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# (droning music)
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I've probably seen several thousand
dead bodies,
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but this was something that I had never seen before.
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I mean, to see a person being able
to sit upright
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completely on its own without caving
into their own weight after being
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dead for a day is something that will never happen.
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If I just came into the room and sort
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of casually looked at him, I would
have thought he's meditating.
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He was sitting and his skin looked extremely fresh.
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I don't presume to understand it,
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but I do know that this isn't something
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that makes sense from the physiology
of a human body that I was taught.
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In what Tibetans call Tukdam,
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advanced meditators die in
meditation.
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Their bodies don't show the usual
signs of death
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for days or even weeks.
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According to Tibetan Buddhist
tradition,
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consciousness is still present.
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There are such cases.
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That's a phenomena.
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We must sort of investigate how it happened.
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An old monk has died ten days ago,
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but his body is not putrefying as one
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would expect in such warm summer
weather
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in the hills above
Dharamshala.
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By entering a deep meditative state
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at the time of dying,
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some Tibetan Buddhist practitioners
are
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allegedly able to arrest the
physical processes of death.
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The monk's body is checked daily
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to see if he remains in the sacred
state of Tukdam.
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(reciting)
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With the support of the Dalai
Lama, a team of scientists has,
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for the first time, been given
permission to study Tukdam.
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Anthropologist Dylan Lott is the
manager
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of the Tukdam project
in India.
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He leads a cross cultural
multidisciplinary team working
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in the Tibetan resettlement
communities of India.
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This particular retreatant was known
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to one of the doctors on our team while he was alive.
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And so he was amazed how much healthier he looked after his death.
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And this was another instance where
there's no fan, there's no AC.
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It's a mud floor, a few robes and scarves to adorn the body.
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But we were permitted to do inspections
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of the full body both morning and evening
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and to record the data that we needed,
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which was spaced around the rituals
that were being done in the room.
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Mm-hmm.
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Just still has such amazing integrity.
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That should not be.
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# (music)
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The Centre for Healthy Minds at the
University of Wisconsin Madison
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has been at the forefront of
research into meditation,
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mindfulness and healthy
emotions.
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Its Tukdam project is the first
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scientific investigation
into the phenomenon.
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The project is headed by
neuroscientist
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Richard Davidson some years ago named
by Time Magazine
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as one of the hundred most
influential people in the world.
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How important is the colour?
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We don't really know the answer to
that.
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No. That's an important question to ask the forensic experts.
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Okay. Anything else?
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He was suggesting that we begin to
look at the amount
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of antibiotics that they've been given
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and whether or not they've had meals
within 8 hours of their dying
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because that's going to affect decomposition greatly.
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So we need to start gathering that information.
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And how many Tukdam cases are there?
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We have a total of...
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twelve that I think
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where we have a good number of days postmortem.
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What would be ideal is before you left for India if we had a file
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that contained images of all the twelve practitioners twice a day
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with the indication of the number of
days
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post mortem that the image was taken,
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the time of day and the ambient temperature of the room.
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Yeah that would certainly be ideal.
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If we use the standard and I would
say relatively superficial
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criteria of modern Western medicine
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I think we can say they're clinically dead.
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We can say that their brain is showing a flat line,
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that there's no heart rate.
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We confirm that with EKG and there's no breathing.
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That we can say.
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But whether we can say that there's
no brain function,
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no we cannot say that.
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We don't know that yet.
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One of the reasons why we're doing
the work
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we're doing is to determine if there may be
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some more subtle kind of brain activity
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that is responsible for the signs of
Tukdam.
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The fact that you see a flat line does not
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necessarily mean that the entire brain is dead.
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The Tukdam project traces its origins
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to conversations that I had with the Dalai Lama concerning
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the relationship between the mind and the brain.
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And of course in modern Western neuroscience the mind
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is regarded as, if you will, what the brain does.
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I don't think anybody would deny that they are somehow
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extremely importantly related,
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but whether they should essentially
be regarded
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as one and the same is a question.
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In the phenomenon of Tukdam, there is said to be the presence
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of the most rudimentary form of awareness
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which still occurs after the point
at which
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they would be considered dead by a
conventional western definition.
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So if any of that is true,
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it would raise serious questions about
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the mind and the brain and it would
begin
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to introduce some problems