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Just go to www.tvtodo.live 2 00:00:22,493 --> 00:00:24,287 Nobody joins a cult. 3 00:00:24,365 --> 00:00:27,056 Nobody joins something they think is going to hurt them. 4 00:00:27,977 --> 00:00:32,094 You join a religious organization, you join a political movement, 5 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:35,461 and you join with people that you really like. 6 00:00:37,255 --> 00:00:40,625 I think in everything that I tell you about Jim Jones, 7 00:00:40,626 --> 00:00:42,126 there is going to be a paradox. 8 00:00:42,172 --> 00:00:45,460 Having this vision to change the world, 9 00:00:45,461 --> 00:00:48,861 but having this whole undercurrent of dysfunction 10 00:00:49,521 --> 00:00:51,975 that was underneath that vision. 11 00:00:52,065 --> 00:00:55,575 Some people see a great deal of God in my body. 12 00:00:55,656 --> 00:00:59,724 They see Christ in me, a hope of glory. 13 00:01:00,109 --> 00:01:03,743 He said, �If you see me as your friend, I�ll be your friend. 14 00:01:03,818 --> 00:01:06,752 As you see me as your father, I�ll be your father.� 15 00:01:06,807 --> 00:01:11,084 He said, �If you see me as your God, I�ll be your God.� 16 00:01:12,762 --> 00:01:15,853 Jim Jones talked about going to the Promised Land 17 00:01:15,942 --> 00:01:20,887 and then, pretty soon, we were seeing film footage of Jonestown. 18 00:01:20,963 --> 00:01:24,348 Rice, black-eyed peas, Kool-Aid. 19 00:01:24,436 --> 00:01:27,143 We all wanted to go. I wanted to go. 20 00:01:28,803 --> 00:01:34,237 Peoples Temple truly had the potential to be something big 21 00:01:34,353 --> 00:01:36,971 and powerful and great, 22 00:01:37,054 --> 00:01:42,018 and yet for whatever reason, Jim took the other road. 23 00:01:44,645 --> 00:01:48,880 On the night of the 17th, it was still a vibrant community. 24 00:01:49,528 --> 00:01:55,414 I would never have imagined that 24 hours later, they would all be dead. 25 00:01:56,551 --> 00:02:01,515 Die with a degree of dignity! Don�t lay down with tears and agony! 26 00:02:01,881 --> 00:02:05,390 It�s nothing to death. It�s just stepping over into another plane. 27 00:02:05,485 --> 00:02:07,698 Don�t, don�t be this way. 28 00:02:17,509 --> 00:02:21,711 I vividly remember the first time that I met Jim Jones. 29 00:02:21,948 --> 00:02:25,346 My sister Carolyn had invited my parents 30 00:02:25,431 --> 00:02:28,650 and my younger sister and I to visit her in Potter Valley. 31 00:02:28,713 --> 00:02:33,044 We came and there was this strange man in her house, 32 00:02:33,095 --> 00:02:34,734 and her husband wasn�t there. 33 00:02:34,790 --> 00:02:37,707 Annie and I were sent out to go on a walk. 34 00:02:37,820 --> 00:02:39,586 When we came back, 35 00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:44,061 something had happened. Something terrible had happened, 36 00:02:44,127 --> 00:02:47,884 because everyone had red eyes except for Jim Jones. 37 00:02:48,548 --> 00:02:53,454 We didn�t really get the story until we were in the car going home. 38 00:02:53,533 --> 00:02:58,183 He was carrying on an adulterous relationship with my sister. 39 00:02:58,256 --> 00:03:03,155 And because his wife couldn�t relate to him as a wife... 40 00:03:03,193 --> 00:03:05,442 that Carolyn had taken over that role. 41 00:03:05,503 --> 00:03:09,269 Everything was plausible, except in retrospect, 42 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:12,017 the whole thing seems absolutely bizarre. 43 00:03:27,390 --> 00:03:30,143 The first time I visited Peoples Temple, 44 00:03:30,221 --> 00:03:35,842 I drove at the urging of a friend, a co-worker, to Redwood Valley. 45 00:03:38,749 --> 00:03:42,648 We all got suited down, neck-tied and everything. 46 00:03:42,649 --> 00:03:44,649 You know, and we were sharp. 47 00:03:44,702 --> 00:03:50,205 As soon as I walked into the San Francisco temple, I was home. 48 00:03:56,761 --> 00:04:00,939 I was one of those kind of guys... that I used drugs. 49 00:04:01,026 --> 00:04:04,563 I was an alcoholic. I drunk alcohol and stuff like that. 50 00:04:04,635 --> 00:04:09,526 And... and all these people that were like my age, 51 00:04:09,527 --> 00:04:11,827 they were clean. 52 00:04:11,927 --> 00:04:15,167 Before I came here, I was taking�LSD, marijuana, 53 00:04:15,248 --> 00:04:17,414 every type of dope you can imagine. 54 00:04:17,473 --> 00:04:20,501 Without our pastor, Jim Jones, to teach me the right way, 55 00:04:20,502 --> 00:04:22,528 I would not be in college right now. 56 00:04:22,529 --> 00:04:26,504 And for me, that was like, �Wow, man.� I liked that. 57 00:04:26,588 --> 00:04:28,831 Thank you very much, thank you. 58 00:04:29,685 --> 00:04:33,243 There was an interracial group. The choir was interracial 59 00:04:33,318 --> 00:04:35,099 and they used to sing this song: 60 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,424 �Never heard a man speak like this man before. 61 00:04:38,496 --> 00:04:42,069 Never heard a man speak like this man before. 62 00:04:42,111 --> 00:04:46,050 All the days of my life, ever since I been born, 63 00:04:46,123 --> 00:04:50,467 I never heard a man speak like this man before.� 64 00:04:50,732 --> 00:04:55,027 After they sang one or two songs, the whole place was lit up. 65 00:05:08,761 --> 00:05:10,788 The Peoples Temple services, 66 00:05:11,450 --> 00:05:15,465 they had life, they had soul, they had power. 67 00:05:15,466 --> 00:05:18,258 We were alive in those services. 68 00:05:24,426 --> 00:05:28,138 I would be up jumping in the balcony and clapping my hands. 69 00:05:29,103 --> 00:05:32,692 If you came in as a stranger and didn�t know anything about the politics, 70 00:05:32,751 --> 00:05:37,542 you were thinking you were entering an old-time religion service. 71 00:05:42,081 --> 00:05:46,150 By the time Jones did come out to do his speaking, 72 00:05:46,637 --> 00:05:49,122 the table had already been set. 73 00:05:49,123 --> 00:05:51,998 I represent divine principle, total equality, 74 00:05:52,095 --> 00:05:55,053 a society where people own all things in common. 75 00:05:55,150 --> 00:05:58,217 Where there is no rich or poor. Where there are no races. 76 00:05:58,264 --> 00:06:01,224 Wherever there is people struggling for justice and righteousness, 77 00:06:01,225 --> 00:06:04,267 there I am. And there I am involved. 78 00:06:05,121 --> 00:06:07,921 What he spoke about were things that were in our hearts. 79 00:06:08,603 --> 00:06:10,801 The government was not taking care of the people. 80 00:06:10,802 --> 00:06:14,054 There were too many poor people out there. There were poor children. 81 00:06:14,141 --> 00:06:16,067 The world is like a human family. 82 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:18,761 The little child may not be able to go and draw a paycheck, 83 00:06:18,762 --> 00:06:21,062 but the father guarantees the childcare. 84 00:06:21,118 --> 00:06:23,536 The grandmother may not be able to work anymore, 85 00:06:23,539 --> 00:06:27,556 but the father and mother guarantees her the right to live. 86 00:06:28,370 --> 00:06:31,538 Every single person felt that they had a purpose there 87 00:06:31,598 --> 00:06:33,878 and that they were exceptionally special. 88 00:06:33,939 --> 00:06:38,126 And that is how he brought so many young college kids in, 89 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:43,617 so many older black women in, so many people from diverse backgrounds 90 00:06:43,696 --> 00:06:48,548 who realized that there was something bigger than themselves 91 00:06:48,588 --> 00:06:52,453 that they needed to be involved in... and that Jim Jones offered that. 92 00:06:57,085 --> 00:07:01,838 I went home, told mom, �You know what, this is the right church for me.� 93 00:07:02,233 --> 00:07:06,527 It was the next week that I became a member of Peoples Temple. 94 00:07:18,528 --> 00:07:21,299 There�s a little town in Indiana. 95 00:07:22,851 --> 00:07:27,085 The moment I think of it a great deal of pain comes. 96 00:07:29,217 --> 00:07:34,558 As a child I was undoubtedly one of the poor in the community, 97 00:07:34,559 --> 00:07:36,362 never accepted. 98 00:07:36,378 --> 00:07:40,104 Born as it were on the wrong side of the tracks. 99 00:07:43,251 --> 00:07:48,539 I grew up with Jimmy Jones. We started first grade together. 100 00:07:49,971 --> 00:07:54,185 My brothers used to go over to Jimmy�s house 101 00:07:54,777 --> 00:08:00,069 and hung around his barn, which was where he played. 102 00:08:02,344 --> 00:08:06,466 From the time I was five years old, I thought Jimmy was a really weird kid, 103 00:08:06,523 --> 00:08:09,259 there was something not quite right. 104 00:08:10,489 --> 00:08:14,746 He was obsessed with religion; he was obsessed with death. 105 00:08:15,670 --> 00:08:18,848 My brothers came back with stories of him 106 00:08:18,860 --> 00:08:23,204 conducting funerals for small animals that had died. 107 00:08:23,205 --> 00:08:27,410 A friend of mine told me that he saw Jimmy kill a cat with a knife. 108 00:08:28,534 --> 00:08:31,471 Well having a funeral for it was a little strange, 109 00:08:31,548 --> 00:08:34,308 killing the animal was very strange. 110 00:08:35,406 --> 00:08:41,237 Jimmy�s father did not work, did not have a job, and was a drunk. 111 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,629 Jim�s mother had to work in order to support the family. 112 00:08:46,690 --> 00:08:48,842 And he was kind of left to his own devices. 113 00:08:48,948 --> 00:08:52,482 Kind of the kid who ran wild in the street, you know what I mean? 114 00:08:52,540 --> 00:08:55,779 Listen, he was in a dysfunctional family. 115 00:08:57,091 --> 00:08:59,884 We got a nice name for it now. 116 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:02,756 But when you live in a dysfunctional family, 117 00:09:02,786 --> 00:09:04,560 you think it�s normal. 118 00:09:11,443 --> 00:09:15,234 Feeling as an outcast, I�d early developed a sensitivity 119 00:09:15,263 --> 00:09:17,998 for the problems of blacks. 120 00:09:18,718 --> 00:09:22,989 I brought the only black young man in the town home 121 00:09:23,037 --> 00:09:25,946 and my dad said that he could not come in 122 00:09:25,992 --> 00:09:30,266 and I said, �Then I shan�t,� and I did not see my dad for many years. 123 00:09:37,708 --> 00:09:42,772 In Lynn, Jim Jones looked for community and couldn�t find community, 124 00:09:42,873 --> 00:09:47,184 in Lynn as a town... which had a population of what, a thousand people? 125 00:09:47,713 --> 00:09:51,562 But he did find community in the Pentecostal Church. 126 00:09:54,875 --> 00:09:58,907 He saw that they were a surrogate home. 127 00:09:58,955 --> 00:10:04,070 He saw that the preachers were like father figures to their congregations. 128 00:10:05,218 --> 00:10:11,080 And that role represented power over the lives of your congregation. 129 00:10:16,580 --> 00:10:20,140 Jim Jones started out on the revival preaching circuit, 130 00:10:20,141 --> 00:10:23,141 learning the ropes of being a preacher. 131 00:10:23,204 --> 00:10:25,610 And once he started doing that, 132 00:10:25,611 --> 00:10:28,611 it became clear that he could get a following. 133 00:10:28,907 --> 00:10:33,281 The first time I met Jim Jones was Easter 1953. 134 00:10:33,344 --> 00:10:36,530 My mother-in-law, Edith Cordell, 135 00:10:36,531 --> 00:10:39,631 had a monkey and it hung itself 136 00:10:39,671 --> 00:10:41,626 and she wanted to replace the monkey. 137 00:10:41,627 --> 00:10:43,827 So she looked in the�Indianapolis Star, 138 00:10:43,908 --> 00:10:48,790 and in that�Indianapolis Star was Jim Jones�s ad 139 00:10:48,828 --> 00:10:51,624 that he had some monkeys to sell. 140 00:10:51,931 --> 00:10:55,106 So it was through that that she met Jim Jones, 141 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:57,299 and came back saying that 142 00:10:57,454 --> 00:11:01,376 he had invited her to church this next Sunday. 143 00:11:08,304 --> 00:11:11,446 It didn�t make no difference what color you were. 144 00:11:11,512 --> 00:11:14,438 It was everybody welcome there in that church 145 00:11:14,439 --> 00:11:16,549 and he made it very plain from the platform. 146 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:18,423 We had some people that disagreed with Jimmy. 147 00:11:18,424 --> 00:11:21,324 They got up in the audience and they said they disagreed with him. 148 00:11:22,354 --> 00:11:26,134 They did not like this integration part of the services. 149 00:11:26,218 --> 00:11:30,479 We did ask people to leave the church one night because of that. 150 00:11:33,917 --> 00:11:36,113 I was the first Negro child 151 00:11:36,194 --> 00:11:39,092 adopted by a Caucasian family in the state of Indiana. 152 00:11:39,604 --> 00:11:44,151 Jim and Marceline actually went to adopt a Caucasian child. 153 00:11:44,282 --> 00:11:47,122 The story goes that I was crying real loud 154 00:11:47,123 --> 00:11:50,420 and it drew attention for Marceline to come over, 155 00:11:50,642 --> 00:11:54,938 and once she picked me up, I stopped crying. 156 00:11:56,454 --> 00:12:00,026 My family was a template of a rainbow family. 157 00:12:00,206 --> 00:12:02,736 We had an African American, 158 00:12:03,137 --> 00:12:06,637 we had two American Asian 159 00:12:06,837 --> 00:12:10,083 and we had his natural son, homemade. 160 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:17,141 Jim was breaking new ground in race relations 161 00:12:17,226 --> 00:12:23,107 at a time when the ground was still pretty hard against that. 162 00:12:23,778 --> 00:12:28,433 Jim Jones was hated and despised by some people, 163 00:12:28,504 --> 00:12:31,861 particularly in the white community. 164 00:12:36,989 --> 00:12:41,094 There had been pressures on him to leave Indianapolis. 165 00:12:41,164 --> 00:12:46,717 He thought that Indianapolis was too racist of a place for him to be, 166 00:12:46,897 --> 00:12:48,835 and he wanted to take his people out. 167 00:12:50,542 --> 00:12:54,812 California is perceived to be a very progressive state. 168 00:12:55,890 --> 00:13:01,174 This would be the place to implement the dream of racial equality. 169 00:13:01,289 --> 00:13:04,320 Not Indianapolis, which seems hopeless, 170 00:13:04,321 --> 00:13:07,844 but California, which seems to be the Promised Land. 171 00:13:08,042 --> 00:13:10,608 He chose Ukiah in northern California, 172 00:13:10,651 --> 00:13:13,308 about 90 miles north of San Francisco, 173 00:13:13,316 --> 00:13:16,943 because there was an article in�Esquire Magazine�that said that 174 00:13:16,981 --> 00:13:19,768 Ukiah was one of the nine places in the world that 175 00:13:19,769 --> 00:13:22,269 in the event of thermonuclear attack, 176 00:13:22,270 --> 00:13:23,970 people would survive. 177 00:13:25,614 --> 00:13:31,361 I told Edith, �If you follow Jimmy to California, you�re crazy.� 178 00:13:32,938 --> 00:13:35,941 So what did Jimmy do, but took her to a psychiatrist 179 00:13:35,942 --> 00:13:38,142 and sent me a certified letter 180 00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:41,968 that she is of sound mind, and she is not crazy. 181 00:13:43,772 --> 00:13:46,386 I was there the afternoon that Edith drove away. 182 00:13:47,767 --> 00:13:50,053 I didn�t know I�d never see her again. 183 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,733 The move to California was really fun. 184 00:14:08,852 --> 00:14:14,408 There were about twelve to fifteen cars driving across United States 185 00:14:14,637 --> 00:14:16,222 and making that journey 186 00:14:17,303 --> 00:14:20,114 to a place that none of us knew, 187 00:14:20,606 --> 00:14:24,617 you know, none of us could even imagine. 188 00:14:25,949 --> 00:14:28,998 We were going to California, our new world. 189 00:14:33,867 --> 00:14:37,110 When I saw Redwood Valley, I couldn�t believe my eyes 190 00:14:37,186 --> 00:14:41,266 because it was like a paradise. It was rural. It was green. 191 00:14:41,344 --> 00:14:43,985 There were grape vines everywhere, 192 00:14:44,138 --> 00:14:46,251 and I fell in love. 193 00:14:46,382 --> 00:14:49,645 I said "This is got to be a perfect way to live." 194 00:14:53,469 --> 00:14:55,724 We started with about a hundred and forty-one people 195 00:14:55,725 --> 00:14:59,094 and from that, we�ve grown to a very thriving congregation. 196 00:14:59,095 --> 00:15:03,760 We have about every level of society, all socio-economic income strata, 197 00:15:03,843 --> 00:15:08,257 professional down to the ordinary field worker, field laborer. 198 00:15:08,395 --> 00:15:11,938 Really, it�s beautiful to see that all these divisions have been broken down... 199 00:15:11,939 --> 00:15:15,680 not only race, but any differences of economic position. 200 00:15:15,681 --> 00:15:20,219 The focus of Jim�s message was taken from the Bible, 201 00:15:20,873 --> 00:15:24,148 where Jesus in his earliest days 202 00:15:25,266 --> 00:15:29,239 told people to sell all things and have all things in common. 203 00:15:29,341 --> 00:15:34,552 Jesus Christ had the most revolutionary teachings to be said, in the sense that 204 00:15:34,553 --> 00:15:36,772 he said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, 205 00:15:36,830 --> 00:15:38,459 take in the stranger, 206 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:41,460 administer to those who are widows and afflicted in their suffering. 207 00:15:41,531 --> 00:15:44,754 And we feel that no one really tried Christianity too effectively 208 00:15:44,755 --> 00:15:46,264 in the Judeo-Christian tradition. 209 00:15:46,857 --> 00:15:49,241 The membership increased substantially 210 00:15:49,334 --> 00:15:54,003 as he procured more and more Greyhound buses 211 00:15:54,307 --> 00:15:57,141 and fixed them up, 212 00:15:57,142 --> 00:16:01,005 and every summer he began this cross-country tour. 213 00:16:02,261 --> 00:16:05,942 The purpose of the bus trips was to spread Jim�s beliefs 214 00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:08,843 about socialism and the world, 215 00:16:08,910 --> 00:16:12,782 and how we can live a better life and about an integrated lifestyle. 216 00:16:12,998 --> 00:16:18,759 But behind that, I think it was to gather more members for the Temple. 217 00:16:28,785 --> 00:16:31,172 I decided not to go to Vietnam, 218 00:16:31,226 --> 00:16:35,147 and I was just at the point of what am I going to do with myself? 219 00:16:35,211 --> 00:16:39,406 I heard Jim Jones was going to be coming to Philadelphia, 220 00:16:39,546 --> 00:16:42,259 and coming to Benjamin Franklin High School. 221 00:16:42,847 --> 00:16:44,895 And I went Wednesday night and I listened to him, 222 00:16:44,896 --> 00:16:48,896 and I was impressed by how it was such an interracial group 223 00:16:48,897 --> 00:16:50,297 and people were really happy. 224 00:16:50,370 --> 00:16:52,382 You got nothing to lose. Who else is going to stand 225 00:16:52,383 --> 00:16:54,483 and look you in the face and say, �Come and I�ll give you a job. 226 00:16:54,552 --> 00:16:56,724 Come and I�ll give you a home. 227 00:16:56,819 --> 00:17:00,430 Come and I�ll give you a bed?� �But I�ve got nothing but a pension.� 228 00:17:00,496 --> 00:17:04,047 �Go and leave your pension behind,� who else will tell you that? 229 00:17:04,158 --> 00:17:06,982 Who�ll tell you, �I�ll put you on that bus tomorrow?� 230 00:17:07,052 --> 00:17:10,663 I heard Jim Jones talking about equality among races, 231 00:17:10,784 --> 00:17:15,820 what it�s like living in California, in the Redwood Valley, 232 00:17:15,821 --> 00:17:18,521 the good works that they�re doing. 233 00:17:18,590 --> 00:17:20,897 Things that, like, I wanted to get involved with, 234 00:17:20,898 --> 00:17:23,198 but didn�t even know where to make an entr�e. 235 00:17:23,318 --> 00:17:25,907 And all of a sudden, the answer was there. 236 00:17:25,976 --> 00:17:31,001 Somebody is gonna get on the freedom train in Philadelphia! 237 00:17:31,614 --> 00:17:35,583 He was there for three evenings, and the third evening 238 00:17:35,645 --> 00:17:38,483 I went off on the bus and came to California. 239 00:17:48,004 --> 00:17:52,344 When I joined Peoples Temple in the spring of 1966, 240 00:17:52,423 --> 00:17:55,630 there were exactly eighty-one members. 241 00:17:55,695 --> 00:18:00,732 Five years later, an extended family of eighty people 242 00:18:01,606 --> 00:18:06,176 had become an organization of thousands. 243 00:18:11,394 --> 00:18:14,559 Peoples Temple really was a black church. 244 00:18:14,637 --> 00:18:19,650 It was led by a white minister, but in terms of the worship service, 245 00:18:19,791 --> 00:18:23,734 commitment to the social gospel, its membership, 246 00:18:23,735 --> 00:18:26,435 it functioned completely like a black church. 247 00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:29,191 He talked black. He really understood it. 248 00:18:29,192 --> 00:18:32,592 He understood how it was to be treated differently. 249 00:18:32,658 --> 00:18:35,327 And that�s from his roots coming out of Lynn. 250 00:18:35,399 --> 00:18:37,110 When people heard Jim, 251 00:18:37,111 --> 00:18:41,111 they didn�t look upon him as being a white preacher, you know. 252 00:18:41,112 --> 00:18:44,412 People didn�t look at Jim as being white. He was not white. 253 00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:46,113 He was just their preacher. 254 00:18:46,189 --> 00:18:48,516 You going to go to Texas with me when I have that campaign? 255 00:18:48,587 --> 00:18:53,549 I was just wondering whether I could go or not. I would like to go. 256 00:18:53,581 --> 00:18:56,241 Why of course you�d go, you went to Mexico with me. 257 00:18:56,293 --> 00:19:00,241 As older people joined, it took a year or so 258 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,462 and he�d convince the people that he was doing so much in the community 259 00:19:04,527 --> 00:19:08,183 and so why not rather than just tithe your twenty percent, 260 00:19:08,334 --> 00:19:13,004 why not sell your home, give the money to the church? 261 00:19:13,083 --> 00:19:15,548 And that is what people began to do. 262 00:19:15,624 --> 00:19:19,229 Now in this church, what have we done in a short time? 263 00:19:19,329 --> 00:19:24,480 We have four senior citizens� homes that are the most innovating, 264 00:19:24,528 --> 00:19:26,592 the most beautiful you want to see. 265 00:19:26,658 --> 00:19:30,325 They had their own rooms, they had every need taken care of, 266 00:19:30,403 --> 00:19:35,122 they had their food provided. They were well looked after. 267 00:19:35,484 --> 00:19:39,473 Now my home is stone block and there�s not a piece of new furniture in it. 268 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:43,177 But our senior citizen homes, they�re elegant. And that�s beautiful. 269 00:19:43,249 --> 00:19:46,749 They were giving their life�s money and savings to the church, 270 00:19:46,822 --> 00:19:48,422 but in exchange, 271 00:19:48,423 --> 00:19:51,906 the church was agreeing to take care of them in the community, 272 00:19:51,962 --> 00:19:54,100 not just in a nursing home. 273 00:20:04,217 --> 00:20:07,643 Well it got to the point where there were so many duties in the Temple 274 00:20:07,686 --> 00:20:10,909 that some people had to become full time. 275 00:20:10,981 --> 00:20:13,279 So when you were full-time Temple, 276 00:20:13,331 --> 00:20:15,559 you worked about twenty hours a day. 277 00:20:15,579 --> 00:20:18,872 My week kind of ran like this, I�d work my regular job on Mondays, 278 00:20:18,922 --> 00:20:21,279 you know, eight to five. Then, I�d work on files. 279 00:20:21,318 --> 00:20:23,947 There were people who ran rest homes. 280 00:20:23,983 --> 00:20:26,521 There were animals to be taken care of. There were the publications. 281 00:20:26,584 --> 00:20:28,575 Everybody had a job. 282 00:20:28,624 --> 00:20:30,799 Wednesday night we�d have a meeting in Redwood Valley 283 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:33,519 and I�d go to the meeting for, until probably 10 or 10:30. 284 00:20:33,543 --> 00:20:36,285 We turned our paychecks over every time we got paid. 285 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:38,952 And then we got an allowance, five dollars a week. 286 00:20:38,958 --> 00:20:40,995 And Friday, I�d go to work and I�d get off of work, 287 00:20:41,064 --> 00:20:44,218 and I�d hop on the bus or drive the bus to San Francisco. 288 00:20:44,261 --> 00:20:45,853 If I had to go to the doctor, it was taken care of. 289 00:20:45,854 --> 00:20:47,454 If I had to go to the dentist, it was taken care of. 290 00:20:47,541 --> 00:20:49,503 If I needed clothes, that was taken care of. 291 00:20:49,572 --> 00:20:51,808 And often on Saturday night, we�d have planning commission meetings 292 00:20:51,809 --> 00:20:53,209 until 2 or 3 in the morning. 293 00:20:53,225 --> 00:20:55,278 We would always try to let each other know the next day, 294 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:56,679 �Well, how long did you sleep?� 295 00:20:56,691 --> 00:20:57,801 �Oh, I slept two hours.� 296 00:20:57,802 --> 00:21:00,202 �You only slept two? Well, I slept an hour-and-a-half.� 297 00:21:00,228 --> 00:21:02,102 And then Sunday, we�d have a Sunday morning service 298 00:21:02,132 --> 00:21:05,445 and then around one o�clock hop on the buses, drive up, 299 00:21:05,504 --> 00:21:08,686 drop people off in San Francisco, and drive up to Redwood Valley. 300 00:21:08,736 --> 00:21:11,130 The longest I ever stayed awake was six days, 301 00:21:11,221 --> 00:21:14,028 and that�s with no coffee, no nothing. 302 00:21:14,081 --> 00:21:15,484 It changed over the years, 303 00:21:15,579 --> 00:21:18,292 but it was always busy. 304 00:21:18,679 --> 00:21:22,469 Being in an environment where you�re constantly up, you�re constantly busy, 305 00:21:23,153 --> 00:21:28,060 and you�re made to feel guilty if you take too many luxuries like sleeping... 306 00:21:28,605 --> 00:21:31,260 you tend to not really think for yourself. 307 00:21:31,665 --> 00:21:34,342 And I did allow Jones to think for me 308 00:21:34,391 --> 00:21:37,360 because I figured that he had the better plan. 309 00:21:37,414 --> 00:21:40,111 I gave my rights up to him. 310 00:21:40,165 --> 00:21:42,427 As many others did. 311 00:21:44,775 --> 00:21:46,456 Edie. 312 00:21:48,673 --> 00:21:53,165 Fingers, are your fingers numb in your right hand? 313 00:21:54,237 --> 00:21:57,387 Reach the fingers out that are bothering you. 314 00:22:01,647 --> 00:22:03,608 Now, is the pain gone? 315 00:22:10,631 --> 00:22:15,419 There was a senior citizen and we nicknamed her Power. 316 00:22:16,268 --> 00:22:19,651 He would have her to come up in the midst of one of his meetings, 317 00:22:19,652 --> 00:22:21,052 and she used to say, 318 00:22:21,266 --> 00:22:25,153 �The man got power. 319 00:22:25,954 --> 00:22:28,354 The man got power, ya�ll.� 320 00:22:28,577 --> 00:22:31,044 And the whole place would just go wild. 321 00:22:33,988 --> 00:22:37,887 Take your glasses off. Let�s just dare in our faith. 322 00:22:41,805 --> 00:22:45,927 Now look at my face. 323 00:22:46,528 --> 00:22:50,128 I love you, the people love you, 324 00:22:50,192 --> 00:22:52,703 most importantly Christ loves you. 325 00:22:52,718 --> 00:22:54,382 What do you see? 326 00:22:54,441 --> 00:22:56,954 - One finger. - One finger! 327 00:22:59,515 --> 00:23:02,334 One of the most incredible healings, to me, 328 00:23:02,758 --> 00:23:06,315 was this little old lady and she was in a wheelchair. 329 00:23:06,389 --> 00:23:09,221 Jim said, �Darlin�, you know, today is your day. 330 00:23:09,256 --> 00:23:11,717 We�re going to, you�re going to get healed today.� 331 00:23:12,915 --> 00:23:15,921 He said, �We�re going to, we�re going to heal those legs of yours. 332 00:23:15,922 --> 00:23:17,322 You�re going to walk again.� 333 00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:21,678 And the whole auditorium went totally crazy. 334 00:23:22,829 --> 00:23:24,909 Come forth, my dear. 335 00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:30,110 Stand up. Take that step. Bless your heart. Take that step. 336 00:23:30,361 --> 00:23:34,411 And she takes this real slow, shaky step. 337 00:23:35,068 --> 00:23:37,221 She said, �I can feel it.� 338 00:23:37,327 --> 00:23:40,696 He said, �Yes, I know you can feel it. Now take your other leg and do it.� 339 00:23:40,736 --> 00:23:43,730 And so another real slow, shaky step 340 00:23:43,794 --> 00:23:46,409 and he says, �Now I want you to walk toward me.� 341 00:23:46,428 --> 00:23:52,178 Move forward. Move forward. Move forward, darlin�. You can do it. 342 00:23:52,757 --> 00:23:57,242 And she starts taking forward steps. And pretty soon she is walking. 343 00:23:57,943 --> 00:24:00,843 And she starts walking up one of the aisles. 344 00:24:04,327 --> 00:24:06,605 And pretty soon she�s running. 345 00:24:07,957 --> 00:24:11,233 Well, by this time the whole congregation�s running down these aisles with us, 346 00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:15,723 we�re all just running around the aisles, just hoopin� and hollerin� up a storm. 347 00:24:21,998 --> 00:24:25,490 Later, I found out that this person 348 00:24:25,691 --> 00:24:29,491 that I had seen healed and cried with 349 00:24:29,961 --> 00:24:35,361 was really one of the secretaries, made up to look crippled and blind. 350 00:24:35,362 --> 00:24:40,662 Never shall forget what He�s done for me. 351 00:24:40,963 --> 00:24:46,663 Oh, what He�s done for me. 352 00:24:46,964 --> 00:24:52,664 Oh, what He�s done for me. 353 00:24:52,965 --> 00:24:57,965 Oh, what He�s done for me. 354 00:24:57,966 --> 00:25:03,266 I never shall forget what He�s done for me. 355 00:25:03,484 --> 00:25:07,481 For those people that hadn�t grown up in the apostolic world, 356 00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:10,652 Jim would say, you know, �I know this is different for you. 357 00:25:10,711 --> 00:25:15,787 But for people to come from extremely religious backgrounds, 358 00:25:15,872 --> 00:25:18,546 so that I can bring them forward to the message 359 00:25:18,578 --> 00:25:20,777 that�s so important for all of us today 360 00:25:20,778 --> 00:25:23,078 and that is activism, 361 00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:26,567 then I need to speak on each person�s level.� 362 00:25:26,652 --> 00:25:28,764 He said, �A lot of you people, you Christian people coming in, 363 00:25:28,765 --> 00:25:30,565 you�re so hung-up on this Bible.� 364 00:25:30,634 --> 00:25:32,867 He said, �This black book has held down black people 365 00:25:32,868 --> 00:25:34,868 for the last two-hundred years.� 366 00:25:34,954 --> 00:25:37,627 He said, �But I�m going to show you this has no power.� 367 00:25:37,685 --> 00:25:42,007 So he leaned way back like a football player and he flung it. 368 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:46,908 And when he flung it and let it go, the place got dead quiet like. 369 00:25:48,999 --> 00:25:51,011 And he waited until it hit the floor, POW! 370 00:25:51,013 --> 00:25:55,597 When it hit the floor, he stood and he looked back and forth. 371 00:25:57,825 --> 00:26:02,399 He said, �Now, did you see any lightning come from the sky and strike me dead?� 372 00:26:02,483 --> 00:26:04,664 You�re gonna help yourself, or you�ll get no help! 373 00:26:04,793 --> 00:26:07,758 There�s only one hope of glory� That�s within you! 374 00:26:07,855 --> 00:26:11,389 Nobody�s gonna come out of the sky! There�s no heaven up there� 375 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:13,714 We�ll have to make heaven down here! 376 00:26:16,243 --> 00:26:20,527 And he said, �What you need to believe in is what you can see.� 377 00:26:21,077 --> 00:26:24,634 He said, �If you see me as your friend, I�ll be your friend. 378 00:26:24,725 --> 00:26:27,269 As you see me as your father, I�ll be your father, 379 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:29,070 for those of you that don�t have a father.� 380 00:26:29,157 --> 00:26:32,539 He said, �If you see me as your savior, I�ll be your savior.� 381 00:26:32,616 --> 00:26:36,922 He said, even so, �If you see me as your God, I�ll be your God.� 382 00:26:55,374 --> 00:27:00,986 People lifted Jim to a level of adoration 383 00:27:01,209 --> 00:27:06,191 because many believed that he had healed them of cancer. 384 00:27:06,312 --> 00:27:07,604 Many believed 385 00:27:07,605 --> 00:27:12,605 that he had saved their son or daughter from an automobile accident. 386 00:27:14,472 --> 00:27:18,231 There were many reasons for many people 387 00:27:18,232 --> 00:27:20,732 to admire, love, 388 00:27:20,838 --> 00:27:25,576 excuse, overlook much of what Jim did. 389 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:39,074 I had been in the Temple for just a few months. 390 00:27:39,431 --> 00:27:41,833 I was sent backstage in Los Angeles to... 391 00:27:42,134 --> 00:27:44,534 to get something for somebody, I don�t remember what. 392 00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:48,308 And Jones happened to be coming out of his room and he said, 393 00:27:48,309 --> 00:27:52,309 �Hi Tim, how are you doing? How is it going? How do you like everything so far?� 394 00:27:52,423 --> 00:27:55,482 And, �Oh, I like it a lot.� And, �you know, it�s really cool.� 395 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,320 I don�t remember exactly. 396 00:27:57,329 --> 00:28:02,330 And he reached up and kind of patted the back of my neck, and he said, 397 00:28:02,331 --> 00:28:04,623 �I�ll fuck you in the ass if you want.� 398 00:28:05,736 --> 00:28:10,836 And I just kind of stammered, �No.� You know, �No.� 399 00:28:10,837 --> 00:28:14,937 And he said, �Well, you know, if you ever want that, that�s okay, 400 00:28:15,037 --> 00:28:17,076 just let me know and we�ll do that.� 401 00:28:18,591 --> 00:28:21,860 Jim said that all of us were homosexuals, 402 00:28:21,983 --> 00:28:26,517 everyone except... He was the only heterosexual on the planet. 403 00:28:28,147 --> 00:28:30,941 And that the women were all lesbians and the guys were all gay. 404 00:28:31,009 --> 00:28:35,150 And so anyone that showed any interest in sex was just compensating. 405 00:28:35,223 --> 00:28:40,747 What he explained to each of us, and in sermons, was that 406 00:28:41,748 --> 00:28:46,148 sexual relationships were very selfish 407 00:28:46,234 --> 00:28:51,622 and they took away from the focus of the church, 408 00:28:51,623 --> 00:28:54,023 and that was to help others. 409 00:28:54,782 --> 00:28:56,849 Jim was not celibate. 410 00:28:57,150 --> 00:29:01,850 Nobody knew that until perhaps it was their time to find out. 411 00:29:01,979 --> 00:29:06,685 What he spoke from the pulpit wasn�t what he did behind the scenes. 412 00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:13,225 I remember one night, one of the brothers had stood up and said, 413 00:29:13,325 --> 00:29:18,715 �You know, I think everybody that wants Father to screw them in the butt, 414 00:29:18,816 --> 00:29:22,116 you need to take an enema first.� 415 00:29:23,031 --> 00:29:27,420 I�m telling you the truth man, I�m telling you the truth. 416 00:29:29,155 --> 00:29:31,615 And then the question went on, 417 00:29:31,816 --> 00:29:35,516 �Well, how many of you in here have had him to do that?� 418 00:29:36,186 --> 00:29:39,762 And whether they were lying or just following suit, 419 00:29:39,863 --> 00:29:43,363 hands of the men just went up around the room. 420 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,244 And I�m sitting there petrified because I�m like, 421 00:29:46,445 --> 00:29:49,345 �Is this what it�s leading to, that I�m supposed to get to?� 422 00:29:49,493 --> 00:29:52,921 And I�m thinking, �hmmm.� But I played it off like, 423 00:29:52,922 --> 00:29:55,522 �Okay, I�m being cool. Okay, if that�s where they at, 424 00:29:55,622 --> 00:29:57,477 that�s not where I�m at.� 425 00:29:57,512 --> 00:30:01,562 Because I�m thinking, �My wife... I�m happy with my wife. 426 00:30:01,563 --> 00:30:04,663 With this sleep I�m not getting, I�m not getting enough anyway.� 427 00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:13,399 One of the powerful things that Jim used, to keep us to not think, 428 00:30:13,498 --> 00:30:18,014 was that we were never really allowed to speak with one another. 429 00:30:18,096 --> 00:30:21,852 I�d look around and I�d say, �Am I the only one that feels this way?� 430 00:30:23,023 --> 00:30:28,763 I learned, eventually, not to say anything to anyone. 431 00:30:31,351 --> 00:30:33,922 We had a lady who visited us a week ago here 432 00:30:33,992 --> 00:30:36,982 and was speaking to one at the door, and she was a member of a prominent church, 433 00:30:37,047 --> 00:30:38,568 a pastor�s wife, 434 00:30:38,645 --> 00:30:41,865 and she said, �I think that the poor should be made to control 435 00:30:41,949 --> 00:30:44,877 how many children they bring into the earth.� You remember? 436 00:30:44,972 --> 00:30:48,742 Some leading scientists say, �We have to have euthanasia.� 437 00:30:48,855 --> 00:30:52,054 Oh, no. Oh, no. 438 00:30:52,174 --> 00:30:55,824 Who�s going to decide who and when a person�s going to die? 439 00:30:55,926 --> 00:30:59,208 We must never allow that because this is the kind of thing that ushers in 440 00:30:59,255 --> 00:31:01,815 the terror of a Hitler�s Germany. 441 00:31:01,879 --> 00:31:04,876 We must not allow these kind of things to enter our consciousness. 442 00:31:08,356 --> 00:31:12,235 My father used to tell me that people�s lives, 443 00:31:12,317 --> 00:31:16,576 sixty percent of people�s lives, were made on emotional decisions. 444 00:31:17,433 --> 00:31:18,957 Make your decisions, 445 00:31:18,958 --> 00:31:22,258 sixty percent of your decisions, based on logic, fact and reason, 446 00:31:22,827 --> 00:31:27,108 and allow emotion to be the secondary motivator. 447 00:31:27,498 --> 00:31:31,712 And... we were Star Trek fans. He and I were Star Trek fans, 448 00:31:31,713 --> 00:31:33,313 and he used to always say, 449 00:31:33,347 --> 00:31:36,828 �Just vulcanize yourself. Just vulcanize yourself.� 450 00:31:42,961 --> 00:31:45,871 We were celebrating New Years Eve. 451 00:31:45,972 --> 00:31:49,172 There were about a hundred and twenty people. 452 00:31:49,263 --> 00:31:54,540 Jim started talking about our cause and he said, 453 00:31:55,652 --> 00:31:58,833 �This punch is going to be passed out to everybody here.� 454 00:32:00,681 --> 00:32:04,625 We all drank our punch and then he said, 455 00:32:04,999 --> 00:32:07,633 �You just drank poison. 456 00:32:08,342 --> 00:32:13,106 And we will all die, right here in the church, together as one.� 457 00:32:14,358 --> 00:32:18,281 The women were just screaming, �Oh no, my baby, my baby�, 458 00:32:18,988 --> 00:32:20,754 and others just sat there. 459 00:32:22,755 --> 00:32:24,755 And all of a sudden, Jim says, 460 00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:28,590 �That wasn�t poison you drank.� 461 00:32:29,738 --> 00:32:32,650 Jim said that this was a test of loyalty. 462 00:32:32,728 --> 00:32:38,401 He just wanted to see if we were truly committed to our cause, 463 00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:41,176 and that was how we would show it. 464 00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:44,096 Well it wasn�t about our loyalty, 465 00:32:44,197 --> 00:32:47,497 because we were demonstrating loyalty all the time. 466 00:32:47,825 --> 00:32:51,693 Coming there, being there in the meetings, sitting, listening, 467 00:32:51,994 --> 00:32:53,994 you know, supporting, working. 468 00:32:54,134 --> 00:32:58,994 And I thought it had a lot more to do with Jim�s sense of 469 00:33:01,496 --> 00:33:02,696 rehearsal. 470 00:33:03,235 --> 00:33:08,279 Did he feel like he was potent and... and omnipotent enough 471 00:33:08,369 --> 00:33:12,296 to really get people to kill themselves when he said so? 472 00:33:12,612 --> 00:33:15,311 And that frightened the hell out of me. 473 00:33:26,009 --> 00:33:29,779 Jim Jones, I think, realized that 474 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,680 ultimately Ukiah was not the sort of climate 475 00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:38,254 where Peoples Temple would thrive. 476 00:33:38,411 --> 00:33:42,796 He wasn�t going to be gaining large numbers of members. 477 00:33:42,945 --> 00:33:45,257 He couldn�t declare himself to be 478 00:33:45,382 --> 00:33:50,094 a socialist god openly, certainly in a city like Ukiah. 479 00:33:58,978 --> 00:34:04,010 In San Francisco, Jones walked in on a sort of a wild kind of party, 480 00:34:04,089 --> 00:34:07,790 where there was a lot of new faces and new sources of power. 481 00:34:07,882 --> 00:34:10,644 And there was a sort of feeling that smaller groups, 482 00:34:10,733 --> 00:34:13,966 neighborhood groups, activist groups had a bigger chance. 483 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:19,633 I think the early sixties had been a time of great optimism; 484 00:34:19,734 --> 00:34:22,113 there was a belief that we could change the world 485 00:34:22,229 --> 00:34:24,199 through social movements. 486 00:34:24,294 --> 00:34:29,565 With various assassinations, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, 487 00:34:29,648 --> 00:34:34,312 Robert Kennedy, there was definitely a feeling of hopelessness. 488 00:34:36,139 --> 00:34:39,914 The message of Peoples Temple was, �No, the dream is alive.� 489 00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:49,653 If you had a demonstration in San Francisco 490 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:52,380 and you wanted people to show up, 491 00:34:52,616 --> 00:34:57,322 Jim Jones, the Peoples Temple, could be there in twenty minutes, 492 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,219 with hundreds of people. And we would be enthusiastic. 493 00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:07,661 There was an attitude of, "We can change the world." 494 00:35:07,961 --> 00:35:11,067 And that�s what we wanted to do. 495 00:35:11,131 --> 00:35:14,702 These people would be on time, they�d be polite and nice. 496 00:35:14,806 --> 00:35:17,583 They were a span of ages, a span of races. 497 00:35:17,697 --> 00:35:21,373 They were tailor-made for a political rally. 498 00:35:21,490 --> 00:35:24,843 To a politician, it was like a birthday cake times twelve. 499 00:35:26,177 --> 00:35:28,048 You have managed to make 500 00:35:28,649 --> 00:35:31,649 the many persons associated with Peoples Temple part of a family. 501 00:35:31,714 --> 00:35:34,179 If you are in need of healthcare, you get healthcare. 502 00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:37,103 If you�re in need of legal assistance of some sort, you get that. 503 00:35:37,182 --> 00:35:39,177 If you�re in need of transportation, you get that. 504 00:35:39,271 --> 00:35:42,283 And that�s the kind of religious thing that I am excited about, 505 00:35:42,284 --> 00:35:43,884 and have some respect for. 506 00:35:44,157 --> 00:35:49,979 When vice presidential candidate, Walter Mondale, came to San Francisco, 507 00:35:50,067 --> 00:35:54,435 Jim Jones was part of the entourage that boarded his private jet. 508 00:35:55,047 --> 00:35:59,275 When Rosalyn Carter came to San Francisco, 509 00:35:59,372 --> 00:36:02,107 she gave Jim Jones a private audience. 510 00:36:02,948 --> 00:36:07,377 Jim Jones had political power that few people, 511 00:36:07,378 --> 00:36:10,378 let alone preachers, could have imagined. 512 00:36:17,633 --> 00:36:19,813 Jim Jones represented the Peoples Temple 513 00:36:19,877 --> 00:36:23,052 as a progressive movement that was threatened. 514 00:36:23,112 --> 00:36:27,491 That there were outside forces who didn�t want us to do what we were doing. 515 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,967 And it was the government. 516 00:36:31,365 --> 00:36:34,993 The government was infiltrating and wiretapping 517 00:36:35,416 --> 00:36:38,258 and trying to kill people or assassinate people. 518 00:36:38,341 --> 00:36:40,165 That�s what was happening. 519 00:36:42,201 --> 00:36:45,047 He was always paranoid that someone was going to get in 520 00:36:45,048 --> 00:36:46,248 and try to kill him, 521 00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:49,426 that they had two people that had dedicated their lives, 522 00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:51,793 that they were going to jump in front of Jones and take the bullet, 523 00:36:51,794 --> 00:36:54,094 kind of like the secret service so to speak. 524 00:36:55,236 --> 00:36:58,097 Jim started changing a lot in the seventies. 525 00:36:58,298 --> 00:37:00,098 He was taking drugs. 526 00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:03,230 I think he said it was his kidneys at the time. 527 00:37:03,342 --> 00:37:06,166 And he was getting more and more paranoid. 528 00:37:06,367 --> 00:37:08,367 Incredibly paranoid. 529 00:37:08,927 --> 00:37:10,442 There was always threats. 530 00:37:10,443 --> 00:37:14,743 Always, always, always, always threats. They were there. 531 00:37:14,832 --> 00:37:18,097 They were just about to try to destroy us 532 00:37:18,462 --> 00:37:23,173 if we weren�t always viligant about our movement. 533 00:37:27,981 --> 00:37:30,768 There was a fire in the San Francisco Temple. 534 00:37:30,861 --> 00:37:34,594 The Temple was burned down and had to be rebuilt. 535 00:37:35,067 --> 00:37:38,083 The fire proved they are out to get us. 536 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,601 They so don�t want us to do what we�re doing; 537 00:37:40,683 --> 00:37:41,844 they�ve burned down the Temple. 538 00:37:41,898 --> 00:37:44,457 They�ll do anything to keep us from doing what we�re doing. 539 00:37:44,517 --> 00:37:46,920 So we have to be even stronger. 540 00:37:46,992 --> 00:37:48,669 What about the fact that the Ku Klux Klan 541 00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:51,170 has increased one hundred times in its membership? 542 00:37:51,214 --> 00:37:54,471 Where? Not Mississippi, I�m talking about New York State. 543 00:37:55,673 --> 00:37:59,926 It�s the church�s duty to have a place of protection for its people. 544 00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:08,468 December of �75, ninety of us went by plane, into Guyana, 545 00:38:08,587 --> 00:38:12,107 and saw where we were building the community there. 546 00:38:12,205 --> 00:38:14,152 See, they�ve made progress on the road 547 00:38:14,238 --> 00:38:17,017 and leveled it, clear in to five miles. 548 00:38:17,152 --> 00:38:21,868 And you�re seeing in the distance, housing complexes, that are being built. 549 00:38:22,758 --> 00:38:27,639 What I saw that creation as being was building a city 550 00:38:27,725 --> 00:38:33,319 where we could move and raise our children, outside of the oppression 551 00:38:33,435 --> 00:38:37,220 and the racism of the United States of America. 552 00:38:40,353 --> 00:38:45,380 When I first went into Jonestown, it was just a footpath in the rainforest. 553 00:38:48,508 --> 00:38:51,148 We had Indians in front of us with machetes, 554 00:38:51,149 --> 00:38:53,949 and we had Indians behind us with machetes. 555 00:38:57,048 --> 00:39:01,196 Three-hundred miles into the jungle, we literally built a city 556 00:39:01,246 --> 00:39:03,614 in the middle of the jungle, in the middle of nowhere. 557 00:39:03,686 --> 00:39:07,645 Hello family. It�s been a... it�s such a joy and great pleasure being here, 558 00:39:07,731 --> 00:39:10,220 because of Father�s love. We are trying to make, 559 00:39:10,297 --> 00:39:13,421 and we are making a place of refuge for all of you here. 560 00:39:14,285 --> 00:39:17,528 There is no, nothing at all that I would... 561 00:39:18,129 --> 00:39:19,629 that I have any holdings here. 562 00:39:19,630 --> 00:39:24,530 I do not want to go back in any way, shape or form to the States. 563 00:39:24,644 --> 00:39:28,903 I love it here and this is the place where all of you are going to be. 564 00:39:32,533 --> 00:39:35,203 Pretty soon we were seeing film footage 565 00:39:35,272 --> 00:39:38,777 of the first crew that went down there. 566 00:39:40,301 --> 00:39:43,045 We all wanted to go. I wanted to go. 567 00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:45,948 It looked like... like freedom. 568 00:39:46,705 --> 00:39:50,723 Now, will each of you give a very fond embrace, 569 00:39:50,724 --> 00:39:54,224 a salutary kiss of greeting to your neighbor, 570 00:39:54,417 --> 00:39:57,510 and let�s fill this atmosphere with warmth and love. 571 00:39:59,208 --> 00:40:03,941 We thought of ourselves as one big family that did handle our own discipline. 572 00:40:04,954 --> 00:40:10,942 I was in a lot of the meetings where people were spanked or beaten, and I... 573 00:40:11,898 --> 00:40:15,192 I was slapped once, also in a public meeting. 574 00:40:15,310 --> 00:40:17,566 People were brought up front and asked... 575 00:40:17,845 --> 00:40:19,780 had to tell who they had slept with 576 00:40:20,146 --> 00:40:24,662 and who they had sneaked off to a restaurant with. 577 00:40:24,795 --> 00:40:28,017 There wasn�t a week that went by that I wasn�t called up on the floor 578 00:40:28,344 --> 00:40:31,229 because of my behavior, because of my attitude. 579 00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:35,041 �Stanley Clayton, up, front, center.� 580 00:40:35,512 --> 00:40:37,192 He would ask people, 581 00:40:37,276 --> 00:40:38,660 �What do you think we ought to do with them? 582 00:40:38,735 --> 00:40:40,510 Do you think they ought to get a good boxing?� 583 00:40:40,568 --> 00:40:43,666 And then he�d get a resounding roar, �Yes!� 584 00:40:43,845 --> 00:40:46,855 You might fight five people in one night. 585 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:50,194 Well, you know, you�re very tired! 586 00:40:50,422 --> 00:40:54,141 I�ve seen situations where they actually knocked the person out 587 00:40:54,270 --> 00:40:57,356 and actually took water and threw water back on him, 588 00:40:57,357 --> 00:40:59,257 woke him up, and whooped him some more. 589 00:40:59,473 --> 00:41:03,249 I had welts really bad, and when I went to work the next day, 590 00:41:03,328 --> 00:41:07,086 one of my employees noticed the welts when I sat down. 591 00:41:07,234 --> 00:41:09,074 And I just broke down and told her. 592 00:41:09,163 --> 00:41:10,986 She didn�t even know I was Peoples Temple. 593 00:41:11,113 --> 00:41:14,452 And she called the manager of the station up 594 00:41:14,887 --> 00:41:17,549 and they talked to me about leaving. 595 00:41:17,652 --> 00:41:20,812 I couldn�t say goodbye to my son or my husband 596 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,977 because at that point, it was like the Gestapo, 597 00:41:24,081 --> 00:41:25,808 the families were turning in each other. 598 00:41:25,881 --> 00:41:29,105 If I had said goodbye, one of them would have reported me. 599 00:41:30,388 --> 00:41:34,196 It�s kind of like when you get married and you have this ideal. 600 00:41:34,297 --> 00:41:37,309 And you�re, you know, you�re in love and then, 601 00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:41,110 you know, the honeymoon wears off and reality sets in. 602 00:41:41,389 --> 00:41:43,874 And most people, once the going gets rough, 603 00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:46,442 don�t jump out immediately. 604 00:41:48,912 --> 00:41:53,135 In one planning commission meeting, Jim was getting notes, kind of love notes, 605 00:41:53,197 --> 00:41:55,639 from one of the members on the planning commission. 606 00:41:55,718 --> 00:41:58,493 Jones is sitting there calmly and so another lady said, 607 00:41:58,562 --> 00:41:59,987 �Well, I don�t know why you keep doing that. 608 00:42:00,058 --> 00:42:03,001 What makes you think you�ve got something that he wants anyway?� 609 00:42:03,002 --> 00:42:04,227 And so another woman says, 610 00:42:04,297 --> 00:42:06,100 �Well, you know what? You ought to just take off your clothes 611 00:42:06,101 --> 00:42:08,601 and show him what you got. You ain�t got nothing.� 612 00:42:08,713 --> 00:42:11,785 And so, by this time, they looked back to Jones 613 00:42:11,954 --> 00:42:15,204 and so he looks over his glasses, and he nods with approval. 614 00:42:15,265 --> 00:42:17,169 �Yeah, that�s a good idea.� 615 00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:22,959 She was to be totally naked and she was down to nothing but her skin, 616 00:42:23,664 --> 00:42:28,007 not even any shoes on, you know, no bra, no panties, no nothing. 617 00:42:28,054 --> 00:42:30,705 Then they begin to say what her breasts looked like, 618 00:42:30,781 --> 00:42:32,903 her stomach, butt, vagina, you name it. 619 00:42:32,991 --> 00:42:35,314 Everything they could think of, they were saying. 620 00:42:35,373 --> 00:42:37,516 By this time, her face is red, 621 00:42:37,593 --> 00:42:41,820 her body�s almost red from embarrassment, and I noticed something. 622 00:42:41,894 --> 00:42:44,501 Jones was sitting, looking over his sunglasses, 623 00:42:44,601 --> 00:42:46,917 but he had a smile on his face 624 00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:50,689 like he�s really enjoying this woman being torn down. 625 00:42:50,796 --> 00:42:54,646 I have a conscious memory of sitting there, thinking to myself, 626 00:42:54,763 --> 00:42:56,658 �This is wrong.� 627 00:42:56,793 --> 00:43:01,974 And I didn�t do a damned thing to stand up and say, �This is wrong.� 628 00:43:02,067 --> 00:43:05,764 It�s like a child in a dysfunctional family. 629 00:43:06,008 --> 00:43:10,045 On a certain level, it�s normal, you know? 630 00:43:12,046 --> 00:43:15,146 I just kind of took everything in stride. 631 00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:20,470 But then we felt like we had gotten involved and gotten in so deep that 632 00:43:21,471 --> 00:43:23,171 it was actually no way out. 633 00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:34,238 I had traveled on Bus Seven, which was Jim�s bus. 634 00:43:35,919 --> 00:43:38,298 And he sat down next to me. 635 00:43:40,399 --> 00:43:42,299 And I was sitting there and I thought, 636 00:43:42,512 --> 00:43:48,320 �That�s weird, it smells like alcohol next to me.� 637 00:43:49,252 --> 00:43:53,546 And he leaned over and he said, �Do you know what you do to me?� 638 00:43:55,941 --> 00:43:59,361 He had informed me that I was to come in... On Bus Seven, 639 00:43:59,362 --> 00:44:03,362 there was a room in the back for just him. 640 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,261 He had books. He had a desk. He had a bed. 641 00:44:08,052 --> 00:44:10,416 When everyone got off the bus at the rest stop, 642 00:44:10,925 --> 00:44:14,608 I went into his little room and I sat there and waited for him. 643 00:44:16,624 --> 00:44:22,539 And finally he opened the door, and without any talk or anything, 644 00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:25,538 he just pulled down his pants and... 645 00:44:27,539 --> 00:44:29,539 and had sex with me. 646 00:44:32,047 --> 00:44:34,942 And as I lay there frightened, 647 00:44:35,151 --> 00:44:41,117 not sure what to do, and as I shivered, he�d say to me, 648 00:44:41,558 --> 00:44:45,253 �This is for you. I�m doing this for you, Debbie.� 649 00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:57,946 Well, in 1975 it was a mayoral election in San Francisco. 650 00:44:58,032 --> 00:45:01,596 A conservative candidate and a liberal candidate, George Moscone. 651 00:45:04,093 --> 00:45:09,000 Jones had several hundred people who would go door-to-door Election Day. 652 00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:13,237 Instead of a group that might give you twenty or thirty of these people, 653 00:45:13,238 --> 00:45:16,238 or a hundred, you had three or four hundred. 654 00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:20,147 The Moscone election was very close. 655 00:45:20,334 --> 00:45:23,876 The margin of victory was probably no more than 4,000. 656 00:45:23,982 --> 00:45:29,080 So you had to credit a big chunk of decisive votes to Peoples Temple. 657 00:45:31,451 --> 00:45:35,119 The reward for the election of George Moscone 658 00:45:35,264 --> 00:45:40,721 was the appointment of Jim Jones as Chairman of the City Housing Authority. 659 00:45:43,638 --> 00:45:46,407 What was once a really boring meeting, all of a sudden, 660 00:45:46,451 --> 00:45:49,477 became like really interesting when Jim Jones became the head of it 661 00:45:49,527 --> 00:45:51,343 because we all came down on the buses. 662 00:45:51,384 --> 00:45:54,376 And we were instructed that when Jim came in, we stood, 663 00:45:54,423 --> 00:45:57,474 and when he left or spoke, we�d stand and clap. 664 00:45:57,537 --> 00:46:00,592 The sheer staginess, the controlled atmosphere 665 00:46:00,593 --> 00:46:02,993 that sort of enclosed this guy, 666 00:46:03,089 --> 00:46:06,261 made him so unusual, so different than the norm, 667 00:46:06,462 --> 00:46:09,162 that it made me very curious. 668 00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:11,902 My biggest problem was getting somebody 669 00:46:11,961 --> 00:46:16,196 to sort of talk to me about the Church in kind of conversational terms. 670 00:46:17,995 --> 00:46:21,784 I had become friends with some of the various defectors, 671 00:46:21,785 --> 00:46:24,285 and one of the defectors told me that 672 00:46:24,331 --> 00:46:27,193 she was going to speak publicly about Jones. 673 00:46:27,788 --> 00:46:30,889 And I said to her, �Well, if you�re going to speak publicly, 674 00:46:30,977 --> 00:46:34,692 I�m going to speak with you. I�m not going to let you do this alone.� 675 00:46:35,785 --> 00:46:39,907 I finally heard from some ex-members who heard 676 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,665 I was interested in writing a story about the Temple for�New West�magazine, 677 00:46:43,755 --> 00:46:45,652 and they took a chance. They called me and some of them said, 678 00:46:45,653 --> 00:46:47,453 you know, �You don�t know nothing about the Church. 679 00:46:47,509 --> 00:46:50,765 Wait until I tell you what I went through.� 680 00:46:52,292 --> 00:46:53,953 Before the article was going to break, 681 00:46:53,954 --> 00:46:58,054 Jim convinced the publisher that she needed to read it to him. 682 00:46:58,292 --> 00:47:01,870 He was on one phone and I was on taping the other end of it, 683 00:47:01,962 --> 00:47:04,520 while somebody else listened on another one. 684 00:47:04,931 --> 00:47:09,307 Jim didn�t understand that there was no way he could talk her down 685 00:47:09,608 --> 00:47:12,708 from whatever this article was going to say. 686 00:47:12,852 --> 00:47:15,452 And as she continues to read this article, 687 00:47:15,453 --> 00:47:17,553 he�s looking around the room at about five of us 688 00:47:17,654 --> 00:47:20,310 and you could tell that he�s becoming more and more anxious and as... 689 00:47:20,393 --> 00:47:23,629 and you know, his mouth becomes dryer and dryer. 690 00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:28,030 And he realizes that this article is going to be hugely damning, 691 00:47:29,392 --> 00:47:33,413 and it was midway through it he mouths to all of us in the room, 692 00:47:33,414 --> 00:47:34,914 �We�re leaving tonight.� 693 00:47:36,146 --> 00:47:38,198 They flew out to Guyana, 694 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,399 six hours before that article was going to hit. 695 00:48:01,191 --> 00:48:05,546 When Jim Jones decided that there was too much pressure, 696 00:48:05,684 --> 00:48:09,228 too much trouble to stay in San Francisco, 697 00:48:09,403 --> 00:48:12,503 he ordered the move to Jonestown 698 00:48:12,604 --> 00:48:16,408 and it happened almost overnight. 699 00:48:16,778 --> 00:48:20,791 People were being taken to airports. 700 00:48:21,295 --> 00:48:26,515 There were people who were packing their belongings and leaving their homes, 701 00:48:26,618 --> 00:48:31,248 with virtually no explanation to their family members 702 00:48:31,249 --> 00:48:34,849 as to where they were going or why they were going. 703 00:48:36,436 --> 00:48:42,009 Fred Lewis came home and found that his wife had taken their seven children 704 00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:46,720 and gone to Guyana, along with all their possessions. 705 00:48:49,690 --> 00:48:53,040 My wife had gone over three months prior. 706 00:48:53,158 --> 00:48:54,419 And I was waiting on pins and needles, 707 00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:58,320 and I was talking to her probably twice a week on the hand radio 708 00:48:59,778 --> 00:49:01,727 and Leona Collier came up, 709 00:49:01,728 --> 00:49:04,928 �Ok, Eugene it�s your time, you�re going over.� 710 00:49:07,847 --> 00:49:10,607 Coming into Jonestown, you see a guard at the front gate 711 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,467 and you�re all excited, you�re going down this road. 712 00:49:13,975 --> 00:49:16,059 The trailer comes to a stop 713 00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:18,860 and then you can see the wooden pathway that leads to the pavilion. 714 00:49:18,970 --> 00:49:20,578 And you�re just... 715 00:49:20,579 --> 00:49:23,579 you want to run, but you know, you just try, �Alright I�m gonna be cool.� 716 00:49:24,541 --> 00:49:26,555 And just as you reach the edge of the pavilion, 717 00:49:26,556 --> 00:49:28,456 people started rushing you that you knew, you know. 718 00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:32,080 My wife was there. Haven�t seen my mother in over a year or so. 719 00:49:32,176 --> 00:49:36,935 And I�m just hugging people and it�s just... it�s like, I have arrived 720 00:49:37,009 --> 00:49:39,583 and everything is going to be okay now. 721 00:49:54,091 --> 00:49:58,702 I have never been so totally happy or fulfilled in my life. 722 00:49:58,727 --> 00:50:00,418 I can�t begin to describe it. You could sit here 723 00:50:00,502 --> 00:50:03,475 and talk all day long and no words could describe the peace, the beauty, 724 00:50:03,537 --> 00:50:07,814 the sense of accomplishment and responsibility and camaraderie that�s here. 725 00:50:07,874 --> 00:50:11,676 It�s overwhelming, it really is. You can�t describe it. 726 00:50:11,945 --> 00:50:16,355 You know, it�s just such an exciting time. Everything was new and unique and... 727 00:50:16,861 --> 00:50:20,785 and just fun. You know, we just had fun with it as it grew. 728 00:50:24,137 --> 00:50:27,216 I just loved that we created what we ate, 729 00:50:27,264 --> 00:50:29,751 that we did all these jobs. 730 00:50:32,036 --> 00:50:34,634 What you think about your friends back down in the States? 731 00:50:34,656 --> 00:50:36,470 You think they should be here? 732 00:50:36,857 --> 00:50:40,181 Do you want to share with them this morning? Speak up! 733 00:50:40,256 --> 00:50:42,529 - I wished I could, share with them, - Can you do it? 734 00:50:43,131 --> 00:50:46,895 - but they won�t listen to me. - Would you do it? Won�t listen to you, huh? 735 00:50:48,598 --> 00:50:51,385 When you don�t have anything, 736 00:50:51,413 --> 00:50:53,456 you own Jonestown you are part of Jonestown. 737 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,060 You were a shareholder of Jonestown if you were African American. 738 00:50:58,369 --> 00:51:04,156 It gave them the opportunity to... to really be a part of creating a utopia. 739 00:51:45,122 --> 00:51:47,344 I think that Jim Jones took his group down there 740 00:51:47,403 --> 00:51:49,401 because he was afraid to face the publicity 741 00:51:49,402 --> 00:51:52,302 and answer the questions here in this country. 742 00:51:52,374 --> 00:51:54,845 I don�t think that he feels confident 743 00:51:54,877 --> 00:51:57,512 having people talk to their relatives. 744 00:51:57,582 --> 00:52:00,600 I think the only way he can survive and sustain what he started 745 00:52:00,644 --> 00:52:04,858 is to isolate all his followers from this country and from their families. 746 00:52:05,698 --> 00:52:08,368 The Concerned Relatives were the ex-members 747 00:52:08,432 --> 00:52:10,934 who wanted other family members, still in the church, 748 00:52:11,014 --> 00:52:12,691 to know they could leave. 749 00:52:12,778 --> 00:52:16,058 They wanted them to feel that there was an outside world, 750 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,391 that Jones was wrong about telling people they could never leave the church, 751 00:52:18,461 --> 00:52:21,753 and that they would be treated badly in the real world. 752 00:52:22,028 --> 00:52:27,593 The Concerned Relatives prompted FCC�investigation of Peoples Temple. 753 00:52:27,672 --> 00:52:32,366 They organized letter-writing campaigns to public officials, to members of Congress. 754 00:52:32,457 --> 00:52:37,409 They were incredibly effective in mobilizing government 755 00:52:37,507 --> 00:52:40,455 and media interest in Peoples Temple. 756 00:52:40,516 --> 00:52:43,007 He was talking integration. He was talking helping people. 757 00:52:43,045 --> 00:52:45,847 He was talking better this and better that. 758 00:52:45,848 --> 00:52:48,848 What about now? What�s your impression now? 759 00:52:49,891 --> 00:52:53,881 My impression now, that those are fronts for him. 760 00:52:53,882 --> 00:52:56,182 I think he�s gone crazy. 761 00:53:03,518 --> 00:53:08,279 When Jim Jones wasn�t there, things tended to be a little bit lighter. 762 00:53:09,419 --> 00:53:11,625 You know, people would be dancing or singing. 763 00:53:11,626 --> 00:53:14,626 There would be music in different cottages. 764 00:53:16,397 --> 00:53:20,405 But when Jones was present, it was very, very dark. 765 00:53:20,502 --> 00:53:22,625 It was almost like a dark cloud. 766 00:53:26,698 --> 00:53:29,794 In Jonestown, there was a speaker system 767 00:53:29,795 --> 00:53:31,795 and only Jim spoke on it. 768 00:53:31,861 --> 00:53:36,221 And it went twenty-four hours a day and he would tape himself. 769 00:53:36,321 --> 00:53:38,922 So, in the middle of the night, all through the night, 770 00:53:38,923 --> 00:53:41,123 his voice was talking to you. 771 00:53:41,188 --> 00:53:44,667 The United States is calling for the removal of all Blacks and Indians. 772 00:53:44,668 --> 00:53:45,868 So is England. 773 00:53:45,917 --> 00:53:51,186 They want to have their immigrant Black, Indian population removed in six months. 774 00:53:51,614 --> 00:53:55,080 We had no other radio or T.V. or communication with parents 775 00:53:55,163 --> 00:54:01,105 or any kind of, you know, update that could show us, really, 776 00:54:01,156 --> 00:54:06,185 that there�s a whole other thing going on besides what Jim was interpreting for us. 777 00:54:06,218 --> 00:54:08,347 I make my stand clear. 778 00:54:08,448 --> 00:54:12,448 Give us our liberty or give us our death. 779 00:54:12,804 --> 00:54:15,436 No matter where you were, you could hear. 780 00:54:16,063 --> 00:54:20,024 You could hear it in your... in your bunk at night. 781 00:54:20,115 --> 00:54:22,587 You could hear it when you�re in the outhouse. 782 00:54:22,688 --> 00:54:26,388 You could hear it when you were working in the field. 783 00:54:27,618 --> 00:54:29,942 You... you could hear it all the time. 784 00:54:29,997 --> 00:54:32,949 At least on those terms, we choose our death 785 00:54:33,047 --> 00:54:35,218 and no one chooses it for us. 786 00:54:35,419 --> 00:54:37,519 Don�t try to take any of our children. 787 00:54:38,004 --> 00:54:43,675 There was this pervasive sense of being under attack in Jonestown. 788 00:54:43,788 --> 00:54:47,404 He told them that things were just getting worse in the United States, 789 00:54:47,483 --> 00:54:49,317 they couldn�t go back home. 790 00:54:49,383 --> 00:54:53,203 And not only that, but these forces were traveling to Guyana 791 00:54:53,243 --> 00:54:55,250 to destroy them there. 792 00:54:55,329 --> 00:54:58,037 You can�t know how much of a conspiracy there is 793 00:54:58,038 --> 00:54:59,638 in the U.S. these days. 794 00:54:59,815 --> 00:55:01,857 Maybe it�s economics? Who knows what it is? 795 00:55:01,858 --> 00:55:04,658 I�m not able to say. But I do know it�s real. 796 00:55:04,803 --> 00:55:08,050 It�s obvious that Martin Luther King was murdered by conspiracy, 797 00:55:08,051 --> 00:55:09,551 Malcolm X, Senator Kennedy� 798 00:55:09,613 --> 00:55:13,316 Over the summer of 1978, all of us noticed that 799 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:15,702 Jim was seemed to be getting sicker. 800 00:55:15,807 --> 00:55:20,080 His harangues over the loudspeaker were getting more and more frantic, 801 00:55:20,184 --> 00:55:23,481 and really just sounding more and more insane. 802 00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:28,795 He had gotten to the place that even his voice was becoming slurred, 803 00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,312 and he said it was because 804 00:55:31,343 --> 00:55:35,325 the nurse was giving him the wrong medications. 805 00:55:35,471 --> 00:55:38,920 But yet still, everyday it was getting worse and worse. 806 00:55:40,522 --> 00:55:42,372 Every night, at some point, 807 00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:45,373 his voice would come over the loudspeaker and he�d say, 808 00:55:45,575 --> 00:55:47,856 �I�m sending somebody out tonight, 809 00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:50,834 somebody you know, somebody you trust 810 00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:53,932 and they�re going to act like they want to leave. 811 00:55:54,071 --> 00:55:58,355 But this is a loyalty test and you need to turn them in.� 812 00:56:00,425 --> 00:56:03,981 A father would turn in a son. A husband would turn in a wife. 813 00:56:04,053 --> 00:56:07,350 A small child would turn in a parent. 814 00:56:09,195 --> 00:56:14,194 There was no freedom to express to one another what was going on, 815 00:56:14,252 --> 00:56:17,466 because everything was suspect. 816 00:56:17,862 --> 00:56:22,947 The most forbidden thing to express was to leave. 817 00:56:24,316 --> 00:56:27,631 He had a real issue with separation. 818 00:56:28,632 --> 00:56:30,932 People could not leave him. 819 00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:37,937 He took it as a betrayal to the cause, and to him personally. 820 00:56:39,331 --> 00:56:44,466 He said, �I really want to get away from him. By Christmas, I will be gone.� 821 00:56:44,572 --> 00:56:49,033 By Christmas, do you want to be gone? By Christmas, do you want to be gone?! 822 00:56:49,103 --> 00:56:51,672 By Christmas, do you want to be gone?!! 823 00:56:51,731 --> 00:56:55,057 I would ask you, could I go home and make a trip to see my people? 824 00:56:55,141 --> 00:56:58,663 I have the power to send you home by Christmas, 825 00:56:58,757 --> 00:57:01,148 but it�s not on Transworld Airlines. 826 00:57:01,275 --> 00:57:05,286 It�s blasphemy! It�s blasphemy to talk about going back 827 00:57:05,369 --> 00:57:07,715 when you have not been given any approval! 828 00:57:07,768 --> 00:57:10,004 Do you want to go home? 829 00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:13,425 - No. - Well, then be seated and shut your mouth 830 00:57:13,426 --> 00:57:15,583 and don�t be in my face anymore. 831 00:57:21,149 --> 00:57:24,995 Congressman Ryan was unique in the political sphere. 832 00:57:25,065 --> 00:57:29,003 He had this hands-on approach to legislating. 833 00:57:29,004 --> 00:57:32,504 He just didn�t take no for an answer. 834 00:57:32,576 --> 00:57:36,592 So when he was in the state assembly, he went to Folsom State Prison 835 00:57:37,025 --> 00:57:39,014 and spent a week as an inmate 836 00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:42,881 to understand the prison issues and prison reform. 837 00:57:43,999 --> 00:57:46,385 He became concerned 838 00:57:46,386 --> 00:57:51,586 because a number of residents in San Mateo County had become 839 00:57:51,646 --> 00:57:53,158 members of the Peoples Temple 840 00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:56,159 and family members started contacting him, 841 00:57:56,215 --> 00:57:59,151 concerned about their whereabouts 842 00:57:59,184 --> 00:58:04,315 and concerned about whether or not they were being held against their will. 843 00:58:05,008 --> 00:58:09,286 The word we were getting was that there was an armed encampment. 844 00:58:10,797 --> 00:58:14,234 It was enough for the Congressman to say, 845 00:58:14,289 --> 00:58:17,667 �You know what? I want to go find out for myself.� 846 00:58:27,236 --> 00:58:31,410 There was a lot of preparation for Congressman Ryan�s visit. 847 00:58:31,487 --> 00:58:35,922 There was all these different scenarios that were presented. 848 00:58:36,177 --> 00:58:39,028 He wasn�t going to let him in. He was going to let him in. 849 00:58:39,803 --> 00:58:41,291 We were going to wait for them to come in 850 00:58:41,292 --> 00:58:43,692 and we were going to kill 'em all when they came in. 851 00:58:44,573 --> 00:58:46,900 I was very fearful about making the trip. 852 00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:49,586 I had a copy of the Congressman�s will 853 00:58:49,587 --> 00:58:53,987 and placed it in a particular drawer in my desk, 854 00:58:55,386 --> 00:58:57,308 just in case. 855 00:59:04,745 --> 00:59:08,726 We flew in sometime in the afternoon, about 6pm. 856 00:59:09,525 --> 00:59:14,515 We saw this beautiful sign, �Welcome to Jonestown.� 857 00:59:16,033 --> 00:59:21,048 As we approached Jonestown, it was spartan, 858 00:59:21,546 --> 00:59:25,474 but very impressive. 859 00:59:25,657 --> 00:59:28,285 How could you not be impressed that 860 00:59:28,362 --> 00:59:32,949 out of the jungles of Guyana, they had carved out a community? 861 00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:37,870 They had crops growing. They had cabins. 862 00:59:37,929 --> 00:59:41,184 They had a little medical clinic, a little daycare area. 863 00:59:42,041 --> 00:59:46,019 Flour, rice, black-eyed peas, 864 00:59:46,891 --> 00:59:48,491 more peas. 865 00:59:48,492 --> 00:59:50,150 We have different containers surrounding the place 866 00:59:50,283 --> 00:59:54,048 we couldn�t go through all of the tremendous inventory they built up. Kool-aid... 867 01:00:04,293 --> 01:00:06,616 When Ryan came, he came on a Friday night 868 01:00:07,617 --> 01:00:10,617 and we put on a reception for him. 869 01:00:11,485 --> 01:00:15,616 The songs that we sang that night, it was people saying, 870 01:00:15,688 --> 01:00:18,400 �This is who we are and this is what we are about.� 871 01:00:32,935 --> 01:00:35,569 It was a vibrant community. 872 01:00:35,970 --> 01:00:39,570 I would never have imagined that twenty-four hours later, 873 01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:41,867 those people would be dead. 874 01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:06,805 Everything up to that point was, was... was good. 875 01:01:06,858 --> 01:01:10,469 Everybody was thrilled that Ryan was thrilled. 876 01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:12,270 He just kind of praised us. 877 01:01:12,339 --> 01:01:15,698 I think that all of you know that I am here to find out more about... 878 01:01:15,784 --> 01:01:17,835 Questions have been raised about your operation here. 879 01:01:17,947 --> 01:01:19,303 And I can tell you right now, 880 01:01:19,304 --> 01:01:22,204 that from the few conversations I�ve had with some of the folks here 881 01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:23,581 already this evening, 882 01:01:23,582 --> 01:01:26,582 that whatever these comments are, there are some people here who believe 883 01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:29,882 that this is the best thing they�ve ever had in their whole lives. 884 01:01:38,436 --> 01:01:42,671 That response to him was spontaneous. It was loud. 885 01:01:42,790 --> 01:01:45,519 It was emotional. 886 01:01:48,421 --> 01:01:53,989 What I was feeling was, this is an opportunity that I can vocalize 887 01:01:54,129 --> 01:01:57,385 how much I believe in what we are doing here. 888 01:01:57,619 --> 01:01:58,913 The reporter next to me said, 889 01:01:59,097 --> 01:02:01,044 �I�ve never felt anything like this before,� and I said, 890 01:02:01,089 --> 01:02:04,828 �Because you haven�t felt anything like this before.� 891 01:02:11,781 --> 01:02:14,753 I actually felt pretty good overall. 892 01:02:15,091 --> 01:02:19,297 This went probably as well as it possibly could go, so far. 893 01:02:23,888 --> 01:02:28,109 When Congressman Ryan came, I wanted to pass him a note 894 01:02:28,196 --> 01:02:31,054 that said, �Help us get out of Jonestown.� 895 01:02:33,377 --> 01:02:38,310 When one of the reporters was walking around toward the edge of the pavilion, 896 01:02:38,673 --> 01:02:44,533 I stuck the note in the fold of his arm and it fell to the ground. 897 01:02:45,227 --> 01:02:47,961 And so I picked up the note and I... and I gave it back to him. 898 01:02:47,962 --> 01:02:51,462 I said, �You dropped something,� and this little boy, about nine years old, 899 01:02:51,541 --> 01:02:54,002 started saying, �He passed a note! He passed a note!� 900 01:02:54,078 --> 01:02:57,360 Don Harris, who was the�NBC�reporter, 901 01:02:58,315 --> 01:03:01,204 came up to me and Congressman Ryan 902 01:03:01,276 --> 01:03:07,000 and handed us these two notes from people that wanted to leave. 903 01:03:07,435 --> 01:03:08,935 So at that point, 904 01:03:09,736 --> 01:03:14,436 we knew that something was very, very wrong. 905 01:03:28,266 --> 01:03:34,055 I was like the first to rise up the following morning. 906 01:03:35,024 --> 01:03:40,422 It was a bright sunny day, but it was a dark day. 907 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,063 It just didn�t feel right. 908 01:03:43,129 --> 01:03:46,622 We were there, supposed to interview some of the family members 909 01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:49,035 to ask them why they cannot leave. 910 01:03:49,038 --> 01:03:50,550 Are you happy here? 911 01:03:50,575 --> 01:03:53,432 Oh, I should say I am. I�ve never been any happier in my life. 912 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,940 Do you want to stay? 913 01:03:54,941 --> 01:03:58,496 Definitely. I certainly do. 914 01:03:58,576 --> 01:04:02,259 Some people have said they couldn�t leave if they wanted to. 915 01:04:02,368 --> 01:04:04,088 Do you think you could? 916 01:04:04,167 --> 01:04:06,783 Yeah. If I really wanted to I�m... I�m free to go, 917 01:04:06,817 --> 01:04:10,161 if I really wanted to. I would be free to go. 918 01:04:10,351 --> 01:04:14,017 Well, I believe it. I�ve been here a few days and I have... 919 01:04:14,018 --> 01:04:16,018 I have absolutely no complaints at all. 920 01:04:16,129 --> 01:04:19,130 It is really nice here. It is really nice. 921 01:04:19,188 --> 01:04:21,533 And I�ll be leaving in a couple weeks 922 01:04:21,631 --> 01:04:24,838 and they could come with me, but they said they didn�t want to come. 923 01:04:28,575 --> 01:04:32,315 Literally, out of nowhere, this storm came blowing in. 924 01:04:32,407 --> 01:04:35,839 The sky turned black. The wind came up and it just, 925 01:04:35,932 --> 01:04:38,342 torrential rain. 926 01:04:39,209 --> 01:04:45,099 But what I personally felt was that evil itself blew into Jonestown. 927 01:04:48,687 --> 01:04:50,807 It was about 11:30 in the morning. 928 01:04:51,008 --> 01:04:53,908 Edith Parks walked up to Jackie Speier and said, 929 01:04:53,968 --> 01:04:56,976 �I�m being held prisoner here, I want to go home.� 930 01:04:57,093 --> 01:04:59,745 Now do I both understand you to say that 931 01:04:59,746 --> 01:05:02,746 you both want to leave Jonestown on this date, 932 01:05:02,850 --> 01:05:05,103 November 18th, 1978? 933 01:05:05,173 --> 01:05:07,960 Immediately, the whole vibe changed. 934 01:05:08,027 --> 01:05:10,369 I mean this reporter said, �We got our story.� 935 01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:12,370 You know, �The story�s here. It�s happening right now.� 936 01:05:12,416 --> 01:05:17,320 Jim Jones came to talk to me and the first thing he said was, 937 01:05:17,614 --> 01:05:21,528 �Don�t say anything to the reporters. They�re all liars.� 938 01:05:22,405 --> 01:05:24,901 The last words I heard from Jim Jones was, 939 01:05:24,902 --> 01:05:28,735 �I just want you to know that you can come back to Jonestown 940 01:05:28,795 --> 01:05:31,256 and visit your son any time you want.� 941 01:05:31,368 --> 01:05:35,109 Last night, someone came and passed me this note. 942 01:05:36,012 --> 01:05:38,267 He�s the one that I�m just talking about. 943 01:05:39,468 --> 01:05:42,268 This is the man that wants to leave his son here. 944 01:05:43,662 --> 01:05:47,490 Doesn�t it concern you, though, that this man, for whatever reason, 945 01:05:47,605 --> 01:05:49,467 one of the people in your group� 946 01:05:49,526 --> 01:05:53,328 People play games, friend. They lie. They lie. 947 01:05:53,404 --> 01:05:54,728 What can I do about liars? 948 01:05:54,816 --> 01:05:59,073 Are you people going to leave us. I just beg you, please leave us. 949 01:05:59,190 --> 01:06:01,133 Bill, we will bother nobody. 950 01:06:01,134 --> 01:06:03,234 Anybody wants to get out of here, can get out of here. 951 01:06:03,352 --> 01:06:05,024 They have no problem about getting out of here. 952 01:06:05,065 --> 01:06:09,099 They come and go all the time. I don�t know what kind of games people like. 953 01:06:09,132 --> 01:06:12,499 Who... people like publicity. Some people do. I don�t. 954 01:06:13,115 --> 01:06:14,313 But some people like publicity. 955 01:06:14,386 --> 01:06:17,967 But if it�s so damned bad, why is he leaving his son here? 956 01:06:18,418 --> 01:06:20,561 Can you give me a good reason for that? 957 01:06:20,629 --> 01:06:24,845 When word got out that people were leaving, 958 01:06:26,363 --> 01:06:27,919 all hell broke out. 959 01:06:27,983 --> 01:06:30,463 You bring those kids back here! 960 01:06:30,648 --> 01:06:32,930 You bring them back! 961 01:06:33,282 --> 01:06:35,481 Don�t you touch my kids! 962 01:06:36,371 --> 01:06:38,290 More people wanted to leave. 963 01:06:38,375 --> 01:06:42,933 And then Jim Jones started to make pleas to people, saying, 964 01:06:43,024 --> 01:06:46,361 �You can�t leave. You�re my people. 965 01:06:46,838 --> 01:06:48,941 Why do you want to leave?� 966 01:06:50,437 --> 01:06:54,702 It was an emotional roller coaster for everyone there. 967 01:06:54,759 --> 01:06:57,159 Don�t you touch my kids! 968 01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,460 Mother! 969 01:06:59,961 --> 01:07:02,761 You�re not taking my kids! No! 970 01:07:04,681 --> 01:07:06,914 Jones was in the pavilion. 971 01:07:07,915 --> 01:07:09,115 At one point, he said, 972 01:07:09,179 --> 01:07:10,765 �Well, of course you can go if you want.� 973 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:13,593 But clearly, that was not the message. 974 01:07:13,629 --> 01:07:16,341 The message was, �You are betraying me.� 975 01:07:18,462 --> 01:07:21,893 I went and I spoke to the Congressman in the pavilion. 976 01:07:22,819 --> 01:07:28,622 I told him, �You are in extreme danger. You need to leave.� 977 01:07:30,121 --> 01:07:32,822 And he said, �You don�t have anything to worry about.� 978 01:07:32,944 --> 01:07:36,780 He says, �You have the Congressional shield of protection around you.� 979 01:07:37,462 --> 01:07:42,437 And I just looked at him like he was totally insane. 980 01:07:43,507 --> 01:07:45,803 Congressman Ryan was directly across from me, 981 01:07:45,901 --> 01:07:49,509 and I saw this Temple member walk up behind him 982 01:07:49,598 --> 01:07:52,208 and he was actually crying and shaking 983 01:07:52,282 --> 01:07:55,596 and all of a sudden, he pulled out this knife and said, 984 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,848 �All right, motherfucker, you�re gonna die.� 985 01:07:57,927 --> 01:08:01,299 We all jumped on him, and there were just screams of horror 986 01:08:01,372 --> 01:08:02,961 everywhere. 987 01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:08,601 We heard this great uproar in the pavilion and the truck stopped. 988 01:08:09,050 --> 01:08:12,443 Then, shortly thereafter, Congressman Ryan starts walking out 989 01:08:12,515 --> 01:08:14,862 in this bloodstained shirt. 990 01:08:16,414 --> 01:08:20,394 Those of us in the news media viewed Congressman Ryan 991 01:08:20,502 --> 01:08:25,090 as a form of protection, a shield of the United States. 992 01:08:26,211 --> 01:08:29,327 What happened there in those few moments 993 01:08:29,401 --> 01:08:33,130 made it clear that nobody was safe. 994 01:08:38,101 --> 01:08:41,258 I went back to my cottage. 995 01:08:41,394 --> 01:08:44,677 All I wanted to do was see my wife and my son. 996 01:08:45,526 --> 01:08:47,804 Gloria and I were laid down on the cot and we just held each other 997 01:08:47,898 --> 01:08:50,168 and I said, �You know, I think we may all die.� 998 01:08:50,283 --> 01:08:54,112 And she said, she kind of looked at me and then she looked down at our son, 999 01:08:54,197 --> 01:08:56,206 who was playing on the floor with the toys, 1000 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,246 and she said, �You�re scaring him.� 1001 01:08:58,426 --> 01:09:02,213 I had literally opened my mouth to say we need to leave, 1002 01:09:02,443 --> 01:09:04,168 when there was an announcement on the loud speaker, 1003 01:09:04,169 --> 01:09:07,369 �Will everybody report to the pavilion for a meeting.� 1004 01:09:19,097 --> 01:09:22,407 We drove back to the airstrip, Port Kaituma. 1005 01:09:23,911 --> 01:09:29,593 All of a sudden, we saw a dump truck from far away arriving to this airstrip. 1006 01:09:29,887 --> 01:09:33,090 We realized these people catch up from people from Jim Jones, 1007 01:09:33,091 --> 01:09:36,091 they�re very close lieutenant to Jim Jones. 1008 01:09:39,318 --> 01:09:40,902 These three guys, 1009 01:09:40,903 --> 01:09:43,203 they get off the truck and walk around this area 1010 01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,496 as though they were looking for somebody. 1011 01:09:45,569 --> 01:09:47,499 They looked in people�s faces. 1012 01:09:47,584 --> 01:09:50,125 They stared at us for a little bit, but they didn�t say one word. 1013 01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:52,056 They didn�t ask anything. 1014 01:09:52,163 --> 01:09:54,287 Right away, they walked back to the truck. 1015 01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,078 They drove this truck all the way across the airstrip 1016 01:10:00,220 --> 01:10:02,894 and stop on this side of the plane, 1017 01:10:03,018 --> 01:10:06,328 so literally they cut us off from the jungle. 1018 01:10:08,345 --> 01:10:12,258 We never know there�s people hidden inside the dump truck. 1019 01:10:12,351 --> 01:10:15,575 The moment it stopped, they start shooting right away. 1020 01:10:19,851 --> 01:10:23,513 Everybody ran toward the plane, on this side of plane. 1021 01:10:23,603 --> 01:10:25,918 They try to hide underneath the wheels. 1022 01:10:25,973 --> 01:10:30,209 Then the Congressman ran under the plane, and I sort of followed suit 1023 01:10:30,325 --> 01:10:33,534 and got behind one of the tires. 1024 01:10:36,124 --> 01:10:40,378 All you can hear is the gun "pop, pop, pop" goes off constantly. 1025 01:10:40,795 --> 01:10:44,045 We lie flat on the tarmac at that moment. 1026 01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:49,098 But shortly afterwards, I heard my partner, the cameraman. 1027 01:10:49,206 --> 01:10:52,497 He yelled, �Oh shit.� He said he got... he got shot. He was sitting up. 1028 01:10:54,985 --> 01:10:58,242 There were people tumbling and yelling 1029 01:10:58,443 --> 01:11:01,743 and letting out cries as they were hit. 1030 01:11:02,818 --> 01:11:06,041 I was hit in my arm and wrist. 1031 01:11:06,402 --> 01:11:09,850 I felt a tremendous explosion, right next to my head. 1032 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,689 I got a tremendous pain ran through my arm and on my shoulder. 1033 01:11:15,058 --> 01:11:17,705 I was really shaking, but I didn�t move. 1034 01:11:17,796 --> 01:11:20,635 I took the pain and hold still. 1035 01:11:21,087 --> 01:11:25,914 I was lying on my side, pretending that I was dead, 1036 01:11:26,044 --> 01:11:28,316 with my head down. And... 1037 01:11:32,898 --> 01:11:37,982 they came and shot me at point blank, 1038 01:11:38,283 --> 01:11:40,283 point blank range. 1039 01:11:41,749 --> 01:11:44,746 I remember someone coming to me 1040 01:11:44,815 --> 01:11:47,390 and telling me that Congressman Ryan was dead. 1041 01:11:47,469 --> 01:11:51,091 But I was at a point where I didn�t know 1042 01:11:51,191 --> 01:11:54,559 how much more time I was going to be alive. 1043 01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:02,412 The gun�s dead and all we can hear this one engine was still running. 1044 01:12:02,507 --> 01:12:05,982 So all you could hear the engine noise. And that�s it. 1045 01:12:17,341 --> 01:12:20,687 We walked up to the pavilion together, with everybody else. 1046 01:12:20,764 --> 01:12:23,882 It was very quiet. It was very somber. It was very sad, 1047 01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:26,723 but it wasn�t a death march. 1048 01:12:27,198 --> 01:12:28,936 The congressman is dead! 1049 01:12:31,569 --> 01:12:34,331 You think they�re going to allow us to get by with this? 1050 01:12:35,992 --> 01:12:39,705 You must be insane. They�ll torture some of our children here. 1051 01:12:39,749 --> 01:12:41,730 They�ll torture our people. They�ll torture our seniors. 1052 01:12:41,731 --> 01:12:43,431 We can not have this! 1053 01:12:43,849 --> 01:12:45,779 He said, �Well, we got to go. 1054 01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:49,280 We got to get out of here. We got to... we got to go to sleep. 1055 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:52,413 Get the solution together.� 1056 01:12:52,497 --> 01:12:56,361 If we can�t live in peace, then let�s die in peace. 1057 01:12:58,766 --> 01:13:01,395 Maria Katsaris walked up to him and whispered in his ear, 1058 01:13:01,463 --> 01:13:04,778 and he looked at her and said, �Is there anyway to make it taste less bitter?� 1059 01:13:05,758 --> 01:13:07,800 And she said, �No, no apparently not.� 1060 01:13:07,895 --> 01:13:09,786 And he said, �Is it quick?� 1061 01:13:09,889 --> 01:13:13,182 And she said, �Yeah, it�s supposed to be quick.� 1062 01:13:13,309 --> 01:13:17,559 Anyone that has any dissenting opinion, please speak. 1063 01:13:18,583 --> 01:13:21,445 When we destroy ourselves, we�re defeated. 1064 01:13:21,823 --> 01:13:24,668 We let them, the enemies, defeat us. 1065 01:13:24,859 --> 01:13:27,917 On the last day of Jonestown, Christine Miller stood up and said, 1066 01:13:27,984 --> 01:13:29,363 �I don�t want to die here. 1067 01:13:29,426 --> 01:13:32,988 Why are we going to throw all this away? We�ve worked too hard.� 1068 01:13:33,083 --> 01:13:36,126 I look at all the babies, and I think they deserve to live. 1069 01:13:36,224 --> 01:13:40,426 I agree, but also they deserve� What�s more, they deserve peace. 1070 01:13:42,241 --> 01:13:47,489 We all came here for peace. Is it too late for Russia? 1071 01:13:47,878 --> 01:13:51,083 She�s calling Jim Jones on some of the things that 1072 01:13:51,182 --> 01:13:54,164 he has promised them that they were going to do. 1073 01:13:54,917 --> 01:13:59,013 Jim had promised, as an alternative to them dying in Jonestown, 1074 01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:01,522 that they could go to the Soviet Union. 1075 01:14:01,604 --> 01:14:03,904 I�m listening to you. You asked me about Russia. 1076 01:14:03,977 --> 01:14:05,936 I�m right now making a call to Russia. 1077 01:14:06,036 --> 01:14:08,195 What more do you suggest? 1078 01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:10,377 Eventually, the rhetoric ratchets up enough 1079 01:14:10,378 --> 01:14:12,078 that she is shouted down. 1080 01:14:12,188 --> 01:14:15,695 Christine, your life has been extended to today. 1081 01:14:15,763 --> 01:14:18,375 That you�re standing there is because of him. 1082 01:14:19,677 --> 01:14:22,800 That�s when I noticed that there were armed guards 1083 01:14:22,874 --> 01:14:25,350 that had kind of taken positions up around the pavilion. 1084 01:14:25,551 --> 01:14:26,751 I�m thinking, 1085 01:14:26,854 --> 01:14:29,594 �Where did all of these fucking guns come from?� 1086 01:14:31,344 --> 01:14:35,823 Jones came down off the podium 1087 01:14:35,924 --> 01:14:39,624 and he said, �Hey, we got to do this. 1088 01:14:40,238 --> 01:14:42,047 We got to... we got to go, 1089 01:14:42,148 --> 01:14:45,681 that if we don�t go this way, we going to go like this.� 1090 01:14:46,991 --> 01:14:49,771 They were coming, taking like newborn babies 1091 01:14:49,972 --> 01:14:51,672 out of their mothers� arms. 1092 01:14:51,822 --> 01:14:54,605 Mother, mother, mother, mother, mother please. 1093 01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,825 Mother, please, please, please don�t� 1094 01:14:58,826 --> 01:15:00,826 Don�t do this! Don�t do this! 1095 01:15:02,498 --> 01:15:06,115 Lay down your life with your child. But don�t do this. 1096 01:15:09,758 --> 01:15:13,416 There was a young kid, his name was Sunny 1097 01:15:13,917 --> 01:15:15,917 and when he came inside, 1098 01:15:16,218 --> 01:15:18,818 he bumped into me. 1099 01:15:19,028 --> 01:15:21,151 At that same time, he�s falling to the ground 1100 01:15:21,152 --> 01:15:23,552 and he�s going into convulsion. 1101 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,175 Hurry, hurry, my children, hurry! 1102 01:15:26,176 --> 01:15:29,176 All right, let us not fall into the hands of the enemy. 1103 01:15:29,225 --> 01:15:32,616 Hurry my children! Hurry! 1104 01:15:32,676 --> 01:15:36,750 I grabbed the kid from the shoulders up, 1105 01:15:37,051 --> 01:15:41,251 and in that process of taking him out of the pavilion, 1106 01:15:41,696 --> 01:15:43,874 this kid died in my arms. 1107 01:15:43,875 --> 01:15:47,875 I mean, I just felt the life go out of him. 1108 01:15:47,968 --> 01:15:52,930 To me... at that point, I knew that this shit was real. 1109 01:15:54,324 --> 01:15:57,752 Die with respect, die with a degree of dignity. 1110 01:15:57,907 --> 01:16:00,927 It�s nothing to death, it�s just stepping over into another plane. 1111 01:16:00,928 --> 01:16:03,028 Don�t, don�t be this way! 1112 01:16:04,953 --> 01:16:07,046 I ain�t never used the term �suicide,� 1113 01:16:07,047 --> 01:16:09,747 and I�m not gonna never use the term �suicide.� 1114 01:16:09,881 --> 01:16:12,613 That man killed... was killing us. 1115 01:16:13,653 --> 01:16:16,671 As I walked up to the back of the pavilion, 1116 01:16:16,672 --> 01:16:20,372 I saw a woman named Rosie on the ground crying, 1117 01:16:20,373 --> 01:16:22,373 holding her dead baby. 1118 01:16:22,467 --> 01:16:25,485 There were maybe eight or nine other people who were dying, 1119 01:16:25,486 --> 01:16:27,586 or in the process of dying. 1120 01:16:27,741 --> 01:16:33,387 Inside, I just wanted things to stop. Please, just let me catch my breath, 1121 01:16:33,533 --> 01:16:36,467 let me figure out what�s happening here. 1122 01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:41,650 I looked to my right and I saw my wife, 1123 01:16:41,654 --> 01:16:44,163 with our son in her arms 1124 01:16:44,564 --> 01:16:48,164 and poison being injected into his mouth. 1125 01:16:49,561 --> 01:16:52,413 My son was dead and he was frothing at the mouth. 1126 01:16:52,485 --> 01:16:55,536 You know, cyanide makes people froth at the mouth. 1127 01:16:56,763 --> 01:16:58,594 My wife died in my arms 1128 01:16:58,709 --> 01:17:01,566 and my dead baby son was in her arms. 1129 01:17:01,627 --> 01:17:06,085 And I held her and said, �I love you, I love you,� because it�s all I could say. 1130 01:17:10,185 --> 01:17:11,990 She died in my arms, man. 1131 01:17:12,076 --> 01:17:15,169 Quickly! Quickly! Quickly! Quickly! Quickly! 1132 01:17:17,151 --> 01:17:19,601 Where is the vat? The vat, the vat� 1133 01:17:19,726 --> 01:17:22,287 Bring it here, so the adults can begin. 1134 01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,924 My wife came up to me, she didn�t have no tears in her eyes. 1135 01:17:27,972 --> 01:17:30,891 She just was... was just in a daze. 1136 01:17:31,939 --> 01:17:36,757 �My mother, my grandmother, my sister, my brother, they gone." 1137 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,670 You know she said, �Just take me. Just take me 1138 01:17:40,871 --> 01:17:44,671 and just lay me down next to my grandmamma.� 1139 01:17:45,127 --> 01:17:47,927 And she went up to that Kool-Aid, 1140 01:17:47,928 --> 01:17:49,828 to that death barrel 1141 01:17:50,328 --> 01:17:53,704 and she just, didn�t hesitate, just took it and drunk it 1142 01:17:53,771 --> 01:17:56,957 and then told me to hold her, to take her, and I did. 1143 01:17:57,026 --> 01:17:59,047 And she died in my arms. 1144 01:18:00,248 --> 01:18:02,548 And once I laid her down 1145 01:18:02,597 --> 01:18:06,373 and she told me how she wanted to lay with her grandmother, 1146 01:18:06,633 --> 01:18:09,874 I... at that point, knew that 1147 01:18:10,175 --> 01:18:12,875 I didn�t have no reason to be here no more. 1148 01:18:14,346 --> 01:18:17,079 We laid it down, we got tired. 1149 01:18:21,116 --> 01:18:22,841 We didn�t commit suicide. 1150 01:18:22,842 --> 01:18:25,142 We committed an act of revolutionary suicide 1151 01:18:25,246 --> 01:18:29,502 protesting the conditions of an inhumane world. 1152 01:18:34,571 --> 01:18:36,571 We were just fucking slaughtered. 1153 01:18:37,772 --> 01:18:39,813 Fucking slaughtered. 1154 01:18:40,814 --> 01:18:42,814 There was nothing dignified about it. 1155 01:18:42,909 --> 01:18:44,819 Had nothing to do with revolutionary suicide, 1156 01:18:44,902 --> 01:18:46,762 nothing to do about making a fucking statement, 1157 01:18:47,163 --> 01:18:50,163 it was just senseless waste, 1158 01:18:50,398 --> 01:18:53,067 senseless waste and death. 1159 01:18:56,712 --> 01:18:59,257 �To whomever finds this note. 1160 01:19:00,258 --> 01:19:02,258 Collect all the tapes, 1161 01:19:02,498 --> 01:19:05,682 all the writing, all the history. 1162 01:19:06,396 --> 01:19:08,658 The story of this movement, 1163 01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:13,701 this action, must be examined over and over. 1164 01:19:14,323 --> 01:19:16,912 We did not want this kind of ending. 1165 01:19:17,413 --> 01:19:20,413 We wanted to live, to shine, 1166 01:19:20,534 --> 01:19:25,725 to bring light to a world that is dying for a little bit of love.� 1167 01:19:26,563 --> 01:19:28,851 I never believed in Heaven in my whole life. 1168 01:19:28,852 --> 01:19:30,852 You know, that�s not the way I operated 1169 01:19:30,908 --> 01:19:33,591 but when I was in Guyana, and when I�d watch the sun rise, 1170 01:19:33,647 --> 01:19:36,872 I actually thought there was a heaven on Earth. 1171 01:19:41,381 --> 01:19:44,624 And now, I can�t believe in heaven anymore. 1172 01:19:45,137 --> 01:19:47,981 �There�s quiet as we leave this world. 1173 01:19:48,114 --> 01:19:49,978 The sky is gray. 1174 01:19:50,179 --> 01:19:54,979 People file by us slowly and take the somewhat bitter drink. 1175 01:19:55,484 --> 01:19:57,878 Many more must drink.� 1176 01:19:58,492 --> 01:20:01,369 I�m saddened because it didn�t work out. 1177 01:20:01,547 --> 01:20:04,292 Because it just seemed so beautiful. 1178 01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,918 And I�ll say this about November 18th, 1179 01:20:08,048 --> 01:20:11,667 I felt I�d lost a family 1180 01:20:12,722 --> 01:20:15,625 and I knew I�d lost my children. 1181 01:20:16,838 --> 01:20:20,635 �A teeny kitten sits next to me watching. 1182 01:20:20,849 --> 01:20:23,042 A dog barks. 1183 01:20:23,434 --> 01:20:26,883 The birds gather on the telephone wires. 1184 01:20:27,073 --> 01:20:31,712 Let all the story of this Peoples Temple be told.� 1185 01:20:33,483 --> 01:20:36,524 We were people that... We wanted to make a change. 1186 01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:40,980 It�s a shame it didn�t happen. It might not never happen. 1187 01:20:41,150 --> 01:20:44,054 But one thing I can say, at least we tried 1188 01:20:44,110 --> 01:20:48,529 and we didn�t sit back and wait on the laurels for somebody else to try it. 1189 01:20:48,586 --> 01:20:51,518 Yes, we tried it. Yes, it was a failure. 1190 01:20:51,586 --> 01:20:53,746 Yes, it was very tragic. 1191 01:20:53,848 --> 01:20:57,066 But at least we tried. 1192 01:20:58,364 --> 01:21:02,628 �If nobody understands, it matters not. 1193 01:21:03,146 --> 01:21:05,497 I am ready to die now. 1194 01:21:05,821 --> 01:21:08,846 Darkness settles over Jonestown 1195 01:21:09,347 --> 01:21:12,347 on its last day on Earth.� 1196 01:21:12,915 --> 01:21:15,782 I never had any dreams of Jonestown 1197 01:21:16,383 --> 01:21:18,783 until this one dream came. 1198 01:21:19,434 --> 01:21:22,161 I could see myself in Jonestown walking, 1199 01:21:22,259 --> 01:21:26,002 and when I looked to my left, there was my son. 1200 01:21:26,786 --> 01:21:30,575 He was standing in the middle of a duffel bag. 1201 01:21:30,721 --> 01:21:34,253 And just right when I got ready to reach to touch his head, 1202 01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:35,973 he pulled the bag up like this. 1203 01:21:36,202 --> 01:21:40,010 And the bag fell and he was gone. 1204 01:21:41,305 --> 01:21:47,602 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from OpenSubtitles.org106787

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