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Following a sighting of a peculiar object

in the skies of Zimbabwe,

the ZBC was overwhelmed by callers from all over Zimbabwe,

describing the unidentified flying object.

So what-what time of day did this, uh, event occur?

At break time.

You could just see, like, little lights flickering.

The being would have been...

this far away, where you can see details.

And I saw this... person.

And it had big eyes.

A man that looked like a regular man or different...

No, he was all black.

- All black? - Yes. And his eyes were looking funny.

They were making funny shapes and all that.

What was it... What did it feel like when he was looking at you?

I felt scared.

It seemed that he was looking at all of us.

His eyes looked at me as if, "I want you to come with me."

"I want you to come."

You think the kids are telling the truth or do...

No, I think that I'd rather not think about it again.

Because now if I think about it tonight, I'll have another sleepless night.

I'm afraid. I'm-I'm shit scared. I'm terrified.

Um, I thought the aliens would attack me.

- Would attack you and do what? - Yes.

What if we're abducted or something?

Something happened to these folks.

We can't understand it, but something happened.

And these people are not mentally ill. They're just not mentally ill.

There were over 60 kids that saw what I saw.

We weren't making things up.

The story is about the truth actually coming out.

You don't know what that's gonna be, but eventually the truth comes out.

From the beginning of recorded time,

men have been seeing unexplainable things in the sky.

Are we alone in the universe?

Somewhere in the data will be something worth real inquiry.

We have not been hiding anything.

There are such things as interplanetary spaceships.

I thought it was an alien, and he had big eyes.

There's something profoundly important going on here

that is authentic and real.

Okay, I'm Ralph Blumenthal.

{an8}I was a reporter for The New York Times for 45 years.

{an8}I now contribute to the Times. I write books.

Well, the biggest risk in this whole field,

and I've encountered it myself writing about it, is ridicule.

Now, that's not by accident. The, um...

Our government, unfortunately, in the '50s, uh, made a policy decision

to-to ridicule people who...

who had sightings of UFOs

and came forward with these fantastic stories.

And that stigma has lasted to this day.

Um, you never really know, you know,

when you write something, what the effect is gonna be.

And, uh, the Times ran it on the front page on a Sunday.

It was an earthquake.

We accompanied the story with videos,

Navy videos, which had not been seen, until then, publicly.

These were among the most watched videos ever put out by The New York Times.

And, you know, I...

I don't... I'm not saying this, other people are saying this,

but it sort of made the subject more accessible to the mainstream media,

and people were more comfortable reporting about it.

But, you know, we didn't talk about aliens,

and the Pentagon's not talking about aliens.

So that's... that's an area that we haven't gone into,

with good reason.

Because how do you deal with it?

I mean, you come into your editor and say,

"I got a story about a guy who saw a UFO in his backyard."

And the editor will laugh and say,

"Okay. Give me 500 words on it, and, you know, make it funny."

But to these people who had these encounters,

it wasn't really funny at all.

They know what they saw.

People have seen things that they don't understand.

And just because we don't understand something

doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it.

Ariel was a great place to learn.

We weren't in the classroom much.

I'm so privileged to have experienced driving to school and seeing a giraffe.

{an8} You know, um... Having a...

{an8}Having a game park next to your school, next to your high school.

But where are your hats?

The teachers were very passionate about education.

Aren't you supposed to wear your hats?

We were a community,

and we definitely could trust all the adults that were around us,

whether they were teachers, volunteers.

They all made us...

feel safe and feel connected.

Has he got friends already?

Where?

- Ariel School was a second family. - Show me where.

{an8}I went to Ariel School,

{an8}which is quite a good school, you know, a private school.

And, for the most part, raised reading the Bible,

understanding things from that Christian perspective.

And my brother was in the same path.

I know that it did have an impact on what I experienced,

to see it and to view it in a certain way.

So why are we here today?

{an8}To hear my side of the story.

{an8} What is your side of the story?

{an8}I guess it's what I saw, right? On that day.

I guess I'm gonna tell the world.

Where would you like to start?

{an8}

So we were at recess.

I was in Year 6,

and the teachers had gone on a quick staff meeting,

so Salma and I were kind of roaming on that out-of-bounds area.

And I remember that there was a bright light,

really close by, just above the grass.

And both Salma and I kind of went, "Ooh, what's that?"

It was very shiny. It was bright.

You would see it one moment. You wouldn't see it another moment.

It was almost like our eyes were playing tricks on us. Um...

And then my friend Emma and I were kind of...

She had come and was standing next to me.

I saw...

a little object hovering.

It was quite big, actually.

And then there were little ones all around it.

Mm-hmm.

And it looked as if they were changing spaceships.

They were like ants, doing what they needed to do,

whatever it was.

Just here were the ships.

One... There was a big one.

Yeah, from about there to about...

here.

And then in diameter.

Silver, shiny disc

with lights.

On the lower half of it, there were lights.

It was like...

Then I saw, uh, like a door.

And then suddenly he was over there. And he was right in front of us.

I blinked, and then I saw the being less than

like one meter or two away from me.

The being would have been...

no further than this far away,

where you can see details.

And it was a bright, sunny day.

So there was definitely no mistaking what we were looking at.

The clothing was black, very skintight,

like a scuba-diving outfit.

- Like diving suits, deep-sea diving. - Mm-hmm.

And it had, like, a very big head.

Oval, kind of, like a pointy chin that kind of came down like this.

It had big eyes.

That's all I saw about it. Big eyes and a black body.

Huge eyes

that you just can't not look towards.

And once we got that eye connection,

everything else around us just disappeared.

What scared you?

- The noise. - What noise?

The noise that we heard in the air.

- You heard a noise in the air? - Yes.

What was it like? Like a roar or a buzz or a hum?

Or what kind of a noise?

It was like someone was playing a flute.

It didn't touch me, physically.

But it felt like, with that stare, it touched every ounce of my body.

And that's when I started feeling messages.

The ideas just came across over into... into me, into my being.

It wasn't talking. It was... It was... almost telepathic.

It was just a feeling of...

this overwhelming feeling of how important the environment is.

We need to make sure that the environment is... is our first priority

and that we all make the right choices for the environment.

We need clean air, beautiful plants, clean soil to be able to live and thrive.

Animals to plants to just everything around us.

I think they want people to know

that we're actually making harm on this world,

and we mustn't get too technologed.

I don't think I could even say the word "technology,"

um, when I was at that age, so I-I...

And I remember being interviewed by people,

and I would say things like, um,

"Don't get too technologized," or, you know...

The message was very clear,

that technology is not going...

is-is only going to develop further,

and it's not going to do any humans any good.

How did that get communicated to you?

- Through words, or... - My conscience, I think.

- Your what? - My conscience told me.

- So your conscience told you? - Yah, it came through my head.

I had never felt that sense of...

connection.

Just unfortunate that what happened in the aftermath was not as peaceful and...

and nice.

Last time I was here was 20 years ago, I think, or a little bit longer than that.

It was when I finished at, uh, Ariel School.

And now I remember why my mother wanted me to come here.

Being out in nature, it's just so wonderful.

{an8}

{an8} So did you see the UFO?

No, I didn't see a UFO.

I, uh, made up the whole thing.

Uh...

So, uh, myself and a friend, we were discussing

how we could get off Shona lessons.

A few of our friends were native Zimbabweans,

and so their mother language would have been Shona.

And I really wish I'd paid more attention, because my Shona is not great,

and I really wish it was better.

And I really wanted to get out of Shona in... at any opportunity I could.

And, uh, we came up with a crazy idea, which never ever should have worked.

At the time, I can't see it now, but at the time, there was a...

there was a rock.

A very, very shiny rock, and it was shining in the sun.

And, uh, you know, so I pointed and I'm like,

"Look, yah, there's-there's a spaceship! There's an alien!"

And the Grade 1s, Grade 2s were like, "Ah, really?" I'm like, "Yeah, aliens!"

And within half an hour, all the kids were talking about it.

All the kids were running around. Um, the whole school was buzzing.

It could have been a millisecond.

It could have been ten minutes.

All I know is, when I was able to eventually let go of Emma's hand,

the playground was in chaos.

There were 60 kids that saw what I saw.

You know, short, long arms.

Crazy, greenish, oval-shaped head. Some pretty big eyes.

And I'm shit scared. I'm terrified.

Maybe it was the shimmering of the rock or, you know, I don't know.

But, uh, there was definitely no aliens running around.

"What if a laser beam cuts our heads off?"

All kinds of things, you know, but I was just in panic.

Why would aliens come to a school, run around,

not make actual contact with anybody?

You know, so they've traveled from galaxies.

You know, you're not gonna risk that chance

of coming thousands of miles away to talk to... to children.

And I wasn't trying to find out, like, "Okay, what's gonna happen next?"

Or, "Why are they here?"

I don't remember looking back, because I was terrified.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

You're seeing all these people literally pointing at a rock

and saying, "It's a UFO."

But that's the thing with children is, they do play these imaginary games.

And before you know it, they... they really, truly believe it.

So it definitely was not a rock.

I know what a rock looks like.

And, I mean, anyone could say, "What else could it have been?"

"Could it have been this? Could it have been that?"

"Could it..."

I don't know. I didn't go up and touch it.

Um...

But what it was not was a rock.

Yeah.

If it had happened, I don't think I would have just stood there

and looked at the rock and pointed.

I would have actually moved towards the alien.

I would have gone up to the spaceship.

Because when else are you gonna get an opportunity like that,

to actually physically go up to the alien?

You know, a lot of people obviously argue with me, tell me I'm a liar,

tell me all sorts of things,

but, you know, I have to be honest with myself, first of all.

And my truth is there were no aliens.

My truth is that it was a rumor that started,

and you guys believe that you saw something.

I do apologize for calling you guys out on your bullshit.

But, sorry, I have to be honest.

I do not have any doubt about what I saw that day.

I...

have never doubted what I saw.

And let's be honest, you know, children lie.

You know, they're not as innocent as we would like to believe they are.

"That means you're saying that 60 people lied?"

Yeah, 60 people lied.

It's 1994, and I'd just finished litigating

the first large sex abuse case against the Catholic Church.

And I was sitting in my office,

{an8}and I got a telephone call from this very prominent lawyer,

{an8}who's in the western part of the country.

{an8}And he said to me, "Eric, I have a case for you."

And he told me it was about a Harvard professor

who believed in aliens.

And he was the chief of psychiatry at Cambridge Hospital.

He'd won the Pulitzer Prize,

you know, like, created the first outpatient mental hospital in the country,

who's done great work, is now claiming

that there's a phenomenon out there, involving aliens,

that we don't understand.

I said, "Well, he probably needs some serious mental health assistance."

Um, but I was told that he was a tenured professor,

and there was a secret proceeding that was about to take place,

uh, with a committee at Harvard, to remove his tenure.

Which, I was told, was the first time that had ever happened

in the 350-year history of Harvard University.

So that piqued my interest.

This is a guy to take seriously.

He's won the Pulitzer Prize.

He built, from scratch, the psychiatry department

at Cambridge Hospital,

now a trophy on the Harvard showcase of teaching hospitals.

{an8}You know, traditionally in psychiatry, if a patient were to come to you

{an8}and report that they'd had contact with alien creatures,

it would be, uh, almost automatically assumed, I think,

that this is a-a... this person is likely to be psychotic.

That was my initial reaction

when I first heard about this type of case.

John had conducted over 150 interviews

with people who claimed to have been abducted by aliens,

about 70 of which I spoke to.

And they were tortured by the fact that no one would listen to them.

People would dismiss them as psychotic.

And, as John looked at it, they weren't mentally ill,

but they were traumatized.

As far as I could tell, and this has become clearly established,

having now worked with 90 such people,

there was no apparent psychiatric illness that could account for this.

If they're describing something

that's very similar to what others are describing,

and we're discounting it as saying, "Well, this didn't happen..."

What did happen? What did occur?

That's what John was saying.

Did you approach it as a wanting to believe

or as a huge skeptic?

I approached it as a huge skeptic. I mean, to me, it could not be.

This is not something that is possible.

There can't be that kind of intelligence working in our universe.

There must be something different to explain this thing.

So let's find out what it's about.

Let's do careful studies of every aspect of this.

That's what I would like to see.

John was starting to become a celebrity.

And he was on all the talk shows,

with his rumpled suit and stains on his tie.

For the last four years, Dr. Mack has studied about 100 patients

who claim they have been abducted by aliens.

Dr. Mack is a respected professor who teaches at Harvard University.

- A Harvard psychiatrist... - A Harvard psychiatrist...

And he was outspoken.

And Harvard,

what they couldn't tolerate

was the fact that John was out there on television

and Harvard was being associated

with something that was highly controversial.

There's a pattern here that... that, as a psychiatrist, I can't explain.

Okay, when we come back, Sharon shares with us the terror she feels

when she's had an encounter with an alien.

Harvard's position was that John had committed malpractice.

That John, um, should not have accepted these patients

without treating them with either medication

or intensive psychotherapy,

that these patients were psychotic,

and that by, um, listening to them

and not discounting what they claim to have experienced,

John was harming them.

Hundreds of thousands of people, all over the country,

from various polls, we know, maybe even millions of people,

have had very similar experiences.

They don't know each other.

The details that they're describing were not in the media.

They have nothing to gain by it.

They feel ashamed about it. That's number one.

When I also heard that this was occurring

in children as young as two or three years old,

that ruled out personality explanations.

And, as said before,

the people, when examined, are not psychiatrically disturbed.

So the only thing that behaves like that is real experience.

At stake was his entire professional career.

His license to practice medicine.

And John said, "Okay, I'm not gonna roll over here."

"I'm gonna stand up to them."

{an8}Something we can't explain is going on here

that needs to be looked at realistically and not sort of ridiculed.

So John went to Ruwa, Zimbabwe,

to prove that there was something significant

that happened to these individuals,

and we need to keep our minds open

and-and not be just narrowly focused on the material world.

Okay, how-how many of them actually say that they...

What happened? Oh.

So I was working on my John Mack book.

Uh, actually took me 17 years from beginning to end.

And that's what intrigued me,

that John Mack would put his career on the line,

um, to investigate this, uh, what I call a disreputable subject.

And you can say, "Well, you know, there's no scientific proof."

Well, there isn't, but Mack dealt in an area where...

there really isn't scientific proof.

I'm not here to be liked. It's not my job.

It's not a popularity poll.

I'm here to run a good school with a good reputation,

and that's... that's what I do.

{an8}Someone asked why I've been here 33 years.

{an8}Maybe it's 'cause I'm lazy. I don't know.

{an8}

Get up, dress up, show up.

That's what you have to do, even if you don't want to, every day.

Whether I want to be there or not, I am there because that is my duty.

I'm here to run a Christian school, but I'm of a faith that's my own.

I don't go to church. I don't need to go to church to find God.

I know He's there.

He knows where my problems are.

There are some things you just don't need to question in life.

You just accept.

And that's what I allow it to be.

Oh, is this being recorded? Yeah, I feel like a little kid again.

{an8}Yeah. Breaking school rules.

If Mrs. Bates finds out, she's gonna kill me.

You know, you try and live a normal life, you try and move on,

but it's always this experience that just... just opens up wars again.

I could hear the kids...

...the other kids screaming, crying,

but it was just like I was being drawn in by this-this being.

And I remember seeing big, black eyes.

And...

I don't know if it was telepathic. I don't know.

But the message I was receiving and the message I remember

was that we were harming the planet.

But growing up those days, we didn't really...

um, discuss those kind of things.

We just, like...

We just blocked it out, and we just moved on.

It was just really traumatizing.

I think the next time we spoke about it

was when John Mack asked me to describe what we saw,

and I just felt safe that I could talk to him.

I felt safe that he believed what we had seen.

So, Professor Mack, you've been in Zimbabwe now for about ten days.

What's your opinion, having spoken to these children

at Ariel School, as such?

I approached these two days trying to keep an open mind

about whether these kids were, um,

stirred by, say, the imagination of one of them,

and then told a story, or something like that.

And we interviewed about a dozen children individually.

He had been one of the last reporters

to come to the school.

News crews from everywhere came to talk to us,

and I wasn't taken... seriously.

What was the effect, to be looking at these eyes

or have these eyes looking at you?

What... How did that affect you?

- Scary. - It was scary?

Now maybe they'll understand my story and they'll listen to me,

and they'll help me make sense of what's going on for me.

Mum tucks me in sometimes.

And she tucks you in, and then do you go right to sleep,

or do you, kind of, stay awake thinking for a while?

I stay awake, and I... I get scared with every single noise I hear.

- You still get afraid at night? - Yes.

You do. And what do you... What do you worry about now at night?

I worry that the man is still looking at me,

and he's gonna kill me.

Does your mom know you're worried? Did you tell her how worried you are?

No. Most probably, she-she won't believe me.

What would convince you that you're safe?

I don't know.

What could make you feel less worried?

The man, he's just always in my mind.

- He just won't go out of your mind? - Yes.

Mm-hmm.

And how...

So, what...

What would make you less worried? Is there something the man could do?

No.

So there was a guy who came.

I remember him being very tall and, you know, slow and deliberate.

He was really kind of...

listening.

If you could just tell me, you know, like, what happened that day.

Like, you're... You were outside, I guess, at the break, right?

Yes.

And-And then what was the first...

the first thing that you... that you noticed?

We went down to the bottom of the playground.

"Hey, tell me, what did you see?"

"How did you feel?" You know?

"Did you get a sense that they were communicating with you?"

I remember these questions.

And then, yeah, they gave us some pieces of paper,

some colors, and they said, "Draw what you saw."

Right? And I drew.

I'm drawing the ship.

With a couple of lights.

Arms, would you say long or short, compared to our arms?

Well, kind of long.

Kind of long. Mm-hmm.

- Okay. But you did see hair? - Yes.

The hair was a bit like Michael Jackson. And they had a black suit, like this.

And these big eyes. Okay.

And you've made pupils. Did they actually have pupils or...

- Yes, the pupils were white. - ...solid black?

Eyes that are... are bigger than ours.

- What happened then? - Um...

It was at the end of break time.

And then when we went back into the class,

we told our teacher, but none of the teachers believed us.

They wouldn't believe you? Really?

- Yes. - But you all told the same story.

The... The teachers didn't believe us.

At all.

Um, they thought maybe we just saw something,

but they... they didn't believe it was beings

and, you know, this, like, this oval thing that we saw.

{an8}- We actually tried to fob it off at first. - Yeah.

{an8}Um, and we just carried on as normal.

{an8} I don't even recall speaking to the children about it all.

'Cause we were dealing with something we had never dealt with before.

So you stick to what you know, in your classroom.

{an8}I live here at the school, so I try not to think about it at all.

{an8}- - If I do, I'll have sleepless nights.

- Then you'd have sleepless nights? - I do!

I've had a lot of sleepless nights since it happened.

So I try to put it out of my mind.

One of the first things that we were told

was that there was a gardener down there that was gardening.

Um, "And I don't want you to be talking about this any further."

I'm still very skeptical about children,

because I think they can, um, convince themselves of what they see

and-and get excited amongst themselves.

How do they know what we've seen?

And that was not a gardener.

They didn't see anything.

I think somebody created this make-believe story

that they actually created.

That's my feeling.

When you've been working with children as long as I have, you have to be cautious

as to how you interpret what they actually tell you.

They are their own individuals. They have to choose what they believe.

Maybe they truly believe that they'd seen it.

But I'm sorry to tell you that it never happened,

and they're lying to themselves.

I might have lied once or twice,

but the rest of the people, they continued the story for me.

Sixty children lie?

Lie about what they saw,

or are being put up to it by their friends?

That's a pretty big group.

If I can get five 16-year-olds testifying

that one particular teacher or priest was a predator,

that's really powerful evidence,

and I win the case.

Okay, so all 60 people, describing the same experience,

why should we discount that?

This is the kind of evidence that is very powerful in-in legal circles.

In court, we credit eyewitness testimony.

People are convicted of murder on eyewitness testimony.

They're sentenced to death and executed on eyewitness testimony.

And Mack said, "Look, this is what I do."

"I'm a psychiatrist. I talk to people all the time."

"I-I kinda judge when they're telling me the truth

and when they're, you know, not, making up a story."

So when the people told Mack these stories, uh, recounted them,

they... it was with what he called "suitable affect."

In other words, they displayed the terror that they felt at the time.

And he felt certain

that this was not something people can easily make up.

- Listen, I have a hard time with this. - Why?

'Cause I don't wanna believe it. I really don't.

These people were expressing, with such intense feeling,

something that was so meaningful and powerful for them, with great fear.

And as a psychiatrist,

there's nothing but real experience that-that is like that.

I wish that they'd talked to us more, they'd really asked us questions,

or make us feel like we're not so crazy.

I couldn't talk about it in my house

because my dad didn't want to know what was going on.

He didn't want to have the stigma behind him.

My parents were just, like, straight up, "No! You didn't see that!"

We were scared of getting smacked.

It's not a matter of what we believe.

{an8}It's what their experience is

{an8}and how they find the adults around them

{an8}being receptive to that experience.

And I think that

that's probably one of the rock-bottom educational principles.

That whatever your personal point of view, politics, prejudice may be,

it's that you give an opportunity for ideas

and expression of feelings and thoughts to be openly communicated.

I lost friends because of it.

I was the crazy person

who just wouldn't drop the fact that it wasn't a gardener.

Because I was the person that said that this had happened.

So there was a lot of stigma at that stage.

Ordinarily, we would not even put people on television

who make such bizarre claims.

To be honest, their stories do sound really crazy.

In a lot of ways, the experience itself was less traumatic than the aftermath.

The aftermath was a lot.

So it really impacted some people, you know?

And then you gotta ask a question, you know...

You know, these individuals, did they have psychological issues before?

Or has... Or did that day, that experience of people lying,

did that create psychological issues for those individuals?

In the four years we've been on the air, we've never done a show about aliens.

Quite frankly, the reason is because a lot of us are skeptical.

At the beginning, I'm searching, I'm seeking, I'm asking people...

up until a point where...

At a certain point, they started getting hostile.

The most hostile was this youth pastor, who basically went red in the face.

He's saying like, "No, aliens don't exist."

He was really tryna get me to not ask those questions.

And I'd started feeling a lot more like I'm the crazy one.

Why do we treat people like they're crazy and humiliate them

if they are experiencing some other entity,

some other intelligence that's coming across?

Why is everybody thought crazy if they have...

if some intelligence is coming to them,

and they're honestly experiencing that this is the case?

In a time where you are growing up

and you're not being believed about a really important thing,

that meant that when I had other important things happen to me,

or... or just life happen,

I found it very difficult to then... open up to anybody else

and tell them about anything that happened.

People have said to me I should go and see a counselor,

or I should go and talk to someone about these things.

But I don't because...

will they believe me, or will I go...

have to go through that fight again of "this is what happened"?

People who have these experiences are being truthful.

We don't know what the source of the experiences is,

but it's important to accept that they are speaking truthfully

about something very powerful that has happened to them.

And... And yet, why should this be so remarkable

when we claim to believe in-in God and all kinds of spirits?

And yet, there's something about this one,

which takes a form that is particularly, um,

alien to us.

As I understand it, there are people now, including the headmistress of the school,

who have that same recollection.

I couldn't tell you when I had my experience.

But it was after what the children saw and before Professor Mack came.

But I haven't spoken about it.

It was nighttime, in my bedroom.

And then...

I was taken on the craft.

On a narrow bed...

which I found funny because I'm quite fat.

It was like, "God, I hope I don't fall off this!"

Just very narrow.

And these little people are around you.

"People." Aliens.

And they said, "Don't look up."

And of course I looked up, because that's who I am.

They inserted something in my belly button.

It could have been a microchip.

And then there was the flash, and they left.

Sounds like a movie, doesn't it?

But it wasn't. It was my experience, nobody else's business.

Just deal with it quietly on my own,

which didn't help because I then ended up on Prozac.

And I wasn't happy at the school.

And I just was like, "Yeah, well, maybe I shouldn't be around any longer."

To the point of suicide, maybe?

I don't know.

But there would have been no way I would have spoken about it

with Professor Mack or anyone who came in.

I kept very much in the background.

Then they came back again, and they said, did I wanna go with them?

Because I was so unhappy.

And I'm like, "No. No."

Then they came back the third and final time

and said, "Right. We're leaving. This is your last chance."

"Do you wanna go with us?"

And I said, "No, I've got to do what I've been trained to do."

And that you don't leave a project. You see it through.

You good? Hello. How are you?

It was nice of them to ask. But, no, I wasn't gonna go.

It was better for the children. So they left.

John Mack may be off with the pixies, or the aliens,

but he still draws a healthy salary.

And Harvard professors are never ever sacked.

Doctor, is the profession embarrassed

{an8}when one of your colleagues, uh, puts forward theories like this?

{an8}Oh, yes, we're very embarrassed,

{an8}and embarrassed for the profession and a little worried about John himself.

- He's gone off the rails? - Well, uh...

John is a man of great gift and great intelligence,

but he's also a man of... who tends to take on enthusiasms.

And then this time, he's gone...

yeah, gone too far.

John has lost it this time.

Harvard was saying that John had committed malpractice,

and that came up repeatedly in the hearings.

And the theory of Harvard was,

"By not telling these people that they're psychotic,

by not putting them on tranquilizing medication

for their psychoses, you are committing malpractice."

These patients do have psychological problems,

and those problems are being masked

by, uh, this idea that the explanation is this crazy one.

When I got into high school, probably my second and third year,

I got very religious.

And I'm asking my pastor, at that time, youth pastor,

"Right." Like, "Okay." Like, "I get it."

You know, "Jesus came to Earth and died for our sins and everything,

but where did he come from?"

And I remember asking him then,

"Could it be possible that he was an alien?"

And I was like, "I've witnessed this. I've seen this."

And he kind of shrugged it off, and he's just like, "No, you didn't."

"Right? You didn't see it."

Literally, I had people saying, "No, you didn't. You did not see that."

I-I remember this one white pastor, actually, saying to me...

"You know, your experiences...

that you had as a child, they don't matter."

"Who you are, as an African,

is irrelevant."

He actually used the word "irrelevant."

I can't bring my own individuality.

And as big as the world is,

with so many different people, kinds of people, and languages,

you want to erase all of that and say it doesn't matter?

You know, so that led me on a journey, searching and... and asking questions.

You know, they've been lying to themselves for so many years,

maybe they actually need somebody to say to them...

..."It never happened. Wake up!"

And so that they can start healing

from the lie they've been telling themselves for so many years

and eventually believed the lie that they're telling themselves.

About 20 years, I tried to keep that... hidden.

I tried to keep that down.

And as a result, I lost a lot of my childhood.

And I lost a lot of my memories of my childhood,

because I couldn't... open that wound.

I couldn't open that trauma.

And when you hear a noise, what do you imagine it is?

I think it's people coming into my house,

wanting to steal me and steal all my toys and...

- Mm-hmm. - ...everything.

And then I wasn't able to really talk about it to my husband.

He's a very traditional Catholic, and he questioned me and said, "What..."

"What-What is this documentary really about?"

And I said, "Well..."

"...for a very long time, I was scared that if I did tell you that you would

think that I was crazy, so you wouldn't wanna be with me."

Um...

And, initially, he was like, "Yeah, nah."

"This can't be happening!"

"I can't be married to someone that's seen aliens!"

I walked into this courtroom that they'd assembled at Harvard.

And there was a big, kind of, semicircular dais,

where these three doctors were sitting.

It looked kind of like a tribunal.

And we collected affidavit and statements

and gave testimony from people who say that John saved their lives,

and they might have committed suicide, in some cases, were it not for John.

I wasn't heard by the adults that I trusted.

Whereas with John Mack,

we didn't have to try to make him believe what we had seen.

And I know that he copped a lot of flak for it too.

He-He didn't walk away from this experience peacefully at all.

And he had to fight for us.

This went on for 14 months.

And we're having all these hearings.

And, of course, by then, word of this star chamber had leaked out.

People were outraged that John was going through this.

And I think the fact that it leaked out was one of the reasons

why Harvard decided to retreat.

I'm pretty thick-skinned about it, and I'd certainly expected, you know,

if you're rattling the cage of a worldview

with something that's just not supposed to be,

you're gonna... the empire will strike back.

You gotta expect that.

The people at the highest levels of the university realized

that this was nothing more than a witch hunt

and put an end to it.

That was empowering. That was so...

That was... so healing.

We came away convinced that an extraordinary event occurred here,

quite unique in UFO history.

And if there's anything that could convince a closed-minded public

that, uh, some kind of intelligence

that is not, as the headmaster said, "of this world,"

then this event should-should persuade people.

He was a rare individual who had enough confidence

to tackle this very, very strange area.

And-And it remains the colossal mystery of our time.

I mean, there is no answer to-to these experiences.

What these UFOs are

and whether there are beings, you know, associated with them

are questions...

among the most confounding questions of our time.

Questions like, "What happens after we die?"

"Where did the universe come from?" "What happened before the Big Bang?"

I mean, what was there before that? Where did that come from?

So, in Shona, we have a word...

"Zvinoera."

When the Church got a hold of it,

it was converted into something that means "holy."

But its original meaning, before it was hijacked by the Church,

means "something of great mystery."

"Something that is inexplicable...

but it exists."

It's there, because you are interacting with it.

Seeing an alien brought me to a place where I did find my "Africanness."

My own African belief systems and culture and spirituality.

I believe in it because I did see it.

This is a story that we're sharing. This is a story that we're proud of.

This is a story

that if you wanna talk about it, talk about it.

If you don't wanna talk about it, don't.

But it's your story as well.

This is a very important story to tell,

but not so much because of... the incident itself.

It's an important human story to tell.

To simply say, "Humans have experienced this."

That's empathy.

That's like, "I can see things from your perspective."

You can go in different directions after that, but that makes us human.

Some people chose to dig deeper.

Some people chose to just shut it down and not think about it.

Some people may have found answers that make sense to them.

Some people, it may still be a puzzle piece that doesn't fit anywhere.

There are people who were there that day

that are like, "Uh. That really didn't happen."

And that's okay too. That's a... That's a choice too.

There's so much more to explore

and so much more to know about what is around us,

and I didn't realize that I could have an impact to the environment

in a negative way.

So having that message definitely took me to a different understanding

of my place in the world.

It was just so eye-opening,

and it made me realize what a... a-a narrow mindset I had

and that I was unwilling to accept the possibility

that there's something...

in this material world that I don't understand.

Most people would say the question is like, "Are we alone?"

I don't think that's it. I think the question is, "Who are we?"

And maybe begin to understand

that someone else could be looking back at us, it's like...

"Who do they see?"