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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,650 --> 00:00:07,520 AMANPOUR: Tokyo. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,110 Most know it's a place 3 00:00:09,110 --> 00:00:11,610 where men's desires are fully catered to 4 00:00:11,610 --> 00:00:14,160 and well documented. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,990 I want to know more about how the women here live and love. 6 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:20,120 Ladies, let's talk about sex. 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,120 -Yeah. -[ Laughter ] 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,290 AMANPOUR: Many are choosing to remain single, 9 00:00:24,290 --> 00:00:26,130 and the birthrate is falling. 10 00:00:26,130 --> 00:00:27,630 [ Laughter ] 11 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:29,550 In a city of contradictions, 12 00:00:29,550 --> 00:00:32,920 where do the women find their satisfaction? 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,350 I'm really curious to understand what makes Tokyo tick, 14 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:39,100 but something tells me 15 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:42,020 this city doesn't give up its secrets easily. 16 00:00:42,020 --> 00:00:45,600 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 17 00:01:22,930 --> 00:01:28,650 Thank you for waiting. It's just about to start now. 18 00:01:28,650 --> 00:01:29,900 [ Snaps fingers ] 19 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:32,110 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,400 It feels good. 21 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,570 I don't want anyone to touch me but you. 22 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,160 Promise me, please touch me a lot. 23 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,750 [ Breathing heavily, groaning ] 24 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:48,630 Yura! 25 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:51,540 [ Grunting, squealing ] 26 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:55,470 AMANPOUR: Japan has a legendary love 27 00:01:55,470 --> 00:01:57,300 of modern-day graphic material 28 00:01:57,300 --> 00:02:01,100 that smacks of a strong sexual appetite... 29 00:02:02,430 --> 00:02:04,140 Coming! 30 00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:06,810 AMANPOUR: ...and hopefully plenty of satisfaction. 31 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:09,230 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 32 00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:14,110 Personally, I don't know much about manga comics, 33 00:02:14,110 --> 00:02:15,860 cosplay, anime, 34 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:19,740 or any of the other things I'm told are big in Tokyo. 35 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:22,910 So I've reached out to someone who can give me a crash course 36 00:02:22,910 --> 00:02:24,620 in popular culture. 37 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:26,540 -You're a university professor. -CHOO: Yes. 38 00:02:26,540 --> 00:02:29,460 AMANPOUR: You teach about sex. You teach about culture. 39 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:32,090 I teach Japanese popular culture a lot in my classes. 40 00:02:32,090 --> 00:02:34,300 I teach on anime. I teach on manga. 41 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,130 AMANPOUR: Professor Kukhee Choo teaches cultural studies 42 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:40,430 at Sophia University in Tokyo. 43 00:02:40,430 --> 00:02:44,100 Before I dip into modern-day Tokyo sexual tendencies, 44 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:46,020 I want to go back. 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,770 Okay. We have to stand back for this. 46 00:02:48,770 --> 00:02:53,110 Way back -- to the 17th century and erotic art known as shunga. 47 00:02:53,110 --> 00:02:55,190 AMANPOUR: Almost need a drumroll. 48 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:57,570 These works are still somewhat taboo, 49 00:02:57,570 --> 00:02:59,150 and they're rarely exhibited. 50 00:02:59,150 --> 00:03:02,820 This is a very extravagant scroll from 1675. 51 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:04,530 That is truly beautiful. 52 00:03:04,530 --> 00:03:06,910 AMANPOUR: But Kukhee has managed to get us a private look 53 00:03:06,910 --> 00:03:09,660 at the pieces in Tokyo's Shimizu gallery. 54 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:11,670 -Crikey. Look at that. -[ Laughs ] 55 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:15,210 This was a common gift for daughters for the samurai class 56 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:17,130 -on their wedding night. -To show them... 57 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:19,300 -It's a sex educational manual. -Really? 58 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:21,300 -So let's go through the story. -Yes. 59 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:23,800 They're lying together on their wedding night. 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,510 Oh, she's kind of looking bored. 61 00:03:25,510 --> 00:03:27,810 -[ Laughs ] -She's reading. 62 00:03:27,810 --> 00:03:30,190 And he's like, "Okay." 63 00:03:30,190 --> 00:03:32,480 And would it be on public display? 64 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,650 CHOO: Shunga was a very popular culture in Japan, 65 00:03:34,650 --> 00:03:37,820 and people of various classes would go and purchase it 66 00:03:37,820 --> 00:03:39,360 for entertainment purposes. 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,570 It was humorous. It induced giggles. 68 00:03:42,570 --> 00:03:44,990 So you can see how a couple could look at it together 69 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:46,580 while enjoying. 70 00:03:46,580 --> 00:03:50,450 Could I just say that this looks really painful. 71 00:03:50,450 --> 00:03:52,420 I mean, do Japanese men look like that? 72 00:03:52,420 --> 00:03:55,670 [ Speaking Japanese ] 73 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:59,340 He's not aware of the men's anatomy during this period. 74 00:03:59,340 --> 00:04:02,340 AMANPOUR: [ Laughs ] During this period. 75 00:04:02,340 --> 00:04:04,930 -MAN: [ Speaking Japanese ] -Ah. So there are two males. 76 00:04:04,930 --> 00:04:06,720 And he's doing it to himself. 77 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,140 -No. She's grabbing his -- -Oh, my God. I'm so useless. 78 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:12,270 I can't find whose hands are what. 79 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:15,190 And excuse me. What's happening here? 80 00:04:15,190 --> 00:04:16,940 -CHOO: These are Buddhist nuns. -AMANPOUR: What? 81 00:04:16,940 --> 00:04:19,320 Because they could not have heterosexual relationships, 82 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,950 they're masturbating, or pleasing themselves. 83 00:04:21,950 --> 00:04:24,070 -Dildos. -That's a foot dildo. 84 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:26,240 Okay. That's interesting. 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,580 I mean, it's like... with a sling. 86 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:31,830 CHOO: [ Laughs ] 87 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:35,000 AMANPOUR: I'm quite shocked. It's seriously explicit. 88 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,290 I mean, all these positions. 89 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:39,380 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 90 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:41,340 Do you think people actually did that at home? 91 00:04:41,340 --> 00:04:42,840 CHOO: [ Laughing ] They probably did. 92 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:44,550 According to historians, the Edo period, 93 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:47,050 from the 17th century to the 19th century, 94 00:04:47,050 --> 00:04:48,680 was known for its sexual liberation. 95 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,270 And then what happened? 96 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:52,680 In the mid-19th century, Japan opened its market 97 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,600 and its country to the Western world. 98 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,860 The new era was called Meiji period, 99 00:04:57,860 --> 00:04:59,690 and they actually banned this culture, 100 00:04:59,690 --> 00:05:02,820 deeming it inappropriate according to Western standards. 101 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:04,740 -Mm. -And let's not forget -- 102 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:07,120 The mid-19th century was the Victorian era. 103 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,620 They thought maybe the Americans 104 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:11,740 or Brits or whatever would come here and get shocked. 105 00:05:11,740 --> 00:05:15,580 And they were indeed shocked, so this suddenly disappeared. 106 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:17,830 If you actually had these shungas, 107 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:20,210 they would be confiscated by the government. 108 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:21,590 AMANPOUR: She looks quite happy, this one. 109 00:05:21,590 --> 00:05:23,050 CHOO: That's his wife. 110 00:05:23,050 --> 00:05:25,300 Even if she weren't, she had to fake it. 111 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:27,840 What were marriages like in that era? 112 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,550 During the Edo period, men could have multiple wives, 113 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:31,930 many mistresses. 114 00:05:31,930 --> 00:05:33,560 And how did the wives take that? 115 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,480 They were taught jealousy was not a good virtue. 116 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,150 -So they had to bite the bullet? -Yes. 117 00:05:37,150 --> 00:05:38,810 -As usual. -As usual. [ Laughs ] 118 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:40,900 There was more sexual liberation, 119 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:43,860 so I would assume that probably people were a little happier. 120 00:05:43,860 --> 00:05:45,570 -Women or men? -Both. 121 00:05:45,570 --> 00:05:47,200 So the wives could do this stuff, too? 122 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,410 -Probably secretly. -Really? 123 00:05:49,410 --> 00:05:52,450 -Who do we have here, then? -Just a regular lady. 124 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:54,450 Probably she's buying some kind of hair ornament 125 00:05:54,450 --> 00:05:57,080 from this merchant who came to visit her. 126 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,670 Is this the milkman coming 127 00:05:58,670 --> 00:06:00,460 and having an affair with the housewife? 128 00:06:00,460 --> 00:06:02,050 -[ Speaking Japanese ] -Exactly. 129 00:06:02,050 --> 00:06:04,170 -Exactly. -[ Laughs ] 130 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:07,630 God will only know what that weird sexual torture device is. 131 00:06:07,630 --> 00:06:09,800 CHOO: Shoes. Wooden heels. 132 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,390 [ Laughs ] 133 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:14,890 They got that one wrong. 134 00:06:14,890 --> 00:06:18,140 [ Music slows, stops ] 135 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:30,110 In public, my husband and I don't do much kissing, 136 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:33,580 holding hands or putting an arm around the shoulder. 137 00:06:33,580 --> 00:06:35,330 Almost never happens. 138 00:06:35,330 --> 00:06:39,790 On very rare occasions, we hold hands. 139 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:43,250 But I don't like holding hands very much. 140 00:06:44,630 --> 00:06:51,300 I kiss my husband only when we have sex. 141 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:56,970 Do I like it? 142 00:06:57,980 --> 00:07:00,440 Mm. [ Laughs ] 143 00:07:02,020 --> 00:07:06,440 Not very much. In fact, I may not be very good at it. 144 00:07:09,150 --> 00:07:12,530 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 145 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:19,160 AMANPOUR: On Love Hotel Hill, 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,040 intimacy is a business where amorous couples seek respite 147 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,420 from the stresses and loneliness of life. 148 00:07:26,420 --> 00:07:29,420 Rooms can be paid for by the hour, 149 00:07:29,420 --> 00:07:31,760 and so can lovers. 150 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,470 [ Music continues ] 151 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:43,230 My occupation is fuzoku-jyo, a hotel health worker. 152 00:07:43,230 --> 00:07:44,770 [ Speaking Japanese ] 153 00:07:47,020 --> 00:07:54,160 I see about four customers per day. 154 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,490 MAN: [ Speaking Japanese ] 155 00:07:58,790 --> 00:08:03,370 Once a call comes, I go to the designated hotels. 156 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:12,300 Many things motivated me to start this job. 157 00:08:13,090 --> 00:08:15,800 As my husband is a strong, jealous type, 158 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:25,520 I thought maybe this job could relieve stress 159 00:08:27,190 --> 00:08:29,530 by enjoying other men. 160 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:34,660 MAN: [ Laughs ] 161 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:36,870 -[ Speaking Japanese ] -[ Telephone ringing ] 162 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:42,790 The shop set up a fabricated company for an alibi. 163 00:08:42,790 --> 00:08:49,300 My husband thinks I work as an OL (office lady). 164 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:54,840 [ Music continues ] 165 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:02,140 My regulars are working in corporate jobs, 166 00:09:02,140 --> 00:09:07,310 married but sexless. 167 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:11,320 They don't get sexual intimacy at home, 168 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,700 so they probably come to me 169 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:20,580 to release sexual tension from time to time. 170 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:27,380 Since I'm a married woman myself, 171 00:09:27,380 --> 00:09:31,750 married customers request me. 172 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:36,590 I think they look for similar elements as their wives. 173 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:39,760 Someone they can talk to. 174 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:45,730 With a married woman, who understands the situation, 175 00:09:45,730 --> 00:09:47,940 a secret can be shared. 176 00:09:50,770 --> 00:09:57,610 For those who claim they fall in love with me 177 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,740 I would pretend to be in love with them, 178 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:05,250 so they would come see me more. 179 00:10:06,910 --> 00:10:09,460 [ Indistinct conversations ] 180 00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:12,500 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 181 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:14,590 WOMAN: I've never heard my father say "I love you" 182 00:10:14,590 --> 00:10:16,630 to my mother. 183 00:10:17,170 --> 00:10:20,760 I think it would be really weird for me to hear that in Japanese. 184 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,220 It sounds really, really corny. 185 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:25,480 Yeah. That's the thing. Just linguistically, it's-- 186 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,060 It just sounds corny. 187 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,030 Oh, yeah. In English. Yeah. He always say -- 188 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:36,780 Yeah, we say those sorts of things. 189 00:10:36,780 --> 00:10:40,570 WOMAN: "I love you" is "ashier" in Japanese. 190 00:10:40,570 --> 00:10:42,830 But it means more if you say "arigato," 191 00:10:42,830 --> 00:10:44,540 which means "thank you." 192 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:48,660 So I think a lot of Japanese people say "thank you" 193 00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:50,330 instead of "I love you." 194 00:10:50,330 --> 00:10:53,420 I don't use "I love you." 195 00:10:53,420 --> 00:10:55,750 I use "I like you" and "I like you so much." 196 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:57,380 MAYA: In the public, we don't say much. 197 00:10:57,380 --> 00:10:59,220 JESSE: We don't hold hands. 198 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:00,930 At first, I didn't really kiss. 199 00:11:00,930 --> 00:11:02,970 MAYA: We kiss when he go work. 200 00:11:02,970 --> 00:11:04,970 -You know. -When? 201 00:11:04,970 --> 00:11:06,520 Well, when you leave. 202 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,430 -She just -- -[ Speaking Japanese ] 203 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:10,350 But that's not kissing, though. 204 00:11:10,350 --> 00:11:12,310 Oh, yeah. That -- Not really... 205 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:14,110 Nobody wants to kiss me. 206 00:11:14,110 --> 00:11:15,400 -[ Laughs ] -No. 207 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,860 JESSE: Once in a while we do. 208 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:18,610 MAYA: But not in the public. 209 00:11:18,610 --> 00:11:20,530 That would be the big rumor -- 210 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:23,200 "Maya-san really kissing her husband." 211 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,200 It's that kind of situation, you know? 212 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,330 Rumors can kill you. 213 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,710 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 214 00:11:53,770 --> 00:11:56,230 [ Speaking Japanese ] 215 00:11:56,230 --> 00:11:58,820 Shining! 216 00:11:58,820 --> 00:11:59,860 Yeah! 217 00:11:59,860 --> 00:12:01,240 Ready! 218 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,070 Set, go! 219 00:12:02,070 --> 00:12:03,860 Cheers! 220 00:12:03,860 --> 00:12:08,830 Chug it! 221 00:12:08,830 --> 00:12:10,040 Everybody chug it! 222 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,910 Chug it! 223 00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:15,080 Here we go! 224 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:15,880 At last! 225 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,460 In the end! 226 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:17,710 Awesome! 227 00:12:17,710 --> 00:12:18,300 Prince! 228 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:19,050 A comment! 229 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:19,590 Let's! 230 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:20,380 Ask! 231 00:12:22,470 --> 00:12:24,050 Thank you for today. 232 00:12:24,050 --> 00:12:25,840 AMANPOUR: It's a Japanese tradition 233 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,470 that goes back centuries, 234 00:12:27,470 --> 00:12:29,390 and it's an accepted way of life 235 00:12:29,390 --> 00:12:32,100 that men can be pampered and pleasured 236 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:35,690 by any number of services for a price. 237 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:39,150 The modern salaryman can choose everything 238 00:12:39,150 --> 00:12:43,200 from traditional geishas to women dressed as schoolgirls 239 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,950 and hostess bars, guaranteeing very attentive company. 240 00:12:46,950 --> 00:12:48,530 My eyes are beautiful. 241 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,000 AMANPOUR: But where does a modern salarywoman go 242 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,910 to get her boxes ticked? 243 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,210 [ Music continues ] 244 00:12:58,210 --> 00:13:02,340 In the post-bubble economy, they work hard and play hard 245 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:04,680 but may have little time or inclination 246 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:06,510 for relationships. 247 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Now there are host clubs to cater to female customers 248 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,640 who may be searching for the boyfriend experience. 249 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,600 This is a pretty amazing place. 250 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,690 Just explain to us where we are. 251 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:22,230 We are at Host Club Ai. Uh, means "love." 252 00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:25,030 AMANPOUR: As ever, Professor Kukhee Choo is my wingwoman. 253 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:26,910 Is that what people come here for? 254 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:29,200 Some people might, but people are aware 255 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,580 that they're buying that two hours of affection. 256 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,460 -AMANPOUR: And attention. -CHOO: Attention. 257 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,090 I think that this occupies a particular space in Japan 258 00:13:42,090 --> 00:13:44,590 where women can come and destress 259 00:13:44,590 --> 00:13:46,090 or show their true feelings 260 00:13:46,090 --> 00:13:48,590 or act like they're the queen of the day, 261 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:50,640 and it makes them feel good. 262 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,470 ICHI: Hello. Hello. 263 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:53,720 Excuse me, welcome. 264 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:54,810 Hi. What's your name? 265 00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:56,190 -What's your name? -Ichi. 266 00:13:56,190 --> 00:13:57,520 Ichi. 267 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,520 What are you gonna do for us? 268 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,690 Well, this is a Japanese host club 269 00:14:02,690 --> 00:14:07,240 that provides private hospitality. 270 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,780 Let me see some hospitality. 271 00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:12,330 Okay, what would you like to drink? 272 00:14:12,330 --> 00:14:14,830 Soju on the rocks with ice. 273 00:14:14,830 --> 00:14:17,160 -Okay. -AMANPOUR: Thank you, Ichi. 274 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,710 So is there a hierarchy? Is there a rank? 275 00:14:19,710 --> 00:14:22,880 Yes, it depends on the sales of that month. 276 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:28,010 It does not depend on how many customers the host gets. 277 00:14:28,010 --> 00:14:29,840 Even if a host has only one customer 278 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,640 but that customer spends ten million yen 279 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,180 and the other hosts didn't make those same sales, 280 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:35,600 that host would be number one for the next month. 281 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,310 CHOO: Some people might have one customer, 282 00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:40,400 but if that customer spends $100,000 U.S., yes, a month. 283 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,770 A hundred thousand U.S. dollars? 284 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:45,530 So it'd be 10 million yen a month. 285 00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:47,530 Are you serious? Whoa. 286 00:14:47,530 --> 00:14:50,360 That host would actually be the number one that month. 287 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,320 AMANPOUR: Have you been number one? 288 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,830 Yes, I have. 289 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:54,330 What do women want when they come here? 290 00:14:54,330 --> 00:14:56,580 They come here to experience something they can't 291 00:14:56,580 --> 00:14:57,830 in their ordinary life. 292 00:14:57,830 --> 00:14:59,540 They talk about things 293 00:14:59,540 --> 00:15:01,960 they can't talk to their husband, 294 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,300 boyfriend or friends about. 295 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:06,760 Like what? 296 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,630 Complaining about their husbands. 297 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:11,050 CHOO: Complaints about their husbands. 298 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:12,640 Yes, also about their boyfriends. 299 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,640 CHOO: Complaints about their boyfriends. 300 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,180 Talking about being sexless. 301 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:17,970 CHOO: Talking about being sexless. 302 00:15:17,970 --> 00:15:19,980 Sexless. Really? 303 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:22,610 Well, it's easy for Japanese to become sexless 304 00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:25,940 compared to foreigners. 305 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:27,860 It's extremely lacking in body touch. 306 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:30,320 CHOO: Oh, because there's not that much skinship here. 307 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,240 -Skinship? -They call it skinship here. 308 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,660 -What is that? -Body touch. Like, affection. 309 00:15:35,660 --> 00:15:41,920 Like this. They don't do this with others. 310 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,670 Oh. Hold hands. Yeah. 311 00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:45,210 I grab their waist and pull them closer to me. 312 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:46,840 And then they grab them by their waist 313 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,260 and pull them closer to... 314 00:15:48,260 --> 00:15:51,050 And I do a "princess lift." 315 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:52,800 Oh, and they lift them up like they're a -- 316 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,430 They're called a princess lift. 317 00:15:54,430 --> 00:15:56,260 -Really? -Yes. 318 00:15:56,260 --> 00:15:57,680 And then where does that lead? 319 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,390 Taxi. Bye-bye. 320 00:15:59,390 --> 00:16:02,230 [ Laughter ] 321 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,730 So they come sexless and they leave sexless. 322 00:16:06,730 --> 00:16:10,650 Some of them come for sex. 323 00:16:10,650 --> 00:16:16,990 But if they have sex, they might be satisfied and not come back. 324 00:16:17,790 --> 00:16:19,620 AMANPOUR: So it's true what I heard -- 325 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:22,290 The Japanese don't really kiss or hug. 326 00:16:22,290 --> 00:16:24,460 Did you have physical contact with your parents? 327 00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:25,420 No, I did not. 328 00:16:25,420 --> 00:16:26,590 -No. -No. 329 00:16:26,590 --> 00:16:30,300 I remember my father and mother 330 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:32,970 carried me piggyback, 331 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:36,720 since I was a little spoiled. 332 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,470 But we didn't hug or kiss. 333 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:41,980 How does the lack of intimacy affect you? 334 00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:45,350 It was embarrassing to be with a woman. 335 00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:46,440 Really? 336 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,650 Well, when I was younger. 337 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:53,150 If you had hugs and kisses from your mother 338 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:55,450 when you were a child, 339 00:16:55,450 --> 00:16:59,580 you'd be more expressive as an adult. 340 00:16:59,580 --> 00:17:02,500 So this is good for you as well, not just for the women, right? 341 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:05,500 I do body touch. 342 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:07,040 And yourself? 343 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,080 -I get healed too. -You get healed too. 344 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,300 So that's why he likes this work. 345 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,180 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 346 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:19,760 I like a man who is independent, mentally and financially. 347 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:23,600 And somebody who is well informed about something. 348 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,310 I like a geek. 349 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:30,610 [ Music continues ] 350 00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:34,530 My boyfriend at that time 351 00:17:34,530 --> 00:17:39,200 only occasionally became erect in the morning. 352 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:45,500 He asked me to get on top of him. There was no foreplay. 353 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:48,790 I put on lube and got on top of him, 354 00:17:48,790 --> 00:17:54,380 then he picked up his cell phone and started watching a porno. 355 00:17:54,380 --> 00:18:00,970 I didn't feel good, so I got off and gave him a hand job. 356 00:18:00,970 --> 00:18:03,930 He kept watching the porno. 357 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:07,270 And he was satisfied and that was it. 358 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:10,650 I tried to entice him by wearing sexy lingerie 359 00:18:10,650 --> 00:18:14,610 and perfume with pheromones, 360 00:18:14,610 --> 00:18:19,410 but he would just say, "What are you doing? or "You are weird." 361 00:18:19,410 --> 00:18:21,780 And so we became sexless 362 00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:28,420 and I lost confidence as a woman. 363 00:18:33,250 --> 00:18:37,590 AMANPOUR: Sexless marriages seem to be an accepted reality here. 364 00:18:38,170 --> 00:18:41,260 But what about single women in Japan? 365 00:18:41,260 --> 00:18:44,680 Is the grass any greener for them? 366 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,270 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 367 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,020 I'm heading into the city's gay district, 368 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:56,070 where they have a concentration of microbars. 369 00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:58,150 [ Music continues ] 370 00:18:58,150 --> 00:19:01,280 And those differentiate even further 371 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,160 by the particular itch they try to scratch. 372 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,050 Momo isn't gay, 373 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:19,340 but in a place where female sexuality is often hidden, 374 00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:23,600 her favorite spot serves both drinks and a purpose. 375 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,260 AMANPOUR: Momo, you don't come here to find love or sex. 376 00:19:26,260 --> 00:19:28,430 MOMO: Not here. It's a gay bar, though. 377 00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:30,060 -Right. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 378 00:19:30,060 --> 00:19:31,650 -Are you gay? -I am straight. 379 00:19:31,650 --> 00:19:33,480 So why are you coming in here? 380 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:34,860 Uh... 381 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:36,690 [ Laughter ] 382 00:19:36,690 --> 00:19:38,150 -Ding! -Ding! 383 00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:39,740 -MAN: That's special. -MOMO: Yeah. 384 00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:41,070 Ding, ding! 385 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:42,870 [ Laughter ] 386 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:45,580 Sense of humor is a must. 387 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:46,870 I love it. 388 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:50,500 When I go to, like, a normal bar, 389 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:56,290 it's like, um, conversation is not stimulating. 390 00:19:56,290 --> 00:19:58,170 -AMANPOUR: It's not stimulating? -No. 391 00:19:58,170 --> 00:20:01,720 Gay persons, they know about for man side, woman side. 392 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,050 Love advice is best. 393 00:20:04,050 --> 00:20:05,760 And the conversation is professional. 394 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,430 It's, like, sexually open. 395 00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:09,390 I'm sexually open, so that's why I want to talk. 396 00:20:09,390 --> 00:20:11,190 So, do you give her advice sometimes? 397 00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:12,440 Yeah, sometimes. 398 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,020 -What do you discuss? -Blow jobs. 399 00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:16,520 Oh, really? Oh. Okay. 400 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,230 Okay. I guess this is a good place to learn that. 401 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:21,320 Sorry. It's too much for you, maybe? 402 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,450 -[ Laughs ] -No, no. Not at all. 403 00:20:23,450 --> 00:20:26,030 When I was young, I opened up the door, 404 00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:29,160 and I saw my parents' sex, unfortunately. 405 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,160 -You did? -Yeah. I was 5 years old. 406 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,710 I didn't know what sex is, but I imitate it. 407 00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:35,920 I start for masturbating stuff. 408 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:36,920 Uh-huh. 409 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,920 [ Laughter ] 410 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,220 So from spying on your -- 411 00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:44,340 Well, stumbling in on your parents 412 00:20:44,340 --> 00:20:46,930 to masturbating to being in a gay club. 413 00:20:46,930 --> 00:20:48,470 No! No, no, no, no. 414 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:51,060 AMANPOUR: So what is it like being a girl here? 415 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:53,230 What pressures are you under? 416 00:20:53,230 --> 00:20:56,900 Most Asian mom is like, "Do this. Do like that." 417 00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:58,690 -Tiger mom. -Yeah. 418 00:20:58,690 --> 00:21:01,740 My mom always wanted me to find a person who has money, 419 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:03,490 a rich person to get married. 420 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:05,200 -You didn't want to do that? -No. 421 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,910 So what did they let you do and not let you do? 422 00:21:07,910 --> 00:21:09,580 Well, like, no dating. 423 00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:12,290 So I was always curious and curious 424 00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:13,870 and curious about dating. 425 00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:16,880 Just one time I try and lost virginity. 426 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,250 How old were you? 427 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:20,050 -Like 16. -And was that young? 428 00:21:20,050 --> 00:21:22,090 That time is, like, common. 429 00:21:22,090 --> 00:21:23,630 And did you love this person? 430 00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:25,970 Not really. I just wanted to have an experience. 431 00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:28,050 -Was it a good experience? -Ah. 432 00:21:28,050 --> 00:21:30,140 Well, I walk like a penguin. 433 00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:32,810 [ Both laugh ] 434 00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:34,310 That was hard. 435 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,400 And then my mom find out. 436 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,650 -And so were you punished? -Yeah. 437 00:21:39,650 --> 00:21:41,230 She punished me a lot. 438 00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:43,440 So you were very repressed at home? 439 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,700 Yeah. That influenced me to, like, not be myself. 440 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,240 I cannot love myself 441 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,030 and I cannot, like, be taking care of myself. 442 00:21:51,030 --> 00:21:53,200 And then it's, like, lonely, 443 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,870 and I try to find one-night stand. 444 00:21:55,870 --> 00:21:57,000 I think I did a lot. 445 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,290 Lots of one-night stands. 446 00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:59,710 -To find some freedom? -Yeah. Yeah. 447 00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:01,920 How about emotional happiness 448 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,340 when it comes to -- I don't know -- 449 00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:07,050 being with a partner, finding the right partner? 450 00:22:07,050 --> 00:22:12,220 I would love to have my own happy family. 451 00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:14,560 If I find the right person, 452 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,190 I will not go to, like, having sex with so many people, 453 00:22:18,190 --> 00:22:20,060 and I think I will settle down. 454 00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:22,070 You clearly know everything you need to know. 455 00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:25,190 If I find something, like, interesting, I jump on. 456 00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:27,150 -Yeah. -Like, I'm a Pegasus. 457 00:22:27,150 --> 00:22:30,240 -You were a penguin once. -I used to be a penguin, yeah. 458 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,200 All right. On that note, Momo... 459 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,240 -Cheers again. -I can't take any more of this. 460 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,410 [ Laughs ] 461 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,210 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 462 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,590 AMANPOUR: In a place with fairly obvious intimacy issues, 463 00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:45,630 it isn't surprising that many turn to other outlets 464 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:48,930 for stimulation, entertainment, and even comfort. 465 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:52,220 CHOO: This place called Ikebukuro 466 00:22:52,220 --> 00:22:56,020 is known for the female consumers of manga, 467 00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:58,230 anime, and game culture. 468 00:22:58,230 --> 00:23:00,770 AMANPOUR: The Otome Road, or Maiden Road, 469 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:02,360 is a nickname for this area, 470 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:05,820 which caters to female manga fans. 471 00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:07,820 -"Manga" means "comic book." -CHOO: Yeah. 472 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:11,320 Tezuka Osamu is the godfather of manga and anime in Japan, 473 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,330 but the girls' genre branches out from that 474 00:23:13,330 --> 00:23:15,240 during the late '60s and '70s. 475 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,540 AMANPOUR: Manga is Professor Kukhee Choo's area of expertise. 476 00:23:19,290 --> 00:23:22,920 It's a major part of everyday life here in Japan. 477 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,880 The main genre which is read by women and girls 478 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,920 is called shojo. 479 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,550 It features romances 480 00:23:29,550 --> 00:23:33,470 where female characters play stereotypical roles. 481 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:36,680 The dominant genre the female consumers consume in this area 482 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,100 is what they call "boys' love" genre. 483 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,520 Okay. What is it? 484 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,100 A genre that actually features boys 485 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,110 in a homoerotic relationship. 486 00:23:44,110 --> 00:23:45,980 And is that what they're looking at here? 487 00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:47,820 CHOO: They are. 488 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:50,780 All the characters in this title are all beautiful boys. 489 00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:53,070 -Those are boys with long hair? -Those are all boys. 490 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:54,820 That's what they call the pretty boys. 491 00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:58,290 It's not gay. It's for heterosexual women. 492 00:23:58,290 --> 00:24:00,370 Yes, predominantly for heterosexual women. 493 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,000 AMANPOUR: Boys' love, or yaoi, is a further subgenre of manga, 494 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,540 which some see as a rebellion 495 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:10,130 against the unattainable boy-meets-girl romance 496 00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:12,300 of the more mainstream offerings. 497 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:14,300 So what is fujoshi? 498 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:17,100 "Fujoshi" means "rotten girl." Literally. 499 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:19,560 It started out as probably a derogatory term. 500 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,730 But the female consumers, the girls and the women, 501 00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:25,360 reclaimed that, and it's empowering for them now. 502 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,980 AMANPOUR: They're the ones who consume this? 503 00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:29,440 -In this Ikebukuro area. -So we're full of fujoshi here? 504 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,570 We are full of fujoshi, yes. 505 00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:33,530 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 506 00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:38,290 Hijirin, she really likes the happy story. 507 00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:41,700 They meet, fall in love and are happy. 508 00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:51,470 I like the story where they break up 509 00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:53,260 but still like each other, 510 00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:55,930 then they get back together. 511 00:24:55,930 --> 00:25:01,810 Because I'm a woman, I admire the friendships between men. 512 00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:05,520 That led me to liking BL (Boys' Love). 513 00:25:06,860 --> 00:25:13,070 I guess I also want to read about what I don't have. 514 00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:14,780 Men's friendships. 515 00:25:15,860 --> 00:25:17,780 It's kind of a secret garden. 516 00:25:17,780 --> 00:25:24,580 We are into it because it shows us the forbidden. 517 00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:28,290 [ Music continues ] 518 00:25:29,290 --> 00:25:31,250 Boys' Love is not the reason 519 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:33,550 I don't have a boyfriend right now. 520 00:25:34,590 --> 00:25:37,470 Right now, I'm not looking for anybody. 521 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:40,810 I guess that I give priority to my job? 522 00:25:40,810 --> 00:25:42,850 Yeah, I'm busy at work. 523 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:45,020 -Boys' Love is our relaxation, isn't it? -Yes, yes. 524 00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:46,440 -Isn't it true? -Right. 525 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,020 We have a lot of stress. 526 00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:51,530 I'm tired of being in love with somebody. 527 00:25:51,530 --> 00:25:53,030 I'm tired of looking for somebody. 528 00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:56,490 Yes, falling in love needs lots of energy, 529 00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:59,620 and we don't have the energy now. 530 00:25:59,620 --> 00:26:02,080 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 531 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,250 Do you ever talk to the women 532 00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:08,790 about what gives them gratification, 533 00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:11,090 whether it's emotional, whether it's physical? 534 00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:12,710 It seems like there's a lot of insecurity 535 00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:15,090 associated with this form of consumption. 536 00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:17,090 A lot of the people don't feel confident 537 00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:18,630 as a heterosexual being. 538 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:20,970 But the fujoshi seem to feel insecure 539 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:23,310 when it comes to dating the other male. 540 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:26,390 And that's why they're really consuming boys having sex, 541 00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:28,230 because they don't want to project themselves 542 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:30,560 into that body, so it makes them feel better. 543 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,440 I think it's very difficult for Japanese men as well. 544 00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:37,200 A statistic came out a year ago that showed about 40% 545 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,910 of the male population of Japan are virgins. 546 00:26:39,910 --> 00:26:41,660 -What? -They were saying that 40% 547 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:43,200 of the Japanese male population are virgins. 548 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,580 It's almost like a vicious cycle. 549 00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:48,370 [ Up-tempo music plays ] 550 00:26:49,170 --> 00:26:52,090 Everybody has a name. 551 00:26:52,090 --> 00:26:54,880 This is Natasha. 552 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,380 She is Kyoko. 553 00:26:57,380 --> 00:27:00,260 She is Catherine. 554 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,770 Kyoko is like a dominatrix. 555 00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:10,940 Natasha is my favorite. 556 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,900 I started by being into manga and anime 557 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:23,780 and then figurines of manga characters. 558 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:25,330 And then my interest went bigger. 559 00:27:25,330 --> 00:27:27,750 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 560 00:27:29,370 --> 00:27:35,040 I heard about a love doll made out of silicone. 561 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,920 I bought a used one on a Yahoo! Auction. 562 00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:47,520 I do feel love for Natasha. 563 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,100 It's just one-way love, though. 564 00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:51,560 [ Chuckles ] 565 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,560 [ Music continues ] 566 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,820 I don't tell her, "I love you" 567 00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:58,820 but I kiss her. 568 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,490 The doll is a doll. 569 00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,330 I don't have a girlfriend now, 570 00:28:07,330 --> 00:28:10,540 but I want one. 571 00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:14,750 They are completely different things. 572 00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:19,460 A new girlfriend will have to accept them. 573 00:28:20,380 --> 00:28:24,010 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 574 00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:25,720 CHOO: As a media scholar, 575 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,060 I'm wondering if the heavy consumption 576 00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:30,020 of all these other forms of entertainment 577 00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:34,270 are taking away time from actual human connection. 578 00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:36,730 So, online culture, robots? 579 00:28:36,730 --> 00:28:38,860 Gaming. Yes. 580 00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:40,530 And if you're playing games all the time, 581 00:28:40,530 --> 00:28:42,240 if you're reading comic books, 582 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,660 and with the development of all this robotic technology 583 00:28:44,660 --> 00:28:46,410 that are producing sex dolls, 584 00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:48,410 I think there is a lot of anxiety 585 00:28:48,410 --> 00:28:50,540 associated with Japanese masculinity. 586 00:28:50,540 --> 00:28:52,160 And when you, as an academic, 587 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,210 think about where this is going to lead this country 588 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:55,880 socially, economically, culturally -- 589 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,050 That is the million-dollar question, yeah. 590 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,630 We don't kiss in the public. 591 00:29:01,630 --> 00:29:04,970 And we don't break the fuinki. We don't do it. 592 00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:09,850 Fuinki is the atmosphere, you know, the kind of feeling. 593 00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:13,270 Japanese quiet is good. 594 00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:14,940 JESSE: She would always yell at me -- 595 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:16,730 "You're breaking the fuinki!" 596 00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:20,190 I said, "God. What's the fuinki?" 597 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:23,400 Just like in the elevator. It's, like, international. 598 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,950 JESSE: Yeah. They're always like... 599 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:27,450 -He always talk. -...on the elevator or something 600 00:29:27,450 --> 00:29:29,450 -in their minds. -Very cheerful. Too much. 601 00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:31,950 [ Laughs ] Too cheerful? 602 00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:34,710 "Just be quiet," to him. 603 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:35,750 [ Laughs ] 604 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:39,460 We've been married for 21 years. 605 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:43,840 You can't tell, but she's the boss. 606 00:29:45,170 --> 00:29:47,430 Well...yeah. 607 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:49,050 That's how we are. 608 00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:50,430 [ Both laugh ] 609 00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:52,430 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 610 00:29:59,770 --> 00:30:01,400 AMANPOUR: Women are no longer willing 611 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,240 to take the place that society has imposed on them. 612 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,900 They don't all want to be the perfect daughter 613 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,240 who grows up to be the perfect housewife, 614 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,870 and a massive shift is under way. 615 00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:14,870 [ Music continues ] 616 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:16,620 Oh, good. We're gonna get some drinks now. 617 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:18,250 We can loosen up a little bit. 618 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,040 [ Laughter ] 619 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,130 AMANPOUR: I've come to meet a group of friends 620 00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:23,710 at their regular hangout 621 00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:25,420 where they gather to dish on their lives 622 00:30:25,420 --> 00:30:26,920 and their loves. 623 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,680 Ladies, let's talk about sex. 624 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,850 How is sex? 625 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,720 I like it. 626 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,140 [ Laughter ] 627 00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:35,980 Yeah? 628 00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:37,980 Do you think men here, the people who you're dating, 629 00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:40,230 and your husband, and your partners, 630 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:43,190 do they care about your happiness, 631 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:47,900 about your emotional and your physical satisfaction? 632 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,320 Mm... 633 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,410 Probably, maybe. 634 00:30:50,410 --> 00:30:51,910 [ Laughter ] 635 00:30:51,910 --> 00:30:54,120 No, no way. 636 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,330 No? 637 00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:57,040 Sometimes they care, 638 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,130 but most men care about themselves in the end. 639 00:31:01,130 --> 00:31:03,210 You know, we've been talking to a lot of people 640 00:31:03,210 --> 00:31:05,880 and we've heard about a lot of this "sexless" thing. 641 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,180 Like, this is a sexless culture. Is it? 642 00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:12,470 Most of my married friends tell me they are sexless. 643 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:14,100 Yes, I heard that too. 644 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:16,430 When they're married, there's a lot of sexless. 645 00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:18,850 But if not, maybe not. 646 00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:20,480 So is it better not to be married? 647 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,190 I guess long-term relationships make them sexless. 648 00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:26,190 So like everywhere, everything's great at the beginning, 649 00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:28,780 -and then it changes. -Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. 650 00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:31,320 And what about you? How's sex in your marriage? 651 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,740 [ Laughter ] 652 00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:39,830 What about her? 653 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:41,250 How about you? 654 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:43,330 [ Laughter ] 655 00:31:43,330 --> 00:31:45,800 Touché. Touché. 656 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,260 Does your husband make you happy? 657 00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:49,420 Does he care about how you feel? 658 00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:51,340 Yeah. 659 00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:54,010 And do you still have sex, even though you've got two kids? 660 00:31:54,010 --> 00:31:55,720 -No. -You don't? 661 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,640 -No, no. -WOMAN: Not with her. 662 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,810 -What?! -[ Laughter ] 663 00:31:59,810 --> 00:32:01,600 Why not? 664 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,770 Wow, that means she has sex with... 665 00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:05,610 Who do you have sex with, then? 666 00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:10,240 The Japanese don't talk much about that. 667 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,570 Not even with our spouse. 668 00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:14,700 WOMAN: This is Japanese tradition. 669 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:16,830 We don't talk about much, I think. 670 00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:22,330 We respect each other without sex. 671 00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:25,460 And I sleep with the kids. 672 00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:28,000 I understand that that is traditional in Japan. 673 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,880 Mother often sleeps with the children, 674 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,630 and the husband sleeps alone. 675 00:32:31,630 --> 00:32:33,640 But sex is not just sex. 676 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,350 It's about intimacy, it's about hugging -- 677 00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:38,140 physical love as well as intellectual love. 678 00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:39,810 We don't even do that, we don't even hug. 679 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:41,680 WOMAN: She doesn't even hug. 680 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,560 AMANPOUR: You don't even hug? 681 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,940 Do you feel lonely? 682 00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:47,060 -Lonely. -You do? You feel lonely? 683 00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:48,940 Do you ever tell him that you're not happy? 684 00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:50,740 I've never talked about it. 685 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:53,910 He would pretend not to hear 686 00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:56,700 or just wouldn't answer. 687 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,280 He probably wouldn't say anything. 688 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,330 He will probably think he didn't hear anything. 689 00:33:01,330 --> 00:33:03,710 He would say, "What happened?" 690 00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:04,920 -What's his name? -Takeo. 691 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,460 So tonight, you say, "Takeo, 692 00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:11,300 it's time for us to have some intimacy." 693 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,970 What would he say? 694 00:33:12,970 --> 00:33:15,130 Well, I don't think I want that. 695 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:17,600 Oh, you don't want to? 696 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,350 No, I don't want to. 697 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:21,020 Oh. Why? 698 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:28,560 It's already...it's too... 699 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,980 [ Laughs ] 700 00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:32,650 It's been too long, for a long time. 701 00:33:32,650 --> 00:33:34,650 It's been too long. 702 00:33:34,650 --> 00:33:35,860 How long has it been? 703 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:36,990 More than ten years. 704 00:33:36,990 --> 00:33:38,120 More than ten years. 705 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,160 What?! 706 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,490 [ Laughter ] 707 00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:42,330 So do you think you have a good marriage? 708 00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:45,460 We have a good relationship even without the sex, 709 00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:47,380 so I don't want to break it. 710 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:51,380 How many times have you said "I love you" in your life? 711 00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:53,340 So many times. 712 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:54,420 A lot. 713 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:55,550 Oh, you have? To who? 714 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:56,930 My husband. 715 00:33:56,930 --> 00:34:00,100 -You have? -And my boyfriend. 716 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,180 -WOMAN: Yes. -You have a boyfriend now? 717 00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:05,390 [ Laughter ] 718 00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:07,140 Oh! 719 00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:09,440 This is our secret. 720 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,030 It's a secret? It's a secret on television? 721 00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:14,030 [ Laughs ] 722 00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:15,530 No. 723 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:17,530 -Does your husband know? -No. 724 00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:18,910 -No? -Yes. 725 00:34:18,910 --> 00:34:20,320 What would he do if he found out? 726 00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:22,990 Divorce? 727 00:34:22,990 --> 00:34:24,910 -No, no. -No? Why? 728 00:34:24,910 --> 00:34:26,620 I have kids. 729 00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:28,040 So you're happy now? 730 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,420 -Yes. Yes. -Yeah. 731 00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:32,800 Do you think Japanese society is changing for women? 732 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,880 Mm. 733 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,550 Yes, I think things will change. 734 00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:41,010 Women of this generation know 735 00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:43,140 about cultures of other countries. 736 00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:44,680 Husband and wife make room for the kids 737 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,350 but maintain a real couple's relationship. 738 00:34:47,350 --> 00:34:50,810 We see they go out on dates and things like that. 739 00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:53,320 So I think it will change. 740 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,940 Do you think you can break the system? 741 00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:56,950 What do you want for your life? 742 00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:58,490 Be myself. 743 00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:59,610 Be myself. 744 00:34:59,610 --> 00:35:01,530 Be myself, enjoy. 745 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:11,420 I want to be a married couple who can do that every day. 746 00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:13,590 And have sex? Often? 747 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:15,630 WOMAN: [ Speaking Japanese ] 748 00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:17,630 -Yeah. -Yeah? 749 00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:18,670 Yeah. 750 00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:20,130 There's hope. 751 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,850 MAN: When your dad comes home, do you think he kisses your mom? 752 00:35:27,850 --> 00:35:29,390 -WOMAN: He does. -MAN: Okay. 753 00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:31,440 MAN: He's Japanese, but not in certain respects. 754 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,900 He's quite romantic, yeah. 755 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,690 Um, not like French kissing. 756 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:39,650 But I've seen my parents, you know, peck. 757 00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:43,070 But I don't think he'd do that in front of... 758 00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:45,200 the grand public. 759 00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:51,540 AMANPOUR: There are rules for everything here. 760 00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:55,460 Rules that keep people in their own lanes, 761 00:35:55,460 --> 00:36:00,050 on a path to respectability, to satisfying society, 762 00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:03,180 and looking for happiness is a major no-no. 763 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,060 -KIYO: Oh! -Whoa. 764 00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:10,850 Kimi and her husband, Kiyo, have helped themselves, 765 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:12,730 and they're now trying to help other couples 766 00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:15,900 break out of that social straitjacket. 767 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,110 So I see you doing this business. 768 00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:19,280 [ Laughter ] 769 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,860 Usually hold it like this. 770 00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:23,410 -You relax your hands this way. -Okay. Relax. 771 00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:26,580 -And then waggle a little so... -Waggle a little, yeah. 772 00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:28,410 -It's really like jello, man. -Yeah. 773 00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:30,580 -Are we ready? -Go for it. 774 00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:32,040 -[ Ball thwacks ] -KIYO: Oh! 775 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,790 -KIMI: Oh, good shot. -I got it! Ha ha! 776 00:36:33,790 --> 00:36:35,580 KIMI: Yay! Cool. 777 00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:37,590 -That was very good. -[ Laughs ] 778 00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:40,420 I've honestly never bloody well hit a ball before. 779 00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:43,180 -I mean, I've tried, but... -KIMI: [ Laughs ] 780 00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:45,470 AMANPOUR: So how often do you come to the range? 781 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:46,930 KIMI: Probably every two weeks. 782 00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:48,810 Is it common for a Japanese couple 783 00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:50,520 to have that shared hobby? 784 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,230 It's getting that way, I would say. 785 00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:54,770 In the past, it's mostly like men playing 786 00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:57,360 for the corporate entertainment, wives stay at home. 787 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,030 But my husband doesn't do that. 788 00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:00,780 I mean, oftentimes it's just us. 789 00:37:00,780 --> 00:37:03,570 But it's second time lucky for your husband, right? 790 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:05,780 He didn't have a huge amount of success with his first wife. 791 00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:08,030 -[ Laughs ] Yeah. -Not enough golf. 792 00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:10,120 He straightened up his priorities. 793 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,540 Kiyo, your wife says that you straightened up. 794 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,330 You basically got your priorities right 795 00:37:14,330 --> 00:37:15,880 when your married her. 796 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,540 What did you do wrong in your first marriage? 797 00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:22,760 I used to believe that it was more valuable 798 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,100 to work a long time than to come home early. 799 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:30,600 Sometimes Japanese men don't come back 800 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680 until like 10:00 in the evening, 801 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,560 but he comes back to, you know, share a dinner table with me. 802 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,520 Do you actually tell each other you love each other? 803 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,730 Yeah, we do. 804 00:37:39,730 --> 00:37:41,440 That's quite rare, though, right? 805 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,860 Yeah, Japanese couples, 806 00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:44,700 especially after getting married, 807 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:49,120 are not so outspoken about how they feel emotionally. 808 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,660 Even if they're in a romantic relationship, 809 00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:52,160 even if they're married? 810 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,830 It seems like people go through stages 811 00:37:54,830 --> 00:37:56,620 of their intimacy, 812 00:37:56,620 --> 00:38:00,380 becoming mom and dad rather than husband and wife. 813 00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:02,630 And a lot of people are really, you know, 814 00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:04,800 looking to change that. 815 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,050 And I think that our activities, 816 00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:10,720 in a playful way, is helping them achieve that. 817 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,350 The "adoring husband" organization? 818 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:15,390 Every year, we have this special event 819 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:18,270 for men to shout "I love you!" to their wives. 820 00:38:18,270 --> 00:38:19,900 Megumi! 821 00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:22,400 I'm sorry for always staying out late drinking! 822 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,150 Let's hug each other a lot tonight! 823 00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:27,740 Thank you! 824 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:29,200 [ Man speaking Japanese ] 825 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,160 Yukari! 826 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,290 Thanks for taking care of the house and kids since we married! 827 00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:36,160 Tai-chan! 828 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,250 I love you! 829 00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:38,170 Happiness! 830 00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:39,750 Mieko! 831 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:44,260 I love you! 832 00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:47,050 AMANPOUR: You actually created a society out of nothing. 833 00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:49,090 Yeah. We were really outspoken. 834 00:38:49,090 --> 00:38:50,430 And then we were, like, holding hands 835 00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:52,310 when we were walking together. 836 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:54,430 And we'd do a lot of things together. 837 00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:57,270 So people thought, like, that was something new. 838 00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:59,730 So they started to ask Kiyo, 839 00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:01,400 "You look like an adoring husband, 840 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,320 and you look very happy together." 841 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,030 -Men were saying it to him? -Yeah. 842 00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:08,900 We thought it would be fun to have some playful event 843 00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:12,570 for men to be okay to express their love in public, 844 00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:13,950 and it took off. 845 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:15,160 So that gives hope? 846 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,000 Yeah, I think so. 847 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,540 I'm going to ask Kiyo. 848 00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:20,750 How do you feel about shouting "I love you"? 849 00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:25,590 Oh, I feel really good. 850 00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:27,630 Yeah. It feels really good. 851 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:32,970 It feels really light and refreshing after I say it. 852 00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:34,350 KIMI: Yeah. 853 00:39:34,350 --> 00:39:36,220 Will you ask him to shout love here? 854 00:39:36,220 --> 00:39:38,850 KIMI: [ Laughs, speaking Japanese ] 855 00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:40,640 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 856 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,360 There are so many people here. 857 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,230 You might get a load of new recruits. 858 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:47,070 In golf ranges, you're supposed to be quiet. 859 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:49,200 -Maybe in the parking lot. -Yeah. 860 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,860 -[ Speaking Japanese ] -Ah. 861 00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:55,830 Well, if you really need to shoot the scene, I will do it. 862 00:39:55,830 --> 00:39:57,120 He'll do it. 863 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,450 -Yeah? He'll do it? -Yeah. 864 00:39:58,450 --> 00:40:00,920 [ Speaking Japanese ] 865 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,290 This is a public display of affection. 866 00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:05,500 -Yeah. -The first we've seen in Japan. 867 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,380 KIMI: Yeah. 868 00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:09,380 Aw! 869 00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:13,010 After I met Mika, I do kiss. 870 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:18,720 I can now kiss, kind of freely. 871 00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:23,190 -Something like you kiss her because you love her? 872 00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:25,560 Something like that. 873 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,480 We're not an overtly "I love you" couple... 874 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,530 -Mm. -...really. 875 00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:32,610 -Can you kiss her in front of the camera? 876 00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:34,570 [ Laughing ] 877 00:40:36,370 --> 00:40:38,910 I would like to say "I love you" more. 878 00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:40,410 [ Music continues ] 879 00:40:40,410 --> 00:40:42,120 -What about on the cheek? 880 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,290 Oh, on my cheek then? 881 00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:44,920 Your cheek? 882 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,420 [ Music continues ] 883 00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:49,460 [ Both laugh ] 884 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:55,050 [ Speaking Japanese ] 885 00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:57,760 [ Music continues ] 886 00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:02,980 Okay. 887 00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:03,940 -Okay. -Okay. 888 00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,900 -Okay. -Okay. 889 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:08,230 [ Shouting in Japanese ] 890 00:41:13,570 --> 00:41:17,120 That is amazing. 891 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,830 Ah! 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