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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,562 --> 00:00:06,862 The surrender of our government in the summer of 2015 2 00:00:07,522 --> 00:00:10,582 caused a wave of discontent 3 00:00:10,682 --> 00:00:12,719 and depression, psychological depression, 4 00:00:12,802 --> 00:00:14,642 not just in Greece, but outside of Greece too. 5 00:00:14,922 --> 00:00:17,782 So many people in Spain, in Britain, in Germany 6 00:00:18,482 --> 00:00:20,779 had been inspired by the possibility that the people 7 00:00:20,862 --> 00:00:25,382 of a tiny nation could say "no" to the imposition 8 00:00:25,602 --> 00:00:27,662 of misanthropic policies by the creditors... 9 00:00:28,322 --> 00:00:30,462 The great institutions of capitalism. 10 00:00:31,412 --> 00:00:33,462 That hope died that summer. 11 00:00:35,082 --> 00:00:36,482 But of course, nothing really dies. 12 00:00:37,122 --> 00:00:38,662 It just needs to be revived. 13 00:00:38,922 --> 00:00:40,402 The question is how do you revive it? 14 00:00:41,112 --> 00:00:43,539 After my resignation, I was receiving a lot of 15 00:00:43,622 --> 00:00:46,159 pressure from colleagues, from members of 16 00:00:46,242 --> 00:00:50,542 Parliament, here in Greece, to start a new party. 17 00:00:51,122 --> 00:00:53,162 It was impossible for me to do it, psychologically. 18 00:00:53,602 --> 00:00:57,462 The thought of it made me lose the will to live. 19 00:00:59,502 --> 00:01:02,102 I needed to regroup, even within myself. 20 00:01:02,582 --> 00:01:04,382 I had to rethink everything from scratch. 21 00:02:25,202 --> 00:02:29,422 End of 2015, I found myself in Berlin 22 00:02:29,852 --> 00:02:34,499 with a Croat philosopher who's become an excellent friend 23 00:02:34,582 --> 00:02:35,782 of mine, Srećko Horvat. 24 00:02:37,602 --> 00:02:39,322 And we went to have a coffee in a cafeteria 25 00:02:40,202 --> 00:02:42,682 and he asked me, he said, "So, what are you going to do next?" 26 00:02:46,362 --> 00:02:50,169 And I said, "I think a democratic pan-European movement is 27 00:02:50,252 --> 00:02:52,582 what I would like to work on." 28 00:02:52,842 --> 00:02:55,622 He said, "I agree. We have to do it." 29 00:02:57,422 --> 00:02:58,782 I said, "Okay, yeah, but 30 00:03:00,252 --> 00:03:02,972 we are two idiots having coffee in a cafeteria in Berlin. 31 00:03:03,472 --> 00:03:06,289 How do we proceed from here?" 32 00:03:06,372 --> 00:03:09,132 He said, "We're going to do it. I've got to go now." 33 00:03:09,592 --> 00:03:10,559 So, we parted ways. 34 00:03:10,642 --> 00:03:13,252 Next morning, he calls me. He says, "I booked the Volksbühne 35 00:03:13,912 --> 00:03:17,652 for the 9th of February, 2016." 36 00:03:17,842 --> 00:03:22,012 That was four or five months later. "You better prepare. 37 00:03:22,512 --> 00:03:27,092 We better prepare. " So, I thought, " What? This guy's mad. 38 00:03:27,992 --> 00:03:29,292 We, the two of us, are going 39 00:03:29,392 --> 00:03:31,572 to start a pan-European democratic movement?" 40 00:03:32,672 --> 00:03:34,572 And then the idea started growing on me. 41 00:03:34,872 --> 00:03:36,769 So, I started sending emails left, right 42 00:03:36,852 --> 00:03:40,612 and centre, coming up with drafts of the manifesto, 43 00:03:41,672 --> 00:03:43,612 thinking of the name of the movement, 44 00:03:44,712 --> 00:03:47,812 and we decided to call this movement: the Democracy in Europe 45 00:03:48,092 --> 00:03:49,452 Movement: DiEM25. 46 00:03:54,902 --> 00:03:56,492 The old fashioned system 47 00:03:56,912 --> 00:03:59,772 of creating a political party in the context 48 00:03:59,872 --> 00:04:01,529 of the nation-state, making promises 49 00:04:01,612 --> 00:04:03,372 that you cannot fulfil once you're in power, 50 00:04:03,712 --> 00:04:07,532 if you ever gain government, that system is finished. 51 00:04:08,772 --> 00:04:11,692 I have watched mighty finance ministers, including 52 00:04:12,522 --> 00:04:15,529 this country's, being reduced to a state 53 00:04:15,612 --> 00:04:17,149 of helplessness in the context 54 00:04:17,232 --> 00:04:18,909 of the European Union Council, in the context 55 00:04:18,992 --> 00:04:20,252 of the Eurogroup. 56 00:04:20,832 --> 00:04:24,489 So, if we are right that another political party, 57 00:04:24,572 --> 00:04:26,029 another organisation in the context 58 00:04:26,112 --> 00:04:27,912 of the nation-states, is the wrong way to go, 59 00:04:28,882 --> 00:04:30,092 what is the only alternative? 60 00:04:30,192 --> 00:04:31,209 The only alternative is to 61 00:04:31,292 --> 00:04:32,972 try something we've never tried before. 62 00:04:35,242 --> 00:04:36,972 Okay, can we bring the people there? 63 00:04:38,482 --> 00:04:40,412 Okay, guys, the rest of you, you wait here. 64 00:04:41,252 --> 00:04:42,889 Sebastian will come here and he will bring you to 65 00:04:42,972 --> 00:04:44,652 the other side of the stage. He's here? 66 00:04:44,762 --> 00:04:46,772 Good. Okay. Caroline's here. Who else? 67 00:04:48,792 --> 00:04:52,969 Miguel? No. Where the hell is Miguel. Find him. 68 00:04:53,052 --> 00:04:55,372 I don't know. [INAUDIBLE] And Rita Vares? No. Erasmus. No. 69 00:05:01,012 --> 00:05:02,012 [INAUDIBLE] 70 00:05:03,402 --> 00:05:05,362 There's going to be videos [INAUDIBLE]. Caroline? 71 00:05:21,482 --> 00:05:22,400 So what if we are utopian? 72 00:05:22,483 --> 00:05:25,732 Doing nothing is not an option. 73 00:05:25,992 --> 00:05:28,769 The dream of the marriage between capitalism 74 00:05:28,852 --> 00:05:29,852 and democracy is over. 75 00:05:30,072 --> 00:05:32,149 I was thinking about what we're trying to do here, 76 00:05:32,232 --> 00:05:34,569 and it's a little bit like trying to cook a meal 77 00:05:34,652 --> 00:05:35,732 that nobody's ever cooked. 78 00:05:35,872 --> 00:05:38,969 So, I thought our motto could be, "Start 79 00:05:39,052 --> 00:05:40,572 cooking, recipe to follow." 80 00:05:41,032 --> 00:05:42,692 Let me just end with 81 00:05:43,732 --> 00:05:46,532 paraphrasing Dylan Thomas, 82 00:05:46,682 --> 00:05:50,852 something I like doing. Somebody asked, What is DiEM about? 83 00:05:51,322 --> 00:05:55,732 Well, DiEM is about not going gently into the good night. 84 00:05:56,752 --> 00:06:01,652 To rage, rage, and rage against the dying of the light. 85 00:06:01,962 --> 00:06:06,412 Have a good night. 86 00:06:07,352 --> 00:06:11,572 [INAUDIBLE] We exited the auditorium and we were elated. 87 00:06:11,912 --> 00:06:15,332 We were on a high because months of work had paid off. 88 00:06:15,712 --> 00:06:17,969 We had all these thousands, tens of thousands 89 00:06:18,052 --> 00:06:19,252 of members on Day One. 90 00:06:20,352 --> 00:06:23,852 So we headed to the bar for a celebratory drink. 91 00:06:24,822 --> 00:06:29,372 Along our path, we came across an old German activist, 92 00:06:30,052 --> 00:06:34,172 a man in his late seventies, early eighties, 93 00:06:34,832 --> 00:06:35,992 who had spent time in prison. 94 00:06:36,202 --> 00:06:38,932 He'd been a trade unionist, an activist on the far left. 95 00:06:39,312 --> 00:06:41,252 He looked as pessimistic as he always does. 96 00:06:41,722 --> 00:06:44,932 He's got this face exuding negativity, 97 00:06:46,272 --> 00:06:47,292 but a wonderful heart. 98 00:06:48,112 --> 00:06:50,692 So, I asked him, I said, "Klaus, what did you think of it? 99 00:06:51,002 --> 00:06:52,762 What did you think of what we've just done?" 100 00:06:54,072 --> 00:06:58,852 He nodded and said, "You will fail." Srećko, my colleague and comrade, 101 00:06:59,352 --> 00:07:02,289 who is much younger than me, and therefore 102 00:07:02,372 --> 00:07:04,269 a bit more agitated than I am, 103 00:07:04,352 --> 00:07:06,732 got pissed off with him. And he said, 104 00:07:07,232 --> 00:07:11,149 "So why are you here? Why are you here? 105 00:07:11,232 --> 00:07:14,692 Why are you darkening our night 106 00:07:15,192 --> 00:07:16,372 by being so negative?" 107 00:07:17,152 --> 00:07:20,572 The answer he gave me is, 108 00:07:20,672 --> 00:07:23,229 and has been since then, a great source 109 00:07:23,312 --> 00:07:24,612 of personal strength for me. 110 00:07:25,232 --> 00:07:28,052 He said, "Because I want to be around the people 111 00:07:28,202 --> 00:07:31,492 with whom we will have, together, to pick up the pieces 112 00:07:32,002 --> 00:07:33,332 when this whole thing collapses. 113 00:07:34,682 --> 00:07:36,812 That, to me, is a good enough reason 114 00:07:37,152 --> 00:07:39,732 to have a transnational pan-European democratic movement." 115 00:07:40,752 --> 00:07:42,329 One of the difficulties, of course, is 116 00:07:42,412 --> 00:07:44,252 that Syriza got their chance. 117 00:07:44,432 --> 00:07:45,532 You got your chance, 118 00:07:45,872 --> 00:07:47,892 but you only survived a matter of months 119 00:07:48,352 --> 00:07:50,309 before, basically, chucking in the towel 120 00:07:50,392 --> 00:07:52,169 and saying, "I can't put up with this. 121 00:07:52,252 --> 00:07:54,572 This isn't what I came into politics for." 122 00:07:55,112 --> 00:07:57,949 And that really is the test of the thing, isn't it? 123 00:07:58,032 --> 00:08:01,892 Will people stay the course - as you describe this 124 00:08:02,412 --> 00:08:04,652 revolution that's sweeping democracy in the world? 125 00:08:05,172 --> 00:08:06,492 I didn't throw in the towel. 126 00:08:07,092 --> 00:08:08,769 I just made the tactical decision 127 00:08:08,852 --> 00:08:09,972 to move out of the ministry. 128 00:08:10,352 --> 00:08:13,009 Politics, you know, is not something 129 00:08:13,092 --> 00:08:15,972 that just happens in the corridors of power. 130 00:08:16,202 --> 00:08:20,492 It's also what happens where I am: amongst 131 00:08:20,842 --> 00:08:22,239 various democratic movements. 132 00:08:22,322 --> 00:08:26,652 What we need is a Green New Deal for Europe 133 00:08:27,512 --> 00:08:29,132 to create the good quality jobs 134 00:08:29,722 --> 00:08:31,812 that will defeat climate disaster tomorrow morning. 135 00:08:32,372 --> 00:08:36,172 The European Union has the instruments 136 00:08:36,642 --> 00:08:38,492 that could be pressed into the service 137 00:08:38,992 --> 00:08:40,452 of a genuine Green New Deal, 138 00:08:40,632 --> 00:08:41,812 and I'll give numbers now. 139 00:08:42,002 --> 00:08:45,412 £500 billion pounds every year at least. 140 00:08:45,752 --> 00:08:47,532 This sounds like a lot of money. It is not. 141 00:08:47,912 --> 00:08:50,969 Do you know how much money is sloshing 142 00:08:51,052 --> 00:08:52,972 around in the City of London doing nothing? 143 00:08:53,902 --> 00:08:55,532 Being uninvested? 144 00:08:55,922 --> 00:08:58,852 It's about a £trillion pounds. So only in London. 145 00:08:59,042 --> 00:09:00,369 Imagine in the whole of Europe. 146 00:09:00,452 --> 00:09:01,932 It's about 4.5 trillion in Europe, 147 00:09:02,432 --> 00:09:05,069 excess savings, liquidity, doing nothing other than bidding up 148 00:09:05,152 --> 00:09:06,692 house prices and not doing what... 149 00:09:07,072 --> 00:09:09,529 But the European Union has the institutions. 150 00:09:09,612 --> 00:09:12,772 You have the European Investment Bank, which sounds boring, 151 00:09:13,072 --> 00:09:16,012 and it is boring, and it is in Luxembourg, of all places. 152 00:09:16,412 --> 00:09:18,969 That's really boring. 153 00:09:19,052 --> 00:09:20,772 Is anybody here from Luxembourg? I'm sorry. 154 00:09:20,872 --> 00:09:22,332 But do you know, it's four times 155 00:09:22,432 --> 00:09:23,572 the size of the World Bank. 156 00:09:23,992 --> 00:09:28,769 The financing of a Green New Deal will require 157 00:09:28,852 --> 00:09:32,492 taxing wealth, ending tax havens, and so on, 158 00:09:33,032 --> 00:09:35,572 but that will really not be at all enough. 159 00:09:35,922 --> 00:09:38,169 Even if you introduce a wealth tax, like the one 160 00:09:38,252 --> 00:09:41,729 that Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are 161 00:09:41,812 --> 00:09:44,369 proposing in the United States, all you'll be able 162 00:09:44,452 --> 00:09:46,212 to raise is about 1% of GDP. 163 00:09:46,482 --> 00:09:48,149 It's good, but it's not enough. 164 00:09:48,232 --> 00:09:51,329 We need 5, 6, 7% to have the green transition, 165 00:09:51,412 --> 00:09:53,249 the creation of the good quality jobs that we need 166 00:09:53,332 --> 00:09:55,372 in this country, in Europe and so on. 167 00:09:56,792 --> 00:09:58,572 The main way of 168 00:09:59,942 --> 00:10:03,732 energising this excess liquidity: public investment banks 169 00:10:03,842 --> 00:10:06,452 that issue bonds that operate like sponges 170 00:10:06,642 --> 00:10:08,829 that soak up the liquidity, 171 00:10:08,912 --> 00:10:13,172 and the central banks just announcing to the market 172 00:10:13,272 --> 00:10:14,969 so they will support the bonds issued 173 00:10:15,052 --> 00:10:16,292 by the public investment banks. 174 00:10:16,602 --> 00:10:18,099 That was the New Deal idea, 175 00:10:18,182 --> 00:10:19,772 originally, of Franklin Roosevelt. 176 00:10:20,992 --> 00:10:22,932 We had our European New Deal, 177 00:10:23,392 --> 00:10:25,929 and, of course, we realised that the political system doesn't 178 00:10:26,012 --> 00:10:28,772 give a damn about good ideas and good agendas. 179 00:10:38,872 --> 00:10:41,129 Do you regret saying, "That's it. No more Troika, 180 00:10:41,212 --> 00:10:43,212 no more bailout. It's over." It wasn't over. 181 00:10:44,042 --> 00:10:47,692 Yeah, this is a fact, but it was not so easy too. 182 00:10:55,892 --> 00:11:00,479 I know that the developments, the result, 183 00:11:00,562 --> 00:11:05,492 whatever happened afterwards, it was not 184 00:11:06,412 --> 00:11:08,092 a good development. 185 00:11:08,712 --> 00:11:11,932 So my heart, my soul, said to me, "Go away." 186 00:11:13,352 --> 00:11:15,972 But my mind said to me that I had to find a solution, 187 00:11:16,362 --> 00:11:17,529 even though I knew 188 00:11:17,612 --> 00:11:19,169 that this solution was very, very difficult 189 00:11:19,252 --> 00:11:20,252 and tough. 190 00:11:33,072 --> 00:11:37,732 So, after this very intensive internal democratic dialogue, 191 00:11:38,512 --> 00:11:41,012 we agreed that we will go electoral, as we put it. 192 00:11:42,542 --> 00:11:45,132 Right now, if one looks at the opinion polls, 193 00:11:45,272 --> 00:11:48,572 out in front is the New Democracy party, the mainstream, 194 00:11:49,192 --> 00:11:52,909 age-old, centre-right party. Your old party Syriza, 195 00:11:52,992 --> 00:11:54,809 whom you worked for as Finance Minister, 196 00:11:54,892 --> 00:11:57,572 the radical leftist government of the moment, 197 00:11:58,122 --> 00:11:59,529 they're struggling in the polls. 198 00:11:59,612 --> 00:12:02,332 But your own, even more radical progressive offering, 199 00:12:02,692 --> 00:12:05,449 your new party, you're struggling 200 00:12:05,532 --> 00:12:07,649 to get even a single percentage point 201 00:12:07,732 --> 00:12:09,292 of the vote in the latest opinion poll. 202 00:12:09,402 --> 00:12:10,689 Well, allow me to say that this is unfair 203 00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:12,252 because we've just started the party. 204 00:12:12,472 --> 00:12:13,729 Judge us at the election. 205 00:12:13,812 --> 00:12:16,359 That's the only opinion poll - especially for a party 206 00:12:16,442 --> 00:12:17,569 that is not even known 207 00:12:17,652 --> 00:12:19,212 that it exists in Greece at the moment. 208 00:13:39,882 --> 00:13:41,442 So, what are MeRA polling at right now? 209 00:13:41,552 --> 00:13:42,552 How close are you? 210 00:13:43,722 --> 00:13:48,012 Well, two days ago, we were on a knife's edge. 211 00:13:49,322 --> 00:13:52,652 Yesterday and today we had some secret polls being 212 00:13:52,972 --> 00:13:54,972 communicated with us that tell us that we're safe. 213 00:13:55,192 --> 00:13:57,412 But, of course, opinion polls are like sausages. 214 00:13:57,832 --> 00:14:00,192 If you know how they're made, you don't want to touch them. 215 00:16:23,932 --> 00:16:27,319 That anniversary, in previous years, of the NO vote 216 00:16:27,402 --> 00:16:30,939 of the referendum, every 5th of July has 217 00:16:31,022 --> 00:16:33,622 always been a very difficult day for me personally. 218 00:16:33,922 --> 00:16:35,129 Every 5th of July, 219 00:16:35,212 --> 00:16:38,999 I've associated in my memory reading on my laptop a barrage 220 00:16:39,082 --> 00:16:43,822 of attacks, on my own, struggling 221 00:16:44,042 --> 00:16:46,619 to respond to each one of them, writing reams 222 00:16:46,702 --> 00:16:50,889 and reams of responses — feisty responses... 223 00:16:50,972 --> 00:16:53,462 Because I wasn't letting them off the hook. 224 00:16:54,122 --> 00:16:56,102 It was always a very sad and very lonely day. 225 00:16:57,082 --> 00:16:58,499 So, when yesterday 226 00:16:58,582 --> 00:17:01,382 I found myself, not in pristine isolation, 227 00:17:01,642 --> 00:17:06,342 but amongst hundreds of supporters in central Athens Square 228 00:17:06,732 --> 00:17:11,222 with that remarkable energy, solidarity, and optimism, 229 00:17:11,722 --> 00:17:14,622 it was the first anniversary of the NO vote that 230 00:17:15,162 --> 00:17:17,062 was not just pleasant 231 00:17:18,122 --> 00:17:23,062 but a kind of rebirth, a regeneration, 232 00:17:23,822 --> 00:17:26,622 a reinvention of whom we used to be. 233 00:17:31,372 --> 00:17:35,422 Welcome to the MeRA25 headquarters, 234 00:17:36,002 --> 00:17:38,502 the DiEM home base in Athens, Greece. 235 00:17:39,242 --> 00:17:40,882 As you can see, it's very quiet right now 236 00:17:41,342 --> 00:17:43,819 because tomorrow is election day, which means 237 00:17:43,902 --> 00:17:46,622 that all campaign activities are on hold. 238 00:17:47,092 --> 00:17:51,332 Sure. This is, I would say, the control centre 239 00:17:51,952 --> 00:17:53,812 of the MeRA25 operation. 240 00:17:54,512 --> 00:17:56,809 So, posters aside, this is a map 241 00:17:56,892 --> 00:18:00,892 that will have all the key dates for the various tours that 242 00:18:01,032 --> 00:18:03,812 Eric Edmond, whom you may have met, would've been doing, 243 00:18:04,442 --> 00:18:07,329 travelling around in his vehicle, doing little rallies 244 00:18:07,412 --> 00:18:08,809 and building small teams of grassroots 245 00:18:08,892 --> 00:18:10,572 activists all over the country. 246 00:18:11,452 --> 00:18:14,692 I know you've struggled to get funding for both DiEM and for MeRA, 247 00:18:14,872 --> 00:18:16,152 that this has been a huge issue. 248 00:18:16,402 --> 00:18:19,052 Okay. How have you managed? 249 00:18:21,912 --> 00:18:22,912 On a shoestring. 250 00:18:23,072 --> 00:18:24,652 We managed on a shoestring 251 00:18:25,122 --> 00:18:29,372 because, in the end, it's true. Capital 252 00:18:30,002 --> 00:18:32,652 does not flow into the coffers of parties 253 00:18:33,442 --> 00:18:37,812 that work against the interests of financialised capitalism. 254 00:18:38,312 --> 00:18:41,852 But what is, I think, quite remarkable, 255 00:18:42,082 --> 00:18:44,132 is the kind of 256 00:18:44,652 --> 00:18:46,649 campaign against us waged within the 257 00:18:46,732 --> 00:18:47,852 banking system. 258 00:18:48,872 --> 00:18:51,132 It took us six months to open a bank account. 259 00:18:51,362 --> 00:18:53,452 They kept pretending that 260 00:18:53,562 --> 00:18:54,772 some paperwork was missing. 261 00:18:55,392 --> 00:18:58,449 And then, once they opened the bank account, 262 00:18:58,532 --> 00:19:00,289 they did everything they could to make sure 263 00:19:00,372 --> 00:19:01,692 that it is inoperable. 264 00:19:02,512 --> 00:19:03,789 So, for instance, if you wanted 265 00:19:03,872 --> 00:19:06,132 to make a donation using your MasterCard, your Visa, 266 00:19:06,792 --> 00:19:11,212 you couldn't. If you wanted to do web banking, you couldn't. 267 00:19:12,232 --> 00:19:14,692 The only way, they told us, that 268 00:19:14,912 --> 00:19:17,732 anyone can make a donation is if they 269 00:19:18,462 --> 00:19:20,572 stand and queue, they queue up, 270 00:19:21,552 --> 00:19:24,772 at the cashiers. When some of our people try to do that, 271 00:19:25,792 --> 00:19:29,892 the cashiers ask them for a letter from the party 272 00:19:30,492 --> 00:19:32,572 authorising them to give us money. 273 00:19:37,652 --> 00:19:40,292 Tomorrow morning, polls open at seven in the morning 274 00:19:40,592 --> 00:19:44,292 and they shut at 7pm. We are going to have some 275 00:19:45,122 --> 00:19:46,219 nail-biting moments after 7pm tomorrow 276 00:19:46,302 --> 00:19:49,572 until the first results come out. 277 00:19:50,512 --> 00:19:52,249 But, I still feel confident that we're going 278 00:19:52,332 --> 00:19:56,092 to celebrate the return of the anti-austerity movement, 279 00:19:56,392 --> 00:19:59,212 the Green New Deal, to Parliament for the first time. 280 00:21:27,962 --> 00:21:31,179 The man who once promised he could end austerity, defy 281 00:21:31,262 --> 00:21:33,982 Brussels and still keep his country in the Euro 282 00:21:34,782 --> 00:21:37,859 conceded defeat tonight. Alexis TsÌpras was going 283 00:21:37,942 --> 00:21:41,142 to transform politics in Greece. After four years, 284 00:21:41,322 --> 00:21:44,459 the Greek people have said, "Enough. 285 00:21:44,542 --> 00:21:46,119 Let's go back to the traditional parties." 286 00:21:46,202 --> 00:21:47,202 How are you feeling? 287 00:21:47,912 --> 00:21:49,902 Mixed feelings. I mean, of course, elated, 288 00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:52,679 but at the same time, saddened. On the one hand, 289 00:21:52,762 --> 00:21:54,179 we are elated that we are going 290 00:21:54,262 --> 00:21:55,782 to put this voice in Parliament. 291 00:21:55,992 --> 00:21:59,302 We're also elated that we bumped off Golden Dawn. 292 00:21:59,682 --> 00:22:02,142 We pushed the Nazis out. At the same time, 293 00:22:02,472 --> 00:22:06,022 there is a new fascist party coming in just ahead of us. 294 00:22:06,482 --> 00:22:09,939 And, of course, it's impossible to celebrate, 295 00:22:10,022 --> 00:22:11,742 given that now we have a new chapter 296 00:22:12,322 --> 00:22:13,862 in this country's debt bondage, 297 00:22:14,732 --> 00:22:18,302 with a ruthless neoliberal party in government 298 00:22:18,812 --> 00:22:22,942 with an absolute majority that has the capacity, now, 299 00:22:23,042 --> 00:22:27,382 on the foundation of the fourth bailout agreement 300 00:22:27,512 --> 00:22:28,979 introduced by TsÌpras 301 00:22:29,062 --> 00:22:33,342 and Syriza, our former comrades, to build 302 00:22:33,462 --> 00:22:36,222 a class war against people who've lost almost everything. 303 00:22:36,672 --> 00:22:41,182 MeRA25 is a tiny candle that has the capacity to pierce 304 00:22:42,082 --> 00:22:45,022 the darkness, but the darkness is getting thicker. 305 00:23:01,842 --> 00:23:03,939 It's quite spectacular. Greece became bankrupt, officially, 306 00:23:04,022 --> 00:23:05,462 in 2010. Our debt 307 00:23:05,882 --> 00:23:08,862 was something like 300 billion euros 308 00:23:09,642 --> 00:23:14,262 and our income was around 240 billion euros, 309 00:23:14,962 --> 00:23:17,302 and that was considered to be such a gap 310 00:23:18,052 --> 00:23:20,062 that warranted calling Greece insolvent, 311 00:23:20,402 --> 00:23:24,182 and making us headline news everywhere in the world. 312 00:23:24,812 --> 00:23:28,379 Well, now the 300 billion debt is 313 00:23:28,462 --> 00:23:30,662 370... 380, maybe, 314 00:23:32,002 --> 00:23:35,302 and our income from 240 is 162, 315 00:23:36,362 --> 00:23:38,782 and yet nobody talks about it as a case 316 00:23:39,082 --> 00:23:40,862 of deepening insolvency. 317 00:23:42,842 --> 00:23:46,849 Why? If the powers that be want to declare 318 00:23:46,932 --> 00:23:48,569 that you're insolvent because they want to punish you 319 00:23:48,652 --> 00:23:50,012 or they want to make you do things 320 00:23:50,392 --> 00:23:52,729 or take away your stuff like, you know, 321 00:23:52,812 --> 00:23:54,452 your airports and your ports and so on, 322 00:23:55,212 --> 00:23:57,249 suddenly every newspaper in the world 323 00:23:57,332 --> 00:23:58,612 talks about your insolvency. 324 00:23:59,242 --> 00:24:00,732 Once they've taken away everything 325 00:24:01,432 --> 00:24:04,932 and they have installed in Athens a government 326 00:24:05,462 --> 00:24:09,452 which says 'yes' to them, to whatever demands 327 00:24:09,682 --> 00:24:13,532 they imagine, right, then suddenly our debt is not a problem. 328 00:24:14,082 --> 00:24:16,229 They keep rolling it over and rolling it over, 329 00:24:16,312 --> 00:24:17,429 and they will keep rolling it over. 330 00:24:17,512 --> 00:24:20,652 You see, debt is power. It's got nothing to do with money. 331 00:24:29,122 --> 00:24:30,572 Unwelcome but expected, 332 00:24:30,952 --> 00:24:33,012 the Coronavirus has hit the UK. 333 00:24:33,412 --> 00:24:36,412 A SARS-like virus, which has infected hundreds in China, 334 00:24:36,712 --> 00:24:38,252 has now reached the United States. 335 00:24:39,152 --> 00:24:41,799 The pandemic's greatest lesson to all of us, 336 00:24:41,882 --> 00:24:43,372 both on the left and on the right, 337 00:24:44,732 --> 00:24:46,132 concerns the power of the state. 338 00:24:47,192 --> 00:24:52,012 For years, we lulled ourselves into the belief that, 339 00:24:52,272 --> 00:24:54,812 governments cease to have any power. 340 00:24:55,792 --> 00:24:59,532 And the moment COVID-19 hits, suddenly we realise 341 00:25:00,432 --> 00:25:02,772 the immense power of the nation state. 342 00:25:03,392 --> 00:25:05,652 So, they, you know, they shut us indoors; 343 00:25:06,002 --> 00:25:07,172 they imposed the curfew; 344 00:25:07,722 --> 00:25:08,972 they closed down the economy; 345 00:25:09,482 --> 00:25:11,412 they replaced the labour markets; 346 00:25:12,162 --> 00:25:13,892 they renationalised everything 347 00:25:14,712 --> 00:25:18,772 and, suddenly, we had more or less 348 00:25:18,892 --> 00:25:22,869 a return to an absolute monarchy in terms 349 00:25:22,952 --> 00:25:24,652 of the power of the state to do stuff. 350 00:25:31,242 --> 00:25:35,572 Many claim that the pandemic is a crisis of its own, 351 00:25:36,612 --> 00:25:37,972 a separate financial crisis. 352 00:25:38,892 --> 00:25:39,972 I do not share that view. 353 00:25:41,972 --> 00:25:44,612 I strongly believe that the great crisis 354 00:25:44,712 --> 00:25:48,052 of our times began in 2008 which, as I keep saying, 355 00:25:48,152 --> 00:25:50,212 was our generation's 1929, 356 00:25:52,152 --> 00:25:54,652 and that that crisis never went away. 357 00:25:55,392 --> 00:25:59,532 It migrated from one continent to the other 358 00:25:59,752 --> 00:26:01,192 while mutating during its migration. 359 00:26:01,312 --> 00:26:03,972 And 2008 was the moment 360 00:26:04,722 --> 00:26:07,772 when future historians are going to mark the end, 361 00:26:08,432 --> 00:26:12,012 the official end, of what we all knew as capitalism. 362 00:26:12,582 --> 00:26:14,952 Something else has emerged. 363 00:26:18,212 --> 00:26:22,629 For the first time, capitalism no longer depended 364 00:26:22,712 --> 00:26:24,992 on capital accumulation, on profitability. 365 00:26:26,022 --> 00:26:28,512 Instead, the wealth creation process 366 00:26:29,372 --> 00:26:30,992 became utterly dependent 367 00:26:31,772 --> 00:26:34,032 on the money printing by central banks. 368 00:26:34,662 --> 00:26:38,112 This was then visited upon by the pandemic. 369 00:26:40,862 --> 00:26:42,129 Think about what the Bank of England, 370 00:26:42,212 --> 00:26:44,649 the European Central Bank, the Federal Reserve, 371 00:26:44,732 --> 00:26:47,052 the Bank of Japan, of Sweden, of Switzerland... 372 00:26:47,482 --> 00:26:48,892 what they did was more of the same. 373 00:26:49,722 --> 00:26:51,132 They printed even more money. 374 00:26:51,682 --> 00:26:54,212 They gave it to the same old defunct banks. 375 00:26:54,752 --> 00:26:55,969 The same banks gave it 376 00:26:56,052 --> 00:26:57,489 to the same large corporations like 377 00:26:57,572 --> 00:26:59,612 Google, Volkswagen and so on. 378 00:26:59,822 --> 00:27:01,729 Those corporations did not invest 379 00:27:01,812 --> 00:27:03,252 that money in good quality jobs 380 00:27:03,752 --> 00:27:06,172 or the green transition that humanity needs 381 00:27:06,552 --> 00:27:07,892 or health or anything like that. 382 00:27:08,122 --> 00:27:10,492 What they did is to go to the Stock Exchange 383 00:27:10,712 --> 00:27:12,212 and buy back their own shares 384 00:27:12,752 --> 00:27:15,612 and, in so doing, pushing up the financial markets 385 00:27:15,952 --> 00:27:17,812 so, you have this complete decoupling 386 00:27:18,232 --> 00:27:19,932 of the financial sector, 387 00:27:20,232 --> 00:27:22,732 of the financial sphere, from the capital sphere. 388 00:27:27,482 --> 00:27:31,869 This realisation hit me on the 12th of August 389 00:27:31,952 --> 00:27:36,092 of 2020, when I saw what happened in London. 390 00:27:38,012 --> 00:27:39,932 A few minutes after nine o'clock in the morning, 391 00:27:40,272 --> 00:27:41,332 you had the announcement 392 00:27:42,002 --> 00:27:44,412 that the British economy suffered its greatest 393 00:27:44,932 --> 00:27:47,172 slump in the history of British capitalism. 394 00:27:47,402 --> 00:27:49,612 More than 20% of GDP had been lost 395 00:27:50,152 --> 00:27:51,212 during the lockdown. 396 00:27:52,432 --> 00:27:54,692 And some, like, 15... 16 minutes later, 397 00:27:56,672 --> 00:27:59,212 the London Stock Exchange went up... 398 00:28:00,522 --> 00:28:01,972 very significantly up. 399 00:28:03,072 --> 00:28:05,172 That has never happened before. 400 00:28:11,312 --> 00:28:12,372 To them it was good news. 401 00:28:13,282 --> 00:28:16,789 They heard that the GDP of the United Kingdom fell 402 00:28:16,872 --> 00:28:18,132 by 20 something percent, 403 00:28:18,992 --> 00:28:20,769 and immediately they thought, "Excellent! 404 00:28:20,852 --> 00:28:24,209 Because this means that the Bank of England are panicking 405 00:28:24,292 --> 00:28:26,809 so they'll put in more money and they will give it to us 406 00:28:26,892 --> 00:28:29,412 and we'll take it to the Stock Exchange and buy our own shares, 407 00:28:29,512 --> 00:28:30,539 and the shares will go up. 408 00:28:30,622 --> 00:28:32,852 Great. Let's buy some more. Good news!" 409 00:28:38,862 --> 00:28:41,199 We've won with the most votes ever cast 410 00:28:41,282 --> 00:28:44,332 on a presidential ticket in the history of the nation: 411 00:28:45,122 --> 00:28:46,372 74 million! 412 00:28:49,642 --> 00:28:54,169 What I find mesmerisingly interesting is that 413 00:28:54,252 --> 00:28:58,012 which is missing from Biden's New Deal. 414 00:29:00,152 --> 00:29:04,692 You will recall that the original FDR New Deal in 1933 415 00:29:05,672 --> 00:29:07,052 had two main pillars. 416 00:29:08,192 --> 00:29:12,052 One was a large scale investment programme. 417 00:29:12,902 --> 00:29:16,532 Biden is emulating that. The second pillar of FDR 418 00:29:17,312 --> 00:29:20,492 was institutional changes that amounted 419 00:29:20,712 --> 00:29:22,172 to a war against the bankers. 420 00:29:23,202 --> 00:29:26,172 That is completely absent from Biden's agenda. 421 00:29:26,832 --> 00:29:30,812 So, when I am speaking of high finance 422 00:29:31,912 --> 00:29:34,892 as a harmful factor in recent years, 423 00:29:36,172 --> 00:29:39,852 I am speaking about the type of individual who speculates 424 00:29:40,122 --> 00:29:41,692 with other people's money. 425 00:29:42,192 --> 00:29:45,612 And you in Chicago know the kind I refer to. 426 00:29:49,962 --> 00:29:52,502 The lack of a clash with the financial sector, 427 00:29:53,232 --> 00:29:54,512 which should have taken the form 428 00:29:54,842 --> 00:29:56,702 of demanding a write-off of debt; 429 00:29:57,522 --> 00:30:01,579 the lack of interest by the Biden administration in doing that 430 00:30:01,662 --> 00:30:06,382 does not constitute the kind of shift, 431 00:30:07,602 --> 00:30:11,782 not just of income but also of wealth creation sources, 432 00:30:12,442 --> 00:30:16,582 in order to stem the increased chances of Trump 433 00:30:16,802 --> 00:30:20,222 or, somebody like Trump, making a triumphant return. 434 00:30:22,082 --> 00:30:24,902 Our level of enthusiasm, the Trump... 435 00:30:25,222 --> 00:30:28,942 whatever the hell you want to call us... the group, is way 436 00:30:29,322 --> 00:30:30,419 is off the charts. 437 00:30:30,502 --> 00:30:32,982 I believe it's the highest in the history of elections. But... 438 00:30:35,572 --> 00:30:38,599 Because we had Trump before, it's so easy 439 00:30:38,682 --> 00:30:42,102 to become enthusiastic about Biden without recognising 440 00:30:42,612 --> 00:30:43,822 what really needs to be done, 441 00:30:44,442 --> 00:30:46,782 and that Biden is not interested in doing it 442 00:30:47,482 --> 00:30:50,942 at a global scale or even at the level of the United States. 443 00:30:51,722 --> 00:30:55,539 To put it bluntly, we need at least 10% of global GDP 444 00:30:55,622 --> 00:30:58,982 to be spent on the green transition globally. 445 00:30:59,602 --> 00:31:02,742 If the United States doesn't lead such a campaign 446 00:31:03,562 --> 00:31:07,092 for an international Green New Deal, who will do it? 447 00:31:09,722 --> 00:31:11,149 Even if he takes all this money 448 00:31:11,232 --> 00:31:14,212 and spends it in electrifying 449 00:31:14,552 --> 00:31:18,292 the car industry and the road system, which will be great, 450 00:31:19,272 --> 00:31:21,469 it will still be a case 451 00:31:21,552 --> 00:31:23,932 of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. 452 00:32:48,942 --> 00:32:51,572 Trump became President of the United States 453 00:32:52,042 --> 00:32:54,572 because there is a massive amount 454 00:32:55,972 --> 00:32:59,892 of pain in this country, which is not seen on television, 455 00:33:00,222 --> 00:33:03,412 which many of my democratic colleagues do not know 456 00:33:03,952 --> 00:33:05,092 and do not talk about. 457 00:33:05,792 --> 00:33:10,492 The life expectancy in the United States of America 458 00:33:10,852 --> 00:33:13,172 has declined for the third straight year. 459 00:33:14,432 --> 00:33:17,972 You have demagogues who deal with that pain 460 00:33:18,152 --> 00:33:19,729 and say, "The problem is, is that 461 00:33:19,812 --> 00:33:22,372 Mexican immigrant who's picking strawberries 462 00:33:22,592 --> 00:33:23,612 for $8 an hour." 463 00:33:23,912 --> 00:33:26,249 So, you take that anger and frustration 464 00:33:26,332 --> 00:33:27,612 and hurt that people are feeling 465 00:33:27,752 --> 00:33:29,269 and you turn them against people 466 00:33:29,352 --> 00:33:30,759 who are in worse shape than you are. 467 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:34,889 Alright? And our job is to bring our people together to say, 468 00:33:34,972 --> 00:33:38,769 "No. It is not some Mexican picking strawberries for 469 00:33:38,852 --> 00:33:41,892 eight bucks an hour who is our enemy. It is Wall Street. 470 00:33:42,152 --> 00:33:45,532 It is the fossil fuel industry. It is the drug companies. 471 00:33:45,722 --> 00:33:47,052 It's the insurance companies. 472 00:33:47,162 --> 00:33:49,042 Let's stand together and take those people on." 473 00:33:51,792 --> 00:33:53,489 In the previous sections we were talking 474 00:33:53,572 --> 00:33:54,612 about a Green New Deal. 475 00:33:55,112 --> 00:33:58,489 If we do not succeed in the international Green New Deal, 476 00:33:58,572 --> 00:34:01,052 not an American one, not a North American one, 477 00:34:01,272 --> 00:34:05,209 not a white one, not a European Atlanticist Green New Deal, 478 00:34:05,292 --> 00:34:09,569 but an international New Deal, ruin without end is going 479 00:34:09,652 --> 00:34:13,412 to loom black across our lands, our rivers, our mountains. 480 00:34:13,672 --> 00:34:15,892 We are now going to issue an open call 481 00:34:15,992 --> 00:34:17,532 to all progressives in the world. 482 00:34:17,952 --> 00:34:19,052 It is time to unite. 483 00:34:20,082 --> 00:34:21,779 It is our historic duty to do it 484 00:34:21,862 --> 00:34:24,822 because if you think about it, the bankers 485 00:34:26,082 --> 00:34:28,132 have formed a bankers' international. 486 00:34:28,402 --> 00:34:30,932 When I was talking to the creditors, 487 00:34:33,152 --> 00:34:36,412 the lack of racism, the solidarity, 488 00:34:38,072 --> 00:34:42,212 the coalescence between them was very impressive. 489 00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:48,012 They were Austrian, Dutch, Irish, Spanish, 490 00:34:48,822 --> 00:34:52,332 Portuguese, Greek, and they worked as one. 491 00:34:54,312 --> 00:34:57,292 The fascists are forming a fascist 492 00:34:57,892 --> 00:35:01,172 nationalist international. Donald Trump, Matteo Salvini, 493 00:35:01,792 --> 00:35:03,532 Marine Le Pen, Boris Johnson, 494 00:35:04,242 --> 00:35:08,372 Modi showed a remarkable capacity to organise, 495 00:35:09,112 --> 00:35:11,612 and we are failing left, right, and centre. 496 00:35:12,112 --> 00:35:14,972 The only people who have not tried to combine and 497 00:35:15,352 --> 00:35:18,449 go along with the internationalism 498 00:35:18,532 --> 00:35:21,772 which is innate in their ideology, is the progressives. 499 00:35:21,992 --> 00:35:23,532 It is high time that the 500 00:35:23,652 --> 00:35:25,092 Progressive International is formed. 501 00:35:31,852 --> 00:35:32,852 Together, 502 00:35:33,782 --> 00:35:34,782 we are here. 503 00:35:36,562 --> 00:35:39,412 Friends, comrades, fellow internationalists, 504 00:35:39,852 --> 00:35:41,332 wherever you are on this planet, 505 00:35:41,842 --> 00:35:43,389 welcome to this inaugural 506 00:35:43,472 --> 00:35:46,852 and historic summit of the Progressive International. 507 00:35:47,912 --> 00:35:52,052 The progressive International has a crucial role to play 508 00:35:52,752 --> 00:35:56,852 in determining which course history will follow. 509 00:35:57,882 --> 00:35:59,932 With the fate of the human experiment 510 00:36:00,622 --> 00:36:02,532 quite literally at stake. 511 00:36:03,212 --> 00:36:05,009 I think this pandemic that we are going 512 00:36:05,092 --> 00:36:08,572 to talk about here also today shows us that there is so 513 00:36:09,282 --> 00:36:12,892 much need for greater international collaboration 514 00:36:13,022 --> 00:36:14,532 among progressive forces. 515 00:36:15,112 --> 00:36:19,092 We have to fight the old order in all its forms 516 00:36:19,762 --> 00:36:22,132 with every breath in our bodies. 517 00:36:22,642 --> 00:36:25,449 Part of the neo-fascist movements in the world 518 00:36:25,532 --> 00:36:27,509 have to do with people's contempt 519 00:36:27,592 --> 00:36:30,612 for neoliberal elites who lied to them, 520 00:36:31,562 --> 00:36:33,492 that told them they stand for justice 521 00:36:33,992 --> 00:36:35,772 and invoked Martin Luther King Jr., 522 00:36:36,112 --> 00:36:38,972 and ended up hanging out with Wall Street folk, 523 00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:40,612 with war profiteers. 524 00:36:41,162 --> 00:36:45,372 What we are witnessing today is effectively 525 00:36:45,972 --> 00:36:47,572 a wall against democracy. 526 00:36:48,082 --> 00:36:50,252 What is it that makes 527 00:36:51,022 --> 00:36:53,252 human beings so obedient? 528 00:36:53,582 --> 00:36:55,709 Let's not make them same mistakes over 529 00:36:55,792 --> 00:36:57,009 and over again. Thank you 530 00:36:57,092 --> 00:36:58,332 very much for this opportunity. 531 00:37:04,152 --> 00:37:06,412 And we must really protect the women's struggle from 532 00:37:06,562 --> 00:37:09,892 co-optation by the state and co-optation from capitalism. 533 00:37:15,262 --> 00:37:16,849 I hope at the end of this summit 534 00:37:16,932 --> 00:37:20,572 we will all remember that being a progressive, 535 00:37:21,152 --> 00:37:25,332 in its very essence, is to choose to trust in humankind. 536 00:37:25,712 --> 00:37:28,652 It is simply not enough to act locally. 537 00:37:29,592 --> 00:37:31,329 It is essential. It is necessary 538 00:37:31,412 --> 00:37:33,132 to act locally, but it is not enough. 539 00:37:33,312 --> 00:37:35,172 You need to act globally as well. 540 00:37:35,432 --> 00:37:37,979 The climate challenge is not leaving us. 541 00:37:38,062 --> 00:37:39,969 It'll be right where we left it, really, when the 542 00:37:40,052 --> 00:37:41,452 Coronavirus entered our lives, 543 00:37:42,352 --> 00:37:47,212 and I am very worried that this will become a less priority 544 00:37:47,502 --> 00:37:48,572 after the epidemic. 545 00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:54,732 We need a global project to stop climate change 546 00:37:55,992 --> 00:37:58,332 and to reverse the disaster 547 00:37:58,642 --> 00:38:00,932 that humanity has inflicted upon the planet. 548 00:38:06,772 --> 00:38:10,649 In the same way that climate change cannot be dealt with 549 00:38:10,732 --> 00:38:13,269 by the Brits, by the Greeks, by the Americans, 550 00:38:13,352 --> 00:38:17,232 by the Chinese alone, 551 00:38:18,732 --> 00:38:22,112 poverty around the globe cannot be dealt with 552 00:38:22,212 --> 00:38:24,152 just by one country, one jurisdiction. 553 00:38:25,022 --> 00:38:28,912 Similarly with banking. There is no way you can 554 00:38:30,172 --> 00:38:34,689 do away with the oxygen-sapping effect 555 00:38:34,772 --> 00:38:39,252 of the City of London without dealing with the banking 556 00:38:39,832 --> 00:38:41,609 crisis internationally, 557 00:38:41,692 --> 00:38:45,852 without putting the financial genie in a bottle globally. 558 00:38:46,322 --> 00:38:47,409 There is no way we can deal with 559 00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:49,729 public debt in one country if we don't deal 560 00:38:49,812 --> 00:38:51,852 with public debt more globally. 561 00:38:54,282 --> 00:38:56,732 Once you realise that, you've got 562 00:38:56,872 --> 00:38:58,652 to answer a very simple question. 563 00:38:59,752 --> 00:39:01,649 Are you going to let the Davos globalists 564 00:39:01,732 --> 00:39:03,132 run the world, 565 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,242 or are you going to create democratic institutions 566 00:39:07,502 --> 00:39:09,562 and international distributions that are 567 00:39:10,642 --> 00:39:13,242 scrutinised democratically by the peoples of the planet 568 00:39:14,222 --> 00:39:17,519 in order to provide the global leadership, 569 00:39:17,602 --> 00:39:21,162 which is essential for the perpetuation of the human race? 570 00:39:21,432 --> 00:39:24,309 This is the dilemma we're facing. 571 00:39:24,392 --> 00:39:25,442 There's no third option. 572 00:39:31,062 --> 00:39:34,442 The idea of imposing limits 573 00:39:34,662 --> 00:39:37,899 and caps on resource use in order 574 00:39:37,982 --> 00:39:39,182 to stop destroying the planet; 575 00:39:40,022 --> 00:39:43,959 the idea of redistributing income from the global north 576 00:39:44,042 --> 00:39:47,522 to the global south as part of the process of 577 00:39:48,402 --> 00:39:49,402 a green transition; 578 00:39:49,942 --> 00:39:53,939 the idea of a monetary system that is designed for 579 00:39:54,022 --> 00:39:55,402 the many, not for the few; 580 00:39:56,412 --> 00:40:01,039 these ideas are prerequisites for the survival 581 00:40:01,122 --> 00:40:04,722 of the human race. And they'd better be implemented, 582 00:40:05,772 --> 00:40:08,859 honed, developed by a majority of 583 00:40:08,942 --> 00:40:10,762 people in a majority of countries. 584 00:42:52,602 --> 00:42:56,532 Many friends and foes say to me that, 585 00:42:56,802 --> 00:42:58,092 "Your project is utopian. 586 00:42:58,632 --> 00:43:02,412 It won't work." Well, be that as it may, 587 00:43:03,072 --> 00:43:07,802 what should we do? Just be bystanders watching 588 00:43:08,582 --> 00:43:10,242 the steady decline 589 00:43:10,542 --> 00:43:14,619 and degeneration of our societies, our polities, 590 00:43:14,702 --> 00:43:19,359 our communities? Or fight for that which, whether you win 591 00:43:19,442 --> 00:43:23,962 or not, can sow the seeds of the next rennaissance. 44986

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