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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:03,330 --> 00:01:07,324 - One more day and you're free, Alan. - Yeah, I'll miss all this study time. 2 00:01:07,401 --> 00:01:08,835 Yeah, I bet. 3 00:01:12,806 --> 00:01:15,241 - You're a dead man, Baylis. - You can't touch me. 4 00:01:16,944 --> 00:01:18,845 He's got a rope! 5 00:01:35,362 --> 00:01:37,092 You have a pre-trial next. 6 00:01:37,164 --> 00:01:41,067 A Mrs Hurst. She wants to sue the council. 7 00:01:41,134 --> 00:01:43,000 - Over what? - She adopted a wrong 'un, 8 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:44,537 only nobody told her, it seems. 9 00:01:44,605 --> 00:01:47,097 This is her third attempt, Judge. 10 00:01:47,174 --> 00:01:50,576 You threw it out a year ago. Her papers weren't filed correctly. 11 00:01:50,644 --> 00:01:53,409 Ask the Presider to take it, would you? 12 00:01:57,517 --> 00:01:59,713 Well, I can't hear it, John. 13 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:02,720 I've got her adopted son. 14 00:02:02,823 --> 00:02:05,657 The schoolboy who raped his teacher. 15 00:02:05,726 --> 00:02:08,286 I could let you take that instead. 16 00:02:09,997 --> 00:02:11,192 Vera? 17 00:02:11,999 --> 00:02:15,492 My wife's insisting on sitting on the bench with me on this one. 18 00:02:15,702 --> 00:02:17,227 Quirky privilege. 19 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,731 Come in. 20 00:02:24,544 --> 00:02:27,139 - And how's our new pupil doing? - He's a star. 21 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:29,847 Bellman have been on again, miss, 22 00:02:29,916 --> 00:02:33,284 asking if I persuaded you to take on the Alan Ferns defence. 23 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:34,650 I can't see a defence. 24 00:02:34,721 --> 00:02:37,919 He was caught on a CCTV camera. He should plead guilty. 25 00:02:38,859 --> 00:02:40,760 The thing is, miss, 26 00:02:40,861 --> 00:02:43,330 Bellman have a huge fraud case coming up. 27 00:02:43,397 --> 00:02:44,490 A private payer. 28 00:02:44,564 --> 00:02:46,157 Chambers would do very nicely from it. 29 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:48,565 Yes, I know the pressure, Tony. 30 00:02:50,737 --> 00:02:52,137 The prisoner did ask for you. 31 00:02:52,205 --> 00:02:54,174 Hmm. Should I feel flattered? 32 00:02:54,241 --> 00:02:57,473 He's very bright, miss. He's taken two law degrees in prison. 33 00:02:57,577 --> 00:03:00,206 Well, then he should know he hasn't got a case. 34 00:03:01,948 --> 00:03:04,782 I'll think about it. Talk it over with Michael. 35 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:06,717 That's all right. I don't mind. 36 00:03:09,423 --> 00:03:12,222 Oh, hello. Nice of you to come. 37 00:03:15,896 --> 00:03:17,330 There is no defence, Mr Ferns. 38 00:03:17,397 --> 00:03:19,992 Your best option would be a deal with the CPS. 39 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:21,864 And what about provocation? 40 00:03:22,335 --> 00:03:24,770 Is there evidence the victim provoked you? 41 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:28,536 He abused boys no older than the one you're looking after. 42 00:03:32,245 --> 00:03:34,680 I have no regrets, Mrs Mills. 43 00:03:34,781 --> 00:03:37,216 Baylis claimed he was innocent. 44 00:03:37,718 --> 00:03:41,018 Well, we know of at least eight children he abused. 45 00:03:42,422 --> 00:03:43,866 The provocation would need to have produced 46 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:46,325 a pretty instant loss of self-control. 47 00:03:46,426 --> 00:03:48,156 He got three months. 48 00:03:48,261 --> 00:03:50,373 Half the fathers in the country probably wanted to kill him. 49 00:03:50,397 --> 00:03:52,161 Still not a defence. 50 00:03:52,999 --> 00:03:55,764 Well, people are saying I'm mad to do what I did. 51 00:03:56,670 --> 00:03:59,504 I only had a day of my own sentence left to serve. 52 00:03:59,573 --> 00:04:02,304 Diminished responsibility could be a runner. 53 00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:04,776 If we can show that you were suffering from an abnormality 54 00:04:04,845 --> 00:04:07,246 that impaired your mental responsibility. 55 00:04:07,647 --> 00:04:08,887 Well, I didn't lose all reason. 56 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:11,384 Then what would you hope to convince a jury of? 57 00:04:11,451 --> 00:04:13,818 That I acted in defence of others. 58 00:04:13,887 --> 00:04:16,118 To prevent a crime? 59 00:04:16,223 --> 00:04:17,691 Is that it? 60 00:04:17,758 --> 00:04:19,954 - Barry Baylis was in prison. - Yeah. 61 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:24,521 But he'd have got out in a few weeks and he'd have preyed on other children. 62 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:29,259 Well, despite his passionate belief, I'm not sure he has any genuine defence. 63 00:04:29,336 --> 00:04:30,668 Oh, come on, Jo. 64 00:04:31,304 --> 00:04:34,035 Remember that speech you gave to the local Law Society, 65 00:04:34,141 --> 00:04:36,440 "Defence is part of the process. 66 00:04:37,144 --> 00:04:38,544 "In our legal system, 67 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:42,481 "every prisoner deserves the best possible defence, regardless." 68 00:04:43,216 --> 00:04:46,243 - Where'd you dig that up? - I didn't. 69 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:48,652 Alan Ferns did. 70 00:04:59,166 --> 00:05:01,158 - Hello. - Hello. 71 00:05:02,702 --> 00:05:04,898 Hello, Mrs Tredaway. Did we have an appointment? 72 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:06,439 No. 73 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:08,151 How are you getting on with the cello, Michael? 74 00:05:08,175 --> 00:05:09,575 Oh, all right. 75 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:12,442 Can... Can we talk inside? 76 00:05:12,546 --> 00:05:13,741 Of course. 77 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:29,422 His teacher says he could be very good. 78 00:05:29,496 --> 00:05:31,021 He is already. 79 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:35,700 Mrs Mills. 80 00:05:38,538 --> 00:05:42,600 A man who thinks he's Michael's father has made contact with the council. 81 00:05:42,709 --> 00:05:43,904 What? 82 00:05:44,444 --> 00:05:45,776 Is that possible? 83 00:05:45,846 --> 00:05:48,577 He says he had a brief affair with Diana Hulsey. 84 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:51,210 The time would fit. 85 00:05:51,284 --> 00:05:52,884 He's come all the way from South Africa. 86 00:05:52,919 --> 00:05:54,888 On the off-chance that he might be? 87 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,389 - He'd like to meet Michael. - He can't. 88 00:05:58,258 --> 00:06:01,092 I mean, even if he is the father, he's had nothing to do with him. 89 00:06:01,161 --> 00:06:04,427 He says that was less to do with him than Michael's mother. 90 00:06:06,566 --> 00:06:08,558 Does he have any rights? 91 00:06:09,736 --> 00:06:15,039 If his DNA test is positive, then we'd encourage contact. 92 00:06:15,141 --> 00:06:16,837 And where does that leave me? 93 00:06:21,448 --> 00:06:22,643 Yes. 94 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:36,864 I couldn't bear to lose him. 95 00:06:39,366 --> 00:06:42,495 - Does Michael know about this man? - No, I haven't told him yet. 96 00:06:42,569 --> 00:06:44,663 He might not be his father. 97 00:06:45,205 --> 00:06:46,901 I've got a feeling he is. 98 00:06:47,974 --> 00:06:50,205 If he is, you could fight him. 99 00:06:53,947 --> 00:06:55,575 Oh, I feel sick. 100 00:06:57,284 --> 00:06:58,980 You haven't lost him yet. 101 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,382 What should I do, John? 102 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:07,151 How might Michael feel about him? 103 00:07:08,295 --> 00:07:11,424 How would you have felt if your real father had shown up? 104 00:07:17,170 --> 00:07:20,572 My lord, the case we're asking you to set down for trial 105 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,235 is clear and unequivocal. 106 00:07:24,144 --> 00:07:30,641 Under Regulation 12 of the Adoption Agencies Regulations 1983, 107 00:07:30,750 --> 00:07:33,151 it's appended to my skeleton in your bundle, 108 00:07:33,219 --> 00:07:37,816 Rotherwas Council has a duty to provide the adopter, 109 00:07:37,891 --> 00:07:40,087 Mrs Hurst and her husband, 110 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,959 with written information about, among other things, 111 00:07:43,063 --> 00:07:45,294 the personal history of the child. 112 00:07:45,365 --> 00:07:50,303 We would argue that what they left out of the reports on Paul Lawrence, 113 00:07:50,370 --> 00:07:54,603 who was 11 years, eight months at the time, 114 00:07:54,708 --> 00:07:58,372 was deliberately misleading as to his true character. 115 00:07:58,445 --> 00:08:00,209 Do you have evidence that indicates 116 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,478 that the council painted an untrue picture? 117 00:08:03,583 --> 00:08:06,018 Well, we will be seeking Your Lordship's permission 118 00:08:06,086 --> 00:08:07,850 to search the council's database. 119 00:08:07,921 --> 00:08:10,049 So far, they have refused to provide us with the... 120 00:08:10,123 --> 00:08:11,682 No, my lord, to do so 121 00:08:11,791 --> 00:08:14,761 would put the council in breach of the Data Protection Act. 122 00:08:14,861 --> 00:08:16,839 Well, if there is any evidence to support his claim, 123 00:08:16,863 --> 00:08:18,627 the council can't resist it. 124 00:08:18,698 --> 00:08:21,793 The council is protecting some of the most vulnerable members of society 125 00:08:21,901 --> 00:08:23,130 by its refusal. 126 00:08:23,203 --> 00:08:27,299 Let's see if Mr Stafford Clark makes his case first, shall we? 127 00:08:27,374 --> 00:08:29,240 I'd like to hear that. 128 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:33,146 The council's duty was breached first 129 00:08:33,213 --> 00:08:35,808 by an adoption officer, Margaret Tredaway, 130 00:08:35,882 --> 00:08:38,249 concealing information about Paul Lawrence, 131 00:08:38,351 --> 00:08:40,081 second, in destroying it. 132 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:42,849 My lord, counsel for the claimant is offering as fact 133 00:08:42,922 --> 00:08:44,891 that which is merely hypothesis. 134 00:08:44,991 --> 00:08:46,584 He may well have fact. 135 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:48,860 Mr Stafford Clark. 136 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:52,924 Third, my lord, as the result of point two, 137 00:08:53,033 --> 00:08:54,729 Mrs Hurst's 10-year-old daughter 138 00:08:54,801 --> 00:08:57,771 was sexually assaulted by the adopted child. 139 00:08:58,671 --> 00:09:01,436 We would argue that the council could have foreseen this, 140 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:05,171 but did nothing to alert Mrs Hurst and her husband. 141 00:09:05,245 --> 00:09:09,148 If that proves to be the case, it could result in criminal proceedings. 142 00:09:09,215 --> 00:09:12,879 Mrs Hurst didn't lightly enter into this action. 143 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:18,184 Trying her utmost to settle her adopted son has cost her marriage. 144 00:09:18,258 --> 00:09:19,624 Thank you. 145 00:09:26,132 --> 00:09:28,499 How far in is the schoolboy rape case? 146 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:32,369 Oh, Mr Justice Everard is hearing some legal arguments now, Judge. 147 00:09:32,972 --> 00:09:37,034 Mrs Hurst took on a tough nut when she took on that boy. 148 00:09:37,143 --> 00:09:39,374 It's surprising what some people do. 149 00:09:40,213 --> 00:09:43,615 My brother and sister-in-law foster children. 150 00:09:43,683 --> 00:09:45,777 Some of them have stolen money from them, 151 00:09:45,852 --> 00:09:48,913 one attacked them, but still they do it. 152 00:09:49,622 --> 00:09:52,091 It seems Mrs Hurst can't give up on this child, 153 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:53,820 in spite of all he's done. 154 00:09:53,893 --> 00:09:57,489 Well, I don't suppose she can, not after losing her son. 155 00:09:58,898 --> 00:10:01,561 She crashed into a builder's truck, 156 00:10:01,668 --> 00:10:04,968 and a scaffolding pole went through the windscreen 157 00:10:05,071 --> 00:10:06,801 and killed her son. 158 00:10:10,410 --> 00:10:12,242 Mrs Channing, whilst I don't want to turn this 159 00:10:12,345 --> 00:10:14,405 pre-trial hearing into a trial, 160 00:10:14,514 --> 00:10:16,881 there are some questions that I would like answered. 161 00:10:16,983 --> 00:10:18,576 Is there anyone here from the council? 162 00:10:18,651 --> 00:10:20,984 The case officer, Mrs Tredaway. 163 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:22,682 Ah, yes. Would you mind? 164 00:10:25,024 --> 00:10:29,553 Mrs Tredaway, after Mr and Mrs Hurst had established their suitability, 165 00:10:29,662 --> 00:10:32,131 how did you settle on Paul Lawrence? 166 00:10:32,232 --> 00:10:34,963 Through a series of meetings. 167 00:10:35,068 --> 00:10:36,696 Yes, that's clear from the file. 168 00:10:36,769 --> 00:10:39,466 What I mean is how was Paul Lawrence chosen? 169 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:43,307 Well, Mr and Mrs Hurst met a number of children around Paul's age. 170 00:10:43,376 --> 00:10:45,106 They wanted an older child. 171 00:10:45,178 --> 00:10:47,170 And was Paul receptive to them? 172 00:10:47,247 --> 00:10:49,273 No. He was rude. 173 00:10:50,016 --> 00:10:52,076 Mr Hurst wanted to reject him. 174 00:10:52,185 --> 00:10:53,983 But he changed his mind? 175 00:10:54,053 --> 00:10:58,923 I think Mrs Hurst persuaded him to take on the child least likely to be adopted. 176 00:10:59,025 --> 00:11:00,025 Paul. 177 00:11:00,693 --> 00:11:04,323 Did you paint an overly optimistic view of this boy? 178 00:11:05,098 --> 00:11:06,896 We didn't paint any. 179 00:11:06,966 --> 00:11:10,198 His actions said everything. He was hostile from day one. 180 00:11:10,303 --> 00:11:12,135 All right, thank you. 181 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:14,602 Mr Stafford Clark? 182 00:11:14,707 --> 00:11:17,609 Yes, there are some questions, my lord. 183 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:21,439 Mrs Tredaway, how much information was given 184 00:11:21,548 --> 00:11:24,347 to Mrs Hurst and her former husband about this boy? 185 00:11:24,417 --> 00:11:29,082 It's difficult to be precise. Mostly, it was given verbally. 186 00:11:29,889 --> 00:11:33,053 Did anyone minute the meetings? 187 00:11:33,126 --> 00:11:34,992 That doesn't usually happen. 188 00:11:35,528 --> 00:11:38,259 Even though parents are at their most 189 00:11:38,331 --> 00:11:41,563 emotionally vulnerable on such occasions, 190 00:11:41,668 --> 00:11:44,502 you saw no reason to keep a written note? 191 00:11:44,571 --> 00:11:47,063 No. We don't do it that way. 192 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:50,235 So when you indicate you fully informed Mrs Hurst 193 00:11:50,343 --> 00:11:53,609 as to the dangers this boy posed, 194 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:56,376 we only have your word, Mrs Tredaway. 195 00:12:01,588 --> 00:12:02,647 Thank you. 196 00:12:02,755 --> 00:12:04,189 Mrs Channing. 197 00:12:05,892 --> 00:12:09,226 How long have you worked in adoption, Mrs Tredaway? 198 00:12:09,295 --> 00:12:11,059 Eight years. 199 00:12:11,130 --> 00:12:14,100 How many adoptions have you supervised in that time? 200 00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:15,658 About 300. 201 00:12:16,669 --> 00:12:19,662 Before Mr and Mrs Hurst adopted Paul, 202 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:23,005 were you certain they knew what they were taking on? 203 00:12:24,143 --> 00:12:26,339 Mrs Hurst kept pushing for him. 204 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:30,239 It was obvious Paul was very vulnerable, 205 00:12:30,883 --> 00:12:35,617 but having begun the process of choosing him, we felt we couldn't abandon him. 206 00:12:36,689 --> 00:12:40,421 The choosing process is horrible. A sea of appealing faces. 207 00:12:41,327 --> 00:12:44,229 Were you warned by the council that he might be difficult? 208 00:12:44,297 --> 00:12:45,765 Yes. 209 00:12:46,666 --> 00:12:49,226 We felt they almost didn't want to place him. 210 00:12:49,302 --> 00:12:51,134 They seemed to be punishing him. 211 00:12:51,204 --> 00:12:53,105 What was your husband's view? 212 00:12:53,172 --> 00:12:55,801 He thought the council was behaving shamefully. 213 00:12:57,110 --> 00:13:00,308 It was only after Paul came to live with us that he had doubts. 214 00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:01,643 Before the adoption? 215 00:13:01,748 --> 00:13:05,685 Towards the end of the trial period. He thought Paul was too disruptive 216 00:13:06,753 --> 00:13:08,585 and he needed all our attention. 217 00:13:09,222 --> 00:13:11,282 Why did you choose him, Mrs Hurst? 218 00:13:13,259 --> 00:13:15,455 I've asked myself that many times. 219 00:13:16,863 --> 00:13:19,128 I thought he deserved a second chance. 220 00:13:20,099 --> 00:13:23,968 Well, no, not a second chance. He'd never had a chance. 221 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:29,708 Mr Stafford Clark. 222 00:13:31,778 --> 00:13:32,837 Mrs Hurst, 223 00:13:33,946 --> 00:13:37,883 at what point did you invest emotionally in Paul? 224 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:41,284 I'd met him about three times when I knew he was the one. 225 00:13:42,755 --> 00:13:44,917 I felt strangely drawn to him. 226 00:13:45,024 --> 00:13:49,257 At any point in your approach to Paul or during the trial period, 227 00:13:49,729 --> 00:13:54,667 did anyone from the council tell you he posed a danger to your family? 228 00:13:54,734 --> 00:13:56,464 No, no one did. 229 00:13:57,970 --> 00:14:00,940 Isn't it true, Mrs Hurst, you were warned again and again about the boy, 230 00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:02,737 but went ahead anyway? 231 00:14:02,809 --> 00:14:06,143 People were negative and hurtful about Paul. 232 00:14:06,212 --> 00:14:08,613 Never once did they say he was dangerous. 233 00:14:09,549 --> 00:14:13,884 Didn't Mrs Tredaway say to you on your fifth visit with Paul, 234 00:14:13,986 --> 00:14:18,822 and I quote, "He could cause your family a great deal of grief"? 235 00:14:20,393 --> 00:14:22,328 I don't recall her saying that. 236 00:14:23,663 --> 00:14:25,495 Perhaps you didn't want to hear the warnings. 237 00:14:25,565 --> 00:14:28,296 I wanted to give Paul a chance in life. 238 00:14:29,135 --> 00:14:31,627 They never seemed to want him to have that. 239 00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:35,934 This is painful for you, Mrs Hurst, 240 00:14:37,076 --> 00:14:41,104 but it's likely to get more painful if it goes to a full hearing. 241 00:14:42,982 --> 00:14:45,679 Mr Stafford Clark, I am going to allow the claimant 242 00:14:45,785 --> 00:14:48,152 limited access to the council's database 243 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:50,884 and I will have this matter back here in one week. 244 00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:52,049 All rise. 245 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:55,528 Go, tackle him. 246 00:14:57,430 --> 00:15:00,832 What makes a woman want to take on the likes of Paul Lawrence? 247 00:15:01,868 --> 00:15:03,302 Isn't the argument about whether 248 00:15:03,369 --> 00:15:06,771 the report gave a more optimistic picture than was true? 249 00:15:06,873 --> 00:15:09,775 The picture the council painted wasn't that optimistic. 250 00:15:09,876 --> 00:15:11,105 Mmm. 251 00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:14,705 It could be that Vivienne Hurst feels guilty about the loss of her son. 252 00:15:14,781 --> 00:15:18,240 She may have picked the most difficult child to adopt to punish herself. 253 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:20,445 She punished the whole family then. 254 00:15:21,487 --> 00:15:24,423 Perhaps subconsciously she wanted to destroy them all. 255 00:15:25,224 --> 00:15:28,524 - It's a very dangerous course to take. - Mmm. 256 00:15:38,704 --> 00:15:40,764 How's your sabbatical going? 257 00:15:41,507 --> 00:15:43,533 I'm taking on Alan Ferns. 258 00:15:44,877 --> 00:15:47,346 You do know that I'm hearing it, don't you? 259 00:15:48,848 --> 00:15:51,181 I can live with that if you can. 260 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:56,186 Won't taking on more work prejudice your chances with Michael? 261 00:15:58,558 --> 00:15:59,558 - Yes! - Ah! 262 00:16:01,994 --> 00:16:03,986 Well done! Good shot! 263 00:16:06,332 --> 00:16:10,565 Jo, the CPS has asked me to make Alan Ferns an offer, 264 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:12,639 against my advice, I have to say. 265 00:16:12,705 --> 00:16:15,470 They'll accept a plea of guilty to manslaughter. 266 00:16:15,541 --> 00:16:17,567 Has the CCTV footage faded? 267 00:16:17,677 --> 00:16:20,545 No, nor has the jury's dislike of nonces. 268 00:16:21,948 --> 00:16:23,814 I'll see what he says. 269 00:16:26,118 --> 00:16:29,213 Manslaughter should mean another 15 years in prison. 270 00:16:29,288 --> 00:16:32,816 As your lawyer, I have to advise you this is a good offer. 271 00:16:32,892 --> 00:16:35,191 Well, you know what public feeling is. 272 00:16:35,394 --> 00:16:37,386 The Sun called Baylis a monster. 273 00:16:37,930 --> 00:16:39,330 So I think I'll take my chances 274 00:16:39,432 --> 00:16:42,459 with the ordinary men and women on the jury, Mrs Mills. 275 00:16:42,869 --> 00:16:43,869 Thank you. 276 00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:45,969 Stand up, please. 277 00:16:47,139 --> 00:16:49,802 Alan Peter Ferns, 278 00:16:49,909 --> 00:16:53,937 to the charge of the murder of Barry Baylis, 279 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,778 how do you plead, guilty or not guilty? 280 00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:58,377 Not guilty. 281 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:00,350 Sit down. 282 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:06,049 What exactly is your defence, Mrs Mills? 283 00:17:06,158 --> 00:17:08,718 Prevention of crime, my lord, a pre-emptive strike. 284 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:11,657 I don't see how. 285 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:17,937 The victim was in prison. I believe there is CCTV footage of the entire act. 286 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:21,872 Perhaps I should make the court aware that the Crown has indicated 287 00:17:21,941 --> 00:17:24,911 that it might accept a plea to a lesser alternative. 288 00:17:24,977 --> 00:17:26,878 Which my client won't accept. 289 00:17:27,947 --> 00:17:31,247 - You pointed out the advantages? - He sees only disadvantages. 290 00:17:31,918 --> 00:17:32,977 Thank you. 291 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:35,952 You realise that you risk a life sentence 292 00:17:36,022 --> 00:17:38,150 if you're found guilty of murder, Mr Ferns? 293 00:17:38,224 --> 00:17:39,556 Yes, I do, sir. 294 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:43,129 If you run this, I am going to have to tell the jury 295 00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:45,198 what the limitations of such a defence are. 296 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,824 Everyone has the right to a defence, my lord. 297 00:17:48,634 --> 00:17:49,634 Thank you. 298 00:17:49,702 --> 00:17:51,762 Why don't you try diminished responsibility? 299 00:17:51,871 --> 00:17:53,863 Mr Ferns knew what he was doing. 300 00:17:55,107 --> 00:17:59,306 Prevention of a crime can only apply if the victim, Baylis, 301 00:18:00,112 --> 00:18:04,812 was threatening to kill or seriously injure someone and that threat was real. 302 00:18:08,888 --> 00:18:10,982 That's the defence we're running. 303 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,484 Fine. Let's swear the jury. 304 00:18:16,028 --> 00:18:17,997 Alan Ferns, the defendant, 305 00:18:18,064 --> 00:18:21,626 killed Barry Baylis, a security executive. 306 00:18:21,701 --> 00:18:25,433 This, ladies and gentlemen, is an indisputable fact. 307 00:18:25,504 --> 00:18:28,872 The whole act was captured on a CCTV camera 308 00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:32,673 in the prison where the deceased man was serving a three-month sentence. 309 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:36,415 The prosecution's contention 310 00:18:36,515 --> 00:18:40,179 is that the defendant, Alan Ferns, planned this killing 311 00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:43,984 in the most cold and calculating of ways. 312 00:18:44,991 --> 00:18:47,790 He didn't attack Baylis in the heat of the moment. 313 00:18:48,728 --> 00:18:51,129 It was entirely premeditated. 314 00:18:52,932 --> 00:18:54,491 With your leave, my lord, 315 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,440 I'd like to make an opening address to the jury 316 00:18:56,502 --> 00:18:58,903 to explain the issues at the outset. 317 00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:04,968 This is not usual, Mrs Mills, but I'll allow it in these unusual circumstances. 318 00:19:07,947 --> 00:19:09,643 At the time of the killing, 319 00:19:09,749 --> 00:19:13,413 Mr Ferns was at the end of a seven-year prison sentence for assault. 320 00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:17,412 He'd taken the law into his own hands and attacked a paedophile. 321 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:21,356 This was a crime for which Mr Ferns freely admitted guilt, 322 00:19:21,427 --> 00:19:22,986 though he'd shown no remorse, 323 00:19:23,062 --> 00:19:26,499 which was why he served all of the seven years of his sentence. 324 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:29,934 Mr Ferns only had one day left to serve. 325 00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:32,233 One day before his release. 326 00:19:33,939 --> 00:19:35,737 I'm telling you this, ladies and gentlemen, 327 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:38,208 because I want you to know what was at stake for Mr Ferns 328 00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:41,576 when he felt compelled to kill Mr Baylis. 329 00:19:42,915 --> 00:19:47,615 What is at issue here is whether or not he was justified in doing this. 330 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:52,458 Mr Baylis had been given only a three-month prison sentence 331 00:19:52,558 --> 00:19:55,858 because he failed to produce the hard drive of his computer 332 00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:59,090 during his trial for sexual abuse of a nine-year-old. 333 00:20:00,433 --> 00:20:05,098 In the past five years, Baylis had been arrested no less than eight times 334 00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:07,106 for offences against children. 335 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,467 On each occasion, he had evaded prosecution. 336 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:14,375 Nothing, it seemed, would stop Mr Baylis 337 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,848 in his pathological pursuit of young children. 338 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:20,943 Not the police, the courts, 339 00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:24,388 nor the ludicrously short prison sentence he had received. 340 00:20:25,624 --> 00:20:27,684 Mr Ferns acted as he did 341 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,394 to prevent others being preyed upon. 342 00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:33,331 Come on in. 343 00:20:40,673 --> 00:20:43,108 You've got some news for me about Michael's alleged father? 344 00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:44,302 Yeah. 345 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:48,604 His DNA test was positive. 346 00:20:51,517 --> 00:20:54,214 And now I'm supposed to bow out of Michael's life? 347 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,448 Well, Michael should meet him first. 348 00:20:57,490 --> 00:20:58,685 How long is he here? 349 00:20:58,791 --> 00:21:01,158 I think that depends on how Michael responds to him. 350 00:21:01,227 --> 00:21:03,924 - If he doesn't like him? - I suspect he'll leave. 351 00:21:06,665 --> 00:21:08,395 Does he have a family? 352 00:21:08,467 --> 00:21:11,699 Two teenage sons. They live with him in Cape Town. 353 00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:17,534 He's called Marc Thompson, 46, divorced, cardiovascular surgeon. 354 00:21:19,311 --> 00:21:21,871 Would you like me to broach the subject with Michael? 355 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,644 I'd like to meet Mr Thompson first. Give him my number. 356 00:21:28,420 --> 00:21:30,548 How's it looking for Paul Lawrence? 357 00:21:30,856 --> 00:21:32,188 Not good. 358 00:21:33,592 --> 00:21:35,390 His adoptive mother claims 359 00:21:35,461 --> 00:21:38,625 that the council failed to disclose his full history. 360 00:21:38,697 --> 00:21:42,293 Well, they're arguing that the teacher consented. 361 00:21:43,068 --> 00:21:45,037 I don't see it myself. 362 00:21:46,105 --> 00:21:48,074 Mrs Hurst given evidence? 363 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:50,132 You know, she's in court every day. 364 00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:54,111 You know, I really don't see why anyone would take this boy. 365 00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:58,248 He's 13, John, he scares me half to death. 366 00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:01,510 - Would you mind if I sat in? - No, by all means. 367 00:22:02,755 --> 00:22:04,417 Your legal position is not good. 368 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:06,550 Michael's father could fight you for custody. 369 00:22:06,625 --> 00:22:08,787 The Judge is going to be delayed by about half an hour. 370 00:22:08,861 --> 00:22:11,797 - I'll come and find you when he's ready. - Thank you. 371 00:22:12,398 --> 00:22:14,333 - Tea? - Yeah, go on. 372 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:19,770 Paul Lawrence had been in and out of care 373 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:22,331 since his grandmother's death when he was three years old. 374 00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:24,376 How did Paul's grandmother die? 375 00:22:24,743 --> 00:22:27,804 She was murdered by another drug addict who tried to steal her drugs. 376 00:22:27,913 --> 00:22:30,382 What effect do you think this might have had on Paul? 377 00:22:30,482 --> 00:22:34,146 My lord, this witness is not qualified to answer that. 378 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:37,384 I'd like to hear his answer all the same. 379 00:22:37,456 --> 00:22:40,824 I'd say that was probably the start of all his violent anti-social behaviour. 380 00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:44,660 What evidence is there of this anti-social behaviour? 381 00:22:45,331 --> 00:22:47,596 He was uncontrollable at school. 382 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,427 He displayed sexually predatory behaviour both there 383 00:22:51,503 --> 00:22:53,904 and to female members of foster parents' families. 384 00:22:53,973 --> 00:22:56,306 There's no reference to this in the council's reports. 385 00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:58,674 I certainly told colleagues about him. 386 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:03,543 If this boy was as dangerous as you say, why would anyone adopt him? 387 00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:06,550 I think his parents were terribly brave. 388 00:23:08,821 --> 00:23:12,053 - I'm looking for Mrs Mills. - She's there. 389 00:23:12,157 --> 00:23:13,625 All right. Thanks. 390 00:23:13,692 --> 00:23:15,661 They haven't gone awry yet, Jo. 391 00:23:16,962 --> 00:23:20,126 Sitting as a circuit judge would stabilise your life. 392 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:21,928 I'm not saying it would help much. 393 00:23:22,034 --> 00:23:24,833 Excuse me. Mrs Mills? I'm Marc Thompson. 394 00:23:25,504 --> 00:23:28,668 Em, Mrs Tredaway from the council said I should contact you. 395 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:30,369 I did telephone your clerk. 396 00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:33,674 Who told you I'm in the middle of a murder trial. Excuse me. 397 00:23:43,722 --> 00:23:46,658 Jo, it's not for me to interfere... 398 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,194 - He's Michael's father. - I guessed as much. 399 00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:52,895 How long will you be able to avoid him? 400 00:23:55,134 --> 00:23:56,864 I know, it's stupid of me. 401 00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:04,576 Mr Thompson? 402 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,672 I must apologise for my behaviour. I'm sorry. 403 00:24:10,182 --> 00:24:12,083 Well, it must have been a big shock. 404 00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:13,151 Well... 405 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,352 Would you like a cup of tea? 406 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:18,981 If it won't make you late. 407 00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:20,686 We haven't started yet. 408 00:24:26,598 --> 00:24:28,726 Michael's doing very well at school. 409 00:24:28,834 --> 00:24:32,862 Yes, the social services told me he's very bright. 410 00:24:36,108 --> 00:24:39,101 - I've grown very fond of him. - Yes, I can see that. 411 00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:42,939 Perhaps I should leave well alone. 412 00:24:43,015 --> 00:24:45,780 You're his father. He has to know. 413 00:24:49,221 --> 00:24:51,554 His mother made no attempt to contact me. 414 00:24:51,623 --> 00:24:54,593 - Did she know where you were? - I wasn't hard to find. 415 00:24:54,793 --> 00:24:56,762 Perhaps because you were married? 416 00:25:01,934 --> 00:25:03,926 She and Michael were very close. 417 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:11,310 Do you think that my being here will upset him? 418 00:25:11,377 --> 00:25:13,221 When you've lost the person who was the centre of your life, 419 00:25:13,245 --> 00:25:15,077 breathing upsets you. 420 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:20,350 What we have to assess is what's in Michael's best long-term interests. 421 00:25:20,419 --> 00:25:22,388 Have you reached any conclusion? 422 00:25:25,924 --> 00:25:27,790 I think he ought to at least meet you. 423 00:25:30,496 --> 00:25:33,261 Mr Sweeney, during the course of your duties, 424 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:35,994 had you been able to get close to Alan Ferns? 425 00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:37,934 Yes. He was quite friendly. 426 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:39,247 Why didn't you come and get me? 427 00:25:39,271 --> 00:25:42,469 Clive did. He said you were deep in conversation. 428 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,374 What was the defendant's state of mind 429 00:25:46,478 --> 00:25:48,970 prior to the death of Mr Baylis? 430 00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:51,346 Perfectly calm. Lucid. 431 00:25:51,417 --> 00:25:54,512 We'd been talking about his second degree he'd just got. 432 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:57,756 Was he agitated or emotional? 433 00:25:57,823 --> 00:26:01,282 No. He was calm, looking forward to his release. 434 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,223 Thank you, Mr Sweeney. 435 00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:11,635 Did he talk about what he'd do after his release? 436 00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:14,571 He was going to work for the charity he'd started. 437 00:26:14,673 --> 00:26:17,666 Did you know what Mr Ferns was serving his sentence for? 438 00:26:17,743 --> 00:26:19,507 Beating up a paedophile. 439 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:22,878 Was it sensible letting a paedophile near Mr Ferns? 440 00:26:22,948 --> 00:26:26,976 My lord, the allegations against the victim in this case were never proven. 441 00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:31,581 For all we know, Mr Baylis was never successfully prosecuted for child abuse 442 00:26:31,657 --> 00:26:33,626 because he was wholly innocent. 443 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,194 Remind us what Mr Baylis' sentence was. 444 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:38,429 Er... 445 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:40,660 Three months, my lord. 446 00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:42,997 - Thank you. - For perverting the course of justice. 447 00:26:43,068 --> 00:26:45,867 The main case against him collapsed. 448 00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:52,267 Mrs Mills is free to speculate on whether or not Baylis was a paedophile. 449 00:26:52,344 --> 00:26:56,907 But since he was never convicted, it remains only speculation. 450 00:26:57,883 --> 00:26:58,942 Mrs Mills. 451 00:27:00,552 --> 00:27:03,920 Did Mr Ferns comment on the puny sentence Baylis received? 452 00:27:03,989 --> 00:27:06,356 He was outraged. We all were. 453 00:27:06,425 --> 00:27:09,224 Did the defendant make any threats about Mr Baylis? 454 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:11,388 He said someone ought to top him. 455 00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:13,955 Did he seem fearful of Baylis getting out of prison? 456 00:27:14,032 --> 00:27:16,024 He was pretty wound up about it. 457 00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:20,002 He'd got a lot of information about what Baylis had done to children. 458 00:27:20,739 --> 00:27:23,174 Did he ever speak about his own childhood? 459 00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:24,875 Not really. 460 00:27:25,511 --> 00:27:29,380 Word was he'd been sexually abused by his mother's boyfriend. 461 00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:34,120 Were you surprised at Mr Ferns killing Mr Baylis? 462 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:35,548 I can't say I was. 463 00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:37,715 Despite it being the day before his release? 464 00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:40,224 He believed Baylis and his kind had to be stopped. 465 00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:42,817 Stopped from abusing children. 466 00:27:42,895 --> 00:27:43,988 My lord. 467 00:27:45,464 --> 00:27:48,559 Mrs Mills, would you care to rephrase your statement? 468 00:27:48,634 --> 00:27:50,330 No, I don't think I would. 469 00:27:56,842 --> 00:28:00,279 I would like you to disregard defence counsel's last statement. 470 00:28:00,946 --> 00:28:04,348 It is incumbent upon counsel to ask questions, 471 00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:06,214 not make statements. 472 00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:15,585 Do you ever think about your father, Michael? 473 00:28:17,563 --> 00:28:20,499 Sometimes, when the other dads come to school. 474 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:26,596 Do you wonder what he's like? 475 00:28:26,672 --> 00:28:28,538 I don't have a father. 476 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:35,911 I met him today. 477 00:28:35,981 --> 00:28:37,176 He's very nice. 478 00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:41,883 He's been living in South Africa. He didn't know about you. 479 00:28:42,821 --> 00:28:45,222 Mum said I don't. 480 00:28:45,958 --> 00:28:49,360 Well, perhaps she didn't tell you because she wasn't sure of him. 481 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,964 I've got to do cello practice. 482 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:10,178 Michael, can we talk? 483 00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:14,416 - I have to practise. - You can practise later. 484 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,181 I have to do my homework. 485 00:29:23,028 --> 00:29:27,056 Sweetheart, sometimes grown-ups don't tell children things 486 00:29:27,165 --> 00:29:29,566 because they want to protect them. 487 00:29:29,635 --> 00:29:31,467 Why didn't he come and get me? 488 00:29:32,404 --> 00:29:34,873 He didn't know anything about you till now. 489 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:36,636 Do I have to go with him? 490 00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:38,938 Would you like to meet him? 491 00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:41,946 - No. I don't like him. - On what evidence? 492 00:29:42,047 --> 00:29:44,692 If you're going to be a barrister, you have to learn to assess the evidence. 493 00:29:44,716 --> 00:29:46,685 I don't want to be a barrister. 494 00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:49,316 I don't blame you. 495 00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:08,037 What's his name? 496 00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:10,503 Is it curiosity 497 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:13,240 or are you assembling evidence? 498 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,477 It's Marc Thompson. He's a surgeon. 499 00:30:19,551 --> 00:30:22,988 - But I'm not called Thompson. - No, you've got your mum's name. 500 00:30:23,522 --> 00:30:24,922 He seems very nice. 501 00:30:25,624 --> 00:30:27,058 Will you marry him? 502 00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:31,420 That might solve problems for you. It wouldn't for me. 503 00:30:33,865 --> 00:30:35,629 Because you love the Judge? 504 00:30:36,868 --> 00:30:38,097 Maybe. 505 00:30:40,038 --> 00:30:42,439 We could meet your dad somewhere for tea. 506 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:46,243 Sergeant Martin, were you the detective 507 00:30:46,311 --> 00:30:50,043 who led the investigation into the murder of Mr Baylis? 508 00:30:50,115 --> 00:30:52,949 Yes. It was an open-and-shut case. 509 00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:55,749 The whole thing was acted out on a CCTV camera. 510 00:30:55,821 --> 00:30:57,551 Can we see that, Mr Usher? 511 00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:02,926 Some of you may find this disturbing, ladies and gentlemen. 512 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:38,456 Is this the tape that was removed from the camera following the killing? 513 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:41,032 - Yes, it is. - Thank you. 514 00:31:43,802 --> 00:31:46,237 Was the victim known to the police, Sergeant? 515 00:31:46,304 --> 00:31:49,468 He had been under investigation a number of times. 516 00:31:49,541 --> 00:31:53,273 Isn't it true that he'd been in court no less than eight times 517 00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:56,577 - for indecent assaults on children? - Yes, he was. 518 00:31:57,182 --> 00:32:00,414 - My lord... - Each time he managed to escape justice. 519 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:01,543 Really, my lord. 520 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:04,556 Yes, all right. Mrs Mills, this is not a proper line. 521 00:32:04,623 --> 00:32:06,990 The victim of Mr Ferns' attack is not on trial. 522 00:32:07,058 --> 00:32:09,425 No, my lord, that's the whole point. He should have been. 523 00:32:09,528 --> 00:32:12,039 If it wasn't for his escaping justice, my client wouldn't be here. 524 00:32:12,063 --> 00:32:13,827 Mrs Mills, enough. 525 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,231 Now, I take it you have no more questions. 526 00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:19,999 No, my lord. 527 00:32:20,806 --> 00:32:22,502 Mr Norwalk, do you want to come back? 528 00:32:22,607 --> 00:32:24,235 No. Thank you, my lord. 529 00:32:24,643 --> 00:32:26,354 Thank you, Detective Sergeant. You can step down. 530 00:32:26,378 --> 00:32:27,471 Thank you. 531 00:32:29,981 --> 00:32:32,610 The Crown would like to call Dr Margot Lupton. 532 00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:37,347 Dr Lupton is a clinical psychologist who examined the defendant 533 00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:41,917 prior to and subsequent to his killing Mr Baylis. 534 00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:45,529 Over what period did you examine the defendant? 535 00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:48,162 On and off over four years. 536 00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:50,293 And did you reach any conclusions? 537 00:32:51,203 --> 00:32:57,268 Mr Ferns is intelligent, articulate, capable of grasping abstract concepts. 538 00:32:58,443 --> 00:33:02,039 He's highly opinionated, somewhat bigoted, 539 00:33:02,113 --> 00:33:05,140 has a strong need to always be right. 540 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:08,277 And did you describe him in one of your reports 541 00:33:08,353 --> 00:33:12,154 as having a pathological need for revenge? 542 00:33:12,557 --> 00:33:14,423 Yes, I did observe that. 543 00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:17,428 And what was the basis of this observation? 544 00:33:17,963 --> 00:33:21,491 He was serially sexually abused as a child and as a result 545 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,560 feels he has an absolute right to inflict punishment on paedophiles. 546 00:33:25,637 --> 00:33:29,938 And would this justification have extended to Barry Baylis? 547 00:33:30,041 --> 00:33:32,738 Mr Baylis would have fitted entirely the model 548 00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,245 Alan Ferns needed to avenge himself on. 549 00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:39,179 Even though he had not been convicted of child abuse? 550 00:33:39,651 --> 00:33:42,883 Well, that in a sense made him a more suitable target. 551 00:33:42,954 --> 00:33:48,621 In Mr Ferns' eyes, the law had failed to punish Baylis, so he had to. 552 00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:51,459 Thank you. 553 00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:57,461 You don't like Mr Ferns. 554 00:33:58,069 --> 00:33:59,799 I don't think that's true. 555 00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:03,536 Well, then look at item 37 in your bundle, 556 00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,170 your report on Mr Ferns over a four-year period. 557 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:13,045 "An arrogant egoist who always has to have the last word." 558 00:34:14,085 --> 00:34:16,281 It's true. That's how he is. 559 00:34:16,788 --> 00:34:20,589 "Always using his intellect to belittle me in group sessions." 560 00:34:21,326 --> 00:34:22,658 He does do that. 561 00:34:23,361 --> 00:34:24,939 Isn't it true that Alan Ferns' intellect 562 00:34:24,963 --> 00:34:28,195 put him and you on a dangerous collision course? 563 00:34:28,266 --> 00:34:32,101 I think he uses his intellect to mask the pain he's feeling. 564 00:34:32,203 --> 00:34:34,638 Did he ever talk about the pain he was feeling? 565 00:34:34,706 --> 00:34:37,266 Not really. It was too deeply buried. 566 00:34:37,342 --> 00:34:40,471 Could it be that he had worked through that pain and overcome it? 567 00:34:40,545 --> 00:34:42,104 I don't think he did. 568 00:34:42,781 --> 00:34:45,751 The pain merely manifested itself in fantasy. 569 00:34:46,551 --> 00:34:49,111 He would act out those fantasies 570 00:34:49,187 --> 00:34:53,022 through his Mr Right personality, correcting injustices in the world. 571 00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:57,020 Killing Mr Baylis was part of that fantasy. 572 00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:00,430 He did so with premeditation 573 00:35:00,532 --> 00:35:03,969 in the clear belief that he was right to do so. 574 00:35:04,436 --> 00:35:07,235 This is a man who, despite his background, 575 00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:08,739 managed to study and get 576 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,400 two first-class law degrees whilst in prison. 577 00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:14,236 Is that indicative of someone who hasn't overcome 578 00:35:14,312 --> 00:35:17,043 the incapacitating traumas of his childhood? 579 00:35:17,716 --> 00:35:20,515 It is my belief that he'd overcome little 580 00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:24,889 because he still harbours vengeful feelings towards paedophiles. 581 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:29,951 Could he not have been so overwhelmed by a sense of injustice that he had to act 582 00:35:30,028 --> 00:35:33,863 because he thought the man so dangerous he had to be stopped? 583 00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:37,359 That is a delusion he operated under. 584 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:39,770 "I am right." 585 00:35:40,205 --> 00:35:42,834 Isn't that what you're doing with your opinion? 586 00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:46,742 Mrs Mills, Dr Lupton is an expert witness. 587 00:35:47,512 --> 00:35:50,949 Her observations are given based on her qualifications and experience. 588 00:35:51,049 --> 00:35:53,848 Yes, formed as a result of a personality clash 589 00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:56,080 where she wanted to appear superior. 590 00:35:59,224 --> 00:36:01,090 Mrs Mills, the Judge wants a word. 591 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,424 - Me too, Mrs Cooper? - No, just Mrs Mills. 592 00:36:03,528 --> 00:36:05,539 I can't. I'm rushing to meet Michael's father with Michael. 593 00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:07,327 I can't be late. I'm sorry. 594 00:36:10,802 --> 00:36:12,168 Michael's father? 595 00:36:13,071 --> 00:36:15,199 Is he the dark-haired man who was with her in court? 596 00:36:15,273 --> 00:36:16,935 I didn't notice him, Judge. 597 00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:18,908 No, he's not very noticeable. 598 00:36:20,879 --> 00:36:22,848 Do you want Mrs Hurst back tomorrow? 599 00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:27,046 Yes, please. Would you tell the parties involved? 600 00:36:34,125 --> 00:36:36,594 He's got two children. They live in Cape Town. 601 00:36:36,661 --> 00:36:38,027 How nice. 602 00:36:38,129 --> 00:36:41,429 Now I don't know much about Cape Town, but he seems terribly nice. 603 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:45,026 - What if he doesn't like me? - It's not possible, Michael. 604 00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:48,039 - How do you know? - Some things you just know. 605 00:36:48,106 --> 00:36:50,803 On the other hand, you might not like him. 606 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:52,802 In which case, we'll run. 607 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,877 Thank you. Thanks. 608 00:37:04,122 --> 00:37:05,666 Right, you're sure you don't want tea, Michael? 609 00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:07,784 - That's okay. - He does tend to drink water. 610 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:10,225 It's fine. I want water. 611 00:37:10,328 --> 00:37:11,421 Okay. 612 00:37:12,597 --> 00:37:14,429 Oh, well, can you manage the top? 613 00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:16,558 - Yeah. - Okay. Yeah. Thanks. 614 00:37:20,672 --> 00:37:21,765 Thank you. 615 00:37:23,441 --> 00:37:24,500 What's your best subject? 616 00:37:24,609 --> 00:37:25,872 I like maths best. 617 00:37:25,944 --> 00:37:28,436 Oh, well, that was my favourite subject. 618 00:37:29,214 --> 00:37:30,842 Was it your best? 619 00:37:31,983 --> 00:37:35,476 No. No, physics was my best subject. 620 00:37:35,887 --> 00:37:39,085 We don't do physics until the big school. 621 00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:42,125 Well, maybe I didn't till my big school. 622 00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:47,194 - Why did you become a surgeon? - I'm not sure. 623 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:49,530 I hated dissection at school. 624 00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:51,593 Always thought it was cruel and pointless. 625 00:37:51,669 --> 00:37:52,967 So did I. 626 00:37:53,404 --> 00:37:56,431 I ran out of class when they started cutting up frogs. 627 00:37:56,508 --> 00:37:57,874 Did they use real animals? 628 00:37:57,942 --> 00:37:59,604 Oh, yeah, that's what they were. 629 00:37:59,677 --> 00:38:01,043 What did your teacher say? 630 00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:03,980 I made such a fuss, they stopped using the animals. 631 00:38:04,082 --> 00:38:07,314 Good for you. I like people who stand up for their beliefs. 632 00:38:08,586 --> 00:38:11,920 Mum and I went on a protest march against hospital cuts. 633 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:13,754 Was Mum active politically? 634 00:38:14,492 --> 00:38:17,360 - I don't know. - But you went on demonstrations? 635 00:38:17,428 --> 00:38:18,794 Sometimes we did. 636 00:38:19,764 --> 00:38:21,733 Did you do everything together? 637 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:25,293 I don't like this. 638 00:38:25,403 --> 00:38:28,237 - Would you like something else? - No, it's all right. 639 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:31,105 - You don't have to be so polite. - I know I don't. 640 00:38:34,813 --> 00:38:36,805 You're very forthright, Michael. 641 00:38:37,248 --> 00:38:39,183 Is that good or bad? 642 00:38:39,851 --> 00:38:43,151 I'd... I'd say it was good, mostly. 643 00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:56,194 Under water? 644 00:38:57,969 --> 00:39:00,097 I'm just gonna... I'll see you in a minute, okay? 645 00:39:00,205 --> 00:39:01,400 Yeah. 646 00:39:10,415 --> 00:39:12,316 - He is bright. - Mmm-hmm. 647 00:39:12,383 --> 00:39:15,046 - He'll make a great barrister. - Oh, is that what he wants to do? 648 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,554 He talked about it when his mum was alive. 649 00:39:18,723 --> 00:39:20,157 Did she suffer much? 650 00:39:21,092 --> 00:39:23,027 She didn't complain if she did. 651 00:39:26,664 --> 00:39:28,963 You're very coping, taking on Michael. 652 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:32,299 It's not hard to see why you've grown so fond of him. 653 00:39:33,071 --> 00:39:36,041 I wish Mimi was here. It's more fun with her. 654 00:39:36,975 --> 00:39:38,603 Why? Who's Mimi? Your daughter? 655 00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:41,510 No. She's a dog. She belongs to the Judge. 656 00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:44,976 Is he someone special? 657 00:39:45,083 --> 00:39:46,779 He was my pupil master. 658 00:39:47,585 --> 00:39:49,554 Is there something between you? 659 00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:54,517 You said Michael was quite forthright. So are you, Marc. 660 00:40:17,649 --> 00:40:19,174 Night-night, Michael. 661 00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:32,224 He went right back to sleep. 662 00:40:39,237 --> 00:40:41,832 Thank you for making our meeting so enjoyable. 663 00:40:42,006 --> 00:40:46,637 Well, I expected it to take place in the council offices, with time running out, 664 00:40:46,711 --> 00:40:50,307 and Michael having got no impression of me or me of him. 665 00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:52,577 What impression do you have? 666 00:40:57,655 --> 00:41:00,523 When I went to pay the bill at the hotel, 667 00:41:00,591 --> 00:41:02,219 I watched you together. 668 00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:07,189 And you were so caught up in your world, I thought I could never find a way in. 669 00:41:07,265 --> 00:41:09,234 I should have just left. 670 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:12,437 It might be hard to now. 671 00:41:14,772 --> 00:41:17,298 Why didn't you make things work for Diana Hulsey? 672 00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:19,434 She badly needed someone. 673 00:41:23,047 --> 00:41:24,310 I was... 674 00:41:25,817 --> 00:41:28,582 I was struggling with my own marriage at the time. 675 00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:33,954 And just as you think you've turned one corner in your life, 676 00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:37,326 you realise what corners you've missed. 677 00:41:40,231 --> 00:41:41,756 I'd better go. 678 00:41:42,467 --> 00:41:44,060 Are you coming back? 679 00:41:45,636 --> 00:41:47,366 Do you want me to? 680 00:41:50,575 --> 00:41:53,409 It'll be hurtful for Michael if you don't. 681 00:41:54,545 --> 00:41:55,808 Can we have lunch tomorrow? 682 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,941 - Be a sandwich at court. - Can I watch you again? 683 00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:00,280 It's a public court. 684 00:42:04,922 --> 00:42:06,914 Mrs Mills, the Judge is going to be late. 685 00:42:06,991 --> 00:42:09,859 - He's got something else on the list. - Thank you, Mrs Cooper. 686 00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:13,227 He'd like you and Mr Norwalk to join him for lunch at the lodgings. 687 00:42:13,297 --> 00:42:16,699 Oh, I'm sorry, I have a lunch date with Michael's father. 688 00:42:16,801 --> 00:42:18,292 I'll tell him. 689 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:23,906 All rise. 690 00:42:30,114 --> 00:42:32,481 Mr Stafford Clark, 691 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,317 did the council's database reveal anything interesting? 692 00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:38,822 Well, we didn't find a smoking gun. 693 00:42:39,724 --> 00:42:42,455 But we still argue that Mrs Hurst 694 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,395 was not told the full extent of her son's background. 695 00:42:46,464 --> 00:42:48,695 My lord, this is not a sustainable position. 696 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,292 The fact is the council revealed all that was necessary. 697 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:55,897 Mrs Channing, when a child as damaged as Paul Lawrence is put up for adoption, 698 00:42:56,007 --> 00:42:59,239 the council should be as open as it can be 699 00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:03,475 in reporting to prospective parents the details of his personality. 700 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,175 Mr Stafford Clark. 701 00:43:06,284 --> 00:43:12,155 It is our contention that the council negligently withheld information. 702 00:43:12,223 --> 00:43:18,390 Telling a parent that her son is a liar, a thief and a potential rapist 703 00:43:18,463 --> 00:43:20,762 is a very different matter from telling a stranger. 704 00:43:20,832 --> 00:43:24,633 The stranger's judgement would obviously be harsher. 705 00:43:25,303 --> 00:43:27,704 By the time Mrs Hurst had received 706 00:43:27,805 --> 00:43:30,832 the majority of the information on Paul Lawrence, 707 00:43:30,908 --> 00:43:35,642 she had formed such a bond with him as to be his de facto parent. 708 00:43:36,581 --> 00:43:41,212 This was brought about by deception on the part of Mrs Tredaway. 709 00:43:43,988 --> 00:43:47,425 To call releasing information piecemeal a deception 710 00:43:47,525 --> 00:43:49,790 is both emotive and unhelpful. 711 00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:54,362 The first duty the council has is to protect the child up for adoption. 712 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,501 When two adults wish to adopt, 713 00:43:57,602 --> 00:44:00,436 the council helps them decide on a child. 714 00:44:00,505 --> 00:44:04,909 In this particular case, the parents were steered away from Paul Lawrence. 715 00:44:05,009 --> 00:44:08,946 To quote Lady Justice Hale in the Essex case, 716 00:44:09,046 --> 00:44:11,709 "The agency for adoption has a duty of care 717 00:44:11,782 --> 00:44:14,718 "in respect of what information should be passed on. 718 00:44:15,219 --> 00:44:18,383 "It must at least have a policy on divulging information. 719 00:44:18,823 --> 00:44:20,758 "But, clearly, it may be appropriate 720 00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:24,057 "to depart from that policy in individual cases, 721 00:44:24,162 --> 00:44:27,462 "withholding information which would otherwise be given. 722 00:44:27,932 --> 00:44:31,892 "That decision might well be made on the advice of the adoption panel." 723 00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:35,340 Was the decision made after such advice, Mrs Channing? 724 00:44:35,606 --> 00:44:37,472 - It was, my lord. - Mmm. 725 00:44:39,744 --> 00:44:41,838 Either way, Mrs Hurst seems to have suffered greatly 726 00:44:41,913 --> 00:44:44,144 from her involvement with this child. 727 00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:47,443 I will adjourn to consider my ruling. 728 00:44:47,518 --> 00:44:50,750 My clerk will inform you when I've arrived at it. 729 00:44:52,423 --> 00:44:54,119 All rise. 730 00:44:57,929 --> 00:44:59,439 JO ON ANSWERING MACHINE: Hello, this is Jo Mills. 731 00:44:59,463 --> 00:45:01,263 Please leave a message and I'll call you back. 732 00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:03,257 Jo, it's John. 733 00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:06,394 I need to take your mind on the other case I'm hearing. 734 00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:09,463 Something you said about Mrs Hurst and her suffering? 735 00:45:10,107 --> 00:45:11,618 Please, could you spare me a couple of moments 736 00:45:11,642 --> 00:45:13,338 after court today? 737 00:45:17,181 --> 00:45:19,309 Come on. 738 00:45:21,819 --> 00:45:24,687 Did you get any sense of Paul Lawrence's intention 739 00:45:24,755 --> 00:45:26,155 at the end of your class? 740 00:45:26,224 --> 00:45:28,716 No, he'd been responding 741 00:45:28,793 --> 00:45:30,819 and I thought I was getting through to him. 742 00:45:30,928 --> 00:45:32,829 Did he stay behind? 743 00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:36,230 Yes. The lunch bell had sounded. 744 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:40,499 Paul's class was on first sitting, so they all rushed out. 745 00:45:40,605 --> 00:45:44,042 Paul stayed back and asked me a question about the lesson. 746 00:45:44,108 --> 00:45:46,236 I was flattered that he'd listened. 747 00:45:46,677 --> 00:45:50,079 When I lent over the desk to explain further, 748 00:45:50,982 --> 00:45:53,816 he squeezed my breast. 749 00:45:53,918 --> 00:45:55,716 How did you respond? 750 00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:58,312 I was shocked, but then I felt panic 751 00:45:58,389 --> 00:46:02,258 because I didn't want to lose him now he was willing to learn. 752 00:46:03,361 --> 00:46:04,590 He said, 753 00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:09,027 "Oh, I thought you liked me. No one likes me." 754 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:12,169 And he caught his breath as if to sob. 755 00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:15,702 I put my hand on his shoulder and I said, 756 00:46:15,806 --> 00:46:20,972 "I do like you, Paul, but you mustn't touch me like that." 757 00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:24,071 And he said that he was very sorry 758 00:46:25,182 --> 00:46:27,310 and he took my hand. 759 00:46:28,886 --> 00:46:33,551 Then he suddenly grabbed me and wrestled me to the floor. 760 00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:35,354 And I hit my head as I fell. 761 00:46:37,028 --> 00:46:40,863 Then he started pulling open my clothes. 762 00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:42,991 He's no bigger than me, 763 00:46:43,067 --> 00:46:48,529 but he kept me pinned down with his hand over my mouth. 764 00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,837 - Could you make any sound? - No. 765 00:46:51,909 --> 00:46:53,673 Not even afterwards. 766 00:46:54,378 --> 00:46:57,542 I just laid there feeling sick with shock. 767 00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:01,677 I must have been there for about 20 minutes, 768 00:47:01,752 --> 00:47:03,983 then a colleague came in and found me. 769 00:47:04,088 --> 00:47:06,148 We were supposed to meet at lunch. 770 00:47:07,124 --> 00:47:08,786 What did you imagine you were doing, 771 00:47:08,859 --> 00:47:11,158 putting your hand on a child who you allege 772 00:47:11,228 --> 00:47:12,787 made a sexual advance to you? 773 00:47:12,863 --> 00:47:16,664 Oh, I don't know, I was... I was trying to reassure him. 774 00:47:16,767 --> 00:47:20,863 Miss Simpson, you consented to this act by Paul Lawrence, didn't you? 775 00:47:20,938 --> 00:47:22,497 No. No, I didn't. 776 00:47:22,606 --> 00:47:24,666 In fact, you enticed him into it. 777 00:47:24,742 --> 00:47:29,180 Then afterwards, you felt you somehow had to cover what you had done, 778 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,044 so you accused him of raping you. 779 00:47:32,183 --> 00:47:34,550 No, I didn't. It's not true. 780 00:47:38,022 --> 00:47:42,619 Dr Niamba, I believe you pronounced Barry Baylis dead. 781 00:47:42,727 --> 00:47:44,025 How was that? 782 00:47:44,128 --> 00:47:46,290 I was holding my clinic at the prison hospital 783 00:47:46,397 --> 00:47:48,662 when I heard the continuous alarm. 784 00:47:48,766 --> 00:47:50,667 Did you stop treatments? 785 00:47:50,768 --> 00:47:54,466 Not until a prison officer rushed in and said a prisoner was down. 786 00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:56,063 That's code for dead. 787 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,133 I ran after him and found Baylis on the corridor floor 788 00:48:00,244 --> 00:48:02,145 with baler twine around his neck. 789 00:48:02,246 --> 00:48:04,442 I thought he'd hanged himself. 790 00:48:04,515 --> 00:48:06,950 I could tell at once he was dead. 791 00:48:08,619 --> 00:48:12,522 How long does it take to choke someone in the way you describe? 792 00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:14,786 Not long. Two minutes. 793 00:48:14,859 --> 00:48:18,057 How long from hearing the alarm to finding Baylis? 794 00:48:18,162 --> 00:48:20,495 Two minutes. No more. 795 00:48:20,598 --> 00:48:22,396 Didn't you examine him? 796 00:48:22,466 --> 00:48:25,698 - I certainly did. - A brainstem death protocol? 797 00:48:25,803 --> 00:48:28,295 I checked his pulse and his breath. 798 00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:29,874 He was dead. 799 00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:34,534 And you took longer from the alarm to finding Baylis. 800 00:48:34,645 --> 00:48:36,341 Maybe five or six minutes. 801 00:48:36,447 --> 00:48:38,473 No, we ran all the way. 802 00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:40,108 Did you try to revive him? 803 00:48:40,184 --> 00:48:41,618 He was dead. 804 00:48:43,187 --> 00:48:45,656 Dr Niamba, at two minutes, 805 00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:48,521 a person who is choking loses consciousness. 806 00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:52,552 It takes five or six minutes to kill them. 807 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:54,656 Isn't that so? 808 00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:56,063 Maybe. 809 00:49:00,871 --> 00:49:02,237 Perhaps. 810 00:49:06,143 --> 00:49:09,272 Were you aware of hostility amongst prisoners towards Baylis? 811 00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:11,539 Yes. 812 00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:13,311 A few hated him. 813 00:49:14,552 --> 00:49:18,353 There were three guards on that block, two with first aid, 814 00:49:18,422 --> 00:49:21,358 yet none attempted to revive Baylis? 815 00:49:22,426 --> 00:49:23,860 No. 816 00:49:24,762 --> 00:49:26,253 No one did. 817 00:49:27,198 --> 00:49:30,259 Pretty short lunch. I thought judges led extravagant lives. 818 00:49:30,367 --> 00:49:33,132 Not in this century, and certainly not with John Deed. 819 00:49:33,237 --> 00:49:36,298 Oh, yeah, this is the judge with the dog that Michael likes. 820 00:49:36,407 --> 00:49:38,672 - Mmm-hmm. - Hmm, perhaps we should steal it. 821 00:49:38,742 --> 00:49:39,903 Can the Judge run fast? 822 00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:43,470 For a cardiac surgeon, you have a lot of mischief in you. 823 00:49:43,547 --> 00:49:45,778 I have to work at it. You know people take themselves 824 00:49:45,883 --> 00:49:47,579 far too seriously. 825 00:49:48,219 --> 00:49:50,552 Why did your marriage break up? 826 00:49:51,789 --> 00:49:54,224 Uh, I'm sorry, it's painful. 827 00:49:55,059 --> 00:49:57,858 I was, um... I was work-obsessed. 828 00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:01,575 By the time I realised there was more to life than driving ambition, 829 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,295 Louisa had gone. 830 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,925 Couldn't you get her back? 831 00:50:05,035 --> 00:50:07,266 - No, she found somebody else. - Hmm. 832 00:50:08,906 --> 00:50:11,102 She didn't want the boys. 833 00:50:11,175 --> 00:50:13,576 They took that very badly. 834 00:50:13,677 --> 00:50:15,543 Oh, we all did. 835 00:50:15,646 --> 00:50:18,081 But, um, we get over these things. 836 00:50:18,916 --> 00:50:20,885 They're very, very settled now. 837 00:50:25,389 --> 00:50:27,415 - Mrs Mills, Judge. - Thanks. 838 00:50:28,158 --> 00:50:30,218 Thanks, Coop, could we have tea? 839 00:50:30,294 --> 00:50:32,456 I can't stop, I've got to get back for Michael. 840 00:50:32,563 --> 00:50:34,429 I seem to be seeing less of you now. 841 00:50:34,498 --> 00:50:36,610 You shouldn't see me at all while I'm in front of you. 842 00:50:36,634 --> 00:50:40,537 Perhaps I should give up the law. I want to see more of both of you. 843 00:50:40,638 --> 00:50:42,664 You asked about Mrs Hurst. 844 00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:47,041 Yes, you said you had some insight into her taking on this difficult trial, 845 00:50:47,111 --> 00:50:49,808 you know, subconsciously wanting to destroy herself and her family. 846 00:50:49,914 --> 00:50:51,405 It was only a surmise, John. 847 00:50:51,515 --> 00:50:53,326 Only it seems that she's about to self-destruct 848 00:50:53,350 --> 00:50:54,861 and I don't want to exacerbate her problem, 849 00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:57,411 but I don't see that I have much alternative. 850 00:50:57,788 --> 00:50:58,949 Mmm. 851 00:51:04,161 --> 00:51:05,652 Sorry. 852 00:51:05,763 --> 00:51:08,562 I could come and collect Michael with you. 853 00:51:08,632 --> 00:51:10,931 - Mimi misses him. - No, it would be confusing for him. 854 00:51:11,035 --> 00:51:12,594 His father will be there. 855 00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:14,730 Ah, yes, what's he like? 856 00:51:14,838 --> 00:51:17,740 Um, warm, forthright. 857 00:51:18,576 --> 00:51:22,308 It's like love at first sight between them. 858 00:51:22,379 --> 00:51:24,280 It's like they've never been apart. 859 00:51:26,617 --> 00:51:29,587 He's like you. He's bright, hardworking. 860 00:51:29,653 --> 00:51:31,398 Put himself through college and medical school. 861 00:51:31,422 --> 00:51:32,822 He's a cardiac surgeon. 862 00:51:32,923 --> 00:51:35,722 Has he stolen your heart, Jo? 863 00:51:35,793 --> 00:51:37,557 I must dash. 864 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,132 It was a wonderful evening. 865 00:51:51,241 --> 00:51:53,836 - We didn't do anything. - But that's what was so nice. 866 00:51:53,911 --> 00:51:55,880 We didn't have to. 867 00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:58,211 Even the silences felt natural. 868 00:52:01,018 --> 00:52:03,419 So what are we going to do about Michael? 869 00:52:05,756 --> 00:52:07,315 It's not a done deal. 870 00:52:07,391 --> 00:52:10,361 The council have only indicated that you could get custody. 871 00:52:11,428 --> 00:52:13,488 I could fight you. 872 00:52:14,264 --> 00:52:16,256 What would Michael make of that? 873 00:52:18,235 --> 00:52:20,295 I don't want to give him up, Marc. 874 00:52:22,139 --> 00:52:24,301 Do you want me to walk away? 875 00:52:30,114 --> 00:52:31,591 JO ON ANSWERING MACHINE: Hello, this is Jo Mills. 876 00:52:31,615 --> 00:52:34,517 Please leave a message and I'll call you back... 877 00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:44,426 Come on. 878 00:53:18,462 --> 00:53:21,330 Mr Ferns, did you kill Barry Baylis? 879 00:53:25,869 --> 00:53:27,428 Yes, I did. 880 00:53:27,905 --> 00:53:30,704 I strangled him with a piece of baler twine 881 00:53:30,774 --> 00:53:32,640 I was using as a belt. 882 00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:34,474 Why did you do that? 883 00:53:34,545 --> 00:53:37,481 To stop him ever abusing any other children. 884 00:53:40,517 --> 00:53:44,420 Seven years ago, I went to prison for attacking a paedophile. 885 00:53:44,521 --> 00:53:48,686 In that time, the organisation I helped found, 886 00:53:48,792 --> 00:53:51,023 Lawyers Against Child Abusers, 887 00:53:51,595 --> 00:53:53,757 estimate there have been over 90,000 888 00:53:53,831 --> 00:53:56,391 serious offences committed against children. 889 00:53:56,467 --> 00:54:00,336 Less than one percent of those offenders have been prosecuted. 890 00:54:01,271 --> 00:54:04,173 Can you tell the court about your own childhood? 891 00:54:09,813 --> 00:54:11,475 Mr Ferns? 892 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,187 My father had a breakdown when I was two and walked out on us. 893 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:22,954 I haven't seen him since. 894 00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:26,621 The man my mother took up with... 895 00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:31,330 He started sexually abusing me when I was five. 896 00:54:31,435 --> 00:54:35,065 I was nine before I dared tell anyone. 897 00:54:35,139 --> 00:54:36,903 What happened to him? 898 00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:38,237 Nothing. 899 00:54:39,176 --> 00:54:42,374 There wasn't enough evidence to prosecute him. 900 00:54:42,479 --> 00:54:45,347 By this time my mother had become a drug addict 901 00:54:45,549 --> 00:54:47,518 and I was taken into care. 902 00:54:48,352 --> 00:54:50,617 One of the carers started to abuse me. 903 00:54:51,555 --> 00:54:54,081 I thought all adults were like that. 904 00:54:55,592 --> 00:55:00,428 I tried to commit suicide and ended up in a psychiatric unit. 905 00:55:01,498 --> 00:55:02,864 There I met some kind adults 906 00:55:02,933 --> 00:55:05,198 who helped me get a different view of the world. 907 00:55:05,269 --> 00:55:07,670 And what of the men who abused you? 908 00:55:07,738 --> 00:55:10,765 I tracked them down and exposed each one of them. 909 00:55:10,874 --> 00:55:12,570 Were they prosecuted? 910 00:55:12,676 --> 00:55:13,735 No. 911 00:55:14,678 --> 00:55:17,671 The law couldn't do anything because of lack of evidence. 912 00:55:17,748 --> 00:55:19,717 So, I beat them up. 913 00:55:21,118 --> 00:55:24,316 One almost died and I went to prison for seven years. 914 00:55:24,388 --> 00:55:27,449 How much of your prison sentence did you serve? 915 00:55:27,558 --> 00:55:29,550 All but a day. 916 00:55:29,626 --> 00:55:31,907 They wouldn't give me remission because I refused to admit 917 00:55:31,995 --> 00:55:34,430 that what I did to those people was wrong. 918 00:55:35,933 --> 00:55:39,529 Your childhood experiences must have left you very angry. 919 00:55:40,504 --> 00:55:42,439 I won't pretend I wasn't angry. 920 00:55:43,373 --> 00:55:46,969 And particularly resentful towards your abusers 921 00:55:47,544 --> 00:55:49,410 who didn't go to prison. 922 00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:52,077 Is that so? 923 00:55:52,149 --> 00:55:53,412 At first. 924 00:55:54,318 --> 00:55:56,378 And then I realised I couldn't take it upon myself 925 00:55:56,453 --> 00:55:58,354 to beat up every child abuser, 926 00:55:59,156 --> 00:56:01,057 so that's why I read law, 927 00:56:01,158 --> 00:56:04,219 got a degree, founded Lawyers Against, 928 00:56:04,294 --> 00:56:07,696 to prosecute these people when the authorities won't. 929 00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:12,133 Isn't this organisation simply a front to out paedophiles 930 00:56:12,236 --> 00:56:14,705 who you can later vent your anger on? 931 00:56:14,771 --> 00:56:17,969 Ask some of the lawyers who've joined us if it is a front. 932 00:56:18,642 --> 00:56:21,669 What were you thinking when you attacked Baylis? 933 00:56:21,745 --> 00:56:23,941 How he'd never get to harm another child. 934 00:56:24,014 --> 00:56:26,415 What evidence had you got that made you superior 935 00:56:26,516 --> 00:56:28,917 to the courts and due process? 936 00:56:28,986 --> 00:56:32,047 Oh, we'd made enquiries, we knew he was a child abuser. 937 00:56:32,155 --> 00:56:34,784 - But you had no evidence. - Well, it takes time. 938 00:56:35,592 --> 00:56:37,788 And he was very clever. 939 00:56:37,861 --> 00:56:40,228 That's why he kept escaping the law. 940 00:56:40,297 --> 00:56:43,131 You haven't forgiven your abusers, have you? 941 00:56:44,468 --> 00:56:45,468 What do you think? 942 00:56:45,535 --> 00:56:49,495 I think you'd like to do to them what you did to Mr Baylis. 943 00:56:49,573 --> 00:56:51,508 I try not to think about them. 944 00:56:52,342 --> 00:56:56,279 I think you think about them all the time. 945 00:56:56,346 --> 00:56:57,575 When you attacked Mr Baylis, 946 00:56:57,681 --> 00:57:00,913 you were thinking about your stepfather and carer. 947 00:57:01,985 --> 00:57:04,750 No, I just wanted to stop Baylis. 948 00:57:04,821 --> 00:57:07,791 You weren't protecting other kids when you attacked and killed this man. 949 00:57:07,858 --> 00:57:10,828 You were just hell-bent on revenge! Weren't you? 950 00:57:10,894 --> 00:57:12,988 No. No, that's not true. 951 00:57:14,665 --> 00:57:18,261 We'll let the jury decide what's true, shall we? 952 00:57:18,335 --> 00:57:20,513 Do you know what happens when you suffer that kind of abuse? 953 00:57:20,537 --> 00:57:23,132 - Thank you, Mr Ferns. - You die inside. 954 00:57:24,141 --> 00:57:25,666 That's what happened to me. 955 00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:29,304 Abused children never really recover to become fully functioning. 956 00:57:29,379 --> 00:57:31,507 - Thank you... - It's like you're not worthy inside. 957 00:57:31,581 --> 00:57:34,949 You're dirty. You're not worthy of anyone's love and respect. 958 00:57:36,386 --> 00:57:40,551 My life now is about not letting that happen to other children. 959 00:57:41,658 --> 00:57:42,835 I don't... Thank you, Mr Johnson. 960 00:57:42,859 --> 00:57:44,794 I don't want to hear "in defence of others" 961 00:57:44,861 --> 00:57:46,056 in your closing argument, Jo. 962 00:57:46,129 --> 00:57:48,655 - Those are my client's instructions. - The law is clear. 963 00:57:48,732 --> 00:57:49,772 No one's being threatened. 964 00:57:49,833 --> 00:57:51,324 The jury should be allowed to decide. 965 00:57:51,435 --> 00:57:54,030 Yes, and they will. With direction from me. 966 00:57:54,104 --> 00:57:56,972 Juries can get very exercised about paedophiles. 967 00:57:57,074 --> 00:57:59,373 The jury may yet surprise us. 968 00:58:04,781 --> 00:58:06,340 Don't you ever answer your phone? 969 00:58:06,416 --> 00:58:08,317 It's been a hectic few days. 970 00:58:08,385 --> 00:58:11,014 Michael's father must be keen. 971 00:58:11,088 --> 00:58:13,557 The council told him he could claim Michael. 972 00:58:13,623 --> 00:58:15,888 They'll support him. 973 00:58:15,993 --> 00:58:19,088 Is he going to take Michael back to South Africa? 974 00:58:19,196 --> 00:58:22,030 He has to go back soon, he has other children there. 975 00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:24,227 He can't just take Michael. 976 00:58:25,135 --> 00:58:27,127 He wants me to go with him. 977 00:58:40,917 --> 00:58:42,818 It's always warm in Cape Town. 978 00:58:44,788 --> 00:58:47,417 I'm really glad you found your father, Michael. 979 00:58:47,657 --> 00:58:49,023 Won't you come with us? 980 00:58:49,092 --> 00:58:52,392 I didn't say I wouldn't. It's just it needs a lot of thinking about. 981 00:58:52,462 --> 00:58:55,296 I've got Tom and Mark to think about as well as you. 982 00:58:55,399 --> 00:58:56,799 And my work. 983 00:58:56,867 --> 00:58:59,462 Dad says you can be a barrister in South Africa. 984 00:58:59,536 --> 00:59:00,970 Oh, does he? 985 00:59:01,071 --> 00:59:03,233 He's got it all worked out. 986 00:59:04,174 --> 00:59:06,109 Will you come with us? 987 00:59:11,948 --> 00:59:14,417 Michael, if I don't, 988 00:59:16,420 --> 00:59:18,946 it doesn't mean I don't love you. All right? 989 00:59:19,489 --> 00:59:21,822 It's just a really big upheaval. 990 00:59:23,527 --> 00:59:25,826 Dad says we could all make a new start. 991 00:59:25,896 --> 00:59:27,592 It would be best. 992 00:59:28,465 --> 00:59:31,128 Yeah, perhaps it would. 993 00:59:38,909 --> 00:59:40,453 JO ON ANSWERING MACHINE: Hello, this is Jo Mills. 994 00:59:40,477 --> 00:59:42,912 Please leave a message and I'll call you... 995 00:59:50,754 --> 00:59:51,813 Excuse me, Sir John. 996 00:59:51,888 --> 00:59:54,221 Cook wants to know if you're dining in. 997 00:59:55,058 --> 00:59:56,924 Is Mr Justice Everard in? 998 00:59:57,027 --> 00:59:59,496 Sir Monty and Lady Everard are at a reception. 999 00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:02,259 Um, no thank you, Mr Johnson, I think I'll eat out. 1000 01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:30,487 Oh, Mrs Hurst, I'm sorry, I didn't recognise you. 1001 01:00:30,594 --> 01:00:32,392 Can I talk to you, Judge? 1002 01:00:32,462 --> 01:00:33,942 I'm not sure that you can, Mrs Hurst. 1003 01:00:33,997 --> 01:00:36,228 The council weren't being honest. 1004 01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:40,031 There are rules about talking to claimants outside court. 1005 01:00:40,103 --> 01:00:41,969 I'm sorry. 1006 01:00:42,072 --> 01:00:45,270 Just when I saw you, I knew I needed to speak to you. 1007 01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:46,708 Please? 1008 01:00:47,477 --> 01:00:50,208 If I don't speak to someone, I feel I'll go mad. 1009 01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:54,641 Would you like a glass of wine? 1010 01:00:54,751 --> 01:00:57,277 Uh, I don't want to take up your time. 1011 01:00:57,387 --> 01:00:59,185 It's boring eating alone. 1012 01:01:01,091 --> 01:01:03,651 - Are you eating alone? - Always. 1013 01:01:04,327 --> 01:01:06,421 The girls live with their father. 1014 01:01:06,930 --> 01:01:09,525 Could you get me another glass? 1015 01:01:13,970 --> 01:01:15,404 Thank you. 1016 01:01:31,254 --> 01:01:33,849 Do the girls blame you for what Paul did? 1017 01:01:34,658 --> 01:01:37,856 The eldest one barely talks to me now. 1018 01:01:37,928 --> 01:01:40,989 I didn't know he would abuse her. Of course I didn't. 1019 01:01:41,631 --> 01:01:44,567 It doesn't necessarily make the council negligent. 1020 01:01:44,668 --> 01:01:46,899 I thought we couldn't talk about this. 1021 01:01:50,674 --> 01:01:53,769 The girls can't understand why I stood by him. 1022 01:01:53,877 --> 01:01:56,210 Neither could their father. 1023 01:01:57,747 --> 01:01:59,579 I've already lost one son. 1024 01:02:01,051 --> 01:02:04,385 I was driving the car when... when he died. 1025 01:02:04,454 --> 01:02:06,286 He was telling me about his teacher. 1026 01:02:06,389 --> 01:02:07,857 Doing his voice. 1027 01:02:09,326 --> 01:02:11,420 He was a brilliant mimic. 1028 01:02:15,265 --> 01:02:17,962 I only took my eyes off the road for a second... 1029 01:02:20,904 --> 01:02:23,305 It was an accident. You should forgive yourself 1030 01:02:23,373 --> 01:02:25,535 - for what happened. - No. 1031 01:02:25,609 --> 01:02:28,511 It was my fault. I killed him. 1032 01:02:29,713 --> 01:02:33,582 Can you accept the responsibility without attaching blame? 1033 01:02:35,051 --> 01:02:37,680 Is that what you think I'm trying to do? 1034 01:02:37,787 --> 01:02:41,588 Perhaps you should care for the family that you still have. 1035 01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:46,988 I can't abandon Paul. 1036 01:02:47,063 --> 01:02:49,760 Too many people have already done that. 1037 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,704 It's a tough hurdle to overcome when you're a child. 1038 01:02:56,072 --> 01:02:58,200 That happened to me. 1039 01:02:59,276 --> 01:03:02,735 I was adopted. My adoptive mother committed suicide 1040 01:03:02,812 --> 01:03:05,646 when I was a bit younger than Paul. 1041 01:03:06,850 --> 01:03:11,618 I mean, it wasn't anybody's fault, there wasn't anybody I could blame. 1042 01:03:18,194 --> 01:03:20,891 I think you're suffering, Mrs Hurst. 1043 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:27,331 We would think that our day in court is going to resolve things, 1044 01:03:28,538 --> 01:03:29,904 make us free. 1045 01:03:29,973 --> 01:03:32,807 We think it will bring closure. Quite often, 1046 01:03:32,909 --> 01:03:35,378 it just opens wounds even deeper. 1047 01:03:38,014 --> 01:03:41,075 You need to go on with your life. 1048 01:03:41,184 --> 01:03:43,244 I don't know how to, Judge. 1049 01:03:43,353 --> 01:03:45,447 You've got to find a way. 1050 01:03:45,555 --> 01:03:49,014 At best, all a trial will do is enable you to shift the blame 1051 01:03:49,092 --> 01:03:51,459 from yourself to the council. 1052 01:03:51,528 --> 01:03:53,224 The situation will remain the same. 1053 01:03:53,296 --> 01:03:55,629 Then what's the point of courts? 1054 01:03:58,168 --> 01:04:04,301 Often they have no point other than to codify our behaviour 1055 01:04:04,374 --> 01:04:08,038 because we don't know how to relate to each other. 1056 01:04:08,144 --> 01:04:10,170 Do you think we ever did? 1057 01:04:15,418 --> 01:04:18,354 When was the last time you had a conversation like this? 1058 01:04:18,421 --> 01:04:19,912 Oh... 1059 01:04:23,326 --> 01:04:24,851 I should go. 1060 01:04:24,928 --> 01:04:28,831 I think you should have your glass of wine. 1061 01:04:28,898 --> 01:04:32,426 For the first time, you look like you're not going to break. 1062 01:04:32,502 --> 01:04:35,597 Well, it is a relief to talk to someone who understands. 1063 01:04:39,275 --> 01:04:41,904 - So, I'm defending a dog... - Mmm-hmm. 1064 01:04:41,978 --> 01:04:45,608 On appeal, under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1065 01:04:45,715 --> 01:04:46,774 and it bit me. 1066 01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:51,612 So I'm standing in front of this judge, blood pouring from my hand, 1067 01:04:51,688 --> 01:04:55,056 and I'm trying to convince him that this dog is not dangerous. 1068 01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:03,826 You're a very different person when you laugh. 1069 01:05:04,834 --> 01:05:09,135 - Oh, I haven't laughed for a long time. - You should do it more often. 1070 01:05:10,974 --> 01:05:14,342 I haven't dared let myself have an evening like this since... 1071 01:05:16,212 --> 01:05:18,841 I'd forgotten what it could be like. 1072 01:05:19,883 --> 01:05:21,647 I must go. 1073 01:05:27,424 --> 01:05:29,620 Where are you going? 1074 01:05:29,692 --> 01:05:32,161 Back to your flat to be depressed? 1075 01:05:34,898 --> 01:05:37,094 You want to make love to me. 1076 01:05:42,205 --> 01:05:45,767 It's very dangerous for me even to have such thoughts. 1077 01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:22,935 Mr Johnson, who is that woman going away in a taxi? 1078 01:06:23,012 --> 01:06:25,675 I believe she was a guest of Mr Justice Deed, my lady. 1079 01:06:25,782 --> 01:06:28,149 No, I do hope she wasn't. 1080 01:06:28,751 --> 01:06:30,686 Did she come for breakfast? 1081 01:06:30,787 --> 01:06:34,224 I really don't know, my lady. I don't serve breakfast. 1082 01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:37,852 Mr Johnson, you're the butler, you're supposed to know everything. 1083 01:06:40,063 --> 01:06:41,827 Where's my husband? 1084 01:06:45,368 --> 01:06:48,998 Although Mrs Hurst, um, and her husband 1085 01:06:49,906 --> 01:06:55,368 were treated in less than ideal fashion over the adoption of Paul Lawrence, 1086 01:06:55,445 --> 01:06:59,849 the council, I find, was not wrong in its proceedings. 1087 01:07:00,984 --> 01:07:05,183 Enough information was given for them to make a fair and reasoned judgement. 1088 01:07:05,255 --> 01:07:10,057 The fact that they then took Paul on is very much to their credit. 1089 01:07:10,126 --> 01:07:16,828 That the adoption went so badly wrong in no way reflects upon Mrs Hurst. 1090 01:07:17,867 --> 01:07:19,859 She has this court's heartfelt sympathy 1091 01:07:19,936 --> 01:07:23,373 and it is hoped that she can somehow pick up her life. 1092 01:07:24,307 --> 01:07:27,402 The full text of this ruling 1093 01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:30,537 will be on the court service website next week. 1094 01:07:30,613 --> 01:07:32,275 All rise. 1095 01:07:34,584 --> 01:07:36,246 John. 1096 01:07:36,352 --> 01:07:38,514 John, you all right? 1097 01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:43,390 - Was Mrs Hurst in your court today? - No, she was not. 1098 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,863 Vera says that she saw her leaving the digs this morning. 1099 01:07:47,931 --> 01:07:49,422 Yes, she wanted some advice. 1100 01:07:49,499 --> 01:07:52,560 You are not the person to give it. She's before you as a claimant. 1101 01:07:52,669 --> 01:07:54,968 Hopefully I was able to help her. 1102 01:07:55,071 --> 01:07:58,041 Well, the fact is that she shouldn't have visited you. 1103 01:07:58,775 --> 01:08:00,710 As Presider, it is incumbent on me 1104 01:08:00,777 --> 01:08:02,905 to ensure that such liaisons don't happen. 1105 01:08:02,979 --> 01:08:06,040 Yes, I know who I can and cannot see, Monty. 1106 01:08:06,149 --> 01:08:07,845 It's very dangerous. 1107 01:08:08,384 --> 01:08:10,182 It could embarrass you and the bench. 1108 01:08:10,253 --> 01:08:14,850 Monty, I'm not sure that I give a damn! 1109 01:08:18,294 --> 01:08:21,492 Mr Justice Deed had sexual relations with this woman? 1110 01:08:21,564 --> 01:08:24,261 I doubt they spent the time discussing the price of coffee. 1111 01:08:24,334 --> 01:08:25,393 In his room? 1112 01:08:25,501 --> 01:08:28,403 I'm told the servants weren't asked to make up a spare room. 1113 01:08:28,504 --> 01:08:30,598 This time we have him. We really do. 1114 01:08:30,707 --> 01:08:32,151 We've never been able to pin him down 1115 01:08:32,175 --> 01:08:34,337 on his sexual relations with the female bar. 1116 01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:36,845 With a claimant, it's judicial suicide. 1117 01:08:36,946 --> 01:08:40,178 That's a dangerous assumption, Ian. You have no evidence. 1118 01:08:40,249 --> 01:08:41,615 Come on, Monty. 1119 01:08:41,684 --> 01:08:45,018 The only way to find out if it's true is to confront him, Monty. 1120 01:08:45,088 --> 01:08:47,990 - Good idea. Let's. - No, Vera. 1121 01:08:48,424 --> 01:08:50,325 You'll do no such thing. 1122 01:08:50,426 --> 01:08:52,759 John Deed is a High Court Judge. 1123 01:08:53,830 --> 01:08:56,129 Ian can decide how to proceed. 1124 01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,100 I would urge caution. 1125 01:09:02,338 --> 01:09:06,173 It's a simple question. Was this woman in your room? 1126 01:09:06,242 --> 01:09:08,370 It's not simple. It's loaded. 1127 01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:12,479 If true, it could do you a great deal of harm. 1128 01:09:12,582 --> 01:09:14,949 Yes, I'm sure it could. 1129 01:09:15,018 --> 01:09:19,012 My lord, if the newspapers were to get hold of this... 1130 01:09:19,088 --> 01:09:21,523 Only if you were to give it to them, Ian. 1131 01:09:21,624 --> 01:09:25,061 It's your reputation we're at pains to protect. 1132 01:09:25,128 --> 01:09:27,654 Thank you for your concern. 1133 01:09:32,702 --> 01:09:34,568 Mrs Cooper. 1134 01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:42,607 Did you hear any of that? 1135 01:09:42,679 --> 01:09:44,739 More than I wanted to, Judge. 1136 01:09:44,814 --> 01:09:45,975 There could be trouble. 1137 01:09:46,049 --> 01:09:49,281 We've had plenty of that. 1138 01:09:55,391 --> 01:09:57,553 Mrs Mills still in the building? 1139 01:09:57,660 --> 01:10:01,119 I saw her hurrying through the lobby with that man. 1140 01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:04,462 She might be going to South Africa with that man. 1141 01:10:05,868 --> 01:10:07,530 Really, Judge? 1142 01:10:09,038 --> 01:10:12,406 Find Dr Crawcheck for me, will you? Ask her if she'll see me tonight. 1143 01:10:12,508 --> 01:10:14,101 It doesn't matter where. 1144 01:10:16,612 --> 01:10:17,636 Mimi. 1145 01:10:28,024 --> 01:10:29,151 Shit. 1146 01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:37,697 Is Michael here? 1147 01:10:38,534 --> 01:10:41,732 - I brought Mimi to see him. - No, he's out with his father. 1148 01:10:45,108 --> 01:10:47,043 Hello, little one. 1149 01:10:48,644 --> 01:10:50,408 What's going to happen? 1150 01:10:55,218 --> 01:10:57,517 Michael wants me to go to South Africa. 1151 01:10:58,521 --> 01:10:59,989 I haven't decided. 1152 01:11:09,565 --> 01:11:10,726 John? 1153 01:11:12,301 --> 01:11:13,667 Talk to me. 1154 01:11:14,403 --> 01:11:16,702 I've been trying to talk to you all week. 1155 01:11:16,773 --> 01:11:18,207 Can't get near you. 1156 01:11:18,941 --> 01:11:21,137 Marc's only here for a short time. 1157 01:11:21,978 --> 01:11:24,004 Are you in love with him? 1158 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,448 I've only known him a few days. 1159 01:11:28,451 --> 01:11:29,851 He's very nice. 1160 01:11:30,253 --> 01:11:31,253 Charming. 1161 01:11:32,822 --> 01:11:34,188 He pays me a lot of attention. 1162 01:11:34,257 --> 01:11:38,558 He sort of assaults your feelings. 1163 01:12:10,259 --> 01:12:14,253 I've done something pretty stupid, even by my stupid standards. 1164 01:12:19,802 --> 01:12:22,704 I let Mrs Hurst stay the night at the digs. 1165 01:12:27,043 --> 01:12:29,672 Are you completely mad? 1166 01:12:30,046 --> 01:12:32,038 And the forces of reaction know. 1167 01:12:32,448 --> 01:12:35,247 Well, what do you expect me to do? I can't help you. 1168 01:12:35,318 --> 01:12:37,429 Are you surprised I'm thinking of going to South Africa? 1169 01:12:37,453 --> 01:12:39,183 You are so stupid! 1170 01:12:42,091 --> 01:12:44,822 Come on. Come on. Come on. 1171 01:12:50,967 --> 01:12:52,765 Even by your exotic standards, 1172 01:12:52,869 --> 01:12:54,413 sleeping with a claimant who is before you 1173 01:12:54,437 --> 01:12:56,429 seems a very stupid thing to do. 1174 01:12:57,106 --> 01:12:59,735 Well, I compounded the stupidity. 1175 01:12:59,809 --> 01:13:02,369 Instead of recusing myself, I gave judgement. 1176 01:13:02,445 --> 01:13:04,209 Not in her favour. 1177 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:05,578 That hardly matters. 1178 01:13:05,648 --> 01:13:08,174 It might if she's angry about it. 1179 01:13:11,821 --> 01:13:15,622 I think Jo Mills is falling in love with somebody else. 1180 01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:19,491 So you've decided to destroy yourself. 1181 01:13:19,562 --> 01:13:21,258 Help me, Rachel. 1182 01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:24,391 How do you imagine I can do that after sleeping with you? 1183 01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:28,631 How could we possibly re-establish a client-therapist relationship? 1184 01:13:28,738 --> 01:13:29,762 We could find a way. 1185 01:13:29,839 --> 01:13:32,434 - Until we fall into sex again. - Is that going to happen? 1186 01:13:32,541 --> 01:13:34,772 You're that sort of man, John. 1187 01:13:34,844 --> 01:13:37,746 Sex is some deep pathology you're suffering. 1188 01:13:42,785 --> 01:13:46,517 Come on. Let's get some coffee and talk. 1189 01:13:47,657 --> 01:13:50,286 I really think Vera should give evidence, Monty. 1190 01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:52,521 Oh, that's ridiculous. 1191 01:13:52,595 --> 01:13:55,121 She can no more be called as a witness than I can. 1192 01:13:55,197 --> 01:13:57,132 Then we have to rely on Laurence James 1193 01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:00,294 persuading Mrs Hurst to give evidence against Deed. 1194 01:14:00,369 --> 01:14:02,338 Well, I dare say she might. 1195 01:14:02,405 --> 01:14:05,375 If Deed were to be overturned in her case. 1196 01:14:08,744 --> 01:14:12,078 We know how difficult this is for you, Mrs Hurst. 1197 01:14:12,181 --> 01:14:15,879 The fact is, the judge you were before behaved quite improperly. 1198 01:14:15,985 --> 01:14:18,819 Then perhaps you should be talking to him. 1199 01:14:18,888 --> 01:14:20,618 The point is, Mrs Hurst, 1200 01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:23,888 the ruling he gave against you could be overturned. 1201 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,053 Could it? 1202 01:14:25,127 --> 01:14:27,653 In fact, if you were to give evidence against him, 1203 01:14:27,730 --> 01:14:29,596 we would make sure it was. 1204 01:14:36,339 --> 01:14:41,141 Calculated, planned, premeditated. 1205 01:14:42,445 --> 01:14:45,415 These are the words that come to mind in relation to the killing 1206 01:14:45,481 --> 01:14:47,006 of Barry Baylis. 1207 01:14:47,083 --> 01:14:50,576 "To prevent possible future victims from being hurt," 1208 01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:53,851 was Alan Ferns' reason to the killing. 1209 01:14:53,923 --> 01:14:56,415 But Mr Baylis was putting no one's life at risk. 1210 01:14:56,492 --> 01:14:59,894 No one was being protected from a crime. 1211 01:15:00,563 --> 01:15:03,658 Possibly, he may have gone out of prison and offended. 1212 01:15:03,733 --> 01:15:06,293 Anything is possible. 1213 01:15:06,369 --> 01:15:09,339 We cannot permit executions 1214 01:15:09,405 --> 01:15:13,365 on the basis of personal speculation by Alan Ferns. 1215 01:15:14,477 --> 01:15:17,447 The question we have to grapple with is this. 1216 01:15:17,546 --> 01:15:22,280 Is it ever right to take the law into your own hands? 1217 01:15:22,385 --> 01:15:26,083 To allow a self-righteous, superior man 1218 01:15:26,155 --> 01:15:30,092 to decide and plan the execution of another? 1219 01:15:32,395 --> 01:15:36,526 If we allow this, we will be writing a licence for mayhem 1220 01:15:36,599 --> 01:15:39,398 to vigilante hard men like Ferns, 1221 01:15:40,036 --> 01:15:44,736 permitting storms of double wrongs trying to make a right. 1222 01:15:46,375 --> 01:15:48,867 My client's case is that he struck at Barry Baylis 1223 01:15:48,978 --> 01:15:53,507 to prevent the certain death or serious sexual abuse 1224 01:15:53,616 --> 01:15:55,517 of another child, 1225 01:15:55,618 --> 01:15:59,885 which our justice system either could not or would not prevent. 1226 01:16:00,956 --> 01:16:03,755 The law entitles you to defend yourself or another 1227 01:16:03,859 --> 01:16:07,387 if a certain or unpreventable attack will be committed upon you. 1228 01:16:09,532 --> 01:16:10,830 I'm not allowed to tell you 1229 01:16:10,933 --> 01:16:14,927 that Mr Ferns killed Barry Baylis to stop a serial paedophile 1230 01:16:15,004 --> 01:16:16,973 from preying upon our children. 1231 01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:19,201 Or that at the time of his death, 1232 01:16:19,275 --> 01:16:22,177 he was serving a ludicrously short prison sentence 1233 01:16:22,244 --> 01:16:25,806 for perverting the police investigation into his activities. 1234 01:16:26,649 --> 01:16:29,016 I'm not allowed to tell you any of this 1235 01:16:29,085 --> 01:16:31,554 because of the rules that govern procedure. 1236 01:16:33,155 --> 01:16:36,717 These are the same rules that allowed Baylis to repeatedly 1237 01:16:36,826 --> 01:16:40,524 walk away from court rather than being brought to justice. 1238 01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:46,900 These are the rules that left Mr Ferns the cruel victim of paedophiles 1239 01:16:46,969 --> 01:16:50,133 and saw him frustrated beyond help at the likes of Baylis 1240 01:16:50,206 --> 01:16:51,970 mocking at the law. 1241 01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:56,807 Mr Ferns sincerely believed he was defending our children 1242 01:16:57,413 --> 01:16:59,245 when he killed Barry Baylis. 1243 01:17:00,382 --> 01:17:02,681 But the rules say you must ignore that. 1244 01:17:05,354 --> 01:17:10,850 Defence council quite rightly pointed out what she can 1245 01:17:10,926 --> 01:17:13,691 and cannot say under the Rules of Procedure. 1246 01:17:14,797 --> 01:17:19,531 Now convention dictates that I don't interrupt her closing speech. 1247 01:17:20,769 --> 01:17:24,672 But I can now tell you that you must completely disregard 1248 01:17:24,773 --> 01:17:29,404 those matters which she so pointedly claimed to have excluded. 1249 01:17:31,113 --> 01:17:36,279 Mr Ferns freely admits killing Mr Baylis, 1250 01:17:36,385 --> 01:17:39,913 but that doesn't necessarily mean that he murdered him. 1251 01:17:40,656 --> 01:17:46,391 Murder is the deliberate killing of another, intending to kill 1252 01:17:46,495 --> 01:17:49,897 or to cause serious bodily harm. 1253 01:17:51,567 --> 01:17:53,934 The defence here is self-defence. 1254 01:17:54,003 --> 01:17:57,371 To prevent death or serious injury, 1255 01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,671 which includes the sexual abuse of another. 1256 01:18:02,011 --> 01:18:04,674 Now the question that you might ask yourselves 1257 01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:07,181 is was this threat immediate? 1258 01:18:08,484 --> 01:18:10,214 Were there any other measures 1259 01:18:10,286 --> 01:18:13,313 that Mr Ferns might have taken to prevent it? 1260 01:18:13,422 --> 01:18:15,288 That is a matter for you. 1261 01:18:16,325 --> 01:18:21,354 We abolished judicial execution in this country in 1967. 1262 01:18:22,898 --> 01:18:26,562 Parliament did not make an exception for Mr Ferns. 1263 01:18:28,170 --> 01:18:29,468 Thanks. 1264 01:18:30,773 --> 01:18:32,833 The jury's coming back in the rape case, Judge. 1265 01:18:32,942 --> 01:18:35,377 Oh, good. I'll pop in and hear it. 1266 01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:37,039 Thank you. 1267 01:18:41,116 --> 01:18:43,415 How do you find Paul Lawrence Hurst, 1268 01:18:43,485 --> 01:18:45,545 guilty or not guilty? 1269 01:18:45,654 --> 01:18:47,020 We find him guilty. 1270 01:18:48,724 --> 01:18:51,523 Now is that the verdict of you all? 1271 01:18:52,595 --> 01:18:55,190 - Yes, it is. - Thank you. 1272 01:18:57,099 --> 01:19:00,900 I'm almost at a loss to know how to respond to you. 1273 01:19:01,804 --> 01:19:04,467 It saddens me to see a boy so young 1274 01:19:04,573 --> 01:19:08,704 rape his teacher, who so cared for him, 1275 01:19:08,811 --> 01:19:11,371 trusted him, tried to help. 1276 01:19:13,282 --> 01:19:17,845 Yes, Mr Sorrell, I will hear your plea for mitigation. 1277 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,652 My lord, Paul Lawrence is what is known as a wrong 'un. 1278 01:19:22,391 --> 01:19:24,360 He knows he's a bad lot 1279 01:19:24,460 --> 01:19:27,453 and knows he cannot help himself doing what he does. 1280 01:19:31,834 --> 01:19:33,234 Viv? 1281 01:19:35,437 --> 01:19:37,599 I hoped I'd avoid you. 1282 01:19:38,274 --> 01:19:39,742 Are you going to see him? 1283 01:19:40,843 --> 01:19:43,176 I won't give up on him. 1284 01:19:43,245 --> 01:19:46,443 The important thing is to salvage something with my daughter. 1285 01:19:46,515 --> 01:19:47,608 Good. 1286 01:19:49,351 --> 01:19:52,150 - Thank you for all you did. - Oh, what did I do? 1287 01:19:53,555 --> 01:19:55,649 You helped give me my life back. 1288 01:19:58,093 --> 01:20:00,062 I won't see you again, will I? 1289 01:20:08,604 --> 01:20:11,005 Judge, your jury is coming back. 1290 01:20:12,207 --> 01:20:15,575 Already? They can hardly have deliberated yet. 1291 01:20:21,550 --> 01:20:23,678 Mrs Hurst. 1292 01:20:24,753 --> 01:20:26,813 You know my answer, Mr James. 1293 01:20:26,889 --> 01:20:28,482 I can't help. 1294 01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,600 Madam Foreman, have you reached a verdict already? 1295 01:20:40,035 --> 01:20:41,628 We have, sir. 1296 01:20:41,737 --> 01:20:44,866 - And it's the verdict of you all? - Yes, sir. 1297 01:20:44,973 --> 01:20:47,033 Very well. Mr Harrison. 1298 01:20:47,142 --> 01:20:48,440 Stand up. 1299 01:20:49,812 --> 01:20:55,513 On the charge of murder, how do you find Alan Peter Ferns? 1300 01:20:55,617 --> 01:20:57,415 Guilty or not guilty? 1301 01:20:59,822 --> 01:21:00,846 Not guilty. 1302 01:21:00,923 --> 01:21:02,983 - Yes! - Yes! 1303 01:21:03,092 --> 01:21:04,355 Thank you. 1304 01:21:05,928 --> 01:21:10,696 I cannot hide my view that the verdict of the jury is perverse. 1305 01:21:10,766 --> 01:21:13,031 However, you are free to go, Mr Ferns. 1306 01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:16,936 All rise. 1307 01:21:22,845 --> 01:21:25,280 - Congratulations. - Thank you. Thank you. 1308 01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:28,112 Mrs Mills. Thank you. 1309 01:21:29,651 --> 01:21:31,347 Congratulations. 1310 01:21:34,656 --> 01:21:35,919 Well done, Jo. 1311 01:21:35,991 --> 01:21:39,086 It's the legal equivalent of walking on water. 1312 01:21:40,129 --> 01:21:42,621 Mr Ferns, would you care to comment on the verdict? 1313 01:21:42,731 --> 01:21:46,395 I owe a big debt of gratitude to my legal team, 1314 01:21:46,502 --> 01:21:48,232 especially my barrister, Mrs Jo Mills. 1315 01:21:48,337 --> 01:21:50,772 - What are your plans? - To stop child abuse. 1316 01:21:50,839 --> 01:21:54,435 Britain is becoming the centre of a liberal child-abusing culture. 1317 01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:56,638 Too many paedophiles are protected by inadequate laws 1318 01:21:56,712 --> 01:21:58,647 that favour abusers and fail our children. 1319 01:21:58,714 --> 01:22:00,683 We're being swamped by these degenerates. 1320 01:22:00,749 --> 01:22:02,149 What would you do with them? 1321 01:22:02,251 --> 01:22:05,278 Well, scum like Baylis don't deserve to live. 1322 01:22:05,354 --> 01:22:07,298 It's the duty of every decent citizen in this country 1323 01:22:07,322 --> 01:22:08,847 to take arms against them. 1324 01:22:08,924 --> 01:22:11,519 If the police won't act, our organisation will. 1325 01:22:11,593 --> 01:22:13,926 We'll out every last one of them. Thank you. 1326 01:22:13,996 --> 01:22:16,795 How do you feel about the seven years you've already served? 1327 01:22:16,899 --> 01:22:18,094 Jo? 1328 01:22:18,901 --> 01:22:21,769 It suddenly it feels like I have cement boots. 1329 01:22:27,276 --> 01:22:31,179 Come with us, Jo. You'll love it. 1330 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,546 My whole life is here. 1331 01:22:34,416 --> 01:22:38,615 - It's a huge decision. - Life-changing decisions usually are. 1332 01:22:41,323 --> 01:22:43,315 It would be worth it, I promise. 1333 01:22:44,993 --> 01:22:47,019 Why don't you stay? 1334 01:22:49,765 --> 01:22:52,394 Jo, I can't uproot my children again. 1335 01:22:52,501 --> 01:22:54,231 But what about my children? 1336 01:22:56,572 --> 01:22:59,007 How are we going to resolve this? 1337 01:23:02,578 --> 01:23:04,589 The thing is, I'm not sure that Michael will go without you. 1338 01:23:04,613 --> 01:23:06,479 Oh, gosh, no pressure. 1339 01:23:09,351 --> 01:23:10,546 Jo... 1340 01:23:11,887 --> 01:23:17,656 I have been turning corners all my life and not met anyone like you till now. 1341 01:23:22,798 --> 01:23:25,029 The train leaves at 7 p.m. tomorrow. 1342 01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:27,629 I've got three tickets. 1343 01:23:34,710 --> 01:23:36,804 I could come out later. 1344 01:23:37,813 --> 01:23:40,510 Yeah, you could, but would you? 1345 01:23:43,919 --> 01:23:45,581 I love you, Jo. 1346 01:23:46,522 --> 01:23:48,150 Michael! 1347 01:23:53,428 --> 01:23:54,987 What are you looking at? 1348 01:23:55,631 --> 01:23:59,727 It was a brilliant result. You'll be in great demand. 1349 01:23:59,801 --> 01:24:02,270 It feels like my very worst day at the bar. 1350 01:24:05,574 --> 01:24:08,442 It more or less decided me to go to South Africa with Marc, 1351 01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:10,604 if only to get Michael settled. 1352 01:24:11,547 --> 01:24:13,880 Jo, you hardly know this man. 1353 01:24:13,949 --> 01:24:17,249 He's Michael's dad. He can't be all bad. 1354 01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:19,845 - He says he loves me. - I love you. 1355 01:24:26,228 --> 01:24:28,322 If you go, you won't come back. 1356 01:24:39,675 --> 01:24:42,201 Train's at 7:00 this evening, John. 1357 01:24:47,015 --> 01:24:48,108 Jo... 1358 01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:54,284 I know I have no right to ask you after the way I've behaved. 1359 01:24:56,858 --> 01:24:58,349 Please stay. 1360 01:25:16,111 --> 01:25:17,355 JO ON ANSWERING MACHINE: Hello, this is Jo Mills. 1361 01:25:17,379 --> 01:25:18,979 Leave a message and I'll get back to you. 1362 01:25:20,415 --> 01:25:22,748 Jo, we're all ready. Do you want us to pick you up? 1363 01:25:22,851 --> 01:25:25,548 I'll try your cell phone. I love you. 1364 01:26:13,201 --> 01:26:14,726 Hello, John. 1365 01:26:14,803 --> 01:26:17,272 Hello? I'm late. I'm just leaving. 1366 01:26:17,372 --> 01:26:20,240 Yeah, John, I can't talk, my battery's... Hello? 1367 01:26:20,308 --> 01:26:21,435 - Hello? - Jo? 1368 01:26:48,837 --> 01:26:50,362 Thank you. 1369 01:27:51,733 --> 01:27:53,759 Come on, let's go.108786

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