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- Night.
- Goodnight, Rachel.

- Whoa! Sorry, boss.
- Rachel.

Give us a second,
Sam. Has Janet gone?

Uh, yeah, she had a GCSE
meeting at school with Elise.

Are you doing anything?

Just dropping this next lot of
disclosure schedules off at the CPS.

You got anything on over the next three
or four days you can't wriggle out of?

- Court appearances? Anything?
- No.

- Fancy a bit of overtime?
- Yeah.

Get that done, go home, pack
a bag. I'll pick you up in an hour.

- Yeah, why, where we going?
- Cambridge, Ravenhill Prison.

Then Bristol. North
Avon. It'll all become clear.

Sammy? Yeah, so
bins out tomorrow night.

Yes, I know you know that.

And I'm telling you because
you're going to have to do it

because I'm not
going to be there.

Dom?

Dom?

Look, I'm going away
for a couple of days, so...

- Oh, shit.
- Who the hell's that?

She's me sister.

I thought you said no
one else would be here?

Fuck this.

Are you going to
introduce me to your friend?

- No. W-We were...
- I want my 20 quid back.

Married, are we? I
don't think so, pal.

Can you remember where
the door is or shall I show you?

You're hurting me!

I've got your registration
number, arsehole,

so don't think I can't
find out where you live.

Or every single thing
there is to know about you.

Fetch.

I don't even know
where to start, Dom.

Have you done this before? Here?

- No.
- Two things.

I'm a police officer and you've
just used my flat to sell sex in.

Do you understand
that you can't do that?

And number two,
what are you doing?

What are you doing?

Do you want me to go?

No, Dom. I want you to
get your life back together!

I was at a hotel, asking
about kitchen jobs.

I was. Honest.

Ah...

Right. Okay, look, I'm, um...

I'm going away for a
couple of days. So I...

Shit.

I don't know what you had to
do, Dom, in prison, to get by.

But this is the deal, right?

That is in the past.
You're in my world now.

Look, if you're short for money,
then... Then you talk to me

before you even dream of doing
anything like that ever again, right?

All right. I am going to be going
away. So, God, I don't know.

Can you promise me? Promise me

that you will try to behave

like you've got the sense
that you were born with. Or I'll...

I will ask you to leave, Dom.
Because I'll be left with no choice.

I just wanted to pay
you back for your kitchen.

Have you had an HIV test?

Does the name Jeremy
Leach ring any bells?

Jeremy Leach?

He raped and strangled three
women in the West Country.

One in Reading.

- Ten years ago?
- Thirteen years ago.

Sexually assaulted six women,
probably twice that many,

all across the south. But yeah,

the court convicted him on
the four he raped and strangled.

- So what are we...
- We're going to visit him.

Those are for you.

Leach.

Wasn't he a total control freak?

Control freak, psychopath,
narcissist. It's all in there.

When he was caught,
how he was caught,

psychological reports.

So why are we visiting him?

Three weeks ago, just outside
Bristol, a woman turned up dead.

Yasmin Heaney.

She'd been raped and strangled.

Whoever did it used an MO
almost identical to Jeremy Leach's,

the details of which,
for obvious reasons,

were never
released to the press.

For instance, he used cable ties to
fasten his victim's thumbs together.

It's all in there. Even
the victim profile fits.

White, 32-year-old,
professional.

- But it can't be him?
- It's unlikely.

He's been tucked up at Her
Majesty's pleasure for the last 13 years.

He's not looking at
parole until 2036, if ever.

- So it's a copycat thing?
- Yeah.

Didn't he get convicted
over a single thumbprint?

Not even that.

It was a partial thumbprint.
But enough to get his DNA.

Did you catch him?

Well, it went across four
forces, including the Met,

but yes, when I
worked for the NPIA.

Crime Faculty, as was.

We got invited in. They were
desperate, they had nothing.

He was clever.

Nowhere near as clever as
he thought he was, of course.

They never are.

- So why are...
- He says he's got information

about Yasmin's death.

'Cause I went in from
the Crime Faculty,

Leach doesn't know I was
involved in the original investigation.

My name will mean
nothing to him.

- But why do you need me?
- I squared it with the boss.

Can you read in a
car without being sick?

I'd make a start.

We'll hit the hotel by 11:00,

we're seeing him at 9:00
sharp tomorrow morning.

I still don't know
why you need me.

I'm a Chief Inspector, I haven't
done an interview in 10 years.

Don't worry, I'll be there.

- Hiya.
- What's happening with our Dom?

Nothing. Why? What is
happening with our Dom?

He's been round here saying
that you chucked him out.

But I didn't chuck him out.

Hey, I'm not
blaming you, Rachel.

- I haven't chucked him out.
- Right.

Well, I can't put him up
'cause Tony won't have it.

Alison, I haven't
chucked him out.

We just had a bit
of an argument.

- Look, is he there now?
- No, he's gone.

- Gone where?
- I don't know.

I don't think he knew himself.

Has he been behaving?

He's not been drinking or...

No, not at all. It's one of the
conditions of his licence, not drinking.

He's really stuck to that.

It's just...

What?

Look, Alison, I'm away
for a couple of days.

I think I frightened him.

I told him he needed to
get himself tested for HIV.

Why?

He's... Hang on, Sammy.
He's what? He's done what?

The whore... Let's
get this straight.

The whore has kicked
him, your dad, out? Why?

Because in prison,
I think he might've...

might've sold his assets.

Oh, no way! He can't
keep his pants up, can he?

Right. Well, there
you go, then, eh?

Taste of her own
medicine. Bitch.

Sold his...

Can you work it out, Alison?

He's bringing an overnight
bag with him where?

I will. I'll call him, but
he's not homeless.

No. No. No, Sammy.
That is not happening.

He is not sleeping at our house.

Because he's got a key to
my flat, so he's not homeless.

Yeah, I know he's your dad,

but you tell him to ring me, I will
deal with it because he is not...

Yeah, I'll ring him, I'll
ring him. I'll ring him now.

No, Sammy, not
even on the settee,

I'm serious. I'm not
being mean, Sammy.

- Sammy?
- Okay. Bye.

Dom, it's Rachel.

Dave, Gill.

Look, our Alison's just rung me.

You need to give me a ring.

Don't worry about what I said.

If you wouldn't mind
being so good and kind.

Just get yourself
back round to my flat.

At your earliest convenience.

We can talk about this
properly when I get back. Right?

We'll sort things
out. I promise.

And will you ring me?

How come Leach even knows
about the similarities to his murders?

A local journalist made
the connection. Yesterday.

Who knows how,
he's a journalist.

First person he's on the
phone to is Leach's solicitor.

That's when the
shit hit the fan.

North Avon are pulling
together an SIO support group

which we'll be part
of later tomorrow,

with some of the biggest
names in the country.

SCAS, detectives,
forensic scientists.

At the risk of
sounding a bit thick,

why is this such a big deal?

Because if someone's out
there using Leach's exact MO,

it throws doubt
on his conviction.

It suggests it was never
him in the first place,

that the real killer is still out
there, which we know to be rubbish

but there's a lot of people
who think Leach's conviction

is the biggest miscarriage
of justice in criminal history.

Journalists, peers, the
tea and tiffin brigade.

Sadly, however, they're
not without influence.

If they can raise doubt and
grounds for yet another appeal,

it's not beyond the
realms of possibility

Leach could walk.

So, no pressure, then.

DCI Murray?

- Hello, hello.
- DC Bennett. North Avon.

This is DC Bailey.

- Rachel.
- Ed.

- Mr Leach?
- Yes, hello.

I'm DC Bailey, this is DC
Bennett. We're here at your request.

Before we start, I must tell you
that this meeting is being recorded.

Good.

I must also tell you that
you're not under arrest,

you do not have to
say anything to us at all

but anything you do say
may be used in evidence.

I know that.

I know that you've been advised
that you can have a solicitor present,

but I believe that you've
indicated that you don't want one.

- Is that still the case?
- Yes.

Could I ask why
that is, Mr Leach?

I would've thought,
given your situation,

that that would be advisable.

Is that a Manchester accent?

What would you like to
talk to us about, Mr Leach?

I don't know how much
you know about me,

my situation.

I'm assisting on the investigation
into the death of Yasmin Heaney.

You contacted the
incident room at Bristol

saying that you had some information
for us regarding that incident.

I didn't...

I didn't want my
solicitor here because

he has a son.

Alastair Jackson.

And it's becoming increasingly
apparent to me for some time,

and now I'm utterly convinced,
that he is the man you are looking for.

And I don't just mean for
this latest attack, either.

Desmond Jackson

approached me after I'd been
convicted. Several lawyers did,

knowing that I'd been
poorly served by the man

who'd originally
represented me in court,

knowing that I had been the
victim of a miscarriage of justice.

I know you don't
believe that but...

I took him on, Desmond Jackson,

because he seemed the most keen,

as well as being the most able.

I now have reason to believe

that he had ulterior
motives in approaching me,

motives that were to do with
contriving to keep me inside prison

once I'd been blamed
for what his son had done.

And what grounds have you got
for making this allegation, Mr Leach?

After I was convicted,

Alastair Jackson appeared
to become obsessed with me.

He wrote to me incessantly,
he even requested to visit me,

which I allowed
him to do, twice.

At the time, you see, I
regarded him as a supporter.

But looking back,
I realise now that

it wasn't me he
was obsessed with.

He was obsessed with the women
I was accused of having murdered.

He certainly knew far more
about them than I ever did.

I now believe,

from what he said,
that he knew them.

All of them, personally.

Well, don't you think
that's significant?

Isn't it true that most murder victims
are killed by people they know?

Now, I mean, I'd
never met this man

until sometime after his
father offered to help me.

And yet, it would
appear that he knew,

personally, the four women I
was convicted of having murdered.

I didn't.

So you're saying
that your solicitor,

Desmond Jackson, is fully aware
of what his son may have done

- and he's helping to cover it up?
- Yes.

Yes, that's exactly
what I'm saying.

Can you prove any of the
things that you're saying?

Well, I imagine I could,
yes, if I wasn't stuck in here.

He knew Yasmin Heaney, too.

He mentioned her
a number of times

in letters to me.

Would you like to see?

Yeah.

I've made copies.

Okay.

When did you realise this
about Alastair Jackson?

When I heard about
Yasmin Heaney.

It had been staring
me in the face.

For years.

And then the penny dropped.

Is there anything else you'd
like to say to me, Mr Leach?

I shouldn't be in here.

We have picked Alastair
Jackson up, by the way.

- Twice.
- Yeah.

I read that in the
information pack.

He did know Yasmin Heaney.

He spent rather too much time
in the library where she works.

You making your way
down to Bristol now, ma'am?

That's the plan.

Are you all right?

I hate these places.

I appreciate that not all of
you will have had the chance

to read the handout in any
depth, ladies and gentlemen.

So, whilst our victim, Yasmin,
is a main line of inquiry,

the nature of the attack,

the fact that it resembles the
Leach murders of 13 years ago,

have led us to focus primarily
on two main lines of investigation.

People who had access
to confidential information

during the original
investigation,

so that's the lawyers,
police officers, jury.

And people who had access to
Leach when he was inside prison.

Now, of the people we've
identified as most interesting,

perhaps the most significant at
this moment is Alastair Jackson.

Now, Jackson is
unemployed, a misfit,

obsessed with Leach.

An apparent supporter of Leach,

he visited him on two
occasions inside prison.

His father, oddly enough,
is Leach's solicitor,

so Jackson may well have had access
to confidential information right there

in his parents' home

at the time of the
original investigation.

His alibi

at the time that
Yasmin went missing

turned out to be an
elaborate pack of lies.

But still no arrest.

DCI Murray came across from
the Crime Faculty to help us

with the original investigation.

And she has, in fact, spoken
to Leach this very morning,

at his request, inside
Ravenhill Prison.

He himself is pointing
the finger at Jackson.

And not just for
Yasmin's murder, either.

Leach is suggesting that
Jackson was responsible

for the murders he was
sent down for 13 years ago.

I hope you don't mind me saying,

but if you're seriously considering
Alastair Jackson for Yasmin,

we're opening a can of worms, and
one which Leach will exploit to the hilt.

And frankly, in my book,

the fact that Leach is
pointing the finger at Jackson

is practically grounds
to rule him out.

Isn't there, like, a
really screaming flaw

in the whole basis
of this investigation?

Is there?

What?

Well, their two lines of inquiry
and the way that you're talking

are based entirely
on the assumption

that Leach is guilty
of the original crimes.

- Thank you.
- Cheers.

It's not an assumption.

He is guilty.

Yeah, but...

- What if he isn't?
- But he is.

Yeah, but if he isn't, then
the whole thing's skewed.

Rachel Bailey, Gill Murray.
We've got reservations.

Yeah, but he is. So, it isn't.

Fill these forms out, please.

I feel like you're not
hearing what I'm saying.

You've read your ring binders.

It was Leach's DNA at the scene.

His thumbprint on the pendant
of Catherine Maloney's necklace,

pressed so hard it was
embedded into her skin.

And at the time,

he couldn't account for how
else his dabs could have got on it,

even if he came up with some
convoluted rubbish about it afterwards.

- Yeah, but...
- His delivery schedule

put him at or near
all the murders.

We even had a witness who
ID'd him in the area of one of them.

All right, forget it.

Do you think he's a bit too
good-looking to be a killer? Mmm?

Did you ever see a
photo of Ted Bundy?

Think he was a bit too
good-looking as well?

To have raped and
murdered 34 women.

I didn't believe him, but I
didn't not believe him, either.

Rachel, are you serious?

- You'd let that man out?
- No.

No.

Well, yeah, if he's not guilty.

- Oh, God.
- What?

Bandits at two.

Julian McAndrew.

Writes for The Guardian
and The New Statesman,

one of Leach's staunchest
dickhead supporters.

- That was quick.
- It's volatile, I told you. Don't look.

I can almost understand
them not getting it but you,

you used to work in
the sex crimes unit.

You know rape isn't about sex.

It's about power and
control and humiliation.

He's a sick fuck,

and he can hide it better than your
average Herbert 'cause he's clever.

Clever enough to make someone
like you doubt forensic evidence.

Room 1703 and Room 522.

- Enjoy your stay, ladies.
- Thank you.

All we have to do... Well,
all North Avon have to do

is find out who killed
Yasmin and prove it fast,

before people like McAndrew
manage to turn it into something it isn't.

We know who killed
the others, Rachel.

It was that nice man you spoke
to this morning at HMP Ravenhill.

Well, all the
same, I think we...

I think they ought to look
very closely at Jackson again.

I agree with you, 'cause I think Leach
is trying to set Jackson up, which...

means he's involved.

It's not just someone who's copying
him, it's someone he's conspired with,

someone he's consciously
inculcated with his...

And he's arrogant enough to think
he can point us in the wrong direction.

Stick your bag in your room,
back here in five minutes.

We're going to
the incident room.

Ed!

- Hello, ma'am.
- Where's Mr Wallis?

He's driven over
to Abbots Leigh.

Another girl's turned up.

Same... Cable ties.

Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, it
was always a possibility, of course,

that Leach was behind
the whole thing, yeah, but...

But does it actually
change the investigation

if we accept that he's
pulling the strings?

No, no. Of course
it doesn't, but again,

it points the finger
away from Jackson,

given that he was so
keen to implicate him.

Look, Gill, I don't want it to be
Jackson any more than you do.

I mean, I know what kind of

unhelpful frenzy this
could set off in the media,

but we've got to
keep an open mind.

Yeah, of course, but this is
someone who was inside with him.

This is not a visitor,
certainly not Jackson.

This is someone
not unlike himself.

This is someone who
is capable of doing that.

Even with a copycat killing,

you don't go from nought
to 90 in 10 seconds.

Jackson's got no
criminal record.

You and I both know whoever
did this has got previous.

Jackson hasn't even
got a speeding ticket,

because he doesn't drive.

So, how has he got
that body out here?

You're absolutely right.

So, what haven't I done, Gill?

Could I ask how you're
prioritising interviewing

and eliminating the people
Leach has been inside with?

I mean prisoners, not
wardens and visitors.

Yeah, well, initially we're looking
at people who he was close to,

you know, in the
last five years.

People he spent time with, who
were released just in the last year.

I think you should be prioritising
your sexually motivated killers,

going back the whole 13 years,

- however brief their exposure to him.
- Well, that was discussed but...

I hope you don't mind but I
rang the clinical psychologist

I work with in
Manchester, Martin Hines.

He says this could be
someone Leach met in the toilets

for five minutes, once
a week, 10 years ago.

He'll have avoided being
noticed with this person

because he's got too
much in common with him.

He's persistently
maintained his innocence,

so, publicly, this person
would be anathema to him.

Privately, though, this is someone
he'll have identified really quickly,

then cultivated, then
avoided being seen with.

He'll have promised him
something. God knows what.

A spree together, if
ever he helps him get out.

Not money. That wouldn't
motivate this sort of sick bugger.

And he's so controlled, Leach,

this could be someone who was
released three or four years ago,

waiting for Leach to give him
the nod at just the right moment...

With exactly the right victim.

Leach knew that Jackson
knew Yasmin Heaney.

He mentioned her in the letters
that he wrote to Leach. Jackson did.

And she fitted
the victim profile.

Well, a couple of the lads did a
comprehensive list of everybody

that Leach was exposed to in
prison, going back the whole 13 years.

You know, do you want to take a
look at it? Suggest a new strategy?

Sure. Have you identified her?

There was a 30-year-old woman
reported missing in Bristol last week.

Jodie Winterbourne.

Thirty, 5'8", short dark hair.

She's ticking a lot of boxes.

Dark brown hair, 5'8".

What about it?

I fit the victim profile. That's why
you asked me to interview him.

Yeah. I thought he'd fall for you,
though, not the other way round.

- That's unethical.
- Sue me.

It didn't occur to me.

In fact, you were the
first Tier 3 I bumped into.

I asked where Janet
was, if you remember.

So, is this what you used to do?

Drop into other forces,
tell them what to do?

You don't tell people what
to do. You advise them.

I advised on eight
jobs in one week once.

- What, murders?
- Yeah.

Still, it's swings and
roundabouts, isn't it?

If I hadn't given it up, I'd
never have met you and Kevin.

So, he's been in four
prisons, had 58 cell moves.

That's a total of 3,426 inmates

he's potentially come into
contact with over 13 years.

Let's start with a list of those
convicted of murder and of rape.

- Thank you.
- Okay.

Then a list of those just convicted
of murder, 'cause let's face it,

how many times have we had...

someone who's raped and murdered

but the CPS'll only push
on the murder charge?

Tell me about it.

Then, third, a list of those
convicted of just rape.

Cool, yeah.

Ma'am, is it all
right if I make a call?

Yeah, of course.

Dom?

- Hiya.
- Where are you?

Your house.

Where have you been?

Nowhere. Just here.

Me and Alison have both
been trying to get hold of you.

I know. I'm sorry.

You all right?

Yeah.

I'm worried about you.

Sorry.

Are you eating properly?

Yeah.

What have you had today?

Toast.

Listen, Dom.

I love you.

I don't want you to be
embarrassed about what's happened.

I just want you to move on
and get your life back together.

Yeah.

You know, some of
the most horrendous,

violent murders that I've ever
seen have involved gay men

with other men in exactly that
situation like you were in and...

I'm sorry if you think...

Look, I wasn't overreacting.
Believe me, I wasn't.

Okay.

We'll work everything
out. All right?

We will, I promise.

Look, I want you to buy some fresh fruit
and veg with that money that I left you.

All right?

- Dom?
- Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, I've got to go.

But I'll be back
soon. Soon as I can.

Yeah.

I'll see you.

See you.

Forty-two killers also
convicted of rape now released.

Most of them
are elderly, past it.

Twelve under the age of 60.

The youngest is 38.

We need the crime scene photos

of the murders that each of those
12 were originally convicted of.

- Yeah.
- And we need to compare them...

- Ed?
- Listening.

With the crime scenes from
the present two murders,

Yasmin's and this latest
one, Jodie, if it is Jodie.

Yeah.

Starting with those that now
live geographically closest,

because every one of these twisted
sods should be out on a licence.

They'll all have a parole officer
they report to, so chances are

- it's not someone who's in Edinburgh.
- Yeah.

And there's another
thing I want you to do.

I want you to compare the photos of
Yasmin's murder and Jodie's murder

with each other, and then compare
those with the four Leach was convicted of.

And this time, I want you
to look at the differences

as well as the similarities.

I think they've focused on
the similarities too much.

I want you to look at what this
new bloke's brought to the party

that's nothing to
do with Leach's MO.

Something all of his own

from his previous offences
that's seeped through,

something he's probably
not aware of himself.

Right.

You've got four men
in your force area

who could be the
person we're looking for.

Three of them are registered with
their probation officers here, in Bristol,

but there's another one, a
fellow called Philip Martin Hibbert.

Uh, he's registered
at an address in Yeovil.

He murdered two
women 15 years ago.

Raped them as well, but he
was never charged with that.

He was released 18 months since.

The other three are
John James Wilkes,

registered at an
address in St Paul's.

Sexually assaulted three women
in Lincolnshire, none of whom died.

But one of whom the police
believed he'd left for dead,

so it was an attempted
murder, rather than a murder.

He was released four years
ago, originally sent down in 1997.

Hassan Abuzein, registered
at an address in Knowle West.

Sent down 1995, raped
and murdered his niece

in Southall, London.

Released from
Ravenhill six months ago.

Ashley Robert Boyall, ex-army.

Registered address, Easton,
released two and a half years ago.

Served 15 years for
murdering two sex workers.

That was in... Kettering.

We can widen the net, obviously,

if this doesn't give us
what we're looking for.

But I asked Rachel to
look at the differences

between Leach's original crime
scenes and the present ones

to see if there was any seepage,
things that didn't fit in with Leach,

but which did correspond
to the MO of these men.

We think this one,
the first one, Hibbert,

could be the man
you're looking for.

- Hmm.
- Show him.

Well, that's Yasmin Heaney,
and that's Jodie, last night. Yeah?

That's Heather Price, that's
Jane Reid, Hibbert's victims.

He dragged them
all there by their arms.

Which suggests they were already
dead when he took 'em there.

Leach didn't do that. He
killed his victims at the scene.

There are a few more
details pointing at Hibbert,

which we can go
through if you like.

Sorry.

Hello, Rick Wallis.

Yep.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Bye, now. Bye.

That was the lab.

Alastair Jackson's
DNA on a cigarette butt

we found at last
night's crime scene.

I'm just asking, before you
race in and make an arrest,

which, absolutely, if you believe that's
the right thing to do, that's your call,

but I'm asking you
to consider this.

We've been working on the theory
that Leach is setting Jackson up,

working with an accomplice
who is capable of rape and murder.

I'm pretty certain that same
person would be more than capable

of planting a fag butt, too.

I suggest that someone
in Jackson's orbit

has watched him smoke a fag, then
picked it up when he stubbed it out.

Who does he hang around with?

Jackson? No one.

I told you, he is an oddity.

He's a loner.

Someone, anyone. Where
does he go, what does he do?

We know he liked going to the
library where Yasmin worked.

Well...

The only thing was the
man who wasn't there.

- Who?
- The man who doesn't exist.

- Who?
- Don't know.

He didn't exist.

Yeah, Jackson's alibi. He said
when Yasmin was being attacked,

he was with some
fella called Tim Smith,

who he said worked for
Burton's builders' supplies

in St Bude's Road

and who lived
in a flat in Frome,

and who he said he got very
drunk with on the night in question.

So drunk, in fact, that he could
remember almost nothing the next day.

We had it checked out. We
checked it out thoroughly.

I mean, we checked every
Tim Smith in our force area

and in the surrounding four
force areas, and uh, nothing.

So where did Jackson go to with
this Tim Smith to get drunk, then?

Well, he said they drank at
home. His home. Jackson's home.

But there were no witnesses,

so no one's ever seen or
heard tell of this Tim Smith.

I mean, he did invent it,
so it makes you wonder,

why would you make something
up if you've got nothing to hide?

But you don't think
Jackson was off his face?

You think the whole thing's
a crap attempt at an alibi?

Well, that's what we
were left with, yeah.

What else did he say about
the man who doesn't exist?

How recently had
he got to know him?

Recent.

Well, what if Tim Smith does
exist, only he's not called Tim Smith?

And he sat with Jackson, let
himself drink himself stupid,

and left him rat-arsed,
incapable, alone,

and then he went off and
committed the murder?

So, how about sticking Hibbert
in a pre-arrest VIMS ID parade

and seeing if Jackson recognises
Hibbert but as Tim Smith?

Is it all right if I call you
Alastair, Mr Jackson?

You can call me what you like.

You probably will, anyway.

We just wanted to have a little bit
of a talk with you about your friend.

The one you told
us about, Tim Smith.

Have you seen
him at all recently?

No.

What we were
wondering, Alastair, is...

Do you think if we showed
you some photographs

you might be able
to recognise him?

Yes, I imagine so.

Why? Have you found him?

We think we might
be getting close.

Okay?

Now, I'm just going to
ask you a few questions.

First question might seem a bit
odd, but I will explain to you at the end

why I'm asking.

You told us that
you and Mr Smith

went back to your house
and had a few drinks.

I thought you didn't believe me?

About Tim Smith.

You said he stayed
a while, chatting.

Yes, he did.

Now, I know you told us

you don't remember much
about what happened later,

but if we were to come
round to your house with you,

do you think you
might be able to point

to anything he might have
touched while he was there?

He went through some of
my CDs. Is that any good?

Yes, I think that
would be spot on.

You see, if we can
get his fingerprints...

In fact, the glass
he drank out of

is probably still on
the floor somewhere.

Nice.

And are you anywhere
nearer to catching the killer?

Because you know what's
being said. Don't you?

In the press?

That whoever is
murdering these women

could have been the
killer 13 years ago.

My father and I have
been saying for years

that Jeremy Leach
is an innocent man.

And he's been talking
so highly of you, pal.

Would you like to come
this way, please, Mr Jackson?

Hello, Rick Wallis.

Yeah. He's identified Hibbert.

Jackson's identified
Hibbert! Let's pick him up!

Well done.

Stick with me, kid.
I'll get you into a fight.

Yeah, hold on!

Fuck.

Hello.

- I fell asleep.
- You did right.

Can I come in?

Uh, yeah. Um, I
was just packing.

I've just had a phone call.

It's bad news.

- Our Dom?
- Who's Dom?

No, not Dom.

I had a phone call from
the CPS in Manchester.

They're dropping the attempted
murder charge against Nick Savage.

I know, I know. It's...

Unbelievable doesn't
even start to cover it.

Well, so what are
they charging him with?

Nothing. They're saying
there's insufficient...

They're saying
there's no evidence.

They're saying legally,
there isn't a case.

So he's going to walk?

Well, he'll never work
as a barrister again

because of his
relationship with that juror

and I'm assuming
his marriage is stuffed

but yes, that's the
upshot at the minute.

He knows where I live.

I'd be very surprised if he
tried anything like that again.

- He's got keys to my flat.
- Change the locks.

You all right?

Stupid question.

Do you want the less bad news?

I don't know.

Do I?

They picked Hibbert
up two hours ago.

They found his phone,

they found a few other things
that could link him to Leach.

Anyway, he's confessed.
He's confessing.

He's talking right now,

mostly about Leach.

About how Leach coached him,
the things he told him he'd done.

The point is, Rick Wallis
wants us to talk to Leach again

to put it to him that Hibbert's
making these allegations.

They've only got us
for another 24 hours.

I said we would.

- What do you think?
- Yeah.

Dom's my brother, by the way.

He was at my birthday thing.

He probably didn't speak to you.

I was thinking about
that pig Savage.

You wouldn't really
want endless details

about your private life dragged
through the court, would you?

'Cause you know damned
well that's what would happen

if the CPS had pressed
charges against him.

Do you know what I really
can't get over is that I trusted him.

I loved him. I wanted to spend
the rest of my life with him.

Yeah, well...

Some people are very
plausible, aren't they?

Yeah, but how do you know?

How can you see through 'em?

Like this Leach bastard.

I did, I fell for it.

You can't always.

Look at the bugger I married.

It's not just instinct.
It's experience.

I think a large part of
instinct is experience.

So, you know.

I don't think we should give
up on your rosy future just yet.

Well, I sometimes
think I'm shit at this job.

Hey, if you're fishing
for compliments, lady,

you're talking to the
wrong small-minded bitch.

Why didn't I know
you had a brother?

Because he's a bit of black
sheep in a family of black sheep,

so that's going some.

What's he done?

Dom.

What hasn't he done?

No, he's just staying
with me at the minute

because he's a
bit down on his luck

and because he's
got nowhere else to go.

Have you arrested
Alastair Jackson?

No, Mr Leach, we haven't.

We charged a man
called Philip Martin Hibbert

with the murder of Yasmin
Heaney and Jodie Winterbourne.

Do you know him?

Phillip Martin Hibbert?

Yes, yes. He was in
Durham the same time I was,

on the same wing, briefly. Why?

Could you describe the sort of contact
that you had with him in Durham?

None.

And have you had any contact
with him since he was released?

Well, no, of course
not. Why would I?

Hibbert is telling us that you and
he became very close in Durham.

Well, that is not true.

That you had an
understanding. An agreement.

Ha!

Hibbert was an odd,
unpleasant kind of...

Just not the sort of
person I'd associate with.

That's not what he says.

Well, if he's implying
anything about me, then he's...

He's delusional.

Do you know when
Janet got stabbed?

Mmm.

I fell apart, you didn't.

I just stood there
shaking and babbling.

I'd only known her for 12 months.
You'd known her for 20 years,

yet it was me that
was falling to bits.

If I hadn't have been there,
you'd have done everything I did.

You had the luxury of falling
apart because you knew I wouldn't.

You'd have coped
if you'd had to.

I went home and
cried my eyes out,

but there was no way I was
going to do that there, then,

in front of you lot.

Plus, I remember thinking,

if this is the last thing
I ever do for Janet,

and I hope to God it isn't,
I'm going to do it properly.

That's where your head
would've been if it had to be.

And the fact that you beat
yourself up so much about stuff

tells me how keen you are
to learn and get things right.

You're good.

One day you'll be
very good. All right?

I made a really
bad decision once.

What?

It was when Sammy was four.

I realised way back then

Dave was mucking about
with another woman and I...

buried my head in the sand.

I was in love with the
man I wanted him to be,

not the man he clearly was.

And I ignored it.

For 10 years.

Pretended it wasn't happening.

And if I'd had the
guts to deal with it then,

instead of later, when I had
to, when he went off with...

Everything would've been
so much better for Sammy,

but for me as well, because
I'd have got myself organised,

so I didn't have to stop
working at the Faculty.

I was good at that
job, Rachel, I loved it.

I know I was born for it and...

I'd almost forgotten how
much till these last few days.

I'd forgotten how
alive it made me feel.

Have you heard the news?

Very pretty.

So, don't you think
that is like a confession?

Not exactly.

For someone like
Leach, a control freak,

being in prison's agony.

For all the usual
reasons, but on top of that,

you've got no
control over anything.

What time you eat, what time you
sleep, when you speak to other people.

He's done that because death is
the only bit of control he had left

after we took away his little,
carefully planned pipe dream.

That's all. But, you know...

Who cares?

Well done.