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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,446 --> 00:00:27,414 As a kid growing up in the ghetto, 2 00:00:27,416 --> 00:00:32,553 one of the things I wanted most was not money, it was fame. 3 00:00:32,555 --> 00:00:37,291 I wanted to be known. I want the people to say, "Hey, there goes O.J." 4 00:00:47,036 --> 00:00:50,904 You're approaching five years now at Lovelock. 5 00:00:50,906 --> 00:00:53,073 Tell us about your work assignments. 6 00:00:53,075 --> 00:00:57,278 How have you occupied your time for the past five years? 7 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,647 Uh, when I first came here, I was a porter, 8 00:00:59,649 --> 00:01:03,384 which comprised of cleaning things in the unit that I was in, 9 00:01:03,386 --> 00:01:07,554 and basically after a relatively short period of time, 10 00:01:07,556 --> 00:01:10,891 I started working as a gym worker. 11 00:01:10,893 --> 00:01:15,763 I start each day, um, disinfecting, uh, the workout equipment in the gym, 12 00:01:15,765 --> 00:01:20,734 mopping floors with the other, uh, group of us that work in the gym. 13 00:01:20,736 --> 00:01:25,306 Uh, I've coached teams, um, uh, since I've been here. 14 00:01:25,308 --> 00:01:27,174 Uh, and I like to say that we won the championship, 15 00:01:27,176 --> 00:01:30,411 and we were old guys, a totally mixed group of players. 16 00:01:30,413 --> 00:01:32,613 I didn't play, I just coached. 17 00:01:32,615 --> 00:01:38,185 I do see that in 1994 you were arrested at the age of 46. 18 00:01:40,122 --> 00:01:41,789 We... We're talking about this case? 19 00:01:41,791 --> 00:01:43,590 No, the age at first arrest. 20 00:01:43,592 --> 00:01:47,428 How old were you, first time you were arrested? For any reason. 21 00:01:52,601 --> 00:01:55,202 Um, I think about 46, yes. 22 00:02:19,061 --> 00:02:22,129 With an enrollment of approximately 16,000 students, 23 00:02:22,131 --> 00:02:24,331 this is the largest and oldest university 24 00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:27,134 of continuous existence in Southern California. 25 00:02:27,136 --> 00:02:30,237 Its buildings and grounds cover 45 acres 26 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:32,806 and it has graduated many thousands of men and women 27 00:02:32,808 --> 00:02:35,609 who are now leaders in the business and professional world. 28 00:02:44,153 --> 00:02:45,686 I didn't know that much about him. 29 00:02:45,688 --> 00:02:48,789 I heard about his reputation coming out of junior college. 30 00:02:56,832 --> 00:03:01,435 He was big, fast, powerful, dynamic. 31 00:03:01,437 --> 00:03:03,937 You're awed, because you haven't seen that. 32 00:03:07,009 --> 00:03:09,843 I was teaching part-time at San Jose State and a friend of mine said, 33 00:03:09,845 --> 00:03:15,749 "Hey, man, you gotta go check out this little cat from, um, San Francisco. 34 00:03:15,751 --> 00:03:17,985 His name is Simpson. Orenthal James Simpson." 35 00:03:19,922 --> 00:03:22,856 O.J. takes the football. Boom. 36 00:03:24,293 --> 00:03:28,262 I think he runs about 90 yards with it for a touchdown. 37 00:03:29,732 --> 00:03:33,300 He ran through 'em like foreign water through a tourist. 38 00:03:37,573 --> 00:03:42,443 San Jose State was trying to recruit him, and I asked him, 39 00:03:42,445 --> 00:03:44,978 "O.J., what is it that you're lookin' for?" 40 00:03:47,149 --> 00:03:50,317 Said, "I wanna be the best. 41 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:53,020 I wanna go to a school where I play against the best." 42 00:03:57,059 --> 00:04:00,961 Superstar phenom is coming to USC 43 00:04:00,963 --> 00:04:03,063 and all the buzz that goes around with it. 44 00:04:04,733 --> 00:04:07,968 This is Marguerite Simpson. 45 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:10,671 She and O.J. have been married for five months now. 46 00:04:10,673 --> 00:04:11,839 Right. 47 00:04:11,841 --> 00:04:13,674 Are you happy after five months? 48 00:04:13,676 --> 00:04:15,108 Yes, I'm very happy. 49 00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:16,677 And do you like this campus and everything? 50 00:04:16,679 --> 00:04:20,681 I love it. It's like a resort. It's beautiful. 51 00:04:20,683 --> 00:04:23,283 Now, you tell us the truth, Marguerite. What kind of guy is O.J.? 52 00:04:23,285 --> 00:04:27,788 O.J. is very serious. He loves football. 53 00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:29,923 And he's just a serious person. 54 00:04:34,196 --> 00:04:36,263 He has a great running sense. 55 00:04:36,265 --> 00:04:38,932 Uh, as a team man, he's an outstanding person. 56 00:04:38,934 --> 00:04:42,769 As a citizen, he is a tremendous boy and, uh, 57 00:04:42,771 --> 00:04:45,806 I don't think we've had a boy around here who has ever been any better. 58 00:04:45,808 --> 00:04:48,542 Whoo! Get up! 59 00:04:48,544 --> 00:04:53,347 It was pretty obvious early on that O.J. was a superiorathlete, special, 60 00:04:53,349 --> 00:04:57,618 and Coach McKay was warmer and closer with him. 61 00:04:57,620 --> 00:05:02,055 He had never had a player of this caliber. And you didn't mess with it. 62 00:05:02,057 --> 00:05:03,590 He protected him. 63 00:05:06,829 --> 00:05:08,729 Johnny, would you describe that devastating 64 00:05:08,731 --> 00:05:11,064 Southern Cal offensive attack for us? 65 00:05:11,066 --> 00:05:14,001 Well, Duffy, I don't... I don't know how devastating it is, but our attack 66 00:05:14,003 --> 00:05:17,538 is built around the, uh, tailback, O.J. Simpson, running a football. 67 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:21,275 We think our attack will be able to let us move the ball on most people. 68 00:05:23,512 --> 00:05:25,746 There was no drama. 69 00:05:25,748 --> 00:05:29,316 John McKay was gonna give him the football, 70 00:05:29,318 --> 00:05:32,019 and he was gonna give it to him 35, 40 times a game 71 00:05:32,021 --> 00:05:33,220 and you were gonna tackle him. 72 00:05:34,723 --> 00:05:40,260 And then when you missed, we were gonna score a touchdown. 73 00:05:40,262 --> 00:05:42,996 So we fed him the football, fed him the football... 74 00:05:46,602 --> 00:05:49,269 He had incredible stamina, 75 00:05:49,271 --> 00:05:54,007 that he could take the ball every play and keep on going. 76 00:05:56,111 --> 00:05:59,179 Every game he did something that was eye-opening. 77 00:05:59,181 --> 00:06:01,148 You... "What? Did I see that?" 78 00:06:03,719 --> 00:06:06,119 He was one of a kind. 79 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,401 This is O.J. Simpson, USC's junior halfback. 80 00:06:21,403 --> 00:06:25,038 You have been getting an awful lot of publicity lately. 81 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,306 How does it affect you? Does it bother ya? 82 00:06:26,308 --> 00:06:27,908 Oh, it doesn't bother me at all. 83 00:06:27,910 --> 00:06:29,610 It's... It's a matter of winning, I guess. 84 00:06:29,612 --> 00:06:31,244 If you win, you get publicity, 85 00:06:31,246 --> 00:06:34,881 and they have to give someone in our offense and on our team publicity, 86 00:06:34,883 --> 00:06:36,717 and, uh, I'm just in a position to get it, 87 00:06:36,719 --> 00:06:39,953 running at the tailback and carrying the ball as much as I do. 88 00:06:39,955 --> 00:06:42,756 O.J., you've got an awful big game on Saturday. 89 00:06:42,758 --> 00:06:46,393 It's the big intercity rivalry. There's just all kind of pressure. 90 00:06:46,395 --> 00:06:47,928 How does the pressure affect you? 91 00:06:47,930 --> 00:06:49,997 Well, uh, I don't know. 92 00:06:49,999 --> 00:06:50,831 I don't think the pressure bothers... 93 00:06:50,833 --> 00:06:52,616 It doesn't bother me and... 94 00:06:52,617 --> 00:06:54,400 and I think most of the team right now, it's not bothering them yet. 95 00:06:54,403 --> 00:06:56,269 I'm sure it will tomorrow. 96 00:06:56,271 --> 00:06:58,438 We're shooting for all the marbles this week, 97 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,607 and, uh, I think we'll be relaxed and ready to go. 98 00:07:10,119 --> 00:07:14,054 USC football is not a matter of life and death. 99 00:07:15,958 --> 00:07:18,992 It's much more important than that. 100 00:07:18,994 --> 00:07:20,927 Live and in color, you are looking at this view, 101 00:07:20,929 --> 00:07:25,766 hovering above the Memorial Coliseum which is jam packed today. 102 00:07:25,768 --> 00:07:29,136 As we look at Gary Beban, a reminder that college football, 103 00:07:29,138 --> 00:07:32,773 a pleasant and colorful way to spend an autumn afternoon. 104 00:07:34,143 --> 00:07:37,444 UCLA's quarterback was Gary Beban. 105 00:07:37,446 --> 00:07:39,880 It's gonna be his year for the Heisman Trophy. 106 00:07:41,116 --> 00:07:44,384 So we have the upcomer running back 107 00:07:44,386 --> 00:07:46,953 against the established superstar quarterback. 108 00:07:50,626 --> 00:07:54,628 We were ranked number 4, they were ranked number 1. 109 00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:58,799 The city of Los Angeles, the two top teams in the country, 110 00:07:58,801 --> 00:08:01,968 and we're fighting for the national championship. 111 00:08:01,970 --> 00:08:05,038 Today with 10 cameras covering this game, 112 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,808 over 200, uh, newsmen here, 200 photographers. 113 00:08:07,810 --> 00:08:10,510 There were people out here this morning at 6 o'clock 114 00:08:10,512 --> 00:08:12,145 trying to get in to the ballgame. 115 00:08:12,147 --> 00:08:14,214 And the ballgame is underway. 116 00:08:14,216 --> 00:08:16,750 I had never been to a college game ever. 117 00:08:16,752 --> 00:08:18,585 And we all wanted to go see O.J. 118 00:08:18,587 --> 00:08:23,457 Offensively now for the Trojans, watch for number 32, O.J. Simpson. 119 00:08:26,829 --> 00:08:28,495 None of us had any tickets. 120 00:08:28,497 --> 00:08:31,198 All of a sudden, we looked up and someone had cut a hole 121 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,869 in the Coliseum fence and about 50 people ran through it, including us. 122 00:08:35,871 --> 00:08:39,172 Okay, Bud, we have approximately 9 minutes remaining in the first half. 123 00:08:39,174 --> 00:08:41,842 I'd never seen the Coliseum full like that. 124 00:08:41,844 --> 00:08:45,245 There was just the colors, I was in awe. 125 00:08:45,247 --> 00:08:51,284 Tie ballgame, and they are in UCLA territory. Steve Sogge. Simpson. 126 00:08:53,355 --> 00:08:58,291 There's his brilliance. Thirteen yards. Touchdown. 127 00:08:58,293 --> 00:09:03,897 A tremendously gifted athlete, number 32, O.J. Simpson. 128 00:09:03,899 --> 00:09:06,099 Everybody loved watching O.J. run. 129 00:09:06,101 --> 00:09:08,034 As we look at it in slow motion... 130 00:09:08,036 --> 00:09:09,102 There was something about his style. 131 00:09:09,104 --> 00:09:10,937 ... O.J. Simpson. 132 00:09:10,939 --> 00:09:13,573 I said, "Man, if I could but run half as well as this guy, 133 00:09:13,575 --> 00:09:14,875 I might be all right." 134 00:09:14,877 --> 00:09:19,980 Beban hooking. Deep and long to Copeland. 135 00:09:19,982 --> 00:09:23,016 UCLA has tied it up. 136 00:09:26,121 --> 00:09:28,922 There is Nuttall. 137 00:09:28,924 --> 00:09:31,958 Touchdown, UCLA. 138 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,964 And with 11 minutes and 40 seconds left in the game UCLA gets the lead. 139 00:09:37,966 --> 00:09:41,301 We were losing. And we were fighting. 140 00:09:41,303 --> 00:09:43,970 O.J. Simpson is deep. Number 32. 141 00:09:43,972 --> 00:09:46,006 And he's determined. 142 00:09:46,008 --> 00:09:49,276 We were outplaying them, 143 00:09:49,278 --> 00:09:53,113 and we were very angry that we were not winning that game. 144 00:09:53,115 --> 00:09:54,514 Thirty. Moving away, 145 00:09:54,516 --> 00:09:59,519 and sheer sake of effort brings him out to the 43-yard line. 146 00:09:59,521 --> 00:10:04,524 Things weren't going our way until that run. 147 00:10:04,526 --> 00:10:07,928 Rose Bowl bid, Bud, is at stake. 148 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:09,462 Everything that they've fought for all year, 149 00:10:09,464 --> 00:10:12,332 it's coming down to the wire now, Chris. These final minutes. 150 00:10:12,334 --> 00:10:15,836 At the 36-yard line, a 4-yard gain, 151 00:10:15,838 --> 00:10:17,971 it'll be third down at three for the Trojans. 152 00:10:17,973 --> 00:10:19,439 It was a pass play. 153 00:10:19,441 --> 00:10:20,607 They need three yards. 154 00:10:20,609 --> 00:10:25,111 In the audible, and some guys missed the audible. 155 00:10:27,316 --> 00:10:31,551 I couldn't hear it. I made a mistake. I stood up to pass block. 156 00:10:31,553 --> 00:10:34,955 The linebacker read me and backed into his passing zone, 157 00:10:34,957 --> 00:10:37,724 and that opened up a lane for O.J. 158 00:10:37,726 --> 00:10:39,960 And he did his magic. 159 00:10:39,962 --> 00:10:43,163 First down and more. There's Simpson. 160 00:10:43,165 --> 00:10:46,299 Look at that cut! O.J. Simpson! 161 00:10:48,237 --> 00:10:49,736 All she wrote. 162 00:10:49,738 --> 00:10:56,743 64 yards. 64 thrilling, captivating, collegiate football yards, 163 00:10:56,745 --> 00:11:00,080 and let's look at that one again. Wow. 164 00:11:00,082 --> 00:11:03,884 Don't recall seeing anybody that can turn it on like this boy, Chris. 165 00:11:03,886 --> 00:11:09,189 If you were a football fan in the late '60s and someone said to you, 166 00:11:09,191 --> 00:11:13,093 "Do you remember the run," it was just one run. 167 00:11:14,763 --> 00:11:18,899 That set O.J. apart from everyone. 168 00:11:18,901 --> 00:11:21,668 He's so much faster, it makes no difference. 169 00:11:21,670 --> 00:11:29,542 That single play is still felt to be one of the greatest college plays. 170 00:11:29,544 --> 00:11:33,146 He became an instant national star. 171 00:11:38,186 --> 00:11:40,854 A civil rights leader in Los Angeles has said 172 00:11:40,856 --> 00:11:43,123 if you are going to be a negro in a big city, 173 00:11:43,125 --> 00:11:45,659 then, Los Angeles is the best place to be. 174 00:11:59,541 --> 00:12:03,209 The image of Los Angeles was milk and honey. 175 00:12:03,211 --> 00:12:08,882 There's no prejudice in Los Angeles. Everybody's free to do what they will. 176 00:12:08,884 --> 00:12:16,222 You know, palm trees and sunshine. It's just the ultimate place. 177 00:12:16,224 --> 00:12:19,392 And anybody who was trying to go somewhere, at least in my area, 178 00:12:19,394 --> 00:12:21,127 you know, they were going to Los Angeles. 179 00:12:24,299 --> 00:12:27,901 There is no group in America to whom California has meant more 180 00:12:27,903 --> 00:12:30,136 than it has to the negroes. 181 00:12:30,138 --> 00:12:34,140 In the two decades between 1940 and 1960, 182 00:12:34,142 --> 00:12:36,743 while the population of all other groups in Los Angeles 183 00:12:36,745 --> 00:12:42,048 went up by 100 percent, the negro population went up by 600 percent. 184 00:12:43,986 --> 00:12:45,785 Where do the people come from? 185 00:12:45,787 --> 00:12:51,224 People come from the states of Texas, Louisiana, Georgia... 186 00:12:59,634 --> 00:13:05,839 The hope is that all the trouble I've known will be gone. 187 00:13:05,841 --> 00:13:12,512 2, 4, 6, 8, we don't wanna integrate! 188 00:13:12,514 --> 00:13:16,950 I will no longer be held down by this notion 189 00:13:16,952 --> 00:13:19,219 held against my skin and my hair. 190 00:13:33,735 --> 00:13:39,239 More literally, I can get work because it's growing so fast here. 191 00:13:39,241 --> 00:13:40,807 And I can buy a house, 192 00:13:40,809 --> 00:13:43,543 and nobody's ever gonna come take it away from me because I'm black. 193 00:13:45,414 --> 00:13:48,481 This is something that you didn't have in the deep South. 194 00:13:51,019 --> 00:13:55,388 The Simpsons are from Rodessa, Louisiana. 195 00:13:55,390 --> 00:13:59,426 My parents and his parents, they grew up on a 200-acre farm. 196 00:13:59,428 --> 00:14:03,396 Although they had land, there was no opportunity for people of color, 197 00:14:03,398 --> 00:14:06,099 so everybody "got out of Dodge", as they say. 198 00:14:07,669 --> 00:14:11,137 O.J. and I were born in San Francisco in '47. 199 00:14:13,942 --> 00:14:15,175 He had aspirations. 200 00:14:16,511 --> 00:14:21,047 He knew that he wanted to better his circumstances, 201 00:14:21,049 --> 00:14:26,052 and LA was the place to do that. 202 00:14:26,054 --> 00:14:28,354 I moved out here looking for opportunities. 203 00:14:28,356 --> 00:14:31,558 My grandmother gave me 67 dollars for a ticket, 204 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,627 and my mother gave me 65 dollars to spend, 205 00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:37,397 and I got on a plane, one-way ticket. 206 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:39,966 If I had the money, I would've gone back home, 207 00:14:39,968 --> 00:14:43,136 'cause it was very, very troubling once I got out here. 208 00:14:43,138 --> 00:14:47,273 Racism out here was as stark as it was in Jim Crow South. 209 00:14:51,746 --> 00:14:57,484 You don't really have any more power out here than you had there. 210 00:14:57,486 --> 00:15:02,288 Everybody was always conscious of the police. 211 00:15:03,892 --> 00:15:05,258 You a friend of Jack Grant's? 212 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:06,126 Why? 213 00:15:06,127 --> 00:15:06,993 Jack Grant a friend of yours? 214 00:15:06,995 --> 00:15:08,161 I'm not gonna tell ya. 215 00:15:08,163 --> 00:15:11,397 I grew up watching the Los Angeles Police Department. 216 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:15,635 They just were so sharp and professional all the time, 217 00:15:15,637 --> 00:15:18,004 if you watched things that depicted them. 218 00:15:18,006 --> 00:15:19,672 I'm Lieutenant Moore of the Los Angeles Police Department. 219 00:15:19,674 --> 00:15:21,174 Hell, no, we won't go. 220 00:15:21,176 --> 00:15:23,176 If you do not leave now, you will be arrested 221 00:15:23,178 --> 00:15:26,279 for violation of section 602-J. 222 00:15:26,281 --> 00:15:28,181 They were just always squared away. 223 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,486 The institutional culture was really clear. 224 00:15:33,488 --> 00:15:37,357 We expected you to be the best, we expected you to be professional. 225 00:15:37,359 --> 00:15:40,126 It's not like it was in the '30s and '40s. 226 00:15:40,128 --> 00:15:42,662 Police officers don't take bribes. 227 00:15:42,664 --> 00:15:48,101 There's none of that stuff, that had been cleaned up by Chief Parker. 228 00:15:48,103 --> 00:15:51,004 Chief Parker turned a very corrupt police department 229 00:15:51,006 --> 00:15:54,774 into what was viewed as a very honest police department, 230 00:15:54,776 --> 00:15:58,178 but with that he brought a level of being untouchable. 231 00:16:00,448 --> 00:16:03,550 Everything at the police academy was white, 232 00:16:03,552 --> 00:16:07,187 in the sense of command staff, officers, all the trainers were white. 233 00:16:09,457 --> 00:16:10,890 Bill Parker was reputed 234 00:16:10,892 --> 00:16:14,294 to have actually recruited police officers from the Klan rallies, 235 00:16:17,465 --> 00:16:22,702 I think he, at minimum, was racially insensitive, 236 00:16:22,704 --> 00:16:25,805 at maximum, he was racist. 237 00:16:27,676 --> 00:16:31,311 Police officers under Bill Parker would respond to a radio call, 238 00:16:31,313 --> 00:16:34,347 they would go snatch the person who was causing trouble, 239 00:16:34,349 --> 00:16:35,982 put 'em in the car, take 'em out and leave. 240 00:16:35,984 --> 00:16:37,984 So their interaction with the community 241 00:16:37,986 --> 00:16:42,222 was almost entirely based on apprehension, 242 00:16:42,224 --> 00:16:45,592 and that's where the notion of an occupying army comes from. 243 00:16:48,697 --> 00:16:51,431 Just getting tired of being pushed around by you white people, that's all. 244 00:16:51,433 --> 00:16:54,667 You stoppin' us on the street, kickin' down the doors, 245 00:16:54,669 --> 00:16:57,337 takin' down to the police station, you're kicking our teeth in. 246 00:16:57,339 --> 00:17:01,608 Well, he took me in the car and, uh, he just started getting on me. 247 00:17:01,610 --> 00:17:02,709 But was there a fight? 248 00:17:02,711 --> 00:17:06,112 How can I fight with my hands stuck? 249 00:17:06,114 --> 00:17:10,750 The complaint that you hear everywhere is that the negro 250 00:17:10,752 --> 00:17:13,119 is not getting the same treatment from the police as the... 251 00:17:13,121 --> 00:17:15,455 Well, I know, but I'm getting a little bit weary of that, 252 00:17:15,457 --> 00:17:17,257 and I think perhaps the best thing to do 253 00:17:17,259 --> 00:17:19,559 is just to pull the police out of the area. 254 00:17:19,561 --> 00:17:21,294 I've offered to do that again and again, 255 00:17:21,296 --> 00:17:22,929 but you see how quick they are to come back and say, 256 00:17:22,931 --> 00:17:24,297 "We can't afford to have that." 257 00:17:30,105 --> 00:17:32,305 The negroes are stepping up, they're waking up, 258 00:17:32,307 --> 00:17:35,708 and they're gonna do something about what the white man did to them. 259 00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:39,946 I'm not afraid of bloodshed. If I have to die for my rights, I will. 260 00:17:42,083 --> 00:17:47,320 54 square miles in the middle of the nation's third-largest city. 261 00:17:47,322 --> 00:17:50,256 No one expected the flashpoint of discontent to be 262 00:17:50,258 --> 00:17:54,627 in the sprawling, bungalow'd 450 square miles of Los Angeles. 263 00:17:57,065 --> 00:17:59,832 This is when a fuse was lighted. 264 00:17:59,834 --> 00:18:02,969 It began with the arrest by white officers of two young negroes, 265 00:18:02,971 --> 00:18:06,572 one on a charge of drunk driving, the other his brother. 266 00:18:06,574 --> 00:18:08,007 Their mother came to the scene. 267 00:18:08,009 --> 00:18:09,676 There was an argument, there was a scuffle. 268 00:18:09,678 --> 00:18:12,645 By then, a crowd of several hundred negroes had gathered. 269 00:18:12,647 --> 00:18:16,015 The story of police brutality quickly spread through the community. 270 00:18:27,929 --> 00:18:29,996 The Watts riots. I was 10 years old, man. 271 00:18:39,607 --> 00:18:41,774 It was summer, it was hot, 272 00:18:41,776 --> 00:18:45,945 and white policemen had been treating us like shit forever. 273 00:18:45,947 --> 00:18:49,115 And we were gonna respond. 274 00:18:53,388 --> 00:18:57,190 The police in their idiocy responded with too much force 275 00:18:57,192 --> 00:19:00,960 and not enough understanding, and it mushroomed. 276 00:19:06,067 --> 00:19:07,734 I was nervous. 277 00:19:07,736 --> 00:19:09,802 There were people screaming, people shooting, 278 00:19:09,804 --> 00:19:12,305 people lying on the ground, not moving. 279 00:19:12,307 --> 00:19:15,041 The police, four-deep in a car, all holding up shotguns. 280 00:19:17,979 --> 00:19:22,014 The Watts riot was one of the first major events in the city of LA 281 00:19:22,016 --> 00:19:24,350 that was caught on TV. 282 00:19:24,352 --> 00:19:28,821 People who grew up looking at those kinds of activities in the South, 283 00:19:28,823 --> 00:19:32,592 they thought that's where all of the racial divide was. 284 00:19:32,594 --> 00:19:35,328 The only thing was missing in LA, there weren't dogs. 285 00:19:35,330 --> 00:19:38,231 Hands up there. Get 'em up. Get your hands up. Let's go. 286 00:19:43,671 --> 00:19:46,873 I got home and my father was sitting there, upset, and he says, 287 00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:48,574 "You know, Walter, they're out there, riot." 288 00:19:50,845 --> 00:19:55,415 And he says, "I wanna do that. I feel that. I feel that anger. 289 00:19:57,452 --> 00:20:01,020 I know it's wrong, so I can't do it. But I want to." 290 00:20:09,063 --> 00:20:10,696 I didn't think it was a big deal. 291 00:20:10,698 --> 00:20:13,132 I didn't think these people were, quote, "persecuted". 292 00:20:13,134 --> 00:20:17,069 I didn't think these people had any problem. Why were they rioting? 293 00:20:17,071 --> 00:20:19,605 I was as naïve as any other white person. 294 00:20:19,607 --> 00:20:24,010 This area is being closed. Please go in your homes. 295 00:20:27,315 --> 00:20:29,549 The question came down from white people after Watts. 296 00:20:29,551 --> 00:20:32,718 They said, "Do most black people feel like this?" 297 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,454 And the answer came back, 298 00:20:34,456 --> 00:20:38,658 "About 99 percent of them feel like this. And one percent are really mad." 299 00:20:40,462 --> 00:20:43,296 In creating this situation, where was the failure? 300 00:20:43,298 --> 00:20:45,898 On the part of the city, the county, the schools? 301 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:49,168 This, sir, I think, is one of the difficulties in meeting this, 302 00:20:49,170 --> 00:20:52,638 is that we're trying to find a failure other than the people themselves. 303 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,408 They came in and... and flooded a community 304 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:57,310 that wasn't prepared to meet them. 305 00:20:57,312 --> 00:20:59,846 We didn't ask these people to come here. 306 00:21:01,182 --> 00:21:04,116 So long as this stubborn attitude is maintained, 307 00:21:04,118 --> 00:21:06,652 I can only see the situation worsening. 308 00:21:09,257 --> 00:21:14,126 I can still smell the smoulderings of that event. 309 00:21:14,128 --> 00:21:19,832 There was nervousness all over the place 310 00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:26,205 that would ultimately translate into traumatizing an entire community. 311 00:21:26,207 --> 00:21:29,642 Better to make all the rioting stop. 312 00:21:29,644 --> 00:21:32,445 I don't think it'll ever stop, really. 313 00:21:32,447 --> 00:21:33,746 Ever? 314 00:21:35,049 --> 00:21:41,053 And the institution that gave life to O.J. Simpson's image 315 00:21:41,055 --> 00:21:44,857 and presence nationally and beyond was located 316 00:21:44,859 --> 00:21:48,394 right in the middle of that very same neighborhood. 317 00:21:50,164 --> 00:21:56,536 USC was an isolated, beautiful school right next to the LA Coliseum 318 00:21:56,538 --> 00:22:02,875 and on the other side were the slums of LA. Basically Watts. 319 00:22:06,014 --> 00:22:11,083 Everyone was warned not to go down on that side of the Coliseum. 320 00:22:13,888 --> 00:22:16,389 At the University of Southern California, 321 00:22:16,391 --> 00:22:18,724 they have a living legend, and at homecoming, 322 00:22:18,726 --> 00:22:21,193 that's all they wanna talk about. 323 00:22:21,195 --> 00:22:24,397 The name of the legend is O.J. Simpson. 324 00:22:24,399 --> 00:22:28,100 When you saw him on campus, it was like, "Wow! There's O.J.!" 325 00:22:28,102 --> 00:22:31,070 And you might go up and wave and say, "Way to go, O.J.," 326 00:22:31,072 --> 00:22:32,838 and he'd give you a big smile, 327 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,941 and you felt like you were a million dollars. 328 00:22:34,943 --> 00:22:37,743 You felt fantastic. "O.J. Simpson said "hi" to me!" 329 00:22:37,745 --> 00:22:38,911 Yeah. 330 00:22:38,913 --> 00:22:39,912 Hey, O.J., how are ya? How's it... ? 331 00:22:39,914 --> 00:22:41,247 Working hard. 332 00:22:41,249 --> 00:22:43,182 I hope you're gonna be smiling Saturday. 333 00:22:43,184 --> 00:22:47,286 Yeah, in about four days or five. I plan to. 334 00:22:47,288 --> 00:22:51,223 For most of the USC students, I wager, O.J. Simpson 335 00:22:51,225 --> 00:22:55,962 was the first African-American they really got to see and talk to. 336 00:22:55,964 --> 00:22:58,030 Because most of them didn't know African-Americans at all, 337 00:22:58,032 --> 00:22:59,899 or any person of color. 338 00:22:59,901 --> 00:23:02,401 We are! SC! 339 00:23:02,403 --> 00:23:04,370 We are! SC! 340 00:23:04,372 --> 00:23:09,609 USC was a football school, it was a Hollywood school, 341 00:23:09,611 --> 00:23:13,045 it was glamour and glitz, 342 00:23:13,047 --> 00:23:16,482 it was not the University of California at Berkeley. 343 00:23:16,484 --> 00:23:18,651 It was not San Jose State. 344 00:23:18,653 --> 00:23:21,921 Fight, fight, fight, fight! 345 00:23:21,923 --> 00:23:26,626 It was above and beyond reach of the movement. 346 00:23:30,498 --> 00:23:38,838 O.J. went to USC in 1967, so he's plucked out of the black community, 347 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:46,479 out of black consciousness, and he's submerged in an all-white university. 348 00:23:46,481 --> 00:23:49,749 And I say this, and I don't say it facetiously, 349 00:23:49,751 --> 00:23:57,056 but he is seduced by white society. 350 00:24:01,295 --> 00:24:06,932 USC controls TV, Hollywood, banking, finance, 351 00:24:06,934 --> 00:24:09,268 law and medicine in Los Angeles. 352 00:24:11,372 --> 00:24:15,207 The alumni are very powerful, and their whole existence 353 00:24:15,209 --> 00:24:18,944 revolves around the success of the football team. 354 00:24:18,946 --> 00:24:21,447 And O.J. is leading them to glory. 355 00:24:24,185 --> 00:24:28,888 It was that type of school with that type of power and control 356 00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:31,123 that could be directed towards him. 357 00:24:35,196 --> 00:24:37,196 The black man has been brainwashed, 358 00:24:37,198 --> 00:24:39,131 and it's time for him to learn something about himself. 359 00:24:40,334 --> 00:24:42,968 The word "black" is a part of the times. 360 00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:46,672 We are succumbing to the demands of the black man in the street 361 00:24:46,674 --> 00:24:51,877 who says that the negro is dead and the black man is alive. 362 00:24:51,879 --> 00:24:55,381 It was a condition that I was born into; 363 00:24:55,383 --> 00:24:58,451 the unfairness, the racism, the hatred, 364 00:25:00,154 --> 00:25:05,124 the poverty that we had in this country. 365 00:25:07,061 --> 00:25:10,796 You can't balance that with being a football hero. 366 00:25:18,439 --> 00:25:23,609 In the '60s, societal issues were pushing their way into sports. 367 00:25:26,914 --> 00:25:30,416 It has been said that I have two alternatives, 368 00:25:30,418 --> 00:25:34,019 either go to jail or go to the army. 369 00:25:34,021 --> 00:25:38,090 There was this engagement of the athlete. 370 00:25:38,092 --> 00:25:41,227 Some major athletes stood up. 371 00:25:41,229 --> 00:25:44,363 Nine top negro athletes meet with Cassius Clay 372 00:25:44,365 --> 00:25:46,699 to discuss his anti-draft stand. 373 00:25:46,701 --> 00:25:49,101 They include Bill Russell, Lou Alcindor, 374 00:25:49,103 --> 00:25:51,937 and former pro-footballer Jimmy Brown. 375 00:25:54,709 --> 00:25:58,544 Every man in that room was a soldier. 376 00:25:58,546 --> 00:26:01,413 Every man in that room, for nothing other than his beliefs 377 00:26:01,415 --> 00:26:06,118 and backing another brother, felt that he should be there 378 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,320 and the hell with the consequences. 379 00:26:10,658 --> 00:26:16,495 Jim Brown, Bill Russell, Ali, for sure, were race men. 380 00:26:16,497 --> 00:26:19,598 They stood up for principle 381 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,469 and damaged their commercial possibilities. 382 00:26:23,471 --> 00:26:26,939 They pointed to the discrimination, 383 00:26:26,941 --> 00:26:30,776 not only of all blacks, but of black athletes, 384 00:26:30,778 --> 00:26:35,014 of people who were supposedly given entitlement in America. 385 00:26:38,186 --> 00:26:42,354 At the time you were supposed to be satisfied. Or grateful. 386 00:26:43,925 --> 00:26:46,659 Why would someone that's making money 387 00:26:46,661 --> 00:26:49,862 and cheered by 80,000 people be complaining? 388 00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:59,205 For me, it was really a matter of fairness and what is correct. 389 00:26:59,207 --> 00:27:03,542 The United States has hypocritically put itself up 390 00:27:03,544 --> 00:27:07,646 as the leader of the free world, while right here in this country 391 00:27:07,648 --> 00:27:12,318 there are 22 million black people who are catching more hell 392 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,821 than anyone in any communist country ever dreamed of. 393 00:27:15,823 --> 00:27:21,060 Black men and women athletes, professional and amateur, 394 00:27:21,062 --> 00:27:25,297 have unanimously voted to fully endorse and participate 395 00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:30,102 in a boycott of the World Olympic Games in 1968. 396 00:27:36,644 --> 00:27:38,711 The movement on the West Coast recently 397 00:27:38,713 --> 00:27:42,681 in which Lou Alcindor supposedly said he might not play in the Olympics. 398 00:27:42,683 --> 00:27:44,316 What are your thoughts? 399 00:27:44,318 --> 00:27:47,853 Well, um... Well, this is his prerogative. 400 00:27:47,855 --> 00:27:51,190 I'm not too well enlightened on the situation. 401 00:27:51,192 --> 00:27:53,325 I don't know exactly what they're trying to do, you know. 402 00:27:56,364 --> 00:28:00,432 The whole idea behind the Olympic Project for Human Rights 403 00:28:00,434 --> 00:28:05,671 was to escalate the relationship between elite athletes 404 00:28:05,673 --> 00:28:10,109 and the civil rights movement. 405 00:28:10,111 --> 00:28:15,214 Let me say that I absolutely support this boycott. 406 00:28:15,216 --> 00:28:20,219 I would also like to commend the outstanding athletes 407 00:28:20,221 --> 00:28:24,423 who have the courage to make it clear that they will not participate 408 00:28:24,425 --> 00:28:30,629 unless something is done about these terrible evils and injustices. 409 00:28:30,631 --> 00:28:33,365 O.J. was approached because he was 410 00:28:33,367 --> 00:28:36,869 the biggest name in collegiate athletics at that time. 411 00:28:39,307 --> 00:28:42,441 He was also a world record-holding track star. 412 00:28:42,443 --> 00:28:43,309 That's O.J. Simpson... 413 00:28:43,311 --> 00:28:46,745 So here we got two for one. 414 00:28:46,747 --> 00:28:49,448 ... and Lennox Miller... 415 00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:53,319 When I asked him, I said we were trying to get black athletes 416 00:28:53,321 --> 00:28:56,956 to understand they have a role in the current civil rights movement, 417 00:28:56,958 --> 00:29:00,826 his response was, "I'm not black. I'm O.J." 418 00:29:00,828 --> 00:29:03,929 What they think is right, I guess, they must follow their beliefs. 419 00:29:03,931 --> 00:29:06,565 Well, uh, right now I don't wanna be involved in it, because, 420 00:29:06,567 --> 00:29:09,435 uh, I'm not in track. You know, I'm running track, but when it... 421 00:29:09,437 --> 00:29:11,637 when it comes to Olympic time, I'll be in football, 422 00:29:11,639 --> 00:29:14,573 so I have no comment on the matter. 423 00:29:14,575 --> 00:29:20,279 O.J. was saying, "I want to be judged not by the color of my skin, 424 00:29:20,281 --> 00:29:23,949 I want to be judged by the content of my character 425 00:29:23,951 --> 00:29:27,753 and. Most of all, the caliber of my competence. 426 00:29:27,755 --> 00:29:30,789 I think I'm the greatest football player that this country's ever seen. 427 00:29:30,791 --> 00:29:32,391 That's all I wanna be judged by. 428 00:29:33,761 --> 00:29:37,930 Don't tell me I've gotta do this because I'm black." 429 00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:46,772 I think football is a great sport. It teaches a person an awful lot. 430 00:29:46,774 --> 00:29:50,509 I would say there's less prejudice in sports than any other field anywhere, 431 00:29:50,511 --> 00:29:54,046 because, uh, it just... you're accepted as what you are, 432 00:29:54,048 --> 00:29:56,015 you know, an athlete and what you can do, 433 00:29:56,017 --> 00:29:57,282 and I think this is good for anyone. 434 00:30:08,195 --> 00:30:12,965 Simpson rushed for 1709 yards in 1968, 435 00:30:12,967 --> 00:30:15,167 more than any other back in history. 436 00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:19,304 His durability is almost as legendary as his speed and moves. 437 00:30:19,306 --> 00:30:22,474 Simpson scored 22 touchdowns. 438 00:30:22,476 --> 00:30:28,914 He carried a record 355 times and proved himself nearly indestructible. 439 00:30:35,856 --> 00:30:38,891 He was in a different world than the rest of us. 440 00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:49,068 There was an O.J. cult. It was building, building, building. 441 00:30:50,738 --> 00:30:54,873 When you bring a student athlete in there on a visit, they wanna see O.J. 442 00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:59,945 The community leaders, for speaking engagements, they wanted O.J. 443 00:30:59,947 --> 00:31:05,350 They wanted a role model. They wanted the young black kids to see. 444 00:31:05,352 --> 00:31:09,354 When I was 16 years old, I made an all-star team down in Los Angeles 445 00:31:09,356 --> 00:31:12,391 and they had a banquet, and while we were eating, 446 00:31:12,393 --> 00:31:13,892 the guy who was running the whole show, he says, 447 00:31:13,894 --> 00:31:17,729 "Okay, I wanna introduce the guest speaker tonight, O.J. Simpson." 448 00:31:17,731 --> 00:31:22,968 And I was like, "Wow!" I said, "O.J.'s here. This is unbelievable." 449 00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:25,137 O.J., when he walked up, he said, 450 00:31:25,139 --> 00:31:27,706 "First of all, before I start, is Ron Shipp here?" 451 00:31:27,708 --> 00:31:31,777 I put my hand up. I was like, "Is this... ? Is this for real?" 452 00:31:31,779 --> 00:31:36,615 And he goes, "Are you the brother of Michael Shipp?" And I say, "Yes." 453 00:31:36,617 --> 00:31:39,118 And he goes, "Hey, everybody, I just wanna tell you about, 454 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,953 uh, Michael Shipp, his brother, 455 00:31:40,955 --> 00:31:42,788 we played against each other, he's a great guy, 456 00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:46,125 so on and so, Ron, if you're anything like your brother, you know... " 457 00:31:46,127 --> 00:31:50,662 and, like, he made me an instant hero in that room. 458 00:31:50,664 --> 00:31:52,264 I mean, I fell in love with the guy right then. 459 00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:56,135 This is the most incredible human being. 460 00:32:00,107 --> 00:32:05,010 Here is the star of our show, Bob Hope. 461 00:32:10,117 --> 00:32:14,186 I don't have to tell you it's a pleasure to be here at OJU. 462 00:32:16,757 --> 00:32:19,591 But it's wonderful to be here at USC. 463 00:32:19,593 --> 00:32:21,960 You haven't had a riot, a demonstration or even a sit in. 464 00:32:21,962 --> 00:32:23,595 Are you sure this is a college? 465 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,335 I have some very sad news for all of you. 466 00:32:30,337 --> 00:32:35,841 Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis. 467 00:32:35,843 --> 00:32:37,976 I tried to talk to O.J. before the show, 468 00:32:37,978 --> 00:32:40,179 but I guess he has something on his mind. 469 00:32:40,181 --> 00:32:44,616 He kept referring to me as Mr. Heisman. 470 00:32:44,618 --> 00:32:49,087 RFK, RFK, RFK! 471 00:33:00,701 --> 00:33:03,235 Pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs! 472 00:33:06,507 --> 00:33:08,507 O.J., you've had quite a season. 473 00:33:08,509 --> 00:33:10,509 Well, I have gained a few yards. 474 00:33:10,511 --> 00:33:15,380 A few yards? You've gobbled up more real estate than Howard Hughes. 475 00:33:15,382 --> 00:33:18,550 When you think of 1968, what do you think of? 476 00:33:22,223 --> 00:33:27,926 1968, I think of winning all the games, getting O.J. famous, 477 00:33:27,928 --> 00:33:31,263 everybody on campus thinking it's the greatest thing on earth. 478 00:33:31,265 --> 00:33:35,000 That's all we thought about. There was nothing else going on. 479 00:33:42,276 --> 00:33:44,676 Several European newspapers today condemned 480 00:33:44,678 --> 00:33:47,412 the International Olympic Committee for sending home 481 00:33:47,414 --> 00:33:50,515 two militant negro athletes from the United States. 482 00:33:50,517 --> 00:33:53,085 The two, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, 483 00:33:53,087 --> 00:33:56,088 who ran first and third in the 200-meter dash, 484 00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:59,424 were banished after they raised clenched fists in black gloves 485 00:33:59,426 --> 00:34:01,593 during the playing of The Star Spangled Banner. 486 00:34:01,595 --> 00:34:05,230 Uh, with your bad self! 487 00:34:05,232 --> 00:34:07,466 Say it loud! 488 00:34:07,468 --> 00:34:09,067 I'm black, and I'm proud! 489 00:34:09,069 --> 00:34:11,820 I didn't believe in the national anthem, 490 00:34:11,821 --> 00:34:14,572 but I stood up anyway, because I didn't want no static, 491 00:34:14,575 --> 00:34:15,607 but those days are gone. 492 00:34:15,609 --> 00:34:17,609 Right on. 493 00:34:17,611 --> 00:34:21,113 Brother Tommie Smith, Brother Johnny Carlos and Brother Harry Edwards 494 00:34:21,115 --> 00:34:23,115 join the ranks of Brother Muhammed Ali, 495 00:34:23,117 --> 00:34:25,617 because we want black people who are concerned with us first 496 00:34:25,619 --> 00:34:27,286 and with sports second. 497 00:34:27,288 --> 00:34:28,687 Yeah! 498 00:34:30,291 --> 00:34:31,556 Say it loud! 499 00:34:31,558 --> 00:34:33,625 I'm black, and I'm proud! 500 00:34:35,896 --> 00:34:40,499 At about, uh, 10 o'clock this morning, we were notified that, 501 00:34:40,501 --> 00:34:44,002 uh, a Heisman Trophy winner comes back to USC 502 00:34:44,004 --> 00:34:47,306 and, as you all know, it's O.J. Simpson. 503 00:34:50,644 --> 00:34:54,846 Thank you. Well, I... I don't know quite what to say. 504 00:34:54,848 --> 00:34:57,849 I'm, uh, certainly proud, and I'm very happy, 505 00:34:57,851 --> 00:35:00,619 and I'm... I'm taking it as a team award and all the other guys did as much 506 00:35:00,621 --> 00:35:03,021 if not more than I do, for me to get the award, 507 00:35:03,023 --> 00:35:04,356 and I'll be glad to see all the guys, 508 00:35:04,358 --> 00:35:05,924 'cause I know they're just as happy as I am. 509 00:35:08,128 --> 00:35:11,997 As you can see, the Heisman Trophy award ceremony is over, 510 00:35:11,999 --> 00:35:16,201 and O.J. Simpson, number 32, the University of Southern California, 511 00:35:16,203 --> 00:35:18,036 has been beset by autograph hounds. 512 00:35:18,038 --> 00:35:21,673 Mrs. Simpson, I wonder if you'd be good enough to come over. 513 00:35:21,675 --> 00:35:25,610 Your tears only registered your pride, and it's a very great pride, 514 00:35:25,612 --> 00:35:28,780 and you should enjoy it, because this is a very great young man. 515 00:35:28,782 --> 00:35:34,386 O.J., the congratulations of all of us to you for a truly remarkable season 516 00:35:34,388 --> 00:35:37,389 and more importantly for your impeccable character. 517 00:35:37,391 --> 00:35:39,524 Thank you, Mr. Cosell. 518 00:35:39,526 --> 00:35:41,526 So that's the story. 519 00:35:41,528 --> 00:35:45,664 The Heisman award proceedings, number 32, O.J. Simpson. 520 00:35:45,666 --> 00:35:50,969 Perhaps the greatest running back in the history of college football. 521 00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:59,411 When I met him, I was quite taken with him. 522 00:35:59,413 --> 00:36:04,182 This is kind of a warm June night in 1969. 523 00:36:04,184 --> 00:36:08,987 Howard Cosell took O.J. and me to Bachelors III, 524 00:36:08,989 --> 00:36:13,392 which was Joe Namath's bar. 525 00:36:13,394 --> 00:36:19,064 He was telling a story about being at a teammate's wedding with his wife 526 00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:24,035 sitting at a table of mostly, as he said, negroes, 527 00:36:24,037 --> 00:36:28,573 and you overheard a white woman at the next table saying, 528 00:36:28,575 --> 00:36:33,345 "Look, there's O.J. sitting with all those niggers." 529 00:36:33,347 --> 00:36:38,717 And I remember in my naiveté, saying to O.J., 530 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,254 "Gee, wow, that must have been terrible for you." 531 00:36:42,256 --> 00:36:47,058 "No, that was great. Don't you understand? 532 00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:54,699 She knew that I wasn't black. She saw me as O.J." 533 00:36:54,701 --> 00:36:59,104 And... And really, at that moment, um, I thought he was fucked. 534 00:37:01,775 --> 00:37:04,776 Our first guest today is one of the greatest running backs I've ever seen. 535 00:37:04,778 --> 00:37:07,879 I met him when he was still in college at Southern California, 536 00:37:07,881 --> 00:37:10,549 and he's not only a hell of a football player, he's a hell of a guy. 537 00:37:10,551 --> 00:37:13,218 The winner of the Heisman trophy, the finest college football player 538 00:37:13,220 --> 00:37:14,753 in the country last year, 539 00:37:14,755 --> 00:37:17,255 the Buffalo Bills' great rookie, O.J. Simpson. 540 00:37:18,125 --> 00:37:20,659 Thank you, Joe. 541 00:37:20,661 --> 00:37:23,462 Now, with all that money you got for signing with Buffalo, 542 00:37:23,464 --> 00:37:26,164 I wanna know if you're gonna help me out in some business interests. 543 00:37:27,234 --> 00:37:28,433 How's business? 544 00:37:28,435 --> 00:37:30,001 Oh, it's pretty good. 545 00:37:30,003 --> 00:37:33,004 I, uh, I'm under contract with... I don't know if I can say it. I'm here. 546 00:37:33,006 --> 00:37:34,406 Yeah. 547 00:37:34,408 --> 00:37:36,174 Well, I'm under contract with Chevrolet and RC Cola, 548 00:37:36,176 --> 00:37:38,410 and I'm working with, um... What network is it? 549 00:37:40,113 --> 00:37:41,296 ABC. 550 00:37:41,297 --> 00:37:42,480 And, uh, they're keeping me pretty busy. 551 00:37:47,588 --> 00:37:49,321 The pitch to Chevrolet was 552 00:37:49,323 --> 00:37:52,757 that this would be the first national black spokesman. 553 00:37:52,759 --> 00:37:55,460 You've got a black market. 554 00:37:55,462 --> 00:37:59,297 He's not gonna be a negative in any way to the white market, 555 00:37:59,299 --> 00:38:03,335 but you're gonna get a lot of brownie points just for stepping up. 556 00:38:03,337 --> 00:38:07,873 O.J.? It's a real satisfaction to me to be able to introduce 557 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:09,374 a great ballplayer like you 558 00:38:09,376 --> 00:38:11,776 to an equally great group of Chevrolet salesmen. 559 00:38:11,778 --> 00:38:13,678 My pleasure, Chris. 560 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,382 At the time, athlete endorsements were virtually non-existent. 561 00:38:17,384 --> 00:38:22,053 And for them to sign him, a black man, a football player, 562 00:38:22,055 --> 00:38:23,688 was ground-breaking. 563 00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:25,557 They tell me that the Chevrolet selling team 564 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,326 is the greatest in the country. I believe that. 565 00:38:28,328 --> 00:38:29,794 That's what made perfect sense. 566 00:38:29,796 --> 00:38:34,366 O.J. Simpson was the counterrevolutionary athlete. 567 00:38:34,368 --> 00:38:40,805 White America is looking for somebody who can erase the threat 568 00:38:40,807 --> 00:38:45,310 of these seemingly angry principled black athletes 569 00:38:45,312 --> 00:38:49,414 who are going to create a revolution in sports. 570 00:38:49,416 --> 00:38:53,351 O.J. made people feel good. 571 00:38:53,353 --> 00:38:56,655 It was clear once you spent some time with O.J. 572 00:38:56,657 --> 00:39:00,191 that the Carlos, you know, fist pump, and those kinds of, uh, 573 00:39:00,193 --> 00:39:04,663 situations were not gonna be, you know, present in... in dealing with him. 574 00:39:04,665 --> 00:39:09,501 He just gave you that confidence that he understood what this was about. 575 00:39:09,503 --> 00:39:14,339 I'd like to welcome a new member of the ABC sports commentary staff. 576 00:39:14,341 --> 00:39:16,608 It is O.J. Simpson. 577 00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:19,911 Uh, well, Jim, I'll be doing basically sports work with the, uh, 578 00:39:19,913 --> 00:39:23,782 ABC radio networks and the TV nextworks... networks. I hope... 579 00:39:23,784 --> 00:39:27,686 O.J. was very, very rough and needed a lot of coaching in the early years. 580 00:39:27,688 --> 00:39:30,455 It's pretty interesting, and I'm really looking forward to it. 581 00:39:30,457 --> 00:39:34,259 We obviously wanted him to be able to speak proper English 582 00:39:34,261 --> 00:39:38,129 and eliminate slang, and he didn't ever take offense at that. 583 00:39:38,131 --> 00:39:41,166 It was, "Thank you." You know? "Okay, I got it." 584 00:39:42,736 --> 00:39:49,074 He realized that his Horatio Alger story was based on 585 00:39:49,076 --> 00:39:53,011 him being a pleasing person to white people. 586 00:39:54,781 --> 00:39:59,217 I really had the sense that he was enormously self-conscious 587 00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:03,321 of who he was and who he needed to be to get over. 588 00:40:03,323 --> 00:40:09,260 That there was this character, O.J., which he was creating. 589 00:40:09,262 --> 00:40:11,262 What does O.J. stand for? 590 00:40:11,264 --> 00:40:12,497 Oh, Joe. 591 00:40:13,433 --> 00:40:14,332 Come on, tell it. Tell me. 592 00:40:14,334 --> 00:40:16,101 Orenthal James Simpson. 593 00:40:16,103 --> 00:40:16,968 Good. 594 00:40:18,338 --> 00:40:19,337 Now, that's a nice name, Orenthal. 595 00:40:19,339 --> 00:40:20,472 Yeah. 596 00:40:21,274 --> 00:40:22,474 It's a good name. 597 00:40:22,476 --> 00:40:24,643 You... You never got in any arguments over that, did ya? 598 00:40:24,645 --> 00:40:27,445 No, no, I had, uh... I had some pretty good friends, pretty big friends, 599 00:40:27,447 --> 00:40:29,280 and they were the only guys who could tease me about it. 600 00:40:29,282 --> 00:40:32,417 Well, in your movie career, uh, motion picture industry, 601 00:40:32,419 --> 00:40:33,585 are they gonna call you Orenthal James or... ? 602 00:40:33,587 --> 00:40:34,352 They're gonna call me O.J. 603 00:40:35,756 --> 00:40:41,826 I was taken by O.J. as a character, as somebody to write about, 604 00:40:41,828 --> 00:40:48,433 that somebody was so self-aware and so obviously ambitious. 605 00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:54,105 The question in my mind then and still now is 606 00:40:54,107 --> 00:40:56,374 where did this imagination come from? 607 00:40:56,376 --> 00:41:02,013 Where did he begin to write this novel about O.J. Simpson? 608 00:41:17,731 --> 00:41:21,666 Everybody looks at San Francisco now, "Oh, it's this cosmopolitan... 609 00:41:21,668 --> 00:41:24,069 Oh, you know, everybody loves everybody gooshy goosh." 610 00:41:24,071 --> 00:41:26,805 It's not. It wasn't like that, man. 611 00:41:31,144 --> 00:41:34,879 Potrero Hill was predominantly African-American. 612 00:41:34,881 --> 00:41:38,983 Public housing, the old barracks from the navy. 613 00:41:38,985 --> 00:41:43,388 When the navy left, the city turned 'em into low-income housing. 614 00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:44,956 It was a rough area. 615 00:41:49,229 --> 00:41:51,496 The Simpsons lived at the top of a big hill. 616 00:41:51,498 --> 00:41:55,233 Carmelita, his younger sister Shirley had a room, 617 00:41:55,235 --> 00:41:57,402 and Melvin and O.J. had a room. 618 00:41:59,005 --> 00:42:00,939 We crawled around on the floor together 619 00:42:00,941 --> 00:42:04,442 before we ever learned how to walk. 620 00:42:04,444 --> 00:42:08,379 Four months apart. I'm born in March, he's born in July. 621 00:42:08,381 --> 00:42:10,882 We'd spend a lot of time at each other's house. 622 00:42:10,884 --> 00:42:14,452 We're a close-knit family. 623 00:42:14,454 --> 00:42:19,958 The mother worked at night, so they were responsible for themselves, 624 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,060 and sometimes he would open the refrigerator 625 00:42:22,062 --> 00:42:24,362 and there just wouldn't be nothing in there, 626 00:42:24,364 --> 00:42:28,433 and I'd say, "Well, come on, let's go to my house and eat dinner." 627 00:42:28,435 --> 00:42:32,737 O.J.'s mother, my aunt Eunice, worked the graveyard shift 628 00:42:32,739 --> 00:42:35,373 at San Francisco General Hospital. 629 00:42:35,375 --> 00:42:37,976 She was a provider, she was steady, 630 00:42:37,978 --> 00:42:42,714 but if you're in a single-parent situation, you know, 631 00:42:42,716 --> 00:42:44,449 there's never enough money. 632 00:42:47,053 --> 00:42:49,554 I mean, we were poor kids, you know. 633 00:42:49,556 --> 00:42:53,958 We would steal cars, we would break into somebody's house, 634 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,595 take all the women's purses and stuff like... You know. 635 00:42:57,597 --> 00:42:59,364 We would be called criminals. 636 00:43:01,301 --> 00:43:04,969 From the time we were 10 years old, you know, we were hustlers. 637 00:43:04,971 --> 00:43:06,571 You know, you'd go to the football game, scalp tickets, 638 00:43:06,573 --> 00:43:07,639 and everybody had their own technique. 639 00:43:07,641 --> 00:43:09,107 Yeah. 640 00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:11,643 I would... I can recall crying in front of a cat, you know. 641 00:43:11,645 --> 00:43:15,480 "Oh, I need it." "Please let me have that ticket." You know? 642 00:43:17,017 --> 00:43:20,485 "I wanna see... I wanna see Hugh McElhenny play," you know? 643 00:43:20,487 --> 00:43:22,320 Cats break down, give you the ticket, 644 00:43:22,322 --> 00:43:24,155 I would go on the other side of the stadium and sell it. 645 00:43:24,157 --> 00:43:25,957 Why didn't I think of that? 646 00:43:29,196 --> 00:43:31,496 Did you ever see him in any fist fights? 647 00:43:31,498 --> 00:43:33,198 O.J. didn't fight. 648 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,199 No? 649 00:43:34,201 --> 00:43:35,633 No. O.J. was boisterous. 650 00:43:35,635 --> 00:43:38,770 When you say he was boisterous, did you ever see him, 651 00:43:38,772 --> 00:43:42,307 uh, talk himself out of a... a fight situation? 652 00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:46,010 I've seen O.J. fight... Talk himself out of a lot of situations. 653 00:43:53,987 --> 00:43:56,287 There was this one incident at school. 654 00:43:58,725 --> 00:44:04,362 Myself, Al Collins and O.J., we were all in the bathroom shooting crap. 655 00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:11,870 We were cursing and talking loud, and I was shaking the dice, 656 00:44:11,872 --> 00:44:19,244 and, all of a sudden, these big wingtip shoes slide in the circle, 657 00:44:19,246 --> 00:44:23,047 and I looked up, and it was Coach McBride. 658 00:44:25,085 --> 00:44:26,684 We were all on the football team. 659 00:44:26,686 --> 00:44:32,156 We're like, "Okay, Mr. McBride, we're busted. Let us go to class." 660 00:44:32,158 --> 00:44:37,128 He's like, "No." He's gonna take us to the principal's office. 661 00:44:38,698 --> 00:44:43,434 O.J. stays in back of the pack. I could hear him, 662 00:44:43,436 --> 00:44:48,106 "Oh, come on, Mr. McBride. You know we're gonna be suspended." 663 00:44:48,108 --> 00:44:51,876 So we get in the principal's office. 664 00:44:51,878 --> 00:44:56,948 Coach McBride says, "I caught these guys in the bathroom shooting dice." 665 00:44:56,950 --> 00:45:00,551 And then he turned and walked out. 666 00:45:00,553 --> 00:45:05,056 So O.J. turns and walks away. 667 00:45:05,058 --> 00:45:08,293 Dean Smith says, "Simpson, where you going?" 668 00:45:08,295 --> 00:45:13,398 He says, "Oh, I was just helping Mr. McBride bring these guys down." 669 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,702 And Dean Smith let him go. 670 00:45:28,048 --> 00:45:34,118 Self-preservation. It was just that kind of smooth talk 671 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,289 that O.J. would do in all kinds of situations. 672 00:45:39,592 --> 00:45:40,591 Do you think he was shown a little preference 673 00:45:40,593 --> 00:45:41,326 because of his football ability? 674 00:45:41,328 --> 00:45:43,127 Oh, yes. 675 00:45:43,129 --> 00:45:46,831 You said you had seen Simpson talk himself out of lots of situations. 676 00:45:46,833 --> 00:45:49,334 Oh, yeah, talked himself... with me. 677 00:45:51,404 --> 00:45:55,139 When we were younger, Al Collins used to stutter, 678 00:45:55,141 --> 00:45:58,276 and he never was good with talking to girls. 679 00:45:58,278 --> 00:46:02,580 Marguerite was the nice girl from the other side of town, 680 00:46:02,582 --> 00:46:07,518 but Marguerite liked Alan, and they wound up going steady. 681 00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:14,759 There was some party, and O.J. came and got me. 682 00:46:14,761 --> 00:46:17,428 I thought we was going straight to the party, 683 00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:20,465 but we pull up in front of Marguerite's house, 684 00:46:20,467 --> 00:46:26,671 and he tells me to get in the back, and I'm, like, in shock, like, you know, 685 00:46:26,673 --> 00:46:29,407 I seen her with... you know, walking with... with Alan. 686 00:46:31,144 --> 00:46:35,380 We go down to where the party is, and Alan spots us, 687 00:46:35,382 --> 00:46:39,984 and he starts shaking his head and, "No! No way!" 688 00:46:39,986 --> 00:46:44,022 He is furious, and Al is a big guy. 689 00:46:44,024 --> 00:46:47,158 And he grabs the car, and he's rocking it, 690 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:53,164 rocking the car back and forth, just rocking it. 691 00:46:53,166 --> 00:46:59,804 And Marguerite gets out of the car, she says, "Alan, stop it." 692 00:46:59,806 --> 00:47:05,209 And he stops. And we were like, "No, he didn't." 693 00:47:05,211 --> 00:47:10,648 How could O.J. keep getting out of these situations? 694 00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:13,718 He stole his best friend's girl. 695 00:47:16,389 --> 00:47:24,062 Later on, you see the three of them together. Alan went to USC also. 696 00:47:24,064 --> 00:47:26,664 They were as thick as thieves. 697 00:47:26,666 --> 00:47:29,434 Everywhere he went, A.C. was with him. 698 00:47:29,436 --> 00:47:32,937 Football really was what brought us together. 699 00:47:32,939 --> 00:47:34,705 We were really braggadocious, you know. 700 00:47:34,707 --> 00:47:39,210 We were like, "I'm gonna be a pro football player," 701 00:47:39,212 --> 00:47:42,046 and O.J. said something that really struck me. 702 00:47:42,048 --> 00:47:46,551 He says, "Man, let me tell you guys something. One of these days, 703 00:47:46,553 --> 00:47:52,123 your children are gonna be fighting over who wants to be O.J. Simpson." 704 00:47:52,125 --> 00:47:58,629 He knew that he was going to be somebody. 705 00:47:58,631 --> 00:48:02,600 He was self-assured. I'll just... I'll just put it that way. 706 00:48:02,602 --> 00:48:05,770 O.J. has always wanted to be a hero. 707 00:48:09,242 --> 00:48:13,978 If it was looking at Burt Lancaster on The Man on the Flying Trapeze 708 00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:20,551 or Burt Lancaster playing Jim Thorpe, he always wanted to be a hero. 709 00:48:20,553 --> 00:48:22,186 An American hero. 710 00:48:38,004 --> 00:48:42,607 The Buffalo Bills select as their first choice in the first round, 711 00:48:42,609 --> 00:48:45,743 halfback O.J. Simpson, the University of Southern California. 712 00:48:50,483 --> 00:48:55,453 It was the last place you'd wanna be. 713 00:48:55,455 --> 00:48:57,722 It was just like being sent to Siberia. 714 00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:11,669 There was some players that said, "Oh, Mr. Hotshot." 715 00:49:11,671 --> 00:49:16,007 He understood that people around him was envious 716 00:49:16,009 --> 00:49:18,075 what he was getting and what he was doing. 717 00:49:22,715 --> 00:49:25,850 Stand by and go whenever you're ready, O.J. 718 00:49:27,687 --> 00:49:32,723 Well, there was never much doubt about missing him. 719 00:49:32,725 --> 00:49:37,728 Uh, that was O.J. Simpson. O.J. is now a professional football player. 720 00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:41,399 The Buffalo Bills is his home, and the question is 721 00:49:41,401 --> 00:49:44,535 how many professional defensive tacklers is he going to get by? 722 00:49:46,839 --> 00:49:48,539 So what kind of an attitude 723 00:49:48,541 --> 00:49:51,242 must O.J. Simpson have to play professional football? 724 00:49:51,244 --> 00:49:53,744 Well, he's gonna have to be strong-willed, 725 00:49:53,746 --> 00:49:55,713 uh, in many different ways, 726 00:49:55,715 --> 00:49:58,849 because he will have a lot of people picking at him, he'll have a lot of... 727 00:49:58,851 --> 00:50:01,252 We had a couch, John Rauch, 728 00:50:01,254 --> 00:50:03,821 which I've considered the worst coach that we ever had. 729 00:50:03,823 --> 00:50:05,590 Blocking, he will have to block, 730 00:50:05,592 --> 00:50:08,059 because other people are ball carriers also. 731 00:50:08,061 --> 00:50:11,229 He tried to make O.J. a receiver, more or less. 732 00:50:11,231 --> 00:50:14,732 What we call tosses, quick, uh, opening plays. 733 00:50:14,734 --> 00:50:17,702 And O.J. could not catch a ball. 734 00:50:17,704 --> 00:50:21,872 He couldn't catch a ball if they paid him to catch a ball, which they was. 735 00:50:21,874 --> 00:50:24,175 They was paying him. They was paying him a lot. 736 00:50:38,091 --> 00:50:42,793 O.J. hated Buffalo. He hated the weather. 737 00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:57,575 It's a blue collar town. Hard working, blue collar, factory-working people. 738 00:50:57,577 --> 00:50:59,310 O.J. was nothing of that. 739 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,947 And plus, we was on a losing team. 740 00:51:07,487 --> 00:51:12,089 The first couple years of his pro career were very frustrating for him, 741 00:51:12,091 --> 00:51:15,760 and they were disappointing relative to the huge expectations 742 00:51:15,762 --> 00:51:17,695 that everybody set for him. 743 00:51:23,102 --> 00:51:24,802 I mean, they were saying he was a bust. 744 00:51:30,777 --> 00:51:34,679 If it had have stayed the same as it was when he first got drafted in here, 745 00:51:34,681 --> 00:51:39,250 he would have been a nobody, I honestly believe that. 746 00:51:39,252 --> 00:51:40,518 He'd have been a nobody. 747 00:51:49,028 --> 00:51:52,129 Best thing happened to O.J. was John Rauch got fired, 748 00:51:52,131 --> 00:51:53,831 and Lou Saban took over. 749 00:51:53,833 --> 00:51:57,868 Lou Saban was a person who believed in the run game first, 750 00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:59,103 the pass game second. 751 00:51:59,105 --> 00:52:01,205 I tell you, if Lou Saban hadn't have came in, 752 00:52:01,207 --> 00:52:04,575 we wouldn't be doing this story right now. 753 00:52:11,551 --> 00:52:15,486 '73 was the year we opened the new stadium. 754 00:52:15,488 --> 00:52:17,355 So we had a 80,000 seat stadium, 755 00:52:18,725 --> 00:52:23,194 and they brought in all these young offensive linemen. 756 00:52:23,196 --> 00:52:25,730 Coach Saban built the team to run. 757 00:52:27,166 --> 00:52:30,868 When I got there during exhibition season, 758 00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:38,709 I saw him doing things that... I said, "Wow. Homeboy's pretty bad." 759 00:52:38,711 --> 00:52:42,079 Lou Saban started selling them on the idea that we can get 2,000. 760 00:52:42,081 --> 00:52:44,815 You can get 2,000. We can do this. 761 00:52:44,817 --> 00:52:48,619 You can get it done. What's more, you gotta get it done. 762 00:52:55,995 --> 00:53:01,932 And in that first game, 763 00:53:01,934 --> 00:53:09,473 we turned out the lights and started it and never looked back. 764 00:53:16,582 --> 00:53:21,585 First game I ever played in the NFL, O.J. got 250 yards. 765 00:53:21,587 --> 00:53:24,688 O.J. Simpson could run sideways faster 766 00:53:24,690 --> 00:53:27,458 than most men could run forward. 767 00:53:28,294 --> 00:53:30,227 And he hit the line, and he'd go 768 00:53:30,229 --> 00:53:33,998 that quick, then up the sideline. 769 00:53:36,369 --> 00:53:39,103 He was amazing. 770 00:53:41,941 --> 00:53:44,375 I've been around a lot of good ballplayers, 771 00:53:44,377 --> 00:53:48,746 but I've never been around anyone that was as breathtaking 772 00:53:48,748 --> 00:53:51,782 or as captivating as he was. 773 00:53:51,784 --> 00:53:54,084 He would, like, glide. 774 00:53:54,086 --> 00:53:56,821 He never really picked his feet more than a couple inches off the ground, 775 00:53:56,823 --> 00:53:59,790 so he was, like, slithering through a hole. 776 00:53:59,792 --> 00:54:01,559 When he'd hit a hole sometimes he'd turn sideways 777 00:54:01,561 --> 00:54:03,661 and kind of leap through it sideways. 778 00:54:03,663 --> 00:54:05,496 Then if he broke open into the open, 779 00:54:05,498 --> 00:54:07,665 then you'd start seeing the knees go up in the stride. 780 00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:09,567 That's when he was buttery. 781 00:54:11,170 --> 00:54:14,705 He's the one who sucked me into being a rabid Bills fan. 782 00:54:16,409 --> 00:54:19,910 Let's hear it for the Bills. Let's hear it. Come on! Let's go! 783 00:54:19,912 --> 00:54:21,178 Let's go, Bills! 784 00:54:25,585 --> 00:54:27,751 And once we got to the seventh game, 785 00:54:27,753 --> 00:54:34,058 it was a Monday night game, O.J. went over a thousand. 786 00:54:37,196 --> 00:54:39,430 Everybody said, "Hey, we have a shot at this." 787 00:54:41,968 --> 00:54:44,835 Two thousand yards in 14 games. 788 00:54:44,837 --> 00:54:48,873 That was like somebody breaking Babe Ruth's home run record. 789 00:54:48,875 --> 00:54:51,175 That was unheard of. 790 00:54:51,177 --> 00:54:53,210 What was going through my mind at the time is 791 00:54:53,212 --> 00:54:55,212 he might have a chance of breaking Jim Brown's record. 792 00:54:55,214 --> 00:54:57,281 I never thought that he would go 2,000 yards. 793 00:54:57,283 --> 00:54:59,617 Why are you so much better than everybody else? 794 00:54:59,619 --> 00:55:03,187 I think... I think the offensive line is so much better than everybody. 795 00:55:03,189 --> 00:55:06,223 Hey, you guys! 796 00:55:08,394 --> 00:55:10,728 We're gonna turn it on. 797 00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:13,297 All of a sudden, we got a nickname: "The Electric Company." 798 00:55:13,299 --> 00:55:16,033 And, wow, this is pretty cool. 799 00:55:16,035 --> 00:55:19,470 The nickname came from the PR director of The Bills. 800 00:55:19,472 --> 00:55:22,740 There used to be a cartoon called The Electric Company, 801 00:55:22,742 --> 00:55:25,809 and his son watched it all the time. 802 00:55:25,811 --> 00:55:28,812 He said, "Hey, Dad, why don't you call 'em 'The Electric Company'?" 803 00:55:28,814 --> 00:55:31,532 They turn on the juice. 804 00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,251 ♪ The Bills they got that Electric Company ♪ 805 00:55:34,253 --> 00:55:38,422 ♪ Montler, Foley, Big Joe D ♪ 806 00:55:38,424 --> 00:55:42,159 ♪ They turn on The Juice ♪ ♪ They turn on The Juice ♪ 807 00:55:42,161 --> 00:55:46,864 ♪ They cut him loose ♪ ♪ They turn on The Juice ♪ 808 00:55:46,866 --> 00:55:50,734 ♪ You know I love to see my Electric Company ♪ 809 00:55:50,736 --> 00:55:54,738 ♪ Turn on The Juice ♪ ♪ Turn him loose ♪ 810 00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:56,373 O.J. just couldn't be stopped that year. 811 00:55:56,375 --> 00:55:59,710 ♪ Throw that switch, boys ♪ ♪ Turn the power on ♪ 812 00:55:59,712 --> 00:56:01,445 There were times when the quarterback 813 00:56:01,447 --> 00:56:03,747 would only throw six passes in the entire game. 814 00:56:03,749 --> 00:56:07,284 ♪ There goes The Juice ♪ ♪ There goes The Juice ♪ 815 00:56:07,286 --> 00:56:09,620 The entire offense was O.J. Simpson. 816 00:56:09,622 --> 00:56:11,522 ♪ There goes The Juice ♪ 817 00:56:11,524 --> 00:56:13,290 ♪ 30, 40... ♪ 818 00:56:13,292 --> 00:56:16,460 Nobody actually thought he was gonna go for 2,000. 819 00:56:16,462 --> 00:56:20,965 With only, uh, two games to go, he was still 400 and a few yards short. 820 00:56:20,967 --> 00:56:22,399 Go, Juice! 821 00:56:22,401 --> 00:56:23,200 Come on, Juice! 822 00:56:25,438 --> 00:56:31,308 During the games, I never took a minute off from the offense. 823 00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:34,778 ♪ Do you want The Juice to put a move on you? ♪ 824 00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:36,747 I never made it to the bench. 825 00:56:36,749 --> 00:56:38,282 ♪ Turn on The Juice ♪ 826 00:56:38,284 --> 00:56:39,450 ♪ Yeah ♪ 827 00:56:39,452 --> 00:56:40,985 I didn't wanna miss any of it. 828 00:56:40,987 --> 00:56:44,421 ♪ Turn on The Juice ♪ 829 00:56:44,423 --> 00:56:47,791 It was the most exciting thing that I'd ever seen. 830 00:56:47,793 --> 00:56:50,427 ♪ Turn on The Juice ♪ 831 00:56:50,429 --> 00:56:51,996 ♪ Yeah ♪ 832 00:57:05,811 --> 00:57:09,513 When we got to New York, that last game, 833 00:57:09,515 --> 00:57:11,315 he was going for Jim Brown's record. 834 00:57:13,419 --> 00:57:17,187 With 60 yards needed, and everyone knew 835 00:57:17,189 --> 00:57:22,159 that The Jets didn't want him to get the record. 836 00:57:22,161 --> 00:57:27,998 I was actually there. The Jets had no chance of making the playoffs. 837 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,134 The only interesting thing about that day 838 00:57:30,136 --> 00:57:32,569 was whether O.J. was going to break 2,000. 839 00:57:34,874 --> 00:57:38,509 It was a really snowy, cold day. 840 00:57:38,511 --> 00:57:41,178 Hm, a little bit similar to today. 841 00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:42,479 So a lot of people were worried 842 00:57:42,481 --> 00:57:44,114 that he wouldn't have a lot of rushing yards 843 00:57:44,116 --> 00:57:47,651 because of that, a lot of slipping in the snow. 844 00:57:47,653 --> 00:57:50,120 He was nervous that day. 845 00:57:50,122 --> 00:57:53,057 We had a little chat, and I told him, I said, 846 00:57:53,059 --> 00:57:57,294 "Hey, homes, this is just another week for you." 847 00:57:57,296 --> 00:58:01,098 I think he knew that "This is gonna make or break me." 848 00:58:02,968 --> 00:58:07,171 He knew that in order for him to write his name in the book, 849 00:58:07,173 --> 00:58:10,140 he had to be exceptional. 850 00:58:10,142 --> 00:58:13,010 He was living a very comfortable life, 851 00:58:13,012 --> 00:58:15,946 but he wanted to live an exceptional life, 852 00:58:17,583 --> 00:58:21,218 and this was his exceptional feat. 853 00:58:30,596 --> 00:58:33,497 I remember just about every play in that game. 854 00:58:33,499 --> 00:58:34,832 Every time Simpson got the ball, 855 00:58:34,834 --> 00:58:38,035 everyone was rushing to their, uh, notepad to write it down. 856 00:58:38,037 --> 00:58:41,705 And the announcers kept counting it down. 857 00:58:41,707 --> 00:58:45,008 Well, gentlemen, we are coming upon it, and, uh, The Juice should 858 00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:49,613 break the National Football League rushing record in this next series. 859 00:58:49,615 --> 00:58:53,417 Simpson running left, Simpson breaking loose, and there it is! 860 00:58:53,419 --> 00:58:58,355 All right! All right! 861 00:58:58,357 --> 00:59:00,224 He needed four yards, he got five and this crowd, 862 00:59:00,226 --> 00:59:04,962 his whole team is gathering around and congratulating him, 863 00:59:04,964 --> 00:59:09,099 hitting him on the head, there isn't a person sitting down. 864 00:59:09,101 --> 00:59:12,469 He got the 1,863 pretty early in the game. 865 00:59:12,471 --> 00:59:14,872 And they said, "Okay, now we're going for the 2,000." 866 00:59:14,874 --> 00:59:18,308 And now it's for the 2,000, Floyd. 867 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,714 More than 100 yards, O.J., O.J. cuts inside, 868 00:59:23,716 --> 00:59:26,583 O.J. gets wide, this is on! 869 00:59:26,585 --> 00:59:31,221 Now a race he's at midfield and he's inside Jets territory at the 43 yard line. 870 00:59:31,223 --> 00:59:35,726 100 yards. How many games did he get to 100 yards? Eleven? 871 00:59:35,728 --> 00:59:37,461 Once he got over 100 yards, 872 00:59:37,463 --> 00:59:39,329 a different excitement started to hit the game. 873 00:59:39,331 --> 00:59:42,666 Well, he might do this. He might actually hit 2,000. 874 00:59:42,668 --> 00:59:47,104 You had Jets fans who were basically rooting for O.J. 875 00:59:47,106 --> 00:59:50,007 because they wanted to be part of history, and I think, you know, 876 00:59:50,009 --> 00:59:52,676 I was basically a little kid, but I think I felt that way. 877 00:59:52,678 --> 00:59:53,577 Who cared if The Jets won? 878 00:59:53,579 --> 00:59:55,078 Everybody loved O.J. 879 01:00:00,286 --> 01:00:05,155 O.J., he's got five yards, and O.J. running left, 880 01:00:05,157 --> 01:00:08,525 O.J. five more. Maybe more. I don't know. 881 01:00:08,527 --> 01:00:14,198 They did it. They did it. Yeah! 882 01:00:15,968 --> 01:00:20,070 And when he did it, he was on my shoulder. 883 01:00:22,141 --> 01:00:28,846 I knew how important it was. I contributed to that also. 884 01:00:28,848 --> 01:00:32,182 The defense has to give the ball to the offense. 885 01:00:32,184 --> 01:00:35,385 I felt it. It was mine, too. 886 01:00:38,691 --> 01:00:42,226 Right after the game, there's "Gotta get O.J. to the interview," 887 01:00:42,228 --> 01:00:45,229 and he said, "I'm not coming in unless you bring in all the guys." 888 01:00:45,231 --> 01:00:48,699 And we were in a tiny room. We could barely fit in that room. 889 01:00:48,701 --> 01:00:52,202 He brought in all the offense. He refused to go in that room without us. 890 01:00:52,204 --> 01:00:55,138 O.J., you brought 'em all with you. 891 01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:57,074 Yeah. Hey, they did the job, all of you. 892 01:00:57,076 --> 01:00:58,175 I want you to meet the boys. Here. 893 01:00:58,177 --> 01:01:01,078 Mike Montler, our... our... our center. 894 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,780 Jim Braxton, Bob Penchion, Joe Ferguson. 895 01:01:03,782 --> 01:01:05,682 Didn't throw many passes this year, but ball-handling is the thing. 896 01:01:07,152 --> 01:01:10,554 Donnie Green, Bobby Chandler, Paul Seymour, 897 01:01:10,556 --> 01:01:12,256 Dave Foley, a former Jet. 898 01:01:13,425 --> 01:01:14,858 All right, all right! 899 01:01:14,860 --> 01:01:17,427 This is a guy, through the long winter 900 01:01:17,429 --> 01:01:19,062 wasn't supposed to play any football this year. 901 01:01:19,064 --> 01:01:20,998 He had a heart problem, but you came back, and you see what we did. 902 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,334 JD Hill, "Crackback" Hill, my main man Reg McKenzie. 903 01:01:24,336 --> 01:01:27,004 He was the most generous guy you'd ever meet. 904 01:01:29,008 --> 01:01:31,675 When we broke the record, he bought us a gold wristband. 905 01:01:31,677 --> 01:01:35,679 And on the back of it is, "We did it. The Juice. 3088." 906 01:01:35,681 --> 01:01:38,749 He didn't say "2003", he said "3088", 907 01:01:38,751 --> 01:01:40,918 because that's how much the team rushed. 908 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,787 I hope to stay in the, uh, league long enough for, uh, you know, 909 01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:46,056 'til all these guys get old so no young back 910 01:01:46,058 --> 01:01:48,158 can get behind 'em and break my record. 911 01:01:49,929 --> 01:01:53,330 '73 was like a rebirth of his celebrity. 912 01:01:58,137 --> 01:02:00,103 I was 22 years old, I thought, you know, 913 01:02:00,105 --> 01:02:03,206 "This is like being on a team with Babe Ruth." 914 01:02:03,208 --> 01:02:07,210 Mentally, I think he was ahead of, uh, a lot of people. 915 01:02:07,212 --> 01:02:12,382 From watching how he handled himself, how he operated, 916 01:02:12,384 --> 01:02:17,688 my whole demeanor changed. I began to wanna be like O.J. 917 01:02:20,492 --> 01:02:26,463 He was Baryshnikov. When somebody is that great at something, 918 01:02:28,767 --> 01:02:32,736 when we see those people, they are special. 919 01:02:35,107 --> 01:02:39,076 They just can do stuff that other people can't do. 920 01:02:44,683 --> 01:02:49,920 You expect it of yourself. You hear the crowd, but you don't hear it. 921 01:02:49,922 --> 01:02:54,257 I mean, you know they're cheering, but that's the way it should be. 922 01:02:54,259 --> 01:02:58,328 When I'm in the open, I'm running, this is how it is supposed to be. 923 01:02:58,330 --> 01:03:02,366 This is correct. This is the natural state of things. 924 01:03:02,368 --> 01:03:06,336 I know whenever I've done it, my feelings have always been, 925 01:03:06,338 --> 01:03:08,872 uh, that's nothing. Uh, this is nothing yet. 926 01:03:08,874 --> 01:03:10,340 Yeah, I'm gonna do it again. 927 01:03:12,878 --> 01:03:17,280 Orenthal James Simpson had that shine. 928 01:03:17,282 --> 01:03:20,784 The sun hit him, and there was this thing about him. 929 01:03:20,786 --> 01:03:22,719 Because he really was that great. 930 01:03:22,721 --> 01:03:25,455 He really was that great. 931 01:03:28,027 --> 01:03:31,728 Football has been my vehicle to come out of the ghetto, 932 01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:35,966 uh, to give everything I've got. I think I have a lot more to offer. 933 01:03:35,968 --> 01:03:38,335 There's a lot of things I need as a person. 934 01:03:38,337 --> 01:03:41,905 You know, I need, uh... I need that recognition. 935 01:03:41,907 --> 01:03:44,841 I think that, uh, what... what is driving O.J. Simpson 936 01:03:44,843 --> 01:03:48,378 is that need to be number one, that need to be liked. 937 01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:51,882 That need to be said, "Hey, that's O.J. Simpson." 938 01:03:51,884 --> 01:03:56,153 When I walk down the street, I want people to know me. 939 01:04:09,768 --> 01:04:16,206 ♪ Let Hertz put you in the driver's seat ♪ 940 01:04:16,208 --> 01:04:17,407 ♪ Let Hertz take you anywhere ♪ 941 01:04:17,409 --> 01:04:20,243 We had done a survey asking the customer base 942 01:04:20,245 --> 01:04:24,881 what was the most important attribute of the rental car experience? 943 01:04:24,883 --> 01:04:26,316 And the most important attribute was speed of service. 944 01:04:30,355 --> 01:04:34,357 So we went to the agency, and they showed a storyboard 945 01:04:34,359 --> 01:04:40,030 of a businessman with a briefcase running through the airport. 946 01:04:40,032 --> 01:04:43,600 Our marketing guy said, "Frank, it doesn't work. 947 01:04:43,602 --> 01:04:47,604 That's not realistic to think a businessman's gonna do that. 948 01:04:47,606 --> 01:04:50,474 We need somebody that connotes speed." 949 01:04:50,476 --> 01:04:54,978 And I said, "Like what?" He says, "Like O.J. Simpson." 950 01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:57,948 Juice comes off the blocks, immediately goes into the lead. 951 01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:59,382 Steve Smith running in second place. 952 01:04:59,384 --> 01:05:01,651 Right now it's Mark Gleason, but here comes Hancock. 953 01:05:01,653 --> 01:05:03,120 He moves past Gleason. 954 01:05:03,122 --> 01:05:06,056 O.J. looks back, sees Smith running at his shoulder, 955 01:05:06,058 --> 01:05:08,825 steps on it a little bit, and The Juice puts him away. 956 01:05:08,827 --> 01:05:10,427 It was one of the clients who said, 957 01:05:10,429 --> 01:05:14,131 "Did you see the ABC program The Superstars ? 958 01:05:14,133 --> 01:05:16,733 O.J. just lit up the screen. 959 01:05:16,735 --> 01:05:20,971 His personality came out, and he just made everybody smile." 960 01:05:20,973 --> 01:05:22,606 You gave him about a yard and then you took a look at him. 961 01:05:22,608 --> 01:05:23,940 What's happening? 962 01:05:23,942 --> 01:05:26,510 Well, I was out there cruising. I figure I'd coast it on in. 963 01:05:26,512 --> 01:05:30,413 I saw Steve pull up on me, you know, and my ego got a little ruffled there. 964 01:05:30,415 --> 01:05:32,149 I said, "I'd better get out in front again." 965 01:05:32,151 --> 01:05:35,152 I called him, and his first comment was, 966 01:05:35,154 --> 01:05:37,087 "Hertz is the number one rent-a-car company. 967 01:05:37,089 --> 01:05:41,191 If I'm ever going to do anything in advertising in a big way, 968 01:05:41,193 --> 01:05:43,693 it's always gonna be for the number one brand." 969 01:05:43,695 --> 01:05:46,029 When you're in a rush, take it from O.J. Simpson. 970 01:05:46,031 --> 01:05:48,832 There's only one superstar in rent-a-car: Hertz. 971 01:05:48,834 --> 01:05:51,835 The first ad was filmed in Newark Airport. 972 01:05:51,837 --> 01:05:53,770 He was very professional, 973 01:05:53,772 --> 01:05:58,008 he was anxious to make sure that he did things correctly, 974 01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:59,843 that his diction was appropriate. 975 01:05:59,845 --> 01:06:03,313 Others claim to be fast, but nobody has more to do it faster. 976 01:06:03,315 --> 01:06:06,216 More pros to execute the toughest performance standards. 977 01:06:06,218 --> 01:06:09,719 More cars, more locations, first with every good idea to speed up service, 978 01:06:09,721 --> 01:06:11,688 like the Number One Club. 979 01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:15,959 Before you get there, your form's filled out, car's preassigned. 980 01:06:15,961 --> 01:06:17,594 Go, O.J., go! 981 01:06:18,997 --> 01:06:23,133 Rent a Ford fast from Hertz, the superstar in rent-a-car. 982 01:06:23,135 --> 01:06:27,070 I thought it was perfect. I mean, it just made sense. 983 01:06:27,072 --> 01:06:30,240 You're trying to portray speed of service, 984 01:06:30,242 --> 01:06:34,744 and you've got the fastest guy in America running through the airport 985 01:06:34,746 --> 01:06:37,581 and a little old lady yelling, "Go, O.J.!" 986 01:06:37,583 --> 01:06:39,149 Go, O.J., go! 987 01:06:39,151 --> 01:06:40,283 It was perfect. 988 01:06:42,187 --> 01:06:47,090 It tested so well that they decided to use him for the print work, 989 01:06:47,092 --> 01:06:50,227 promotional work, and they did the right thing. 990 01:06:50,229 --> 01:06:53,330 He made that company successful. 991 01:06:53,332 --> 01:06:56,166 He became the image for that company. 992 01:06:56,168 --> 01:06:58,401 We started in September of '75. 993 01:06:58,403 --> 01:07:01,938 By two years of the campaign running, O.J. Simpson 994 01:07:01,940 --> 01:07:05,208 was the star presenter of the year for Advertising Age. 995 01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:08,612 There was never a story that was written about O.J. 996 01:07:08,614 --> 01:07:09,446 that didn't mention Hertz. 997 01:07:10,949 --> 01:07:14,417 Coming or going on a business trip, you've got no time to waste. 998 01:07:14,419 --> 01:07:17,087 I can see him right now flying through the airport. 999 01:07:17,089 --> 01:07:18,888 Whether it's picking up or dropping off... 1000 01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:22,092 I was proud. It made me want that. 1001 01:07:22,094 --> 01:07:25,228 Go, O.J., go! 1002 01:07:25,230 --> 01:07:26,796 It gave me hope. 1003 01:07:26,798 --> 01:07:29,633 There you are with super-speed 1004 01:07:29,635 --> 01:07:31,401 This is an important moment. 1005 01:07:31,403 --> 01:07:34,738 The young black kid seeing a black man running on television. 1006 01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:37,407 That's all he sees. He says, "He looks like my uncle Reggie." 1007 01:07:37,409 --> 01:07:38,908 You know it. 1008 01:07:38,910 --> 01:07:43,313 That's something I could do. I wanna be like O.J. on television. 1009 01:07:43,315 --> 01:07:45,448 Hi. Ever need to rent a car fast? Watch. 1010 01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:49,486 You're in the limelight. We like seeing you. You look like us. 1011 01:07:49,488 --> 01:07:50,787 It's kind of like when I first saw black people 1012 01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:52,255 brushing their teeth on TV. 1013 01:07:52,257 --> 01:07:54,257 I mean, we always knew we brushed our teeth, 1014 01:07:54,259 --> 01:07:56,626 but it was, like, a big thing. Like, "Come see!" 1015 01:07:56,628 --> 01:07:59,562 That's what happened with O.J. Simpson. 1016 01:07:59,564 --> 01:08:03,833 Those were heights that we had not reached before, so he was a pioneer. 1017 01:08:05,470 --> 01:08:09,773 You're a black man in America, you're fighting our war. 1018 01:08:09,775 --> 01:08:14,477 If you make a success for yourself somewhere, you've opened a door. 1019 01:08:14,479 --> 01:08:17,414 Fortunately, because of the riots of the early '60s, 1020 01:08:17,416 --> 01:08:19,649 some doors were opened to me. 1021 01:08:19,651 --> 01:08:22,352 If I were to have looked at myself in any other way except a man, 1022 01:08:22,354 --> 01:08:23,853 my brother could walk into a room and know 1023 01:08:23,855 --> 01:08:25,789 he's the only black guy in the room. 1024 01:08:25,791 --> 01:08:27,157 I walk in a room, and I don't care. 1025 01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:29,326 I don't count the blacks or whites in the room, 1026 01:08:29,328 --> 01:08:33,096 and in '68, when I signed to work for some white companies, you know, 1027 01:08:33,098 --> 01:08:35,532 Chevrolet Motor Division, I walked in the room, 1028 01:08:35,534 --> 01:08:37,701 and I never thought that I was the first black guy to do it. 1029 01:08:37,703 --> 01:08:40,337 I never even gave that any credence. 1030 01:08:40,339 --> 01:08:42,839 For us, O.J. was colorless. 1031 01:08:42,841 --> 01:08:49,346 None of the people that we associated with looked at him as a black man. 1032 01:08:50,949 --> 01:08:56,119 O.J. portrayed success. 1033 01:08:56,121 --> 01:09:02,292 Success, I mean, from nowhere. And I think people want to be successful. 1034 01:09:02,294 --> 01:09:06,062 O.J. was the first to demonstrate that white folks 1035 01:09:06,064 --> 01:09:10,500 would buy stuff based on a black endorsement 1036 01:09:10,502 --> 01:09:16,740 as long as it was not pressed as a black endorsement. 1037 01:09:16,742 --> 01:09:20,577 And the way they did that was to remove black people 1038 01:09:20,579 --> 01:09:26,049 totally from any scene that O.J. was in. 1039 01:09:27,185 --> 01:09:29,152 It was Fred Levinson who said, 1040 01:09:29,154 --> 01:09:32,689 "Guys, we're going to be showing a black man 1041 01:09:32,691 --> 01:09:35,992 running through an airport in 1975." 1042 01:09:35,994 --> 01:09:38,261 I said, "When you see the commercial with a black guy 1043 01:09:38,263 --> 01:09:40,997 running through an airport, a little different 1044 01:09:40,999 --> 01:09:43,066 than seeing a white guy running through an airport." 1045 01:09:43,068 --> 01:09:46,770 So he came up with the idea of putting in various characters 1046 01:09:46,772 --> 01:09:51,841 who would see O.J. and endorse him by saying, "Go, O.J., go!" 1047 01:09:51,843 --> 01:09:53,510 Go, O.J., go! 1048 01:09:53,512 --> 01:09:55,879 Go, O.J., go! 1049 01:09:55,881 --> 01:09:57,781 Go, Juice, go! 1050 01:09:57,783 --> 01:09:59,282 Rent a Ford from Hertz. 1051 01:09:59,284 --> 01:10:00,550 The superstar in rent-a-car. 1052 01:10:00,552 --> 01:10:01,851 Right. 1053 01:10:02,921 --> 01:10:05,355 They bought the notion 1054 01:10:05,357 --> 01:10:10,026 that you could erase the black character, the culture. 1055 01:10:10,028 --> 01:10:12,195 This is what made O.J. marketable. 1056 01:10:13,231 --> 01:10:16,199 He's African, but he's a good-looking man. 1057 01:10:16,201 --> 01:10:19,369 You know, he almost has white features. 1058 01:10:19,371 --> 01:10:23,773 He wasn't the typical black look, African look. 1059 01:10:23,775 --> 01:10:25,909 What white America got out of it 1060 01:10:25,911 --> 01:10:31,714 was they could point to somebody that had "made it" 1061 01:10:33,418 --> 01:10:37,454 and demonstrated unequivocally that we are more than willing 1062 01:10:37,456 --> 01:10:41,124 to not just accept you, but to embrace you. 1063 01:10:42,961 --> 01:10:49,966 What O.J. got out of it was money, fame, celebrity. 1064 01:10:49,968 --> 01:10:55,738 ♪ Hey, hey, hey! What you got to say? ♪ 1065 01:10:55,740 --> 01:10:59,742 I always say of it, he was the guy of the '70s. 1066 01:10:59,744 --> 01:11:01,678 I look back at those days, 1067 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,848 there was Muhammad Ali, Hank Aaron and O.J. Simpson. 1068 01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:07,450 And O.J. was the most popular of all of them. 1069 01:11:07,452 --> 01:11:09,118 ♪ Hollywood ♪ 1070 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,154 I didn't see them running through airports. 1071 01:11:11,156 --> 01:11:13,122 ♪ Hollywood swinger ♪ 1072 01:11:13,124 --> 01:11:16,292 When you're a star running back, you have to maintain a certain image. 1073 01:11:16,294 --> 01:11:17,527 Aw. 1074 01:11:17,529 --> 01:11:19,329 I'm'a tell ya, I dug O.J.. 1075 01:11:19,331 --> 01:11:24,334 I got a chance to see how he lived, how he handled stuff. 1076 01:11:24,336 --> 01:11:28,137 I'd never been that close to that type of success before. 1077 01:11:28,139 --> 01:11:32,542 ♪ Hey, listen, Hollywood city, yeah ♪ 1078 01:11:32,544 --> 01:11:35,678 They'd have 3-4,000 fans standing around the bus 1079 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,447 just to get a look at him. 1080 01:11:37,449 --> 01:11:41,718 He would stay on the field and sign every autograph. 1081 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:46,189 I've seen O.J. sign autographs for hours. 1082 01:11:46,191 --> 01:11:49,859 I said, "How in the world do you put up with this?" 1083 01:11:49,861 --> 01:11:53,863 He said, "Man, I wanted this." 1084 01:11:53,865 --> 01:11:56,199 O.J., tonight we're gonna change your image. 1085 01:11:56,201 --> 01:11:59,335 Flip, you won't be the first who tried. 1086 01:11:59,337 --> 01:12:04,073 ♪ Hollywood, Hollywood swinging ♪ 1087 01:12:04,075 --> 01:12:07,477 When I first met O.J., he was a huge star. 1088 01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,313 I'll shave one side with the leading double-edged blade. 1089 01:12:10,315 --> 01:12:13,683 I was friends with his wife Marguerite's sister. 1090 01:12:13,685 --> 01:12:16,019 I can't tell. Both sides feel the same. 1091 01:12:16,021 --> 01:12:21,925 They lived up in the hills, in Bel-Air. 1092 01:12:21,927 --> 01:12:28,264 Marguerite felt like she was a single mother while O.J. was out being O.J. 1093 01:12:32,604 --> 01:12:35,572 Tonight, O.J., we're gonna be sophisticated. 1094 01:12:35,574 --> 01:12:36,773 Sophisticated. 1095 01:12:36,775 --> 01:12:38,274 We gonna have a ball, Orenthal. 1096 01:12:38,276 --> 01:12:39,375 I can dig it. Cool. 1097 01:12:39,377 --> 01:12:41,544 Right on, O.J. 1098 01:12:41,546 --> 01:12:44,681 ♪ Hollywood ♪ 1099 01:12:44,683 --> 01:12:50,053 The scene is this, here is three poor black kids, 1100 01:12:50,055 --> 01:12:53,923 never had a thousand dollars in our pockets. 1101 01:12:53,925 --> 01:12:58,194 Now he got a brand-new drop-top Cadillac, 1102 01:12:58,196 --> 01:13:00,930 we're driving down Rodeo Drive. 1103 01:13:00,932 --> 01:13:07,437 Women come up, throw their arms around O.J. and just lay it on him. 1104 01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,975 Not just women, white women. Fine white women. 1105 01:13:11,977 --> 01:13:13,977 What you got to say? 1106 01:13:13,979 --> 01:13:16,779 It was that kind of world, man. 1107 01:13:16,781 --> 01:13:22,719 ♪ Hollywood, Hollywood swinging ♪ 1108 01:13:22,721 --> 01:13:26,255 Do you feel, like, any kind of pressure in some ways to... 1109 01:13:26,257 --> 01:13:28,124 You know, people expect that you're gonna be a hero 1110 01:13:28,126 --> 01:13:29,459 so you always have to... 1111 01:13:29,461 --> 01:13:33,162 Well, I found that... I thought that maybe my problem would be 1112 01:13:33,164 --> 01:13:35,164 that I would have to tear that down. 1113 01:13:35,166 --> 01:13:37,433 You know, I would have to, uh... You know, 1114 01:13:37,435 --> 01:13:39,502 I... I found that I was becoming a trapped... you know, 1115 01:13:39,504 --> 01:13:42,238 getting trapped within the image other people have of me. 1116 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,575 You know, my image was dictating what I did and who I was. 1117 01:13:45,577 --> 01:13:48,778 I even had a manager at one point, I was gonna do something and he said, 1118 01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:50,747 "You can't do that. O.J. would never do that." 1119 01:13:50,749 --> 01:13:53,783 I said, "Hey, wait. Wait a minute. I'm O.J. Simpson, you know? 1120 01:13:53,785 --> 01:13:55,785 And I'm'a do it." 1121 01:13:55,787 --> 01:13:57,186 Yeah, 'cause I would think that someone 1122 01:13:57,188 --> 01:13:58,988 would like you to be a spokesman. You know, to get out there. 1123 01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:59,956 All the time. 1124 01:13:59,958 --> 01:14:01,090 Yeah? 1125 01:14:01,092 --> 01:14:03,826 I've had a lot of pressure on me to go into politics. 1126 01:14:03,828 --> 01:14:07,130 I was pulled into it once or twice in the black movement, 1127 01:14:07,132 --> 01:14:08,698 when I was in school. 1128 01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:12,702 I think they tried to use us, and in many cases, it... it hurt guys. 1129 01:14:12,704 --> 01:14:14,704 I felt that with Harry Edwards. 1130 01:14:14,706 --> 01:14:16,706 It hurt Tommie Smith, it hurt John Carlos. 1131 01:14:16,708 --> 01:14:18,641 Standing on his platform, 1132 01:14:18,643 --> 01:14:20,843 I thought they should've been standing on their own platform. 1133 01:14:20,845 --> 01:14:21,944 I say if I'm gonna be standing on the platform, 1134 01:14:21,946 --> 01:14:25,014 I'm gonna be speaking for O.J. 1135 01:14:27,352 --> 01:14:30,019 When did you first meet Mr. Simpson? 1136 01:14:30,021 --> 01:14:32,288 1970. 1137 01:14:32,290 --> 01:14:35,024 Okay, and under what circumstances? 1138 01:14:35,026 --> 01:14:37,827 I met him, uh, on a tennis court. 1139 01:14:37,829 --> 01:14:41,130 Would you be able to describe Mr. Simpson's 1140 01:14:41,132 --> 01:14:43,900 basic personality as you knew it? 1141 01:14:43,902 --> 01:14:48,471 Very personable, very outgoing. 1142 01:14:48,473 --> 01:14:53,076 We did business together, and then we would, uh, socialize together. 1143 01:14:56,514 --> 01:15:01,417 We were at Bob Kardasian's mansion in Beverly Hills. 1144 01:15:01,419 --> 01:15:06,055 O.J. is playing tennis, and everybody's having a good time. 1145 01:15:06,057 --> 01:15:08,524 I'm with black power, get it? 1146 01:15:08,526 --> 01:15:11,394 I don't wanna be around these people, all right? 1147 01:15:11,396 --> 01:15:14,230 'Cause they're all phony to me. 1148 01:15:14,232 --> 01:15:17,066 I said, "O.J., look around you, man. 1149 01:15:17,068 --> 01:15:19,435 These people don't care nothing about us. 1150 01:15:19,437 --> 01:15:25,074 Just a few years ago, these guys woulda drove down Fillmore 1151 01:15:25,076 --> 01:15:30,913 in their Rolls Royce and they wouldn't have even spit on us." 1152 01:15:30,915 --> 01:15:35,384 I said, "Now they're acting like we're their long-lost brothers." 1153 01:15:35,386 --> 01:15:39,388 I said, "Man, the only reason we're here is we are jocks, 1154 01:15:39,390 --> 01:15:41,357 and you're O.J.." 1155 01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:46,629 And he looked at me, he says, "Mm-hm, yeah." 1156 01:15:46,631 --> 01:15:49,132 He says, "I understand what you're saying," 1157 01:15:49,134 --> 01:15:51,601 and he rubbed his tennis racket. 1158 01:15:51,603 --> 01:15:58,708 He says, "But I am O.J.," and ran off on the field laughing. 1159 01:15:58,710 --> 01:16:02,278 And I was, like, I mean, I was furious. 1160 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,415 Because I say, "He's lost. He's lost his identity. 1161 01:16:06,417 --> 01:16:09,051 He doesn't know who he is any longer." 1162 01:16:11,556 --> 01:16:15,491 I think he'd been brainwashed. 1163 01:16:15,493 --> 01:16:18,761 Let me read you something that he said to me. 1164 01:16:18,763 --> 01:16:20,630 "That sort of thing hurts me 1165 01:16:20,632 --> 01:16:24,801 even though it's what I strive for, to be a man first. 1166 01:16:24,803 --> 01:16:27,937 Maybe it's money, a class thing. 1167 01:16:27,939 --> 01:16:30,606 The negro is always identified with poverty. 1168 01:16:30,608 --> 01:16:37,280 But then you think of Willy Mays as black, but not Bill Cosby. 1169 01:16:37,282 --> 01:16:39,315 So it's more than just money. 1170 01:16:39,317 --> 01:16:42,185 As black men, we need something up there all the time for us, 1171 01:16:42,187 --> 01:16:46,756 but what I'm doing is not for principles or black people. 1172 01:16:46,758 --> 01:16:54,197 No. I'm dealing first for O.J. Simpson, his wife and his babies." 1173 01:16:55,667 --> 01:17:03,372 O.J.'s quest was to erase race as a defining factor in his life, 1174 01:17:03,374 --> 01:17:08,044 and that was the basis upon which white society 1175 01:17:08,046 --> 01:17:11,347 not only accepted him, but embraced him. 1176 01:17:14,552 --> 01:17:18,287 Now, there are problems with that, 1177 01:17:18,289 --> 01:17:23,326 because what enabled O.J. to be O.J. and not be black 1178 01:17:23,328 --> 01:17:27,663 was that so many negroes and black people stood up, 1179 01:17:27,665 --> 01:17:31,734 made the sacrifice, paid the price. 1180 01:17:31,736 --> 01:17:36,372 They're the ones that set the table for O.J. and what he was saying was, 1181 01:17:36,374 --> 01:17:40,243 "Okay. We may not have arrived, but I have arrived, 1182 01:17:40,245 --> 01:17:42,044 and as far as I'm concerned, 1183 01:17:42,046 --> 01:17:44,347 everybody else can get here the same way that I did, 1184 01:17:44,349 --> 01:17:47,383 and when they get here, they can do what I do." 1185 01:17:47,385 --> 01:17:50,386 He was so privileged, he was so accepted, 1186 01:17:50,388 --> 01:17:56,259 he was so embraced that he was immune from the reality 1187 01:17:56,261 --> 01:18:00,663 that he could find in the mirror every morning that he was a black man. 1188 01:18:02,166 --> 01:18:06,669 No matter how far he runs and how long he runs, 1189 01:18:06,671 --> 01:18:09,205 when you look in the mirror, 1190 01:18:09,207 --> 01:18:15,077 that black man is gonna be right there with you. Every day. 1191 01:18:22,587 --> 01:18:25,721 We were just sitting around the house once and, uh, he says, 1192 01:18:25,723 --> 01:18:29,759 "Joe, do you think you could go back?" 1193 01:18:29,761 --> 01:18:32,194 And I was like, "Go back where?" 1194 01:18:32,196 --> 01:18:35,464 He said, "You know, go back to the projects, hanging out?" 1195 01:18:35,466 --> 01:18:38,935 I said, "Yeah, man." I said, "I could go back tomorrow." 1196 01:18:48,379 --> 01:18:54,050 Potrero Hill. Hasn't changed a bit. 1197 01:18:59,757 --> 01:19:04,460 We didn't have Dr. King and these other bougie folks as role models. 1198 01:19:04,462 --> 01:19:08,164 Our role models was pimps and players. 1199 01:19:08,166 --> 01:19:11,901 Those are the only people that we looked up to, 1200 01:19:11,903 --> 01:19:13,836 because they had cool things. 1201 01:19:15,406 --> 01:19:21,010 They'd beat a ho down right there on the street in front of everybody 1202 01:19:21,012 --> 01:19:22,678 so that all the women would know it, 1203 01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,447 this is the kind of treatment you're gonna get 1204 01:19:24,449 --> 01:19:26,349 if you don't bring me my money. 1205 01:19:28,686 --> 01:19:34,190 Your perceptions are shaped by the men that are in your lives. 1206 01:19:34,192 --> 01:19:38,995 Mama was Mama. We knew she loved us, but the reality is 1207 01:19:38,997 --> 01:19:43,599 I didn't wanna be like Mama. Mama's a woman. I want to be a man. 1208 01:19:45,370 --> 01:19:48,938 He had to deal with his father from time to time. 1209 01:19:48,940 --> 01:19:51,440 Sometimes, I guess his father came by 1210 01:19:51,442 --> 01:19:54,176 to take care of the monthly payment or whatever. 1211 01:19:56,848 --> 01:20:02,718 One day, we went over to his dad's house. We knocked on the door. 1212 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,956 He kept looking at me, and when his dad opened the door, 1213 01:20:06,958 --> 01:20:11,027 he was in a bathrobe, which is not a crime, 1214 01:20:11,029 --> 01:20:14,864 but then his dad kinda opened the door more, 1215 01:20:14,866 --> 01:20:17,500 and there was a guy in the back in a bathrobe too, 1216 01:20:17,502 --> 01:20:21,437 so it was obvious that his dad was gay. 1217 01:20:22,807 --> 01:20:26,675 We left and on the way back, we were quiet. 1218 01:20:26,677 --> 01:20:32,081 Because there was so much tension, we got to this certain point, 1219 01:20:32,083 --> 01:20:33,916 and we both bust out laughing. 1220 01:20:33,918 --> 01:20:37,386 Calvin came to me, and he was like, 1221 01:20:37,388 --> 01:20:43,092 "Man, did you know O.J.'s dad is a punk?" 1222 01:20:43,094 --> 01:20:49,532 I was like, "Man, shut up. I don't wanna hear that." 1223 01:20:49,534 --> 01:20:52,368 Back in our day that was the worst thing in the world. 1224 01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:55,738 That you could ever think about an African-American man 1225 01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:57,740 being a homosexual. 1226 01:20:57,742 --> 01:20:59,341 Did you ever talk to O.J. about this? 1227 01:20:59,343 --> 01:21:00,009 No. 1228 01:21:00,011 --> 01:21:01,610 Never? 1229 01:21:01,612 --> 01:21:11,253 Mm-mm. I felt like that issue was enough for him to deal with himself. 1230 01:21:13,257 --> 01:21:17,726 Think of O.J. as an American man, 1231 01:21:17,728 --> 01:21:21,530 a poor American man, tough American man, 1232 01:21:21,532 --> 01:21:29,105 who's recreating himself in ways that people would accept and push. 1233 01:21:34,712 --> 01:21:38,380 O.J. Simpson may be playing the last game of his brilliant football career 1234 01:21:38,382 --> 01:21:40,950 tomorrow when the Buffalo Bills meet the Minnesota Vikings. 1235 01:21:40,952 --> 01:21:44,720 All year, O.J. has hinted he may hang up his cleats for a movie career. 1236 01:21:47,291 --> 01:21:51,627 He could not wait to get out of Buffalo. 1237 01:21:51,629 --> 01:21:52,895 He was away from the glamour. 1238 01:21:52,897 --> 01:21:55,131 He was away from all the Hollywood and all that stuff. 1239 01:21:56,601 --> 01:22:01,570 He got attention here, but it was a different kind of attention. 1240 01:22:01,572 --> 01:22:04,473 It was not Hollywood attention. 1241 01:22:06,077 --> 01:22:09,845 Lou Saban said today that he's detected a change in The Juice. 1242 01:22:09,847 --> 01:22:12,748 He hasn't diminished one whit as a competitor, 1243 01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:14,250 but he's an intelligent man, 1244 01:22:14,252 --> 01:22:17,953 and he's thinking about the whole of his future life. 1245 01:22:17,955 --> 01:22:20,823 There are certain opportunities outside of football 1246 01:22:20,825 --> 01:22:24,827 that I can't, uh... I just can't overlook too... too many more years. 1247 01:22:24,829 --> 01:22:27,329 You know, I came into the league, I thought the world was mine. 1248 01:22:27,331 --> 01:22:29,832 I had a few bad years, and I realized then that 1249 01:22:29,834 --> 01:22:31,367 "Hey, you know, when you're hot you're hot," 1250 01:22:31,369 --> 01:22:34,136 so there's opportunities that have come to me with ABC, 1251 01:22:34,138 --> 01:22:36,805 with the movies that I would like to, uh, take advantage of 1252 01:22:36,807 --> 01:22:39,375 and, uh, the only thing I wanna do right now is play... 1253 01:22:39,377 --> 01:22:42,444 Get the best possible year I can so if I do retire... 1254 01:22:42,446 --> 01:22:44,813 I... I will feel that I gave it my all and I, 1255 01:22:44,815 --> 01:22:46,348 you know, uh, went out the best. 1256 01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:50,219 That's your own meretricious way of saying you want my job. 1257 01:22:50,221 --> 01:22:51,887 Well, you gotta explain meretricious to me, Howard. 1258 01:22:54,492 --> 01:22:59,395 I always felt that there was more underneath O.J. Simpson 1259 01:22:59,397 --> 01:23:03,866 than just the momentary superficiality of his pleasantness. 1260 01:23:06,204 --> 01:23:09,138 He had goals that he wanted to achieve, 1261 01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:10,739 and he internalized those things. 1262 01:23:12,009 --> 01:23:15,644 There was something driving him, and I always felt 1263 01:23:15,646 --> 01:23:19,014 that he was looking past a football career, 1264 01:23:19,016 --> 01:23:21,917 which was going to definitely come to an end. 1265 01:23:23,421 --> 01:23:29,658 We are T-minus 18 seconds from liftoff. We are T-minus 15 seconds. 1266 01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:31,227 Would you and your men please follow me? 1267 01:23:31,229 --> 01:23:32,494 Gary, what the hell is this? 1268 01:23:32,496 --> 01:23:34,697 This is an emergency. Please follow me now! 1269 01:23:34,699 --> 01:23:37,900 One of the most intriguing films now being put together in Hollywood 1270 01:23:37,902 --> 01:23:39,501 is Capricorn One. 1271 01:23:39,503 --> 01:23:43,405 James Brolin plays the first astronaut to set foot on Mars, 1272 01:23:43,407 --> 01:23:47,076 but the picture's scene-stealer will probably be O.J. Simpson. 1273 01:23:47,078 --> 01:23:51,280 It basically came from the studio that they wanted O.J. Simpson. 1274 01:23:51,282 --> 01:23:56,752 I thought there were worthy African-American actors 1275 01:23:56,754 --> 01:24:00,556 who had paid their dues as actors, who had shown their talent. 1276 01:24:00,558 --> 01:24:03,792 My first choice was either Robert Hooks or Bernie Casey, 1277 01:24:03,794 --> 01:24:08,330 so my reaction was less than enthusiastic. 1278 01:24:11,402 --> 01:24:13,402 I had seen Towering Inferno. 1279 01:24:13,404 --> 01:24:17,106 What? Damn it, man, you shoulda sent a man up there. 1280 01:24:17,108 --> 01:24:19,742 How do you expect her to hear a phone call? She's deaf. 1281 01:24:19,744 --> 01:24:22,111 I thought he was not gonna frighten Daniel Day-Lewis. 1282 01:24:23,914 --> 01:24:28,384 O.J. was a celebrity of enormous stature, 1283 01:24:28,386 --> 01:24:32,087 and somebody who had not shown the chops to play the part. 1284 01:24:32,089 --> 01:24:34,823 How uptight do you get making a picture like Capricorn One 1285 01:24:34,825 --> 01:24:38,260 where you're working in the company of actors of... of real stature and... 1286 01:24:38,262 --> 01:24:40,496 and you're just a football star trying to be an actor? 1287 01:24:40,498 --> 01:24:43,832 No, I don't think, uh, it's given me that... that feeling. 1288 01:24:43,834 --> 01:24:45,467 It's obviously given me the feeling that, 1289 01:24:45,469 --> 01:24:46,969 "Hey, I've still got a lot to learn." 1290 01:24:46,971 --> 01:24:49,672 I think, uh, you never stop learning in anything, 1291 01:24:49,674 --> 01:24:53,642 and I... I realize I'm still just a babe, you know, in the woods. 1292 01:24:53,644 --> 01:24:59,915 My goal was to see if I could make this guy work for what I wanted. 1293 01:24:59,917 --> 01:25:02,418 Came time to do his last scene. 1294 01:25:02,420 --> 01:25:09,992 Water. Tiny says signs for water. 1295 01:25:09,994 --> 01:25:13,829 He's a guy who's parched and delusional. 1296 01:25:13,831 --> 01:25:16,965 Dry river bed. Signs. 1297 01:25:16,967 --> 01:25:19,835 And so rather than him acting somebody 1298 01:25:19,837 --> 01:25:21,503 who was desperately thirsty... 1299 01:25:21,505 --> 01:25:23,839 ... more sign. 1300 01:25:23,841 --> 01:25:27,209 I put appliances on his face that made it difficult for him to move 1301 01:25:27,211 --> 01:25:32,014 and difficult to talk, and it just made him sound 1302 01:25:32,016 --> 01:25:34,149 like he was in desperate trouble. 1303 01:25:34,151 --> 01:25:37,619 Elizabeth, there's no water. 1304 01:25:37,621 --> 01:25:46,662 - There's no water. - I don't want to die. 1305 01:25:46,664 --> 01:25:48,831 And, uh, he was pretty good. 1306 01:25:48,833 --> 01:25:50,299 Elizabeth. 1307 01:25:50,301 --> 01:25:53,369 You know, at the... at the... What could I say? 1308 01:25:53,371 --> 01:25:56,038 He was a charming, terrific guy. 1309 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,842 He was a positive guy. He tried very hard, 1310 01:25:59,844 --> 01:26:05,047 and it was clear that he saw a future for himself in film. 1311 01:26:22,566 --> 01:26:25,434 The Daisy was a private club in Beverly Hills, 1312 01:26:25,436 --> 01:26:27,703 and the only people that could get in it 1313 01:26:27,705 --> 01:26:30,539 were either rich, famous or beautiful. 1314 01:26:30,541 --> 01:26:35,711 All the celebrities used to go there. And really beautiful girls. 1315 01:26:35,713 --> 01:26:39,448 And you could get in even if you were underage, no problem. 1316 01:26:41,452 --> 01:26:45,687 Jack Hanson started the disco, and he knew every Hollywood star. 1317 01:26:45,689 --> 01:26:48,690 Jack was a former USC guy. 1318 01:26:48,692 --> 01:26:52,194 One day he said, "You chum around a bit with this Simpson guy. 1319 01:26:52,196 --> 01:26:54,963 Could you bring him by, you know, and introduce him to me?" 1320 01:26:54,965 --> 01:26:57,533 He was married to Marguerite at that time. 1321 01:26:57,535 --> 01:27:01,937 But as we're sitting there, this gorgeous little surfer blonde 1322 01:27:01,939 --> 01:27:04,106 is waiting tables at lunch hour. 1323 01:27:04,108 --> 01:27:07,209 O.J. goes, "Wow, who's that?" 1324 01:27:07,211 --> 01:27:10,746 Jack had Nicole come over and said hello. 1325 01:27:10,748 --> 01:27:14,883 And she didn't walk 10 feet away, and he looks right at Hanson and said, 1326 01:27:14,885 --> 01:27:16,785 "I'm gonna marry that girl." 1327 01:27:22,259 --> 01:27:26,595 She was 18 years old, she had just graduated from high school. 1328 01:27:26,597 --> 01:27:29,164 She was just like my little sister. 1329 01:27:29,166 --> 01:27:34,002 She goes, "I met this man, and his name is O.J. Simpson." 1330 01:27:34,004 --> 01:27:37,739 They went out, and I waited up for them. 1331 01:27:39,343 --> 01:27:43,345 She got home, it was, like, 2 o'clock in the morning 1332 01:27:43,347 --> 01:27:48,650 and her jeans were ripped. And I went, "What... ? What happened?" 1333 01:27:48,652 --> 01:27:52,120 And she goes, "Well, he was a little forceful." 1334 01:27:52,122 --> 01:27:55,290 And I go, "Nicole, why would you let him, 1335 01:27:55,292 --> 01:27:58,026 first date, be a little bit forceful?" 1336 01:27:58,028 --> 01:28:01,797 "Well, Dave, don't be upset. I think I really like this guy." 1337 01:28:01,799 --> 01:28:03,665 That was, you know, the start of it. 1338 01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:09,137 About two days later, she went back to work. She said, 1339 01:28:09,139 --> 01:28:14,810 "O.J. came in. He wants to get an apartment for me and also a car." 1340 01:28:14,812 --> 01:28:16,645 And I went, 1341 01:28:16,647 --> 01:28:21,783 "Nicole, think about this. You know, he's married and has children." 1342 01:28:21,785 --> 01:28:27,222 And she goes, "But I think I really like this guy." It was that fast. 1343 01:28:28,792 --> 01:28:32,694 Eighteen years old. I mean, it was too young. 1344 01:28:35,165 --> 01:28:38,867 She was quiet, nice, didn't say too much. 1345 01:28:38,869 --> 01:28:42,037 She wasn't like she was distant or anything. She was just a shy person. 1346 01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:48,043 And Nicole was a doer. Whatever Nicole put her mind to, she could do. 1347 01:28:48,045 --> 01:28:49,645 She actually wanted to be a photographer, 1348 01:28:49,647 --> 01:28:51,980 and she was always an artist. 1349 01:28:53,183 --> 01:28:55,217 Honestly, the connection's pretty obvious. 1350 01:28:55,219 --> 01:28:58,420 I mean, she's drop-dead gorgeous. 1351 01:29:00,224 --> 01:29:04,126 She was hot. My sister was really a beautiful girl. 1352 01:29:05,829 --> 01:29:09,398 We didn't know who he was. We were girls in the Brown house. 1353 01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,601 We didn't grow up with football. We went to the beach. 1354 01:29:12,603 --> 01:29:19,074 So when Nicole came home with him, we were like, "Who are you?" 1355 01:29:19,076 --> 01:29:22,744 They had a real love affair, these two. 1356 01:29:22,746 --> 01:29:26,915 When they were together, it was just... it was love. 1357 01:29:28,218 --> 01:29:31,019 And that's what makes this thing so sad. 1358 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,000 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com - 117559

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