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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,800 (birds chirping) 2 00:00:16,930 --> 00:00:19,140 Member 1: Here come some more guests, ready for the shoot. 3 00:00:19,220 --> 00:00:21,470 It's a jitney full of people. 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,560 Aha! 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,810 (laughter, soft chatter) 6 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:29,570 - Hello! - member 2: Welcome to the shoot! 7 00:00:30,150 --> 00:00:31,230 Member 3: Bang, bang, bang. 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,490 - Member 1: Let me help you out. - (gunshot) 9 00:00:33,570 --> 00:00:36,110 - (gunshot) - Chuck Dederich: There you go! 10 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:39,160 (overlapping chatter, laughter) 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,410 - Bang bang bang bang bang bang. - Chuck: Alright. 12 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:45,710 This is the way you walk around here with a gun. 13 00:00:46,830 --> 00:00:49,090 Always, like this. 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,840 (gunshots) 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,590 (tense music playing) 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,510 (clicking) 17 00:00:58,550 --> 00:01:01,310 Member 1: There's no reason ever to shoot a handgun for anything. 18 00:01:01,350 --> 00:01:02,720 Chuck: No, except to kill people. 19 00:01:02,810 --> 00:01:05,520 - Member 2: Oh, come on. - Pistols have one purpose. 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,810 That is to kill people. There's no other reason. 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,520 (gunshot) 22 00:01:11,650 --> 00:01:12,690 (gunshot) 23 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:13,990 (gunshot) 24 00:01:14,530 --> 00:01:17,610 We take careful aim, and we fire! 25 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:21,160 (gunshots) 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,200 - (projector whirring) - (dark tone playing) 27 00:01:24,250 --> 00:01:26,870 (projector whirring down) 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,170 (echoing click) 29 00:01:29,130 --> 00:01:33,130 (highway noise) 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,770 (bus rumbling) 31 00:01:47,770 --> 00:01:50,400 (quiet office chatter) 32 00:01:52,110 --> 00:01:54,940 Narda Zacchino: You know, the whole thing about investigative reporting, 33 00:01:55,030 --> 00:01:56,190 I think, is just to reveal the truth. 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,570 That's very simple. Revealing the truth. 35 00:01:59,570 --> 00:02:01,870 That's my favorite kind of journalism. 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,160 In 1977, 37 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:08,160 I was a really young reporter at the "LA Times." 38 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:12,960 One day, an attorney named Paul Morantz called me. 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,050 He said, "I have a really good story for you guys. 40 00:02:16,090 --> 00:02:18,090 "It's about a woman. 41 00:02:18,130 --> 00:02:20,220 "Her name is Frances Winn, 42 00:02:20,260 --> 00:02:22,100 "and she was, um, 43 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:24,140 she was having sort of a nervous breakdown." 44 00:02:24,220 --> 00:02:28,310 - (seagulls cawing) - (mysterious music playing) 45 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,110 She was walking on the beach 46 00:02:32,190 --> 00:02:34,770 in front of the Synanon headquarters 47 00:02:34,820 --> 00:02:36,280 in Santa Monica, 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,280 and, uh, she ran into somebody from Synanon 49 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,820 who talked her into going into the building, 50 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:45,290 the Casa del Mar. 51 00:02:45,330 --> 00:02:48,160 And, uh, they didn't wanna let her out. 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,130 So, they convinced her 53 00:02:52,210 --> 00:02:55,300 that her husband didn't love her anymore. 54 00:02:55,340 --> 00:02:57,460 She became very upset. 55 00:02:57,550 --> 00:03:00,260 She believed them. They then put her on a bus, 56 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:02,640 and they shipped her up to Northern California, 57 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,350 where they had another facility. 58 00:03:05,430 --> 00:03:07,680 (soft somber music playing) 59 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:10,190 (breeze blowing) 60 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:12,100 Paul Morantz: I, uh, had a client 61 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:14,520 who said that his wife was in Synanon, 62 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:16,730 and that the organization was refusing 63 00:03:16,820 --> 00:03:20,650 to allow him to see or speak to her or take her out. 64 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:24,280 We got her out at approximately 9 or 10 days later, 65 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,950 and, uh, we filed a lawsuit. 66 00:03:26,990 --> 00:03:28,910 And, of course, then the question was 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,620 how and why did all this happen? 68 00:03:32,620 --> 00:03:36,460 Paul and the husband charged that Synanon kidnapped her. 69 00:03:38,170 --> 00:03:39,880 All of this was revealed in an article 70 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,680 I wrote in the "LA Times." 71 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:47,600 When the thing with Frances Winn was happening, 72 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,310 there was a lot of other stuff going on. 73 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:51,390 There was, um, you know, 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,520 the Moonies were in the news. 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,770 Scientology was in the news. 76 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:58,530 The Manson chicks had shown up at court 77 00:03:58,610 --> 00:04:00,860 for Manson with their shaved heads. 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,660 I didn't feel like a Manson, but I felt like 79 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:07,120 the community at large was gonna view us that way. 80 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,370 ♪♪ 81 00:04:09,450 --> 00:04:11,160 Paul: You know, what is a cult? 82 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,580 Quite often there's one leader, 83 00:04:12,660 --> 00:04:15,380 one charismatic man that sets the policies, 84 00:04:15,460 --> 00:04:17,920 sets that ideology, and everyone follows. 85 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,960 The one thing that I've become concerned about is that 86 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:23,430 when you follow the evolution of many of these groups, 87 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:25,390 that while they may start off benign, 88 00:04:25,470 --> 00:04:27,720 they quite often end up malignant. 89 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,930 (indistinct yelling) 90 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Lance Kenton: Paul Morantz is a litigious, 91 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,390 ambulance-chasing lawyer 92 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,350 who's never been to Synanon. 93 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,020 He doesn't know anything about it. 94 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:39,940 And, um, you know, he was a proponent 95 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:43,740 of just negative thought after thought after thought. 96 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,410 Ron Cook: Morantz's case, the husband 97 00:04:46,450 --> 00:04:48,580 who wanted his wife back and claimed 98 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:51,290 that we kidnapped her and brainwashed her. 99 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:54,120 What did we want her for? 100 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:56,580 That lady came in, saying, 101 00:04:56,620 --> 00:05:00,130 "My husband's beating me, I need help." 102 00:05:00,210 --> 00:05:02,590 We did what decent people would do. 103 00:05:02,630 --> 00:05:05,800 We took her in off the street, 104 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,930 sent her to Tomales Bay. 105 00:05:09,930 --> 00:05:10,890 Yeah, she shaved her head. 106 00:05:10,930 --> 00:05:13,430 Everybody had shaved their head at the time. 107 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,230 But nothing bad happened to her. 108 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:18,650 She wasn't restrained. 109 00:05:18,730 --> 00:05:21,440 She could've left any day she wanted to. 110 00:05:23,780 --> 00:05:26,700 Narda: After I wrote the story about Frances Winn, 111 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:29,660 I started getting calls from people, and so did Paul. 112 00:05:29,740 --> 00:05:32,580 People who had been in Synanon couldn't get out. 113 00:05:32,620 --> 00:05:35,790 Families had been broken up and separated. 114 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:38,790 We realized this was a much bigger story. 115 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:44,170 Newscaster: On March 3rd, the Marin County grand jury 116 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:46,470 released a report criticizing Synanon 117 00:05:46,510 --> 00:05:50,350 for actions that have left people worried and uneasy. 118 00:05:51,970 --> 00:05:54,430 The grand jury referred to the number of reports 119 00:05:54,470 --> 00:05:57,730 it had received about child abuse inside Synanon. 120 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,610 Narda: Finally, there was a grand jury 121 00:06:00,650 --> 00:06:02,610 that was called in Marin, 122 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:05,990 which did a study of, basically, of child abuse. 123 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:10,450 They had testimony from kids themselves. 124 00:06:11,570 --> 00:06:13,990 It shocked people into realizing 125 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,000 that this wasn't a utopia. 126 00:06:17,410 --> 00:06:19,420 Newscaster: Julie Moncharsh, 16, 127 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:21,840 who ran away from Synanon two years ago, 128 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,300 says she was punched and beaten 129 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:25,880 and saw many others beaten. 130 00:06:26,340 --> 00:06:28,300 One boy was physically beaten 131 00:06:28,340 --> 00:06:31,680 because he did not do the 20 push-ups which he was assigned. 132 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,970 He was hit in the head and then socked in the stomach. 133 00:06:34,010 --> 00:06:35,520 (panting) 134 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Newscaster: Synanon says the allegations about child abuse are lies. 135 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:39,940 (children chanting) 136 00:06:40,020 --> 00:06:43,360 It also denies that children are being held prisoner. 137 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,150 (drill instructor yells) 138 00:06:47,030 --> 00:06:50,200 Judi Ehrlich: I think at that point things really started to become 139 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,700 stranger and stranger, 140 00:06:52,780 --> 00:06:54,330 and Chuck became very defensive 141 00:06:54,370 --> 00:06:57,000 and, you know, felt like a lot of people 142 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,830 were targeting Synanon and were gonna come after us. 143 00:07:00,870 --> 00:07:04,880 The threatening telephone calls are incredible! 144 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,550 I can't brush this off! I just can't! 145 00:07:08,590 --> 00:07:12,800 Threatening notes, filthy mail, and-and-and so on! 146 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:15,510 Rod Mullen: Chuck had a table 147 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,470 down at the Home Place with a microphone, 148 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,600 and he would rage on about the enemies. 149 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:22,520 (curious music playing) 150 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,900 "Enemies of Synanon were determined to bring us down, 151 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:27,280 and we have to protect ourselves," 152 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,030 and, you know, "We're under attack." 153 00:07:29,570 --> 00:07:32,070 Talking people into that posture. 154 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:02,810 - (Chuck laughs) - (indistinct) 155 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,690 - (car rumbling) - (crow squawking) 156 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:12,070 The controversial drug rehabilitation center 157 00:08:12,110 --> 00:08:13,450 is arming itself 158 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:17,280 with $63,000 worth of guns and ammunition 159 00:08:17,370 --> 00:08:20,290 for a 150-person security force. 160 00:08:20,330 --> 00:08:22,210 ♪♪ 161 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Federal and state authorities say the arms purchase 162 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,000 is not illegal, 163 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:28,880 but authorities do wanna make sure 164 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,800 that Synanon is operating within the law. 165 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,470 (crow squawking) 166 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:36,930 Bob Navarro: The weapons purchase was meant as a warning. 167 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,270 Because it was publicized. We didn't do this in secret. 168 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:43,390 We publicized it. 169 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,860 The whole idea was to tell people, "Hey, we're serious. 170 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,860 Leave us alone." 171 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:51,990 You know, I'm not a violent person. 172 00:08:52,030 --> 00:08:54,450 I could never think about killing anybody. 173 00:08:54,490 --> 00:08:56,320 I can't think about hitting people. 174 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,240 That's alien to me. 175 00:09:00,410 --> 00:09:02,500 But what's not alien is when you have 176 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:04,750 these legal cases coming, one after another, 177 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:08,210 and all of these newspapers, the television... 178 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:09,500 Officials plan to meet next week. 179 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:12,260 ...it feels like you're in a war. 180 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:14,300 (indistinct chatter) 181 00:09:14,340 --> 00:09:16,720 (gunshots) 182 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,850 - Chuck: I'll load it, Frank. - Frank: You wanna load it? Alright, that's fine. 183 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:23,560 See, it's supposed to stop in that position. 184 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,350 (laughing) 185 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,060 ♪♪ 186 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:28,770 Rod: Here's a nonprofit organization 187 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:31,480 that's supposed to be helping people 188 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,610 arming itself. 189 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:37,530 Everybody outside of Synanon knew we were crazy. 190 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:39,450 (birds chirping) 191 00:09:39,530 --> 00:09:42,120 But, most of the people in Synanon 192 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,910 opened wide and swallowed. 193 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,040 (gunshot) 194 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:46,960 (gunshot) 195 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,540 There were all these things that, "We're under attack, 196 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:53,130 "so everybody, you know, sleep with your clothes 197 00:09:53,210 --> 00:09:55,840 "right beside your bed, so you can jump into your clothes 198 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,220 and immediately respond to the attack that's coming." 199 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:00,140 (gunshot) 200 00:10:00,180 --> 00:10:02,220 And people did it! I did it! 201 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:06,230 Uh... uh... you know... 202 00:10:06,310 --> 00:10:09,230 (sighs) It was insane. 203 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:14,030 Bob: All of this is happening. 204 00:10:14,070 --> 00:10:16,490 There's investigations in Synanon 205 00:10:16,530 --> 00:10:18,950 from the attorney general here in California 206 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:21,870 over the child abuse incidents. 207 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:23,950 Um, and... 208 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,330 they take off. 209 00:10:25,410 --> 00:10:28,000 Chuck, members of the board, 210 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,790 Chuck's daughter, Jady, and they go on a trip. 211 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,090 - (wind humming) - ("Formia" playing) 212 00:10:37,130 --> 00:10:40,300 ♪ I've heard all the stories ♪ 213 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:42,140 ♪ Of all of the glory ♪ 214 00:10:42,220 --> 00:10:43,680 ♪ Across the sea ♪ 215 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,270 And then, they finally ended up in 216 00:10:46,310 --> 00:10:49,390 this little coast town in Italy called Formia. 217 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,850 (singing continues) 218 00:10:50,940 --> 00:10:52,810 And they settled there for, I don't know how long. 219 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:55,110 It was a couple of months or something like that. 220 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:58,950 ♪ There's something happening there ♪ 221 00:10:59,780 --> 00:11:01,950 ♪ Formia ♪ 222 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:05,120 - ♪ For you-a, for us all ♪ - (seagulls cawing) 223 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,290 - (song ends) - (gentle splashing) 224 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:09,960 Rod: Chuck and the leadership 225 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,290 were in Formia and running Synanon 226 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,380 in exile, so to speak, 227 00:11:15,420 --> 00:11:18,170 and, uh, and Chuck started drinking. 228 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:20,340 (ice rattling in glass) 229 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:25,310 It didn't take him long before he was right back 230 00:11:25,390 --> 00:11:28,480 probably where he had been 30 or 40 years before. 231 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,350 (crowd chatter) 232 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,230 He was done. He was done being sober. 233 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:40,320 He had totally relapsed. 234 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,320 Somewhere after that, 235 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,820 I had a drink because that's what I was told to do, 236 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:46,790 you know, and that's what was happening. 237 00:11:46,830 --> 00:11:49,370 That's what we did. 238 00:11:51,330 --> 00:11:53,670 People who were close to me that were on the board, 239 00:11:53,710 --> 00:11:55,250 that were alcoholics, 240 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:58,800 I guess they wanted to drink. I don't know. 241 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,300 I guess we all did 242 00:12:00,340 --> 00:12:04,010 because we weren't willing to say, well, what are we doing? 243 00:12:04,050 --> 00:12:05,800 We don't drink. We're not drinking. 244 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:10,770 But we couldn't. 245 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:14,150 Formia was a very intense period of time. 246 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:17,650 I felt very bad for Chuck 247 00:12:17,690 --> 00:12:19,360 'cause I adored him. 248 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:22,070 I mean, he felt like a father to me, 249 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:23,700 and it was awful to see your father 250 00:12:23,780 --> 00:12:26,030 in that kind of state of mind. 251 00:12:26,070 --> 00:12:27,120 ♪♪ 252 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,660 He would, uh, drink all the time, 253 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:32,960 and, uh, sometimes end up in a stupor. 254 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:38,340 It's unclear when he actually started drinking. 255 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:40,840 (somber music playing) 256 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,090 I think one of our friends was bringing him vodka, 257 00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:47,890 you know, secretly, way before 258 00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:50,970 anybody knew that he was drinking. 259 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:55,900 Ron: I later learned that he started just before Betty died, 260 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:58,230 when she was sick, and nobody knew it. 261 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:05,990 So, the essence of Synanon, speak your truth, 262 00:13:06,070 --> 00:13:08,410 the openness, and all that stuff. 263 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker: Nothing. (laughs) 264 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:30,350 Speaker: Yeah. 265 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:34,270 Speaker: Yeah. 266 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:42,820 Speaker: Yeah. 267 00:13:55,330 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker: Right. 268 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,260 - (birds chirping) - (leaves rustling) 269 00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:08,130 Ron: When we came back from Italy, 270 00:14:08,220 --> 00:14:11,300 everybody was trying to figure out what to do with him. 271 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,560 The board was set up in order to protect the foundation 272 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,400 from any kind of incursions, 273 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,150 but, mostly, it was dominated by Chuck and his family. 274 00:14:24,190 --> 00:14:25,650 ♪♪ 275 00:14:26,780 --> 00:14:30,450 Jady Dederich Montgomery: There were no outside board members anymore. 276 00:14:30,910 --> 00:14:33,330 My dad was both the chairman and the CEO. 277 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:36,120 He was not accountable to the board. 278 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,870 If anything, the board was accountable to him. 279 00:14:40,330 --> 00:14:43,000 Ron: Nobody would publicly say 280 00:14:43,090 --> 00:14:46,630 Chuck is in no position to lead this organization. 281 00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:49,800 But, at times, he was not very coherent. 282 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,350 Rod: We tried to convince people, 283 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:55,520 buy him a ranch someplace and get him on it, 284 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,230 give him some people to take care of him, 285 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:59,890 and get him the hell outta here. 286 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:01,770 But no one would listen. 287 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:03,900 (birds chirping) 288 00:15:03,980 --> 00:15:07,400 Elena Broslovsky: Chuck was having his own mental health problems. 289 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:12,870 He was a wounded wildebeest 290 00:15:12,910 --> 00:15:14,580 is the way I've described it, 291 00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:16,910 with people closing in on him 292 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,870 in the community and out of the community. 293 00:15:19,540 --> 00:15:23,920 Things began to deteriorate in every, every aspect. 294 00:15:43,060 --> 00:15:45,440 Rod: Chuck, when he was a drinking guy, 295 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,360 like many serious alcoholics, destroyed his family. 296 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:52,200 He destroyed everything around him. 297 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:56,910 After Italy, when he started drinking again, 298 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:58,410 he just did the same thing. 299 00:15:58,450 --> 00:16:01,370 He just had a much larger family to destroy. 300 00:16:02,830 --> 00:16:04,580 He had lost whatever made him happy, 301 00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:08,960 and, by God, you were gonna lose everything that made you happy. 302 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:11,680 I remember him saying on the Wire, 303 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,760 "I'm gonna ruin the place, 304 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,930 "and I'ma ruin all of you with it. 305 00:16:15,390 --> 00:16:18,180 So strap yourself to the mast." 306 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:20,680 I mean, it was intentional. 307 00:16:20,770 --> 00:16:24,440 (ominous music playing) 308 00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:38,030 After Paul Morantz got Frances Winn out of Synanon, 309 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,750 Paul and the Winns sued Synanon. 310 00:16:41,540 --> 00:16:43,330 Connie Chung: A judge today ordered Synanon, 311 00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:45,580 the alcohol and drug rehabilitation center, 312 00:16:45,630 --> 00:16:50,300 to pay Frances and Edward Winn of Los Angeles $300,000. 313 00:16:50,340 --> 00:16:52,970 Frances Winn claims she was brainwashed, tortured, 314 00:16:53,010 --> 00:16:55,640 and held against her will by Synanon. 315 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,390 Phil Bourdette: I mean, I know that Chuck was not happy. 316 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,060 He was ranting about Paul Morantz 317 00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:07,770 and that something should be done. 318 00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:20,740 (whirring) 319 00:17:29,420 --> 00:17:31,800 ♪♪ 320 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,590 I, at this time, received, uh, 321 00:17:34,670 --> 00:17:36,800 regularly, for about the past two weeks, 322 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,850 phone calls with hangups, sometimes three, four in a row. 323 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:42,180 Quite often, they're at midnight. 324 00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:45,560 There are Synanon people who have gone to my friends, 325 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,060 members of my family, 326 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:51,570 going to restaurants that I, uh, that I go to. 327 00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:54,990 Newscaster: Jack Hurst was a member of Synanon for 17 years. 328 00:17:55,030 --> 00:17:57,320 This is what he told NBC's Rick Davis. 329 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,530 We have proof positive that for the last five weeks, 330 00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:03,870 over the Synanon Wire, that the loudspeaker system, 331 00:18:03,910 --> 00:18:05,790 uh, Paul Morantz's name, his address, 332 00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:08,790 his telephone number has been announced over the Wire, 333 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,050 and the pleading was, why doesn't somebody go out there 334 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:14,550 and teach Paul Morantz a lesson? 335 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,810 Narda: Paul went to the Los Angeles Police Department 336 00:18:22,890 --> 00:18:25,100 and the attorney general's office 337 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:27,560 to report the threats against him. 338 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,020 The California attorney general interviewed him 339 00:18:31,060 --> 00:18:32,980 on October 10th of 1978. 340 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:35,900 He left that interview. 341 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:38,740 (TV chatter) 342 00:18:38,820 --> 00:18:41,030 He goes home. 343 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:42,990 He goes and gets a drink, 344 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,200 puts on the first game 345 00:18:45,250 --> 00:18:48,420 of the Yankees-Dodgers World Series, 346 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:51,580 and then, he decides to get his mail. 347 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,420 It was one of these mailboxes that has an opening 348 00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:57,420 in the outside of your house, 349 00:18:57,510 --> 00:19:00,220 and you get the mail from inside your house. 350 00:19:01,050 --> 00:19:03,930 So, he opened up the mailbox, 351 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:05,680 and he saw something in there, 352 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:07,100 but it was dark 353 00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:09,230 and he couldn't really see what it was. 354 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:11,100 And he put his hand in. 355 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:14,400 (tense music building) 356 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:20,660 And a rattlesnake bit him. 357 00:19:20,740 --> 00:19:22,030 (siren wailing) 358 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:24,450 Newscaster 1: Details of the story now of the attempted murder 359 00:19:24,490 --> 00:19:26,410 of attorney Paul Morantz. 360 00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:29,160 Newscaster 2: Neighbors say they saw two men put something in the mailbox 361 00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:31,620 at the home of Paul Morantz. 362 00:19:31,710 --> 00:19:35,170 When Morantz reached inside, he was bitten by a rattlesnake. 363 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,470 The snake was a little over four feet long. 364 00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:40,470 The rattles had been removed, apparently, 365 00:19:40,510 --> 00:19:41,800 so there would be no warning. 366 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,890 (camera shutters snapping) 367 00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:46,720 Narda: Paul ran out the door, yelling for help. 368 00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:49,770 He's on the lawn. He's screaming in pain. 369 00:19:49,810 --> 00:19:52,900 He said, "Synanon got me. Tell them Synanon got me." 370 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:54,810 And then he said, 371 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:57,400 "Somebody call Narda Zacchino at the 'LA Times' 372 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,990 and tell her she's next." 373 00:19:59,070 --> 00:20:00,820 (siren wailing) 374 00:20:00,860 --> 00:20:02,320 I raced to the hospital. 375 00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:04,700 I thought Paul was gonna die. 376 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:08,080 I went up to this nurse, and I said, 377 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,460 "I need to see Paul. Paul Morantz." 378 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,540 And she said, "Are you next of kin?" 379 00:20:12,620 --> 00:20:16,500 And I lied. Immediately I said, "Yes, I'm his sister." 380 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,510 (beeping) 381 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:21,760 So, I walked in, and his whole arm 382 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,050 was wrapped in this huge bandage. 383 00:20:25,470 --> 00:20:27,640 Paul had this big grin on his face, 384 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,220 and I bent down and kissed him on the cheek, 385 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:30,770 like his sister would do, 386 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:33,100 and he said, "I knew you'd get in here." 387 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:34,190 (laughs) 388 00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:36,480 (somber music playing) 389 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,360 They had the anti-venom there at that hospital, 390 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,690 which is what saved his life. 391 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,320 - (shutters snapping) - (indistinct chatter) 392 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:49,330 Newscaster: Paul Morantz is recovering 393 00:20:49,370 --> 00:20:50,660 from the bite of the rattlesnake 394 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:53,330 that someone placed in his mailbox. 395 00:20:53,370 --> 00:20:55,670 The lawyer said he had received reports of threats 396 00:20:55,710 --> 00:20:58,040 made against him by the Synanon organization. 397 00:20:58,130 --> 00:21:00,460 Though Morantz did not name Synanon 398 00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:03,470 as being responsible for the attempt on his life, 399 00:21:03,550 --> 00:21:05,890 he did say they had a motive. 400 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,640 Those people who put the snake in my mailbox 401 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,430 do not think of themselves as criminals, I'm sure, 402 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,730 but believe themselves to be serving a higher purpose. 403 00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:17,150 (shutters snapping) 404 00:21:17,230 --> 00:21:20,400 Newscaster: Morantz is recovering from the rattlesnake venom. 405 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,780 Doctors say there will be no lasting effects. 406 00:21:24,860 --> 00:21:28,780 Narda: Before this, Paul had told all of his neighbors 407 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:30,870 that his life was being threatened. 408 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,160 So, luckily, 409 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,710 one neighbor saw a car 410 00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:37,460 and wrote down the license number. 411 00:21:37,540 --> 00:21:39,420 Police quickly traced the car 412 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:41,550 that neighbors saw in front of the Morantz home. 413 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:43,590 It was registered to Synanon, 414 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:46,010 and police are taking into custody 415 00:21:46,090 --> 00:21:48,220 and charging with attempted murder 416 00:21:48,260 --> 00:21:49,430 Lance Kenton, 417 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:52,770 a Synanon member and a son of Stan Kenton. 418 00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:58,940 You know, I got a phone call from my father, 419 00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:01,780 who was watching NBC news. 420 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:03,570 "They're looking for Lance Kenton, 421 00:22:03,610 --> 00:22:06,650 who is at large, armed, and dangerous." 422 00:22:06,740 --> 00:22:09,370 And my father immediately called up there and said, 423 00:22:09,450 --> 00:22:10,580 "What the fuck is going on?" 424 00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:13,450 And he said, "I wouldn't run if I were you." 425 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:16,870 I go, "Run? Where am I gonna go?" 426 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,380 Newscaster: Two men were arrested at the Synanon compound 427 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:20,710 near Badger, California, 428 00:22:20,790 --> 00:22:23,250 and brought to Los Angeles early this morning. 429 00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:26,340 Police believe that Joseph Musico, age 28, 430 00:22:26,420 --> 00:22:28,470 and Lance Kenton, age 20, 431 00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:30,470 were responsible for putting a rattlesnake 432 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:32,970 in the mailbox of lawyer Paul Morantz. 433 00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:36,230 Bob: We saw it on the news. 434 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:37,690 That was the first hint 435 00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:39,980 I had of the rattlesnake attack. 436 00:22:40,060 --> 00:22:42,440 It looked like something 437 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,740 that could be existential for Synanon. 438 00:22:47,030 --> 00:22:49,910 I was wondering, is this gonna bring the whole edifice 439 00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:53,240 crashing down on us, and everybody with it 440 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:55,580 who had nothing to do with this? 441 00:22:57,830 --> 00:23:01,670 Miriam Bourdette: Undoubtedly, a couple of Synanon residents 442 00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:06,590 placed a rattlesnake in Paul Morantz's mailbox. 443 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,180 Joe Musico definitely (laughs) 444 00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:14,560 Was one of them, 445 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,560 and I know that because he told me that. 446 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,600 He told me that before he was arrested 447 00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:24,860 and before everybody arrived on our property. 448 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:27,740 The "Los Angeles Times" reports that a ranch operated by Synanon 449 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:30,360 in a remote area of Tulare County, California, 450 00:23:30,450 --> 00:23:32,620 was raided yesterday by two dozen investigators 451 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:35,330 armed with search warrants. 452 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:36,700 They were looking for all tapes 453 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:40,370 making reference to Los Angeles attorney Paul Morantz. 454 00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:42,540 Miriam: They found some tapes. 455 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:45,340 Disastrous tapes. 456 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,920 Crucial tape recording was played today 457 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:49,630 in a Visalia courtroom. 458 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,090 They were played over and over again 459 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:55,560 for all to hear. 460 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:29,510 I do remember hearing Chuck say these words. 461 00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:33,430 I was the person that recorded them and made a label, 462 00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:36,300 and I did not take that literally. 463 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:37,930 I thought that's his dream language. 464 00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:40,520 This is a man who feels threatened 465 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,810 by people closing in on him. 466 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:47,020 I never for a minute thought that that was real, 467 00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:48,270 but apparently it was. 468 00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:50,740 Chuck (on tape): I wanna crack some bones. 469 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:52,740 Not too many. You don't have to. 470 00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:56,780 Bob: With all of the law enforcement scrutiny 471 00:24:56,870 --> 00:25:01,870 on Synanon over this, Chuck disappeared again. 472 00:25:02,620 --> 00:25:04,420 This time into Arizona, 473 00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:07,500 where we had some properties. 474 00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:13,510 Ron: In Lake Havasu, Arizona, 475 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:15,930 I lived in the apartment building. 476 00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:18,970 Chuck was living in a little house in the back. 477 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:23,230 One day, I got a call. 478 00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:24,350 I put on flip-flops, 479 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,940 and I walked back to the house. 480 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:31,990 There was about... looked like a, uh, 481 00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:34,320 SWAT team of people 482 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,660 with all their rifles pointed at me. 483 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:38,320 (helicopter whirring) 484 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:40,790 Newscaster: Synanon founder Charles "Chuck" Dederich was arrested 485 00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:43,200 and charged with conspiracy to commit murder. 486 00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:45,620 (somber music playing) 487 00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:46,960 Ron: So I went into his house. 488 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,880 He was on an ambulance gurney. 489 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,510 He couldn't walk. He was that bad with alcohol. 490 00:25:52,590 --> 00:25:55,010 (police radio chatter) 491 00:25:55,090 --> 00:25:58,970 And he looked up at me. He says, "Oh. 492 00:25:59,510 --> 00:26:02,140 Everything's fine now. Cook's here." 493 00:26:03,310 --> 00:26:04,930 I felt terrible. 494 00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:08,900 I truly loved the man. 495 00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:10,610 I went over and held his hand 496 00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:12,360 and said, "Everything will be okay." 497 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,650 And he says, "Oh, thank God you're here. I feel better." 498 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,820 (quiet street noise) 499 00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:25,580 Newscaster: Dederich was arraigned in a room 500 00:26:25,660 --> 00:26:27,250 inside this hospital in Kingman, Arizona, 501 00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:30,880 after his doctors said he was too sick to appear in court. 502 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,710 The judge who presided said Dederich seemed unconscious 503 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,090 throughout the proceedings. 504 00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:37,880 His eyes was closed. He was laying flat on his back. 505 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,550 I do not know if he knew what was going on or not. 506 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,640 He does have a mental problem 507 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,480 and I understood that alcohol is also a problem. 508 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,400 Jady: He was later diagnosed with bipolar disorder. 509 00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:55,070 Now, we didn't know that. He didn't know that. 510 00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:59,200 So, he was suffering his whole life 511 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,200 in a way that was not yet really defined or understood. 512 00:27:05,660 --> 00:27:08,290 And he was self-medicating with alcohol. 513 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:13,250 I, I never noticed cycling before, 514 00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:17,760 between the-the depressive part and the manic part, 515 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,510 but that probably was there all along. 516 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:22,680 The restlessness, the needing to move, 517 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,930 the constant need to change things. 518 00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:28,940 Chuck: I am surrounded by people 519 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:30,520 that I'm just nuts about, 520 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,980 and-and-and, and just about all of them, 521 00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:36,440 I-I think, are-are nuts about me. 522 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,950 Rod: Charismatic leaders are inherently unstable. 523 00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:43,280 It's part of their personality. 524 00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:48,500 And whether they're mentally ill or-or not, 525 00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:51,540 they just are unstable people. 526 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:53,540 (applause, cheering) 527 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:56,840 These kinds of leaders always crash. 528 00:27:58,590 --> 00:28:01,300 They're good for a while, 529 00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:03,350 20 years or so, 530 00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:04,800 and then they all crash. 531 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,810 Jady: As we sit here today, 532 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:13,690 my father, who is a 65-year-old man 533 00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:16,320 who has dedicated his life 534 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,070 for the last 20 years 535 00:28:19,150 --> 00:28:21,320 to saving people 536 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,240 that no one wanted to have anything to do with, 537 00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:27,910 is dying in a jail cell 538 00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:31,160 in the Kingman County Hospital in Arizona! 539 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:33,290 (muffled chatter) 540 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:35,040 Rod: With the rattlesnake in the mailbox, 541 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:37,250 Synanon wanted to make sure 542 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:42,180 that Lance and Joe got all of the heat 543 00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:45,930 and nobody above them who directed them got any heat. 544 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,890 Lance was such a promising young man. 545 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:52,890 He was very kind. 546 00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:55,810 He was very enthusiastic and funny. 547 00:28:58,940 --> 00:29:01,950 Lance: At one point, before the trial, 548 00:29:02,030 --> 00:29:04,820 I was requested to go see Phil Bourdette. 549 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:06,780 And Phil said, "Lance, sit down." 550 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,910 He had a whole set of documents in front of me. 551 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:10,370 Said, "I want you to sign these." 552 00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:11,580 Said, "What are they?" 553 00:29:11,660 --> 00:29:13,870 And he said, "Basically, it's a declaration that Chuck 554 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,710 never inspired you or told you to do anything." 555 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:21,670 And I said, um, "Why am I signing this now?" 556 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,550 He goes, "We just want it. We want it in the file. 557 00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:25,050 "We want you to sign this. 558 00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:26,930 You can sign it, Lance." I'm like, "No. 559 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:28,430 I'm not gonna sign it." 560 00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:32,980 I never trusted Phil Bourdette again after that. 561 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,690 Well, I-I did not talk... 562 00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:41,400 Lance Kenton and, um, Joe Musico 563 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,450 were the other two people charged in the criminal case, 564 00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:47,570 and they had their own lawyers. 565 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:49,200 I never talked to them. 566 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,160 I-I don't know 567 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,210 how that... how they got involved 568 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:56,460 in putting the rattlesnake in the mailbox. 569 00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:58,750 I was wounded. No, I was wounded. 570 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,170 I felt really assaulted. 571 00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:04,970 And then, when my father died, 572 00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:07,300 he left me a little insurance money. 573 00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:09,430 It was like $25,000 life insurance. 574 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,180 Ron Cook, he said to me, "Now, Lance." He goes, "Normally, 575 00:30:13,270 --> 00:30:15,270 "when people inherit money in Synanon, 576 00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:17,900 "they donate most of it to Synanon, 577 00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:20,320 "and they keep a little bit to play with, you know. 578 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,780 "So why don't you put 20,000 into Synanon, 579 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:24,440 "and keep 5,000 and play with the stocks 580 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,660 or whatever of your own?" And I turned to him. 581 00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:29,620 I said, "Are you out of your fucking mind?" 582 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,450 I said, "I'm under criminal indictment in Los Angeles, 583 00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:35,460 "and any minute, I'm gonna have to defend myself at my own cost. 584 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,830 "And you want me to take every penny I own and give it to you? 585 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,290 You're outta your fucking mind!" 586 00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:43,130 And I left and didn't talk to him ever again. 587 00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:46,630 I felt like all of these people, in which I was trying my best 588 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,640 to protect, um, my whole life, 589 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,930 in being there, 590 00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:53,810 that they were willing to turn on me on a dime 591 00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:56,140 and throw me out as bait. You know? 592 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:59,650 Cast me aside to protect Chuck. 593 00:31:00,190 --> 00:31:02,690 But, um, I don't believe Chuck had 594 00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:05,320 that kind of deviousness 595 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,160 to directly ask me to sacrifice myself. 596 00:31:10,030 --> 00:31:12,830 I think these people were acting on his behalf, 597 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:14,290 but it wasn't under his direction, 598 00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:16,290 and I don't think he would've done it. 599 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,370 He was a very moral man, you know? 600 00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:30,090 Basically, one day, the DA came in and said, 601 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:32,010 "Man, we're sick of this fucking case." 602 00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:36,180 And, uh, my lawyer, he said, "Well, then drop charges." 603 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,230 The DA said, "Tell you what. 604 00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:41,100 "If your clients will plead no contest, 605 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:43,060 we'll let 'em go with time served." 606 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,480 And so I said, "So what does Chuck wanna do?" 607 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:49,200 And he said, "Chuck says he'll do anything 608 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,950 as long as he doesn't have to go back to court." 609 00:31:51,030 --> 00:31:53,030 I said, "Well, tell 'em I'll plead." 610 00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:57,700 At that age, he was failing anyway, 611 00:31:57,790 --> 00:32:00,420 and, you know, to have to get up every day and go to court, 612 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,500 and then, of course, sit there with Morantz, who he despised. 613 00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:07,010 He deserved not to have to go through that, you know. 614 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,390 And so we go to court, 615 00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:14,390 and I remember my lawyers in chambers 616 00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:15,890 having a conversation with the judge. 617 00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:17,600 And when he comes back, 618 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,480 he won't look me in the eye. 619 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,060 And I thought, 620 00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:23,690 oh, man, this is not good. 621 00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:26,780 (tense music playing) 622 00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:30,740 Newscaster: 22-year-old Lance Kenton and 30-year-old Joseph Musico 623 00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:32,280 pleaded no contest to charges 624 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,990 of conspiracy to commit murder. 625 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:36,080 Judge William Hogoboom 626 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,700 sentenced both Kenton and Musico 627 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:40,790 to three years' probation, the first year to be spent 628 00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:42,420 in the LA County Jail. 629 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,380 ♪♪ 630 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:47,800 Lance: Apparently, the judge was very conscious of his role 631 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,170 in a high-publicity case, 632 00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:50,760 and he thought there would be a public outcry 633 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,390 if we got off without serving time. 634 00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:56,430 Newscaster: Hogoboom argued that while he was not convinced 635 00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:58,720 the two meant to kill, he was convinced 636 00:32:58,770 --> 00:33:00,770 they meant to do serious violence. 637 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:03,190 Paul Morantz, the man bitten by the rattlesnake, 638 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:04,730 reacted favorably to the sentence, 639 00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:06,400 if not the reasoning. 640 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,940 There's speculation as to what one was intending, 641 00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:11,780 however, uh, 642 00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:15,120 the rattles were removed. Why remove the rattles 643 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,490 if it was only to scare me or intimidate me? 644 00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:19,950 - (shutters snapping) - (overlapping chatter) 645 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,960 - Don't push. - Get to the car, please. 646 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,330 Get your hands off me. 647 00:33:23,420 --> 00:33:25,170 Tom Brokaw: Charles Dederich, 648 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:27,290 the man who founded and led Synanon, 649 00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:30,170 today was sentenced to five years' probation for his part 650 00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:33,630 in a plot to kill a lawyer with a rattlesnake. 651 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,970 (chatter continues) 652 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:36,640 In sentencing Dederich to probation, 653 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,970 the judge praised his early Synanon work. 654 00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:41,600 He then concluded that he was sorry 655 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,480 the program had degenerated. 656 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,480 (shutters snapping) 657 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,270 Very good, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you very much. 658 00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:51,150 (chatter gradually fades out) 659 00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:54,570 I went straight from Synanon to prison. 660 00:33:54,650 --> 00:33:57,660 ♪♪ 661 00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:02,080 I left everyone who as a kid I grew up with 662 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,660 since the fifth grade. 663 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,000 You know, to live in a loving, 664 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,840 genuinely friendly family environment 665 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,590 and to go from that, in 24 hours, 666 00:34:12,670 --> 00:34:16,510 to incarceration and solitary confinement. 667 00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:19,970 In hindsight, yeah, you do things, 668 00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:21,220 I would do things differently. 669 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:22,970 (shutters snapping) 670 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:24,850 I would not have gone to jail. 671 00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:27,400 I would not have allowed 672 00:34:27,850 --> 00:34:30,520 other people to get off scot-free. 673 00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:34,360 (Rory Kennedy speaking) 674 00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:38,200 You know, that's an answer that I've never discussed 675 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,040 with anybody. My involvement and whether or not I did it, 676 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,750 I took responsibility for it. 677 00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:45,500 (shutters snapping) 678 00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:48,710 So it doesn't matter what I say, you know? 679 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,750 It's something that I keep with inside me, 680 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,880 and I don't talk about it, so... 681 00:34:57,380 --> 00:35:00,720 Once Lance and Joe were in jail, 682 00:35:01,550 --> 00:35:05,060 uh, my wife Naya and I left within a week. 683 00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:07,020 If anybody had any doubts 684 00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:10,150 that we had lost contact with reality 685 00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:12,770 and-and lost complete contact 686 00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:14,900 with our original mission, 687 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:16,780 that did it. 688 00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:22,280 And, you know, when people ask me, 689 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,450 "Well, why'd you leave Synanon?" I said, 690 00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:27,120 well, I physically left, but, honestly, 691 00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:28,710 Synanon left me. 692 00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:33,210 I still believed what I believed when I joined. 693 00:35:33,250 --> 00:35:35,420 But Synanon no longer 694 00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:37,720 represented any of those things. 695 00:35:41,590 --> 00:35:44,810 Judi: Chuck did not serve time for the rattlesnake case. 696 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:48,100 He was placed on five-year probation as a result 697 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:50,230 and paid a $5,000 fine. 698 00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:52,480 And during probation, and thereafter, 699 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,780 he was not allowed to ever have any kind of managerial position 700 00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:57,320 in Synanon again. 701 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,530 Chuck was pissed off. 702 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:03,240 ♪♪ 703 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,790 I think he felt somewhat victimized by all of this, 704 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:09,330 but he put Jady in charge. 705 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,790 Jady: I was anointed as chairman 706 00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:15,880 to get my dad out of the line of fire. 707 00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:18,800 I felt like, like my whole being 708 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,800 just kind of went down into the center of the earth. 709 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:28,310 It was playing a role. I was playing a role. 710 00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:31,310 I was the chairman, 711 00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:34,190 but my dad was in control. 712 00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:38,320 You know, when he wasn't inebriated, 713 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,360 and even sometimes when he was, 714 00:36:41,070 --> 00:36:43,320 he was in charge. 715 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:46,620 Chuck: We've got a problem now with that dunce Helen. 716 00:36:46,660 --> 00:36:49,950 Now, she wants to live in one of our guest houses, 717 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,830 you know, and so on... Bullshit! 718 00:36:51,870 --> 00:36:56,090 And, and my kid doesn't know how to handle it 719 00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:58,920 and she's going to come up with a counterproposal. 720 00:36:59,010 --> 00:37:02,680 I don't want any fucking counterproposal! No, no, no! 721 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,300 Member: Jady, why are you mumbling under your breath? 722 00:37:05,350 --> 00:37:07,010 - That is what you said. - That's what you said! 723 00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:09,180 - Member: That's the essence... - That's what you said! 724 00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:11,180 You do that all the time! 725 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:13,940 You can't be definite! You can't say no! 726 00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:16,360 I'm not in the business of entertaining counter... 727 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,360 Bob: By that point, the Game became a sort of 728 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,530 laboratory for... 729 00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:23,780 fucking with people. 730 00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:26,450 - You're dead wrong. - It matters to me! 731 00:37:26,530 --> 00:37:28,580 Bob: He had lights and video cameras, 732 00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:33,080 and that would be broadcast to a big screen in the lodge, 733 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,960 and people would watch it. 734 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:39,210 It was sort of Roman spectacle-like. 735 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:40,880 Hyperbole, distortion... 736 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,550 Marshall Carder: Chuck and the executives would sit 737 00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:46,050 around their table in the other room, 738 00:37:46,090 --> 00:37:48,470 and they would have a box, 739 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,970 and they'd be patching in and directing the Game. 740 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:54,890 - If we ran customer service, okay, Dennis? Uh... - (phone beeps) 741 00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:59,230 Chuck (on speakerphone): Be careful you don't turn this Synanon Game 742 00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:02,030 into a business meeting. 743 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,700 Marshall: But you weren't allowed to talk back to the box. 744 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:07,950 They were making these people fight. 745 00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:11,160 It was just like the ultimate of manipulating the people 746 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,750 through the game. 747 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:14,120 (indistinct yelling) 748 00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:16,790 The Synanon Game was a thing that tied 749 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,420 all of Synanon together. 750 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,420 From the beginning, it was the basic core of Synanon. 751 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,930 Never really talk to people, like, just like people-people. 752 00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:30,720 - Do you see what I mean? Do you understand? - I do. Yeah. 753 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,600 And then, you know, at the end, I hated the Game. 754 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,930 Wait, wait, wait! Let me just say this... 755 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:36,480 Every other part of the whole... 756 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,440 It's in the nature of man to fight... 757 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,730 (overlapping yelling) 758 00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:47,490 - (Game chatter fades out) - (birds chirping) 759 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,620 - (splashing) - (pool chatter) 760 00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:58,790 Bill Goodson: Chuck drinking, I think, I heard, 761 00:38:58,830 --> 00:39:01,210 not so much that Chuck started drinking, 762 00:39:01,290 --> 00:39:04,300 but I heard they started drinking. 763 00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:07,180 (party chatter) 764 00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:09,640 I remember we had a high school reunion, 765 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,140 and we were allowed to return to the property. 766 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,190 And this was at Badger. 767 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:19,440 We had the most incredible time, 768 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,650 but the oddest thing was, in the evenings, 769 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,190 there would be, like, an open bar. 770 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,900 (shrill whistle) 771 00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:30,160 Bar closes in two minutes! 772 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,370 Two minutes! 773 00:39:31,450 --> 00:39:33,330 (bar chatter) 774 00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:35,290 Bill: People started drinking 775 00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:37,790 and getting drunk and messy. 776 00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:42,500 And that was a very, very bizarre moment, 777 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,590 to think that Synanon 778 00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:45,960 had somehow come to this. 779 00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:49,090 We're here at the Badger Home Place Lodge 780 00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:53,930 for the 179th consecutive sellout Saturday night party. 781 00:39:54,010 --> 00:39:56,680 They do love their parties here in Badger. 782 00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:59,270 Bill: That the fundamental pillars 783 00:39:59,350 --> 00:40:01,100 that founded the place, 784 00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:02,980 no drugs, no alcohol, 785 00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:06,280 no physical violence, no threat of physical violence. 786 00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:10,410 Those principles were thrown out the window. 787 00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:14,530 Judi: I had spent so many years 788 00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:17,290 defending and defending and defending and defending 789 00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:19,660 Synanon in the legal department. 790 00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:23,500 I had a lot of resentment within myself. 791 00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:25,340 These were my 20s, and this was time 792 00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:27,550 when I should've been out having fun. 793 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:32,140 I felt like Synanon had run its course. 794 00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:35,010 But I was so undecided. 795 00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:36,390 (somber music playing) 796 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:39,230 Jady came up to me and said, "You're leaving. 797 00:40:39,310 --> 00:40:41,440 "You need to go. Go live your life 798 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,060 and tell me what it's like." 799 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,900 She wanted to live vicariously. 800 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:48,280 I think she just, you know, she had her own thoughts 801 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,240 that she could not verbalize. I mean, Jady was the chairman. 802 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,360 Jady was Jady. 803 00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:54,450 Her commitment to Synanon 804 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:56,240 could not be questioned. 805 00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:59,660 I understand it better now but, you know, at the time, 806 00:40:59,750 --> 00:41:02,540 I remember being sort of flabbergasted. 807 00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:04,210 But I did what she said. 808 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,170 I rented a car, and I drove it down to Los Angeles. 809 00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:12,180 And I, I left. 810 00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:18,100 (birds chirping) 811 00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:21,180 (wind blowing, trees rustling) 812 00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:24,690 (bikes rattling) 813 00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:30,780 During the '80s, AdGap, selling advertising gifts, 814 00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:34,530 was still making millions for Synanon. 815 00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:36,660 Reporter: The business is providing companies 816 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,580 with promotional items bearing their corporate symbols. 817 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,290 Rebekah Crawford: They wanted all hands on deck, 818 00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:44,500 doing sales and making money. 819 00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:46,840 So, they made the decision 820 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,710 that the Synanon school would no longer exist. 821 00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:54,220 I think it was taking up too many man-hours. 822 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,470 They cut loose all of the teachers, 823 00:41:57,510 --> 00:42:01,180 and, for the kids, we were all just, like, 824 00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:02,980 beside ourselves with joy. 825 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,400 ("Just Like Heaven" by The Cure playing) 826 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,400 (student chatter) 827 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,110 ♪♪ 828 00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:18,740 - (cheering) - I was now finally gonna go 829 00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:22,700 to a normal public high school, 830 00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:25,080 the kind I saw in movies. 831 00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:27,210 We dusted off an old bus 832 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:30,500 and 17 of us, you know, loaded up in there 833 00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:32,840 on our first day of normal school. (sighs) 834 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:37,220 ♪ Spinning on that dizzy edge ♪ 835 00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:40,640 ♪ Kissed her face and kissed her head ♪ 836 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,220 Rebekah: It was my sophomore year. 837 00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:44,600 (inaudible) 838 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,900 We didn't have the right clothes, 839 00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:48,810 we didn't have the right hair, you know? 840 00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:51,940 But none of us were shy about participating. 841 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:54,610 We were very good students. 842 00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:57,200 All playing sports. We made friends. 843 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,320 We did really well. 844 00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:03,700 There was a guidance counselor, and she said, 845 00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:05,790 "You have two years left, 846 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:08,710 "and if you take these classes, 847 00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:10,630 then you can go to college." 848 00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:13,550 And that was my ticket out. 849 00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:16,680 ♪ You, lost and lonely, you ♪ 850 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,220 ♪ Just like Heaven ♪ 851 00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,010 (song ends) 852 00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:23,390 But, when you're in high school, 853 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:25,730 what do teenagers do? 854 00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:28,650 They drink and they smoke. 855 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,860 Eventually, there was a group of us 856 00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:34,820 that were going out on Friday nights 857 00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:37,280 and, you know, drinking and smoking 858 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,780 with the kids from the Valley. 859 00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:41,740 (laughter, chatter) 860 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,950 I don't even know what tipped off the adults, 861 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,580 but I drove us home from school, 862 00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:50,670 parked, came back, and it was just like, 863 00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:54,090 okay, something very bad has happened. 864 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,800 We go up to the Game. 865 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,800 They didn't let us sleep. 866 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,800 And then, we were up, I think three or four days. 867 00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:05,220 (hair clippers buzzing) 868 00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:06,930 We got our heads shaved. 869 00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:08,480 And then, we were, you know, 870 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,980 every morning, up at, like, 5:30 871 00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:14,820 to run a couple miles, then eat silent breakfast. 872 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:16,280 (footsteps running) 873 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,610 We left school in the same way we came in. 874 00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:21,570 In the middle of the year, just evaporated. 875 00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:22,820 Never went back. 876 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:26,790 It was... That was really a very tough moment for me 877 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:29,000 just because I was so close. 878 00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:31,500 (sighs) 879 00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:33,590 But no. 880 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:35,880 ♪♪ 881 00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:40,340 Then we went to work in the factory, 882 00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:43,300 just boxing pens for AdGap. 883 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:45,260 I think they really, legitimately thought 884 00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:47,850 that we would just stay in Synanon. 885 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,140 Even as Chuck was unraveling. 886 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,770 (ominous music playing) 887 00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:59,490 Miriam: At this point, Chuck was drinking vodka. 888 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,450 And we're mixing more and more water into it. 889 00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:06,160 (cymbal rolls) 890 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,790 One day, I was sitting by the pool 891 00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:13,250 at the Home Place with Chuck. 892 00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:16,130 I heard him talking, 893 00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:19,670 and he was talking to his brother, who was dead. 894 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,630 (indistinct shouting) 895 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,260 He was having an active conversation. 896 00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:29,470 A hallucination, a delusion, whatever they're called. 897 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,560 - (tense music playing) - (indistinct shouting continues) 898 00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:37,020 The doctors diagnosed him 899 00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:40,280 as being in a psychotic state 900 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,360 of bipolar disorder. 901 00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:48,870 Certainly, the alcohol did not help. 902 00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:52,750 I don't know at what point 903 00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:56,380 you could say it became psychosis. 904 00:45:57,090 --> 00:46:00,210 I think it was hard for all of us 905 00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:04,050 to accept the fact that this man we loved... 906 00:46:04,090 --> 00:46:07,890 I mean, he was my second father figure. 907 00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:10,810 He really was psychotic. 908 00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:15,900 - (insects chirping) - (leaves rustling) 909 00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:20,110 Bob: One night, it was around midnight, 910 00:46:21,610 --> 00:46:23,570 I'd gone to bed 911 00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:26,070 but there was a knocking on the door, 912 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,280 which was kind of unusual. 913 00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:29,240 And somebody was saying, 914 00:46:29,330 --> 00:46:31,410 "Everybody, everybody has to come down. 915 00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:33,160 There's a general meeting." 916 00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:36,210 - (tense music playing) - (insects chirping) 917 00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:37,630 So we went down. 918 00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:39,500 (soft chatter) 919 00:46:39,590 --> 00:46:42,800 Everybody, uh, was nervous. 920 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:48,140 Chuck patched in over the Wire, 921 00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:50,930 and he starts off. 922 00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:53,060 Chuck (on PA): How come I'm the only full-grown man 923 00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,310 in this whole fucking joint?! 924 00:46:55,390 --> 00:46:59,150 Bob: He says, "When I sat down at my desk this evening, 925 00:46:59,230 --> 00:47:02,780 "as I do all the time, and I reached for my glasses, 926 00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:05,950 "which I keep in a certain spot all the time, 927 00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:09,620 "and they're not there. And so, I'm looking around, 928 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:13,450 "and I see that the glasses are on the other side of the desk, 929 00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:14,910 where I never keep them." 930 00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:18,120 So then he says, "Well, you know what this means, don't you? 931 00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:22,130 "That somebody would come in, move my things around on my desk 932 00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:25,300 without my permission." He says, 933 00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:30,050 "That means that I, I have been violated." 934 00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:33,310 He says, "I have been so violated 935 00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:36,730 "in a way I've never been violated before. 936 00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:39,440 I can say that I have been raped." 937 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,520 (dramatic music playing) 938 00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:48,070 Rebekah: The kids, we were all just in disbelief 939 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:49,820 'cause you could hear Chuck on the Wire. 940 00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:52,030 "There's a rapist! 941 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,370 Who stole my glasses!" 942 00:47:54,450 --> 00:47:58,370 You know, and just going out, like batshit crazy. 943 00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:01,000 And so, we're kind of looking at each other, 944 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,800 just like, when are these people going to notice? 945 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,670 ♪♪ 946 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,090 This is the ravings of a lunatic. 947 00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:11,850 - (tense music playing) - (indistinct Wire chatter) 948 00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:15,220 Chuck started getting women who had been raped 949 00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:18,850 to talk about... You know, really pressuring people, 950 00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:21,600 "Get it off your chest if you were raped." 951 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:27,190 They began this long, long gaming situation. 952 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,490 (overlapping Game shouting) 953 00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:36,120 Rebekah: I think, at around 4:00 in the morning, 954 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,410 they told us, the kids, 955 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,170 that we could leave and go to bed. 956 00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:44,250 And so, we all ran out of that shed, just laughing. 957 00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:47,550 You know, like, oh, my God, the emperor has no clothes. 958 00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:50,130 Chuck (on Wire): ...hoping all the time that he would get up 959 00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,050 and get the fuck out of my house! 960 00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:53,680 Bob: You don't command people to come down 961 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,890 and run their most traumatic, intimate stories. 962 00:48:57,930 --> 00:49:00,390 (Chuck continues indistinctly) 963 00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:05,020 It was, it was a profound breach of decency. 964 00:49:05,070 --> 00:49:09,280 (indistinct Wire chatter) 965 00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:13,780 That's when people really got it. 966 00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:16,080 The old man is... (muttering) 967 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,080 The old man is, uh... 968 00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:20,660 He's crazy. 969 00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:24,000 Chuck (on Wire): One of the smartest people in Synanon. 970 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,960 I may be the smartest person in Synanon. 971 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,590 I probably am about this business. 972 00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:31,050 Chuck Dederich Jr.: He was outta control. So, I went under his building 973 00:49:31,090 --> 00:49:34,220 and cut the wires loose. 974 00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:36,100 (static) 975 00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:42,230 Rebekah: The writing was on the wall. 976 00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:44,100 This was just becoming madness. 977 00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:46,560 (ominous tone playing) 978 00:49:46,610 --> 00:49:47,980 And there was no way in hell 979 00:49:48,070 --> 00:49:49,730 that I was not gonna go to college. 980 00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,700 I wanted hair, 981 00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:55,780 I wanted an education, 982 00:49:55,820 --> 00:50:00,290 and I really, really, really wanted, like, a normal life. 983 00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:03,290 But, I could not go to any college 984 00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:05,670 with my lack of education. 985 00:50:06,210 --> 00:50:09,380 The Synanon school was not accredited 986 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:13,380 so that doesn't hold any muster in the real world. 987 00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:15,470 That's like saying you don't go to school. 988 00:50:15,970 --> 00:50:18,430 ♪ Doctors have come ♪ 989 00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:20,810 Lewis Yablonsky, who had written a book 990 00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:22,390 about Synanon in the early days, 991 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,650 was still teaching at Cal State Northridge. 992 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,690 I wrote him a letter explaining my situation, 993 00:50:29,770 --> 00:50:31,320 and he got me in. 994 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,110 ♪ They say I must be one of the wonders ♪ 995 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,570 ♪ God's own creation ♪ 996 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:42,660 I bought a Volkswagen Bug and drove on July 4th weekend 997 00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,830 to Los Angeles. 998 00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:46,830 ♪♪ 999 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,540 I started at Cal State Northridge, 1000 00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:51,000 and then I transferred to Barnard in New York 1001 00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:53,380 and graduated from Barnard. 1002 00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:56,180 And my hair was even almost long. 1003 00:50:56,220 --> 00:51:00,180 ♪ She'll make her way ♪ 1004 00:51:00,220 --> 00:51:02,180 ♪ Hey hey hey ♪ 1005 00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:07,270 ♪ She'll make her way ♪ 1006 00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:09,520 I was so happy. I was so happy. 1007 00:51:09,610 --> 00:51:12,860 - (song fades out) - (birds chirping) 1008 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,700 Tom Brokaw: On special segment tonight, 1009 00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:19,950 Synanon means many things to many people. 1010 00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:22,080 (office chatter) 1011 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,120 It means big business, and some say big scams. 1012 00:51:28,540 --> 00:51:30,540 Steve Delaney: Companies that donate to Synanon and companies 1013 00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:32,880 that do business with Synanon do it, they say, 1014 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,170 because they believe they are helping alcoholics 1015 00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:38,050 drug addicts, and other people in need. 1016 00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:40,050 That may have been true in the beginning, 1017 00:51:40,140 --> 00:51:42,560 but Synanon is a long way from its beginnings. 1018 00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:47,600 Synanon's actions contributed 1019 00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:49,230 to the loss of tax-exempt status 1020 00:51:49,310 --> 00:51:53,190 for its church and federal liens of $55.6 million 1021 00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:56,900 in back taxes and penalties against the organization. 1022 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,870 Bob: The IRS was asking for millions. 1023 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:04,160 And so, the question was, 1024 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,620 to the extent that it even was a question, 1025 00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:10,630 whether Synanon would be able to continue to exist 1026 00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:14,920 after meeting this court obligation. 1027 00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:18,220 Newscaster: Synanon bills this little shindig 1028 00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:20,890 as its first and last annual auction, 1029 00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:22,850 subtitle "Bye-bye, San Francisco." 1030 00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:25,770 There's everything from furniture to office supplies, 1031 00:52:25,850 --> 00:52:28,640 from appliances to books. 1032 00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:32,610 We had, at one time, the Oakland Athletic Club, 1033 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:35,030 and that was sold. 1034 00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:37,780 And then, we had the Del Mar Club, and that was sold, 1035 00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:41,160 and we had a bunch of apartment buildings that were sold. 1036 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,450 I mean, it was very depressing. 1037 00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:46,160 It was not wind in your face, 1038 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,540 and look at all the excitement and the laughter. 1039 00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:53,710 And at that point, Chuck was a broken man. 1040 00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:56,460 (quiet room chatter) 1041 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,760 Chuck Jr.: The place was a wreck after a while. 1042 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,970 It didn't have any... 1043 00:53:02,050 --> 00:53:03,640 It wasn't, it wasn't Synanon anymore. 1044 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,220 It was just a bunch of people kinda figuring out 1045 00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:08,520 what to do next, really. 1046 00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:14,230 We couldn't fix the culture after a certain point. 1047 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,150 We didn't have his touch. 1048 00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:19,030 He knew how to fix cultures. 1049 00:53:19,110 --> 00:53:21,650 (soft music playing) 1050 00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:25,660 Bob: Synanon had lasted 33 years. 1051 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,000 And I thought, well, you know, 1052 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,290 that may be the lifespan of a... 1053 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,670 (sniffles, sighs) 1054 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,390 Of... (clears throat) 1055 00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:47,810 Of that particular experiment. 1056 00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:51,560 (tools scraping) 1057 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,810 Miriam: We decided to leave. 1058 00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:57,610 I said, "This is not what I wanna do." 1059 00:53:58,270 --> 00:54:00,610 And Phil did not wanna do it either. 1060 00:54:00,690 --> 00:54:03,660 We talked about it, and I said, "I just don't think 1061 00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:06,530 Synanon is here for me anymore." 1062 00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:12,000 Bunch of us started moving down the hill here to Visalia. 1063 00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:17,710 (birds chirping) 1064 00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:23,840 Elena: Eventually, Chuck and Ginny, 1065 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,550 they moved to Visalia, too. 1066 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,020 They lived in a trailer park. 1067 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:35,560 And then, he was in a small care facility. 1068 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,860 And I-I went to visit him. 1069 00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:41,280 He had no idea who I was at that point. 1070 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,610 And he said, "Why are you visiting the old fart?" 1071 00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,200 I said, "Well, I love the old fart." 1072 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,910 "Oh." And then, he said, 1073 00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,040 "Well, when you, when you get to be my age, 1074 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,250 you're gonna really laugh at things." 1075 00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:57,000 I said, "At what?" He said, 1076 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,090 "Just the human condition. 1077 00:54:59,170 --> 00:55:00,920 It's very, very funny." 1078 00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:04,260 That was the last time I saw him. 1079 00:55:04,340 --> 00:55:06,760 (somber music playing) 1080 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,470 Phil: It was in the '90s sometime 1081 00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:11,600 and his wife Ginny called me. 1082 00:55:11,970 --> 00:55:14,020 Told me he'd passed away. 1083 00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:17,400 (applause) 1084 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,690 That he was gone. 1085 00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:27,450 (applause fades out) 1086 00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:32,990 (mysterious music playing) 1087 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,620 (indistinct Game chatter) 1088 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,500 Bob: I believe that Synanon 1089 00:55:39,580 --> 00:55:42,800 is a promising message 1090 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,420 and a cautionary tale. 1091 00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:46,760 (quiet street noise) 1092 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,590 It started out as a way to address addiction 1093 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,470 and alienation in the United States. 1094 00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:57,600 Chuck: We've come from all over the earth. 1095 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,480 People who got off of drugs 1096 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,780 and built a kind of life for themselves. 1097 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,610 I still love the old man. 1098 00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:09,530 Without him and his crooked face 1099 00:56:09,610 --> 00:56:12,660 and his loud noises, right? 1100 00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:14,950 I wouldn't be here. 1101 00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:18,120 He helped save my life. 1102 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,830 ♪♪ 1103 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,250 Mike Gimbel: There's no doubt in my mind I'd be dead 1104 00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:25,050 if I didn't go to Synanon. 1105 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:29,180 Synanon saved my life. 1106 00:56:29,550 --> 00:56:31,340 But, at the same time, 1107 00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:34,010 you know, it screwed it up, too. 1108 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,190 Whether it's brainwashed or committed or dedicated, 1109 00:56:40,350 --> 00:56:43,440 we were so into Synanon 1110 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,730 where we never questioned anything. 1111 00:56:46,610 --> 00:56:49,530 We did what we were told. We were good soldiers. 1112 00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:51,870 (military chanting) 1113 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:53,530 Marshall: There's always this thing in life 1114 00:56:53,580 --> 00:56:57,000 where there's everything is a mixed bag. 1115 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,580 And there's just so many good things that came out of Synanon 1116 00:57:00,670 --> 00:57:02,540 and so many good people 1117 00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:05,340 and so many great relationships that we all have. 1118 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,670 But that doesn't mean that a lot of really dark stuff 1119 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,380 didn't happen. And it did. 1120 00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:13,220 ♪♪ 1121 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,310 For me, the thing that makes me cry is the other people, 1122 00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:20,190 because a lot of people got messed up. 1123 00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:22,810 And, I mean... 1124 00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:24,400 (sighs) Yeah, 1125 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,110 that's the shit that'll make you sad, you know? 1126 00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:34,320 Rod: The excuses you make in your head. 1127 00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:36,450 "Well, this is just one thing. It doesn't... 1128 00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:38,080 "I don't like this, 1129 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,620 but I-I'm okay with about 90% of what's going on." 1130 00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:42,540 And then another thing happens, 1131 00:57:42,580 --> 00:57:46,000 and you rationalize that, and another thing happens. 1132 00:57:46,090 --> 00:57:48,710 "But all my friends are here and my family is here, 1133 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,050 and I love these people." 1134 00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:54,590 There are so many forces 1135 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,720 to kinda keep you going along with it. 1136 00:57:58,310 --> 00:58:00,770 But it's very, very hard to leave. 1137 00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:08,190 Bob: I have felt this sense of loss about... 1138 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,530 Synanon since Synanon ceased to be. 1139 00:58:13,610 --> 00:58:17,450 There's many things that I regret 1140 00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:19,040 that I may have done 1141 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,620 or didn't do while I was in Synanon. 1142 00:58:21,660 --> 00:58:23,750 But, overall, I don't... (clears throat) 1143 00:58:23,790 --> 00:58:25,750 I don't regret having been there. 1144 00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:29,880 Because community is so difficult, 1145 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,800 and the bonds created in community 1146 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,680 are powerful. 1147 00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:39,140 (sighs) And lasting. 1148 00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:44,850 Why did people do it? I think I know why, a large part. 1149 00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:46,980 ♪♪ 1150 00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:50,440 I talked with people, and I asked them, 1151 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,990 "Why did you stay?" You know? 1152 00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:54,610 And they said, unapologetically, 1153 00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:56,740 you know, "I needed that community. 1154 00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:59,280 "It just filled such a hole in me. 1155 00:58:59,330 --> 00:59:02,000 "I was so lonely. 1156 00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:06,210 I was so lonely." 1157 00:59:06,290 --> 00:59:09,130 So it was always about that. 1158 00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:10,340 It's about community. 1159 00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:14,010 (hopeful music playing) 1160 00:59:14,090 --> 00:59:15,930 ♪♪ 1161 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,100 - (seabirds chirping) - (sea breeze blowing) 1162 00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:25,100 (shutter snaps) 1163 00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:30,150 (sea breeze fades out) 1164 00:59:30,610 --> 00:59:33,860 ♪♪ 87887

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