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What do you say?
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Alright, one more time!
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You know, it's been
two and a half years
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since we were able to tour.
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And we wanted to do some dates
this year just to see if, uh,
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well, if we still could.
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When I left the stage in Nashville,
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I was feeling alright.
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When I went into
the dressing room in Nashville,
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I was given another reality
by someone I trust.
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I had a conversation
with my wife in that room,
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where she had said, "It wasn't great.
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And I've seen you be great."
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Of course, then I heard,
"It's time to retire."
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It hurt my heart.
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So when I went back to the doctor,
I said, "I've done everything I can.
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And I can give you 100% of 80%."
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And he said, um,
"Is that good enough for you?"
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And I said, "No, you know,
I think it's time to retire."
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And he says, "I see.
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Now, we can talk about surgery."
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Live from Los Angeles,
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the 1989 MTV
Video Music Awards.
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Performing: Paula Abdul,
Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora.
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- Hi, everyone!
- Hello!
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♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
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♪ I walk the streets ♪
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♪ I carry my guitar on my back ♪
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♪ I play and sing for keeps ♪
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♪ 'Cause I might not make it back ♪
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♪ Lord, I've been everywhere,
oh, yeah, yeah ♪
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♪ And I'm standing tall ♪
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♪ But, baby,
I've seen a million faces ♪
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♪ And I've rocked them all ♪
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-♪ And I ride ♪
-♪ When I ride ♪
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♪ Dead or alive ♪
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♪ Yeah, I try ♪
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♪ I still try ♪
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♪ Dead or alive ♪
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♪ Dead or alive ♪
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♪ Dead or alive ♪
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♪ Dead or alive ♪
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♪ Dead or alive ♪
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Thank you.
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Thank you, God bless, bye-bye.
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Buenos Noches, Guadalajara.
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Muchos gracias.
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And it is true
that by, on your last tour,
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your last tour together,
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you guys were not even
talking to each other.
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-No, no, no.
- You had, right,
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you were mad at each other.
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It says it in your bio.
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No, no, no, no.
No, it doesn't.
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Yes, it does.
I just read it in their bio.
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No, you know, you have a bio...
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There was never a fight within the band.
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The press created the whole thing.
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It started in the English newspapers.
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I got it on the,
by the wonder of fax.
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And I'm going, "I haven't talked
to the guys in about six weeks.
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I wonder if the band's over."
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- You know?
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And I hadn't talked
to anyone to find out for sure.
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So one thing led to another,
and it started to get ugly.
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- Yeah.
-You know, and it was because
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we were all reading the press.
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I don't think that there was
ever a day where I'd said
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at that point,
I don't like these guys.
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I don't want to be in a band with 'em.
I... that was not the case.
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At least from my perspective.
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The burnout was real.
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The confusion was on 10.
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I, I just didn't know
what any of it meant
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or why this was even worth it anymore.
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There wasn't, you know, cursing
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and, you know,
middle fingers to each other.
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It just was not--
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I think we were just all burned out
from the last, uh, six years.
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- You were tired.
-Yeah.
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-You wanted--
-We never hated each other.
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We were just dead.
We were down in Mexico dying.
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Wait, it says, "Looking back,
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there was a lot of bad 'S'
that went down."
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- Yeah.
- Really?
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Yeah.
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We were sick of each other.
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There's no way you can't be.
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I always said, like,
when you get off the tour,
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it's like going in a train
that's going 300 miles an hour
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and then you jump off
and you kind of roll
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for a couple
of fucking months,
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you know, and you're rolling
and rolling
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and you finally clear
the dust off yourself
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and you stand up,
you go, "Phew.
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Okay, what just happened?"
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Well, I lived in a little
country house in the middle of nowhere,
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and, uh, I had solitude.
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I needed to go and be
a mechanic on my cars
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or paint or do something that's just me.
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Uh, I think we all rushed
to do that,
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to do as much as of our own,
find out who we are.
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And there wasn't really a certainty
of what we were doing,
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'cause we all kind of just went home.
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It was definitely a pensive time.
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The biggest, or at least
the most mysterious news of the week,
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was the secret wedding
of Jon Bon Jovi
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and his longtime Jersey girlfriend
Dorothea Hurley,
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which apparently happened
at midnight last Friday night
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at a quickie hitching factory in Las Vegas
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called The Graceland Wedding Chapel.
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Taking a step back,
you know, 1980,
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I started dating Dorothea.
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I was smitten.
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He was cute.
I always say I'm shallow.
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He was cute,
he had beautiful blue eyes.
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And, and I, you know,
kind of was attracted to him.
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You know, when you're young like that,
you're trying to figure out who you are.
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We were dating,
we were definitely a couple.
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We were together and like anybody else,
you're trying to figure your stuff out.
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And so you break up,
you get back together,
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you break up, you get back together.
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But I knew that he was going
to be something, you know?
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You could just see the potential
and the drive that he had.
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It is April 28th, 1989.
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We had just played
three nights at the Forum.
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I had the number-one album,
number-one single,
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And there was a big billboard
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out in front of the hotel of the band.
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And he said, "Let's go to Vegas."
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I finally needed a higher high.
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And then I, I said,
"Let's, let's elope tonight.
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Right now, right-right now."
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And so we went to Vegas and eloped,
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and then everything changed.
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It was holy hell from the minute
we started telling anybody.
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My parents, Doc, the band.
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You'd think people
would be happy for us.
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Well, we were more concerned
about, you know,
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like, "Oh, my God,
if you tell everybody,
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then it's gonna turn away all the chicks."
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You know, they're not gonna like you
anymore 'cause you're married.
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So it was like,
it's gonna hurt the career.
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Okay, we got one more question here.
What would you like to ask?
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Okay, um, is he
still seeing Dorothea Hurley?
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Is he still seeing--
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And if he is, forget about her,
'cause I'm, I'll take her place.
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Oh, there was
so much drama and backlash.
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People were not happy.
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Everybody was very worried
about what did this mean?
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And I didn't wanna be
the reason why, you know,
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Jon was not able to continue
in, in what he wanted to do.
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You know, we had to make
a decision that it was us,
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not them, that were
gonna make the decision.
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There was a lot
of broken-hearted young girls
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in, in, in the world.
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I'm a hopeless romantic,
you know, I, uh...
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- Oh.
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And-and she's
my best friend.
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We might've been the same,
but everyone else's perception
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of who Jon was, what it was,
was-- had changed dramatically.
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And so I went home
and I-I-I shifted gears.
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I just shifted gears.
I-I was still on overdrive.
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I was still on the,
"I'll prove it to you,"
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which was--
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But my strength and biggest flaw
is that "I'll show you,
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I'll show you, I'll show you."
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So I went home and I wrote
the Young Guns album.
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You know, I wasn't
gonna let anyone say
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that, "Oh, he had
to co-write the songs."
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I was like, "Fuck you,
I'll write the whole album,
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and they'll be number-one songs."
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Hold still, now.
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I met Emilio Estevez,
and he actually wanted
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to use Wanted Dead or Alive
in Young Guns.
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And I said, "Well, that's nice,
but I can write you
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something specific to the movie."
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So I wrote Blaze of Glory
to be in the vein
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of Wanted the way
they wanted Wanted to work,
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you know, in that slot
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but with lyrics that fit their movie.
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♪ I wake up in the morning ♪
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♪ And I raise my weary head ♪
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With this, I didn't have
to dig down personally
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and realize, "Who am I?" again.
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I just had to open up to page 110
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and say, "Geez,
Keifer's character needs a song."
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♪ I don't know where I'm goin' ♪
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♪ Only God knows where I've been ♪
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No matter what he says,
it could be about a movie,
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but it was very cathartic for him.
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He needed to get those songs out.
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- Action!
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I took a nice shot to the chest,
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and yeah, Jon is dead.
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Save to the board.
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We did Blaze of Glory.
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I saw it start to fall apart a little bit
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because I think Jonny wanted
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to go a different direction completely.
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Jon went to do a solo record,
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then Richie did his solo record.
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I was now recording
Stranger in This Town.
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I was having...
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this is what
that was paying for,
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me to have my artistic freedom.
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Uh, this man has sold
over 30 million records
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as the lead guitarist for Bon Jovi.
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And now he has his own solo album.
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It's entitled Stranger In This Town.
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Performing One Light Burning,
this is Richie Sambora.
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It's something
that I always wanted to do
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since I was a boy, you know?
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So it's like, uh,
it seems like 30 years
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of work to get to this point,
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to be able to actually have the privilege
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to do my own record.
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See, in Bon Jovi,
even when I write with Jon,
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I write for Jon to be able to sing
what he needs to be able to sing
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so he can get the point across.
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- Yeah.
-You know?
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So when I'm doing
my stuff, it's for me.
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It's in his best interest,
um, to do it by himself
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so that people don't think
I did it for him.
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There was always tension
between Jonny and Richie,
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not because they didn't like each other,
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but it was the competition
between the two.
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Just as being competitive people.
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♪ See my life going by... ♪
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Everybody wants
to do their own thing,
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to prove that their worth is more
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than the other person's worth.
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You started putting business
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in this brotherhood family unit,
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and you know that never works.
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What's the status of Bon Jovi?
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Yeah, I mean, we, you know,
we went through some problems.
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Every family has their problems.
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You know, everybody fights
a bit here and there.
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We're from Jersey, so, you know,
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we usually clear out
hotel rooms and duke it out.
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- Yeah.
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Yeah!
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It was really a rough time.
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It was really a rough time.
It was rough for everybody.
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You know, 'cause you go,
what's gonna happen here?
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Nobody knew what was gonna happen.
248
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♪ One light burning ♪
249
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Jon wanted something different.
250
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He wanted-- he's looking for something
251
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that nobody could find.
252
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Sometime in that time,
we took a motorcycle trip.
253
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It was just a lot of fun.
We were like a gang.
254
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And, and the rule was
we could only stay in motels
255
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that were no more
than $30 a night.
256
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Hello.
257
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So we stayed at, like,
258
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just local roadside places
and, uh, just had fun.
259
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Jon, are you enjoying
the petrified forest?
260
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Yeah, I'm being petrified.
261
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You know me.
262
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Mr. Excitement.
263
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Mr. Excitement.
264
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You know, and we
didn't know if we--
265
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I know it was a break.
We didn't know if it was a breakup,
266
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so we didn't know what was going on.
267
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We didn't know
if we was gonna come back.
268
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We didn't know.
269
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Ahh...
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Stop, do it again.
271
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Ahh.
272
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There's a,
a surgery that can be done,
273
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that I feel good about.
274
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I guess you'd consider it like
a facelift for the vocal cords.
275
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It's a way to get them to close again.
276
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These things
represent your vocal folds.
277
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I make a little hole here
278
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and put in essentially a shim
279
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on, probably on both sides.
280
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I'm very optimistic about it,
and I have nothing to lose.
281
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5:40 in the morning,
282
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on the day.
283
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Philadelphia never looked so good.
284
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And I'm rarin' to go.
285
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So let's get this on.
286
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I'm gonna close the door
for some privacy.
287
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The next day,
I go to see that doctor.
288
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You know, he says,
you know, "How do you feel?"
289
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They check
the pain levels and stuff,
290
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and he says,
"You can't sing a note...
291
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Nothing, three months."
292
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My next breakout star is a performer
293
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who already has broken through
294
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in one other entertainment arena,
rock music.
295
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It's Jon Bon Jovi,
296
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who has been a bestselling performer
since the mid 1980s,
297
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but now has emerged as a film actor.
298
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I think you chose a great color.
299
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I'm flattered that you like my ass,
300
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and if it's okay, I'm gonna
come back first thing
301
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tomorrow morning,
get this going, alright?
302
00:16:21,315 --> 00:16:23,775
Jon Bon Jovi provides both a fresh face
303
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and a fresh sensibility
in the movies today.
304
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So my initial foray,
truthfully was, "This is intriguing."
305
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It's a way to continue in the arts,
306
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but I was so green that I went to the set
307
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and take one, take two, take three,
and I went over to the director,
308
00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:44,505
and I said, "I'm sorry
that it's taken three takes.
309
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Uh, I'll be happy
to pay for the film."
310
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And he looked at me like I was crazy.
311
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And he said,
"It's how you make movies,
312
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you know, you do
more than one take."
313
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But I didn't know.
314
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There are not
many rock stars
315
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who make the transition
from music to films.
316
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-And, and you don't sing in these films?
-No.
317
00:17:01,438 --> 00:17:02,731
Do you have any role models?
318
00:17:02,814 --> 00:17:04,149
Frank Sinatra.
319
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He wanted
to be an actor
320
00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:09,821
because he saw this,
and I never got it.
321
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Hi, I'm Seth.
322
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Oh, h-hi.
323
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I didn't believe
in his acting career at all.
324
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I told him it a million times,
325
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which probably was a,
a non-starter for him.
326
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We had had a falling out.
327
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I was at one
of these award shows,
328
00:17:32,970 --> 00:17:34,555
and I'm in the back
of a limousine
329
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with him and his wife
and me and mine.
330
00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:40,227
And some words were said, and I said,
you know, "I want to do movies
331
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and I wanna write more soundtracks,
and this is easy."
332
00:17:42,688 --> 00:17:45,065
And Doc,
he was adamant about,
333
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"You're in a rock band, go do that."
334
00:17:47,276 --> 00:17:50,112
And something was said
to the effect of,
335
00:17:50,195 --> 00:17:52,155
you know, "If you want
to go do it, you should go do it."
336
00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:53,740
I said, "Okay, I will."
337
00:17:56,201 --> 00:17:59,329
It was a combination
of things that didn't happen.
338
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Just at the time, wasn't, wasn't gelling.
339
00:18:03,041 --> 00:18:06,044
Whether I, I didn't care enough
340
00:18:06,545 --> 00:18:09,464
or he-he was too pompous
341
00:18:09,548 --> 00:18:11,675
and, and what he--
where he was going.
342
00:18:12,593 --> 00:18:15,220
I don't know, I think it was
a combination of all those things.
343
00:18:15,304 --> 00:18:17,264
Whatever it was was not good.
344
00:18:17,639 --> 00:18:19,474
This is a rock and roll show,
isn't it?
345
00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:21,268
Yeah.
346
00:18:22,144 --> 00:18:24,021
Okay, well,
I just thought, you know,
347
00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:26,523
"Hey, fuck me, I just wanna know
when we're gonna go on."
348
00:18:26,940 --> 00:18:30,068
There was a lot
of unexplained animus,
349
00:18:30,152 --> 00:18:32,571
you know, there was like,
"Well, why do you hate me?
350
00:18:32,654 --> 00:18:33,655
And why do I hate you?"
351
00:18:33,739 --> 00:18:35,490
There-- and no one knew why.
352
00:18:36,241 --> 00:18:38,452
And, um, I let him go.
353
00:18:40,829 --> 00:18:43,582
Jon, early on,
354
00:18:44,166 --> 00:18:45,584
I think saw
355
00:18:46,752 --> 00:18:50,088
things in a much bigger picture
than anybody else did.
356
00:18:54,843 --> 00:18:58,931
He knew he wanted
to achieve X, Y, and Z.
357
00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:03,769
When you have
a manager that's that strong,
358
00:19:04,102 --> 00:19:05,437
you're always a child,
359
00:19:05,896 --> 00:19:08,148
because you leave it up to,
"Oh, talk to my manager."
360
00:19:08,565 --> 00:19:11,276
"Oh, he can make the decision," or she,
361
00:19:11,777 --> 00:19:15,155
and then, eventually,
you lose control of your life.
362
00:19:16,615 --> 00:19:20,035
I should have
been able to rectify that.
363
00:19:20,118 --> 00:19:25,082
And maybe I wasn't feeling
like I wanted to at the time,
364
00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:28,460
which is one of those
learning life lessons.
365
00:19:29,044 --> 00:19:32,339
It was those things that I realized
I gotta have somebody
366
00:19:32,422 --> 00:19:34,716
that's playing for, for me.
367
00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:36,802
This is the end...
368
00:19:36,885 --> 00:19:38,887
Let me just get
my own Christmas tree then.
369
00:19:38,971 --> 00:19:40,097
...of the beginning.
370
00:19:42,474 --> 00:19:44,476
I said, "What if we
just do it ourselves?
371
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,604
You know, what if I start
Bon Jovi management?"
372
00:19:47,688 --> 00:19:48,772
At the Argentinean?
373
00:19:48,856 --> 00:19:50,816
And so we,
we started BJM,
374
00:19:50,899 --> 00:19:53,443
with Paul Korzilius running it
on a day-to-day basis
375
00:19:53,527 --> 00:19:56,405
and didn't need a manager.
376
00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:59,032
But one of the main tenets
of Bon Jovi management
377
00:19:59,116 --> 00:20:01,577
was that this is not about
the commission.
378
00:20:01,660 --> 00:20:04,454
It's not about getting as much money
out of this as possible.
379
00:20:04,538 --> 00:20:07,249
It's about protecting us as people first.
380
00:20:08,876 --> 00:20:11,837
Paul Korzilius is the glue.
381
00:20:12,296 --> 00:20:15,966
He's a walking encyclopedia
of everything Bon Jovi.
382
00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:18,260
In the immortal words of Paul Korzilius,
383
00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:19,636
our road manager,
384
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,263
"We made it to the dance."
385
00:20:21,597 --> 00:20:23,557
We were A and R people in ourselves.
386
00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:26,435
And Jon was a,
a good businessman.
387
00:20:26,518 --> 00:20:28,562
So was I, at the time, you know?
388
00:20:28,937 --> 00:20:33,192
We were always involved
in business decisions,
389
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:35,360
merchandising design,
everything,
390
00:20:35,444 --> 00:20:36,486
you name it.
391
00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:37,779
Also, it was a big percentage
392
00:20:37,863 --> 00:20:39,239
of money we didn't have to pay out,
393
00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:43,076
which was advantageous
to everybody in the band.
394
00:20:43,493 --> 00:20:47,831
So I'm probably 28,
29 years old,
395
00:20:47,915 --> 00:20:50,584
thrust into this situation
where I'm-I'm now, you know,
396
00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:54,004
th-the boss of this big business.
397
00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:04,097
I had just gotten rid
of management
398
00:21:04,181 --> 00:21:05,974
and agents
and lawyers and them,
399
00:21:06,058 --> 00:21:08,268
so everything that I'd known
as becoming,
400
00:21:08,352 --> 00:21:13,315
you know, in my life,
um, was now gone, and...
401
00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:16,401
I realized change has gotta come.
402
00:21:16,944 --> 00:21:18,946
And that's when, you know,
the band had to sit down
403
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:20,572
in a room and talk
404
00:21:20,656 --> 00:21:22,199
and get on the same page again.
405
00:21:22,282 --> 00:21:24,284
'Cause that was no way to go forward.
406
00:21:24,743 --> 00:21:27,120
Th-that would've been the be--
that would have been the end.
407
00:21:30,624 --> 00:21:33,836
♪ Sometimes it's not for days ♪
408
00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:35,546
♪ The people I meet ♪
409
00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:39,466
♪ Always go their separate ways ♪
410
00:21:39,550 --> 00:21:44,680
We were as a band down,
uh, in St. Thomas last October.
411
00:21:45,264 --> 00:21:48,100
We went down there, just the five of us
412
00:21:48,183 --> 00:21:51,186
after a lot of the changes have gone on
413
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:54,398
an-and the redefining of our goals...
414
00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:57,651
Jon, and where he got
this idea is beyond me,
415
00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:01,363
um, to enlist a,
a psychotherapist,
416
00:22:01,446 --> 00:22:04,741
uh, uh, uh, somebody
who does corporate therapy.
417
00:22:05,951 --> 00:22:07,119
Lou.
418
00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:09,162
I thought that Lou was great.
419
00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:12,249
I had no problem because...
420
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:17,754
I'm one of those guys
that raised their hand in group.
421
00:22:18,172 --> 00:22:20,966
But I love the idea
of an intermediate
422
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:23,760
to sit in the room with us,
with nothing to gain.
423
00:22:24,094 --> 00:22:28,182
And that was a forum
for all of us to be able
424
00:22:28,265 --> 00:22:30,601
to talk from the gut,
425
00:22:30,684 --> 00:22:33,478
be honest with each other
in a safe place.
426
00:22:33,562 --> 00:22:35,981
I think that there was a little bit
427
00:22:36,064 --> 00:22:38,025
of getting over the hump
428
00:22:38,108 --> 00:22:42,613
of everybody being
the smartest guy in the room,
429
00:22:43,030 --> 00:22:45,657
to us collectively saying,
430
00:22:45,741 --> 00:22:50,204
"We are the only way
that this is gonna work out."
431
00:22:50,287 --> 00:22:52,289
It's going to take "we."
432
00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,917
I think that you can't have success
433
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,710
without that type of conversation.
434
00:22:56,793 --> 00:22:57,836
I think Jon knew that.
435
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,465
Richie and Johnny
are so full of, uh, songs
436
00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:03,383
and stuff that are just
jumping out of them,
437
00:23:03,467 --> 00:23:05,260
that I'm not worried at all
438
00:23:05,344 --> 00:23:08,180
about what
our new album will be like.
439
00:23:08,263 --> 00:23:11,183
Step by step,
I got their trust,
440
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,019
and we started to write songs
441
00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:15,521
for what became Keep the Faith.
442
00:23:15,604 --> 00:23:17,940
Well, we like the solo stuff,
but we like 'em together with the band.
443
00:23:18,023 --> 00:23:19,816
I think they make a good,
they make a good team.
444
00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:21,735
Let's hear some new music from them.
445
00:23:21,818 --> 00:23:23,820
I'm ready for it.
I think we're all ready for it.
446
00:23:24,988 --> 00:23:27,407
♪ Yeah ♪
447
00:23:33,288 --> 00:23:35,082
The songwriting reunion
of Jon Bon Jovi
448
00:23:35,165 --> 00:23:37,793
and his partner Richie Sambora
has produced Keep the Faith,
449
00:23:37,876 --> 00:23:39,878
the first Bon Jovi album in four years.
450
00:23:39,962 --> 00:23:42,381
I think that if anything,
this album was a, a, a bit
451
00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:43,924
of a soul cleansing for me.
452
00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:45,884
That record cover,
I think says it all.
453
00:23:45,968 --> 00:23:48,512
And it brought us back
to where we needed to be
454
00:23:48,595 --> 00:23:50,347
as, as people and friends.
455
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:51,682
We come together as a unit.
456
00:23:51,765 --> 00:23:53,725
It is the beginning
of Bon Jovi Management.
457
00:23:53,809 --> 00:23:55,227
It is turning 30.
458
00:23:55,894 --> 00:23:57,896
It's the second chapter
in the life of the band.
459
00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:00,941
♪ I got a heart ♪
460
00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:02,734
♪ And courage built ♪
461
00:24:02,818 --> 00:24:05,112
♪ And I won't let go ♪
462
00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:10,117
♪ What we need right now is soul ♪
463
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,910
I haven't asked
the all-important question yet,
464
00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:13,036
of course, have I?
465
00:24:13,871 --> 00:24:14,955
About the hair.
466
00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:16,456
Let's talk about your hair.
467
00:24:16,540 --> 00:24:17,624
-Oh.
-Oh, okay.
468
00:24:18,166 --> 00:24:20,752
Just naturally thought, you know,
I was gonna cut my hair.
469
00:24:20,836 --> 00:24:23,505
I had no idea it was gonna be
all over the television news
470
00:24:23,589 --> 00:24:26,508
and CNN and, you know,
like it was some kind of big deal.
471
00:24:26,592 --> 00:24:27,968
These are important questions,
aren't they?
472
00:24:28,051 --> 00:24:30,220
-Important questions, oh, yeah.
-Watching the presidential election,
473
00:24:30,304 --> 00:24:32,723
and then, "Did Jon Bon Jovi
have a haircut or not?"
474
00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:34,266
-Very important question.
475
00:24:34,683 --> 00:24:37,477
Keep the Faith
was something that's brand new.
476
00:24:37,561 --> 00:24:39,354
It's a, it's a fresh start.
477
00:24:40,147 --> 00:24:42,733
That band evolved
as they went along.
478
00:24:43,233 --> 00:24:45,944
They saw the world,
and they wrote about what they saw.
479
00:24:46,361 --> 00:24:49,114
It was stuff that mattered to them.
480
00:24:49,198 --> 00:24:52,492
What this one offered me,
in having more time off,
481
00:24:52,576 --> 00:24:54,286
was the idea that I got to live life,
482
00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:56,330
therefore, there was more to draw from.
483
00:24:56,413 --> 00:24:58,957
It's definitely Bon Jovi,
you know, and it's, uh...
484
00:24:59,041 --> 00:25:01,835
But we've just pushed the envelope
a little further, you know?
485
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:03,712
Thus far,
Keep the Faith in Europe
486
00:25:03,795 --> 00:25:05,547
has been our biggest record ever.
487
00:25:06,048 --> 00:25:07,549
Every day
you wake up and you,
488
00:25:07,633 --> 00:25:09,009
you sort of look in the mirror
489
00:25:09,092 --> 00:25:11,762
and you go, "Is this really happening?"
490
00:25:11,845 --> 00:25:13,222
No, it actually feels really great, man.
491
00:25:13,305 --> 00:25:14,765
We haven't been together
for a while, man.
492
00:25:14,848 --> 00:25:18,352
And we're out there
playing clubs and, uh, jamming.
493
00:25:18,435 --> 00:25:19,978
It's actually a really nice thing.
494
00:25:20,062 --> 00:25:22,314
The early '80s was the glitter,
495
00:25:22,397 --> 00:25:24,816
and then Keep the Faith was
the beginning of the grit.
496
00:25:39,498 --> 00:25:42,584
We appreciate you coming down,
for keeping the faith.
497
00:25:42,668 --> 00:25:45,629
Adios, my friends.
Be careful driving home.
498
00:25:45,712 --> 00:25:46,755
Good night to you.
499
00:25:50,884 --> 00:25:55,639
He also came to grips
with being Jon Bon Jovi.
500
00:25:56,139 --> 00:25:59,518
He had a lot of trouble
being him, and for good reason.
501
00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:02,020
You know, it's-- they don't
write that in the manual
502
00:26:02,354 --> 00:26:06,275
on how to become, uh, how to deal
with success and fame and,
503
00:26:06,358 --> 00:26:08,193
and the trappings
and everything like that,
504
00:26:08,277 --> 00:26:09,319
uh, go with it.
505
00:26:09,403 --> 00:26:12,948
You know, coming to terms with celebrity,
506
00:26:13,031 --> 00:26:16,034
coming to terms with having turned 30,
coming to terms with being married,
507
00:26:16,118 --> 00:26:18,996
coming to terms with having had hits
508
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,540
and saying, "Did I deserve those?
509
00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:23,166
"Did I really write
number-one songs?
510
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:24,293
Did they matter?"
511
00:26:24,376 --> 00:26:26,044
When Keep The Faith came out,
512
00:26:26,837 --> 00:26:29,006
we went to the next level
outside of America.
513
00:26:33,343 --> 00:26:36,847
You could sell CDs
in almost any country in the world.
514
00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:39,141
You could tour almost
any country in the world,
515
00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:40,809
which is why Keep the Faith
516
00:26:40,893 --> 00:26:43,228
turned into probably one of
the biggest tours the band's ever done.
517
00:26:48,692 --> 00:26:51,069
When we toured that record
as hard as we did
518
00:26:51,486 --> 00:26:53,488
and, and it did as well as we did,
519
00:26:53,572 --> 00:26:55,115
there was a real feeling
of accomplishment
520
00:26:55,199 --> 00:26:59,036
having entered the '90s
in such a great way.
521
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,204
You know, when, when a lot
522
00:27:00,287 --> 00:27:02,873
of our peers unfortunately
weren't doing as well.
523
00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:11,048
Next, ladies and gentlemen,
we have three fine young men from Seattle.
524
00:27:11,131 --> 00:27:12,382
That moment in time for us,
525
00:27:12,466 --> 00:27:14,301
so after all this,
you know, you came down,
526
00:27:14,384 --> 00:27:18,639
you dusted off your body going, oof,
527
00:27:19,431 --> 00:27:20,807
then all of a sudden grunge.
528
00:27:20,891 --> 00:27:23,060
Here, they are, Nirvana.
529
00:27:30,526 --> 00:27:33,237
Finally tonight, are you up
on the latest hot trend in music?
530
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,030
Are you into "The Grunge"?
531
00:27:35,113 --> 00:27:37,491
It is a raw, gritty sound born in Seattle.
532
00:27:37,824 --> 00:27:40,035
It's become so popular that
Seattle has suddenly become
533
00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:42,996
the country's new hot
breeding ground for rock stars.
534
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,499
It's true that there really is
a big Seattle scene
535
00:27:45,582 --> 00:27:46,583
happening right now.
536
00:27:46,667 --> 00:27:48,252
America was tough
for us at that point,
537
00:27:48,335 --> 00:27:50,254
because we were popular,
538
00:27:50,337 --> 00:27:51,630
they're alternative.
539
00:27:51,713 --> 00:27:52,965
They hated everything popular.
540
00:27:53,048 --> 00:27:55,968
Most people think that
a band like Bon Jovi
541
00:27:56,051 --> 00:27:57,386
is over with at that point in time.
542
00:27:57,469 --> 00:27:58,804
A lot has changed in the music world
543
00:27:58,887 --> 00:28:01,056
since the band's last concert tour
four years ago.
544
00:28:01,139 --> 00:28:03,767
The charts are now filled with country
and Seattle grunge,
545
00:28:03,851 --> 00:28:06,019
alternative rock like Dinosaur Jr.
546
00:28:06,562 --> 00:28:09,481
But Bon Jovi remains confident
of a strong comeback.
547
00:28:09,565 --> 00:28:11,233
One thing I, I don't want to ever do
548
00:28:11,316 --> 00:28:14,194
is be influenced
by current fads or fashions.
549
00:28:52,691 --> 00:28:56,278
So we are two weeks today,
550
00:28:57,196 --> 00:28:59,239
uh, since I've had the operation.
551
00:29:03,577 --> 00:29:05,537
I did everything
I could holistically.
552
00:29:05,621 --> 00:29:08,790
I did everything I possibly could
to get back to health.
553
00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:14,755
Lasers, acupuncture,
vitamins, collagen, exercise.
554
00:29:14,838 --> 00:29:15,923
I did it all.
555
00:29:18,926 --> 00:29:23,430
I sound worse than I feel, than I am.
556
00:29:24,181 --> 00:29:26,892
It's two weeks.
It's gonna take some time.
557
00:29:29,853 --> 00:29:32,481
This is good compared to
what it was a week ago.
558
00:29:33,023 --> 00:29:37,444
It was taxing to speak,
but I wasn't distraught.
559
00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:41,615
I do nothing.
I have coffee.
560
00:29:41,698 --> 00:29:44,201
I, I walk on the treadmill.
561
00:29:44,284 --> 00:29:46,745
I listen to cassettes
for three, four hours a day.
562
00:29:47,746 --> 00:29:49,665
The guys have all been checking in on me.
563
00:29:50,791 --> 00:29:52,751
And interestingly enough, you know,
564
00:29:52,835 --> 00:29:55,045
going through their own physical ailments.
565
00:29:55,128 --> 00:29:56,922
So it's interesting, like,
mortality has entered
566
00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:59,508
the, the, the frame for the first time.
567
00:30:00,843 --> 00:30:02,052
Did you see the Elvis movie?
568
00:30:03,846 --> 00:30:04,888
I saw the Elvis movie.
569
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:07,057
I loved the Elvis movie.
570
00:30:07,641 --> 00:30:10,686
I realized how many things
that I'd forgotten,
571
00:30:11,103 --> 00:30:14,815
but it was very conscious of in my career
that I had lifted from Elvis.
572
00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:20,529
And how many things in that movie
touched my life directly.
573
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,326
Lisa Marie came to see me
recording Young Guns.
574
00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:27,703
She was a kid.
575
00:30:28,078 --> 00:30:31,957
Priscilla had called me to do something
after he had passed, which I didn't do.
576
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,251
We met the Colonel.
577
00:30:34,835 --> 00:30:37,212
The Colonel said to Doc McGee,
578
00:30:37,296 --> 00:30:38,797
"How do you make any money
579
00:30:39,256 --> 00:30:41,091
on five of them there Bon Jovis?"
580
00:30:42,384 --> 00:30:44,261
Which I think is one of
the great quotes ever.
581
00:30:45,179 --> 00:30:47,055
And then you forgot how great he was.
582
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:49,016
But he was young.
583
00:30:51,476 --> 00:30:52,978
He was 42 when he died,
584
00:30:55,189 --> 00:30:58,233
and yet he could sing right till the end.
585
00:30:58,317 --> 00:30:59,651
Never lost his voice.
586
00:30:59,735 --> 00:31:01,278
Lost everything else but his voice.
587
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:15,083
I'd rather be me putting
the pieces back together
588
00:31:15,751 --> 00:31:18,086
than have been him
and burning out
589
00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:19,838
at 40 and being done.
590
00:31:20,631 --> 00:31:22,841
I've done a lot of living
between 40 and 60,
591
00:31:23,342 --> 00:31:25,385
and it's all been phenomenal.
592
00:31:28,931 --> 00:31:30,933
Alright, wanna go see the basement?
593
00:31:34,353 --> 00:31:36,021
I wanna find, uh...
594
00:31:41,235 --> 00:31:43,654
Those are Slippery When Wet outtakes.
595
00:31:43,737 --> 00:31:46,990
I have to be honest with you,
I've been archiving for a year and a half,
596
00:31:47,658 --> 00:31:49,326
and I haven't given it an hour.
597
00:31:49,952 --> 00:31:51,578
I've left it to everybody else to do.
598
00:31:52,538 --> 00:31:53,997
Having nothing else to do,
599
00:31:55,791 --> 00:31:58,502
I'm down with what's left
of the archiving,
600
00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:00,963
which is, in my case,
the cassettes.
601
00:32:02,506 --> 00:32:05,551
Here's a song that was lost,
602
00:32:06,426 --> 00:32:07,970
and it's called Cadillac Man.
603
00:32:08,053 --> 00:32:10,097
And Richie and I wrote this for a movie.
604
00:32:10,764 --> 00:32:12,558
It was a Robin Williams movie.
605
00:32:14,309 --> 00:32:17,604
It's a good song.
It should have, could have made a record.
606
00:32:18,188 --> 00:32:20,023
We-- this has been lost forever.
607
00:32:25,904 --> 00:32:26,905
There it is.
608
00:32:30,117 --> 00:32:31,159
Let's take it from the top.
609
00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,621
Take it from the top,
maybe this is it then.
610
00:32:34,705 --> 00:32:36,290
Not only-- that's in the tag,
611
00:32:36,373 --> 00:32:37,666
only in the tag is there's access.
612
00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:39,084
-It's not in the intro.
- No, no.
613
00:32:39,168 --> 00:32:40,169
Take it from the top.
614
00:32:40,252 --> 00:32:41,920
It shouldn't,
should do the same thing twice.
615
00:32:58,812 --> 00:33:01,315
♪ I'm the king of the road ♪
616
00:33:01,398 --> 00:33:05,485
♪ Ain't got no castle
or no place to call home ♪
617
00:33:05,819 --> 00:33:09,323
♪ See the world from
behind this old wheel ♪
618
00:33:09,406 --> 00:33:13,535
♪ Chopping away from the feelings I feel ♪
619
00:33:14,411 --> 00:33:16,955
♪ Desire cuts like a knife ♪
620
00:33:17,456 --> 00:33:18,916
♪ I'll leave you bleeding ♪
621
00:33:18,999 --> 00:33:22,002
♪ But I'll make you feel alright ♪
622
00:33:22,085 --> 00:33:25,088
♪ I love you but don't hold me too tight ♪
623
00:33:25,172 --> 00:33:26,840
♪ Don't put up a fight ♪
624
00:33:26,924 --> 00:33:29,176
♪ When these wheels gotta roll ♪
625
00:33:30,594 --> 00:33:33,055
-♪ Ain't nobody ♪
-♪ Ain't nobody ♪
626
00:33:33,138 --> 00:33:37,392
♪ There ain't no savior
gonna save my soul ♪
627
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:41,063
♪ And I've been searching ♪
628
00:33:41,522 --> 00:33:44,691
♪ For a rainbow and a pot of gold ♪
629
00:33:44,775 --> 00:33:46,360
♪ That's mine to hold ♪
630
00:33:46,443 --> 00:33:48,195
♪ That can't be bought ♪
631
00:33:48,278 --> 00:33:52,199
♪ Or can't be sold ♪
632
00:33:52,282 --> 00:33:54,284
♪ I'm a liar, I'm a lover ♪
633
00:33:54,368 --> 00:33:56,203
♪ I'm a lawyer's tongue ♪
634
00:33:56,286 --> 00:33:59,831
♪ I'm a trick,
but I ain't nobody's son ♪
635
00:34:00,165 --> 00:34:03,293
♪ 'Fore you get too close,
you'd best understand ♪
636
00:34:03,377 --> 00:34:07,130
♪ I'm a Cadillac Man ♪
637
00:34:18,183 --> 00:34:19,726
You know, for a song that was unreleased,
638
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:20,978
it's pretty good.
639
00:34:21,061 --> 00:34:22,104
It's complete...
640
00:34:24,273 --> 00:34:27,192
and a hell of a find for the archives.
641
00:34:31,363 --> 00:34:34,074
I think that that's gonna
make people very happy.
642
00:34:38,287 --> 00:34:41,665
Do you think
that musicians, songwriters,
643
00:34:41,748 --> 00:34:44,293
do you think you have
any responsibility to kids today to,
644
00:34:44,877 --> 00:34:47,129
to tell them like,
uh, you know,
645
00:34:47,212 --> 00:34:49,381
to participate in anti-drug messages
or that kind of thing?
646
00:34:49,464 --> 00:34:50,841
Do you think that's a real responsibility?
647
00:34:50,924 --> 00:34:52,384
Or do you think it's an individual choice?
648
00:34:52,467 --> 00:34:55,804
You know, I personally don't believe in,
you know, drugs.
649
00:34:55,888 --> 00:34:58,724
So I was asked, I said no, you know.
650
00:34:58,807 --> 00:35:01,143
I'd had a couple of minor bad experiences
651
00:35:01,226 --> 00:35:02,811
as a younger, younger, younger kid.
652
00:35:02,895 --> 00:35:04,688
So I really was turned off to drugs.
653
00:35:05,981 --> 00:35:07,107
Drinking, sure.
654
00:35:07,191 --> 00:35:09,193
Um, but I really didn't do any drugs.
655
00:35:09,276 --> 00:35:10,569
And I was the singer,
656
00:35:10,652 --> 00:35:12,613
so it would affect the singing.
657
00:35:15,115 --> 00:35:19,411
Uh, and in the meantime,
others were excessively doing drugs
658
00:35:19,494 --> 00:35:22,956
and, and alcohol to, to the point
where they had to get it together.
659
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,459
I was definitely drinking too much.
660
00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:28,212
And the band just said,
"Tic, you gotta--
661
00:35:28,545 --> 00:35:29,796
Look, you might kill yourself."
662
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,882
So I checked myself into a place.
663
00:35:32,216 --> 00:35:35,093
'Cause I intend to drink myself
all the way to Osaka.
664
00:35:35,177 --> 00:35:37,137
Al was the greatest character.
665
00:35:37,221 --> 00:35:40,140
He was a laugh riot and a great guy.
666
00:35:40,224 --> 00:35:43,060
Just a wonderful, warm human being.
667
00:35:43,143 --> 00:35:44,937
Unfortunately, Alec, you know,
668
00:35:45,354 --> 00:35:48,941
the particular drugs he was doing,
kind of burns out your mind a little bit.
669
00:35:52,236 --> 00:35:54,154
He caught a lot of shit from Jon,
670
00:35:54,238 --> 00:35:57,241
because he was, he was indulging a bit.
671
00:35:57,324 --> 00:35:59,826
I remember, like, having to go over
and, you know, "Oh!"
672
00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:03,163
Accidentally, I just kicked that glass
of whiskey over on stage.
673
00:36:04,248 --> 00:36:07,167
That was the first foray
into, like, addiction
674
00:36:07,668 --> 00:36:09,545
where, you know,
Alec went into rehab,
675
00:36:10,128 --> 00:36:13,423
because he was drinking
and snorting speed.
676
00:36:13,507 --> 00:36:15,217
By the early '90s,
677
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:18,303
Al wasn't in
a physical condition
678
00:36:18,387 --> 00:36:20,138
to, to continue on.
679
00:36:20,222 --> 00:36:22,474
I mean, here's the guy
that put the band together
680
00:36:22,558 --> 00:36:24,434
with the other guys.
681
00:36:24,518 --> 00:36:26,937
And here he was, like, he would
have to write down, like,
682
00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:30,732
the, the chords,
like A, A, D, A.
683
00:36:30,816 --> 00:36:32,442
You're like, "Really?"
684
00:36:32,818 --> 00:36:34,736
You know,
he wasn't able to, to keep up.
685
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:37,155
So we, you know,
we had to let him go,
686
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,491
and it wasn't
an easy conversation.
687
00:36:39,575 --> 00:36:41,869
And that's when it's
a bitch to be the boss.
688
00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:50,502
Hi, I'm Kurt Loder with MTV News.
689
00:36:50,586 --> 00:36:52,754
Up in New Jersey meanwhile,
Bon Jovi has just suffered
690
00:36:52,838 --> 00:36:55,215
the first personnel loss
in the band's 12-year career
691
00:36:55,299 --> 00:36:57,176
with the departure,
a friendly one he says,
692
00:36:57,259 --> 00:36:59,261
of bassist Alec John Such.
693
00:36:59,344 --> 00:37:02,139
He's being replaced at least temporarily
by one Hugh McDonald
694
00:37:02,222 --> 00:37:03,640
as the group continues work
on a new album
695
00:37:03,724 --> 00:37:04,766
in Bearsville, New York.
696
00:37:04,850 --> 00:37:05,893
That should be done by spring.
697
00:37:05,976 --> 00:37:09,771
Hugh McDonald was in the band
before there was a band.
698
00:37:19,865 --> 00:37:22,242
And I said, "Look, Hugh is
the guy, he's been with us,
699
00:37:22,826 --> 00:37:24,786
"and Hugh and I are
like bread and butter.
700
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:27,956
"We work together,
and, uh, he should be the guy
701
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,583
that takes Alec's place."
702
00:37:29,666 --> 00:37:30,959
Wake up,
this is your life.
703
00:37:31,043 --> 00:37:32,085
Ahh!
704
00:37:36,173 --> 00:37:37,633
In the studio, I existed.
705
00:37:37,716 --> 00:37:39,927
Outside of the studio, I did not exist.
706
00:37:40,427 --> 00:37:43,263
Alec played
to the best of his ability,
707
00:37:44,139 --> 00:37:47,226
but in truth, the man
behind the curtain was Hugh.
708
00:37:47,643 --> 00:37:48,852
The reason we became,
you know,
709
00:37:48,936 --> 00:37:50,938
such a better band
by the third album
710
00:37:51,021 --> 00:37:54,399
was because Hugh was
the one playing the bass.
711
00:37:54,816 --> 00:37:56,276
That famous bass line on,
712
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,988
on Living On A Prayer
was developed at his fingertips.
713
00:38:00,489 --> 00:38:04,159
The work that was coming out
was stuff that I was proud of.
714
00:38:05,494 --> 00:38:07,412
That was hard because I couldn't
715
00:38:07,871 --> 00:38:10,290
really say, "Yeah, that's me."
716
00:38:12,125 --> 00:38:17,047
I was never treated any less
by anybody in the band.
717
00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:22,678
It was strictly as far
as the public persona...
718
00:38:24,596 --> 00:38:26,014
I was a side man.
719
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:46,910
In '95, '96,
we were playing
720
00:38:46,994 --> 00:38:50,122
all the biggest stadiums
in the world, multiple nights.
721
00:38:50,205 --> 00:38:52,875
Uh, you know, I think it was
three nights at Wembley Stadium,
722
00:38:52,958 --> 00:38:54,418
things like that
around the globe.
723
00:38:54,501 --> 00:38:56,128
When he first
asked me to do it,
724
00:38:56,211 --> 00:38:59,423
I remember asking him,
"Am I doing the tour?"
725
00:39:00,090 --> 00:39:03,552
Then he said, "Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
726
00:39:03,635 --> 00:39:06,722
You're-- Yeah, you're doing
the tour, yeah."
727
00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:08,724
Are you able to rock and roll?
728
00:39:11,727 --> 00:39:15,314
We became like
a really good band by '94,
729
00:39:15,397 --> 00:39:19,359
and, uh, by '95 when Huey toured
with us, you know, we were,
730
00:39:19,443 --> 00:39:21,320
we were a kick-ass live band.
731
00:39:21,403 --> 00:39:23,447
On that note, help me out, Huey.
732
00:39:38,879 --> 00:39:42,299
♪ Mother, mother,
tell your children ♪
733
00:39:42,382 --> 00:39:46,094
When we did, uh, Wembley,
I see that now,
734
00:39:46,178 --> 00:39:48,055
and it's, it amazes me.
735
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,266
'Cause I couldn't take it
all in at the time.
736
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:53,727
It was like, "Don't fuck up," you know?
737
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:57,147
To sell out three nights
at Wembley at London,
738
00:39:57,231 --> 00:39:59,608
the last three shows ever
to be performed there,
739
00:39:59,691 --> 00:40:01,401
was absolutely monumental.
740
00:40:02,694 --> 00:40:06,323
♪ I am broken like an arrow ♪
741
00:40:07,157 --> 00:40:08,825
♪ Forgive me ♪
742
00:40:08,909 --> 00:40:11,328
♪ Forgive your wayward son ♪
743
00:40:11,411 --> 00:40:14,790
♪ Everybody needs somebody to love ♪
744
00:40:14,873 --> 00:40:15,916
♪ Mother, mother ♪
745
00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,085
♪ Everybody needs somebody to love ♪
746
00:40:18,168 --> 00:40:20,420
♪ Please, believe me ♪
747
00:40:20,504 --> 00:40:22,923
When you look out
at 80,000 people,
748
00:40:23,423 --> 00:40:24,675
it's a fuckin' lot.
749
00:40:24,758 --> 00:40:27,886
And then the energy of everybody singing
and then they're there for you.
750
00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:30,889
And it was, uh, it's awesome.
751
00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:35,727
♪ You gotta keep the faith ♪
752
00:40:35,811 --> 00:40:37,104
♪ Faith ♪
753
00:40:38,355 --> 00:40:40,607
And I remember, like,
Jon had a song, Always,
754
00:40:40,691 --> 00:40:41,733
and that was the big hit.
755
00:40:41,817 --> 00:40:42,943
It was a huge hit.
756
00:40:43,569 --> 00:40:48,156
Always to me was like,
"This was gonna kill our career."
757
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:50,659
And I was wrong.
758
00:40:52,411 --> 00:40:53,495
We went to all stadiums.
759
00:40:53,579 --> 00:40:55,122
We were playing like
giant stadium every night.
760
00:40:55,205 --> 00:40:57,833
It's like 70,000, 80,000, 70...
around the world.
761
00:41:06,466 --> 00:41:09,136
You realize that
762
00:41:09,595 --> 00:41:11,597
all these other people
have faded away.
763
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,476
For them, they're connecting
with the performer
764
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,729
and the lyric of that song.
765
00:41:19,897 --> 00:41:21,899
♪ This Romeo is bleeding ♪
766
00:41:23,442 --> 00:41:25,485
♪ But you can't see his blood ♪
767
00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:27,654
And it's a one-to-one thing.
768
00:41:27,738 --> 00:41:31,366
You can't fake that,
you can't make it happen.
769
00:41:31,825 --> 00:41:32,868
It's an organic thing.
770
00:41:33,702 --> 00:41:35,871
♪ It's been raining since you left me ♪
771
00:41:36,288 --> 00:41:39,541
♪ Well, I'm drowning in the flood ♪
772
00:41:39,625 --> 00:41:43,587
There's a difference
between playing an instrument
773
00:41:44,338 --> 00:41:48,050
and your body and voice
being the instrument,
774
00:41:48,133 --> 00:41:50,511
that is not only singing melodies,
775
00:41:50,594 --> 00:41:52,221
but putting out words
776
00:41:52,304 --> 00:41:55,182
and also acting out
the songs with your body
777
00:41:55,265 --> 00:41:58,310
so that the last person in the last row
778
00:41:58,393 --> 00:42:00,938
of the stadium feels like
you're singing to them.
779
00:42:01,021 --> 00:42:06,527
♪ Yeah, I will love you ♪
780
00:42:07,653 --> 00:42:10,614
♪ Baby ♪
781
00:42:11,865 --> 00:42:14,117
♪ Always ♪
782
00:42:14,201 --> 00:42:17,663
Lead singers make
a commitment to the narrative.
783
00:42:17,746 --> 00:42:18,997
They'll tell you that story.
784
00:42:19,957 --> 00:42:23,168
How are they gonna tell you
so it's undeniable for the listener?
785
00:42:24,461 --> 00:42:25,838
That's really hard.
786
00:42:26,171 --> 00:42:28,048
You're out there, you're naked,
787
00:42:28,465 --> 00:42:29,800
on the tight wire,
788
00:42:30,425 --> 00:42:32,845
and you, you better
fuckin' have it together.
789
00:42:33,512 --> 00:42:36,723
♪ Are memories of a different life ♪
790
00:42:36,807 --> 00:42:38,392
♪ Some that made us laugh ♪
791
00:42:38,475 --> 00:42:40,185
♪ Some that made us cry ♪
792
00:42:40,269 --> 00:42:43,605
♪ One that made you have to say goodbye ♪
793
00:42:43,689 --> 00:42:46,149
♪ What I'd give to run my fingers, baby ♪
794
00:42:46,233 --> 00:42:47,818
♪ Through your hair ♪
795
00:42:48,735 --> 00:42:50,779
No matter how big
Bon Jovi have become,
796
00:42:50,863 --> 00:42:53,156
they still believe
in the thrill of playing live.
797
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,159
Let's join the band
as their world tour hits Europe.
798
00:42:58,370 --> 00:43:00,539
Probably just a thrill
of the, of the chase.
799
00:43:00,622 --> 00:43:03,000
You know, just, just the idea
of can you do it again?
800
00:43:03,083 --> 00:43:04,751
Can you do it better
than you did it last time?
801
00:43:04,835 --> 00:43:06,503
We took 11 months
to write the record,
802
00:43:07,254 --> 00:43:09,047
and that's a long time
by our standards.
803
00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:15,053
We wanted it to be a,
a real cross-section of ideas.
804
00:43:15,137 --> 00:43:17,014
There's, there's an
amazing amount of stuff
805
00:43:17,097 --> 00:43:19,016
that goes into songwriting
when you're a team.
806
00:43:19,558 --> 00:43:22,186
I was the man that Jon talked to.
807
00:43:22,269 --> 00:43:25,063
I spent more time with him than his wife.
808
00:43:25,147 --> 00:43:29,026
Richie is, is
the perfect foil for me
809
00:43:30,068 --> 00:43:31,737
because we think alike.
810
00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:36,241
He knows when I can't
express myself, what I'm thinking.
811
00:43:36,325 --> 00:43:39,620
There was not a lot of people in his life,
and probably still isn't,
812
00:43:39,703 --> 00:43:41,246
that would be an honest mirror.
813
00:43:42,873 --> 00:43:45,292
Like I would tell him, I'd go,
814
00:43:45,375 --> 00:43:46,960
"You're gonna sing that, really?
815
00:43:47,628 --> 00:43:49,213
People are gonna throw shit at you."
816
00:43:49,296 --> 00:43:52,257
And I think that was one
of the, uh, parts
817
00:43:52,341 --> 00:43:53,759
that made us a good partnership.
818
00:43:55,969 --> 00:43:57,596
You know, people widely know me
819
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,266
as just the hired gun guitar player,
820
00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:03,435
but no, I write lyrics, melodies,
821
00:44:04,102 --> 00:44:06,021
come up with concepts for songs.
822
00:44:06,438 --> 00:44:09,274
Half of my job was
to not say that, which was fine.
823
00:44:09,358 --> 00:44:11,068
Whatever was gonna work for the,
824
00:44:11,485 --> 00:44:12,653
for the good of the organization.
825
00:44:12,736 --> 00:44:16,615
You have two totally different kinds
of singers in Jon and Richie.
826
00:44:19,743 --> 00:44:21,787
Richie was able to bridge,
827
00:44:22,788 --> 00:44:25,499
you know, not just being
a really good lead singer,
828
00:44:25,582 --> 00:44:30,087
but being this amazing singer with Jon.
829
00:44:30,587 --> 00:44:33,757
The spontaneity
between him and Richie on stage
830
00:44:33,841 --> 00:44:36,385
is first class, first class.
831
00:44:41,515 --> 00:44:47,020
Taiwan, Taipei, postcards from the road.
832
00:44:48,564 --> 00:44:50,858
One, two, three.
833
00:44:51,984 --> 00:44:53,819
In the elevator on the way
to the press conference.
834
00:44:53,902 --> 00:44:55,070
Singapore.
835
00:44:55,612 --> 00:44:57,406
- Bon Jovi!
836
00:44:58,490 --> 00:45:01,493
How y'all doing? Happy to be here
at the start of our world tour.
837
00:45:02,077 --> 00:45:03,537
Here we are, Bangkok.
838
00:45:05,247 --> 00:45:08,584
Ladies and gentlemen at home,
police escorts everywhere we go.
839
00:45:18,844 --> 00:45:21,096
I remember
the band coming together
840
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:22,681
during the course of the tour,
841
00:45:22,764 --> 00:45:26,602
and we were in agreement
that this is right,
842
00:45:26,685 --> 00:45:29,188
and, and the decision
that was made is right,
843
00:45:29,271 --> 00:45:31,607
and the record is right
and the touring is right.
844
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:33,233
And the way we're going about it,
845
00:45:33,317 --> 00:45:37,154
and the ownership of it
with self-management, it was good.
846
00:45:37,237 --> 00:45:39,489
And egos started to dissipate.
847
00:45:39,573 --> 00:45:42,242
We're very excited about
the tour, the new album.
848
00:45:42,326 --> 00:45:43,493
And, uh...
849
00:46:03,514 --> 00:46:06,558
Aww, look, look, look.
850
00:46:07,392 --> 00:46:09,770
Oh. Ohh.
851
00:46:20,197 --> 00:46:22,783
Steph was born.
She was the first baby in the band.
852
00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:25,285
She'd be on the road with us.
853
00:46:25,369 --> 00:46:26,954
Dorothea would be out on the road.
854
00:46:29,915 --> 00:46:31,583
When, uh,
Stephanie was first born,
855
00:46:31,667 --> 00:46:33,752
she was three weeks old
and she had a passport.
856
00:46:33,836 --> 00:46:36,630
But when she-- he was touring America,
we made a decision
857
00:46:36,713 --> 00:46:38,632
that, you know, we wanted
the family to be together.
858
00:46:38,715 --> 00:46:40,300
And that I took her on the road.
859
00:46:41,051 --> 00:46:43,136
I think that he liked
having the kids there.
860
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:45,597
I know that it made him happy
to have his family with him.
861
00:46:49,434 --> 00:46:53,188
My kids saw, like, 50 countries
by the time they were two.
862
00:46:53,981 --> 00:46:55,274
You know,
'cause you just brought 'em,
863
00:46:55,357 --> 00:46:57,025
once we could tour, you know,
we all had our family
864
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:58,569
and brought these little babies around,
865
00:46:58,986 --> 00:47:00,571
and, uh, until they went to school.
866
00:47:05,951 --> 00:47:07,077
Well, we grew up.
867
00:47:08,287 --> 00:47:11,331
Everybody had kids,
got married, things went down.
868
00:47:11,832 --> 00:47:15,002
Uh, it definitely was different
than the '80s.
869
00:47:15,085 --> 00:47:16,211
-Daddy, can I see?
- Yeah.
870
00:47:16,295 --> 00:47:18,672
It was the polar opposite
of the '80s,
871
00:47:18,755 --> 00:47:20,340
but it was like just a different phase.
872
00:47:20,674 --> 00:47:22,342
Do you see you upside down?
873
00:47:22,426 --> 00:47:24,011
-Uh-huh.
874
00:47:27,723 --> 00:47:29,641
The ball
is beginning to move.
875
00:47:30,058 --> 00:47:31,185
They can feel it.
876
00:47:31,518 --> 00:47:33,478
In 47 seconds,
877
00:47:34,188 --> 00:47:37,107
it will be 2000.
878
00:47:38,066 --> 00:47:41,987
In 10, nine, eight, seven,
879
00:47:42,070 --> 00:47:44,489
six, five, four,
880
00:47:44,573 --> 00:47:47,242
three, two, one,
881
00:47:47,326 --> 00:47:49,203
happy 2000!
882
00:47:51,163 --> 00:47:52,831
A rebirth happens again.
883
00:47:52,915 --> 00:47:55,709
Bon Jovi hasn't released
a studio album in five years,
884
00:47:55,792 --> 00:47:57,419
but the boys from Jersey are back.
885
00:47:58,253 --> 00:47:59,922
It feels great to be
contemporary again, you know?
886
00:48:00,005 --> 00:48:01,381
I mean, we really never
went away actually.
887
00:48:01,465 --> 00:48:02,508
- No.
-You know?
888
00:48:02,591 --> 00:48:03,926
Just making good music,
that's it.
889
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,887
The look, the sound.
890
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:09,890
I mean, the music business
has changed dramatically.
891
00:48:10,933 --> 00:48:13,227
And then 2000 happened,
and, you know,
892
00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:15,896
It's My Life is-- we're the biggest thing
on the planet again.
893
00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:18,690
And everybody's like, "They're back!"
and we're like, "We never went away."
894
00:48:26,573 --> 00:48:30,661
♪ This ain't a song
for the broken-hearted ♪
895
00:48:32,704 --> 00:48:35,999
Oh, we are up and running
on the World Wide Web.
896
00:48:36,083 --> 00:48:37,167
Hello, everybody.
897
00:48:37,251 --> 00:48:40,170
Last night, Bon Jovi
webcast a live performance
898
00:48:40,254 --> 00:48:42,589
to celebrate
their upcoming CD, Crush.
899
00:48:43,590 --> 00:48:45,717
What I think
this record says quite simply
900
00:48:45,801 --> 00:48:49,221
is A, we're having fun,
but B, we're comfortable in our shoes.
901
00:48:49,304 --> 00:48:50,973
♪ Shout it out loud ♪
902
00:48:51,723 --> 00:48:54,226
♪ It's my life ♪
903
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:56,645
♪ It's now or never ♪
904
00:48:57,521 --> 00:49:00,816
♪ I ain't gonna live forever ♪
905
00:49:01,275 --> 00:49:03,277
But it's a song called It's My Life
906
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,905
that once again changes
the landscape for the band.
907
00:49:06,989 --> 00:49:08,448
We're on the top
of the charts
908
00:49:08,532 --> 00:49:10,325
filling up stadiums,
909
00:49:10,409 --> 00:49:12,244
and we were at that next level.
910
00:49:12,786 --> 00:49:15,956
Jon and I were 38 years old, you know,
we were just about looking at 40,
911
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,792
which you're like,
at that time is an old man.
912
00:49:18,876 --> 00:49:20,377
You know, you're like,
"Oh, my God, 40."
913
00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:23,088
That is, like,
another Bon Jovi anthem.
914
00:49:23,547 --> 00:49:25,007
And it's positive.
915
00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:27,009
It's My Life didn't sound like anything
that came before it.
916
00:49:27,676 --> 00:49:30,262
And it, and it gives life to a band
917
00:49:30,345 --> 00:49:32,514
that is different from the pack.
918
00:49:32,598 --> 00:49:36,602
♪ This is for ones
who stood their ground ♪
919
00:49:38,145 --> 00:49:40,939
It's My Life led
a whole new generation of,
920
00:49:41,023 --> 00:49:43,483
of fans into the,
into the band.
921
00:49:44,234 --> 00:49:46,320
People that thought that
Crush was the first record.
922
00:49:46,403 --> 00:49:49,239
We have
a whole new generation of fans
923
00:49:49,323 --> 00:49:53,035
that didn't know anything exists,
existed before It's My Life.
924
00:49:53,118 --> 00:49:55,454
We just wanted to,
you know, get out there again
925
00:49:55,537 --> 00:49:57,956
and be who we were in a,
926
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,126
in a contemporary kind of a way.
927
00:50:01,210 --> 00:50:04,046
♪ It's my life ♪
928
00:50:16,683 --> 00:50:19,269
We were writing songs
for what became Bounce.
929
00:50:19,353 --> 00:50:22,022
Um, it was meant to be, uh...
930
00:50:23,482 --> 00:50:26,777
an extension of Crush,
but it became something more.
931
00:50:27,361 --> 00:50:31,156
Um, Richie was at my house
in New Jersey.
932
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,325
I remember I was in the gym that morning.
933
00:50:33,408 --> 00:50:34,743
It was a beautiful Tuesday.
934
00:50:34,826 --> 00:50:38,622
Everybody that was here knows
the sky was so blue
935
00:50:38,705 --> 00:50:41,834
and crystal clear, and it was
a gorgeous September day.
936
00:50:41,917 --> 00:50:43,627
And, you know, it was that morning
937
00:50:43,710 --> 00:50:46,338
and I was intending to,
to just get together with Richie,
938
00:50:46,421 --> 00:50:47,714
wake him up in a couple hours, write.
939
00:50:47,798 --> 00:50:49,174
I took the kids to school.
940
00:50:50,467 --> 00:50:51,760
-Crash.
941
00:50:51,844 --> 00:50:53,428
This just in,
you were looking at,
942
00:50:53,512 --> 00:50:55,764
obviously a very
disturbing live shot there.
943
00:50:55,848 --> 00:50:57,558
That is the World Trade Center...
944
00:50:57,641 --> 00:50:59,601
Growing up here,
you, you saw
945
00:50:59,685 --> 00:51:01,353
the smoke rising
from the towers.
946
00:51:01,436 --> 00:51:03,146
You knew people, like I'd said,
947
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:04,773
these, these were your neighbors.
948
00:51:05,315 --> 00:51:06,900
These were my people.
949
00:51:10,237 --> 00:51:12,948
So we came together
in those early days when you--
950
00:51:13,031 --> 00:51:14,992
the telethon was coming together
and I was asked,
951
00:51:15,075 --> 00:51:16,076
and we didn't hesitate.
952
00:51:17,327 --> 00:51:18,662
Thank you so much.
953
00:51:18,745 --> 00:51:21,373
Everybody watching on TV,
call that telephone number.
954
00:51:21,456 --> 00:51:23,000
We'll see you,
enjoy the rest of the night.
955
00:51:23,083 --> 00:51:24,376
-God bless you all.
956
00:51:24,459 --> 00:51:26,670
Obviously, both of you
being from New Jersey,
957
00:51:26,753 --> 00:51:31,341
you were incredibly affected
by, by September 11th.
958
00:51:31,425 --> 00:51:33,427
And I know that some of the songs
959
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:35,304
on this new album, Bounce,
960
00:51:35,387 --> 00:51:36,513
which comes out next month...
961
00:51:36,597 --> 00:51:38,640
- Right.
-...October 8th I believe, is that right?
962
00:51:38,724 --> 00:51:41,643
Um, actually deal with
the events of September 11th.
963
00:51:41,727 --> 00:51:44,646
Sure, as writers, I think
we'd be remiss not to write
964
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:46,398
about what happened
in our own backyard.
965
00:51:46,732 --> 00:51:50,319
Bounce, of course,
not an easy record to write.
966
00:51:50,402 --> 00:51:52,321
You know, we were
gonna bounce back as a,
967
00:51:52,404 --> 00:51:54,615
as a country, as a people.
968
00:51:55,157 --> 00:51:57,451
The first songs
that we sat down to write
969
00:51:57,534 --> 00:52:01,705
with regards to 9/11 were,
um, very, very sad.
970
00:52:01,788 --> 00:52:04,124
You know, songs that,
that weren't even ever demoed
971
00:52:04,208 --> 00:52:06,168
that probably will never get
out of the notebook.
972
00:52:06,251 --> 00:52:09,296
And, uh, and that's why
the songs that did make it
973
00:52:09,379 --> 00:52:12,591
regarding 9/11 are those of optimism
974
00:52:12,674 --> 00:52:14,676
and hope in the face of adversity.
975
00:52:37,616 --> 00:52:39,785
A real career has
its ups and downs.
976
00:52:39,868 --> 00:52:40,953
I get all that.
977
00:52:41,495 --> 00:52:42,621
You come back from injury,
978
00:52:42,704 --> 00:52:45,457
and you-you-you persevere
or you don't, right?
979
00:52:45,958 --> 00:52:47,000
So...
980
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:50,754
the end of our story
won't be that I didn't try.
981
00:52:57,010 --> 00:52:59,471
And I'm-I'm-I'm optimistic,
but I'm scared.
982
00:53:13,068 --> 00:53:15,612
You know, I haven't sung
a song in five months.
983
00:53:18,574 --> 00:53:19,908
You can't play the Super Bowl
984
00:53:19,992 --> 00:53:22,661
when it's the first day of practice.
985
00:53:24,663 --> 00:53:28,584
But... I'm happy I did the surgery.
986
00:53:28,667 --> 00:53:30,043
I'm really, uh,
you know, I'm good with it.
987
00:53:30,127 --> 00:53:31,420
I'm-I'm totally good with it.
988
00:53:33,088 --> 00:53:34,089
Happy I did it.
989
00:53:47,811 --> 00:53:49,897
I can tell you with certainty
990
00:53:50,355 --> 00:53:52,065
that I'm feeling good these days,
991
00:53:52,149 --> 00:53:53,650
which is, which is great.
992
00:53:53,734 --> 00:53:55,235
I might not be feeling as good physically,
993
00:53:55,319 --> 00:53:58,739
but mentally, um, I'm good.
994
00:54:00,782 --> 00:54:03,202
I never want to go back
in that dark cave again.
995
00:54:03,285 --> 00:54:07,039
You know, the-the-the fear
and the anxiety
996
00:54:07,122 --> 00:54:10,751
and the pain and everything.
997
00:54:12,085 --> 00:54:14,505
I never want to go back
into that cave again.
998
00:54:14,588 --> 00:54:15,589
Never.
999
00:54:21,762 --> 00:54:22,804
One, two.
1000
00:54:38,737 --> 00:54:41,573
♪ Ever since there was thunder ♪
1001
00:54:42,032 --> 00:54:45,410
♪ There's been shelter from the storm ♪
1002
00:54:46,537 --> 00:54:50,040
♪ A place you'd run for cover ♪
1003
00:54:50,457 --> 00:54:54,127
♪ 'Til the rainclouds had moved on ♪
1004
00:54:54,753 --> 00:54:57,589
♪ When I get that feeling ♪
1005
00:54:58,048 --> 00:55:01,510
♪ Before the first drop hits the ground ♪
1006
00:55:01,593 --> 00:55:05,472
♪ I'm asking who's gonna stop the rain ♪
1007
00:55:05,556 --> 00:55:08,225
♪ From falling down ♪
1008
00:55:09,059 --> 00:55:11,103
I think that there's progress,
which, you know,
1009
00:55:11,186 --> 00:55:12,771
I'm optimistic about.
1010
00:55:12,855 --> 00:55:14,106
There is progress.
1011
00:55:14,439 --> 00:55:17,901
I have the utmost confidence
in, in the doctor
1012
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,071
and his vocal therapists.
1013
00:55:21,446 --> 00:55:23,782
I wish that it was a light switch.
1014
00:55:23,866 --> 00:55:26,910
I wish that he'd flick the switch
and because I was a good boy
1015
00:55:26,994 --> 00:55:28,996
and I did the surgery
that I'm healed.
1016
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:30,122
Ta-da!
1017
00:55:30,581 --> 00:55:34,042
♪ Wherever there is hurtin' ♪
1018
00:55:34,126 --> 00:55:37,629
♪ There is healing on the way ♪
1019
00:55:38,338 --> 00:55:41,550
♪ Like sunshine breaking through ♪
1020
00:55:41,633 --> 00:55:44,386
♪ A cloudy day ♪
1021
00:55:45,304 --> 00:55:48,807
There's moments where you go,
"Whoa, there's the kid,"
1022
00:55:48,891 --> 00:55:52,102
you know,
there's the 20-years-ago voice.
1023
00:55:52,477 --> 00:55:53,604
It's in there.
1024
00:55:53,687 --> 00:55:56,648
So, and then it gets very tired,
1025
00:55:56,732 --> 00:55:58,317
during the course
of the day or at night.
1026
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,694
Um, but the process is good.
1027
00:56:00,777 --> 00:56:02,654
I think the prognosis is good.
1028
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,657
No matter how it turns out,
1029
00:56:06,617 --> 00:56:09,036
I'll be satisfied in my heart
1030
00:56:09,703 --> 00:56:12,164
that, uh, the decision I made was right.
1031
00:56:12,247 --> 00:56:15,000
And if God forbid it,
it-it doesn't work out,
1032
00:56:15,459 --> 00:56:17,461
I'll know that I did everything.
1033
00:56:17,544 --> 00:56:18,837
That didn't suck.
1034
00:56:19,338 --> 00:56:22,299
And had good people around me
to, to try to make it work.
1035
00:56:23,383 --> 00:56:24,426
Okay.
1036
00:56:36,647 --> 00:56:38,357
Phew, that's enough of that.
1037
00:56:44,613 --> 00:56:46,240
We're five kids from Jersey.
1038
00:56:46,323 --> 00:56:48,242
We're not really,
uh, quote-unquote
1039
00:56:48,325 --> 00:56:49,451
"The Untouchable Rock Stars."
1040
00:56:49,535 --> 00:56:50,994
We just didn't play
anyone else's game.
1041
00:56:51,078 --> 00:56:53,205
There's a very,
very rebellious attitude on this record.
1042
00:56:53,288 --> 00:56:54,831
There is an optimism that
runs through it
1043
00:56:54,915 --> 00:56:56,583
because I'd like to see
the brighter side of things.
1044
00:56:56,667 --> 00:56:57,876
This record is the next step.
1045
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,837
Everybody says
it's our best record we've ever done.
1046
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:00,921
It could possibly be.
1047
00:57:04,216 --> 00:57:06,969
2004, the introduction to, to Shanks
1048
00:57:07,052 --> 00:57:09,805
as a producer, collaborator.
1049
00:57:09,888 --> 00:57:11,181
John Shanks interview.
1050
00:57:11,265 --> 00:57:12,516
-Take one, marker.
1051
00:57:14,184 --> 00:57:16,019
And I just felt like, "Okay,
1052
00:57:16,103 --> 00:57:19,022
time to move on
yet again with producers."
1053
00:57:19,439 --> 00:57:21,275
When Jon first called me
1054
00:57:21,358 --> 00:57:24,903
and he was like, "You wanna produce
the record and write with us?"
1055
00:57:24,987 --> 00:57:26,905
I knew what I was walking into.
1056
00:57:26,989 --> 00:57:29,533
John Shanks brought technology,
1057
00:57:29,616 --> 00:57:32,870
a ridiculous amount of musical knowledge.
1058
00:57:32,953 --> 00:57:34,788
It seems like he could play everything.
1059
00:57:34,872 --> 00:57:37,666
He listens
to every record that ever was
1060
00:57:37,749 --> 00:57:39,501
and knows, like,
all the recording techniques.
1061
00:57:39,585 --> 00:57:41,044
He had recently been named
1062
00:57:41,128 --> 00:57:43,463
Producer of the Year at the Grammys.
1063
00:57:43,547 --> 00:57:46,758
There's an art in what Richie does,
1064
00:57:46,842 --> 00:57:48,552
and did, the two of them.
1065
00:57:49,011 --> 00:57:51,930
Now what's amazing
is when now you cut to the studio
1066
00:57:52,014 --> 00:57:53,932
and you're recording those guys,
1067
00:57:54,016 --> 00:57:56,101
you can see sound waves.
1068
00:57:56,185 --> 00:57:59,771
So they go, you know,
♪ Yeah ♪
1069
00:57:59,855 --> 00:58:00,981
And their vibrato.
1070
00:58:01,064 --> 00:58:05,819
Now their vibratos
would literally go...
1071
00:58:06,653 --> 00:58:09,072
So these are two guys
that have obviously sung together
1072
00:58:09,156 --> 00:58:11,491
for many, many, many, many years.
1073
00:58:11,575 --> 00:58:13,410
There is definitely a magic there.
1074
00:58:13,869 --> 00:58:17,748
He's a great guy. But it was
a-a-a different kind of a style,
1075
00:58:17,831 --> 00:58:22,544
producer, a guitar player,
um, a gadget guy, you know?
1076
00:58:22,628 --> 00:58:25,881
So him and Richie, um, were able
to complement each other.
1077
00:58:26,340 --> 00:58:29,134
As the new guy, you know,
do I say what I think?
1078
00:58:29,218 --> 00:58:30,302
Do I say what I feel?
1079
00:58:30,385 --> 00:58:33,889
Which is, you know,
"Maybe let's try something different."
1080
00:58:33,972 --> 00:58:36,266
And at some point,
I just was, I took the risk,
1081
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:38,393
and I said,
"You know, can we write a,
1082
00:58:38,769 --> 00:58:40,604
can we write a Bon Jovi song?"
1083
00:58:40,687 --> 00:58:42,898
And I just kind of started playing
1084
00:58:42,981 --> 00:58:44,233
the intro to Have a Nice Day.
1085
00:58:50,656 --> 00:58:52,699
And he's like, "Wow, w-what's that?"
1086
00:58:52,783 --> 00:58:55,202
I said, "That's me being you."
1087
00:58:55,285 --> 00:58:58,705
♪ Why you wanna tell me
how to live my life ♪
1088
00:58:58,789 --> 00:59:00,165
I'd like to think that it was, you know,
1089
00:59:00,249 --> 00:59:02,501
this natural progression
of who and what we were
1090
00:59:03,126 --> 00:59:05,379
without trying to be what we used to be.
1091
00:59:06,088 --> 00:59:09,383
Are we guilty of ever having tried
to replicate successes?
1092
00:59:09,466 --> 00:59:10,509
Sure.
1093
00:59:10,592 --> 00:59:14,012
But in truth, there always had to be
an evolution on my mind.
1094
00:59:14,638 --> 00:59:16,723
We needed to say more
and push the envelope,
1095
00:59:16,807 --> 00:59:18,016
but just a little more.
1096
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:19,977
Anytime you're a band
for, like, 25 years,
1097
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:22,187
when the door to evolution actually opens,
1098
00:59:22,271 --> 00:59:23,272
you have to step through it.
1099
00:59:24,773 --> 00:59:29,486
♪ Oh, if there's one thing
I hang on to ♪
1100
00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:32,072
♪ That gets me through the night ♪
1101
00:59:32,155 --> 00:59:35,951
♪ I ain't gonna do what I don't want to ♪
1102
00:59:36,034 --> 00:59:37,160
Amy, you know what?
1103
00:59:37,244 --> 00:59:39,371
The future, it rocks.
1104
00:59:39,454 --> 00:59:42,249
In the future, is Bon Jovi still around?
1105
00:59:43,709 --> 00:59:45,544
Yes, Amy, Bon Jovi is still around.
1106
00:59:46,753 --> 00:59:49,756
♪ When the world gets in my face ♪
1107
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,135
♪ I say have a nice day ♪
1108
00:59:55,804 --> 00:59:57,097
What came outta that one
1109
00:59:57,181 --> 01:00:00,434
was yet another number-one single,
1110
01:00:00,517 --> 01:00:02,811
Who Says You Can't Go Home? And that's
something that Richie and I wrote
1111
01:00:02,895 --> 01:00:05,564
that was a number-one song,
Grammy Award winner.
1112
01:00:10,277 --> 01:00:12,863
When Have a Nice Day, you know,
Who Said You Can't Go Home? became
1113
01:00:12,946 --> 01:00:16,033
the first number-one song
by a rock and roll band
1114
01:00:16,116 --> 01:00:18,619
in history on the country charts
for two weeks,
1115
01:00:18,702 --> 01:00:21,288
so that's when, that was the advent
of the Nashville record.
1116
01:00:21,371 --> 01:00:23,916
Lost Highway is in stores now,
1117
01:00:23,999 --> 01:00:25,501
and it's a phenomenal success.
1118
01:00:25,584 --> 01:00:28,295
Lost Highway,
because it was so different,
1119
01:00:28,378 --> 01:00:30,839
because it was country-ish,
1120
01:00:30,923 --> 01:00:32,758
that was a lot of fun actually.
1121
01:00:32,841 --> 01:00:35,427
And we went
from the success of that
1122
01:00:35,761 --> 01:00:38,263
into the success of The Circle.
1123
01:00:38,347 --> 01:00:40,641
So now we've come back
with a rock record.
1124
01:00:42,726 --> 01:00:44,853
♪ I been there, done that ♪
1125
01:00:44,937 --> 01:00:46,647
♪ I ain't looking back ♪
1126
01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:49,650
" Born to follow" was
a hit, tours are selling.
1127
01:00:49,733 --> 01:00:52,903
The band, I think are
getting along swimmingly.
1128
01:00:52,986 --> 01:00:55,155
I think everything is,
is going quite well.
1129
01:00:55,531 --> 01:00:57,407
We're still here,
we're at the top of the game.
1130
01:00:57,491 --> 01:00:59,493
We're writing songs
that have been a part
1131
01:00:59,576 --> 01:01:01,370
of the patchwork of American culture
1132
01:01:01,453 --> 01:01:03,288
for nearly three decades.
1133
01:01:03,372 --> 01:01:05,207
There's more
Grammy nominations,
1134
01:01:05,290 --> 01:01:08,043
more tickets sold,
more hit singles on the radio.
1135
01:01:10,128 --> 01:01:11,630
♪ Who says you can't go home ♪
1136
01:01:11,713 --> 01:01:12,923
I was enjoying it,
1137
01:01:13,006 --> 01:01:15,133
and I thought everybody else
was enjoying it.
1138
01:01:17,302 --> 01:01:18,303
Wrong.
1139
01:01:20,681 --> 01:01:22,683
I think that's when
Richie's challenges
1140
01:01:22,766 --> 01:01:24,476
were starting to challenge him.
1141
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,604
I had broken my arm,
and then the pain pills started
1142
01:01:27,688 --> 01:01:28,856
and boozing and all that.
1143
01:01:28,939 --> 01:01:31,108
You know, I mean,
I just was kind of,
1144
01:01:31,191 --> 01:01:33,360
I was kind of gone, you know,
I was kind of gone.
1145
01:01:34,194 --> 01:01:35,654
I mean, he was struggling.
1146
01:01:36,572 --> 01:01:37,823
He was struggling.
1147
01:01:37,906 --> 01:01:39,616
I never saw you as a guy
who drank a lot and stuff.
1148
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:41,785
So you probably drank in private, right?
1149
01:01:41,869 --> 01:01:44,288
You know what, after a while,
what happened was, yeah,
1150
01:01:44,371 --> 01:01:46,707
I was definitely a,
a kind of a guy
1151
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:48,667
that always drank in my house,
never drank out.
1152
01:01:48,750 --> 01:01:50,752
I-I didn't even drink
in restaurants anymore.
1153
01:01:50,836 --> 01:01:52,671
- Wow.
-Or I didn't drink around the band,
1154
01:01:52,754 --> 01:01:54,339
or anywhere near a performance.
1155
01:01:54,423 --> 01:01:55,757
That's when you know you have a problem
1156
01:01:55,841 --> 01:01:57,134
when you're drinking by yourself, right?
1157
01:01:57,217 --> 01:01:58,635
-When it's not a social thing?
-I guess so.
1158
01:01:58,927 --> 01:02:00,220
Richie's journey was,
you know,
1159
01:02:00,304 --> 01:02:02,556
10 years of, uh, three times
in rehab.
1160
01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:04,933
You know, it was, it's tough.
1161
01:02:05,017 --> 01:02:06,185
Him going in and then coming out
1162
01:02:06,268 --> 01:02:07,895
and hugging and crying
and "We're there for you."
1163
01:02:07,978 --> 01:02:10,606
And then going back in
and then hugging and crying
1164
01:02:10,689 --> 01:02:12,357
and, and then going back in.
1165
01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:15,944
To me, it was more important
as I-- "How do I help him?"
1166
01:02:16,028 --> 01:02:18,113
How do I get through
to him so he, you know,
1167
01:02:18,197 --> 01:02:20,490
he doesn't kill himself
and, or anything like that?
1168
01:02:20,574 --> 01:02:21,825
You know, God forbid.
1169
01:02:22,242 --> 01:02:23,869
You know, you just want
to try to help somebody
1170
01:02:23,952 --> 01:02:26,246
who's, who's,
who has an addiction problem.
1171
01:02:27,748 --> 01:02:29,249
It was affecting the band.
1172
01:02:29,333 --> 01:02:31,251
We were going through
a lot of stuff together.
1173
01:02:31,335 --> 01:02:33,378
That's hard because
it's one of your brothers.
1174
01:02:34,713 --> 01:02:38,800
We always worked
and that was always a... a Band-Aid.
1175
01:02:39,218 --> 01:02:40,928
And it's a good one sometimes,
1176
01:02:41,011 --> 01:02:44,223
but it disguises
the real meat and potatoes.
1177
01:02:45,516 --> 01:02:48,894
The Circle goes
right into What About Now?
1178
01:02:48,977 --> 01:02:51,313
And much like Slippery went
right into New Jersey.
1179
01:02:51,855 --> 01:02:53,774
How many more times you wanna sing?
1180
01:02:53,857 --> 01:02:55,275
♪ Bad medicine ♪
1181
01:02:57,611 --> 01:02:59,446
I should have learned
from the mistakes
1182
01:02:59,530 --> 01:03:03,700
of our past that we should have
maybe taken more time.
1183
01:03:04,117 --> 01:03:05,577
I feel better than I ever did,
1184
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:10,332
but it gets harder
to keep yourself together.
1185
01:03:10,415 --> 01:03:14,378
You know, I'm guilty of going
through it with blinders on
1186
01:03:14,461 --> 01:03:17,256
and just, "Okay, we gotta work? Go."
1187
01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:22,386
And it's exhausting,
1188
01:03:22,469 --> 01:03:25,055
and it-it's exhausting
to a lot of other people
1189
01:03:25,138 --> 01:03:27,307
who couldn't see it the way I did.
1190
01:03:27,975 --> 01:03:29,726
But that's what happens
in relationships
1191
01:03:29,810 --> 01:03:31,687
after all the years,
1192
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:34,815
and all stuff and this and that,
you know what I mean?
1193
01:03:34,898 --> 01:03:36,650
It was an amalgamation of things.
1194
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:41,238
I was also having some
deep family problems.
1195
01:03:41,697 --> 01:03:45,033
I-I-I was just talking
to my daughter on the phone,
1196
01:03:46,034 --> 01:03:50,247
and, uh, I miss my wife
and my daughter very badly actually.
1197
01:03:50,706 --> 01:03:53,625
I spent so much time
being on the road.
1198
01:03:54,084 --> 01:03:55,752
I mean, at that time, unfortunately,
1199
01:03:55,836 --> 01:03:59,506
my ex-wife was having
some mental health issues.
1200
01:04:00,007 --> 01:04:03,218
And my daughter coming to an age
where she could understand.
1201
01:04:03,302 --> 01:04:04,595
-Hi, I'm Ava.
-This is my daughter.
1202
01:04:04,970 --> 01:04:07,723
She needed me, and I needed her.
1203
01:04:08,974 --> 01:04:12,102
Truthfully, we didn't have enough time.
1204
01:04:12,477 --> 01:04:16,148
And every night, you got
65,000 people leaning on you
1205
01:04:16,231 --> 01:04:18,275
to go "Gimme the best you got."
1206
01:04:19,318 --> 01:04:21,820
Every once in a while,
things gang up on you.
1207
01:04:21,904 --> 01:04:23,488
And I was dealing with that,
1208
01:04:23,572 --> 01:04:25,866
and as well as being part
1209
01:04:25,949 --> 01:04:27,784
of one of the biggest bands
in the world.
1210
01:04:29,620 --> 01:04:30,996
Then when
we went to record it,
1211
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:33,582
there was that tension in there
where Richie wanted to do stuff,
1212
01:04:33,665 --> 01:04:36,210
but he really couldn't do stuff
and then Shanks was doing it.
1213
01:04:36,543 --> 01:04:40,172
The band was stale at that point.
1214
01:04:41,715 --> 01:04:44,801
And my job was to say that.
1215
01:04:51,099 --> 01:04:52,935
You can't point fingers
1216
01:04:53,018 --> 01:04:55,646
and say, you know,
things about
1217
01:04:55,729 --> 01:04:57,397
the rest of the collective
1218
01:04:57,481 --> 01:04:59,775
that just, they're not true.
1219
01:05:01,026 --> 01:05:03,570
Shit, I don't know.
I'm just telling it the way I see it.
1220
01:05:05,364 --> 01:05:07,699
Look, he's a great producer
for some,
1221
01:05:07,783 --> 01:05:10,702
and I've worked with him
where it's worked wonderfully,
1222
01:05:12,162 --> 01:05:14,331
but at the end of the day, it got sour.
1223
01:05:15,499 --> 01:05:19,920
You know, Richie would come to the studio,
and it was like everything was done.
1224
01:05:20,379 --> 01:05:21,797
Jon wanted it done good.
1225
01:05:22,047 --> 01:05:25,425
He got in a strange mood
1226
01:05:25,801 --> 01:05:28,095
about time.
1227
01:05:28,178 --> 01:05:30,514
John and I end up writing
What About Now?
1228
01:05:30,597 --> 01:05:31,849
Richie doesn't show up.
1229
01:05:32,516 --> 01:05:33,892
Um, no big deal.
1230
01:05:34,476 --> 01:05:36,436
I'm just pushing to keep going.
1231
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,273
And Richie was really upset
1232
01:05:39,356 --> 01:05:41,984
that on a song that I had written
called The Fighter,
1233
01:05:42,067 --> 01:05:45,904
he didn't play this one part
on an acoustic guitar.
1234
01:05:52,828 --> 01:05:55,581
And that caused a problem.
1235
01:06:01,879 --> 01:06:04,965
And Shanks being a studio musician
1236
01:06:05,048 --> 01:06:08,343
was very capable of going in
1237
01:06:08,427 --> 01:06:10,846
and being done
with the parts so that we,
1238
01:06:10,929 --> 01:06:13,640
Richie, myself, and John could move on.
1239
01:06:14,558 --> 01:06:16,435
After all those records,
1240
01:06:16,518 --> 01:06:18,478
uh, people know how I play,
1241
01:06:18,979 --> 01:06:22,858
and, uh, I went, "Have at it."
1242
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,860
I didn't know.
1243
01:06:25,277 --> 01:06:29,031
And no words were spoken,
that Richie was crushed
1244
01:06:29,114 --> 01:06:30,532
that he was replaced.
1245
01:06:31,742 --> 01:06:33,619
I'm caught between the two of them.
1246
01:06:33,702 --> 01:06:36,121
So you have to tread lightly.
1247
01:06:36,496 --> 01:06:42,044
♪ Write you a song just to use them ♪
1248
01:06:42,127 --> 01:06:44,880
Richie, he had some issues
falling off the wagon
1249
01:06:44,963 --> 01:06:46,423
during the course of pre-production.
1250
01:06:46,507 --> 01:06:48,675
And you know,
for whatever reason,
1251
01:06:48,759 --> 01:06:50,886
I can't even say, "Oh, it's,
it's substance abuse."
1252
01:06:50,969 --> 01:06:52,137
Okay, that was a part of it.
1253
01:06:52,221 --> 01:06:54,097
It's not like this was the first time.
1254
01:06:54,181 --> 01:06:59,603
♪ Someday you may wanna know
who I am ♪
1255
01:06:59,686 --> 01:07:02,523
John Shanks and Jon had 30 songs,
1256
01:07:02,606 --> 01:07:04,525
and they said they felt
like they had the record
1257
01:07:05,442 --> 01:07:07,110
and I said, "Let me hear it."
1258
01:07:09,196 --> 01:07:11,406
I go, "Don't sound like Bon Jovi."
1259
01:07:15,869 --> 01:07:20,082
It just didn't sound like us
because I wasn't there.
1260
01:07:21,291 --> 01:07:24,211
There was a lot of distance
between Richie and Jon.
1261
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,089
There was a lot of rubbing.
1262
01:07:27,172 --> 01:07:28,882
You know, it goes both ways.
1263
01:07:28,966 --> 01:07:31,552
It's like if you don't show up
for a session, then you don't play.
1264
01:07:32,052 --> 01:07:33,929
Then you show up
and your stuff is done.
1265
01:07:36,056 --> 01:07:37,266
What do you do with that?
1266
01:07:38,517 --> 01:07:40,978
He had the whole thing
kind of planned out,
1267
01:07:41,061 --> 01:07:42,563
which basically was telling me,
1268
01:07:43,021 --> 01:07:45,732
"Hmm, I can do it without you."
1269
01:07:46,149 --> 01:07:49,403
And, uh, I was getting treated
kind of like
1270
01:07:49,486 --> 01:07:52,239
I didn't write and do all that stuff.
1271
01:07:52,322 --> 01:07:55,701
And I wasn't the guy
they talked to anymore.
1272
01:07:56,118 --> 01:08:01,373
The internal issues
that we had culminated in 2013.
1273
01:08:01,915 --> 01:08:04,334
We put the record out
and we were on the road
1274
01:08:04,418 --> 01:08:06,461
and we were 20 shows in.
1275
01:08:06,545 --> 01:08:08,255
There had been a break.
1276
01:08:08,672 --> 01:08:11,675
And I remember being
on the phone to Richie,
1277
01:08:11,758 --> 01:08:14,052
and he says,
"Can I stay home another day
1278
01:08:14,136 --> 01:08:15,512
and fly a private the next day?"
1279
01:08:15,596 --> 01:08:16,638
And I said, "Of course."
1280
01:08:16,722 --> 01:08:19,266
And, and I could tell that
something was the matter.
1281
01:08:20,184 --> 01:08:23,103
There was a lot
of tension, not only with me,
1282
01:08:23,187 --> 01:08:25,189
but, uh, the guys in the band.
1283
01:08:25,606 --> 01:08:28,317
I really thought to myself,
they'd be better off without me.
1284
01:08:29,193 --> 01:08:31,612
And at three o'clock
on that afternoon, on that Tuesday,
1285
01:08:31,695 --> 01:08:33,780
my phone rang,
and it was Paul Korzilius.
1286
01:08:33,864 --> 01:08:35,866
And Paul never calls my room.
1287
01:08:35,949 --> 01:08:38,327
And I was like, "Oh, no, what?"
1288
01:08:38,744 --> 01:08:40,954
And he said, "We got a problem."
1289
01:08:42,956 --> 01:08:44,374
There was an airplane on the runway,
1290
01:08:44,833 --> 01:08:47,878
a car in the driveway,
suitcase in the trunk.
1291
01:08:47,961 --> 01:08:49,505
And he never makes it.
1292
01:08:50,172 --> 01:08:51,757
Richard wouldn't leave
his own house
1293
01:08:52,341 --> 01:08:53,592
to show up for the show.
1294
01:08:54,259 --> 01:08:56,553
That hurt. You know, that was
like the first time you're like,
1295
01:08:56,637 --> 01:08:59,765
"Oh, I don't know if there's
gonna be a happy ending."
1296
01:08:59,848 --> 01:09:02,059
Oh, I was sadder than I was pissed off.
1297
01:09:02,976 --> 01:09:04,311
"Everybody's here.
1298
01:09:04,394 --> 01:09:06,355
Wait a minute,
we're missing somebody."
1299
01:09:07,064 --> 01:09:08,982
It was clear and evident proof
1300
01:09:09,066 --> 01:09:12,903
that shit has hit the fan, you know?
1301
01:09:12,986 --> 01:09:14,571
And, uh, he's not coming.
1302
01:09:55,696 --> 01:09:57,197
I'm not sticking
to any timelines
1303
01:09:57,281 --> 01:09:58,949
that I'm just singing
by myself right now,
1304
01:09:59,032 --> 01:10:00,701
but the idea would be to ramp up
1305
01:10:00,784 --> 01:10:03,662
and to get to a place
by February or March
1306
01:10:03,745 --> 01:10:05,581
where I could say,
"Why don't we get together in a room?"
1307
01:10:05,664 --> 01:10:07,583
and build upon that.
1308
01:10:08,959 --> 01:10:12,546
But eventually I'm gonna have
to pull a trigger somewhere,
1309
01:10:12,629 --> 01:10:14,631
you know, to say we're going
or we're not going.
1310
01:10:30,689 --> 01:10:34,026
I never had the thought
that Jon would ever stop.
1311
01:10:34,109 --> 01:10:38,405
As long as he's happy
and he's healthy, we all keep going.
1312
01:10:38,864 --> 01:10:40,824
I don't want to do it again
if he's not having fun.
1313
01:10:40,908 --> 01:10:42,576
And I won't do it again
if he's not having fun.
1314
01:10:42,659 --> 01:10:43,660
'Cause he won't do it again.
1315
01:10:44,536 --> 01:10:45,787
I told him
one time, I said,
1316
01:10:45,871 --> 01:10:47,873
"As long as you want
to do this, I'll be there."
1317
01:10:48,415 --> 01:10:50,042
I mean, I'll drop everything.
1318
01:10:51,126 --> 01:10:52,711
I think we will ride on.
1319
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:54,922
I think the journey has to keep going.
1320
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,362
♪ You wanna start a fire ♪
1321
01:11:19,363 --> 01:11:22,032
♪ It only takes a spark ♪
1322
01:11:22,783 --> 01:11:26,078
♪ You gotta get behind the wheel ♪
1323
01:11:26,370 --> 01:11:29,748
♪ If you're ever gonna drive that car ♪
1324
01:11:30,666 --> 01:11:33,502
♪ If you want to take a bite ♪
1325
01:11:34,795 --> 01:11:37,798
♪ You better have the teeth ♪
1326
01:11:38,715 --> 01:11:41,301
♪ If you wanna take that step ♪
1327
01:11:42,636 --> 01:11:45,973
♪ Then get up off of your knees ♪
1328
01:11:46,473 --> 01:11:50,227
♪ 'Cause tonight ♪
1329
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:53,647
♪ We're alive ♪
1330
01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:56,108
♪ Who'll stand for the restless ♪
1331
01:11:56,191 --> 01:11:58,026
♪ And the lonely ♪
1332
01:11:58,110 --> 01:12:01,613
♪ For the desperate and the hungry ♪
1333
01:12:01,697 --> 01:12:05,200
♪ Down for the count ♪
1334
01:12:05,284 --> 01:12:09,621
♪ I'm hearing you now ♪
1335
01:12:09,705 --> 01:12:13,458
♪ For the faithful, the believer ♪
1336
01:12:13,542 --> 01:12:16,837
♪ For the faceless and the teachers ♪
1337
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,465
♪ Stand up and be proud ♪
1338
01:12:21,049 --> 01:12:23,719
♪ What about now? ♪
1339
01:12:25,137 --> 01:12:27,598
♪ You wanna start a fight ♪
1340
01:12:29,016 --> 01:12:31,560
♪ You gotta take a swing ♪
1341
01:12:31,977 --> 01:12:36,231
♪ You gotta get your hands in the dirt ♪
1342
01:12:36,315 --> 01:12:39,902
♪ To see what the harvest will bring ♪
1343
01:12:40,611 --> 01:12:43,238
♪ You wanna raise your voice ♪
1344
01:12:44,531 --> 01:12:47,576
♪ Don't be scared to breathe ♪
1345
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:50,787
♪ Don't be afraid to hurt ♪
1346
01:12:52,206 --> 01:12:55,167
♪ Don't be ashamed in need ♪
1347
01:12:56,084 --> 01:12:59,880
♪ 'Cause tonight ♪
1348
01:12:59,963 --> 01:13:03,217
♪ We're alive ♪
1349
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:05,761
♪ Who'll stand for the restless ♪
1350
01:13:05,844 --> 01:13:07,554
♪ And the lonely ♪
1351
01:13:07,638 --> 01:13:08,680
♪ For the desperate... ♪
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