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- My name is Lisa.
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I am a mother.
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One of my sons was shot dead.
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I tracked down his killer.
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And this is how I did it.
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A man was shot to death
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right in front
of a group of people
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while leaving a nightclub
in North Philadelphia.
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Police say the shooting
was even captured on video,
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but they're still having
no success in finding
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the person responsible.
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I thought about
RJ's dreams and goals,
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and I thought about
my little boy.
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I couldn't let this person
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who caused so much harm
and pain just walk away.
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I was obsessed.
I became obsessed.
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I was like,
it will not be unsolved.
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And I decided,
I'm gonna have to do
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the groundwork, the footwork.
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I started doing
my own surveillance.
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I went undercover quietly
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in the middle of the night,
dawn hours.
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My goal was to get
as much information
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to give to the detectives
so they can have easier access
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to any potential witnesses
in order to try and identify
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who the murderer was.
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I wanted him to be scared.
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I wanted him to know
this person that you killed,
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you picked the wrong one.
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You picked the wrong one,
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and you messed
with the wrong mother.
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And I was coming for you.
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It's 5:30
on this Saturday, April 9.
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Here are some of the stories
that we're following
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for you this morning...
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I lived in North
Philadelphia at the time.
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But I decided to take
a trip to see my mom.
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We did some outings,
went to lunch.
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I called it an evening.
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It was around 11:00, 11:30,
and I took a shower,
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and I went to bed.
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And I wanted to sleep late,
so I put my phone on vibrate.
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RJ came around, uh,
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we talked for a little bit.
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He might have had
a bite to eat.
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He was gonna go out
with a couple friends
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to shoot some pool.
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He borrowed $10, $20 from me.
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I went to sleep, I had
to work the next morning,
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and, uh, he went on his way to
shoot pool with his friends.
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North Philadelphia is known
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for its marginalized
community.
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It's a richness
of culture there,
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and it's a richness
of Latin community,
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but it was an area where I know
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it's easy to find
harm's way there.
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I received
the phone call from my sister
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that RJ had been shot and that
he was at Temple Hospital.
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I was just shocked.
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Along the way,
I was just praying
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that he was just shot,
but he would be all right.
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I heard the phone vibrate.
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Turned over,
phone vibrates again.
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I said, I'm gonna turn it off.
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When I picked it up, I had
two missed calls from Jose
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and one missed call
from RJ's aunt.
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I knew something bad
had happened.
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The phone rang again,
and it was Jose.
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And I answered it.
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Two detectives
walked up to me.
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They told me,
I'm sorry for your loss...
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And walked away.
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I didn't know what to feel,
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how to feel, what to do.
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I just crouched down and cried.
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He's not coming back.
He's gone.
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Then I called Lisa.
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Jose told me,
Lisa, RJ's gone.
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And I said,
what do you mean he's gone?
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And he said,
RJ's gone, he's been shot.
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And I said, I screamed, no.
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And I hung up the phone
and I just threw
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the cell phone
across the room.
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And I was talking to myself,
saying, Lisa, wake up, Lisa,
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wake up, you're in a
nightmare, wake up.
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And then Luis called me
from the scene
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of the crime, my oldest son.
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And he told me, Mom, it's true.
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There is yellow tape here
everywhere.
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And when are you
getting home, Mom?
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My whole world just crashed.
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It was like,
this can't be happening.
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How am I gonna survive this?
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You're not supposed
to bury your children.
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They're supposed to bury you.
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I grew up in Philadelphia, PA.
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Had my first son, Luis, at 19,
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and then had Christopher at 21.
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And RJ was born.
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I unwrapped the receiving
blanket, counted his fingers.
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Remember looking at his big,
beautiful brown eyes,
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full head of hair.
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His name's Raymond,
originally,
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and he was a ray of light
and sunshine.
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- RJ was a loving,
beautiful baby.
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Loved him--loved him since the
first time I put eyes on him.
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- RJ was just full of smiles.
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RJ will light up a room.
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- It's gonna be
a great day today.
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It's already been good.
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You know, be sipping
on the coffee.
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Me, I'm on, like, my third cup.
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- He was protective
over his family.
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And if I needed him,
I knew he was there,
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because we were tight.
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- My mom is a hater.
She think we taking a picture.
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It's the video camera.
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Take a picture!
Take a picture!
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- I got it, yo.
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He adored music.
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He would write lyrics.
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He would be writing songs,
even as a kid.
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He referred to himself
as Hommi.
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That was RJ's rap battle name.
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He was always
very affectionate.
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He would say, if no one has
told you they love you today,
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I love you.
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For Latinos,
family is everything.
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Um, you take care
of your family.
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We get to the
coroner's office.
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We went into this room,
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and there was a window
with blinds.
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And RJ's body was laying there
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with a white sheet
covered to his shoulder.
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And I think I was in a state
of shock at that point.
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And I said, yeah,
that's--that's RJ.
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And I said, okay,
it's time to go.
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And at that point, I wanted
to know who murdered my son.
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So I was calling the detective
over and over again.
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The detective, when I did get
ahold of him, he told me,
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we don't have a lead yet
on the case.
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We'll keep you informed.
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Don't call us, we'll call you.
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- Well, we knew that
there were family members
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that were hurting,
and they were
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relying on us to do our job.
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And the investigation
was already in motion.
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We're looking
for surveillance cameras
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outside of that bar where he
was shot to see if we could
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identify vehicles
that were driving
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shortly after that murder.
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Of course,
we're collecting evidence
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on the crime scene, as well,
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that may give us clues
as to who we're looking for.
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It has been a violent day,
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meanwhile,
across Philadelphia.
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Just before 3:00 a.m.,
officers on patrol
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heard gunshots in the area
of the 2400 block
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of South 24th Street.
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North Philadelphia
is notoriously known
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as the Badlands.
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It's known for some of the
purest and cheapest heroin.
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Hand in hand with the
drug trade goes violence.
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Just the sheer volume
of shootings and murders
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that happen every day
is completely overwhelming.
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And unfortunately,
some crimes are never solved.
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- It was a kid in the hood
that got shot,
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so it wasn't important.
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You get caught
in the wrong spot,
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you're a Latino
in a bad neighborhood,
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bad things can happen.
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And in the back of my mind,
I'm thinking,
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RJ's case is gonna be forgotten
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if I don't stay involved.
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It was a murderer
in the streets
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and I needed to find out
who took my son.
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I didn't know where
I was gonna start.
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I had no clue.
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I just knew I had to start.
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A gunman
opens fire and committed
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a horrific mass shooting,
and it was several dead,
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including the suspect.
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We'll bring you the latest.
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I asked Jose
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who were the friends
that were with him
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the night that he got killed?
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Jose told me that it was
Gunner and White Boy.
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I told Jose, all right, I wanna
go to your sister's house,
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because they hang out there.
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And Jose was like,
what are you doing?
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And I said, we need
to find out what happened.
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And the start is
with the individuals
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that were with him that night.
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So then I went
to the sister's house
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and I told her to give
the message to the friends
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that I wanted them
to tell me what happened.
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We went to Jose's house.
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Gunner comes in, says,
I'm here to speak to RJ's mom.
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Now my heart is racing.
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And I'm like, oh, my God,
I'm gonna talk
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to someone who was there.
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Told me there was a fight.
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- Well, RJ's friend told us
the more people he put down,
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the more people kept
coming towards him.
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And he was just pushing
them off best he could.
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This one guy, they never spoke,
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they didn't have
no disagreement,
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just walked up to him
and shot him.
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At that point, I said,
what does he look like?
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And he told me,
he said he was chubby,
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he's not that tall.
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And he told me that he had
a long beard and curly hair.
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And he was Latino.
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I said, well, Gunner,
can you please just call?
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And I begged him,
I begged Gunner,
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can you please call the cops,
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can you please
tell the detectives,
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tell them everything you know.
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And he told me that he was
not gonna tell the cops.
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There is a street code
that they follow.
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You don't snitch, you just
handle it in the streets.
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We're gonna get
street retaliation.
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And I said, I don't want
street retaliation.
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I wanna see that man
in handcuffs.
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I wanna go to court.
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I wanna see
that murderer charged.
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I don't want him dead.
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I don't want another mother
to suffer from a loss.
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Witnesses are reluctant
to come forward
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because there's a price to pay
for cooperating with police,
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and they're putting
their own lives in danger.
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Not all these people
are willing to do that,
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to risk it.
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- It's a thing that happens in
our community, unfortunately.
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They feel like if they snitch,
they're going to be dead,
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or they're gonna
come after their family,
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and they don't feel protected.
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So her fight was
to do it the proper way
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and do it the right way.
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While we were
at Jose's house,
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another one of RJ's
friends shows up.
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I said, do you know anything?
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At that point,
she tells me there's a video.
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And I said, a video of what?
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What do you mean
there's a video?
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And she says, there's a video
of the actual shooting,
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and it's on social media.
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It was on Facebook, Snapchat,
and Instagram.
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My heart starts racing,
because now I'm thinking,
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I'm gonna look
at the shooting of my son.
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But also,
another light bulb goes off.
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I'm gonna possibly see
witnesses that were present
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while the shooting happened.
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And my hope was that the video
captured the shooter.
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I immediately call
the detective,
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told him I had a video,
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and I sent the links
to my son, Luis.
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And Luis immediately, he
started looking at the videos.
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Can you see the
shooter in the video?
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That's my first question.
Can you see the shooter?
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Ooh, ooh, shit! Ooh, shit!
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And he says, Mom,
you really can't
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see a clear shot of the face.
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At this point, I actually
look at the video.
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Ooh, ooh, shit! Ooh, shit!
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I see RJ.
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I see there's a scuffle.
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They out here drawing.
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They mixing and shit,
they mixing.
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- I hear people talking.
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Oh, look,
there's a fight happening.
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The wretchedness, damn.
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He looks to the right.
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And then as he
looks to the left,
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you see the shooter walk up.
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He sees the shooter,
he sees the gun.
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And right there,
the shooter pulls the trigger.
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Oh, we out of here.
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My son just drops.
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You hear witnesses saying,
oh, they got shot,
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the boy got shot.
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But you don't hear anyone
screaming, call 911.
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So as I'm seeing this, my mind
is going through this video,
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this is gonna be what's
gonna get us to this killer.
285
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This is the tool.
This is what we need.
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Not only do I
have to bury my son,
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but I also
have to watch his death.
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Over...
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Ooh, shit!
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And over...
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Damn.
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And over again...
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Oh, we out of here.
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To identify witnesses.
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00:16:38,198 --> 00:16:42,236
But I knew that
this was the last thing
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I can do for RJ to get
information to the detectives
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so they could find his killer.
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I was raised
in a single family.
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Well, my mother
was a single mother.
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00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,526
We had domestic violence
in my home,
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and at the age of about 20,
I turned to drugs.
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00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:13,600
I turned to using cocaine.
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I, um, enjoyed the feeling
of it, because it
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00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:23,510
made me forget that trauma
that I had not dealt with.
305
00:17:23,577 --> 00:17:25,479
I was in the midst
of addiction,
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00:17:25,546 --> 00:17:31,685
and I knew that I was going
really rock bottom.
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Looking at RJ and trying
to do right by RJ
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was my motivation
to stop using.
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I went and got
my high school diploma
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and I got a good paying job
as a frontline worker
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in the social work field.
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RJ saved me from the streets,
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and he saved me
from addiction.
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He did.
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How can I not honor
his life by trying
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to find out who took his life?
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00:18:02,149 --> 00:18:03,851
There has been
so much violence
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00:18:03,918 --> 00:18:06,520
and heartbreak in America
after multiple mass shootings
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00:18:06,587 --> 00:18:09,323
have ripped families
and communities apart,
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one after the other.
The latest...
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Me and my son Luis
started working together,
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working the case.
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We start trying
to identify witnesses.
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00:18:23,003 --> 00:18:25,206
And I was taking pictures
of the actual video
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00:18:25,272 --> 00:18:26,707
while it's rolling...
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So that we can
enlarge their faces.
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00:18:32,346 --> 00:18:35,149
And I told Luis,
see who comments
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00:18:35,216 --> 00:18:39,219
on the videos that was there.
329
00:18:39,286 --> 00:18:41,121
If they said, yeah,
I was there,
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00:18:41,188 --> 00:18:43,456
or yeah, I seen the boy
get shot.
331
00:18:45,492 --> 00:18:46,893
I printed everything out.
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00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,963
And I literally had
a room in my house
333
00:18:50,030 --> 00:18:52,699
that was focused
on RJ's investigation.
334
00:18:56,503 --> 00:18:59,406
And on this wall,
I had a mapping process
335
00:18:59,473 --> 00:19:01,441
that I did of witnesses,
because I wanted
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00:19:01,508 --> 00:19:04,044
to see how it pieced together.
337
00:19:05,613 --> 00:19:07,381
I'm talking to the detectives.
338
00:19:07,448 --> 00:19:10,150
They're telling me
they have no suspect.
339
00:19:11,886 --> 00:19:14,288
Initially, detectives
were able to get some names
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00:19:14,355 --> 00:19:16,123
of people who were there.
341
00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:18,359
But at that time,
people weren't willing
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00:19:18,426 --> 00:19:20,560
to come forward and tell us
the name of the shooter,
343
00:19:20,627 --> 00:19:22,863
despite the fact that
some of these people
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00:19:22,930 --> 00:19:25,065
were no less than
an arm length away from him
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00:19:25,131 --> 00:19:26,700
when he pulled the trigger.
346
00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:28,168
It was simply disheartening.
347
00:19:28,235 --> 00:19:31,305
And I decided,
I'm gonna have to do
348
00:19:31,372 --> 00:19:33,106
the groundwork, the footwork.
349
00:19:36,377 --> 00:19:40,881
My goal here was, okay,
identify the witnesses first.
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00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:42,782
Follow them.
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00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:46,987
Hang out in their locations
to give that information
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00:19:47,053 --> 00:19:48,589
to the detectives.
353
00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:50,791
I started doing
my own surveillance.
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00:20:04,004 --> 00:20:05,505
Based on the information
that I got
355
00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:07,241
from the stills
and the Facebook
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00:20:07,308 --> 00:20:10,043
and through my research,
I identified areas
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00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:12,446
where potential witnesses
hung out.
358
00:20:12,513 --> 00:20:17,484
Then I would do surveillance
in the targeted locations.
359
00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,620
I didn't take
Christopher with me.
360
00:20:19,687 --> 00:20:22,523
I didn't take anyone with me.
I went on my own.
361
00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:24,925
And guess what?
I could become the target.
362
00:20:24,992 --> 00:20:28,128
Because it is the ghetto,
it's the hood.
363
00:20:28,195 --> 00:20:31,632
- When my mom came to me
about the fact of,
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00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:35,369
she wanted to take it
to the neighborhood,
365
00:20:35,436 --> 00:20:38,072
take it to the area where
he was shot and killed,
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00:20:38,139 --> 00:20:39,506
I was skeptical.
367
00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,409
Depending on what area
she was going into,
368
00:20:41,475 --> 00:20:43,410
because we're talking
about North Philadelphia here.
369
00:20:43,477 --> 00:20:45,045
We're talking
about the Badlands.
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00:20:45,112 --> 00:20:49,816
We're talking about
high drug and gun violence.
371
00:20:51,152 --> 00:20:52,719
- I had to be
discreet about it,
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00:20:52,786 --> 00:20:56,424
and there was times when I
had to just park and follow
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00:20:56,490 --> 00:21:00,294
individuals and try to identify
their home locations
374
00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,829
based on where
they were hanging at.
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00:21:02,896 --> 00:21:06,733
It was unsafe, but it was
a risk I was willing to take
376
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,702
to get witnesses.
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00:21:16,877 --> 00:21:19,346
I was doing
surveillance quietly
378
00:21:19,413 --> 00:21:22,015
in the middle of the night.
379
00:21:22,082 --> 00:21:26,386
I wasn't concerned
at that point about my safety.
380
00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:30,490
My obsession
to identify this murderer
381
00:21:30,557 --> 00:21:35,829
was so much stronger
than my fear.
382
00:21:35,896 --> 00:21:41,234
That was my drive
that ignited that fire.
383
00:21:42,469 --> 00:21:44,304
Some of these neighborhoods,
384
00:21:44,371 --> 00:21:46,607
you don't walk in
and ask questions, you know.
385
00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:51,111
They could have taken her down
any time, any moment.
386
00:21:51,178 --> 00:21:52,713
I had to change my attire.
387
00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:55,448
So I would put, like,
something on my head,
388
00:21:55,515 --> 00:21:57,618
like hats, or I did, like,
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00:21:57,684 --> 00:22:01,321
turban kind of style,
scarves on my head.
390
00:22:01,388 --> 00:22:03,857
I had to be strategic.
391
00:22:08,863 --> 00:22:13,433
There was so many witnesses
that I identified.
392
00:22:16,203 --> 00:22:18,506
There was one lady that
worked in a supermarket
393
00:22:18,572 --> 00:22:21,809
like a half block down
from where RJ was murdered.
394
00:22:21,875 --> 00:22:23,543
She was a cashier.
395
00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:30,384
I went a couple of times
to that supermarket
396
00:22:30,451 --> 00:22:34,421
and selected that cashier.
397
00:22:34,488 --> 00:22:36,724
And guess what?
I started a conversation.
398
00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,092
Little by little,
by the third time, I'm like,
399
00:22:39,159 --> 00:22:42,396
did you hear about that
shooting in B and Allegheny?
400
00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:44,798
I knew she was there.
401
00:22:44,865 --> 00:22:46,166
"Yeah, I did.
402
00:22:46,233 --> 00:22:47,802
I know about the shooting.
I was there."
403
00:22:47,868 --> 00:22:49,703
Oh, you was?
404
00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:51,338
Did you see anything?
405
00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:54,241
She described
the same stock and build.
406
00:22:54,308 --> 00:22:56,476
Didn't give me
details of the face.
407
00:22:56,543 --> 00:23:00,915
So I knew a little information.
408
00:23:00,981 --> 00:23:04,218
In our community,
when things doesn't seem
409
00:23:04,285 --> 00:23:06,086
like they're going your way,
the next best thing
410
00:23:06,153 --> 00:23:08,556
is try to take things
in your own hands.
411
00:23:08,622 --> 00:23:10,190
And she did.
412
00:23:13,793 --> 00:23:16,463
- Gunner's friend had
given me one video,
413
00:23:16,530 --> 00:23:18,866
but then when we
looked at social media,
414
00:23:18,932 --> 00:23:23,137
we found two additional
videos from different angles.
415
00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:27,408
There was another gentleman.
416
00:23:27,474 --> 00:23:31,378
His comment said,
"I was so close
417
00:23:31,445 --> 00:23:33,446
that the body fell on me."
418
00:23:35,249 --> 00:23:36,716
That person, in my mind,
419
00:23:36,783 --> 00:23:38,719
was close enough
to see the shooter.
420
00:23:38,786 --> 00:23:42,355
So I was targeting
that individual.
421
00:23:42,422 --> 00:23:45,626
I went into that Facebook
and I identified people
422
00:23:45,693 --> 00:23:49,329
who were friends
to some friends that I knew.
423
00:23:49,396 --> 00:23:52,132
I went to one lady and I said,
hey, by any chance,
424
00:23:52,198 --> 00:23:53,967
do you know this individual?
425
00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:55,569
Yeah, I do, I know him.
426
00:23:55,636 --> 00:23:57,237
And I said, do you know
where he lives?
427
00:23:57,304 --> 00:23:59,239
She said, look, I don't
have his information,
428
00:23:59,306 --> 00:24:01,174
but I have
his mother's information.
429
00:24:03,177 --> 00:24:04,712
So I got the mother's address.
430
00:24:04,779 --> 00:24:08,748
Then I found out where
the mother went to church.
431
00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,818
Then I spoke
to RJ's grandmother,
432
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,653
because they had
an associated church.
433
00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:17,191
And apparently, this mother
434
00:24:17,258 --> 00:24:20,260
had asked for prayer
at church,
435
00:24:20,327 --> 00:24:24,264
because her son had been
present at a shooting
436
00:24:24,331 --> 00:24:26,801
with a gun in B and Allegheny.
437
00:24:26,867 --> 00:24:29,736
So at this point, I'm thinking,
that's the shooter.
438
00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:38,112
He was dark skinned,
had an afro, had the beard,
439
00:24:38,179 --> 00:24:41,014
but he didn't have
the stocky build.
440
00:24:41,081 --> 00:24:44,184
So that was the only thing
that was off.
441
00:24:48,455 --> 00:24:50,724
I was putting
this puzzle together,
442
00:24:50,791 --> 00:24:52,392
and every little piece
and information
443
00:24:52,459 --> 00:24:54,027
that I got, it just connected.
444
00:24:54,094 --> 00:24:57,965
And I would go home
and connect another address
445
00:24:58,032 --> 00:25:01,334
or another person in order
to try and identify
446
00:25:01,401 --> 00:25:03,136
who the murderer was.
447
00:25:11,178 --> 00:25:13,547
So my niece called me.
448
00:25:13,613 --> 00:25:16,983
She was upset about RJ's death,
and she mentioned it
449
00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:18,385
when a coworker approached her.
450
00:25:18,452 --> 00:25:21,488
The coworker told her
that her sister
451
00:25:21,555 --> 00:25:26,293
had helped someone
who got shot on that same day
452
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,329
at that same location.
453
00:25:29,396 --> 00:25:31,765
I immediately wanted
to talk to them to find out
454
00:25:31,832 --> 00:25:33,833
what happened that night
with RJ, just in case
455
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:35,469
they know who the killer is.
456
00:25:39,473 --> 00:25:41,708
My phone rang.
It was Lisa on the other end.
457
00:25:41,775 --> 00:25:44,912
She wanted to know
what happened.
458
00:25:44,978 --> 00:25:51,985
It was actually just a regular,
active, beautiful night.
459
00:25:55,489 --> 00:25:57,057
You know, people were
out in the streets.
460
00:25:57,123 --> 00:25:58,626
It's Philadelphia.
461
00:25:58,692 --> 00:26:01,395
You know, it is a city
that loves its sports,
462
00:26:01,462 --> 00:26:04,798
loves its people,
great nightlife.
463
00:26:04,865 --> 00:26:06,700
I was in the nightclub
downstairs
464
00:26:06,767 --> 00:26:10,104
with a friend
celebrating her birthday.
465
00:26:10,170 --> 00:26:11,872
Being that my friend's
boyfriend owned the bar,
466
00:26:11,939 --> 00:26:15,075
we closed the bar at night,
so it was fairly late.
467
00:26:15,142 --> 00:26:17,177
We were leaving,
closed the gates.
468
00:26:17,244 --> 00:26:22,383
And then you just hear
a loud pop and screaming.
469
00:26:25,486 --> 00:26:28,889
I just remember people
standing over RJ's body,
470
00:26:28,956 --> 00:26:31,892
but nobody was doing anything.
471
00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:33,461
And I knew I had to help.
472
00:26:33,527 --> 00:26:36,330
She said he was
laying on the ground.
473
00:26:36,397 --> 00:26:39,833
She went to help him.
She said RJ was awake.
474
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,169
He looked dazed.
475
00:26:42,236 --> 00:26:45,039
She told me he had the
biggest beautiful brown eyes.
476
00:26:46,974 --> 00:26:49,576
I looked down at him.
He looked confused.
477
00:26:49,643 --> 00:26:53,513
He was there for a moment,
and then one last blink,
478
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:57,317
and you can see that, you know,
he was no longer there.
479
00:26:57,384 --> 00:26:59,452
Then I proceeded
to do CPR for him.
480
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,190
As doing so, I just started
screaming, call 911.
481
00:27:05,392 --> 00:27:08,128
Cops finally got there,
which felt like forever.
482
00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:10,230
That's when the cops
do what they--
483
00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,132
they scoop and carry,
grabbed him,
484
00:27:12,199 --> 00:27:15,936
threw him in the back
of the cruiser, and took off.
485
00:27:20,708 --> 00:27:23,810
Unfortunately, I didn't
see the act of violence.
486
00:27:23,877 --> 00:27:27,982
I was no help of being able
to identify
487
00:27:28,048 --> 00:27:29,950
the person who had
done this to RJ.
488
00:27:30,017 --> 00:27:33,153
Um, just my portion
of afterwards.
489
00:27:34,287 --> 00:27:35,956
I feel bad still.
490
00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:39,927
I hurt for the pain that she
has of not having her son RJ.
491
00:27:39,994 --> 00:27:43,631
Um, I wish it were different.
492
00:27:43,697 --> 00:27:47,100
- It felt good to know
that my son wasn't alone
493
00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:51,571
on the cold ground,
dying by himself,
494
00:27:51,638 --> 00:27:53,840
just looking around.
495
00:27:53,907 --> 00:27:56,310
She was RJ's Earth angel.
496
00:27:56,377 --> 00:27:59,679
And I'm forever
grateful to her.
497
00:27:59,746 --> 00:28:01,815
She specifically
wanted to thank me
498
00:28:01,882 --> 00:28:03,750
for being there for her son.
499
00:28:03,817 --> 00:28:08,121
The one line that she did say
to me was, um...
500
00:28:09,823 --> 00:28:12,860
"It was nice knowing that
my son came into this world
501
00:28:12,927 --> 00:28:14,394
"in a woman's arms
502
00:28:14,461 --> 00:28:17,064
and had passed
in a woman's arms."
503
00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:18,732
Um...
504
00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:21,501
that kind of will
always stick with me.
505
00:28:27,941 --> 00:28:29,643
So RJ, as a teenager,
506
00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:31,745
started making
his own choices.
507
00:28:31,812 --> 00:28:34,982
He was using weed,
and this weed was leading him
508
00:28:35,049 --> 00:28:36,883
to different paths.
509
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:41,254
And he started spending more
time in North Philadelphia.
510
00:28:41,321 --> 00:28:43,590
It is an area where you
see homelessness,
511
00:28:43,657 --> 00:28:47,661
where you see
prevalent drug addiction.
512
00:28:47,728 --> 00:28:50,431
He started getting more
withdrawn from the family
513
00:28:50,497 --> 00:28:53,834
and becoming more
into his circle of friends.
514
00:28:53,901 --> 00:28:56,570
RJ, I guess, started changing
515
00:28:56,637 --> 00:28:59,506
once my mom and his dad
got divorced.
516
00:28:59,573 --> 00:29:02,409
That, I really think,
affected him.
517
00:29:03,811 --> 00:29:06,713
He started gravitating
more towards the streets
518
00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:08,915
than he was before.
519
00:29:08,982 --> 00:29:11,051
I knew that the choices
that he was making
520
00:29:11,118 --> 00:29:12,919
could put him in harm's way.
521
00:29:12,986 --> 00:29:17,558
And once he did get
locked up for selling weed.
522
00:29:17,624 --> 00:29:20,827
And at a point,
I told RJ, the streets
523
00:29:20,894 --> 00:29:25,199
are gonna either take your life
or it's taking your freedom.
524
00:29:28,769 --> 00:29:33,173
RJ became a father at the
age of, I believe he was 19.
525
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,477
And he had JoJo, his daughter.
526
00:29:36,543 --> 00:29:40,580
He started shying away
from the drug dealing
527
00:29:40,647 --> 00:29:43,217
and started doing
some construction work.
528
00:29:43,283 --> 00:29:45,953
And he wanted
to be a good father.
529
00:29:46,019 --> 00:29:47,354
I felt ecstatic.
530
00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:50,090
I felt that RJ
was gonna be safe again,
531
00:29:50,157 --> 00:29:53,894
that he was removing himself
from harm's way.
532
00:29:55,162 --> 00:29:59,800
- It was his time to leave all
the childhood stuff behind
533
00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:04,538
and become the man that
we all knew that he could be.
534
00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:17,117
I got to a point
with the detectives
535
00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:19,352
where I was calling and I
wasn't getting a response.
536
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:21,655
So at that point,
I wrote to his superior.
537
00:30:23,457 --> 00:30:25,425
The detectives
finally called me.
538
00:30:25,492 --> 00:30:29,329
And they told me they would
meet me at my place of work.
539
00:30:31,098 --> 00:30:34,234
After the shooting,
we ran down every witness,
540
00:30:34,301 --> 00:30:37,405
every lead we had,
but were in a sense, hopeless,
541
00:30:37,471 --> 00:30:39,239
because we weren't
getting answers.
542
00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:43,377
The first thing
I told them was,
543
00:30:43,444 --> 00:30:44,811
I need you to contact me.
544
00:30:44,878 --> 00:30:47,981
I've been calling you
every day.
545
00:30:48,048 --> 00:30:51,718
And they said, well,
we really don't have much.
546
00:30:51,785 --> 00:30:54,120
And they told me,
even if we have updates,
547
00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:56,390
we can't share
that information with you.
548
00:30:56,456 --> 00:30:58,726
And I said, okay, well,
you're not sharing with me,
549
00:30:58,792 --> 00:31:01,027
I can share with you.
550
00:31:01,094 --> 00:31:03,797
I had printed out
separate piles
551
00:31:03,864 --> 00:31:06,333
of seven or eight witnesses.
552
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,335
And I started giving names.
553
00:31:08,402 --> 00:31:10,337
They said, how did you
get that information?
554
00:31:10,404 --> 00:31:12,272
And I said, the streets.
I've been out there.
555
00:31:12,339 --> 00:31:14,841
If you go to the streets,
they'll talk.
556
00:31:14,908 --> 00:31:17,377
- She was able to speak
with people in a way
557
00:31:17,444 --> 00:31:21,414
that police detectives
are unable to do
558
00:31:21,481 --> 00:31:23,050
out in those neighborhoods.
559
00:31:23,116 --> 00:31:25,785
She was doing everything
that she could
560
00:31:25,852 --> 00:31:28,054
on her end
to gather information,
561
00:31:28,121 --> 00:31:30,591
to give us new leads
of individuals
562
00:31:30,657 --> 00:31:32,826
we could identify
and speak with.
563
00:31:35,162 --> 00:31:36,630
We're speaking
to these witnesses
564
00:31:36,697 --> 00:31:40,600
and we brought them down
to the Homicide Unit,
565
00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:42,903
tried to develop
a relationship, a rapport
566
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:46,073
with them, and make them feel
as comfortable as we could
567
00:31:46,139 --> 00:31:48,475
and get the information
they had.
568
00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:53,714
But none of those individuals
were willing to give us
569
00:31:53,780 --> 00:31:59,786
even a clue to help the family
of RJ find justice,
570
00:31:59,853 --> 00:32:03,423
just because of fear factor
of being labeled a snitch
571
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:05,425
and the consequences
that come from that
572
00:32:05,492 --> 00:32:06,726
in those neighborhoods.
573
00:32:08,561 --> 00:32:11,498
It's difficult
to remain positive.
574
00:32:11,565 --> 00:32:13,567
There probably wasn't
a single night I went to sleep
575
00:32:13,634 --> 00:32:17,537
where I wasn't thinking,
how can I find a way
576
00:32:17,604 --> 00:32:22,609
to get a witness to come
forward and solve this murder?
577
00:32:22,676 --> 00:32:25,512
I gave the detectives
names of witnesses.
578
00:32:25,579 --> 00:32:28,882
I gave them videos
of the shooting...
579
00:32:30,651 --> 00:32:32,819
And it didn't lead
to anything.
580
00:32:37,324 --> 00:32:38,525
I felt I hit a brick wall.
581
00:32:38,592 --> 00:32:41,361
I felt that I was
hitting a dead end.
582
00:32:41,428 --> 00:32:44,198
There was no more
connecting the dots.
583
00:32:48,168 --> 00:32:51,738
The investigation,
my research was stagnated.
584
00:32:53,007 --> 00:32:56,142
I decided to take
a different approach.
585
00:32:57,745 --> 00:33:01,181
I'm gonna reach out and see
if I can soften some hearts
586
00:33:01,248 --> 00:33:03,784
of these witnesses.
587
00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:05,218
And that's what I did.
588
00:33:15,162 --> 00:33:16,630
I wanted media coverage.
589
00:33:16,697 --> 00:33:18,331
And my niece told me
about this journalist
590
00:33:18,398 --> 00:33:20,067
that did an article
about retrieving a gun
591
00:33:20,134 --> 00:33:22,002
very quickly in Philadelphia.
592
00:33:24,971 --> 00:33:27,941
Honestly,
when I first got the call,
593
00:33:28,008 --> 00:33:30,511
I thought,
you know, this--the--
594
00:33:30,578 --> 00:33:32,646
the numbers are not
on her side.
595
00:33:34,981 --> 00:33:37,751
In a lot of ways,
Lisa did not differ
596
00:33:37,818 --> 00:33:41,455
from a lot of the mothers
that I have followed.
597
00:33:41,522 --> 00:33:47,161
But what Lisa had
was this fire in her.
598
00:33:47,227 --> 00:33:50,330
Lisa was desperately
trying to keep her son
599
00:33:50,397 --> 00:33:53,366
from being another statistic
in Philadelphia.
600
00:33:53,433 --> 00:33:56,436
So we sat down, and she told me
all that she knew.
601
00:33:56,503 --> 00:34:01,374
Uh, but really, the story
for me was about this mother
602
00:34:01,441 --> 00:34:04,244
who was on a mission
to make sure
603
00:34:04,311 --> 00:34:07,047
that she got justice
for her son.
604
00:34:09,616 --> 00:34:12,486
- A man was shot to death right
in front of a group of people
605
00:34:12,553 --> 00:34:14,554
while leaving a nightclub
in North Philadelphia.
606
00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:17,357
Now the victim's mother
is asking for your help.
607
00:34:17,424 --> 00:34:19,927
This person is walking
free in our streets,
608
00:34:19,994 --> 00:34:23,897
and they can hurt your son,
your daughter, your child.
609
00:34:23,964 --> 00:34:25,766
There's a murderer out there.
610
00:34:25,833 --> 00:34:29,803
Helen Ubinas started tracking
me, started tracking my story.
611
00:34:31,471 --> 00:34:35,042
That brought interest
to the other networks
612
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:36,309
and the news media.
613
00:34:36,376 --> 00:34:38,312
- We hear one mother's
compelling story
614
00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:40,848
and her courage
to fight for justice.
615
00:34:40,914 --> 00:34:42,683
I wanted it to be known
to the whole community,
616
00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:45,452
to Philadelphia,
I'm Lisa Espinosa,
617
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,254
and I'm looking
for my son's murderer.
618
00:34:47,321 --> 00:34:48,989
There were
plenty of witnesses
619
00:34:49,056 --> 00:34:52,159
that saw what happened,
and no one's coming forth.
620
00:34:52,226 --> 00:34:53,460
- Yeah, in the
Latino community,
621
00:34:53,527 --> 00:34:55,295
there's a snitch code.
622
00:34:55,362 --> 00:34:57,531
They say snitches get stitches.
623
00:34:57,598 --> 00:35:01,635
I wanted the killer to know,
I'm looking for you.
624
00:35:01,702 --> 00:35:03,770
And I knew that
through that media outlet
625
00:35:03,837 --> 00:35:06,340
and me making noise,
he was gonna hear.
626
00:35:06,406 --> 00:35:10,310
Our community needs to get
together and get empowered
627
00:35:10,377 --> 00:35:12,112
and go against
these individuals
628
00:35:12,179 --> 00:35:14,080
who are cold-blooded killers.
629
00:35:16,683 --> 00:35:18,919
I reached out to Roz,
Rosalind Pichardo,
630
00:35:18,986 --> 00:35:20,554
Operation Save Our City.
631
00:35:20,621 --> 00:35:23,157
Someone told me that
she did protests and marches
632
00:35:23,224 --> 00:35:25,626
and she worked
with families of homicide.
633
00:35:25,693 --> 00:35:28,462
She told me
about RJ's death.
634
00:35:28,529 --> 00:35:30,798
It was so close
to where I live.
635
00:35:30,864 --> 00:35:33,500
It's, like, a couple blocks
from my house.
636
00:35:33,567 --> 00:35:36,670
So this could be anyone
that I know, you know?
637
00:35:36,736 --> 00:35:38,939
And I kind of connected
right away.
638
00:35:41,808 --> 00:35:45,312
I've lost my boyfriend
to murder.
639
00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:47,781
My ex-boyfriend,
he was shot himself, too.
640
00:35:47,848 --> 00:35:52,953
And then I lost my brother,
Alexander Martinez, to murder.
641
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:55,489
When my brother was murdered,
uh,
642
00:35:55,555 --> 00:35:58,792
we didn't get much information
from, like, the detectives.
643
00:35:58,859 --> 00:36:02,696
So that's when Operation
Save Our City was born,
644
00:36:02,763 --> 00:36:06,166
where we can
advocate for our own selves.
645
00:36:14,007 --> 00:36:16,644
- This is where
it all happened.
646
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:22,315
This is the club that RJ
was in on April 10, 2016.
647
00:36:22,382 --> 00:36:25,619
And on the third white line
was where he was shot
648
00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:27,153
and his body dropped.
649
00:36:29,156 --> 00:36:30,424
And in that corner right there
650
00:36:30,491 --> 00:36:33,260
is where I did
the first protest.
651
00:36:38,565 --> 00:36:40,300
We started protesting
and marching
652
00:36:40,367 --> 00:36:43,170
through the neighborhoods,
and all these mothers
653
00:36:43,237 --> 00:36:45,105
were being introduced to me
that was telling me,
654
00:36:45,172 --> 00:36:47,507
I lost my son, I lost my son.
655
00:36:47,574 --> 00:36:53,413
I met a lady who lost her son
April 13, three days after RJ,
656
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,282
whose case is still unsolved.
657
00:36:55,348 --> 00:36:57,251
What do we want?
Justice!
658
00:36:57,317 --> 00:36:59,286
When do we want it?
Now!
659
00:36:59,352 --> 00:37:01,322
What do we want?
Justice!
660
00:37:01,388 --> 00:37:03,290
When do we want it?
Now!
661
00:37:03,357 --> 00:37:05,458
And we asked people,
do you know of anything?
662
00:37:05,525 --> 00:37:06,926
Have you heard
about this murder?
663
00:37:06,993 --> 00:37:08,829
This murder happened
around the corner.
664
00:37:08,896 --> 00:37:12,198
- Lisa put herself
in danger every single day
665
00:37:12,265 --> 00:37:14,168
that she was investigating
her son's murder.
666
00:37:14,234 --> 00:37:16,503
She may be knocking
on the door of the person
667
00:37:16,570 --> 00:37:19,139
who's responsible
for killing her son.
668
00:37:20,574 --> 00:37:23,410
Those taking part
in this group photograph
669
00:37:23,476 --> 00:37:25,278
have all been impacted
by gun violence
670
00:37:25,345 --> 00:37:26,646
on the streets
of Philadelphia.
671
00:37:26,713 --> 00:37:28,048
Because gun violence
672
00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:30,417
has hit each one of them.
673
00:37:31,852 --> 00:37:34,688
There was just
something about her energy
674
00:37:34,754 --> 00:37:38,024
not like any mother
that I've ever helped.
675
00:37:39,259 --> 00:37:41,295
Although you can see
the pain in her eyes,
676
00:37:41,362 --> 00:37:43,030
there was, like,
no stopping her.
677
00:37:43,096 --> 00:37:45,499
There was no fear.
678
00:37:45,566 --> 00:37:48,201
Because she was ruffling
a lot of feathers
679
00:37:48,268 --> 00:37:49,837
in the neighborhood.
680
00:37:49,903 --> 00:37:52,639
- I was worried they
had a killer right now
681
00:37:52,706 --> 00:37:54,408
that was loose out
in the streets
682
00:37:54,474 --> 00:37:58,245
who didn't care
about killing RJ.
683
00:37:58,312 --> 00:38:01,681
So why would he care
about hurting
684
00:38:01,748 --> 00:38:04,217
somebody else
within the family?
685
00:38:14,127 --> 00:38:20,734
- I started getting anonymous
texts from unknown numbers.
686
00:38:20,801 --> 00:38:23,237
"Stop talking, bitch."
687
00:38:23,304 --> 00:38:29,376
"If you don't stop, we're
coming after your family."
688
00:38:29,443 --> 00:38:32,112
"You're gonna die like your--
like your son."
689
00:38:33,847 --> 00:38:35,415
At this point, though,
my family
690
00:38:35,482 --> 00:38:38,419
started getting worried.
691
00:38:38,485 --> 00:38:40,420
My sons got to a point
where they felt
692
00:38:40,487 --> 00:38:43,190
I was making too much noise.
693
00:38:43,256 --> 00:38:46,894
They said, well, Mom,
we lost RJ.
694
00:38:46,961 --> 00:38:48,562
We don't wanna lose you.
695
00:38:48,629 --> 00:38:52,666
Then I let my sons know,
I can't stop.
696
00:38:58,005 --> 00:39:02,109
I knew I was close because
I was already getting threats.
697
00:39:02,175 --> 00:39:06,446
I knew that I was making
the killer uncomfortable.
698
00:39:09,550 --> 00:39:13,487
Any information I got
from the protests
699
00:39:13,554 --> 00:39:15,856
could lead
to the next location
700
00:39:15,923 --> 00:39:17,190
to do targeted outreach
701
00:39:17,257 --> 00:39:20,227
in different locations
within the city.
702
00:39:21,228 --> 00:39:23,563
Now to the searing
heat here in the Northeast,
703
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:25,766
where they have extended
a heat emergency.
704
00:39:25,833 --> 00:39:28,168
And we are slated
to hit 95 once again today.
705
00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:29,570
It's almost unbelievable.
706
00:39:29,636 --> 00:39:31,104
We did a targeted outreach.
707
00:39:31,171 --> 00:39:33,407
Hot summer day,
was a heat wave day.
708
00:39:33,474 --> 00:39:35,809
And at this point,
I'm putting flyers on cars,
709
00:39:35,876 --> 00:39:38,846
I'm putting flyers
in all the mailboxes.
710
00:39:38,912 --> 00:39:42,115
And that day, I got a lead.
711
00:39:44,818 --> 00:39:49,322
Pulled someone aside who said,
you need to be careful.
712
00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:51,558
The killer,
he's a drug dealer.
713
00:39:51,625 --> 00:39:53,560
He's always walking
with a gun.
714
00:39:53,627 --> 00:39:55,729
I said, come over here, well,
talk to me a little bit.
715
00:39:55,796 --> 00:39:57,530
We'll pretend like we're
talking about the flyer.
716
00:39:57,597 --> 00:40:00,000
I heard the killer
drives a car.
717
00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:01,935
What's the car color?
718
00:40:02,002 --> 00:40:08,776
He said, oh, he's driving
a two-tone gray Crown Regal.
719
00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:12,012
And I said, well, tell me
a little bit more, come on.
720
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,483
And he tells me, he's known
by Fax, and he's known by G.
721
00:40:22,256 --> 00:40:24,558
But you gotta be careful.
722
00:40:24,625 --> 00:40:26,827
He hangs out in 7th and Tioga.
723
00:40:26,893 --> 00:40:28,462
He deals drugs.
724
00:40:28,528 --> 00:40:31,565
And he also has a drug corner
a block down
725
00:40:31,632 --> 00:40:34,401
on 6th Street
and Westmoreland,
726
00:40:34,468 --> 00:40:38,104
a few blocks away
from where RJ was shot.
727
00:40:38,171 --> 00:40:42,209
It gave me hope that I would
be able to give some more
728
00:40:42,275 --> 00:40:44,544
detailed information
to the police
729
00:40:44,611 --> 00:40:46,613
for them to make an arrest.
730
00:40:50,651 --> 00:40:55,856
We're actually approaching
the area where the killer
731
00:40:55,923 --> 00:40:57,524
had his drug corner.
732
00:40:57,591 --> 00:41:00,827
He ran this drug corner here
in this corner right here.
733
00:41:00,894 --> 00:41:02,429
We're on 6th and Allegheny now.
734
00:41:02,496 --> 00:41:07,168
This is a very high drug
trafficking dangerous place
735
00:41:07,234 --> 00:41:08,602
to be in the evenings.
736
00:41:11,571 --> 00:41:15,375
I went by myself
to look for the car.
737
00:41:15,442 --> 00:41:17,477
And I just looked
and looked and see
738
00:41:17,544 --> 00:41:21,381
if anybody with that build
or with that curly hair
739
00:41:21,448 --> 00:41:24,451
and the beard was selling
drugs at that location.
740
00:41:28,189 --> 00:41:30,157
As I'm getting
to the next corner
741
00:41:30,223 --> 00:41:31,692
of the end of the street,
742
00:41:31,759 --> 00:41:34,361
there's a group of people
that knew RJ.
743
00:41:34,428 --> 00:41:36,964
And one individual
comes and tells me,
744
00:41:37,031 --> 00:41:39,900
the killer hangs out
at a motorcycle club
745
00:41:39,967 --> 00:41:41,735
in 5th and Westmoreland.
746
00:41:52,512 --> 00:41:55,883
I organize a National Day of
Remembrance for murder victims
747
00:41:55,949 --> 00:41:58,051
right there on that corner.
748
00:41:58,118 --> 00:42:00,854
So we had many families
that came,
749
00:42:00,921 --> 00:42:03,056
and they brought their
loved ones' belongings,
750
00:42:03,123 --> 00:42:04,591
pictures of their loved ones.
751
00:42:04,658 --> 00:42:06,494
If they were unsolved cases,
I asked them to bring
752
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,264
reward signs,
flyers to distribute.
753
00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:13,934
- We had dealers, um,
who own most of the block, um,
754
00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:16,036
the surrounding blocks
around it.
755
00:42:16,102 --> 00:42:18,238
So it was very dangerous.
756
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,310
- If the killer
was in this area,
757
00:42:23,377 --> 00:42:28,983
I wanted him to know that
I was a mother on a mission.
758
00:42:29,049 --> 00:42:30,784
And I wanted justice.
759
00:42:32,853 --> 00:42:35,656
When I heard that
his name was G or Fax,
760
00:42:35,722 --> 00:42:37,925
I gave that information
to detectives.
761
00:42:37,991 --> 00:42:39,659
When they told me that
he was a drug dealer,
762
00:42:39,726 --> 00:42:41,462
I gave
that information to them.
763
00:42:41,528 --> 00:42:43,530
When they told me he hung out
at the motorcycle club
764
00:42:43,597 --> 00:42:47,367
in 5th and Westmoreland,
I gave that information.
765
00:42:47,434 --> 00:42:49,436
All of this information
I have gathered,
766
00:42:49,503 --> 00:42:53,040
the detectives are not
giving me any feedback.
767
00:42:53,107 --> 00:42:55,709
I felt that the investigation
wasn't rolling fast enough.
768
00:42:55,776 --> 00:42:59,079
They weren't getting
anyone in custody.
769
00:42:59,146 --> 00:43:00,680
- It was a lot of frustration.
770
00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:05,753
It was anger, questions.
771
00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:09,790
But why the police
aren't doing anything.
772
00:43:09,857 --> 00:43:11,558
But it made her stronger,
773
00:43:11,625 --> 00:43:13,793
and it made her wanna fight
even more.
774
00:43:15,696 --> 00:43:17,130
She was desperate.
775
00:43:17,197 --> 00:43:20,367
She was begging, really,
begging reporters
776
00:43:20,433 --> 00:43:22,669
to please tell her story.
777
00:43:22,736 --> 00:43:25,906
I hoped that when
I wrote about Lisa,
778
00:43:25,972 --> 00:43:28,809
people would understand that
this mother is not going away,
779
00:43:28,875 --> 00:43:30,377
that I have her back.
780
00:43:30,443 --> 00:43:33,614
I'm also not going away until
someone could help her
781
00:43:33,681 --> 00:43:35,782
solve RJ's murder.
782
00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:42,122
I appear on the cover
783
00:43:42,189 --> 00:43:44,691
of "The Philadelphia
Inquirer."
784
00:43:44,758 --> 00:43:48,928
Helen Ubinas does an article,
"Mother on a mission."
785
00:43:48,995 --> 00:43:51,231
Now it's on the front page.
786
00:43:51,298 --> 00:43:55,102
The pressure was on the cops.
787
00:43:55,169 --> 00:43:57,938
The story's getting heard.
788
00:43:58,005 --> 00:44:02,009
Philadelphia Police
Homicide Unit is gonna move.
789
00:44:02,076 --> 00:44:04,778
There's something
has to happen.
790
00:44:04,845 --> 00:44:06,180
Went to work.
791
00:44:06,246 --> 00:44:09,416
5:00 I get a call.
792
00:44:09,483 --> 00:44:12,519
Raymond's case has been given
to the Special Task Force.
793
00:44:12,586 --> 00:44:14,755
Now there's five detectives
on the case.
794
00:44:14,822 --> 00:44:16,590
We're gonna be working on it.
795
00:44:22,463 --> 00:44:24,164
Things started
to develop very rapidly.
796
00:44:25,966 --> 00:44:27,534
Our real-time crime center
797
00:44:27,601 --> 00:44:29,503
received an anonymous
phone call
798
00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:32,873
from an individual
who had information
799
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:34,841
related to RJ's killing.
800
00:44:34,908 --> 00:44:39,012
And that ignited a whole new
lead in the investigation.
801
00:44:47,488 --> 00:44:50,156
That led us
to Giovanny Perales.
802
00:44:52,526 --> 00:44:55,396
Once we learned Giovanny
Perales was a suspect,
803
00:44:55,462 --> 00:44:59,265
we were able to piece together
his cell phone records,
804
00:44:59,332 --> 00:45:01,801
which showed he was hitting
off of cell towers
805
00:45:01,868 --> 00:45:04,371
right at the area
of the crime.
806
00:45:04,438 --> 00:45:07,408
And you could see
he was traveling away
807
00:45:07,475 --> 00:45:09,443
from the crime scene
and then hitting off
808
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:11,544
of a different
cell phone tower
809
00:45:11,611 --> 00:45:13,580
in the area of where we knew
810
00:45:13,647 --> 00:45:16,550
he had an address,
where he lived.
811
00:45:16,616 --> 00:45:20,454
Without Lisa's work through
the papers, through the media,
812
00:45:20,521 --> 00:45:23,256
TV stations, and keeping it
on the forefront
813
00:45:23,323 --> 00:45:25,592
of everybody's brains,
814
00:45:25,659 --> 00:45:28,762
we may not have ever received
that anonymous phone call.
815
00:45:38,305 --> 00:45:42,809
The detectives
sent me a text.
816
00:45:42,876 --> 00:45:48,549
And they say, we're on our way
to charge a suspect.
817
00:45:48,615 --> 00:45:50,751
And I'm like, oh, my God,
they're going, they're going,
818
00:45:50,817 --> 00:45:52,486
they're going
to get this person.
819
00:45:54,188 --> 00:45:55,823
He was staying at a home
820
00:45:55,890 --> 00:45:58,492
not far from where
the murder took place.
821
00:46:02,195 --> 00:46:04,331
Detectives prepared
a search warrant.
822
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,136
And Giovanny Perales
was taken into custody.
823
00:46:14,107 --> 00:46:17,244
And then about
two hours later, I get a text.
824
00:46:17,311 --> 00:46:20,647
It says,
"The suspect is in custody
825
00:46:20,714 --> 00:46:22,949
and has been
officially charged."
826
00:46:23,016 --> 00:46:26,086
And at that point...
827
00:46:26,153 --> 00:46:29,757
I let out such a scream.
828
00:46:29,823 --> 00:46:34,495
It was just like,
"Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!"
829
00:46:34,561 --> 00:46:36,863
It felt so good.
830
00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:41,335
And that was liberating.
831
00:46:41,402 --> 00:46:45,072
- She said, Christopher,
they got him, they got him.
832
00:46:45,139 --> 00:46:47,040
It's over.
833
00:46:47,107 --> 00:46:51,745
It was a relief
that my mom can now
834
00:46:51,812 --> 00:46:54,515
finally start grieving.
835
00:46:56,183 --> 00:46:58,085
The fact that this one mom
836
00:46:58,152 --> 00:46:59,720
was able to get some answers,
837
00:46:59,786 --> 00:47:01,521
some accountability,
some justice,
838
00:47:01,588 --> 00:47:05,259
wasn't just something for Lisa.
839
00:47:05,326 --> 00:47:08,428
Suddenly I thought,
there's a reason why you
840
00:47:08,495 --> 00:47:10,097
keep writing these columns.
841
00:47:10,164 --> 00:47:11,899
It's not a waste of time.
842
00:47:11,966 --> 00:47:13,834
Something could happen.
843
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:15,769
Something did happen.
844
00:47:15,836 --> 00:47:17,371
- I remember I was excited,
845
00:47:17,438 --> 00:47:20,474
but I still wasn't content
846
00:47:20,541 --> 00:47:24,044
until we heard what that
final verdict was going to be.
847
00:47:29,182 --> 00:47:32,252
It's the preliminary
hearing day.
848
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:36,257
We're sitting there,
they bring out RJ's murderer.
849
00:47:39,426 --> 00:47:41,495
I sat in the front.
I wanted him to see me.
850
00:47:41,562 --> 00:47:44,431
Because I knew
he knew me already.
851
00:47:44,498 --> 00:47:47,534
They said his name,
Giovanny Perales.
852
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,638
He was known
in the streets for G.
853
00:47:51,705 --> 00:47:54,441
Giovanny Perales
pleaded guilty.
854
00:47:54,508 --> 00:47:57,477
He chose not to say anything.
855
00:47:57,544 --> 00:48:01,048
So I never got
a response from him.
856
00:48:01,115 --> 00:48:04,518
He came across as having
no remorse at all.
857
00:48:20,133 --> 00:48:23,070
I miss RJ's presence,
858
00:48:23,137 --> 00:48:25,940
his laughter.
859
00:48:26,006 --> 00:48:27,942
I miss my little brother.
860
00:48:28,008 --> 00:48:29,209
Um...
861
00:48:31,645 --> 00:48:33,280
Can't get one back.
862
00:48:33,347 --> 00:48:35,015
Don't want one back.
863
00:48:35,082 --> 00:48:37,084
Don't need another one.
864
00:48:37,151 --> 00:48:43,257
Um, but I think his aura
865
00:48:43,323 --> 00:48:46,059
is primarily
what I miss from him.
866
00:48:47,861 --> 00:48:50,063
- This quilt has the
clothes he was wearing
867
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:51,498
the day that he was murdered.
868
00:48:51,564 --> 00:48:54,701
The little hole in the
middle of the flower
869
00:48:54,768 --> 00:48:58,238
is actually where the bullet
pierced his chest.
870
00:48:58,305 --> 00:49:01,075
At times, I just wanna
feel his warmth and his hug,
871
00:49:01,141 --> 00:49:02,976
so I put it around me.
872
00:49:03,043 --> 00:49:05,712
And the warmth of the blanket,
I just close my eyes
873
00:49:05,779 --> 00:49:09,683
and feel like it's him
just holding me.
874
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:12,786
- I just keep the good memories
that I have with him.
875
00:49:12,853 --> 00:49:14,889
There were a lot of them,
there were a lot of them.
876
00:49:14,955 --> 00:49:19,192
What I miss most about RJ
is his smile and personality.
877
00:49:24,398 --> 00:49:28,335
So in aiming
to find RJ's murderer,
878
00:49:28,401 --> 00:49:30,171
a ripple effect happened.
879
00:49:30,237 --> 00:49:32,506
You're looking live
at a rally in Fairmount Park.
880
00:49:32,572 --> 00:49:34,474
It's all part of
National Gun Violence
881
00:49:34,541 --> 00:49:36,643
Awareness Wear Orange Day.
882
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:39,413
This comes as violence
in our area is up.
883
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,316
I wanted to work with
families of unsolved cases,
884
00:49:42,383 --> 00:49:45,486
so my protesters didn't stop.
885
00:49:45,552 --> 00:49:49,856
I was determined that
I had to live again for RJ.
886
00:49:49,923 --> 00:49:53,527
So now I honor his memory.
887
00:49:53,594 --> 00:49:56,730
I tell my story,
my survivor story,
888
00:49:56,796 --> 00:50:00,767
that gun violence is real
and it could touch your home.
889
00:50:01,935 --> 00:50:06,807
We all are bonded by our
grief and by our loss.
890
00:50:06,874 --> 00:50:11,679
But life continues, and if
the shoe was on the other foot
891
00:50:11,745 --> 00:50:14,749
and it was me that
had been murdered,
892
00:50:14,815 --> 00:50:18,552
I would want my family to live
the life I couldn't live.
68673
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