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(BIRDS CHIRRUPING)

You have it in your bedroom,
directly opposite your bed?

Yes, yes, so we see
her every morning.

It was painted by Flora's
boyfriend's father.

The first time I ever saw he'd
finished the painting of her face,

in his studio,

and boyfriend's mother said
before I went in, you know,

"Be careful, because
you're in for a shock."

To see Flora's face looking
back at me in that studio

is something I will never,
ever forget as long as I live.

Absolutely caught her
character beautifully, I think.

Showing the forget-me-not.

As if we could ever forget her.

She was very beautiful and very...
everything. Very everything.

Remembering all
the little things

from when she was a
little tiny toddler.

It was wonderful.

What lies behind all
this is so simple.

All I was after was the truth
about why my lovely daughter

had to be murdered.

And I was bloody determined
to find out who'd done it.

(SOMBRE MUSIC)

REPORTER: Pan Am Flight 103

crashed into the Scottish
village of Lockerbie.

NEWSREADER. 270 lives lost.

It was Britain's
worst ever air crash.

REAGAN: We have no knowledge
of how this accident happened.

We're trying to find out.

It was an attack on America.

Largest crime scene in history.
200,000 pieces of evidence.

JIM: My daughter hadn't
just died in an accident

but er... been
brutally murdered.

They killed our children.
To be lied to for 30 years.

I think the US
Government had an agenda.

Reagan is the biggest
terrorist in the world.

VICTORIA CUMMOCK: If it's
up to our Government,

we might not ever
know the truth.

REPORTER: Nothing is what it
seems in the Lockerbie story.

This particular phase of our search
for the truth is almost complete.

That is a tremendous relief,
and that's the upside

of the decision by the judges to
deliver their verdict so soon.

REPORTER: The court
that has heard 84 days

and three million
words of evidence

is ready for the final day of
Britain's biggest mass murder trial.

From here, the three Scottish
judges will deliver their verdict.

REPORTER 2: Abdelbaset
Ali al-Megrahi, 48,

and Lamin Khalifah Fhimah, 44,

were both accused of
planting the fatal bomb,

in a series of
luggage transfers.

The prosecution, over nine
months, called over 200 witnesses,

with 10,000 pages of testimony,

pressing its case that these
men were Libyan terrorists.

The evidence, even though
it was circumstantial,

we thought it was very
convincing, and compelling.

(SIREN WAILS)

The key issues in evidence
were Mr Megrahi's role

in the security
services in Libya,

his use of false identities,

and his movement around Malta.

Not only his presence in Malta
on the day of the bombing,

his presence in the airport on
the morning that the suitcase

containing the bomb was
ingested on the flight.

His connections with Mr Bollier,

who was the owner of Mebo Ltd.

And Mebo Ltd were the company
who the court concluded

had manufactured the timing
device that detonated the bomb.

PHIL: As far as
Fhimah was concerned,

we came up with
critical evidence.

Fhimah was the Libyan Arab
Airlines manager here in Malta.

Megrahi couldn't have got
that suitcase into the system

without Fhimah's help.

The entire Crown case had
been based upon conspiracy,

and what I can say is that

the evidence surrounding it
is highly, highly suspect.

REPORTER: Abdul Majid
Giaka is the super-grass

billed as the Lockerbie
trial's star witness.

REPORTER 2: We saw the two
accused handling a brown suitcase,

like the one placed
on board Pan Am 103.

He was such a dreadful witness.

I mean, for a start,

the judges made clear they didn't
believe really anything he said.

JIM: Gauci was
another key figure.

He knew that the US Department
of Justice was offering

virtually unlimited,
certainly millions of dollars,

to anyone who
would give evidence

and so he is motivated
to go after that money.

The lack of credible evidence was
what converted me to realising

the two accused men clearly
could've had nothing to do with it.

We waited for the judges
to come onto the bench

to deliver their... verdict

and we had absolutely no
idea what was gonna happen.

The evidence, in its totality,
made it so compelling

but there was no smoking gun.

I can remember holding
Phil Reid's hands.

We were sitting next to each
other and I can remember just...

we probably squeezed
each other extra hard.

REPORTER: The judges had
listened to 84 days of evidence,

and then today announced their
verdict in less than a minute.

Lamin Khalifah Fhimah was
innocent, they decided.

His co-accused,
Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi,

was guilty of the 270 murders.

The shock of the verdict initially,
was so great, I collapsed.

I had what's called a vasovagal
attack - my heart stopped.

Jim Swire, who was two rows
in front of me, collapsed.

And at the same time,
Mr Megrahi's now-widow

was very vocal in her distress,

as were other family members.

So, it was instantly alarming.

When I, sort of, came round
from all this, I said,

"Send for a dram of whisky!"

And unfortunately the Scottish
doctor wouldn't supply any whisky,

quite rightly, in retrospect,

to somebody who'd been
unconscious for several minutes.

(CLAMOURING)

I thought they would both be
sent home, either not proven,

which was a valid decision
under Scottish law at the time,

or not guilty.

DIRECTOR: Do you remain convinced
they put the wrong man in prison?

Oh, yes. I... I'm now...

I would say, 99.9% convinced.

I have to leave a little area

because we can always,
any of us, be wrong.

REPORTER: The American
families at least,

are at pleased that at least someone
has been convicted in this case,

although many people
are left to wonder,

how one of the accused could
be guilty and the other not.

The moment in which Megrahi was
convicted, but Fhimah was left...

you know, let go,
there was palpable

concern about the decision.

My heart broke when Mr Fhimah was
allowed to leave the courtroom

because clearly...

that bomb could not have gotten on
the plane without his assistance.

We didn't understand that
either. But from what I remember,

there are some nuances in
Scots Law about corroboration

and I believe it was there, his
diary could not be corroborated.

(WOMAN SOBS)

REPORTER: It's been a day
of conflicting emotions.

Delight, at seeing at
least one conviction,

but anger that the
sentence isn't longer.

It was such a short sentence,
because a life sentence

in Scotland is 20 years.

And it's 20 years for
all of your victims,

so we were horrified

that this was supposed
to bring justice

to... to our loved ones.

By finding Megrahi
guilty, we believed

that vindicated our findings

that this was a Libyan
government operation.

(CHANTING)

This, to me, meant that
this was ordered by Gaddafi,

even though that never came
to court, it vindicated us.

(CHANTING AND WHISTLING)

This case is very polarised...
has been for many, many years.

I worked as a researcher
with Megrahi's lawyers.

I've been involved in the
case for about 30 years.

There's very much two
different camps, if you like.

One camp believes that justice
was done at Camp Zeist,

to the extent that
Megrahi was convicted.

And then, there are others,

who are very sceptical of
the Megrahi conviction,

in fact, believe that
he was wrongly convicted

and believe that the suspects

actually lie outside of Libya.

The camp, if you
can call them that,

of people, who believe
that Megrahi was innocent,

is in a minority, undoubtedly.

The prevailing view is that
Libya and Megrahi were guilty.

REPORTER: This evening, Khalifa
Fhimah headed for Libya.

Al-Megrahi stayed behind bars. And
the quest for the truth goes on.

(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)

Without wishing to impugn the truth
of the verdict against Megrahi,

I wonder whether he
really did do it.

(BIRDS CHIRRUPING)

I could not believe three
senior Scottish judges

would convict anybody
on that evidence.

I wasn't prepared to allow
associating Flora's death

with anything as untrue
and debasing as the story

that was raised by the
authorities against those two men.

I was very shaken
up, psychologically,

by the fact that I knew
Megrahi was innocent...

and the authorities protected,

in effect, her killers.

Jim is a remarkable character.

I mean, Jim is, if you
like, of the establishment.

He's an old Etonian.

He's someone who's
Conservative with a small "c",

who was brought up to believe in
British institutions, in fair play.

And on his journey,

he learns that actually, truth and
justice don't always come first.

He's been lied to,
occasionally abused,

yet throughout it,
he has maintained

this extraordinarily graceful,

gentlemanly demeanour.

DIRECTOR: Where do you think
this extraordinary obsession,

where does that come from?

Has it always been
in Jim's character?

We've been married
over 60 years,

and I hadn't noticed it
before, but, of course,

we were in extreme
circumstances,

so it does breed extremism.

He was appalled to
see a wrong verdict,

and he wanted to put it right.

In the same way that Jim
was driven by the campaign,

what was your response?

Just trying to survive
it, one step at a time.

DIRECTOR: Do you feel
Megrahi is guilty?

(EXHALES) That's a re...

That's a very difficult
question to answer.

I have a lot of unease about
information that I know is out there

but I'm not able to get sight of it
for reasons of National Security.

And until access to
those can be gained,

I think the controversy
will continue.

So, for many people there are even
more questions, rather than less.

(SOMBRE MUSIC)

(CHURCH BELL TOLLS)

(JIM CALLS TO HENS)

This is the infamous filing
cabinet you were talking about?

That's the infamous filing cabinet.
It's all full of Lockerbie stuff.

So, this is 35
years of work? Yes.

Sadly, many of the people
who've helped so much

over those 35 years
are no longer with us.

The FBI and America
said publicly,

that there could have been no
case brought against the Libyans

had it not been for a
fragment of circuit board

that was recovered
from the wreckage.

"PT/35(b)" is a
perfect optical copy

of a Mebo circuit board,

but it was made by a
different technology.

The copper was coated with pure
tin, not with tin/lead mixture.

We have material prepared by

bona-fide academic
institutions, two of them,

who reviewed the technology used

to make the fragment
called "PT35(b)"

and they confirmed that it
was plated with pure tin

not with tin/lead mixture.

And therefore, if it was made in
any commercial enterprise at all

must have been made after 1988.

Nobody in the industry was
using pure tin back in '88.

Do you believe that
"PT/35(b)" is a fake?

Yes.

When I was working
on the Megrahi appeal

as a researcher
with the legal team,

I developed the evidence
on the circuit board,

I spoke to the relevant experts.

There are a number of
anomalies concerning "PT/35(b)"

concerning its provenance,

that strongly suggest
that it was a plant.

Who planted it?

I don't know.

That piece of evidence has been
under scrutiny by the trial,

by the Criminal Cases Review
Commission on a number of occasions

and the conclusion at the end is

that there is not any weight to
attach to the conspiracy theories

around the fragment
having been planted.

(WIND WHISTLES)

I honestly believe
it's very important

for the truth to be out there,

but there are people that doubt
what, I think, the facts are,

and they don't wanna believe

that anybody in government
can tell the truth.

And I will say this: the
people who worked on this case,

top to bottom, were
honest, forthright,

believe in justice, wanted
to do the right thing.

DIRECTOR: Some people call
you a conspiracy theorist.

How does that make you feel?

You're saying to
me also something

which is tantamount to
saying that I'm wrong.

I may be wrong- No, I'm
not saying you're wrong.

Hang on a minute. Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't have the knowledge to say-

Hang on just a moment until
the... until the... the real...

the phrase that really matters.

That the key item, upon which
the whole case depends on,

clearly is not correct.

Can I suggest that if you have
another meeting with Mr Marquise

that you copy one
little message to him?

That's a little
saying that goes,

"There is none so blind
as he that will not see."

The evidence that was used in
the court to convict a Libyan

was, in fact, false.

(SOMBRE MUSIC)

I am 100% convinced

Pan Am 103 was brought
down by a timer

built in a shop in Zurich,
Switzerland, by Mebo.

Absolutely convinced of that.

(COINS JINGLING)

(SPEAKS GERMAN)

He has suggested that I
offered him $4 million and-

Did you? No. God, no.

Initially he said a man by the name
of Buck Revell offered it to him.

He never met Buck Revell.

All of a sudden, he remembers he
met me, so I offered him the money.

No, I did not
offer him one cent.

The only thing I can tell
you that I did tell him:

"You need to tell us
everything you know.

You need to tell the truth."

That's the problem. His story kept
changing. It changed at the trial,

and it's changed
subsequent to that.

JOHN: Edwin Bollier is someone
who's shrouded in a lot of mystery.

We've never known which side of the
fence he's playing. Probably both.

I can remember, Mr Megrahi
has an office in Mebo.

OK, that's another circumstance.

All the circumstances, to me,
amount to a pile, a big pile.

(BIRDS CHIRRUPING)

Well... Well there's one thing
you would be interested in here,

is the lapel badge that I wore

the first time I
went to see Gaddafi.

And it just says: "Lockerbie,
the truth must be known".

And the truth is
actually very simple,

but the consequences of
trying to conceal the truth

are incredibly complex.

DIRECTOR: You said
to us at one point,

"I think I know who
killed my daughter."

Who do you think that was? I
think she was killed by a bomb,

which was ordained by
the Iranian authorities.

(TENSE MUSIC)

Coming inbound fast!

The motive they had was that
they had had an Airbus destroyed

by an American missile...
(MISSILE WHOOSHES)

and 290 people killed.

And therefore they were
lusting for revenge.

(CHANTING)

I have no doubt it was Iran.

I don't say the Iranians
personally went and blew up Pan Am.

They used the PFLP-GC, one
of their client states.

We knew the Iranians were
behind all the American

and British hostages in Lebanon.

They'd been held for the
last eight years or more.

I worked on it. I was in
Lebanon. I worked on that case.

(CHEERING AND WHISTLING)

I think we cut a deal
with the Iran and said,

"You give us back
all the hostages,

we will drop the focus
on you for Pan Am."

Cos we knew we were guilty at
why the Iranians did it, we did.

They did it in retaliation for
us killing 250 of their people.

"So, we'll go after Libya, cos we
always wanted to go after Libya."

And US Presidents have hated
Gaddafi since he took over in 1969.

He kicked all the American
oil companies out of Libya.

I'm not saying, I'm
not defending Gaddafi.

I'm not saying he's
a clean character.

He's got a lot of
blood on his hands.

But not the Pan Am blood.

(MOTORBIKE ENGINE DRONES)

(SOMBRE MUSIC)

Have you ever
heard of Jim Swire?

Yes, that is the first person I
phoned from the Lockerbie case.

He was telling me that the
Libyans were maybe not responsible

for the terrorist attack on the
plane that killed my father.

(WIND GUSTS)

Every time I say that my father

was killed in a terrorist attack

on a plane, they
say, "Oh! Lockerbie!"

And I say, "No, but there was
another flight nine months after,

who has been... who exploded."

UT772.

There were 170
persons on the flight.

It was, in fact, a
bomb, with a timer.

UTA was the French company that
was having many flights in Africa.

My father went in the
plane in N'Djamena...

and one hour after take-off,
the plane exploded over Niger.

His name was Jean
Henri. John Henry.

He died at 49, and now
I'm 60, so I overtook him.

And it was difficult
when I had...

when I was 49, to see that
I lived more than my father.

There was a French
investigation.

They went in Libya and found
evidence that this explosion

was due to a suitcase,

Samsonite, that was on board.

They also found the same luggage
in the office of Abdullah Senussi.

Abdullah Senussi is the
brother-in-law of Gaddafi

and Chief of the Secret
Services of Libya.

And there were ten other luggage
in the office of Senussi.

And he also found the
order of a hundred timers

that had been ordered
by the Secret Service.

(BOAT HORN)

Ten years after the...
the terrorist attack,

we had a trial in absentia.

We had nobody in... in court.

So the trial was very
short, it was two days.

Because, in fact,
there was no debate.

There were six Libyans.

Who were the six Libyans
put on trial in absentia?

Only one is important,
is Abdullah Senussi.

The other ones were just under the
instructions of Abdullah Senussi.

The sentence was
the maximum sentence

but it was bullshit, by the way,

because... they were not there.

Do you believe that
your father's flight

and the Lockerbie Pan Am
103 flight are connected?

They are completely connected.

Same perpetrators, same
state, same method.

These two flights are
completely connected.

(BIRDS CHIRRUPING)

I have the three white roses for
Christopher, Matthew, and Ashley.

And my red rose, as always.

If John had to fall
out of the sky,

this couldn't have been a better
place for him to come down.

He was a very proud American,
of Scottish descent.

Do you ever find yourself
looking over to the field?

Oh, yes. Yes, because
that's where John died.

He was...

He was in the nose
cone of the plane.

You know, through the
years you don't get over...

a loss of this type
or this magnitude.

You just learn how
to live with it.

And knowing that
he is where he is,

here at Tundergarth in Scotland,

among this most beautiful
countryside and setting.

You know, it's such a
peaceful and serene place.

(BIRDS CHIRRUPING)

When I got John back
and I viewed him,

I promised to him that I would
try to find out who did this

and hold people accountable,

because I know that if I
had been on that flight,

he would've done the same thing.

When al-Megrahi was found
guilty, as a Libyan official,

of bringing down Pan Am 103,

the Libyans created a
no-fault settlement offer,

saying that Libya was not
taking responsibility,

but was offering $10 million.

And that the family
members had to sign off

on ever trying to
pursue Libya ever again.

I felt that if Libya didn't do
it, they didn't owe me a penny,

and if they did do it,

they shouldn't be forcing us to
sign a no-fault settlement deal.

INTERVIEWER: Does Libya
accept responsibility

for the attack on Lockerbie?

So, to be very clear on
this, what you're saying is

that you accept responsibility,

but you're not admitting
that you did it?

Of course.

Playing devil's advocate here,
there are people who'd say,

"If Libya had nothing to
do with bombing Pan Am 103,

why did they pay all
this compensation?"

I think that... that's a question
that's fairly easily answered.

Gaddafi's son, Saif
Gaddafi, told me,

"Yeah, we've decided
to pay compensation

because that's the only way
we can get the ball rolling

and get our oil
industry back on stream

and get the money
coming in again."

JOHN: Libya desperately wanted
and needed to get its relationship

with the West back on track.

In order to do that they
had to admit responsibility

for the bombing, whether
or not they did it,

and pay compensation,
whether or not they did it.

Whichever camp you fall into,

whether you believe the Libyan's
did it, or whether you believe

that Iran was
behind the bombing,

you've always been
thwarted by politics.

Tony Blair, in the last days
of his time as Prime Minister,

met with Muammar Gaddafi,

and during this meeting there
were two documents signed.

One was a very large
British petroleum deal.

And the second was a
prisoner transfer agreement.

In Libya, there were
no UK prisoners,

and there was only one Libyan
prisoner in all of the UK.

Al-Megrahi.

JOHN: Megrahi was diagnosed
with terminal cancer in 2008.

At that point, a lot was
going on in the background.

Tony Blair had done his deal
in the desert a year earlier.

There was a very strong push to
normalise relations with Libya

and as far as the
Libyans were concerned,

if they were gonna do
any deal about oil,

that deal had to involve
Megrahi coming home.

(SHOUTING)

How did you feel when
Megrahi was released?

Pissed.

And I'd had nothing
to drink. I was angry.

I'm not a big believer
in the death penalty,

but I think you need to sit in
prison the rest of your life

and think about what you did.

REPORTER: Dressed
in a white tracksuit

and walking with
the aid of a stick,

Al-Megrahi said
his final goodbyes.

His medical notes describe
a man in increasing pain.

According to experts, he has
less than three months to live.

(DRAMATIC MUSIC)

To me, I thought, "Well, I
guess this is Scottish justice

and everything."

But I found that all, um...

pretty appalling.

REPORTER: Libyan television
showed the British Ambassador

telling Tripoli to keep Al-Megrahi's
homecoming a low-key affair.

(BAND PLAYING)

Hundreds of people were
bussed in for the event.

Scottish flags were provided.

It was a decision taken by
the Scottish legal system

but it's clear, the return of
the bomber suits many people.

Out of all the things that have
happened since December 21st, 1988,

I would say Megrahi's release was
probably one of the hardest things.

His release on
compassionate leave

was very hard to stomach,

because, you know, my father
and none of the people

on the plane or on the ground

had been treated
with any compassion.

So, it was a very,
very difficult moment.

JIM: I wanted him to go home,

so he could die with his family
cos I knew he was innocent.

And yet, he was in Malta
airport the day of the bombing.

I don't blame you for being
unable to disassociate yourself

from this superstructure of
Frankfurt, Malta, Libyans, Gaddafi,

why it all hangs together,

one office up to another.

What if it's far
simpler than that?

What if somebody came across
to Heathrow, broke in,

put it in the labelled container
saying Pan Am and walked away again?

What if?

Heathrow Airport was actually broken
into the evening before Lockerbie.

Which meant that
anybody who was carrying

one of these devices
in a suitcase

could have been strolling around
airside Heathrow for 24 hours

before the disaster happened.

John Bedford was
a Heathrow loader.

He was loading the container
that was subsequently discovered

to have contained
the bombed suitcase.

He went on a tea break.

He came back half
an hour later, or so

and noticed that there were
two suitcases in the container,

lying on the floor, one of which
was a brown, Samsonite-type case.

He hadn't put it there himself.
He didn't know who'd put it there.

The only reasonable conclusion
we can draw from this,

is that the suitcase
John Bedford saw

was rogue and
contained the bomb.

John Bedford did give
evidence at the trial

and he was described as
an impressive witness,

but the judges dismissed
the defence claim

that that suitcase must
have contained the bomb.

You worked on Megrahi's appeal,

which suggests you have a
particular take on the story?

Yeah, I mean, my primary belief is
that Megrahi was wrongly convicted

and wasn't involved
in Lockerbie.

It's a very difficult
story to navigate through.

There are a lot of agendas,
some plain, some hidden.

Everybody's got a
slightly different story.

Piecing that together
into a reliable narrative

is extremely difficult.

This was state-sponsored
terrorism.

That's the only thing we
definitely know about Lockerbie.

But the full extent of that
state-sponsored terrorism

remains under a veil of secrecy.

I believe, as a Libyan citizen,

that Megrahi was used...

on behalf of Gaddafi,

to take part in that
horrendous crime,

but play a small part.

I think it was a
three-way operation.

Iran paid the money.

The fringe Palestinian
group in Syria

provided the technology
and the planning.

And I think Gaddafi provided the
facilitation to use the Malta route.

I mean, could you
argue that Megrahi

didn't help himself
at various points.

I mean he... he seems to have given
several different explanations

as to why he was in Malta at the
time the bomb was put on the plane.

Megrahi arguably
seals his own fate.

He told two key lies.

One was that he wasn't
associated with Bollier.

The other was that he wasn't in
Malta the night before the bombing.

Now, the reason he said he told
those lies was that he was petrified

that something he might say,

would give the Americans
cause to bomb Libya.

It was only five years after
the previous bombing raids

and he didn't know what to do.

He did what he thought
was best, which was lie.

The Lockerbie disaster was
probably closest, out of any other,

sort of legal event, to the
assassination of John Kennedy.

Because the questions over JFK's
death have never been answered,

and indeed the individual
that's presented

as having caused this,
caused the death,

for many people, they're a small
pin in a much bigger picture.

So, Megrahi's the
Lee Harvey Oswald?

(THUNDER RUMBLES)

What kind of day is this?
This is the 31st of July.

We're nearly in August.
This is normal for us.

You're in the clouds.
You're near heaven.

You usu... (LAUGHS) Our
heads are in the clouds.

The last time we were here, one
of the things we talked about,

you know, the body that you found,
still in... still in his seat...

Yes... in the field over there.

Hugh, you talked about how you guys
developed a relationship with him?

Right from the start, I think. We
called him "Our Boy," you know?

Cos he just looked so young.

You know, we felt
responsible for him really

and we knew there'd be
relatives somewhere...

saddened by what had happened.

But you did eventually
find out, didn't you?

Yes, it took quite a while.
I don't know how long.

And what was his name?
Frank Ciulla. Yeah.

And we, as I say, we
thought he was just a boy.

But er... he was
actually 40, I think.

45. That there was a
wife called Mary Lou.

We were just keeping hoping
they would come, you know?

And then it was arranged she
was coming for these ashes

and that would be
her first visit.

So how often have you kept in
contact over the last 30 years?

- All the time.
- Mary Lou always felt it was such a beautiful place

for Frank to fall. I know!

I don't know what she'll
think today, mind you!

She's never been here on
a day like this! (LAUGHS)

(CHURCH BELL TOLLS)

NEWSREADER: Now a new twist
in the quest for justice.

REPORTER: A Libyan man
accused of making the bomb

that destroyed a passenger jet
over Lockerbie 34 years ago

has been taken into US custody.

Several people are in
a critical condition...

I have to start here.

Yes. It's pretty
extraordinary.

One of the biggest
developments in 34 years,

and we are left spinning,

wondering how or what to think.

REPORTER: Abu Agila Mohammad
Masud, the so-called "third man",

he is now in American custody.

I think people are
not conflicted,

but they are... I'm not
even sure they're divided.

They're just not sure on
what to make of it all.

What do you make of the latest - development in the story?
- Mr Masud?

Masud confessed to
building Pan Am 103 device,

and putting it on the plane,
along with Fhimah and Megrahi.

According to the criminal
complaint affidavit,

Masud built the bomb

that destroyed Pan Am 103.

My recollection
is we got his name

about the same time as
we got Megrahi's name.

We were getting
cooperation from the CIA.

They probably took it from
their cables as being somebody

who was in and out of Malta.

When the Scottish police went to
Libya in 1999, they asked questions.

"We wanna see the passport records
for Megrahi. We want Fhimah.

We want Masud."

"We don't know who Masud is. Can't
identify him. Don't know who he is."

If the Libyan Government itself
had not been involved in this,

perhaps there would have
been some cooperation?

Masud's confession is probably not
worth the paper it was written on

because it was given to, you
know, Libyan Security Forces,

after the downfall of Gaddafi,
for which would read malicious.

This was not a confession that
was given under circumstances

that would give you confidence
in its authenticity.

After 35 years, it's like, I
have friends that actually say,

"When is it gonna end?"
I say, "It never ends."

You just never stop wanting
justice to somehow be served.

The first time that I had
any hope to see actual action

was when I got the 3am email
from the Department of Justice

saying that they had
apprehended Masud,

and he was on a plane
heading to America.

The US apprehension and arrest
of Libyan terrorist suspect

Abu Agila Mohammad Masud

is the first tangible step made
by the US Department of Justice

in 34 years, to hold any suspect
accountable in US courts.

Have we heard from him
since he was indicted,

brought here a
couple of months ago?

We haven't heard a word since. We
haven't heard when the trial date is set.

I think this is just
another one of...

This will go on for
months, if not years.

It's cleared a bit
right enough... Yeah.

Hi! - HUGH: Yes! Hi.
- Hello.

Ah, great.

I was just saying, I have to
show you... Good to see you.

I have to show you all the
pictures of the last few days.

We've had a busy... Oh,
yes! Yes!..a busy few days.

(LAUGHS) Oh, where have you been?
- How you doing? - Good.

Tell me, you guys have obviously
built this relationship now,

but what was it like the
first time you came here?

When I first met them, I felt like
I knew them already. I mean, really.

They... They were warm and
we hugged and it was OK.

What happened felt so inhumane

and felt so violent
and... horrific.

Oh, it was.
- And it was. It was. - Yes.

But then, coming
here and seeing this,

like, other side of the
story, the humanity came back.

I felt that he was
alone somewhere

and yet, when I came
here, he wasn't alone.

So, that kind of really helped me
a lot because he was with them.

Yeah. I was a different
person when I came

and a different
person when I left.

Mine was actually, and I don't even
know how to say it, "a nice story".

Do you know what I mean?
It was a nice story.

I'm almost very happy I waited
those three years to come.

I just will never forget
how you walked to the spot.

You were so confident where
to go and it was like,

feeling like how important that
place was for you too... Yes, yes.

And the spot where
his life ended.

Like that's a major
part of the story

and we know where he
came to this earth,

where he was found and
we can stand there.

It's like, it's stunning.

(SOMBRE MUSIC)

JIM: It's a lovely spot.

It looks out over
the... the sea.

My father and my
mother's graves are here

and a memorial to poor
Flora, facing theirs.

One of the things that I've
always been very aware of

since Lockerbie happened
was that hatred for those

who had actually carried
out the atrocity,

would be counter-productive.

But the question
that that left was,

"Well, what can one
do about terrorism?"

And, for me, it seems, the first
thing you can do about terrorism

is find out who
the terrorists were

and even that, in
this situation,

has been concealed from
the closest relatives.

Justice throughout,

whichever view of justice
you take in this case,

has been occluded by the
geopolitical considerations.

We had to learn to
live without her.

I would be walking down the
street and I thought I saw her,

you know, getting off a bus, or
sort of, something like that.

It's the... the turning
point of everything.

It's... It's like before
Helga and after Helga.

This is John's boarding pass.

It says Pam Am
103, 21st December.

His seat was 3A.

I always felt guilty
that I didn't go with him

because I... I thought
that maybe if we had gone,

we would have come back
the following day together.

But then again,
who knows, right?

Who knows?

DIRECTOR: You're
now 87, aren't you?

Yes, if I could remember,
I would say yes to that.

I mean, you've spent the last
35 years living with this.

No regrets doing that?
Infinite regrets.

The only regret that really matters,
of course, is the loss of Flora.

We are left with
a legacy of loss,

but also of good memories

of a beautiful
and beloved child.

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