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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,135 --> 00:00:07,005 ♪ 2 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:09,207 -For the second time in nasa's history, 3 00:00:09,209 --> 00:00:12,811 A space shuttle has been lost along with its entire crew. 4 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:15,347 Once again, we are asking ourselves, 5 00:00:15,449 --> 00:00:17,882 How could this have happened? 6 00:00:17,884 --> 00:00:19,684 -Do you have any idea how big that 7 00:00:19,686 --> 00:00:21,553 Piece of foam was that came off? 8 00:00:21,688 --> 00:00:23,155 -We'd heard some reports that during launch 9 00:00:23,290 --> 00:00:25,090 There had been some concerns that some debris 10 00:00:25,226 --> 00:00:26,625 Hit the wing. 11 00:00:26,726 --> 00:00:28,827 Is that true and is that any cause of concern 12 00:00:28,962 --> 00:00:31,229 And that could have caused today's problems? 13 00:00:31,364 --> 00:00:32,431 -It is true. 14 00:00:32,566 --> 00:00:34,299 It was judged that, erm , 15 00:00:34,435 --> 00:00:39,438 That event did not represent a safety concern. 16 00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:42,240 -This happened under my watch, 17 00:00:42,242 --> 00:00:43,976 But I didn't have the answers. 18 00:00:43,978 --> 00:00:46,911 In every public forum I'm gonna have to be in, 19 00:00:46,913 --> 00:00:50,248 How am I gonna explain this to anybody? 20 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:51,984 At this time, we have no indication 21 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:54,452 That the mishap was caused by anything 22 00:00:54,454 --> 00:00:56,655 Or anyone on the ground. 23 00:00:56,657 --> 00:00:59,057 -Nasa never wants to look stupid. 24 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:02,126 Nasa wants to be the agency with the answers. 25 00:01:02,128 --> 00:01:04,462 -My thoughts are on what we missed, 26 00:01:04,464 --> 00:01:07,265 What I missed 27 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,267 To allow this to happen. 28 00:01:09,402 --> 00:01:11,736 -But if you overlook something, 29 00:01:11,738 --> 00:01:14,273 It will come to bite you one day or another. 30 00:01:14,408 --> 00:01:23,715 ♪ 31 00:01:23,818 --> 00:01:27,686 ♪ 32 00:01:32,893 --> 00:01:35,827 -I was playing tennis in mclean, virginia. 33 00:01:35,830 --> 00:01:38,831 I received a phone call saying 34 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:41,433 That I would be flown immediately 35 00:01:41,568 --> 00:01:43,968 To barksdale air force base. 36 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:45,637 After challenger, 37 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:47,772 Nasa had a contingency plan in case 38 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:49,508 There was a shuttle accident. 39 00:01:49,643 --> 00:01:53,444 I never really imagined that it would happen. 40 00:01:54,381 --> 00:01:58,183 With columbia, we had people who had experience 41 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,785 With accident investigation from the military, 42 00:02:00,921 --> 00:02:04,256 Navy, and air force on the team. 43 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:08,993 -I came to the investigation as a helicopter pilot 44 00:02:08,995 --> 00:02:13,197 Who knew something about doing accident investigations. 45 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,533 I did not come to the investigation 46 00:02:15,535 --> 00:02:17,269 As a space shuttle expert. 47 00:02:17,271 --> 00:02:19,671 I literally knew nothing about 48 00:02:19,673 --> 00:02:22,340 How the shuttle was put together. 49 00:02:22,342 --> 00:02:26,078 We needed nasa's help because by definition, 50 00:02:26,213 --> 00:02:29,281 Everybody who came in as an external part 51 00:02:29,283 --> 00:02:34,219 Of the investigation team is not a space shuttle expert. 52 00:02:34,355 --> 00:02:37,489 There was years of shuttle program knowledge 53 00:02:37,624 --> 00:02:40,158 That we needed to learn very quickly. 54 00:02:40,293 --> 00:02:42,894 -There's that issue of the falling foam 55 00:02:42,897 --> 00:02:45,697 During the launch of space shuttle columbia. 56 00:02:45,699 --> 00:02:47,499 -Very early on nasa told us 57 00:02:47,634 --> 00:02:51,369 That they knew about a foam -- a debris event. 58 00:02:51,371 --> 00:02:53,972 But we didn't even know enough about the shuttle 59 00:02:53,974 --> 00:02:56,975 To understand that there was foam on the tanks. 60 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:59,111 The press wants to know what happened 61 00:02:59,113 --> 00:03:00,312 And it's like, 62 00:03:00,447 --> 00:03:02,847 "yep, so do we." 63 00:03:03,551 --> 00:03:07,519 -It's a mammoth job for those taking part in a mammoth task. 64 00:03:07,654 --> 00:03:10,522 -Covering many hundreds of square miles. 65 00:03:10,624 --> 00:03:12,124 -It's the largest recovery effort 66 00:03:12,259 --> 00:03:15,460 That has ever been attempted in this country. 67 00:03:15,596 --> 00:03:16,928 -As an investigator, 68 00:03:16,931 --> 00:03:20,999 I wanted as ironclad a case 69 00:03:21,134 --> 00:03:24,202 As we could possibly have for the sequence 70 00:03:24,337 --> 00:03:27,472 Of events leading to the cause of the crash 71 00:03:27,474 --> 00:03:29,741 Of space shuttle columbia. 72 00:03:29,743 --> 00:03:32,811 But if we were going to do that, 73 00:03:32,813 --> 00:03:35,747 We needed to collect all the debris 74 00:03:35,882 --> 00:03:38,683 And reconstruct the shuttle. 75 00:03:38,685 --> 00:03:42,086 -1,200 sites have been identified. 76 00:03:42,088 --> 00:03:43,822 -All those pieces of columbia will be brought 77 00:03:43,923 --> 00:03:45,490 To the kennedy space center, 78 00:03:45,626 --> 00:03:46,758 Where it will be reassembled 79 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:48,760 In a manner of speaking. 80 00:03:48,762 --> 00:03:51,429 -Really thousands of pieces of debris 81 00:03:51,564 --> 00:03:53,799 Are now pieces to a puzzle. 82 00:03:55,369 --> 00:04:02,040 ♪ 83 00:04:02,175 --> 00:04:05,309 -Under a crisp texas sky, 84 00:04:05,311 --> 00:04:07,846 Thousands of mourners are gathering, 85 00:04:07,848 --> 00:04:11,315 Including that man, neil armstrong , 86 00:04:11,317 --> 00:04:17,856 As nasa gathers to say farewell to seven of its own. 87 00:04:17,858 --> 00:04:20,725 -Knowing that I wasn't gonna see my dad again 88 00:04:20,727 --> 00:04:22,460 And losing that many people 89 00:04:22,595 --> 00:04:26,164 That you love and that you're close to all at once. 90 00:04:27,801 --> 00:04:29,968 It was just so heavy. 91 00:04:33,206 --> 00:04:36,008 The world just became a scary place. 92 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,613 -Just felt like I was so, like... 93 00:04:41,715 --> 00:04:45,917 Raw, just so...Exposed. 94 00:04:47,754 --> 00:04:51,223 -To have your dad die in a public way, 95 00:04:51,358 --> 00:04:55,827 And you have press focused in on you. 96 00:04:55,962 --> 00:05:00,098 I knew I didn't want to be there. 97 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:02,967 -Just like a feeling of, like, 98 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:05,369 How are we supposed to act? 99 00:05:05,371 --> 00:05:07,372 -The grief is heavy. 100 00:05:07,508 --> 00:05:10,642 Our nation shares in your sorrow. 101 00:05:10,777 --> 00:05:12,744 And in your pride. 102 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:19,384 -This isn't my own personal loss. 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,787 You kind of realise that this -- this is a public story, 104 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:25,924 A national grieving. 105 00:05:25,926 --> 00:05:30,929 Everybody felt like they lost something of theirs. 106 00:05:30,931 --> 00:05:33,265 -In your grief, you are responding 107 00:05:33,267 --> 00:05:35,867 As your friends would have wished, 108 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:39,871 With focus, professionalism, and unbroken faith 109 00:05:40,006 --> 00:05:42,474 In the mission of this agency. 110 00:05:42,609 --> 00:05:47,245 The people of nasa are being tested once again. 111 00:05:51,151 --> 00:05:54,886 -I could see outside the window all the crowd. 112 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:56,688 I had my suit and tie on. 113 00:05:56,823 --> 00:06:01,293 And I said to myself, "I'm gonna go outside," 114 00:06:01,295 --> 00:06:02,961 And then I couldn't. 115 00:06:02,963 --> 00:06:05,029 I just shut the door, 116 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:08,099 Locked it, and I just sobbed at my desk. 117 00:06:08,102 --> 00:06:10,969 The president's talking outside, and I was just sobbing, 118 00:06:10,971 --> 00:06:12,971 And sobbing, and sobbing. 119 00:06:15,642 --> 00:06:17,842 Inside johnson space center, 120 00:06:17,844 --> 00:06:21,913 The internal conflict was building. 121 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:26,250 -On the first day that we went in, 122 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:29,654 There were people who received us very well, 123 00:06:29,656 --> 00:06:33,992 There were people who were not happy that we were here. 124 00:06:34,093 --> 00:06:35,327 -I was one of the first people 125 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:38,863 To be interviewed and interrogated. 126 00:06:38,999 --> 00:06:41,132 I felt ok, I felt like, "this is a good thing, 127 00:06:41,135 --> 00:06:43,835 This has to happen. I hope they're thorough." 128 00:06:44,972 --> 00:06:46,671 -I think the folks that were probably 129 00:06:46,807 --> 00:06:48,940 Less interested in our help 130 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:53,378 Were more at the management level in nasa. 131 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,414 In some cases, we're asking for data, 132 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,149 And then they'd be like, "I can't give you 133 00:06:58,152 --> 00:06:59,684 That information right now, you're gonna have to 134 00:06:59,686 --> 00:07:01,019 Go up through a very formal 135 00:07:01,021 --> 00:07:03,821 Nasa chain of command to be approved." 136 00:07:03,823 --> 00:07:07,491 -I call it the managers' club. 137 00:07:07,493 --> 00:07:09,627 It's a type of a culture 138 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:13,431 Where there are rules of behaviour and ways of talking. 139 00:07:13,566 --> 00:07:15,967 You don't jump the chain of command. 140 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:17,969 Don't -- and that's insulting to go up to 141 00:07:17,971 --> 00:07:19,571 Someone higher and ask directly. 142 00:07:19,573 --> 00:07:22,507 You're supposed to coordinate all your questions. 143 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:26,044 -Are you going to risk your career in nasa 144 00:07:26,046 --> 00:07:30,382 By standing up and arguing with the chain of command? 145 00:07:30,517 --> 00:07:35,119 -You don't talk bluntly or pose questions like that 146 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,988 To a nasa manager. 147 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:39,523 -Because that can be very career limiting 148 00:07:39,525 --> 00:07:43,728 And you find yourself shuffled off into a windowless room, 149 00:07:43,864 --> 00:07:45,997 Just going through paperwork. 150 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:52,237 -I want the system -- I want the nasa manager culture confronted. 151 00:07:55,341 --> 00:07:58,509 ♪ 152 00:07:58,645 --> 00:07:59,977 -Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome 153 00:07:59,979 --> 00:08:01,512 To the johnson space center 154 00:08:01,648 --> 00:08:02,980 For today's briefing. 155 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:04,582 Again, joining me is 156 00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:07,585 Shuttle program manager ron dittemore. 157 00:08:07,587 --> 00:08:12,856 -Today I brought with me a piece of foam, 158 00:08:12,858 --> 00:08:16,126 And I think we've made some foam available to you 159 00:08:16,128 --> 00:08:18,662 So that you can get an understanding 160 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:22,666 Of the composition of this material. 161 00:08:22,668 --> 00:08:26,136 It's very lightweight, which is logical. 162 00:08:26,272 --> 00:08:27,671 You would want it to be lightweight 163 00:08:27,806 --> 00:08:29,874 Because the more weight you put on the tank, 164 00:08:30,009 --> 00:08:35,613 The less upmass you could launch into an orbit. 165 00:08:35,748 --> 00:08:39,083 So, it's difficult for us to believe as engineers, 166 00:08:39,085 --> 00:08:41,619 As management and as a team, 167 00:08:41,621 --> 00:08:44,822 That this particular piece of foam debris shedding 168 00:08:44,924 --> 00:08:50,094 From the tank represented a safety of flight issue. 169 00:08:50,096 --> 00:08:53,964 -I caught some segment that ron got into 170 00:08:53,966 --> 00:08:58,702 In which he said in a declarative voice... 171 00:08:58,837 --> 00:09:01,371 -Right now, it just does not make sense to us 172 00:09:01,373 --> 00:09:03,974 That a piece of debris 173 00:09:04,077 --> 00:09:06,444 Would be the root cause 174 00:09:06,579 --> 00:09:10,848 For the loss of columbia and its crew. 175 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:13,885 There's got to be another reason. 176 00:09:14,921 --> 00:09:15,986 -Well, how can he say that? 177 00:09:16,089 --> 00:09:17,521 Where is he getting that from? 178 00:09:17,523 --> 00:09:19,257 What a big denial. 179 00:09:19,358 --> 00:09:21,925 -To be certain it was foam is nonsense, right? 180 00:09:21,927 --> 00:09:26,530 But to be certain it wasn't foam is equally nonsense. 181 00:09:26,532 --> 00:09:28,265 Right? And that's what they were saying. 182 00:09:28,268 --> 00:09:31,068 "it's not foam." well, how do you know? 183 00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:32,470 -I know from 184 00:09:32,605 --> 00:09:35,939 The accident investigation team's perspective, 185 00:09:35,941 --> 00:09:37,475 No one was gonna go public 186 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:40,744 And say, "we know what didn't happen." 187 00:09:40,746 --> 00:09:41,945 -You get that shot right there? 188 00:09:41,947 --> 00:09:43,147 That's a nasa official. 189 00:09:43,149 --> 00:09:44,748 He's holding a piece of foam, 190 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:46,216 Which he is now saying 191 00:09:46,218 --> 00:09:47,818 Could not have had enough impact 192 00:09:47,954 --> 00:09:50,087 'cause it's too light to have damaged those tiles 193 00:09:50,222 --> 00:09:52,823 That we've been talking about. 194 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:55,626 -I knew ron. I had respect for ron. 195 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:57,628 Ron was linda ham's boss 196 00:09:57,764 --> 00:10:00,097 And a good manager. 197 00:10:00,099 --> 00:10:04,035 But what's always the first step in grief? 198 00:10:05,305 --> 00:10:06,971 Denial. 199 00:10:09,175 --> 00:10:10,841 -I called ron and I said, 200 00:10:10,977 --> 00:10:13,043 "ron, let me just remind you, ok? 201 00:10:13,045 --> 00:10:14,978 We had a clear understanding 202 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:18,648 That we are not gonna eliminate anything 203 00:10:18,650 --> 00:10:21,118 Until the data has come in 204 00:10:21,253 --> 00:10:23,453 To definitively eliminate it." 205 00:10:23,589 --> 00:10:25,189 -To bring that out 206 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:28,526 And dismiss it, you know, pre-emptively, 207 00:10:28,528 --> 00:10:30,327 I think speaks volumes. 208 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:32,663 At the very least they had to acknowledge it. 209 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:36,066 But it was acknowledging their own mistakes 210 00:10:36,169 --> 00:10:37,901 And that's hard to do. 211 00:10:37,971 --> 00:10:45,209 ♪ 212 00:10:45,211 --> 00:10:47,545 -Each week there was a new trailer load 213 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:49,479 Of debris showed up, 214 00:10:49,615 --> 00:10:51,949 Came right in this hangar through those doors, 215 00:10:52,051 --> 00:10:56,087 And it would be catalogued and then put out on the floor. 216 00:10:58,224 --> 00:11:00,157 I want to know what the debris is telling us, 217 00:11:00,292 --> 00:11:01,759 I want to know what the aerodynamics are telling us, 218 00:11:01,894 --> 00:11:04,294 And I want to know what the sensors are telling us. 219 00:11:04,296 --> 00:11:06,764 You follow the debris, what's it telling you? 220 00:11:06,932 --> 00:11:14,104 ♪ 221 00:11:14,207 --> 00:11:15,773 And if you follow the logic, 222 00:11:15,908 --> 00:11:20,344 You begin to see pieces that are telling you a story. 223 00:11:22,048 --> 00:11:26,316 As we were progressing through the left-wing reconstruction, 224 00:11:26,318 --> 00:11:28,452 You can see these burned tiles, 225 00:11:28,454 --> 00:11:30,588 This reinforced carbon-carbon, 226 00:11:30,723 --> 00:11:32,456 Looks like it's been burned 227 00:11:32,458 --> 00:11:35,593 In a way that's very different than everything else. 228 00:11:35,728 --> 00:11:40,631 All of that data pointed to a problem at rcc panel 8. 229 00:11:43,669 --> 00:11:45,068 Something very different 230 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:47,405 Happened in this location on the orbiter. 231 00:11:47,506 --> 00:11:51,142 And so, let's go see if we can understand what that was. 232 00:11:53,479 --> 00:11:58,682 -Ok, so, as the vehicle is entering the atmosphere, 233 00:11:58,684 --> 00:12:01,551 These black tiles are protecting the structure, 234 00:12:01,687 --> 00:12:05,689 The aluminium of the vehicle, in high-heat areas. 235 00:12:05,691 --> 00:12:08,425 And the grey is the wing leading edge 236 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:12,762 Reinforced carbon-carbon, rcc panels. 237 00:12:12,764 --> 00:12:17,367 Those protect the vehicle from the highest level of heat, 238 00:12:17,369 --> 00:12:20,104 Those 3,000 degree temperatures, 239 00:12:20,239 --> 00:12:23,674 So that you don't get metal melting. 240 00:12:25,511 --> 00:12:31,615 But we had never had any experience in breaking a panel. 241 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,389 -What was starting to join up was you've got video analysis 242 00:12:39,525 --> 00:12:42,192 That says the strike on the orbiter 243 00:12:42,295 --> 00:12:44,862 Created a hole in the wing. 244 00:12:47,733 --> 00:12:49,933 And you can see that there had been 245 00:12:49,935 --> 00:12:51,802 Some sort of penetration 246 00:12:51,938 --> 00:12:53,803 Against the rcc panel. 247 00:12:53,805 --> 00:12:55,405 Hot gas had entered in, 248 00:12:55,407 --> 00:12:59,076 The shuttle had lost aerodynamic control and crashed. 249 00:12:59,178 --> 00:13:04,348 But I think the challenge for a lot of folks at nasa 250 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:08,018 Was believing that foam had done that. 251 00:13:08,154 --> 00:13:12,756 They would say foam can't break reinforced carbon-carbon. 252 00:13:12,891 --> 00:13:15,225 There were a lot of people that said there's something else 253 00:13:15,328 --> 00:13:17,328 That explains this. 254 00:13:22,167 --> 00:13:26,236 -We decided to ask nasa about the history of foam strikes, 255 00:13:26,339 --> 00:13:28,506 Which had never been done. 256 00:13:28,607 --> 00:13:32,109 -I was asked by the accident investigation team 257 00:13:32,211 --> 00:13:35,179 To help find that type of information. 258 00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:37,715 I went through a database, 259 00:13:37,717 --> 00:13:40,518 There's a historical database of all the space shuttle missions, 260 00:13:40,619 --> 00:13:45,389 From the very first shuttle mission up until that day. 261 00:13:45,391 --> 00:13:47,725 I called the investigators 262 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:49,793 And I said, "you're not gonna believe this. 263 00:13:49,928 --> 00:13:51,495 Take a look at this." 264 00:13:53,665 --> 00:13:58,368 ♪ 265 00:13:58,469 --> 00:14:00,303 -I was shocked to find 266 00:14:00,305 --> 00:14:02,172 That there were over a half a dozen occurrences 267 00:14:02,307 --> 00:14:04,708 Of foam strikes recorded. 268 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:08,978 So, we turned that in into the investigation board. 269 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:14,850 -1983 was the first bipod ramp foam loss. 270 00:14:14,852 --> 00:14:18,121 1990, 1992, 271 00:14:18,256 --> 00:14:22,926 '92 again, 1994. 272 00:14:23,061 --> 00:14:25,261 As well as those bigger pieces, 273 00:14:25,364 --> 00:14:27,864 We saw small pieces of foam 274 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,799 Fall away all the time. 275 00:14:29,934 --> 00:14:32,268 What we call "popcorning". 276 00:14:32,371 --> 00:14:35,471 When popcorn pops, it pops up and comes out 277 00:14:35,607 --> 00:14:37,473 And so that's what we call it, popcorning. 278 00:14:37,609 --> 00:14:40,410 They weren't very big so you're not talking about 279 00:14:40,412 --> 00:14:43,213 Much damage to the tiles. 280 00:14:43,348 --> 00:14:45,681 And so, it had become the norm at nasa. 281 00:14:45,683 --> 00:14:48,151 This mantra -- "it's only foam, 282 00:14:48,286 --> 00:14:49,685 It's only foam. 283 00:14:49,687 --> 00:14:51,154 Hey, we see foam loss all the time. 284 00:14:51,289 --> 00:14:53,356 And it never did any damage to the vehicle. 285 00:14:53,358 --> 00:14:54,758 We don't have to worry about it, 286 00:14:54,893 --> 00:14:56,593 It's only foam." 287 00:15:01,499 --> 00:15:07,304 Two missions before columbia it happened on sts-112 atlantis. 288 00:15:08,306 --> 00:15:10,573 A significant strike hit the skirt 289 00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:13,777 Of the solid rocket booster and actually put a dent in it. 290 00:15:18,383 --> 00:15:20,516 -Prior till the launch of columbia, 291 00:15:20,652 --> 00:15:22,518 And a couple of the meetings, 292 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,189 The topic of foam coming off 112 came up. 293 00:15:26,291 --> 00:15:29,192 There's probably, erm... 294 00:15:29,294 --> 00:15:31,527 15 to 20 people around the table 295 00:15:31,663 --> 00:15:35,498 And then there's a lot of other people at nasa in the room. 296 00:15:37,568 --> 00:15:40,604 We talked about starting to look into this a little bit more 297 00:15:40,705 --> 00:15:43,406 Because we've seen it come off on, you know, 298 00:15:43,541 --> 00:15:45,408 More than one flight now. 299 00:15:45,543 --> 00:15:50,480 We should understand if there's a way to prevent it. 300 00:15:50,581 --> 00:15:55,685 -Late October of 2002, after sts-112 atlantis, 301 00:15:55,820 --> 00:15:59,489 I went to a meeting about that flight. 302 00:15:59,590 --> 00:16:02,558 I had put together a report about the foam loss 303 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,694 And the damage to the solid rocket booster. 304 00:16:04,829 --> 00:16:08,431 And I presented the case that said, 305 00:16:08,566 --> 00:16:10,233 "that amount of foam, 306 00:16:10,368 --> 00:16:12,235 That mass, 307 00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:17,640 In one chunk coming off shuttle atlantis -- 308 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:22,311 This was the vehicle telling us something is wrong, 309 00:16:22,313 --> 00:16:23,446 Here's your warning." 310 00:16:23,581 --> 00:16:25,781 At risk of being insubordinate, 311 00:16:25,783 --> 00:16:28,584 I said to the heads of the shuttle program 312 00:16:28,586 --> 00:16:30,253 Sitting around the centre table, 313 00:16:30,388 --> 00:16:33,256 I was adamant at that meeting, 314 00:16:33,358 --> 00:16:35,725 "either fix the problem 315 00:16:35,727 --> 00:16:39,395 Or don't fly an external tank on the next launch, 316 00:16:39,498 --> 00:16:41,698 Which is impossible." 317 00:16:43,135 --> 00:16:44,400 From that meeting, 318 00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:47,803 I never heard any discussion of 319 00:16:47,939 --> 00:16:49,605 "let's get a better understanding of this 320 00:16:49,741 --> 00:16:51,074 Before we schedule the next launch." 321 00:16:51,076 --> 00:16:53,409 -In other words, again, they were thinking 322 00:16:53,411 --> 00:16:55,545 It was more of a turnaround issue. 323 00:16:55,646 --> 00:16:58,614 And so, it wasn't preventing shuttle flights 324 00:16:58,616 --> 00:17:01,751 From going forward. 325 00:17:01,753 --> 00:17:06,155 -The pressure on the management team to stay on schedule 326 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:10,560 And the concept of, "it's just foam" 327 00:17:10,661 --> 00:17:13,563 Is leading the charge through all of this. 328 00:17:13,664 --> 00:17:16,832 -So, it wasn't like they weren't talking about issues at all, 329 00:17:16,968 --> 00:17:21,338 But there certainly was a big focus on the -- on the schedule. 330 00:17:24,976 --> 00:17:29,979 -Here's an e-mail, it's Tuesday January 21st, 331 00:17:29,981 --> 00:17:34,351 This was sent six days into the columbia mission. 332 00:17:36,387 --> 00:17:38,654 This is a private exchange between 333 00:17:38,656 --> 00:17:40,790 Linda ham and ron dittemore, 334 00:17:40,925 --> 00:17:44,327 Two of the top managers in the program. 335 00:17:45,263 --> 00:17:49,399 "the rationale for flight for the sts-112 loss of foam 336 00:17:49,534 --> 00:17:51,534 Was lousy. 337 00:17:53,204 --> 00:17:56,005 The rationale states, 'we haven't changed anything, 338 00:17:56,007 --> 00:17:57,873 We haven't experienced any safety 339 00:17:58,009 --> 00:18:00,476 Of flight damage in 112 flights.'" 340 00:18:00,579 --> 00:18:02,011 The concluding sentence -- 341 00:18:02,146 --> 00:18:05,815 "the rationale was lousy then and it still is..." 342 00:18:05,817 --> 00:18:08,551 What I take that to mean is that 343 00:18:08,686 --> 00:18:10,886 Linda ham is raising a concern, 344 00:18:10,888 --> 00:18:14,690 But they appear to rely on the fact that previous flights 345 00:18:14,692 --> 00:18:16,159 Which had suffered this foam loss, 346 00:18:16,294 --> 00:18:18,027 Had returned safely. 347 00:18:18,162 --> 00:18:23,098 In other words, "we've gotten away with this". 348 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:28,104 This is a failure to learn from past similar events, 349 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,705 Simply because those flights 350 00:18:29,841 --> 00:18:32,175 Did not have catastrophic consequences. 351 00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:37,814 The classic -- the classic normalisation of deviance. 352 00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:41,985 -You have to make sure 353 00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:45,989 That every incident is thoroughly investigated 354 00:18:46,124 --> 00:18:48,791 And properly assessed. 355 00:18:48,794 --> 00:18:53,462 And that wasn't done for the 112 foam loss. 356 00:18:53,464 --> 00:18:56,399 -People were saying they were willing to accept the risk. 357 00:18:56,401 --> 00:18:57,933 What they didn't understand is 358 00:18:57,935 --> 00:19:00,536 How much risk they were accepting. 359 00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:04,674 After the 112 loss, people were starting to say, 360 00:19:04,775 --> 00:19:07,877 "maybe we're accepting too much risk." 361 00:19:08,012 --> 00:19:11,080 -We should have never launched columbia 362 00:19:11,215 --> 00:19:13,749 Until we fixed that problem. 363 00:19:13,885 --> 00:19:16,019 -Yeah, I was concerned, you know? 364 00:19:16,021 --> 00:19:17,820 We were moving in the right direction, 365 00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:20,457 We just didn't get there in time. 366 00:19:25,896 --> 00:19:28,330 ♪ 367 00:19:28,466 --> 00:19:30,132 -Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to 368 00:19:30,268 --> 00:19:33,035 The johnson space center for today's briefing. 369 00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:38,740 ♪ 370 00:19:38,742 --> 00:19:40,876 -Lisa starke with abc news. 371 00:19:41,011 --> 00:19:43,145 When you realized that you had this debris 372 00:19:43,281 --> 00:19:45,947 That had struck the shuttle and you started your analysis, 373 00:19:45,949 --> 00:19:48,017 What was the discussion about trying to take a look 374 00:19:48,019 --> 00:19:50,285 Either through satellites or these large telescopes 375 00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:53,222 That the military has and why was the decision made 376 00:19:53,224 --> 00:19:56,425 Not to try that? 377 00:19:56,527 --> 00:19:59,228 -We certainly had that discussion. 378 00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:02,231 We believe that taking a picture , 379 00:20:02,233 --> 00:20:03,965 Looking for tile damage, 380 00:20:03,967 --> 00:20:06,035 It does not show us the depth of tile 381 00:20:06,170 --> 00:20:07,837 That may have been shaved off. 382 00:20:07,938 --> 00:20:10,039 We cannot make a determination conclusively 383 00:20:10,041 --> 00:20:13,108 Whether that represents a concern or not. 384 00:20:13,711 --> 00:20:15,510 - Well, linda, reading through the transcripts, 385 00:20:15,512 --> 00:20:21,183 In hindsight were you sufficiently open to the idea 386 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:24,186 That this was a really serious problem? 387 00:20:24,322 --> 00:20:26,321 -You're asking 20/20 hindsight or what -- 388 00:20:26,456 --> 00:20:28,457 What my thought was then? 389 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:30,192 -Well, it sounds like you were just kind of 390 00:20:30,328 --> 00:20:33,195 Seeking reassurance that everything was ok, 391 00:20:33,331 --> 00:20:35,464 As opposed to digging in and saying, 392 00:20:35,566 --> 00:20:37,199 'how do we know this? ' 393 00:20:37,335 --> 00:20:39,334 -I didn't have a preconceived notion on the damage 394 00:20:39,336 --> 00:20:41,870 Or the possible consequences, and I needed to wait for them 395 00:20:41,873 --> 00:20:44,273 To complete their work. 396 00:20:44,275 --> 00:20:47,943 -The best experts at our disposal concluded 397 00:20:47,945 --> 00:20:52,814 That it was a minor problem, not a significant problem. 398 00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:54,950 -And when you added all that up, 399 00:20:55,085 --> 00:20:56,818 There was no need to take pictures 400 00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:58,420 To document any evidence 401 00:20:58,422 --> 00:21:00,822 Because we believed it to be superficial 402 00:21:00,958 --> 00:21:02,357 And it to be a turnaround issue 403 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,025 And not a safety issue. 404 00:21:04,161 --> 00:21:06,161 And so we -- we didn't take any pictures. 405 00:21:06,296 --> 00:21:07,829 -Had we known that there was 406 00:21:07,965 --> 00:21:09,498 A catastrophic situation on orbit, 407 00:21:09,633 --> 00:21:11,500 We certainly would have done everything we could. 408 00:21:11,635 --> 00:21:13,302 -Absolutely. 409 00:21:16,974 --> 00:21:18,173 -I... 410 00:21:18,308 --> 00:21:20,776 I'm not aware of anybody else during the mission 411 00:21:20,877 --> 00:21:23,946 Asking for a photo request and when. 412 00:21:24,982 --> 00:21:26,315 I only learned later 413 00:21:26,317 --> 00:21:28,717 That there really were 414 00:21:28,719 --> 00:21:30,585 People outside of our team 415 00:21:30,587 --> 00:21:34,055 That were trying to do something about it. 416 00:21:34,057 --> 00:21:38,127 -I had no idea what was happening 417 00:21:38,262 --> 00:21:40,930 Because there was no communication. 418 00:21:41,031 --> 00:21:43,865 I'm not in the loop, I'm not in the know, 419 00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:45,534 Nobody's talking to each other, 420 00:21:45,636 --> 00:21:47,469 So nobody knows what's going on. 421 00:21:47,471 --> 00:21:50,339 -The problem that we had in nasa culturally 422 00:21:50,341 --> 00:21:54,075 At the time was people would not speak up with their concerns. 423 00:21:54,211 --> 00:22:00,749 It was the most anti-dissenting opinion place that I know of. 424 00:22:00,751 --> 00:22:03,652 People were scared silly to speak up. 425 00:22:04,621 --> 00:22:08,089 -Nasa is a series of fiefdoms, 426 00:22:08,225 --> 00:22:11,560 And there isn't necessarily a lot of exchange of knowledge 427 00:22:11,695 --> 00:22:14,295 Across those silos, you know, frankly, 428 00:22:14,297 --> 00:22:18,000 The system is not designed for good communication. 429 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:21,903 But that's not an excuse, 430 00:22:21,905 --> 00:22:25,307 Because this foam problem was a not a new problem. 431 00:22:25,443 --> 00:22:29,244 It was ignored right up until an opportunity 432 00:22:29,379 --> 00:22:32,047 To intervene presented itself, 433 00:22:32,049 --> 00:22:37,052 And then that opportunity to get a spy satellite 434 00:22:37,187 --> 00:22:41,122 To take a look was dismissed. 435 00:22:42,059 --> 00:22:46,862 To sort of stick to your guns of convincing yourself 436 00:22:46,864 --> 00:22:49,231 That it's ok... 437 00:22:50,835 --> 00:22:53,168 ...It just made matters worse. 438 00:22:58,208 --> 00:23:01,076 -I-I could -- I could only deal with the data 439 00:23:01,078 --> 00:23:03,212 That was presented to me. 440 00:23:03,347 --> 00:23:08,884 The whole situation was a case of people doing their jobs 441 00:23:08,985 --> 00:23:10,552 As they understood them. 442 00:23:10,688 --> 00:23:13,555 But I think everybody was operating with good faith. 443 00:23:13,691 --> 00:23:16,258 There was no, er... 444 00:23:20,898 --> 00:23:23,832 I wouldn't say malfeasance, but negligence. 445 00:23:23,834 --> 00:23:25,366 There may have been -- 446 00:23:25,368 --> 00:23:26,835 I don't even think there was negligence, 447 00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:29,838 I just think that the actions we took 448 00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:34,276 Were inadequate for the problem we were facing. 449 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:41,717 -I think there was a mindset and sort of a hope 450 00:23:41,852 --> 00:23:46,855 That we've seen foam strikes before 451 00:23:46,857 --> 00:23:51,192 And it's never caused a safety of flight issue. 452 00:23:51,194 --> 00:23:53,662 So, we're assuming that's the case here, 453 00:23:53,797 --> 00:23:55,864 But not a sure thing. 454 00:23:58,936 --> 00:24:01,603 It seemed like by staying ignorant 455 00:24:01,739 --> 00:24:03,538 Of the degree of damage, 456 00:24:03,673 --> 00:24:05,540 The mission management team 457 00:24:05,542 --> 00:24:08,744 Perhaps didn't want to know about the worst-case scenario. 458 00:24:12,816 --> 00:24:15,350 -At this point, from our work in the hangar, 459 00:24:15,352 --> 00:24:17,352 I think we have enough information 460 00:24:17,354 --> 00:24:23,024 To say we found the physical cause of the shuttle crash. 461 00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:25,026 But there were still people at nasa 462 00:24:25,162 --> 00:24:26,828 Who didn't believe that foam 463 00:24:26,830 --> 00:24:29,164 Could break reinforced carbon-carbon. 464 00:24:32,169 --> 00:24:34,235 -We're here at southwest research institute 465 00:24:34,371 --> 00:24:37,105 In san antonio, texas, to conduct a test 466 00:24:37,108 --> 00:24:41,443 To show whether foam could create a hole big enough 467 00:24:41,579 --> 00:24:44,846 To destroy the vehicle. 468 00:24:44,949 --> 00:24:46,848 -Everything came down to whether or not 469 00:24:46,951 --> 00:24:50,185 The foam shot was gonna break an rcc panel. 470 00:24:50,187 --> 00:24:56,591 But if our investigative analysis is wrong, then what? 471 00:24:56,593 --> 00:25:01,430 -Five, four, three, two, one. 472 00:25:02,666 --> 00:25:04,466 -Whoa! 473 00:25:04,602 --> 00:25:06,935 [ indistinct chatter ] 474 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:16,144 ♪ 475 00:25:16,147 --> 00:25:20,949 -Ok. Foam will break reinforced carbon-carbon. 476 00:25:20,951 --> 00:25:23,752 -I mean, there was no doubt at that point, right? 477 00:25:23,854 --> 00:25:26,021 Case closed. 478 00:25:26,023 --> 00:25:28,623 There's no denying it. 479 00:25:28,625 --> 00:25:33,162 You know, there was there was foam falling from day one. 480 00:25:33,263 --> 00:25:36,398 They should have had that test on day two. 481 00:25:39,837 --> 00:25:42,437 -This was a known failure. 482 00:25:42,439 --> 00:25:46,708 But I think the failure to imagine being wrong, 483 00:25:46,844 --> 00:25:50,445 The failure to imagine the consequences of failure 484 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:52,381 Were catastrophic. 485 00:25:52,383 --> 00:25:57,652 And I think it's this whole notion of the failure 486 00:25:57,654 --> 00:25:59,988 To imagine failure. 487 00:26:04,127 --> 00:26:05,526 -Nasa's trying to move forward 488 00:26:05,528 --> 00:26:07,195 After Tuesday's blistering report, 489 00:26:07,198 --> 00:26:08,797 Blaming it for failing to prevent 490 00:26:08,899 --> 00:26:10,932 The shuttle columbia tragedy. 491 00:26:10,934 --> 00:26:13,134 -Nasa stands accused of complacency 492 00:26:13,136 --> 00:26:15,003 Of a flawed safety culture 493 00:26:15,005 --> 00:26:17,606 Of major management failures. 494 00:26:17,608 --> 00:26:21,142 Technical failures, but also about a human failure. 495 00:26:21,144 --> 00:26:24,279 -Nasa had conflicting goals of cost, 496 00:26:24,281 --> 00:26:26,014 Schedule, and safety. 497 00:26:26,016 --> 00:26:28,617 It's our view that clearly there is still evidence 498 00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:33,955 Of a silent safety program with echoes of challenger. 499 00:26:34,058 --> 00:26:36,157 -They knew about the foam, 500 00:26:36,293 --> 00:26:41,296 They could take pictures, and people chose not to. 501 00:26:41,431 --> 00:26:45,700 Felt almost like they had betrayed him. 502 00:26:45,702 --> 00:26:47,569 -Why? 503 00:26:47,705 --> 00:26:48,970 Why? 504 00:26:48,972 --> 00:26:51,840 The only reason 505 00:26:51,942 --> 00:26:53,708 Was because of the way 506 00:26:53,710 --> 00:26:56,245 They made decisions within that culture. 507 00:26:56,346 --> 00:26:58,780 -I felt angry. I mean, I just 508 00:26:58,916 --> 00:27:01,250 Was extremely disappointed. 509 00:27:01,351 --> 00:27:06,721 -Pure grief and sadness turned into anger and disgust. 510 00:27:06,856 --> 00:27:09,658 It kind of became this inner struggle in me of, 511 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:15,497 "how can I hate this thing that my dad loved so much?" 512 00:27:34,651 --> 00:27:39,288 ♪ 513 00:27:39,389 --> 00:27:41,089 -Well, it goes without saying that we were all trying 514 00:27:41,224 --> 00:27:42,891 To do the right thing all along. 515 00:27:43,026 --> 00:27:44,625 We were basing our decisions 516 00:27:44,627 --> 00:27:47,228 On the best information that we had at the time. 517 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,598 Nobody wanted to do any harm to anyone. 518 00:27:52,035 --> 00:27:55,103 -If a bunch of things went really right 519 00:27:55,238 --> 00:27:58,707 And they identified very early on 520 00:27:58,842 --> 00:28:00,375 And got images early on 521 00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:02,443 And everything went about perfectly, 522 00:28:02,445 --> 00:28:03,578 Just maybe 523 00:28:03,713 --> 00:28:06,447 There could have been a rescue mission. 524 00:28:07,318 --> 00:28:09,718 But it's questionable whether you could get the other orbiter, 525 00:28:09,853 --> 00:28:11,920 Which would have been atlantis in this case, 526 00:28:11,922 --> 00:28:14,189 Processed and out to the pad in time 527 00:28:14,324 --> 00:28:18,326 Without putting that crew at serious risk. 528 00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:21,129 We would have had to pull together this huge effort 529 00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:23,398 In the eleventh hour to figure out how to fly 530 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,266 One shuttle next to the other 531 00:28:25,402 --> 00:28:27,001 To conduct an operation 532 00:28:27,003 --> 00:28:30,205 That you'd never trained or prepared for. 533 00:28:30,207 --> 00:28:32,473 It was not in the art of the possible 534 00:28:32,609 --> 00:28:34,809 Given what we knew. 535 00:28:35,813 --> 00:28:38,947 -The one tool we could have tried to look at 536 00:28:39,082 --> 00:28:43,218 Was changing the way entry is done, 537 00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,588 Trying to change how it enters the atmosphere. 538 00:28:48,425 --> 00:28:53,027 You can change the angle of attack coming in 539 00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:56,364 So you can lessen the heat in certain areas 540 00:28:56,367 --> 00:29:01,035 By moving to the other side and then come back again. 541 00:29:01,037 --> 00:29:04,573 -We can do all the "woulda, shoulda" all day long here. 542 00:29:04,708 --> 00:29:06,641 That's easy. 543 00:29:06,643 --> 00:29:10,511 When you actually have to make the decisions real time, 544 00:29:10,513 --> 00:29:13,048 You're doing some really complicated stuff. 545 00:29:13,183 --> 00:29:15,083 That's a lot harder. 546 00:29:17,855 --> 00:29:20,188 -I think that rick would have wanted to have known 547 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:23,258 Something was very wrong with the vehicle, 548 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,660 So he could have the opportunity to repair something 549 00:29:25,795 --> 00:29:27,562 Or fix something. 550 00:29:29,466 --> 00:29:32,601 But at the same time, there was also a trust 551 00:29:32,603 --> 00:29:35,771 That nasa would look out for their best interest. 552 00:29:39,476 --> 00:29:41,542 -In terms of a hypothetical -- 553 00:29:41,544 --> 00:29:44,545 And I think other people in senior levels 554 00:29:44,547 --> 00:29:47,348 That probably felt the same way -- 555 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:49,818 If we knew that the crew wasn't gonna survive, 556 00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:51,286 Why would we tell them? 557 00:29:51,387 --> 00:29:53,622 Why wouldn't we let them just carry out their mission 558 00:29:53,757 --> 00:29:56,658 And feel like they were successful you know? 559 00:29:59,395 --> 00:30:02,431 -The thing I can't get past is, if we had of known 560 00:30:02,532 --> 00:30:05,500 That entry was going to cause loss of the vehicle 561 00:30:05,635 --> 00:30:07,902 And loss of the crew, there are things we can do 562 00:30:07,904 --> 00:30:10,905 As human beings. 563 00:30:10,907 --> 00:30:13,241 And that is for the families, 564 00:30:13,243 --> 00:30:15,610 The chance to be able to say goodbye. 565 00:30:19,048 --> 00:30:21,650 That wasn't afforded to anyone. 566 00:30:22,585 --> 00:30:25,120 And that's always haunted me. 567 00:30:28,925 --> 00:30:30,491 Sorry. 568 00:30:30,527 --> 00:30:36,931 ♪ 569 00:30:37,066 --> 00:30:42,537 -Yes, there were individuals who made very poor decisions. 570 00:30:42,672 --> 00:30:46,207 You need to embrace dissenting opinions, 571 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:47,342 And if somebody says, 572 00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:49,811 "hey, let's get better data 573 00:30:49,947 --> 00:30:51,612 To make a decision," 574 00:30:51,748 --> 00:30:57,218 Why is getting better data a-a problem? 575 00:30:57,321 --> 00:30:59,554 But, I mean, I was in mission control. 576 00:30:59,556 --> 00:31:02,557 I was a nasa employee. I knew about the foam strike. 577 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,493 When there's blame that's laid out, 578 00:31:04,628 --> 00:31:07,762 I am right up there saying I knew. 579 00:31:08,532 --> 00:31:12,233 And I -- and I wish I could've done something differently. 580 00:31:12,235 --> 00:31:14,035 But I-I can't undo that. 581 00:31:14,171 --> 00:31:20,542 And it -- you can just make it better for those that follow. 582 00:31:22,245 --> 00:31:24,246 -I feel ashamed. 583 00:31:25,048 --> 00:31:26,114 So, who's guilty? 584 00:31:26,216 --> 00:31:27,448 I'm not just gonna say 585 00:31:27,584 --> 00:31:29,184 The program managers are. 586 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:30,651 We're all guilty. 587 00:31:30,787 --> 00:31:32,921 If you don't speak up for your own system 588 00:31:32,923 --> 00:31:35,990 And you're the victims of this environment, 589 00:31:36,125 --> 00:31:38,493 We're guilty, too. 590 00:31:40,797 --> 00:31:43,131 -During the mission, I could have easily done a story 591 00:31:43,266 --> 00:31:45,400 Saying, "this thing happened. 592 00:31:45,402 --> 00:31:47,468 While nasa is saying it's nothing, 593 00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:49,404 Some engineers believe there may be some concern." 594 00:31:49,406 --> 00:31:51,506 What if I had done that? 595 00:31:53,276 --> 00:31:54,609 I was the one who could have -- 596 00:31:54,744 --> 00:31:56,344 Should have and could have 597 00:31:56,479 --> 00:31:58,279 Owned that story in a way 598 00:31:58,281 --> 00:31:59,814 That potentially even might have changed 599 00:31:59,949 --> 00:32:01,716 The course of events. 600 00:32:03,086 --> 00:32:05,286 I definitely failed at my job. 601 00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:07,822 Just like they failed at theirs. 602 00:32:07,957 --> 00:32:09,958 And so, I'm part of the problem. 603 00:32:18,569 --> 00:32:21,302 [ applause ] -ladies and gentlemen, 604 00:32:21,405 --> 00:32:23,972 The president of the united states. 605 00:32:26,242 --> 00:32:30,178 - In 2010, the space shuttle, 606 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,580 After nearly 30 years of duty, 607 00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:35,850 Will be retired from service. 608 00:32:35,852 --> 00:32:39,187 -The minute columbia evaporated over texas, 609 00:32:39,322 --> 00:32:43,592 The shuttle program was ready to be retired. 610 00:32:43,693 --> 00:32:46,261 That's when I felt like, "wow, was all this in vain? 611 00:32:46,396 --> 00:32:47,996 No more shuttle program. They died. 612 00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:49,998 What did he -- what did they accomplish?" 613 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,468 There was not a lot positive at that point in time. 614 00:32:53,603 --> 00:32:57,071 -The legacy of columbia must carry on. 615 00:32:57,808 --> 00:33:01,075 The shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years 616 00:33:01,077 --> 00:33:02,611 Will be to help finish assembly 617 00:33:02,712 --> 00:33:05,614 Of the international space station. 618 00:33:05,715 --> 00:33:09,684 -This could easily have just stopped cold, 619 00:33:09,686 --> 00:33:13,954 But we made a decision to continue this exploration quest 620 00:33:13,956 --> 00:33:16,524 That they just gave their lives for. 621 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960 -2, 1. Booster ignition... 622 00:33:19,962 --> 00:33:22,697 And lift off of the space shuttle discovery 623 00:33:22,832 --> 00:33:24,499 Returning to the space station 624 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,969 Paving the way for future missions beyond. 625 00:33:28,105 --> 00:33:31,306 -I was very quickly assigned to the second return 626 00:33:31,441 --> 00:33:33,641 To flight mission sts-121. 627 00:33:33,644 --> 00:33:35,643 -Steve lindsey joined on the flight deck 628 00:33:35,646 --> 00:33:37,846 By pilot mark kelly, headed for six months 629 00:33:37,848 --> 00:33:39,647 On the international space station. 630 00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:41,850 -You know, certainly one of the legacies of columbia 631 00:33:41,852 --> 00:33:43,718 And the entire space shuttle program 632 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,455 Is we learned how to more safely fly 633 00:33:47,457 --> 00:33:50,458 The shuttle to honour its commitment 634 00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:53,528 As part of the international space station. 635 00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:55,864 -For that mission we did space walks 636 00:33:55,999 --> 00:33:59,333 To practise repairing tile outside, 637 00:33:59,335 --> 00:34:01,069 To repair the leading edge of the wing, 638 00:34:01,204 --> 00:34:03,538 The reinforced carbon-carbon. 639 00:34:03,639 --> 00:34:05,540 We developed techniques 640 00:34:05,641 --> 00:34:08,476 To make sure that we had the ability 641 00:34:08,478 --> 00:34:09,944 To repair the space shuttle 642 00:34:09,946 --> 00:34:13,047 If we find another hole in the wing or the tile. 643 00:34:13,116 --> 00:34:19,754 ♪ 644 00:34:19,756 --> 00:34:22,557 -Atlantis, welcome to the international space station 645 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,359 For the last time. 646 00:34:25,128 --> 00:34:28,429 -The shuttle had at long last served its purpose, 647 00:34:28,431 --> 00:34:31,632 In building the space station. 648 00:34:31,634 --> 00:34:33,434 But, as time went on, it was evident 649 00:34:33,537 --> 00:34:35,036 It was time to move onto something else. 650 00:34:35,172 --> 00:34:38,707 And frankly something with a fundamental redesign. 651 00:34:39,543 --> 00:34:42,577 -Having fired the imagination of a generation, 652 00:34:42,678 --> 00:34:44,845 Its place in history secured, 653 00:34:44,847 --> 00:34:48,516 The space shuttle pulls into port for the last time -- 654 00:34:48,518 --> 00:34:51,686 It's voyage at an end. 655 00:34:54,991 --> 00:34:58,593 -The idea of the us not having its own capability 656 00:34:58,694 --> 00:35:02,997 To fly to space again was looming. 657 00:35:02,999 --> 00:35:04,999 And I think if you took that away, 658 00:35:05,001 --> 00:35:08,202 We would feel as if we'd lost something meaningful 659 00:35:08,204 --> 00:35:12,807 And really central to our national identity. 660 00:35:14,411 --> 00:35:17,278 The question for nasa was -- 661 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,614 What happens next? 662 00:35:22,118 --> 00:35:25,820 ♪ 663 00:35:25,955 --> 00:35:27,956 -And here we go. 664 00:35:30,427 --> 00:35:33,561 5. Core stage engine start... 665 00:35:33,563 --> 00:35:36,030 3, 2, 1... 666 00:35:36,165 --> 00:35:37,832 Boosters and ignition. 667 00:35:37,834 --> 00:35:39,968 And lift off of artemis 1. 668 00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:44,405 We rise together back to the moon and beyond. 669 00:35:44,441 --> 00:35:50,711 ♪ 670 00:35:50,713 --> 00:35:53,982 -By going back to the moon and eventually onto mars, 671 00:35:54,117 --> 00:35:57,118 We can honour our fallen crew members from columbia 672 00:35:57,254 --> 00:35:59,320 And their families. 673 00:36:00,056 --> 00:36:03,724 -Artemis is a new rocket and a new space craft 674 00:36:03,726 --> 00:36:06,260 To send humans to the moon. 675 00:36:06,262 --> 00:36:09,530 As the mission management team chair for artemis 1, 676 00:36:09,633 --> 00:36:11,065 I took lessons learned 677 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,668 From the columbia accident investigation report 678 00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:16,337 And used that to guide the structure 679 00:36:16,473 --> 00:36:18,139 Of the mission management team 680 00:36:18,275 --> 00:36:20,741 To ensure we could hear dissenting opinions 681 00:36:20,743 --> 00:36:23,944 And other information was being communicated 682 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,883 In spite of potential management or communication challenges. 683 00:36:30,553 --> 00:36:32,020 It's tragic we had to go through 684 00:36:32,155 --> 00:36:34,689 The columbia accident to get here. 685 00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:38,893 So, I always remind myself of what's at stake 686 00:36:39,028 --> 00:36:43,631 If we don't retain those lessons. 687 00:36:43,633 --> 00:36:46,835 -As always, nasa's arrow is pointed up 688 00:36:46,936 --> 00:36:50,071 Towards the stars as it should be. 689 00:36:51,508 --> 00:36:53,374 It's about the united states , 690 00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:57,245 And our partners, remaining the leaders 691 00:36:57,247 --> 00:36:59,647 In aerospace technology and exploration. 692 00:36:59,782 --> 00:37:01,382 Here in the united states senate, 693 00:37:01,384 --> 00:37:03,784 I've got a little say on some of these programs, 694 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,320 And I'm trying to make sure that nasa has the resources 695 00:37:06,455 --> 00:37:11,125 It needs to fly people in space as safely as possible. 696 00:37:11,127 --> 00:37:14,262 American astronauts flying on american rockets 697 00:37:14,397 --> 00:37:18,466 From american soil into space once again. 698 00:37:18,601 --> 00:37:22,136 It's a very exciting time for our space program. 699 00:37:22,739 --> 00:37:25,540 Sending people into space is dangerous. 700 00:37:25,675 --> 00:37:28,543 More dangerous than most things. 701 00:37:29,279 --> 00:37:33,681 It's one of the riskiest things that people have ever done. 702 00:37:37,087 --> 00:37:40,088 -To be able to experience this incredible career 703 00:37:40,223 --> 00:37:42,690 Of being an astronaut was something 704 00:37:42,692 --> 00:37:46,895 That we always called a calculated risk. 705 00:37:46,996 --> 00:37:51,900 Rick died doing something that he was very passionate about. 706 00:37:52,001 --> 00:37:56,170 In the end, I had to very purposely make a decision 707 00:37:56,172 --> 00:37:57,772 That this was not gonna be something 708 00:37:57,873 --> 00:38:01,175 That was gonna define me for the rest of my life. 709 00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:03,978 I didn't want to go down that path of "it's your fault 710 00:38:04,113 --> 00:38:06,314 Or your fault, or I'm angry about this 711 00:38:06,316 --> 00:38:07,582 And I can't let go of it." 712 00:38:07,717 --> 00:38:09,317 None of that was a path 713 00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:12,086 I wanted to go on at all. 714 00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:16,590 I want to be a great mom 715 00:38:16,592 --> 00:38:18,593 And I want to be productive 716 00:38:18,728 --> 00:38:20,929 And not just be stuck in that one spot. 717 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:24,999 And god has been very merciful to help me with that 718 00:38:25,001 --> 00:38:28,002 Just to be able to keep moving forward. 719 00:38:31,207 --> 00:38:36,611 -I was angry that my mom chose to take that risk... 720 00:38:38,681 --> 00:38:42,150 ...Instead of staying with me. 721 00:38:42,152 --> 00:38:46,354 And I know it's probably a great benefit 722 00:38:46,356 --> 00:38:49,190 To the scientific community... 723 00:38:52,228 --> 00:38:58,032 ...And maybe a small risk of failure, 724 00:38:58,034 --> 00:39:03,271 But it's still kind of painful. 725 00:39:06,175 --> 00:39:08,676 -Daddy, I'm here! 726 00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:12,380 -Hi! 727 00:39:12,515 --> 00:39:14,716 -Oh, my gosh. 728 00:39:17,586 --> 00:39:19,387 It's crazy over here, right? 729 00:39:19,522 --> 00:39:20,588 -[ giggles ] 730 00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:22,824 -You need your sunglasses? 731 00:39:24,694 --> 00:39:26,727 Try 'em on. 732 00:39:26,830 --> 00:39:31,599 This is laurel, and she's my daughter. 733 00:39:31,701 --> 00:39:34,202 She has a lot of my mom's spirit. 734 00:39:34,204 --> 00:39:38,239 The same enthusiasm and positivity. 735 00:39:38,374 --> 00:39:42,810 ♪ 736 00:39:42,812 --> 00:39:46,146 I imagine... 737 00:39:46,148 --> 00:39:51,686 It would be harder if she wasn't such a great kid. 738 00:39:52,755 --> 00:39:55,189 So, I got pretty lucky there. 739 00:39:55,258 --> 00:40:02,897 ♪ 740 00:40:02,998 --> 00:40:05,032 -Nasa has released video footage 741 00:40:05,035 --> 00:40:06,767 Taken inside the cockpit 742 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:08,236 Of the space shuttle columbia. 743 00:40:08,371 --> 00:40:10,438 It was recorded in the final moments 744 00:40:10,573 --> 00:40:13,173 Before the shuttle broke up. 745 00:40:13,309 --> 00:40:17,111 The last part of the tape was burnt up in the accident. 746 00:40:59,021 --> 00:41:01,221 -It's years since the accident, 747 00:41:01,357 --> 00:41:04,092 And I've kind of reframed the way 748 00:41:04,193 --> 00:41:07,462 That I look at nasa as a whole. 749 00:41:08,965 --> 00:41:10,765 I forgive them. 750 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:14,769 And that my family forgives them. 751 00:41:14,904 --> 00:41:18,639 I think I still feel a little bit ambivalent 752 00:41:18,775 --> 00:41:22,977 About the future of space exploration. 753 00:41:23,078 --> 00:41:28,449 Part of me kind of wants to keep my distance. 754 00:41:28,585 --> 00:41:32,987 But I realise my dad died doing what he loved. 755 00:41:32,989 --> 00:41:37,858 And there's still kind of that little bit in me 756 00:41:37,961 --> 00:41:42,262 That if I got the chance to go to space, 757 00:41:42,398 --> 00:41:45,799 I think I can't pass up the opportunity 758 00:41:45,801 --> 00:41:48,369 To see what he saw. 759 00:41:51,106 --> 00:41:53,741 It would just be so moving 760 00:41:53,876 --> 00:41:57,377 To kind of put myself in his shoes. 761 00:41:57,380 --> 00:42:05,620 ♪ 762 00:42:05,755 --> 00:42:14,061 ♪ 60425

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