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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,904 --> 00:00:05,573 - My name is Lisa. 2 00:00:09,576 --> 00:00:12,012 I am a mother. 3 00:00:12,079 --> 00:00:15,148 One of my sons was shot dead. 4 00:00:16,850 --> 00:00:18,652 I tracked down his killer. 5 00:00:21,188 --> 00:00:23,823 And this is how I did it. 6 00:00:43,344 --> 00:00:44,678 A man was shot to death 7 00:00:44,744 --> 00:00:46,480 right in front of a group of people 8 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:48,349 while leaving a nightclub in North Philadelphia. 9 00:00:48,415 --> 00:00:50,851 Police say the shooting was even captured on video, 10 00:00:50,917 --> 00:00:53,320 but they're still having no success in finding 11 00:00:53,387 --> 00:00:55,723 the person responsible. 12 00:00:55,789 --> 00:00:58,826 I thought about RJ's dreams and goals, 13 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:02,162 and I thought about my little boy. 14 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:04,431 I couldn't let this person 15 00:01:04,498 --> 00:01:09,403 who caused so much harm and pain just walk away. 16 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:11,504 I was obsessed. I became obsessed. 17 00:01:11,571 --> 00:01:14,208 I was like, it will not be unsolved. 18 00:01:14,274 --> 00:01:16,443 And I decided, I'm gonna have to do 19 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:19,046 the groundwork, the footwork. 20 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:22,082 I started doing my own surveillance. 21 00:01:22,149 --> 00:01:25,219 I went undercover quietly 22 00:01:25,286 --> 00:01:28,254 in the middle of the night, dawn hours. 23 00:01:28,321 --> 00:01:31,292 My goal was to get as much information 24 00:01:31,358 --> 00:01:35,295 to give to the detectives so they can have easier access 25 00:01:35,362 --> 00:01:39,165 to any potential witnesses in order to try and identify 26 00:01:39,232 --> 00:01:41,702 who the murderer was. 27 00:01:41,769 --> 00:01:43,537 I wanted him to be scared. 28 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:47,975 I wanted him to know this person that you killed, 29 00:01:48,041 --> 00:01:50,377 you picked the wrong one. 30 00:01:50,443 --> 00:01:52,246 You picked the wrong one, 31 00:01:52,312 --> 00:01:55,249 and you messed with the wrong mother. 32 00:01:55,315 --> 00:01:57,251 And I was coming for you. 33 00:02:00,754 --> 00:02:03,023 It's 5:30 on this Saturday, April 9. 34 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:04,892 Here are some of the stories that we're following 35 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:06,526 for you this morning... 36 00:02:06,593 --> 00:02:08,996 I lived in North Philadelphia at the time. 37 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:14,000 But I decided to take a trip to see my mom. 38 00:02:14,067 --> 00:02:16,770 We did some outings, went to lunch. 39 00:02:16,837 --> 00:02:18,272 I called it an evening. 40 00:02:18,339 --> 00:02:21,942 It was around 11:00, 11:30, and I took a shower, 41 00:02:22,008 --> 00:02:23,744 and I went to bed. 42 00:02:23,811 --> 00:02:27,948 And I wanted to sleep late, so I put my phone on vibrate. 43 00:02:31,218 --> 00:02:33,086 RJ came around, uh, 44 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:34,554 we talked for a little bit. 45 00:02:34,621 --> 00:02:36,790 He might have had a bite to eat. 46 00:02:36,857 --> 00:02:38,992 He was gonna go out with a couple friends 47 00:02:39,059 --> 00:02:41,461 to shoot some pool. 48 00:02:41,528 --> 00:02:44,531 He borrowed $10, $20 from me. 49 00:02:44,598 --> 00:02:46,933 I went to sleep, I had to work the next morning, 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,139 and, uh, he went on his way to shoot pool with his friends. 51 00:02:56,276 --> 00:02:58,078 North Philadelphia is known 52 00:02:58,145 --> 00:03:00,514 for its marginalized community. 53 00:03:00,580 --> 00:03:02,182 It's a richness of culture there, 54 00:03:02,249 --> 00:03:04,985 and it's a richness of Latin community, 55 00:03:05,052 --> 00:03:07,988 but it was an area where I know 56 00:03:08,055 --> 00:03:11,558 it's easy to find harm's way there. 57 00:03:21,668 --> 00:03:25,071 I received the phone call from my sister 58 00:03:25,138 --> 00:03:32,079 that RJ had been shot and that he was at Temple Hospital. 59 00:03:32,146 --> 00:03:34,314 I was just shocked. 60 00:03:36,650 --> 00:03:38,385 Along the way, I was just praying 61 00:03:38,452 --> 00:03:41,621 that he was just shot, but he would be all right. 62 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:46,794 I heard the phone vibrate. 63 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:50,898 Turned over, phone vibrates again. 64 00:03:54,268 --> 00:03:56,670 I said, I'm gonna turn it off. 65 00:03:56,737 --> 00:04:02,008 When I picked it up, I had two missed calls from Jose 66 00:04:02,075 --> 00:04:05,979 and one missed call from RJ's aunt. 67 00:04:06,046 --> 00:04:09,316 I knew something bad had happened. 68 00:04:10,651 --> 00:04:13,753 The phone rang again, and it was Jose. 69 00:04:15,256 --> 00:04:17,290 And I answered it. 70 00:04:27,301 --> 00:04:30,003 Two detectives walked up to me. 71 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:33,207 They told me, I'm sorry for your loss... 72 00:04:34,775 --> 00:04:36,676 And walked away. 73 00:04:38,812 --> 00:04:42,682 I didn't know what to feel, 74 00:04:42,749 --> 00:04:46,186 how to feel, what to do. 75 00:04:47,854 --> 00:04:50,891 I just crouched down and cried. 76 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:54,628 He's not coming back. He's gone. 77 00:04:56,397 --> 00:04:58,665 Then I called Lisa. 78 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:02,769 Jose told me, Lisa, RJ's gone. 79 00:05:02,836 --> 00:05:05,372 And I said, what do you mean he's gone? 80 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:09,443 And he said, RJ's gone, he's been shot. 81 00:05:09,509 --> 00:05:13,013 And I said, I screamed, no. 82 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,348 And I hung up the phone and I just threw 83 00:05:15,415 --> 00:05:17,584 the cell phone across the room. 84 00:05:18,919 --> 00:05:21,655 And I was talking to myself, saying, Lisa, wake up, Lisa, 85 00:05:21,722 --> 00:05:24,425 wake up, you're in a nightmare, wake up. 86 00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:26,459 And then Luis called me from the scene 87 00:05:26,526 --> 00:05:29,162 of the crime, my oldest son. 88 00:05:29,229 --> 00:05:34,267 And he told me, Mom, it's true. 89 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:38,439 There is yellow tape here everywhere. 90 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:41,908 And when are you getting home, Mom? 91 00:05:41,975 --> 00:05:43,543 My whole world just crashed. 92 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:47,081 It was like, this can't be happening. 93 00:05:47,147 --> 00:05:49,083 How am I gonna survive this? 94 00:05:49,149 --> 00:05:52,519 You're not supposed to bury your children. 95 00:05:52,586 --> 00:05:55,088 They're supposed to bury you. 96 00:06:04,165 --> 00:06:06,867 I grew up in Philadelphia, PA. 97 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:10,203 Had my first son, Luis, at 19, 98 00:06:10,270 --> 00:06:13,941 and then had Christopher at 21. 99 00:06:14,007 --> 00:06:15,909 And RJ was born. 100 00:06:15,976 --> 00:06:18,912 I unwrapped the receiving blanket, counted his fingers. 101 00:06:18,979 --> 00:06:22,216 Remember looking at his big, beautiful brown eyes, 102 00:06:22,283 --> 00:06:24,050 full head of hair. 103 00:06:24,117 --> 00:06:25,552 His name's Raymond, originally, 104 00:06:25,619 --> 00:06:29,556 and he was a ray of light and sunshine. 105 00:06:29,623 --> 00:06:33,794 - RJ was a loving, beautiful baby. 106 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:38,498 Loved him--loved him since the first time I put eyes on him. 107 00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:40,000 - RJ was just full of smiles. 108 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:43,603 RJ will light up a room. 109 00:06:43,670 --> 00:06:45,772 - It's gonna be a great day today. 110 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,507 It's already been good. 111 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:49,909 You know, be sipping on the coffee. 112 00:06:49,976 --> 00:06:51,945 Me, I'm on, like, my third cup. 113 00:06:52,012 --> 00:06:54,448 - He was protective over his family. 114 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:56,449 And if I needed him, I knew he was there, 115 00:06:56,516 --> 00:06:58,952 because we were tight. 116 00:06:59,019 --> 00:07:01,288 - My mom is a hater. She think we taking a picture. 117 00:07:01,355 --> 00:07:03,023 It's the video camera. 118 00:07:03,090 --> 00:07:05,126 Take a picture! Take a picture! 119 00:07:05,192 --> 00:07:07,294 - I got it, yo. 120 00:07:07,361 --> 00:07:08,995 He adored music. 121 00:07:09,062 --> 00:07:10,430 He would write lyrics. 122 00:07:10,497 --> 00:07:13,300 He would be writing songs, even as a kid. 123 00:07:13,367 --> 00:07:15,469 He referred to himself as Hommi. 124 00:07:15,536 --> 00:07:18,572 That was RJ's rap battle name. 125 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:21,342 He was always very affectionate. 126 00:07:21,408 --> 00:07:24,979 He would say, if no one has told you they love you today, 127 00:07:25,046 --> 00:07:27,047 I love you. 128 00:07:27,113 --> 00:07:30,418 For Latinos, family is everything. 129 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:33,186 Um, you take care of your family. 130 00:07:41,328 --> 00:07:43,730 We get to the coroner's office. 131 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:45,299 We went into this room, 132 00:07:45,365 --> 00:07:47,367 and there was a window with blinds. 133 00:07:48,936 --> 00:07:51,671 And RJ's body was laying there 134 00:07:51,738 --> 00:07:55,175 with a white sheet covered to his shoulder. 135 00:07:56,610 --> 00:08:01,281 And I think I was in a state of shock at that point. 136 00:08:01,348 --> 00:08:05,218 And I said, yeah, that's--that's RJ. 137 00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:12,492 And I said, okay, it's time to go. 138 00:08:12,559 --> 00:08:17,731 And at that point, I wanted to know who murdered my son. 139 00:08:21,768 --> 00:08:27,641 So I was calling the detective over and over again. 140 00:08:27,707 --> 00:08:32,178 The detective, when I did get ahold of him, he told me, 141 00:08:32,245 --> 00:08:35,148 we don't have a lead yet on the case. 142 00:08:35,215 --> 00:08:38,185 We'll keep you informed. 143 00:08:38,252 --> 00:08:41,355 Don't call us, we'll call you. 144 00:08:41,421 --> 00:08:43,457 - Well, we knew that there were family members 145 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:45,159 that were hurting, and they were 146 00:08:45,225 --> 00:08:46,761 relying on us to do our job. 147 00:08:46,827 --> 00:08:50,831 And the investigation was already in motion. 148 00:08:50,897 --> 00:08:53,934 We're looking for surveillance cameras 149 00:08:54,001 --> 00:08:57,604 outside of that bar where he was shot to see if we could 150 00:08:57,671 --> 00:08:59,706 identify vehicles that were driving 151 00:08:59,773 --> 00:09:02,209 shortly after that murder. 152 00:09:02,276 --> 00:09:03,477 Of course, we're collecting evidence 153 00:09:03,543 --> 00:09:05,312 on the crime scene, as well, 154 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:08,482 that may give us clues as to who we're looking for. 155 00:09:10,317 --> 00:09:11,585 It has been a violent day, 156 00:09:11,652 --> 00:09:13,220 meanwhile, across Philadelphia. 157 00:09:13,287 --> 00:09:15,923 Just before 3:00 a.m., officers on patrol 158 00:09:15,989 --> 00:09:18,458 heard gunshots in the area of the 2400 block 159 00:09:18,525 --> 00:09:20,460 of South 24th Street. 160 00:09:22,129 --> 00:09:25,066 North Philadelphia is notoriously known 161 00:09:25,132 --> 00:09:26,733 as the Badlands. 162 00:09:31,838 --> 00:09:36,076 It's known for some of the purest and cheapest heroin. 163 00:09:36,143 --> 00:09:40,213 Hand in hand with the drug trade goes violence. 164 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,949 Just the sheer volume of shootings and murders 165 00:09:43,016 --> 00:09:47,020 that happen every day is completely overwhelming. 166 00:09:47,087 --> 00:09:51,358 And unfortunately, some crimes are never solved. 167 00:09:51,425 --> 00:09:54,228 - It was a kid in the hood that got shot, 168 00:09:54,295 --> 00:09:55,762 so it wasn't important. 169 00:09:57,497 --> 00:09:59,366 You get caught in the wrong spot, 170 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:03,036 you're a Latino in a bad neighborhood, 171 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:05,672 bad things can happen. 172 00:10:05,739 --> 00:10:08,475 And in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, 173 00:10:08,542 --> 00:10:11,145 RJ's case is gonna be forgotten 174 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:13,380 if I don't stay involved. 175 00:10:15,482 --> 00:10:17,784 It was a murderer in the streets 176 00:10:17,851 --> 00:10:21,421 and I needed to find out who took my son. 177 00:10:22,522 --> 00:10:24,224 I didn't know where I was gonna start. 178 00:10:24,291 --> 00:10:26,260 I had no clue. 179 00:10:26,326 --> 00:10:29,396 I just knew I had to start. 180 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,633 A gunman opens fire and committed 181 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:35,702 a horrific mass shooting, and it was several dead, 182 00:10:35,769 --> 00:10:36,970 including the suspect. 183 00:10:37,037 --> 00:10:38,238 We'll bring you the latest. 184 00:10:38,305 --> 00:10:39,906 I asked Jose 185 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:41,542 who were the friends that were with him 186 00:10:41,609 --> 00:10:44,378 the night that he got killed? 187 00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:47,615 Jose told me that it was Gunner and White Boy. 188 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:50,851 I told Jose, all right, I wanna go to your sister's house, 189 00:10:50,917 --> 00:10:52,586 because they hang out there. 190 00:10:54,488 --> 00:10:56,023 And Jose was like, what are you doing? 191 00:10:56,090 --> 00:11:00,094 And I said, we need to find out what happened. 192 00:11:00,161 --> 00:11:02,362 And the start is with the individuals 193 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:04,197 that were with him that night. 194 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,802 So then I went to the sister's house 195 00:11:08,869 --> 00:11:13,541 and I told her to give the message to the friends 196 00:11:13,607 --> 00:11:16,343 that I wanted them to tell me what happened. 197 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:22,816 We went to Jose's house. 198 00:11:22,883 --> 00:11:29,022 Gunner comes in, says, I'm here to speak to RJ's mom. 199 00:11:29,089 --> 00:11:31,091 Now my heart is racing. 200 00:11:31,157 --> 00:11:33,194 And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm gonna talk 201 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:34,895 to someone who was there. 202 00:11:34,962 --> 00:11:36,663 Told me there was a fight. 203 00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:40,600 - Well, RJ's friend told us the more people he put down, 204 00:11:40,667 --> 00:11:42,503 the more people kept coming towards him. 205 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:46,106 And he was just pushing them off best he could. 206 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:50,744 This one guy, they never spoke, 207 00:11:50,811 --> 00:11:52,079 they didn't have no disagreement, 208 00:11:52,145 --> 00:11:54,715 just walked up to him and shot him. 209 00:11:57,951 --> 00:12:00,554 At that point, I said, what does he look like? 210 00:12:00,621 --> 00:12:02,289 And he told me, he said he was chubby, 211 00:12:02,356 --> 00:12:04,625 he's not that tall. 212 00:12:04,692 --> 00:12:09,263 And he told me that he had a long beard and curly hair. 213 00:12:09,330 --> 00:12:11,098 And he was Latino. 214 00:12:11,165 --> 00:12:13,334 I said, well, Gunner, can you please just call? 215 00:12:13,401 --> 00:12:14,968 And I begged him, I begged Gunner, 216 00:12:15,035 --> 00:12:16,303 can you please call the cops, 217 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:17,938 can you please tell the detectives, 218 00:12:18,005 --> 00:12:19,773 tell them everything you know. 219 00:12:21,609 --> 00:12:26,280 And he told me that he was not gonna tell the cops. 220 00:12:26,346 --> 00:12:28,615 There is a street code that they follow. 221 00:12:28,682 --> 00:12:32,953 You don't snitch, you just handle it in the streets. 222 00:12:34,888 --> 00:12:37,257 We're gonna get street retaliation. 223 00:12:37,324 --> 00:12:41,728 And I said, I don't want street retaliation. 224 00:12:41,795 --> 00:12:45,165 I wanna see that man in handcuffs. 225 00:12:45,232 --> 00:12:46,633 I wanna go to court. 226 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:50,070 I wanna see that murderer charged. 227 00:12:50,136 --> 00:12:51,739 I don't want him dead. 228 00:12:51,805 --> 00:12:57,177 I don't want another mother to suffer from a loss. 229 00:12:59,313 --> 00:13:01,181 Witnesses are reluctant to come forward 230 00:13:01,248 --> 00:13:05,518 because there's a price to pay for cooperating with police, 231 00:13:05,585 --> 00:13:08,288 and they're putting their own lives in danger. 232 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:11,759 Not all these people are willing to do that, 233 00:13:11,826 --> 00:13:13,460 to risk it. 234 00:13:13,527 --> 00:13:17,898 - It's a thing that happens in our community, unfortunately. 235 00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:24,104 They feel like if they snitch, they're going to be dead, 236 00:13:24,171 --> 00:13:26,406 or they're gonna come after their family, 237 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:28,341 and they don't feel protected. 238 00:13:28,408 --> 00:13:32,880 So her fight was to do it the proper way 239 00:13:32,947 --> 00:13:34,614 and do it the right way. 240 00:13:43,523 --> 00:13:44,924 While we were at Jose's house, 241 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:48,095 another one of RJ's friends shows up. 242 00:13:48,162 --> 00:13:50,531 I said, do you know anything? 243 00:13:50,597 --> 00:13:53,133 At that point, she tells me there's a video. 244 00:13:53,199 --> 00:13:54,467 And I said, a video of what? 245 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:56,036 What do you mean there's a video? 246 00:13:56,103 --> 00:13:59,673 And she says, there's a video of the actual shooting, 247 00:13:59,739 --> 00:14:01,475 and it's on social media. 248 00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:14,488 It was on Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram. 249 00:14:14,555 --> 00:14:17,157 My heart starts racing, because now I'm thinking, 250 00:14:17,224 --> 00:14:20,727 I'm gonna look at the shooting of my son. 251 00:14:22,929 --> 00:14:26,333 But also, another light bulb goes off. 252 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,237 I'm gonna possibly see witnesses that were present 253 00:14:30,303 --> 00:14:32,039 while the shooting happened. 254 00:14:32,106 --> 00:14:37,544 And my hope was that the video captured the shooter. 255 00:14:37,611 --> 00:14:39,413 I immediately call the detective, 256 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,414 told him I had a video, 257 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:44,317 and I sent the links to my son, Luis. 258 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:48,488 And Luis immediately, he started looking at the videos. 259 00:14:50,724 --> 00:14:52,726 Can you see the shooter in the video? 260 00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:55,128 That's my first question. Can you see the shooter? 261 00:14:56,530 --> 00:14:59,466 Ooh, ooh, shit! Ooh, shit! 262 00:15:04,438 --> 00:15:06,307 And he says, Mom, you really can't 263 00:15:06,374 --> 00:15:09,442 see a clear shot of the face. 264 00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:11,979 At this point, I actually look at the video. 265 00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:17,617 Ooh, ooh, shit! Ooh, shit! 266 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,122 I see RJ. 267 00:15:22,189 --> 00:15:24,124 I see there's a scuffle. 268 00:15:25,492 --> 00:15:27,361 They out here drawing. 269 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:29,563 They mixing and shit, they mixing. 270 00:15:29,630 --> 00:15:31,532 - I hear people talking. 271 00:15:31,599 --> 00:15:35,235 Oh, look, there's a fight happening. 272 00:15:35,302 --> 00:15:37,705 The wretchedness, damn. 273 00:15:37,771 --> 00:15:40,173 He looks to the right. 274 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,908 And then as he looks to the left, 275 00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:44,311 you see the shooter walk up. 276 00:15:44,378 --> 00:15:46,880 He sees the shooter, he sees the gun. 277 00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:50,017 And right there, the shooter pulls the trigger. 278 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:55,055 Oh, we out of here. 279 00:15:55,122 --> 00:15:57,424 My son just drops. 280 00:15:58,892 --> 00:16:01,228 You hear witnesses saying, oh, they got shot, 281 00:16:01,295 --> 00:16:02,863 the boy got shot. 282 00:16:02,929 --> 00:16:06,533 But you don't hear anyone screaming, call 911. 283 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,371 So as I'm seeing this, my mind is going through this video, 284 00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:13,874 this is gonna be what's gonna get us to this killer. 285 00:16:13,941 --> 00:16:17,577 This is the tool. This is what we need. 286 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:21,148 Not only do I have to bury my son, 287 00:16:21,214 --> 00:16:23,350 but I also have to watch his death. 288 00:16:26,487 --> 00:16:28,021 Over... 289 00:16:28,088 --> 00:16:29,423 Ooh, shit! 290 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:31,224 And over... 291 00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:32,459 Damn. 292 00:16:32,526 --> 00:16:33,794 And over again... 293 00:16:33,861 --> 00:16:35,362 Oh, we out of here. 294 00:16:35,428 --> 00:16:38,131 To identify witnesses. 295 00:16:38,198 --> 00:16:42,236 But I knew that this was the last thing 296 00:16:42,302 --> 00:16:46,773 I can do for RJ to get information to the detectives 297 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,209 so they could find his killer. 298 00:16:58,719 --> 00:17:01,688 I was raised in a single family. 299 00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:04,457 Well, my mother was a single mother. 300 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,526 We had domestic violence in my home, 301 00:17:06,593 --> 00:17:11,064 and at the age of about 20, I turned to drugs. 302 00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:13,600 I turned to using cocaine. 303 00:17:13,667 --> 00:17:18,472 I, um, enjoyed the feeling of it, because it 304 00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:23,510 made me forget that trauma that I had not dealt with. 305 00:17:23,577 --> 00:17:25,479 I was in the midst of addiction, 306 00:17:25,546 --> 00:17:31,685 and I knew that I was going really rock bottom. 307 00:17:31,752 --> 00:17:34,521 Looking at RJ and trying to do right by RJ 308 00:17:34,588 --> 00:17:38,425 was my motivation to stop using. 309 00:17:38,492 --> 00:17:40,494 I went and got my high school diploma 310 00:17:40,561 --> 00:17:45,633 and I got a good paying job as a frontline worker 311 00:17:45,699 --> 00:17:47,167 in the social work field. 312 00:17:48,469 --> 00:17:49,903 RJ saved me from the streets, 313 00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:52,806 and he saved me from addiction. 314 00:17:52,873 --> 00:17:54,775 He did. 315 00:17:54,842 --> 00:17:57,878 How can I not honor his life by trying 316 00:17:57,945 --> 00:18:00,547 to find out who took his life? 317 00:18:02,149 --> 00:18:03,851 There has been so much violence 318 00:18:03,918 --> 00:18:06,520 and heartbreak in America after multiple mass shootings 319 00:18:06,587 --> 00:18:09,323 have ripped families and communities apart, 320 00:18:09,389 --> 00:18:11,925 one after the other. The latest... 321 00:18:11,992 --> 00:18:14,828 Me and my son Luis started working together, 322 00:18:14,895 --> 00:18:17,664 working the case. 323 00:18:19,466 --> 00:18:22,936 We start trying to identify witnesses. 324 00:18:23,003 --> 00:18:25,206 And I was taking pictures of the actual video 325 00:18:25,272 --> 00:18:26,707 while it's rolling... 326 00:18:28,174 --> 00:18:32,279 So that we can enlarge their faces. 327 00:18:32,346 --> 00:18:35,149 And I told Luis, see who comments 328 00:18:35,216 --> 00:18:39,219 on the videos that was there. 329 00:18:39,286 --> 00:18:41,121 If they said, yeah, I was there, 330 00:18:41,188 --> 00:18:43,456 or yeah, I seen the boy get shot. 331 00:18:45,492 --> 00:18:46,893 I printed everything out. 332 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,963 And I literally had a room in my house 333 00:18:50,030 --> 00:18:52,699 that was focused on RJ's investigation. 334 00:18:56,503 --> 00:18:59,406 And on this wall, I had a mapping process 335 00:18:59,473 --> 00:19:01,441 that I did of witnesses, because I wanted 336 00:19:01,508 --> 00:19:04,044 to see how it pieced together. 337 00:19:05,613 --> 00:19:07,381 I'm talking to the detectives. 338 00:19:07,448 --> 00:19:10,150 They're telling me they have no suspect. 339 00:19:11,886 --> 00:19:14,288 Initially, detectives were able to get some names 340 00:19:14,355 --> 00:19:16,123 of people who were there. 341 00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:18,359 But at that time, people weren't willing 342 00:19:18,426 --> 00:19:20,560 to come forward and tell us the name of the shooter, 343 00:19:20,627 --> 00:19:22,863 despite the fact that some of these people 344 00:19:22,930 --> 00:19:25,065 were no less than an arm length away from him 345 00:19:25,131 --> 00:19:26,700 when he pulled the trigger. 346 00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:28,168 It was simply disheartening. 347 00:19:28,235 --> 00:19:31,305 And I decided, I'm gonna have to do 348 00:19:31,372 --> 00:19:33,106 the groundwork, the footwork. 349 00:19:36,377 --> 00:19:40,881 My goal here was, okay, identify the witnesses first. 350 00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:42,782 Follow them. 351 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:46,987 Hang out in their locations to give that information 352 00:19:47,053 --> 00:19:48,589 to the detectives. 353 00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:50,791 I started doing my own surveillance. 354 00:20:04,004 --> 00:20:05,505 Based on the information that I got 355 00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:07,241 from the stills and the Facebook 356 00:20:07,308 --> 00:20:10,043 and through my research, I identified areas 357 00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:12,446 where potential witnesses hung out. 358 00:20:12,513 --> 00:20:17,484 Then I would do surveillance in the targeted locations. 359 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,620 I didn't take Christopher with me. 360 00:20:19,687 --> 00:20:22,523 I didn't take anyone with me. I went on my own. 361 00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:24,925 And guess what? I could become the target. 362 00:20:24,992 --> 00:20:28,128 Because it is the ghetto, it's the hood. 363 00:20:28,195 --> 00:20:31,632 - When my mom came to me about the fact of, 364 00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:35,369 she wanted to take it to the neighborhood, 365 00:20:35,436 --> 00:20:38,072 take it to the area where he was shot and killed, 366 00:20:38,139 --> 00:20:39,506 I was skeptical. 367 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,409 Depending on what area she was going into, 368 00:20:41,475 --> 00:20:43,410 because we're talking about North Philadelphia here. 369 00:20:43,477 --> 00:20:45,045 We're talking about the Badlands. 370 00:20:45,112 --> 00:20:49,816 We're talking about high drug and gun violence. 371 00:20:51,152 --> 00:20:52,719 - I had to be discreet about it, 372 00:20:52,786 --> 00:20:56,424 and there was times when I had to just park and follow 373 00:20:56,490 --> 00:21:00,294 individuals and try to identify their home locations 374 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,829 based on where they were hanging at. 375 00:21:02,896 --> 00:21:06,733 It was unsafe, but it was a risk I was willing to take 376 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,702 to get witnesses. 377 00:21:16,877 --> 00:21:19,346 I was doing surveillance quietly 378 00:21:19,413 --> 00:21:22,015 in the middle of the night. 379 00:21:22,082 --> 00:21:26,386 I wasn't concerned at that point about my safety. 380 00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:30,490 My obsession to identify this murderer 381 00:21:30,557 --> 00:21:35,829 was so much stronger than my fear. 382 00:21:35,896 --> 00:21:41,234 That was my drive that ignited that fire. 383 00:21:42,469 --> 00:21:44,304 Some of these neighborhoods, 384 00:21:44,371 --> 00:21:46,607 you don't walk in and ask questions, you know. 385 00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:51,111 They could have taken her down any time, any moment. 386 00:21:51,178 --> 00:21:52,713 I had to change my attire. 387 00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:55,448 So I would put, like, something on my head, 388 00:21:55,515 --> 00:21:57,618 like hats, or I did, like, 389 00:21:57,684 --> 00:22:01,321 turban kind of style, scarves on my head. 390 00:22:01,388 --> 00:22:03,857 I had to be strategic. 391 00:22:08,863 --> 00:22:13,433 There was so many witnesses that I identified. 392 00:22:16,203 --> 00:22:18,506 There was one lady that worked in a supermarket 393 00:22:18,572 --> 00:22:21,809 like a half block down from where RJ was murdered. 394 00:22:21,875 --> 00:22:23,543 She was a cashier. 395 00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:30,384 I went a couple of times to that supermarket 396 00:22:30,451 --> 00:22:34,421 and selected that cashier. 397 00:22:34,488 --> 00:22:36,724 And guess what? I started a conversation. 398 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,092 Little by little, by the third time, I'm like, 399 00:22:39,159 --> 00:22:42,396 did you hear about that shooting in B and Allegheny? 400 00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:44,798 I knew she was there. 401 00:22:44,865 --> 00:22:46,166 "Yeah, I did. 402 00:22:46,233 --> 00:22:47,802 I know about the shooting. I was there." 403 00:22:47,868 --> 00:22:49,703 Oh, you was? 404 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:51,338 Did you see anything? 405 00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:54,241 She described the same stock and build. 406 00:22:54,308 --> 00:22:56,476 Didn't give me details of the face. 407 00:22:56,543 --> 00:23:00,915 So I knew a little information. 408 00:23:00,981 --> 00:23:04,218 In our community, when things doesn't seem 409 00:23:04,285 --> 00:23:06,086 like they're going your way, the next best thing 410 00:23:06,153 --> 00:23:08,556 is try to take things in your own hands. 411 00:23:08,622 --> 00:23:10,190 And she did. 412 00:23:13,793 --> 00:23:16,463 - Gunner's friend had given me one video, 413 00:23:16,530 --> 00:23:18,866 but then when we looked at social media, 414 00:23:18,932 --> 00:23:23,137 we found two additional videos from different angles. 415 00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:27,408 There was another gentleman. 416 00:23:27,474 --> 00:23:31,378 His comment said, "I was so close 417 00:23:31,445 --> 00:23:33,446 that the body fell on me." 418 00:23:35,249 --> 00:23:36,716 That person, in my mind, 419 00:23:36,783 --> 00:23:38,719 was close enough to see the shooter. 420 00:23:38,786 --> 00:23:42,355 So I was targeting that individual. 421 00:23:42,422 --> 00:23:45,626 I went into that Facebook and I identified people 422 00:23:45,693 --> 00:23:49,329 who were friends to some friends that I knew. 423 00:23:49,396 --> 00:23:52,132 I went to one lady and I said, hey, by any chance, 424 00:23:52,198 --> 00:23:53,967 do you know this individual? 425 00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:55,569 Yeah, I do, I know him. 426 00:23:55,636 --> 00:23:57,237 And I said, do you know where he lives? 427 00:23:57,304 --> 00:23:59,239 She said, look, I don't have his information, 428 00:23:59,306 --> 00:24:01,174 but I have his mother's information. 429 00:24:03,177 --> 00:24:04,712 So I got the mother's address. 430 00:24:04,779 --> 00:24:08,748 Then I found out where the mother went to church. 431 00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,818 Then I spoke to RJ's grandmother, 432 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,653 because they had an associated church. 433 00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:17,191 And apparently, this mother 434 00:24:17,258 --> 00:24:20,260 had asked for prayer at church, 435 00:24:20,327 --> 00:24:24,264 because her son had been present at a shooting 436 00:24:24,331 --> 00:24:26,801 with a gun in B and Allegheny. 437 00:24:26,867 --> 00:24:29,736 So at this point, I'm thinking, that's the shooter. 438 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:38,112 He was dark skinned, had an afro, had the beard, 439 00:24:38,179 --> 00:24:41,014 but he didn't have the stocky build. 440 00:24:41,081 --> 00:24:44,184 So that was the only thing that was off. 441 00:24:48,455 --> 00:24:50,724 I was putting this puzzle together, 442 00:24:50,791 --> 00:24:52,392 and every little piece and information 443 00:24:52,459 --> 00:24:54,027 that I got, it just connected. 444 00:24:54,094 --> 00:24:57,965 And I would go home and connect another address 445 00:24:58,032 --> 00:25:01,334 or another person in order to try and identify 446 00:25:01,401 --> 00:25:03,136 who the murderer was. 447 00:25:11,178 --> 00:25:13,547 So my niece called me. 448 00:25:13,613 --> 00:25:16,983 She was upset about RJ's death, and she mentioned it 449 00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:18,385 when a coworker approached her. 450 00:25:18,452 --> 00:25:21,488 The coworker told her that her sister 451 00:25:21,555 --> 00:25:26,293 had helped someone who got shot on that same day 452 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,329 at that same location. 453 00:25:29,396 --> 00:25:31,765 I immediately wanted to talk to them to find out 454 00:25:31,832 --> 00:25:33,833 what happened that night with RJ, just in case 455 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:35,469 they know who the killer is. 456 00:25:39,473 --> 00:25:41,708 My phone rang. It was Lisa on the other end. 457 00:25:41,775 --> 00:25:44,912 She wanted to know what happened. 458 00:25:44,978 --> 00:25:51,985 It was actually just a regular, active, beautiful night. 459 00:25:55,489 --> 00:25:57,057 You know, people were out in the streets. 460 00:25:57,123 --> 00:25:58,626 It's Philadelphia. 461 00:25:58,692 --> 00:26:01,395 You know, it is a city that loves its sports, 462 00:26:01,462 --> 00:26:04,798 loves its people, great nightlife. 463 00:26:04,865 --> 00:26:06,700 I was in the nightclub downstairs 464 00:26:06,767 --> 00:26:10,104 with a friend celebrating her birthday. 465 00:26:10,170 --> 00:26:11,872 Being that my friend's boyfriend owned the bar, 466 00:26:11,939 --> 00:26:15,075 we closed the bar at night, so it was fairly late. 467 00:26:15,142 --> 00:26:17,177 We were leaving, closed the gates. 468 00:26:17,244 --> 00:26:22,383 And then you just hear a loud pop and screaming. 469 00:26:25,486 --> 00:26:28,889 I just remember people standing over RJ's body, 470 00:26:28,956 --> 00:26:31,892 but nobody was doing anything. 471 00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:33,461 And I knew I had to help. 472 00:26:33,527 --> 00:26:36,330 She said he was laying on the ground. 473 00:26:36,397 --> 00:26:39,833 She went to help him. She said RJ was awake. 474 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,169 He looked dazed. 475 00:26:42,236 --> 00:26:45,039 She told me he had the biggest beautiful brown eyes. 476 00:26:46,974 --> 00:26:49,576 I looked down at him. He looked confused. 477 00:26:49,643 --> 00:26:53,513 He was there for a moment, and then one last blink, 478 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:57,317 and you can see that, you know, he was no longer there. 479 00:26:57,384 --> 00:26:59,452 Then I proceeded to do CPR for him. 480 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,190 As doing so, I just started screaming, call 911. 481 00:27:05,392 --> 00:27:08,128 Cops finally got there, which felt like forever. 482 00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:10,230 That's when the cops do what they-- 483 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,132 they scoop and carry, grabbed him, 484 00:27:12,199 --> 00:27:15,936 threw him in the back of the cruiser, and took off. 485 00:27:20,708 --> 00:27:23,810 Unfortunately, I didn't see the act of violence. 486 00:27:23,877 --> 00:27:27,982 I was no help of being able to identify 487 00:27:28,048 --> 00:27:29,950 the person who had done this to RJ. 488 00:27:30,017 --> 00:27:33,153 Um, just my portion of afterwards. 489 00:27:34,287 --> 00:27:35,956 I feel bad still. 490 00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:39,927 I hurt for the pain that she has of not having her son RJ. 491 00:27:39,994 --> 00:27:43,631 Um, I wish it were different. 492 00:27:43,697 --> 00:27:47,100 - It felt good to know that my son wasn't alone 493 00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:51,571 on the cold ground, dying by himself, 494 00:27:51,638 --> 00:27:53,840 just looking around. 495 00:27:53,907 --> 00:27:56,310 She was RJ's Earth angel. 496 00:27:56,377 --> 00:27:59,679 And I'm forever grateful to her. 497 00:27:59,746 --> 00:28:01,815 She specifically wanted to thank me 498 00:28:01,882 --> 00:28:03,750 for being there for her son. 499 00:28:03,817 --> 00:28:08,121 The one line that she did say to me was, um... 500 00:28:09,823 --> 00:28:12,860 "It was nice knowing that my son came into this world 501 00:28:12,927 --> 00:28:14,394 "in a woman's arms 502 00:28:14,461 --> 00:28:17,064 and had passed in a woman's arms." 503 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:18,732 Um... 504 00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:21,501 that kind of will always stick with me. 505 00:28:27,941 --> 00:28:29,643 So RJ, as a teenager, 506 00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:31,745 started making his own choices. 507 00:28:31,812 --> 00:28:34,982 He was using weed, and this weed was leading him 508 00:28:35,049 --> 00:28:36,883 to different paths. 509 00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:41,254 And he started spending more time in North Philadelphia. 510 00:28:41,321 --> 00:28:43,590 It is an area where you see homelessness, 511 00:28:43,657 --> 00:28:47,661 where you see prevalent drug addiction. 512 00:28:47,728 --> 00:28:50,431 He started getting more withdrawn from the family 513 00:28:50,497 --> 00:28:53,834 and becoming more into his circle of friends. 514 00:28:53,901 --> 00:28:56,570 RJ, I guess, started changing 515 00:28:56,637 --> 00:28:59,506 once my mom and his dad got divorced. 516 00:28:59,573 --> 00:29:02,409 That, I really think, affected him. 517 00:29:03,811 --> 00:29:06,713 He started gravitating more towards the streets 518 00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:08,915 than he was before. 519 00:29:08,982 --> 00:29:11,051 I knew that the choices that he was making 520 00:29:11,118 --> 00:29:12,919 could put him in harm's way. 521 00:29:12,986 --> 00:29:17,558 And once he did get locked up for selling weed. 522 00:29:17,624 --> 00:29:20,827 And at a point, I told RJ, the streets 523 00:29:20,894 --> 00:29:25,199 are gonna either take your life or it's taking your freedom. 524 00:29:28,769 --> 00:29:33,173 RJ became a father at the age of, I believe he was 19. 525 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,477 And he had JoJo, his daughter. 526 00:29:36,543 --> 00:29:40,580 He started shying away from the drug dealing 527 00:29:40,647 --> 00:29:43,217 and started doing some construction work. 528 00:29:43,283 --> 00:29:45,953 And he wanted to be a good father. 529 00:29:46,019 --> 00:29:47,354 I felt ecstatic. 530 00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:50,090 I felt that RJ was gonna be safe again, 531 00:29:50,157 --> 00:29:53,894 that he was removing himself from harm's way. 532 00:29:55,162 --> 00:29:59,800 - It was his time to leave all the childhood stuff behind 533 00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:04,538 and become the man that we all knew that he could be. 534 00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:17,117 I got to a point with the detectives 535 00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:19,352 where I was calling and I wasn't getting a response. 536 00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:21,655 So at that point, I wrote to his superior. 537 00:30:23,457 --> 00:30:25,425 The detectives finally called me. 538 00:30:25,492 --> 00:30:29,329 And they told me they would meet me at my place of work. 539 00:30:31,098 --> 00:30:34,234 After the shooting, we ran down every witness, 540 00:30:34,301 --> 00:30:37,405 every lead we had, but were in a sense, hopeless, 541 00:30:37,471 --> 00:30:39,239 because we weren't getting answers. 542 00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:43,377 The first thing I told them was, 543 00:30:43,444 --> 00:30:44,811 I need you to contact me. 544 00:30:44,878 --> 00:30:47,981 I've been calling you every day. 545 00:30:48,048 --> 00:30:51,718 And they said, well, we really don't have much. 546 00:30:51,785 --> 00:30:54,120 And they told me, even if we have updates, 547 00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:56,390 we can't share that information with you. 548 00:30:56,456 --> 00:30:58,726 And I said, okay, well, you're not sharing with me, 549 00:30:58,792 --> 00:31:01,027 I can share with you. 550 00:31:01,094 --> 00:31:03,797 I had printed out separate piles 551 00:31:03,864 --> 00:31:06,333 of seven or eight witnesses. 552 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,335 And I started giving names. 553 00:31:08,402 --> 00:31:10,337 They said, how did you get that information? 554 00:31:10,404 --> 00:31:12,272 And I said, the streets. I've been out there. 555 00:31:12,339 --> 00:31:14,841 If you go to the streets, they'll talk. 556 00:31:14,908 --> 00:31:17,377 - She was able to speak with people in a way 557 00:31:17,444 --> 00:31:21,414 that police detectives are unable to do 558 00:31:21,481 --> 00:31:23,050 out in those neighborhoods. 559 00:31:23,116 --> 00:31:25,785 She was doing everything that she could 560 00:31:25,852 --> 00:31:28,054 on her end to gather information, 561 00:31:28,121 --> 00:31:30,591 to give us new leads of individuals 562 00:31:30,657 --> 00:31:32,826 we could identify and speak with. 563 00:31:35,162 --> 00:31:36,630 We're speaking to these witnesses 564 00:31:36,697 --> 00:31:40,600 and we brought them down to the Homicide Unit, 565 00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:42,903 tried to develop a relationship, a rapport 566 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:46,073 with them, and make them feel as comfortable as we could 567 00:31:46,139 --> 00:31:48,475 and get the information they had. 568 00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:53,714 But none of those individuals were willing to give us 569 00:31:53,780 --> 00:31:59,786 even a clue to help the family of RJ find justice, 570 00:31:59,853 --> 00:32:03,423 just because of fear factor of being labeled a snitch 571 00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:05,425 and the consequences that come from that 572 00:32:05,492 --> 00:32:06,726 in those neighborhoods. 573 00:32:08,561 --> 00:32:11,498 It's difficult to remain positive. 574 00:32:11,565 --> 00:32:13,567 There probably wasn't a single night I went to sleep 575 00:32:13,634 --> 00:32:17,537 where I wasn't thinking, how can I find a way 576 00:32:17,604 --> 00:32:22,609 to get a witness to come forward and solve this murder? 577 00:32:22,676 --> 00:32:25,512 I gave the detectives names of witnesses. 578 00:32:25,579 --> 00:32:28,882 I gave them videos of the shooting... 579 00:32:30,651 --> 00:32:32,819 And it didn't lead to anything. 580 00:32:37,324 --> 00:32:38,525 I felt I hit a brick wall. 581 00:32:38,592 --> 00:32:41,361 I felt that I was hitting a dead end. 582 00:32:41,428 --> 00:32:44,198 There was no more connecting the dots. 583 00:32:48,168 --> 00:32:51,738 The investigation, my research was stagnated. 584 00:32:53,007 --> 00:32:56,142 I decided to take a different approach. 585 00:32:57,745 --> 00:33:01,181 I'm gonna reach out and see if I can soften some hearts 586 00:33:01,248 --> 00:33:03,784 of these witnesses. 587 00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:05,218 And that's what I did. 588 00:33:15,162 --> 00:33:16,630 I wanted media coverage. 589 00:33:16,697 --> 00:33:18,331 And my niece told me about this journalist 590 00:33:18,398 --> 00:33:20,067 that did an article about retrieving a gun 591 00:33:20,134 --> 00:33:22,002 very quickly in Philadelphia. 592 00:33:24,971 --> 00:33:27,941 Honestly, when I first got the call, 593 00:33:28,008 --> 00:33:30,511 I thought, you know, this--the-- 594 00:33:30,578 --> 00:33:32,646 the numbers are not on her side. 595 00:33:34,981 --> 00:33:37,751 In a lot of ways, Lisa did not differ 596 00:33:37,818 --> 00:33:41,455 from a lot of the mothers that I have followed. 597 00:33:41,522 --> 00:33:47,161 But what Lisa had was this fire in her. 598 00:33:47,227 --> 00:33:50,330 Lisa was desperately trying to keep her son 599 00:33:50,397 --> 00:33:53,366 from being another statistic in Philadelphia. 600 00:33:53,433 --> 00:33:56,436 So we sat down, and she told me all that she knew. 601 00:33:56,503 --> 00:34:01,374 Uh, but really, the story for me was about this mother 602 00:34:01,441 --> 00:34:04,244 who was on a mission to make sure 603 00:34:04,311 --> 00:34:07,047 that she got justice for her son. 604 00:34:09,616 --> 00:34:12,486 - A man was shot to death right in front of a group of people 605 00:34:12,553 --> 00:34:14,554 while leaving a nightclub in North Philadelphia. 606 00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:17,357 Now the victim's mother is asking for your help. 607 00:34:17,424 --> 00:34:19,927 This person is walking free in our streets, 608 00:34:19,994 --> 00:34:23,897 and they can hurt your son, your daughter, your child. 609 00:34:23,964 --> 00:34:25,766 There's a murderer out there. 610 00:34:25,833 --> 00:34:29,803 Helen Ubinas started tracking me, started tracking my story. 611 00:34:31,471 --> 00:34:35,042 That brought interest to the other networks 612 00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:36,309 and the news media. 613 00:34:36,376 --> 00:34:38,312 - We hear one mother's compelling story 614 00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:40,848 and her courage to fight for justice. 615 00:34:40,914 --> 00:34:42,683 I wanted it to be known to the whole community, 616 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:45,452 to Philadelphia, I'm Lisa Espinosa, 617 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,254 and I'm looking for my son's murderer. 618 00:34:47,321 --> 00:34:48,989 There were plenty of witnesses 619 00:34:49,056 --> 00:34:52,159 that saw what happened, and no one's coming forth. 620 00:34:52,226 --> 00:34:53,460 - Yeah, in the Latino community, 621 00:34:53,527 --> 00:34:55,295 there's a snitch code. 622 00:34:55,362 --> 00:34:57,531 They say snitches get stitches. 623 00:34:57,598 --> 00:35:01,635 I wanted the killer to know, I'm looking for you. 624 00:35:01,702 --> 00:35:03,770 And I knew that through that media outlet 625 00:35:03,837 --> 00:35:06,340 and me making noise, he was gonna hear. 626 00:35:06,406 --> 00:35:10,310 Our community needs to get together and get empowered 627 00:35:10,377 --> 00:35:12,112 and go against these individuals 628 00:35:12,179 --> 00:35:14,080 who are cold-blooded killers. 629 00:35:16,683 --> 00:35:18,919 I reached out to Roz, Rosalind Pichardo, 630 00:35:18,986 --> 00:35:20,554 Operation Save Our City. 631 00:35:20,621 --> 00:35:23,157 Someone told me that she did protests and marches 632 00:35:23,224 --> 00:35:25,626 and she worked with families of homicide. 633 00:35:25,693 --> 00:35:28,462 She told me about RJ's death. 634 00:35:28,529 --> 00:35:30,798 It was so close to where I live. 635 00:35:30,864 --> 00:35:33,500 It's, like, a couple blocks from my house. 636 00:35:33,567 --> 00:35:36,670 So this could be anyone that I know, you know? 637 00:35:36,736 --> 00:35:38,939 And I kind of connected right away. 638 00:35:41,808 --> 00:35:45,312 I've lost my boyfriend to murder. 639 00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:47,781 My ex-boyfriend, he was shot himself, too. 640 00:35:47,848 --> 00:35:52,953 And then I lost my brother, Alexander Martinez, to murder. 641 00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:55,489 When my brother was murdered, uh, 642 00:35:55,555 --> 00:35:58,792 we didn't get much information from, like, the detectives. 643 00:35:58,859 --> 00:36:02,696 So that's when Operation Save Our City was born, 644 00:36:02,763 --> 00:36:06,166 where we can advocate for our own selves. 645 00:36:14,007 --> 00:36:16,644 - This is where it all happened. 646 00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:22,315 This is the club that RJ was in on April 10, 2016. 647 00:36:22,382 --> 00:36:25,619 And on the third white line was where he was shot 648 00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:27,153 and his body dropped. 649 00:36:29,156 --> 00:36:30,424 And in that corner right there 650 00:36:30,491 --> 00:36:33,260 is where I did the first protest. 651 00:36:38,565 --> 00:36:40,300 We started protesting and marching 652 00:36:40,367 --> 00:36:43,170 through the neighborhoods, and all these mothers 653 00:36:43,237 --> 00:36:45,105 were being introduced to me that was telling me, 654 00:36:45,172 --> 00:36:47,507 I lost my son, I lost my son. 655 00:36:47,574 --> 00:36:53,413 I met a lady who lost her son April 13, three days after RJ, 656 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,282 whose case is still unsolved. 657 00:36:55,348 --> 00:36:57,251 What do we want? Justice! 658 00:36:57,317 --> 00:36:59,286 When do we want it? Now! 659 00:36:59,352 --> 00:37:01,322 What do we want? Justice! 660 00:37:01,388 --> 00:37:03,290 When do we want it? Now! 661 00:37:03,357 --> 00:37:05,458 And we asked people, do you know of anything? 662 00:37:05,525 --> 00:37:06,926 Have you heard about this murder? 663 00:37:06,993 --> 00:37:08,829 This murder happened around the corner. 664 00:37:08,896 --> 00:37:12,198 - Lisa put herself in danger every single day 665 00:37:12,265 --> 00:37:14,168 that she was investigating her son's murder. 666 00:37:14,234 --> 00:37:16,503 She may be knocking on the door of the person 667 00:37:16,570 --> 00:37:19,139 who's responsible for killing her son. 668 00:37:20,574 --> 00:37:23,410 Those taking part in this group photograph 669 00:37:23,476 --> 00:37:25,278 have all been impacted by gun violence 670 00:37:25,345 --> 00:37:26,646 on the streets of Philadelphia. 671 00:37:26,713 --> 00:37:28,048 Because gun violence 672 00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:30,417 has hit each one of them. 673 00:37:31,852 --> 00:37:34,688 There was just something about her energy 674 00:37:34,754 --> 00:37:38,024 not like any mother that I've ever helped. 675 00:37:39,259 --> 00:37:41,295 Although you can see the pain in her eyes, 676 00:37:41,362 --> 00:37:43,030 there was, like, no stopping her. 677 00:37:43,096 --> 00:37:45,499 There was no fear. 678 00:37:45,566 --> 00:37:48,201 Because she was ruffling a lot of feathers 679 00:37:48,268 --> 00:37:49,837 in the neighborhood. 680 00:37:49,903 --> 00:37:52,639 - I was worried they had a killer right now 681 00:37:52,706 --> 00:37:54,408 that was loose out in the streets 682 00:37:54,474 --> 00:37:58,245 who didn't care about killing RJ. 683 00:37:58,312 --> 00:38:01,681 So why would he care about hurting 684 00:38:01,748 --> 00:38:04,217 somebody else within the family? 685 00:38:14,127 --> 00:38:20,734 - I started getting anonymous texts from unknown numbers. 686 00:38:20,801 --> 00:38:23,237 "Stop talking, bitch." 687 00:38:23,304 --> 00:38:29,376 "If you don't stop, we're coming after your family." 688 00:38:29,443 --> 00:38:32,112 "You're gonna die like your-- like your son." 689 00:38:33,847 --> 00:38:35,415 At this point, though, my family 690 00:38:35,482 --> 00:38:38,419 started getting worried. 691 00:38:38,485 --> 00:38:40,420 My sons got to a point where they felt 692 00:38:40,487 --> 00:38:43,190 I was making too much noise. 693 00:38:43,256 --> 00:38:46,894 They said, well, Mom, we lost RJ. 694 00:38:46,961 --> 00:38:48,562 We don't wanna lose you. 695 00:38:48,629 --> 00:38:52,666 Then I let my sons know, I can't stop. 696 00:38:58,005 --> 00:39:02,109 I knew I was close because I was already getting threats. 697 00:39:02,175 --> 00:39:06,446 I knew that I was making the killer uncomfortable. 698 00:39:09,550 --> 00:39:13,487 Any information I got from the protests 699 00:39:13,554 --> 00:39:15,856 could lead to the next location 700 00:39:15,923 --> 00:39:17,190 to do targeted outreach 701 00:39:17,257 --> 00:39:20,227 in different locations within the city. 702 00:39:21,228 --> 00:39:23,563 Now to the searing heat here in the Northeast, 703 00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:25,766 where they have extended a heat emergency. 704 00:39:25,833 --> 00:39:28,168 And we are slated to hit 95 once again today. 705 00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:29,570 It's almost unbelievable. 706 00:39:29,636 --> 00:39:31,104 We did a targeted outreach. 707 00:39:31,171 --> 00:39:33,407 Hot summer day, was a heat wave day. 708 00:39:33,474 --> 00:39:35,809 And at this point, I'm putting flyers on cars, 709 00:39:35,876 --> 00:39:38,846 I'm putting flyers in all the mailboxes. 710 00:39:38,912 --> 00:39:42,115 And that day, I got a lead. 711 00:39:44,818 --> 00:39:49,322 Pulled someone aside who said, you need to be careful. 712 00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:51,558 The killer, he's a drug dealer. 713 00:39:51,625 --> 00:39:53,560 He's always walking with a gun. 714 00:39:53,627 --> 00:39:55,729 I said, come over here, well, talk to me a little bit. 715 00:39:55,796 --> 00:39:57,530 We'll pretend like we're talking about the flyer. 716 00:39:57,597 --> 00:40:00,000 I heard the killer drives a car. 717 00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:01,935 What's the car color? 718 00:40:02,002 --> 00:40:08,776 He said, oh, he's driving a two-tone gray Crown Regal. 719 00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:12,012 And I said, well, tell me a little bit more, come on. 720 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,483 And he tells me, he's known by Fax, and he's known by G. 721 00:40:22,256 --> 00:40:24,558 But you gotta be careful. 722 00:40:24,625 --> 00:40:26,827 He hangs out in 7th and Tioga. 723 00:40:26,893 --> 00:40:28,462 He deals drugs. 724 00:40:28,528 --> 00:40:31,565 And he also has a drug corner a block down 725 00:40:31,632 --> 00:40:34,401 on 6th Street and Westmoreland, 726 00:40:34,468 --> 00:40:38,104 a few blocks away from where RJ was shot. 727 00:40:38,171 --> 00:40:42,209 It gave me hope that I would be able to give some more 728 00:40:42,275 --> 00:40:44,544 detailed information to the police 729 00:40:44,611 --> 00:40:46,613 for them to make an arrest. 730 00:40:50,651 --> 00:40:55,856 We're actually approaching the area where the killer 731 00:40:55,923 --> 00:40:57,524 had his drug corner. 732 00:40:57,591 --> 00:41:00,827 He ran this drug corner here in this corner right here. 733 00:41:00,894 --> 00:41:02,429 We're on 6th and Allegheny now. 734 00:41:02,496 --> 00:41:07,168 This is a very high drug trafficking dangerous place 735 00:41:07,234 --> 00:41:08,602 to be in the evenings. 736 00:41:11,571 --> 00:41:15,375 I went by myself to look for the car. 737 00:41:15,442 --> 00:41:17,477 And I just looked and looked and see 738 00:41:17,544 --> 00:41:21,381 if anybody with that build or with that curly hair 739 00:41:21,448 --> 00:41:24,451 and the beard was selling drugs at that location. 740 00:41:28,189 --> 00:41:30,157 As I'm getting to the next corner 741 00:41:30,223 --> 00:41:31,692 of the end of the street, 742 00:41:31,759 --> 00:41:34,361 there's a group of people that knew RJ. 743 00:41:34,428 --> 00:41:36,964 And one individual comes and tells me, 744 00:41:37,031 --> 00:41:39,900 the killer hangs out at a motorcycle club 745 00:41:39,967 --> 00:41:41,735 in 5th and Westmoreland. 746 00:41:52,512 --> 00:41:55,883 I organize a National Day of Remembrance for murder victims 747 00:41:55,949 --> 00:41:58,051 right there on that corner. 748 00:41:58,118 --> 00:42:00,854 So we had many families that came, 749 00:42:00,921 --> 00:42:03,056 and they brought their loved ones' belongings, 750 00:42:03,123 --> 00:42:04,591 pictures of their loved ones. 751 00:42:04,658 --> 00:42:06,494 If they were unsolved cases, I asked them to bring 752 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,264 reward signs, flyers to distribute. 753 00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:13,934 - We had dealers, um, who own most of the block, um, 754 00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:16,036 the surrounding blocks around it. 755 00:42:16,102 --> 00:42:18,238 So it was very dangerous. 756 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,310 - If the killer was in this area, 757 00:42:23,377 --> 00:42:28,983 I wanted him to know that I was a mother on a mission. 758 00:42:29,049 --> 00:42:30,784 And I wanted justice. 759 00:42:32,853 --> 00:42:35,656 When I heard that his name was G or Fax, 760 00:42:35,722 --> 00:42:37,925 I gave that information to detectives. 761 00:42:37,991 --> 00:42:39,659 When they told me that he was a drug dealer, 762 00:42:39,726 --> 00:42:41,462 I gave that information to them. 763 00:42:41,528 --> 00:42:43,530 When they told me he hung out at the motorcycle club 764 00:42:43,597 --> 00:42:47,367 in 5th and Westmoreland, I gave that information. 765 00:42:47,434 --> 00:42:49,436 All of this information I have gathered, 766 00:42:49,503 --> 00:42:53,040 the detectives are not giving me any feedback. 767 00:42:53,107 --> 00:42:55,709 I felt that the investigation wasn't rolling fast enough. 768 00:42:55,776 --> 00:42:59,079 They weren't getting anyone in custody. 769 00:42:59,146 --> 00:43:00,680 - It was a lot of frustration. 770 00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:05,753 It was anger, questions. 771 00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:09,790 But why the police aren't doing anything. 772 00:43:09,857 --> 00:43:11,558 But it made her stronger, 773 00:43:11,625 --> 00:43:13,793 and it made her wanna fight even more. 774 00:43:15,696 --> 00:43:17,130 She was desperate. 775 00:43:17,197 --> 00:43:20,367 She was begging, really, begging reporters 776 00:43:20,433 --> 00:43:22,669 to please tell her story. 777 00:43:22,736 --> 00:43:25,906 I hoped that when I wrote about Lisa, 778 00:43:25,972 --> 00:43:28,809 people would understand that this mother is not going away, 779 00:43:28,875 --> 00:43:30,377 that I have her back. 780 00:43:30,443 --> 00:43:33,614 I'm also not going away until someone could help her 781 00:43:33,681 --> 00:43:35,782 solve RJ's murder. 782 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:42,122 I appear on the cover 783 00:43:42,189 --> 00:43:44,691 of "The Philadelphia Inquirer." 784 00:43:44,758 --> 00:43:48,928 Helen Ubinas does an article, "Mother on a mission." 785 00:43:48,995 --> 00:43:51,231 Now it's on the front page. 786 00:43:51,298 --> 00:43:55,102 The pressure was on the cops. 787 00:43:55,169 --> 00:43:57,938 The story's getting heard. 788 00:43:58,005 --> 00:44:02,009 Philadelphia Police Homicide Unit is gonna move. 789 00:44:02,076 --> 00:44:04,778 There's something has to happen. 790 00:44:04,845 --> 00:44:06,180 Went to work. 791 00:44:06,246 --> 00:44:09,416 5:00 I get a call. 792 00:44:09,483 --> 00:44:12,519 Raymond's case has been given to the Special Task Force. 793 00:44:12,586 --> 00:44:14,755 Now there's five detectives on the case. 794 00:44:14,822 --> 00:44:16,590 We're gonna be working on it. 795 00:44:22,463 --> 00:44:24,164 Things started to develop very rapidly. 796 00:44:25,966 --> 00:44:27,534 Our real-time crime center 797 00:44:27,601 --> 00:44:29,503 received an anonymous phone call 798 00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:32,873 from an individual who had information 799 00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:34,841 related to RJ's killing. 800 00:44:34,908 --> 00:44:39,012 And that ignited a whole new lead in the investigation. 801 00:44:47,488 --> 00:44:50,156 That led us to Giovanny Perales. 802 00:44:52,526 --> 00:44:55,396 Once we learned Giovanny Perales was a suspect, 803 00:44:55,462 --> 00:44:59,265 we were able to piece together his cell phone records, 804 00:44:59,332 --> 00:45:01,801 which showed he was hitting off of cell towers 805 00:45:01,868 --> 00:45:04,371 right at the area of the crime. 806 00:45:04,438 --> 00:45:07,408 And you could see he was traveling away 807 00:45:07,475 --> 00:45:09,443 from the crime scene and then hitting off 808 00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:11,544 of a different cell phone tower 809 00:45:11,611 --> 00:45:13,580 in the area of where we knew 810 00:45:13,647 --> 00:45:16,550 he had an address, where he lived. 811 00:45:16,616 --> 00:45:20,454 Without Lisa's work through the papers, through the media, 812 00:45:20,521 --> 00:45:23,256 TV stations, and keeping it on the forefront 813 00:45:23,323 --> 00:45:25,592 of everybody's brains, 814 00:45:25,659 --> 00:45:28,762 we may not have ever received that anonymous phone call. 815 00:45:38,305 --> 00:45:42,809 The detectives sent me a text. 816 00:45:42,876 --> 00:45:48,549 And they say, we're on our way to charge a suspect. 817 00:45:48,615 --> 00:45:50,751 And I'm like, oh, my God, they're going, they're going, 818 00:45:50,817 --> 00:45:52,486 they're going to get this person. 819 00:45:54,188 --> 00:45:55,823 He was staying at a home 820 00:45:55,890 --> 00:45:58,492 not far from where the murder took place. 821 00:46:02,195 --> 00:46:04,331 Detectives prepared a search warrant. 822 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,136 And Giovanny Perales was taken into custody. 823 00:46:14,107 --> 00:46:17,244 And then about two hours later, I get a text. 824 00:46:17,311 --> 00:46:20,647 It says, "The suspect is in custody 825 00:46:20,714 --> 00:46:22,949 and has been officially charged." 826 00:46:23,016 --> 00:46:26,086 And at that point... 827 00:46:26,153 --> 00:46:29,757 I let out such a scream. 828 00:46:29,823 --> 00:46:34,495 It was just like, "Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!" 829 00:46:34,561 --> 00:46:36,863 It felt so good. 830 00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:41,335 And that was liberating. 831 00:46:41,402 --> 00:46:45,072 - She said, Christopher, they got him, they got him. 832 00:46:45,139 --> 00:46:47,040 It's over. 833 00:46:47,107 --> 00:46:51,745 It was a relief that my mom can now 834 00:46:51,812 --> 00:46:54,515 finally start grieving. 835 00:46:56,183 --> 00:46:58,085 The fact that this one mom 836 00:46:58,152 --> 00:46:59,720 was able to get some answers, 837 00:46:59,786 --> 00:47:01,521 some accountability, some justice, 838 00:47:01,588 --> 00:47:05,259 wasn't just something for Lisa. 839 00:47:05,326 --> 00:47:08,428 Suddenly I thought, there's a reason why you 840 00:47:08,495 --> 00:47:10,097 keep writing these columns. 841 00:47:10,164 --> 00:47:11,899 It's not a waste of time. 842 00:47:11,966 --> 00:47:13,834 Something could happen. 843 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:15,769 Something did happen. 844 00:47:15,836 --> 00:47:17,371 - I remember I was excited, 845 00:47:17,438 --> 00:47:20,474 but I still wasn't content 846 00:47:20,541 --> 00:47:24,044 until we heard what that final verdict was going to be. 847 00:47:29,182 --> 00:47:32,252 It's the preliminary hearing day. 848 00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:36,257 We're sitting there, they bring out RJ's murderer. 849 00:47:39,426 --> 00:47:41,495 I sat in the front. I wanted him to see me. 850 00:47:41,562 --> 00:47:44,431 Because I knew he knew me already. 851 00:47:44,498 --> 00:47:47,534 They said his name, Giovanny Perales. 852 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,638 He was known in the streets for G. 853 00:47:51,705 --> 00:47:54,441 Giovanny Perales pleaded guilty. 854 00:47:54,508 --> 00:47:57,477 He chose not to say anything. 855 00:47:57,544 --> 00:48:01,048 So I never got a response from him. 856 00:48:01,115 --> 00:48:04,518 He came across as having no remorse at all. 857 00:48:20,133 --> 00:48:23,070 I miss RJ's presence, 858 00:48:23,137 --> 00:48:25,940 his laughter. 859 00:48:26,006 --> 00:48:27,942 I miss my little brother. 860 00:48:28,008 --> 00:48:29,209 Um... 861 00:48:31,645 --> 00:48:33,280 Can't get one back. 862 00:48:33,347 --> 00:48:35,015 Don't want one back. 863 00:48:35,082 --> 00:48:37,084 Don't need another one. 864 00:48:37,151 --> 00:48:43,257 Um, but I think his aura 865 00:48:43,323 --> 00:48:46,059 is primarily what I miss from him. 866 00:48:47,861 --> 00:48:50,063 - This quilt has the clothes he was wearing 867 00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:51,498 the day that he was murdered. 868 00:48:51,564 --> 00:48:54,701 The little hole in the middle of the flower 869 00:48:54,768 --> 00:48:58,238 is actually where the bullet pierced his chest. 870 00:48:58,305 --> 00:49:01,075 At times, I just wanna feel his warmth and his hug, 871 00:49:01,141 --> 00:49:02,976 so I put it around me. 872 00:49:03,043 --> 00:49:05,712 And the warmth of the blanket, I just close my eyes 873 00:49:05,779 --> 00:49:09,683 and feel like it's him just holding me. 874 00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:12,786 - I just keep the good memories that I have with him. 875 00:49:12,853 --> 00:49:14,889 There were a lot of them, there were a lot of them. 876 00:49:14,955 --> 00:49:19,192 What I miss most about RJ is his smile and personality. 877 00:49:24,398 --> 00:49:28,335 So in aiming to find RJ's murderer, 878 00:49:28,401 --> 00:49:30,171 a ripple effect happened. 879 00:49:30,237 --> 00:49:32,506 You're looking live at a rally in Fairmount Park. 880 00:49:32,572 --> 00:49:34,474 It's all part of National Gun Violence 881 00:49:34,541 --> 00:49:36,643 Awareness Wear Orange Day. 882 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:39,413 This comes as violence in our area is up. 883 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,316 I wanted to work with families of unsolved cases, 884 00:49:42,383 --> 00:49:45,486 so my protesters didn't stop. 885 00:49:45,552 --> 00:49:49,856 I was determined that I had to live again for RJ. 886 00:49:49,923 --> 00:49:53,527 So now I honor his memory. 887 00:49:53,594 --> 00:49:56,730 I tell my story, my survivor story, 888 00:49:56,796 --> 00:50:00,767 that gun violence is real and it could touch your home. 889 00:50:01,935 --> 00:50:06,807 We all are bonded by our grief and by our loss. 890 00:50:06,874 --> 00:50:11,679 But life continues, and if the shoe was on the other foot 891 00:50:11,745 --> 00:50:14,749 and it was me that had been murdered, 892 00:50:14,815 --> 00:50:18,552 I would want my family to live the life I couldn't live. 68673

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