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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:38,168 --> 00:00:39,778 Breaking just into our newsroom, 2 00:00:39,865 --> 00:00:41,954 a suspicious death investigation. 3 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:43,130 Deputies responded to the house 4 00:00:43,217 --> 00:00:44,392 for a well-being check 5 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,742 when they found a gruesome situation. 6 00:00:46,829 --> 00:00:50,267 Three dead from apparent gunshot wounds. 7 00:00:50,354 --> 00:00:54,054 Adding to the mystery, no sign of forced entry. 8 00:00:54,141 --> 00:00:59,320 One victim is in the garage, one in the kitchen area, 9 00:00:59,407 --> 00:01:02,018 then another is in the family office. 10 00:01:02,105 --> 00:01:03,759 - Grant Amato. - Grant Amato. 11 00:01:03,846 --> 00:01:04,803 Grant Amato. 12 00:01:04,890 --> 00:01:06,283 Armed and dangerous. 13 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:08,155 Grant Amato is accused of killing 14 00:01:08,242 --> 00:01:09,939 his parents and his brother. 15 00:01:10,026 --> 00:01:13,203 Just a horrific experience for everybody. 16 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:14,465 A crime scene like that is not 17 00:01:14,552 --> 00:01:17,642 an easy thing to walk into. 18 00:01:17,729 --> 00:01:19,383 It's a family. 19 00:01:19,470 --> 00:01:23,300 They have a story, and you're there to try and figure out 20 00:01:23,387 --> 00:01:25,085 what the story is. 21 00:01:33,354 --> 00:01:35,095 Whoever did this crime killed three people 22 00:01:35,182 --> 00:01:36,705 with four bullets. 23 00:01:36,792 --> 00:01:38,402 I don't think it was something that happened 24 00:01:38,489 --> 00:01:39,490 in the heat of the moment. 25 00:01:59,510 --> 00:02:01,338 I've never interviewed somebody like him. 26 00:02:01,425 --> 00:02:03,993 Very cold. 27 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,691 We were all just in awe. 28 00:02:10,565 --> 00:02:14,786 There appeared to be some type of tears, 29 00:02:14,873 --> 00:02:16,353 but I didn't believe they were real. 30 00:02:55,087 --> 00:02:58,134 My life was easy. 31 00:02:58,221 --> 00:02:59,918 He was obsessed with her. 32 00:03:00,005 --> 00:03:01,746 It's a heinous crime. 33 00:03:01,833 --> 00:03:04,184 I didn't do any of this. 34 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:34,665 When the Amato case happened, I was 35 00:04:34,752 --> 00:04:38,147 working at a daily newspaper for about two years. 36 00:04:38,234 --> 00:04:39,931 We received a notification 37 00:04:40,018 --> 00:04:41,716 from the Seminole County Sheriff's Office 38 00:04:41,803 --> 00:04:43,979 notifying us of a triple homicide 39 00:04:44,066 --> 00:04:47,896 just south of Chuluota, a really rural area 40 00:04:47,983 --> 00:04:50,072 of Seminole County. 41 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:55,207 Mr. Amato, come forward, please, best you can. 42 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,819 We got notification that a new murder case came in, 43 00:04:57,906 --> 00:05:00,038 and then based on that, we go see the client, which is 44 00:05:00,125 --> 00:05:01,823 our first step in the process. 45 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:03,172 Raise your right hand best you can. 46 00:05:03,259 --> 00:05:04,782 Be ready to be sworn. 47 00:05:04,869 --> 00:05:06,393 Do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony 48 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,568 you're about to give will be the complete truth, 49 00:05:07,655 --> 00:05:08,656 so help you God? 50 00:05:08,743 --> 00:05:10,788 Thank you. 51 00:05:10,875 --> 00:05:14,009 We were expecting somebody to come in that was going to be 52 00:05:14,096 --> 00:05:17,229 very emotional, crying, things of that nature, 53 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:19,754 and it was anything but that. 54 00:05:19,841 --> 00:05:22,583 When he described what was going on with him, 55 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:24,541 that's when it appeared very clearly 56 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:27,283 that he was an abnormal criminal defense client. 57 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:30,721 The jury was seated last night, 58 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:33,376 and today both sides delivered opening statements. 59 00:05:33,463 --> 00:05:36,771 Prosecutors say Amato staged a murder-suicide scene. 60 00:05:36,858 --> 00:05:38,381 Mr. Amato wants his day in court. 61 00:05:38,468 --> 00:05:40,601 We're going to get it for him. 62 00:05:40,688 --> 00:05:42,298 The Seminole District Attorney's Office decided 63 00:05:42,385 --> 00:05:43,560 to pursue the death penalty. 64 00:05:43,647 --> 00:05:47,259 The stage was set for Grant's trial. 65 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,478 He was on trial for his life. 66 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:53,788 This is a criminal case. 67 00:05:53,875 --> 00:05:56,921 Grant Amato is charged with first-degree 68 00:05:57,008 --> 00:05:58,270 premeditated murder. 69 00:05:58,358 --> 00:06:00,708 It is your solemn responsibility 70 00:06:00,795 --> 00:06:03,363 to determine if the state proved its accusation 71 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:06,191 beyond a reasonable doubt. 72 00:06:06,278 --> 00:06:08,672 The prosecution's case was very clinical. 73 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,894 It sort of laid out the struggles that this family 74 00:06:12,981 --> 00:06:15,810 had been going through. 75 00:06:15,897 --> 00:06:19,640 This is 2112 Sultan Circle. 76 00:06:21,685 --> 00:06:24,427 Inside that house 77 00:06:24,514 --> 00:06:26,951 are the dead bodies of Margaret Amato, 78 00:06:27,038 --> 00:06:28,910 Chad Amato, 79 00:06:28,997 --> 00:06:32,348 Cody Amato, 80 00:06:32,435 --> 00:06:37,788 each shot through the head execution-style. 81 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:40,487 The Amatos were a very close family. 82 00:06:40,574 --> 00:06:42,793 They lived at home, all together. 83 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,102 They spent the majority of their time together. 84 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:51,672 Margaret Amato was a loving and caring mother. 85 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:54,718 Chad was the provider for his family 86 00:06:54,805 --> 00:06:58,809 and worked very hard to give his family a good life. 87 00:06:58,896 --> 00:07:02,378 Cody Amato was a very good friend to others. 88 00:07:02,465 --> 00:07:04,728 Obviously, he went out of his way 89 00:07:04,815 --> 00:07:06,904 to help Grant out way more than you would 90 00:07:06,991 --> 00:07:09,516 expect a normal sibling to do. 91 00:07:09,603 --> 00:07:13,041 This was a good, wholesome family. 92 00:07:13,128 --> 00:07:14,782 It's just sad that something like this could have happened. 93 00:07:38,327 --> 00:07:40,111 But why? 94 00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:42,331 What was his motive? 95 00:07:42,418 --> 00:07:44,115 Why did he kill his family? 96 00:07:47,075 --> 00:07:51,558 The answer to that question lies across the ocean, 97 00:07:51,645 --> 00:07:56,867 in Bulgaria, and a woman named Silvie. 98 00:07:56,954 --> 00:07:59,522 Silvie is an internet cam model. 99 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:06,834 The defendant, Grant Amato, became addicted to her. 100 00:08:09,184 --> 00:08:10,881 Thank you so much, Grant. 101 00:08:10,968 --> 00:08:13,101 Thank you so, so, so much. 102 00:08:13,188 --> 00:08:14,755 Thank you. Thank you. 103 00:08:14,842 --> 00:08:16,800 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 104 00:08:16,887 --> 00:08:19,934 Thank you. 105 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:22,937 That's what this case is about: 106 00:08:23,024 --> 00:08:27,681 his blind obsession with this woman 107 00:08:27,768 --> 00:08:31,554 and his absolute contempt for those 108 00:08:31,641 --> 00:08:33,556 that he held responsible. 109 00:08:33,643 --> 00:08:39,257 My relationship with Silviya was like-- 110 00:08:39,344 --> 00:08:42,696 it was like a buoy in the ocean. 111 00:08:42,783 --> 00:08:46,351 I was not successful at the time. 112 00:08:46,438 --> 00:08:47,962 You know, I had lost a lot of traction 113 00:08:48,049 --> 00:08:51,487 with my family, my career goals, 114 00:08:51,574 --> 00:08:54,272 my life path. 115 00:08:54,359 --> 00:08:56,361 She didn't know all the negatives 116 00:08:56,448 --> 00:08:59,364 that were going on in my life, so I could just 117 00:08:59,451 --> 00:09:02,759 get lost in that relationship. 118 00:09:02,846 --> 00:09:04,979 A lot of these men, they're not 119 00:09:05,066 --> 00:09:08,373 just logging in for immediate sexual gratification. 120 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:10,811 They want what in sexual economies 121 00:09:10,898 --> 00:09:14,031 we often characterize as the girlfriend experience. 122 00:09:15,903 --> 00:09:18,993 They're not looking for a wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. 123 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,386 They want to spend time. 124 00:09:21,473 --> 00:09:23,693 They want to have conversation. 125 00:09:23,780 --> 00:09:26,914 They're looking for emotional support. 126 00:09:47,151 --> 00:09:50,807 It's not only about getting naked on the show. 127 00:09:50,894 --> 00:09:54,289 The members are looking for intimacy. 128 00:09:57,031 --> 00:09:59,686 You want to offer a full experience of interaction, 129 00:09:59,773 --> 00:10:02,340 you have to be genuine, you know. 130 00:10:02,427 --> 00:10:04,691 We have to be more understanding, more friendly, 131 00:10:04,778 --> 00:10:06,518 more present for the members. 132 00:10:11,132 --> 00:10:14,875 They want to share their feelings, their experience. 133 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:18,661 Maybe some of the members are going 134 00:10:18,748 --> 00:10:22,883 through some rough times, and the model's job 135 00:10:22,970 --> 00:10:24,624 is to help him emotionally, 136 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:27,714 like a therapy session. 137 00:10:27,801 --> 00:10:30,238 I've done therapy with members online 138 00:10:30,325 --> 00:10:33,458 for as long as I've known myself as a cam model. 139 00:10:33,545 --> 00:10:37,767 And I think that being a psychotherapist online, 140 00:10:37,854 --> 00:10:41,858 even if it's a role-play, it can be beneficial to the people 141 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:43,730 that are looking for this. 142 00:10:46,602 --> 00:10:52,086 This seems like yet another unfortunate opportunity 143 00:10:52,173 --> 00:10:56,133 to talk about the rise of loneliness, 144 00:10:56,220 --> 00:11:01,704 especially in isolation on devices and online and the way 145 00:11:01,791 --> 00:11:04,751 that that can compromise people's mental health. 146 00:11:10,931 --> 00:11:12,715 Do you still think about Silvie? 147 00:11:12,802 --> 00:11:14,108 I do. 148 00:11:14,195 --> 00:11:15,936 I think about Silvie on a regular basis. 149 00:11:16,023 --> 00:11:20,070 She's--she'll always be, you know, an important 150 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:21,593 aspect of my life. 151 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,421 You know, it was very therapeutic 152 00:11:23,508 --> 00:11:25,075 to interact with her. 153 00:11:25,162 --> 00:11:26,729 She was like a lifeline. 154 00:11:34,824 --> 00:11:38,175 So I'm going to call a friend, a member. 155 00:11:38,262 --> 00:11:40,830 We've been knowing each other for, like, 156 00:11:40,917 --> 00:11:43,485 five or six years already. 157 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:48,708 Hey. 158 00:11:50,622 --> 00:11:54,017 I'm so curious what you were doing this past week 159 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:55,497 that you were so quiet. 160 00:11:58,587 --> 00:11:59,980 Yeah. 161 00:12:02,547 --> 00:12:06,813 Yeah, you do spoil me a lot with your presents and all. 162 00:12:10,468 --> 00:12:11,861 Why you didn't tell me? 163 00:12:15,169 --> 00:12:17,998 It doesn't matter. You should have told me. 164 00:12:22,654 --> 00:12:24,395 It might be anxiety attacks, 165 00:12:24,482 --> 00:12:26,789 because I often have those too. 166 00:12:26,876 --> 00:12:30,358 Did you actually ever try to find a psychologist, maybe? 167 00:12:39,062 --> 00:12:41,891 I know there is a lot of stigma, especially 168 00:12:41,978 --> 00:12:45,242 in the whole world, about mental health, 169 00:12:45,329 --> 00:12:49,029 and to me it's really important to bring some light 170 00:12:49,116 --> 00:12:52,032 into that aspect of our lives. 171 00:12:56,297 --> 00:12:59,256 I'm glad that can bring some positivity there. 172 00:12:59,343 --> 00:13:00,388 Mm-hmm. 173 00:13:00,475 --> 00:13:02,216 And you bring it too. 174 00:13:02,303 --> 00:13:05,436 That's what I say, it's a two-way street. 175 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:10,702 Oh, don't start-- don't start crying. 176 00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:13,357 No. Come on. 177 00:13:13,444 --> 00:13:14,532 This is happy. 178 00:13:14,619 --> 00:13:16,012 Happy moments. - Yeah. 179 00:13:21,713 --> 00:13:24,804 True. I agree with that fully. 180 00:13:24,891 --> 00:13:30,418 Unfortunately, so many people forget that loving themselves 181 00:13:30,505 --> 00:13:32,420 is the most important part. 182 00:13:47,652 --> 00:13:49,219 Grant. 183 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:51,134 Hey, Tom. 184 00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:52,222 Let me just double-check that we're recording. 185 00:13:52,309 --> 00:13:54,268 Sorry, I get so paranoid. 186 00:13:54,355 --> 00:13:56,183 No, you're good. 187 00:13:56,270 --> 00:13:58,011 So new phone. 188 00:13:58,098 --> 00:13:59,621 I did get a new phone. 189 00:13:59,708 --> 00:14:00,970 How'd it happen? 190 00:14:01,057 --> 00:14:02,319 It was just an impulse buy. 191 00:14:02,406 --> 00:14:04,147 OK. 192 00:14:04,234 --> 00:14:05,888 And, you know, I hate to be so dramatic, 193 00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:07,542 but do you mind if we start off talking 194 00:14:07,629 --> 00:14:09,674 about, you know, some family members? 195 00:14:09,761 --> 00:14:12,460 No. That's fine. 196 00:14:12,547 --> 00:14:13,765 How would you characterize your relationship 197 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:17,073 with your father? 198 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,163 Hmm. 199 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:23,123 My relationship with my father. 200 00:14:26,691 --> 00:14:30,217 Well, my relationship with my old man was-- 201 00:14:44,318 --> 00:14:48,017 It was... 202 00:14:48,104 --> 00:14:51,107 taxing. 203 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:54,197 So he was very-- 204 00:14:54,284 --> 00:14:56,417 very polar in, like, the way that he acts. 205 00:14:56,504 --> 00:15:00,812 He would be an extreme, positive, happy, you know, 206 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,989 carefree at one moment, and then he 207 00:15:03,076 --> 00:15:07,123 would be extremely angry, explosive, you know, 208 00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:10,997 destructive, all of that, the next moment. 209 00:15:11,084 --> 00:15:12,824 Chad was a very structured individual. 210 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:13,913 This is what you're going to do. 211 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,088 You're going to work. 212 00:15:15,175 --> 00:15:16,350 You know, you're going to go to school. 213 00:15:16,437 --> 00:15:17,829 You're going to do this. You're going to do that. 214 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:19,570 And he was very regimented. 215 00:15:19,657 --> 00:15:21,529 Oh, Chad Amato definitely came off as controlling, 216 00:15:21,616 --> 00:15:23,052 for sure, and regimented. 217 00:15:23,139 --> 00:15:26,055 Regimented, controlling, detail-oriented. 218 00:15:26,142 --> 00:15:29,319 He seemed like he wanted his children 219 00:15:29,406 --> 00:15:32,975 to go in a certain direction, that if those expectations 220 00:15:33,062 --> 00:15:35,543 were not met, that he would be very angry. 221 00:15:52,821 --> 00:15:54,475 So I think that that was always, 222 00:15:54,562 --> 00:15:57,739 like, an internal strife that my dad had to deal with, 223 00:15:57,826 --> 00:16:02,004 was this constant desire to always be in control. 224 00:16:04,398 --> 00:16:06,530 A Seminole County man is accused of killing 225 00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,097 his mom, dad, and brother. 226 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:10,882 Prosecutors say he killed them after an argument 227 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:14,364 over $200,000, which they say he sent to an online 228 00:16:14,451 --> 00:16:15,887 call girl overseas. 229 00:16:18,673 --> 00:16:22,459 A lot of digital evidence was coming fast and furious, 230 00:16:22,546 --> 00:16:23,634 and none of it was good. 231 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:24,896 None of it was good. 232 00:16:30,032 --> 00:16:32,730 The contents of Grant's computer 233 00:16:32,817 --> 00:16:36,125 was mainly financial crimes and ID fraud. 234 00:16:43,567 --> 00:16:45,787 What he was really doing is he was committing fraud, 235 00:16:45,874 --> 00:16:47,963 signing up for false credit cards, 236 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:50,748 taking out fraudulent loans, all to finance 237 00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:52,011 his relationship with Silvie. 238 00:16:52,098 --> 00:16:55,840 One, two, three, four, five, six 239 00:16:55,927 --> 00:16:59,453 transactions, each $599.99. 240 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:03,413 I started using my brother's debit card, 241 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:06,634 my mom's credit cards, my dad's credit cards. 242 00:17:06,721 --> 00:17:09,158 $20,000 in one night. 243 00:17:09,245 --> 00:17:10,594 20 grand. 244 00:17:10,681 --> 00:17:12,335 That's in here. 245 00:17:12,422 --> 00:17:15,860 I opened up separate accounts in their names 246 00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:17,123 without their knowledge. 247 00:17:18,994 --> 00:17:21,997 Every count of identity theft carries a two-year minimum 248 00:17:22,084 --> 00:17:23,694 mandatory prison sentence. 249 00:17:23,781 --> 00:17:25,696 He could have went away for a long time. 250 00:17:25,783 --> 00:17:28,047 Don't know the explanation, but his parents covered him. 251 00:17:32,312 --> 00:17:34,140 After the discovery of the thefts, 252 00:17:34,227 --> 00:17:36,838 the Amatos didn't kick Grant out to the curb. 253 00:17:36,925 --> 00:17:39,058 They resolved to help him. 254 00:17:39,145 --> 00:17:41,277 They resolved to be good parents 255 00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:44,715 and to be a good brother for their family member. 256 00:18:02,385 --> 00:18:04,344 As a result of all of Grant's spending, 257 00:18:04,431 --> 00:18:06,781 Chad had to basically upend his life. 258 00:18:06,868 --> 00:18:09,392 He took out a second mortgage on his home. 259 00:18:09,479 --> 00:18:14,005 He resolved to work longer hours than he previously did. 260 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:17,487 And he realized that the dream of 261 00:18:17,574 --> 00:18:20,708 a peaceful, successful retirement 262 00:18:20,795 --> 00:18:23,145 would not be possible. 263 00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:07,537 And who's to say what Chad did or didn't do? 264 00:19:07,624 --> 00:19:10,061 All we know is what the evidence shows us. 265 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:13,587 We have the CVS records that show 266 00:19:13,674 --> 00:19:16,416 that Dad was clocking out. 267 00:19:19,854 --> 00:19:23,379 4:48, he leaves. 268 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:28,210 And he takes the last 67 steps of his life. 269 00:19:55,411 --> 00:19:59,720 Chad was the second person that was shot. 270 00:19:59,807 --> 00:20:03,767 The theory is that he was shot first in the back, 271 00:20:03,854 --> 00:20:07,118 and then he crawled and was shot again in the back 272 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:10,296 of the head and collapsed. 273 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:16,040 The state's theory was somebody turned Chad over and then 274 00:20:16,127 --> 00:20:19,087 put this holster on him. 275 00:20:19,174 --> 00:20:21,655 Chad Amato's body specifically looked like it 276 00:20:21,742 --> 00:20:23,700 had been tampered with. 277 00:20:23,787 --> 00:20:27,530 Did you make any observations as to the positioning 278 00:20:27,617 --> 00:20:31,665 of the holster and firearm on Chad's hip? 279 00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:33,101 Yes. 280 00:20:33,188 --> 00:20:36,626 The gun itself was placed inside of the holster, 281 00:20:36,713 --> 00:20:39,542 and it was in this position on his body. 282 00:20:39,629 --> 00:20:42,850 You would have to pull it out awkwardly, point it 283 00:20:42,937 --> 00:20:45,679 at yourself, and then point it towards somebody 284 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:49,596 to fire it, which just doesn't make any sense. 285 00:20:53,904 --> 00:20:55,906 According to the prosecution's case, 286 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:59,432 Grant killed his entire family, stayed in the house with some 287 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:01,477 of their bodies, and after doing all of this, 288 00:21:01,564 --> 00:21:05,699 after hours of this, he went to a public 289 00:21:05,786 --> 00:21:07,918 Wi-Fi hotspot to continue talking with Silvie. 290 00:21:24,587 --> 00:21:25,806 Right. 291 00:21:44,346 --> 00:21:48,350 Grant Amato was so obsessed with this woman, 292 00:21:48,437 --> 00:21:51,310 after leaving the house, the defendant 293 00:21:51,397 --> 00:21:54,748 goes to a nearby Publix parking lot and uses 294 00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:57,533 his dead brother's checking account 295 00:21:57,620 --> 00:22:00,536 to get onto Silvie's website. 296 00:22:04,714 --> 00:22:09,719 Websites that were accessed starting at about 3:02. 297 00:22:09,806 --> 00:22:12,287 It was MFC or MFCams. 298 00:22:12,374 --> 00:22:13,941 It's a Google search. 299 00:22:14,028 --> 00:22:17,814 Around the same time as MyFreeCams contest. 300 00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:21,427 AdySweet's home page on myfreecams.com. 301 00:23:13,827 --> 00:23:15,306 So you have these boundaries, of course, 302 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:20,224 but you begin to care about the members eventually. 303 00:23:20,311 --> 00:23:23,227 It can feel like it's your second family. 304 00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:29,756 It's important for you to kind of get to know them. 305 00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:32,846 People, you know, crave that closeness. 306 00:23:32,933 --> 00:23:34,238 Well, hello, Bobby. 307 00:23:34,325 --> 00:23:36,415 How are you doing? 308 00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:41,724 It's normal to get attached to people you talk to every day. 309 00:23:41,811 --> 00:23:43,944 You eventually kind of care about them, 310 00:23:44,031 --> 00:23:45,902 because we're humans. 311 00:23:45,989 --> 00:23:51,473 The fine line between reality and fantasy is always crossed. 312 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,519 You want me to get both of them off? 313 00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:54,868 Or just the latex? 314 00:23:54,955 --> 00:23:57,610 Or just the bra? 315 00:23:57,697 --> 00:24:01,396 Even if you don't want to cross it, you cross it eventually. 316 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:03,833 OK, I thought so. 317 00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:08,011 So, yeah, a lot of guys can become 318 00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:09,752 obsessed with the models. 319 00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:13,452 But, of course, it can happen to the cam girl 320 00:24:13,539 --> 00:24:15,976 as well, to be obsessed with the member. 321 00:24:19,153 --> 00:24:21,503 Welcome back, Grant. 322 00:24:59,106 --> 00:25:01,891 People love binaries, but most 323 00:25:01,978 --> 00:25:04,111 of the world and most of human experience 324 00:25:04,198 --> 00:25:06,287 exists on some continuum. 325 00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:09,029 And it's messy, and there's gray area. 326 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:12,772 And my sense is this case sits in that gray area. 327 00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:24,218 One thing that I think Grant should take 328 00:25:24,305 --> 00:25:26,525 away from this tragedy is that he always 329 00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:28,657 had a void in his heart. 330 00:25:28,744 --> 00:25:30,659 He always felt lonely, and he always 331 00:25:30,746 --> 00:25:33,227 wondered whether he would receive 332 00:25:33,314 --> 00:25:36,404 affection from any woman. 333 00:25:36,491 --> 00:25:40,843 The truth is that there was only one woman in his life 334 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:42,976 who loved him unconditionally, 335 00:25:43,063 --> 00:25:45,631 and that woman was Margaret Amato. 336 00:25:49,373 --> 00:25:53,203 She had a really soft spot for animals. 337 00:25:53,290 --> 00:25:58,818 She had rescued and rehabilitated horses. 338 00:25:58,905 --> 00:26:00,820 The stables were just down a couple of blocks 339 00:26:00,907 --> 00:26:05,041 from their house, and she would go down there daily. 340 00:26:05,128 --> 00:26:11,004 She was a deeply devoted caretaker. 341 00:26:11,091 --> 00:26:13,484 You can run that parallel with Grant, where 342 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:16,357 she knew Grant was in deep trouble, 343 00:26:16,444 --> 00:26:18,620 but yet she supported him. 344 00:26:23,364 --> 00:26:27,455 Grant, how would you describe your mother? 345 00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:31,372 My mom was always completely selfless. 346 00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:35,942 She sacrificed a lot of her time, her life 347 00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:38,118 for the benefit of other people. 348 00:26:38,205 --> 00:26:41,121 She was always caring, always funny, 349 00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:44,646 laid-back, the quintessential coolest mom. 350 00:27:23,163 --> 00:27:25,426 Even through all that--and we're talking January now, 351 00:27:25,513 --> 00:27:27,167 right, days before her death-- 352 00:27:27,254 --> 00:27:30,692 she still allowed him to contact Silvie 353 00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:32,955 via her cell phone. 354 00:28:15,998 --> 00:28:18,218 So why? 355 00:28:18,305 --> 00:28:19,915 Why Mom? 356 00:28:20,002 --> 00:28:21,830 Why Mom? 357 00:28:24,006 --> 00:28:26,008 Because she was there. 358 00:28:26,095 --> 00:28:29,011 And there was no other way to get to Chad and Cody 359 00:28:29,098 --> 00:28:30,186 without getting to Mom. 360 00:28:32,058 --> 00:28:33,929 That's where her body was found, 361 00:28:34,016 --> 00:28:35,670 shot in the back of the head by the defendant. 362 00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:18,713 Prosecutors say Grant murdered 363 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,497 his family members all over this woman, 364 00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,673 an online Bulgarian call girl. 365 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,458 On a pornographic website. 366 00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:27,287 In much of the reporting, 367 00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:31,421 there was a very significant amount of this almost veiled 368 00:29:31,508 --> 00:29:35,034 sexism focusing on Silvie. 369 00:29:35,121 --> 00:29:37,253 How many of us haven't had, you know, 370 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,734 a Bulgarian cam girl from a porn site? 371 00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:41,997 I mean, if I could have a dollar for every time 372 00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:45,044 I've heard that story, I could pay for a minute with her. 373 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:48,047 Every story kept focusing on her 374 00:29:48,134 --> 00:29:50,136 and focusing on that narrative. 375 00:29:50,223 --> 00:29:54,227 So she is really key to this case, if she's real. 376 00:29:54,314 --> 00:29:56,490 You know, we're not even sure she's real. 377 00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:57,796 In some ways, I feel like we're not 378 00:29:57,883 --> 00:30:00,059 seeing the forest for the trees, 379 00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:03,279 and the ways in which so much of what 380 00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:06,892 was appealing to Grant about this space 381 00:30:06,979 --> 00:30:08,850 was that community of men. 382 00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:46,932 On January 22, 2019, just two days before the murder, 383 00:30:47,019 --> 00:30:50,152 Grant Amato typed an eight-page letter 384 00:30:50,239 --> 00:30:52,763 to six other men that were in that 385 00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:56,811 internet room with Silvie. 386 00:30:56,898 --> 00:30:58,117 Hey, guys. 387 00:30:58,204 --> 00:31:00,336 The purpose of this letter is an apology. 388 00:31:00,423 --> 00:31:02,991 With each of you, I forged a different form of "friendship." 389 00:31:03,078 --> 00:31:05,037 I think it is safe to say by now 390 00:31:05,124 --> 00:31:07,561 that everyone here knows that I made 391 00:31:07,648 --> 00:31:09,606 a drastic mistake with Silvie. 392 00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:13,436 I lied to her and you guys from the beginning about myself. 393 00:31:13,523 --> 00:31:17,049 I can simply plead that I was human, made a terrible error, 394 00:31:17,136 --> 00:31:20,139 and hurt the ones I grew to care for. 395 00:31:20,226 --> 00:31:21,357 "Don't lose her. 396 00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:23,011 "I hope I can be with her again, 397 00:31:23,098 --> 00:31:24,404 "and I hope I can be a part of that community again. 398 00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:26,885 And I'm sorry for what I did to her and to you." 399 00:31:26,972 --> 00:31:28,625 These are his words. 400 00:31:45,729 --> 00:31:50,082 This was about a man who felt disempowered 401 00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:53,824 in his everyday life and found a space 402 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,392 that made him feel good about himself 403 00:31:56,479 --> 00:31:58,917 and not just good about himself as a human 404 00:31:59,004 --> 00:32:02,529 but good about himself as a man, right? 405 00:32:02,616 --> 00:32:04,531 I'm in control, right? 406 00:32:04,618 --> 00:32:07,099 I can pay for access to this woman. 407 00:32:07,186 --> 00:32:10,450 I can pay for access to this community. 408 00:32:10,537 --> 00:32:16,325 And for me, it's so typical that so much of this reporting 409 00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:19,285 would really use Silvie as a scapegoat. 410 00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:22,766 Silvie did not steal Grant's family's money. 411 00:32:22,853 --> 00:32:27,293 Silvie was at work, and Silvie was doing her job. 412 00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:34,474 Attempts were made to contact Silvie in Bulgaria 413 00:32:34,561 --> 00:32:38,434 to talk about this, and nobody ever returned a phone call. 414 00:32:38,521 --> 00:32:40,697 I would love to know what Silvie thought about this, 415 00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:44,310 but, no, we never got any answers from her. 416 00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:12,702 Hi. 417 00:34:12,789 --> 00:34:14,182 Can you see and hear me? 418 00:34:15,749 --> 00:34:17,316 I can. Hold on. 419 00:34:17,403 --> 00:34:21,363 I'm just setting up the recording. 420 00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:24,149 OK. Well, let's backtrack a bit. 421 00:34:24,236 --> 00:34:25,759 Can you tell me who you are and give us 422 00:34:25,846 --> 00:34:27,761 an idea of your background as a reporter? 423 00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:29,763 I'm Teodora Barzakova. 424 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:32,374 I am a Bulgarian journalist. 425 00:34:32,461 --> 00:34:34,463 Can you tell me a little bit what 426 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:36,161 you were able to learn about Silviya from poking 427 00:34:36,248 --> 00:34:37,858 around on the internet? 428 00:34:37,945 --> 00:34:40,121 The only information, basically, I managed to find 429 00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:43,342 is from what you shared with me. 430 00:34:43,429 --> 00:34:46,693 No one knows anything more about her. 431 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:49,957 What surprised me as well is that Bulgarian media would 432 00:34:50,044 --> 00:34:52,046 have been all over this story. 433 00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:54,309 But clearly they also didn't find her, 434 00:34:54,396 --> 00:34:56,224 because they're just the same thing 435 00:34:56,311 --> 00:34:58,139 that was reported in the U.S. 436 00:34:58,226 --> 00:35:00,141 Do you think we have her real name? 437 00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:02,274 She's called Silviya. 438 00:35:02,361 --> 00:35:04,754 I have no idea about the surnames. 439 00:35:04,841 --> 00:35:07,714 I tried googling her name. 440 00:35:07,801 --> 00:35:11,152 I also, you know, tried looking on Facebook, on Twitter, 441 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,502 in Cyrillic as well, on Instagram. 442 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:18,464 No one that even looks remotely like her popped up. 443 00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:19,900 And based on her accent, do you think she's 444 00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:21,728 a native Bulgarian speaker? 445 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:23,512 Yes, definitely native Bulgarian speaker, 446 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,603 and I saw pictures of letters that she sent. 447 00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:31,825 There is a return address on three of them, I think. 448 00:35:31,912 --> 00:35:33,261 But it's not complete. 449 00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:37,222 I mean, the return address is for a neighborhood 450 00:35:37,309 --> 00:35:42,314 in Sofia which is a really massive, huge neighborhood. 451 00:35:42,401 --> 00:35:44,272 It's not a specific address, so you 452 00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:46,013 wouldn't be able to send a letter to her 453 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,754 if you wanted to. 454 00:35:55,588 --> 00:35:57,590 Today prosecutors said that Grant Amato 455 00:35:57,677 --> 00:36:01,681 actually staged what appeared to be a murder-suicide. 456 00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:05,728 Do you remember in the beginning of this case, 457 00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:08,514 if not Grant, then who? 458 00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:09,906 Right? 459 00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:13,649 So how does the state prove 460 00:36:13,736 --> 00:36:16,435 that the defendant is the one that committed the crime? 461 00:36:16,522 --> 00:36:17,784 How do we meet this burden? 462 00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,787 Well, these three dead bodies, 463 00:36:20,874 --> 00:36:23,833 they tell you a story, 464 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,532 and I'm going to explain how. 465 00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,838 The prosecution argued that it was a staged 466 00:36:28,925 --> 00:36:31,493 murder-suicide, but they made the case 467 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:34,844 that it was sort of a botched stage of a murder-suicide. 468 00:36:34,931 --> 00:36:36,237 There was a lot of factors that just didn't 469 00:36:36,324 --> 00:36:37,891 seem to make a lot of sense. 470 00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:41,242 The crime scene was staged to look like Cody had done it. 471 00:36:43,505 --> 00:36:45,768 A gun was placed next to Cody Amato, 472 00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:49,685 but the ballistics on that gun did not match the bullets 473 00:36:49,772 --> 00:36:51,121 that killed the family. 474 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:55,430 So detectives immediately had their suspicions. 475 00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:26,173 Grant Amato is accused of killing 476 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:27,479 his parents and a brother. 477 00:38:27,566 --> 00:38:29,698 Today his only surviving brother 478 00:38:29,785 --> 00:38:33,093 testified about the last time he saw his family alive. 479 00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,708 Jason Amato was Cody and Grant's half brother. 480 00:38:39,795 --> 00:38:41,971 He had moved out of the home a while ago 481 00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:44,626 and created his own path. 482 00:38:44,713 --> 00:38:48,108 Jason seemed very separated from the family. 483 00:38:48,195 --> 00:38:49,762 He wanted to live on his own and get out 484 00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:52,330 from under the controlling nature of Chad Amato. 485 00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:55,637 During the course of the conversation, were there 486 00:38:55,724 --> 00:39:01,600 times where you accuse him of killing your family? 487 00:39:01,687 --> 00:39:03,297 Yes. 488 00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:07,214 I did go into meeting my brother, 489 00:39:07,301 --> 00:39:10,304 just trying to find out what happened to my family. 490 00:39:10,391 --> 00:39:14,308 And he was the last one that I knew was there. 491 00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:47,994 No. No. No. 492 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:27,599 I just-- 493 00:40:27,686 --> 00:40:30,558 just remember him mostly being silent 494 00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:34,257 and just saying he understood how I felt. 495 00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:38,697 If you're asking if he denied any of my accusations, 496 00:40:38,784 --> 00:40:40,873 I only remember him saying he didn't have 497 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,397 anything to do with it when I first walked in. 498 00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:45,704 When he asked him whether he loved his brother, 499 00:40:45,791 --> 00:40:49,098 you know, Jason could have said, no, screw him. 500 00:40:49,185 --> 00:40:52,406 Instead, the answer was yes, and I think that was a really 501 00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:53,581 important piece of evidence. 502 00:40:53,668 --> 00:40:54,930 You're the big brother. 503 00:40:55,017 --> 00:40:56,889 You love your little brother. - Yeah. 504 00:40:56,976 --> 00:40:58,543 I love both of my brothers. 505 00:41:30,096 --> 00:41:32,446 The case was going, we thought, pretty well. 506 00:41:32,533 --> 00:41:34,013 I mean, we were-- you know, we were, 507 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,318 like, three weeks in, and say, hey, man, 508 00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:36,929 we got something here. 509 00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:38,452 They didn't have the murder weapon. 510 00:41:38,539 --> 00:41:40,672 They know they don't have the gun. 511 00:41:40,759 --> 00:41:42,369 We were wondering, where is the murder weapon? 512 00:41:42,456 --> 00:41:43,588 What murder weapon is used? 513 00:41:43,675 --> 00:41:46,504 This is what they started out with. 514 00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:47,983 This is a play gun. 515 00:41:48,070 --> 00:41:49,594 That's all they had. 516 00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:51,247 During the middle of the trial, 517 00:41:51,334 --> 00:41:54,033 sort of an 11th-hour moment, they 518 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,166 brought in a possibility of where that weapon came from. 519 00:41:57,253 --> 00:42:01,519 Mr. Turpin, raise your right hand and be ready to be sworn. 520 00:42:01,606 --> 00:42:04,043 Next thing we know, Blake's on the witness stand, 521 00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:08,264 telling his bizarre story, which is so convenient, 522 00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:09,875 the way it unfolded. 523 00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:11,964 Right in the middle of a trial, you--all of a sudden, 524 00:42:12,051 --> 00:42:13,661 you have this ha-ha moment. 525 00:42:13,748 --> 00:42:15,620 How long have you known Grant Amato? 526 00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:17,839 I've known Grant since we were in high school, 527 00:42:17,926 --> 00:42:19,406 about 15 years. 528 00:42:19,493 --> 00:42:23,149 And specifically, did you own an IWI Jericho 529 00:42:23,236 --> 00:42:25,238 9-millimeter 941 firearm? 530 00:42:25,325 --> 00:42:26,500 I did. Yes, sir. 531 00:42:26,587 --> 00:42:28,458 All of a sudden, the prosecution 532 00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:29,982 goes from not having a murder weapon 533 00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:31,592 and not knowing where one might be 534 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:33,725 to having a potential murder weapon, 535 00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:36,858 not physically but still the idea of one. 536 00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:39,861 At the end of May, I decided to kind of 537 00:42:39,948 --> 00:42:41,559 do a bit of spring cleaning. 538 00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:44,431 I picked up the gun boxes and noticed 539 00:42:44,518 --> 00:42:47,303 that the gun was missing. 540 00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:50,829 Grant had used the bathroom, and adjacent to the bathroom, 541 00:42:50,916 --> 00:42:54,049 there was a closet where Blake kept all his ammunition 542 00:42:54,136 --> 00:42:56,356 and his guns, things of that nature. 543 00:42:56,443 --> 00:42:58,880 And I really questioned the story, 544 00:42:58,967 --> 00:43:00,665 because six months later, Blake's saying, 545 00:43:00,752 --> 00:43:02,014 I went upstairs. 546 00:43:02,101 --> 00:43:03,885 I noticed--I opened up one of my gun cases, 547 00:43:03,972 --> 00:43:06,584 and the gun was missing. 548 00:43:06,671 --> 00:43:07,889 And this came out of nowhere. 549 00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:09,499 How often had he checked that closet 550 00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:10,892 to see if it had been gone? 551 00:43:10,979 --> 00:43:11,893 Unclear. 552 00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,460 What kind of handle does 553 00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:15,462 Blake Turpin have on his firearms? 554 00:43:15,549 --> 00:43:16,898 Doesn't seem like a lot of it. 555 00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:18,726 I tend to think it might have been fabricated. 556 00:43:18,813 --> 00:43:20,510 Timing's just too incredulous. 557 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:22,817 I just don't buy it. 558 00:43:22,904 --> 00:43:26,255 So just out of nowhere, 6 months later, 559 00:43:26,342 --> 00:43:30,651 30 days before the trial starts, 560 00:43:30,738 --> 00:43:34,046 you can't find a firearm that you haven't seen in 12 months? 561 00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:37,571 That's correct. 562 00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:40,879 Would you call that responsible gun ownership? 563 00:43:40,966 --> 00:43:43,098 There was no Jericho pistol ever found. 564 00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:44,709 Where that pistol is, if it does exist, 565 00:43:44,796 --> 00:43:46,841 is completely a mystery at this point. 566 00:43:51,541 --> 00:43:53,021 Today prosecutors and the defense 567 00:43:53,108 --> 00:43:54,675 delivered closing arguments. 568 00:43:54,762 --> 00:43:57,199 Grant Amato did not testify this morning. 569 00:43:57,286 --> 00:44:01,160 If found guilty, he could face the death penalty. 43115

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