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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,880 He would come to my house on his way home from shift, 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,960 and he'd have his firefighter gear on. You could smell the smoke. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,560 Everybody loved James Scott. 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,320 Everybody. He won everybody over. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,280 There was this little black book sitting in 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,920 the branches of the Christmas tree. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,640 I took it out and opened it up 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,480 and it just said, "Coleen Scott's wedding diary." 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,400 I said...I said yes. 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,200 I...I couldn't really not say it. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,520 I didn't feel I could say no. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,040 My daughters were 13 and 15. 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,840 My family was complete in my eyes. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,800 I was like, "Are you sure? You know, once you do this, 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:47,960 "there's no going back." 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,760 He is making this life-changing decision. That's the red flag. 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,080 I went into shock. I just couldn't... 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,360 ..couldn't get my head around it. 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,840 I had this awful fear that he's 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,600 going to think I've cheated on him. 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,200 This was breaking my heart. My wedding dress is hanging there, 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,000 Everything's ready to go, and he's sitting there saying, 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,680 "I can't go ahead with it." 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,120 He was crying his eyes out. 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:16,520 The feeling of...helplessness was just terrible. 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,240 I'd been single for quite a while, 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,440 I had come out of quite a long relationship, 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,600 I'd been married for 17 years. 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,240 I just thought it might be nice to dip my toe back in 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,840 the dating scene and maybe go for a few dates, 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,320 have a bit of fun. A lot of my friends were doing it. 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,000 The apps were getting quite popular, 33 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,400 and I thought, "Well, I've got nothing to lose, 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,520 "it might be fun," so I gave it a go. 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,520 I got a message from 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,480 a gentleman who called himself Firefighter J, 37 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,800 that was his profile name. 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,320 He didn't have a profile picture on. 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,280 He just said for the nature of his job, 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,600 he didn't like to put his picture out there. 41 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:27,560 And he emailed me loads of photos straight away. 42 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,640 It was exciting cos we did seem to have a lot in common - 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,600 he had two daughters, I had two daughters. 44 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:38,400 He was divorced, I was divorced. 45 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,560 I definitely thought, "Yes, seems like my kind of person." 46 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,160 I think it's great being a twin. 47 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,360 It means you have a best friend that's always got your back. 48 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,800 Coleen and I worked together. 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,480 We both worked for student accommodation 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,920 for Durham University. 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,800 One afternoon at work I got a message, 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,640 and he'd just been playing a round of golf 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,120 because he wasn't on shift that afternoon 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,760 and said he could pop into Durham. 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,720 I said to her, actually, "Just go, just go and 56 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,600 "see if there's a spark. Go and meet him 57 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:13,640 "and then you'll know if it's something that you really, 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,360 "you know, want to pursue or not." 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,760 So, yeah, I nervously decided that, yeah, 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,400 I'll go, go meet him for coffee. 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,280 His photos were genuine, he was the spit of his photographs. 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,680 And he worked out of Darlington Fire Station, 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,440 part of the White Watch. 64 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,200 His stories were so interesting 65 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,480 and all these tales about the guys he worked with at 66 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,200 the station, and it was entertaining. 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,160 And, yeah, I left and thought, 68 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,320 "Nice guy," you know, "I might see him again." 69 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,760 After we'd only had two or three dates, 70 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,400 he would pop in to work quite regularly. 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,200 He'd bring me croissants or chocolate bars and flowers. 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,000 They'd be the most beautiful bouquets coming to work. 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,040 But they'd be coming sometimes on a daily basis, 74 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,400 on occasion twice a day. 75 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,880 I remember one instance, he sent flowers three times in one day. 76 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,840 The guys at work were always ribbing and teasing me 77 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,640 because it's like, "He's a bit keen, isn't he?" 78 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,040 The thing is, with love-bombing, it is disguised as love. 79 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,440 What James does, you know, he sends flowers, 80 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,240 he sends chocolates, nothing that extravagant, 81 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:36,760 but romantic. 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,600 He is being very romantic. 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Something that Coleen is desperate for, 84 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,240 that is missing from her life, 85 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:46,880 and immediately he is filling that void. 86 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,640 When I first met James, 87 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,400 I was quite taken by how charismatic he was, really, 88 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,320 very gregarious. 89 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,280 There was no nerves at all about meeting new family members. 90 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,920 He was very, you know, larger than life, very boisterous. 91 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,560 I'd like to describe it as, you know, meeting a Jack Russell 92 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,680 in a house, and he'll run around, jump on you, try and lick you. 93 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,640 You know, that kind of personality. 94 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,080 Very excitable. 95 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,120 To me, family's everything. 96 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,160 The fact that my girls liked him, they got on, 97 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,320 my mum liked him, my sister, my brother-in-law, 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,880 all my friends. It was just great. Perfect. 99 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,760 What's so interesting about James at this point is that he's 100 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,440 incredibly good at getting other people to like him. 101 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,480 And so I think all those kinds of danger points that you might 102 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,080 look for at this point in time aren't showing. 103 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,000 KAREN:James was really passionate about his job. 104 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,040 He really sort of came alive when he was talking about his career 105 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,720 and the Fire Service and all his colleagues. 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,720 He would come to my house on his way home from shift 107 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,360 and he'd have his firefighter gear on. 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,960 You could smell the smoke on it. 109 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,800 He told us a story about how he had saved a little boy 110 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:10,320 from a burning building and jumped out and landed on his back. 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,200 And that's apparently how he broke his back. 112 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,240 He had a card from the little boy, 113 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:16,680 and he actually gave me that card. And I was so proud. 114 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,760 I used to keep it on my desk at work. 115 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,920 He is the hero. He is the saviour. 116 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,880 And, you know, he is a firefighter. 117 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,800 So, for the evenings and the occasions 118 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,120 he is not around, Coleen's thinking, 119 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,960 "Well, he's off saving someone's life, I can't be cross with that 120 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,720 "because he is making a difference." 121 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,880 And that's exactly what he wants her to think. 122 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,560 SIRENS WAIL 123 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,120 About six months into our relationship, 124 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,320 I discovered I was pregnant, and it was a shock. 125 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,240 I didn't know what to do for the best. 126 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:59,280 My daughters were 13 and 15. 127 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,840 My family was complete in my eyes. 128 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,600 James had his two daughters, his family was complete. 129 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,320 So we had the difficult conversation 130 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,200 and decided that the best thing, you know, 131 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,920 was to terminate the pregnancy. 132 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Yeah, it was, um... Yeah. 133 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,400 I'd never had to deal with anything like that before, 134 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,000 and it was a hard decision to make, 135 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,280 and I did find it really, really tough. 136 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,840 I wouldn't say I made the wrong decision 137 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,760 but I definitely didn't take it lightly. 138 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,040 I was terrified if it happened once, 139 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,840 what's to say it wouldn't happen again? 140 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,680 And from that point I wasn't comfortable having 141 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,920 a physical relationship, just out of fear that... 142 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,040 It was almost like a bit of PTSD. 143 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,480 I was just so scared that that could happen again 144 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,880 that our relationship halted at that point 145 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,280 because I was too frightened. 146 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,800 James suggested having a vasectomy. 147 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,520 He didn't want me worrying, 148 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,520 and obviously he wanted us to have a relationship together. 149 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,720 I was like, "Are you sure?" I said, "You know, once you do this, 150 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,200 "there's no going back." But he was adamant that it was the 151 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,880 right thing to do for our relationship. 152 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,880 KAREN:The fact he would so selflessly decide to have 153 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,920 a vasectomy just for Coleen's peace of mind, 154 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,760 we just thought was such a nice, kind, giving act of love, really, 155 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,720 and we all loved him a little bit more for that. 156 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,640 I think the red flag comes around his willingness 157 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:42,840 to get this vasectomy 158 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,480 because they hardly know each other, really. 159 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,360 He is making this life-changing decision, 160 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,400 like this. SHE SNAPS HER FINGERS 161 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,560 I didn't go with him for this procedure, he went privately. 162 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,480 He was very stoic about it, he was going to go on his own. 163 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,200 In due course, he showed me the documentation to prove he'd got 164 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,840 a nil sperm count, and once I'd seen that, then, yeah, 165 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,680 our relationship could, in its fullness, you know, start again. 166 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,320 This is a really significant place 167 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,640 because this is where I found out I was pregnant again. 168 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:35,920 James had had a vasectomy, so that couldn't be possible. 169 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,200 But on a night out with Karen and Ryan and James, 170 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,760 I just didn't feel right. I felt a bit out of sorts. 171 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,440 A little uneasy, almost like I had done in my previous pregnancies, 172 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,200 which I knew was stupid, ridiculous. 173 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,120 So I took Karen to one side 174 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,240 and told her I was feeling that 175 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,960 I just felt like I could be pregnant, 176 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,600 which she thought was hilarious, 177 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,160 but I wouldn't let it go, to the point that she turned 178 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,640 to James and said, "For God's sake, James, will you nip to the chemist, 179 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:05,960 "get Coleen a pregnancy test, and then we can all put this to bed." 180 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,800 I did the test and up came a blue line, 181 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,800 and I just couldn't believe what I was looking at. 182 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,200 I was in such shock. 183 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,920 I remember thinking, 184 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,400 "This is absolutely ridiculous, this isn't right." 185 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,840 But, no, she was, 186 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,080 she went on to do about six further tests and she was pregnant. 187 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,920 We were all flabbergasted, except for James. 188 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,080 The rest of us were devastated, and he... "Oh, this is good." 189 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,800 And I couldn't understand why he would go through having 190 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,560 a vasectomy to then find out Coleen was pregnant again 191 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,240 and think this was a good thing. 192 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,280 You put his behaviour 193 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,760 and his responses to certain situations all together 194 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,760 and there is your red flag. 195 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,520 I was horrified cos I couldn't be pregnant. 196 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,120 There was no way, I'd seen the test results. 197 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:58,000 James had had the vasectomy. But it said I was. 198 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,680 All I could think to myself was, "How has this happened?" 199 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,160 And worse, "James is going to think I've been unfaithful." 200 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,680 And I kept telling him, "I haven't, I wouldn't, 201 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,840 "I could never do that to you." 202 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,240 And he was so, so sweet, he just said, 203 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,880 never, never would he ever think that of me. 204 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,440 KAREN:I remember at the time thinking how understanding 205 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,200 and trusting of him to believe without a shadow of 206 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,200 a doubt that she hasn't cheated on him. 207 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Because I think most men in that situation would have 208 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,440 a few niggling doubts. 209 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,680 There was no way I was having another termination after how 210 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,440 I felt last time and the soul-searching 211 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,880 and the upset, and I just knew, 212 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,160 and James knew that I could never do that. 213 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,320 It was never up for discussion that I would be having this baby. 214 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,720 PHONE RINGS I started to bleed, 215 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,360 and it was scary. 216 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,680 So I tried to get in contact with James. 217 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,840 He was on shift at the time, 218 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,040 he didn't answer his phone. I left him loads 219 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,400 of messages, didn't get any response. 220 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,920 RYAN:Karen and I were there with her, 221 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,120 supporting her all the way. 222 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,000 None of us could get James on the phone. 223 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,320 I was very angry with James, I found it really, really difficult 224 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,400 to understand why he wouldn't be there at that time. 225 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,040 I know I hadn't wanted this baby, 226 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,320 but I wanted this baby now, I loved this baby. 227 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,440 I was scared to breathe, really. 228 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,240 I was so scared every movement would bring my labour on. 229 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,760 At this point there was no sign of James. 230 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,520 He still hadn't returned any of my calls. 231 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,200 I was in an awful state. 232 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,640 James turned up, it must have been maybe three or four hours 233 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:13,400 after I'd been in the hospital. 234 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,800 He came in wearing his firefighter gear, 235 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,680 he'd come straight from a shout. 236 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,080 KAREN:It was Bonfire Night. So it's the busiest night 237 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,720 of the year for the Fire Service. 238 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,280 And he was just so sorry that he couldn't be there. 239 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,800 He's saving lives, isn't he, so what can you do? 240 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,160 You can't be too annoyed. 241 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,560 I think what James is doing very cleverly is developing 242 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,240 the scaffolding of a story. 243 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,240 And he's fantastic at this storytelling. 244 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,560 And from Coleen's point of view, she's buying into it. 245 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,680 It was just before the Christmas, 246 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,000 so I will have been six months pregnant. 247 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,800 And I came into the living room and my girls were there, 248 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,960 and James said, 249 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,960 "Can you see anything different? What about the Christmas tree?" 250 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,640 And so I got up and waddled over to the tree 251 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:07,400 and there was this little black book sitting in 252 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,280 the branches of the Christmas tree, 253 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,760 so I took it out and opened it up 254 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,680 and it just said, "Coleen Scott's wedding diary." 255 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,920 It had these little, like, mini Post-it notes, 256 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,520 and they were numbered one to five, or one to six. 257 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,520 And number one was "meet the wedding planner", 258 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,680 and the time and the day and the venue 259 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,000 I was meeting the wedding planner. 260 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,320 Number two, cake tasting and where we were going to do it and the time. 261 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,960 And then it just went on like that. 262 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,480 You know, wedding dress fitting, 263 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,400 and then even then onto details of the honeymoon 264 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,120 and the flight numbers and everything, 265 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,800 all chapter-and-verse in this diary. 266 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,680 It was a massive surprise to Coleen. 267 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,600 She really wasn't expecting to get proposed to. 268 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,720 But then it wasn't really a proposal 269 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,400 because it was all done fait accompli. 270 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,560 I was just flummoxed, I was just totally shocked. 271 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,160 It was never on my agenda. 272 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,280 I didn't want to get married again. 273 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 What feels like is going on is that Coleen is now 274 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,920 an object who he's managing, 275 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,240 and he's created this fantasy wedding around her, 276 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,800 and she just has to take part in it. 277 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,200 And telling her two daughters, who are very excited 278 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,800 by this whole wedding, 279 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,440 is all adding to her being squeezed out of the story, actually, 280 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,960 because it's no longer about the two of them. 281 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,960 It's about what he's doing for her. 282 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,440 And he's got full control at this point. 283 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,560 I just turned to him and he's down on one knee with a ring. 284 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,520 You could have knocked me down with a feather. 285 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,000 I did not see that coming. 286 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,040 I said...I said yes. 287 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,880 I...I couldn't really not say it. 288 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,600 I didn't feel like I could say no. 289 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,880 And I'm not saying I didn't want to marry him. 290 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,880 I loved him and we were having a baby. 291 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,920 Just, it had never been anything that I'd even...considered, 292 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,680 and I didn't think he had either. 293 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,800 I was really scared 294 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,560 because I just didn't know what was happening. 295 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,640 Um... Yeah, it was terrifying. 296 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,440 KAREN:James was at the hospital sporadically 297 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,480 and he was always leaving Coleen to go and make phone calls. 298 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,680 And it got to the point where Ryan was getting quite annoyed with him 299 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,880 and saying, "You need to be by her side." 300 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,680 It looked bleak at this point. 301 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,080 I was too ill that I couldn't go with him. 302 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,160 And, um... 303 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,480 So they brought him in, like, 304 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,280 a trolley that they would put in the ambulance, 305 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,080 and wheeled him in to see me. 306 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,680 Um... 307 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,560 They gave me a little photograph of him, 308 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,000 and I didn't realise at that time that that was probably 309 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,560 because they thought that would be the last time I'd see him, 310 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,480 and they took him off and I was just... 311 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,960 It was the feeling of helplessness was just terrible. 312 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,880 So all I wanted at that point was James to go 313 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,480 and his dad to be with him 314 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,640 so he wasn't alone that night, in case the worst happened. 315 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,520 He didn't want me, you know, to go with him. 316 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,880 He was going to, you know, 317 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,480 be at Charlie's bedside. He didn't need anybody else. 318 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,600 I don't for a second believe he actually went to be with Charlie. 319 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,840 And Charlie, who could have passed away that night, 320 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,320 would have been completely on his own. 321 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,200 James suddenly announced to Karen and I that 322 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,800 his mother had approached him, 323 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,160 she wanted to invest in a restaurant or a wine bar 324 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,480 in the Newcastle area, 325 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,920 and she wanted James to get involved in this. 326 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Then James opened up more about his mother's financial situation 327 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,520 and that she was really quite wealthy, 328 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,480 which we had not been aware of. 329 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,600 And since he was only doing the odd shift at 330 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,120 the Fire Service, then, yeah, 331 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,920 it seemed a perfect idea for him. 332 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,760 This is something that Coleen 333 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,960 and I had always harboured a dream of owning. 334 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,560 We'd always talked, even as children, 335 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,200 the fact we would love a coffee shop or a little restaurant. 336 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,760 I did have some money at that point 337 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,000 because I had an inheritance from my father. 338 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,600 And I thought investing in something like that, 339 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,040 which had always been my dream, would just be 340 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,720 an ideal way to use it. I invested, in total, £30,000. 341 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,400 ANJULA: The story that James has spun 342 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,960 so far gives Karen confidence 343 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,440 this is going to be a family business. 344 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,640 So, at this point, if there was a red flag, 345 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,960 it's turned green because she feels safer 346 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,080 because Mum's part of the storyline now. 347 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,480 I had no qualms about wanting to be part of it. 348 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,760 I really wanted to invest in it, 349 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,000 and, you know, it was... 350 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,880 It looked really like a legit proposition. 351 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,320 From a policing perspective, 352 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:05,680 the fact that he is willing 353 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,400 to accept money from her sister is a massive red flag. 354 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,640 If this was a successful business, 355 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,120 if his mum was putting all this 356 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,000 money into this business on his behalf, 357 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,840 he wouldn't need her money. 358 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,680 And one thing we do know with fraudsters 359 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,240 is they always purport to have money. 360 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,920 "Oh, yeah, well, I've already got money, 361 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,440 "so I don't really need yours." 362 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,240 Because then they'll make it look like your idea to give it them. 363 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,560 This is Pravda, 364 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,960 one of the properties we came 365 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,920 to view when James was interested in setting up 366 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,960 the business, restaurant, nightclub, whatever, 367 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,440 with his mum, that Karen invested in. 368 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,080 It used to be a Russian nightclub. 369 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:51,200 And, yeah, it was good. 370 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,600 Out of all the places James took us to view, 371 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,240 it definitely got everyone's vote. 372 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,880 And you could see the potential, its quite old, 373 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,560 not been used in quite a while, bit dusty. 374 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,800 But you could see the vision that James had, 375 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,720 and he was so excited, and... 376 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,040 ..everybody got swept up in it. 377 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,200 We were going to call it, on James's suggestion, At Scott's 378 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,520 so it would have the Scott name 379 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,760 and it would be a family business. 380 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,560 James had an interior designer come and meet us at the property. 381 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,960 James had so many plans, it was like a runaway train. 382 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,640 At the time, I told James not to be so stupid 383 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,440 and I didn't believe him for a second, 384 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,840 but then he had so much paperwork and emails to back it up. 385 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,960 REBECCA:We tend to find that 386 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,960 fraudsters like to exaggerate everything. 387 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,440 Not only that, there will be supporting 388 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,200 documentation coming out of your eyeballs 389 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,440 because they know they're lying. 390 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,600 Being back here now, looking at the property, 391 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,560 it's...it's weird, 392 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,720 it just feels like yesterday that we were here wandering around 393 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,280 with Charlie in his little car seat, 394 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,320 and not a lot has really changed. 395 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,080 He had businessmen. He had solicitor's firms. 396 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:14,160 You know, organisations that, you know, 397 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,960 when you walked in, he was this fantastic person, 398 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,080 and he would promise you the world. 399 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,120 So it wasn't just Coleen, it wasn't just the family, 400 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,440 it was a lot more people. 401 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,400 They always say, you know, you've got to believe your own lies, 402 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,960 and if you do that, you can convince anyone. 403 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,400 And that's what he did. Everyone's wanting to invest. 404 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,800 They are feeding off his energy and his drive. 405 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,480 RYAN:James didn't just manipulate Coleen, 406 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,720 James manipulated the whole family. 407 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,640 But James didn't just manipulate the family, 408 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,960 James manipulated everybody around the family. 409 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,960 James came up with this proposal, 410 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,680 "Well, you work in property already. 411 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,440 "Why don't we just set up a property business?" 412 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,040 I thought, "Doesn't seem like a bad thing. 413 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,240 "James has got the investment from his mum. 414 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,680 "His mum's got the chops to make this work. 415 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,080 "So, you know, what could go wrong?" 416 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,440 The property business we decided was 417 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,880 going to be called Gemini Property 418 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,160 because the star sign Gemini is twins. 419 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Karen I would really be the 420 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,960 figurehead at the front of the business. 421 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,880 In Gemini, I invested a further £25,000. 422 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,520 All of my money at that point, 423 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,120 everything I had was tied up 424 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,000 in investments related to James, 425 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,600 but I never felt at that point that it was worrying 426 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040 because he was a member of our family, 427 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,280 he was my...my nephew's father. 428 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,960 He, you know, he was James, we all loved him. 429 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,480 Everything appeared totally legitimate. 430 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,200 Everything seemed perfect. 431 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,680 It was exciting times. 432 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,200 James found a lump on one of his testicles. 433 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,600 I was there in the waiting room when they called out James Scott 434 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,560 and he went into the room. 435 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Um... 436 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,280 So, yeah, it was suspected testicular cancer. 437 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,600 The wedding was put on hold. 438 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,720 I just felt sick, 439 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,680 I felt just shocked and horrified and frightened 440 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,680 and worried for the future, 441 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,760 and just all the emotion you can 442 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,880 imagine when you find out your loved one's sick. 443 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,320 When I got the news, I was, you know, concerned for the guy. 444 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,760 You know, we'd become, you know, reasonably good friends 445 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,920 by this point, you know, 446 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,040 I was going to be his best man at the wedding. 447 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,360 And, you know, the news was shocking. 448 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,680 It feels at this point very much as 449 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,240 if James is now future-faking Coleen, 450 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,480 because how do you put the brakes on a wedding you don't want to happen? 451 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,800 You get cancer. 452 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,200 James went for tests at the hospital. 453 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,000 It wasn't cancer. It turned out it was a condition called hydrocele, 454 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,240 which causes a fluid build-up that can be misdiagnosed as cancer. 455 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,960 The relief and just... 456 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,160 We were so happy he was going to be OK. 457 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,320 We were just absolutely shellshocked 458 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,920 because we'd been pretty much told it was, 459 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,200 you know, the diagnosis was a bad one. 460 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,600 So to suddenly hear this, 461 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,800 it was just, like, the most amazing news ever. 462 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,040 I was very surprised at how quickly 463 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,200 the wedding got rearranged. Looking back on it, 464 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,080 I would have thought, you know, you've dodged a bullet, 465 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,200 just let sleeping dogs lie, you know, 466 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,240 move on with things. But, no, as James was, 467 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,520 everything had to happen now, and according to James' schedule. 468 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,960 Both his daughters were going to be bridesmaids as well as my two girls. 469 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,080 They were very excited about coming to the wedding, 470 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,720 his ex had agreed that they could come, 471 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,080 and this was actually going to be 472 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,280 the first time I'd properly met them. 473 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,920 He was sending us pictures from the hotel he was in, 474 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,800 and then it went quiet, and I rang his phone 475 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,480 and it was turned off, 476 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,760 so I started to get a little bit concerned about that, 477 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800 but I just thought, 478 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,160 "He's going to be back the day after tomorrow, it's fine." 479 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,320 I was actually at my mum's house with Coleen, 480 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,400 and James walked in the house 481 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560 and just slumped on the sofa with his head in his hands, 482 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,240 and then he said that the wedding was off. 483 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,080 He couldn't bring his daughters back, his ex-wife wouldn't allow it, 484 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,600 and he couldn't get married without his daughters being there. 485 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080 At that point I'm like, "What?!" 486 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,000 And he went, "No, no, I can't do it." 487 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,840 And at this stage all my family in Ireland 488 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,560 have got the hotels booked. Everyone's got their outfits, 489 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,960 the hotels booked, the flights booked. 490 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,640 Everything's ready to go, and he's sitting there saying, 491 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,680 "I can't go ahead with it, I can't do it without my girls being there." 492 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,400 He was crying his eyes out. 493 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,440 I felt incredibly bad for him that he was so upset, 494 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,400 but I felt more upset for my sister. 495 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,880 This was her second wedding 496 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,240 and now he was cancelling it at the last moment. 497 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,240 So I felt angry on her behalf. And I thought, 498 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,200 "Yes, it's horrible his daughters can't come, 499 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,000 "but he can still marry her." 500 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,680 But he was adamant it would have to be postponed again. 501 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,280 This was breaking my heart. 502 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,880 My wedding dress is hanging there. 503 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,720 We've got a little boy together. 504 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Look, everybody's bought their outfits, the girls are excited, 505 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,720 and I just... I was... 506 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,640 To be honest, I was just disgusted in him. 507 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,440 I just thought, "This isn't right. 508 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,560 "There's something not right here now." 509 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,000 And at that point, the whole relationship shifted 510 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,600 and, yeah, the cracks really started to appear. 511 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,120 I don't know why, but I just had this feeling that I wanted to go 512 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,160 and inspect one of the properties 513 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,960 and check everything was all right. 514 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,040 We opened the cabinet, expecting 515 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,920 to see this nice new shiny boiler, and... 516 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,200 ..no, it wasn't. It was a dusty old, you know, thing. 517 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,000 And this really piqued my interest. 518 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,120 Why was this old boiler in-situ when Karen had paid for 519 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,720 a brand-new one to be replaced? 520 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,440 Ryan actually phoned the manufacturer of the boiler company 521 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160 and found out that that particular model hadn't been stocked 522 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,600 for about eight years. 523 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,720 And I thought, "Something's not right here." 524 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,000 And, "Why was the wedding called off?" 525 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,800 I got in touch with the hotel where the wedding was supposed to be held, 526 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,720 asked them if there was a, you know, 527 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,160 a James Scott wedding. 528 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200 The manager assured me there was nobody by that name - 529 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,560 not in the past, not today, not in the future. 530 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,840 We'd seen links to Wynyard Hall website and stuff on emails, 531 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,400 and none of it was real. 532 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,760 That was the moment where we ripped off the bandage, 533 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,800 and the horrible sore that was underneath was exposed. 534 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,080 PHONE RINGS 535 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,280 So I made a phone call to Coleen, 536 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,760 and she was with James and Charlie, and I just said, 537 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,800 "I need you to excuse yourself. 538 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920 "Don't let James know there's anything wrong 539 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,280 "and just go to the toilet 540 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840 "and I'll phone you back in five minutes." 541 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560 She said, "I'm so, so, so sorry Coleen, 542 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,960 "you were never going to get married." 543 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,240 And I said, "What do you mean?" And she said, 544 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,360 "There's never been a wedding booked." 545 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,720 I just thought, "Well, that can't be possible," 546 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,040 because I've met the wedding planner, I've spoken to her, 547 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,760 I've had emails off her, I'd been to the venue. 548 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,280 He spent over £1,000 on a wedding dress for me. 549 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,160 I felt like it was some sick joke, 550 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,320 and I didn't know what the hell was going on. 551 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,960 I honestly didn't know which way to turn or what to think. 552 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,680 I stood at the doorway so he couldn't get away, 553 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,000 because I knew once he was confronted, 554 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,920 he's going to make an excuse to get out, and I wanted the truth. 555 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,840 He just shut down. 556 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,440 He refused to talk. 557 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920 And I let go with both barrels. 558 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,440 I knew that he had lied. I knew there was no wedding. 559 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,280 But at this point, we didn't know how far it went. 560 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,120 I think I knew at that point that my money was gone, 561 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,640 but I wasn't going to admit it to myself then. 562 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,760 I was still clinging onto the hope that although he'd lied 563 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,200 about the weddings, that was as far as it went. 564 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000 I knew the name of the solicitors that he said he was using. 565 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440 And I telephoned, you know, trying to find the Newcastle office 566 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,800 where he had said he had had many, many meetings. 567 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,600 I couldn't find a number for that, 568 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,720 so I phoned the head office in London. 569 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,760 "We don't have a Newcastle branch." And I thought, "Hold on a second." 570 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520 You know, "The lies are starting to stack up here." 571 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640 Karen, you know, telephoned Coleen and said, 572 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,040 "We're coming to speak to you." 573 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,120 At that point, off we went up to the house, 574 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,520 to Coleen's house, and... 575 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,760 ..he knew we were coming. 576 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,120 He knew the gig was up. 577 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,960 He jumped back in the car, said, 578 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000 "I'll be back in a minute," slammed the door, and off he went. 579 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,160 Karen and I were in the car, driving. 580 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,440 By this time, I was fuming. 581 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,520 There was steam coming out of my ears. I wanted answers. 582 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,560 When we were just pulling into their street, 583 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,920 James drove past us, 584 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,000 he just gave this little cheery wave 585 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,840 with this very smug little smile on his face. 586 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,840 That, to me... 587 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,800 ..it was the equivalent of giving us the finger. 588 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,920 And that's the last time we've seen him. 589 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,160 We soon found out that James Scott was not James Scott. 590 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,400 He was, in fact, Greg Wilson... 591 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,080 ..who had a wife and three sons. 592 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,640 I cried buckets. 593 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,040 My whole world fell apart. 594 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,440 It had been bad enough the wedding not happening, 595 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,920 but now it appeared my whole life hadn't happened either. 596 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,880 The name James Scott was on our child's birth certificate. 597 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,320 I was marrying James Scott. 598 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280 But that wasn't this man's name. 599 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,960 This man who was the man I was 600 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,800 going to marry was called Greg Wilson. 601 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,640 At that point, I had... 602 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,400 ..I suppose what you'd class as a little mini breakdown. 603 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,720 That night, I ended up staying with her in her double bed. 604 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,440 And I remember just lying there, 605 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,440 and she was sobbing, and thinking, 606 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,360 "Well, I've lost all my money, I've lost everything, 607 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560 "but I still wouldn't want to be in her position." 608 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,120 It was just devastating. 609 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,800 This case landed on my desk, and when I read it, 610 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,960 I just thought straight away, "Wow, that's unusual!" 611 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,440 I've been a police officer for 27 years, 612 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,000 and I've never come across any investigation like this at all. 613 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,640 I didn't go and arrest him straight away. 614 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,120 For one, he was on the run, 615 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,360 and we didn't quite know where he was. 616 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,280 But right from the start, 617 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,640 so much had happened over a long period of time, 618 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,440 I had to get my head around it and I had to gather the evidence. 619 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,320 We wanted him to be brought to justice. 620 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,920 We wanted him not to do this to another family, 621 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,440 and we wanted him to pay for his crimes. 622 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,200 The police investigation was going ahead, 623 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:58,400 we just needed more answers. 624 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,440 So we managed to track down his mum and contact her, his stepbrother, 625 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,240 and, ultimately, a couple of weeks further down the line, 626 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,480 his wife. 627 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880 This is when we found that, you know, 628 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,600 it was a much bigger story than we had actually believed. 629 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,040 His father had been a firefighter, 630 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,800 that's how he had all the knowledge. 631 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,480 And he'd bought an ex-firefighter's outfit off eBay. 632 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,040 That's why it smelled of smoke, 633 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,800 because it had been to plenty of fires, 634 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,840 just never with him wearing it. 635 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,720 There was no nightclub. 636 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,840 Gemini Properties was all based on a farce. 637 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,320 There were no properties that they were actually managing, 638 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520 apart from the few that Karen owned. 639 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,080 When the police actually accessed Greg's bank account, 640 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,560 there was very little left. 641 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,640 So I think he'd been funding his lifestyle 642 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,080 and Coleen's lifestyle on the money that I'd given him 643 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,640 for quite a long period of time. 644 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,200 The police investigated. 645 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,480 The doctor didn't exist, the appointments didn't exist. 646 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,680 Um... 647 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:24,080 That medical note he showed me, the police believe was a forgery. 648 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,560 I think all the documentation that he provided 649 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,160 to solicitors and real estate agents was all, again, a fabrication. 650 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,040 All the text messages, iMessages, the Facebook posts, 651 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,800 the Facebook profiles, everything was fake. 652 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,880 He didn't just con us. He conned solicitors, 653 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640 real estate agents, football clubs, rugby clubs. 654 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,680 He fleeced everybody he could 655 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,640 for as much as he could while he could. 656 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,680 It's incredible the lengths that Greg Wilson must have gone to, 657 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:59,200 to commence this fraud and also to keep it going, 658 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:00,760 day after day after day. 659 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,000 Normally, fraudsters, you can catch them out 660 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,400 because they forget the lies, 661 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,320 and it's quite easy to prove. 662 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,760 But, actually, Greg covered his tracks quite well. 663 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,080 It was... It was just, "Why?" 664 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,520 I just couldn't understand why. 665 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,120 And I really missed him 666 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,240 because it felt like a bereavement in a way, 667 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,600 because I'd fallen in love with James Scott... 668 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,400 ..and suddenly he didn't exist. It was like he was dead. 669 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,840 And I was traumatised. 670 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,680 As soon as I found out the truth, 671 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,840 I went to a solicitor to see what I could do 672 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,080 to get Charlie's name changed, 673 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,800 because Charlie had a surname that didn't exist 674 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,680 because the father on his birth certificate said, 675 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,000 "James Scott, firefighter." 676 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,880 What he did to Charlie is unforgivable. 677 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,720 He'd been such a big part of Charlie's life. 678 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,120 And Charlie suffered from extreme separation anxiety at that point. 679 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,320 It got to the stage that I couldn't leave him for a second. 680 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000 He would cry and cry and cry till he was sick. 681 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,000 And I felt so sorry for him 682 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,480 because he was the innocent party in all this. 683 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,920 CHARLIE LAUGHS 684 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,240 Amazingly, when I got to the house and arrested him there, 685 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,760 he was there with his girlfriend. 686 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,640 He was in a relationship 687 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,480 and had told a pack of lies, 688 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,640 saying that he was purporting to be somebody that he wasn't 689 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,240 and that I think it was another 690 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,240 family member had left him some money 691 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,240 and he was going to buy a house. 692 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,880 So I think another fraud was obviously in 693 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,760 the making when he was arrested. 694 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,720 When we got him in the car on the journey up to County Durham, 695 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,400 I think the only time he ever spoke, he sort of said, "Yes, it was me." 696 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,200 And that was what classed as what was called a significant statement, 697 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,320 which is the only answer he ever gave in sort of all 698 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,800 the interviews that I did with him. 699 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,720 That was the only sort of piece of admission that we got. 700 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,280 Everybody was ready. We were ready, the CPS was ready, 701 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,640 all the victims, all the witnesses were ready 702 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,440 to come to court to give evidence. 703 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,720 KAREN:It was actually on the Friday before the trial was due 704 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,040 to start at 9am the following Monday that I had 705 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,560 a call from CPS at about 4.45 in the afternoon 706 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,720 to say that at that point he'd decided 707 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,880 to plead guilty to all charges 708 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,520 and there would be no trial. 709 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,520 But he'd left it to the last possible moment, 710 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,800 and he'd made us suffer right to the end. 711 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,120 He pleaded guilty 712 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,880 and the verdict was that he got six years in prison 713 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,680 for multiple cases of fraud, which, yeah, we were happy about. 714 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:55,040 RYAN:And as he was being taken down, we could hear him sobbing. 715 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,720 And, for me, if I couldn't face him, 716 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,640 just knowing that he was now 717 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,680 a broken man, like he had done to everybody else, 718 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,280 was the only satisfaction I was going to get. 719 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,120 So what the judge said about Greg's behaviour 720 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,400 was that it was jaw-dropping cruelty, 721 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,520 persistent cruelty, that he lied, he manipulated, 722 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,040 he feigned illness, the cancer. 723 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,960 And when confronted, the judge says, he runs away. 724 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,400 It was sophisticated and sustained fraud. 725 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,320 And what this tells me is that there were no underlying psychological 726 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,600 issues that the judge could pick up on, 727 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,400 that Greg knew exactly what he was doing, 728 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,680 and he was completely devoid of empathy for anybody. 729 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,760 CHARLIE LAUGHS 730 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,520 Getting justice was a really happy day. 731 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,920 And I felt like I'd taken some of the power back, 732 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,120 because he'd hurt my family 733 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,560 and we weren't going to get that money back that Karen lost, 734 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,520 and I wasn't going to get back those lost years, 735 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600 but I wasn't going to let him get away with it, 736 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,000 he had to be made accountable. 737 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,240 There's no doubt that the motivation initially was financial. 738 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,400 He initially lived off Karen and Coleen's wealth, 739 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,640 their inheritance. However, I think, as time went on, 740 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,320 it's the control of people, I think, that took over. 741 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,080 And I think he loved every single minute of it. 742 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,800 After what happened with James, 743 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,600 it left me in a situation where I had no alternative 744 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,320 but to file for bankruptcy. 745 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,240 And I lost my home and I lost everything. 746 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,880 My career was gone. 747 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,920 The worst things he did, in my opinion, 748 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,320 was he destroyed Karen and Coleen's lives. 749 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,080 They were two fantastic women when I first met them. 750 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,320 And when he left... 751 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,520 ..they were shells of their former selves. 752 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,640 If you allow this to change the way you view all of humanity, 753 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,240 then, really, you're always going to be a victim. 754 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,640 And I don't want to be a victim. Coleen doesn't want to be a victim. 755 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,920 I wasn't going to let what happened to me dictate 756 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,400 the rest of my life. 757 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000 I've got the most lovely husband now who's adopted Charlie. 758 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,240 So he's not a little boy with the fake name anymore, 759 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,160 he's got what he calls his forever dad now, 760 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,320 and I'm now hoping to help other women 761 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,240 who are in the same situation, because it's not your fault. 762 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,640 When something like this happens to you, you're a victim. 763 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,120 I couldn't stop what he did to me, 764 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,080 but if I can stop him doing it to somebody else, I will do. 765 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,400 There's no doubt that both Coleen 766 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,240 and Karen are survivors. 767 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,800 They both have moved on brilliantly, 768 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,880 I have nothing but admiration for them. 769 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,800 The police and everyone had said, you know, 770 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,720 "You'll have to write a book one day about this." 771 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,920 Neither me nor my sister are writers 772 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,440 but we thought it would be a cathartic measure, you know, 773 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,240 so that's what we did. 774 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,520 And I've had so many people that have read the book get in contact 775 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,000 and say something similar's happened to them. 776 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,840 Helped so many people. 777 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,840 Coleen has been through the most horrific, 778 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440 unimaginable experience, 779 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,760 and she has come out of it ten times stronger. 780 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,200 There is no victim in her. 781 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,360 That woman's a warrior. 782 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,360 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 64232

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