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[sparse piano melody
and walking bass notes]
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[narrator]
It was an idyllic life:
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wealth beyond
anyone’s wildest dreams,
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homes across the world,
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a chateau in
the South of France.
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Countess Alexandra Tolstoy,
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an aristocratic English rose
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living a fairy-tale.
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The man of her dreams:
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billionaire Sergei Pugachev,
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an oligarch,
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one of Russia’s richest men.
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Yet it’s all
about to come crashing down.
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Once a friend and ally
of Vladimir Putin,
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Sergei has fallen foul
of the Russian president.
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[Sergei]
A lot of people call me:
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‘They want to kill you.
Be careful.’
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[narrator]
He’s on the Kremlin’s hit list,
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and enemies of the state can
find it hard to hide.
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[explosion booms]
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[narrator] So what happens
when Russia turns on you
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in this dangerous
and murderous world?
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[Ben Brown]
Some breaking news,
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and a murder investigation
has been launched
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into the death
of another Russian
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on British soil.
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[narrator]
What happens to the fairy-tale
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[Sergei]
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[narrator] ...and to the love?
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[presenter]
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[Alexandra] It’s a nightmare.
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[crying] Sorry.
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[sparse string and piano music]
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[upbeat strummed music]
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[narrator] This story begins
five years ago.
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[Alexandra] Darling,
you want to have a scone?
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[Ivan] Yes.
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[Alexandra]
Do you want strawberry jam
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or blackberry jam or raspberry?
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[Ivan] Um, strawberry.
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[narrator] It was supposed to be
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the tale
of the Russian oligarch...
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[Alexandra]
Do you want to go and sit down?
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[narrator] ...Sergei Pugachev,
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willing to take a stand
against Vladimir Putin,
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and his partner,
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the mother
of their three children,
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Alexandra Tolstoy.
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But the story
that unfolded was one
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that neither of them
could have predicted.
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[children's laughter,
footsteps, and chatter]
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[narrator] Back then,
Alexandra and her three children
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were living a life
of enviable luxury.
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[footsteps clomping]
Catch me.
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Now you have to catch me.
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[Alexandra] We have a PA,
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two drivers,
two housekeepers.
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We have
our lovely English nanny,
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who's a very old-fashioned,
kind of...
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Downton Abbey-type
English nanny.
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Then we have our Russian nanny.
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And then every afternoon,
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we have to have a French teacher
who comes for an hour
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to do my son’s homework
because it’s in French [laughs]
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and I don’t really speak French.
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[woman speaking
in foreign language]
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[Alexandra] So we moved here.
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Just had our first baby,
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but then we bought
the house next door.
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I don’t know why I thought
we didn’t really need it.
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But actually,
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now I can’t really imagine
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how we could have
all squeezed in.
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[narrator] The family has
a globe-trotting lifestyle,
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but it’s the Chelsea House
they call home.
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[Alexandra] This is meant to be
the more formal part.
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It’s quite unusual
because these were all
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artists' studios,
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so up here is our bedroom.
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I absolutely love it
because it’s got
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these huge windows.
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It’s very unusual to have this
sort of lateral space in London.
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Bryan Ferry is our neighbour,
just up the road.
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We have this,
and then other one is
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the children’s part, really.
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Apparently,
Helena Bonham Carter lives
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like that, where they have--
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she has one house,
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and her--her husband has
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another house,
next to each other.
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We have an adult house,
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and they have
a children’s house. [laughs]
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It’s really kind of
a fun way to live.
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Oh, I'll show you
my handbag cupboard.
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So my weakness is Chanel.
[laughs lightly]
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[interviewer] It’s filed.
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[Alexandra] Yeah, it’s filed!
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That’s my amazing housekeeper.
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I do love clothes,
I have to say.
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They're Manolo Blahnik--
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[interviewer] Oh, yeah!
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[Alexandra] ...who, luckily,
is on the next-door street.
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Sergei will freak out,
but, I mean, there are
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[laughs] thousands and thousands
of pounds' worth in there.
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Just hope my daughter grows up
with the same size feet as me.
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[Alexandra] When I met Sergei,
it was electric,
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absolutely electric and amazing,
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and I fell so in love with him
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and it was so romantic.
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This very, very powerful person,
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with me, he wanted to be
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a completely different person.
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[Sergei speaking Russian
in video]
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[Alexandra]
I’d never felt such a connection
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to someone, ever.
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[Sergei speaking Russian
in video]
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[Alexandra]
It was such a love affair.
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[narrator]
When Alexandra met Sergei,
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he was separated
from his first wife.
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Now his divorce
has finally come through.
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[Alexandra] So eight years later
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and three children,
we are very keen
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that we should get married.
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I’d love to make it
as big a deal as possible,
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and Sergei would like to make it
as small a deal [laughs]
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as possible, probably.
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But he does though,
he says that,
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and then when we actually have
the party, he loves it.
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[Alexandra] I’ve had a few,
and he loves them.
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So hopefully, we will get
married in the South of France.
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It’s so beautiful and...
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amazing weather.
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Yeah, so I think
in June would be great.
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[moderate plucked
and accordion music]
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[narrator]
But the man she plans to marry
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isn’t just any old billionaire.
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[Sergei in Russian]
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[narrator] Sergei Pugachev
is reputed to be
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number three
on the Kremlin’s hit list
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and is living
a secret life in France.
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Only a handful
of his closest aides
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know his movements
at any one time.
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[Sergei in Russian]
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[muted trumpet melody]
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[military boots marching]
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[narrator] Sergei Pugachev
had amassed his vast fortune
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in post-communist Russia.
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He had a coalmine,
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shipyards,
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designer brands.
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He even had his own bank.
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[Luke] If you have a bank
in Russia in the 1990s,
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you can take advantage
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of all the capital pouring in
to the new Russia.
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And then, uh,
life is very shiny indeed.
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[narrator]
He was the archetypal oligarch.
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[Oliver] Pugachev wasn’t
quite in the top 600 richest men
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in the world, right?
But he was just outside.
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That’s a serious achievement.
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You know, if you think about
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how many people
there are in the world,
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he was in the top thousand.
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Yeah, that’s--that's going some
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for a boy from the Soviet Union.
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[upbeat men's chorus
singing in Russian]
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[narrator] Sergei’s huge wealth
has bought him a chateau
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in the French Riviera
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and a lifestyle
he could only have dreamed of
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as the child
of a military family
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from St. Petersburg.
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[Sergei] This is cool.
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It’s me.
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It’s me.
It’s my first Rolls Royce.
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My first.
[laughs]
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[Sergei] I opened my first bank
in Soviet Union in 1991.
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I gave a lot of loans
to government.
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It was a lot of money.
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It was millions, and people say,
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‘Okay,
it was like Putin’s banker.’
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[narrator] When Sergei
was making his first billions,
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the man at the top was
Boris Yeltsin.
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When it became clear
that he was on his way out,
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Sergei and the other
oligarchs wanted
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to protect their fortunes.
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[Luke] The oligarchs wanted
to keep all of their assets,
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and they wanted
someone they thought
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they could kind of puppet.
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They eventually lighted
on a rather charmless,
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small,
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not-very-well-known,
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pale-faced
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spy, or former spy,
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called Vladimir
Vladimirovitch Putin,
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who went from being
a kind of functionary
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in the property department
to being the head
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or the successor to the KGB,
the FSB,
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to Prime Minister to President
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in the scope of two years.
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[Putin in Russian]
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[Luke] It was a meteoric ascent,
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and Sergei Pugachev was someone
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who helped push Putin
up the stairs.
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[Sergei]
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[interviewer]
You went on holiday together?
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[Sergei]
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[narrator]
Sergei cemented his power
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by becoming a senator
in the upper house
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of the Russian parliament.
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Before long, he’d become
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one of Putin’s
most trusted advisers.
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But then,
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he fell in love.
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[Sergei]
And maybe I will show you
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something interesting.
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[Sergei] I met her in 2008.
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[interviewer]
So that’s the first photo
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-of you two together?
-[Sergei] Yes.
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[Sergei] So happy.
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[Alexandra] And when
I first went to see Sergei
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in Moscow,
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he was...
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one of the most important
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and influential people
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in the whole of Russia.
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[saxophone waltz melody[
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[Alexandra] It was, you know,
this James Bond kind of office,
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where you go through,
uh, like, glass doors,
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they snap behind you, and then
you go through the second ones,
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and then, like,
guards with Kalashnikovs.
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You are escorted to, like,
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this special
metal-reinforced lift,
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and you go up,
and it's a secret zone,
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where no one else can enter,
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and this was his daily life.
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[narrator]
Alexandra had been hired
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to help Sergei improve
his English.
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[Sergei] She helped me to...
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to speak in English,
just, like, practice,
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not like...
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like teacher.
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She came to my office.
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You know...
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[narrator] But the appearance
of Countess Alexandra Tolstoy
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on the scene
of Moscow’s ruling elite
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did not impress everyone.
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[Alexandra]
There’s a law in Russia
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that says a senator
cannot marry a foreigner.
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Sergei says
that many of these problems
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that have arisen
with the Russian government
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and Putin
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are because he’s with me.
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And Putin himself was--
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has said to Sergei
at some point,
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‘You are a traitor. Why are you
with this English person?’
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[Sergei]
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[Sergei]
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[narrator]
When Sergei met Alexandra,
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life was good.
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Within a year of meeting,
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they had a baby,
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and before long,
another on the way
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and were living a life of luxury
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in Moscow,
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London, and Paris.
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[Alexandra] So from 2008 or 9,
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it was...
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incredible.
I used to go and stay
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in the George V with my--
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you know, my lovely little baby.
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He’d give me his credit card.
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I’d go down
the Avenue de Montaigne.
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I’d go shopping.
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[Alexandra]
I could do what I liked.
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I had a private jet.
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I just had to pack my suitcase,
and then I could go.
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I remember doing up
our house in Moscow,
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and I wanted these very
specific cast-iron radiators.
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And I just put ten
on a private jet, and then--
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you know, and I would never
have got them to Moscow.
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[narrator]
Alexandra and Sergei moved
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between an array of properties.
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There was
the £12 million family home
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they were renovating
in Battersea,
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a 200-acre country estate
in Herefordshire,
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and then in the Caribbean,
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a beachfront villa costing
$40 million.
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[Alexandra]
Sergei suddenly said,
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‘Oh, let’s go to St. Barts
in the Carribean.'
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Then when we were there,
he just went and walked
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into an estate agency
and said,
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‘I want to buy a house.’
[laughs lightly]
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And then he bought
the best house on the island.
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It was on the best beach.
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It had a massive beachfront.
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It was incredible.
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[splash]
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[Alexandra] I would go there
each spring for three months,
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and we took with us
our housekeeper, nanny,
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bodyguard, doctor.
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All that money meant
that I didn’t have to work,
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I didn’t have to clean,
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that I could spend
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as much time as possible
with my children.
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-[Sergei] Hello.
-[Alexandra] Hello, my babies!
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[Alexandra]
Of course I enjoyed it.
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He just made me feel
incredibly protected and safe.
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[narrator] But though
the good times rolled
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around the world
for Sergei and Alexandra,
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back in Russia,
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the mood had long since changed.
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[military boots marching]
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[narrator]
Vladimir Putin had turned
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against his former
oligarch allies.
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[Vladimir Putin in Russian]
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[narrator]
When President Putin summoned
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the oligarchs to a meeting,
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Sergei was
amongst those present.
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But it was Mikhail Khodorkovsky,
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the richest man in Russia,
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who hit back
about state corruption.
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Later, he’d pay the price,
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sent to prison for ten years.
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Within months,
the Russian government passed
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a new law giving its agents
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a license to kill
enemies of the state
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anywhere in the world.
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It wasn’t long
before Putin’s attentions
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turned to Sergei
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and his billions.
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[Luke] Essentially,
there was a cooling.
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Pugachev,
who was seeing Putin daily--
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he was seeing him less often.
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[Luke]
So they hadn’t fallen out,
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but he was moving
to the edge of Putin’s circle.
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And generally,
when that happens,
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that--that doesn’t end well.
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[Sergei]
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[interviewer]
Could he have been threatened
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by your success, do you think?
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[Sergei] Yes, sure. Yeah.
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[narrator] If Putin was growing
suspicious of Sergei,
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he would soon have good reason.
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In 2008,
Sergei’s bank hit problems,
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and the Russian state
bailed it out
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with a billion-dollar loan.
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Two years later,
the bank still went under
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with no sign
of what happened to the loan.
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Sergei claims he’d sold
the bank many years earlier,
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but Russia disagreed.
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In court,
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he was found liable
for the bank’s losses.
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They said
the bailout money had gone
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into a Swiss bank account
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and then was moved around
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until, eventually,
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all one billion
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simply vanished.
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Sergei fled Russia.
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[Oliver] If Pugachev
had stayed in Russia,
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he would probably be jailed,
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and he would be vulnerable.
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[Oliver] Saying that Pugachev is
innocent or guilty,
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it--it’s just irrelevant.
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If he did do something,
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that just made it easier
for the prosecutors.
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If he didn’t do something,
they could’ve
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invented it anyway.
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-[loud thud]
-[Oliver] The Russian state is
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best thought of
as a mafia organisation.
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It's very good
at getting what it wants.
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It’s very good
at harassing people.
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It’s very good
at imprisoning people,
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It’s very good
at killing people.
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[Oliver]
So yeah, leaving the country is
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a sensible survival strategy.
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It’s not sufficient
because some people
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outside the country
have been murdered,
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but it’s sensible.
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[narrator] In Nice,
Sergei’s chateau proves to be
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the most luxurious of hideaways.
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[cook] Would you like
steamed salmon?
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-[Sergei] Smoked salmon.
-[cook] And not steamed?
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[Sergei] Yeah, no.
Smoked. Thank you.
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[narrator] But Sergei is now
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an enemy of the Russian state
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and claims he’s already had
his first taste of this.
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He says he’s been visited
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by Russia’s
Deposit Insurance Agency,
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or DIA,
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demanding repayment
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for the billion-dollar loan.
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[Sergei]
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[interviewer]
And were you frightened?
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[narrator]
The DIA deny this ever happened.
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What’s certain is Sergei refused
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to pay the money.
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-[live marching band music]
-[synchronized footsteps]
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[narrator]
Over the next few years,
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enemies of the Russian state
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would continue to fall.
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[news anchor 1] This is
the affluent community
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in Southern England.
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It was here
that wealthy Russian exile
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and whistle-blower
Alexander Perepilichny
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dropped dead while jogging.
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Traces of
an extremely toxic plant
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in his stomach
appear to have been found.
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[news anchor 2] Boris Berezovsky
died by hanging,
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British police say.
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The 67-year-old was found
dead in a locked bathroom
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at his home at the weekend.
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He was a one-time ally
of Vladimir Putin,
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but in 2000,
he started to speak out
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against the Russian president
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and exiled himself in the UK.
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[news anchor 3]
Boris Nemtsov was shot
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four times in the back,
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in the shadow of the Kremlin.
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Mr. Nemtsov was due
to lead a rally
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against Putin tomorrow.
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Opposition figures point
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to the Russian authorities
being involved.
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[Oliver] The Russian government
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kills people
if it can’t get to them
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any other way.
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There have been
a lot of business people
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with Russian connections
whose deaths are...
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mysterious.
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[Oliver]
You shouldn’t infer from that
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that everyone is
going to be a victim
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of state-sponsored
assassination.
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But if I had fallen out
with the Kremlin,
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I would be nervous.
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Once one assassination
has happened,
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you start looking
over your shoulder all the time.
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[narrator] By 2015,
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Sergei is living
as a permanent exile,
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dividing his time between France
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and the family home in London.
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[boys chatting]
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[narrator]
But Russia’s DIA is closing in
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and using the British courts
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to pursue Sergei
and the missing billion dollars.
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His passports have been seized,
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his assets frozen worldwide,
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and the family’s become aware
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they’re being followed.
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Surveillance footage shows
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how closely
they're being watched.
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[Alexandra]
That was my birthday,
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and Sergei was buying me
some flowers
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just off the King’s Road,
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and two guys jumped out
of a car, like, harassed him.
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[tense ambient tone]
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[Alexandra]
He was with his bodyguard,
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and his bodyguard pushed
them away,
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and Sergei drove off.
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And he called me, and he said,
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'I’ve just been, like,
harassed by two people,
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and I’m not coming to dinner.'
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I called immediately Alexandra:
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‘Be careful.
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Be at home,
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and stay there.
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Don’t move.
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We have to check what happened.’
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[Sergei]
A lot of people called me:
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'Look, you know that...
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they want--
they want to kill you.
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Be careful.’
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It’s very, very...
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uh, dangerous.
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[Alexandra]
I came home that night, and...
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Sergei did not come back
for three days,
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and I didn’t hear from him,
and I didn’t know where he was.
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[narrator] In fact,
the men following Sergei were
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lawyers for Russia’s DIA,
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trying to serve him
with court papers.
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But it didn’t stop there.
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[Alexandra] Then the next day,
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I went to my boys’ sports day,
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and a mother came up to me,
and she went
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‘Oh my God,
I’m so sorry to hear about you.’
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And I went, ‘What?’
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She went, ‘Oh, did you not read
this article in the paper?’
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[Alexandra] The police
discovered GPS trackers
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on every single one of my cars
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including the car
only, only used
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by me and my children.
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And...
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they were saying that maybe
two of them were bombs.
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[narrator] An investigation
by the Met Police confirmed
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they weren’t bombs,
but they were
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hidden trackers.
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[narrator]
Sergei didn’t wait to find out.
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Without his passport,
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he needed to get
out of Britain quickly
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and in secret.
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[interviewer]
How did you leave the country?
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How did you get away?
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Mmm, somebody helped me.
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[interviewer]
You are not saying?
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No.
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[narrator]
It’s the summer of 2015.
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Sergei remains in hiding
at his chateau in Nice,
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increasingly, his fortress
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as well as his home.
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[Sergei] It was my...
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salon rouge for my guests,
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for everybody, but right now,
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it’s just my children’s,
yeah, room.
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It’s different.
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[interviewer] So this is the,
kind of, formal guest room?
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[Sergei] It was. Yeah. Not now.
515
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,240
[narrator]
Sergei’s been summoned
516
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,920
to the High Court in London,
517
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,240
accused of leaving
the UK without permission.
518
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,960
And more than this,
519
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,680
he’s missing Alexandra
and the children
520
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,800
back in Britain.
521
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,720
[interviewer] Do you think
they're safe in London?
522
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,480
[Sergei] Nobody knows.
523
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,040
Nobody knows. It’s--
524
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:51,480
life is life, but it’s...
525
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,400
maybe we will fix it, but...
526
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:56,280
nobody knows when.
527
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,600
[interviewer] But you--well,
for the moment it’s a worry?
528
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000
Of course, sure.
529
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,160
Of course.
Every time, every day.
530
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,680
[suspended ambient tone]
531
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,760
[moderate piano music]
532
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,720
[narrator] It’s autumn,
533
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,000
and Sergei’s heading for Paris
534
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,200
with a high-risk strategy.
535
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,480
He’s going head-to-head
with the Russian state
536
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,560
and suing them for the loss
of his business assets.
537
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,680
[news programme theme music]
538
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,960
[in Russian]
539
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,000
[news anchor in Russian]
540
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,080
[narrator]
Today Sergei will announce
541
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,800
his multibillion-dollar lawsuit
against the Russian state.
542
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Alexandra’s come to support him
at the press conference.
543
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,640
[Alexandra]
I do feel very frightened for--
544
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,320
especially for Sergei’s safety
545
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,080
but also for mine
and the children
546
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,240
because...
547
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,040
there have been such
terrible cases of murder,
548
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
especially in London.
549
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,280
[Alexandra] I know a few days
ago he had a bad incident
550
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:19,400
in Paris, where...
551
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,640
he was driving a car,
and two cars tried to...
552
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,000
you know, squash his car.
553
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,000
[Alexandra]
But, you know, I chose him,
554
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,440
and...
555
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,720
I chose a very
riskful life, so...
556
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,960
And I love him, so...
557
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,680
it’s my choice.
[laughs lightly]
558
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,840
[narrator] Sergei’s hotel,
factories, and shipyards have
559
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,120
all been seized,
560
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,920
and he’s accused of stealing
561
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,840
from the bank he once owned,
562
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,960
but he's refusing to lay low.
563
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,480
[Sergei’s litigation advisor]
We are very pleased to announce
564
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,000
that Mr. Pugachev has
successfully
565
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,680
registered his claim
against the Russian Federation
566
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,680
for damages in excess
of ten billion US dollars.
567
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,520
[tense ambient tones]
568
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,680
[Sergei’s litigation advisor]
The regime now in Russia has
569
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,280
a history of intimidation.
570
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,280
When they want you,
they go for you,
571
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:26,840
and they don’t care
how they go for you.
572
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,640
[advisor] And you gotta
not lose your resolve,
573
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,120
and then you end up
with nothing.
574
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,360
But frankly,
they took almost everything,
575
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,040
so once you have nothing,
you fight for everything.
576
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,160
And Sergei will fight
for everything.
577
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,840
[advisor] And it’s more human
than people realise.
578
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Alexandra’s being watched.
She knows it.
579
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,520
So...
580
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,640
Alexandra is stressed.
581
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,080
She's worried about Sergei.
582
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,880
What kind
of pressure is he under?
583
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,960
How are my children
taken care of?
584
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,120
You can’t talk a lot
about what’s going on,
585
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,720
but the children are saying,
‘Where’s Papa?’
586
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,800
Right?
587
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,480
[Alexandra] I don’t talk about
our arrangements on the phone.
588
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720
I don’t even tell--I mean,
I’ll my friends where I am,
589
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,800
but you know, I’m very careful.
590
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,480
Even my parents,
I don’t tell too much.
591
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040
[Alexandra] I have periods
of being terribly anxious,
592
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,080
but then--
and I’m not going to leave him,
593
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,400
so...
594
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,480
what can I do?
595
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,360
[crows cawing]
596
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,000
[narrator] Alexandra’s life
has moved a long way
597
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,320
from the one her parents
had envisaged for her,
598
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,360
from their family home
in the English countryside.
599
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,600
[introductory accordion notes]
600
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,040
[narrator] Her father is
Count Nikolai Tolstoy,
601
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,760
a distant cousin
of the author Leo Tolstoy.
602
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,360
The family have inherited
Russian titles.
603
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,800
[Nikolai] Here is where I work.
604
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,960
[narrator] Count Tolstoy is
an author and historian.
605
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,720
[Nikolai]
That’s the--a book I wrote
606
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,240
on the history of our family.
607
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,560
And in fact, there's--
oh look at that.
608
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,320
There you can see
they were all quite little.
609
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,880
There's Alexandra among them.
610
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,360
[Georgina]
She likes exciting things.
611
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,160
She likes adventure.
612
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,240
She doesn’t really go for--
613
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,360
necessarily for security.
614
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,480
I mean,
I always remember when she--
615
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,120
she begged and begged us
to go away to boarding school,
616
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,160
which was not
what we had planned at all,
617
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,000
especially for the girls.
618
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,040
And you know I said,
‘Why, why do you?’
619
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,080
and she said,
‘Why, I just love the adventure.
620
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,320
I just want to go.’
621
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,120
And...
622
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,200
she was, um...
623
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,120
yeah, she wasn’t always
624
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,040
very conforming at school,
but...
625
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,400
[laughs]
626
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
she certainly loved it at
Downham House, yes.
627
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,840
[narrator] Alexandra went
628
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,960
from an elite boarding school
to working
629
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,280
as a broker in the city
630
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,080
before embarking on a decade
of Russian adventures.
631
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,160
While Sergei was building
his empire,
632
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Alexandra was
in another world entirely.
633
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,840
[horses' hooves clopping]
634
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,760
[narrator]
She started a travel business
635
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,160
and rode by horseback
636
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,200
through the former Soviet Union,
637
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,480
Turkmenistan,
Kyrgysztan, and beyond.
638
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,560
But then came love,
639
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,200
a handsome man on horseback:
640
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,720
Shamil,
641
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,200
a penniless cossack.
642
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Salud.
643
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,680
[narrator] It was,
by any account,
644
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,280
an extraordinary match.
645
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,200
They even took part
in a documentary
646
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,680
about unlikely couples,
which featured them
647
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,640
in Shamil’s tiny flat
in Uzbekistan.
648
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,520
[Alexandra]
And this is the bathroom...
649
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,240
[Shamil speaking
in foreign language]
650
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,760
[Alexandra] ...which
Shamil says that he's washing.
651
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,960
[Shamil speaking
in foreign language]
652
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,600
[Alexandra] And...
653
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,920
this is the kitchen.
654
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,680
[up-tempo plucked music]
655
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,640
[Shamil speaking
in foreign language]
656
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,000
[Alexandra] Mm?
[Shamil laughs]
657
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,600
[Alexandra]
Uh, this is where we cook,
658
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,960
on this tiny little stove.
659
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,480
[narrator] Unfortunately,
660
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,560
it didn’t last.
661
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,360
A few years later,
662
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,440
when Alexandra and Shamil
were struggling
663
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,560
to make ends meet,
664
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,520
along came a knight
in shining armour.
665
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,800
[Alexandra] When I met Sergei,
666
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,720
I wasn’t happy in my marriage,
667
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,840
and I’d had a very,
very stressful time.
668
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,440
Sergei felt like
this saviour coming in.
669
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,840
I talked with him for hours
and hours on the phone.
670
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,520
I just didn’t want to be
with anyone else.
671
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,960
And I don’t think
that in my life
672
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,160
I’d ever felt that before.
673
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,800
[interviewer] Did you like him
when you met him?
674
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,560
[Nikolai] Yes, yes.
675
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,080
He was very modest.
676
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,160
There was nothing
677
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Sir Philip Green
about him
678
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,280
[laughs lightly] remotely.
679
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,720
And I still picture him
with Alexei, the youngest,
680
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,440
wheeling out
his pushchair to the, um,
681
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,680
village shop to go and buy
some sweets or something.
682
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,200
There isn’t many people
683
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,640
of his wealth
that would do that.
684
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,520
[Georgina]
Well, I said to Alexandra
685
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,200
on the phone
before we’d even met him,
686
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,320
I said, ‘You know,
687
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,680
you're so used to your freedom.
688
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,080
You love riding.
689
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,280
Have you actually thought
what’s gonna happen, you know?
690
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,600
I can imagine
that somebody like that
691
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,760
is gonna be jealous,
692
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,400
that they’re going to want
to keep you in a gilded cage.
693
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,600
[Georgina]
You know, they’re so used to
694
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,920
having what they want
695
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,440
and getting what they want.’
696
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,520
And she said,
‘Oh, well, you know,
697
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,360
you don’t understand.
We're so in love.’
698
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,600
And...
699
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,240
I was--yeah,
I was really worried.
700
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,320
I thought...
701
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,320
'Do you really know
what you're doing?'
702
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:39,960
[ambient chords]
703
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,720
[narrator] It’s December 2015,
704
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,240
and Alexandra is
at home in Chelsea
705
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,840
when on the instructions
of the High Court,
706
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,480
three police officers arrive
late at night
707
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,160
looking for Sergei.
708
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,520
[Alexandra] They said, ‘We have
709
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,080
a search and arrest warrant
for Sergei Pugachev.
710
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,600
If you don’t let us in now,
711
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,920
we will knock the door down.’
712
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,720
[Alexandra]
So I was on my own, you know,
713
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,240
with the children and my nanny.
714
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,480
So I had to let them in.
715
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,440
So they literally looked
716
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,080
everywhere, every cupboard,
every bathroom, every room.
717
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Even they looked,
um, under here.
718
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,760
[Alexandra] It used to be a
cellar, but it’s where we have
719
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,840
the boiler.
720
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,920
[Alexandra] Looked in cupboards
in the children’s room.
721
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,600
I was very, very upset
because my children were there,
722
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,720
and I don’t want them,
723
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,480
you know,
to hear anything like that.
724
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,600
It’s very traumatic.
725
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,800
It’s a method of intimidation,
726
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320
just as it was when they put
GPS trackers on our cars.
727
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,880
It’s to frighten me
and to frighten my children...
728
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,520
to get at Sergei, and I--
729
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,960
It’s just really,
really unpleasant.
730
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,600
I’m a British citizen,
and I have done nothing.
731
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,160
[Oliver] The Russian
prosecution agency is--
732
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360
it's like a--
the mob enforcement wing.
733
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,800
[Oliver] And they use
all the tools at their disposal,
734
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,520
whether those tools are legal
tools or extra-legal tools.
735
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Whatever is the tool
for the moment,
736
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,080
they will use it.
737
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,640
[narrator] Two months on,
738
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Russia is continuing to use
739
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,800
the High Court to pursue Sergei
740
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,600
and the missing billion dollars.
741
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Alone in London,
742
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,080
Alexandra fears
she'll be caught up in the case,
743
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,280
so she's leaving the country
with the children.
744
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,800
[Alexandra] I'd love to see
the swimming costumes, I think.
745
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,240
[Alexandra]
It’s just so, so frightening
746
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,720
what’s happening to us,
and I feel so out of control.
747
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,280
[Alexandra] When I met Sergei,
I was a very relaxed person,
748
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,360
very, very happy,
749
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,640
very reckless and carefree,
750
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,760
and probably, you know,
751
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,800
my life has ended up
like this because of that.
752
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,880
[interviewer] Do you regret?
753
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200
No, because I love
my children so much.
754
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,360
How could I regret it?
And I do--
755
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,440
of course, I love Sergei.
756
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,800
I do really love him,
and I feel like...
757
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,520
No, I don’t regret.
It’s more that I regret--
758
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,520
sometimes I look back,
and we've had a very,
759
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,720
very turbulent relationship,
760
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,960
and I feel
761
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,440
regret for my children
that it wasn’t,
762
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,720
sort of, more peaceful and calm.
763
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Sometimes I just want to cry.
I feel like...
764
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,960
[Alexandra] And I think
some people look at me
765
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,320
and they think, ‘Oh, I'll bet
your life’s so easy,'
766
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,400
you know,
and 'Your lucky children,
767
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,679
they are so privileged.'
768
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,080
But they are not, you know.
The most...
769
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,760
privileged upbringing is
770
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,000
to live in a safe and
secure and happy...
771
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,679
family unit, which is together.
772
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,480
[narrator] Alexandra’s taken
the children out of school.
773
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,040
Their flight is booked.
774
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,600
They're leaving tonight.
775
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,120
[Alexandra]
Darling, shall we decide
776
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:34,360
what we’ve got
to pack from here?
777
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,960
[son angrily] Hmph!
778
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,080
[Alexandra] I’m a bit worried
about how much--
779
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,520
Oh my goodness.
780
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,440
[Alexandra] We're going
for six weeks, seven weeks.
781
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,880
I can’t say where we're going
782
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,679
because of security.
783
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,960
You know, it’s too dangerous
to say where we are going.
784
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,120
And we're going because...
785
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,880
we very much hope that Sergei
can be there with us.
786
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,760
Obviously, he can’t come here.
787
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,360
And...
788
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,480
also, I think Sergei,
789
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,200
he wants me
out of the country for a while.
790
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,120
[Alexandra] They don’t want me
to be called as a witness.
791
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,800
Sergei feels it’s, like,
a terrible invasion, and...
792
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,040
again, intimidation,
793
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,320
and he doesn’t want me
to be subjected to that.
794
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,840
And so far,
he’s been very protective of me,
795
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,120
and, you know, not...
796
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,760
telling me things
in order to protect me.
797
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,920
[Alexandra] I would rather
not go to court. [laughs]
798
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,160
And I don’t want to be
torn apart
799
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,240
in a sort of public way.
800
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,120
[Alexandra]
So he'll come for a bit,
801
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,360
or maybe the whole thing.
I don’t know.
802
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,480
But he doesn’t even tell me
on the telephone.
803
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,800
[somber solo piano music]
804
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,640
[Sergei on phone in Russian]
805
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:32,720
[child in Russian]
806
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,240
[Alexandra] And I feel really
sorry for Sergei because...
807
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,040
you know, he’s been
forcibly separated
808
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,200
from his own family.
809
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,000
Awful, because he adores--
810
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,520
you know, it’s not like
he’s not really into--
811
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Maybe some men like that are
not really into their children,
812
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,640
but he is really,
really into his children.
813
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,040
Aw.
814
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,760
I have to be philosophical
and think that...
815
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,240
It can only get better.
[laughs lightly]
816
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,240
Well, hope so.
817
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,600
[narrator] In fact,
818
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,440
it would get so much worse.
819
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:07,760
Later that month,
820
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,760
the High Court sentences Sergei
821
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,360
to two years in prison
for leaving the country
822
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,440
without permission.
823
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,800
If he sets foot in the UK now,
824
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,560
he’ll go straight to jail.
825
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,800
Sergei never made it
to the secret location
826
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,040
to join Alexandra,
827
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,880
but she and the children
visit him regularly
828
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,640
at the chateau in France.
829
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,880
[up-tempo string bass rhythm]
830
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,440
[narrator] With Sergei
now permanently in hiding,
831
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,640
the threat from Russia hangs
over the couple.
832
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,160
[bass melody continues
with drums]
833
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,800
[narrator] It’s difficult
for them to move far
834
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,800
beyond the confines
of the chateau,
835
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,880
putting huge pressure
on their relationship.
836
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,240
[interviewer] Where do you think
you and Sergei
837
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,640
are at your happiest?
838
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,320
Sergei is happiest here.
[laughs]
839
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,960
-[Sergei laughs] No.
-Um...
840
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,080
[Sergei]
841
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,200
[Alexandra] No, but you are.
I think you are happiest here.
842
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,760
[Sergei]
843
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,880
[Alexandra laughs]
844
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,960
-[Sergei]
-[Alexandra] No, I'm happy here,
845
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,240
but it’s--
846
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,440
along with feeling very safe,
847
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,920
it feels quite isolated as well.
848
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,840
[Alexandra]
So I find it difficult then.
849
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:30,360
[Sergei] Yeah.
850
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,120
-[laughing] To be isolated?
-[Sergei] Yeah.
851
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,040
-[pool balls crash]
-[Sergei] Hmm.
852
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,440
[Alexandra] I think Sergei loves
the feeling of security,
853
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,160
and also he’s just
by nature quite a loner,
854
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:46,280
so he loves to be...
855
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,920
with his family alone,
856
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,160
feeling secure.
You know, he hasn’t been
857
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:52,520
out of the house for two weeks
858
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,360
he told me,
since I last came here,
859
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:55,720
and he doesn’t mind.
860
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,120
-[Sergei disappointed] Ugh.
-[Alexandra groans]
861
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,240
[Alexandra] I suppose
I just feel concerned about...
862
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,880
how our future
as a family works.
863
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,720
[narrator]
Alexandra and Sergei must decide
864
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,520
whether to uproot the family
865
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,760
to live all together in France.
866
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,760
[Sergei in Russian]
867
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,360
[interviewer] How does that feel
868
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,440
for you to be here
and the family to be in London?
869
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,840
Horrible, of course.
870
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,680
We have to be together.
871
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,560
[suspended string chords]
872
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,640
[Alexandra]
To be brutal, I can’t live here.
873
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,360
You know, and I’ve had to think
about it a lot.
874
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,040
I just would feel too
875
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,880
claustrophobic and enclosed
876
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:45,720
and isolated.
877
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,800
It’s about feeling isolated,
and I just--
878
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,600
I couldn’t do it.
879
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,360
[suspended ambient tones]
880
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,240
[Alexandra] I still find it,
881
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,720
the whole situation, very...
882
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,320
stressful, really,
883
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,800
because it’s still so undecided.
884
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,680
You know, Sergei wants us
to live here. I just...
885
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,680
don’t know if I can do that,
really.
886
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,280
And...
887
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,920
you know,
everything in life is--
888
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:28,760
you’re able to cope with,
889
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,840
and I think what it is,
if you have
890
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,680
an idea of what will happen--
891
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,200
but I just have no idea,
892
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,480
and I find that
very stressful...
893
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,400
[Alexandra] that I
can’t plan or predict or...
894
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,280
envisage what will happen.
895
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,280
[narrator] Alexandra left
the chateau abruptly
896
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,880
in the spring of 2016,
897
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,560
taking the children with her.
898
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,440
They would never return.
899
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,800
[birds chirping]
900
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,960
[narrator] Back in England,
901
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Alexandra still seems shocked
902
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,080
at the events
at the chateau that spring
903
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,040
and the changes brought
for the whole family.
904
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,600
Sergei had one of his explosions
905
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,680
where he...
906
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,760
physically attacked me.
907
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,080
[Alexandra] He locked
the children in a room,
908
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,760
separate from me,
and he locked my passport
909
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,440
and the children’s passports
in his safe.
910
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,200
And he has a gun in his room.
911
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,840
[Alexandra] Something in me
just snapped that weekend.
912
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,960
I just said, 'I cannot ever,
ever do this again.'
913
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,480
I’m never--I said,
'I can come and visit,
914
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,920
but I’m n--'
because at that point,
915
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,360
I was wavering.
I felt guilty.
916
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Should I come and
live there with him,
917
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:50,320
or should I not?
918
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,480
But that was...
919
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,800
the--just the end.
920
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,120
I knew we weren’t safe.
921
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,240
I just knew it.
922
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,440
[somber plucked music]
923
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,720
[Sergei in Russian]
924
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,280
[ambient tone swells
and recedes]
925
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,440
[narrator]
Over the next two years,
926
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,960
the death toll rises
927
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,760
for enemies
of the Russian state.
928
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,240
[moderate ambient music]
929
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,040
[explosion booms]
930
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,280
[narrator]
Relations between Britain
931
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,480
and Russia reach a new low.
932
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Sergei Skripal,
933
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,440
a former Russian agent
who’d fled to the UK,
934
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,160
and his daughter Yulia
935
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,480
are poisoned
with a nerve agent,
936
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Novichok,
937
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:32,720
in the Wiltshire city
938
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,880
of Salisbury.
939
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,800
Though the Skripals
eventually recover,
940
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:38,760
a local resident dies.
941
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,480
[Theresa May]
The two individuals
942
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,640
named by the police
and CPS
943
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,360
are officers
944
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,320
from the Russian military
intelligence service.
945
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,720
-[crowd murmurs]
-[May] We will not tolerate
946
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,200
such barbaric attacks
947
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,560
against our country.
948
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,840
[Sir Malcolm Rifkind]
I think he certainly allows
949
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,680
aspects
of his intelligence network
950
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,920
to take decisions
951
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
that in his view
will punish people
952
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,200
who have betrayed
the Russian Federation.
953
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,160
[Ben Brown] Some breaking news,
954
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,920
and a murder investigation
955
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,680
has been launched into the death
956
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,960
of another Russian
on British soil.
957
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,200
[narrator] By 2018,
958
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,960
some 40 Russians
959
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,800
who’ve fallen foul
of the Kremlin
960
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,800
have met untimely deaths.
961
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,160
[ambient music ends]
962
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,800
[narrator] In London,
Alexandra lives in fear,
963
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,560
but now she seems
to have two enemies:
964
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,160
the Russian state
965
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:42,640
and Sergei.
966
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,480
[interviewer] So this man,
how often is he there?
967
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,440
[Alexandra] Oh,
he’s there every day, all day,
968
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,040
and he’s been there for about...
969
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,120
six months, more?
970
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,560
He talks
really loudly in Russian.
971
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,520
But I do find it
very, very odd
972
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,800
because it’s also
the kind of style of person
973
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,760
who Sergei would get
to spy on us.
974
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,920
[interviewer] It would
be hard not to be...
975
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,240
paranoid, given--
976
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,680
[laughing] given everything
you’ve been through.
977
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,800
No, I’m very paranoid.
978
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,000
[Alexandra] I went
to the Russian government’s
979
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,120
lawyers here,
980
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,120
and I said--
I assumed it was them,
981
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,480
and I said, ‘Oh,
are you having me followed?’
982
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,240
And they said, ‘We have
983
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:19,720
information
984
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,640
that, uh, Sergei has been
having you followed.’
985
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,280
[interviewer] Why--
why would he do that though?
986
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,600
[Alexandra]
Because, I don’t know now,
987
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,840
but definitely there have been
988
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,400
long phases where he’s
absolutely hell-bent on revenge
989
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,480
that I wouldn’t...
990
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,640
go with him to France.
991
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,040
[plucked musical introduction]
992
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,160
[narrator]
Now, permanently separated
993
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,760
from Alexandra,
Sergei is consumed
994
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,120
by his multibillion-dollar
lawsuit
995
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,520
against the Russian state,
996
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,440
whatever the dangers.
997
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,240
[interviewer]
Are you on Putin’s hit list?
998
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,360
What number
do you think you are?
999
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,120
[Sergei] The--theoretically,
in newspapers,
1000
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,360
number three,
1001
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,440
[laughing] but who knows?
1002
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Honestly, I don’t know.
1003
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,960
Maybe number one.
1004
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,320
[Sergei]
1005
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,720
[children having discussion]
1006
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,240
[narrator] The children
haven’t seen their father
1007
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,480
since they left France in 2016.
1008
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,400
Alexandra says
1009
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,480
Sergei’s cut her off
financially.
1010
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,240
[toy swords clacking]
1011
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,880
[Alexandra] Our relationship
is non-existent, I would say,
1012
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,960
except...
1013
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,520
he occasionally writes
very abusive emails.
1014
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,680
He’s...
1015
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,600
accused me of working
with the Russian government.
1016
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:55,920
He’s accused me of being a--
1017
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,240
-[interviewer] The government?
-Yeah,
1018
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,880
he says I’m a KGB spy,
1019
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,640
and--
1020
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:01,800
[interviewer]
Why does he think that?
1021
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,160
[Alexandra] Because I went
to the family court
1022
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:06,800
and I sued for maintenance.
1023
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,680
Obviously,
he never ever paid a penny
1024
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,120
of any of that maintenance.
1025
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,000
He completely cut us off.
1026
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,200
[Alexandra] Okay,
did you both brush your teeth?
1027
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,280
-[Alexei] Yes.
-[Alexandra] Good.
1028
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,880
[narrator]
On the orders of the High Court,
1029
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,400
the family home has been put
on the market.
1030
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,720
And Alexandra’s been asked
to drop her claim
1031
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,960
on Sergei’s fortune
1032
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,880
in return for a deal.
1033
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,600
[Ivan] Why can’t we just put
some butter?
1034
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,600
[Alexandra] Because if you did,
it wouldn’t mix in, would it?
1035
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,400
[Alexandra] So the Russian
government said to me,
1036
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,720
‘Okay, if you agree to waive
1037
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,880
your maintenance
1038
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,880
and not claim your debt,
1039
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,640
we will let you stay
in the house for one year.’
1040
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,000
What was I meant to do?
1041
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,280
I literally--
I either signed the agreement
1042
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,920
or I left the house
the next day.
1043
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,200
[narrator] But this deal
with his enemy has simply
1044
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,880
fanned the flames for Sergei.
1045
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,240
[Sergei in Russian]
1046
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,080
[somber solo piano music]
1047
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,400
[narrator] Alexandra’s parents
seem unsurprised
1048
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,880
by the turn of events.
1049
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,360
[interviewer] Should we have
any sympathy for Sergei?
1050
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,280
[Georgina] Yeah, no,
I always feel sorry
1051
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,400
for somebody who can’t,
1052
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,800
you know,
see their own children,
1053
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,080
but on the other hand, he--
1054
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,840
he’s brought
the whole thing on himself.
1055
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,280
It didn’t need to be like this.
1056
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,520
You know, if he’d been
remotely compromising
1057
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,800
about the thing,
1058
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,920
it could have worked out.
1059
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,280
You know, Alexandra did
always make it clear
1060
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,240
that she couldn’t live
in France.
1061
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,240
But she said
that she would take them there.
1062
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,840
They could spend
their holidays there.
1063
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,960
But I think he thought
1064
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,840
by cutting
her off financially,
1065
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,640
that she would be so desperate
1066
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:05,240
that she would
end up going there.
1067
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,720
And that hasn’t happened.
1068
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,320
And I think that has really
surprised him, probably.
1069
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,160
And it’s something that’s
never happened to him before.
1070
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,840
He’s never had anybody
1071
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,840
not capitulate to...
1072
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,360
you know,
1073
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,040
what he wanted.
1074
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,160
[somber solo piano music]
1075
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,400
[interviewer]
Do you think he still loves her?
1076
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Probably not.
1077
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,960
-[interviewer] Probably not?
-[Georgiana hums]
1078
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,760
Probably now,
he’d like to get revenge.
1079
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,440
[narrator]
Alexandra’s supporting herself
1080
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,560
and the children
1081
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,080
by writing and reviving
1082
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,440
her old travel business.
1083
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,880
But the one-year deal
with Russia’s lawyers
1084
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:42,960
is coming to an end,
1085
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,040
and her time at the house
1086
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,160
is running out.
1087
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,840
[Alexandra]
The house is on the market,
1088
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,480
and people come and visit
the whole time.
1089
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,640
The Russian government,
they said,
1090
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:52,880
'You can stay in there
as long as the house
1091
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,960
doesn’t sell.'
1092
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,640
So each month,
I sign a document saying
1093
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,360
I promise to get out
by the 31st.
1094
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,480
[interviewer] What’s
your worst fear at the moment?
1095
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,440
That we have nowhere to live.
1096
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,840
That we have no money.
I literally--
1097
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,840
you know,
it’s really, really difficult.
1098
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,080
[Alexandra] I’ve really tried
to shield children.
1099
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,400
I’ve told them that...
1100
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,120
the Russian government
has taken the house.
1101
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:17,880
But they know that I don’t know
1102
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:18,960
where we’ll live.
1103
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,440
They know that...
1104
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,200
um...
1105
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,560
Yeah, it is really difficult.
1106
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:29,280
It’s a nightmare.
1107
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,880
[crying] Sorry.
1108
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,320
[narrator]
An opportunity to make
1109
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,880
some money had emerged
1110
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,360
when Alexandra was approached
by Russian TV,
1111
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,800
asking her to tell her story.
1112
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,440
-[crowd applauding]
-[presenter in Russian]
1113
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,160
[narrator] It was Channel One,
1114
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,640
the premier channel
of state-owned television,
1115
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,200
Putin’s channel.
1116
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:05,880
Alexandra was paid
1117
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,520
a five-figure sum
for her appearance.
1118
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,600
She invited the presenter
1119
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,800
to the family home.
1120
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,400
[Alexandra in Russian]
1121
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,320
[narrator] Inspired
by shows like Jerry Springer,
1122
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,720
Let Them Talk invites
celebrity guests to come
1123
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,880
before a studio audience
and a panel
1124
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,280
who pick over
their personal lives
1125
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,880
and then pass judgement.
1126
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,600
[Alexandra] Before
the programme,
1127
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:32,720
Sergei had been telling a lot
1128
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,280
of untrue things
about me in the press,
1129
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,720
that I worked for the KGB,
1130
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,040
that I was only after his money,
1131
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,200
that I kidnapped his children.
1132
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,520
[Alexandra]
You know, terrible things.
1133
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,920
So I wanted to do it.
1134
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,600
[presenter in Russian]
1135
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,000
[Alexandra in Russian]
1136
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,040
[presenter]
1137
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,200
[Alexandra]
1138
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:27,440
[crowd applauding]
1139
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,200
[presenter]
1140
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,160
[narrator]
What Alexandra didn’t realise
1141
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,840
was that she was walking
into a trap.
1142
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,120
[Alexandra]
1143
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,960
[presenter]
1144
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,320
-[Alexandra]
-[snickering]
1145
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,560
-[sound of disbelief]
-[male panelist]
1146
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,520
[presenter]
1147
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,760
[Alexandra]
1148
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,160
[presenter]
1149
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,920
[audience applauding]
1150
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,160
[presenter]
1151
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,440
[Sergei in Russian]
1152
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:45,640
[presenter]
1153
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,880
[Sergei]
1154
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,880
[presenter]
1155
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,960
-[sniffs]
-[Sergei]
1156
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,280
[narrator] It was
a dramatic fall from grace
1157
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,800
for the former golden couple,
1158
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,600
the fairy-tale
1159
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,680
over.
1160
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,840
-[crowd cheering]
-[rink announcer] Your new...
1161
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,160
champions!
1162
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,800
[brass fanfare]
1163
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,240
[narrator] Putin has now been
in power for 20 years,
1164
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,760
now not just a president
1165
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,400
but a celebrity
with adoring fans.
1166
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,160
-[crowd cheering]
-[announcer speaking in Russian]
1167
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:01,880
[narrator] Enemies of the state
1168
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,960
have found it hard to survive.
1169
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,600
[airy string
and balalaika music]
1170
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:10,520
[pool balls clacking]
1171
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,720
[narrator] Russia continues
to pursue Sergei
1172
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,520
for the missing billion dollars.
1173
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,440
But after five years,
Sergei’s lawsuit
1174
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,280
for the loss of his assets has
finally reached
1175
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,840
the international courtroom.
1176
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,920
Sergei Pugachev
versus the Russian Federation.
1177
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,000
-[thud]
-[balls clack]
1178
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,360
[narrator] It’s now just weeks
until Sergei finds out
1179
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,080
the result of his legal action.
1180
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,880
Even if he wins,
1181
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,760
it may take years
1182
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,880
to get his money back.
1183
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,040
[Luke] Sergei,
1184
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,520
he’s in the South of France.
1185
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,120
He told me he was down
to his last 70 million dollars.
1186
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,920
But actually, 70 million dollars
doesn’t sound too bad.
1187
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,360
[Luke] But generally,
1188
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,240
if you’re an oligarch
and you fall from power,
1189
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,360
you can guarantee you'll spend
the next 20 years
1190
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,600
with your lawyers.
1191
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,800
[narrator]
Sergei now lives alone,
1192
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,480
a decision he feels
he was forced into
1193
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,240
by the Russian state.
1194
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,320
[Sergei in Russian]
1195
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,040
[Sergei]
1196
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,200
[narrator] Alone in the chateau,
1197
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,600
Sergei has started to think
1198
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,960
about life
beyond the court case.
1199
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,120
[Alexandra] Come on, darling.
1200
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,400
You okay?
1201
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:35,680
[Sergei in Russian]
1202
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,080
[interviewer] How is that
going to happen, do you think?
1203
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,680
[translator]
1204
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,520
[suspended string chords]
1205
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,000
[Alexandra]
There's mud everywhere. [laughs]
1206
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,000
[narrator] These days,
Alexandra and the children spend
1207
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,080
whatever time they can
at her cottage in Oxfordshire.
1208
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,360
She’s been advised by a lawyer
1209
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,840
not to take
the children to France.
1210
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,080
-[children laughing]
-[interviewer] What do you tell
1211
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,360
the children?
1212
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,360
[Alexandra] It’s imperative
you tell the truth.
1213
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,280
Of course, they’ve asked me.
1214
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,320
They’ve stopped asking now,
but they did ask,
1215
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,600
‘Why does he never come here?’
1216
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:28,680
So I told them,
1217
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,880
‘Well, he has a prison sentence
here because...
1218
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,760
he was in court,
and they told him,
1219
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,240
"You can’t leave the country,"
and he did.
1220
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,840
So he would go to prison
if he came here.’
1221
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,640
And then they’ve said,
‘Well why can’t we go there?’
1222
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,360
And I also told the truth.
I said,
1223
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,960
‘It’s dangerous.' You know,
his life’s under threat.
1224
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,480
[Alexandra]
Keep the logs a-burning now.
1225
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,480
[sparse guitar chords]
1226
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:53,880
[Alexandra] My hand on my heart,
1227
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,360
I have never said to my children
1228
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,720
one bad word about him.
1229
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,800
I haven’t told them
1230
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,600
ever that he treated me badly.
1231
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,840
Nothing.
1232
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,960
Um--
1233
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,360
[interviewer]
They may see this film one day.
1234
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,720
I know,
but I’m going to obviously be
1235
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,120
very, very careful
about when they’re told.
1236
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:13,760
Just say...
1237
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,880
you know, 'He needs to sort out
1238
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,520
this situation that he’s in,'
1239
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:21,960
and 'It’s not your fault...
1240
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,600
and maybe when you’re older,
1241
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,400
you can go
and find him yourself.'
1242
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,840
[narrator] Alexandra
has returned to her old life,
1243
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,360
leading horse-riding expeditions
across Kyrgyzstan
1244
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,800
and making regular trips
to Russia.
1245
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,840
[Alexandra]
I love Russia so much,
1246
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,920
and...
1247
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,440
weirdly, my relationship
1248
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,720
with the Russian government
is better [laughs lightly]
1249
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,520
than it is with Sergei.
1250
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,240
[narrator] She’s cast off
the oligarch wardrobe
1251
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,920
and the life that went with it.
1252
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:56,400
[interviewer] Do you remember
when you showed me
1253
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,920
around through your place
in London in 2015,
1254
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,920
and you showed me
your shoe cupboard
1255
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,640
and your handbag cupboard?
1256
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,120
[Alexandra] Actually,
do you know what? I hate
1257
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,760
all those things now.
I just feel
1258
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,280
they’re associated
with a life I didn’t like.
1259
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,480
[Alexandra] I find them vulgar.
1260
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:11,560
I find they're just
1261
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:12,960
not me.
1262
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,720
[Alexandra] You know,
as an adult, you can
1263
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,960
lose yourself, and I really
didn’t believe that.
1264
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,200
I never thought...
1265
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,960
ever thought
I could lose myself.
1266
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,520
But I'm 45. I'm not so old,
1267
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,720
and, really, I have
a whole life ahead of me.
1268
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,400
I can go back
to the things I love.
1269
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,440
And this is who I am.
1270
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,440
Sergei never, never
1271
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,480
expected me
to be strong enough
1272
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:40,760
to stay on my own.
1273
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,480
He always thought I would be
1274
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,400
so desperate to be
with his money and him
1275
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,960
that I would follow him.
1276
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,120
And actually,
I’ve come through it.
1277
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:54,840
And I have
the strength to do it.
1278
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[closing theme music]
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