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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,003 --> 00:00:06,138 ♪ 2 00:00:08,074 --> 00:00:09,942 - This is mission control houston. 3 00:00:10,043 --> 00:00:11,343 You're looking at live video coming 4 00:00:11,345 --> 00:00:12,877 From space shuttle columbia 5 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:14,653 As columbia continues to orbit the earth 6 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:18,150 At an altitude of about 150 statute miles. 7 00:00:22,423 --> 00:00:23,888 Columbia, houston, laurel, 8 00:00:23,890 --> 00:00:25,657 You're loud and clear on air to ground one. 9 00:00:41,041 --> 00:00:43,976 - The second day, I drive in to work 10 00:00:44,111 --> 00:00:48,113 Kind of euphoric because another launch, 11 00:00:48,215 --> 00:00:49,381 Another successful launch. 12 00:00:49,483 --> 00:00:51,049 You know, the flight director's office 13 00:00:51,184 --> 00:00:53,518 And the mission control center in houston 14 00:00:53,654 --> 00:00:54,987 Is working with them. 15 00:00:55,122 --> 00:00:57,055 They're... everything's good. 16 00:00:57,057 --> 00:01:01,526 I walked into the analysis lab to 17 00:01:01,528 --> 00:01:04,696 Start reviewing film from the launch. 18 00:01:05,999 --> 00:01:07,666 We started the film at the beginning. 19 00:01:07,668 --> 00:01:11,403 [ rockets roaring ] 20 00:01:11,405 --> 00:01:13,071 We're watching this liftoff. 21 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:16,008 You see the roll maneuvers, beautiful blue sky. 22 00:01:16,143 --> 00:01:19,143 We do the normal review, and we start pointing out 23 00:01:19,145 --> 00:01:22,614 All the things that we normally see. 24 00:01:22,749 --> 00:01:25,818 And we got to 81 seconds, 25 00:01:25,953 --> 00:01:29,554 And then we see this object 26 00:01:29,556 --> 00:01:32,424 Come off of the external tank area. 27 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:34,292 ♪ 28 00:01:34,394 --> 00:01:38,363 It moved down, and then striked the vehicle 29 00:01:38,499 --> 00:01:44,302 And explode into a white cloud. 30 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:47,472 My reaction was, "oh, shit." 31 00:01:47,508 --> 00:01:55,508 ♪ 32 00:01:56,383 --> 00:02:04,383 ♪ 33 00:02:05,092 --> 00:02:08,826 - ♪ you'll always find me sunny side up ♪ 34 00:02:08,863 --> 00:02:12,997 ♪ you'll always find me sunny side up ♪ 35 00:02:12,999 --> 00:02:17,869 [ music playing indistinctly on radio ] 36 00:02:17,872 --> 00:02:19,938 -Columbia, houston. 37 00:02:20,073 --> 00:02:22,274 -Turned off? 38 00:02:22,276 --> 00:02:23,942 -Hey, good morning to all, 39 00:02:24,077 --> 00:02:28,480 And a special good morning to my wife, rona, 40 00:02:28,582 --> 00:02:30,983 The love of my life. 41 00:02:39,894 --> 00:02:43,962 - I remember myself going to sleep and imagining 42 00:02:43,964 --> 00:02:45,097 Where he is right now. 43 00:02:45,232 --> 00:02:46,565 "I wonder where he is right now. 44 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:48,833 He's somewhere over us, 45 00:02:48,835 --> 00:02:51,904 Maybe going around in the circles around the earth." 46 00:02:52,072 --> 00:03:00,072 ♪ 47 00:03:00,580 --> 00:03:02,046 [ laughter ] 48 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:03,848 It's surreal. 49 00:03:03,984 --> 00:03:08,386 These seven people who are, 50 00:03:08,388 --> 00:03:11,523 You know, living in space. 51 00:03:11,625 --> 00:03:14,392 Eating and working and... 52 00:03:14,494 --> 00:03:16,461 Going to the bathroom and... 53 00:03:16,564 --> 00:03:18,530 ♪ 54 00:03:18,632 --> 00:03:20,532 Seeing earth from space. 55 00:03:20,634 --> 00:03:25,938 ♪ 56 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,814 - Well, actually, things are going really well. 57 00:03:35,816 --> 00:03:39,017 And, uh, things have been working well. 58 00:03:39,152 --> 00:03:40,952 Columbia is in great shape 59 00:03:40,955 --> 00:03:44,022 And working absolutely perfectly. 60 00:03:44,157 --> 00:03:47,625 We had a great ride to orbit. 61 00:03:47,627 --> 00:03:50,829 - After the launch, we came home for the next 16 days. 62 00:03:50,831 --> 00:03:53,165 We knew that the crew was going to be in space. 63 00:03:53,266 --> 00:03:55,567 By that point, I mean, I turned on nasa tv here 64 00:03:55,669 --> 00:03:57,402 And just started watching the mission. 65 00:03:57,504 --> 00:04:01,573 ♪ 66 00:04:01,675 --> 00:04:03,908 -Next up for the blue shift 67 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:05,577 Was a blood draw experiment here. 68 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:06,978 Here, laurel is telling mike 69 00:04:06,981 --> 00:04:08,913 That this isn't going to hurt her a bit. 70 00:04:09,049 --> 00:04:10,849 -I was just thrilled for them. 71 00:04:10,984 --> 00:04:13,251 They were... They were doing great. 72 00:04:13,386 --> 00:04:17,255 There's pride, excitement. 73 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:20,458 But more than anything, I just loved listening to rick's voice. 74 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:22,594 I loved listening to him talk back and forth 75 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:23,895 With mission control. 76 00:04:29,369 --> 00:04:32,670 ♪ 77 00:04:32,672 --> 00:04:35,874 - As a kid, it mostly just felt... 78 00:04:36,009 --> 00:04:41,546 Exciting and new and just kind of made your world 79 00:04:41,548 --> 00:04:43,948 Feel more magical and bigger. 80 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:45,670 I was just like, "yeah, that's just awesome. 81 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:47,251 Space is so cool." 82 00:04:47,288 --> 00:04:55,288 ♪ 83 00:04:55,429 --> 00:04:58,162 -All of us as a group 84 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:03,501 Were extremely concerned about what we had just seen. 85 00:05:03,503 --> 00:05:06,905 Looking at that film, we were all discussing 86 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,108 How big are we talking about a problem? 87 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:13,778 How much damage are we talking about? 88 00:05:13,780 --> 00:05:16,048 Worst case would have been 89 00:05:16,183 --> 00:05:18,683 Damage all the way down to the skin of the vehicle. 90 00:05:18,719 --> 00:05:20,919 ♪ 91 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:24,256 That would have given us a problem during landing. 92 00:05:24,391 --> 00:05:26,591 Well, that probably would have been loss of vehicle 93 00:05:26,727 --> 00:05:27,727 And loss of crew. 94 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:31,529 ♪ 95 00:05:31,631 --> 00:05:35,333 So I went to see wayne, my boss. 96 00:05:35,369 --> 00:05:39,938 ♪ 97 00:05:40,073 --> 00:05:43,407 - Based on my 20-plus years of experience, 98 00:05:43,409 --> 00:05:48,813 I can tell you every shuttle flight that flew had issues. 99 00:05:48,815 --> 00:05:50,748 People came to me as a flight director 100 00:05:50,750 --> 00:05:53,084 Or as manager every day. 101 00:05:53,087 --> 00:05:55,620 In this case, bob page knocked on my door, 102 00:05:55,622 --> 00:05:59,624 Came in my office, and said... - "we've got a problem. 103 00:05:59,626 --> 00:06:02,026 This is the largest strike of the vehicle 104 00:06:02,162 --> 00:06:03,295 That we have ever seen." 105 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:07,031 - He's a little bit of a high-energy guy, 106 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:09,501 So it wasn't unusual, I didn't think. 107 00:06:09,503 --> 00:06:15,039 But he had a little video clip that he showed me. 108 00:06:15,175 --> 00:06:18,109 It's really hard to tell if anything bad had happened. 109 00:06:18,112 --> 00:06:23,315 I mean, this is insulating foam. It's lightweight. 110 00:06:23,416 --> 00:06:28,586 - So the orange, um, is the external tank 111 00:06:28,588 --> 00:06:31,123 Which is covered in foam on the outside. 112 00:06:31,258 --> 00:06:36,260 - It's carrying cryogenically cold liquid oxygen and hydrogen, 113 00:06:36,262 --> 00:06:38,863 And it's going to sit out on the launch pad 114 00:06:38,865 --> 00:06:41,065 In the sunshine in florida. 115 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:44,068 You don't want that to start boiling off, 116 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:46,070 So over the outside of the tank 117 00:06:46,206 --> 00:06:49,073 There is this spray-on insulating foam. 118 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:51,943 Cheap, very effective. 119 00:06:52,078 --> 00:06:53,345 But it's got this property 120 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,815 That, as you go through supersonic flight 121 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:59,951 In the atmosphere, bits of it come. 122 00:07:00,086 --> 00:07:05,757 - The question is how bad of shape is the orbiter in? 123 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,626 - And bob said, "I really wish there was some way 124 00:07:08,628 --> 00:07:10,895 To get more information." 125 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:14,232 - I knew this mission passed over places 126 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:18,703 Where there were some high-altitude telescopes. 127 00:07:18,705 --> 00:07:20,304 These are looking at stars. 128 00:07:20,306 --> 00:07:22,106 So if you want to look at the orbiter, 129 00:07:22,242 --> 00:07:24,709 You could probably get the entire orbiter 130 00:07:24,845 --> 00:07:26,844 Fit in the field of view 131 00:07:26,846 --> 00:07:29,914 And have extremely good resolution. 132 00:07:29,916 --> 00:07:31,315 -And I said, "well, 133 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,852 I don't really know much about that, bob. 134 00:07:33,987 --> 00:07:35,387 We'll have to check." 135 00:07:35,488 --> 00:07:38,190 - And so I got the assurance from wayne that, um, 136 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:40,524 He would make some calls and he would see what... 137 00:07:40,526 --> 00:07:45,429 What could be done, and, um, things were put into motion. 138 00:07:45,466 --> 00:07:47,999 ♪ 139 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:53,938 No. You don't want to alarm the crew that early. 140 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:57,942 They had just gotten onto orbit. They have a job to do. 141 00:07:57,944 --> 00:08:00,144 When we have the complete story, 142 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:03,615 Then that's when we pass it on to them. 143 00:08:03,750 --> 00:08:06,852 And we did not know what the problem was. 144 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:08,553 ♪ 145 00:08:10,957 --> 00:08:13,824 ♪ 146 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,825 [ radio crackling ] 147 00:08:14,961 --> 00:08:18,562 -Mom? Mom? 148 00:08:18,564 --> 00:08:21,465 I miss you. 149 00:08:25,471 --> 00:08:28,038 -Hi. 150 00:08:28,174 --> 00:08:29,840 -We talked using the early 151 00:08:29,976 --> 00:08:32,976 Tele-video conferencing capability 152 00:08:32,978 --> 00:08:36,580 And super low-tech bandwidth. 153 00:08:36,715 --> 00:08:41,451 It's ratty comm, but it's a very special time. 154 00:08:41,453 --> 00:08:42,987 -Mom? 155 00:08:47,459 --> 00:08:52,196 - It was a huge relief being able to... 156 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:54,098 See her again. 157 00:08:59,005 --> 00:09:01,105 [ giggles ] 158 00:09:02,274 --> 00:09:04,508 [ laughs ] 159 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:08,412 I really couldn't comprehend that she was in space. 160 00:09:08,414 --> 00:09:12,383 Like, it didn't... Make sense to me at all. 161 00:09:16,022 --> 00:09:17,622 [ laughs ] 162 00:09:43,916 --> 00:09:48,452 ♪ 163 00:09:48,554 --> 00:09:49,987 It felt like... 164 00:09:49,989 --> 00:09:53,224 Counting down to christmas waiting for her to get back. 165 00:09:56,396 --> 00:10:04,034 ♪ 166 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:11,909 ♪ 167 00:10:12,011 --> 00:10:19,749 ♪ 168 00:10:19,751 --> 00:10:23,821 - The second day of the mission was just an ordinary day for me. 169 00:10:23,956 --> 00:10:28,225 I was ready to go home about 5:00 on a Friday evening... 170 00:10:28,327 --> 00:10:30,160 [ telephone ringing ] 171 00:10:30,296 --> 00:10:34,164 And then I got a call from my manager. 172 00:10:34,166 --> 00:10:35,699 She said, "rodney, 173 00:10:35,834 --> 00:10:39,637 Do you know that a large piece of foam hit the left wing?" 174 00:10:39,739 --> 00:10:43,907 And I think I gasp and I said "ooh" or "ahh." 175 00:10:43,909 --> 00:10:46,910 I made some exclamation. "no, I did not hear that." 176 00:10:46,912 --> 00:10:49,346 And she said, "they have just released a video." 177 00:10:49,449 --> 00:10:53,784 ♪ 178 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,453 Every time I watched the video, 179 00:10:55,588 --> 00:10:58,989 I'm looking at portions of the video or a sector of it, 180 00:10:59,125 --> 00:11:03,327 Just to see if I can glean one more piece of detail out of it. 181 00:11:03,462 --> 00:11:04,795 And the question I had, 182 00:11:04,931 --> 00:11:08,399 "what is that cloud of expanding white stuff?" 183 00:11:10,402 --> 00:11:12,069 One can't help but ask, 184 00:11:12,204 --> 00:11:14,838 Is that part of the wing coming apart? 185 00:11:14,907 --> 00:11:17,675 ♪ 186 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:19,877 [ upbeat music playing on radio ] 187 00:11:20,012 --> 00:11:26,684 ♪ 188 00:11:26,786 --> 00:11:33,824 ♪ 189 00:11:45,638 --> 00:11:49,973 ♪ 190 00:11:50,108 --> 00:11:55,379 I was thinking about this foam strike all weekend. 191 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:58,716 And I thought, "can't we get the astronauts 192 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:00,450 To look through this side hatch window?" 193 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:01,919 There's a little window right here. 194 00:12:02,054 --> 00:12:03,521 This little dark circle. 195 00:12:03,656 --> 00:12:07,057 Could they have looked back to this area in here to see 196 00:12:07,059 --> 00:12:11,795 If there's any damage... Debris, residue, anything? 197 00:12:11,797 --> 00:12:15,665 What I was expecting is you first look with your eyes. 198 00:12:15,801 --> 00:12:16,667 Just look. 199 00:12:16,769 --> 00:12:24,274 ♪ 200 00:12:24,276 --> 00:12:27,010 - So let's see. Rodney sent me an e-mail. 201 00:12:27,012 --> 00:12:31,081 "we know that the remote manipulator system arm 202 00:12:31,217 --> 00:12:32,950 And cameras are not available, 203 00:12:32,952 --> 00:12:35,419 But what about the left side hatch window?" 204 00:12:35,554 --> 00:12:39,757 Uh, he's questioning whether there's been any action, 205 00:12:39,859 --> 00:12:43,561 Uh, to ask the crew to look for damage. 206 00:12:46,632 --> 00:12:48,165 Uh, no. 207 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:52,802 The area that was struck was not visible from the orbiter cabin. 208 00:12:52,839 --> 00:12:55,172 ♪ 209 00:12:55,307 --> 00:12:58,642 - Okay, well, good morning or good evening as the case goes 210 00:12:58,644 --> 00:13:00,444 For all you guys working around the clock 211 00:13:00,579 --> 00:13:01,979 There in houston. 212 00:13:01,981 --> 00:13:05,449 - You have to understand... Nasa works on procedures. 213 00:13:05,584 --> 00:13:08,118 We have a mission plan. - Red shift is 214 00:13:08,254 --> 00:13:09,653 Just finishing up their day. 215 00:13:09,655 --> 00:13:14,458 - Any deviation needs to be evaluated and assessed 216 00:13:14,593 --> 00:13:18,328 On how it will impact everything. 217 00:13:18,330 --> 00:13:19,729 -Laurel, just to be advised, 218 00:13:19,731 --> 00:13:21,398 You have about two minutes of video. 219 00:13:21,533 --> 00:13:26,003 - To deviate from the processes and the procedures, 220 00:13:26,005 --> 00:13:29,406 You need to have a reason, 221 00:13:29,541 --> 00:13:31,741 And the reason needs data. 222 00:13:31,743 --> 00:13:36,480 It's not just "I have a bad feeling about this." 223 00:13:36,615 --> 00:13:39,883 - And I got no reply to my e-mail. 224 00:13:40,018 --> 00:13:41,852 My request was never answered. 225 00:13:46,558 --> 00:13:49,159 - Columbia, this is cnn. How do you read me? 226 00:13:49,295 --> 00:13:51,361 - Hey, cnn. We've got you loud and clear. 227 00:13:51,497 --> 00:13:54,832 - Stand by, and we'll have you on the tele here very shortly. 228 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:58,035 Say hello to the crew of the space shuttle columbia, 229 00:13:58,037 --> 00:14:02,105 Now traveling above the pacific at 17,300 miles an hour, 230 00:14:02,107 --> 00:14:04,708 150 miles above us, waving to us. 231 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:06,710 Let's give you an idea of who's who. 232 00:14:06,812 --> 00:14:08,978 I remember interviewing the crew in space. 233 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:10,848 Rick husband, the commander, second mission. 234 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:12,249 Laurel clark... 235 00:14:12,384 --> 00:14:14,096 Prepping for that interview, I thought about 236 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,854 The foam strike and how to handle it. 237 00:14:16,989 --> 00:14:21,525 But on launch day, when I saw that... Footage, 238 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:24,194 I wasn't sure what to think about it. 239 00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:28,265 I'm not a rocket scientist, so I called to somebody 240 00:14:28,267 --> 00:14:31,201 Who I know... Knew very well at nasa. 241 00:14:31,337 --> 00:14:34,804 I said, "help me understand how worried I should be for this." 242 00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:40,343 And he said, "oh, it's foam. It's very light material. 243 00:14:40,345 --> 00:14:42,079 Probably doesn't cause any damage." 244 00:14:42,214 --> 00:14:45,482 But it nagged me the whole mission. 245 00:14:45,584 --> 00:14:47,951 Colonel ramon, um, I'm curious, 246 00:14:48,086 --> 00:14:51,355 Was the launch what you expected? 247 00:15:06,505 --> 00:15:07,905 I was thinking about the foam. 248 00:15:08,007 --> 00:15:10,840 I just didn't know how to, in a five-minute interview, 249 00:15:10,976 --> 00:15:13,376 Set that up. 250 00:15:13,378 --> 00:15:15,178 Are all these experiments working? 251 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:18,181 They couldn't all be working as planned. 252 00:15:18,183 --> 00:15:20,584 - Well, things are going very smoothly. 253 00:15:20,586 --> 00:15:23,921 As expected, there's some minor glitches. 254 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,525 - I had gone through this process of convincing myself 255 00:15:28,627 --> 00:15:30,393 That it was going to be okay. 256 00:15:30,395 --> 00:15:33,663 Alright. We're going to have to leave it at that. 257 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:36,866 But I had this sinking feeling. 258 00:15:37,002 --> 00:15:38,301 Didn't feel right. 259 00:15:38,337 --> 00:15:40,003 ♪ 260 00:15:42,479 --> 00:15:45,347 ♪ 261 00:15:50,487 --> 00:15:54,156 - We spent the weekend analyzing this film. 262 00:15:54,158 --> 00:15:59,227 We estimated the size of the foam 16 inches across, 263 00:15:59,229 --> 00:16:01,763 18 inches long... suitcase size. 264 00:16:01,766 --> 00:16:07,502 So it's a big chunk of foam moving at 750 miles an hour. 265 00:16:07,504 --> 00:16:10,372 But in the end, what we did not know 266 00:16:10,374 --> 00:16:14,209 Was the condition of the vehicle post-strike. 267 00:16:14,344 --> 00:16:18,380 ♪ 268 00:16:18,515 --> 00:16:20,315 -Returning from space, 269 00:16:20,451 --> 00:16:24,787 A craft that is going 17,500 miles an hour 270 00:16:24,922 --> 00:16:27,255 Heats up gases, 271 00:16:27,257 --> 00:16:32,861 And very hot gases become something we call plasma. 272 00:16:32,963 --> 00:16:36,331 The shuttle is enveloped in this inferno, 273 00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:40,002 And it's kind of beautiful. 274 00:16:40,104 --> 00:16:43,806 But obviously you want to be protected from it. 275 00:16:43,941 --> 00:16:45,252 - Well, they came to the conclusion 276 00:16:45,276 --> 00:16:47,275 That the best way to deal with that 277 00:16:47,277 --> 00:16:51,213 Was to arrange a system of tiles to cover the shuttle. 278 00:16:51,215 --> 00:16:55,483 - All of the black here shown is all tiles. 279 00:16:55,485 --> 00:16:58,887 - And these tiles are made of a silica fiber material 280 00:16:58,989 --> 00:17:00,955 Which is very heat-resistant. 281 00:17:00,957 --> 00:17:06,161 - I can show you. This is a test tile. 282 00:17:06,297 --> 00:17:08,563 - There are about 31,000 of them all together, 283 00:17:08,699 --> 00:17:10,699 And we hope those tiles will stay on 284 00:17:10,701 --> 00:17:12,701 When the orbiter comes back into the atmosphere, 285 00:17:12,703 --> 00:17:15,370 Because otherwise the craft itself could be damaged. 286 00:17:15,372 --> 00:17:19,174 - During the development of the space shuttle in the 1970s, 287 00:17:19,310 --> 00:17:21,509 There was quite an effort to develop a way 288 00:17:21,511 --> 00:17:26,114 To repair damaged tiles on orbit. 289 00:17:26,249 --> 00:17:28,383 It was a huge effort... 290 00:17:28,385 --> 00:17:29,918 And it was an utter failure. 291 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,321 They could not develop anything, 292 00:17:33,323 --> 00:17:36,791 And that was one of the "accepted risks" 293 00:17:36,894 --> 00:17:38,861 Of flying in space. 294 00:17:38,996 --> 00:17:42,130 ♪ 295 00:17:42,265 --> 00:17:45,367 - Okay. Good morning. We're ready for roll. 296 00:17:50,908 --> 00:17:54,276 - In a meeting, there's 20, 30 people in the room. 297 00:17:54,278 --> 00:17:57,211 There's people joining from kennedy. 298 00:17:57,213 --> 00:18:00,348 There's people from huntington beach, california, 299 00:18:00,350 --> 00:18:04,419 Representative from engineering, a representative from the crew. 300 00:18:10,427 --> 00:18:14,629 The chairman of the meeting was linda ham. 301 00:18:14,765 --> 00:18:17,432 -She basically ran this mission. 302 00:18:17,434 --> 00:18:19,834 - If there were going to be any changes, 303 00:18:19,937 --> 00:18:21,169 She headed up this team 304 00:18:21,304 --> 00:18:23,438 That would have to approve any changes. 305 00:18:23,574 --> 00:18:27,309 - She was effectively the deputy to ron dittemore, 306 00:18:27,311 --> 00:18:31,780 The program manager in those days. 307 00:18:31,915 --> 00:18:33,782 Linda has excellent judgment, 308 00:18:33,784 --> 00:18:36,985 Can grasp complicated problems very quickly. 309 00:18:37,087 --> 00:18:43,192 She was the first woman to be certified as a flight director. 310 00:19:02,946 --> 00:19:08,750 Linda was recalling sts-112, a flight two flights before. 311 00:19:08,885 --> 00:19:10,084 -[ indistinct ] 312 00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:12,420 -Main engine start. 313 00:19:12,422 --> 00:19:14,422 Two... One... 314 00:19:14,424 --> 00:19:16,424 We got booster ignition and liftoff 315 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:18,560 Of the space shuttle atlantis. 316 00:19:18,562 --> 00:19:24,232 - Sts-112 had a very similar piece of foam come off 317 00:19:24,234 --> 00:19:28,170 From almost the same location, 318 00:19:28,172 --> 00:19:33,708 But in that case, the foam hit solid rocket booster 319 00:19:33,844 --> 00:19:35,043 And put a dent in it. 320 00:19:35,145 --> 00:19:38,180 - The foam traveled... Traveled down. 321 00:19:38,282 --> 00:19:43,185 It struck right here, these three lines. 322 00:19:43,287 --> 00:19:46,454 - It didn't hit the orbiter, so it was no effect 323 00:19:46,589 --> 00:19:47,655 To the flight. 324 00:19:47,657 --> 00:19:50,124 The management team, they analyzed it 325 00:19:50,260 --> 00:19:51,393 And came up with the conclusion 326 00:19:51,395 --> 00:19:55,597 That no safety of flight issue existed. 327 00:19:57,401 --> 00:20:01,203 - We dodged a bullet on that one. 328 00:20:01,305 --> 00:20:04,906 Here's your warning, and you only get one. 329 00:20:05,009 --> 00:20:08,543 ♪ 330 00:20:08,545 --> 00:20:10,212 -A special team was forming, 331 00:20:10,314 --> 00:20:13,948 And I was told that I would be on it. 332 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:19,153 The mission management wanted to know how bad is it... 333 00:20:19,155 --> 00:20:23,425 No damage, minimal damage or grave damage. 334 00:20:25,229 --> 00:20:28,030 In that room on the first meeting, 335 00:20:28,165 --> 00:20:30,899 There were probably 12 to 15 people. 336 00:20:30,901 --> 00:20:34,302 They were the best experts in different fields, 337 00:20:34,304 --> 00:20:40,042 But all we knew was this was foam 338 00:20:40,177 --> 00:20:41,509 And it hit the left wing. 339 00:20:41,511 --> 00:20:44,246 But where on the left wing... 340 00:20:44,248 --> 00:20:46,047 We did not know. 341 00:20:46,116 --> 00:20:49,383 ♪ 342 00:20:49,385 --> 00:20:53,255 This is why we naturally came to the conclusion 343 00:20:53,357 --> 00:20:56,591 We cannot initiate a credible analysis 344 00:20:56,593 --> 00:21:01,195 Until we know the damage location and extent of damage. 345 00:21:01,331 --> 00:21:03,865 We must have another piece of data, 346 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,935 Another image. 347 00:21:06,937 --> 00:21:10,071 I knew that the military satellites at that time 348 00:21:10,074 --> 00:21:12,006 Were extremely good. 349 00:21:12,109 --> 00:21:13,475 There were stories like 350 00:21:13,477 --> 00:21:16,811 They could read license plates from space. 351 00:21:16,813 --> 00:21:19,481 - We have quite a fleet of spy satellites out there, 352 00:21:19,616 --> 00:21:22,216 And mostly are trying to, at that time, 353 00:21:22,218 --> 00:21:24,218 Chase down terrorists in afghanistan 354 00:21:24,354 --> 00:21:25,620 And iraq or whatever. 355 00:21:25,756 --> 00:21:30,158 Aiming it at the shuttle was a possibility. 356 00:21:30,961 --> 00:21:34,296 - That's why the whole group thought it was a good idea. 357 00:21:34,398 --> 00:21:37,199 Let's ask for military assets. 358 00:21:40,104 --> 00:21:44,372 The meeting participants all agreed. 359 00:21:44,507 --> 00:21:46,441 "we will always have big uncertainties 360 00:21:46,577 --> 00:21:48,777 Until we get definitive, better, 361 00:21:48,912 --> 00:21:54,116 Clearer photos of the wing and body underside." 362 00:21:54,785 --> 00:21:59,120 So, in boldface, I put, "can we petition, 363 00:21:59,123 --> 00:22:03,024 Beg for outside agency assistance?" 364 00:22:03,127 --> 00:22:08,763 ♪ 365 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:14,002 ♪ 366 00:22:14,137 --> 00:22:16,505 -Good morning, blue. 367 00:22:26,082 --> 00:22:27,281 -You know, as a kid, 368 00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:28,795 Your imagination just like, runs wild. 369 00:22:28,819 --> 00:22:30,752 And I'm like, do they just float and sleep 370 00:22:30,887 --> 00:22:35,289 Or, you know, does he get to go out in actual space? 371 00:22:35,291 --> 00:22:36,758 Did he see aliens? 372 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,561 Mostly just thought, like, he was an explorer. 373 00:22:39,696 --> 00:22:42,764 Kind of like, I don't know, like a space indiana jones. 374 00:22:42,766 --> 00:22:45,367 - You know, we make it a point to get out and go to schools 375 00:22:45,369 --> 00:22:46,901 And talk to kids all the time. 376 00:22:46,903 --> 00:22:48,837 And when I do that, I really try to let them know 377 00:22:48,972 --> 00:22:51,239 What it was like for me when I was a kid growing up, 378 00:22:51,341 --> 00:22:52,701 And how I had this dream of one day 379 00:22:52,775 --> 00:22:54,776 Becoming an astronaut, and that really, 380 00:22:54,911 --> 00:22:56,844 If you work hard and you're always persistent, 381 00:22:56,846 --> 00:23:00,248 You can really make those dreams come true. 382 00:23:00,350 --> 00:23:02,584 - He wanted to always be involved in something 383 00:23:02,586 --> 00:23:05,653 That was kind of bigger than him, 384 00:23:05,788 --> 00:23:10,592 That contributed to to society, that had a purpose. 385 00:23:12,062 --> 00:23:13,194 It was fun to watch him. 386 00:23:13,197 --> 00:23:15,530 He looked like he was enjoying himself. 387 00:23:15,666 --> 00:23:17,131 The crew looked like they were doing 388 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:18,400 What they needed to be doing, 389 00:23:18,402 --> 00:23:20,602 And everything was going off really well. 390 00:23:20,604 --> 00:23:24,306 And I didn't know at that time that... 391 00:23:25,409 --> 00:23:27,475 Anything concerning had happened. 392 00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:29,211 There were people that did, though, 393 00:23:29,346 --> 00:23:31,913 But I wasn't one of them. 394 00:23:32,015 --> 00:23:34,616 ♪ 395 00:23:37,854 --> 00:23:40,955 ♪ 396 00:23:43,659 --> 00:23:45,860 -I was in my office in florida, 397 00:23:45,862 --> 00:23:48,329 And I got a phone call from the head 398 00:23:48,431 --> 00:23:49,930 Of what we call systems integrations. 399 00:23:49,932 --> 00:23:53,601 He's an engineer who I respect very highly, 400 00:23:53,737 --> 00:23:56,937 But he said, "hey, we really don't have all the information 401 00:23:56,939 --> 00:23:59,740 We'd like to have on this debris strike. 402 00:23:59,742 --> 00:24:01,542 Do you know of anybody that's got a way 403 00:24:01,544 --> 00:24:03,678 To get better pictures?" 404 00:24:03,813 --> 00:24:07,815 Now, I had this engineer as well as bob, 405 00:24:07,817 --> 00:24:12,687 Asking me to see if I could find out some more information. 406 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:17,158 Nasa does not own any military satellites, 407 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,027 But at that time we had a close working relationship 408 00:24:20,163 --> 00:24:26,901 With the patrick air force base, so I put in a request with them. 409 00:24:28,904 --> 00:24:31,706 - There's a lot of work to get a photo. 410 00:24:31,841 --> 00:24:34,041 One would have to interrupt the mission 411 00:24:34,043 --> 00:24:36,911 To get the right lighting, to make sure you're over, 412 00:24:36,913 --> 00:24:39,514 The right satellite is in position. 413 00:24:39,616 --> 00:24:42,583 And then now you have an army of people on the ground. 414 00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:44,785 We have to reorient the shuttle 415 00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:47,855 For the proper exposure angles and all that. 416 00:24:47,857 --> 00:24:50,657 And to do that means they may have to terminate 417 00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:52,593 Their science experiments. 418 00:24:52,728 --> 00:24:54,395 In a program manager's mind, 419 00:24:54,397 --> 00:24:57,932 That's responsible for getting shuttles up there on schedule, 420 00:24:58,067 --> 00:25:00,134 If you interrupt the science mission, 421 00:25:00,269 --> 00:25:01,936 You have the ire of all the people 422 00:25:02,071 --> 00:25:04,739 And the science objectives were now ruined. 423 00:25:04,874 --> 00:25:08,376 And that looks badly on nasa. 424 00:25:11,381 --> 00:25:13,480 -A little bit later in the day, 425 00:25:13,482 --> 00:25:16,350 In the afternoon, I got a call from linda, 426 00:25:16,353 --> 00:25:17,952 And she said, "hey, I heard 427 00:25:17,954 --> 00:25:21,355 That you were trying to get some better pictures." 428 00:25:21,358 --> 00:25:25,359 And she said that she had talked to all the appropriate managers 429 00:25:25,362 --> 00:25:28,763 And no one had a requirement for any more information. 430 00:25:28,765 --> 00:25:31,566 They had what they needed to do the analysis. 431 00:25:31,668 --> 00:25:33,300 She said, "I want you to turn this off 432 00:25:33,403 --> 00:25:36,437 Because we don't need to bother those other people." 433 00:25:36,539 --> 00:25:38,039 - How did you feel when she said that? 434 00:25:38,174 --> 00:25:39,440 -I was mad 435 00:25:39,542 --> 00:25:41,308 Because I don't like to be overruled. 436 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:45,713 I'd been, you know, trying to act within my authority, 437 00:25:45,849 --> 00:25:49,917 And I'd been countermanded by my boss. 438 00:25:50,653 --> 00:25:52,519 - Linda ham knew that nasa's history 439 00:25:52,655 --> 00:25:54,188 With the department of defense 440 00:25:54,290 --> 00:26:00,495 And using spy satellites was a little bit checkered. 441 00:26:02,432 --> 00:26:04,599 - There had been a previous mission 442 00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:09,870 Where the landing parachute door came off on launch, 443 00:26:10,005 --> 00:26:15,876 So the orbiter was flying with the parachute without its door. 444 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,480 Nasa made a request to get some imagery. 445 00:26:19,582 --> 00:26:21,949 However, the photos didn't help much. 446 00:26:22,085 --> 00:26:24,085 - So, even if you can get photographs, 447 00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:27,822 It doesn't mean they'll necessarily show anything. 448 00:26:27,824 --> 00:26:29,624 - I think they were a little bit embarrassed 449 00:26:29,726 --> 00:26:31,358 In the end about asking. 450 00:26:31,461 --> 00:26:35,562 And nasa never wants to look stupid. 451 00:26:35,665 --> 00:26:38,499 Nasa wants to be the agency with the answers. 452 00:26:38,601 --> 00:26:40,167 -If you'd have said, "linda, 453 00:26:40,169 --> 00:26:42,703 Two different people need this information. 454 00:26:42,705 --> 00:26:44,905 Their departments are both asking. 455 00:26:44,907 --> 00:26:46,173 Are you aware?" 456 00:26:46,175 --> 00:26:48,509 That may have changed the course of events. 457 00:26:48,611 --> 00:26:51,912 - Could I have argued with her? Maybe. 458 00:26:51,914 --> 00:26:55,182 But did I get the impression that her mind was made up 459 00:26:55,184 --> 00:26:57,584 And, you know, that was the end of that? 460 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,720 That's kind of where I was. 461 00:26:59,855 --> 00:27:02,056 And you can say, "well, you should have argued more." 462 00:27:02,191 --> 00:27:05,660 Well, that would that's nice of you to say that, but I didn't. 463 00:27:05,762 --> 00:27:07,394 I was going to be a good soldier. 464 00:27:07,497 --> 00:27:09,530 So I called air force base and said, 465 00:27:09,532 --> 00:27:15,269 "I know I made this request. Um, turns out we don't need it. 466 00:27:15,371 --> 00:27:17,838 Forget I asked about it." 467 00:27:17,907 --> 00:27:20,141 ♪ 468 00:27:23,346 --> 00:27:26,747 - I was told that we would not be getting images. 469 00:27:26,882 --> 00:27:32,753 When I read it, I got angry and confused. 470 00:27:32,888 --> 00:27:34,355 What does this mean? 471 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:39,694 So, I e-mailed paul shack. 472 00:27:39,796 --> 00:27:43,030 I e-mailed, "why? Did you do anything about it?" 473 00:27:43,032 --> 00:27:45,632 No reply, no reply, no reply. Quiet. 474 00:27:45,768 --> 00:27:47,501 So I called him, and I got him. 475 00:27:47,504 --> 00:27:49,504 - He was shouting at me. [ chuckles ] 476 00:27:49,639 --> 00:27:50,971 Can't call it an argument 477 00:27:51,106 --> 00:27:52,707 Because an argument takes two people shouting, 478 00:27:52,709 --> 00:27:55,843 And just one was shouting in this case. 479 00:27:55,979 --> 00:27:59,213 - I asked him, "why are you ignoring? 480 00:27:59,783 --> 00:28:01,782 You didn't reply to my e-mail. Why?" 481 00:28:01,784 --> 00:28:04,051 I was asking why you didn't respond. 482 00:28:04,053 --> 00:28:06,120 Now I have you. 483 00:28:06,255 --> 00:28:08,923 -Well, I got sarcastic. 484 00:28:08,925 --> 00:28:11,992 I said, "don't be a chicken little." 485 00:28:12,562 --> 00:28:15,530 - Paul shack treated me as if I were the well-intentioned 486 00:28:15,665 --> 00:28:17,998 But silly chicken. 487 00:28:18,934 --> 00:28:22,803 And the lesson is chicken little is not to be trusted. 488 00:28:22,938 --> 00:28:26,607 Chicken little always gets excited. 489 00:28:27,343 --> 00:28:30,745 I was very upset and angry and disappointed 490 00:28:30,847 --> 00:28:34,749 With my engineering organizations, top to bottom. 491 00:28:34,751 --> 00:28:39,686 There's a ticking clock. We were losing time. 492 00:28:39,688 --> 00:28:42,623 This is an e-mail I drafted. 493 00:28:42,625 --> 00:28:44,425 "in my humble technical opinion, 494 00:28:44,427 --> 00:28:49,230 This is the wrong and bordering on irresponsible answer, 495 00:28:49,365 --> 00:28:52,232 Not to request additional imaging help 496 00:28:52,234 --> 00:28:54,835 From any outside source. 497 00:28:54,837 --> 00:28:56,703 Remember this, nasa safety posters 498 00:28:56,705 --> 00:29:02,243 Everywhere around stating 'if it's not safe, say so.' 499 00:29:02,378 --> 00:29:05,780 Yes, it's that serious." 500 00:29:05,782 --> 00:29:07,782 I felt the need to draft that e-mail 501 00:29:07,784 --> 00:29:09,917 With that strong language. 502 00:29:10,053 --> 00:29:14,721 And the strongest word in there is accusatory, "irresponsible." 503 00:29:15,191 --> 00:29:18,725 But I struggled on sending it or not sending it. 504 00:29:18,861 --> 00:29:22,729 I was afraid about my future career. 505 00:29:23,266 --> 00:29:26,133 I was married, and we had a child, 506 00:29:26,135 --> 00:29:28,870 Had a home, had a mortgage. 507 00:29:30,907 --> 00:29:34,709 And I did not send it in the end. 508 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:39,413 - I remember that Wednesday night 509 00:29:39,515 --> 00:29:40,815 When I came home from work, 510 00:29:40,817 --> 00:29:44,952 He showed me the e-mail that he had not sent. 511 00:29:45,088 --> 00:29:50,625 He was very agitated, very frustrated 512 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,361 Because he wasn't sure what to do. 513 00:29:54,831 --> 00:29:58,699 The thrust was finish the analysis, 514 00:29:58,701 --> 00:30:01,502 Even though you have no information 515 00:30:01,504 --> 00:30:03,704 On which to base your analysis. 516 00:30:03,706 --> 00:30:08,175 And if it's bad, then we'll try to do something. 517 00:30:08,177 --> 00:30:16,177 He said, "it's like being asked to analyze a car accident 518 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,786 That has just happened outside, 519 00:30:19,922 --> 00:30:24,058 But you're not allowed to look out the window." 520 00:30:24,694 --> 00:30:26,527 - But the total denial forced us 521 00:30:26,529 --> 00:30:27,995 Into the rock and a hard place. 522 00:30:28,131 --> 00:30:32,733 We have to produce an analysis anyway, without a photo. 523 00:30:36,105 --> 00:30:39,139 ♪ 524 00:31:08,771 --> 00:31:12,172 - Alright. Now we play volleyball. 525 00:31:15,411 --> 00:31:17,344 [ laughs ] 526 00:31:18,781 --> 00:31:21,015 Football. 527 00:31:22,484 --> 00:31:24,184 Bicycle kick. 528 00:31:25,687 --> 00:31:28,088 [ laughter ] 529 00:31:53,248 --> 00:31:58,718 - Okay, so this is the e-mail that was sent to the crew. 530 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,055 "you guys are doing a fantastic job staying on timeline 531 00:32:02,057 --> 00:32:04,791 And accomplishing great science. 532 00:32:05,461 --> 00:32:09,463 There is one item that I would like to make you aware of. 533 00:32:09,598 --> 00:32:11,799 This item is not even worth mentioning, 534 00:32:11,934 --> 00:32:13,667 Other than wanting to make sure 535 00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:15,803 That you are not surprised by it 536 00:32:15,938 --> 00:32:18,405 In a question from a reporter. 537 00:32:18,974 --> 00:32:21,408 During ascent, at approximately 80 seconds, 538 00:32:21,410 --> 00:32:22,476 Some debris came loose 539 00:32:22,611 --> 00:32:26,079 And subsequently impacted the orbiter left wing. 540 00:32:26,214 --> 00:32:28,948 Experts have reviewed the high-speed photography, 541 00:32:29,084 --> 00:32:32,419 And there is no concern for rcc or tile damage. 542 00:32:32,421 --> 00:32:34,487 We have seen this same phenomenon 543 00:32:34,489 --> 00:32:35,689 On several other flights 544 00:32:35,691 --> 00:32:37,957 And there's absolutely no concern for entry. 545 00:32:37,959 --> 00:32:39,292 That is all for now 546 00:32:39,294 --> 00:32:42,229 It is a pleasure working with you every day." 547 00:32:45,767 --> 00:32:49,036 So, they saw something. They're taking care of it. 548 00:32:49,672 --> 00:32:56,210 This e-mail was too short, too sweet, too easy. 549 00:32:58,514 --> 00:33:01,248 - Okay. Good morning and welcome to the mmt. 550 00:33:01,383 --> 00:33:06,920 - Day nine. Rodney's team presented their analysis. 551 00:33:20,169 --> 00:33:23,070 - I wasn't presenting the results of our analysis. 552 00:33:23,072 --> 00:33:25,739 The protocol was that a senior engineer 553 00:33:25,741 --> 00:33:28,408 Would present on our behalf. 554 00:33:44,426 --> 00:33:47,560 - We all knew that if the engineers find out 555 00:33:47,562 --> 00:33:53,233 That this is bad, there is nothing we can do. 556 00:33:53,369 --> 00:33:59,106 If your heat shield was lost, that was just the end game. 557 00:33:59,808 --> 00:34:02,309 - The presentation showed five scenarios 558 00:34:02,444 --> 00:34:06,379 That we were analyzing over the past few days. 559 00:34:06,381 --> 00:34:08,982 - Rodney's concern was uncertainty 560 00:34:09,117 --> 00:34:10,984 In where the damage was. 561 00:34:10,986 --> 00:34:13,320 The way they compensated for that 562 00:34:13,455 --> 00:34:17,857 Was to analyze multiple possible locations. 563 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,259 Instead of analyzing this area, 564 00:34:20,261 --> 00:34:23,096 We're going to analyze this area. 565 00:34:35,945 --> 00:34:39,212 "it would cause localized heating, 566 00:34:39,214 --> 00:34:41,881 But no burn through," 567 00:34:41,984 --> 00:34:45,185 I believe were the words that they used. 568 00:34:49,158 --> 00:34:51,959 - When we completed the analysis, 569 00:34:52,094 --> 00:34:55,729 None of the scenario showed a fatal outcome. 570 00:34:58,834 --> 00:35:00,033 -I felt some relief. 571 00:35:00,135 --> 00:35:01,946 I thought we were in good shape, I believed him. 572 00:35:01,970 --> 00:35:03,081 -That's what you want to hear. 573 00:35:03,105 --> 00:35:04,237 You don't want to hear, 574 00:35:04,372 --> 00:35:05,973 "we're going to lose the vehicle." 575 00:35:06,108 --> 00:35:08,041 - What's missing in that is we should have had 576 00:35:08,043 --> 00:35:10,243 In boldface at the very beginning, 577 00:35:10,378 --> 00:35:14,247 "these are engineering assumption cases. 578 00:35:14,382 --> 00:35:16,383 We do not know without extra data 579 00:35:16,385 --> 00:35:21,221 Whether these are actual representations of reality. 580 00:35:36,138 --> 00:35:40,006 A turnaround issue, what they meant was some level of repair. 581 00:35:40,009 --> 00:35:41,408 -So when columbia comes back? 582 00:35:41,543 --> 00:35:45,078 - When it comes back, but nothing really bad. 583 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:47,214 That bad. Just local repair. 584 00:35:47,316 --> 00:35:49,482 Patch it up and let's go again. 585 00:35:49,617 --> 00:35:52,151 - And that's what was being communicated to linda... 586 00:35:52,153 --> 00:35:55,422 - Yes. Yes, yes. - Okay. 587 00:35:56,025 --> 00:35:57,290 Even though you all sat there... 588 00:35:57,292 --> 00:35:59,692 - Yes. - And thought it wasn't okay. 589 00:35:59,694 --> 00:36:01,895 What? You didn't... you didn't... 590 00:36:01,897 --> 00:36:03,430 She was in the room with you. 591 00:36:03,565 --> 00:36:05,832 - She was in the room with us. - So what... 592 00:36:05,934 --> 00:36:08,301 What prevented you from going to talk to her? 593 00:36:08,303 --> 00:36:12,371 -The chain of command protocol. 594 00:36:12,373 --> 00:36:15,575 You don't approach managers directly. 595 00:36:15,711 --> 00:36:17,777 - You're, you know, you're a grown man 596 00:36:17,779 --> 00:36:19,646 And you're in the room of only 12... 597 00:36:19,648 --> 00:36:22,782 - I'm a grown man with grown men telling me not to do that. 598 00:36:22,784 --> 00:36:25,852 There are other grown men with power and authority saying, 599 00:36:25,954 --> 00:36:27,787 "don't do that." 600 00:36:27,923 --> 00:36:29,923 - What would have been the repercussions of talking 601 00:36:29,991 --> 00:36:32,125 To her in that room? 602 00:36:33,461 --> 00:36:36,463 -I don't know if, uh... 603 00:36:38,967 --> 00:36:40,667 I don't know. 604 00:36:59,221 --> 00:37:04,124 ♪ 605 00:37:04,226 --> 00:37:09,829 ♪ 606 00:37:09,965 --> 00:37:12,699 - I really love seeing a team come together, 607 00:37:12,701 --> 00:37:18,571 And the bigger team who makes this entire mission possible 608 00:37:18,573 --> 00:37:20,840 Is the team on the ground, 609 00:37:20,976 --> 00:37:23,576 And all the folks who work in mission control, 610 00:37:23,578 --> 00:37:26,779 And all the folks who work at the different nasa centers. 611 00:37:26,781 --> 00:37:30,717 It's just such a great feeling for me to... 612 00:37:30,852 --> 00:37:33,186 To see everybody working together as a team 613 00:37:33,288 --> 00:37:34,921 Like that, and even getting up here 614 00:37:35,056 --> 00:37:37,991 And hearing their familiar voices on the on the radio, 615 00:37:38,126 --> 00:37:40,160 It's just a great feeling. 616 00:37:44,132 --> 00:37:49,936 - We are supposed to do everything we can for the crew. 617 00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:53,473 They trust us, they have their training and expertise, 618 00:37:53,609 --> 00:37:57,344 But they want to believe and pull full faith 619 00:37:57,346 --> 00:38:00,380 That we're doing the very best for them. 620 00:38:02,283 --> 00:38:05,685 -In the nasa world, 621 00:38:05,687 --> 00:38:10,089 People don't talk in terms of "it's life or death." 622 00:38:10,091 --> 00:38:14,493 You use the terms "threat to the vehicle and crew," 623 00:38:14,495 --> 00:38:18,231 Or "risk to the vehicle and crew." 624 00:38:18,333 --> 00:38:20,834 It might have more power or more punch 625 00:38:20,969 --> 00:38:25,439 If we talk life and death, but we don't. 626 00:38:25,574 --> 00:38:30,777 ♪ 627 00:38:30,946 --> 00:38:35,715 ♪ 628 00:38:35,717 --> 00:38:37,717 - Okay, well, then, we've got, uh, 629 00:38:37,853 --> 00:38:39,452 An announcement that we'd like to make 630 00:38:39,454 --> 00:38:43,390 On behalf of the sts-107 crew. 631 00:38:44,059 --> 00:38:46,459 It is today that we remember and honor 632 00:38:46,461 --> 00:38:49,929 The crews of apollo 1 and challenger. 633 00:38:49,931 --> 00:38:51,865 They made the ultimate sacrifice, 634 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,867 Giving their lives and service to their country 635 00:38:54,869 --> 00:38:56,469 And for all mankind. 636 00:38:56,604 --> 00:38:57,937 Their dedication and devotion 637 00:38:58,073 --> 00:39:00,940 To the exploration of space was an inspiration 638 00:39:00,942 --> 00:39:03,610 To each of us, and still motivates people 639 00:39:03,745 --> 00:39:06,213 Around the world to achieve great things 640 00:39:06,348 --> 00:39:08,815 In service to others. 641 00:39:08,817 --> 00:39:10,349 As we orbit the earth, 642 00:39:10,485 --> 00:39:12,552 We will join the entire nasa family 643 00:39:12,688 --> 00:39:15,555 For a moment of silence in their memory. 644 00:39:15,691 --> 00:39:19,826 Our thoughts and prayers go to their families as well. 645 00:39:21,963 --> 00:39:23,663 -Here we go. 646 00:39:41,983 --> 00:39:46,119 - We went to nasa and did what they called a teleconference. 647 00:39:46,254 --> 00:39:47,654 Yeah, I remember being excited. 648 00:39:55,063 --> 00:39:56,463 -He did all these 649 00:39:56,465 --> 00:39:58,931 What he would call stupid astronaut tricks. 650 00:39:58,933 --> 00:40:01,468 I think he did different flips and, like, would poke 651 00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:04,804 His head out from different angles to make us laugh. 652 00:40:04,806 --> 00:40:07,474 And also just to play around with weightlessness. 653 00:40:07,576 --> 00:40:10,477 When else are you going to be able to float on camera? 654 00:40:10,479 --> 00:40:12,545 So... [ chuckles ] 655 00:40:12,547 --> 00:40:15,282 It was really cool to see. 656 00:40:17,218 --> 00:40:18,485 -It was our dating anniversary. 657 00:40:18,587 --> 00:40:20,554 It was also the anniversary of challenger. 658 00:40:29,697 --> 00:40:31,764 We had about 20 or 25 minutes 659 00:40:31,899 --> 00:40:35,402 And he shared how the mission was going. 660 00:40:40,175 --> 00:40:44,243 - It was so nice to be able to see him, talk to him. 661 00:40:44,245 --> 00:40:45,912 And he was having a blast. 662 00:40:50,051 --> 00:40:51,984 - I just kept telling him how much I loved him 663 00:40:51,986 --> 00:40:53,520 And he said, "I love you guys so much." 664 00:40:53,622 --> 00:40:55,322 He goes, "evelyn, I love you so much." 665 00:40:55,457 --> 00:40:57,456 And just kept saying that. 666 00:40:57,458 --> 00:40:59,192 Those are our last words ever. 667 00:40:59,327 --> 00:41:00,727 That was it. 668 00:41:07,736 --> 00:41:11,003 - I got a really nice note from evelyn husband 669 00:41:11,005 --> 00:41:13,740 And she just said, "I just want you to know 670 00:41:13,742 --> 00:41:19,546 How much we at nasa appreciate how you cover space." 671 00:41:20,081 --> 00:41:22,415 I was worried about her and her kids. 672 00:41:22,417 --> 00:41:26,553 Anytime a shuttle is going to come to earth, I'd be worried. 673 00:41:26,655 --> 00:41:29,222 In this case, I had a little more worry. 674 00:41:29,257 --> 00:41:37,257 ♪ 675 00:41:38,533 --> 00:41:40,499 - Columbia, houston, good morning, 676 00:41:40,501 --> 00:41:42,569 And we're looking forward to 677 00:41:42,571 --> 00:41:44,571 Our last day on orbit with you. 678 00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:58,985 ♪ 51795

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