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♪
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- This is
mission control houston.
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You're looking
at live video coming
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From space shuttle columbia
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As columbia continuesto orbit the earth
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At an altitude of about
150 statute miles.
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Columbia, houston, laurel,
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You're loud and clear
on air to ground one.
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- The second day,
I drive in to work
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Kind of euphoric
because another launch,
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Another successful launch.
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You know,
the flight director's office
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And the mission control
center in houston
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Is working with them.
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They're... everything's good.
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I walked into
the analysis lab to
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Start reviewing film
from the launch.
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We started the film
at the beginning.
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[ rockets roaring ]
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We're watching this liftoff.
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You see the roll maneuvers,
beautiful blue sky.
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We do the normal review,
and we start pointing out
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All the things
that we normally see.
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And we got to 81 seconds,
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And then we see this object
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Come off of
the external tank area.
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It moved down, and then
striked the vehicle
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And explode into a white cloud.
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My reaction was, "oh, shit."
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♪
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♪
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- ♪ you'll always find me
sunny side up ♪
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♪ you'll always find mesunny side up ♪
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[ music playing indistinctly
on radio ]
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-Columbia, houston.
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-Turned off?
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-Hey, good morning to all,
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And a special good morning
to my wife, rona,
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The love of my life.
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- I remember myself
going to sleep and imagining
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Where he is right now.
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"I wonder where he is right now.
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He's somewhere over us,
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Maybe going around in the
circles around the earth."
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♪
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[ laughter ]
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It's surreal.
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These seven people who are,
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You know, living in space.
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Eating and working and...
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Going to the bathroom and...
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♪
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Seeing earth from space.
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♪
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- Well, actually,
things are going really well.
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And, uh, things
have been working well.
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Columbia is in great shape
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And working
absolutely perfectly.
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We had a great ride to orbit.
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- After the launch, we came
home for the next 16 days.
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We knew that the crew
was going to be in space.
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By that point, I mean,
I turned on nasa tv here
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And just started
watching the mission.
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♪
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-Next up for the blue shift
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Was a blood draw
experiment here.
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Here, laurel is telling mike
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That this isn't going to
hurt her a bit.
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-I was just thrilled for them.
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They were...
They were doing great.
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There's pride, excitement.
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But more than anything, I just
loved listening to rick's voice.
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I loved listening to him
talk back and forth
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With mission control.
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♪
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- As a kid,
it mostly just felt...
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Exciting and new
and just kind of made your world
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Feel more magical and bigger.
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I was just like, "yeah,
that's just awesome.
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Space is so cool."
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♪
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-All of us as a group
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Were extremely concerned
about what we had just seen.
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Looking at that film,
we were all discussing
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How big are we talking
about a problem?
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How much damage
are we talking about?
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Worst case would have been
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Damage all the way down
to the skin of the vehicle.
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That would have given us
a problem during landing.
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Well, that probably would
have been loss of vehicle
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And loss of crew.
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♪
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So I went to see wayne, my boss.
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♪
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- Based on my 20-plus years
of experience,
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I can tell you every shuttle
flight that flew had issues.
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People came to me
as a flight director
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Or as manager every day.
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In this case, bob page
knocked on my door,
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Came in my office, and said...
- "we've got a problem.
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This is the largest strike
of the vehicle
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That we have ever seen."
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- He's a little bit
of a high-energy guy,
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So it wasn't unusual,
I didn't think.
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But he had a little video clip
that he showed me.
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It's really hard to tell
if anything bad had happened.
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I mean, this is insulating foam.
It's lightweight.
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- So the orange, um,
is the external tank
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Which is covered in foam
on the outside.
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- It's carrying cryogenically
cold liquid oxygen and hydrogen,
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And it's going to sit out
on the launch pad
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In the sunshine in florida.
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You don't want that
to start boiling off,
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So over the outside of the tank
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There is this spray-on
insulating foam.
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Cheap, very effective.
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But it's got this property
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That, as you go through
supersonic flight
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In the atmosphere,
bits of it come.
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- The question is how bad
of shape is the orbiter in?
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- And bob said, "I really wish
there was some way
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To get more information."
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- I knew this mission
passed over places
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Where there were some
high-altitude telescopes.
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These are looking at stars.
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So if you want to look
at the orbiter,
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You could probably get
the entire orbiter
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Fit in the field of view
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And have extremely
good resolution.
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-And I said, "well,
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I don't really know
much about that, bob.
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We'll have to check."
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- And so I got the assurance
from wayne that, um,
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He would make some calls
and he would see what...
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What could be done, and, um,
things were put into motion.
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No. You don't want to alarm
the crew that early.
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They had just gotten onto orbit.
They have a job to do.
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When we have the complete story,
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Then that's when we pass it
on to them.
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And we did not know
what the problem was.
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♪
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♪
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[ radio crackling ]
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-Mom? Mom?
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I miss you.
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-Hi.
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-We talked using the early
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Tele-video conferencing
capability
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And super low-tech bandwidth.
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It's ratty comm,
but it's a very special time.
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-Mom?
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- It was a huge relief
being able to...
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See her again.
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[ giggles ]
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[ laughs ]
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I really couldn't comprehend
that she was in space.
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Like, it didn't...
Make sense to me at all.
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[ laughs ]
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♪
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It felt like...
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Counting down to christmas
waiting for her to get back.
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♪
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♪
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♪
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- The second day of the mission
was just an ordinary day for me.
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I was ready to go home about
5:00 on a Friday evening...
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[ telephone ringing ]
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And then I got a call
from my manager.
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She said, "rodney,
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Do you know that a large piece
of foam hit the left wing?"
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And I think I gasp
and I said "ooh" or "ahh."
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I made some exclamation.
"no, I did not hear that."
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And she said, "they have
just released a video."
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♪
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Every time I watched the video,
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I'm looking at portions
of the video or a sector of it,
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Just to see if I can glean one
more piece of detail out of it.
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And the question I had,
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"what is that cloud
of expanding white stuff?"
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One can't help but ask,
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Is that part of the wing
coming apart?
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♪
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[ upbeat music
playing on radio ]
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♪
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♪
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♪
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I was thinking about
this foam strike all weekend.
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And I thought,
"can't we get the astronauts
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To look through
this side hatch window?"
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There's a little window
right here.
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This little dark circle.
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Could they have looked back
to this area in here to see
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If there's any damage...
Debris, residue, anything?
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What I was expecting is
you first look with your eyes.
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Just look.
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- So let's see.
Rodney sent me an e-mail.
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"we know that the remote
manipulator system arm
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And cameras are not available,
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But what about the left side
hatch window?"
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Uh, he's questioning whether
there's been any action,
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Uh, to ask the crew
to look for damage.
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Uh, no.
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The area that was struck was not
visible from the orbiter cabin.
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♪
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- Okay, well, good morning or
good evening as the case goes
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For all you guys
working around the clock
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There in houston.
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- You have to understand...
Nasa works on procedures.
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We have a mission plan.
- Red shift is
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Just finishing up their day.
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- Any deviation needs to be
evaluated and assessed
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On how it will
impact everything.
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-Laurel, just to be advised,
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You have about
two minutes of video.
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- To deviate from the processes
and the procedures,
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You need to have a reason,
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And the reason needs data.
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It's not just "I have
a bad feeling about this."
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- And I got no reply
to my e-mail.
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My request was never answered.
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- Columbia, this is cnn.How do you read me?
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- Hey, cnn.
We've got you loud and clear.
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- Stand by, and we'll have you
on the tele here very shortly.
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Say hello to the crewof the space shuttle columbia,
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Now traveling above the pacific
at 17,300 miles an hour,
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150 miles above us,
waving to us.
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Let's give you an idea
of who's who.
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I remember interviewing
the crew in space.
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Rick husband, the commander,
second mission.
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Laurel clark...
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Prepping for that interview,
I thought about
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The foam strike
and how to handle it.
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But on launch day,
when I saw that... Footage,
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I wasn't sure
what to think about it.
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I'm not a rocket scientist,
so I called to somebody
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Who I know...
Knew very well at nasa.
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I said, "help me understand how
worried I should be for this."
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And he said, "oh, it's foam.
It's very light material.
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Probably doesn't cause
any damage."
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But it nagged me
the whole mission.
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Colonel ramon, um, I'm curious,
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Was the launch
what you expected?
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I was thinking about the foam.
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I just didn't know how to,
in a five-minute interview,
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Set that up.
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Are all these experiments
working?
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They couldn't all be working
as planned.
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- Well, things are going
very smoothly.
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As expected,
there's some minor glitches.
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- I had gone through this
process of convincing myself
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That it was going to be okay.
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Alright. We're going to
have to leave it at that.
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But I had this sinking feeling.
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Didn't feel right.
259
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♪
260
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♪
261
00:15:50,487 --> 00:15:54,156
- We spent the weekend
analyzing this film.
262
00:15:54,158 --> 00:15:59,227
We estimated the size
of the foam 16 inches across,
263
00:15:59,229 --> 00:16:01,763
18 inches long... suitcase size.
264
00:16:01,766 --> 00:16:07,502
So it's a big chunk of foam
moving at 750 miles an hour.
265
00:16:07,504 --> 00:16:10,372
But in the end,
what we did not know
266
00:16:10,374 --> 00:16:14,209
Was the condition
of the vehicle post-strike.
267
00:16:14,344 --> 00:16:18,380
♪
268
00:16:18,515 --> 00:16:20,315
-Returning from space,
269
00:16:20,451 --> 00:16:24,787
A craft that is going
17,500 miles an hour
270
00:16:24,922 --> 00:16:27,255
Heats up gases,
271
00:16:27,257 --> 00:16:32,861
And very hot gases
become something we call plasma.
272
00:16:32,963 --> 00:16:36,331
The shuttle is enveloped
in this inferno,
273
00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:40,002
And it's kind of beautiful.
274
00:16:40,104 --> 00:16:43,806
But obviously you want
to be protected from it.
275
00:16:43,941 --> 00:16:45,252
- Well, they came
to the conclusion
276
00:16:45,276 --> 00:16:47,275
That the best way
to deal with that
277
00:16:47,277 --> 00:16:51,213
Was to arrange a system of tiles
to cover the shuttle.
278
00:16:51,215 --> 00:16:55,483
- All of the black here
shown is all tiles.
279
00:16:55,485 --> 00:16:58,887
- And these tiles are made
of a silica fiber material
280
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Which is very heat-resistant.
281
00:17:00,957 --> 00:17:06,161
- I can show you.
This is a test tile.
282
00:17:06,297 --> 00:17:08,563
- There are about 31,000
of them all together,
283
00:17:08,699 --> 00:17:10,699
And we hope those tiles
will stay on
284
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When the orbiter comes
back into the atmosphere,
285
00:17:12,703 --> 00:17:15,370
Because otherwise the craft
itself could be damaged.
286
00:17:15,372 --> 00:17:19,174
- During the development of
the space shuttle in the 1970s,
287
00:17:19,310 --> 00:17:21,509
There was quite an effort
to develop a way
288
00:17:21,511 --> 00:17:26,114
To repair
damaged tiles on orbit.
289
00:17:26,249 --> 00:17:28,383
It was a huge effort...
290
00:17:28,385 --> 00:17:29,918
And it was an utter failure.
291
00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,321
They could not develop anything,
292
00:17:33,323 --> 00:17:36,791
And that was one of
the "accepted risks"
293
00:17:36,894 --> 00:17:38,861
Of flying in space.
294
00:17:38,996 --> 00:17:42,130
♪
295
00:17:42,265 --> 00:17:45,367
- Okay. Good morning.
We're ready for roll.
296
00:17:50,908 --> 00:17:54,276
- In a meeting, there's 20,
30 people in the room.
297
00:17:54,278 --> 00:17:57,211
There's people
joining from kennedy.
298
00:17:57,213 --> 00:18:00,348
There's people from
huntington beach, california,
299
00:18:00,350 --> 00:18:04,419
Representative from engineering,
a representative from the crew.
300
00:18:10,427 --> 00:18:14,629
The chairman of the meeting
was linda ham.
301
00:18:14,765 --> 00:18:17,432
-She basically ran this mission.
302
00:18:17,434 --> 00:18:19,834
- If there were going
to be any changes,
303
00:18:19,937 --> 00:18:21,169
She headed up this team
304
00:18:21,304 --> 00:18:23,438
That would have to approve
any changes.
305
00:18:23,574 --> 00:18:27,309
- She was effectively
the deputy to ron dittemore,
306
00:18:27,311 --> 00:18:31,780
The program manager
in those days.
307
00:18:31,915 --> 00:18:33,782
Linda has excellent judgment,
308
00:18:33,784 --> 00:18:36,985
Can grasp complicated problems
very quickly.
309
00:18:37,087 --> 00:18:43,192
She was the first woman to be
certified as a flight director.
310
00:19:02,946 --> 00:19:08,750
Linda was recalling sts-112,
a flight two flights before.
311
00:19:08,885 --> 00:19:10,084
-[ indistinct ]
312
00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:12,420
-Main engine start.
313
00:19:12,422 --> 00:19:14,422
Two... One...
314
00:19:14,424 --> 00:19:16,424
We got booster ignition
and liftoff
315
00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:18,560
Of the space shuttle atlantis.
316
00:19:18,562 --> 00:19:24,232
- Sts-112 had a very similar
piece of foam come off
317
00:19:24,234 --> 00:19:28,170
From almost the same location,
318
00:19:28,172 --> 00:19:33,708
But in that case, the foam
hit solid rocket booster
319
00:19:33,844 --> 00:19:35,043
And put a dent in it.
320
00:19:35,145 --> 00:19:38,180
- The foam traveled...
Traveled down.
321
00:19:38,282 --> 00:19:43,185
It struck right here,
these three lines.
322
00:19:43,287 --> 00:19:46,454
- It didn't hit the orbiter,
so it was no effect
323
00:19:46,589 --> 00:19:47,655
To the flight.
324
00:19:47,657 --> 00:19:50,124
The management team,
they analyzed it
325
00:19:50,260 --> 00:19:51,393
And came up with the conclusion
326
00:19:51,395 --> 00:19:55,597
That no safety of flight issue
existed.
327
00:19:57,401 --> 00:20:01,203
- We dodged a bullet
on that one.
328
00:20:01,305 --> 00:20:04,906
Here's your warning,
and you only get one.
329
00:20:05,009 --> 00:20:08,543
♪
330
00:20:08,545 --> 00:20:10,212
-A special team was forming,
331
00:20:10,314 --> 00:20:13,948
And I was told
that I would be on it.
332
00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:19,153
The mission management
wanted to know how bad is it...
333
00:20:19,155 --> 00:20:23,425
No damage, minimal damage
or grave damage.
334
00:20:25,229 --> 00:20:28,030
In that room
on the first meeting,
335
00:20:28,165 --> 00:20:30,899
There were probably
12 to 15 people.
336
00:20:30,901 --> 00:20:34,302
They were the best experts
in different fields,
337
00:20:34,304 --> 00:20:40,042
But all we knew
was this was foam
338
00:20:40,177 --> 00:20:41,509
And it hit the left wing.
339
00:20:41,511 --> 00:20:44,246
But where on the left wing...
340
00:20:44,248 --> 00:20:46,047
We did not know.
341
00:20:46,116 --> 00:20:49,383
♪
342
00:20:49,385 --> 00:20:53,255
This is why we naturally
came to the conclusion
343
00:20:53,357 --> 00:20:56,591
We cannot initiate
a credible analysis
344
00:20:56,593 --> 00:21:01,195
Until we know the damage
location and extent of damage.
345
00:21:01,331 --> 00:21:03,865
We must have
another piece of data,
346
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,935
Another image.
347
00:21:06,937 --> 00:21:10,071
I knew that the military
satellites at that time
348
00:21:10,074 --> 00:21:12,006
Were extremely good.
349
00:21:12,109 --> 00:21:13,475
There were stories like
350
00:21:13,477 --> 00:21:16,811
They could read license plates
from space.
351
00:21:16,813 --> 00:21:19,481
- We have quite a fleet
of spy satellites out there,
352
00:21:19,616 --> 00:21:22,216
And mostly are trying to,
at that time,
353
00:21:22,218 --> 00:21:24,218
Chase down terrorists
in afghanistan
354
00:21:24,354 --> 00:21:25,620
And iraq or whatever.
355
00:21:25,756 --> 00:21:30,158
Aiming it at the shuttle
was a possibility.
356
00:21:30,961 --> 00:21:34,296
- That's why the whole group
thought it was a good idea.
357
00:21:34,398 --> 00:21:37,199
Let's ask for military assets.
358
00:21:40,104 --> 00:21:44,372
The meeting participants
all agreed.
359
00:21:44,507 --> 00:21:46,441
"we will always have
big uncertainties
360
00:21:46,577 --> 00:21:48,777
Until we get definitive, better,
361
00:21:48,912 --> 00:21:54,116
Clearer photos of the wing
and body underside."
362
00:21:54,785 --> 00:21:59,120
So, in boldface, I put,
"can we petition,
363
00:21:59,123 --> 00:22:03,024
Beg for outside agency
assistance?"
364
00:22:03,127 --> 00:22:08,763
♪
365
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:14,002
♪
366
00:22:14,137 --> 00:22:16,505
-Good morning, blue.
367
00:22:26,082 --> 00:22:27,281
-You know, as a kid,
368
00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:28,795
Your imagination just like,
runs wild.
369
00:22:28,819 --> 00:22:30,752
And I'm like,
do they just float and sleep
370
00:22:30,887 --> 00:22:35,289
Or, you know, does he get
to go out in actual space?
371
00:22:35,291 --> 00:22:36,758
Did he see aliens?
372
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,561
Mostly just thought, like,
he was an explorer.
373
00:22:39,696 --> 00:22:42,764
Kind of like, I don't know,
like a space indiana jones.
374
00:22:42,766 --> 00:22:45,367
- You know, we make it a point
to get out and go to schools
375
00:22:45,369 --> 00:22:46,901
And talk to kids all the time.
376
00:22:46,903 --> 00:22:48,837
And when I do that,
I really try to let them know
377
00:22:48,972 --> 00:22:51,239
What it was like for me
when I was a kid growing up,
378
00:22:51,341 --> 00:22:52,701
And how I had this dream
of one day
379
00:22:52,775 --> 00:22:54,776
Becoming an astronaut,
and that really,
380
00:22:54,911 --> 00:22:56,844
If you work hard
and you're always persistent,
381
00:22:56,846 --> 00:23:00,248
You can really make
those dreams come true.
382
00:23:00,350 --> 00:23:02,584
- He wanted to always
be involved in something
383
00:23:02,586 --> 00:23:05,653
That was kind of bigger
than him,
384
00:23:05,788 --> 00:23:10,592
That contributed to to society,
that had a purpose.
385
00:23:12,062 --> 00:23:13,194
It was fun to watch him.
386
00:23:13,197 --> 00:23:15,530
He looked like
he was enjoying himself.
387
00:23:15,666 --> 00:23:17,131
The crew looked like
they were doing
388
00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:18,400
What they needed to be doing,
389
00:23:18,402 --> 00:23:20,602
And everything was
going off really well.
390
00:23:20,604 --> 00:23:24,306
And I didn't know
at that time that...
391
00:23:25,409 --> 00:23:27,475
Anything concerning
had happened.
392
00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:29,211
There were people
that did, though,
393
00:23:29,346 --> 00:23:31,913
But I wasn't one of them.
394
00:23:32,015 --> 00:23:34,616
♪
395
00:23:37,854 --> 00:23:40,955
♪
396
00:23:43,659 --> 00:23:45,860
-I was in my office in florida,
397
00:23:45,862 --> 00:23:48,329
And I got a phone call
from the head
398
00:23:48,431 --> 00:23:49,930
Of what we call
systems integrations.
399
00:23:49,932 --> 00:23:53,601
He's an engineer
who I respect very highly,
400
00:23:53,737 --> 00:23:56,937
But he said, "hey, we really
don't have all the information
401
00:23:56,939 --> 00:23:59,740
We'd like to have
on this debris strike.
402
00:23:59,742 --> 00:24:01,542
Do you know of anybody
that's got a way
403
00:24:01,544 --> 00:24:03,678
To get better pictures?"
404
00:24:03,813 --> 00:24:07,815
Now, I had this engineer
as well as bob,
405
00:24:07,817 --> 00:24:12,687
Asking me to see if I could
find out some more information.
406
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:17,158
Nasa does not own
any military satellites,
407
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,027
But at that time we had
a close working relationship
408
00:24:20,163 --> 00:24:26,901
With the patrick air force base,
so I put in a request with them.
409
00:24:28,904 --> 00:24:31,706
- There's a lot of work
to get a photo.
410
00:24:31,841 --> 00:24:34,041
One would have to
interrupt the mission
411
00:24:34,043 --> 00:24:36,911
To get the right lighting,
to make sure you're over,
412
00:24:36,913 --> 00:24:39,514
The right satellite
is in position.
413
00:24:39,616 --> 00:24:42,583
And then now you have an army
of people on the ground.
414
00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:44,785
We have to reorient the shuttle
415
00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:47,855
For the proper exposure angles
and all that.
416
00:24:47,857 --> 00:24:50,657
And to do that means
they may have to terminate
417
00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:52,593
Their science experiments.
418
00:24:52,728 --> 00:24:54,395
In a program manager's mind,
419
00:24:54,397 --> 00:24:57,932
That's responsible for getting
shuttles up there on schedule,
420
00:24:58,067 --> 00:25:00,134
If you interrupt
the science mission,
421
00:25:00,269 --> 00:25:01,936
You have the ire
of all the people
422
00:25:02,071 --> 00:25:04,739
And the science objectives
were now ruined.
423
00:25:04,874 --> 00:25:08,376
And that looks badly on nasa.
424
00:25:11,381 --> 00:25:13,480
-A little bit later in the day,
425
00:25:13,482 --> 00:25:16,350
In the afternoon,
I got a call from linda,
426
00:25:16,353 --> 00:25:17,952
And she said, "hey, I heard
427
00:25:17,954 --> 00:25:21,355
That you were trying
to get some better pictures."
428
00:25:21,358 --> 00:25:25,359
And she said that she had talked
to all the appropriate managers
429
00:25:25,362 --> 00:25:28,763
And no one had a requirement
for any more information.
430
00:25:28,765 --> 00:25:31,566
They had what they needed
to do the analysis.
431
00:25:31,668 --> 00:25:33,300
She said, "I want you
to turn this off
432
00:25:33,403 --> 00:25:36,437
Because we don't need
to bother those other people."
433
00:25:36,539 --> 00:25:38,039
- How did you feel
when she said that?
434
00:25:38,174 --> 00:25:39,440
-I was mad
435
00:25:39,542 --> 00:25:41,308
Because I don't like
to be overruled.
436
00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:45,713
I'd been, you know, trying
to act within my authority,
437
00:25:45,849 --> 00:25:49,917
And I'd been countermanded
by my boss.
438
00:25:50,653 --> 00:25:52,519
- Linda ham knew
that nasa's history
439
00:25:52,655 --> 00:25:54,188
With the department of defense
440
00:25:54,290 --> 00:26:00,495
And using spy satellites
was a little bit checkered.
441
00:26:02,432 --> 00:26:04,599
- There had been
a previous mission
442
00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:09,870
Where the landing parachute door
came off on launch,
443
00:26:10,005 --> 00:26:15,876
So the orbiter was flying with
the parachute without its door.
444
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,480
Nasa made a request
to get some imagery.
445
00:26:19,582 --> 00:26:21,949
However, the photos
didn't help much.
446
00:26:22,085 --> 00:26:24,085
- So, even if you
can get photographs,
447
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:27,822
It doesn't mean they'll
necessarily show anything.
448
00:26:27,824 --> 00:26:29,624
- I think they were a little
bit embarrassed
449
00:26:29,726 --> 00:26:31,358
In the end about asking.
450
00:26:31,461 --> 00:26:35,562
And nasa never wants
to look stupid.
451
00:26:35,665 --> 00:26:38,499
Nasa wants to be the agency
with the answers.
452
00:26:38,601 --> 00:26:40,167
-If you'd have said, "linda,
453
00:26:40,169 --> 00:26:42,703
Two different people
need this information.
454
00:26:42,705 --> 00:26:44,905
Their departments
are both asking.
455
00:26:44,907 --> 00:26:46,173
Are you aware?"
456
00:26:46,175 --> 00:26:48,509
That may have changed
the course of events.
457
00:26:48,611 --> 00:26:51,912
- Could I have argued with her?
Maybe.
458
00:26:51,914 --> 00:26:55,182
But did I get the impression
that her mind was made up
459
00:26:55,184 --> 00:26:57,584
And, you know,
that was the end of that?
460
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,720
That's kind of where I was.
461
00:26:59,855 --> 00:27:02,056
And you can say, "well,
you should have argued more."
462
00:27:02,191 --> 00:27:05,660
Well, that would that's nice of
you to say that, but I didn't.
463
00:27:05,762 --> 00:27:07,394
I was going to be
a good soldier.
464
00:27:07,497 --> 00:27:09,530
So I called air force base
and said,
465
00:27:09,532 --> 00:27:15,269
"I know I made this request.
Um, turns out we don't need it.
466
00:27:15,371 --> 00:27:17,838
Forget I asked about it."
467
00:27:17,907 --> 00:27:20,141
♪
468
00:27:23,346 --> 00:27:26,747
- I was told that we would
not be getting images.
469
00:27:26,882 --> 00:27:32,753
When I read it,
I got angry and confused.
470
00:27:32,888 --> 00:27:34,355
What does this mean?
471
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:39,694
So, I e-mailed paul shack.
472
00:27:39,796 --> 00:27:43,030
I e-mailed, "why?
Did you do anything about it?"
473
00:27:43,032 --> 00:27:45,632
No reply, no reply, no reply.
Quiet.
474
00:27:45,768 --> 00:27:47,501
So I called him, and I got him.
475
00:27:47,504 --> 00:27:49,504
- He was shouting at me.
[ chuckles ]
476
00:27:49,639 --> 00:27:50,971
Can't call it an argument
477
00:27:51,106 --> 00:27:52,707
Because an argument
takes two people shouting,
478
00:27:52,709 --> 00:27:55,843
And just one was shouting
in this case.
479
00:27:55,979 --> 00:27:59,213
- I asked him,
"why are you ignoring?
480
00:27:59,783 --> 00:28:01,782
You didn't reply
to my e-mail. Why?"
481
00:28:01,784 --> 00:28:04,051
I was asking why
you didn't respond.
482
00:28:04,053 --> 00:28:06,120
Now I have you.
483
00:28:06,255 --> 00:28:08,923
-Well, I got sarcastic.
484
00:28:08,925 --> 00:28:11,992
I said, "don't be
a chicken little."
485
00:28:12,562 --> 00:28:15,530
- Paul shack treated me as
if I were the well-intentioned
486
00:28:15,665 --> 00:28:17,998
But silly chicken.
487
00:28:18,934 --> 00:28:22,803
And the lesson is chicken little
is not to be trusted.
488
00:28:22,938 --> 00:28:26,607
Chicken little always
gets excited.
489
00:28:27,343 --> 00:28:30,745
I was very upset and angry
and disappointed
490
00:28:30,847 --> 00:28:34,749
With my engineering
organizations, top to bottom.
491
00:28:34,751 --> 00:28:39,686
There's a ticking clock.
We were losing time.
492
00:28:39,688 --> 00:28:42,623
This is an e-mail I drafted.
493
00:28:42,625 --> 00:28:44,425
"in my humble technical opinion,
494
00:28:44,427 --> 00:28:49,230
This is the wrong and bordering
on irresponsible answer,
495
00:28:49,365 --> 00:28:52,232
Not to request additional
imaging help
496
00:28:52,234 --> 00:28:54,835
From any outside source.
497
00:28:54,837 --> 00:28:56,703
Remember this,
nasa safety posters
498
00:28:56,705 --> 00:29:02,243
Everywhere around stating
'if it's not safe, say so.'
499
00:29:02,378 --> 00:29:05,780
Yes, it's that serious."
500
00:29:05,782 --> 00:29:07,782
I felt the need
to draft that e-mail
501
00:29:07,784 --> 00:29:09,917
With that strong language.
502
00:29:10,053 --> 00:29:14,721
And the strongest word in there
is accusatory, "irresponsible."
503
00:29:15,191 --> 00:29:18,725
But I struggled on sending it
or not sending it.
504
00:29:18,861 --> 00:29:22,729
I was afraid
about my future career.
505
00:29:23,266 --> 00:29:26,133
I was married,
and we had a child,
506
00:29:26,135 --> 00:29:28,870
Had a home, had a mortgage.
507
00:29:30,907 --> 00:29:34,709
And I did not send it
in the end.
508
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:39,413
- I remember that
Wednesday night
509
00:29:39,515 --> 00:29:40,815
When I came home from work,
510
00:29:40,817 --> 00:29:44,952
He showed me the e-mail
that he had not sent.
511
00:29:45,088 --> 00:29:50,625
He was very agitated,
very frustrated
512
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,361
Because he wasn't sure
what to do.
513
00:29:54,831 --> 00:29:58,699
The thrust was
finish the analysis,
514
00:29:58,701 --> 00:30:01,502
Even though you have
no information
515
00:30:01,504 --> 00:30:03,704
On which to base your analysis.
516
00:30:03,706 --> 00:30:08,175
And if it's bad,
then we'll try to do something.
517
00:30:08,177 --> 00:30:16,177
He said, "it's like being asked
to analyze a car accident
518
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,786
That has just happened outside,
519
00:30:19,922 --> 00:30:24,058
But you're not allowed
to look out the window."
520
00:30:24,694 --> 00:30:26,527
- But the total denial forced us
521
00:30:26,529 --> 00:30:27,995
Into the rock and a hard place.
522
00:30:28,131 --> 00:30:32,733
We have to produce an analysis
anyway, without a photo.
523
00:30:36,105 --> 00:30:39,139
♪
524
00:31:08,771 --> 00:31:12,172
- Alright.
Now we play volleyball.
525
00:31:15,411 --> 00:31:17,344
[ laughs ]
526
00:31:18,781 --> 00:31:21,015
Football.
527
00:31:22,484 --> 00:31:24,184
Bicycle kick.
528
00:31:25,687 --> 00:31:28,088
[ laughter ]
529
00:31:53,248 --> 00:31:58,718
- Okay, so this is the e-mail
that was sent to the crew.
530
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,055
"you guys are doing a fantastic
job staying on timeline
531
00:32:02,057 --> 00:32:04,791
And accomplishing great science.
532
00:32:05,461 --> 00:32:09,463
There is one item that I would
like to make you aware of.
533
00:32:09,598 --> 00:32:11,799
This item is not even
worth mentioning,
534
00:32:11,934 --> 00:32:13,667
Other than wanting to make sure
535
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:15,803
That you are not surprised by it
536
00:32:15,938 --> 00:32:18,405
In a question from a reporter.
537
00:32:18,974 --> 00:32:21,408
During ascent,
at approximately 80 seconds,
538
00:32:21,410 --> 00:32:22,476
Some debris came loose
539
00:32:22,611 --> 00:32:26,079
And subsequently
impacted the orbiter left wing.
540
00:32:26,214 --> 00:32:28,948
Experts have reviewed
the high-speed photography,
541
00:32:29,084 --> 00:32:32,419
And there is no concern
for rcc or tile damage.
542
00:32:32,421 --> 00:32:34,487
We have seen
this same phenomenon
543
00:32:34,489 --> 00:32:35,689
On several other flights
544
00:32:35,691 --> 00:32:37,957
And there's absolutely
no concern for entry.
545
00:32:37,959 --> 00:32:39,292
That is all for now
546
00:32:39,294 --> 00:32:42,229
It is a pleasure working
with you every day."
547
00:32:45,767 --> 00:32:49,036
So, they saw something.
They're taking care of it.
548
00:32:49,672 --> 00:32:56,210
This e-mail was too short,
too sweet, too easy.
549
00:32:58,514 --> 00:33:01,248
- Okay. Good morning
and welcome to the mmt.
550
00:33:01,383 --> 00:33:06,920
- Day nine. Rodney's team
presented their analysis.
551
00:33:20,169 --> 00:33:23,070
- I wasn't presenting
the results of our analysis.
552
00:33:23,072 --> 00:33:25,739
The protocol was that
a senior engineer
553
00:33:25,741 --> 00:33:28,408
Would present on our behalf.
554
00:33:44,426 --> 00:33:47,560
- We all knew that
if the engineers find out
555
00:33:47,562 --> 00:33:53,233
That this is bad,
there is nothing we can do.
556
00:33:53,369 --> 00:33:59,106
If your heat shield was lost,
that was just the end game.
557
00:33:59,808 --> 00:34:02,309
- The presentation showed
five scenarios
558
00:34:02,444 --> 00:34:06,379
That we were analyzing
over the past few days.
559
00:34:06,381 --> 00:34:08,982
- Rodney's concern
was uncertainty
560
00:34:09,117 --> 00:34:10,984
In where the damage was.
561
00:34:10,986 --> 00:34:13,320
The way they compensated
for that
562
00:34:13,455 --> 00:34:17,857
Was to analyze multiple
possible locations.
563
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,259
Instead of analyzing this area,
564
00:34:20,261 --> 00:34:23,096
We're going to analyze
this area.
565
00:34:35,945 --> 00:34:39,212
"it would cause
localized heating,
566
00:34:39,214 --> 00:34:41,881
But no burn through,"
567
00:34:41,984 --> 00:34:45,185
I believe were the words
that they used.
568
00:34:49,158 --> 00:34:51,959
- When we completed
the analysis,
569
00:34:52,094 --> 00:34:55,729
None of the scenario
showed a fatal outcome.
570
00:34:58,834 --> 00:35:00,033
-I felt some relief.
571
00:35:00,135 --> 00:35:01,946
I thought we were in good shape,
I believed him.
572
00:35:01,970 --> 00:35:03,081
-That's what you want to hear.
573
00:35:03,105 --> 00:35:04,237
You don't want to hear,
574
00:35:04,372 --> 00:35:05,973
"we're going to lose
the vehicle."
575
00:35:06,108 --> 00:35:08,041
- What's missing in that
is we should have had
576
00:35:08,043 --> 00:35:10,243
In boldface
at the very beginning,
577
00:35:10,378 --> 00:35:14,247
"these are engineering
assumption cases.
578
00:35:14,382 --> 00:35:16,383
We do not know
without extra data
579
00:35:16,385 --> 00:35:21,221
Whether these are actual
representations of reality.
580
00:35:36,138 --> 00:35:40,006
A turnaround issue, what they
meant was some level of repair.
581
00:35:40,009 --> 00:35:41,408
-So when columbia comes back?
582
00:35:41,543 --> 00:35:45,078
- When it comes back,
but nothing really bad.
583
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:47,214
That bad. Just local repair.
584
00:35:47,316 --> 00:35:49,482
Patch it up and let's go again.
585
00:35:49,617 --> 00:35:52,151
- And that's what was
being communicated to linda...
586
00:35:52,153 --> 00:35:55,422
- Yes. Yes, yes.
- Okay.
587
00:35:56,025 --> 00:35:57,290
Even though you all sat there...
588
00:35:57,292 --> 00:35:59,692
- Yes.
- And thought it wasn't okay.
589
00:35:59,694 --> 00:36:01,895
What?
You didn't... you didn't...
590
00:36:01,897 --> 00:36:03,430
She was in the room with you.
591
00:36:03,565 --> 00:36:05,832
- She was in the room with us.
- So what...
592
00:36:05,934 --> 00:36:08,301
What prevented you
from going to talk to her?
593
00:36:08,303 --> 00:36:12,371
-The chain of command protocol.
594
00:36:12,373 --> 00:36:15,575
You don't approach
managers directly.
595
00:36:15,711 --> 00:36:17,777
- You're, you know,
you're a grown man
596
00:36:17,779 --> 00:36:19,646
And you're in the room
of only 12...
597
00:36:19,648 --> 00:36:22,782
- I'm a grown man with grown
men telling me not to do that.
598
00:36:22,784 --> 00:36:25,852
There are other grown men
with power and authority saying,
599
00:36:25,954 --> 00:36:27,787
"don't do that."
600
00:36:27,923 --> 00:36:29,923
- What would have been
the repercussions of talking
601
00:36:29,991 --> 00:36:32,125
To her in that room?
602
00:36:33,461 --> 00:36:36,463
-I don't know if, uh...
603
00:36:38,967 --> 00:36:40,667
I don't know.
604
00:36:59,221 --> 00:37:04,124
♪
605
00:37:04,226 --> 00:37:09,829
♪
606
00:37:09,965 --> 00:37:12,699
- I really love seeing a team
come together,
607
00:37:12,701 --> 00:37:18,571
And the bigger team who makes
this entire mission possible
608
00:37:18,573 --> 00:37:20,840
Is the team on the ground,
609
00:37:20,976 --> 00:37:23,576
And all the folks
who work in mission control,
610
00:37:23,578 --> 00:37:26,779
And all the folks who work
at the different nasa centers.
611
00:37:26,781 --> 00:37:30,717
It's just such a great
feeling for me to...
612
00:37:30,852 --> 00:37:33,186
To see everybody
working together as a team
613
00:37:33,288 --> 00:37:34,921
Like that, and even
getting up here
614
00:37:35,056 --> 00:37:37,991
And hearing their familiar
voices on the on the radio,
615
00:37:38,126 --> 00:37:40,160
It's just a great feeling.
616
00:37:44,132 --> 00:37:49,936
- We are supposed to do
everything we can for the crew.
617
00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:53,473
They trust us, they have
their training and expertise,
618
00:37:53,609 --> 00:37:57,344
But they want to believe
and pull full faith
619
00:37:57,346 --> 00:38:00,380
That we're doing
the very best for them.
620
00:38:02,283 --> 00:38:05,685
-In the nasa world,
621
00:38:05,687 --> 00:38:10,089
People don't talk in terms
of "it's life or death."
622
00:38:10,091 --> 00:38:14,493
You use the terms "threat
to the vehicle and crew,"
623
00:38:14,495 --> 00:38:18,231
Or "risk to the vehicle
and crew."
624
00:38:18,333 --> 00:38:20,834
It might have more power
or more punch
625
00:38:20,969 --> 00:38:25,439
If we talk life and death,
but we don't.
626
00:38:25,574 --> 00:38:30,777
♪
627
00:38:30,946 --> 00:38:35,715
♪
628
00:38:35,717 --> 00:38:37,717
- Okay, well, then,
we've got, uh,
629
00:38:37,853 --> 00:38:39,452
An announcement
that we'd like to make
630
00:38:39,454 --> 00:38:43,390
On behalf of the sts-107 crew.
631
00:38:44,059 --> 00:38:46,459
It is today that we remember
and honor
632
00:38:46,461 --> 00:38:49,929
The crews of apollo 1
and challenger.
633
00:38:49,931 --> 00:38:51,865
They made
the ultimate sacrifice,
634
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,867
Giving their lives and service
to their country
635
00:38:54,869 --> 00:38:56,469
And for all mankind.
636
00:38:56,604 --> 00:38:57,937
Their dedication and devotion
637
00:38:58,073 --> 00:39:00,940
To the exploration of space
was an inspiration
638
00:39:00,942 --> 00:39:03,610
To each of us,
and still motivates people
639
00:39:03,745 --> 00:39:06,213
Around the world
to achieve great things
640
00:39:06,348 --> 00:39:08,815
In service to others.
641
00:39:08,817 --> 00:39:10,349
As we orbit the earth,
642
00:39:10,485 --> 00:39:12,552
We will join
the entire nasa family
643
00:39:12,688 --> 00:39:15,555
For a moment of silence
in their memory.
644
00:39:15,691 --> 00:39:19,826
Our thoughts and prayers
go to their families as well.
645
00:39:21,963 --> 00:39:23,663
-Here we go.
646
00:39:41,983 --> 00:39:46,119
- We went to nasa and did what
they called a teleconference.
647
00:39:46,254 --> 00:39:47,654
Yeah, I remember being excited.
648
00:39:55,063 --> 00:39:56,463
-He did all these
649
00:39:56,465 --> 00:39:58,931
What he would call
stupid astronaut tricks.
650
00:39:58,933 --> 00:40:01,468
I think he did different flips
and, like, would poke
651
00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:04,804
His head out from different
angles to make us laugh.
652
00:40:04,806 --> 00:40:07,474
And also just to play around
with weightlessness.
653
00:40:07,576 --> 00:40:10,477
When else are you going
to be able to float on camera?
654
00:40:10,479 --> 00:40:12,545
So... [ chuckles ]
655
00:40:12,547 --> 00:40:15,282
It was really cool to see.
656
00:40:17,218 --> 00:40:18,485
-It was our dating anniversary.
657
00:40:18,587 --> 00:40:20,554
It was also the anniversary
of challenger.
658
00:40:29,697 --> 00:40:31,764
We had about 20 or 25 minutes
659
00:40:31,899 --> 00:40:35,402
And he shared how
the mission was going.
660
00:40:40,175 --> 00:40:44,243
- It was so nice to be able
to see him, talk to him.
661
00:40:44,245 --> 00:40:45,912
And he was having a blast.
662
00:40:50,051 --> 00:40:51,984
- I just kept telling him
how much I loved him
663
00:40:51,986 --> 00:40:53,520
And he said,
"I love you guys so much."
664
00:40:53,622 --> 00:40:55,322
He goes, "evelyn,
I love you so much."
665
00:40:55,457 --> 00:40:57,456
And just kept saying that.
666
00:40:57,458 --> 00:40:59,192
Those are our last words ever.
667
00:40:59,327 --> 00:41:00,727
That was it.
668
00:41:07,736 --> 00:41:11,003
- I got a really nice note
from evelyn husband
669
00:41:11,005 --> 00:41:13,740
And she just said,
"I just want you to know
670
00:41:13,742 --> 00:41:19,546
How much we at nasa
appreciate how you cover space."
671
00:41:20,081 --> 00:41:22,415
I was worried about her
and her kids.
672
00:41:22,417 --> 00:41:26,553
Anytime a shuttle is going to
come to earth, I'd be worried.
673
00:41:26,655 --> 00:41:29,222
In this case,
I had a little more worry.
674
00:41:29,257 --> 00:41:37,257
♪
675
00:41:38,533 --> 00:41:40,499
- Columbia, houston,
good morning,
676
00:41:40,501 --> 00:41:42,569
And we're looking forward to
677
00:41:42,571 --> 00:41:44,571
Our last day on orbit with you.
678
00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:58,985
♪
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