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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:29,738 raucous rock instrumental 2 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:42,500 Back in the day, 3 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:45,378 we were the people that stood in line 4 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:49,549 at a record store waiting for the gate to open. 5 00:00:49,591 --> 00:00:55,096 Because the discovery of music was everything. 6 00:00:58,266 --> 00:01:02,645 For years, the only way you would be able 7 00:01:02,687 --> 00:01:04,731 to judge what you should get 8 00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:06,900 was you'd look at the cover and be like, 9 00:01:06,941 --> 00:01:09,402 "Oh, that's cool. That's gonna piss off my parents" 10 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:11,738 or "That looks rockin'," or whatever. 11 00:01:11,780 --> 00:01:14,199 And it was all we looked forward to 12 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,909 was to open that cellophane 13 00:01:15,950 --> 00:01:17,577 and see what would fall out of the jacket. 14 00:01:17,619 --> 00:01:19,871 Sometimes there would be a picture or something, 15 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:22,916 and smell it and hold it, 16 00:01:22,957 --> 00:01:24,667 put it on the turntable, 17 00:01:24,709 --> 00:01:28,421 drop the needle, and when this music's in your blood 18 00:01:28,463 --> 00:01:30,882 and Dio and the music he made's in your blood, 19 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:34,010 it's just impossible to... to get out. 20 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:48,441 When you're a kid, you're looking for a voice, 21 00:01:48,483 --> 00:01:52,112 somethin' that says, "This is my generation." 22 00:01:52,153 --> 00:01:54,239 And for us, it was heavy metal. 23 00:01:56,324 --> 00:01:58,118 And then all of a sudden comes this dude 24 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:00,787 with the most powerful voice of all! 25 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:03,039 Stand up and shout 26 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,381 With a heavy metal band, the music is so powerful 27 00:02:11,422 --> 00:02:14,050 and so potent, you really have to know 28 00:02:14,092 --> 00:02:15,635 how to control it... 29 00:02:15,677 --> 00:02:18,304 specifically singers because we have a message. 30 00:02:18,346 --> 00:02:20,640 We have things to say. 31 00:02:20,682 --> 00:02:22,976 Listen to me and believe what I say today 32 00:02:23,017 --> 00:02:26,646 He found a way to create music that makes people 33 00:02:26,688 --> 00:02:29,399 unable to contain themselves 34 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,110 to the point where they refuse to live without that music. 35 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:36,322 I was amazed by the way 36 00:02:36,364 --> 00:02:38,825 he was able to captivate people. 37 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:41,327 I want to know how, why... How do you get there? 38 00:02:44,205 --> 00:02:46,332 We rock 39 00:02:46,374 --> 00:02:48,501 There are a lot of people that think of Ronnie 40 00:02:48,543 --> 00:02:50,670 as being the guy that did this and singing metal. 41 00:02:50,712 --> 00:02:53,715 That is him, but there's another side. 42 00:02:53,756 --> 00:02:55,508 The million dollar question... 43 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:57,844 How do you describe Ronnie James Dio? 44 00:02:57,886 --> 00:03:00,722 I tend to be an enigma to a lot of people, I think. 45 00:03:00,763 --> 00:03:02,724 There was something about the guy. 46 00:03:02,765 --> 00:03:05,435 There was just something about him. 47 00:03:05,476 --> 00:03:08,605 When Ronnie sang, he wanted to make sure 48 00:03:08,646 --> 00:03:11,024 that everyone never forgot it. 49 00:03:11,065 --> 00:03:15,653 People took it home with them and they named their pet "Dio," 50 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:19,324 and they named their firstborn "Ronnie." 51 00:03:19,365 --> 00:03:21,868 It was like, "This is rock 'n' roll 52 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:24,287 that is gonna change your fucking life." 53 00:03:24,329 --> 00:03:26,539 'Cause we rock 54 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:29,459 We rock 55 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:32,545 See how we rock 56 00:03:32,587 --> 00:03:34,005 We rock 57 00:03:44,515 --> 00:03:46,392 It's been years since Ronnie passed. 58 00:03:46,434 --> 00:03:50,730 He passed on the 16th of May, 2010. 59 00:03:50,772 --> 00:03:53,399 I think he's here. I think he's here still, all the time. 60 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:55,735 Sometimes I hear my name called, but there's nobody here. 61 00:03:55,777 --> 00:03:57,195 Wendy. 62 00:03:57,237 --> 00:04:00,573 I'm probably just imagining it. 63 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:02,992 Hello. Welcome to my home 64 00:04:03,034 --> 00:04:04,911 and welcome to Behind Closed Doors. 65 00:04:04,953 --> 00:04:08,581 This was a Christmas present from my wife, from Wendy. 66 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:12,377 We can see the lions and whatnot. 67 00:04:12,418 --> 00:04:15,838 Mick, away we go. I'm gonna make this ball here, 68 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,091 and then we can talk. Ok. 69 00:04:18,132 --> 00:04:21,094 Ronnie's story traverses, really, the whole history 70 00:04:21,135 --> 00:04:22,762 of rock music. 71 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:26,724 His career went on for decade after decade. 72 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,894 Here we are all these years after he died, 73 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:33,898 and he's still this huge figure in heavy metal. 74 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:36,693 You know, some of these guys are immortal, 75 00:04:36,734 --> 00:04:39,028 but none more so than Ronnie James Dio. 76 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:41,281 We now have a media room here, 77 00:04:41,322 --> 00:04:45,034 but I still have the lions and I still have the nostalgia 78 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:48,788 of when we used to have the pool table here. 79 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:50,456 Well, you've caught me in the library, 80 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:52,292 one of my favorite places in all the world 81 00:04:52,333 --> 00:04:55,712 because it contains words. 82 00:04:55,753 --> 00:04:58,756 You know, he had a message. He was a messenger. 83 00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:03,052 His message was for the people that lived regular lives, 84 00:05:03,094 --> 00:05:06,264 had regular dreams that meant something real. 85 00:05:08,516 --> 00:05:10,977 You know I don't play piano. I'm a singer. 86 00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:13,896 Let's go to the bar. It's my favorite place anyway. 87 00:05:13,938 --> 00:05:17,025 This is his favorite place, was the bar. 88 00:05:17,066 --> 00:05:19,652 So I feel his presence much more here. 89 00:05:19,694 --> 00:05:21,946 And it's a warm, comforting feeling. 90 00:05:21,988 --> 00:05:23,948 Obviously, you've had a lot of elbows resting 91 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:25,700 on this at one time or another. 92 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:27,744 We never started with this. 93 00:05:27,785 --> 00:05:29,662 And why should we think that this should last forever? 94 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:31,956 I was just as happy, and I'm sure Wendy was just as happy 95 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:33,833 before struggling and being happy together. 96 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:36,169 I think this is all very transitory anyway. 97 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:38,129 It's... It comes and it goes. 98 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:40,173 I mean, you have ups and downs. It's like life. 99 00:05:40,214 --> 00:05:43,468 Life goes through great waves of emotion and passion 100 00:05:43,509 --> 00:05:45,345 and great lows of despair and whatnot. 101 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:46,929 That's the way life is. 102 00:05:58,358 --> 00:06:03,404 There it is. That's his beautiful trumpet 103 00:06:03,446 --> 00:06:06,032 that hasn't been played in a long time. 104 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:09,535 He used to play this from when he was 5 years old. 105 00:06:09,577 --> 00:06:11,496 He never played it for me. 106 00:06:11,537 --> 00:06:14,707 It's a beautiful thing, but he had had enough of it, 107 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:16,167 I think from all the hours of practice 108 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:17,710 he had to do with his dad. 109 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:22,590 smooth swing instrumental 110 00:06:22,632 --> 00:06:24,300 I started as a trumpet player 111 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:26,427 when I was 5 years old. 112 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:28,096 Oh, so you've been very musical. Where was that? 113 00:06:28,137 --> 00:06:29,472 Upstate New York, 114 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:30,848 a town called Cortland, New York, 115 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:32,183 which is right in the middle of nowhere. 116 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:34,685 Dairy farming community. 18,000 people. 117 00:06:34,727 --> 00:06:36,896 It was a great place to grow up because you got 118 00:06:36,938 --> 00:06:39,357 a good moral attitude. You grew up well. 119 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:42,652 This is the house where Ronnie grew up. 120 00:06:42,693 --> 00:06:44,237 After he became famous, the city decided 121 00:06:44,278 --> 00:06:46,155 that they were gonna name the street after him 122 00:06:46,197 --> 00:06:48,241 'cause it was on the corner of his house. 123 00:06:48,282 --> 00:06:49,826 So, this is the Dio way. 124 00:06:49,867 --> 00:06:51,911 This had been stolen a couple of times. 125 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:58,251 His immediate family, they were pretty straight-laced. 126 00:06:58,292 --> 00:07:00,253 His mother was, you know, a sweetheart, of course. 127 00:07:00,294 --> 00:07:01,796 You know, the moms were always easier on the kids 128 00:07:01,838 --> 00:07:03,464 than the father. 129 00:07:03,506 --> 00:07:05,425 My father was harsh with me. 130 00:07:05,466 --> 00:07:08,636 You know, these were the days when a good hiding was, 131 00:07:08,678 --> 00:07:10,555 you know, right around the corner. And boy, I... 132 00:07:10,596 --> 00:07:12,223 Believe me, I was always up for one of those. 133 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:13,891 I wasn't up for it, 134 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,601 but I always caused one of those, apparently. 135 00:07:15,643 --> 00:07:17,145 Everyone had the same ideas. 136 00:07:17,186 --> 00:07:18,479 They were good ethics, good morals, 137 00:07:18,521 --> 00:07:20,231 a lot of church involved. 138 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:22,358 Whether I believed in it or didn't, it gave you rules. 139 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,651 You know, Catholic, ya know? 140 00:07:23,693 --> 00:07:25,611 Ronnie was an altar boy. 141 00:07:25,653 --> 00:07:28,364 Ronnie loved classical music. 142 00:07:28,406 --> 00:07:31,242 His father insisted he practice trumpet 143 00:07:31,284 --> 00:07:34,745 3 hours every day, for years. 144 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:37,248 He was a voracious reader. 145 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:48,384 He was a smart kid in school. 146 00:07:48,426 --> 00:07:50,553 High grades, very intelligent, 147 00:07:50,595 --> 00:07:52,388 president of his class, actually. 148 00:07:52,430 --> 00:07:55,600 And he was a little bit crazy. 149 00:07:55,641 --> 00:07:57,560 One time we were riding in the car. 150 00:07:57,602 --> 00:07:59,312 There was a nun walking down the street, 151 00:07:59,353 --> 00:08:01,189 and Ronnie stuck his ass out the window 152 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:04,775 and he mooned her, so he mooned a nun. 153 00:08:04,817 --> 00:08:06,319 He was a bit of a rebel. 154 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,237 He had a gang called The Angels. 155 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:11,199 Stole a car here and there and got in some trouble. 156 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,992 It could have escalated, 157 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:15,161 but I think not in that family background. 158 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:17,246 I mean, it wasn't just his father. 159 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:20,041 There was his grandmother, and there are pictures of her. 160 00:08:20,082 --> 00:08:21,584 She doesn't look like the kind of lady 161 00:08:21,626 --> 00:08:24,462 anybody would want to cross. 162 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:27,423 I think for him, can you imagine in the '50s 163 00:08:27,465 --> 00:08:30,009 how conservative times were? 164 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:32,345 Like most musicians, 165 00:08:32,386 --> 00:08:35,389 he realized music was a route out of that. 166 00:08:35,431 --> 00:08:38,434 This was a road to good times. 167 00:08:38,476 --> 00:08:42,188 And what blows me away, as a fan, 168 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:44,690 when I discovered that Ronnie James Dio, 169 00:08:44,732 --> 00:08:46,943 best metal voice you ever heard, 170 00:08:46,984 --> 00:08:50,696 he was singing in the '50s before the Beatles. 171 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:53,449 How is that possible? Like, that's fascinating. 172 00:08:53,491 --> 00:08:55,535 Other than wine and weed. 173 00:09:04,418 --> 00:09:07,755 Everybody has their things. 174 00:09:07,797 --> 00:09:10,091 Some people like to go to football games. 175 00:09:10,132 --> 00:09:13,844 Some people like to bowl. I collect Ronnie James Dio. 176 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:26,899 I was a radio guy, 177 00:09:26,941 --> 00:09:30,236 so I came out of Syracuse radio in the early '60s. 178 00:09:30,278 --> 00:09:34,240 Ronnie first started in bands back in... around 1958, 179 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:38,244 playing trumpets and horns and bass at the time. 180 00:09:38,286 --> 00:09:40,413 It was earlier than the Beatles. 181 00:09:40,454 --> 00:09:42,999 So, it was Bill Haley. It was Elvis Presley. 182 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,667 It was all those rockers. 183 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:46,460 That's what the inspiration was. 184 00:09:46,502 --> 00:09:50,172 So, Ronnie was born Ronald James Padavona. 185 00:09:50,214 --> 00:09:52,216 But when he was in bands and stuff, 186 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:54,802 it was too long a name and not hip enough for him. 187 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:57,013 Ronnie got his name, "Dio," 188 00:09:57,054 --> 00:10:01,559 famously from a real life Mafia mob guy 189 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:03,769 called Johnny Dio. 190 00:10:03,811 --> 00:10:06,606 Ronnie was like, "This is evil, but it's cool." 191 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:08,941 And so he decided, "That's gonna be my name." 192 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:10,776 And that was it. 193 00:10:10,818 --> 00:10:12,695 I was the guy who didn't want to do anything 194 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:14,363 but play the music. I didn't want to sing. 195 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:15,698 And everyone tried, and everyone kind of 196 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:17,199 fell by the wayside, and they finally said, 197 00:10:17,241 --> 00:10:19,118 "Ok, it's your turn." 198 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,091 An angel is missing 199 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:37,970 From heaven tonight 200 00:10:38,012 --> 00:10:39,513 The training as a horn player 201 00:10:39,555 --> 00:10:41,432 was so absolutely perfect as a singer. 202 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:43,142 You play from the same place as you sing from, 203 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:44,935 from your diaphragm. 204 00:10:44,977 --> 00:10:49,357 In my mind, my voice was a trumpet. 205 00:10:49,398 --> 00:10:51,609 For how could she be 206 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:54,612 When that angel 207 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:58,616 Is here with me? 208 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:01,619 In the Red Caps, Ronnie was so clean 209 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:05,164 and could hit any note he was looking for. 210 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:07,500 You could tell this guy is professional already 211 00:11:07,541 --> 00:11:10,002 and he's only 18. 212 00:11:10,044 --> 00:11:13,923 Don't hold my hand 213 00:11:13,964 --> 00:11:16,842 Don't let me kiss you 214 00:11:16,884 --> 00:11:19,345 I'll be untrue 215 00:11:19,387 --> 00:11:23,099 Unfaithful to you, I'll never miss you 216 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:25,309 The Red Caps eventually became The Prophets 217 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:27,103 and through the years,The Prophets, 218 00:11:27,144 --> 00:11:29,522 they formed something special. 219 00:11:29,563 --> 00:11:32,692 He really had the passion to do the best he can 220 00:11:32,733 --> 00:11:34,860 with the abilities that he was God-given. 221 00:11:34,902 --> 00:11:36,654 Ronnie got the dream, 222 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:38,864 so we used to talk about that all the time. 223 00:11:38,906 --> 00:11:40,700 Ronnie was gonna be the lead singer, 224 00:11:40,741 --> 00:11:42,702 star of the show. 225 00:11:42,743 --> 00:11:44,912 And then I was going to be his lead guitar player. 226 00:11:44,954 --> 00:11:47,915 Nicky was gonna be the leader of any orchestration 227 00:11:47,957 --> 00:11:50,584 or the band. 228 00:11:50,626 --> 00:11:53,045 Nick Pantas was Ronnie's kind of 229 00:11:53,087 --> 00:11:55,214 musical soulmate at that point, 230 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:57,717 that he writes with, builds bands with, 231 00:11:57,758 --> 00:11:59,844 builds dreams with. 232 00:11:59,885 --> 00:12:02,304 Even from those very, very early days, 233 00:12:02,346 --> 00:12:06,392 you can tell his mission in life was to be a singer. 234 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:08,018 You can tell it. 235 00:12:10,938 --> 00:12:13,816 One of the problems that we really had back then... 236 00:12:13,858 --> 00:12:17,403 we could not find the genre 237 00:12:17,445 --> 00:12:19,739 that would fit Ronnie perfectly. 238 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:22,992 He was capable of singing anything, basically. 239 00:12:23,033 --> 00:12:24,535 He would be doing songs 240 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:26,871 by Engelbert Humperdinck, Tom Jones. 241 00:12:26,912 --> 00:12:29,081 Ronnie did a version of "The Way of Love" 242 00:12:29,123 --> 00:12:30,833 that Cher had a big hit on. 243 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:33,711 When you meet a boy 244 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:36,088 Before Cher recorded it. It's phenomenal. 245 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:42,094 When you meet a girl 246 00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:46,599 That you like a lot 247 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,434 I got in the band. 248 00:12:48,476 --> 00:12:51,896 I was just out of high school in 1965, '66. 249 00:12:51,937 --> 00:12:53,564 We had a manager at the time from Ithaca, 250 00:12:53,606 --> 00:12:55,274 and he was pushing Ronnie 251 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:57,067 into following that Tom Jones route, you know? 252 00:12:57,109 --> 00:13:01,447 Say you're mine again 253 00:13:01,489 --> 00:13:03,365 Careers go in different directions. 254 00:13:03,407 --> 00:13:04,617 In those days, it wasn't fashionable 255 00:13:04,658 --> 00:13:06,118 to be in rock 'n' roll in order 256 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,578 to want to pursue that as a career. 257 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:09,580 It really made no sense at all to do. 258 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:11,415 Well, I loved it so much 259 00:13:11,457 --> 00:13:12,833 that it was going to make sense for me to do. 260 00:13:12,875 --> 00:13:16,295 Oh, darling, say you're mine 261 00:13:16,337 --> 00:13:19,298 discordant chords 262 00:13:23,135 --> 00:13:28,140 We found a way to be discovered 263 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:29,975 All the series of pictures were taken 264 00:13:30,017 --> 00:13:32,311 in my parents' basement. 265 00:13:32,353 --> 00:13:35,981 And we took rolls of tinfoil, and we hung it up in the back. 266 00:13:36,023 --> 00:13:38,317 And that's when the Beatles first came out, 267 00:13:38,359 --> 00:13:40,820 so everybody started to grow their hair long. 268 00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:47,785 We decided to change the name to The Electric Elves. 269 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:48,911 I mean, we used to have a van that said 270 00:13:48,953 --> 00:13:50,663 "Electric Elves" on it. 271 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,123 They thought we were electrical contractors. 272 00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:56,293 "Uh, my house needs wiring. Call The Electric Elves over. 273 00:13:56,335 --> 00:13:58,295 They're small. They can get into the crawl space really easily." 274 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,257 You know and at that time, playing clubs, 275 00:14:01,298 --> 00:14:02,967 you're doing cover songs. 276 00:14:03,008 --> 00:14:05,052 When The Beatles album came out, we learned the whole album. 277 00:14:05,094 --> 00:14:07,012 You know, because Ronnie could sing the whole album. 278 00:14:07,054 --> 00:14:10,266 We were doing so well from a playing standpoint, 279 00:14:10,307 --> 00:14:11,517 you know, going from Maine to North Carolina to Detroit. 280 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,396 We wanted to be better musically 281 00:14:15,437 --> 00:14:17,356 and wanted to be something special. 282 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:23,320 spacey instrumental 283 00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:26,615 1968, I had been out of the band for a while 284 00:14:26,657 --> 00:14:28,617 and Ronnie was playing clubs, 285 00:14:28,659 --> 00:14:30,202 like they were always playing clubs, 286 00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:31,704 and they were called The Electric Elves. 287 00:14:31,745 --> 00:14:34,039 We played in, uh... 288 00:14:34,081 --> 00:14:37,167 I think it was Waterbury, Connecticut, for a week. 289 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:41,964 And, uh, we decided not to stay overnight the last night. 290 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:45,384 Our gear was in the back of the van. We all rode in the van, 291 00:14:45,426 --> 00:14:46,969 so we decided to drive home that night 292 00:14:47,011 --> 00:14:49,054 rather than stay another night. 293 00:14:49,096 --> 00:14:53,392 And a drunk driver ends up crossing the lane 294 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:54,894 and hits us head on. 295 00:14:59,106 --> 00:15:02,401 I woke up in a hospital bed with Ronnie 296 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:05,905 next to me in the other bed. 297 00:15:05,946 --> 00:15:08,657 We looked like zombies. Ronnie hit the windshield. 298 00:15:08,699 --> 00:15:10,701 His whole scalp was torn back. 299 00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:13,996 He had over a hundred stitches in his scalp. 300 00:15:14,038 --> 00:15:17,708 Nicky was driving, and it impacted the front, 301 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:19,418 pinned him in the steering wheel 302 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,795 and he actually bled to death. 303 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:29,887 Uh... it... it... it was really hard to believe, 304 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:33,891 to understand that that could happen. 305 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,226 This is such a catastrophe, 306 00:15:36,268 --> 00:15:38,354 not just for, obviously, for Nick and his family, 307 00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:42,107 but for Ronnie, it becomes a moment of, 308 00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:46,528 "Is this time to throw in the towel? Is this a sign? 309 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:49,281 Is this just not meant to be?" 310 00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:57,122 That's a slide... That's one slide of Ronnie's. 311 00:15:57,164 --> 00:16:00,084 You can see it's... it's after the accident 312 00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:02,211 when his hair was just starting to grow in. 313 00:16:02,252 --> 00:16:05,673 Ronnie, when he was a kid, succeeded really greatly 314 00:16:05,714 --> 00:16:07,508 as far as academics. 315 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:11,762 At some point he started college and he was taking pharmacy. 316 00:16:11,804 --> 00:16:15,099 So, after the accident, he could have chosen anything, 317 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,184 any avenue to go to. 318 00:16:17,226 --> 00:16:19,687 I remember the moment when I said, 319 00:16:19,728 --> 00:16:21,897 "We gonna put this thing back together?" And he said, 320 00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:23,691 "Yeah, we're gonna put this thing back together." 321 00:16:23,732 --> 00:16:26,318 In our minds, we were wanting to go 322 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,071 to Led Zeppelin, The Who. We idolized Deep Purple. 323 00:16:29,113 --> 00:16:31,949 Deep Purple, that's what was heaviest, you know? 324 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:34,493 "Good golly," said little Miss Molly 325 00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:36,537 When she was rockin' in the house of blue light 326 00:16:36,578 --> 00:16:39,748 And we just said, "Ok, that's what we wanna do." 327 00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:42,501 And the death of Nick Pantas, 328 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:44,628 that terrible crash 329 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:47,131 that could have easily dissuaded lesser men 330 00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:49,466 just to say, "You know what? I'm done," 331 00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:52,344 Ronnie decides, "No, I'm not done. 332 00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:55,514 In fact, I'm only just getting started." 333 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,606 Lord, help me 334 00:17:04,648 --> 00:17:09,111 Someone's sleeping in my bed at night 335 00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:10,946 He decides to build this 336 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:13,240 into something more contemporary 337 00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:16,118 with, you know, a shit ton of power. 338 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,457 There's just a power and a presence. 339 00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:23,834 It's remarkable when you think that a man 340 00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:26,003 of such small stature 341 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,463 had the biggest voice you're ever going to hear. 342 00:17:27,504 --> 00:17:30,299 Eventually, we became Elf. 343 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:32,301 We were very small and all kinds of hair and beards 344 00:17:32,342 --> 00:17:33,802 and the whole deal. We'd walk out on stage 345 00:17:33,844 --> 00:17:36,346 and actually, people started to chuckle. 346 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:38,932 But when we hit the first note, it was like, 347 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:41,810 jaws dropped, you know? 348 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:50,194 And suddenly, you've got not just a new band 349 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:52,863 but a new sound, a new attitude. 350 00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:58,035 And the beginnings of the Ronnie James Dio 351 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:01,955 that would become famous. 352 00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:08,879 We came up with those songs, 353 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:10,714 and that's what ended up getting us an audition 354 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,591 with, you know, Columbia. 355 00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:16,804 Elf were auditioning for the famous Clive Davis 356 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:19,598 who discovered everybody, just everybody. 357 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,018 And we were gonna audition for him. Wow. 358 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:26,105 At the time, Roger Glover and Ian Paice 359 00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:27,731 from Deep Purple, 360 00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,149 out of the blue, for some reason, 361 00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,276 they wanted to become producers. 362 00:18:31,318 --> 00:18:34,113 So, somehow they got involved in coming to this audition. 363 00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:35,739 We were told just at the last moment 364 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:37,366 that Roger and Ian were coming. 365 00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:39,243 Well, that put us in quite a turmoil 366 00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:41,537 because 2 of our heroes? Oh, my Lord. 367 00:18:41,578 --> 00:18:43,247 "Oh, my God. Like, you know, 2 people 368 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:44,957 from Deep Purple are gonna be here, you know?" 369 00:18:44,998 --> 00:18:47,376 It's like, and I idolized the band, you know? 370 00:18:47,417 --> 00:18:49,378 Some chairs set up, and Clive comes in 371 00:18:49,419 --> 00:18:51,630 and a couple people with him. 372 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:53,132 And then Roger and Ian come in. 373 00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:55,050 Well, well, well. 374 00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:56,552 There were probably, I don't know, 375 00:18:56,593 --> 00:18:59,596 15 or 20 suits in the room. 376 00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:01,181 You know, Clive Davis, et cetera, 377 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,683 all these people and white wine 378 00:19:02,724 --> 00:19:04,226 and you know, It's all, "Thank you very much." 379 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:07,771 And then these 4 midgets walked out. 380 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:11,859 And I go, "What's this? A circus act or something?" You know. 381 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:14,736 Standing there and playing in front of, like, 382 00:19:14,778 --> 00:19:17,114 you know, record executives, 383 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,449 and not to mention 2 guys in Deep Purple, 384 00:19:19,491 --> 00:19:22,327 and you have to try to sell yourself. 385 00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:24,663 It was, like, a big deal. 386 00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:26,498 You know, we played the songs, 387 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,208 and it was like, "Alright, that's enough. 388 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:30,127 We don't need to hear any more songs." 389 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:32,087 And everybody gets up. You know, we couldn't hear 390 00:19:32,129 --> 00:19:34,673 what they were talking about, and everybody leaves. 391 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:40,345 We don't know if they hated it or if they loved it. 392 00:19:40,387 --> 00:19:43,098 I mean, we were knocked out. Absolutely knocked out. 393 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,142 And we said, "Yeah, we'll do this. We'll do this." 394 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,770 And we flew down to Atlanta and recorded the album. 395 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,118 And then we got to go on tour with Deep Purple. 396 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,372 So we went from playing bars to playing arenas. 397 00:20:07,414 --> 00:20:10,000 We really felt like we made it at that time, you know? 398 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:11,877 Little did we know there's a long way to go 399 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,545 before you really make it. 400 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:16,548 I always had places that I wanted to get to. 401 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,467 Deep Purple were my favorite band. 402 00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:20,719 We must have done probably 8 full tours 403 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:24,389 with the band. So, Elf took on the world. 404 00:20:24,431 --> 00:20:26,141 You know, that was the beginning, certainly for me. 405 00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:27,559 Baby, you know 406 00:20:27,601 --> 00:20:30,879 I'm coming back for you 407 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:33,398 I'm coming back for you 408 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,234 So, over the course 409 00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:37,110 of the next couple of years touring, 410 00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:38,904 Ronnie was always around us. 411 00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:40,739 I fell in love with the sound of his voice, 412 00:20:40,781 --> 00:20:42,908 then I fell in love with his personality, 413 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:46,119 then I fell in love with him as a human being. 414 00:20:46,161 --> 00:20:48,538 He was great. He was funny, strong-willed. 415 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:50,916 And he believed in what he did. 416 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:54,044 Go for what you believe in, and that's what Ronnie was. 417 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:57,714 He was... he was a hard fist coming at you. 418 00:20:57,756 --> 00:21:00,300 You know, I just loved the guy. 419 00:21:00,342 --> 00:21:02,427 I just genuinely loved him. 420 00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:06,932 It was born into him from generations of eons 421 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:09,393 of lifetimes ago 422 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:12,854 to be...kind. 423 00:21:24,324 --> 00:21:27,286 Growing up a Deep Purple fan, 424 00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:30,372 it's just, like, they were the biggest 425 00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:34,251 and the fucking baddest of all the musicians 426 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:36,128 on the planet. 427 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:42,009 And... And fucking Blackmore. Oh, my fucking God. 428 00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:44,344 funk instrumental 429 00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:45,971 Ritchie Blackmore... 430 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:48,473 he's like the "Deep" in Deep Purple. 431 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:50,976 Uh, he's a mystery within a riddle. 432 00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:54,104 He's not the easiest man to get on with. 433 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:55,480 I barely saw Ritchie in Deep Purple 434 00:21:55,522 --> 00:21:57,482 when I was in the band. 435 00:21:57,524 --> 00:22:00,819 Ritchie was an isolator, and this is in the days 436 00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:02,904 where there was no separate dressing rooms. 437 00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:05,115 Well, he had his own dressing room. 438 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:07,576 He stayed at different hotels, basically. 439 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:11,246 And he never partook in any group endeavors. 440 00:22:11,288 --> 00:22:17,002 No after dinner parties, no... No. 441 00:22:19,546 --> 00:22:21,631 Blackmore left Purple 442 00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:24,509 because they were going in a more funk direction. 443 00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:32,017 I was going to leave Deep Purple 444 00:22:32,059 --> 00:22:34,603 no matter what because I didn't respect that type of music 445 00:22:34,644 --> 00:22:36,313 that we were getting into, 446 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,523 but luckily at the same time, I met Ronnie. 447 00:22:38,565 --> 00:22:40,776 Ritchie and I really had 448 00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:42,694 the same kind of musical feelings. 449 00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:44,863 We were engrossed in the classical kind of music, 450 00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:47,032 Bach especially. 451 00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:49,701 And we felt that there was a great place in music 452 00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:54,081 to kind of revive that mystical, magical aura 453 00:22:54,122 --> 00:22:57,709 and put it into today's kind of, uh, context. 454 00:22:57,751 --> 00:23:00,087 Ritchie left and went to start, you know, 455 00:23:00,128 --> 00:23:02,589 putting Rainbow together with the guys in Elf, 456 00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,091 you know, pretty much. 457 00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:05,884 By the time Rainbow gets going, 458 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:08,011 you got the Mount Rushmore of heavy rock... 459 00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:12,140 Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin. 460 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:15,310 All of them shared a common denominator 461 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:17,979 in the sense that they were all coming from the blues. 462 00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:21,316 Ronnie James Dio and Ritchie Blackmore wanted 463 00:23:21,358 --> 00:23:25,862 to explore this kind of neoclassical heavy rock music 464 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:28,907 that is something way beyond, 465 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:32,702 so Rainbow is taking this spaceship to a new place. 466 00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:42,504 As a teenager, I came from an abusive family, 467 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:44,423 physically and verbally abusive, 468 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:48,760 in and out of hospitals and stitches and, um, surgeries. 469 00:23:48,802 --> 00:23:51,930 So, music was extremely important to me 470 00:23:51,972 --> 00:23:53,974 because I had no one. 471 00:23:54,015 --> 00:23:58,937 I remember I was in a car. Deep Purple had just broken up. 472 00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:01,815 Disco was starting to make its scene. 473 00:24:01,857 --> 00:24:04,776 The world was upside down. 474 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,405 And all of a sudden, 475 00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,323 "Men on the Silver Mountain" comes on the radio. 476 00:24:10,365 --> 00:24:12,451 And I was like, "Yeah!" 477 00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:13,702 You know, you're just all fired up. 478 00:24:13,743 --> 00:24:16,079 Ritchie Blackmore was back. 479 00:24:16,121 --> 00:24:18,915 Then, I first heard Ronnie James Dio's voice, 480 00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:21,668 and I was like, "Who the hell is that?" 481 00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:24,379 And the man on the silver 482 00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:28,967 Mountain 483 00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:32,387 He was like a whole universe 484 00:24:32,429 --> 00:24:34,306 that was concealed within one man. 485 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:48,737 And so at one point, the world was upside down, 486 00:24:48,778 --> 00:24:50,655 and it turned it right side up again. 487 00:24:50,697 --> 00:24:53,158 This is not just another rock band. 488 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,660 It's gonna take what we used to call "heavy rock" 489 00:24:55,702 --> 00:25:00,499 into a whole vista that really hasn't existed before. 490 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:03,919 And it was all about this dynamic 491 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,671 between this incredible guitarist 492 00:25:06,713 --> 00:25:08,465 and this extraordinary singer 493 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,176 that almost everybody had never heard of. 494 00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:14,804 I remember going to Munich to do an album, 495 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,515 and Ritchie was in the same studio. 496 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:18,433 And he said, "Oh, I gotta play you a song." 497 00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:21,102 "Stargazer," full blast. 498 00:25:21,144 --> 00:25:23,396 High noon 499 00:25:23,438 --> 00:25:26,983 Oh, I'd sell my soul for water 500 00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:30,278 I was blown away. That was like a masterpiece. 501 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:36,201 Ronnie sang about mystical, magical stars 502 00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:38,161 and universe and dreams. 503 00:25:47,837 --> 00:25:50,048 That's what I do with my music. I'm a narrator. 504 00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:52,717 I give people avenues which they can go down. 505 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,553 Safe avenues. 506 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,434 I don't shove it down their throats. 507 00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:03,270 They're your dreams to try to attain. 508 00:26:03,311 --> 00:26:05,021 I don't tell them this is what they must do. 509 00:26:05,063 --> 00:26:07,023 So, a narrator is what I am. 510 00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:11,069 In the "Runaways" days, I would put on "Stargazer." 511 00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:13,905 All my dreams and all my hopes would come out. 512 00:26:13,947 --> 00:26:16,616 That gave me all the strength 513 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:18,118 and all the power I ever needed 514 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,245 in guitar playing and music 515 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,831 and just my everyday shit. 516 00:26:22,872 --> 00:26:26,042 Even though Ronnie could really sing blues 517 00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:27,877 if he wanted to, 518 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:32,924 lyrically, he was never the victim in his lyrics. 519 00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:35,927 It was more of a sage. 520 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:40,056 You can see, but you're blind 521 00:26:40,098 --> 00:26:43,184 Someone turn the sun around 522 00:26:43,226 --> 00:26:46,730 What you can see in your mind 523 00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:50,775 The gates of Babylon 524 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:53,445 And the things we wrote were so different. 525 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:57,073 That was the band, you know, I wanted to be in forever. 526 00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:59,618 That was my chance to do what I was born to do, 527 00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:01,745 which is to write classically oriented 528 00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:03,204 fantasy kind of music. 529 00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:05,915 Ronnie was now firmly embedded 530 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:09,878 into the gothic and medieval rock of Rainbow. 531 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,881 He'd found his niche. He'd found his new character. 532 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,262 Well, here we are... 533 00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:21,598 the famous Rainbow Bar and Grill. 534 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,683 Uh, land of fruits and nuts, 535 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,560 and, uh, they always used to say that. 536 00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:28,438 Moving and, uh, it was... 537 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,984 it still is the place to be on Sunset Strip. 538 00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:36,655 I came to Los Angeles in around '74. 539 00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:39,449 I got a job in a... in a diner, 540 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,284 and then I was doing a little bit of acting. 541 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,203 I didn't mean to do acting, actually. 542 00:27:43,244 --> 00:27:44,996 Uh, I went with a girlfriend of mine, 543 00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:47,499 and we went there, uh, as, um, 544 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:48,291 stand-in, what do you call it? Uh... 545 00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:49,918 Extras? 546 00:27:49,959 --> 00:27:51,503 Extras. Yeah, we went in as extras. 547 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,339 It was a movie called Death Race 2000. 548 00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:57,008 And this guy that I had to rub 549 00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:59,010 his shoulders and stuff, he was telling me that 550 00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:02,639 he had written a movie and it was gonna be a big time. 551 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,432 And I thought, "Yeah, yeah, right, whatever." 552 00:28:04,474 --> 00:28:06,976 It actually turned out to be Sylvester Stallone. 553 00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:08,937 You schmuck. 554 00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:12,232 And then, I met a-a girl at a party and she said, 555 00:28:12,273 --> 00:28:14,359 "Well, why don't you get a job at The Rainbow?" 556 00:28:14,401 --> 00:28:18,738 jazz piano instrumental 557 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,573 We had everyone in here... 558 00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:23,201 Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, The Who. 559 00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:25,495 Anyone you could possibly think of was in here. 560 00:28:28,998 --> 00:28:32,460 So this is the table where it all happened. 561 00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:35,130 This is where I met Ronnie, uh, with Ritchie, 562 00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:37,507 and he introduced me to Ronnie. 563 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,634 And they invited me to go to a party afterwards 564 00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,011 up at their house, and so I went up there. 565 00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:46,433 We talked, and, uh, followed me around a lot. 566 00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,727 I said, "He's too short for me." 567 00:28:48,768 --> 00:28:51,271 But then he talked to me more, 568 00:28:51,312 --> 00:28:54,149 and we talked on the phone, and Ronnie being Ronnie, 569 00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:57,652 he's a very personal person, he was so interesting 570 00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:01,406 and such a very wonderful person 571 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:04,200 who loved animals as I did. 572 00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:08,163 He love to talk about books, movies, uh, everything. 573 00:29:08,204 --> 00:29:10,123 I think I fell in love with his brain, actually, 574 00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:12,917 and the way he was, his graciousness. 575 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:18,923 You felt the same way 576 00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:22,594 And then he went on tour with Rainbow. 577 00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:24,888 And then he asked me to go on the road with him. 578 00:29:24,929 --> 00:29:27,849 I'd only known him for a few weeks, and I said, 579 00:29:27,891 --> 00:29:29,476 "No, I can't quit my job. 580 00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:31,936 "I'll come for a couple of days," 581 00:29:31,978 --> 00:29:33,563 which ended up being a couple of months, 582 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,523 which ended up being for the rest of my life. 583 00:29:40,153 --> 00:29:44,449 melancholy instrumental 584 00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:48,286 We were both young when we were experiencing the road. 585 00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:49,913 And it was fun for a while, 586 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:53,041 and then it got a little bit tense. 587 00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:55,210 Rainbow are enormous in Japan. 588 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,712 Rainbow are bigger in Japan than The Stones. 589 00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,715 Rainbow are huge in Britain and Europe. 590 00:30:00,757 --> 00:30:04,302 Rainbow are not huge in America. 591 00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:08,723 In America, Rainbow never got there 592 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,809 with Ronnie as the singer, 593 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:14,229 and I know that that bothered Blackmore tremendously. 594 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:16,648 And he was consumed 595 00:30:16,689 --> 00:30:19,776 with getting Rainbow on U.S. radio. 596 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,487 Long Live Rock 'n' Roll was the last Rainbow album. 597 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:24,405 They're working on the next one, early stages. 598 00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,492 Ritchie decided it was time to get a hit. 599 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,953 I was staying at Bruce's house one day. 600 00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:32,455 And he played me a song, "Since You've Been Gone." 601 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:36,000 Since you've been gone, since you've been gone 602 00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:39,796 I'm out of my head, can't take it 603 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,173 He said, "Well, Ritchie wants to do it." 604 00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:44,300 I said, "Get outta here. 605 00:30:44,342 --> 00:30:47,011 "After... after what he's done?" 606 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:48,471 You know, especially with Rainbow rising, 607 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,390 how could he want to do this? 608 00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:07,490 You know, Ronnie spent, you know, 609 00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,535 the first 10, 15 years of his career 610 00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:14,038 putting on a suit, looking for the hit song. 611 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,331 You know, this is something he'd left behind 612 00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:17,041 many years ago 613 00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:21,212 and believed that the unique selling point of Rainbow 614 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:25,008 had nothing to do with "Since You Been Gone, Baby." 615 00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:26,509 And Ronnie spoke up. 616 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,511 He stayed true to himself, 617 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:32,473 and I think it really pissed off a few people. 618 00:31:32,515 --> 00:31:34,392 It got very tense, 619 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,645 and so Ronnie was actually fired. 620 00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:41,941 Since you've been gone, since you've been gone 621 00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:45,695 I'm out of my head, can't take it 622 00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:48,448 That was the time 623 00:31:48,489 --> 00:31:51,200 where Rainbow did get airplay in America. 624 00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:54,621 It wasn't with Ronnie. 625 00:31:54,662 --> 00:31:58,541 For Ronnie on a personal level, it was a disaster. 626 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,127 He and Wendy were in a situation 627 00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:03,379 where the house they lived in, 628 00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:05,423 you know, was owned by the band. 629 00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:08,176 Uh, Ronnie didn't even see any royalties. 630 00:32:08,217 --> 00:32:10,929 This is a guy who co-wrote all the big songs. 631 00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:13,473 Ronnie didn't get any royalties from Rainbow 632 00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:15,934 until after he died. 633 00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:18,770 So they had no money. 634 00:32:18,811 --> 00:32:21,773 You know, Ronnie was a very, very proud, man. 635 00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:24,233 He didn't want to admit that he'd been hurt by this. 636 00:32:24,275 --> 00:32:28,112 He didn't want to admit that maybe he'd blown it. 637 00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:44,087 I was a young Sabbath fan. I remember watching 638 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,297 Don Kirshner's rock concerts, seeing them do, 639 00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:49,133 "Never Say Die" live without lip syncing. 640 00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:55,974 You could tell that Ozzy was sounding a little rough 641 00:32:56,015 --> 00:33:00,269 and kind of just doing that penguin clap, 642 00:33:00,311 --> 00:33:02,647 you know, just running around, just, 643 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:04,941 looks like a wind-up toy after a while. 644 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:07,860 Black Sabbath is pretty much yesterday's news 645 00:33:07,902 --> 00:33:09,946 in the late '70s. 646 00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:12,115 The original Black Sabbath 647 00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:13,825 is some of the greatest metal ever made. 648 00:33:13,866 --> 00:33:15,785 No one was disputing that. 649 00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:17,662 But at that point, ten years into the business, 650 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:20,206 coming off of a couple lackluster records, 651 00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:23,501 beat up from the road, it was a mess at that time. 652 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:28,172 Things weren't working out at the end of the '70s for us. 653 00:33:28,214 --> 00:33:31,009 I think it was probably a lot of different things. 654 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:33,177 Disarray. Maybe "disillusionment" 655 00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:35,179 might be a better word. 656 00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:37,473 We'd been in rock 'n' roll for years, man. 657 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,101 All of them were very badly riddled 658 00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:41,936 with drug problems. 659 00:33:41,978 --> 00:33:44,772 Ozzy was considered, like, a huge mess and can't sing, 660 00:33:44,814 --> 00:33:46,357 can't write, can't do this. 661 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,860 He was just a crazy dude from Birmingham, 662 00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:50,778 like a juvenile delinquent. 663 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:52,363 He was never a professional, 664 00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:53,781 and that's what was great about him. 665 00:33:53,823 --> 00:33:56,242 And Ozzy's a sweetheart. We all know that. 666 00:33:56,284 --> 00:33:59,495 But he... he was crazy in... in the '70s. 667 00:33:59,537 --> 00:34:01,247 I mean, one night at the Rainbow, 668 00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:04,000 he set himself on fire at a booth in the Rainbow. 669 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:07,170 Fire extinguisher came out. He could have died. 670 00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:08,963 He's laughing his ass off. 671 00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,382 And... And Oz, he came to such a place. 672 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,551 He needed to leave. 673 00:34:13,593 --> 00:34:18,222 Ozzy leaves, and everybody was just like... 674 00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:22,643 "Ok, so that's it, they're done. 675 00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:25,021 "Black Sabbath is just done." 676 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:34,238 So, by the end of the '70s, 677 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,741 Ronnie and Wendy take off for L.A. 678 00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:39,911 Ronnie would not go down the, you know, 679 00:34:39,952 --> 00:34:43,081 "Hey, baby, let's have a hit," route. 680 00:34:43,122 --> 00:34:45,833 He's already in his 30s. 681 00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:49,253 He's already been around the block a zillion times. 682 00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:51,422 He's got no career. 683 00:34:51,464 --> 00:34:53,925 I mean, you know, "What the fuck am I gonna do?" 684 00:34:53,966 --> 00:34:57,887 rock instrumental 685 00:34:57,929 --> 00:34:59,347 But the Rainbow seems to have been 686 00:34:59,388 --> 00:35:01,057 such a lucky place for him. 687 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:05,895 You know, he meets Wendy in the Rainbow. 688 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:08,689 And now who does he meet in the Rainbow one night? 689 00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:11,484 Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath. 690 00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:16,948 Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath, who has just sacked Ozzy. 691 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:26,624 At the Rainbow Bar and Grill, I met Tony. 692 00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:28,793 Saw him and I went to the rehearsal place. 693 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,254 I only went up there just to say, "Hello." 694 00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:33,131 He came over to the house 695 00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:37,802 and, um, I played him a bit of the stuff, 696 00:35:37,844 --> 00:35:39,637 some of the riffs I got. 697 00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,473 And, uh, he said, "Oh, let me have a go at that." 698 00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,559 Went off to the other room and wrote 699 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,561 the beginning and a verse to a song called, 700 00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:48,229 "Children the Sea." 701 00:35:48,271 --> 00:35:51,566 In the misty morning 702 00:35:51,607 --> 00:35:55,319 On the edge of time 703 00:35:55,361 --> 00:35:58,656 We lost the rising sun 704 00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:01,784 The fire inside 705 00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:03,995 He'd walk out and just sing. 706 00:36:04,036 --> 00:36:05,621 You know, this voice would come out. 707 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:08,541 I mean, he was just, you know, unbelievable. 708 00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:10,751 When he first got offered the job 709 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,628 in Black Sabbath, he was like, 710 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,630 "I don't know if I like this music or not." 711 00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:16,299 And I said, "We have $800 left in the bank. 712 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:17,842 You love this music." 713 00:36:22,096 --> 00:36:24,640 And so he... 714 00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:26,976 he joined the band, and he did love the music. 715 00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,437 This was going into a band that to me, 716 00:36:29,478 --> 00:36:31,314 had been the heavy metal band, 717 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:34,859 a band that didn't apologize for coming to town. 718 00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:36,903 It just stepped on buildings when it came to town. 719 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:39,739 And to be included in that band was very special to me. 720 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:43,284 Takin' over for Ozzy in Sabbath? 721 00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:46,662 Can you imagine the pressure? 722 00:36:46,704 --> 00:36:48,706 To replace a singer is... really a... 723 00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:50,708 It can go either way. 724 00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:53,211 And then putting in Ronnie, in a tough spot, really. 725 00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:55,046 You know, again, I'm a very positive person. 726 00:36:55,087 --> 00:36:56,547 I said to them, 727 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:58,049 "They're never gonna say anything bad about you. 728 00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:58,966 They're only gonna say something bad 729 00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,843 about the new guy who came in. 730 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,553 And my shoulders are big enough to take it. 731 00:37:02,595 --> 00:37:03,930 You know what we'll do? We're gonna write some great songs. 732 00:37:03,971 --> 00:37:05,806 Don't worry about it. I'll take care of it." 733 00:37:05,848 --> 00:37:08,142 At this point, I'm working for the biggest, uh, 734 00:37:08,184 --> 00:37:11,896 rock and heavy metal P.R. company in the U.K. 735 00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:15,983 Suddenly, it comes 'round, "Sabbath have sacked Ozzy, 736 00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:18,152 but they're gonna bring Ronnie James Dio in." 737 00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:19,820 And there was a lot of blowback. 738 00:37:19,862 --> 00:37:21,948 "Where's Ozzy? This guy can't be Ozzy." 739 00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:24,116 From the outside looking in, 740 00:37:24,158 --> 00:37:25,785 it doesn't sound promising. 741 00:37:25,826 --> 00:37:27,995 It does not sound promising. 742 00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:33,084 They had to rise above and create an album 743 00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:36,128 that was far above anything 744 00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:38,089 that they had done in the past. 745 00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:40,967 mystical instrumental 746 00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:46,222 You could think it's good, you could think it's bad 747 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:48,432 but you don't know until the audience, the fans, 748 00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:51,560 they're going to tell you if it's good or not. 749 00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:54,939 As a fan, you're established to the singer, 750 00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:56,440 the drummer, the guitar player, whoever... 751 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,276 that's the band. 752 00:37:58,317 --> 00:38:00,111 And if there's something that's different, 753 00:38:00,152 --> 00:38:02,280 what's going on, you know? 754 00:38:02,321 --> 00:38:04,949 Is it even gonna work? Is it even gonna connect? 755 00:38:04,991 --> 00:38:07,410 Now, of course, there's always gonna be a lot of, like, 756 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:10,288 die-hard Sabbath followers who are like, 757 00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:15,209 "No, there's only one singer of Black Sabbath." 758 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:19,380 And then, all of a sudden, here comes Ronnie James Dio. 759 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:27,471 I think it's a creation that happened many realms ago 760 00:38:27,513 --> 00:38:30,433 that Ronnie would be the singer in Sabbath. 761 00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:33,269 It's all been written in stone. 762 00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:36,522 He was supposed to be there. 763 00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:38,607 He was supposed to replace Ozzy. 764 00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:41,068 He was supposed to take that microphone. 765 00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:43,904 He was supposed to write "Heaven and Hell." 766 00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:58,794 When it actually starts to blast out through the speakers 767 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:02,923 and it's like, "Well, let's see what you got, dude." You know? 768 00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:10,473 Sing me a song 769 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:14,060 You're a singer 770 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:18,522 Do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil 771 00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:20,775 The devil is... 772 00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,027 And then when everybody had saw what Ronnie had got... 773 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:25,321 it's like, "Ok." 774 00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:29,033 So, it's on and on and on 775 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:32,661 It's heaven and hell 776 00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:35,289 There was just like, this is what I have 777 00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:39,168 always wanted to hear were those Black Sabbath riffs, 778 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,420 with Ronnie's voice. 779 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:45,383 It goes on and on and on 780 00:39:45,424 --> 00:39:49,345 Heaven and hell 781 00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:54,266 I can tell 782 00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:58,646 Everything about it was great. 783 00:39:58,687 --> 00:40:00,940 I mean, "Heaven and Hell" is probably to this day 784 00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:02,858 my favorite Sabbath record. 785 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,903 It's a masterpiece in... in a lot of... in a lot of ways. 786 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,656 And it's a very, very important record. 787 00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:12,201 One of the best albums ever. Period. 788 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,336 Ronnie was a big dreamer, 789 00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,172 but he wasn't afraid to tell you, 790 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:28,092 if you're gonna fall, you can't be frightened. 791 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,219 You've got to get up and do it again. 792 00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:31,887 I made the statement that was, 793 00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:33,931 that I've always wanted to make, 794 00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:35,766 which was, "The world is full of kings and queens 795 00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:37,309 who blind your eyes and steal your dreams. 796 00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:39,603 And that all means they're your dreams. 797 00:40:39,645 --> 00:40:41,105 If you have those dreams, 798 00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:42,398 don't let anyone rob you of those, 799 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,941 those wonderful ideas." 800 00:40:43,983 --> 00:40:45,609 That statement has been something 801 00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:47,820 that I've tried to live with in my life. 802 00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:03,002 This is Ronnie's very iconic white blouse. 803 00:41:03,043 --> 00:41:04,962 He wore this when he was... 804 00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:07,631 the first round of Black Sabbath in the '80s. 805 00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:09,633 He loved this shirt. He loved... 806 00:41:09,675 --> 00:41:12,136 always loved these sleeves, these medieval sleeves. 807 00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:15,973 Going into Sabbath with the sleeves 808 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,642 and the drama, 809 00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:23,898 he was able to captivate people with an amazing presence. 810 00:41:23,939 --> 00:41:25,566 Well, yeah, it did become more mystical. 811 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:27,401 And we built up the stage show, 812 00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:29,153 basically around the image of... 813 00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:33,824 uh, he had got this theatrical way about him. 814 00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:36,076 I was always a little bit intimidated by Ronnie 815 00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:37,828 because of not only his voice, 816 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:39,955 but everything else around him. 817 00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:42,333 He projected something, you know. 818 00:41:42,374 --> 00:41:44,668 "Oh, my God, there's Dio?" 819 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:47,046 But on those occasions that we did get a chance 820 00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,840 to sit and talk, he was just a very comforting, 821 00:41:49,882 --> 00:41:53,677 welcoming kind of a guy in every aspect. 822 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,138 Every time I was with him, we'd laugh. 823 00:41:56,180 --> 00:42:00,559 We would laugh our asses off. 824 00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:03,437 Clownish behavior, boyish, you know? 825 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:11,278 And that... that behavior was very rampant. 826 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,697 He was just Ronnie. He was just mellow. 827 00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:17,201 But when he sang, he became a character. 828 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:19,203 'Cause Dio, not Ronnie and Ronnie James, 829 00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:22,706 Dio was a huge character. 830 00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:35,052 Ozzy Osbourne, obviously, was there before me, 831 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,888 was throwing the peace sign around everywhere. 832 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:39,974 I felt something else was, you know, 833 00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:41,517 was needed to incorporate me 834 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,727 into my own thing with that band. 835 00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:45,980 You know, I worked with Dio in Sabbath 836 00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:47,398 as his publicist. 837 00:42:47,439 --> 00:42:49,275 And I'll never forget this. 838 00:42:49,316 --> 00:42:51,277 Ronnie said, "I thought about this thing, 839 00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:54,738 and I think it could be a bridge between Ozzy and me." 840 00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:57,241 And he said, "What do you think of this?" 841 00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:59,577 I said, "What's that?" 842 00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:03,455 He goes, "I'm thinking, it's like Ozzy, 843 00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:05,457 spirit of Ozzy is still here. 844 00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:09,086 This is still Black Sabbath, but it's me now." 845 00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:12,381 I went, "That's brilliant." 846 00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:14,592 It was iconic as soon as you saw it. 847 00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:17,219 Even if you didn't know what it meant, it was iconic. 848 00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:19,430 What's he doing? 849 00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:22,057 It became a trademark for him, you know, to do that. 850 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:24,602 And... And the fans, you know, attached to that. 851 00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:26,770 Now, in a situation which is not even involving metal, 852 00:43:26,812 --> 00:43:30,566 you see crowds, and they're like, "Ah." 853 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,901 I mean, even today, you go on Facebook, 854 00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:35,946 and there's all these kind of middle-aged women going, 855 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:38,240 When you see somebody do that, 856 00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:40,117 you know where it came from, you know, 857 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,785 who originated that. 858 00:43:41,827 --> 00:43:43,871 People think this means something 859 00:43:43,912 --> 00:43:46,081 other than what it really is. 860 00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:49,126 If you'd all join us, I'll tell you what it means. 861 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:50,919 Ronnie who'd always, 862 00:43:50,961 --> 00:43:52,630 he'd grown up in the Italian family, of course, 863 00:43:52,671 --> 00:43:54,423 would walk around with his grandmother. 864 00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:56,467 And his grandmother was very superstitious 865 00:43:56,508 --> 00:43:58,636 and she would walk around going like this, 866 00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:01,472 to ward off evil or give the evil eye 867 00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:04,224 or ward the evil eye off, which is called the malocchio. 868 00:44:04,266 --> 00:44:06,477 So, this, what we now call the devil horns, 869 00:44:06,518 --> 00:44:09,146 that is Ronnie James Dio, and it was out something 870 00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:12,566 his fierce-looking grandmother used to do. 871 00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:16,070 It means, "Long live rock 'n' roll." Put 'em up! 872 00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:22,159 And suddenly, by the end of every show, 873 00:44:22,201 --> 00:44:24,620 the whole audience was doing it back. 874 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:26,455 And again, it was another one of those moments, 875 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:28,916 I thought, "This is interesting shit here. 876 00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:31,168 You know, this is really interesting. 877 00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:35,673 He's gonna work this until it is just his band." 878 00:44:35,714 --> 00:44:39,343 And that's exactly what he did. 879 00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:43,514 So come with me, I'll give you the desire 880 00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:47,601 But first, you're gonna burn in fire 881 00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:51,021 The rest, as they say, is history. 882 00:44:51,063 --> 00:44:52,189 I mean, I'm not the only person who's ever used it, of course, 883 00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:53,691 but you know, I must say 884 00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:55,526 that I've been the one who's used it most 885 00:44:55,567 --> 00:44:57,486 and probably the most known for it now. 886 00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:00,155 It's only meant as a, you know, connection 887 00:45:00,197 --> 00:45:01,990 between the... the music that we play, 888 00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:04,326 which is hard and heavy and pretty damn evil. 889 00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:08,789 So, uh, that's what that's all about, anyway. 890 00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:12,626 The whole thing was difficult for me. 891 00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:15,295 And Ronnie knew that I was, um, 892 00:45:15,337 --> 00:45:18,674 feeling uncomfortable with certain things. 893 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:21,135 I really missed Oz. 894 00:45:21,176 --> 00:45:23,053 I felt like I'd lost a best friend. 895 00:45:23,095 --> 00:45:25,806 And so I was grieving there, 896 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:28,559 and my drinking had accelerated. 897 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,354 And that plays a huge part in my departure 898 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:34,022 from Black Sabbath. 899 00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:36,483 But Ronnie was supportive towards me 900 00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:39,903 as a... as a person throughout. 901 00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:43,657 So, that's how I first met Ronnie, 902 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,409 and we hit it off right away. 903 00:45:45,451 --> 00:45:47,661 He's from upstate New York... Cortland. 904 00:45:47,703 --> 00:45:49,246 And I'm from Brooklyn, New York. 905 00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:51,749 And, uh, Tony and Geezer... 906 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:53,917 I couldn't understand them very well. 907 00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:55,919 I was pretty young, 908 00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:57,421 and they were kind of scary-looking 909 00:45:57,463 --> 00:46:02,259 with the mustaches and, you know, "These are the guys." 910 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:03,927 And they talk to me and I go, 911 00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:06,096 "Ronnie, what did they say?" 912 00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:08,307 I'd keep asking Ronnie, 913 00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:12,519 "What'd he say? What does that mean? "Blimey"?" 914 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,358 So Sabbath follows Heaven and Hell 915 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,402 with Mob Rules. 916 00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:22,821 Mob Rules is an unbelievable record. 917 00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:25,908 "Sign of the Southern Cross." Look at my arms. 918 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:29,578 Just saying the name of the song does this to me. 919 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:31,955 It's the sign of the Southern cross 920 00:46:35,292 --> 00:46:39,880 It's the sign of the Southern cross 921 00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:41,757 Alright! 922 00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,400 We finished Mob Rules, 923 00:47:00,442 --> 00:47:03,570 the tour was fantastic, so everything's going great. 924 00:47:03,612 --> 00:47:07,574 Then, I don't know what happened, 925 00:47:07,616 --> 00:47:10,869 but it's business between those guys, three of 'em. 926 00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:13,622 A lot of times success breeds problems, 927 00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:15,749 and that happened. 928 00:47:15,791 --> 00:47:17,209 I felt that that really did happen, 929 00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:18,961 that, uh, all of the bad things 930 00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:24,758 that... that could be used were used, you know, 931 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,388 from drug abuse to, um, mental abuse. 932 00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:31,640 I'm not sure what happened. 933 00:47:31,682 --> 00:47:35,394 It was, uh... I mean, we were all, uh, doing 934 00:47:35,435 --> 00:47:38,689 quite a bit of nose powder at the time. 935 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:41,984 This is the era of cocaine. Everybody in the music business 936 00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:45,904 is doing too much cocaine, but not at all, Ronnie Dio. 937 00:47:45,946 --> 00:47:51,201 That was... It was never... never his thing, and they clashed. 938 00:48:02,421 --> 00:48:04,089 You know, sorry. 939 00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:26,528 It... It got difficult for him behind the scenes. 940 00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:29,531 Egos getting involved. 941 00:48:29,573 --> 00:48:32,034 We recorded the Live Evil album, 942 00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:35,704 and the mixing of that record became a problem. 943 00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,414 When we're doing the Live album, 944 00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:41,668 he did get sort of... upset about things. 945 00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:43,545 Ronnie could be fierce, very fierce. 946 00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:47,341 He cared about every single detail. 947 00:48:47,382 --> 00:48:49,217 I've heard a lot of rumors, you know, 948 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:50,385 that I'm a control freak and you know, 949 00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:53,096 that, of course, led to, uh, 950 00:48:53,138 --> 00:48:54,932 "I think we should let Tony mix this album." 951 00:48:54,973 --> 00:48:56,725 In other words, 952 00:48:56,767 --> 00:48:58,602 "Your services are not required anymore." 953 00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:00,354 Dio joined the band, 954 00:49:00,395 --> 00:49:02,606 and he turned it into something incredible. 955 00:49:02,648 --> 00:49:04,650 But don't forget, Tony's still thinking, 956 00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:07,736 "Yeah, but I built this band for ten years 957 00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:11,114 before you came along and I offered you the gig." 958 00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:13,951 Another gram of coke, and it gets even worse than that. 959 00:49:13,992 --> 00:49:17,996 Two more grams and, "I don't even know who the fuck you are. 960 00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:20,040 Why don't you fuck off and back where you came from?" 961 00:49:20,082 --> 00:49:23,168 It just got to the point 962 00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:26,171 where Ronnie wasn't happy anymore. 963 00:49:26,213 --> 00:49:28,256 It was his choice to leavem and he left. 964 00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:34,221 Lonely is the word 965 00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:36,765 He had been through Rainbow, 966 00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,644 and even when he found the sweet smell of success, 967 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:42,896 it turned sour so quick. 968 00:49:42,938 --> 00:49:45,649 And then he does it again with Sabbath, 969 00:49:45,691 --> 00:49:48,694 and it turned sour so quick. 970 00:50:02,249 --> 00:50:04,835 You know, it was a very traumatic time for me. 971 00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:06,628 You don't go from being, you know, 972 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:08,171 one of the biggest bands in the world 973 00:50:08,213 --> 00:50:11,091 to not having a job anymore, and what do you do? 974 00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:12,676 To me, it's always what comes next 975 00:50:12,718 --> 00:50:14,136 and what your ideas are, 976 00:50:14,177 --> 00:50:16,263 how many chances you want to take. 977 00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:18,682 I had no one, you know? So I thought, 978 00:50:18,724 --> 00:50:20,642 "Well, better get off your ass and go out 979 00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:22,477 and start writing songs on your own." 980 00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:27,315 I had a garage in the back, and off the side of the garage 981 00:50:27,357 --> 00:50:30,318 was this tiny little shed kind of thing. 982 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,696 And so I went in there and went to Radio Shack 983 00:50:32,738 --> 00:50:35,365 and put all these little boxes and plugged things 984 00:50:35,407 --> 00:50:37,409 into my little reel-to-reel tape recorder, 985 00:50:37,451 --> 00:50:41,079 and that sounded so terrible but you know, I loved it. 986 00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:43,415 I woke up and I went out in that horrible little place 987 00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:45,709 that I set up as a little living room. 988 00:50:45,751 --> 00:50:47,878 I can do this. 989 00:50:47,919 --> 00:50:50,881 And so for me, it was like a real genesis. 990 00:51:03,727 --> 00:51:06,563 heavy rock music 991 00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:08,732 I was a wife then. I wasn't a manager. 992 00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:11,318 And then he said, "Ok, so now you're managing me." 993 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:14,488 Oh, this is like, wait a minute. Um... 994 00:51:14,529 --> 00:51:16,865 I manage your affairs, 995 00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:19,576 but I don't know about managing a band, 996 00:51:19,618 --> 00:51:22,829 but I figured if he's got confidence in me, 997 00:51:22,871 --> 00:51:24,706 then I'll do the best I can. 998 00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,583 In fact, I think it was Ritchie who said, 999 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,835 "You know, she just wants to make him a star." 1000 00:51:28,877 --> 00:51:32,756 Yeah, I did. Yeah, that was my goal. 1001 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,551 One night, Ronnie goes, 1002 00:51:36,593 --> 00:51:38,428 "Look, I'm gonna put my own band together. 1003 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:41,389 "You want to join me?" I went, "Wow. Yeah." 1004 00:51:43,308 --> 00:51:44,768 When we put it together, it was just me and him. 1005 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,813 He's playing bass. We played "Holy Diver." 1006 00:51:50,148 --> 00:51:52,734 Ronnie had written a bunch of material, 1007 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,947 and they begin the search for the hotshot guitar player 1008 00:51:56,988 --> 00:51:58,573 which everybody had to have at that time. 1009 00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:01,618 So we went to London. 1010 00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:03,662 Vinny and I went, going around to clubs. 1011 00:52:03,703 --> 00:52:05,914 Here's a band playing. Let's go see them. 1012 00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:08,500 We went to all these different clubs. 1013 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:09,960 And I knew the kind of player I wanted. 1014 00:52:10,001 --> 00:52:11,461 I didn't like the style of playing 1015 00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:13,088 that American guitar players were using at the time. 1016 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,006 They all wanted to be as fast as Eddie Van Halen. 1017 00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:16,675 I mean, after having played with Tony and with Ritchie, 1018 00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:17,968 I wanted someone who could be fast, 1019 00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:20,137 but had to have romance in his soul. 1020 00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,763 I said, "You know what? 1021 00:52:21,805 --> 00:52:23,640 "I'm gonna give Jimmy a call, Jimmy Bain." 1022 00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,225 Because of course, Jimmy had played with me in Rainbow. 1023 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:26,143 And I thought, who better to know 1024 00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:27,811 guitar players than Jimmy?" 1025 00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:30,313 So the call was only to ask him if he knew guitar players. 1026 00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:33,066 Jimmy just assumed that he was gonna be the bass player. 1027 00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:34,609 So, he was. 1028 00:52:34,651 --> 00:52:38,572 Jimmy called this guitar player's house 1029 00:52:38,613 --> 00:52:41,324 at two in the morning, a young shredder from Ireland, 1030 00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:42,993 this guy, Vivian Campbell. 1031 00:52:43,034 --> 00:52:44,828 And the thing that sold Ronnie, 1032 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:47,164 we were jammin', and then Viv was all out of things 1033 00:52:47,205 --> 00:52:49,833 to play so he played, like, a Chuck Berry thing. 1034 00:52:52,043 --> 00:52:54,504 Just in this little section. That was it. 1035 00:52:54,546 --> 00:52:57,549 The missing ingredient was Vivian Campbell, 1036 00:52:57,591 --> 00:52:59,384 the guitar hero. 1037 00:52:59,426 --> 00:53:01,678 So, now we've become a family in a band, Dio. 1038 00:53:09,895 --> 00:53:15,817 These are tapes that I found that are, uh... 1039 00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:17,611 from the beginning. 1040 00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:20,614 You know, I haven't heard this stuff. 1041 00:53:20,655 --> 00:53:22,407 "Jam." 1042 00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:26,119 Let's see what's on here. 1043 00:53:26,161 --> 00:53:29,206 1, 2, 1, 2, 3... 1044 00:53:33,335 --> 00:53:36,004 Jam! 1045 00:53:36,046 --> 00:53:37,380 So, we needed a place to rehearse, 1046 00:53:37,422 --> 00:53:39,883 so Ronnie got this place called "Sound City." 1047 00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:42,719 It was like every night at seven o'clock 1048 00:53:42,761 --> 00:53:44,721 going to the boys club. They let us do anything there. 1049 00:53:44,763 --> 00:53:46,556 They had candy machines. 1050 00:53:46,598 --> 00:53:48,391 We'd go in... "You want some candy?" 1051 00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:51,228 "Yeah." Boom-boom-boom till all the candy fell out. 1052 00:53:51,269 --> 00:53:53,313 You know, pinball games. 1053 00:53:53,355 --> 00:53:55,899 We got to make little ramps so you never lost a ball. 1054 00:53:55,941 --> 00:53:58,568 Have some drinks and smoked some pot. 1055 00:53:58,610 --> 00:54:01,738 And we were playing. Life was fantastic. 1056 00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:08,954 Straight through the heart 1057 00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:12,249 So, he's singing that in the room. 1058 00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:15,085 You go, "Holy shit." 1059 00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:17,796 What was the feeling like with the band back then? 1060 00:54:17,837 --> 00:54:19,506 Oh, it was great. 1061 00:54:19,547 --> 00:54:21,049 It was such a wonderful family atmosphere, 1062 00:54:21,091 --> 00:54:22,676 just a magical situation 1063 00:54:22,717 --> 00:54:24,010 where everybody loved being in that room, 1064 00:54:24,052 --> 00:54:26,930 playing, and we experimented. 1065 00:54:29,975 --> 00:54:32,686 So this one's a version of "Rainbow in the Dark." 1066 00:54:32,727 --> 00:54:34,688 There's no keyboard part in it. 1067 00:54:34,729 --> 00:54:36,731 Ronnie's still testing the waters 1068 00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,609 with where the vocals should go. 1069 00:54:39,651 --> 00:54:42,862 When there's lightning 1070 00:54:42,904 --> 00:54:45,699 It always breaks me down 1071 00:54:45,740 --> 00:54:47,117 We had "Rainbow in the Dark." 1072 00:54:47,158 --> 00:54:48,868 We're playing it back. 1073 00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:51,621 And Jimmy's got a cigarette in his mouth 1074 00:54:51,663 --> 00:54:53,873 with a big ash ready to fall 1075 00:54:53,915 --> 00:54:55,959 and a Jim Beam and Coke. 1076 00:54:56,001 --> 00:54:57,460 And he goes over to this little shitty keyboard 1077 00:54:57,502 --> 00:54:59,087 of Ronnie's and he goes, 1078 00:55:02,007 --> 00:55:05,760 And he wrote that part without the ash fallin'. 1079 00:55:05,802 --> 00:55:07,304 What? That's killer, dude. 1080 00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:14,394 Um, "Rainbow in the Dark." 1081 00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:16,730 uh, it's a song that I really disliked. 1082 00:55:16,771 --> 00:55:18,773 And when it was finished, 1083 00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:20,942 I announced to everyone that I was going 1084 00:55:20,984 --> 00:55:23,653 to take a razor blade and just cut the tape up. 1085 00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:25,155 And so I went for the razor blade. 1086 00:55:25,196 --> 00:55:27,324 And they all went, "No, no. Don't, don't." 1087 00:55:27,365 --> 00:55:29,075 And I didn't do that, 1088 00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:30,910 and I thanked them over and over and over. 1089 00:55:30,952 --> 00:55:33,788 And so, you know, kudos to them forever and ever. 1090 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:36,916 We were just having time of our life, 1091 00:55:36,958 --> 00:55:39,169 and the roadies used to go, 1092 00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:43,173 "This is going platinum, dude." Nah, never. 1093 00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:48,928 At that time, you had vinyl records 1094 00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:52,140 so on the first um, "Holy Diver," 1095 00:55:52,182 --> 00:55:54,017 we both wanted to push the edges, 1096 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,353 and the record company were not that happy about it, 1097 00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:58,438 but we've got this idea. 1098 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,398 We know what we want. 1099 00:56:02,525 --> 00:56:05,987 In the '80s, I was working, uh, with Ronnie and Wendy 1100 00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:07,697 on pictures and just in general, 1101 00:56:07,739 --> 00:56:10,950 doing stuff that they wanted me to do and everything. 1102 00:56:10,992 --> 00:56:14,454 I get a phone call from this guy named Gene Hunter. 1103 00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:17,290 He says, "Wendy gave me your phone number. 1104 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:20,627 And do you know of a good cove to go to?" 1105 00:56:20,668 --> 00:56:22,253 I said, "Cove?" 1106 00:56:25,423 --> 00:56:29,177 We ended up down at a place called Paradise Cove. 1107 00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:32,263 So we get down there, 1108 00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:34,808 and he's got this wet suit 'cause it's really cold. 1109 00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:39,062 And on the top is a priest outfit, 1110 00:56:39,104 --> 00:56:42,315 and he's got the shitload of chains, a lot of chains. 1111 00:56:42,357 --> 00:56:46,403 I'm going, "What's he doin'?" 1112 00:56:46,444 --> 00:56:49,572 So, he found a spot, 1113 00:56:49,614 --> 00:56:51,991 and he's trying to drag these chains 1114 00:56:52,033 --> 00:56:54,077 into this middle of this little cove. 1115 00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,913 It looked like he was standing on a slippery rock 1116 00:56:56,955 --> 00:56:59,999 or something, but he kept bobbing up and down. 1117 00:57:00,041 --> 00:57:02,252 I'm not taking pictures. 1118 00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:03,962 I'm just... He said, "Take the fucking picture. 1119 00:57:04,003 --> 00:57:05,964 Take pictures!" 1120 00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:07,632 And he's bobbing and going up and down. 1121 00:57:07,674 --> 00:57:11,678 So, I'm taking, and snap, snap, snap. 1122 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,263 "Are you alright? Are you coming back up? 1123 00:57:13,304 --> 00:57:14,806 Oh, crap. Are you..." 1124 00:57:14,848 --> 00:57:17,392 "Take the pic..." So he's... Glug-glug. 1125 00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:20,186 I don't know if I took more than a roll and a half 1126 00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:22,897 before it's like, this is not good. 1127 00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:24,691 This is now bad 1128 00:57:24,732 --> 00:57:27,277 because it's like he's trying to breathe. 1129 00:57:27,318 --> 00:57:28,945 And he's trying to throw me the chain 1130 00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,739 to bring him in, but he can't lift it. 1131 00:57:31,781 --> 00:57:35,452 So I'm slipping. He's drowning or falling 1132 00:57:35,493 --> 00:57:37,328 and going under again, and it's like... 1133 00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:41,416 So, somehow I yank him. He pulls, and he gets up. 1134 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:43,751 He... He's like, half-drowned. 1135 00:57:48,882 --> 00:57:51,968 I got the pictures developed, and I turned them over to him, 1136 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:55,472 and he said, "I'm working on the cover 1137 00:57:55,513 --> 00:57:58,266 for this 'Holy Diver' record." 1138 00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:03,396 So after the record came out, I'm like, 1139 00:58:03,438 --> 00:58:05,982 "That's what we were doing." 1140 00:58:06,024 --> 00:58:09,152 That was him. He was literally fighting the waves. 1141 00:58:09,194 --> 00:58:13,072 And I was like, "This is so beyond awesome." 1142 00:58:15,283 --> 00:58:17,285 So Ronnie now, he's been the singer 1143 00:58:17,327 --> 00:58:21,748 of two of the biggest heavy metal bands in history. 1144 00:58:21,789 --> 00:58:25,418 Now, they say three times a charm, but not in music. 1145 00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:26,794 You know? This doesn't happen, man. 1146 00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:29,506 But this was Dio. 1147 00:58:29,547 --> 00:58:32,300 He's determined that either he goes down in flames 1148 00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:36,095 or he finds glory. 1149 00:58:36,137 --> 00:58:38,765 Holy Diver 1150 00:58:38,806 --> 00:58:42,143 You've been down too long in the midnight sea 1151 00:58:42,185 --> 00:58:44,354 Ronnie and Wendy have got enough money 1152 00:58:44,395 --> 00:58:46,564 to make this album, put together a tour, 1153 00:58:46,606 --> 00:58:48,566 pay for it themselves. 1154 00:58:48,608 --> 00:58:51,361 They bet the farm on it. They really did. 1155 00:58:51,402 --> 00:58:54,405 Huge risk. Uh, we didn't know what was going to happen. 1156 00:58:54,447 --> 00:58:55,698 We actually mortgaged our house 1157 00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:57,659 to take the first tour out. 1158 00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:02,330 He had to start the whole circuit of playing anywhere. 1159 00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:06,042 The first show was Antioch, California. It was a barn. 1160 00:59:06,084 --> 00:59:08,169 He played Bronco Bowl in Dallas, 1161 00:59:08,211 --> 00:59:09,837 which is a bowling alley. 1162 00:59:09,879 --> 00:59:11,589 So we'd like to do a song for you 1163 00:59:11,631 --> 00:59:14,801 called "Rainbow in the Dark." Let's go! 1164 00:59:14,842 --> 00:59:17,220 It was just crazy. You could feel it, the excitement. 1165 00:59:19,097 --> 00:59:22,517 The radio stations here was playing the shit out of that 1166 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,895 first record, and you just heard it every 10 minutes. 1167 00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:28,147 When there's lightning 1168 00:59:28,189 --> 00:59:33,069 You know it always brings me down 1169 00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:36,406 We did Santa Monica Civic, sold out in, 1170 00:59:36,447 --> 00:59:39,200 I think, in an hour, and then they did an in-store 1171 00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:41,035 after that where they smashed through the window, 1172 00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:43,663 there was so many fans. 1173 00:59:43,705 --> 00:59:46,374 I think, because of the introduction of a new band 1174 00:59:46,416 --> 00:59:48,585 just under Ronnie's name 1175 00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:51,671 with a new, young hotshot guitar player... 1176 00:59:54,757 --> 00:59:58,636 Dio, the band, it was an introduction for him 1177 00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:01,764 to a whole new world, a whole new start for him, 1178 01:00:01,806 --> 01:00:04,392 this rising scene, at the time, of heavy metal. 1179 01:00:19,115 --> 01:00:21,284 This is where we'd always sit, 1180 01:00:21,326 --> 01:00:23,286 and there's pictures of Ronnie and Rainbow there. 1181 01:00:23,328 --> 01:00:25,038 Oh, how young we were. 1182 01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,457 So young. Babyface. They're all babyfaces. 1183 01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:36,591 Soft and warm 1184 01:00:36,633 --> 01:00:38,051 Oh. 1185 01:00:38,092 --> 01:00:40,970 She'll touch my face 1186 01:00:41,012 --> 01:00:43,097 A bed of straw 1187 01:00:43,139 --> 01:00:45,016 There were some of these songs that I think 1188 01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:47,644 reflect my own trauma at the time as well. 1189 01:00:47,685 --> 01:00:49,479 I mean, you know, I had some personal things 1190 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,690 that were going on that bothered me quite a bit. 1191 01:00:52,732 --> 01:00:54,817 Yeah, in the beginning, 1192 01:00:54,859 --> 01:00:57,945 it was, like, a normal relationship. 1193 01:00:57,987 --> 01:01:00,156 Everything was hunky dory, you know. 1194 01:01:00,198 --> 01:01:03,534 And then, things changed between Wendy and Ronnie, 1195 01:01:03,576 --> 01:01:05,745 you know? 1196 01:01:05,787 --> 01:01:07,163 You know, obviously it's very hard being married 1197 01:01:07,205 --> 01:01:08,956 to a musician for a start, 1198 01:01:08,998 --> 01:01:11,626 and managing him, as well, was very hard. 1199 01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:14,003 Ronnie was a wonderful, sweet, loving, 1200 01:01:14,045 --> 01:01:16,839 giving person, but he was a perfectionist. 1201 01:01:16,881 --> 01:01:19,967 He had dreams, and he was gonna fulfill them. 1202 01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:21,511 And if you were not to his standard, 1203 01:01:21,552 --> 01:01:23,680 you were going to get it. 1204 01:01:23,721 --> 01:01:28,017 He would give it to his crew, his band, to me. 1205 01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:31,854 So, we had a lot of fights, a lot of, um... 1206 01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:33,856 I'll leave for a while, come back for a while, 1207 01:01:33,898 --> 01:01:37,944 back and forth and back and forth during our relationship. 1208 01:01:37,985 --> 01:01:40,321 You know, their relationship was unique. Let's face it. 1209 01:01:40,363 --> 01:01:42,156 It wasn't traditional by any means. 1210 01:01:42,198 --> 01:01:44,450 It wasn't just an artist-manager relationship, 1211 01:01:44,492 --> 01:01:46,661 and it wasn't just a husband and wife relationship. 1212 01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,330 It was a lot of very complex things. 1213 01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:51,582 Any relationship has ups and downs, 1214 01:01:51,624 --> 01:01:53,751 and we had many ups and downs, 1215 01:01:53,793 --> 01:01:55,920 but we were always a team. 1216 01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:57,588 I had his back, he had my back, 1217 01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:00,383 so we were gonna fight to the end together. 1218 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:08,057 In the early '80s, 1219 01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:10,393 Los Angeles was just the most exciting place on Earth. 1220 01:02:13,271 --> 01:02:16,399 The early '80s were badass. They were badass. 1221 01:02:16,441 --> 01:02:19,652 It was magic. All of a sudden, the Strip came alive. 1222 01:02:19,694 --> 01:02:21,195 Rock bands everywhere, and there were parties 1223 01:02:21,237 --> 01:02:23,573 every night, but everybody was into music. 1224 01:02:23,614 --> 01:02:26,576 Everybody was also kind of into recreational things 1225 01:02:26,617 --> 01:02:28,411 that perhaps weren't as healthy for you. 1226 01:02:28,453 --> 01:02:30,413 Most of all, there was just all this great rock music 1227 01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:32,373 and all these great bands. 1228 01:02:32,415 --> 01:02:34,333 And my distinct memory is Ronnie kind of being 1229 01:02:34,375 --> 01:02:36,252 in the center of all that. 1230 01:02:36,294 --> 01:02:38,755 You know, he fit in in a different way. 1231 01:02:38,796 --> 01:02:40,715 Ronnie wasn't a guy that was like, 1232 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,592 "Hey, let's go out and chase chicks," you know? 1233 01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,596 Always the conversation seemed to go to the same thing... music. 1234 01:02:46,637 --> 01:02:49,265 I think he acted more like a role model. 1235 01:02:49,307 --> 01:02:51,726 There was this whole undercurrent of metal bands 1236 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,061 around L.A. that looked up to him, 1237 01:02:54,103 --> 01:02:55,772 and he was aware of that, 1238 01:02:55,813 --> 01:02:57,482 and he was very nurturing to everybody. 1239 01:02:57,523 --> 01:02:58,941 "Are you doing your best? 1240 01:02:58,983 --> 01:03:00,234 Are you doing the greatest thing 1241 01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:02,779 you could possibly be doing?" 1242 01:03:02,820 --> 01:03:05,948 Globally, metal was thriving, 1243 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:09,368 was getting on the radio, it was selling. 1244 01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:12,580 And it's getting introduced to a lot of people 1245 01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:15,541 on what was a new thing at the time called MTV. 1246 01:03:15,583 --> 01:03:19,086 The advantages of the MTV video explosion, 1247 01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:20,671 you can't understate it, really, 1248 01:03:20,713 --> 01:03:22,381 'cause it... it had a lot of value. 1249 01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:25,343 When I was in Quiet Riot, "Cum On Feel the Noise" 1250 01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:27,804 was on every half-hour. It's timing. 1251 01:03:27,845 --> 01:03:30,473 Ronnie had just put together the Dio band, 1252 01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:34,310 and all of a sudden he's getting the MTV exposure. 1253 01:03:34,352 --> 01:03:35,895 "Rainbow in the Dark" became the one that 1254 01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:37,313 MTV played all the time. 1255 01:03:37,355 --> 01:03:38,773 Ronnie loved that one 1256 01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:40,983 because it made him look really tall. 1257 01:03:41,025 --> 01:03:43,611 Him in the white boots on the roof walking around, 1258 01:03:43,653 --> 01:03:45,446 I was like, "I want white boots like that." 1259 01:03:45,488 --> 01:03:47,490 Record companies would dump all this money 1260 01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:50,409 into the music videos. 1261 01:03:50,451 --> 01:03:53,996 I mean, now if you had to look back, you could probably 1262 01:03:54,038 --> 01:03:55,581 do something way better with your cellphone. 1263 01:03:55,623 --> 01:04:00,169 It's true. 1264 01:04:00,211 --> 01:04:03,798 So, he was at the forefront of that, but he... he looked mean. 1265 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,216 You know, he looked tough. 1266 01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:07,927 He was one of the very few artists 1267 01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:10,888 that actually had that metal image going. 1268 01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:13,224 You know, look at Dokken, "Breaking the Chains," 1269 01:04:13,266 --> 01:04:16,060 They got me chained down in a kimono and I'm like, 1270 01:04:16,102 --> 01:04:19,230 "Oh boy." And then you cut to Dio... 1271 01:04:19,272 --> 01:04:22,358 That was a totally different vibe. 1272 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,443 Ronnie was pretty much all about just going out there 1273 01:04:24,485 --> 01:04:28,197 and being as metal as you could ever be. 1274 01:04:37,707 --> 01:04:40,459 I got this mysterious phone call from these producers 1275 01:04:40,501 --> 01:04:42,712 that wanted me to come over to Warner Bros. 1276 01:04:42,753 --> 01:04:45,715 They told me that they had had great success 1277 01:04:45,756 --> 01:04:48,551 with "Holy Diver," and they wanted to do something epic 1278 01:04:48,593 --> 01:04:51,721 to launch "The Last in Line." 1279 01:04:51,762 --> 01:04:56,350 So, Jeff, the Warner Bros. executive, popped a cassette in, 1280 01:04:56,392 --> 01:04:57,810 and I'm going, "Oh, this is kind of cool," 1281 01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:00,229 We're a laugh without a tear 1282 01:05:00,271 --> 01:05:03,733 And there's this moment in that song where... 1283 01:05:03,774 --> 01:05:06,611 We are coming 1284 01:05:06,652 --> 01:05:10,489 And then Ronnie uncorks his amazing voice, 1285 01:05:10,531 --> 01:05:12,199 and I'm not going to try to even imitate it. 1286 01:05:12,241 --> 01:05:15,912 Home 1287 01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:21,584 You know, a chill goes down my spine, and I thought, 1288 01:05:21,626 --> 01:05:24,295 "Ok, I... there could be a video in this song." 1289 01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:27,131 Jeff pitched me an idea. 1290 01:05:27,173 --> 01:05:31,093 He wanted to have a video about teenagers in hell. 1291 01:05:31,135 --> 01:05:37,066 So, uh, the studio wants to do a video about teenagers in hell, 1292 01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:41,604 and Ronnie had a much more philosophical take on it. 1293 01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:45,441 And he basically told me, "Well, from birth to death, 1294 01:05:45,483 --> 01:05:48,110 we're all in a line. 1295 01:05:48,152 --> 01:05:51,739 And imagine if you're the last in line." 1296 01:05:53,157 --> 01:05:54,617 And then he says, "And of course, 1297 01:05:54,659 --> 01:05:56,202 you've got to put Murray in it." 1298 01:05:56,243 --> 01:05:58,287 Murray? who's Murray?" 1299 01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,706 Well, Murray, 1300 01:06:00,748 --> 01:06:05,419 you think his name would be Damien or fucking Lucifer. 1301 01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:10,091 Ronnie one day, said "Murray." So, he became Murray. 1302 01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:15,638 We'll know for the first time 1303 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,933 If we're evil or divine 1304 01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:21,185 We're the last in line 1305 01:06:21,227 --> 01:06:23,646 And so, I basically came up 1306 01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:26,774 with this slightly wonky idea which is about a, you know, 1307 01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:28,067 a normal teenage kid. 1308 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:30,027 He's, you know, going around. 1309 01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:32,113 He's got his delivery, and he goes into the elevator, 1310 01:06:32,154 --> 01:06:34,615 and he pushes the button. 1311 01:06:34,657 --> 01:06:37,493 And I kind of took The Wizard of Oz motif 1312 01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:41,956 of, you know, being swept up in a tornado and inverted it. 1313 01:06:41,998 --> 01:06:44,083 I got the teenagers in hell, and I got the line 1314 01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:47,003 and, um, Murray in the distance. 1315 01:06:47,044 --> 01:06:49,588 Last in line 1316 01:06:51,966 --> 01:06:55,678 See how we shine 1317 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,514 All the elements of Ronnie's career seem 1318 01:06:58,556 --> 01:07:00,975 to come together with Dio, 1319 01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:04,770 the culmination of his extraordinary presence 1320 01:07:04,812 --> 01:07:08,190 and extraordinary ability to write songs. 1321 01:07:08,232 --> 01:07:11,360 They weren't top 40 songs, but the key factor 1322 01:07:11,402 --> 01:07:13,696 is that he knew how to connect. 1323 01:07:13,738 --> 01:07:17,575 That was the key, that very direct connection 1324 01:07:17,616 --> 01:07:20,536 with his audience, which fans felt. 1325 01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:26,792 Is that good? Is that in focus? 1326 01:07:26,834 --> 01:07:27,918 You got that shit? 1327 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,503 I got it. 1328 01:07:32,131 --> 01:07:36,469 Where I really came online as a-a metal head, 1329 01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,972 you know, '80s, that period was real, like... 1330 01:07:40,014 --> 01:07:42,308 Devil-heavy. 1331 01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:45,978 Faceless creatures in robes, from my study, 1332 01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:48,564 symbolize Druids, which, of course, 1333 01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:51,859 you go back to, uh, Satan worship. 1334 01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:56,363 It was Satan. There was something extra seductive 1335 01:07:56,405 --> 01:08:00,242 and... and powerful about that. 1336 01:08:00,284 --> 01:08:03,329 Looking back on it now, there is some humor. 1337 01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:06,707 Alright now, now you're going to play this backwards? 1338 01:08:06,749 --> 01:08:09,627 Right. And then you'll hear there's power in Satan. 1339 01:08:09,668 --> 01:08:14,215 There is power in Satan 1340 01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:16,717 Did y'all hear that? I heard it! 1341 01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:19,470 My mom was a little concerned 1342 01:08:19,512 --> 01:08:22,681 with my consumption of Devil music. 1343 01:08:25,726 --> 01:08:29,188 And she gave me this tape that was a preacher 1344 01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:31,440 who was talking about evil music. 1345 01:08:31,482 --> 01:08:34,360 Daily, young people are bombarded 1346 01:08:34,401 --> 01:08:38,948 by distorted visual images and twisted music messages. 1347 01:08:38,989 --> 01:08:41,617 It was supposed to, like, turn me away from the evil ways 1348 01:08:41,659 --> 01:08:43,494 but I was like, "Oh." 1349 01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:46,747 It was just sort of this rad tape that turned me on 1350 01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:48,791 to new music that I hadn't listened to before. 1351 01:08:48,833 --> 01:08:51,210 It had the opposite effect of what it was supposed to do. 1352 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,632 Dio had some Devil. 1353 01:08:56,674 --> 01:08:59,552 Dio's Devil was a little more theatrical, 1354 01:08:59,593 --> 01:09:01,637 like a Shakespearean Devil. 1355 01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,558 It's the thing that makes all great stories interesting 1356 01:09:05,599 --> 01:09:07,351 is like, how good is your villain? 1357 01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:09,562 What's Star Wars without Darth Vader? 1358 01:09:09,603 --> 01:09:12,898 How good is the Bible without the Devil? 1359 01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:14,775 Dude, no spice. 1360 01:09:14,817 --> 01:09:17,361 There was blowback of people thinking, 1361 01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:20,364 "Oh, he's just some sort of demonic guy." 1362 01:09:20,406 --> 01:09:21,907 I'm sure the evangelical church, for instance, 1363 01:09:21,949 --> 01:09:23,450 in the States, isn't too happy about what you do. 1364 01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:25,161 Not too pleased, no. 1365 01:09:25,202 --> 01:09:26,954 Well, they think that, uh, I'm the Devil 1366 01:09:26,996 --> 01:09:29,665 or this particular sign means 1367 01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:32,209 I'm putting a curse on you. 1368 01:09:32,251 --> 01:09:34,086 And what does that sign mean, with two fingers? 1369 01:09:34,128 --> 01:09:37,131 Oh, I just cursed you, and you're gonna die in hell. 1370 01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:40,968 Well, there's a myth that the Dio logo says devil 1371 01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:43,220 when turned upside down. 1372 01:09:43,262 --> 01:09:46,056 That's not true at all. Not at all. 1373 01:09:47,391 --> 01:09:48,976 Christians ruin everything. 1374 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:51,187 I'm a... I'm an ordained minister, you know. 1375 01:09:51,228 --> 01:09:53,355 I believe in God and Jesus and all that stuff. 1376 01:09:53,397 --> 01:09:55,107 They just ruin everything. They're idiots. 1377 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,903 You want it to be dark. You want it to be scary. 1378 01:09:58,944 --> 01:10:02,531 You want it to be powerful. You want it to be intense. 1379 01:10:02,573 --> 01:10:06,035 For Ronnie, it was a tool. He knew how to communicate. 1380 01:10:06,076 --> 01:10:07,119 I don't believe in either heaven and hell 1381 01:10:07,161 --> 01:10:09,622 as a place to go to. 1382 01:10:09,663 --> 01:10:12,124 At the end of the day, if we all just believe in the same thing, 1383 01:10:12,166 --> 01:10:14,210 you know, that we've got a choice between good and evil. 1384 01:10:14,251 --> 01:10:15,711 Ok, make your choice. That's all it's about to me. 1385 01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:30,392 The whole good and evil thing, 1386 01:10:30,434 --> 01:10:33,812 it came from a very deep place within him 1387 01:10:33,854 --> 01:10:36,690 where he wanted to empower people. 1388 01:10:36,732 --> 01:10:40,236 He authentically believed that the weaker guy 1389 01:10:40,277 --> 01:10:42,905 needs to stand up for himself. 1390 01:10:42,947 --> 01:10:45,074 You can accomplish anything without people 1391 01:10:45,115 --> 01:10:48,244 influencing you to do stuff that you don't want to do. 1392 01:10:48,285 --> 01:10:50,955 As a kid, I just remember how strong 1393 01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:52,790 and resonant and powerful it was. 1394 01:11:07,471 --> 01:11:09,640 I've always felt to be somewhat of a spokesman 1395 01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:11,642 for people who may be lonely, 1396 01:11:11,684 --> 01:11:15,396 maybe have been looked down upon. 1397 01:11:15,437 --> 01:11:17,773 His heart was for the downtrodden 1398 01:11:17,815 --> 01:11:19,608 and the black sheep of the globe. 1399 01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:22,194 He was our voice because that's how he saw himself. 1400 01:11:22,236 --> 01:11:27,616 Climb the rainbow 1401 01:11:27,658 --> 01:11:29,535 You're a star 1402 01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:35,082 We are forever you and I 1403 01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:40,379 We stand 1404 01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:44,300 At the time, uh, they were doing, uh, "We are the World." 1405 01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:47,219 We are the world We are the world 1406 01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:48,971 We are the children 1407 01:11:49,013 --> 01:11:51,807 Yeah, we are the children 1408 01:11:51,849 --> 01:11:53,517 Ronnie had wanted to be part of that, 1409 01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:57,021 but we were nasty, heavy metal, dirty people. 1410 01:11:57,062 --> 01:11:59,523 We are fire and stone 1411 01:11:59,565 --> 01:12:03,319 And we all want to touch a rainbow 1412 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,613 You know, often, metal is marginalized 1413 01:12:06,655 --> 01:12:08,741 and thought of as lowbrow or whatever. 1414 01:12:08,782 --> 01:12:11,118 So, many times those artists are not invited 1415 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,246 to the charity events and the charity recordings. 1416 01:12:14,288 --> 01:12:18,459 So, Ronnie decided to do his own heavy metal, 1417 01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,503 "We are the World," and it was awesome. 1418 01:12:28,385 --> 01:12:31,180 This project came about because of a radio-thon 1419 01:12:31,221 --> 01:12:34,933 that the station KLOS held for 2 days. 1420 01:12:34,975 --> 01:12:36,810 Our bass player, Jimmy Bain, 1421 01:12:36,852 --> 01:12:38,270 and guitar player, Vivian Campbell, 1422 01:12:38,312 --> 01:12:39,980 noticed the lack of people 1423 01:12:40,022 --> 01:12:43,650 representing our genre of music, our kind of stuff. 1424 01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:45,652 Ronnie just wanted to show that we wanted... 1425 01:12:45,694 --> 01:12:47,529 We want to help, too, 1426 01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:49,782 but do something that's a little bit different. 1427 01:12:49,823 --> 01:12:53,702 Every single musician that made it in the '80s, 1428 01:12:53,744 --> 01:12:56,080 you know, we grew up listening to Ronnie. 1429 01:12:56,121 --> 01:12:59,208 So, any time Ronnie would say, "Listen, I need you guys," 1430 01:12:59,249 --> 01:13:01,877 and we'll say, "Yes, we're there," 1431 01:13:01,919 --> 01:13:03,879 because we wanted to be like him. 1432 01:13:03,921 --> 01:13:06,548 He was a hero to all of us. 1433 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:09,843 You can think about anybody who was anybody 1434 01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:12,596 on top at that time, and they were there. 1435 01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:14,056 Do you know a lot of the people 1436 01:13:14,098 --> 01:13:15,766 involved with it? 1437 01:13:15,808 --> 01:13:17,518 Well, I'm meeting them out there, aren't I? 1438 01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:20,729 I met the Yngwie Malmsteen person, you know. He's great. 1439 01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:22,481 I like the way he puts "Yngwie J. Malmsteen" 1440 01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:24,149 on his album, 1441 01:13:24,191 --> 01:13:25,567 so you know, you don't confuse him with all the other 1442 01:13:25,609 --> 01:13:27,528 Yngwie Malmsteens in the business. 1443 01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:29,363 You've got all of these people. 1444 01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:31,073 We all know about each other 1445 01:13:31,115 --> 01:13:33,659 and what we're famous for doing or not doing. 1446 01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:37,913 Ronnie was the captain of the ship, and he steered us 1447 01:13:37,955 --> 01:13:42,042 through what could have been an absolute catastrophe. 1448 01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:45,712 But singers and songs will never change it alone 1449 01:13:45,754 --> 01:13:50,384 So we are calling you, calling you 1450 01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:52,428 You can do better than that. Yeah. 1451 01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:55,889 Everybody's giving a thousand percent. You know, you can't... 1452 01:13:55,931 --> 01:13:57,891 "It's just a couple of notes." 1453 01:13:57,933 --> 01:13:59,393 You can't do that because there's Ronnie Dio, 1454 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,270 and he's the boss. 1455 01:14:01,311 --> 01:14:05,090 'Cause we are fire 1456 01:14:05,232 --> 01:14:10,779 'Cause we are fire 1457 01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:14,700 And I have to say, I admit it, you know. 1458 01:14:14,741 --> 01:14:16,702 I was scared shitless. 1459 01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:19,746 I'm like, "I'm playing with Ronnie James Dio." 1460 01:14:19,788 --> 01:14:22,791 We are shadows, we are light 1461 01:14:22,833 --> 01:14:24,501 Shit. 1462 01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:26,378 Does "Dokken" really rhyme with "rockin'"? 1463 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,631 There's some debate in here, 1464 01:14:29,673 --> 01:14:31,383 but we'll sort that out later. Ok, here we go. 1465 01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:33,343 I'm just nervous, man. 1466 01:14:33,385 --> 01:14:35,637 Fuckin' Ronnie James Dio producin', I'll stand out here. 1467 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,222 Goddamn. Never in my wildest dreams have I thought 1468 01:14:37,264 --> 01:14:41,059 this would ever happen to me. Good man. 1469 01:14:41,101 --> 01:14:45,230 Great. Right. Nice job. I'm proud of you. 1470 01:14:45,272 --> 01:14:47,232 Mark. 1471 01:14:47,274 --> 01:14:49,318 We should have... Rhymes with "rockin'." 1472 01:14:56,533 --> 01:15:00,496 The Hear 'N Aid song is about 8 minutes long, 1473 01:15:00,537 --> 01:15:02,581 in its full length version, 1474 01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:04,875 and I think about 6 and a half of those minutes 1475 01:15:04,917 --> 01:15:07,085 are guitar soloing going back and forth, 1476 01:15:07,127 --> 01:15:11,173 'cause there's about 15 players taking different sections. 1477 01:15:11,215 --> 01:15:14,134 But I don't know. I mean, I'm such a fan 1478 01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:15,844 that I love every note of it. 1479 01:15:15,886 --> 01:15:18,388 I'm totally down with it to this day. 1480 01:15:18,430 --> 01:15:19,973 And I love that it showed that just 1481 01:15:20,015 --> 01:15:22,601 'cause you're into metal, it doesn't mean you're a moron. 1482 01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:23,977 You can still have social issues. 1483 01:15:24,019 --> 01:15:25,562 You can still care about things. 1484 01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:27,397 You can still care about people. 1485 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,399 After you stop listening to this, to this record, 1486 01:15:29,441 --> 01:15:31,193 to what I say, people will still be starving, 1487 01:15:31,235 --> 01:15:33,654 and only you can change it. 1488 01:15:33,695 --> 01:15:35,614 So, if this is the vehicle to make you think, 1489 01:15:35,656 --> 01:15:38,158 to make you help another human being, then so be it. 1490 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,035 We've done our part. 1491 01:15:40,077 --> 01:15:43,539 We actually made, I don't know, it was like over 1492 01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:47,709 a million dollars that we got to send to, uh, to Africa. 1493 01:15:47,751 --> 01:15:52,448 We're stars 1494 01:15:52,589 --> 01:15:54,216 We're stars 1495 01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:55,884 It's easy to look back on that stuff 1496 01:15:55,926 --> 01:15:58,345 with a snicker now, but at that time, 1497 01:15:58,387 --> 01:16:00,305 that was the coolest thing in the world. 1498 01:16:00,347 --> 01:16:03,058 You know, I can't name all the rock stars 1499 01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:05,102 who were in that video. Rock 'n' roll was king. 1500 01:16:05,143 --> 01:16:08,897 MTV was king. This was our prime. 1501 01:16:08,939 --> 01:16:12,301 We're stars 1502 01:16:12,442 --> 01:16:16,780 We're stars 1503 01:16:16,822 --> 01:16:20,659 Hello. I'm Ronnie James Dio. 1504 01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:22,911 We're about to embark on our Sacred Heart tour. 1505 01:16:22,953 --> 01:16:24,788 It's a show that we feel is the most spectacular 1506 01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:26,790 that we've ever produced. 1507 01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:29,835 And when we get to your town, we're hoping to transport you 1508 01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:31,295 back to the days of knights and dragons, 1509 01:16:31,336 --> 01:16:33,338 damsels in distress, crystal balls, 1510 01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:35,257 and lots and lots of magic. 1511 01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:36,758 We feel we've got a great show for you. 1512 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,469 I hope to see all of you really soon. 1513 01:16:39,511 --> 01:16:42,889 The original Dio band made a 3rd record 1514 01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:46,310 called Sacred Heart, and the music videos got bigger, 1515 01:16:46,351 --> 01:16:48,895 the stage show got bigger. 1516 01:16:48,937 --> 01:16:52,441 He knew how to dream, make that dream materialize, 1517 01:16:52,482 --> 01:16:55,736 and it just kept growing and growing and growing. 1518 01:16:55,777 --> 01:16:59,281 He wanted a bigger stage set and bigger and more, 1519 01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:01,408 and it cost a fortune, but he wanted it. 1520 01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:05,162 We had this huge 18-foot fire breathing dragon with lasers. 1521 01:17:05,203 --> 01:17:07,247 He had this thing about dragons, you know, 1522 01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:09,374 dragons and rainbows. What a great thing. 1523 01:17:09,416 --> 01:17:12,085 You know, I've got leather studs and whips and chains, 1524 01:17:12,127 --> 01:17:14,212 and Ronnie's got dragons and rainbows. 1525 01:17:14,254 --> 01:17:16,590 I wish we could flip. 1526 01:17:16,632 --> 01:17:17,799 He would slay the dragon 1527 01:17:17,841 --> 01:17:19,426 with a laser sword at the end. 1528 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:23,388 It was absolutely like going to Disneyland. 1529 01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:27,559 Greetings, my children. 1530 01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:31,188 Come with me now and discover the magic 1531 01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:35,067 that lies beyond the sea of dreams. 1532 01:17:35,108 --> 01:17:38,654 At that point, Ronnie had reinvented himself fully 1533 01:17:38,695 --> 01:17:42,282 as being the caretaker of the name, "Dio." 1534 01:17:45,577 --> 01:17:48,121 1986, Sacred Heart tour. 1535 01:17:48,163 --> 01:17:50,582 I remember bumping into him on that tour. 1536 01:17:50,624 --> 01:17:53,794 I'd never seen him so full of joy. 1537 01:17:53,835 --> 01:17:57,756 I'd never seen him so fulfilled. 1538 01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:00,759 He knew, I think, that he'd... he'd done something remarkable 1539 01:18:00,801 --> 01:18:02,511 with his career at this point. 1540 01:18:02,552 --> 01:18:04,012 But it's taken Ronnie, you know, what, 1541 01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:06,932 nearly 40 years to get there. 1542 01:18:06,973 --> 01:18:09,101 And Ronnie defeating the dragon becomes 1543 01:18:09,142 --> 01:18:12,104 a kind of metaphor for the man. 1544 01:18:12,145 --> 01:18:14,606 His whole life had been a battle. 1545 01:18:14,648 --> 01:18:17,234 Everything Ronnie had, he'd had to work for, 1546 01:18:17,275 --> 01:18:19,778 fight for, earn. 1547 01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:21,697 He's like Muhammad Ali, 1548 01:18:21,738 --> 01:18:26,118 the guy that became world champion 3 times. 1549 01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:30,330 And, um, every time Ronnie slew that dragon, 1550 01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:35,293 that was heavy metal is all about... authenticity. 1551 01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:38,004 Here he is, top of the mountain, 1552 01:18:38,046 --> 01:18:41,758 and he'd done it by not writing the hit single. 1553 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,845 He'd done it by not kowtowing. 1554 01:18:44,886 --> 01:18:48,223 He stuck to his guns, come what may. 1555 01:19:04,614 --> 01:19:06,450 We've had about five offices, I think, 1556 01:19:06,491 --> 01:19:08,285 and I've always had "Holy Diver," 1557 01:19:08,326 --> 01:19:10,954 uh, which is very, very precious to me. 1558 01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,831 The original artwork of "Holy Diver"... 1559 01:19:12,873 --> 01:19:15,417 I've always had that hanging above my desk. 1560 01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:17,502 And of course, gold records is just something 1561 01:19:17,544 --> 01:19:20,505 you always hang in your office and things I'm proud of. 1562 01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,716 You know, Ronnie didn't care, you know. 1563 01:19:22,758 --> 01:19:25,051 In our house, we never had one gold record hanging, not one. 1564 01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:28,472 He was a humble person. He thought that was showing off, 1565 01:19:28,513 --> 01:19:31,808 so I showed off for him in my office. 1566 01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:35,729 This is his first gold record that Ronnie ever got 1567 01:19:35,771 --> 01:19:38,899 in 1975 for "Love is All," which is a song he performed 1568 01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:40,859 on The Butterfly Ball. 1569 01:19:40,901 --> 01:19:44,738 Love is all, yes, love is all 1570 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:48,492 At the Butterfly Ball! 1571 01:19:48,533 --> 01:19:51,328 And then I found a scrapbook. 1572 01:19:51,369 --> 01:19:54,539 I think his mum might have made it. 1573 01:19:54,581 --> 01:19:57,334 Wow, this is all Rainbow. 1574 01:20:00,754 --> 01:20:03,757 Black Sabbath here. This is Black Sabbath now. 1575 01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:07,511 A lot of, uh, press releases here on... 1576 01:20:07,552 --> 01:20:10,388 Dio. 1577 01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:12,641 Those were fun days, real fun days. 1578 01:20:12,682 --> 01:20:16,311 Yes, yes. It was a great time in our lives. 1579 01:20:16,353 --> 01:20:18,480 A great time in our lives. 1580 01:20:18,522 --> 01:20:22,150 Well, that's the end of that book. 1581 01:20:22,192 --> 01:20:25,570 Now, the entertainment. 1582 01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:28,490 Tonight, we got for you, 1583 01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:30,742 you know him, you love him. He's a neighborhood boy, 1584 01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:34,246 Ronnie James Dio and the Dioski brothers! 1585 01:20:34,287 --> 01:20:36,331 Yay! 1586 01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:39,459 At this point with Ronnie's career, you know, 1587 01:20:39,501 --> 01:20:42,629 he'd been following his own path since he was a kid 1588 01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:46,675 and reached a kind of new pinnacle with Dio. 1589 01:20:46,716 --> 01:20:48,677 We had a lot of fun on the first two records, 1590 01:20:48,718 --> 01:20:51,012 by the time we were doing the Sacred Heart album, 1591 01:20:51,054 --> 01:20:52,848 it was a very dark record for us to make. 1592 01:20:52,889 --> 01:20:54,850 It was really, really difficult. 1593 01:20:54,891 --> 01:20:56,393 All those fun times we had at Sound City, 1594 01:20:56,434 --> 01:20:58,311 it was a great atmosphere. 1595 01:20:58,353 --> 01:21:00,522 It wasn't such a business. 1596 01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:02,649 And then, the business end of this 1597 01:21:02,691 --> 01:21:04,776 started getting really frustrating. 1598 01:21:04,818 --> 01:21:08,029 and Viv was the one that would point it out after a while. 1599 01:21:08,071 --> 01:21:10,448 The promise was made to us that by the third album, 1600 01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:12,826 it would be more of an equitable situation, 1601 01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:14,953 and I was... I was a squeaky wheel. 1602 01:21:14,995 --> 01:21:17,163 I mean, the third album came, and I was the one going... 1603 01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:20,625 "Uh, excuse me." 1604 01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:22,711 Vivian had just told me that he wanted more money, 1605 01:21:22,752 --> 01:21:26,047 From Ronnie's perspective, when I'd bring it up to him, 1606 01:21:26,089 --> 01:21:29,634 he looked at it as a young kid who he found 1607 01:21:29,676 --> 01:21:32,345 and put on the map that was being ungrateful 1608 01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,890 and pulling the leverage play. 1609 01:21:34,931 --> 01:21:36,850 Well, you know, you should get paid for what you do. 1610 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,393 And when Sacred Heart came around, I said, 1611 01:21:38,435 --> 01:21:40,395 "What do you got, Viv? We've had four months off." 1612 01:21:40,437 --> 01:21:43,231 "Oh, nothing." "Oh, really?" "Nope, not a thing." 1613 01:21:43,273 --> 01:21:44,566 "Oh, I guess I didn't pay you enough, then did I?" 1614 01:21:44,608 --> 01:21:46,735 Money is not what music is all about. 1615 01:21:46,776 --> 01:21:49,571 Ronnie had years and years and years of banging 1616 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:53,909 on the doors, and Elf and Rainbow and everything else. 1617 01:21:53,950 --> 01:21:56,411 You can't just have somebody come in the door 1618 01:21:56,453 --> 01:21:58,371 and go, "Oh, yeah, well, I'm as important as you." 1619 01:21:58,413 --> 01:22:00,081 The band was called Dio... 1620 01:22:00,123 --> 01:22:02,584 for a reason. 1621 01:22:02,626 --> 01:22:06,046 He understands that whether he likes it or not, 1622 01:22:06,087 --> 01:22:10,926 this time I'm the Blackmore, I'm the Iommi. 1623 01:22:10,967 --> 01:22:12,844 He's the boss. 1624 01:22:12,886 --> 01:22:16,264 After a while, Ronnie got tired of it and said, 1625 01:22:16,306 --> 01:22:17,933 "We're going to get rid of him and get somebody else," 1626 01:22:17,974 --> 01:22:20,644 and I'm like, "Are you crazy?" 1627 01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:25,774 Back in those days, losing a band member was a huge deal, 1628 01:22:25,815 --> 01:22:28,944 especially a guy that was a budding guitar hero 1629 01:22:28,985 --> 01:22:32,364 in Vivian Campbell. 1630 01:22:32,405 --> 01:22:35,909 Yes, it was magical. It was great in the beginning, 1631 01:22:35,951 --> 01:22:38,620 but people have to go sometimes. 1632 01:22:38,662 --> 01:22:41,623 You know, Vivian Campbell had to go. 1633 01:22:41,665 --> 01:22:46,002 I mean. It was Ronnie's band. 1634 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,801 You sometimes get very trapped 1635 01:22:52,842 --> 01:22:56,513 by your own existence, uh, you must maintain. 1636 01:22:56,554 --> 01:22:59,849 When you get to a certain success plateau, 1637 01:22:59,891 --> 01:23:02,686 the only thing you can do is to either try to maintain it 1638 01:23:02,727 --> 01:23:04,312 or reach above that. 1639 01:23:04,354 --> 01:23:07,857 When I got the call to, to join, you know, 1640 01:23:07,899 --> 01:23:09,693 headlining 20,000-seat arenas every night, 1641 01:23:09,734 --> 01:23:12,529 it was like... 1642 01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:15,949 And so back then, heavy metal was going strong. 1643 01:23:15,991 --> 01:23:18,868 And that was during the time that bands came to L.A. 1644 01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:21,121 to find their fame and fortune, 1645 01:23:21,162 --> 01:23:24,040 and they all got their hair ran up to, you know, 1646 01:23:24,082 --> 01:23:26,626 ten feet and tons of makeup. 1647 01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:28,878 This is the reason I am a rock 'n' roll drummer, see? 1648 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,630 Because girls like this hang out with guys like me! 1649 01:23:30,672 --> 01:23:32,841 Can you believe it? 1650 01:23:32,882 --> 01:23:36,177 Motley Crue, Skid Row. We looked like girls. 1651 01:23:38,555 --> 01:23:42,684 I mean, not just us, but you know, all that look was huge. 1652 01:23:42,726 --> 01:23:46,354 And I'll always say it, that the rock scene of the '80s, 1653 01:23:46,396 --> 01:23:49,149 we were our own undoing. 1654 01:23:49,190 --> 01:23:52,527 It became more important about their look, 1655 01:23:52,569 --> 01:23:56,281 and not the songs... bands like Poison. 1656 01:23:56,322 --> 01:23:57,866 Unskinny Bop 1657 01:23:57,907 --> 01:23:59,826 "Unskinny Bop" bop? 1658 01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:02,203 Ronnie couldn't write "Unskinny Bop" bop 1659 01:24:02,245 --> 01:24:04,372 if they put a gun to his head. 1660 01:24:04,414 --> 01:24:09,669 Dio... he was never a part of that hair metal thing. 1661 01:24:09,711 --> 01:24:11,880 He wasn't singing about getting laid and doing drugs 1662 01:24:11,921 --> 01:24:13,631 and, you know, crap like that. 1663 01:24:13,673 --> 01:24:15,675 I mean, the music was rubbish, 1664 01:24:15,717 --> 01:24:18,887 and they destroyed what the rest of us created. 1665 01:24:18,928 --> 01:24:21,139 There's Sacred Heart and what's the other one? 1666 01:24:21,181 --> 01:24:23,600 Dream Evil, I don't know. 1667 01:24:23,641 --> 01:24:25,310 Was there another one after that? I don't know. 1668 01:24:25,351 --> 01:24:27,645 Sales, they started going down, you know? 1669 01:24:27,687 --> 01:24:30,857 And MTV, that was built upon heavy metal music, 1670 01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:33,068 suddenly went, "Oh, no more of that." 1671 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,906 120 minutes. 1672 01:24:37,947 --> 01:24:40,033 Right here, 1673 01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:41,826 the 2nd of tonight's 2 world premiere videos. 1674 01:24:41,868 --> 01:24:43,912 It's from the Seattle band, Nirvana. 1675 01:24:43,953 --> 01:24:46,039 Here is the planet's first look at... 1676 01:24:46,081 --> 01:24:48,917 "Smells like Teen Spirit." 1677 01:24:51,377 --> 01:24:54,255 Basically, right after Nirvana had their first play 1678 01:24:54,297 --> 01:24:57,258 of "Teen Spirit," it changed everything. 1679 01:25:01,304 --> 01:25:03,098 It needed it. 1680 01:25:03,139 --> 01:25:05,683 You know, the MTV toilet needed to be flushed, 1681 01:25:05,725 --> 01:25:07,769 you know and clean up 1682 01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:10,146 and... and get something else in there, you know? 1683 01:25:10,188 --> 01:25:12,398 You're talking to a guy 1684 01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:15,110 who worked in rock radio for decades. 1685 01:25:15,151 --> 01:25:19,447 I literally saw the day the program director comes in 1686 01:25:19,489 --> 01:25:24,244 and says, "All of these CDs... in a box. No more. 1687 01:25:24,285 --> 01:25:27,288 Here's what we're playing now." 1688 01:25:27,330 --> 01:25:29,749 There's a big misconception that the birth of Nirvana 1689 01:25:29,791 --> 01:25:33,920 and all that took down the "hair bands," 1690 01:25:33,962 --> 01:25:35,880 and it certainly did. 1691 01:25:35,922 --> 01:25:38,883 But it didn't discriminate to just that. 1692 01:25:38,925 --> 01:25:41,761 It took down everything. Everybody got hit with that. 1693 01:25:41,803 --> 01:25:43,721 I don't care if you were Black Sabbath, 1694 01:25:43,763 --> 01:25:46,808 Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, whoever you were, 1695 01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:51,646 across the board, was one of the most harsh, abrupt things 1696 01:25:51,688 --> 01:25:55,441 I've ever seen in my life. All of this goes away, 1697 01:25:55,483 --> 01:25:58,111 and all of this is suddenly uncool. 1698 01:25:58,153 --> 01:26:01,656 It was like that, cut and dry. 1699 01:26:01,698 --> 01:26:04,492 Dio in the box? Dio was in the box. 1700 01:26:15,211 --> 01:26:19,048 somber acoustic instrumental 1701 01:26:19,090 --> 01:26:21,467 The '90s were the darkest period 1702 01:26:21,509 --> 01:26:24,637 because he got dropped from Warner Bros. 1703 01:26:24,679 --> 01:26:26,389 Losing a record deal was devastating. 1704 01:26:26,431 --> 01:26:30,185 Absolute devastating. 1705 01:26:30,226 --> 01:26:33,438 The music industry at that time, it was like... 1706 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,983 Pfft. "We don't care, we don't care about you anymore." 1707 01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:38,818 For someone like Ronnie, 1708 01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:40,737 it did get a little awkward in the '90s. 1709 01:26:40,778 --> 01:26:45,491 Nu metal and grunge became what the public face 1710 01:26:45,533 --> 01:26:47,785 of metal was depicted as. 1711 01:26:47,827 --> 01:26:49,579 Underground, death metal, grindcore, 1712 01:26:49,621 --> 01:26:52,040 black metal got more intense. 1713 01:26:52,081 --> 01:26:55,210 The point being that stuff like Ronnie James Dio, 1714 01:26:55,251 --> 01:26:57,670 people just kind of maybe said, 1715 01:26:57,712 --> 01:27:01,633 "We don't need any of that stuff. That's dinosaur shit." 1716 01:27:01,674 --> 01:27:04,344 Bands like Dio will find it very difficult. 1717 01:27:04,385 --> 01:27:06,304 It's only really alternate rock that seems 1718 01:27:06,346 --> 01:27:07,555 to be getting most of the attention. 1719 01:27:10,308 --> 01:27:12,560 Where... Where is it going? God knows. I mean, that's... 1720 01:27:12,602 --> 01:27:14,812 A lot of that has to do with, you know, 1721 01:27:14,854 --> 01:27:17,106 with its acceptance, really. 1722 01:27:17,148 --> 01:27:19,025 It'll go as far as people allow us to go. 1723 01:27:19,067 --> 01:27:21,986 The mid-'90s, I remember he came over 1724 01:27:22,028 --> 01:27:25,406 to London to do interviews to promote his latest album. 1725 01:27:25,448 --> 01:27:28,576 I had to beg, borrow, and steal to try and get someone 1726 01:27:28,618 --> 01:27:31,496 to interview Ronnie James Dio. 1727 01:27:31,537 --> 01:27:34,874 I couldn't get anybody interested in interviewing him. 1728 01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:37,252 That was, like, a really down time for him. 1729 01:27:37,293 --> 01:27:39,420 He didn't feel loved anymore. 1730 01:27:46,886 --> 01:27:49,264 Well, because it's a world that, uh, you know, 1731 01:27:49,305 --> 01:27:50,974 it's not a very happy place. 1732 01:27:51,015 --> 01:27:54,686 It's a world we live in that's, uh, just really depressing. 1733 01:27:54,727 --> 01:27:56,646 And it couldn't allow me to talk about dreams 1734 01:27:56,688 --> 01:27:57,939 and everything's going to be wonderful 1735 01:27:57,981 --> 01:28:00,066 and the world will be happy. 1736 01:28:00,108 --> 01:28:02,068 Just, you know, work hard and your dreams will come true. 1737 01:28:02,110 --> 01:28:03,736 Shit. I look at the world around me now, 1738 01:28:03,778 --> 01:28:05,738 and I see that that's pretty impossible to happen. 1739 01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:07,490 So I couldn't in my conscience, 1740 01:28:07,532 --> 01:28:09,784 write about dreams and happiness. 1741 01:28:17,583 --> 01:28:20,712 I didn't really start going to his house until the '90s. 1742 01:28:20,753 --> 01:28:22,964 I remember going and taking photos of him, 1743 01:28:23,006 --> 01:28:25,341 and that's when everything was changing. 1744 01:28:25,383 --> 01:28:27,135 He noticed it, 1745 01:28:27,176 --> 01:28:29,637 because he wasn't selling out arenas anymore. 1746 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:31,764 I got here because I believed in the music I made, 1747 01:28:31,806 --> 01:28:35,393 and somebody liked it. So, hey, I got a nice house. 1748 01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:37,312 You know, as I told you many times before, 1749 01:28:37,353 --> 01:28:38,771 I don't give a damn about this house. 1750 01:28:38,813 --> 01:28:40,857 What do I care about this? 1751 01:28:40,898 --> 01:28:43,067 I could sleep on this table. I could sleep on the floor. 1752 01:28:43,109 --> 01:28:45,528 It's not important. It's all about playing. 1753 01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:47,447 It's all about playing for people. 1754 01:28:47,488 --> 01:28:49,073 It's the only thing that matters to me. 1755 01:28:49,115 --> 01:28:51,868 So, through the hard times, love what you do. 1756 01:28:51,909 --> 01:28:54,162 He's one of those guys I don't think would have ever retired 1757 01:28:54,203 --> 01:28:56,080 cause when you're an artist, you're an artist. 1758 01:28:56,122 --> 01:28:58,207 That's what you do forever, you know. 1759 01:28:58,249 --> 01:29:02,211 You just...you...till you die. 1760 01:29:02,253 --> 01:29:04,589 You've got such a long career. 1761 01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:06,591 You haven't had any breaks. 1762 01:29:06,632 --> 01:29:08,176 No, I never... I haven't taken vacations. 1763 01:29:08,217 --> 01:29:09,594 I don't. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. 1764 01:29:09,635 --> 01:29:11,054 What am I gonna do, lay on a beach? 1765 01:29:11,095 --> 01:29:12,680 Waste... That's a waste of my life. 1766 01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:15,016 Eating, sleeping, and vacations are a waste of my life. 1767 01:29:15,058 --> 01:29:17,143 You only got so many years, you may as well get 1768 01:29:17,185 --> 01:29:18,436 all you can out of it. Just grind it out, 1769 01:29:18,478 --> 01:29:20,688 bring it out, go for it 1770 01:29:20,730 --> 01:29:22,440 because I got a lot more to do yet. 1771 01:29:22,482 --> 01:29:25,568 Start with this one. Title track of Dio LP #2. 1772 01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:28,488 This is called "The Last in Line." 1773 01:29:28,529 --> 01:29:31,199 It was very much a different thing from the '80s. 1774 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,909 For you, we especially do this one. 1775 01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:34,369 It's called "The Last in Line." 1776 01:29:36,329 --> 01:29:38,247 But, uh, he would go to the ends of the Earth 1777 01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:40,124 to play in front of people. 1778 01:29:40,166 --> 01:29:42,710 And I'd be the one going, "Oh, Christ, I don't know. 1779 01:29:42,752 --> 01:29:44,796 You should think about this, you know?" 1780 01:29:44,837 --> 01:29:49,258 He didn't care if 80 people showed up to a show or 80,000. 1781 01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:51,386 He never lost sight of the guy 1782 01:29:51,427 --> 01:29:54,806 from Cortland, New York, who, music was his salvation. 1783 01:29:54,847 --> 01:29:56,015 He never lost sight of that. 1784 01:30:00,603 --> 01:30:03,314 Ronnie never, ever complained. 1785 01:30:03,356 --> 01:30:06,234 You know, he never phoned it in. 1786 01:30:06,275 --> 01:30:08,903 That was... He couldn't do that. It was impossible. 1787 01:30:08,945 --> 01:30:12,240 The enthusiasm and the hunger and the conviction, 1788 01:30:12,281 --> 01:30:13,491 it was unbreakable. 1789 01:30:13,533 --> 01:30:16,536 We're off to the witch 1790 01:30:16,577 --> 01:30:18,913 We may never, never, never, come home 1791 01:30:18,955 --> 01:30:20,373 But the magic that we'll feel 1792 01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:22,417 Is worth the lifetime 1793 01:30:22,458 --> 01:30:25,711 Hard rock was out of favor. MTV was gone. 1794 01:30:25,753 --> 01:30:28,339 We got record deals on smaller labels. 1795 01:30:28,381 --> 01:30:31,843 Ronnie just continued to keep making records 1796 01:30:31,884 --> 01:30:34,720 and keep creating, putting together some great bands. 1797 01:30:34,762 --> 01:30:36,055 There were some great lineups, 1798 01:30:36,097 --> 01:30:38,433 people that were in and out of Dio. 1799 01:30:38,474 --> 01:30:41,102 They still did some great work during that time, 1800 01:30:41,144 --> 01:30:43,604 whether it sold anything or anybody acknowledged it. 1801 01:30:43,646 --> 01:30:46,107 Ronnie just kept going. 1802 01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:49,444 Think about the miles that are on that voice. 1803 01:30:49,485 --> 01:30:53,573 And I always felt maybe he would have sort of started 1804 01:30:53,614 --> 01:30:55,825 to relax a little bit. 1805 01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:59,745 But we did four whole albums, maybe five DVDs, 1806 01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:01,664 and he would be here every minute, 1807 01:31:01,706 --> 01:31:04,083 of every day for every part of it. 1808 01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:05,543 Being in the studio with Ronnie, 1809 01:31:05,585 --> 01:31:08,254 it was un-fucking believable. 1810 01:31:08,296 --> 01:31:10,673 He was on a level that some people never get to 1811 01:31:10,715 --> 01:31:14,260 in their prime when they're 21. 1812 01:31:14,302 --> 01:31:16,012 He would sing with the band 1813 01:31:16,053 --> 01:31:20,808 while they were cutting all day long, every time. 1814 01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:23,478 I mean, I told him a hundred times and said, 1815 01:31:23,519 --> 01:31:25,480 "We could just use the vocal you just sang, you know, 1816 01:31:25,521 --> 01:31:27,315 every time they go through it. 1817 01:31:27,356 --> 01:31:29,400 You know, you don't have to keep singing it." 1818 01:31:29,442 --> 01:31:32,320 He said, "No, no, no, I'm singing with the band." 1819 01:31:32,361 --> 01:31:36,908 I said, "Ok." He's such a remarkable person. 1820 01:31:36,949 --> 01:31:39,994 There's certain people out there, people with conviction, 1821 01:31:40,036 --> 01:31:41,662 people who have it here. 1822 01:31:41,704 --> 01:31:44,165 "This is what I want to do, and I'm doing it." 1823 01:31:44,207 --> 01:31:46,000 And that's all that should fucking matter, 1824 01:31:46,042 --> 01:31:48,628 you know, forever. 1825 01:31:48,669 --> 01:31:50,171 I must say, I'm not going to go away. 1826 01:31:50,213 --> 01:31:52,215 No matter what happens. 1827 01:31:52,256 --> 01:31:54,342 I'm gonna be here again to haunt you next year, too. 1828 01:31:54,383 --> 01:31:56,511 Perhaps the year after that and the year after that. 1829 01:31:56,552 --> 01:32:00,181 I love to do what I do very much, and as long as people 1830 01:32:00,223 --> 01:32:03,392 will accept me for what I am, I'll still be back 1831 01:32:03,434 --> 01:32:04,727 year after year after year doing this, and hopefully 1832 01:32:04,769 --> 01:32:06,521 getting better at it if I can. 1833 01:32:06,562 --> 01:32:09,482 There was always that hardcore faction of fans. 1834 01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:11,317 They'd always be there, 1835 01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:13,528 and, uh, he felt immensely grateful for that. 1836 01:32:13,569 --> 01:32:15,196 Dio's the best! 1837 01:32:15,238 --> 01:32:17,240 I told him to say that. 1838 01:32:19,033 --> 01:32:21,369 If there was 200 people or one person, 1839 01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:24,205 he'd treat them as if he was their long lost friend. 1840 01:32:24,247 --> 01:32:27,208 And sometimes we used to argue about that 1841 01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:29,210 because he'd be, like, 1842 01:32:29,252 --> 01:32:31,712 talking to two fans till about three in the morning. 1843 01:32:31,754 --> 01:32:33,673 And we'd be going, "Come on, Ronnie. It's time to leave. 1844 01:32:33,714 --> 01:32:35,383 We gotta get on the bus to the next gig." 1845 01:32:35,424 --> 01:32:37,218 He's going, "Yeah, just a minute." 1846 01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:40,179 He had this remarkable way of, uh, remembering people 1847 01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:42,181 and what they were about. You know, he'd see somebody, 1848 01:32:42,223 --> 01:32:44,225 you know, ten years later and he'd go, 1849 01:32:44,267 --> 01:32:46,811 "Oh, hi, Mary, how's your mother doing?" 1850 01:32:46,852 --> 01:32:48,354 "Hey, Larry, how you doing? 1851 01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,523 How's your cousin, Bill?" 1852 01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:52,024 And he would rattle on all these names. 1853 01:32:52,066 --> 01:32:53,734 And I'm going, like... 1854 01:32:53,776 --> 01:32:56,487 He would say, "Hey, wait a minute, your dad was sick 1855 01:32:56,529 --> 01:32:58,573 last time I saw you. How's he doing?" 1856 01:32:58,614 --> 01:33:00,199 And you know, the look on fans' faces 1857 01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:02,868 would be like, "He remembered that?" 1858 01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:07,373 He fed off that energy, that direct connection 1859 01:33:07,415 --> 01:33:09,208 with every single fan. 1860 01:33:09,250 --> 01:33:11,377 You know, they've got the records. 1861 01:33:11,419 --> 01:33:13,546 They got the dreams. 1862 01:33:13,588 --> 01:33:16,799 That's living in the face of career death, if you like. 1863 01:33:22,471 --> 01:33:23,264 Thank you! 1864 01:33:26,559 --> 01:33:29,770 Aah! 1865 01:33:33,065 --> 01:33:35,776 In the movie, The Pick of Destiny. 1866 01:33:35,818 --> 01:33:39,280 It's, uh, the origin story of my band, Tenacious D. 1867 01:33:39,322 --> 01:33:41,616 We took some creative liberties, 1868 01:33:41,657 --> 01:33:43,451 but it starts off at the beginning, you know, 1869 01:33:43,492 --> 01:33:45,119 when I'm a kid and, uh, 1870 01:33:45,161 --> 01:33:48,372 my parents disapprove of my rocking. 1871 01:33:48,414 --> 01:33:51,792 You gotta praise the Lord when you're in my home 1872 01:33:51,834 --> 01:33:55,421 And I pray to Ronnie James Dio to please show me the way. 1873 01:33:58,674 --> 01:34:00,968 And then, he, like, comes to life in the poster, 1874 01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:03,638 and he delivers the advice. 1875 01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:05,681 Escape your father's clutches 1876 01:34:05,723 --> 01:34:07,391 In this oppressive neighborhood 1877 01:34:07,433 --> 01:34:09,101 On a journey you must go 1878 01:34:09,143 --> 01:34:13,314 To find the land of Hollywood 1879 01:34:13,356 --> 01:34:15,733 A lot of people say it's the best part of the whole movie, 1880 01:34:15,775 --> 01:34:20,071 which is awesome and a little bit sad, 1881 01:34:20,112 --> 01:34:23,032 'cause me and Kyle aren't even in it. 1882 01:34:23,074 --> 01:34:27,161 It's Dio, Meat Loaf, and a little kid that looks like me. 1883 01:34:27,203 --> 01:34:29,246 We had to record all the songs 1884 01:34:29,288 --> 01:34:31,415 before we started filming the movie. 1885 01:34:31,457 --> 01:34:32,917 Can you play it for me from the end 1886 01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:36,003 of "Go my... Now, go my son and rock" into the softer bit? 1887 01:34:36,045 --> 01:34:40,174 So, he came over to the studio, and, um, he brought a microphone 1888 01:34:40,216 --> 01:34:43,844 still, like, attached to a stand with a cord. 1889 01:34:43,886 --> 01:34:45,763 And he was like, "I brought my mic," 1890 01:34:45,805 --> 01:34:48,140 and we're like, "Awesome, but you know, 1891 01:34:48,182 --> 01:34:51,185 we're at John King's Studio. He's a dust brother. 1892 01:34:51,227 --> 01:34:53,854 We've got, like, the best mics in the world here. 1893 01:34:53,896 --> 01:34:55,690 Let's try it on the Sennheiser 5000, first." 1894 01:34:55,731 --> 01:34:57,441 He was like, "Sure, whatever you want to do." 1895 01:34:57,483 --> 01:34:59,318 And this sounds like I'm making this up 1896 01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,946 but dude laid down such a heavy vocal, 1897 01:35:01,987 --> 01:35:04,699 it, like, was distorting. 1898 01:35:04,740 --> 01:35:07,034 We're all just like, "Holy fuck, turn down the levels." 1899 01:35:07,076 --> 01:35:09,328 "I did turn down the levels!" 1900 01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:13,749 And so, then he said, "Let's take out the Sennheiser 5000, 1901 01:35:13,791 --> 01:35:17,336 bring in the Robotron 6000. This is..." 1902 01:35:17,378 --> 01:35:19,338 And it's like, you know. 1903 01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:21,382 We went through, like, three different, like, 1904 01:35:21,424 --> 01:35:24,719 state-of-the-art, cutting edge bleeding edge microphones. 1905 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,222 And he was just, like, too big a voice 1906 01:35:28,264 --> 01:35:29,890 for these fucking microphones. 1907 01:35:29,932 --> 01:35:30,933 And he's like, "I kind of told you guys. 1908 01:35:30,975 --> 01:35:33,477 "That's why I bring my own mic." 1909 01:35:33,519 --> 01:35:35,479 And so, they're like, "Oh, yeah." 1910 01:35:35,521 --> 01:35:38,065 And they plugged in his mic, and it was like, ding. 1911 01:35:38,107 --> 01:35:40,735 And it was like, it just sounded like Dio. 1912 01:35:40,776 --> 01:35:43,571 Now, go, my son 1913 01:35:43,612 --> 01:35:48,576 And rock 1914 01:35:52,955 --> 01:35:54,874 Oh, yeah. 1915 01:35:54,915 --> 01:35:56,917 Yeah, I just can't believe this is really happening. 1916 01:35:56,959 --> 01:36:01,255 I just felt an obligation to thank him for, you know, 1917 01:36:01,297 --> 01:36:05,801 gracing us with his gift of, uh, of his singing 1918 01:36:05,843 --> 01:36:08,179 and... and music ability and inspiration. 1919 01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:11,098 It was deeply moving to me. 1920 01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:13,350 Holy diver 1921 01:36:13,392 --> 01:36:16,312 You've been down too long in the midnight sea 1922 01:36:16,353 --> 01:36:19,690 Oh, what's becoming of me 1923 01:36:19,732 --> 01:36:21,692 Look out 1924 01:36:21,734 --> 01:36:23,444 Ride the tiger 1925 01:36:23,486 --> 01:36:26,363 You can see his stripes, but you know he's clean 1926 01:36:26,405 --> 01:36:29,992 Oh, don't you see what I mean 1927 01:36:30,034 --> 01:36:31,619 Whatever happens, wherever you are, 1928 01:36:31,660 --> 01:36:34,914 as a musician, you have to play through it. 1929 01:36:34,955 --> 01:36:36,415 Let the music push through and play through 1930 01:36:36,457 --> 01:36:38,250 and still stay strong. 1931 01:36:38,292 --> 01:36:40,795 Yeah 1932 01:36:40,836 --> 01:36:42,630 The music industry and music, it's... 1933 01:36:42,671 --> 01:36:44,507 everything has a season. 1934 01:36:44,548 --> 01:36:46,926 People missed that kind of music again. 1935 01:36:46,967 --> 01:36:50,137 I'll never forget it. I was married to a woman. 1936 01:36:50,179 --> 01:36:52,598 She had two boys and they had a ball because they were 1937 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,100 kicking my ass in Guitar Hero with "Holy Diver." 1938 01:36:55,142 --> 01:36:57,645 I was getting my ass kicked on Guitar Hero 1939 01:36:57,686 --> 01:37:00,231 by these two nine-year-olds on a Dio song 1940 01:37:00,272 --> 01:37:02,983 and I was in Dio, for fuck's sake, you know? 1941 01:37:03,025 --> 01:37:05,444 Holy diver 1942 01:37:05,486 --> 01:37:07,404 Sole survivor 1943 01:37:07,446 --> 01:37:09,907 Suddenly, rock and heavy metal, 1944 01:37:09,949 --> 01:37:13,536 people are starting to dig it. It's not a passing fad. 1945 01:37:13,577 --> 01:37:15,204 It's something much deeper than that. 1946 01:37:15,246 --> 01:37:17,456 And sure enough, within a few years, 1947 01:37:17,498 --> 01:37:20,626 the whole classic rock market has matured. 1948 01:37:20,668 --> 01:37:23,420 And it's the ones that really, really mean 1949 01:37:23,462 --> 01:37:27,007 something to people that will always endure. 1950 01:37:27,049 --> 01:37:29,844 And we got a phone call from the record label. 1951 01:37:29,885 --> 01:37:32,888 And they're going to re-release the Dio years with Sabbath. 1952 01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:35,182 And I don't know, out of the blue, Ronnie goes, 1953 01:37:35,224 --> 01:37:37,643 "Well, maybe we should just write a couple of songs." 1954 01:37:37,685 --> 01:37:41,355 We worked on these songs to go into the box set 1955 01:37:41,397 --> 01:37:44,817 and, uh, we really enjoyed it. We really enjoyed doing it. 1956 01:37:44,859 --> 01:37:46,610 When we got together, 1957 01:37:46,652 --> 01:37:48,404 it was like old friends meeting again. 1958 01:37:48,445 --> 01:37:50,906 I don't know. just a certain vibe that you get 1959 01:37:50,948 --> 01:37:53,325 that just feels right. 1960 01:37:53,367 --> 01:37:56,787 And we said, "Well, let's get together, 1961 01:37:56,829 --> 01:37:58,873 "Let's make another album and go on tours 1962 01:37:58,914 --> 01:38:01,542 and get the band back together." 1963 01:38:01,584 --> 01:38:03,377 And they decided they were not going to call it 1964 01:38:03,419 --> 01:38:05,713 Black Sabbath, this time. 1965 01:38:05,754 --> 01:38:07,548 They were going to call it Heaven and Hell. 1966 01:38:10,801 --> 01:38:13,554 Alright, let's check this out, guys. 1967 01:38:13,596 --> 01:38:16,932 Oh, for God's sakes, my eyes suck. 1968 01:38:16,974 --> 01:38:19,810 Can you tell me which... 1969 01:38:19,852 --> 01:38:21,687 God, I'm a little jittery from coffee. 1970 01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:27,109 Now to pretend 1971 01:38:27,151 --> 01:38:30,362 And make up an ending 1972 01:38:30,404 --> 01:38:32,948 Somewhere 1973 01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:37,661 Far away 1974 01:38:37,703 --> 01:38:41,248 Here's one thing that is true. 1975 01:38:41,290 --> 01:38:46,295 I think that Ronnie James Dio's best-ever song 1976 01:38:46,337 --> 01:38:50,841 was his very last song, which was called "Bible Black" 1977 01:38:50,883 --> 01:38:53,510 off the Heaven and Hell record. 1978 01:38:53,552 --> 01:38:56,013 How many artists can say that 1979 01:38:56,055 --> 01:38:58,724 their last single was among the best? 1980 01:38:58,766 --> 01:39:01,894 To me, it's the best. I love that song. 1981 01:39:01,936 --> 01:39:03,562 Thank God, I remembered to say that on here 1982 01:39:03,604 --> 01:39:05,564 because it's totally true. You can put it on. 1983 01:39:05,606 --> 01:39:07,691 Thank me later. 1984 01:39:07,733 --> 01:39:10,569 Bible black 1985 01:39:14,031 --> 01:39:15,741 How heavy is that?! 1986 01:39:21,538 --> 01:39:24,041 What's this world I see? 1987 01:39:24,083 --> 01:39:26,794 Who are you and who are me? 1988 01:39:26,835 --> 01:39:29,004 The fact that Ronnie got back together 1989 01:39:29,046 --> 01:39:32,216 with Tony and Geezer and Vinnie, 1990 01:39:32,257 --> 01:39:36,261 I've never known him quite so, uh, Zen. 1991 01:39:36,303 --> 01:39:39,264 This was exactly the way it was supposed to be. 1992 01:39:39,306 --> 01:39:41,600 Just like the early days, just like Heaven and Hell again. 1993 01:39:41,642 --> 01:39:44,979 And it was just so much fun. It was just, wow. 1994 01:39:45,020 --> 01:39:48,691 Everybody was absolutely kickin' ass, being friends. 1995 01:39:48,732 --> 01:39:51,652 Everybody was having such an amazing time together. 1996 01:39:51,694 --> 01:39:53,278 You could tell. 1997 01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,448 Even Iommi would smile occasionally. 1998 01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:59,284 It was really great because we've gone through 1999 01:39:59,326 --> 01:40:01,245 a lot together over the years. 2000 01:40:01,286 --> 01:40:03,497 And you get to appreciate things a lot... 2001 01:40:03,539 --> 01:40:06,125 Sometimes you can't see it when you're involved in it. 2002 01:40:06,166 --> 01:40:08,919 But later on, you think, "Oh, wow, that was great." You know? 2003 01:40:08,961 --> 01:40:13,340 We seemed to have grown out of all our miserable days. 2004 01:40:13,382 --> 01:40:15,843 Life's too short now. You realize as you get older, 2005 01:40:15,884 --> 01:40:20,305 you go, "Why carry a grudge or be unhappy?" 2006 01:40:20,347 --> 01:40:22,516 You realize, you know, you don't get 2007 01:40:22,558 --> 01:40:24,977 these kind of friendships, really good, 2008 01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:27,855 strong friendships. They're so hard to get. 2009 01:40:27,896 --> 01:40:29,857 So, this is a wonderful, wonderful time 2010 01:40:29,898 --> 01:40:31,692 of all of our lives. 2011 01:40:31,734 --> 01:40:33,485 Heaven and Hell has made great difference 2012 01:40:33,527 --> 01:40:36,363 in just my, my attitude as a human being now. 2013 01:40:36,405 --> 01:40:38,866 Let him go He can't come back 2014 01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:44,371 He's reading from the Bible Black 2015 01:40:44,413 --> 01:40:47,082 Heaven and Hell took off. It was killer. 2016 01:40:47,124 --> 01:40:50,586 Got a great reception. The album did really well. 2017 01:40:50,627 --> 01:40:54,006 Heaven and Hell embodied a time when the big, 2018 01:40:54,048 --> 01:40:59,386 major, important heavy metal stars were authentic. 2019 01:40:59,428 --> 01:41:02,556 They didn't learn it from the bands that came before. 2020 01:41:02,598 --> 01:41:06,101 They didn't learn it from MTV. They invented it. 2021 01:41:06,143 --> 01:41:08,687 Heaven and Hell is an important band 2022 01:41:08,729 --> 01:41:10,898 because they came along at a time 2023 01:41:10,939 --> 01:41:12,900 when you need a kick in the ass. 2024 01:41:12,941 --> 01:41:15,861 And there's this man all these years later, 2025 01:41:15,903 --> 01:41:18,781 still loving what he does to do as a legendary singer. 2026 01:41:18,822 --> 01:41:22,201 That's remarkable, considering we go all the way back 2027 01:41:22,242 --> 01:41:24,912 to The Red Caps. 2028 01:41:24,953 --> 01:41:27,581 It was like all the chickens were coming home 2029 01:41:27,623 --> 01:41:30,584 to roost, and Heaven and Hell was as much 2030 01:41:30,626 --> 01:41:34,713 about the culmination of his journey, his music, 2031 01:41:34,755 --> 01:41:37,925 his universe, the love he gave out every night 2032 01:41:37,966 --> 01:41:39,593 he walked on stage. 2033 01:41:39,635 --> 01:41:41,428 It seemed to me that Heaven and Hell 2034 01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:46,058 was the encompassment of all that good stuff. 2035 01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:48,602 It was awesome. I went to a couple of different shows. 2036 01:41:48,644 --> 01:41:52,231 There he was in a 20,000-seat arena again. 2037 01:41:52,272 --> 01:41:54,274 And it was like, "Ah, you're back home, man." 2038 01:41:54,316 --> 01:41:57,319 Thank you! 2039 01:42:10,958 --> 01:42:12,960 It was absolutely fantastic. 2040 01:42:13,001 --> 01:42:15,129 Everybody was enjoying what we were doing. 2041 01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:17,256 And I remember sitting with Ronnie and saying, 2042 01:42:17,297 --> 01:42:19,174 "You know, do you fancy doing another album?" 2043 01:42:19,216 --> 01:42:22,803 He said, "Yeah, I'll be up for that." 2044 01:42:22,845 --> 01:42:25,806 But of course, we never did. 2045 01:42:28,350 --> 01:42:30,394 This is Damian with BlackSabbath.com here, 2046 01:42:30,435 --> 01:42:32,271 backstage with Ronnie James Dio 2047 01:42:32,312 --> 01:42:33,981 after performing the last show on the tour. 2048 01:42:34,022 --> 01:42:36,984 Ronnie, sum up the tour for us. How was it? 2049 01:42:37,025 --> 01:42:41,321 Uh, it was, uh, tiring. It was... 2050 01:42:41,363 --> 01:42:43,157 Every show was great, as always. 2051 01:42:43,198 --> 01:42:44,825 This band is never not great. 2052 01:42:44,867 --> 01:42:46,827 Uh, it was... It was very productive. 2053 01:42:46,869 --> 01:42:48,829 We've been on the road for such a long, long time. 2054 01:42:48,871 --> 01:42:50,622 Uh, you know, the music made all the difference, 2055 01:42:50,664 --> 01:42:52,166 the shows we did made all the difference. 2056 01:42:52,207 --> 01:42:53,667 And that's all why we do it. 2057 01:42:53,709 --> 01:42:55,335 So, I guess I'll you know, 2058 01:42:55,377 --> 01:42:57,504 I'll give it a nine and a half out of ten. 2059 01:42:57,546 --> 01:42:59,548 And is that half point because of a little bit of sadness 2060 01:42:59,590 --> 01:43:01,508 that now the tour is ending? 2061 01:43:01,550 --> 01:43:02,885 Or is this actually the beginning, 2062 01:43:02,926 --> 01:43:04,636 the start of something new? 2063 01:43:04,678 --> 01:43:06,346 You always say, "Well, gee, maybe I... 2064 01:43:06,388 --> 01:43:10,142 I'm going home. Oh, what am I gonna do when I get home? 2065 01:43:10,184 --> 01:43:11,810 Maybe we should have done more." 2066 01:43:11,852 --> 01:43:13,312 Of course, there's always sadness for that, 2067 01:43:13,353 --> 01:43:15,522 but, uh, we will do... we'll do more, 2068 01:43:15,564 --> 01:43:17,274 and we'll probably do another album, 2069 01:43:17,316 --> 01:43:19,484 and I'm sure we'll certainly do another tour. 2070 01:43:19,526 --> 01:43:22,863 And for me, I know nothing else other than to... to play. 2071 01:43:26,491 --> 01:43:28,744 Yeah, it was on the last... We didn't know 2072 01:43:28,785 --> 01:43:31,580 it was the last tour at the time. Heaven and Hell. 2073 01:43:31,622 --> 01:43:34,541 And before he was going on stage, he'd be, like, 2074 01:43:34,583 --> 01:43:39,046 doubled up some nights, terrible pain in the stomach. 2075 01:43:39,087 --> 01:43:42,049 And we're going, "Come on, Ronnie. Go and see a doctor." 2076 01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:44,051 And he's going, "No, it will pass. It will pass." 2077 01:43:44,092 --> 01:43:45,802 And he'd go on, as if nothing 2078 01:43:45,844 --> 01:43:47,471 was going on when he got on stage. 2079 01:43:47,512 --> 01:43:49,181 He was just the usual Ronnie. 2080 01:43:49,223 --> 01:43:51,141 He wouldn't let it interfere with him. 2081 01:43:51,183 --> 01:43:53,810 And then, he'd come off and he'd be doubled up in pain. 2082 01:43:53,852 --> 01:43:55,479 He'd had problems for about a year 2083 01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,899 of, um, indigestion. 2084 01:43:58,941 --> 01:44:02,319 So he did a blood test. The doctor called me 2085 01:44:02,361 --> 01:44:04,154 and he said, "It's not good news." 2086 01:44:04,196 --> 01:44:06,865 somber instrumental 2087 01:44:06,907 --> 01:44:10,744 When we first found out that he had cancer, 2088 01:44:10,786 --> 01:44:14,081 the two of us cried all night. 2089 01:44:14,122 --> 01:44:16,541 My life fell apart then. 2090 01:44:16,583 --> 01:44:20,170 I...Actually, Ronnie was comforting me. 2091 01:44:20,212 --> 01:44:22,923 That night, when we both cried, he was comforting me 2092 01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:26,260 'cause I was hysterically crying. I couldn't... 2093 01:44:26,301 --> 01:44:30,347 I just couldn't think of life without Ronnie. 2094 01:44:30,389 --> 01:44:32,766 You know, I mean, I just couldn't think of life 2095 01:44:32,808 --> 01:44:34,685 without Ronnie at all. 2096 01:44:34,726 --> 01:44:37,729 And he was comforting me, telling me, 2097 01:44:37,771 --> 01:44:40,274 "It's going to be ok, it's going to be ok." 2098 01:44:40,315 --> 01:44:42,526 somber music 2099 01:44:42,567 --> 01:44:47,281 Every time I tried to express concern and direct 2100 01:44:47,322 --> 01:44:49,116 the conversation towards what he was dealing with 2101 01:44:49,157 --> 01:44:51,410 and let him know that I loved him and I cared for him, 2102 01:44:51,451 --> 01:44:53,787 and I was there for him, if I could do anything for him, 2103 01:44:53,829 --> 01:44:56,873 a lot of the conversation was about him lifting me up 2104 01:44:56,915 --> 01:44:59,459 and making me feel good. 2105 01:44:59,501 --> 01:45:01,628 Where I was supposed to be doing that to him, 2106 01:45:01,670 --> 01:45:04,965 as much as I tried, that kept coming back to me. 2107 01:45:05,007 --> 01:45:07,551 Ronnie lost the eyesight in one of his eyes. 2108 01:45:07,592 --> 01:45:10,429 Also, his hands started shaking as well. 2109 01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:12,014 Did he lose his voice? 2110 01:45:12,055 --> 01:45:15,267 No. No. Never lost his voice. No. 2111 01:45:15,309 --> 01:45:18,437 Um, no. That would have killed him. 2112 01:45:18,478 --> 01:45:22,107 A heavy metal music icon is in Houston 2113 01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:24,484 dealing with some serious health issues. 2114 01:45:24,526 --> 01:45:26,486 The staff are just so wonderful. 2115 01:45:26,528 --> 01:45:28,822 They just are the best people, as you can see. 2116 01:45:28,864 --> 01:45:30,782 This is the Ronnie James Dio 2117 01:45:30,824 --> 01:45:32,659 few people have ever seen. 2118 01:45:32,701 --> 01:45:35,370 He's a bit soft-spoken. He's relaxed. 2119 01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:38,081 Dio has stomach cancer. 2120 01:45:38,123 --> 01:45:40,292 You know, I've been poked and prodded in holes 2121 01:45:40,334 --> 01:45:42,127 I didn't know I had before, and they probably 2122 01:45:42,169 --> 01:45:44,463 made a few new ones. I don't even know where they are. 2123 01:45:44,504 --> 01:45:46,673 I'm lucky that I am a very, you know, 2124 01:45:46,715 --> 01:45:48,842 hard person and strong within my beliefs. 2125 01:45:48,884 --> 01:45:50,844 Dio calls this experience 2126 01:45:50,886 --> 01:45:52,637 "Something to roll with." 2127 01:45:52,679 --> 01:45:54,973 I refuse to be beaten in any way, shape or form 2128 01:45:55,015 --> 01:45:56,516 so I'm going to beat this, too. 2129 01:45:56,558 --> 01:45:58,018 I just want to get better. 2130 01:45:58,060 --> 01:46:00,270 I just want to be cured, you know? 2131 01:46:00,312 --> 01:46:02,606 They were trying a lot of experimental drugs on him. 2132 01:46:02,647 --> 01:46:05,359 So, eyesight came completely back. 2133 01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:06,943 His hands stopped shaking. 2134 01:46:06,985 --> 01:46:09,613 Wendy Dio is always with him. 2135 01:46:09,654 --> 01:46:11,740 The treatment seems to be working. 2136 01:46:11,782 --> 01:46:16,286 She says the tumor in his stomach is getting smaller. 2137 01:46:16,328 --> 01:46:18,246 We used to call it "killing the dragon." 2138 01:46:18,288 --> 01:46:19,581 We used to skip down the halls going, 2139 01:46:19,623 --> 01:46:20,916 "We're killing the dragon. 2140 01:46:20,957 --> 01:46:23,585 We're coming to kill the dragon." 2141 01:46:23,627 --> 01:46:26,588 And the Golden God goes to... 2142 01:46:26,630 --> 01:46:31,468 Ah! Ronnie James Dio! 2143 01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:34,805 About the Golden Gods, I remember very much that 2144 01:46:34,846 --> 01:46:37,349 because that was the night that we thought, 2145 01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,018 "This is it. He's back on track." 2146 01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,854 It's great to be back amongst people again. 2147 01:46:42,896 --> 01:46:45,273 It's been a little while since I've been able to do that, 2148 01:46:45,315 --> 01:46:47,317 but I feel pretty good. 2149 01:46:47,359 --> 01:46:50,070 Can't wait to get back on the stage again. Thank you. 2150 01:46:50,112 --> 01:46:51,446 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 2151 01:46:51,488 --> 01:46:52,864 I love everybody. Thanks a lot. 2152 01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:58,036 Dio, Dio, Dio! 2153 01:46:58,078 --> 01:47:00,580 "Dio, Dio, Dio." Yeah, they were chanting 2154 01:47:00,622 --> 01:47:05,252 because I think that they also were being as positive as I was. 2155 01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:06,628 It's all going to be over. 2156 01:47:06,670 --> 01:47:08,004 It's all going to be a bad dream. 2157 01:47:08,046 --> 01:47:09,881 Dio! Dio! Dio! 2158 01:47:19,015 --> 01:47:21,143 During Angry Machines, 2159 01:47:21,184 --> 01:47:23,186 the first record I ever made with him, 2160 01:47:23,228 --> 01:47:25,730 the record was done, 2161 01:47:25,772 --> 01:47:29,151 and he came in and he said, "I wanna do one more song." 2162 01:47:29,192 --> 01:47:31,945 And I thought, "Oh, really? You mean, so..." 2163 01:47:31,987 --> 01:47:35,073 I thought he meant, you know, bring the whole band in. 2164 01:47:35,115 --> 01:47:36,658 And he said, "Oh, no, it's just gonna be 2165 01:47:36,700 --> 01:47:38,076 just me and some piano." 2166 01:47:38,118 --> 01:47:39,369 And I thought, "Oh, ok, cool." 2167 01:47:39,411 --> 01:47:41,830 And just went out and sang that song, 2168 01:47:41,872 --> 01:47:43,582 "This is Your Life." 2169 01:47:51,965 --> 01:47:55,927 There are people in this world that are... 2170 01:47:55,969 --> 01:47:59,681 There are people that make the world a better place. 2171 01:47:59,723 --> 01:48:05,479 Who cares what came before 2172 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:10,817 We were only starlight 2173 01:48:12,569 --> 01:48:15,989 One day then nevermore 2174 01:48:16,031 --> 01:48:20,619 And he was one of them. 2175 01:48:20,660 --> 01:48:25,665 Because we're whispers in the wind 2176 01:48:25,707 --> 01:48:28,543 He was in the hospital. Everybody left. 2177 01:48:28,585 --> 01:48:31,838 I slept on the bed with him, holding his hand. 2178 01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,592 It was like 7:15 in the morning, 2179 01:48:35,634 --> 01:48:39,429 and he just, like, shot up and looked at me. 2180 01:48:39,471 --> 01:48:41,223 And I was calling the nurse. It's fine. 2181 01:48:41,264 --> 01:48:43,767 Like, what's happened? And then he died. 2182 01:48:43,808 --> 01:48:46,728 It was like... it was like, almost like he said goodbye. 2183 01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:51,900 This is your life This is your time 2184 01:48:51,942 --> 01:48:56,279 What if the flame won't last forever? 2185 01:48:56,321 --> 01:49:00,534 Ronnie and I had a mutual friend that called me, 2186 01:49:00,575 --> 01:49:02,994 and I heard him in tears, 2187 01:49:03,036 --> 01:49:05,997 and he just said to me, "He's gone." 2188 01:49:06,039 --> 01:49:08,959 And, um... 2189 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,378 Sorry, 'cause it's still... 2190 01:49:15,924 --> 01:49:17,676 Ronnie was that special, man. 2191 01:49:17,717 --> 01:49:21,304 All these years later, it can still hit ya. 2192 01:49:21,346 --> 01:49:26,017 He was the heart and soul of so many things, 2193 01:49:26,059 --> 01:49:28,186 so much music. 2194 01:49:28,228 --> 01:49:31,273 You don't always see that while it's happening 2195 01:49:31,314 --> 01:49:34,568 because you feel like there's gonna be more. 2196 01:49:34,609 --> 01:49:38,655 When Ronnie died, there wasn't more. 2197 01:49:38,697 --> 01:49:41,616 There's not more Ronnies out there. 2198 01:49:45,954 --> 01:49:50,000 He was the real deal. That's who he was... is. 2199 01:49:50,041 --> 01:49:51,793 To me it's all about "is." 2200 01:49:51,835 --> 01:49:53,420 Ronnie still is in my head, 2201 01:49:53,461 --> 01:49:57,340 in my ears, you know, in my heart. 2202 01:49:57,382 --> 01:50:01,720 Most importantly, the music is what lets us know 2203 01:50:01,761 --> 01:50:03,179 that Ronnie is alive and living with us. 2204 01:50:03,221 --> 01:50:05,557 Ronnie's beautiful messages in his songs, 2205 01:50:05,599 --> 01:50:07,309 you know, they're lifting people. 2206 01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:10,687 They're helping people get through their own challenges. 2207 01:50:10,729 --> 01:50:11,938 These are the beautiful elements of Ronnie 2208 01:50:11,980 --> 01:50:13,398 that will live forever. 2209 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,775 That's why he's everlasting. 2210 01:50:15,817 --> 01:50:18,278 And that's one of the things he once said to me. 2211 01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:22,574 He said, "The important thing is it isn't just what you do 2212 01:50:22,616 --> 01:50:26,077 and what you learn," He said, "You gotta pass it on. 2213 01:50:26,119 --> 01:50:29,956 Then you've lived a life worth living." 2214 01:50:29,998 --> 01:50:32,917 And now he passed his message on to millions of us. 2215 01:50:32,959 --> 01:50:36,129 The message is, if you do put your heart and soul 2216 01:50:36,171 --> 01:50:39,716 into something, no one can take that away from you. 2217 01:50:39,758 --> 01:50:41,384 If you really have something to say, 2218 01:50:41,426 --> 01:50:42,927 if you have that love in your heart, 2219 01:50:42,969 --> 01:50:46,473 that really is the most important thing. 2220 01:50:48,975 --> 01:50:51,269 There's a quote that I live by, 2221 01:50:51,311 --> 01:50:53,521 that Ronnie definitely nailed, 2222 01:50:53,563 --> 01:50:55,649 is from Horace Mann, the educator. 2223 01:50:55,690 --> 01:50:57,484 He said, "Be ashamed to die 2224 01:50:57,525 --> 01:51:01,780 until you've won some victory for mankind." 2225 01:51:01,821 --> 01:51:04,199 Ronnie ought not be ashamed. 2226 01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,326 This is your life 2227 01:51:06,368 --> 01:51:08,370 This is your time 2228 01:51:08,411 --> 01:51:11,247 Look at your world 2229 01:51:11,289 --> 01:51:16,503 This is your life 2230 01:51:17,212 --> 01:51:19,714 I still talk to him, but it's not like talking to him. 2231 01:51:19,756 --> 01:51:24,761 You know? I miss him. 2232 01:51:24,803 --> 01:51:27,430 The fans are still there. 2233 01:51:27,472 --> 01:51:30,350 I'm sure Ronnie would love to know that. 2234 01:51:30,392 --> 01:51:33,520 He would love to know that his memory is still there. 2235 01:51:33,561 --> 01:51:35,480 He's not forgotten. He'll never be forgotten. 2236 01:51:35,522 --> 01:51:38,483 I will never allow him to be forgotten as long as I live. 2237 01:51:50,328 --> 01:51:55,208 I believe in reincarnation. 2238 01:51:55,250 --> 01:51:57,335 I think you have to be the ultimate being 2239 01:51:57,377 --> 01:51:59,379 before you get to that point. 2240 01:51:59,421 --> 01:52:01,381 You have to keep coming back till you get it right. 2241 01:52:01,423 --> 01:52:06,261 I think Ronnie got it right. 2242 01:52:06,302 --> 01:52:08,888 I really think he got it right. 2243 01:52:58,313 --> 01:53:01,941 We're the ship without a storm 2244 01:53:01,983 --> 01:53:04,569 The cold without the warm 2245 01:53:04,611 --> 01:53:07,155 Light inside the darkness 2246 01:53:07,197 --> 01:53:10,992 That it needs, yeah 2247 01:53:11,034 --> 01:53:14,621 We're a laugh without tear 2248 01:53:14,662 --> 01:53:17,332 The hope without the fear 2249 01:53:17,373 --> 01:53:23,288 We are coming... 2250 01:53:23,630 --> 01:53:28,551 Home 2251 01:53:45,985 --> 01:53:48,822 We're off to the witch 2252 01:53:48,863 --> 01:53:51,407 We may never, never, never, come home 2253 01:53:51,449 --> 01:53:54,077 But the magic that we'll feel 2254 01:53:54,118 --> 01:53:56,329 Is worth the lifetime 2255 01:53:56,371 --> 01:53:59,833 We're all born upon the cross 2256 01:53:59,874 --> 01:54:02,418 We're the throw before the toss 2257 01:54:02,460 --> 01:54:04,587 You can release yourself 2258 01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:08,299 But the only way is down 2259 01:54:08,341 --> 01:54:10,885 We don't come alone 2260 01:54:10,927 --> 01:54:13,763 We are fire, we are stone 2261 01:54:13,805 --> 01:54:15,431 We're the hand that writes 2262 01:54:15,473 --> 01:54:20,436 Then quickly moves away 2263 01:54:20,478 --> 01:54:25,441 We'll know for the first time 2264 01:54:27,610 --> 01:54:29,988 If we're evil or divine 2265 01:54:30,029 --> 01:54:34,325 We're the last in line 2266 01:54:34,367 --> 01:54:35,326 Yeah 2267 01:54:35,368 --> 01:54:38,913 We're the last in line 2268 01:54:40,707 --> 01:54:44,502 See how we shine 2269 01:54:44,544 --> 01:54:46,362 We're the last in 2270 01:54:46,504 --> 01:54:47,739 We're the last in 2271 01:54:47,881 --> 01:54:49,407 We're the last in 2272 01:54:49,549 --> 01:54:50,784 We're the last in 2273 01:54:50,925 --> 01:54:52,218 We're the last in 2274 01:54:52,260 --> 01:54:55,346 We're the first in line 2275 01:54:55,388 --> 01:54:58,349 Oh-oh 2276 01:55:04,105 --> 01:55:06,524 We're a ship without a storm 2277 01:55:06,566 --> 01:55:09,152 We're the cold inside the warm 2278 01:55:09,193 --> 01:55:11,946 We're the laugh without the tear 2279 01:55:11,988 --> 01:55:14,616 We're the smile without the mirror 2280 01:55:14,657 --> 01:55:17,560 We're the last in line 2281 01:55:17,702 --> 01:55:20,188 We're the last in line 2282 01:55:20,330 --> 01:55:22,540 We're the last in line 2283 01:55:22,582 --> 01:55:25,293 See how we shine 2284 01:55:25,335 --> 01:55:31,299 We're the last in line 178448

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