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-For the second time in nasa's history,
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A space shuttle has been lost along with its entire crew.
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Once again, we are asking ourselves,
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How could this have happened?
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-Do you have any idea how big that
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Piece of foam was that came off?
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-We'd heard some reports that during launch
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There had been some concerns that some debris
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Hit the wing.
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Is that true and is that any cause of concern
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And that could have caused today's problems?
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-It is true.
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It was judged that, erm ,
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That event did not represent a safety concern.
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-This happened under my watch,
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But I didn't have the answers.
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In every public forum
I'm gonna have to be in,
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How am I gonna explain
this to anybody?
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At this time, we have no indication
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That the mishap was caused by anything
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Or anyone on the ground.
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-Nasa
never wants to look stupid.
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Nasa wants to be the agency
with the answers.
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-My thoughts are on what we missed,
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What I missed
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To allow this to happen.
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-But if you overlook something,
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It will come to bite you one day
or another.
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-I was playing tennis
in mclean, virginia.
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I received a phone call saying
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That I would be flown
immediately
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To barksdale air force base.
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After challenger,
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Nasa had a contingency plan
in case
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There was a shuttle accident.
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I never really imagined
that it would happen.
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With columbia, we had people
who had experience
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With accident investigation
from the military,
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Navy, and air force on the team.
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-I came to the investigation
as a helicopter pilot
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Who knew something about doing
accident investigations.
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I did not come
to the investigation
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As a space shuttle expert.
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I literally knew nothing about
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How the shuttle
was put together.
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We needed nasa's help
because by definition,
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Everybody who came in
as an external part
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Of the investigation team
is not a space shuttle expert.
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There was years
of shuttle program knowledge
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That we needed to learn
very quickly.
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-There's that issue of the falling foam
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During the launch of space shuttle columbia.
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-Very early on nasa told us
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That they knew about a foam --
a debris event.
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But we didn't even know
enough about the shuttle
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To understand that
there was foam on the tanks.
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The press wants to know
what happened
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And it's like,
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"yep, so do we."
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-It's a mammoth job for those taking part in a mammoth task.
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-Covering many hundreds of square miles.
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-It's the largest recovery effort
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That has ever been attempted in this country.
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-As an investigator,
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I wanted as ironclad a case
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As we could possibly have
for the sequence
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Of events leading
to the cause of the crash
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Of space shuttle columbia.
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But if we were going to do that,
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We needed to collect
all the debris
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And reconstruct the shuttle.
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-1,200 sites have been identified.
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-All those pieces of columbia will be brought
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To the kennedy space center,
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Where it will be reassembled
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In a manner of speaking.
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-Really thousands of pieces of debris
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Are now pieces to a puzzle.
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-Under a crisp texas sky,
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Thousands of mourners are gathering,
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Including that man, neil armstrong ,
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As nasa gathers to sayfarewell to seven of its own.
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-Knowing that I wasn't
gonna see my dad again
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And losing that many people
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That you love and that
you're close to all at once.
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It was just so heavy.
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The world just became
a scary place.
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-Just felt like
I was so, like...
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Raw, just so...Exposed.
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-To have your dad die
in a public way,
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And you have press
focused in on you.
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I knew I didn't
want to be there.
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-Just like a feeling of, like,
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How are we supposed to act?
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-The grief is heavy.
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Our nation shares in your sorrow.
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And in your pride.
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-This isn't my own
personal loss.
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You kind of realise that this --
this is a public story,
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A national grieving.
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Everybody felt like
they lost something of theirs.
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-In your grief, you are responding
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As your friends would have wished,
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With focus, professionalism, and unbroken faith
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In the mission of this agency.
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The people of nasa are being tested once again.
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-I could see outside the window
all the crowd.
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I had my suit and tie on.
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And I said to myself,
"I'm gonna go outside,"
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And then I couldn't.
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I just shut the door,
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Locked it,
and I just sobbed at my desk.
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The president's talking outside,
and I was just sobbing,
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And sobbing, and sobbing.
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Inside johnson space center,
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The internal conflict
was building.
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-On the first day
that we went in,
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There were people
who received us very well,
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There were people who were
not happy that we were here.
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-I was one of the first people
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To be interviewed
and interrogated.
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I felt ok, I felt like,
"this is a good thing,
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This has to happen.
I hope they're thorough."
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-I think the folks
that were probably
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Less interested in our help
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Were more
at the management level in nasa.
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In some cases,
we're asking for data,
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And then they'd be like,
"I can't give you
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That information right now,
you're gonna have to
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Go up through a very formal
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Nasa chain of command
to be approved."
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-I call it the managers' club.
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It's a type of a culture
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Where there are rules of
behaviour and ways of talking.
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You don't jump
the chain of command.
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Don't -- and that's insulting
to go up to
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Someone higher and ask directly.
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You're supposed to coordinate
all your questions.
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-Are you going to risk
your career in nasa
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By standing up and arguing
with the chain of command?
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-You don't talk bluntly
or pose questions like that
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To a nasa manager.
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-Because that can be
very career limiting
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And you find yourself shuffled
off into a windowless room,
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Just going through paperwork.
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-I want the system -- I want the
nasa manager culture confronted.
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-Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome
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To the johnson space center
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For today's briefing.
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Again, joining me is
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Shuttle program manager ron dittemore.
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-Today I brought with me a piece of foam,
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And I think we've made some foam available to you
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So that you can get an understanding
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Of the composition of this material.
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It's very lightweight, which is logical.
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You would want it to be lightweight
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Because the more weight you put on the tank,
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The less upmassyou could launch into an orbit.
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So, it's difficultfor us to believe as engineers,
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As management and as a team,
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That this particular piece of foam debris shedding
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From the tank represented a safety of flight issue.
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-I caught some segment
that ron got into
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In which he said
in a declarative voice...
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-Right now, it just does not make sense to us
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That a piece of debris
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Would be the root cause
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For the loss of columbia and its crew.
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There's got to be another reason.
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-Well, how can he say that?
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Where is he getting that from?
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What a big denial.
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-To be certain it was foam
is nonsense, right?
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But to be certain it wasn't
foam is equally nonsense.
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Right? And that's what
they were saying.
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"it's not foam."
well, how do you know?
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-I know from
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The accident investigation
team's perspective,
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No one was gonna go public
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And say,
"we know what didn't happen."
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-You get that shot right there?
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That's a nasa official.
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He's holding a piece of foam,
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Which he is now saying
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Could not have had enough impact
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'cause it's too light to have damaged those tiles
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That we've been talking about.
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-I knew ron.
I had respect for ron.
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Ron was linda ham's boss
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And a good manager.
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But what's always
the first step in grief?
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Denial.
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-I called ron and I said,
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"ron, let me just
remind you, ok?
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We had a clear understanding
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That we are not
gonna eliminate anything
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Until the data has come in
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To definitively eliminate it."
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-To bring that out
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And dismiss it,
you know, pre-emptively,
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I think speaks volumes.
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At the very least
they had to acknowledge it.
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But it was acknowledging
their own mistakes
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And that's hard to do.
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-Each week there was
a new trailer load
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Of debris showed up,
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Came right in this hangar
through those doors,
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And it would be catalogued
and then put out on the floor.
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I want to know what
the debris is telling us,
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I want to know what
the aerodynamics are telling us,
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And I want to know
what the sensors are telling us.
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You follow the debris,
what's it telling you?
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And if you follow the logic,
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You begin to see pieces
that are telling you a story.
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As we were progressing through
the left-wing reconstruction,
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You can see these burned tiles,
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This reinforced carbon-carbon,
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Looks like it's been burned
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In a way that's very different
than everything else.
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All of that data pointed to
a problem at rcc panel 8.
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Something very different
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Happened in this location
on the orbiter.
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And so, let's go see if
we can understand what that was.
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-Ok, so, as the vehicle
is entering the atmosphere,
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These black tiles
are protecting the structure,
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The aluminium of the vehicle,
in high-heat areas.
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And the grey is
the wing leading edge
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Reinforced carbon-carbon,
rcc panels.
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Those protect the vehicle from
the highest level of heat,
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Those 3,000 degree temperatures,
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So that you don't get
metal melting.
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But we had never had any
experience in breaking a panel.
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-What was starting to join up
was you've got video analysis
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That says the strike
on the orbiter
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Created a hole in the wing.
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And you can see that
there had been
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Some sort of penetration
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Against the rcc panel.
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Hot gas had entered in,
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The shuttle had lost
aerodynamic control and crashed.
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But I think the challenge
for a lot of folks at nasa
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Was believing
that foam had done that.
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They would say foam can't
break reinforced carbon-carbon.
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There were a lot of people
that said there's something else
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That explains this.
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-We decided to ask nasa about
the history of foam strikes,
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Which had never been done.
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-I was asked by
the accident investigation team
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To help find that type
of information.
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I went through a database,
259
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There's a historical database of
all the space shuttle missions,
260
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From the very first shuttle
mission up until that day.
261
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I called the investigators
262
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And I said, "you're
not gonna believe this.
263
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Take a look at this."
264
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♪
265
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-I was shocked to find
266
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That there were
over a half a dozen occurrences
267
00:14:02,307 --> 00:14:04,708
Of foam strikes recorded.
268
00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:08,978
So, we turned that in
into the investigation board.
269
00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:14,850
-1983 was the first
bipod ramp foam loss.
270
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1990, 1992,
271
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'92 again, 1994.
272
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As well as those bigger pieces,
273
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We saw small pieces of foam
274
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Fall away all the time.
275
00:14:29,934 --> 00:14:32,268
What we call "popcorning".
276
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When popcorn pops,
it pops up and comes out
277
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And so that's what we call it,
popcorning.
278
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They weren't very big
so you're not talking about
279
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Much damage to the tiles.
280
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And so,
it had become the norm at nasa.
281
00:14:45,683 --> 00:14:48,151
This mantra --
"it's only foam,
282
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It's only foam.
283
00:14:49,687 --> 00:14:51,154
Hey, we see foam loss
all the time.
284
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And it never did any damage
to the vehicle.
285
00:14:53,358 --> 00:14:54,758
We don't have to worry
about it,
286
00:14:54,893 --> 00:14:56,593
It's only foam."
287
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Two missions before columbia
it happened on sts-112 atlantis.
288
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A significant strike hit
the skirt
289
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Of the solid rocket booster
and actually put a dent in it.
290
00:15:18,383 --> 00:15:20,516
-Prior till the launch
of columbia,
291
00:15:20,652 --> 00:15:22,518
And a couple of the meetings,
292
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The topic of foam
coming off 112 came up.
293
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There's probably, erm...
294
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15 to 20 people around the table
295
00:15:31,663 --> 00:15:35,498
And then there's a lot of other
people at nasa in the room.
296
00:15:37,568 --> 00:15:40,604
We talked about starting to look
into this a little bit more
297
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Because we've seen
it come off on, you know,
298
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More than one flight now.
299
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We should understand
if there's a way to prevent it.
300
00:15:50,581 --> 00:15:55,685
-Late October of 2002,
after sts-112 atlantis,
301
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I went to a meeting
about that flight.
302
00:15:59,590 --> 00:16:02,558
I had put together a report
about the foam loss
303
00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,694
And the damage
to the solid rocket booster.
304
00:16:04,829 --> 00:16:08,431
And I presented the case
that said,
305
00:16:08,566 --> 00:16:10,233
"that amount of foam,
306
00:16:10,368 --> 00:16:12,235
That mass,
307
00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:17,640
In one chunk coming
off shuttle atlantis --
308
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This was the vehicle
telling us something is wrong,
309
00:16:22,313 --> 00:16:23,446
Here's your warning."
310
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At risk of being insubordinate,
311
00:16:25,783 --> 00:16:28,584
I said to the heads
of the shuttle program
312
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Sitting around the centre table,
313
00:16:30,388 --> 00:16:33,256
I was adamant at that meeting,
314
00:16:33,358 --> 00:16:35,725
"either fix the problem
315
00:16:35,727 --> 00:16:39,395
Or don't fly an external tank
on the next launch,
316
00:16:39,498 --> 00:16:41,698
Which is impossible."
317
00:16:43,135 --> 00:16:44,400
From that meeting,
318
00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:47,803
I never heard any discussion of
319
00:16:47,939 --> 00:16:49,605
"let's get
a better understanding of this
320
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Before we schedule
the next launch."
321
00:16:51,076 --> 00:16:53,409
-In other words, again,
they were thinking
322
00:16:53,411 --> 00:16:55,545
It was more of
a turnaround issue.
323
00:16:55,646 --> 00:16:58,614
And so, it wasn't preventing
shuttle flights
324
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From going forward.
325
00:17:01,753 --> 00:17:06,155
-The pressure on the management
team to stay on schedule
326
00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:10,560
And the concept of,
"it's just foam"
327
00:17:10,661 --> 00:17:13,563
Is leading the charge
through all of this.
328
00:17:13,664 --> 00:17:16,832
-So, it wasn't like they weren't
talking about issues at all,
329
00:17:16,968 --> 00:17:21,338
But there certainly was a big
focus on the -- on the schedule.
330
00:17:24,976 --> 00:17:29,979
-Here's an e-mail,
it's Tuesday January 21st,
331
00:17:29,981 --> 00:17:34,351
This was sent six days
into the columbia mission.
332
00:17:36,387 --> 00:17:38,654
This is
a private exchange between
333
00:17:38,656 --> 00:17:40,790
Linda ham and ron dittemore,
334
00:17:40,925 --> 00:17:44,327
Two of the top managers
in the program.
335
00:17:45,263 --> 00:17:49,399
"the rationale for flight
for the sts-112 loss of foam
336
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Was lousy.
337
00:17:53,204 --> 00:17:56,005
The rationale states,
'we haven't changed anything,
338
00:17:56,007 --> 00:17:57,873
We haven't experienced
any safety
339
00:17:58,009 --> 00:18:00,476
Of flight damage
in 112 flights.'"
340
00:18:00,579 --> 00:18:02,011
The concluding sentence --
341
00:18:02,146 --> 00:18:05,815
"the rationale was
lousy then and it still is..."
342
00:18:05,817 --> 00:18:08,551
What I take that
to mean is that
343
00:18:08,686 --> 00:18:10,886
Linda ham is raising a concern,
344
00:18:10,888 --> 00:18:14,690
But they appear to rely on
the fact that previous flights
345
00:18:14,692 --> 00:18:16,159
Which had suffered
this foam loss,
346
00:18:16,294 --> 00:18:18,027
Had returned safely.
347
00:18:18,162 --> 00:18:23,098
In other words,
"we've gotten away with this".
348
00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:28,104
This is a failure to learn
from past similar events,
349
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,705
Simply because those flights
350
00:18:29,841 --> 00:18:32,175
Did not have
catastrophic consequences.
351
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:37,814
The classic -- the classic
normalisation of deviance.
352
00:18:40,252 --> 00:18:41,985
-You have to make sure
353
00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:45,989
That every incident
is thoroughly investigated
354
00:18:46,124 --> 00:18:48,791
And properly assessed.
355
00:18:48,794 --> 00:18:53,462
And that wasn't done
for the 112 foam loss.
356
00:18:53,464 --> 00:18:56,399
-People were saying they were
willing to accept the risk.
357
00:18:56,401 --> 00:18:57,933
What they didn't understand is
358
00:18:57,935 --> 00:19:00,536
How much risk they
were accepting.
359
00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:04,674
After the 112 loss,
people were starting to say,
360
00:19:04,775 --> 00:19:07,877
"maybe we're accepting
too much risk."
361
00:19:08,012 --> 00:19:11,080
-We should have never
launched columbia
362
00:19:11,215 --> 00:19:13,749
Until we fixed that problem.
363
00:19:13,885 --> 00:19:16,019
-Yeah, I was concerned,
you know?
364
00:19:16,021 --> 00:19:17,820
We were moving in
the right direction,
365
00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:20,457
We just didn't get there
in time.
366
00:19:25,896 --> 00:19:28,330
♪
367
00:19:28,466 --> 00:19:30,132
-Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to
368
00:19:30,268 --> 00:19:33,035
The johnson space center for today's briefing.
369
00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:38,740
♪
370
00:19:38,742 --> 00:19:40,876
-Lisa starke with abc news.
371
00:19:41,011 --> 00:19:43,145
When you realized that you had this debris
372
00:19:43,281 --> 00:19:45,947
That had struck the shuttle and you started your analysis,
373
00:19:45,949 --> 00:19:48,017
What was the discussion about trying to take a look
374
00:19:48,019 --> 00:19:50,285
Either through satellites or these large telescopes
375
00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:53,222
That the military has and why was the decision made
376
00:19:53,224 --> 00:19:56,425
Not to try that?
377
00:19:56,527 --> 00:19:59,228
-We certainly had that discussion.
378
00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:02,231
We believe that taking a picture ,
379
00:20:02,233 --> 00:20:03,965
Looking for tile damage,
380
00:20:03,967 --> 00:20:06,035
It does not show us the depth of tile
381
00:20:06,170 --> 00:20:07,837
That may have been shaved off.
382
00:20:07,938 --> 00:20:10,039
We cannot make a determination conclusively
383
00:20:10,041 --> 00:20:13,108
Whether that represents a concern or not.
384
00:20:13,711 --> 00:20:15,510
- Well, linda, reading through the transcripts,
385
00:20:15,512 --> 00:20:21,183
In hindsight were you sufficiently open to the idea
386
00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:24,186
That this was a really serious problem?
387
00:20:24,322 --> 00:20:26,321
-You're asking 20/20 hindsight or what --
388
00:20:26,456 --> 00:20:28,457
What my thought was then?
389
00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:30,192
-Well, it sounds like you were just kind of
390
00:20:30,328 --> 00:20:33,195
Seeking reassurance that everything was ok,
391
00:20:33,331 --> 00:20:35,464
As opposed to digging in and saying,
392
00:20:35,566 --> 00:20:37,199
'how do we know this? '
393
00:20:37,335 --> 00:20:39,334
-I didn't have a preconceived notion on the damage
394
00:20:39,336 --> 00:20:41,870
Or the possible consequences,and I needed to wait for them
395
00:20:41,873 --> 00:20:44,273
To complete their work.
396
00:20:44,275 --> 00:20:47,943
-The best experts at our disposal concluded
397
00:20:47,945 --> 00:20:52,814
That it was a minor problem, not a significant problem.
398
00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:54,950
-And when you added all that up,
399
00:20:55,085 --> 00:20:56,818
There was no need to take pictures
400
00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:58,420
To document any evidence
401
00:20:58,422 --> 00:21:00,822
Because we believed it to be superficial
402
00:21:00,958 --> 00:21:02,357
And it to be a turnaround issue
403
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,025
And not a safety issue.
404
00:21:04,161 --> 00:21:06,161
And so we -- we didn't take any pictures.
405
00:21:06,296 --> 00:21:07,829
-Had we known that there was
406
00:21:07,965 --> 00:21:09,498
A catastrophic situation on orbit,
407
00:21:09,633 --> 00:21:11,500
We certainly would have done everything we could.
408
00:21:11,635 --> 00:21:13,302
-Absolutely.
409
00:21:16,974 --> 00:21:18,173
-I...
410
00:21:18,308 --> 00:21:20,776
I'm not aware of anybody else
during the mission
411
00:21:20,877 --> 00:21:23,946
Asking for a photo request
and when.
412
00:21:24,982 --> 00:21:26,315
I only learned later
413
00:21:26,317 --> 00:21:28,717
That there really were
414
00:21:28,719 --> 00:21:30,585
People outside of our team
415
00:21:30,587 --> 00:21:34,055
That were trying
to do something about it.
416
00:21:34,057 --> 00:21:38,127
-I had no idea
what was happening
417
00:21:38,262 --> 00:21:40,930
Because there was
no communication.
418
00:21:41,031 --> 00:21:43,865
I'm not in the loop,
I'm not in the know,
419
00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:45,534
Nobody's talking to each other,
420
00:21:45,636 --> 00:21:47,469
So nobody knows what's going on.
421
00:21:47,471 --> 00:21:50,339
-The problem
that we had in nasa culturally
422
00:21:50,341 --> 00:21:54,075
At the time was people would not
speak up with their concerns.
423
00:21:54,211 --> 00:22:00,749
It was the most anti-dissenting
opinion place that I know of.
424
00:22:00,751 --> 00:22:03,652
People were scared silly
to speak up.
425
00:22:04,621 --> 00:22:08,089
-Nasa is a series of fiefdoms,
426
00:22:08,225 --> 00:22:11,560
And there isn't necessarily
a lot of exchange of knowledge
427
00:22:11,695 --> 00:22:14,295
Across those silos,
you know, frankly,
428
00:22:14,297 --> 00:22:18,000
The system is not designed
for good communication.
429
00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:21,903
But that's not an excuse,
430
00:22:21,905 --> 00:22:25,307
Because this foam problem was
a not a new problem.
431
00:22:25,443 --> 00:22:29,244
It was ignored right up
until an opportunity
432
00:22:29,379 --> 00:22:32,047
To intervene presented itself,
433
00:22:32,049 --> 00:22:37,052
And then that opportunity
to get a spy satellite
434
00:22:37,187 --> 00:22:41,122
To take a look was dismissed.
435
00:22:42,059 --> 00:22:46,862
To sort of stick to your guns
of convincing yourself
436
00:22:46,864 --> 00:22:49,231
That it's ok...
437
00:22:50,835 --> 00:22:53,168
...It just made matters worse.
438
00:22:58,208 --> 00:23:01,076
-I-I could --
I could only deal with the data
439
00:23:01,078 --> 00:23:03,212
That was presented to me.
440
00:23:03,347 --> 00:23:08,884
The whole situation was a case
of people doing their jobs
441
00:23:08,985 --> 00:23:10,552
As they understood them.
442
00:23:10,688 --> 00:23:13,555
But I think everybody
was operating with good faith.
443
00:23:13,691 --> 00:23:16,258
There was no, er...
444
00:23:20,898 --> 00:23:23,832
I wouldn't say malfeasance,
but negligence.
445
00:23:23,834 --> 00:23:25,366
There may have been --
446
00:23:25,368 --> 00:23:26,835
I don't even think
there was negligence,
447
00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:29,838
I just think
that the actions we took
448
00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:34,276
Were inadequate
for the problem we were facing.
449
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:41,717
-I think there was a mindset
and sort of a hope
450
00:23:41,852 --> 00:23:46,855
That we've seen
foam strikes before
451
00:23:46,857 --> 00:23:51,192
And it's never caused
a safety of flight issue.
452
00:23:51,194 --> 00:23:53,662
So, we're assuming
that's the case here,
453
00:23:53,797 --> 00:23:55,864
But not a sure thing.
454
00:23:58,936 --> 00:24:01,603
It seemed like
by staying ignorant
455
00:24:01,739 --> 00:24:03,538
Of the degree of damage,
456
00:24:03,673 --> 00:24:05,540
The mission management team
457
00:24:05,542 --> 00:24:08,744
Perhaps didn't want to know
about the worst-case scenario.
458
00:24:12,816 --> 00:24:15,350
-At this point,
from our work in the hangar,
459
00:24:15,352 --> 00:24:17,352
I think we have
enough information
460
00:24:17,354 --> 00:24:23,024
To say we found the physical
cause of the shuttle crash.
461
00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:25,026
But there were still
people at nasa
462
00:24:25,162 --> 00:24:26,828
Who didn't believe that foam
463
00:24:26,830 --> 00:24:29,164
Could break
reinforced carbon-carbon.
464
00:24:32,169 --> 00:24:34,235
-We're here at southwest research institute
465
00:24:34,371 --> 00:24:37,105
In san antonio, texas, to conduct a test
466
00:24:37,108 --> 00:24:41,443
To show whether foam could create a hole big enough
467
00:24:41,579 --> 00:24:44,846
To destroy the vehicle.
468
00:24:44,949 --> 00:24:46,848
-Everything came down to
whether or not
469
00:24:46,951 --> 00:24:50,185
The foam shot was gonna break
an rcc panel.
470
00:24:50,187 --> 00:24:56,591
But if our investigative
analysis is wrong, then what?
471
00:24:56,593 --> 00:25:01,430
-Five, four, three, two, one.
472
00:25:02,666 --> 00:25:04,466
-Whoa!
473
00:25:04,602 --> 00:25:06,935
[ indistinct chatter ]
474
00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:16,144
♪
475
00:25:16,147 --> 00:25:20,949
-Ok. Foam will break
reinforced carbon-carbon.
476
00:25:20,951 --> 00:25:23,752
-I mean, there was no doubt
at that point, right?
477
00:25:23,854 --> 00:25:26,021
Case closed.
478
00:25:26,023 --> 00:25:28,623
There's no denying it.
479
00:25:28,625 --> 00:25:33,162
You know, there was there was
foam falling from day one.
480
00:25:33,263 --> 00:25:36,398
They should have had
that test on day two.
481
00:25:39,837 --> 00:25:42,437
-This was a known failure.
482
00:25:42,439 --> 00:25:46,708
But I think the failure
to imagine being wrong,
483
00:25:46,844 --> 00:25:50,445
The failure to imagine
the consequences of failure
484
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:52,381
Were catastrophic.
485
00:25:52,383 --> 00:25:57,652
And I think it's
this whole notion of the failure
486
00:25:57,654 --> 00:25:59,988
To imagine failure.
487
00:26:04,127 --> 00:26:05,526
-Nasa's trying to move forward
488
00:26:05,528 --> 00:26:07,195
After Tuesday's blistering report,
489
00:26:07,198 --> 00:26:08,797
Blaming it for failing to prevent
490
00:26:08,899 --> 00:26:10,932
The shuttle columbia tragedy.
491
00:26:10,934 --> 00:26:13,134
-Nasa stands accused of complacency
492
00:26:13,136 --> 00:26:15,003
Of a flawed safety culture
493
00:26:15,005 --> 00:26:17,606
Of major management failures.
494
00:26:17,608 --> 00:26:21,142
Technical failures,but also about a human failure.
495
00:26:21,144 --> 00:26:24,279
-Nasa had conflicting goals of cost,
496
00:26:24,281 --> 00:26:26,014
Schedule, and safety.
497
00:26:26,016 --> 00:26:28,617
It's our view thatclearly there is still evidence
498
00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:33,955
Of a silent safety program with echoes of challenger.
499
00:26:34,058 --> 00:26:36,157
-They knew about the foam,
500
00:26:36,293 --> 00:26:41,296
They could take pictures,
and people chose not to.
501
00:26:41,431 --> 00:26:45,700
Felt almost like
they had betrayed him.
502
00:26:45,702 --> 00:26:47,569
-Why?
503
00:26:47,705 --> 00:26:48,970
Why?
504
00:26:48,972 --> 00:26:51,840
The only reason
505
00:26:51,942 --> 00:26:53,708
Was because of the way
506
00:26:53,710 --> 00:26:56,245
They made decisions
within that culture.
507
00:26:56,346 --> 00:26:58,780
-I felt angry.
I mean, I just
508
00:26:58,916 --> 00:27:01,250
Was extremely disappointed.
509
00:27:01,351 --> 00:27:06,721
-Pure grief and sadness
turned into anger and disgust.
510
00:27:06,856 --> 00:27:09,658
It kind of became
this inner struggle in me of,
511
00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:15,497
"how can I hate this thing
that my dad loved so much?"
512
00:27:34,651 --> 00:27:39,288
♪
513
00:27:39,389 --> 00:27:41,089
-Well, it goes without saying that we were all trying
514
00:27:41,224 --> 00:27:42,891
To do the right thing all along.
515
00:27:43,026 --> 00:27:44,625
We were basing our decisions
516
00:27:44,627 --> 00:27:47,228
On the best information that we had at the time.
517
00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,598
Nobody wanted to do any harm to anyone.
518
00:27:52,035 --> 00:27:55,103
-If a bunch of things
went really right
519
00:27:55,238 --> 00:27:58,707
And they identified
very early on
520
00:27:58,842 --> 00:28:00,375
And got images early on
521
00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:02,443
And everything went about
perfectly,
522
00:28:02,445 --> 00:28:03,578
Just maybe
523
00:28:03,713 --> 00:28:06,447
There could have been
a rescue mission.
524
00:28:07,318 --> 00:28:09,718
But it's questionable whether
you could get the other orbiter,
525
00:28:09,853 --> 00:28:11,920
Which would have been
atlantis in this case,
526
00:28:11,922 --> 00:28:14,189
Processed and out to the pad
in time
527
00:28:14,324 --> 00:28:18,326
Without putting that crew
at serious risk.
528
00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:21,129
We would have had to pull
together this huge effort
529
00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:23,398
In the eleventh hour
to figure out how to fly
530
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,266
One shuttle next to the other
531
00:28:25,402 --> 00:28:27,001
To conduct an operation
532
00:28:27,003 --> 00:28:30,205
That you'd never trained
or prepared for.
533
00:28:30,207 --> 00:28:32,473
It was not
in the art of the possible
534
00:28:32,609 --> 00:28:34,809
Given what we knew.
535
00:28:35,813 --> 00:28:38,947
-The one tool
we could have tried to look at
536
00:28:39,082 --> 00:28:43,218
Was changing the way
entry is done,
537
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,588
Trying to change
how it enters the atmosphere.
538
00:28:48,425 --> 00:28:53,027
You can change the angle
of attack coming in
539
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:56,364
So you can lessen the heat
in certain areas
540
00:28:56,367 --> 00:29:01,035
By moving to the other side
and then come back again.
541
00:29:01,037 --> 00:29:04,573
-We can do all the "woulda,
shoulda" all day long here.
542
00:29:04,708 --> 00:29:06,641
That's easy.
543
00:29:06,643 --> 00:29:10,511
When you actually have to make
the decisions real time,
544
00:29:10,513 --> 00:29:13,048
You're doing some
really complicated stuff.
545
00:29:13,183 --> 00:29:15,083
That's a lot harder.
546
00:29:17,855 --> 00:29:20,188
-I think that rick
would have wanted to have known
547
00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:23,258
Something was very wrong
with the vehicle,
548
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,660
So he could have the opportunity
to repair something
549
00:29:25,795 --> 00:29:27,562
Or fix something.
550
00:29:29,466 --> 00:29:32,601
But at the same time,
there was also a trust
551
00:29:32,603 --> 00:29:35,771
That nasa would look out
for their best interest.
552
00:29:39,476 --> 00:29:41,542
-In terms of a hypothetical --
553
00:29:41,544 --> 00:29:44,545
And I think other people
in senior levels
554
00:29:44,547 --> 00:29:47,348
That probably felt
the same way --
555
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:49,818
If we knew that
the crew wasn't gonna survive,
556
00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:51,286
Why would we tell them?
557
00:29:51,387 --> 00:29:53,622
Why wouldn't we let them
just carry out their mission
558
00:29:53,757 --> 00:29:56,658
And feel like they were
successful you know?
559
00:29:59,395 --> 00:30:02,431
-The thing I can't get past is,
if we had of known
560
00:30:02,532 --> 00:30:05,500
That entry was going to
cause loss of the vehicle
561
00:30:05,635 --> 00:30:07,902
And loss of the crew,
there are things we can do
562
00:30:07,904 --> 00:30:10,905
As human beings.
563
00:30:10,907 --> 00:30:13,241
And that is for the families,
564
00:30:13,243 --> 00:30:15,610
The chance to be
able to say goodbye.
565
00:30:19,048 --> 00:30:21,650
That wasn't afforded to anyone.
566
00:30:22,585 --> 00:30:25,120
And that's always haunted me.
567
00:30:28,925 --> 00:30:30,491
Sorry.
568
00:30:30,527 --> 00:30:36,931
♪
569
00:30:37,066 --> 00:30:42,537
-Yes, there were individuals
who made very poor decisions.
570
00:30:42,672 --> 00:30:46,207
You need to embrace
dissenting opinions,
571
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:47,342
And if somebody says,
572
00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:49,811
"hey, let's get better data
573
00:30:49,947 --> 00:30:51,612
To make a decision,"
574
00:30:51,748 --> 00:30:57,218
Why is getting
better data a-a problem?
575
00:30:57,321 --> 00:30:59,554
But, I mean,
I was in mission control.
576
00:30:59,556 --> 00:31:02,557
I was a nasa employee.
I knew about the foam strike.
577
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,493
When there's blame
that's laid out,
578
00:31:04,628 --> 00:31:07,762
I am right up there
saying I knew.
579
00:31:08,532 --> 00:31:12,233
And I -- and I wish I could've
done something differently.
580
00:31:12,235 --> 00:31:14,035
But I-I can't undo that.
581
00:31:14,171 --> 00:31:20,542
And it -- you can just make
it better for those that follow.
582
00:31:22,245 --> 00:31:24,246
-I feel ashamed.
583
00:31:25,048 --> 00:31:26,114
So, who's guilty?
584
00:31:26,216 --> 00:31:27,448
I'm not just gonna say
585
00:31:27,584 --> 00:31:29,184
The program managers are.
586
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:30,651
We're all guilty.
587
00:31:30,787 --> 00:31:32,921
If you don't speak up
for your own system
588
00:31:32,923 --> 00:31:35,990
And you're the victims
of this environment,
589
00:31:36,125 --> 00:31:38,493
We're guilty, too.
590
00:31:40,797 --> 00:31:43,131
-During the mission,
I could have easily done a story
591
00:31:43,266 --> 00:31:45,400
Saying, "this thing happened.
592
00:31:45,402 --> 00:31:47,468
While nasa is saying
it's nothing,
593
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:49,404
Some engineers believe
there may be some concern."
594
00:31:49,406 --> 00:31:51,506
What if I had done that?
595
00:31:53,276 --> 00:31:54,609
I was the one who could have --
596
00:31:54,744 --> 00:31:56,344
Should have
and could have
597
00:31:56,479 --> 00:31:58,279
Owned that story in a way
598
00:31:58,281 --> 00:31:59,814
That potentially
even might have changed
599
00:31:59,949 --> 00:32:01,716
The course of events.
600
00:32:03,086 --> 00:32:05,286
I definitely failed at my job.
601
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:07,822
Just like they failed at theirs.
602
00:32:07,957 --> 00:32:09,958
And so, I'm part of the problem.
603
00:32:18,569 --> 00:32:21,302
[ applause ] -ladies and gentlemen,
604
00:32:21,405 --> 00:32:23,972
The president of the united states.
605
00:32:26,242 --> 00:32:30,178
- In 2010, the space shuttle,
606
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,580
After nearly 30 years of duty,
607
00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:35,850
Will be retired from service.
608
00:32:35,852 --> 00:32:39,187
-The minute columbia
evaporated over texas,
609
00:32:39,322 --> 00:32:43,592
The shuttle program
was ready to be retired.
610
00:32:43,693 --> 00:32:46,261
That's when I felt like,
"wow, was all this in vain?
611
00:32:46,396 --> 00:32:47,996
No more shuttle program.
They died.
612
00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:49,998
What did he --
what did they accomplish?"
613
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,468
There was not a lot positive
at that point in time.
614
00:32:53,603 --> 00:32:57,071
-The legacy of columbia must carry on.
615
00:32:57,808 --> 00:33:01,075
The shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years
616
00:33:01,077 --> 00:33:02,611
Will be to help finish assembly
617
00:33:02,712 --> 00:33:05,614
Of the international space station.
618
00:33:05,715 --> 00:33:09,684
-This could easily
have just stopped cold,
619
00:33:09,686 --> 00:33:13,954
But we made a decision to
continue this exploration quest
620
00:33:13,956 --> 00:33:16,524
That they just gave
their lives for.
621
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960
-2, 1. Booster ignition...
622
00:33:19,962 --> 00:33:22,697
And lift off of the space shuttle discovery
623
00:33:22,832 --> 00:33:24,499
Returning to the space station
624
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,969
Paving the way for future missions beyond.
625
00:33:28,105 --> 00:33:31,306
-I was very quickly assigned
to the second return
626
00:33:31,441 --> 00:33:33,641
To flight mission sts-121.
627
00:33:33,644 --> 00:33:35,643
-Steve lindsey joined on the flight deck
628
00:33:35,646 --> 00:33:37,846
By pilot mark kelly, headed for six months
629
00:33:37,848 --> 00:33:39,647
On the international space station.
630
00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:41,850
-You know, certainly one
of the legacies of columbia
631
00:33:41,852 --> 00:33:43,718
And the entire
space shuttle program
632
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,455
Is we learned
how to more safely fly
633
00:33:47,457 --> 00:33:50,458
The shuttle to honour
its commitment
634
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:53,528
As part of the
international space station.
635
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:55,864
-For that mission
we did space walks
636
00:33:55,999 --> 00:33:59,333
To practise repairing
tile outside,
637
00:33:59,335 --> 00:34:01,069
To repair the leading edge
of the wing,
638
00:34:01,204 --> 00:34:03,538
The reinforced carbon-carbon.
639
00:34:03,639 --> 00:34:05,540
We developed techniques
640
00:34:05,641 --> 00:34:08,476
To make sure
that we had the ability
641
00:34:08,478 --> 00:34:09,944
To repair the space shuttle
642
00:34:09,946 --> 00:34:13,047
If we find another hole
in the wing or the tile.
643
00:34:13,116 --> 00:34:19,754
♪
644
00:34:19,756 --> 00:34:22,557
-Atlantis, welcome tothe international space station
645
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,359
For the last time.
646
00:34:25,128 --> 00:34:28,429
-The shuttle had at long last
served its purpose,
647
00:34:28,431 --> 00:34:31,632
In building the space station.
648
00:34:31,634 --> 00:34:33,434
But, as time went on,
it was evident
649
00:34:33,537 --> 00:34:35,036
It was time to move onto
something else.
650
00:34:35,172 --> 00:34:38,707
And frankly something
with a fundamental redesign.
651
00:34:39,543 --> 00:34:42,577
-Having fired the imagination of a generation,
652
00:34:42,678 --> 00:34:44,845
Its place in history secured,
653
00:34:44,847 --> 00:34:48,516
The space shuttle pulls into port for the last time --
654
00:34:48,518 --> 00:34:51,686
It's voyage at an end.
655
00:34:54,991 --> 00:34:58,593
-The idea of the us
not having its own capability
656
00:34:58,694 --> 00:35:02,997
To fly to space again
was looming.
657
00:35:02,999 --> 00:35:04,999
And I think
if you took that away,
658
00:35:05,001 --> 00:35:08,202
We would feel as if
we'd lost something meaningful
659
00:35:08,204 --> 00:35:12,807
And really central
to our national identity.
660
00:35:14,411 --> 00:35:17,278
The question for nasa was --
661
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,614
What happens next?
662
00:35:22,118 --> 00:35:25,820
♪
663
00:35:25,955 --> 00:35:27,956
-And here we go.
664
00:35:30,427 --> 00:35:33,561
5. Core stage engine start...
665
00:35:33,563 --> 00:35:36,030
3, 2, 1...
666
00:35:36,165 --> 00:35:37,832
Boosters and ignition.
667
00:35:37,834 --> 00:35:39,968
And lift off of artemis 1.
668
00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:44,405
We rise together back to the moon and beyond.
669
00:35:44,441 --> 00:35:50,711
♪
670
00:35:50,713 --> 00:35:53,982
-By going back to the moon
and eventually onto mars,
671
00:35:54,117 --> 00:35:57,118
We can honour our fallen
crew members from columbia
672
00:35:57,254 --> 00:35:59,320
And their families.
673
00:36:00,056 --> 00:36:03,724
-Artemis is a new rocket and a new space craft
674
00:36:03,726 --> 00:36:06,260
To send humans to the moon.
675
00:36:06,262 --> 00:36:09,530
As the mission management
team chair for artemis 1,
676
00:36:09,633 --> 00:36:11,065
I took lessons learned
677
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,668
From the columbia accident
investigation report
678
00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:16,337
And used that
to guide the structure
679
00:36:16,473 --> 00:36:18,139
Of the mission management team
680
00:36:18,275 --> 00:36:20,741
To ensure we could hear
dissenting opinions
681
00:36:20,743 --> 00:36:23,944
And other information
was being communicated
682
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,883
In spite of potential management
or communication challenges.
683
00:36:30,553 --> 00:36:32,020
It's tragic we had to go through
684
00:36:32,155 --> 00:36:34,689
The columbia accident
to get here.
685
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:38,893
So, I always remind myself
of what's at stake
686
00:36:39,028 --> 00:36:43,631
If we don't retain
those lessons.
687
00:36:43,633 --> 00:36:46,835
-As always, nasa's arrow is pointed up
688
00:36:46,936 --> 00:36:50,071
Towards the stars as it should be.
689
00:36:51,508 --> 00:36:53,374
It's about the united states ,
690
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:57,245
And our partners, remaining the leaders
691
00:36:57,247 --> 00:36:59,647
In aerospace technology and exploration.
692
00:36:59,782 --> 00:37:01,382
Here in
the united states senate,
693
00:37:01,384 --> 00:37:03,784
I've got a little say
on some of these programs,
694
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,320
And I'm trying to make sure
that nasa has the resources
695
00:37:06,455 --> 00:37:11,125
It needs to fly people
in space as safely as possible.
696
00:37:11,127 --> 00:37:14,262
American astronauts flying on american rockets
697
00:37:14,397 --> 00:37:18,466
From american soil into space once again.
698
00:37:18,601 --> 00:37:22,136
It's a very exciting time for our space program.
699
00:37:22,739 --> 00:37:25,540
Sending people into space
is dangerous.
700
00:37:25,675 --> 00:37:28,543
More dangerous than most things.
701
00:37:29,279 --> 00:37:33,681
It's one of the riskiest things
that people have ever done.
702
00:37:37,087 --> 00:37:40,088
-To be able to experience
this incredible career
703
00:37:40,223 --> 00:37:42,690
Of being an astronaut
was something
704
00:37:42,692 --> 00:37:46,895
That we always called
a calculated risk.
705
00:37:46,996 --> 00:37:51,900
Rick died doing something that
he was very passionate about.
706
00:37:52,001 --> 00:37:56,170
In the end, I had to very
purposely make a decision
707
00:37:56,172 --> 00:37:57,772
That this was not gonna
be something
708
00:37:57,873 --> 00:38:01,175
That was gonna define me
for the rest of my life.
709
00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:03,978
I didn't want to go down
that path of "it's your fault
710
00:38:04,113 --> 00:38:06,314
Or your fault,
or I'm angry about this
711
00:38:06,316 --> 00:38:07,582
And I can't let go of it."
712
00:38:07,717 --> 00:38:09,317
None of that was a path
713
00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:12,086
I wanted to go on at all.
714
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:16,590
I want to be a great mom
715
00:38:16,592 --> 00:38:18,593
And I want to be productive
716
00:38:18,728 --> 00:38:20,929
And not just be stuck
in that one spot.
717
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:24,999
And god has been very merciful
to help me with that
718
00:38:25,001 --> 00:38:28,002
Just to be able to keep
moving forward.
719
00:38:31,207 --> 00:38:36,611
-I was angry that my mom
chose to take that risk...
720
00:38:38,681 --> 00:38:42,150
...Instead of staying with me.
721
00:38:42,152 --> 00:38:46,354
And I know it's probably
a great benefit
722
00:38:46,356 --> 00:38:49,190
To the scientific community...
723
00:38:52,228 --> 00:38:58,032
...And maybe a small risk
of failure,
724
00:38:58,034 --> 00:39:03,271
But it's still kind of painful.
725
00:39:06,175 --> 00:39:08,676
-Daddy, I'm here!
726
00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:12,380
-Hi!
727
00:39:12,515 --> 00:39:14,716
-Oh, my gosh.
728
00:39:17,586 --> 00:39:19,387
It's crazy over here, right?
729
00:39:19,522 --> 00:39:20,588
-[ giggles ]
730
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:22,824
-You need your sunglasses?
731
00:39:24,694 --> 00:39:26,727
Try 'em on.
732
00:39:26,830 --> 00:39:31,599
This is laurel,
and she's my daughter.
733
00:39:31,701 --> 00:39:34,202
She has a lot of
my mom's spirit.
734
00:39:34,204 --> 00:39:38,239
The same enthusiasm
and positivity.
735
00:39:38,374 --> 00:39:42,810
♪
736
00:39:42,812 --> 00:39:46,146
I imagine...
737
00:39:46,148 --> 00:39:51,686
It would be harder
if she wasn't such a great kid.
738
00:39:52,755 --> 00:39:55,189
So, I got pretty lucky there.
739
00:39:55,258 --> 00:40:02,897
♪
740
00:40:02,998 --> 00:40:05,032
-Nasa has released video footage
741
00:40:05,035 --> 00:40:06,767
Taken inside the cockpit
742
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:08,236
Of the space shuttle columbia.
743
00:40:08,371 --> 00:40:10,438
It was recorded in the final moments
744
00:40:10,573 --> 00:40:13,173
Before the shuttle broke up.
745
00:40:13,309 --> 00:40:17,111
The last part of the tape was burnt up in the accident.
746
00:40:59,021 --> 00:41:01,221
-It's years since the accident,
747
00:41:01,357 --> 00:41:04,092
And I've kind of
reframed the way
748
00:41:04,193 --> 00:41:07,462
That I look at nasa
as a whole.
749
00:41:08,965 --> 00:41:10,765
I forgive them.
750
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:14,769
And that my family
forgives them.
751
00:41:14,904 --> 00:41:18,639
I think I still feel
a little bit ambivalent
752
00:41:18,775 --> 00:41:22,977
About the future
of space exploration.
753
00:41:23,078 --> 00:41:28,449
Part of me kind of
wants to keep my distance.
754
00:41:28,585 --> 00:41:32,987
But I realise my dad died
doing what he loved.
755
00:41:32,989 --> 00:41:37,858
And there's still kind of
that little bit in me
756
00:41:37,961 --> 00:41:42,262
That if I got the chance
to go to space,
757
00:41:42,398 --> 00:41:45,799
I think I can't pass up
the opportunity
758
00:41:45,801 --> 00:41:48,369
To see what he saw.
759
00:41:51,106 --> 00:41:53,741
It would just be so moving
760
00:41:53,876 --> 00:41:57,377
To kind of put myself
in his shoes.
761
00:41:57,380 --> 00:42:05,620
♪
762
00:42:05,755 --> 00:42:14,061
♪
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