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[Operator] We're sorry,
you have reached the number

that has been disconnected
or is no longer...

[Tom] O.J., it's Tom
again. Can you to hear me?

Hey, hang on the line,
I wanna talk to you.

Okay. I'm still here.

I'm just getting a
little interference here.

You're going to break our
hearts, don't do this.

That's okay. Listen,

there's nothing
to be sorry about.

My name is Tom Lang.

I am a former LAPD homicide
detective of 29 years.

[line trilling] Hello,
O.J.? You still there?

He's thinking.

I've been involved in
250 different homicides.

One murder investigation
still bothers me.

[Operator] 911 emergency.

[Nicole] Yeah. Can you
send someone to my house?

[Operator] Oh, okay. Is he
the sportscaster or whatever?

[Nicole] Yeah.

[Operator] Is he
threatening you?

[Nicole] Please
send somebody over.

[Tom] It's the double
murder, that occurred

at 875 South Bundy.

[Operator] Is he black,
white or Hispanic?

[Nicole] Black.

[Tom] I was the lead
detective in that case.

The evidence led to one suspect
and that was O.J. Simpson.

[Operator] He's back, okay,
what does he look like?

[Nicole] He's O.J. Simpson.
I think you know his record.

[Tom] The Hall of Fame, NFL
football player and actor.

[Nicole] He just drove up again.

[Operator] What kind
of car is he in?

[Nicole] He's in a white
Bronco. But first of all,

he broke the back door down...

[Tom] In what has been referred
to as the trial of the century.

O.J. was found not guilty
of killing his ex-wife,

Nicole Brown Simpson, and
her friend Ron Goldman.

- [Nicole] O.J.
- [Operator] O.J.

Back then, we were gagged.

We couldn't talk to anybody,
couldn't talk to the media,

couldn't discuss the
case with anybody else.

Victims had their
throat slashed.

I'm not gagged now.

All these years later,
I could tell a story,

why it happened. The fact that
it shouldn't have happened.

We've got the
evidence to show it.

[Tom] Hang on the line.
I want to talk to you.

- [O.J.] I'm here.
- [Tom] Okay, I'm still here.

Just getting a little
interference here.

Can you hear me?
O.J.? He's gone again.

O.J., you there?

[O.J.] Uh...

[Tom] Get rid of the gun.

[O.J.] Uh...

[Tom] Nobody's
going to get hurt.

Man to man, right?

Listen, you've been a man
Listen, you've been a man a.

Don't give in now.

[Reporter] And there are reports
that blood stained clothes

a in Simpson's home.

[Man] We can't jump the gun.

We can't afford
to make a mistake.

We are very meticulous
in what we do.

You don't know the
facts of the case.

This is where he parked the
Bronco, the night of the murder.

A lot of things have changed

approaching Bundy
where 875 used to be.

[Reporter] An L.A.
homicide detective says.

O.J. Simpson's
arrest is imminent.

Simpson trial was
held right here.

[Reporter] It began early
on the morning of June 13th.

Neighbors discovered
the bloody murder scene.

He's shocked. He's
really grieving.

He's upset.

Mr. Simpson is a
fugitive of justice.

I plead 100% not guilty.

This is a trial about the
man that murdered my son.

[Woman] Is a trail of blood from
[Woman] Is a trail of blood from B

and into the
defendant's very bedroom

linked by the defendant's
white Ford Bronco.

Get out of the way.

[Man] You think O.J. had a
bag with the bloody clothes

- and the knife?
- [Man] There!

Have you ever heard
the term cover up?

[Reporter] Recognized
around the world,

first for speed and
athletic grace and now

for a grisly,
gripping murder case.

[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have
the right to remain silent.

If you give up the
right to remain silent,

anything you say can and
will be used against you

in a court of law.

Do you understand your rights?

[Tom] Are there any
questions about that?

[Tom] Okay. You going
to speak up audibly.

[Tom] You can never have too
much evidence in a murder case

period.

It's almost embarrassing
to articulate.

But the prosecution
withheld a lot of evidence

really pisses you
off after a while.

There's good evidence.
People don't realize that.

This was just after
the Rodney King riots.

The officers in that
trial were acquitted.

The LAPD in particular,
was not particularly liked

by the populace of L.A...

Eye for an eye,
tooth for a tooth.

[Tom] So the prosecution is
a little, little too careful,

I think, not to put on a
certain amount of evidence

brought by the LAPD.

Okay, I want people
who watch this

to walk away with the truth.

I don't want them to have a
comic book version of this case.

[O.J.] Is that I did
not, could not, would not

have committed this crime.

I have four kids, kids I
haven't seen in a year.

All you can do is
all you can do.

[Reporter] Los Angeles
homicide detective.

T

But hey, we've got
witnesses. We've got experts.

They're going to tell this
audience what happened for real,

they're not going to juice it.

My name is Michelle Kessler,

former employee of the Los
Angeles Police Department.

I was involved in many
high profile cases.

Hillside Strangler case,
nude bodies were found

on the hilly slopes
around the Hollywood...

ARamirez is a devil worshiper.

And of course, the
O.J. Simpson case.

I'm Alan Park, O.J.
Simpson's limousine driver.

The night of June 12, 1994.

6' 200lbs, it just seems
to be a pretty big female.

You wouldn't lie to me when
I talk to you, would you?

My name is Rod Englert. I'm a
crime scene reconstructionist.

Now, let me tell you, the shots
that are fired, there's three.

He was convicted and is doing
life in the penitentiary.

I've worked on some
very high profile cases.

Robert Blake.

[Woman] We the jury find
the defendant not guilty

of the crime of first degree
murder of Bonny Lee Bakley.

I was retained in
this particular case

to do a reconstruction of
what did or didn't occur.

California versus O.J. Simpson.

Okay, get your knife. It's
very important we start a time.

Just and it was sort of
like, you know, someone said,

you're on the edge of your seat.
I'm on the edge of my seat.

Listening of is he lying?
This guy's lying, like... Yes.

[Reporter] As Clark stared
down her own witness.

This isn't for entertainment
as much as it is for education.

I'm not an actor. Okay?

I'm going to put this
out. What really happened?

Number one, I'm tired of
people lying and the media,

the lawyers.

This will clear all of that up.
We're going to get to everything

that screwed this case up.
What happened happened.

You don't buy it. You buy it.

It's still gonna tell
you 2 and 2 is 4,

I'm not a salesman.

[Rod] This will be a
reconstruction based upon

the physical evidence, the
autopsy, the blood patterns,

trace evidence, and the patterns
of blood on the clothing

and at the scene.

I was retained in this
case to come in and do

a crime scene reconstruction

with emphasis on blood
pattern analysis,

and to be able to put
the pieces together.

This what appeared to be a
large puzzle at the time.

[Nicole] He's going to
beat the shit out of...

[Operator] Wait a minute,
just stay on the line

s t.

- Okay Nicole?
- [Nicole] Uh-huh.

[Rod] So I have these props
and props give one the ability

to be able to reconstruct based
again solely upon the evidence.

There's no speculation here.

The attacker comes
to the residence

and I want to put on the props.

[Tom] This is about the victims.
That's where we're here.

That's our job. We gotta
find out who did this.

I asked you to go back up
to like you're pretending

to come out of your apartment.

And when the attacker
gets to the residence,

gets a knife...

And as Nicole steps down,
she is stabbed on the head

and she have
contusions on her head.

And there are four stab wounds
on the left side of her neck

that penetrate
down to her heart.

She goes down on the ground
with her head on the first step.

She's bleeding from the
wounds on her left side,

making a pool of blood
that not only is filling up

this particular area, but it's
running down onto the sidewalk,

simultaneously to that as
Ron walks up a witness hears,

Hey, hey, hey. He is
stabbed on his left side,

which is a very fatal
wound that starts bleeding

down his pant leg and they
will stomp spreading the blood

that's projecting large and
small stains onto the clothing.

They back up into this
area, spattering blood

by stomping in the blood of
Nicole that is now running

from her wounds. She's
bleeding profusely.

I am backed up against
her as the glove comes off

and as you pull it off, let
it go down over to the left,

along with the
glasses that drop.

[Tom] And every question
that came up, he's answered

and he was never called.
There's no reason for that,

except I have my own opinion
on why he wasn't called.

If you want to hear that?

[Rod] During the struggle, I'm
trying to get in your throat

and then you reach up and
pull the hat off of my head.

It will fall there to
our left hand side.

[Tom] This is the LAPD on trial.

This is the LAPD who've been
accused of being racist,

of planting evidence
and the jury, again,

they were being fed
this by the prosecution.

Fine. But you can't put evidence
on unless you put the person on

who found the evidence.
You have to admit it

legally in a court of law,
on the stand, under oath,

in court, you can't just come
in and drop a piece of evidence,

and say, we want this, we
want the jury to look at this.

The prosecutor, for
better or worse,

did not want to appear to
be in bed with the cops.

[Rod] You get the knife in
while you're struggling,

cutting in the
margins of the wound,

different planes creating what's
called a swallowtail wound.

And as we go over to the area
here, we're still fighting.

You will go around and
then down on your buttocks,

your pager will pop
off of your belt.

And as it comes off, you will
also bleed on to this rail,

the bottom rail
that we have here.

And I go back over to Nicole,
cut from left to right,

capturing and cutting a large
amount of hairs on to the knife

and then goes over
to Ron Goldman.

There's two grab marks and blood
on the back side of his shirt.

Grab Mark is consistent
with pulling him over

because in the scene photograph,
this shirt is pulled up

and then the attacker
from right to left

will cut his throat also,
as was done to Nicole.

The attacker will leave
and go over to Nicole,

step on and put an impression
of the Bruno Magli shoe

onto her right
side below the arm,

and then continue and drop blood
from cutting his own finger

when attacking Ron will
drip blood to the left,

continue all the way
back to the alley,

which is about 200 feet back.

There is so much evidence
in this case, the only way

that the defense can
work towards resolving it

in their favor is to
just throwing dirt

to take the attention away
from the case in chief.

O and the cover up continues.

[Tom] This is the only
personal journal that exists

in this entire case.

It is currently in the
Law Enforcement Museum

in Washington, DC.

This is personal. These are
observations that I made,

people I had dealings with, and
it's the case in my own words

and my own thoughts
and my own deeds.

I'm using a rubber
glove. It's human blood.

That is medium velocity spatter.

[Tom] Photographed here,
we're very interested in

this blood droplet or cast off
whatever you want to call it,

possibly from a wound you
said or maybe a murder weapon.

We don't know. But we want
this because it's out of place.

[Rod] But the thing that's
significant, it shows up,

up here by the steps and
it goes all the way back,

drops like that
to the back gate,

which about 200 feet
away to the alley.

[Tom] I made a specific request
through the investigator

- to collect all of this blood.
- You did say that.

Oh, I said that and
she wrote it down.

Again everything goes sideways,
sometimes at the worst times,

the coroner's investigator
was off with a broken leg,

so they did not have
a criminalist there.

So instead of somebody
inquiring washed the body down.

Which can be the
attackers blood.

Yeah, the donor could
be the attacker.

[Tom] Yeah. And of course,
the defense got all over us.

The real story behind this,
however, just inches away,

we have a similar drop on
the sole of the left boot.

Here it is right
here, Ron Goldman.

- Okay.
- We have this, is a droplet

- or a cast off tailing down.
- And it's not disturbed.

- Blood's everywhere.
- Yeah, but no some's fallen

in the air after these two
are down and they're immobile.

So what would that be? Right.

The knife. Because they had
knife wounds or like you said,

the attacker.

Thank God the coroner
didn't get hold of that boot

and wash it down.

So we were able to get the blood
off of the sole of the boot.

Take your eye off the
ball or off the prize.

If you deviate from
what you normally do,

you're going to screw it up.

Whose blood is on that
droplet? It's a mixture.

Both victims is on
that blood droplet.

Came from a common source
to further corroborate,

we look at the same area here,
indicating what appears to be

a footwear impression
right here. See that?

Turns out that that is
a footwear impression

from a pair of
Bruno Magli shoes.

At this point, the FBI had
identified the bloody footwear

impressions at the crime scene
as being from Bruno Maglis,

but we couldn't at that
point put Bruno Maglis

on Simpson's feet.

Dominic Brown is
Nicole's younger sister,

so I met her for
lunch and I said,

I've got six pictures
I want to show you.

They're all of shoes, she goes
right to the Bruno Maglis.

She says, O.J. has
shoes like that.

So I'm thinking this is a
little too good to be true.

So she says Nicole was
back in New York in January

and she may have bought
them for him at that time,

but I don't know for sure.

There she also bought some
Bruno Maglis for herself.

She wore 'em for a while
and just she didn't

really care for them,
so she gave them to me.

So really, in fact,
I'm wearing them.

She takes off for Bruno Maglis
and puts them on the table.

That's pretty good stuff.

Why would you not want to have
her testify to that in court?

And that never happened.
It turns out that

the Bruno Maglis at the
crime scene, were size 12.

His athletic shoes,
by his own admission

that he was wearing
were size 12 also.

If Simpson turns out,
if he's a size 10,

that's exculpatory evidence,
defense would use that.

And that's enough for
a juror to say, well,

it couldn't have been him,
this is different shoe size.

We've got nothing like that.

Wife beater, rapist, murderer.

[Reporter] There
is enough evidence

to put Simpson on trial.

About two or three days
after the murders occurred.

Defense attorneys at
the time, Bob Shapiro.

Is it not 60? Is it 10,000?

[Tom] He came to our office at
robbery homicide in his style

requested, suggested that
he could perhaps help

our investigation along
as a defense attorney

if he would provide us with a
criminalist and a pathologist

to assist us with our
investigation of the body

as evidence, but that is brassy,

so I guess we can't
blame him for trying.

It didn't work that way.

Now, as we're sitting here doing
the crime scene investigation,

this pager continually
went off the entire night.

We find out coworkers at
the Mezzaluna Restaurant

was trying to get a hold of
him, that this was kind of eerie

listening to this. This is going
on throughout the whole night.

We're doing the whole
crime scene investigation,

but it turns out it was,
in fact, his friend.

They wanted to go out drinking.

[Rod] Look at the blood that's
on the small tree transfer.

He had to be up against that.

And then there's a little
pool of blood where he was

up against that so that when
the attacker went over to Nicole

to cut her throat, then he came
back to him and cut his throat.

And that's what evidence
does. It tells that he was

in this seated position
before being pulled over

and then his throat was cut.

[Tom] So he was going
between her and him.

- [Rod] Exactly.
- [Tom] More than once.

[Rod] You know why? Because he
want to make sure they're dead.

And the only way to do
that in this person,

- the attacker's mind.
- Yeah?

Here's the cap,
again, the Bruno Magli

footwear impression here.
Very important stuff.

And note, she's still bleeding

because the blood is running
over the top of the footprint.

She's nearly decapitated.

As we remove her body, you can
see her vertebra from the front.

If you look at Ron Goldman,
you have, you know, like

20 different sized stab wounds.
Ron fought hard, hard, hard.

Ron, he was just at the wrong
place at the wrong time.

The blood in here is everywhere.

Nicole, she was in the
wrong place for a long time.

[Tom] And that became a
bone of contention later on

when we were also accused
of planting the blood.

Yeah, which is something else.
But then you and later...

[Rod] But you had to have
knowledge on how to plant it.

Well, to make it fit.

[Tom] Not only that,
but Simpson's blood

w-we picked up at the
scene. He's back in Chicago,

so how did we get his
blood from Chicago to here?

[Rod] Yeah.

[Tom] Well, it didn't
make any sense.

I know, I know. Listen to this.

So there's a city
of 8 million people.

- Yeah?
- You have a Bronco,

that's a scene.

You have Bundy Street,
that's a scene.

And you have Rockingham.
That's a scene.

You got all three people's blood
at each one of those locations

in that two hour period.

And it's so simple.
It is so simple.

So everybody was taking
shots at everybody else.

Everybody pointing fingers
in every direction.

We were fighting, not
just involving in the case

and these attorneys,
but the media.

Rod Englert alluded to some of
this when his home was prowled,

there was a team for the defense

that was going through
people's trash.

Friends of mine at my church
were contacted secretly

because I was a youth leader.

People were interviewed about
my interaction with kids.

Yes, it did affect my life. It
was both my wife, my family.

Now, before Ron Goldman was
removed, you couldn't see

the keys because
they were concealed.

You can see the drag marks here
after the pull the body out.

Keys are interesting because he
was probably holding the keys.

The keys belong
to his girlfriend.

He drove her car the
night of the murders.

When these keys were picked up,
they were booked into evidence.

There was no blood in those
keys and they were booked

and they were consequently
released to the girlfriend.

She made a complaint when
she got the keys back

said, oh, there's blood all
over them, they were terrible

- and everything else.
- Right.

Well, somehow the defense
got a hold of this statement.

The defense said, well,
perhaps the real suspect

got the keys from Ron and
there was blood on them.

And that blood belongs to
perhaps the real suspect

using the keys as a weapon.

[Rod] There's no speculation,
there's no guesswork where

the donor has been identified
with those particular patterns.

It made it very, very solid.

[Tom] Because we have a
mixture of blood coming from

a common murder weapon
and his sole to this day,

the defense claims, well,
there's probably a second one.

There's no evidence
of a second one.

We looked for that evidence.
I looked for that evidence.

I examined every piece of
that sidewalk and then going

all the way back to the
back, about 200 feet to where

the Bronco was
parked in the alley.

And there's no evidence
whatsoever that there was

more than one individual.

[Tom] The evidence tells
us without any doubt,

because of the blood
and because of this,

- there's only one suspect.
- Right.

When we came, the blood is going
all the way down the walkway

and she just about bled out.
When we did the autopsy.

She didn't have a whole
lot of blood in her.

As far as my role in
the OJ Simpson case,

I was involved in
examining the Bronco.

[Tom] John Rogers,
remember John?

- Yes.
- [Tom] Good guy,

classmate of mine, he calls me
at about 3-3:15 in the morning,

Tom, the captain wants to
buy you a cup of coffee.

No, hello, how are you?
I'm sorry I woke you.

So we know we got
something going on.

So he tells me they have this
double O.J. Simpson's ex-wife,

I think he said,
may be involved,

but we don't know for sure.

They got all of Bundy blocked
off. He's on the steps.

The lower part of the steps,
four feet, ten inches away.

There's a second
victim, Ron Goldman.

When the sun came up, we
begin to find more blood.

This is Rockingham gate, the
blood tailed up the driveway

and right into the house. A
Bronco was parked out in front.

I had nothing against O.J.
Simpson, and I was shocked

that he was a suspect.

Here's the master bedroom.
These are O.J. socks he took off

when he returned
from the crime scene.

So the bathroom
is back over here.

What's interesting,
your guys went up there

and they checked the sink and
they check the shower stall

because Simpson had said
that he took a shower,

but in the sink and
the shower stall,

the bar soap lying
in the bottom,

what do we find?

- Blood.
- Blood. Traces of blood.

So we know he was in the shower.

Now you can see some of these
photos where you start to see

stains by the naked eye.
Smears of blood everywhere.

Began to believe it was really
O.J. Simpson and nobody else.

He has a knife. She's
nearly decapitated.

He is stabbed.

When the sun came up,
begin to find more blood.

In the sink and
the shower stall.

The bar soap lying in the
bottom what do we find?

- Blood.
- Blood.

This is what, 25 years later
that there was a second suspect.

They can't tell you why. They
say the cops planted evidence,

but they can't show us evidence
of the cops planting evidence.

They said the lab was
involved in this conspiracy,

but they can't show us
any evidence of that.

And I don't know if you
can imagine how many people

it would take to pull
together this conspiracy.

Basically, overnight,
the evidence in general

was found within 24 hours.

[Tom] The LAPD has a
policy that all searches,

after they're completed,
will be videotaped

to show that we
have not trashed it.

The defense gets the
video that we took.

We turned it over
to the defense.

Looking at the video, they say,

wait a minute,
where are the socks?

There's no socks here. They
must have been planted.

They're not in the video.

Unknowing to them, when
the video was actually made

after, not before, this
is very simply explained

where the video was taken after.

Today, people still say,
what about the socks thing?

There were a little over
1,000 crime scene photos

of the Bronco, of
Rockingham, of Bundy

and all turned over
to the defense.

This is August
27th. So this is a

little over two months later

and they don't know
where the bodies were

at the crime scene?
No, they had no idea.

They thought the bodies
were by the front doors.

I said no, they're down
here near the front gate.

This is where Nicole was. This
is where Ron was over here.

And they're not taking any
notes, but there's plenty of

camera work going
on with the media.

You can see in this
picture right here,

my hair used to be
red and not white.

- Okay.
- But anyway,

we went in to examine the
Bronco for blood patterns.

To our surprise, we
found a lot more blood.

You can see some of these
photos that I have here

where you start to see
stains by the naked eye.

Smears of blood everywhere.

Began to believe it was really
O.J. Simpson and nobody else

when there was no other blood
found at the crime scene

except the victims

and O.J. Simpson's by th...
where he said he parked his car.

[Tom] When we take the doors
off, take the console out,

take the seats out,
take the back out,

strip everything out. We find
a lot of interesting stuff.

We were accused of finding
all this extra blood,

more of it as planting it.
It's another stab to the heart.

The jurors, that was
another story testifying.

And I look over and you
try to talk to the jury

and you try to
speak in lay terms

and they're taking notes and
kind of giggling to each other

and whispering, I can't
believe that Judge Ito

didn't put a stop to that, nor
did the prosecuting attorneys

say anything.

Everything was attacked.
That's their only defense.

They're going to
tell you it was lies.

They're going to tell
you it was a conspiracy.

We were very happy that we
found this amount of blood

because in those
days, analyzing DNA,

you needed a lot of blood.
We proved that it was

a combination of Ron Goldman,
Nicole Simpson and O.J. Simpson.

Evidence that was collected
from the Bronco is enormous.

Get any prosecutor in the
country that prosecutes cases,

would love to have what's
just in the Bronco.

[O.J.] Just tell
them I'm all sorry.

Y and tomorrow that I was sorry

and that I'm sorry that I did
this to the police department.

[Tom] Listen, I think you
should tell them yourself.

After the chase, we obviously
searched... searched the rear.

We searched the whole thing.

You gonna go to the house?

[O.J.] That's where I told
you we weren't... you know,

you just let them all know.
You let the police know,

you let them all know
I wasn't running.

[Tom] I know you
weren't running.

This was Simpson's mobile
phone that I spoke to him with.

[Rod] And that was during the
Bronco chase after the murder.

- The slow chase?
- Yeah.

- [Tom] You there?
- [O.J.] Just let me get to

- my house.
- Okay. We're going to do that.

[O.J.] I swear to you,
I'll give you what...

I'll give you me, I'll
give you my whole body.

[Tom] Just throw the
gun out the window.

Let's look at this disguise kit,
of significance in this kit,

see, you got a little
beard, and a mustache here.

But what's significant
is May the 27th, 1994.

So this disguise kit was bought
two weeks before the murders.

Why would he have
a disguise kit?

This was found in the back seat.

- Premeditation. Premeditation.
- Yeah.

Later is in pursuit.
He's got a gun.

Here's the gun right
here. A revolver.

This becomes very important
to my conversations with him,

that isn't brought
into evidence.

Just have A.C. pull over
and just toss that gun out

and everything will be okay.
It's gonna be better tomorrow.

- [O.J.] He's takin' me home.
- [Tom] I know he's

taking you home, but will
you please toss that gun?

Here's a set of keys. Ten
days before the murders,

Nicole went to her
mother and she says, Mom,

I'm a little concerned
because I think O.J.,

when he was in the last
time, stole my keys.

- There they are. He was right.
- What were those keys to,

other than her
door? Was it to...

[Tom] The gate and
the front door.

Why would he want to steal the
keys? Perhaps because he wanted

to go in there at
his own choosing.

There's actually two Broncos.

The first Bronco was
given to O.J. by Hertz.

He used the Bronco the
night of the murders.

His good friend, A.C. Cowlings,
also bought a 1994 white Bronco.

[Rod] O.J. was supposed
to turn himself in

at Parker Center
downtown. He never showed.

So this goes out
all over the news.

People are actually
running up to the car

- and banging on the windows.
- I saw that.

We jump ahead to the trial.

Where's all this stuff?

[Rod] None of this was used.

[Tom] No, this goes to
intent to flee, obviously,

that's the very least.

[Rod] Okay. What do we have?
We have two people murdered.

We have three locations.
We have a Bronco.

We have Rockingham and we
have Bundy Street. Right?

And we know that
there's a lot of blood.

[Tom] There's a ton
of blood in this car.

[Rod] I wanted to do a
little demonstration for you

that I was planning on
doing for the jurors

and this is stage blood.
And what I'm going to do

is put some on my knuckle.
O.J. Simpson was bleeding,

- left middle finger.
- Yeah.

I could come up. Sure. And
open the door like this.

But then it would be
awkward because you got to

push the button. But then I go
in like that and I'm bleeding

and I pull it out.
I open the door.

Even TV viewers of that trial
never knew that there was

enormous amounts of blood,
that these these were patterns

that were identifiable.
Pretty hard to refute.

Here's a photo
taken at the time of

the crime scene investigation.

This is the door
handle on this one.

Here's the same
door handle here.

And notice where it's located.

It's not where the
thumb would be.

It's not where the
little finger would be.

And we have a person
bleeding from which finger?

The left middle finger. And
that's O.J. Simpson's blood.

They did not put Rod Englert
on the stand to testify

to the months and months
of work that he did.

As to every bit of blood
evidence in this case

that the jury, I'm sure,

regardless of how they thought
about cops or anything else,

I'm sure they wanted to hear it.

Nobody else did
that on either side.

This is at the very end when
O.J. Simpson gets out of

the vehicle and leaves after
parking it on Rockingham.

- You didn't see that at trial.
- Exactly.

Somebody needed to tell
that story because the story

is pretty hard to refute.

I've done something here that I
think that will help the viewers

to realize how much blood
is actually in this vehicle

and the size of the scenes.

So this is not the same vehicle.

That vehicle had leather
seats. They were beige.

This has seats that are cloth.

But I just want to take the
viewer through how much blood

and what the patterns were
inside of the vehicle.

Well, who was
bleeding? O.J. Simpson.

Where was he
bleeding? Left finger.

And this is a transfer that
appears to be something,

could be the knife laying right
under it is a long blond hair.

And you're supposed
to testify to that

and admit it in
court, never happened.

Smears of blood everywhere.

[Tom] Crime scene photos of the
bronco of Rockingham, of Bundy.

Let's look at this disguise
kit. A mustache here.

Here's the gun right here.

This goes to intent
to flee, obviously.

Well, who was
bleeding? O.J. Simpson.

Where was he
bleeding? Left finger.

How it lines up with not only
opening the door on the outside,

but just opening the door
to get out on the inside.

It's only his blood. It's in
line with where he's bleeding.

And then when did
the crime occur?

Nighttime.

Well, what do you do on
a car when you get in it

to drive it at night,
you turn on the lights.

We actually Luminoled this and
this is on the light switch,

not only on the switch
itself, but below the switch.

And when the donor came back
as to whose blood this was,

it came back as human blood.
And it came back as the donor

being O.J. Simpson. Now,
that's a lot of blood,

but it even gets to be more.

On the steering wheel at
about 1:00, you will see

a faint transfer of blood
there down here at about 7:00.

Well, what hand do you
turn the lights on with?

You turn it on with
your left hand.

Sure, you can reach over and
turn it on with your right.

But in this particular case,
then you've got outside door,

inside door, light switch,
steering wheel. 1:00 and 7:00

is O.J. Simpson's blood.

Well, in getting in the
vehicle, we have a swipe

that goes from
left, the door side,

the driver's door
side to the right.

And that is Nicole
Simpson's blood.

See, there was never any theme.

There was never a story
that started at Bundy Street

and then went into a Bronco.

And that evidence then
transferred some of it

into a house and around a house.

I mean, there's a
ton of blood in here.

Why it was never
put into evidence.

You got blood here
that's visible,

anjd you got blood
that's not visible.

[Rod] Right, in trial,
only pieces were.

Well, this blood
here is this person.

[Tom] Sitting on the jury,
I want to know how, why.

[Rod] But there was never
any explanation of theme

that followed from
beginning to end

about these patterns,
what the patterns were,

what they mean,
what they came from.

We had two swipes of Nicole
Brown Simpson's blood

going from left to right
near the door sill,

as you can see here,
was also a swipe

of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood.

What is that consistent
with? That's consistent with

having blood on a hand which
we know he was bleeding

that swipes across or a sleeve

in both of these,
Nicole Simpson's blood.

[Tom] You know,
there is a story.

What we needed was
someone to tell it.

- [Rod] I was ready.
- [Tom] I know.

[Rod] If I were his defense
attorney, I'd be worried.

I would be really worried.
The evidence is overwhelming.

It's enormous. It's big.
This is a lot of blood.

These aren't little
specks of blood.

These aren't projected stains.

They are patterns,
large patterns of blood

to indicate that someone
is bleeding extensively.

On the console, it's as though
O.J. Simpson is reaching around.

And inside of that was a mixture

of Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ron Goldman's blood.

These are visible
to the naked eye.

Transfer stains from a hand
that is wet with blood.

[Tom] You look at
the DNA in this case

and the fact there's
nothing exculpatory,

never have too much
evidence in a murder case.

Like I have too much,
they'll never believe it.

Well, that was this case.

You had a ton of evidence
that was never brought.

[Rod] Just another transfer.
And this is a transfer

that appears to be something
that is it could be the knife.

You'll notice here, Tom.
Notice at the edge of it.

It's well-defined, laying
right under it in the seat

is a long, blond hair.

And remember I told you
what I picked off 39 hairs

from Goldman's shirt after
her throat had been cut.

Nicole's throat was cut. The
attacker went back to Goldman,

cut his throat, and all
those hairs came off

because there's close contact
and on to Goldman's shirt.

[Tom] Simpson never
even knew Ron Goldman.

So what would Ron Goldman's
blood be doing in Simpson's car?

Never could put
those two together.

In the seat, you have
Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

in the form of what appears
to be a knife transfer.

It's a very well-defined line
that's different than what

cloth would do or
a finger would do.

And then below that
is a long blond hair.

See the enormity
of that evidence?

And you're supposed
to testify to that

and admit it in court
and it never happened.

Any piece of evidence,
including the hair,

the strand of hair, was found by

one of the prosecution's
criminalists, Rod Englert.

In order to get
that into evidence,

something that the jury
can look at and consider,

it has to be admitted.
It was never admitted

because if it were admitted,
it would have been admitted

through Rod Englert.
That didn't happen.

And the only reason that
wouldn't have happened

is because the prosecution
wouldn't have wanted it,

well, why don't they want it?

Well, they didn't want a lot of
evidence submitted in this case.

That's why we're here
today doing this thing.

And this was one of
them because a cop

was delivering the
evidence, cops are on trial

as far as the jury is concerned.
And Rod is one of them.

Okay, Rod, why don't you
to step back a second.

I want to show you a little
fun fact here with it we found.

And he pulls the seat
out and there's a little

illumination bulb
rolling around underneath

- when you took the seat out.
- I remember that.

Plastic cover over the
illumination bulb was missing.

And so is the bulb, so I
look up, this bulb fits

at the top of the Bronco.
But I'm thinking back

to when I was a young cop,
the first thing we did

at night watch, we'd reach
up and we grab that bulb,

we'd pull it out. Why
would you remove the bulb?

For the same reason we
did. We didn't want...

He didn't want to
be illuminated.

This to me, again,
goes to intent.

It's very significant.
We never saw it in trial.

[Rod] Okay, Tom, now let's
talk about the socks.

[Tom] More accusations of
cops planting blood right.

[Rod] Tell me about that.

[Tom] Well, the socks Simpson's
house belonging to Simpson

- were recovered in his bedroom.
- Right.

Tom Lange picked them up
at the foot of the bed

and those socks
went into evidence.

[Tom] More accusations
of cops planting blood.

You get involved in this
whole thing as a blood expert,

blood spatter expert.

A shotgun blast was
down through the floor

that accounted for
the third shell.

Another third was here.
Here's your knife.

And then the person rolls
him over on his back.

We find on the socks that the
victim, Nicole Simpson's blood

is on these socks, on
O.J. socks in his bedroom.

We get accused of planting
that blood on those socks.

Ron and Nicole, you wouldn't
even know there's any victims

when all this B.S. starts.

They're talking about
everything else,

everything around the
periphery of this entire case

except the victims.
Nobody cares about that.

One of the defense
attorneys, Alan Dershowitz,

You would have voted to acquit.

And he says officer, he
calls him Officer Vannatter.

It was my late partner,
my late homicide partner

planted the victim's
blood on Simpson's socks

and he very demonstrably
puts his hands up

and says he's
holding the sock here

and there's a vial
of blood here.

And Vannatter poured
the blood on the sock.

Anything to throw
doubt within a case.

And this is a very,
very good example.

If this were true, number
one, why didn't we see this

during the trial?
And quite frankly,

waited until after
my partner died?

So we have the defense attorney
saying my partner poured blood,

planting it. Their
own investigator says

the lab planted it, well, they
can't get their lies straight.

Why wasn't this challenged
in rebuttal during the trial?

People can lie. Look at me, Tom.

People can lie, but the
evidence never lies.

Blood was poured onto the
socks and the blood was planted

- on the socks by the cops.
- Well, that's ridiculous.

It's common sense.
If you pour it,

that's a different pattern
than projected stains.

The blood pattern on the
socks was projected stain,

impact into blood that
projected the blood out.

This random distribution
of large and small drops

that were on both socks.
Just like go in your kitchen,

get some water and
pour it on a cloth.

Everybody knows that's
not the same pattern.

And then you have
to turn it over.

You have to do it to this side.

It doesn't create
that type of pattern.

If I'm in the jury,
I want to know

how the blood got on the socks.

[ t

I'm uncertain.

Here you have transfer pattern,
transfer pattern on the toes

and then projective stains on
360 degrees round those socks.

We looked at these socks
together, remember?

I flew to DOJ. You met me
there at Department of Justice

in Sacramento. Now, they
hadn't been analyzed yet

and we counted and looking
with magnification,

we've counted 29 projected
stains right here,

meaning little dots, the same
that are on Ron Goldman's boots.

And then 19 on this
particular sock, another sock.

Now, we don't know which
one was left or worn left

or which one was right. On
the toe of both of the socks

and on the top of one of them
was a different type of stain.

It wasn't projected stains,
it was a transfer stain.

Now transfer means if
I've got blood on my hand,

give me your hand and I
transfer it to your jacket

and I hit some
blood and projects,

that creates a little
random distribution

of large and small drops. Right?

Now, I want to
show you something.

I've got a cut, and I reach
down and I pull the sock down.

A neighbor told us that he saw
O.J. peeking in Nicole's window.

Coincidentally, the same type
of knit cap at the crime scene.

I believe that she was dating
guy, that his name was Keith.

The time that I think that
was who O.J. was spying on.

And we have a person
bleeding from which finger?

The left finger. Inside
of that was a mixture of

Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ron Goldman's blood.

We get accused of planning
that blood on those socks.

I've got a cut and I reach
down and I pull the sock down.

I've got blood on my hands.

We know he's bleeding
from the middle finger.

We know that that
blood is fresh.

And this is where
the transfer occurs

when I pull the socks down.
There is your transfer.

That is a pattern that's
different from the pattern

on both socks, 360
degrees around the ankles,

but not where my
pants are covering

and not where my
shoes are being worn.

And then you pull it off. You
usually have to grab the toe

or it's consistent with grabbing
the toe on both of these socks.

O.J. Simpson's
blood on the toes.

O.J. Simpson's blood at the top.

And Nicole Brown Simpson, 360
degrees of projected stains

from what the demonstration is
fighting, stomping, projecting

stains, out to the side.
You cannot pour blood

onto these socks to create
those kind of patterns.

It's pretty powerful evidence.
Remember, this is interesting.

When we was there at the lab,
you call me five days later

and you said, go to a secure
phone and left my office.

So I went to a phone
booth. It was raining.

I'll never forget the
words that you told me,

you said, want to know
whose blood this is?

She said there's only
five people that know

and the two of us
are two of the five.

Nicole Brown Simpson
blood and Simpson's blood.

And then there was
another accusation

that the lab rehydrated
these little stains

to make it go through
to the other side,

meaning nobody could
be wearing them.

Do you know what that means?

That means there was
no foot in that sock.

Can you really think of
this? Just think that

someone with a Q-Tip is
going to rehydrate blood

and 29 times

to make it go through the
other side that... that was,

that was not true. And that was
actually testified to in trial.

Tom, let me just show you
how ridiculous this is,

this false accusation,

the blood pouring that
allegedly has occurred

is when I pour blood into blood

and pour it on the socks.

You're not going to get
those individual stains.

It just isn't going to
happen. Look at that.

[Tom] It's solid.

[Rod] And it doesn't go
around to the other side.

This is a transfer. Now,
I've got blood on there

and that's a transfer.
And that's what we have

at the top that we couldn't
see with the naked eye.

- [Tom] Yeah.
- [Rod] Not only do we have

a transfer there, but
we have a transfer here

and we have a transfer
here on these socks.

And this tells a story.
It's that simple.

And so in going and meeting
with the criminalist,

the Department of Justice
and I contacted you later

as to what the results were.
And I've got a little video here

that he sent to us.
You remember this?

It's called an
infrared examination.

That is the camera that is able
to focus and be able to see

what the eye cannot see.

You can see the different
stains. They were there.

And I want you to see this.
This is the top of the sock.

[Tom] That is O.J.
Simpson's sock.

[Rod] That is O.J.
Simpson's socks found at

the foot of the
bed that you found.

This is a transfer stain
that we're looking at here.

And this is sock number 42A.

But now the criminalist is going
to go down this knee high sock

and you're going to start
seeing those projected stains.

And mind you, there's like 19
on one and 29 on the other.

They start showing up and
look where they're showing up.

And look, you're
coming up to the heel.

[Tom] Yeah.

[Rod] And also on the
sock was O.J. Simpson

at the transfer
stain, the upper one.

And look at the stain.
These are projected stains.

And there's little
ones. There's big ones.

That's a random distribution
of large and small drops from

fighting.

Here we start to see with
infrared photography and video

projected stains that comes
back to the blood of who?

- [Tom] Nicole Simpson.
- [Rod] Because you're the one

who told me that when you
had to go to a phone booth

- and call you.
- These are the ones you counted.

[Rod] That's right.

So there's a lot of them
all around the socks.

- [Tom] 360 degrees.
- [Rod] 360 degrees.

And there's a photograph
of Ron Goldman's boots.

You know what's on
the side of his boots?

Same type of projected stains.

This is like a transfer
stain at the toe.

- And guess who's blood that was?
- [Tom] Simpson's.

[Rod] That's Simpson's blood.

At the top and at the toe.

And the same on the
other at the toe.

[Tom] You've got Simpson's
blood, the suspect on the toe

and at the top of the sock.

You indicated how that got
there. And in the center,

- you got projected blood.
- Exactly.

From the victim. And
juror number seven,

she never believed
he was guilty.

Is this before she heard
the evidence, apparently.

Thought that the physical
abuse side of the case

was, quote, belongs somewhere
down the hall in another court.

This was a murder
trial. The defense shows

without any doubt that
that's exactly what it was.

Yet she associated this
apparently with some kind of,

uh, uh, abuse to the victim.

Yeah, it was plenty of abuse,
but I guess it just didn't

sink in that way with her.

[911 operator]
Attention all units,

domestic violence
at 30... correction,

325 south crescent ring way,

advise, the suspect
has now entered...

[Nicole] O.J., the
kids are sleeping.

[911 operator] 4-2-2-1 are
the 825, children involved.

[O.J.] You didn't give
a shit about the kids

when they were fucking
sitting in the living room.

They were here.

You give my kids shit?

Oh, it's different now...

[Bill] My partner,
Detective Lange

enter interview room
in Parker Center.

Tand the time is 13:35 hours.

And we're here
with O.J. Simpson,

I

And what is your birth date?

[O.J.] July 9, 1947.

[Tom] Okay, prior to us
talking to you as we agreed

with your attorney,
I'm gonna give you...

Is my hair okay? Is there.

Every time I meet someone and
they find out that I'm Kato,

the witness in the trial, they
all want to be a part of it.

They all have a story,
and it's like, why do you

want to be associated with that?

I don't want to be
associated with that.

But they are coming up with
these different theories.

You know, if I'm a
detective. I'm going, geez,

Tom, you take this
call. It's the psychic.

I'll never forget when
detective Vannatter said to me,

It's just there in my brain,

this is a two minute
Columbo episode

because we have
so much evidence.

And I was like, Oh, wow.

All of little pointed
in one direction.

[Reporter] Mark asked Kato if
he thought his new pal O.J.

could help his
struggling acting career.

I don't think we're going
for the same parts, right.

I'm going to L.A. to be an
actor and things are going okay.

And I was in a few commercials.
I was doing my things.

I kept going, Hey, I
could be Brad Pitt.

Oh, okay, maybe
Armpit. His brother.

- What's your name?
- Erin.

[Man] Any book deals or
anything happening for you?

Coloring book, maybe one day.

I'll do a coloring
book. We'll see.

Do you have a crayon?

You do. You do carry
a crayon, don't you?

I noticed that about you.

Everything has a
blueprint in your life,

and for whatever reason,

mine was to be a
witness in this trial.

In 1994, my friend
produced a movie.

Believe it or not, I had the
script three months earlier

to Dumb and Dumber, and that was
the film that I was tested for.

And later in life I got to
meet the Farrelly brothers

who directed that
film. And I'm going,

You guys got to hear this story.

[Tom] You were hanging around
O.J. for quite a while,

and you probably get opinions.

He was a wealthy guy. I
wasn't. So it was sort of like

he was tax bracket was
Danish, I was donuts.

So I converted that way.
He loved having people

make sure they knew it was him.

A neighbor told us that he saw
O.J. peeking in Nicole's window

and he was wearing a
dark colored knit cap.

Coincidentally, the same type
of knit cap at the crime scene.

[Kato] I Believe that
she was dating a guy,

that his name was Keith
at the time that I think

that was who O.J. was spying on.

[Tom] There's a lot of things in
this case that weren't brought

as evidence that should
have been brought.

Marcia Clark's doing her
job. The only thing was

I don't know why she called
me a hostile witness.

Basically what she's saying
is whatever Kato says,

it really means nothing.

Kato was Kato and Kato didn't
give up a lot during that trial.

Probably just
because of that fact,

you're not going to
cooperate. I wouldn't either.

I think he was as
forthright as he could be,

and there's no reason
for him not to be.

Everybody's says and even
the media says, you know,

then the cops get involved. And
the biggest problem they had

is they concentrated
on O.J. Simpson.

They never looked
at another person.

That's all B.S. That's not true.

There's other people
that were suspects.

We actually have what
we call a clue file.

And among those were
512 of these things

that we investigated.
And among them

were about 50
potential suspects.

- [Kato] 150?
- [Tom] Fifty, 5-0

potential suspects.

We spent months on other
possible suspects in this case.

It's all documented.
It was all turned over.

Go down here to, oh, look at
this, 317, what does that say?

[Kato] Kato killed the Nicole
because she broke up with Kato.

Suggest putting Kato
on the lie detector.

Well, it's not me.

- You know what the good news is?
- What?

- You're a three.
- I'm a three.

That's a Category three,
that's always good to know.

On top of her head, she
also has a stab wound.

She has contusions. There's
another wound on her

that hasn't happened yet.

O.J. Simpson's
blood on the toes.

[Kato] His name was Keith. That
was who O.J. was spying on.

There's a lot of things in
this case that weren't brought

as evidence. This
was one of them.

Kato, suggest putting
Kato and the lie detector.

Well, it's not me.

They're interviewing over 50
suspects, 5-0, and to know

they collected so much
evidence that never was used,

- I'd be so pissed off.
- I told you we had this audio,

I wanna play that
for you in a bit.

But looking around here
at all these pictures,

what does that look like?
This picture right here?

That's the old Kato room
right there. It's clean.

It was 5:00 or so
in the morning,

there's a knock at my door,
and all I saw to the door

were four guys. And
I just let you in.

I'm in a daze at that
time, I'm always in a daze

but I'm in a daze
because of sleep.

Picture this though, really,
four guys at 5:00 a.m.

coming to your door
and you don't even ask

if they're really police
and you say, Come on in.

He said to me, he said, What
did you wear last night?

And I said, Oh,
it's on that chair.

Now, you have to understand,
I don't know what's going on.

Then I start thinking,
something happened to O.J.

is there plane crash?

Ten hours earlier?
Were you lying in bed?

Something happened.
I was on the phone.

I heard a noise,
and a picture moved,

and I said, did we
have an earthquake?

- To her on the phone?
- Yeah.

Sort of a... like,
what was that?

What's behind your bed
wall, on the outside?

There's an air conditioner.
And that's about it.

Does that look like the air
conditioning unit behind you?

Yeah. Someone said, you hear
anything unusual last night?

I said, I don't know if
this is an important thing,

but my picture moved. But
it might not be anything.

It happened behind this wall.

[Tom] Yeah, that was
kind of important

because right down here
was the glove, right?

- So it kind of was important.
- Yeah, it was important.

[Kato] Everybody remembers
the bloody glove, everybody.

[Tom] And so I get back to this
audio I was telling you about.

I want to get a feeling for what
you think about his responses.

This isn't interrogation.
If the cops are going to

interrogate somebody, they
usually confront them.

You don't do that with someone
like this, who's a sociopath.

Number two, probably
kick your ass anyway.

The audio for Kato was the
interview that Bill Vannatter

and I did with Simpson.

And this is about 14 hours
after the murders occurred.

At this point, Simpson
is not a suspect.

He's a potential suspect.

We still want to know
his side of things.

What's going on? What
did you do last night?

I know you just got
in from Chicago.

We had these terrible murders.

I want to see what he's
got to say about that.

[Tom] We're investigating,
obviously, the death

of your ex-wife and another man.

Someone told us that.

How did you get the
injury on your hands?

[O.J.] I don't know.

N I was in Chicago, I know.

But at the house, I was
just running around and I...

[Tom] How'd you do it?

[O.J.] I broke a
glass. I just was

you had, one of you
guys had just call me

and I was in the bathroom
and I was in the bathroom a

for a little bit.

And it was a normal dance,
humbling, bumbling around.

Well, you know, I cut it
back in Chicago on a glass,

on a drinking glass. I cut
my fingers all the time.

You know, I'm playing golf,
I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

So we're getting two or
three different scenarios.

[Tom] If you recall,
bleeding at all

in the truck, in the Bronco?

[O.J.] I recall
bleeding at my house.

And then I went to the...
went to the Bronco.

The last thing I did
The last thing I did b

was I went and got my
phone out of the Bronco.

[Tom] Do you recall
bleeding at all?

Yeah. I mean, I knew I was
bleeding. It was no big deal.

I bleed all the time, I mean, I
bleed all the time, I mean, I.

There's always some
Knicks and stuff.

But if you cut it in
Chicago, you stick with it,

you don't say, Well, I
might have cut it over here.

I might have done this
and I'm cut... and like,

it's no big thing. Let's
forget about it and move on.

That's what he wanted.

Most important evidence now
is blood. Blood evidence.

[Bill] You haven't had any
problems with her lately,

have you?

[O.J.] I always have
problems with her, you know,

I guess our relationship has
been a problem relationship.

[Bill] O.J., well,
that's sort of a problem.

We've got some blood
on and in your car.

Y

And sort of a problem with it.

[O.J.] Well, we'll
take my blood test.

[Tom] Well, we'd
like to do that.

We've got to, of course,
the cut on your finger

that you don't...
not real clear on.

Bleeding with the middle left
finger left side of his body.

So right away the
wheels start spinning.

I want to find out
about that finger.

So I'm building this
rapport and it worked.

He didn't invoke,
as a consequence,

we ended up him cooperating and
letting us look at his finger.

Do you recall having that cut
on your finger the last time

you were at Nicole's house?

[O.J.] A week ago? No, no.

- [Tom] So it's been since...
- [O.J.] Yeah, right.

Since last night.

So intense and now he's
like, oh I got to cut.

I don't, I don't know
the cut, where I got it.

He's thinking now
what can he say?

I think you're right.
I think you're right.

O.J., you're bleeding.

We'll maybe have somebody
take a look at that,

put a Band-Aid on it, and he
said, Oh, no, that's fine,

everything's okay.
The back of my mind,

I'm thinking evidence. Meanwhile
he gives us three really sketchy

responses about how
he cut his finger.

[Bill] What do you
think happened?

[O.J.] I had no idea, man.

You guys haven't
told me anything.

I have no idea what happened
when you said to my daughter,

said something to me
today that somebody else

might have been involved.
Might have been involved. I

w why or what?

You guys haven't
told me anything.

Every time I asked you guys,
are you going to tell me?

[Tom] Well, we don't we don't
know a lot of the answers

to those questions yet
our self O.J., okay?

[Bill] Did you
ever hit her O.J.?

[O.J.] Uh... That one night,
we had a fight that night.

That night we had a fight.
She hit me, you know.

And as I said, they
never took my statement.

T They never want to hear

the housekeeper's
side. Nicole was drunk.

She did her thing.
She did her thing. S.

She hit me.

I, I, I got to tell you,
just listen to this.

It's sort of

she's dead, right?

Let's what else we got here.

[O.J.] I didn't punch her or
anything, but I, I, you know...

[Bill] Slapped her
a couple times.

[O.J.] No, no, I wrastled
her is what I did.

I haven't slapped her at
all. Nicole's a strong girl.

She's a [scoffs] one of
the most conditioned women

since that period of time.
She's hit me a few times,

but I've never touched
her after that.

[Tom] Did Mr. Weissman, your
your lawyer, your attorney

talk to you anything
about this polygraph?

About us performing one?

But what are your
thoughts on that?

[O.J.] Should I talk
about my thoughts on that?

You know, I mean, I'm sure
eventually I'll do it.

But it's like I got
some weird thoughts now.

[Tom] The reason we're
talking to you is you're,

you're the ex-husband.

[O.J.] I know I'm the
number one target.

And now you're telling me
And now you're telling me I.

[Tom] Well, there's blood at
your house in the driveway

and that footstep, we
got a search warrant.

W

[Bill] Is that your
blood? This drip there.

[O.J.] If this is what I dripped
running around trying to leave.

- [Tom] Last night?
- [O.J.] Yeah and I wasn't aware

that it... I was aware that
I you know, I was trying to

get out of the house. I didn't
pay any attention to it.

I mean, you've got to
be, like just pissed off.

Why aren't they using
this stuff that we found?

It was never put on as evidence
and it should have been.

Could have sent you or me to
prison for the rest of our life.

[Kato] I can tell you one
thing I keep close to my heart

is to know where I came from
and all that and I still have

my house guest key and yeah...

Much of autopsy photos trying
to determine what happened.

Now, again, the blood tells
the story, but the wounds

also tell the story.

Well, one thing,
the body is evidence

and then the clothing that
the person wears is evidence.

And one other thing that
people don't regard a lot

is the lack of blood in
certain areas is also evidence.

She goes down because of these
four stab wounds, that here,

that penetrate her heart and it
had to be a long bladed knife

to go that deep.
On top of her head,

she also has a stab
wound. She has contusions.

This would put somebody
down very quickly.

There's another wound on
her that hasn't happened yet

because Ron Goldman walks up.

He is stabbed multiple,
multiple times. He's in a fight.

Look at all the
defensive wounds on him.

He is struggling with
everything within him.

There's a total of 29 stabbing
wounds, cuts, defensive wounds.

And this happened, as
we know, in seconds.

There's what's
called a swallowtail,

if you will look at this,
you'll see that the knife is in

its down deep in his neck.

Now this is a long bladed knife.
Here's what's significant.

This swallowtail means that
the knife cut at this plane

and then the knife shifted
and cut at this plane.

Do you know why it shifted?
It's because he's moving.

He's got a knife in his
neck and he is struggling

and he is still up. Now,
one thing that tells me

that he was up a
significant amount of time

is the wounds to his body
bled as he is standing.

If you go shift over to
the picture of his pants

that are over here on the
wall, it's down both sides,

this doesn't happen when
you're laying in on the ground

in the position that he's in.

Look at all the way
down on the right side.

- Sure.
- Huge amount of blood.

But it takes a little
time to soak, and to run.

So he's fighting.

This kid is fighting with
everything within him.

Even with the wounds,
he's not going to go down

because he's trying to
save that person's life

that's laying there, that he's
delivering the glasses to,

that's laying down on that step.

[Tom] And you can tell
by the lack of blood,

- they're perimortem wounds.
- [Rod] Exactly.

She has abrasions from
consistent with going down

against that tree.
So he's in a fight.

So now he's down and he's
seated on his buttocks.

He has his back up
against the fence,

the attacker could have
left the scene at that time.

But that's when the
attacker goes over

and we've already looked at
the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

but the one that is going to
ensure that she's going to die.

[Allan] You know, made
the second call at 10:44.

He made the third call. I
think we're up to about 10:46

at about that time. That's
when I see a dark figure

come across the driveway here.

I heard a noise,
a picture moved.

Sort of a... like,
what was that?

[O.J.] I know I'm the
number one target.

You've got to be,
like, just pissed off.

[O.J.] I knew I was bleeding,
but it was no big deal.

I bleed all the time.

[Tom] The blood tells the story,

but the wounds
also tell a story.

[Rod] And we've already looked
at the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

but the one that is going to
ensure that she's going to die.

That's right here.

This is cut all the way
back to the vertebrae.

But the attacker
didn't stop there.

Turns and goes back
to Ron Goldman,

which is just a step
and pulls him over.

That's when you saw
his shirt way up.

Sure, these are grab
marks on the shirt.

- [Tom] Goldman's shirt.
- [Rod] That's what they

that's a pattern.
That's another pattern.

And grabs him and then goes
from his right to his left

with the same knife
cutting his throat.

And that's insurance that
both of them are dead.

Got everything but
a serial number.

I mean, with all of these
wounds, people will say, well,

there's two different
knives and all that is

is an intersecting wound.

[Rod] Just imagine Nicole was
probably playing with her Akita.

- Yeah.
- The door rings or something,

and she goes out, life
is over in seconds.

- My gosh.
- You know you're going to die.

You don't see it. If I could...
You know you're going to die.

This is nine months
after the trial,

jurors are appearing on
things like Larry King,

juror number three,
female, white, age 60.

She states she
feels he was guilty,

but the evidence wasn't
there and I've got, huh?

With a big question mark, I
don't care if he was guilty

or not guilty, you didn't
look at the evidence.

But there was other
things in this, too,

that was very important
that need to be brought out.

And one of them was a photograph
of Nicole in a little negligee,

a black negligee
that she was wearing.

There was a pattern
on that negligee

right under her right
arm on her back.

And it appeared
to be a footprint.

And it was very well defined,

but a good picture
wasn't taken of it.

[Tom] You circled something
here. What did you circle?

[Rod] I did. When I
looked at this clothing.

This was a footprint type
impression in like mud and blood

on her back.

There was a lot of flaky blood
there. Doesn't show it here.

Now, what does that mean?
That means that blood

had to be on the ground before
this was applied, right?

- Yeah.
- And so this is a

stomp impression before he
left, which includes that

there's that rage
and it's right here

on her back underneath
the clothing.

Looks like a shoe impression,
which is bruising,

which means her heart
is still beating.

- Right.
- So she had a little bit of life

left in her in those
few seconds that it took

this thing to occur and
here you have that pattern.

That's not lividity. So that
is a last final, you know...

He's thinking.

I don't want to say it.

- You testify to that?
- That's a medical examiner's.

- And we had it.
- Who found it?

- Well, I found it.
- Yeah. You're supposed to share

- with the prosecutor, right?
- Right. Well, we did.

I know you did. We've shared
a lot with the prosecutor.

- We just didn't see it in trial.
- Right. Right.

You have to look at every
piece of evidence, every piece,

looking at everything
in order to reconstruct.

In Ron Goldman's
shirt had two patterns

on the back of the shirt
and they were grab patterns.

[Tom] This is Ron
Goldman's shirt.

[Rod] Okay. This is
very interesting.

This is something that
wasn't used in the trial.

But these are hand transfers.

And I looked at that,
took pictures of that

and actually picked hairs off
of the front of that jacket.

This is consistent with a
grabbing of the material

and in the struggle or
pulling him over to his side

when he's up against the fence.

And that's why you see
what looks like fingers

in the voids in between, because
the blood can't get there.

And you have sort of a
twisting action that is here

in both of these. If I grabbed
you with the bloody hand,

I'm going to grab you

when it's released
and goes to the lab.

The laboratory will
lay it out flat

and then you will see voids,
blood can't get down in there.

And that's why you see
what looks like fingers

in the voids in between because
the blood can't get there.

And you have a sort of a
twisting action that is here

- in both of these.
- Same time you showed the DA

- the pictures?
- Yes. And explained

what the grab marks were.
Yeah. It's not a stab and run.

This is going to tell us what
happened during the struggle.

So the jury sitting there,
they don't know about this.

Man to man, right?

Ron Goldman had no stab
wounds in his back.

They were at the side and
there were five defects

in the back of the shirt, but he
had no stab wounds in his back.

What does that mean? It's
consistent with the struggle.

Struggle around while the
jacket, the shirt is being held

tightly, and then it's
twisted in such a way

that when he's stabbed, he's
actually stabbing into his side.

That's just indicative
of a struggle.

There were superficial
wounds on his neck.

These are just simply
wounds where the attacker

couldn't get the knife in
trying to cut the throat.

What came between were
these appendages the hands,

the gloves on the hand in
this fight, this is going on.

- Yeah.
- And there's a there's has to be

an arm around the neck
of Ron Goldman because

the glove comes off. I
mean, he's not going to

turn around, say,
hey, stop fighting.

I'ma take off the glove.
You just don't do that.

This is a struggle.

[Tom] Recovered a bunch of
gloves from Simpson's house

per the search warrant
and I was told to go in

and in court, open court out
of the presence of the jury,

prosecutors here,
defense lawyers here,

investigators behind
them and I'm just kind of

looking over the top and they
don't want me to be looking.

And I said, wait a minute.
I've been instructed to watch

what he's doing when
he puts the gloves on,

[Man] You think O.J. had a
bag with the bloody clothes

because every time he put
a new pair of gloves on,

he's under the counsel table
like this, putting them on,

well, they were
slipping right on.

These are from my house?
Simpson is asking me.

These are from my house?

No, no, no talking. No talking.
They shut me up real quick.

[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have
the right to remain silent.

This again, was out of
the presence of the jury.

But again, they're just
trying to cover this stuff up.

You got to keep it simple.
Be able to explain it.

Don't talk over
anybody at a level

that they don't understand.

I'm not the best
artist in the world.

You know, this is
Nicole Simpson's wounds.

She had seven stab wounds
to neck and the scalp.

I describe the severed
wound on her neck.

There's not one thing
that's not explainable.

[Tom] Somebody made a
quote about it sounds like

we screwed everything
up. I said, you know,

we screwed this case
up at every level

and everything still comes
back pointing at Simpson,

there was nothing
exculpatory in this case

that was substantive
nature. And by that, I mean

there's nothing anybody
could point to that says,

well, maybe he didn't do
it, which is very rare

in any murder case.

Would you use these
testifying in court?

[Rod] Oh, I'd have
them in front of me.

[Tom] That's why you did this.

And I would provide the
defense a copy of these.

- That's what you did.
- I don't hide these.

They never ask for my numbers.

10-11-1994, a few months after
it happened on June 12th.

- For the trial.
- And here we have the autopsy,

the transection of the
neck, the left jugular.

That gives me where the
wound started, you know,

from his right to his left,
because it comes deeper,

starts shallower, and then
we have multiple stab wounds

to the chest and the
abdomen and the thigh.

That's why you have all
the bleeding that we have

on his pants and numerous
bruises, abrasions, cuts,

stab wounds, the left jugular.

You know where my
reports had to go?

Did you... are you aware
that I was not allowed

to send my reports
to who I worked for

and was hired by and
retained by the prosecution?

I was ordered to send everything
everything to Judge Ito.

So I think the ball is
in your court to justify.

That's the strangest thing
I've ever had happened.

Who ordered you to send
everything to judge Ito?

Judge Ito did. You didn't
know that, did you?

No, I didn't know that.

The National Enquirer was
setting up some kind of

a command post in Simi Valley
to do some background on me.

Sunday, March 12th. I got one
of my daughters, 11 years old,

and I'm taking her
to Sunday school.

Back around this time,
they still had phone booths

and there was a phone booth
outside the service station.

And I look over and
I do a double take.

If it wasn't Carl Douglas,
the defense attorney,

then he's got a
double somewhere.

I live in Simi Valley and
everybody knows that's where

the Rodney King trial occurred.
So people who are racists,

and who are dirty cops,
who plant evidence,

they must live in Simi Valley.

Three times, while I was on
the stand, Cochran asked me

about Simi Valley,
to tie me into that.

So I look at this and
I'm thinking, Well, yeah,

they tried to push this thing.

This is not a racist valley.

In a high profile case,
especially one that's televised,

to 55 million people a day.
The court wants to maintain

some type of control,
I would think.

Not true necessarily
in this case.

Stop this cover up.

If you have the defense
going to the media

two or three times
a day during trial,

going after witnesses, the
court should have instructed

all the attorneys, cops,
anybody else involved

that they should not talk to
anybody about any evidence

at any time in this case
until the case is concluded.

Nobody got gagged,
except two people.

Me and my partner.

And the defense loved
it when we got gagged

and they weren't.

[Rod] Looking at
this photograph here,

that bring back any memories.

[Allan] Yeah it does and
you know, not good ones.

I'm Allan Park, O.J.
Simpson's limousine driver,

the unknown that became the
known more than I ever wanted.

The time I left? 11:15.

You wouldn't lie to me when
I talk to you, would you?

No.

It was for a 10:45
pickup that night.

No activity in the house or
on the property or anything.

I sat there for a little
bit, smoked a cigarette.

I saw that there was a um, an
intercom system right there

with a telephone. Rang,
rang, rang, rang, rang.

No answer, no answer.

Started to ring on
the intercom again.

Ring, ring, ring, ring,
ring. No answer, no answer.

When I made the first call,
you know you're talking,

you know, 10:43 you know, I
made the second call 10:44.

Made the third call.

I think we're up to about
10:46 at about that time.

That's when I see a dark figure
come across the driveway here

and there you see the paw
print, just like we have

in the photograph that's here.

Same pattern was
projected onto her back.

- Yeah.
- In that photograph.

You just don't speculate
and throw ideas out there

to the jury and say,
because I said so.

That doesn't cut it.

The one that is going to
ensure that she's going to die.

It's right here.

And numerous bruises,
abrasions, cuts, stab wounds.

I was ordered to send
everything to Judge Ito.

It's the strangest thing.

That's when I see dark figure
come across the driveway.

I'm here at the gate
looking straight in.

I could see him from
about this area here,

is when he comes into view.

- It was a quick walk.
- Quick walk.

It wasn't a run, pick
up the intercom again

and start to ring.
It rang a few times

before he finally picked
up and he said, you know,

Hey, hey, man,
sorry I overslept.

I just got outta the shower
and I'll be down in a minute.

I'm expecting him
to open up the gate.

He never buzzed me in,
the gate never opened.

And Allan said that he
felt something strange.

It didn't fit. You know,
he's here to pick someone up,

take 'em to the airport,
something he didn't understand.

And it's not too long after
I hang up the intercom,

I see another person come out
from this walkway out here

up to the driveway.

We all know now it was Kato.

Opens up the gate
and lets me in.

Kato's right up on me and
he's like, hey man, hey, hey,

did you feel an earthquake?

[Reporter] Kato had not seen
O.J. for more than an hour

since their return from
McDonald's at 9:35.

[Attorney] Did he seem real
excited to have you come?

[Judge] Sustained.

Wouldn't you?

[Allan] Meanwhile OJ still
hasn't come out of the house.

At one point Kato tells me that,
he goes, well, I was talking

to a girlfriend of
mine on the phone.

I heard some thumps on the
wall and the picture moved.

And that's about when OJ
came out of the house.

[Tom] The word is it occurred
about 10:35 give or take.

We had this witness
hearing this commotion.

[Allan] When OJ came over to the
car, he was uh, I don't know.

A little bit aggitated.
He seemed to be sweating.

[Tom] It was warm that
night then, you're saying?

[Allan] It was June
12, 11:00 at night.

I was wearing a suit
and I wasn't hot.

[Tom] Was he actually sweating?

I'm not the sweat expert.

It's almost laughable. The
defense had to do something.

They had their
reputations on the line.

The world is watching them,
too. What are they gonna do?

Are they gonna roll over
and say, yeah, he did it.

That he didn't mean to?

No, they're gonna
attack everything.

[Allan] As we're standing there,
he overhears Kato asking about

an earthquake again. And
that's when O.J. asked.

He goes, oh, we
had an earthquake?

It's like, no man, we
didn't have an earthquake.

Dude, come on.

Kato is generally, he's scared
about something back there.

I can tell. He's
really aggitated.

And he really wants to go
back there and check it out.

[Tom] Back where?

[Allan] To go see where these,
the sounds were on his wall.

O.J. asked him about, you
know, we had an earthquake.

I said, no, we didn't
have any earthquake.

I hear O.J. clearly say, all
right, we'll go check it out.

And he points to Kato
to go around here.

He says he's gonna go that way.
O.J. follows right behind him.

And I'm like, that's
kind of weird.

He just said he was
gonna go the other way.

O.J. turns around and as he
sees that I'm following him,

he's all, we gotta go.
We gotta get out of here.

You know, we're runnin' late.

Kato offered to go get this
little, black bag that was

behind the uh, the black
car that, that was there,

with the trunk opened.

Simpson abruptly stopped him.
Said, no, no. I'll get that bag.

Went himself and grabbed this
half-bone shaped travel bag.

We've never seen that
bag, what was in it.

No, I thought it was
a little bit strange.

When he left American Airlines,
the last thing he remembers

seeing is O.J. standing right
next to the trash container

at the left of the entrance.

And on top of that trash
container is that half

bone-shaped travel bag
that the other witness

identifies as being on
top of the container.

Says, yeah, I also saw
him shove something down

in the trash container.

Prior to the
preliminary hearing,

he's interviewed by
Marcia, the prosecutor.

And he tells her this. This
is the last thing I saw.

That should have been
used. Again, to this day,

people say, where is the knife?

Where is the shoes?
Where is the clothing?

Well, what did he stick
in that trash container?

Tell me in your own words what
you think of this whole mess.

I'm nervous.

I know that I'm going on TV in
front of the world, you know,

and here my attorney mom is
like, oh, isn't this exciting,

you know?

I'm like, no, mom. I'm
gonna freakin' puke here.

[Tom] Like two days
after this occurs,

you get a phone call
from a couple of guys

who say they're
lawyers, Bob and Skip.

[Allan] The defense.
They were the first ones

- to get a hold of me, yes.
- [Tom] Anybody? Simpson?

They said that
they were attorneys

and that they were
representing Mr. Simpson.

[Tom] Well, when they interview
you, nobody ever advised you

that it was being tape recorded.

It was illegal, but
they continued on.

This is what you call
a fishing expedition.

[Allan] It was like Patty Jo
or something that's in charge

of the witnesses.

And she says, well, Marcia's
coming back up here.

She wants to talk to you.

Brought a tape recording
that the defense did with me.

We listened to the tape all
the way through and then you

can hear me hang-up and
the tape's still rolling.

And the first thing we hear
them say is, well, that's funny.

That's not what
O.J.'s telling us.

I mean, we looked
at all each other,

Marcia, I and our
jaws just dropped.

And the next thing he says,

are you usually sweaty when
you get out of the shower?

Bob Shapiro, the defense
attorney was involved.

He was called by his
nickname was BS, Bob Shapiro.

Why don't we jump to the trial?

Johnny Cochran has you on cross.

They really hammered
me on the bags.

You know, they brought in the
Louis Vuitton garment bag.

They seemed to have those bags.

[Reporter] O.J.'s lawyers tried
to claim the vanished valise

was really this one.

They started asking me firstly
is that, is this the bag?

I said, no, that's not the bag.

When they said, the bag, what
the bag is he talking to?

The bag that was on the trash
can, trying to tell me that,

that's it and they said,
and I even told them.

I said, look and that
bag's never been used.

It's brand new, still
folded and crushed.

It looks like it just
came out of a package.

I mean, I can't believe I didn't
even see a price tag on it.

Judge Ito is listening to
this, but he's doing something.

He's not really
paying attention.

I don't know what they were
trying to do with the bag thing.

Get you to roll over on it
and say, yeah, that was it.

- I never did.
- Case closed.

Yeah, never did.

[Tom] I got this shot from
Bundy looking westwards,

towards Nicole. We look at this.

There she also bought some
Bruno Maglis for herself.

We see all this blood flowing
down towards the street.

But in the middle here,
there's a lot of prints, okay?

The defense, one of the defense
experts came out and said.

She takes off for Bruno Maglis
and puts them on the table.

when talking about the crime
scene, one of the problems

to the LAPD cops who
were at the crime scene,

they walked through
a lot of blood,

left their footwear
impressions all over the place.

[Rod] Nicole's dog got out

and that was the
Akita dog named Kato.

All this is he's running
up and down in the blood

creating transfers
from paw prints.

The dog is frantic.

But there's dozens of
them. They're all over.

Yeah, the dog even goes and
puts his paws up above her,

the step, bloody paw prints
and doesn't go any further,

and drew the feet back.

There you can see
the paw prints.

He drew it back. And
it's spattered blood.

And then leaves, goes up
and down the sidewalk.

There is so much
evidence in this case.

Multiple paw prints, bloody
paw prints of the dog,

Nicole's dog running
up and down traumatized

as to what's going on.

Those are not footprints
from a human being.

[Tom] If I was just
looking at it objectively,

this needs an explanation.

That's a dog paw
going across here.

If I'm gonna look at this
crime scene and see anything,

and I'm of the jury
or anyone else,

I want to find
out what happened.

[Rod] So you experiment.
And I made a video.

And we're doing this last
experiment on concrete

to simulate the conditions
of concrete with the state

of the home with a
simulated body in the scene.

And we're gonna have the dog
run up close to create patterns

on the back of the subject to
see if those patterns match

the one in the scene, if
they're from a different source

or if they could be from the
source we're gonna create here.

[Rod] Look at the blood that's
on the small tree transfer.

So we'll pour the stage blood.

[Rod] And this is
a canine deputy.

There you go.

It's animal blood.
Gets the dog excited.

And the dog will run
around leaving paw prints.

And I pour some more blood there

to see if we can replicate.

And the dog, there you see
the paw prints just like

that we have in the
photograph that's here.

- Yeah.
- And...

And then the same pattern
was projected onto her back

as we have here in
that photograph.

You just don't speculate
and throw ideas out there

to the jury and say
because I said so.

That doesn't cut it.

They had a bunch of kids
out front during the trial

selling t-shirts, free O.J...

I asked this one kid.
Nice kids, actually.

We talked to them a little bit.

We had kind of a back and
forth with these kids.

Because they did have
a sense of humor.

I'd asked them, you know,

how do sales go in
something like this?

And this kid looked me right
in the eye and he said,

the longer you
have him in there,

the more money I make out here.

So keep going type of thing.

So we went inside. We got
stopped halfway in there.

I think it was CNN, a young
reporter, a young woman.

And she asked, who are those
fellas you were talking to?

I said, well, I'm not
supposed to tell anybody,

but these are these four
kids. They're witnesses.

And we're trying to get into
court, so nobody sees them.

Just screwing with them.

And they come on and they report
these four mysterious witnesses

that the prosecutors are
trying to sneak into the court.

Now it's the big
story of the morning.

[Tom] I'm gonna say that
the major controversy

in this whole case was
blood on the rear gate.

Do you remember
hearing that phrase?

[Rod] Yeah.

I didn't get involved in that
issue, but I do know about it.

That's why it's good to have
an objective opinion now

on something that I'm
about to show you here.

[Reporter] Defense attorney,
Barry Sheck illicits testimony

to support his theory that
O.J. Simpson was framed.

We had criminalists
at the scene,

you had blood everywhere.

Three weeks later, we
go on a walk through

and we come to the rear
gate, the infamous rear gate.

One of the district attorneys
looks down at the lower rung.

And he sees what
appears to be blood.

This is three weeks
later. And he looks at it.

And he says, well,
we better take that.

They collect the sample.
It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

So the big question
from the defense,

well, why didn't you
get this the first time?

It must've been planted,
so of course the media runs

with that and everybody
else runs with it.

Blood on the rear gate.

The Simpson jury never got
an explanation for anything.

This is in seconds,
in 12 seconds

is an explanation that

could take some people a month.
And you did it in 12 seconds.

Why in the hell
they never saw this.

I don't know the answer to that.

[Rod] The door rings or
something and she goes out.

Life is over in seconds.

You know you're gonna die.

We hear them say, that's
not what O.J.'s telling us.

[Tom] The infamous rear gate.
It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

Well, why didn't you
get this the first time?

It must've been planted,
so of course the media runs

with that and everybody
else runs with it.

Blood on the rear gate.

Well, in this one here, I call
my bible, my Simpson bible.

It's about details with
all of the nonsense

and all of the bureaucracy.

So I put the realities in
there with perceptions.

Neglected evidence.

There were 512 additional
so-called clues.

So I've got a couple of
photos taken on the day of the

crime scene investigation.
This is the rear gate.

I don't know how
good your sight is,

but if you want to get
a magnifying glass.

Oh, I can see what
you're talking about.

Can you see something down here?

See a little blood drop?

Three weeks later we had
this photograph here.

Same location, same
configuration, same blood.

I'm 100% that's the blood drop.

Drops of blood that are
a certain distance apart.

You can see the
measurement here.

And that still exists
in this photograph.

So I wanted them to rebut the
planted blood on the rear gate.

They wouldn't do it.

The bottom line is the
prosecution did not put this on.

It's very strong when you
get accused of planting blood

and you're the investigating
officer in a double murder case.

Someone's gotta say something.
Someone's gotta get pissed off.

It's as simple as that.

[Rod] It's a pattern.

In other words you have
two drops that are distant,

the same measurement apart.
Somebody dropped the ball.

Why wasn't this
found originally?

They did have the criminalist
testify. That's why he was...

Attention was diverted.

It was a mistake that
he didn't collect it.

That's too bad, but if
somebody turned this around

and made it sound like
cops planted this evidence.

We just proved that they didn't.

Why wouldn't they want a
jury to look at these two?

The defense has a motion.

Have you ever heard
the term, coverup?

[Tom] To get hair
samples from myself.

The coverup continues.

[Tom] I don't have
all that much.

I think the standard
was 40 follicles.

Maybe they'll find me in
contempt or something.

Cause I don't even
have that many.

He wants some hair samples
from us because if hair becomes

an issue in the case, it could
be that cops had left it there.

For what? I don't
know. Just a dirty cop.

They actually pushed it.

They said we would like blood
samples from these cops.

Well, there's only three
bloods here of any interest.

The two victims and
the suspect, Simpson.

And that's the defense.

And they get away
with this crap.

If you gag everybody involved,
prevent them from going to the

media three to four times a day,

and putting their own spin on
evidence and cops are dirty.

Cops are lying. Cops
are planting evidence.

We can't respond to
that. We're gagged.

We're investigating this.

If we're dirty, the case
against him is lost.

[Nicole] He drove up again.
Can you send somebody over?

[Operator] Wait a minute.
What kind of car is he in?

[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.

First of all, he broke
the back door down.

But they can't show us
any evidence of that.

[Rod] Before the speculation
that occurred out there

among the public and experts
that one of them said

that this fight between
whoever the attacker was

and Nicole Brown Simpson
lasted at least 15 minutes.

- 15 minutes is a long time.
- Oh, yeah.

When the public
was thrown astray,

it messed up the timeline
because O.J. Simpson, a suspect

was already at the airport when
this fight is still going on,

alledgely type thing. Well,
let me show you something.

Took two homicide detectives,
put them in white,

used a retracted-bladed knife.

And the instructions were,
we want you two to fight.

And we want you to fight
as long as you can fight.

So I want to show you something
as to how long it takes

for this fight to occur
simulating the attack

and the information,
the evidence that we had

from the Simpson crime scene.

When that video starts
running, we'll say go.

We'll put, put it on this.
It'll all be videoed.

And here's your knife.

So watch this.

The cameras are going.

Okay, Ron Goldman walks in.

Here he comes.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.

He's stepping in the blood.

There you see the
projected stains.

Okay. How long did that take?

Stop time.

Okay, don't step in anything.
Just stay there right now.

Now you know how
much time that was?

12 seconds.

- How many times is he stabbed?
- 30 times.

How long did that take?

- 12 seconds.
- 12 seconds.

That's a long time.

Look how much blood is on the
person that gets attacked.

And this would be Ron Goldman.

Look how little gets on to
this person and where it was,

was around the
socks and the shoes.

I still have that clothing.

Took it as evidence to present
in the trial to show how little

blood gets on the attacker
because it forces away from

and here you have all the
blood that's down here.

This is not something
where we're just gonna

play around here.
No, they fought.

It was almost identical
to what my findings were.

Goldman went down.

The person playing Goldman
went down by the force from

the person that's stabbing him.

And his feet go up.
And he goes down.

And they're moving
around in the blood.

Smearing the blood exactly
like it was at the scene

for 30 stab wounds, incised
wounds in this fight.

There's another transfer
pattern here on the north wall,

which at its highest point is.

We were very happy that we
found this amount of blood

one foot, four and three
quarters of an inch high.

[Tom] That kind of takes me
back to 3:00 AM on June 12th.

All this blood and
everything else.

Someone who gets stabbed this
many times, this viciously...

[Rod] This is personal, hate.

[Tom] Because we're
assuming if it's hate,

the suspect has to
know the victim.

[Rod] You've done the deed.

You've killed the people
that you went there to kill.

And then somebody was
wrong place, wrong time.

As soon as they got there,

I felt that, that's
what happened here.

This wasn't sex.

This wasn't theft. This
was revenge, mad, hate.

Notice that these projected
stains, they go out to the side,

those that didn't hit the
pavement hit the socks.

[Tom] The average person
would think there should be

a whole lot of blood
on him and there's not.

[Rod] But the victims have
a lot of blood on them.

Ron Goldman's covered in blood.

Nicole Brown Simpson
is covered in blood.

But the person that you
suspected, O.J. Simpson,

where did it have his blood?

On the back of the
legs, around the feet,

on the socks.

[Tom] Sure. One or two
of the jurors alluded to,

they said that Simpson, if he
was the killer would've been

covered in blood.

If they were shown this video,

they might have a
different opinion.

How can you question
any of this?

And the blood would
be on the gloves.

There you go. This doesn't lie.

And there were a lot
of people observing it.

This is the grab mark.

[Tom] Yeah. And the Simpson
jury never got an explanation

for anything.

You know? You're right.

This here, in seconds,
in 12 seconds,

is an explanation that could
take some people a month.

And you did it in 12 seconds.

Why in the hell
I never saw this?

I don't know the answer to that.

The answer's simple. Put
it in the damn evidence.

The first ballot was
10 to 2, actually.

And there were two holdouts that
said, we think he was guilty.

It didn't take but an hour and a
half for the rest of the jurors

to talk these two
into rolling over.

Juror number six just
flat out came and said,

I don't believe any of
the police witnesses

other than her door? Was it to

without any further explanation.

They need evidence to
show, so they're like,

the glove has his
print on it, whatever.

And see the grab mark?
Look at the grab mark.

That's a grab mark.

Two of those were on the
back of Goldman's shirt.

All they need is one person
in that jury box to roll over

and say, hey, I don't
think he did it.

There is so much
evidence in this case.

[Rod] This wasn't staged.

I mean, we just
told them to fight.

[Tom] It's rage.

[Rod] Rage, fear,
revenge, theft or sex.

It all fits. It all fits.

Everybody says today, they say,
he'd have been covered in blood.

Yeah, look at the
projected stain.

Look at the projected stains.

[Tom] If I was in the
jury looking at this,

I can say, well, maybe he
wouldn't be covered in blood.

You know?

That would be my
responsibility to explain that.

Of course, we never saw it.

We never saw it.

Nine months of this
and you take four hours

to come to a decision,
two of those being lunch.

I don't care whether he
was guilty or not guilty,

that means you
didn't ask questions.

You didn't ask for inquiries
in this, that or the other.

Were they napping? I don't know.

[Reporter] Juror number
one shocked the court

by handing over the verdict.

[Tom] Look at the evidence.

A supposition is not evidence.
Evidence is evidence.

Come back this soon, they
have found him guilty.

And no one can tell me they
looked at this evidence

with any amount of
curiosity, period.

Some fancy lawyer throws a bunch
of nine dollar words at you.

And you're like, boy,
he sounds really good.

He can't be lying or
whatever else. He's lying.

How could anyone say
that he didn't do it?

There's absolutely no doubt
in my mind that O.J. Simpson

killed Nicole and
Ron. There's no doubt.

[Woman] Not guilty of
the crime of murder.

[cheering]

[Woman] It made me very sad.

I felt very sad for the families
watching their reactions.

If we go back in
history 100 years,

I've never seen
anything like this.

I don't care what people think.

But if you really care and
you wanna know what happened,

dig a little deeper
and see what happened.

Do your own edition.

[Mark] I would like you
to listen carefully.

If you don't understand
anything, tell me, okay?

Mr. Simpson, you have the
right to remain silent.

If you give up the
right to remain silent,

anything you say can and
will be used against you

in a court of law.