

over seven meters above the Lorraine.

This excellent high-ground
viewpoint atop the LM

allowed Conrad and Bean to
take in the lay of the land

and have a good look around
at the Statio Cognitum site,

getting their bearings and allowing them

to identify their exact
touchdown location.

And of course take plenty of photographs

with the Hasselblad
70-millimeter HTC camera as well.

And those film magazines,
because they were exposed

during a covert, off-the-record S-EVA

were never publicly declared
or cataloged after the mission.

So, the public has been denied
that Apollo 12 S-EVA imagery,

and it remains classified
top secret to this day.

Just prior to the covert S-EVA commencing,

the following exchange
over the public radio loop

took place between CapCom Jerry Carr

and Apollo 12 Commander Pete Conrad,

with Carr telling Conrad
that they had apparently

finally finished the platform alignment.

- [Carr] Intrepid, Houston.

The computer is yours.

- [Conrad] Roger.

- [Carr] You have a new
RLS and state vector.

- [Conrad] Thank you.

- [Cary] Immediately after Conrad says

the words "Thank you," this is followed

by an extended and rather bizarre

dead-air period of 18
minutes and 45 seconds,

where there is absolutely nothing heard

from the two astronauts
on the lunar surface

over the public radio loop.

You can confirm this in the official

Apollo 12 mission audio
file in the NASA archives,

a waveform analysis which
we're looking at right now.

The area you see highlighted in blue here

is covering the full dead-air period.

This is where Conrad and
Bean were actually conducting

the covert Standup-EVA.

And just to clarify, the wave form spikes

that you see occurring
within this timeframe,

highlighted in yellow here, are not due

to communications from the lunar surface.

Those waveforms are
denoting radio voice traffic

between mission control
and the third astronaut,

Command Module pilot, Dick Gordon,

who you will remember was
actually on orbit above the Moon

in the Command Service Module,
call sign Yankee Clipper

while Conrad and Bean were
down on the lunar surface.

- [Carr] Yankee Clipper, Houston.

The CMC is yours.

- [Gordon] Roger, Jerry, thank you.

How are things going on the surface?

- [Carr] They're doing great, Dick.

- [Cary] The area highlighted in blue here

is showing the full segment of dead air

along the mission timeline.

And you can see that during
that segment of time,

the astronauts were
officially supposed to be

describing and photographing
the lunar surface

over the public radio loop.

All the public got to hear during

that period was dead air, though.

The fact is, Conrad and Bean
were describing Statio Cognitum

and were taking photographs

during this public blackout period,

but they were doing it secretly
over the private radio loop

while conducting their covert S-EVA.

For any Apollo crew to be able
to covertly conduct this type

of off-the-record
operation during a mission

without the public knowing about it

would have to mean that
NASA must've possessed

some kind of technical
capability that allowed

mission control to carry out
secret radio communications

with the astronauts
when they were in space

or on the lunar surface.

Unfortunately, many
people still seem to be

under the erroneous impression
that the NASA archives

offer the public a 100%
complete and unedited record

of all radio traffic
between the astronauts

and mission control
during the Apollo program.

And people think that
because NASA over the decades

has led you to believe that
their lunar explorations

had nothing to hide from the public

and were entirely transparent,
uncensored affairs.

And that is simply not true.

Just to quickly prove to you right now

that this covert-comms
capability did exist

and was employed during
the Apollo program,

we can take a quick look
at a couple of brief quotes

from Apollo astronaut Eugene Cernan

that he published in his autobiography,

"The Last Man on the Moon,"
where he blatantly admits

to the existence and use
of the private radio loop

that let him secretly
talk with mission control

at least twice during his Apollo 17

mission to Taurus-Littrow.

"Stripped down to our
liquid-cooled underwear,

"we had a quick dinner,
debriefed with the guys on Earth

"via a private radio loop, and
played with some of the rocks

"we had stowed in the cabin boxes."

In this next quote
Cernan describes another

brief conversation over
the radio that he had

following the end of the
second lunar surface EVA.

And the conversation
Cernan is referencing here

was between himself and NASA's Director

of Flight Crew Operations
back at mission control,

a man by the name of Deke Slayton.

And Cernan was concerned
here about the fact

that prior to their flight,
the Palestinian terrorist group

Black September had actually
made several threats

towards the Apollo 17 mission
and the astronauts' families.

And with the recent Munich massacre

at the 1972 Olympic Summer
Games just a few months prior

no doubt still in the back of his mind,

Cernan wanted to make sure that his family

was safe while he was on the Moon.

And here is how Cernan
described this brief

off-the-record radio conversation

that he had with Deke Slayton.

"After we had some chow and settled down,

"Deke told me on a private radio loop

"that everything was fine at home.

"'I talked to Barbara
and she said everything

"'is okay' he said.

"Not a peep from Black September."

An examination of the Apollo
17 lunar surface mission tapes

and voice transcripts in
the NASA public archives

clearly demonstrates that these
private radio conversations

that Cernan describes in his autobiography

were never officially
recorded or transcribed

onto the public record
in the Apollo 17 mission.

So we can state with certainty

that these secret voice
transmissions did happen

and were deliberately censored by NASA

and sanitized from the official
public record entirely.

The only reason we know
that these conversations

in fact did take place is
because astronaut Gene Cernan

openly admitted to it, confirming
both the existence and use

of this private radio loop
during the Apollo program.

We know that this Standup-EVA
had not been a part

of the publicized pre-mission flight plan.

So, the fact was it was simply not a part

of the Apollo 12 public script.

And make no mistake, the Apollo missions

were heavily-scripted,
highly-censored affairs.

What the public has been told
about those amazing missions

to the Moon was merely a sanitized,

censored version of what
was really going on,

what was really being said,

and what was really being
seen and filmed up there.

- [Cernan] Man, you talk about

a mysterious-looking place.

- [Schmitt] They can cut some
parts of those pictures out

and make a nice photograph! (chuckles)

- [Cary] So, there were
indeed sanitizing methods

or pre-planned scripting that was going on

during the Apollo program to help control

exactly what the public saw and heard.

And this kind of censorship
during those lunar missions

happened a lot more than
most people are aware.

We're just scratching the
surface of that subject here.

- [Narrator] This could all be an effort

to keep the public from seeing more

about what is really going on in space.

(dramatic music)

(mysterious music)

- One question has lingered

in our consciousness for decades now.

Why haven't we been to
the Moon since 1972?

- Why do you think it didn't happen?

- Well, there's overwhelming
proof that it didn't happen.

There's people researching this topic.

- [TV Host] On July 20th,
1969, one of the most momentous

events in human history occurred:
People walked on the Moon.

Eventually the United States
completed six Moon landings

and then we suddenly stopped.

- If men really did walk on
the Moon in the 1960s and '70s,

we'd have been back by now!

Therefore we've never been to the Moon.

Well, no.

- Human space flight programs since Apollo

have made up the majority
of the NASA budget.

And the majority of those programs

are performed by aerospace contractors.

- [Interviewer] This is Lori Garver.

She was the Deputy Administrator

for NASA under President Obama.

Lori says those contracts
have been so long-lived,

that they've locked NASA
into certain technologies,

mindsets, and dollars.

- No one wanted to compete and competition

is where you drive down cost.

- [Narrator] The official
explanation for our long absence

from the Moon is apparently very simple.

Going to the Moon is expensive.

And more evidence is mounting
that private companies

such as SpaceX may be the
first to return us to the Moon.

And furthermore land a
manned mission on Mars.

But secret space theory purports
that there's something else

making matters more complicated.

Some believe we have been
warned away from the Moon

by extra terrestrials.

Some believe we are
still going to the Moon

and the public isn't being told about it.

- Did legendary filmmaker Stanley Kubrick,

who directed such
masterpieces as "The Shining,"

"Full Metal Jacket,"
and "Dr. Strange Love"

help perpetrate an Apollo 11
Moon landing hoax for NASA?

- [Narrator] Some people
believe that undisclosed

advanced technologies such as antigravity

are being employed to carry out

some of these secret space endeavors.

- [Interviewer] So does
the science support

that aliens could travel here?

- The studies on interstellar travel,

and I know something about them

because I worked on those studies.

The science and technology
that we know a great deal about

tells us that if you
play your cards right,

you can go to the stars.

It's gonna cost a
tremendous amount of money.

I'm not saying this is easy.

Look, if I told you
about an aircraft carrier

that could operate for 18
years without refueling,

you'd say, "You're crazy, man!"

If I told you that 50 years ago.

But it's real.

But I'm saying with what we know,

even though we haven't done it yet,

technological progress comes from

doing things differently
in an unpredictable way.

The future is not an
extrapolation of the past.

This camera,

if you told somebody you
could do what this thing does

70 years ago, he'd of
laughed his head off.

So, we have examples in our own life,

which today's generation
doesn't know what we did before.

You know,

gigabytes, come on, what are
you talking about? (chuckles)

- [Narrator] And while
there are varying degrees

to the validity of some of these theories,

the fact is there have
been unexplained anomalies

throughout our history of space travel.

- Top astronomer in the United States

said if there was one
thing he was sure of,

man would never fly any
distance in a vehicle.

This was two months before

the Wright brothers' first flight.

Top English astronomer, astronomer royal

in 1956, an interview in
Time magazine, mind you,

said "Space travel is utter bilge.

"Nobody would pay for it,
what good would it do?

"What we need is better
tools for astronomy."

Sputnik went up the next year.

The field that has benefited
the most from space,

scientific field is
astronomy because you can

get above the atmosphere
and it's a lot easier

to see things so forth and so on.

But the rules for debunkers,

first, don't bother me with
the facts; my mind's made up.

Two, what the public doesn't know,

I'm not gonna tell 'em.

Three, if it can't attack
the data, attack the people.

- The mayor has investigated,
has found that Ed

and his wife went back to City Hall.

(speaking off mic)
- [Oprah] Go ahead.

Let him finish, let him finish.

- It's the mayor's word against you,

and you have two convicted
felonies on your record.

You served time once for
forgery, once for car theft.

So, I choose to believe Mayor Ed Gray III.

- What do you say?

Okay, you have to respond.

- When I was an 18-year-old boy,

I did get in trouble with the law.

But what that has to do with
UFOs, only Phil Klass knows.

Now, this type of ridicule-

(audience applauds)
This type of ridicule

is the same thing that the government does

to virtually every high-profile UFO case.

- It's easier.

Those are the framework rules.

Don't bother me with the
facts; my mind's made up.

That's a crucial aspect.

- Let's get the people in authority to say

what they're doing with our tax dollars

and what they're finding out.

- [Oprah] Okay, Phil, you say what?

- Well, Oprah, I have never read a book

labeled non-fiction that is riddled

with so many errors of fact.

- You know, I knew-
- There are no one kinds

of errors of fact.

He claims to have visited
Cheyenne Mountain.

And yet he claims that
there is an elevator

that goes down 2,500 feet.

There is no such elevator.

He claims to have visited former

Project Blue Book office at Dayton, Ohio.

There is today, no such office.

His book is just riddled
with errors of fact

that could be checked.

- [Oprah] Okay, you say what, Howard?

- That's part of Mr. Klass'
distraction technique.

I mean, the real issue is
whether or not he's fat or thin.

I'm talking about when
he was thin or thinner

was about 15 years ago, when
I made that reference in my-

- About 40 years ago.
- I make that reference

in my book but that's not the real issue.

The real issue is basically
not whether or not

elevators go up or down.

The real issue is what
is the government doing?

What is the government
spending with money?

If one wants to do quibble about facts,

Mr. Klass has made a career of this.

I mean, having him review my book

sort of is having like, an
Iranian Minister of Culture

review Salman Rushdie's book.
- [Klass] Oh come on!

Come on, come on!
- Your mind is made up.

And you can pursue all this.

- Now, I'm a nuclear physicist.

I want the facts, that's
what I want is evidence.

And I also say sometimes you have to keep

a gray basket, I call it.

Not black, not white, maybe.

People want a yes-or-no
answer to everything.

Well, sometimes you have to
say, I don't have enough data.

Who knows? Things are complicated.

UFO's aren't simple things.

I mean, ask me about Roswell.

I've been working on Rosalind since 1978.

That's a long time! (chuckles)

And I've heard a lot of
stupid anti-Roswell arguments,

but that's beside the point.

But almost entirely from people
who don't do their homework.

And as a matter of fact,

a key point in many of my lectures

is that I talk about five
large-scale scientific studies.

And after each one I ask: how
many people have read this?

I'm lucky if it's 2% of any of 'em.

- Well, what was recovered was
a radar target, ballon-borne.

- That is the cover
story that was put out.

We know it was a cover
story based on the testimony

of the people who put out the cover story.

General Thomas Dubois
was the Chief of Staff

of Eighth Air Force at
Fort Worth Army Airfield,

General Ramey's Chief of Staff.

General Dubois told us
that the balloon story

that Phil insists upon talking about

was a cover story put
out by the government,

simply to get the
reporters off their back.

- Phillip, are you a
debunker of all UFO stories?

Is that your purpose?

- I look for explanations.

- [Narrator] Phillip J. Klass spent all

of his press appearances
attempting to debunk

the credibility of UFOs and the evidence

discussed over the years of ET visitation.

- Typical of the debunkers,

you know, why don't they ever land?

They land all the time.

Ted Phillips in Missouri

has looked at thousands
of physical trace cases,

from 80 countries, I mean, you know.

These cases are all over the place.

But when a debunker says,
"Why don't they land?"

It means he hasn't studied the data.

- [Narrator] Recently, the
Department of Defense disclosed

that they once ran a
$22-million research program

that tried to figure out
the nature of these objects

that were buzzing around our planet.

This program was called AATIP,

or Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program.

Today, the U.S. government has alluded

to funding a new research program.

Only this time, instead of referring

to the phenomena as UFOs,
the new term is UAP,

or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.

- I have taken on debunkers.

And it's a sad story.

When you realize that they
haven't done their homework,

they've been very
selective, it's propaganda.

You know, propagandists have
been around a long time.

- If they are extra
terrestrials, why hide it?

- Yeah. Right?

That's what I say, why hide it?

Look, this would be the greatest discovery

in the history of science.

NASA would be elated,
of course they could go

to Congress and get more funding.

Why would anybody cover this up?

And look what happens when they make

even the smallest discoveries.

Of course, we hear all about it.

- [Larry] James?

- [James] I have a question to ask you.

- [Michael] Yes.
- [James] If UFOs,

and I'm speaking hypothetically
for a moment here,

if UFOs are real, it would
be one of the greatest

discoveries of our time,
do you agree with that?

- [Michael] Of course.

- Now, if UFOs, when I use the word if,

were buzzing around in our airspace,

who would be best
equipped to know about it?

- Well, our government perhaps.

- Military?
- Maybe.

- So, we've got-
- But maybe not.

- The highest-ranking military officials

in the world telling us right now

that these things are real.

We've got generals, we've got admirals,

we've got colonels, we've
got Presidents, Governors.

If we can't believe
them, who can we believe?

- [Michael] A lack of evidence-

- [James] I'm sorry, if
we can't believe them,

who can we believe?

- Physical trace cases-
- I wouldn't necessarily-

- [James] Listen, guys, guys, wait.

- [Michael] Evidence, you
don't talk about evidence.

- [James] This is simply
a lack of evidence.

So when I say, "Where is the spacecraft?"

You say, "They hid it."

Where's the documentation?

They covered it up.

This is like the weapons
of mass destruction thing.

Where's the evidence?

The fact that we can't find
any, means that they're there.

- [Narrator] As we continue
into modern space exploration,

NASA became more sophisticated
in their approach

at hiding what they were
recording above and beyond.

- [Discovery] Houston, this is Discovery.

We still have an alien
spacecraft under observance.

- [Houston] Do we have an
unidentified flying object?

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