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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,355 --> 00:00:06,715 Oligarchies remain powerful only to the extent 2 00:00:07,545 --> 00:00:12,075 that we privatise our dreams and we privatise our fears, 3 00:00:12,775 --> 00:00:15,195 and we get paralysed by them, 4 00:00:15,975 --> 00:00:18,715 and we get stuck on the couch feeling that 5 00:00:19,425 --> 00:00:21,395 nothing is within our control. 6 00:00:23,015 --> 00:00:26,075 If we stand any chance of collective 7 00:00:26,415 --> 00:00:31,395 and personal emancipation, liberation, in the end, joy, 8 00:00:31,935 --> 00:00:36,115 fun, genuine happiness, that can only come 9 00:00:36,115 --> 00:00:40,515 to us the moment we say, "No, I'm not going to sit here idly 10 00:00:40,515 --> 00:00:43,955 by lamenting my powerlessness. 11 00:00:44,695 --> 00:00:46,875 I'm going to go out there and try to change the world. 12 00:00:47,235 --> 00:00:49,635 I will fail in the same way that I know 13 00:00:49,635 --> 00:00:50,755 that one day I'll die. 14 00:00:51,105 --> 00:00:55,035 It doesn't stop me from trying to live every day to the full." 15 00:00:57,045 --> 00:00:58,595 Collective action, 16 00:00:59,365 --> 00:01:03,915 collective dreams, are a prerequisite for individual freedom. 17 00:02:16,465 --> 00:02:17,925 Greece. Greece. Greece. 18 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:21,645 The debt crisis in Greece, sparking violent protests, 19 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:24,805 helping to trigger the rapid sell off as investors worry 20 00:02:24,915 --> 00:02:27,365 that Europe's debt problems will spread. 21 00:02:33,105 --> 00:02:34,565 And of course the darkest fear 22 00:02:34,825 --> 00:02:37,085 is they drag down the US economy. 23 00:02:37,265 --> 00:02:38,525 Really, the US Recovery. 24 00:02:44,835 --> 00:02:47,815 Syriza has grown from a motley alliance of activists 25 00:02:47,995 --> 00:02:50,015 to become the official opposition. 26 00:02:54,795 --> 00:02:57,175 Though the groups on this demo look like activists 27 00:02:57,185 --> 00:02:58,535 everywhere, here, 28 00:02:58,745 --> 00:03:02,005 their party currently leads in the opinion polls. 29 00:03:23,315 --> 00:03:26,125 Okay. How my parents met. 30 00:03:26,185 --> 00:03:27,525 Yeah, yeah, how your parents met. 31 00:03:31,315 --> 00:03:33,045 Okay. Start? 32 00:03:35,845 --> 00:03:36,925 I grew up in a fascist country. 33 00:03:37,905 --> 00:03:41,085 My father, he was apprehended for being a student leader. 34 00:03:41,545 --> 00:03:44,565 And the police that apprehended him apologised 35 00:03:44,985 --> 00:03:48,805 for having done so, but then gave him a denunciation 36 00:03:48,805 --> 00:03:50,325 of communism form to sign. 37 00:03:50,585 --> 00:03:53,565 And my father being liberal, said: 38 00:03:53,565 --> 00:03:55,085 "Well I'm not a communist. 39 00:03:55,085 --> 00:03:56,725 I'm not a Buddhist. I'm not a Muslim. 40 00:03:56,945 --> 00:04:01,125 But if you ask me as an organ of the state, sir, to sign, 41 00:04:01,745 --> 00:04:04,725 this kind of denunciation of Islam 42 00:04:04,785 --> 00:04:07,605 or of, Buddhism or of communism, I'm not going 43 00:04:07,605 --> 00:04:08,765 to do it because it's none of your business." 44 00:04:11,505 --> 00:04:12,565 He refused to sign it. 45 00:04:12,865 --> 00:04:14,605 And then he was beaten up very badly, 46 00:04:16,065 --> 00:04:19,405 and he was tortured for months and months 47 00:04:19,465 --> 00:04:23,325 and months in ways that I don't even want 48 00:04:23,425 --> 00:04:24,605 to discuss on camera. 49 00:04:27,625 --> 00:04:29,885 The more they tortured him, the more they beat him up, 50 00:04:30,025 --> 00:04:31,845 the more stubbornly he was refusing 51 00:04:31,865 --> 00:04:33,085 to sign that piece of paper. 52 00:04:36,865 --> 00:04:41,765 He said to me that the worst moment in the camp, 53 00:04:42,825 --> 00:04:45,325 was a moment when he realised 54 00:04:46,275 --> 00:04:49,325 that if his side had won the Civil War, the communists, 55 00:04:49,865 --> 00:04:52,685 he would be in the same concentration camp 56 00:04:52,995 --> 00:04:54,085 with different guards. 57 00:04:57,425 --> 00:04:59,365 And I asked him, what did he mean by that? 58 00:04:59,385 --> 00:05:02,005 He said, well, there came a moment when he 59 00:05:02,285 --> 00:05:04,165 received, in secret, of course, 60 00:05:04,885 --> 00:05:06,685 a directive from the Communist Party to sign it 61 00:05:08,225 --> 00:05:10,405 so as to get out, and my father refused — 62 00:05:12,435 --> 00:05:14,925 refused the instructions of the Communist Party. 63 00:05:15,385 --> 00:05:18,605 And then he was denounced by the Communist Party for not 64 00:05:19,225 --> 00:05:22,045 heeding their instructions. 65 00:05:22,505 --> 00:05:26,645 So he ended up in the concentration camp, shunned by his comrades 66 00:05:26,945 --> 00:05:28,085 and tortured by the fascists. 67 00:05:32,505 --> 00:05:36,085 He realised then that authoritarianism runs deeply 68 00:05:36,505 --> 00:05:37,605 on both sides. 69 00:05:38,315 --> 00:05:41,325 That was a warning to me as a left-winger. 70 00:05:44,555 --> 00:05:47,365 When my father came out of the camp, out of exile, 71 00:05:47,695 --> 00:05:49,165 after four, four-and-a-half years — 72 00:05:50,025 --> 00:05:53,285 this was in the early 1950s — to go back 73 00:05:53,285 --> 00:05:54,285 to Athens University, 74 00:05:54,625 --> 00:05:56,965 he was a shadow of a man, determined 75 00:05:57,105 --> 00:06:01,005 to just concentrate on his studies as a means of surviving. 76 00:06:02,905 --> 00:06:03,965 In the university, 77 00:06:04,985 --> 00:06:08,005 he came across a young woman, actually the first 78 00:06:08,025 --> 00:06:09,285 female student of chemistry 79 00:06:09,285 --> 00:06:11,045 in the history of the University of Athens. 80 00:06:12,545 --> 00:06:14,045 And she was approached because 81 00:06:14,065 --> 00:06:18,045 of her antipathy towards communists by a quasi-fascist, 82 00:06:18,105 --> 00:06:22,445 or actually quasi-Nazi organisation, who recruited her 83 00:06:23,425 --> 00:06:26,815 and gave her a task: to keep tabs on my dad. 84 00:06:29,635 --> 00:06:34,495 So this is how they met. And 85 00:06:34,495 --> 00:06:38,695 of course, after a few weeks she dropped out of 86 00:06:38,695 --> 00:06:41,015 that horrible organisation and they were together. 87 00:06:41,635 --> 00:06:44,855 Their paths converged politically, 88 00:06:45,435 --> 00:06:48,295 but I remember that when on a very 89 00:06:48,295 --> 00:06:49,615 few occasions, because they 90 00:06:49,645 --> 00:06:51,495 always had a very loving relationship, 91 00:06:51,515 --> 00:06:55,455 but when they would fight the old 92 00:06:55,885 --> 00:06:57,295 rupture reemerged. 93 00:06:57,355 --> 00:07:00,935 I remember once hearing her call him a bloody communist 94 00:07:01,635 --> 00:07:04,175 and him calling her a bloody fascist. 95 00:07:08,815 --> 00:07:10,535 I think that deep down my father, 96 00:07:10,635 --> 00:07:13,135 he was always motivated to ensure that 97 00:07:13,355 --> 00:07:15,415 his fate would not be repeated 98 00:07:15,475 --> 00:07:16,055 in my case. 99 00:07:20,585 --> 00:07:22,885 in 1975, I was 14. 100 00:07:23,105 --> 00:07:26,605 It was a year after the dictatorship had collapsed. 101 00:07:29,005 --> 00:07:32,565 I remember I was distributing leaflets for 102 00:07:32,755 --> 00:07:35,245 some kind of demonstration in the evening. 103 00:07:35,955 --> 00:07:39,485 This copper approached me from behind and grabbed me. 104 00:07:39,665 --> 00:07:41,365 And before I knew it, I was in a cell. 105 00:07:41,785 --> 00:07:43,605 And of course, my parents 106 00:07:44,355 --> 00:07:49,125 were climbing various walls besides themselves with worry. 107 00:07:49,745 --> 00:07:52,525 So I arrive at home at around 6:30, exhausted. 108 00:07:52,945 --> 00:07:55,085 There were no charges. There was nothing. 109 00:07:55,175 --> 00:07:56,485 There was just intimidation. 110 00:07:56,915 --> 00:07:59,365 That night, my father sat me down with my mom 111 00:07:59,585 --> 00:08:02,805 and they both said to me, "Right, you're going 112 00:08:02,805 --> 00:08:04,045 to study in the United Kingdom. 113 00:08:04,445 --> 00:08:06,925 I don't care what you study, anything from anthropology to 114 00:08:07,085 --> 00:08:09,165 zoology, but you're out of here." 115 00:08:09,785 --> 00:08:11,165 So I decided I was going 116 00:08:11,165 --> 00:08:12,325 to be a theoretical physicist. 117 00:08:13,335 --> 00:08:15,845 There was a Greek politician at the time 118 00:08:16,185 --> 00:08:18,805 who was leading the political party that I 119 00:08:19,075 --> 00:08:21,165 belonged to as a teenager. 120 00:08:21,865 --> 00:08:25,325 And he was going to give me a reference letter 121 00:08:26,365 --> 00:08:30,205 because he had been an academic in the Anglo-Saxon world. 122 00:08:30,345 --> 00:08:32,685 So he sat me down. He didn't know who I was. 123 00:08:33,305 --> 00:08:36,045 He just knew that I was an activist in the party. 124 00:08:36,985 --> 00:08:38,565 And he asked me what I wanted to study, 125 00:08:38,625 --> 00:08:40,165 to remind him, 126 00:08:40,705 --> 00:08:42,965 and I said, "Theoretical physics, I'm going to study in Britain." 127 00:08:44,025 --> 00:08:48,045 He said, "No, you won't. I thought, "What? What audacity." 128 00:08:48,925 --> 00:08:50,325 I said, "So what am I going to study?" 129 00:08:50,325 --> 00:08:51,765 He said, "You'll do mathematical economics". 130 00:08:52,485 --> 00:08:53,765 "Mathematical economics?" 131 00:08:54,725 --> 00:08:56,525 I was raging. 132 00:08:56,645 --> 00:09:00,485 I was so annoyed with him, that he would have the gall 133 00:09:00,545 --> 00:09:02,965 to have a view as to what I was going 134 00:09:02,965 --> 00:09:06,765 to study, given that he had precisely zero information about 135 00:09:06,765 --> 00:09:08,645 me, except for the fact that I was a political activist. 136 00:09:08,985 --> 00:09:11,125 But then he explained and it made perfect sense. 137 00:09:11,125 --> 00:09:13,845 He said, "Listen, theoretical physics 138 00:09:13,905 --> 00:09:16,405 and mathematical economics are exactly the same 139 00:09:16,515 --> 00:09:17,725 from a mathematical perspective. 140 00:09:17,725 --> 00:09:19,285 It's the same mathematics, the same models. 141 00:09:20,345 --> 00:09:22,725 The difference," he said "is this: if you study 142 00:09:22,725 --> 00:09:24,925 theoretical physics, nobody's going 143 00:09:24,925 --> 00:09:26,325 to take your political views seriously. 144 00:09:26,625 --> 00:09:28,205 If you study mathematical economics, 145 00:09:28,365 --> 00:09:30,645 because of the power of the narrative, 146 00:09:30,875 --> 00:09:32,565 everybody will be paying attention. 147 00:09:32,845 --> 00:09:34,205 Suddenly you'll have a 148 00:09:34,365 --> 00:09:35,445 capacity to influence people." 149 00:09:39,125 --> 00:09:42,145 My life was finished. I became an economist. 150 00:09:49,995 --> 00:09:54,735 Up until the early 2000s, I was perfectly contented 151 00:09:55,265 --> 00:09:58,855 being an academic holed up in my office in whichever 152 00:09:58,855 --> 00:10:00,175 university I happened to be at. 153 00:10:01,595 --> 00:10:04,335 But at around 2002, 2003, 154 00:10:06,215 --> 00:10:10,575 I experienced a certain sense of anxiety, 155 00:10:11,075 --> 00:10:15,415 at the site of financialisations impending crisis. 156 00:10:15,975 --> 00:10:18,015 I could feel that I was living in a world 157 00:10:18,015 --> 00:10:19,415 that was about to blow up. 158 00:10:20,535 --> 00:10:24,615 I was beginning to sound the alarm whenever I could, 159 00:10:24,835 --> 00:10:28,455 even in the context of discussions with politicians, 160 00:10:29,035 --> 00:10:31,495 trying to warn them that the tsunami was coming, 161 00:10:31,875 --> 00:10:36,015 and we cannot stop it, but we have to prepare for it. 162 00:10:36,055 --> 00:10:37,095 Meltdown on the markets, 163 00:10:37,195 --> 00:10:39,335 as Wall Street is left reeling from some 164 00:10:39,335 --> 00:10:40,935 of the biggest blows in its history. 165 00:10:42,265 --> 00:10:44,335 Stock markets have fallen here and around the world, 166 00:10:44,335 --> 00:10:45,375 as one of America's oldest 167 00:10:45,515 --> 00:10:47,975 and biggest banks files for bankruptcy. 168 00:10:49,605 --> 00:10:51,135 Debt is to capitalism 169 00:10:51,365 --> 00:10:56,095 that which hell is to Christianity: unpleasant and essential. 170 00:10:58,125 --> 00:11:02,295 Whereas debt was tangential to life 171 00:11:02,295 --> 00:11:03,335 before capitalism, 172 00:11:03,685 --> 00:11:07,095 with capitalism, it becomes the turbocharging 173 00:11:08,005 --> 00:11:09,775 unit of production. 174 00:11:10,645 --> 00:11:15,455 It's what allowed immense productive resources 175 00:11:15,835 --> 00:11:18,655 and capacities and forces to be unleashed by capitalism. 176 00:11:18,915 --> 00:11:21,615 The result being the modern world that we live in. 177 00:11:23,755 --> 00:11:28,535 The problem with that is that if you're going to move 178 00:11:28,535 --> 00:11:31,735 to an industrial scale of capitalist production 179 00:11:31,735 --> 00:11:34,295 with networked firms, with large conglomerates 180 00:11:34,295 --> 00:11:37,215 that Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, and the rest built, 181 00:11:37,315 --> 00:11:38,935 and now the Googles and the Facebooks, 182 00:11:38,935 --> 00:11:41,055 and so on, you need enormous banks. 183 00:11:42,135 --> 00:11:46,535 Enormous banks means an enormous amount of power by the bankers 184 00:11:47,355 --> 00:11:51,495 to push their hand through the time-space continuum, 185 00:11:52,075 --> 00:11:54,205 reach out into the future 186 00:11:54,545 --> 00:11:55,765 and take value 187 00:11:55,765 --> 00:11:57,845 that has not been created yet from the future, 188 00:11:58,255 --> 00:12:02,725 bring it to the present and lend it to various entrepreneurs 189 00:12:03,225 --> 00:12:06,845 to produce the value so that the loop of recycling 190 00:12:06,845 --> 00:12:09,925 between debt and wealth is completed. 191 00:12:15,225 --> 00:12:18,005 But the more successful the financiers are in doing this, 192 00:12:18,425 --> 00:12:19,605 the greater the urge 193 00:12:19,825 --> 00:12:22,245 to keep taking more value from the future 194 00:12:22,265 --> 00:12:24,525 and bringing it into the present in the form of 195 00:12:24,525 --> 00:12:28,605 debt. At some point, the present can no longer service 196 00:12:29,265 --> 00:12:31,685 its debt-servicing needs towards the future. 197 00:12:32,065 --> 00:12:33,365 And that is when you have a crisis. 198 00:12:34,545 --> 00:12:36,685 The 2008 crisis was not one 199 00:12:36,685 --> 00:12:39,405 of the normal periodic downturns. 200 00:12:40,025 --> 00:12:42,725 It is the longest, most slow-burning, 201 00:12:43,945 --> 00:12:46,765 damage-inducing crisis in the history of capitalism. 202 00:12:48,705 --> 00:12:51,925 The implosion of the pyramid of financial capital. 203 00:13:03,515 --> 00:13:04,565 President Obama 204 00:13:04,705 --> 00:13:07,925 and I are agreed that the world is coming together 205 00:13:08,265 --> 00:13:12,125 to act in the face of unprecedented global financial times. 206 00:13:19,095 --> 00:13:22,235 In 2009, something remarkable happened. The Chancellor 207 00:13:22,235 --> 00:13:23,435 of Germany, Angela Merkel, 208 00:13:23,675 --> 00:13:26,915 received a telephone call from her treasury telling her 209 00:13:26,915 --> 00:13:28,515 that the German banks were bankrupt. 210 00:13:29,295 --> 00:13:31,875 At the very same time. The French banks were going bankrupt. 211 00:13:33,255 --> 00:13:36,315 She had to save the German banks to the tune 212 00:13:36,375 --> 00:13:39,715 of 550 billion Euros all in one go. 213 00:13:40,505 --> 00:13:41,995 This to her was political poison. 214 00:13:43,295 --> 00:13:47,475 "At least," she felt, "I've done it. Now I can move on." No. 215 00:13:47,995 --> 00:13:49,675 A few months later, she was told that she has 216 00:13:49,675 --> 00:13:52,995 to give another 300, 400 billion to the French 217 00:13:52,995 --> 00:13:54,075 and German banks because 218 00:13:54,215 --> 00:13:55,835 of the money they had lent to Greece. 219 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:58,355 And Greece was about to default on its debt 220 00:13:58,775 --> 00:14:00,955 to Deutsche Bank, finance banks, Société Générale, BNP Paribas. 221 00:14:03,215 --> 00:14:04,635 And she said, "I can't do this. 222 00:14:04,955 --> 00:14:07,955 I cannot go back to my federal parliament to ask 223 00:14:07,955 --> 00:14:09,915 for another wad of money for the same banks. 224 00:14:10,365 --> 00:14:14,075 It'll be my political end." So what does she do instead? 225 00:14:14,855 --> 00:14:17,715 She goes to the federal parliament seeking 226 00:14:18,635 --> 00:14:22,955 110 billion, initially, another 130 later, 227 00:14:23,775 --> 00:14:28,355 as solidarity to the Greeks on the basis that 228 00:14:29,615 --> 00:14:32,715 the grasshoppers of the South, they're now bankrupt. 229 00:14:33,125 --> 00:14:35,555 Solidarity in Europe means we have to help them. 230 00:14:36,495 --> 00:14:38,795 We don't want to help them, but we must 231 00:14:39,395 --> 00:14:42,595 because this is what it takes to keep Europe together. 232 00:14:43,975 --> 00:14:47,435 So a second bailout loan 233 00:14:48,055 --> 00:14:49,355 for the same German 234 00:14:49,455 --> 00:14:52,645 and French banks was portrayed as solidarity to the Greeks. 235 00:14:52,995 --> 00:14:55,485 What the German parliamentarians 236 00:14:55,485 --> 00:14:59,405 and the German public were never told was that almost none 237 00:14:59,405 --> 00:15:00,565 of that money went to Greece. 238 00:15:01,065 --> 00:15:03,565 It went to the French and German banks. Mostly. 239 00:15:08,945 --> 00:15:13,765 It became a matter of honour and political expediency, 240 00:15:13,765 --> 00:15:18,405 and political power reproduction to prevent 241 00:15:19,305 --> 00:15:22,365 the public and parliamentarians across Europe 242 00:15:23,035 --> 00:15:27,485 ever from finding out that this was a hidden bailout 243 00:15:27,485 --> 00:15:29,005 for the French and German banks. 244 00:15:29,905 --> 00:15:32,605 So it was always the Greeks this, the Greeks that . . . 245 00:15:33,265 --> 00:15:34,805 the Greeks must repay their debt. 246 00:15:35,225 --> 00:15:39,685 And denial that it was all 247 00:15:40,525 --> 00:15:45,045 a kind of bankruptcy concealment. Denial 248 00:15:45,635 --> 00:15:48,525 that that debt was never going to be repaid. 249 00:15:52,625 --> 00:15:55,085 The rules of the Eurozone banned any bailout. 250 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:58,165 So they had to find ways of violating their own rules. 251 00:15:59,145 --> 00:16:01,445 The European Commission, which was supposedly the 252 00:16:01,445 --> 00:16:04,605 government of the European Union, had no credibility 253 00:16:05,235 --> 00:16:10,125 with the hardnosed German finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, 254 00:16:10,265 --> 00:16:15,005 or with the German Central Bank, the Bundesbank bank. Who did? 255 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:18,445 The International Monetary Fund, who had decades 256 00:16:18,625 --> 00:16:23,045 of experience of applied misanthropy in Africa, in Asia, 257 00:16:23,385 --> 00:16:26,085 in all sorts of different societies that were 258 00:16:26,105 --> 00:16:27,965 plundered on behalf of creditors. 259 00:16:31,635 --> 00:16:33,365 This troika of the European Commission, 260 00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:34,965 the European Central Bank, 261 00:16:35,345 --> 00:16:38,605 and the International Monetary Fund became the shadow 262 00:16:38,655 --> 00:16:39,965 government of Europe. 263 00:16:40,825 --> 00:16:44,245 And its first task was to impose the bailouts, 264 00:16:44,495 --> 00:16:46,765 which is a combination of socialism for the bankers 265 00:16:46,795 --> 00:16:48,085 with austerity for the many. 266 00:16:49,795 --> 00:16:52,645 This country is engulfed in a crisis. 267 00:16:52,785 --> 00:16:56,365 And for the past 48 hours has been tearing itself apart. 268 00:16:56,985 --> 00:16:58,285 On the streets here of Syntagma Square 269 00:16:58,515 --> 00:17:00,805 a battle has been fought 270 00:17:01,465 --> 00:17:02,965 and lost by protesters, 271 00:17:02,985 --> 00:17:05,125 but the evidence on the ground here 272 00:17:05,385 --> 00:17:08,845 of political resistance means it will be very difficult 273 00:17:08,905 --> 00:17:10,845 for the Prime Minister, George Papandreou, 274 00:17:11,225 --> 00:17:14,045 and his government, to push through the package 275 00:17:14,425 --> 00:17:17,165 of austerity measures that they say this country 276 00:17:17,705 --> 00:17:19,125 so desperately needs, 277 00:17:22,035 --> 00:17:23,035 "Thieves. Thieves," they 278 00:17:23,035 --> 00:17:24,845 shout at their government as 279 00:17:24,865 --> 00:17:26,245 inside the Greek parliament 280 00:17:26,245 --> 00:17:28,085 they debate a motion of no confidence. 281 00:17:28,215 --> 00:17:32,245 There is certainly no confidence outside, just fury at those 282 00:17:32,265 --> 00:17:34,085 who have brought such hardship on their country. 283 00:17:34,545 --> 00:17:36,805 In this crowd, at least, there is consensus. 284 00:17:37,035 --> 00:17:39,805 They can never repay the debt and nor should they. 285 00:17:40,905 --> 00:17:42,805 The problem is that in the Greek parliament here, 286 00:17:42,805 --> 00:17:44,765 there is not a single, major political party 287 00:17:45,145 --> 00:17:47,725 or political figure who represents the views 288 00:17:47,725 --> 00:17:51,005 of these protesters: that there should be no more bailouts 289 00:17:51,145 --> 00:17:53,165 and that Greece should default on its debts. 290 00:17:57,185 --> 00:18:00,445 The onus was upon me to come up with proposals, 291 00:18:01,065 --> 00:18:05,285 and I began to write articles and appear on BBC television 292 00:18:05,285 --> 00:18:08,165 left, right and centre, talking about the European 293 00:18:08,165 --> 00:18:13,125 crisis that was coming, with Greece being the subprime nexus 294 00:18:13,465 --> 00:18:17,405 of Europe. Due to the fact 295 00:18:17,405 --> 00:18:19,165 that it was common knowledge 296 00:18:19,165 --> 00:18:22,525 that I had been close at some point to the person 297 00:18:22,545 --> 00:18:25,445 who had become Prime Minister in Greece, the prognostication 298 00:18:25,505 --> 00:18:27,885 from me that the Greek state is bankrupt, 299 00:18:28,035 --> 00:18:29,045 that became big news, 300 00:18:29,625 --> 00:18:34,365 and I immediately became the pole of attraction of 301 00:18:34,585 --> 00:18:38,005 the oligarchy's intense hatred. 302 00:18:39,245 --> 00:18:41,605 I was accused of being a national traitor, 303 00:18:41,795 --> 00:18:44,285 because only a national traitor can precipitate 304 00:18:44,985 --> 00:18:46,885 and bring forward a bankruptcy 305 00:18:46,905 --> 00:18:48,845 by declaring the Greek state to be bankrupt. 306 00:18:48,845 --> 00:18:50,805 And, of course, I was not the bankers' best mate. 307 00:18:51,605 --> 00:18:54,525 I knew that there would be repercussions. 308 00:18:58,225 --> 00:19:01,085 One night, it was a Saturday night in 2011, 309 00:19:01,825 --> 00:19:03,765 my wife's son arrived home 310 00:19:03,765 --> 00:19:05,165 after having been out with friends, 311 00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:06,365 very late. 312 00:19:06,745 --> 00:19:09,525 We hear the thud, we hear his footsteps going 313 00:19:09,525 --> 00:19:10,645 towards his bedroom, 314 00:19:11,945 --> 00:19:13,805 so we both surrender to sleep. 315 00:19:15,685 --> 00:19:19,525 A few minutes later, the landline rings. I pick up the phone, 316 00:19:19,625 --> 00:19:22,365 and there is this suave male voice saying 317 00:19:22,835 --> 00:19:25,165 "Mr. Varoufakis, we are very pleased." 318 00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:28,565 We, the royal we. 319 00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:31,765 "We are very pleased that your son has come back from 320 00:19:32,445 --> 00:19:33,685 a good night out with friends." 321 00:19:35,225 --> 00:19:36,325 I said "Who are you? Who is this?" 322 00:19:37,465 --> 00:19:40,085 He carried on describing 323 00:19:40,895 --> 00:19:45,725 where Danae's son had been, naming streets. 324 00:19:47,185 --> 00:19:51,605 He finished by saying, "If you want him to continue 325 00:19:51,605 --> 00:19:54,805 to return safely every night, you better lay off . . ." 326 00:19:55,185 --> 00:19:56,685 And he mentioned a particular bank. 327 00:19:59,545 --> 00:20:01,645 The next morning I told my wife what had happened, 328 00:20:01,645 --> 00:20:05,445 and she said to me, "Listen, either you get into politics 329 00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:08,205 to protect us or we get out of the country." 330 00:20:08,865 --> 00:20:11,925 So we got out of the country. We migrated to 331 00:20:12,015 --> 00:20:13,565 Austin, Texas of all places. 332 00:20:16,675 --> 00:20:17,685 Outside the headquarters 333 00:20:17,945 --> 00:20:19,885 of the conservative New Democracy Party 334 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:22,965 tonight, the cheers of supporters who have won a narrow 335 00:20:23,225 --> 00:20:24,525 and uncertain victory, 336 00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:28,525 but a victory for all that. Their leader, Antonis Samaras, 337 00:20:28,545 --> 00:20:29,565 is the man most likely 338 00:20:29,565 --> 00:20:31,085 to be the country's next prime minister, 339 00:20:31,345 --> 00:20:34,045 but it's still far from certain he'll have the votes in 340 00:20:34,045 --> 00:20:36,125 Parliament to govern with any effect. 341 00:20:36,395 --> 00:20:38,005 Will you be able to form a government now? 342 00:20:38,575 --> 00:20:41,765 We'll have to, and very soon. I will make sure 343 00:20:42,595 --> 00:20:44,765 that the sacrifices of the Greek people 344 00:20:45,755 --> 00:20:49,085 will bring the country back to prosperity. 345 00:21:03,315 --> 00:21:07,735 By 2014, Greece had already undergone four, 346 00:21:07,735 --> 00:21:10,215 five years of a great depression. 347 00:21:12,515 --> 00:21:15,855 We had lost 28% of national income. 348 00:21:18,475 --> 00:21:22,175 1.3 million unemployed in a country of 10 million people, 349 00:21:22,395 --> 00:21:25,855 of whom only 9% ever received a single penny 350 00:21:26,435 --> 00:21:27,655 in unemployment benefits. 351 00:21:29,845 --> 00:21:31,215 400,000 young men 352 00:21:31,215 --> 00:21:33,255 and women, the best qualified, had left the country. 353 00:21:40,395 --> 00:21:43,295 So, effectively we're talking about a failed state. 354 00:21:52,885 --> 00:21:54,735 When pensions began to decline 355 00:21:56,765 --> 00:22:01,485 and older people increasingly felt that they were 356 00:22:02,565 --> 00:22:06,915 a burden on their families, we had a spate of tragic, 357 00:22:07,575 --> 00:22:09,435 heart-wrenching suicides. 358 00:22:15,175 --> 00:22:17,195 A man in northern Greece went to 359 00:22:17,855 --> 00:22:21,235 the Social Security Department's offices to inquire as 360 00:22:21,355 --> 00:22:25,435 to why his tiny little pension had been eliminated. 361 00:22:26,105 --> 00:22:29,235 They told him that these are the rules 362 00:22:29,235 --> 00:22:30,515 and regulations under the troika, 363 00:22:30,615 --> 00:22:31,715 and there's nothing they can do. 364 00:22:32,895 --> 00:22:36,635 He thanked them. And bystanders, witnesses, 365 00:22:38,025 --> 00:22:40,115 tell us that he looked dazed. 366 00:22:44,095 --> 00:22:45,555 And he walked out, disappeared. 367 00:22:46,175 --> 00:22:50,155 His body was found about two weeks later in a nearby woods, 368 00:22:51,015 --> 00:22:52,035 He'd hanged himself. 369 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:55,995 The only message he left was to his wife: 370 00:22:58,375 --> 00:22:59,395 "Look after the kids." 371 00:23:07,385 --> 00:23:10,675 It's a little bit like Greece was the subprime borrower, 372 00:23:10,935 --> 00:23:12,755 such as we know here in the US, 373 00:23:12,815 --> 00:23:15,235 and the banks over in Europe are getting nervous that 374 00:23:15,235 --> 00:23:18,075 that subprime borrower, Greece, is essentially going 375 00:23:18,075 --> 00:23:21,875 to walk away from the mortgage that they owe the bank. 376 00:23:22,175 --> 00:23:24,755 And so that's essentially the root of the problem. 377 00:23:27,935 --> 00:23:29,955 How would you respond to someone who said 378 00:23:29,955 --> 00:23:33,355 that Greece had a moral obligation to pay back its debts? 379 00:23:37,385 --> 00:23:42,355 Debtors have traditionally been presented as sinners. 380 00:23:43,455 --> 00:23:47,485 The problem with biblical economics, with moralism 381 00:23:48,235 --> 00:23:51,365 applied to debt, is firstly 382 00:23:52,075 --> 00:23:54,365 that it's from an ethical point of view, very dubious, 383 00:23:55,025 --> 00:23:59,005 but I find it more interesting to criticise it as 384 00:23:59,805 --> 00:24:02,445 absolutely inimical to the notion of capitalism. 385 00:24:03,295 --> 00:24:07,485 Capitalism took off only when the bourgeoisie 386 00:24:08,365 --> 00:24:10,965 accepted that every debt is not sacred. 387 00:24:12,305 --> 00:24:15,685 It was only the institution of the public limited company 388 00:24:16,675 --> 00:24:18,485 that allowed capitalism to take off. 389 00:24:19,785 --> 00:24:23,605 So the workhouse, the debtor's prison, had to be closed down 390 00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:25,565 before capitalism succeeded. 391 00:24:25,945 --> 00:24:27,725 And the reason is really very simple. 392 00:24:28,825 --> 00:24:32,685 If a debt that cannot be repaid 393 00:24:33,565 --> 00:24:36,005 confines one to a prison forever, 394 00:24:37,155 --> 00:24:39,765 then clearly nobody's going to take any substantial risks. 395 00:24:39,765 --> 00:24:42,885 The risks that capitalism requires in order to keep 396 00:24:44,445 --> 00:24:47,365 progressing, leaping boundlessly, 397 00:24:47,705 --> 00:24:49,885 as it has been over the last 200 years. 398 00:24:52,235 --> 00:24:55,165 Suppose we as a society were to guarantee bankers 399 00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,965 that which we have guaranteed, at least since 2008, 400 00:24:58,985 --> 00:25:01,445 but, setting that aside, suppose we were 401 00:25:01,445 --> 00:25:04,885 to guarantee all bankers that every single loan 402 00:25:04,955 --> 00:25:08,605 that they gave out would be somehow repaid. Somehow repaid, 403 00:25:09,265 --> 00:25:12,085 by God, by society, bailouts. 404 00:25:12,315 --> 00:25:14,045 Certainly the bankers never have to worry 405 00:25:14,555 --> 00:25:16,605 that they will lose money, that some 406 00:25:16,605 --> 00:25:18,085 of their loans will not be repaid. 407 00:25:19,785 --> 00:25:24,445 If you were a banker with such a cast-iron guarantee 408 00:25:24,915 --> 00:25:27,245 that all your loans will be repaid with interest, 409 00:25:28,485 --> 00:25:32,165 suddenly you have absolutely no incentive to be careful as 410 00:25:32,165 --> 00:25:33,325 to whom you lend money to. 411 00:25:34,545 --> 00:25:39,045 But that means that a gigantic debt bubble would be created, 412 00:25:39,855 --> 00:25:43,045 which would inevitably burst, and 413 00:25:43,045 --> 00:25:44,925 therefore the guarantee would not be honoured 414 00:25:45,025 --> 00:25:46,525 and the banking system would collapse. 415 00:25:47,505 --> 00:25:52,405 So, unsustainable debt, debt haircuts, 416 00:25:53,435 --> 00:25:57,765 debt write-offs, are an essential aspect of capitalism. 417 00:25:58,885 --> 00:26:02,845 Moreover, to say that the ethical burden falls squarely 418 00:26:03,065 --> 00:26:07,205 and exclusively with the debtors is to 419 00:26:07,795 --> 00:26:09,925 lose sight of the very simple fact that 420 00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,845 for every irresponsible debtor there is an 421 00:26:13,595 --> 00:26:14,685 irresponsible lender. 422 00:26:28,525 --> 00:26:31,305 Economic and psychological depression was in the air, 423 00:26:31,885 --> 00:26:35,465 in reality, but in propaganda 424 00:26:35,725 --> 00:26:38,145 it was being presented as a success story. 425 00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:46,365 The whole purpose of the propaganda was to win the elections 426 00:26:46,365 --> 00:26:50,205 that were coming up in order to maintain the fallacy 427 00:26:50,225 --> 00:26:53,045 and the illusion that Greece had been stabilised. 428 00:26:56,105 --> 00:26:58,565 It had been stabilised in the same way 429 00:26:58,995 --> 00:27:02,725 that a comatose patient is stable, in the same way that death 430 00:27:03,625 --> 00:27:05,085 is equivalent to stability. 431 00:27:13,045 --> 00:27:15,535 That was the state of Greece in 2014 . . . 432 00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:25,495 and suddenly somebody who is about to inherit the mantle 433 00:27:25,595 --> 00:27:26,815 of the prime ministership 434 00:27:27,315 --> 00:27:31,815 of the most bankrupt nation in Europe, Alexis Tsipras, 435 00:27:32,115 --> 00:27:36,135 the young new leader of the coalition of the radical left, 436 00:27:36,365 --> 00:27:39,335 says to you, "Your proposals are the right ones 437 00:27:39,335 --> 00:27:40,495 and they need to be implemented, 438 00:27:41,115 --> 00:27:43,855 but we need you to play an active part in doing it." 439 00:27:45,035 --> 00:27:48,975 At that moment, moment, I thought, "Oops. What does one do?" 440 00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:18,955 When this party was rising up in the polls, 441 00:28:19,655 --> 00:28:21,395 it was managing to inspire 442 00:28:22,545 --> 00:28:25,275 hope in the hearts of the many. 443 00:28:25,695 --> 00:28:28,075 Its leader and leadership were coming closer 444 00:28:28,175 --> 00:28:30,035 and closer to proposals 445 00:28:30,115 --> 00:28:32,915 I believed were the right proposals for getting us 446 00:28:33,015 --> 00:28:34,115 out of debtors' prison. 447 00:28:37,255 --> 00:28:39,235 So let's say that Syriza gets elected tomorrow. 448 00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:42,115 What do you do? Do you get out of the Eurozone? 449 00:28:44,095 --> 00:28:48,955 Do you say, "I'm going to simply create my own currency, see it 450 00:28:49,475 --> 00:28:51,195 diminish in value by 95% 451 00:28:52,335 --> 00:28:54,475 and try to go for autarchy?" 452 00:28:56,725 --> 00:28:59,715 There is a case for this. There is a case for this. 453 00:29:00,935 --> 00:29:03,275 Argentina, more or less did that, 454 00:29:04,135 --> 00:29:06,675 and I support what they did entirely. 455 00:29:07,095 --> 00:29:11,195 But Argentina had two major advantages that Greece 456 00:29:11,415 --> 00:29:13,035 and Portugal and Ireland don't have. 457 00:29:13,455 --> 00:29:15,195 The first one was that it had its own currency. 458 00:29:15,975 --> 00:29:19,395 The peso existed. It was only a matter of cutting the peg 459 00:29:19,395 --> 00:29:21,875 with the US dollar and then defaulting 460 00:29:22,815 --> 00:29:24,155 and allowing the peso to fall. 461 00:29:25,095 --> 00:29:27,635 The second thing it had was huge tracts 462 00:29:27,635 --> 00:29:29,995 of land producing the goods that China wanted to buy 463 00:29:30,155 --> 00:29:31,395 precisely at that moment. 464 00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:33,995 Greece doesn't have either of these. 465 00:29:34,215 --> 00:29:35,675 We don't have the drachma to devalue. 466 00:29:36,095 --> 00:29:37,275 We have to create the currency. 467 00:29:37,335 --> 00:29:38,875 It will take, in my estimation, 468 00:29:38,875 --> 00:29:40,275 at least eight months to create it. 469 00:29:40,655 --> 00:29:41,885 So this is a bit 470 00:29:42,005 --> 00:29:44,445 like announcing eight months in advance 471 00:29:44,445 --> 00:29:45,965 devaluation. Do you know what this means? 472 00:29:46,695 --> 00:29:49,605 There will be nothing left in eight months from now, 473 00:29:49,855 --> 00:29:51,485 after the new currency is created. 474 00:29:52,225 --> 00:29:53,885 So, if I'm right in that, 475 00:29:53,945 --> 00:29:58,565 and not everybody agrees with me on the left, 476 00:29:58,585 --> 00:29:59,765 but if I'm right in that, 477 00:30:00,145 --> 00:30:01,645 the only alternative is negotiations. 478 00:30:01,945 --> 00:30:03,485 Our common future in Europe 479 00:30:04,425 --> 00:30:06,085 is not the future of austerity. 480 00:30:06,955 --> 00:30:10,765 It's the future of democracy, solidarity, and cooperation. 481 00:30:11,725 --> 00:30:15,085 I felt that it was almost impossible for me 482 00:30:15,145 --> 00:30:17,605 to resist getting involved with them. 483 00:30:18,385 --> 00:30:19,605 But I have to admit 484 00:30:19,755 --> 00:30:23,685 that when the offer was made, I panicked. 485 00:30:26,105 --> 00:30:29,525 Can I trust Syriza? Can I trust the leadership? 486 00:30:33,205 --> 00:30:37,485 Because I knew that our election would signal, 487 00:30:38,105 --> 00:30:40,725 it would trigger, a war with the creditors. 488 00:30:41,305 --> 00:30:45,365 The creditors were hellbent on 489 00:30:45,885 --> 00:30:50,365 maintaining the status quo, maintaining the debtors' prison 490 00:30:50,365 --> 00:30:55,005 that is Greece, maintaining the unsustainable debt, 491 00:30:55,645 --> 00:30:58,365 because unsustainable debt is power for the creditors. 492 00:31:00,555 --> 00:31:02,405 They would have the media on their side. 493 00:31:02,595 --> 00:31:04,005 They would have the banks on their side, 494 00:31:04,005 --> 00:31:05,605 the European Central Bank on their side, 495 00:31:05,605 --> 00:31:08,205 the International Monetary Fund, the Wall Street Journal, 496 00:31:08,225 --> 00:31:12,805 The Financial Times, the BBC, the whole cabal would be there 497 00:31:13,775 --> 00:31:18,125 doing battle against us to keep our people in debtors' prison. 498 00:31:18,745 --> 00:31:21,765 So we knew, I knew, that we would have 499 00:31:22,165 --> 00:31:26,485 a massive battle on our hands, and unity was of the essence. 500 00:31:30,985 --> 00:31:33,525 Now, like David 501 00:31:33,585 --> 00:31:36,165 and Goliath, you may win. 502 00:31:36,625 --> 00:31:39,325 If you're David, you have a little catapult. 503 00:31:39,335 --> 00:31:44,005 Maybe it'll work. As the finance minister 504 00:31:44,025 --> 00:31:46,325 who would have to go to the Eurogroup to fight 505 00:31:46,665 --> 00:31:49,205 for our side, I would have that little catapult, 506 00:31:49,655 --> 00:31:52,005 which comprised a number of 507 00:31:53,585 --> 00:31:54,925 little weapons that we had. 508 00:31:56,945 --> 00:31:59,485 But for that catapult to be used, I would have 509 00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:03,365 to have the complete backing of our team, the Prime Minister 510 00:32:03,945 --> 00:32:06,045 and the war cabinet, as we used to call it. 511 00:32:06,545 --> 00:32:10,405 The great question that was exercising my mind was, 512 00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:12,685 "Would I have their backing? 513 00:32:13,945 --> 00:32:17,725 Not at the beginning. Not at the middle. 514 00:32:19,825 --> 00:32:21,405 But to the very end. 515 00:32:23,615 --> 00:32:25,605 Would they stick around? 516 00:32:26,055 --> 00:32:29,805 Would unity prevail until that last second?" 517 00:32:30,155 --> 00:32:32,365 That was the great question. 518 00:32:35,105 --> 00:32:38,565 There was a very good reason why it was inside my head, 519 00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:41,685 preventing me from sleeping at night. 520 00:33:04,765 --> 00:33:08,175 This reluctance to join was overcome 521 00:33:09,595 --> 00:33:11,255 by writing my letter of resignation 522 00:33:11,255 --> 00:33:13,295 and carrying it in the inside pocket 523 00:33:13,315 --> 00:33:14,575 of my jacket, wherever I went, 524 00:33:15,635 --> 00:33:17,855 as a reminder of the fact that this is not 525 00:33:17,855 --> 00:33:19,455 for me, this is a chore. 526 00:33:20,045 --> 00:33:21,935 This is like taking the rubbish out at night. 527 00:33:22,815 --> 00:33:24,975 Somebody has to do it. You're doing it. 528 00:33:26,225 --> 00:33:27,335 Don't get wedded to it. 529 00:33:41,915 --> 00:33:43,695 Now imagine a friend of yours comes to you 530 00:33:43,695 --> 00:33:47,455 and his income from his business has shrunk by 50%, 531 00:33:47,675 --> 00:33:48,935 and he can't pay his mortgage. 532 00:33:49,115 --> 00:33:50,895 He's about to lose his house, 533 00:33:52,275 --> 00:33:54,735 and then he says to you, "But I have a solution. 534 00:33:55,465 --> 00:33:59,215 There is this bank that offers me a credit card 535 00:33:59,715 --> 00:34:01,615 to meet my mortgage repayments." 536 00:34:01,965 --> 00:34:03,455 What do you think? Is this a good idea? 537 00:34:05,035 --> 00:34:08,855 If you are a friend, you've got to say to them, "Don't do it. 538 00:34:09,795 --> 00:34:13,375 Do not take a credit card out to pretend 539 00:34:13,445 --> 00:34:15,175 that you are repaying your mortgage." 540 00:34:16,195 --> 00:34:19,335 Now, imagine that your friend said to you that 541 00:34:19,715 --> 00:34:23,735 the bank could only give him this credit card on condition 542 00:34:23,735 --> 00:34:25,815 that he agrees to shrink his income further. 543 00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:29,695 Now, that, of course, is nothing short of complete madness. 544 00:34:31,015 --> 00:34:33,925 Don't do it to the nth. 545 00:34:34,875 --> 00:34:37,245 Well, this is precisely what happened in Greece. 546 00:34:38,065 --> 00:34:39,885 The credit card was a bailout, 547 00:34:40,585 --> 00:34:44,925 and the austerity conditions were the conditions that ensured 548 00:34:45,315 --> 00:34:50,205 that the falling income, due to the recession, would crash 549 00:34:50,545 --> 00:34:53,565 as a result of the harshest austerity in the 550 00:34:53,565 --> 00:34:54,685 history of capitalism. 551 00:34:55,945 --> 00:34:58,645 And of course, what happens when the credit card runs out? 552 00:34:59,595 --> 00:35:01,805 Well, either you have to declare your bankruptcy then, 553 00:35:01,945 --> 00:35:03,125 or get another credit card. 554 00:35:03,625 --> 00:35:06,405 In 2012, Greece was given its second bailout, two 555 00:35:06,405 --> 00:35:07,485 years after the first one. 556 00:35:08,665 --> 00:35:10,605 And towards the end of 2014, 557 00:35:10,605 --> 00:35:12,445 that second bailout was running out. 558 00:35:14,745 --> 00:35:17,565 During the election campaign, Syriza promised them 559 00:35:17,915 --> 00:35:20,525 that we would not take out a third credit 560 00:35:20,595 --> 00:35:21,845 card, a third bailout. 561 00:35:23,445 --> 00:35:25,105 The opinion polls say the leader 562 00:35:25,105 --> 00:35:27,105 of the Greek far left is on the verge 563 00:35:27,105 --> 00:35:28,865 of winning a snap election. 564 00:35:29,655 --> 00:35:32,665 Many here are way to the left of any mainstream party. 565 00:35:33,695 --> 00:35:35,505 Tsipras' aim is to make resistance 566 00:35:35,645 --> 00:35:38,605 to austerity mainstream throughout Europe. 567 00:36:39,425 --> 00:36:42,525 It was absolutely fantastically remarkable 568 00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:46,805 watching a society that had been 569 00:36:47,945 --> 00:36:49,605 beaten into submission. 570 00:36:52,545 --> 00:36:57,285 The demonstrations of 2011 had ended. People were quiet. 571 00:36:58,395 --> 00:37:01,645 They were staying in their homes, not demonstrating, 572 00:37:02,675 --> 00:37:05,605 licking their wounds, privatising their fears 573 00:37:06,185 --> 00:37:07,485 and their terror. 574 00:37:10,745 --> 00:37:13,805 And suddenly in January 2015, 575 00:37:15,315 --> 00:37:19,845 that extreme depression, that extreme case of 576 00:37:20,355 --> 00:37:23,165 privatising aspirations, dreams 577 00:37:23,305 --> 00:37:27,805 and nightmares, gave rise to an explosion 578 00:37:27,905 --> 00:37:32,245 of hope, to a popular movement that went 579 00:37:32,265 --> 00:37:35,325 beyond party political divisions. 580 00:37:40,285 --> 00:37:41,685 I had people stopping me in the streets 581 00:37:41,685 --> 00:37:42,885 saying, "I'm a right-winger. 582 00:37:43,005 --> 00:37:45,725 I voted for New Democracy and never voted for you. 583 00:37:46,225 --> 00:37:49,445 But we are together. We need to recover our dignity. 584 00:37:49,785 --> 00:37:54,565 We need to escape debtors prison." Going from three, four percent 585 00:37:55,825 --> 00:37:58,445 in very few years to 40% to win government — 586 00:38:01,715 --> 00:38:05,525 that goes to show it takes 587 00:38:06,245 --> 00:38:10,885 a small spark of hope to ignite a revolutionary moment, 588 00:38:11,525 --> 00:38:16,205 a moment in history that rewrites the set of possibilities. 589 00:38:23,705 --> 00:38:25,405 The beginning was splendid. 590 00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:28,445 I remember immediately 591 00:38:28,575 --> 00:38:32,565 after being sworn in by the President of the Republic, 592 00:38:34,165 --> 00:38:36,845 I popped into the Prime Minister's office. 593 00:38:37,625 --> 00:38:39,645 It was the first time I entered that room. 594 00:38:41,025 --> 00:38:43,365 It was the first day in office. 595 00:38:44,285 --> 00:38:47,925 I walked in, I looked at Alexis, he looked at me. 596 00:38:48,705 --> 00:38:51,005 We sort of felt awkward being in that room. 597 00:38:51,505 --> 00:38:56,485 We hugged. At the same time we looked at one another 598 00:38:56,505 --> 00:38:58,805 and we said, "Oh my God, what have we done? 599 00:38:59,145 --> 00:39:00,405 We are running this place now." 600 00:39:05,795 --> 00:39:08,365 Immediately after that, it was just the two 601 00:39:08,365 --> 00:39:10,885 of us in a large prime ministerial office, 602 00:39:12,785 --> 00:39:14,285 he says to me, "Well, look around, 603 00:39:15,825 --> 00:39:17,525 but don't get enamoured of it. 604 00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:20,965 because these buildings were not made for us." 605 00:39:23,105 --> 00:39:25,565 He said, "We were created 606 00:39:25,785 --> 00:39:28,125 to be out there on the street demonstrating against 607 00:39:28,145 --> 00:39:29,285 the people in these buildings. 608 00:39:30,385 --> 00:39:32,525 So don't get too comfortable in here. 609 00:39:33,815 --> 00:39:35,365 Let's always be ready to be out there." 610 00:39:36,425 --> 00:39:40,045 And I remember feeling very touched, very moved. 611 00:39:40,645 --> 00:39:43,205 I was almost in tears and we hugged again. 612 00:39:44,505 --> 00:39:45,525 It was at moments like 613 00:39:45,525 --> 00:39:47,605 that at the beginning when I thought we were invincible. 614 00:39:48,265 --> 00:39:51,125 And I have no doubt that had we remained like that, 615 00:39:51,665 --> 00:39:53,005 we would have been invincible. 47122

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