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AMANPOUR:
I last visited Shanghai in 1978,
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when China was truly Communist
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and love was reserved
for the revolution.
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Sex was strictly controlled.
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Conformity was the opiate
of the masses.
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[ Dynamic chime music plays ]
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[ Flourishing music plays ]
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Today, it's another universe.
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Communism meets capitalism.
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Attitudes to love and sex
are shifting.
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But as with everything here...
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...it's complicated.
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MAN:
In China, getting married
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is the most important event
in a person's life.
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[ Dynamic electronic music
plays ]
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[ Camera shutter clicks ]
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[ People speaking
native language ]
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WOMAN:
In Chinese tradition
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you take wedding photos
before the wedding day.
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[ Camera shutter clicking ]
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AMANPOUR:
In Shanghai,
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lavish photo studios
provide costume designers,
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makeup artists, photographers,
and fairy-tale sets
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to help turn every couple's
fantasy into reality.
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We have six sets
of costumes today.
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We're going to share these
photos with family and friends
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on our wedding day.
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They will consider our wedding
and our marriage
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as heavenly beautiful.
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AMANPOUR: For some couples,
this photo shoot
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will be the biggest luxury
of their lives.
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Both of us are from rural areas
of China.
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We won't be holding a wedding
celebration in a hotel.
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For us migrant workers,
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we need long-term savings
in order to do that.
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That's why we decided to take
professional wedding photos
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for remembrance.
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AMANPOUR: For years, marriage
and relationships here
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have been controlled
by three sacred pillars --
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family, tradition, and state.
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I'm curious to find out
to what extent
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people are taking back control
of their relationships,
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their love,
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their desire,
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and their sexuality.
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[ Dynamic chime music play ]
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[ Electronic music plays ]
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DONG: In our country,
on the Internet, you cannot show
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any exposed body part
like nipples or genitals.
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However, I think there is
a demand for this kind of art.
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[ Exotic ambient music plays ]
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AMANPOUR: Wanimal is an artist
who dares to dance
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on the edge of self-expression
and censorship,
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undaunted by China's
conservative values.
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[ Soft piano music plays ]
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DONG: My father, when he
was young, was a painter.
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He would paint naked women.
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I grew up in this type
of environment from a young age.
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-So this is normal for you?
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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AMANPOUR: The models
in Wanimal's photographs
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are always nude,
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and his provocative images
explore varying forms
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of sexual identity and intimacy.
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This bit looks kind of sweet.
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So you don't mind doing this
for the world to see?
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I feel very shy, but happy
doing this together with him.
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Shy but happy to be with him.
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After the shoot,
I sat down to chat with Wanimal
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and two of his muses --
wife Xiang and model Blair.
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I'd asked your two models
whether they were in love,
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and they said yes,
that they're partners.
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Why is it important for you,
intimacy?
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Because two people together
should be intimate.
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If there's a distance,
it just doesn't look good.
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It's not like I shoot with the
intention of making pornography.
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I just like the look of people
merging together as one.
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So what do you think about
posing nude for your husband
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and for the world?
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I think that being naked
is the most beautiful,
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most natural state of the body.
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And furthermore,
this photography
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is incredibly beautiful
and artistic.
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Let me ask you, Blair.
Are any of these you?
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One of these is you, no?
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-BLAIR: Yeah, this is me.
-AMANPOUR: This is you.
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You love doing
this kind of modeling?
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Yeah, because I think
female body's definitely art.
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What about your own parents?
Did they --
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-They don't know.
-They haven't seen this book?
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No, never.
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-And I'm never gonna tell them.
-[ Laughs ]
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Why?
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Well, because China have
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a really, like, conservative,
like, history, right?
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And all the womens are just
very mentally restricted.
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My parents, they're, like, just
really, really conservative.
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And they think,
like, your body's
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not for you to show
other people,
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and you cannot have sex
before marriage,
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and I don't think I will
ever change their mind.
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AMANPOUR: What are you
looking for in a partner?
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What do you want from a guy?
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I mean, first,
he has to be handsome,
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or you just cannot have sex
with him, you know?
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And, uh, I think size
really matter, too.
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-Size really matters?
-Yeah. [ Laughs ]
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You mean tall?
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-No, I mean the...
-Penis.
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-[ Laughs ]
-Yeah.
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I mean, what you were
thinking it is, yeah. [ Laughs ]
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AMANPOUR:
All right.
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I can see you two,
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very intimate,
and you work together.
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Does this work
help your sex life?
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In reality, we're working.
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And it's a really arduous
work process.
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If we want it,
then we'll have sex.
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If not, then we won't.
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I think in our sex life
I'm very much the initiator.
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She initiates sex
more than I do.
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-Ah. Interesting.
-Yeah, in the sexual --
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So you take a lot of initiative?
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Yes.
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[ Laughter ]
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[ Both speaking
native language ]
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It's great.
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[laughter]
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Sex is important.
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I think a married couple
who doesn't have sex
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cannot be considered
a normal couple.
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I don't agree with him.
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Video games are enough, right?
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A physical relationship
is very important to me.
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Humans can't live without
a physical relationship, right?
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Human's nature at birth
is good...
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Stop talking.
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Can I skip this question?
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[ Laughs ]
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[ Soft, revitalizing music
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[ Singing in native language ]
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-XING: Perfect day.
-AMANPOUR: Perfect day.
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It's a great, beautiful park.
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Lots of people out
doing their own thing.
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A whole village
is following us, Jin.
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-And that's because of you.
-[ Laughs ]
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You are an incredibly
popular person.
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How many people watch
your show every week?
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Every Wednesday night,
I think all over the world
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we have 150 million
Chinese people.
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-150 million?
-Million, yes.
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[ Upbeat music plays ]
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AMANPOUR: Already renowned
as a dancer and choreographer,
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Jin Xing shot to superstardom
as a TV personality.
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One of the many immensely
popular programs she hosts
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is a dating show with a twist,
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where it's the parents
who get to choose dates
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for their children.
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How important is it
in Chinese culture and tradition
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-for the parents...
-Mm.
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...to actually see
their children married,
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to make their children
have a happy match?
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For Chinese people,
the idea of a happy family
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is four generations
under one roof.
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The parents in China
also retire earlier.
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After they're retired
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they want to be grandparents
as soon as possible.
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AMANPOUR:
According to Jin Xing,
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marriage in China
is still a family affair,
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and a weekly gathering
in this park shows
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just what lengths
parents will go to
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to find a good match
for their child.
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-Oh, look, here we are.
-XING: Look. Look at this.
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-AMANPOUR: Whoa, what is this?
-XING: Look. Do you see this?
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Do you see they put
the umbrellas here?
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-Yeah.
-This one say that girl...
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-Okay, what does this one say?
-A girl.
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-'87. Born in 1987.
-Right?
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Height -- one meter, 67.
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And they're working for
the government company.
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Every month, income 10,000.
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AMANPOUR:
This is a marriage market.
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The idea is
a Shanghai phenomenon
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that's now spread across China,
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where parents gather in the park
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to advertise not goods,
but their children.
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So, all these elderly, well,
you know, middle-aged people...
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-XING: Yeah.
-...they are here
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trying to snare a match
for their child?
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For their children.
Yes, yes, exactly.
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AMANPOUR:
Flyers are pinned to umbrellas,
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detailing each child's
best selling points --
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job, income, education.
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XING:
Look at this one.
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"Ms. Liu, born in 1984."
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-Yeah.
-"Not married.
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1 meter, 60, height.
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And after graduation, working
for the foreign company."
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-Okay.
-And she has her own apartment.
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[ Gasps ] That's major,
to have her own apartment.
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Exactly, a girl.
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And her request is,
"Must be Shanghainese."
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-Right.
-XING: "And must have apartment
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and the same kind of education
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and must be only
five years above her."
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Whoa, I mean, that's pretty...
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-Precise. [ Laughs ]
-...pretty precise.
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So, she wants
an educated Shanghainese
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-who's five years older...
-Older.
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...and specifically
10 centimeters higher than her.
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Do the young people know that
their parents are doing this?
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80%, they have no idea.
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Most of the young kids,
they feel ashamed.
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-Do they?
-They say,
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"I need to find
my own love by myself."
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No matter.
Doesn't stop the parents.
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The marriage is not like
two young people's issue.
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-It's a family issue.
-Wow, it is incredible, really.
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And also looking for the reward.
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Yeah. What reward?
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After I'm getting old,
you have to look after me.
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Ah.
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-That's what it's all about.
-Nothing for free. [ Laughs ]
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Nothing for --
No -- No free lunch.
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-Exactly.
-No free marriage.
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Exactly, exactly.
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♪ Ooh ♪
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♪ Ooh ♪
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KING:
In traditional Chinese culture
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all parents have intense
expectations for their children.
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It's a big pressure
that's put on us.
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My name is Aaron King.
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I am conductor and composer
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from the Rainbow
Chamber Singers.
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♪ Ah ♪
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♪ Ah ♪
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[ Speaking native language ]
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AMANPOUR:
The choir became famous
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for its original compositions,
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which blend traditional music
with humorous lyrics.
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One of their biggest hits
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highlights the parental pressure
that young people face
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when it comes to
their love lives.
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[ Speaks native language ]
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♪ Any dates lately? ♪
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♪ Nope ♪
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♪ Anyone you like at all? ♪
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♪ Way out of my league ♪
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KING: Filial obedience is the
most important character trait.
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We have to work together
with our parents.
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We have to listen
to their advice.
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♪ Great! Why don't you
go on this date ♪
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♪ I set up for you tomorrow? ♪
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♪ And it's about time
you lose a few pounds too! ♪
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♪ Just skip this meal! ♪
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This song illustrates
that issue.
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♪ It's all for your own good! ♪
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♪ It's all for your own good! ♪
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♪ You have really
let your parents down! ♪
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♪ It's all for your own good! ♪
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When we sing, everyone
really resonates with it.
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The boys will get
really emotional
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and the girls all feel like
the song is about them.
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♪ The dreams
of the entire family ♪
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♪ Weighing down
on my shoulders ♪
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♪ Become a CEO a month
after graduation ♪
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♪ Blind date, get married,
and make babies ♪
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♪ Twins? Even better! ♪
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What young people
desire the most
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is for adults in their lives
to understand their intentions.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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AMANPOUR: Shanghainese women
have a reputation
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for being ambitious, successful,
and uncompromising.
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WOMAN:
The reason I came to Shanghai
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it's all about my career.
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To find the right long-term
relationship partner for me
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is very similar
to find the right CEO
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or manager in the firm.
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Love is actually a science.
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You have to learn the theory,
then you have to practice.
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For my mom,
my dad is her first love.
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This story for me is insane.
[ Laughs ]
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I would never marry someone
who is my first love.
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Without practicing,
how can we find the right one?
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[ Laughs ]
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AMANPOUR: Young people here
are determined to get ahead,
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believing that
with enough practice,
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anything can be learned.
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And yet, when it comes
to their love lives,
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many are absolute beginners.
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DI: Traditionally,
we are a reserved people.
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In our Chinese culture,
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a human being should control
his emotion,
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control his sexual desire.
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Anyone want to join us?
This is a fun game.
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I received the same education.
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But I'm just not a "good" girl.
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AMANPOUR: In China,
unmarried women over 27
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are unflatteringly
known as "sheng nu,"
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meaning "leftovers,"
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while unmarried men
are "guangun,"
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meaning "bare branches."
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DI:
Get ready for the flowers.
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Let's see who will be
the next lucky bride.
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AMANPOUR: Wu Di aims to dispel
the stigma surrounding sheng nu
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and help these young singletons.
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DI:
The mission of my date camp is
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change your definition
of relationships and marriage.
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Introduce new vocabulary to them
such as
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emotion, intimacy, sex pleasure,
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body contact.
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We're also going to
watch a video.
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Twenty minutes of a video
on how to have sex
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from foreplay to finish.
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[ Laughter ]
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AMANPOUR: Her date camp takes
the form of weekly seminars,
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counseling and private tutoring
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in everything from how to flirt
to how to dress for a date.
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I joined the dating guru
for a tutoring session
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at a local boutique
with a couple of her students --
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27-year-old Eve
and 32-year-old Stella.
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Have you ever dated?
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Yes, but [Sighs]
most of time, after first date,
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the boys will not
contact with me...
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-Again? [ Gasps ]
-...again, yes.
325
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After the first date,
you've never had another call?
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Yes, I think maybe
there's something wrong
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with myself some--
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No, nothing wrong with you.
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Today's mission is
we want to find
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a beautiful dress for a date.
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What's attractive
is bright color.
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So, you think I have a good
chance of getting a date?
333
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Yeah, yeah.
Little V-neck.
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AMANPOUR:
I could open it more.
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-[ Laughs ]
-Unbutton the --
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-There you go.
-No, no, no, no, no.
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-No?
-It's too deep.
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-Too much?
-This is too much?
339
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Your face, I mean,
you look horrified.
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-Really? I don't know.
-[ Laughter ]
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It's just a little button.
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-We are good girls.
-You're good girls?
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Yeah, we are good girls.
344
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I'm trying to train them
to be bad girls.
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-Bad girls?
-Bad girls, yes.
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AMANPOUR:
Well, I'm a little bit shocked.
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They not only look younger,
they act young.
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Yes, yes. They don't look like
the adult women, right?
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But they are well-educated.
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They work for
the multinational company,
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have very decent pay.
352
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,520
-Really?
-Yes.
353
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They're very naive.
354
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Unfortunately, yes.
355
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-Oh, look, here they come.
-Yeah.
356
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Wow! [ Laughs ]
[ Speaks native language ]
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Wow!
That's gorgeous.
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AMANPOUR:
I want to ask you girls,
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do you think about romantic
and love satisfaction?
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Do you feel you're
missing something?
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Yes. Yes.
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Everyone told us
study very hard,
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to go to a very good university,
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to get a very good job,
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but no one tell us
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how to have a very good
intimate relationship
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with the boys.
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How did you grow up?
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What did you see
between your parents?
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-Just normal family...
-Hugging, kissing,
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-did you see any of that?
-No, no, no, no, no, never.
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You didn't even get kisses
from your parents?
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Never, never.
374
00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:21,740
-No hug? No kiss?
-No hug and no kiss.
375
00:20:21,740 --> 00:20:25,030
I sometimes feel very nervous
to have the body touched.
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00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:27,120
-The body contact.
-Yeah.
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00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,830
Have you ever had sex?
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-Are you a virgin?
-Yeah.
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-AMANPOUR: You're a virgin?
-Yeah.
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So that's the lesson we learned
from the parents, right?
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"Don't let him think
you are an easy girl.
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Don't have sex with him
before the engagement.
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Otherwise, he will treat you
as a bitch." Yeah.
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AMANPOUR: The thought
that these two young women
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had never been hugged or kissed
was heartbreaking.
386
00:20:54,140 --> 00:20:56,350
But I was encouraged
to see that Wu Di
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was trying to teach her students
a whole new set of rules.
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DI: Emotion is a new vocabulary
for today's Chinese.
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Intimacy, body contact, kiss...
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For example, sex.
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Can women have sex
only for pleasure?
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Well, that's a serious question.
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I really want to help them
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to have a big vision
of this world.
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[ Laid-back electronic music
plays ]
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WOMAN: The family concept
that I had since childhood,
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falling in love,
getting married,
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have a baby, happily ever after,
399
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,870
is completely different
to where I'm now.
400
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:53,040
[ Engine idling ]
401
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,290
I actually had
my first marriage,
402
00:21:57,290 --> 00:21:59,880
and now I am on
the fourth marriage.
403
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,010
And then I have two kids
from two different fathers.
404
00:22:03,010 --> 00:22:06,630
And also,
continuously living the way
405
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:09,140
that it's not
a traditional family life.
406
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:14,100
Motherhood is something
very new for me,
407
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:18,060
because I didn't feel I've
learned enough from my parents.
408
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:23,030
They never come and cuddle me,
say, "I love you."
409
00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:28,240
Expression of love is very
limited in most Chinese family.
410
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:33,080
So with my kids, I try to be
very open, you know.
411
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,410
I try to show them maximum,
my unconditional love.
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00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:39,750
With my daughter,
I want to give her the comfort
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00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:42,500
that she can talk to me
about anything.
414
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:44,800
Whenever she feel,
like, really down,
415
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,880
she says, "Oh, my God, I feel...
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if I lose this boyfriend,
I will never find any man."
417
00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:51,850
I say, "Don't worry.
Look at me.
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00:22:51,850 --> 00:22:54,390
I had one, two, three, four,
you know." [ Laughs ]
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00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:57,850
If it's not yours,
it's not going to be there,
420
00:22:57,850 --> 00:23:00,690
and if it's yours,
it will stay with you forever.
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00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:06,650
[ Light synth music plays ]
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00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:09,280
AMANPOUR: When I first came
to Shanghai in the '70s,
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individuality was unthinkable.
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00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:16,080
All these years later,
425
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,620
I find the city is
full of self-expression.
426
00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:25,840
Women have reclaimed
control of their appearance,
427
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,880
their sexuality,
and how they use it.
428
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,300
[ Electronic music plays ]
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00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,310
Hello, I'm Petite Sweet Cake
and I'm a live streamer.
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00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,900
As a live streamer
431
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:51,820
you make people happy by singing
and dancing for them
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00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:53,620
and talking with them.
433
00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:55,530
You become their friend.
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00:23:55,530 --> 00:23:56,950
Their online friend.
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00:23:57,910 --> 00:23:59,960
AMANPOUR: In the world's
most populous city,
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where social dynamics
are always changing
437
00:24:03,130 --> 00:24:05,880
and urban isolation is growing,
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00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,920
many people retreat online
for a personal connection.
439
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,180
PETITE SWEET CAKE: From the
moment I start my computer
440
00:24:13,180 --> 00:24:14,340
and log on
441
00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:16,470
I see they're waiting for me.
442
00:24:16,510 --> 00:24:18,220
Waiting for me.
443
00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:23,100
Hello.
444
00:24:23,770 --> 00:24:26,110
Hello. Welcome.
445
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:27,770
[ Laughs ]
446
00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:30,530
[ Smooches ]
447
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,450
[ Chiming ]
448
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,160
Please click to subscribe.
449
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:40,950
Click, click, click!
450
00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:45,750
Most of my fans are male.
451
00:24:46,790 --> 00:24:48,840
Some of them just like me
as a friend.
452
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,710
But others are interested in me
romantically.
453
00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:55,760
They all love me.
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00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:59,100
AMANPOUR: But Petite Sweet Cake
isn't just live-streaming
455
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,680
for the love of her fans.
456
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,890
For me, live streaming
is a full-time job.
457
00:25:04,890 --> 00:25:06,270
It's my career.
458
00:25:06,860 --> 00:25:08,480
Another 300 hearts.
459
00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:13,030
AMANPOUR: These live streams
can be very lucrative.
460
00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:18,450
Her fans show their appreciation
by buying her virtual gifts,
461
00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:22,250
which translate into hard cash
for Petite Sweet Cake.
462
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:26,880
Last year alone,
she earned over $300,000.
463
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,340
Thank you for the roses.
464
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:32,090
1,314 treasure boxes?
465
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:37,840
Wow...Thank you!
466
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,890
It's just a way for them
to express their love.
467
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:48,270
I'm gonna spin the turntable
and see what we get today.
468
00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:50,940
After becoming a live streamer
469
00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:54,990
your personal life
will definitely be affected.
470
00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:56,740
Push-ups.
471
00:25:57,410 --> 00:26:02,120
Friends in real life
grow more and more distant.
472
00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:06,620
I'm gonna start
with the first one.
473
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,090
I am really bad at it.
474
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:12,590
[ Grunting, clears throat ]
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00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:15,420
[ Grunts, laughs ]
476
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,300
[ Grunts ]
477
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:21,800
You shouldn't have a boyfriend
because most
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00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,430
of your time should be dedicated
to your work.
479
00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:27,270
And I really love my work.
480
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,320
But if I meet my true love
during this time
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00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,030
I'm willing to take a break
for him.
482
00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:38,030
♪ I got the fever, baby ♪
483
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:42,200
[ Dynamic synth music plays ]
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00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,080
FENG: The big shift in China
is knowledge.
485
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,790
Now women start realizing
486
00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:51,080
what social norms
are available to them
487
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,710
that weren't available
to them before.
488
00:26:53,710 --> 00:26:56,970
Women do have a right
to earn their own happiness.
489
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,100
AMANPOUR:
For a bit of R&R,
490
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,100
I've met up with
a well-known voice
491
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,350
in the Chinese music industry.
492
00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:14,440
In China, before,
sex was perceived
493
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,150
as not something
you ever talk about in public,
494
00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:19,990
and, um, it is still
495
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:21,910
not talked about
amongst people so much--
496
00:27:21,910 --> 00:27:24,030
-Polite company.
-Yes.
497
00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:26,040
AMANPOUR:
But Helen has never been one
498
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,120
to shy away from
an awkward conversation.
499
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,920
And she's perhaps best known
as the frontwoman
500
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,340
of sexy and provocative
indie rock band Nova Heart.
501
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:39,670
One of your videos,
one of your songs,
502
00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:41,090
"Beautiful Boys,"
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00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:43,850
is all about the idea
of sex workers, right?
504
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:44,970
FENG: Yes.
505
00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:48,020
♪ We came this far for money ♪
506
00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:50,270
I wanted to have
a conversation about
507
00:27:50,270 --> 00:27:52,100
these different roles in society
508
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:54,690
that we consider roles
in the sex trade.
509
00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:57,280
♪ When they're rolling down
the windows ♪
510
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,280
You have, like,
the streetwalker...
511
00:28:01,570 --> 00:28:03,110
...massage parlor.
512
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:06,780
♪ Glisten all night,
glisten all night ♪
513
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,870
You have, like, the KTV girl.
514
00:28:12,540 --> 00:28:14,750
And we portray the character
as honestly as we can.
515
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:24,300
And then at the end of it,
we reveal that it's a man.
516
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:30,060
And we show that it's actually
a loving man with a family.
517
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,520
I thought it was
a pretty cool project
518
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,360
because of the debate
it stirred up.
519
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:37,940
Some people said,
"Oh, this is disgusting,"
520
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:39,320
et cetera, et cetera.
521
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,070
Certain people were saying,
"I was crying.
522
00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:42,570
Look what this poor man
had to do
523
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:44,160
in order to feed his family."
524
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,160
But one of the things
that really kind of got me
525
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,580
was that until
they realized it was a man,
526
00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:50,450
"Oh, it's just
another sex worker."
527
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:54,620
So, the whole sex-worker trade
has been very, very prevalent.
528
00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:56,960
Has been.
Definitely going down now.
529
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,130
Why do you think that is?
530
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:59,750
It's just a different
generation.
531
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:04,510
Society no longer sees it
as being kosher.
532
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:06,640
Secondly,
there's been a crackdown
533
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,850
on the sex trade in general,
534
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:09,180
so the availability
has gone down.
535
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:10,810
Third, it's economics.
536
00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:14,440
As women become the primary
educated group in China...
537
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,190
-Which is remarkable.
-Yeah, it is.
538
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:18,480
-In a very short period of time.
-Very short period of time.
539
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,400
They're not gonna
choose this option.
540
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,990
People don't know
what they can do
541
00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:28,030
until they've been shown
that it's possible.
542
00:29:28,030 --> 00:29:30,330
[ Mellow music plays ]
543
00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:35,830
[ Percussive music plays ]
544
00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:42,920
XING:
I love to be onstage.
545
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:46,930
I love dancing.
546
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:53,430
Jin Xing is my given name.
It means Golden Star.
547
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:59,190
I had a very happy childhood
with my parents.
548
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:03,320
But I'm still
a little bit doubting.
549
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,740
Who am I?
Something's different with me.
550
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:11,910
[ Dramatic music plays ]
551
00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:15,750
I cannot live my life
with a mask.
552
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:17,370
I only live once.
553
00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:20,500
I want to be myself.
That's it.
554
00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:25,720
You don't know this woman.
555
00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:34,850
Because biologically
I born as a boy.
556
00:30:35,390 --> 00:30:36,980
AMANPOUR:
So you were a man?
557
00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:38,440
Yes, I was a man.
558
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,940
Up to 6, 7 years old,
559
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:41,610
I know I should be a girl
like my sister.
560
00:30:41,610 --> 00:30:43,400
I have an older sister.
561
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,820
Then I say, "Okay, I should be
like her, but I don't know how.
562
00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:47,570
Where this thinking come from?"
563
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:50,990
Then I just keep this, you know,
little thinking into my heart.
564
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:53,240
And, of course,
after I become a dancer,
565
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,160
I did more and more
discovery of myself.
566
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,660
"I should be a girl."
567
00:30:56,660 --> 00:31:00,290
AMANPOUR: But as
a 9-year-old boy in the 1970s,
568
00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:01,710
Jin Xing was admitted
569
00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:04,590
to the Chinese
People's Liberation Army.
570
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,760
It was only in 1995
571
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,430
that Jin Xing finally
decided to fulfill
572
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:12,300
her innermost ambition.
573
00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:15,430
You transitioned when you were
28 years old, right?
574
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:16,850
Yes, yes.
575
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:19,480
And this was way before
transgender was so open.
576
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,730
Homosexuality was considered
a mental illness.
577
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:25,150
Transgender was
never talked about.
578
00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:27,240
We don't even
think about it in China.
579
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,740
You didn't even have
a name for it.
580
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:30,700
-No, no.
-Was it scary, though?
581
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:32,160
Because, I mean, let's face it,
582
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,870
China wasn't known for
its transgender surgery,
583
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:37,330
for its sexual reassignment.
584
00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:39,160
I mean, did you know
that you would be able
585
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,620
to do this safely here?
586
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:42,210
I was the first case.
587
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,750
I gambling with myself.
588
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:47,210
Once, 50% I leave to the doctor.
589
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:49,590
50% I throw on the sky.
590
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:51,380
Was it difficult physically?
591
00:31:51,380 --> 00:31:53,850
Was it difficult emotionally
when you transitioned?
592
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:55,180
XING:
I'm a dancer.
593
00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:57,520
I can bear a lot
of physical pain.
594
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,140
But I think most difficult
is psychologically.
595
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:04,190
Facing society.
596
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,980
That's new challenge.
597
00:32:07,780 --> 00:32:10,490
But my soul, my body become one.
598
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:12,360
That's what I want.
599
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:17,450
AMANPOUR:
Where does sexuality --
600
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:21,120
How does it fit into
this very traditional culture?
601
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:25,880
I think Chinese culture have
a lot of space for tolerance.
602
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,460
-Really?
-XING: Yeah.
603
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:29,420
But we just don't talk about it.
604
00:32:29,420 --> 00:32:32,090
That's a big thing between
Chinese and the Western.
605
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:35,680
Western love to labelize
everything.
606
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,600
Sometimes in life, certain
things you cannot explain.
607
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,390
Just let it be.
608
00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:41,980
I think I follow my heart.
609
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:44,190
So tell me about
matters of the heart.
610
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:46,230
-You're married...
-XING: Yes.
611
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:47,610
AMANPOUR:
...to a German citizen.
612
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:48,780
XING: Yes.
613
00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:50,690
AMANPOUR:
How did you fall in love?
614
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:53,450
XING: In that time,
he have no idea who I am.
615
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:54,950
He only know I'm a dancer.
616
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:56,240
So I tell all my story.
617
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,910
I was a man.
I was transgender.
618
00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:59,990
"This woman's a huge package."
619
00:32:59,990 --> 00:33:01,870
He complete blow away.
620
00:33:01,870 --> 00:33:03,870
And after the one day,
he come back.
621
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:05,540
"Yes, I still want to date you."
622
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,420
2005, we married.
623
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:12,010
My personal opinion is,
624
00:33:12,010 --> 00:33:13,970
love and marriage
is separate things.
625
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:15,930
-[ Laughs ]
-Maybe Westerners think,
626
00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:18,760
"Because we love so much,
we get married."
627
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,020
But in China, love is love.
628
00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:23,100
Marriage is another issue.
629
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,900
Marriage, I think two people
must be working together.
630
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,900
That's kind of like a job.
631
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:31,480
It is. It is.
632
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,070
Do you have a good sex life?
633
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:35,150
Very good. Very good.
634
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:37,910
My husband once told me,
635
00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:40,580
"Mmm, I'm very happy
I'm still attracted by you."
636
00:33:40,580 --> 00:33:42,240
-I say, "Good."
-[ Laughs ]
637
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,330
"Come on, we are facing a life,
638
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:45,830
so you need to talk."
639
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:47,250
So we're laughing about it.
640
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:50,380
Are there many women,
public women like you,
641
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:52,590
in China who are as sassy,
642
00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:54,840
who are willing
to push the boundaries
643
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,800
and talk as bluntly as you do?
644
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,640
I can tell you, Shanghainese
women are famous for that.
645
00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:01,640
-Wow.
-Wow.
646
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,430
XING: Make your life.
You'll want it.
647
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:05,890
And you'll go for it.
648
00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:07,690
-Cheers.
-Cheers.
649
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:18,740
[ Indistinct conversations ]
650
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,080
WOMAN: Traditional Chinese love
is about sacrifice.
651
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:34,210
In China, happiness is a luxury.
652
00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:36,720
Family is so much
more important.
653
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,180
And happiness is something
not 100% necessary.
654
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:46,770
But I think in order
to know how to love
655
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:49,310
you have to love yourself first.
656
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:51,560
This is what I believe.
657
00:35:01,450 --> 00:35:03,910
What do you love about Angela?
658
00:35:04,410 --> 00:35:07,040
Wow.
Honest.
659
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:09,960
-Honesty.
-Yeah.
660
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,830
Only one?
[ Laughs ]
661
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,430
AMANPOUR: Homosexuality was only
decriminalized here in 1997,
662
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:22,600
but for many gay couples,
the biggest hurdle to overcome
663
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,810
is not the judgment of society,
664
00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:26,980
but the judgment
of their families.
665
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:31,020
You didn't come out
till you were 31?
666
00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:32,440
Yeah.
667
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,270
What was your mother
and your father thinking?
668
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:36,070
-Because in China...
-Right.
669
00:35:36,070 --> 00:35:38,740
...it's kind of odd for a girl
not to be married, right?
670
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:39,990
Oh, I was married.
671
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:41,570
-You were married?
-Yes.
672
00:35:41,570 --> 00:35:46,080
That's very famous
in Chinese homosexual society.
673
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,580
This is a way that
we help each other.
674
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:50,500
A lot of us is doing that.
675
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:51,960
That's a marriage
for convenience.
676
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,710
Just so I'm clear,
you got married
677
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:58,800
in order to kind of divert
your parents' attention?
678
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,130
Right, yeah.
679
00:36:00,130 --> 00:36:02,640
I was under a lot of stress
and pressure
680
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,680
as the only child.
681
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,260
My dad was also
dying at the time.
682
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:09,220
But I knew my parents' wish
683
00:36:09,220 --> 00:36:10,890
was always for me
to get married,
684
00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:13,270
-and, um, going on...
-Have a baby.
685
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:14,980
-That is so hard.
-ANGELA: Yeah.
686
00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:18,820
This marriage was so much more
complicated than I thought.
687
00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:19,990
So, what happened?
688
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:22,490
We've been dating
for four years.
689
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:25,830
I thought, you know, she was
really the love of my life.
690
00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:27,660
I shouldn't,
691
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:30,750
and I couldn't continue
a life with all the lies,
692
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:33,330
so I decided
to end that marriage.
693
00:36:33,330 --> 00:36:34,460
Yeah.
694
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:38,920
All right.
695
00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:44,640
So, what did you
tell your mother?
696
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,930
Well, basically that
I was born like this,
697
00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:49,260
and that it was nobody's fault,
698
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:51,100
and there was
nothing wrong with me.
699
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,560
My own mother should
be able to accept me
700
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,650
-at the end of the day.
-And did she?
701
00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:59,820
-She did, after 4 1/2 years.
-What?
702
00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:03,280
She only came around
and accepted us last year.
703
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,410
-Really?
-Yeah.
704
00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:05,490
Yeah.
705
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,080
AMANPOUR: You two have both
struggled quite mightily
706
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,790
to be in love
and to be together.
707
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,540
How important has your
inner life been to you,
708
00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:19,460
your emotional life,
your sexual satisfaction?
709
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:23,760
I feel quite satisfied on all
levels in our relationship,
710
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,550
emotionally and sexually.
711
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:28,010
And we share the same shoes.
712
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:29,180
[ Laughs ]
713
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:30,890
-ANGELA: Yes.
-I like it.
714
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,060
AMANPOUR:
What would Confucius make
715
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:39,150
of a modern Shanghainese family?
716
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:41,820
[ Machinery hissing ]
717
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,490
Zhang Huan is one of
China's best-known artists.
718
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:51,040
Thank you.
It's so nice to see you.
719
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,210
He invited me
to meet his family...
720
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,380
...wife and fellow artist Junjun
and son Sean.
721
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,390
What is the concept of love
and partnership in China,
722
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:11,060
especially in Shanghai today?
723
00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:14,310
Western people, they always
show love each other,
724
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:16,640
like many movies we see,
you know?
725
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,820
Chinese people actually
not really kiss in public.
726
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:22,940
-Do you guys kiss in public?
-No.
727
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:24,900
-[ Laughter ]
-You're Chinese people.
728
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,530
[ Laughter ]
729
00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:29,120
But we love each other.
730
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,370
That's true.
731
00:38:30,370 --> 00:38:31,700
[ Laughter ]
732
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:34,080
So, when he declares
his love for you,
733
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,370
-what do you think?
-No, I just give a joke.
734
00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:38,330
I said, "Liar, you're a liar."
735
00:38:38,330 --> 00:38:42,210
I always told Junjun,
"I'm not liar.
736
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:46,010
We love more than 25 years,
737
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:47,930
so please believe me."
738
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:49,970
-[ Laughs ]
-"I really love you."
739
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:51,720
Yeah, so he's saying
he hasn't been pretending.
740
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:53,220
[ Laughs ]
Yeah, right.
741
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:54,890
What do you think when you hear
your parents
742
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:56,520
declare that kind
of raw emotion?
743
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,150
I've actually never heard that.
It's the first time.
744
00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:00,940
I mean, they rarely
talk about stuff,
745
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:03,360
I mean, like, the emotional side
of their relationship.
746
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,070
So are you blushing?
747
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:06,740
-No, I'm not. No.
-[ Laughter ]
748
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:10,570
No, but I'm just kind of,
like, confused at this whole...
749
00:39:10,570 --> 00:39:13,740
I think it's the
conventional way in China,
750
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:15,830
is that the child
tend to feel a need
751
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:19,540
to actually keep to themselves
about things like that,
752
00:39:19,540 --> 00:39:20,920
except in my family,
753
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,380
'cause I think we're more open
about things.
754
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:24,590
And what do you share?
755
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:28,260
Any sort of close intimacy
I've had.
756
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:29,260
[ Laughs ]
757
00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:30,680
I tend to just feel happier
758
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,800
if I'm doing well
in that regard.
759
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,180
I'm very happy that
he can talk everything to us.
760
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:37,770
I think I'm very lucky.
761
00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:39,270
That is very lucky, actually,
762
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:41,440
especially to have your son
talk to you as a mom
763
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,900
-about intimate things.
-Right, right.
764
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:44,650
-You don't judge?
-Yeah, yeah.
765
00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:46,650
I think she just
guides us along.
766
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:51,530
My family, the children,
the name, everything,
767
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:52,740
Junjun decide everything.
768
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:53,910
[ Laughter ]
769
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:56,080
She is my boss.
770
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,870
Really.
[ Chuckles ]
771
00:39:57,870 --> 00:40:00,160
I just focus my art.
772
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,750
-This is what you do?
-Yeah, I just focus my art.
773
00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:10,720
I think the most important thing
in my future is that...
774
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,760
Don't cheat on me.
775
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Never cheat on me!
776
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,980
Everyone wants a huge house.
777
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:22,400
I have the same dream.
778
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,190
Travel around the world.
See new places.
779
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:30,400
I would like to have
two children.
780
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,410
And then...
781
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:33,990
one Husky.
782
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:35,700
[ Giggles ]
783
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:37,990
But still,
I want to emphasize this.
784
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:40,500
Never cheat on me.
785
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:44,830
[ Mid-tempo music plays ]
786
00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:48,500
AMANPOUR: Shanghai is a city
that's charging into the future
787
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:52,880
while still devoted
to ancient traditions.
788
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,050
Attitudes to love and sex
789
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:58,930
have certainly come a long way
since the days of Mao.
790
00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:04,730
And while there is
a moral rigidity to society,
791
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:07,360
there's a fluidity
to the people...
792
00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:11,940
...as they navigate
their complex
793
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:14,110
and ever-changing environment,
794
00:41:14,110 --> 00:41:18,620
finding their own paths
to self-expression.
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