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TJ was a right laugh.
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PHONE BLEEPS
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The banter was just there, the laughs
and the jokes.
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The first time we had sex, why it
felt weird,
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all the secrecy around their body,
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you don't need to lie just tell me
the truth.
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Gender reassignment surgery
never happened.
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I had no control over my own bank.
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Passport was hidden.
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From there it was just downhill
mayhem.
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This is a manipulative,
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lying, deceptive, violent human
being.
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The amount of times I come
out of this house,
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like, covering up black eyes,
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broken noses, busted lips,
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or, actually, walked down the street
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with bite marks on my face,
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I'm screaming and shouting for help.
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My eyes were burning,
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and my throat was burning.
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Roxanne's family were telling her
to leave.
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There is your red flag right there.
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It was all a pack of lies.
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This person was worse than the devil.
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So, my mum's friend was on Plenty
of Fish
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and it looked like there were some
good-looking guys on there,
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so I thought let's give it a go.
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I was just kind of talking to people
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seeing who, really, I caught a vibe
with.
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I feel like TJ was a right laugh.
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I felt relaxed,
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like, the banter was just there,
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the laughing and the jokes, so,
it, kind of, just free flowed.
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What happened with me and my friends
at that day.
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I got raped.
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I feel like being raped at 16,
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the police not believing me...
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..I feel like the mental therapy was
just, kind of, like
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six to 12 sessions, not much really
intense therapy.
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I think I was probably mentally
depressed.
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I feel like I was a lost soul trying
to dig their self out of a grave.
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PHONE NOTIFICATION BLEEPS
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TJ made me feel relaxed,
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TJ made me feel heard
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and TJ made me feel like everything
I felt was OK.
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Roxanne, at that point, really
trusted TJ
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and that must have felt like
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a real gift to be listened to
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to, to be cared about,
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and that person, to be there to
support you.
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So, she may have also felt a huge
sense of
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I can just be myself with this
person.
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TJ's plan was like, "OK we're going
to go have something to eat,
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"have a couple of drinks".
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I was just, kind of, hoping that
person that I had fun talking to
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was that person in real life.
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So, it was like for two weeks we'd
been talking,
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and then I said to TJ, "Oh, I go past
Liverpool Street every day
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"on the way home".
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So, TJ suggested meeting up at
Liverpool Street.
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And then out of nowhere,
TJ just kind of appeared.
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He was a lot shorter than he said
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but apart from that,
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he looked actually quite similar to
the pictures.
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There was no awkwardness.
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It was like I always knew
this person.
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The banter was there.
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It kind of started the same as how,
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like, our conversations were on
the phone.
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Everything just seemed pretty normal.
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And then TJ told me that we have
to go
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to his dad's house for him
to get changed
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because he was hot,
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even though he just came from his
dad's house.
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I was very anxious and worried
cos thought it was a bit weird,
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cos it's like I don't know you,
you know,
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I'm trusting you to take me
to someone's house.
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Just didn't know really what
to expect.
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The first real red flag that is
shown in this relationship
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is when TJ takes Roxanne back
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to his dad's house.
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This wasn't part of the prearranged
location so straight away,
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Roxanne is pulled out of her comfort
zone
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and has gone somewhere she wasn't
expecting to go.
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What people need to understand in
this situation,
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are you doing what you feel
is right?
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Is it comfortable for you?
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Because if it's not, you trust that
instinct and you need to walk away.
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We literally walked in, and I just
thought,
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"Oh, my God, there's nowhere for me
to sit," because it was so nasty.
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You know when a carpet's just been
ripped up?
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It was just that throughout.
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And it was dirty.
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There was a sofa bed with all
the foam showing.
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It was proper filth.
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TJ just kind of stood there with me,
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just talking to me
and we was chatting.
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He said, like, "I'm sorry about the
state of the house.
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"this is not where I live. This is my
dad's.
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And I was like, "OK"
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like, just went with it really.
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We just stayed there talking
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for a bit longer and stuff
and I just went home.
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TJ texted me when I got home kept
on talking.
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It just kind of went from there,
really.
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It kind of just carried on talking
and meeting up
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and having a laugh and joke.
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Looking back on it now, it was very
intense, very quickly.
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It kind of went to, like, every day.
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At first it was all really happy
for her
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just being with someone,
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and she was obviously wanting
to spend time with him,
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and they were enjoying time together
for her to be away from home.
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But, yeah, at first it just seemed
normal.
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It was obvious the conversations
weren't as often as we used to
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have them.
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I just didn't get to talk to her.
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It was always them.
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It was just, "Oh, yeah, we were just
busy or I'm just spending time
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"with him," and that was just kind
of how it was.
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It was the texts, the calls,
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the understanding my feelings,
I'm stressed at work,
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I'd got a lot going on,
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and TJ is making it feel like
everything was OK.
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Like TJ had my back and no-one else
did.
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This is the stage that I see as very
much, TJ infiltrating her space.
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Like, "You cannot be without me.
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"I'm always there".
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"I'm always here to
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"take care of you."
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I'm always here to do anything
for you."
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He was literally giving her no
breathing space
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to be away from him. Like, "Look how
close we are.
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"Look how much I love you".
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I think this is the beginning of
reeling her in.
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We only had intimacy once.
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That was the only time throughout
the relationship.
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It was very uncomfortable.
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TJ wanted complete darkness.
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TJ kept clothes on.
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You wasn't allowed to touch,
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you wasn't allowed to have lights on.
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You wasn't allowed to strip them.
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It made me feel absolutely weird
and strange
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and the most unnatural situation
you could ever have been in.
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Then after that, it was like,
"I don't want to rush.
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"I want to take the sex out of it
and just get to know you".
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I want you to feel loved and cared
for
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and not everything based around
intimacy.
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And I was just like, "OK, this is
different",
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because normally when you first
meet someone
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and you finally do get intimate
with them,
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it's that honeymoon stage,
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it's like you can't keep your hands
off each other
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but it was flipped back on me like,
well, no, actually,
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we're going to take that away.
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And I was just like, "OK, this is
really not how I expected it to go."
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So, after me and TJ had sex,
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I feel like it was two weeks later
that we went to Shoreditch.
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TJ just said that we was going to go
for cocktails
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and have a nice night
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and everything was just going to be
happy.
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I feel like I was trying to go with
it
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to see if there was anything that was
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going to come better from the
situation.
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I was happy the fact that we was
going out for cocktails
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and finally getting out of that
house.
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So, it's the bar coming up.
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It looked different back then.
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TJ ordered cocktails.
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I'm smoking a cigarette
we're chatting,
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and TJ says, "I have something to
tell you."
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TJ told me that they were
transitioning.
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They were born with both genders
in them
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and they wanted to go from male
to female
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cos they believed that was their
true gender.
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I'm going to have to take my time
to get my head around this,
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especially of the fact of like,
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I've never been with anyone like
this,
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I've never dated any one like this,
I don't know no-one like this,
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I was very shocked
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and I, kind of, felt like, "How did
you think this was going to be OK?"
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Like, "How do you think this is
going to work?
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"Did you think no-one was ever going
to ask questions
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"or people are that stupid?"
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I kind of felt, like, "If I get up
and run now,
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"it's pretty awful of me"
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and then I found out the surgery was
happening within, I believe,
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a week of this and it was only going
to be a day surgery,
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which I found really weird.
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I feel like it's not right to throw
that on someone,
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especially without asking them how
they feel.
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No-one really matters apart from TJ's
world.
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This is mind-blowing information.
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He's never shown any hint of any
of this
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and suddenly he's laid all of this
information bare on her.
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What that is, is information that is
going to shift
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the nature of their relationship.
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If she stays, how does she feel
about it?
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What does she want?
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Does she want to be in this
situation or not?
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I'm confused, like I'm not even this
way inclined.
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Should I just stay
and be supportive?
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You should have been honest from
the start with me,
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not held this information in.
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There was, just, so many things
going through my mind at that stage.
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Trauma bonding is a term that's used
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to describe how perpetrators online
and off,
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will use trauma as a means to bond
with their victim.
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To initiate pity, sympathy, empathy,
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attention, from, from the person
who's on the receiving end.
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When TJ discloses that he's
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going to have this gender
reassignment surgery,
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I suspect that he needed
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to lure Roxanne in here by making
her feel sorry for him,
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pitying him, you know,
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realising how tender and how wounded
he was.
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But obviously, the goal is to coerce
and control.
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Then when I asked, "Can I go to the
hospital?" It was no.
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"Can I come to your surgery?" No.
"Can I come around the same day?" No.
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How you coming home the same day from
surgery?
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It's a big surgery.
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I just felt that there were so many
excuses
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it's just not right.
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I was kind of confused because there
was no...
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..nothing that I would say looked
anything like
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a surgery has even happened.
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It just didn't look right.
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And TJ was like, "Oh, yeah, I've had
this done,
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"that done, they built the vagina..."
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and I'm just like trying to listen
and take this all in,
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but trying to understand that I don't
get how you are at home.
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It was all, though, like TJ had the
answer for the whole scenario.
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I was trying to believe TJ but at
the same time, in case I'm wrong,
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still support this person
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or try and understand this person
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or understand what they're going
through.
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I mean it got to the point where I
would call her and
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and it wouldn't even be her
answering the phone,
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it would be him, and he'd say things
like,
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"She's not home. She's in the bath.
She's having a nap."
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Later on, I'd find out Roxanne
was actually there,
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but she just didn't know
I was calling,
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and she would look on the call log
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and there would be no call from me
because he'd deleted it.
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So, this is definitely
a huge red flag.
247
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TJ's isolating Roxanne from
her family.
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The communication has been broken.
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She isn't getting any contact
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with those people who matter to her
because in doing so,
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he could have more monopoly
over her,
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more control over her.
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And by having more control over
her,
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she'd become more reliant on him
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and so the co-dependency glue
between them thickens.
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So literally from surgery,
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it just went from name calling
to a slap,
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to a punch, to "No-one loves you.
No-one cares for you.
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"You're fat, you're ugly. You're a
slag."
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I could actually tell you like
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the amount of times my head was
slammed against that door,
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or the side of that wall.
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Covering up black eyes,
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broken noses, busted lips,
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or actually walked down the street
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with bite marks on my face.
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I feel like TJ emotionally,
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was just abusing me to feel like I
was reliant on them.
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She was coming home with bruises,
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and she was clearly being hit.
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Yeah, I questioned her quite a lot.
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We see the biggest red flag of them
all.
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It has ramped up from controlling,
the jealousy, to physical violence.
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She would say it was
just play fighting
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and like accidental things that had
happened or something she had
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inflicted on herself.
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It was like she was just hiding
everything.
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It was obvious what was going on
but you can only ask.
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TJ found out that I got raped
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when I was 16.
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TJ acted very angry, wanted revenge.
282
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Then TJ asked me who the person is.
283
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I told them who they were.
284
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And then I found out that TJ knew
the guy that done it to me.
285
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From there it was just downhill
mayhem.
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00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,720
TJ had no car and TJ needed a car,
287
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,840
so TJ went online and used someone
else's pictures,
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pretended to be that woman,
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convinced the victim to come to
the house to steal their car...
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..drugged the victim up, and then
stole the victim's keys.
291
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POLICE SIREN
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We was driving. Police sirens went
off.
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Got pulled over.
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The police searched the car,
295
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520
and they found a disguised Taser in
the back.
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I feel 100% remorse for the guy that
got caught up in this madness.
297
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,320
I fully accept my part that I
should've told the police the truth.
298
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I should have told them exactly what
was going on.
299
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,040
I feel absolutely so apologetic
for the victim.
300
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,200
And I feel bad for what happened.
301
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,560
I think I was packing to leave. I was
like, "I'm out of here. I'm done."
302
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,920
Started packing my bags to go back to
my mum's
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00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,160
and TJ was like, "You're not leaving.
304
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,360
"If anyone's going to leave, we're
leaving together dead."
305
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:37,920
Next thing, I smelt fire, and I ran
in there and my bag was lighting up.
306
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,520
So, I put it out and I was like,
"What are you doing?"
307
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,160
Next you know, TJ's trying to light
another bag.
308
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,640
I put that one out.
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00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,680
TJ just started beating on me.
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I think it ended up, at one point,
I'm on the floor.
311
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,240
TJ's pouring water down my throat.
312
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,720
Then the next thing you know,
313
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,000
TJ's sprayed me with lighter fluid.
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00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,640
So, my throat's hurting, my eyes are
burning,
315
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
my face is being irritated, my hair
is,
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00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,960
I'm wet,
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00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,280
I'm covered in lighter fluid...
318
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,040
..and TJ was trying to set me alight.
319
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,320
I'm screaming and shouting for help
320
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,920
and then, somehow, I ended up being
allowed to go and get in the shower
321
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,120
cos my eyes were burning and my
throat was burning
322
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,760
and as I'm in the shower, TJ came in,
punched me in the side of my face
323
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,040
and said, "You stupid bitch,
I was born a female."
324
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,400
I was like, "Oh, my God. This makes
sense."
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00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,720
Like, bells on.
Everything's answered itself now.
326
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240
The first time we had sex,
why it felt weird,
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all the secrecy around their body,
328
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,480
Not being able to do anything normal
with them in bed
329
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,480
the fact that you came back
the same day from operation,
330
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,160
it just all made sense.
331
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,160
The gender reassignment surgery
never happened.
332
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,080
TJ was born a female.
333
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,480
It was all a pack of lies.
334
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,240
We know that all wholesome,
335
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,080
healthy relationships are built on
mutual trust.
336
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,640
The biggest and most obvious red
flag is that
337
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,720
there was no trust,
338
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,160
there was no consent,
339
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,600
there was no authenticity.
340
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,440
If we discover this pattern,
this cycle of fakery,
341
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,600
those are red flags in itself that
tell us,
342
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,200
get out and get out double quick.
343
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,880
I wanted answers.
344
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,600
I knew TJ was lying,
345
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,840
but I wanted the proof, erm,
346
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,680
that TJ was pretending to be a male,
347
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,160
that TJ lied about transitioning.
348
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,800
I didn't know if I was even going to
go anywhere with it at this point.
349
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,360
I needed it for me.
350
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,400
TJ wasn't in the house
351
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,480
and I was looking through
the clothes cupboard.
352
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,640
I found letters from when TJ was
previously in prison,
353
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,600
from an ex-girlfriend writing and
saying,
354
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,760
"Why you in a female prison if you
was born a man?
355
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,880
"Because you've transitioned
so why'd you lie to me?"
356
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,080
I suddenly realised at that
moment that
357
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,520
TJ has done this before.
358
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,360
It made me feel that I'm not alone
359
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,480
and I wanted to get justice
for us all.
360
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,600
And then I found...
361
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,040
..the fake penis.
362
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,200
I was shocked.
363
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:44,120
I was like, "OK, so this is what you,
obviously, used
364
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,880
"when we first had sex."
365
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,680
It just made sense to why it was
so uncomfortable
366
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,000
and so painful,
367
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,640
and why the room had
to be in pure darkness
368
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,440
and why I wasn't allowed to touch
them.
369
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,920
TJ came back from wherever TJ was and
I said,
370
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,640
"I found that penis that you used."
371
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720
And TJ's like, "Shut up, you know I
was born a man."
372
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,880
I was like, "No, you were a female.
You admitted it.
373
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,640
"So, you don't need to lie.
Just tell me the truth."
374
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,280
And TJ just beat me, so,
375
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,760
I, kind of, got the answer that I
wanted it was the one that you used.
376
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,720
So, this is just before where
we lived.
377
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,680
So, I was only allowed the phone when
it suited TJ.
378
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,840
I was only allowed to talk
to my mum when it suited TJ.
379
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,040
If TJ felt like beating me that day,
TJ would.
380
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,400
I think it's all control.
381
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,080
I mean, I had no bank card.
382
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,960
I had no control over my own bank.
383
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,360
Passport was hidden.
384
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,360
They had everything.
385
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,760
I think TJ knew by that point that
I knew it was a lie.
386
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,840
TJ knew that I didn't like them
at all.
387
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,440
They knew I hated them.
388
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,360
I feel like she hid quite a lot.
389
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,640
I thought it was because I was
young,
390
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,840
and she didn't want me knowing or
391
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,400
if she just didn't feel like she
could
392
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,880
say what was happening
393
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,440
but she definitely didn't tell us
everything we should have known.
394
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,320
A lot of people felt, I guess,
395
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,760
upset and angry at me that I didn't
call on no-one for help
396
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,320
but on the other hand,
397
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,080
I got myself into this
and I'm going to get myself out.
398
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,440
I think it can be very hard
sometimes
399
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,400
for people in abusive, toxic,
400
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,160
violent relationships to get up and
leave,
401
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,640
because, by that point, they have
402
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,200
possibly been so beaten down,
403
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,520
they have probably been isolated
from loved ones and friends.
404
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,120
They might have also experienced
405
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,600
intermittent reward from this
person.
406
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Sometimes they're absolutely
wonderful and what they
407
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,840
then, are engaged in trying to do is
get that person back.
408
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,160
So, if I change the way I am,
409
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,320
that person will be loving and
410
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,000
and kind to me like they used to be.
411
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,560
But at this point, this person is
just trying very hard just
412
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,360
to survive from one day to
the next.
413
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,240
So, while we was moving,
I went through a lot of moving,
414
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,640
packing things up.
415
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,800
I realised there was a number of
birth certificates.
416
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,400
There was fake ones with like
different male names.
417
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Then I realised there was one it had
418
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,680
the real stamp of approval,
419
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,080
everything on it was just real
420
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480
and the name there was Hannah
Walters.
421
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,920
On the birth certificate, it had
Hannah Walters, birth female,
422
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,480
and the parents and the hospital
and, obviously, the address.
423
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,520
This must be this person's real
identity.
424
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,040
I now know the truth,
425
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,280
that TJ and all the other alias names
that they have,
426
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,320
is absolute lies.
427
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,760
This person's name is Hannah Walters
428
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,480
and they're born a female.
429
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,480
This is a devastating and shocking
moment for her
430
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,360
to discover that the whole
relationship, up to this point,
431
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,960
has been a lie.
432
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,240
At this point,
433
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,840
when Roxanne discovers TJ was born
a woman
434
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,800
and has other identities this
suggests to me
435
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,040
a very manipulative, dishonest,
person,
436
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,800
willing to lie so that they can do
what they want with you after that.
437
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,520
My investigation was done.
438
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,960
Now I needed to get the hell out of
this relationship.
439
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,680
TJ was constantly threatening
440
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,000
to set my mum's house alight,
441
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,120
to get my mum's family raped, to get
them murdered.
442
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,640
I felt petrified for their safety
443
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,800
because I knew TJ was capable
444
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,400
of everything that TJ was saying.
445
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,080
This person was worse than the devil.
446
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,320
When they realised there's
no more fear put into you,
447
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,600
they then turn on to the people you
love.
448
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,240
My mum was then getting to the point
where we weren't talking to her,
449
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,400
and she weren't coming home
450
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,800
so that's when she started getting
the police involved
451
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,880
and calling them to go check on her.
452
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,120
My mum was really paranoid.
453
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,720
Roxanne's family are almost begging
her to leave him.
454
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,680
They don't want her in this
455
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:57,160
relationship with TJ
456
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,720
and this is something that we see
457
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,200
time and time again.
458
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,360
Ordinarily, the person involved in
that relationship
459
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,640
doesn't see how toxic and dangerous
it is.
460
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,840
It's the people in their
inner circle,
461
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,120
these people on the outside that are
462
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,880
so important in cases like this.
463
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Roxanne's family were telling her
to leave.
464
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,520
There is your red flag right there.
465
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,560
I rang my mum's friend and said,
"I need a cab now",
466
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,040
and I was like, "That's it, I'm
done, forget the stuff.
467
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,000
"I can order new bank cards,
forget everything. I'll start again.
468
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,360
"My body can't take no more. I've had
enough".
469
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,480
I don't know if TJ followed one day.
470
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,520
I don't know how,
471
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,760
but somehow TJ found out where I was.
472
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,240
One night I was asleep, and I could
hear the door going.
473
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,520
So, I ran up the stairs to my mum's
friend and I said,
474
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,760
"TJ's outside. I'm scared".
475
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,040
I didn't hardly sleep either. I was
scared to sleep.
476
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,880
In the morning, I said to my mum,
477
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,560
"I need to call the police. I can't
do this. My life is a living hell".
478
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:57,320
So, we did.
479
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Watching the police officer's face
when I'm trying to
480
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,360
explain this scenario,
481
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,080
I don't know if I felt more
uncomfortable and more confused
482
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,080
or the poor first police officer that
had to listen to this.
483
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,880
I'm receiving phone calls off
TJ's mobile.
484
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,120
So, I ring the officer in question
and I'm like,
485
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,200
"TJ is calling me from the police
cells".
486
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,920
They're like, "What?"
487
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,080
I was like, "TJ's calling me from the
police cells".
488
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,400
So, from there, they had to transfer
TJ to Holborn Police Station
489
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,840
and from that day, I never heard from
TJ again.
490
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,520
So, I was not a willing participant
in this crime whatsoever.
491
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,000
I didn't want no part of it.
492
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000
I mean, by this point I wasn't
allowed to eat
493
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,640
unless TJ gave me permission to eat.
494
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,680
I wasn't allowed to do anything apart
from if TJ agreed.
495
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:27,360
If not, I'd be beaten up.
496
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,960
I had no choice but to stay.
497
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,640
This story is incredibly mind
boggling
498
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,640
and very devastating from
Roxanne's point of view,
499
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,920
being caught in the net of a
manipulative, lying,
500
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,200
deceptive, violent human being.
501
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,120
What Roxanne would have had no idea
about, when she started
502
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,920
communicating with TJ online, was
that TJ was a serial abuser.
503
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,560
I feel very sorry for Roxanne in
this situation
504
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,520
because she has been duped by
505
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,360
a very dangerous con artist.
506
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,400
Roxanne was affected really bad,
really bad,
507
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,840
and even with moving on and getting
into new relationships,
508
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,240
I feel like it's always going to be
something that
509
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,760
she'll just have to think about.
510
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,680
You don't really know someone,
511
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,160
especially when you're just looking
at how they're presenting
512
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,320
themselves and telling you who they
are.
513
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,880
I think what people forget is that
514
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,000
rape survivors or abuse survivors
are left with
515
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,800
a life sentence of memories,
PTSD, feelings,
516
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,560
depression, anxiety...
517
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,240
Whatever you may have, we are left
with that for life.
518
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,720
This is a very unusual case,
519
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,040
but I think it's important to be
mindful that,
520
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,320
we're all susceptible to being taken
advantage of,
521
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,320
particularly if you are going
through
522
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,440
a vulnerable time in your life or
have been through difficulties or
523
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,640
traumatic periods in your life
524
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,280
and you then meet somebody who
apparently offers you
525
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,920
the solution and is loving and kind
526
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,480
and compassionate.
527
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,240
It is important for everybody
528
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,640
to be aware that we are all
potentially susceptible
529
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,480
to being taken advantage of.
530
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:35,720
To this day, TJ, has still not
admitted to me why TJ lied.
531
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,720
When TJ got sentenced, TJ looked at
me because TJ knew I'd won.
532
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,840
I smiled.
533
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,520
I was with another survivor.
534
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,920
We held hands.
535
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,920
I won.
536
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,920
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