Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:23,446 --> 00:00:27,414
As a kid growing up in the ghetto,
2
00:00:27,416 --> 00:00:32,553
one of the things I wanted
most was not money, it was fame.
3
00:00:32,555 --> 00:00:37,291
I wanted to be known. I want the
people to say, "Hey, there goes O.J."
4
00:00:47,036 --> 00:00:50,904
You're approaching five
years now at Lovelock.
5
00:00:50,906 --> 00:00:53,073
Tell us about your work assignments.
6
00:00:53,075 --> 00:00:57,278
How have you occupied your
time for the past five years?
7
00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,647
Uh, when I first came
here, I was a porter,
8
00:00:59,649 --> 00:01:03,384
which comprised of cleaning
things in the unit that I was in,
9
00:01:03,386 --> 00:01:07,554
and basically after a
relatively short period of time,
10
00:01:07,556 --> 00:01:10,891
I started working as a gym worker.
11
00:01:10,893 --> 00:01:15,763
I start each day, um, disinfecting,
uh, the workout equipment in the gym,
12
00:01:15,765 --> 00:01:20,734
mopping floors with the other, uh,
group of us that work in the gym.
13
00:01:20,736 --> 00:01:25,306
Uh, I've coached teams, um,
uh, since I've been here.
14
00:01:25,308 --> 00:01:27,174
Uh, and I like to say that
we won the championship,
15
00:01:27,176 --> 00:01:30,411
and we were old guys, a
totally mixed group of players.
16
00:01:30,413 --> 00:01:32,613
I didn't play, I just coached.
17
00:01:32,615 --> 00:01:38,185
I do see that in 1994 you
were arrested at the age of 46.
18
00:01:40,122 --> 00:01:41,789
We... We're talking about this case?
19
00:01:41,791 --> 00:01:43,590
No, the age at first arrest.
20
00:01:43,592 --> 00:01:47,428
How old were you, first time you
were arrested? For any reason.
21
00:01:52,601 --> 00:01:55,202
Um, I think about 46, yes.
22
00:02:19,061 --> 00:02:22,129
With an enrollment of
approximately 16,000 students,
23
00:02:22,131 --> 00:02:24,331
this is the largest and oldest university
24
00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:27,134
of continuous existence
in Southern California.
25
00:02:27,136 --> 00:02:30,237
Its buildings and grounds cover 45 acres
26
00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:32,806
and it has graduated many
thousands of men and women
27
00:02:32,808 --> 00:02:35,609
who are now leaders in the
business and professional world.
28
00:02:44,153 --> 00:02:45,686
I didn't know that much about him.
29
00:02:45,688 --> 00:02:48,789
I heard about his reputation
coming out of junior college.
30
00:02:56,832 --> 00:03:01,435
He was big, fast, powerful, dynamic.
31
00:03:01,437 --> 00:03:03,937
You're awed, because
you haven't seen that.
32
00:03:07,009 --> 00:03:09,843
I was teaching part-time at San
Jose State and a friend of mine said,
33
00:03:09,845 --> 00:03:15,749
"Hey, man, you gotta go check out this
little cat from, um, San Francisco.
34
00:03:15,751 --> 00:03:17,985
His name is Simpson.
Orenthal James Simpson."
35
00:03:19,922 --> 00:03:22,856
O.J. takes the football. Boom.
36
00:03:24,293 --> 00:03:28,262
I think he runs about 90
yards with it for a touchdown.
37
00:03:29,732 --> 00:03:33,300
He ran through 'em like
foreign water through a tourist.
38
00:03:37,573 --> 00:03:42,443
San Jose State was trying to
recruit him, and I asked him,
39
00:03:42,445 --> 00:03:44,978
"O.J., what is it that
you're lookin' for?"
40
00:03:47,149 --> 00:03:50,317
Said, "I wanna be the best.
41
00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:53,020
I wanna go to a school where
I play against the best."
42
00:03:57,059 --> 00:04:00,961
Superstar phenom is coming to USC
43
00:04:00,963 --> 00:04:03,063
and all the buzz that goes around with it.
44
00:04:04,733 --> 00:04:07,968
This is Marguerite Simpson.
45
00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:10,671
She and O.J. have been
married for five months now.
46
00:04:10,673 --> 00:04:11,839
Right.
47
00:04:11,841 --> 00:04:13,674
Are you happy after five months?
48
00:04:13,676 --> 00:04:15,108
Yes, I'm very happy.
49
00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:16,677
And do you like this
campus and everything?
50
00:04:16,679 --> 00:04:20,681
I love it. It's like a
resort. It's beautiful.
51
00:04:20,683 --> 00:04:23,283
Now, you tell us the truth,
Marguerite. What kind of guy is O.J.?
52
00:04:23,285 --> 00:04:27,788
O.J. is very serious. He loves football.
53
00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:29,923
And he's just a serious person.
54
00:04:34,196 --> 00:04:36,263
He has a great running sense.
55
00:04:36,265 --> 00:04:38,932
Uh, as a team man, he's
an outstanding person.
56
00:04:38,934 --> 00:04:42,769
As a citizen, he is a
tremendous boy and, uh,
57
00:04:42,771 --> 00:04:45,806
I don't think we've had a boy around
here who has ever been any better.
58
00:04:45,808 --> 00:04:48,542
Whoo! Get up!
59
00:04:48,544 --> 00:04:53,347
It was pretty obvious early on that
O.J. was a superiorathlete, special,
60
00:04:53,349 --> 00:04:57,618
and Coach McKay was
warmer and closer with him.
61
00:04:57,620 --> 00:05:02,055
He had never had a player of this
caliber. And you didn't mess with it.
62
00:05:02,057 --> 00:05:03,590
He protected him.
63
00:05:06,829 --> 00:05:08,729
Johnny, would you
describe that devastating
64
00:05:08,731 --> 00:05:11,064
Southern Cal offensive attack for us?
65
00:05:11,066 --> 00:05:14,001
Well, Duffy, I don't... I don't know
how devastating it is, but our attack
66
00:05:14,003 --> 00:05:17,538
is built around the, uh, tailback,
O.J. Simpson, running a football.
67
00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:21,275
We think our attack will be able to
let us move the ball on most people.
68
00:05:23,512 --> 00:05:25,746
There was no drama.
69
00:05:25,748 --> 00:05:29,316
John McKay was gonna
give him the football,
70
00:05:29,318 --> 00:05:32,019
and he was gonna give it
to him 35, 40 times a game
71
00:05:32,021 --> 00:05:33,220
and you were gonna tackle him.
72
00:05:34,723 --> 00:05:40,260
And then when you missed, we
were gonna score a touchdown.
73
00:05:40,262 --> 00:05:42,996
So we fed him the football,
fed him the football...
74
00:05:46,602 --> 00:05:49,269
He had incredible stamina,
75
00:05:49,271 --> 00:05:54,007
that he could take the ball
every play and keep on going.
76
00:05:56,111 --> 00:05:59,179
Every game he did something
that was eye-opening.
77
00:05:59,181 --> 00:06:01,148
You... "What? Did I see that?"
78
00:06:03,719 --> 00:06:06,119
He was one of a kind.
79
00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,401
This is O.J. Simpson,
USC's junior halfback.
80
00:06:21,403 --> 00:06:25,038
You have been getting an
awful lot of publicity lately.
81
00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,306
How does it affect you? Does it bother ya?
82
00:06:26,308 --> 00:06:27,908
Oh, it doesn't bother me at all.
83
00:06:27,910 --> 00:06:29,610
It's... It's a matter of winning, I guess.
84
00:06:29,612 --> 00:06:31,244
If you win, you get publicity,
85
00:06:31,246 --> 00:06:34,881
and they have to give someone in our
offense and on our team publicity,
86
00:06:34,883 --> 00:06:36,717
and, uh, I'm just in a position to get it,
87
00:06:36,719 --> 00:06:39,953
running at the tailback and
carrying the ball as much as I do.
88
00:06:39,955 --> 00:06:42,756
O.J., you've got an awful
big game on Saturday.
89
00:06:42,758 --> 00:06:46,393
It's the big intercity rivalry.
There's just all kind of pressure.
90
00:06:46,395 --> 00:06:47,928
How does the pressure affect you?
91
00:06:47,930 --> 00:06:49,997
Well, uh, I don't know.
92
00:06:49,999 --> 00:06:50,831
I don't think the pressure bothers...
93
00:06:50,833 --> 00:06:52,616
It doesn't bother me and...
94
00:06:52,617 --> 00:06:54,400
and I think most of the team right
now, it's not bothering them yet.
95
00:06:54,403 --> 00:06:56,269
I'm sure it will tomorrow.
96
00:06:56,271 --> 00:06:58,438
We're shooting for all
the marbles this week,
97
00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,607
and, uh, I think we'll be
relaxed and ready to go.
98
00:07:10,119 --> 00:07:14,054
USC football is not a
matter of life and death.
99
00:07:15,958 --> 00:07:18,992
It's much more important than that.
100
00:07:18,994 --> 00:07:20,927
Live and in color, you
are looking at this view,
101
00:07:20,929 --> 00:07:25,766
hovering above the Memorial
Coliseum which is jam packed today.
102
00:07:25,768 --> 00:07:29,136
As we look at Gary Beban, a
reminder that college football,
103
00:07:29,138 --> 00:07:32,773
a pleasant and colorful way
to spend an autumn afternoon.
104
00:07:34,143 --> 00:07:37,444
UCLA's quarterback was Gary Beban.
105
00:07:37,446 --> 00:07:39,880
It's gonna be his year
for the Heisman Trophy.
106
00:07:41,116 --> 00:07:44,384
So we have the upcomer running back
107
00:07:44,386 --> 00:07:46,953
against the established
superstar quarterback.
108
00:07:50,626 --> 00:07:54,628
We were ranked number 4,
they were ranked number 1.
109
00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:58,799
The city of Los Angeles, the
two top teams in the country,
110
00:07:58,801 --> 00:08:01,968
and we're fighting for
the national championship.
111
00:08:01,970 --> 00:08:05,038
Today with 10 cameras covering this game,
112
00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,808
over 200, uh, newsmen
here, 200 photographers.
113
00:08:07,810 --> 00:08:10,510
There were people out here
this morning at 6 o'clock
114
00:08:10,512 --> 00:08:12,145
trying to get in to the ballgame.
115
00:08:12,147 --> 00:08:14,214
And the ballgame is underway.
116
00:08:14,216 --> 00:08:16,750
I had never been to a college game ever.
117
00:08:16,752 --> 00:08:18,585
And we all wanted to go see O.J.
118
00:08:18,587 --> 00:08:23,457
Offensively now for the Trojans,
watch for number 32, O.J. Simpson.
119
00:08:26,829 --> 00:08:28,495
None of us had any tickets.
120
00:08:28,497 --> 00:08:31,198
All of a sudden, we looked
up and someone had cut a hole
121
00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,869
in the Coliseum fence and about 50
people ran through it, including us.
122
00:08:35,871 --> 00:08:39,172
Okay, Bud, we have approximately 9
minutes remaining in the first half.
123
00:08:39,174 --> 00:08:41,842
I'd never seen the
Coliseum full like that.
124
00:08:41,844 --> 00:08:45,245
There was just the colors, I was in awe.
125
00:08:45,247 --> 00:08:51,284
Tie ballgame, and they are in UCLA
territory. Steve Sogge. Simpson.
126
00:08:53,355 --> 00:08:58,291
There's his brilliance.
Thirteen yards. Touchdown.
127
00:08:58,293 --> 00:09:03,897
A tremendously gifted athlete,
number 32, O.J. Simpson.
128
00:09:03,899 --> 00:09:06,099
Everybody loved watching O.J. run.
129
00:09:06,101 --> 00:09:08,034
As we look at it in slow motion...
130
00:09:08,036 --> 00:09:09,102
There was something about his style.
131
00:09:09,104 --> 00:09:10,937
... O.J. Simpson.
132
00:09:10,939 --> 00:09:13,573
I said, "Man, if I could but
run half as well as this guy,
133
00:09:13,575 --> 00:09:14,875
I might be all right."
134
00:09:14,877 --> 00:09:19,980
Beban hooking. Deep and long to Copeland.
135
00:09:19,982 --> 00:09:23,016
UCLA has tied it up.
136
00:09:26,121 --> 00:09:28,922
There is Nuttall.
137
00:09:28,924 --> 00:09:31,958
Touchdown, UCLA.
138
00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,964
And with 11 minutes and 40 seconds
left in the game UCLA gets the lead.
139
00:09:37,966 --> 00:09:41,301
We were losing. And we were fighting.
140
00:09:41,303 --> 00:09:43,970
O.J. Simpson is deep. Number 32.
141
00:09:43,972 --> 00:09:46,006
And he's determined.
142
00:09:46,008 --> 00:09:49,276
We were outplaying them,
143
00:09:49,278 --> 00:09:53,113
and we were very angry that
we were not winning that game.
144
00:09:53,115 --> 00:09:54,514
Thirty. Moving away,
145
00:09:54,516 --> 00:09:59,519
and sheer sake of effort brings
him out to the 43-yard line.
146
00:09:59,521 --> 00:10:04,524
Things weren't going
our way until that run.
147
00:10:04,526 --> 00:10:07,928
Rose Bowl bid, Bud, is at stake.
148
00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:09,462
Everything that they've
fought for all year,
149
00:10:09,464 --> 00:10:12,332
it's coming down to the wire
now, Chris. These final minutes.
150
00:10:12,334 --> 00:10:15,836
At the 36-yard line, a 4-yard gain,
151
00:10:15,838 --> 00:10:17,971
it'll be third down at
three for the Trojans.
152
00:10:17,973 --> 00:10:19,439
It was a pass play.
153
00:10:19,441 --> 00:10:20,607
They need three yards.
154
00:10:20,609 --> 00:10:25,111
In the audible, and some
guys missed the audible.
155
00:10:27,316 --> 00:10:31,551
I couldn't hear it. I made a
mistake. I stood up to pass block.
156
00:10:31,553 --> 00:10:34,955
The linebacker read me and
backed into his passing zone,
157
00:10:34,957 --> 00:10:37,724
and that opened up a lane for O.J.
158
00:10:37,726 --> 00:10:39,960
And he did his magic.
159
00:10:39,962 --> 00:10:43,163
First down and more. There's Simpson.
160
00:10:43,165 --> 00:10:46,299
Look at that cut! O.J. Simpson!
161
00:10:48,237 --> 00:10:49,736
All she wrote.
162
00:10:49,738 --> 00:10:56,743
64 yards. 64 thrilling, captivating,
collegiate football yards,
163
00:10:56,745 --> 00:11:00,080
and let's look at that one again. Wow.
164
00:11:00,082 --> 00:11:03,884
Don't recall seeing anybody that
can turn it on like this boy, Chris.
165
00:11:03,886 --> 00:11:09,189
If you were a football fan in the
late '60s and someone said to you,
166
00:11:09,191 --> 00:11:13,093
"Do you remember the
run," it was just one run.
167
00:11:14,763 --> 00:11:18,899
That set O.J. apart from everyone.
168
00:11:18,901 --> 00:11:21,668
He's so much faster,
it makes no difference.
169
00:11:21,670 --> 00:11:29,542
That single play is still felt to
be one of the greatest college plays.
170
00:11:29,544 --> 00:11:33,146
He became an instant national star.
171
00:11:38,186 --> 00:11:40,854
A civil rights leader
in Los Angeles has said
172
00:11:40,856 --> 00:11:43,123
if you are going to be
a negro in a big city,
173
00:11:43,125 --> 00:11:45,659
then, Los Angeles is the best place to be.
174
00:11:59,541 --> 00:12:03,209
The image of Los Angeles
was milk and honey.
175
00:12:03,211 --> 00:12:08,882
There's no prejudice in Los Angeles.
Everybody's free to do what they will.
176
00:12:08,884 --> 00:12:16,222
You know, palm trees and sunshine.
It's just the ultimate place.
177
00:12:16,224 --> 00:12:19,392
And anybody who was trying to go
somewhere, at least in my area,
178
00:12:19,394 --> 00:12:21,127
you know, they were going to Los Angeles.
179
00:12:24,299 --> 00:12:27,901
There is no group in America to
whom California has meant more
180
00:12:27,903 --> 00:12:30,136
than it has to the negroes.
181
00:12:30,138 --> 00:12:34,140
In the two decades between 1940 and 1960,
182
00:12:34,142 --> 00:12:36,743
while the population of all
other groups in Los Angeles
183
00:12:36,745 --> 00:12:42,048
went up by 100 percent, the negro
population went up by 600 percent.
184
00:12:43,986 --> 00:12:45,785
Where do the people come from?
185
00:12:45,787 --> 00:12:51,224
People come from the states
of Texas, Louisiana, Georgia...
186
00:12:59,634 --> 00:13:05,839
The hope is that all the
trouble I've known will be gone.
187
00:13:05,841 --> 00:13:12,512
2, 4, 6, 8, we don't wanna integrate!
188
00:13:12,514 --> 00:13:16,950
I will no longer be
held down by this notion
189
00:13:16,952 --> 00:13:19,219
held against my skin and my hair.
190
00:13:33,735 --> 00:13:39,239
More literally, I can get work
because it's growing so fast here.
191
00:13:39,241 --> 00:13:40,807
And I can buy a house,
192
00:13:40,809 --> 00:13:43,543
and nobody's ever gonna come take
it away from me because I'm black.
193
00:13:45,414 --> 00:13:48,481
This is something that you
didn't have in the deep South.
194
00:13:51,019 --> 00:13:55,388
The Simpsons are from Rodessa, Louisiana.
195
00:13:55,390 --> 00:13:59,426
My parents and his parents,
they grew up on a 200-acre farm.
196
00:13:59,428 --> 00:14:03,396
Although they had land, there was
no opportunity for people of color,
197
00:14:03,398 --> 00:14:06,099
so everybody "got out
of Dodge", as they say.
198
00:14:07,669 --> 00:14:11,137
O.J. and I were born
in San Francisco in '47.
199
00:14:13,942 --> 00:14:15,175
He had aspirations.
200
00:14:16,511 --> 00:14:21,047
He knew that he wanted to
better his circumstances,
201
00:14:21,049 --> 00:14:26,052
and LA was the place to do that.
202
00:14:26,054 --> 00:14:28,354
I moved out here looking
for opportunities.
203
00:14:28,356 --> 00:14:31,558
My grandmother gave me
67 dollars for a ticket,
204
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,627
and my mother gave me 65 dollars to spend,
205
00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:37,397
and I got on a plane, one-way ticket.
206
00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:39,966
If I had the money, I
would've gone back home,
207
00:14:39,968 --> 00:14:43,136
'cause it was very, very
troubling once I got out here.
208
00:14:43,138 --> 00:14:47,273
Racism out here was as stark
as it was in Jim Crow South.
209
00:14:51,746 --> 00:14:57,484
You don't really have any more
power out here than you had there.
210
00:14:57,486 --> 00:15:02,288
Everybody was always
conscious of the police.
211
00:15:03,892 --> 00:15:05,258
You a friend of Jack Grant's?
212
00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:06,126
Why?
213
00:15:06,127 --> 00:15:06,993
Jack Grant a friend of yours?
214
00:15:06,995 --> 00:15:08,161
I'm not gonna tell ya.
215
00:15:08,163 --> 00:15:11,397
I grew up watching the Los
Angeles Police Department.
216
00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:15,635
They just were so sharp and
professional all the time,
217
00:15:15,637 --> 00:15:18,004
if you watched things that depicted them.
218
00:15:18,006 --> 00:15:19,672
I'm Lieutenant Moore of the
Los Angeles Police Department.
219
00:15:19,674 --> 00:15:21,174
Hell, no, we won't go.
220
00:15:21,176 --> 00:15:23,176
If you do not leave
now, you will be arrested
221
00:15:23,178 --> 00:15:26,279
for violation of section 602-J.
222
00:15:26,281 --> 00:15:28,181
They were just always squared away.
223
00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,486
The institutional
culture was really clear.
224
00:15:33,488 --> 00:15:37,357
We expected you to be the best,
we expected you to be professional.
225
00:15:37,359 --> 00:15:40,126
It's not like it was in the '30s and '40s.
226
00:15:40,128 --> 00:15:42,662
Police officers don't take bribes.
227
00:15:42,664 --> 00:15:48,101
There's none of that stuff, that
had been cleaned up by Chief Parker.
228
00:15:48,103 --> 00:15:51,004
Chief Parker turned a very
corrupt police department
229
00:15:51,006 --> 00:15:54,774
into what was viewed as a
very honest police department,
230
00:15:54,776 --> 00:15:58,178
but with that he brought a
level of being untouchable.
231
00:16:00,448 --> 00:16:03,550
Everything at the
police academy was white,
232
00:16:03,552 --> 00:16:07,187
in the sense of command staff,
officers, all the trainers were white.
233
00:16:09,457 --> 00:16:10,890
Bill Parker was reputed
234
00:16:10,892 --> 00:16:14,294
to have actually recruited police
officers from the Klan rallies,
235
00:16:17,465 --> 00:16:22,702
I think he, at minimum,
was racially insensitive,
236
00:16:22,704 --> 00:16:25,805
at maximum, he was racist.
237
00:16:27,676 --> 00:16:31,311
Police officers under Bill Parker
would respond to a radio call,
238
00:16:31,313 --> 00:16:34,347
they would go snatch the
person who was causing trouble,
239
00:16:34,349 --> 00:16:35,982
put 'em in the car,
take 'em out and leave.
240
00:16:35,984 --> 00:16:37,984
So their interaction with the community
241
00:16:37,986 --> 00:16:42,222
was almost entirely based on apprehension,
242
00:16:42,224 --> 00:16:45,592
and that's where the notion of
an occupying army comes from.
243
00:16:48,697 --> 00:16:51,431
Just getting tired of being pushed
around by you white people, that's all.
244
00:16:51,433 --> 00:16:54,667
You stoppin' us on the
street, kickin' down the doors,
245
00:16:54,669 --> 00:16:57,337
takin' down to the police station,
you're kicking our teeth in.
246
00:16:57,339 --> 00:17:01,608
Well, he took me in the car and,
uh, he just started getting on me.
247
00:17:01,610 --> 00:17:02,709
But was there a fight?
248
00:17:02,711 --> 00:17:06,112
How can I fight with my hands stuck?
249
00:17:06,114 --> 00:17:10,750
The complaint that you hear
everywhere is that the negro
250
00:17:10,752 --> 00:17:13,119
is not getting the same treatment
from the police as the...
251
00:17:13,121 --> 00:17:15,455
Well, I know, but I'm getting
a little bit weary of that,
252
00:17:15,457 --> 00:17:17,257
and I think perhaps the best thing to do
253
00:17:17,259 --> 00:17:19,559
is just to pull the
police out of the area.
254
00:17:19,561 --> 00:17:21,294
I've offered to do that again and again,
255
00:17:21,296 --> 00:17:22,929
but you see how quick they
are to come back and say,
256
00:17:22,931 --> 00:17:24,297
"We can't afford to have that."
257
00:17:30,105 --> 00:17:32,305
The negroes are stepping
up, they're waking up,
258
00:17:32,307 --> 00:17:35,708
and they're gonna do something
about what the white man did to them.
259
00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:39,946
I'm not afraid of bloodshed. If I
have to die for my rights, I will.
260
00:17:42,083 --> 00:17:47,320
54 square miles in the middle of
the nation's third-largest city.
261
00:17:47,322 --> 00:17:50,256
No one expected the
flashpoint of discontent to be
262
00:17:50,258 --> 00:17:54,627
in the sprawling, bungalow'd
450 square miles of Los Angeles.
263
00:17:57,065 --> 00:17:59,832
This is when a fuse was lighted.
264
00:17:59,834 --> 00:18:02,969
It began with the arrest by white
officers of two young negroes,
265
00:18:02,971 --> 00:18:06,572
one on a charge of drunk
driving, the other his brother.
266
00:18:06,574 --> 00:18:08,007
Their mother came to the scene.
267
00:18:08,009 --> 00:18:09,676
There was an argument,
there was a scuffle.
268
00:18:09,678 --> 00:18:12,645
By then, a crowd of several
hundred negroes had gathered.
269
00:18:12,647 --> 00:18:16,015
The story of police brutality
quickly spread through the community.
270
00:18:27,929 --> 00:18:29,996
The Watts riots. I was 10 years old, man.
271
00:18:39,607 --> 00:18:41,774
It was summer, it was hot,
272
00:18:41,776 --> 00:18:45,945
and white policemen had been
treating us like shit forever.
273
00:18:45,947 --> 00:18:49,115
And we were gonna respond.
274
00:18:53,388 --> 00:18:57,190
The police in their idiocy
responded with too much force
275
00:18:57,192 --> 00:19:00,960
and not enough understanding,
and it mushroomed.
276
00:19:06,067 --> 00:19:07,734
I was nervous.
277
00:19:07,736 --> 00:19:09,802
There were people
screaming, people shooting,
278
00:19:09,804 --> 00:19:12,305
people lying on the ground, not moving.
279
00:19:12,307 --> 00:19:15,041
The police, four-deep in a
car, all holding up shotguns.
280
00:19:17,979 --> 00:19:22,014
The Watts riot was one of the
first major events in the city of LA
281
00:19:22,016 --> 00:19:24,350
that was caught on TV.
282
00:19:24,352 --> 00:19:28,821
People who grew up looking at those
kinds of activities in the South,
283
00:19:28,823 --> 00:19:32,592
they thought that's where
all of the racial divide was.
284
00:19:32,594 --> 00:19:35,328
The only thing was missing
in LA, there weren't dogs.
285
00:19:35,330 --> 00:19:38,231
Hands up there. Get 'em up.
Get your hands up. Let's go.
286
00:19:43,671 --> 00:19:46,873
I got home and my father was
sitting there, upset, and he says,
287
00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:48,574
"You know, Walter,
they're out there, riot."
288
00:19:50,845 --> 00:19:55,415
And he says, "I wanna do that.
I feel that. I feel that anger.
289
00:19:57,452 --> 00:20:01,020
I know it's wrong, so I
can't do it. But I want to."
290
00:20:09,063 --> 00:20:10,696
I didn't think it was a big deal.
291
00:20:10,698 --> 00:20:13,132
I didn't think these people
were, quote, "persecuted".
292
00:20:13,134 --> 00:20:17,069
I didn't think these people had
any problem. Why were they rioting?
293
00:20:17,071 --> 00:20:19,605
I was as naïve as any other white person.
294
00:20:19,607 --> 00:20:24,010
This area is being closed.
Please go in your homes.
295
00:20:27,315 --> 00:20:29,549
The question came down from
white people after Watts.
296
00:20:29,551 --> 00:20:32,718
They said, "Do most black
people feel like this?"
297
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,454
And the answer came back,
298
00:20:34,456 --> 00:20:38,658
"About 99 percent of them feel like
this. And one percent are really mad."
299
00:20:40,462 --> 00:20:43,296
In creating this situation,
where was the failure?
300
00:20:43,298 --> 00:20:45,898
On the part of the city,
the county, the schools?
301
00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:49,168
This, sir, I think, is one of
the difficulties in meeting this,
302
00:20:49,170 --> 00:20:52,638
is that we're trying to find a failure
other than the people themselves.
303
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,408
They came in and...
and flooded a community
304
00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:57,310
that wasn't prepared to meet them.
305
00:20:57,312 --> 00:20:59,846
We didn't ask these people to come here.
306
00:21:01,182 --> 00:21:04,116
So long as this stubborn
attitude is maintained,
307
00:21:04,118 --> 00:21:06,652
I can only see the situation worsening.
308
00:21:09,257 --> 00:21:14,126
I can still smell the
smoulderings of that event.
309
00:21:14,128 --> 00:21:19,832
There was nervousness all over the place
310
00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:26,205
that would ultimately translate into
traumatizing an entire community.
311
00:21:26,207 --> 00:21:29,642
Better to make all the rioting stop.
312
00:21:29,644 --> 00:21:32,445
I don't think it'll ever stop, really.
313
00:21:32,447 --> 00:21:33,746
Ever?
314
00:21:35,049 --> 00:21:41,053
And the institution that gave
life to O.J. Simpson's image
315
00:21:41,055 --> 00:21:44,857
and presence nationally
and beyond was located
316
00:21:44,859 --> 00:21:48,394
right in the middle of
that very same neighborhood.
317
00:21:50,164 --> 00:21:56,536
USC was an isolated, beautiful
school right next to the LA Coliseum
318
00:21:56,538 --> 00:22:02,875
and on the other side were the
slums of LA. Basically Watts.
319
00:22:06,014 --> 00:22:11,083
Everyone was warned not to go
down on that side of the Coliseum.
320
00:22:13,888 --> 00:22:16,389
At the University of Southern California,
321
00:22:16,391 --> 00:22:18,724
they have a living
legend, and at homecoming,
322
00:22:18,726 --> 00:22:21,193
that's all they wanna talk about.
323
00:22:21,195 --> 00:22:24,397
The name of the legend is O.J. Simpson.
324
00:22:24,399 --> 00:22:28,100
When you saw him on campus, it
was like, "Wow! There's O.J.!"
325
00:22:28,102 --> 00:22:31,070
And you might go up and wave
and say, "Way to go, O.J.,"
326
00:22:31,072 --> 00:22:32,838
and he'd give you a big smile,
327
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,941
and you felt like you
were a million dollars.
328
00:22:34,943 --> 00:22:37,743
You felt fantastic. "O.J.
Simpson said "hi" to me!"
329
00:22:37,745 --> 00:22:38,911
Yeah.
330
00:22:38,913 --> 00:22:39,912
Hey, O.J., how are ya? How's it... ?
331
00:22:39,914 --> 00:22:41,247
Working hard.
332
00:22:41,249 --> 00:22:43,182
I hope you're gonna be smiling Saturday.
333
00:22:43,184 --> 00:22:47,286
Yeah, in about four
days or five. I plan to.
334
00:22:47,288 --> 00:22:51,223
For most of the USC students,
I wager, O.J. Simpson
335
00:22:51,225 --> 00:22:55,962
was the first African-American
they really got to see and talk to.
336
00:22:55,964 --> 00:22:58,030
Because most of them didn't
know African-Americans at all,
337
00:22:58,032 --> 00:22:59,899
or any person of color.
338
00:22:59,901 --> 00:23:02,401
We are! SC!
339
00:23:02,403 --> 00:23:04,370
We are! SC!
340
00:23:04,372 --> 00:23:09,609
USC was a football school,
it was a Hollywood school,
341
00:23:09,611 --> 00:23:13,045
it was glamour and glitz,
342
00:23:13,047 --> 00:23:16,482
it was not the University
of California at Berkeley.
343
00:23:16,484 --> 00:23:18,651
It was not San Jose State.
344
00:23:18,653 --> 00:23:21,921
Fight, fight, fight, fight!
345
00:23:21,923 --> 00:23:26,626
It was above and beyond
reach of the movement.
346
00:23:30,498 --> 00:23:38,838
O.J. went to USC in 1967, so he's
plucked out of the black community,
347
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:46,479
out of black consciousness, and he's
submerged in an all-white university.
348
00:23:46,481 --> 00:23:49,749
And I say this, and I
don't say it facetiously,
349
00:23:49,751 --> 00:23:57,056
but he is seduced by white society.
350
00:24:01,295 --> 00:24:06,932
USC controls TV,
Hollywood, banking, finance,
351
00:24:06,934 --> 00:24:09,268
law and medicine in Los Angeles.
352
00:24:11,372 --> 00:24:15,207
The alumni are very powerful,
and their whole existence
353
00:24:15,209 --> 00:24:18,944
revolves around the success
of the football team.
354
00:24:18,946 --> 00:24:21,447
And O.J. is leading them to glory.
355
00:24:24,185 --> 00:24:28,888
It was that type of school with
that type of power and control
356
00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:31,123
that could be directed towards him.
357
00:24:35,196 --> 00:24:37,196
The black man has been brainwashed,
358
00:24:37,198 --> 00:24:39,131
and it's time for him to
learn something about himself.
359
00:24:40,334 --> 00:24:42,968
The word "black" is a part of the times.
360
00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:46,672
We are succumbing to the demands
of the black man in the street
361
00:24:46,674 --> 00:24:51,877
who says that the negro is
dead and the black man is alive.
362
00:24:51,879 --> 00:24:55,381
It was a condition that I was born into;
363
00:24:55,383 --> 00:24:58,451
the unfairness, the racism, the hatred,
364
00:25:00,154 --> 00:25:05,124
the poverty that we had in this country.
365
00:25:07,061 --> 00:25:10,796
You can't balance that
with being a football hero.
366
00:25:18,439 --> 00:25:23,609
In the '60s, societal issues were
pushing their way into sports.
367
00:25:26,914 --> 00:25:30,416
It has been said that
I have two alternatives,
368
00:25:30,418 --> 00:25:34,019
either go to jail or go to the army.
369
00:25:34,021 --> 00:25:38,090
There was this engagement of the athlete.
370
00:25:38,092 --> 00:25:41,227
Some major athletes stood up.
371
00:25:41,229 --> 00:25:44,363
Nine top negro athletes
meet with Cassius Clay
372
00:25:44,365 --> 00:25:46,699
to discuss his anti-draft stand.
373
00:25:46,701 --> 00:25:49,101
They include Bill Russell, Lou Alcindor,
374
00:25:49,103 --> 00:25:51,937
and former pro-footballer Jimmy Brown.
375
00:25:54,709 --> 00:25:58,544
Every man in that room was a soldier.
376
00:25:58,546 --> 00:26:01,413
Every man in that room, for
nothing other than his beliefs
377
00:26:01,415 --> 00:26:06,118
and backing another brother,
felt that he should be there
378
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,320
and the hell with the consequences.
379
00:26:10,658 --> 00:26:16,495
Jim Brown, Bill Russell,
Ali, for sure, were race men.
380
00:26:16,497 --> 00:26:19,598
They stood up for principle
381
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,469
and damaged their
commercial possibilities.
382
00:26:23,471 --> 00:26:26,939
They pointed to the discrimination,
383
00:26:26,941 --> 00:26:30,776
not only of all blacks,
but of black athletes,
384
00:26:30,778 --> 00:26:35,014
of people who were supposedly
given entitlement in America.
385
00:26:38,186 --> 00:26:42,354
At the time you were supposed
to be satisfied. Or grateful.
386
00:26:43,925 --> 00:26:46,659
Why would someone that's making money
387
00:26:46,661 --> 00:26:49,862
and cheered by 80,000
people be complaining?
388
00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:59,205
For me, it was really a matter
of fairness and what is correct.
389
00:26:59,207 --> 00:27:03,542
The United States has
hypocritically put itself up
390
00:27:03,544 --> 00:27:07,646
as the leader of the free world,
while right here in this country
391
00:27:07,648 --> 00:27:12,318
there are 22 million black
people who are catching more hell
392
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,821
than anyone in any communist
country ever dreamed of.
393
00:27:15,823 --> 00:27:21,060
Black men and women athletes,
professional and amateur,
394
00:27:21,062 --> 00:27:25,297
have unanimously voted to
fully endorse and participate
395
00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:30,102
in a boycott of the World
Olympic Games in 1968.
396
00:27:36,644 --> 00:27:38,711
The movement on the West Coast recently
397
00:27:38,713 --> 00:27:42,681
in which Lou Alcindor supposedly said
he might not play in the Olympics.
398
00:27:42,683 --> 00:27:44,316
What are your thoughts?
399
00:27:44,318 --> 00:27:47,853
Well, um... Well, this is his prerogative.
400
00:27:47,855 --> 00:27:51,190
I'm not too well
enlightened on the situation.
401
00:27:51,192 --> 00:27:53,325
I don't know exactly what
they're trying to do, you know.
402
00:27:56,364 --> 00:28:00,432
The whole idea behind the
Olympic Project for Human Rights
403
00:28:00,434 --> 00:28:05,671
was to escalate the relationship
between elite athletes
404
00:28:05,673 --> 00:28:10,109
and the civil rights movement.
405
00:28:10,111 --> 00:28:15,214
Let me say that I absolutely
support this boycott.
406
00:28:15,216 --> 00:28:20,219
I would also like to commend
the outstanding athletes
407
00:28:20,221 --> 00:28:24,423
who have the courage to make it
clear that they will not participate
408
00:28:24,425 --> 00:28:30,629
unless something is done about
these terrible evils and injustices.
409
00:28:30,631 --> 00:28:33,365
O.J. was approached because he was
410
00:28:33,367 --> 00:28:36,869
the biggest name in collegiate
athletics at that time.
411
00:28:39,307 --> 00:28:42,441
He was also a world
record-holding track star.
412
00:28:42,443 --> 00:28:43,309
That's O.J. Simpson...
413
00:28:43,311 --> 00:28:46,745
So here we got two for one.
414
00:28:46,747 --> 00:28:49,448
... and Lennox Miller...
415
00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:53,319
When I asked him, I said we
were trying to get black athletes
416
00:28:53,321 --> 00:28:56,956
to understand they have a role in
the current civil rights movement,
417
00:28:56,958 --> 00:29:00,826
his response was, "I'm
not black. I'm O.J."
418
00:29:00,828 --> 00:29:03,929
What they think is right, I guess,
they must follow their beliefs.
419
00:29:03,931 --> 00:29:06,565
Well, uh, right now I don't
wanna be involved in it, because,
420
00:29:06,567 --> 00:29:09,435
uh, I'm not in track. You know,
I'm running track, but when it...
421
00:29:09,437 --> 00:29:11,637
when it comes to Olympic
time, I'll be in football,
422
00:29:11,639 --> 00:29:14,573
so I have no comment on the matter.
423
00:29:14,575 --> 00:29:20,279
O.J. was saying, "I want to be
judged not by the color of my skin,
424
00:29:20,281 --> 00:29:23,949
I want to be judged by
the content of my character
425
00:29:23,951 --> 00:29:27,753
and. Most of all, the
caliber of my competence.
426
00:29:27,755 --> 00:29:30,789
I think I'm the greatest football
player that this country's ever seen.
427
00:29:30,791 --> 00:29:32,391
That's all I wanna be judged by.
428
00:29:33,761 --> 00:29:37,930
Don't tell me I've gotta
do this because I'm black."
429
00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:46,772
I think football is a great sport.
It teaches a person an awful lot.
430
00:29:46,774 --> 00:29:50,509
I would say there's less prejudice in
sports than any other field anywhere,
431
00:29:50,511 --> 00:29:54,046
because, uh, it just... you're
accepted as what you are,
432
00:29:54,048 --> 00:29:56,015
you know, an athlete and what you can do,
433
00:29:56,017 --> 00:29:57,282
and I think this is good for anyone.
434
00:30:08,195 --> 00:30:12,965
Simpson rushed for 1709 yards in 1968,
435
00:30:12,967 --> 00:30:15,167
more than any other back in history.
436
00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:19,304
His durability is almost as
legendary as his speed and moves.
437
00:30:19,306 --> 00:30:22,474
Simpson scored 22 touchdowns.
438
00:30:22,476 --> 00:30:28,914
He carried a record 355 times and
proved himself nearly indestructible.
439
00:30:35,856 --> 00:30:38,891
He was in a different
world than the rest of us.
440
00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:49,068
There was an O.J. cult. It was
building, building, building.
441
00:30:50,738 --> 00:30:54,873
When you bring a student athlete in
there on a visit, they wanna see O.J.
442
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:59,945
The community leaders, for speaking
engagements, they wanted O.J.
443
00:30:59,947 --> 00:31:05,350
They wanted a role model. They
wanted the young black kids to see.
444
00:31:05,352 --> 00:31:09,354
When I was 16 years old, I made an
all-star team down in Los Angeles
445
00:31:09,356 --> 00:31:12,391
and they had a banquet,
and while we were eating,
446
00:31:12,393 --> 00:31:13,892
the guy who was running
the whole show, he says,
447
00:31:13,894 --> 00:31:17,729
"Okay, I wanna introduce the guest
speaker tonight, O.J. Simpson."
448
00:31:17,731 --> 00:31:22,968
And I was like, "Wow!" I said,
"O.J.'s here. This is unbelievable."
449
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:25,137
O.J., when he walked up, he said,
450
00:31:25,139 --> 00:31:27,706
"First of all, before I
start, is Ron Shipp here?"
451
00:31:27,708 --> 00:31:31,777
I put my hand up. I was like,
"Is this... ? Is this for real?"
452
00:31:31,779 --> 00:31:36,615
And he goes, "Are you the brother
of Michael Shipp?" And I say, "Yes."
453
00:31:36,617 --> 00:31:39,118
And he goes, "Hey, everybody,
I just wanna tell you about,
454
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,953
uh, Michael Shipp, his brother,
455
00:31:40,955 --> 00:31:42,788
we played against each
other, he's a great guy,
456
00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:46,125
so on and so, Ron, if you're anything
like your brother, you know... "
457
00:31:46,127 --> 00:31:50,662
and, like, he made me an
instant hero in that room.
458
00:31:50,664 --> 00:31:52,264
I mean, I fell in love
with the guy right then.
459
00:31:52,266 --> 00:31:56,135
This is the most incredible human being.
460
00:32:00,107 --> 00:32:05,010
Here is the star of our show, Bob Hope.
461
00:32:10,117 --> 00:32:14,186
I don't have to tell you it's
a pleasure to be here at OJU.
462
00:32:16,757 --> 00:32:19,591
But it's wonderful to be here at USC.
463
00:32:19,593 --> 00:32:21,960
You haven't had a riot, a
demonstration or even a sit in.
464
00:32:21,962 --> 00:32:23,595
Are you sure this is a college?
465
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,335
I have some very sad news for all of you.
466
00:32:30,337 --> 00:32:35,841
Martin Luther King was shot and
was killed tonight in Memphis.
467
00:32:35,843 --> 00:32:37,976
I tried to talk to O.J. before the show,
468
00:32:37,978 --> 00:32:40,179
but I guess he has something on his mind.
469
00:32:40,181 --> 00:32:44,616
He kept referring to me as Mr. Heisman.
470
00:32:44,618 --> 00:32:49,087
RFK, RFK, RFK!
471
00:33:00,701 --> 00:33:03,235
Pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs!
472
00:33:06,507 --> 00:33:08,507
O.J., you've had quite a season.
473
00:33:08,509 --> 00:33:10,509
Well, I have gained a few yards.
474
00:33:10,511 --> 00:33:15,380
A few yards? You've gobbled up
more real estate than Howard Hughes.
475
00:33:15,382 --> 00:33:18,550
When you think of 1968,
what do you think of?
476
00:33:22,223 --> 00:33:27,926
1968, I think of winning all
the games, getting O.J. famous,
477
00:33:27,928 --> 00:33:31,263
everybody on campus thinking
it's the greatest thing on earth.
478
00:33:31,265 --> 00:33:35,000
That's all we thought about.
There was nothing else going on.
479
00:33:42,276 --> 00:33:44,676
Several European
newspapers today condemned
480
00:33:44,678 --> 00:33:47,412
the International Olympic
Committee for sending home
481
00:33:47,414 --> 00:33:50,515
two militant negro athletes
from the United States.
482
00:33:50,517 --> 00:33:53,085
The two, Tommie Smith and John Carlos,
483
00:33:53,087 --> 00:33:56,088
who ran first and third
in the 200-meter dash,
484
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:59,424
were banished after they raised
clenched fists in black gloves
485
00:33:59,426 --> 00:34:01,593
during the playing of
The Star Spangled Banner.
486
00:34:01,595 --> 00:34:05,230
Uh, with your bad self!
487
00:34:05,232 --> 00:34:07,466
Say it loud!
488
00:34:07,468 --> 00:34:09,067
I'm black, and I'm proud!
489
00:34:09,069 --> 00:34:11,820
I didn't believe in the national anthem,
490
00:34:11,821 --> 00:34:14,572
but I stood up anyway, because
I didn't want no static,
491
00:34:14,575 --> 00:34:15,607
but those days are gone.
492
00:34:15,609 --> 00:34:17,609
Right on.
493
00:34:17,611 --> 00:34:21,113
Brother Tommie Smith, Brother Johnny
Carlos and Brother Harry Edwards
494
00:34:21,115 --> 00:34:23,115
join the ranks of Brother Muhammed Ali,
495
00:34:23,117 --> 00:34:25,617
because we want black people
who are concerned with us first
496
00:34:25,619 --> 00:34:27,286
and with sports second.
497
00:34:27,288 --> 00:34:28,687
Yeah!
498
00:34:30,291 --> 00:34:31,556
Say it loud!
499
00:34:31,558 --> 00:34:33,625
I'm black, and I'm proud!
500
00:34:35,896 --> 00:34:40,499
At about, uh, 10 o'clock this
morning, we were notified that,
501
00:34:40,501 --> 00:34:44,002
uh, a Heisman Trophy
winner comes back to USC
502
00:34:44,004 --> 00:34:47,306
and, as you all know, it's O.J. Simpson.
503
00:34:50,644 --> 00:34:54,846
Thank you. Well, I... I
don't know quite what to say.
504
00:34:54,848 --> 00:34:57,849
I'm, uh, certainly
proud, and I'm very happy,
505
00:34:57,851 --> 00:35:00,619
and I'm... I'm taking it as a team
award and all the other guys did as much
506
00:35:00,621 --> 00:35:03,021
if not more than I do,
for me to get the award,
507
00:35:03,023 --> 00:35:04,356
and I'll be glad to see all the guys,
508
00:35:04,358 --> 00:35:05,924
'cause I know they're
just as happy as I am.
509
00:35:08,128 --> 00:35:11,997
As you can see, the Heisman
Trophy award ceremony is over,
510
00:35:11,999 --> 00:35:16,201
and O.J. Simpson, number 32, the
University of Southern California,
511
00:35:16,203 --> 00:35:18,036
has been beset by autograph hounds.
512
00:35:18,038 --> 00:35:21,673
Mrs. Simpson, I wonder if you'd
be good enough to come over.
513
00:35:21,675 --> 00:35:25,610
Your tears only registered your
pride, and it's a very great pride,
514
00:35:25,612 --> 00:35:28,780
and you should enjoy it, because
this is a very great young man.
515
00:35:28,782 --> 00:35:34,386
O.J., the congratulations of all of
us to you for a truly remarkable season
516
00:35:34,388 --> 00:35:37,389
and more importantly for
your impeccable character.
517
00:35:37,391 --> 00:35:39,524
Thank you, Mr. Cosell.
518
00:35:39,526 --> 00:35:41,526
So that's the story.
519
00:35:41,528 --> 00:35:45,664
The Heisman award proceedings,
number 32, O.J. Simpson.
520
00:35:45,666 --> 00:35:50,969
Perhaps the greatest running back
in the history of college football.
521
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:59,411
When I met him, I was
quite taken with him.
522
00:35:59,413 --> 00:36:04,182
This is kind of a warm June night in 1969.
523
00:36:04,184 --> 00:36:08,987
Howard Cosell took O.J.
and me to Bachelors III,
524
00:36:08,989 --> 00:36:13,392
which was Joe Namath's bar.
525
00:36:13,394 --> 00:36:19,064
He was telling a story about being
at a teammate's wedding with his wife
526
00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:24,035
sitting at a table of
mostly, as he said, negroes,
527
00:36:24,037 --> 00:36:28,573
and you overheard a white
woman at the next table saying,
528
00:36:28,575 --> 00:36:33,345
"Look, there's O.J. sitting
with all those niggers."
529
00:36:33,347 --> 00:36:38,717
And I remember in my
naiveté, saying to O.J.,
530
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,254
"Gee, wow, that must have
been terrible for you."
531
00:36:42,256 --> 00:36:47,058
"No, that was great. Don't you understand?
532
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:54,699
She knew that I wasn't
black. She saw me as O.J."
533
00:36:54,701 --> 00:36:59,104
And... And really, at that moment,
um, I thought he was fucked.
534
00:37:01,775 --> 00:37:04,776
Our first guest today is one of the
greatest running backs I've ever seen.
535
00:37:04,778 --> 00:37:07,879
I met him when he was still in
college at Southern California,
536
00:37:07,881 --> 00:37:10,549
and he's not only a hell of a
football player, he's a hell of a guy.
537
00:37:10,551 --> 00:37:13,218
The winner of the Heisman trophy,
the finest college football player
538
00:37:13,220 --> 00:37:14,753
in the country last year,
539
00:37:14,755 --> 00:37:17,255
the Buffalo Bills' great
rookie, O.J. Simpson.
540
00:37:18,125 --> 00:37:20,659
Thank you, Joe.
541
00:37:20,661 --> 00:37:23,462
Now, with all that money you
got for signing with Buffalo,
542
00:37:23,464 --> 00:37:26,164
I wanna know if you're gonna help
me out in some business interests.
543
00:37:27,234 --> 00:37:28,433
How's business?
544
00:37:28,435 --> 00:37:30,001
Oh, it's pretty good.
545
00:37:30,003 --> 00:37:33,004
I, uh, I'm under contract with... I
don't know if I can say it. I'm here.
546
00:37:33,006 --> 00:37:34,406
Yeah.
547
00:37:34,408 --> 00:37:36,174
Well, I'm under contract
with Chevrolet and RC Cola,
548
00:37:36,176 --> 00:37:38,410
and I'm working with,
um... What network is it?
549
00:37:40,113 --> 00:37:41,296
ABC.
550
00:37:41,297 --> 00:37:42,480
And, uh, they're keeping me pretty busy.
551
00:37:47,588 --> 00:37:49,321
The pitch to Chevrolet was
552
00:37:49,323 --> 00:37:52,757
that this would be the first
national black spokesman.
553
00:37:52,759 --> 00:37:55,460
You've got a black market.
554
00:37:55,462 --> 00:37:59,297
He's not gonna be a negative
in any way to the white market,
555
00:37:59,299 --> 00:38:03,335
but you're gonna get a lot of
brownie points just for stepping up.
556
00:38:03,337 --> 00:38:07,873
O.J.? It's a real satisfaction
to me to be able to introduce
557
00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:09,374
a great ballplayer like you
558
00:38:09,376 --> 00:38:11,776
to an equally great group
of Chevrolet salesmen.
559
00:38:11,778 --> 00:38:13,678
My pleasure, Chris.
560
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,382
At the time, athlete endorsements
were virtually non-existent.
561
00:38:17,384 --> 00:38:22,053
And for them to sign him, a
black man, a football player,
562
00:38:22,055 --> 00:38:23,688
was ground-breaking.
563
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:25,557
They tell me that the
Chevrolet selling team
564
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,326
is the greatest in the
country. I believe that.
565
00:38:28,328 --> 00:38:29,794
That's what made perfect sense.
566
00:38:29,796 --> 00:38:34,366
O.J. Simpson was the
counterrevolutionary athlete.
567
00:38:34,368 --> 00:38:40,805
White America is looking for
somebody who can erase the threat
568
00:38:40,807 --> 00:38:45,310
of these seemingly angry
principled black athletes
569
00:38:45,312 --> 00:38:49,414
who are going to create
a revolution in sports.
570
00:38:49,416 --> 00:38:53,351
O.J. made people feel good.
571
00:38:53,353 --> 00:38:56,655
It was clear once you
spent some time with O.J.
572
00:38:56,657 --> 00:39:00,191
that the Carlos, you know, fist
pump, and those kinds of, uh,
573
00:39:00,193 --> 00:39:04,663
situations were not gonna be, you
know, present in... in dealing with him.
574
00:39:04,665 --> 00:39:09,501
He just gave you that confidence that
he understood what this was about.
575
00:39:09,503 --> 00:39:14,339
I'd like to welcome a new member
of the ABC sports commentary staff.
576
00:39:14,341 --> 00:39:16,608
It is O.J. Simpson.
577
00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:19,911
Uh, well, Jim, I'll be doing
basically sports work with the, uh,
578
00:39:19,913 --> 00:39:23,782
ABC radio networks and the TV
nextworks... networks. I hope...
579
00:39:23,784 --> 00:39:27,686
O.J. was very, very rough and needed
a lot of coaching in the early years.
580
00:39:27,688 --> 00:39:30,455
It's pretty interesting, and
I'm really looking forward to it.
581
00:39:30,457 --> 00:39:34,259
We obviously wanted him to be
able to speak proper English
582
00:39:34,261 --> 00:39:38,129
and eliminate slang, and he
didn't ever take offense at that.
583
00:39:38,131 --> 00:39:41,166
It was, "Thank you." You
know? "Okay, I got it."
584
00:39:42,736 --> 00:39:49,074
He realized that his Horatio
Alger story was based on
585
00:39:49,076 --> 00:39:53,011
him being a pleasing
person to white people.
586
00:39:54,781 --> 00:39:59,217
I really had the sense that he
was enormously self-conscious
587
00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:03,321
of who he was and who he
needed to be to get over.
588
00:40:03,323 --> 00:40:09,260
That there was this character,
O.J., which he was creating.
589
00:40:09,262 --> 00:40:11,262
What does O.J. stand for?
590
00:40:11,264 --> 00:40:12,497
Oh, Joe.
591
00:40:13,433 --> 00:40:14,332
Come on, tell it. Tell me.
592
00:40:14,334 --> 00:40:16,101
Orenthal James Simpson.
593
00:40:16,103 --> 00:40:16,968
Good.
594
00:40:18,338 --> 00:40:19,337
Now, that's a nice name, Orenthal.
595
00:40:19,339 --> 00:40:20,472
Yeah.
596
00:40:21,274 --> 00:40:22,474
It's a good name.
597
00:40:22,476 --> 00:40:24,643
You... You never got in any
arguments over that, did ya?
598
00:40:24,645 --> 00:40:27,445
No, no, I had, uh... I had some pretty
good friends, pretty big friends,
599
00:40:27,447 --> 00:40:29,280
and they were the only guys
who could tease me about it.
600
00:40:29,282 --> 00:40:32,417
Well, in your movie career,
uh, motion picture industry,
601
00:40:32,419 --> 00:40:33,585
are they gonna call you
Orenthal James or... ?
602
00:40:33,587 --> 00:40:34,352
They're gonna call me O.J.
603
00:40:35,756 --> 00:40:41,826
I was taken by O.J. as a character,
as somebody to write about,
604
00:40:41,828 --> 00:40:48,433
that somebody was so self-aware
and so obviously ambitious.
605
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:54,105
The question in my mind
then and still now is
606
00:40:54,107 --> 00:40:56,374
where did this imagination come from?
607
00:40:56,376 --> 00:41:02,013
Where did he begin to write
this novel about O.J. Simpson?
608
00:41:17,731 --> 00:41:21,666
Everybody looks at San Francisco
now, "Oh, it's this cosmopolitan...
609
00:41:21,668 --> 00:41:24,069
Oh, you know, everybody
loves everybody gooshy goosh."
610
00:41:24,071 --> 00:41:26,805
It's not. It wasn't like that, man.
611
00:41:31,144 --> 00:41:34,879
Potrero Hill was
predominantly African-American.
612
00:41:34,881 --> 00:41:38,983
Public housing, the old
barracks from the navy.
613
00:41:38,985 --> 00:41:43,388
When the navy left, the city
turned 'em into low-income housing.
614
00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:44,956
It was a rough area.
615
00:41:49,229 --> 00:41:51,496
The Simpsons lived at
the top of a big hill.
616
00:41:51,498 --> 00:41:55,233
Carmelita, his younger
sister Shirley had a room,
617
00:41:55,235 --> 00:41:57,402
and Melvin and O.J. had a room.
618
00:41:59,005 --> 00:42:00,939
We crawled around on the floor together
619
00:42:00,941 --> 00:42:04,442
before we ever learned how to walk.
620
00:42:04,444 --> 00:42:08,379
Four months apart. I'm born
in March, he's born in July.
621
00:42:08,381 --> 00:42:10,882
We'd spend a lot of time
at each other's house.
622
00:42:10,884 --> 00:42:14,452
We're a close-knit family.
623
00:42:14,454 --> 00:42:19,958
The mother worked at night, so they
were responsible for themselves,
624
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,060
and sometimes he would
open the refrigerator
625
00:42:22,062 --> 00:42:24,362
and there just wouldn't
be nothing in there,
626
00:42:24,364 --> 00:42:28,433
and I'd say, "Well, come on, let's
go to my house and eat dinner."
627
00:42:28,435 --> 00:42:32,737
O.J.'s mother, my aunt Eunice,
worked the graveyard shift
628
00:42:32,739 --> 00:42:35,373
at San Francisco General Hospital.
629
00:42:35,375 --> 00:42:37,976
She was a provider, she was steady,
630
00:42:37,978 --> 00:42:42,714
but if you're in a single-parent
situation, you know,
631
00:42:42,716 --> 00:42:44,449
there's never enough money.
632
00:42:47,053 --> 00:42:49,554
I mean, we were poor kids, you know.
633
00:42:49,556 --> 00:42:53,958
We would steal cars, we would
break into somebody's house,
634
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,595
take all the women's purses
and stuff like... You know.
635
00:42:57,597 --> 00:42:59,364
We would be called criminals.
636
00:43:01,301 --> 00:43:04,969
From the time we were 10 years
old, you know, we were hustlers.
637
00:43:04,971 --> 00:43:06,571
You know, you'd go to the
football game, scalp tickets,
638
00:43:06,573 --> 00:43:07,639
and everybody had their own technique.
639
00:43:07,641 --> 00:43:09,107
Yeah.
640
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:11,643
I would... I can recall crying
in front of a cat, you know.
641
00:43:11,645 --> 00:43:15,480
"Oh, I need it." "Please let
me have that ticket." You know?
642
00:43:17,017 --> 00:43:20,485
"I wanna see... I wanna see
Hugh McElhenny play," you know?
643
00:43:20,487 --> 00:43:22,320
Cats break down, give you the ticket,
644
00:43:22,322 --> 00:43:24,155
I would go on the other side
of the stadium and sell it.
645
00:43:24,157 --> 00:43:25,957
Why didn't I think of that?
646
00:43:29,196 --> 00:43:31,496
Did you ever see him in any fist fights?
647
00:43:31,498 --> 00:43:33,198
O.J. didn't fight.
648
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,199
No?
649
00:43:34,201 --> 00:43:35,633
No. O.J. was boisterous.
650
00:43:35,635 --> 00:43:38,770
When you say he was boisterous,
did you ever see him,
651
00:43:38,772 --> 00:43:42,307
uh, talk himself out of
a... a fight situation?
652
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:46,010
I've seen O.J. fight... Talk
himself out of a lot of situations.
653
00:43:53,987 --> 00:43:56,287
There was this one incident at school.
654
00:43:58,725 --> 00:44:04,362
Myself, Al Collins and O.J., we were
all in the bathroom shooting crap.
655
00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:11,870
We were cursing and talking
loud, and I was shaking the dice,
656
00:44:11,872 --> 00:44:19,244
and, all of a sudden, these big
wingtip shoes slide in the circle,
657
00:44:19,246 --> 00:44:23,047
and I looked up, and it was Coach McBride.
658
00:44:25,085 --> 00:44:26,684
We were all on the football team.
659
00:44:26,686 --> 00:44:32,156
We're like, "Okay, Mr. McBride,
we're busted. Let us go to class."
660
00:44:32,158 --> 00:44:37,128
He's like, "No." He's gonna take
us to the principal's office.
661
00:44:38,698 --> 00:44:43,434
O.J. stays in back of the
pack. I could hear him,
662
00:44:43,436 --> 00:44:48,106
"Oh, come on, Mr. McBride. You
know we're gonna be suspended."
663
00:44:48,108 --> 00:44:51,876
So we get in the principal's office.
664
00:44:51,878 --> 00:44:56,948
Coach McBride says, "I caught these
guys in the bathroom shooting dice."
665
00:44:56,950 --> 00:45:00,551
And then he turned and walked out.
666
00:45:00,553 --> 00:45:05,056
So O.J. turns and walks away.
667
00:45:05,058 --> 00:45:08,293
Dean Smith says,
"Simpson, where you going?"
668
00:45:08,295 --> 00:45:13,398
He says, "Oh, I was just helping
Mr. McBride bring these guys down."
669
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,702
And Dean Smith let him go.
670
00:45:28,048 --> 00:45:34,118
Self-preservation. It was
just that kind of smooth talk
671
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,289
that O.J. would do in
all kinds of situations.
672
00:45:39,592 --> 00:45:40,591
Do you think he was
shown a little preference
673
00:45:40,593 --> 00:45:41,326
because of his football ability?
674
00:45:41,328 --> 00:45:43,127
Oh, yes.
675
00:45:43,129 --> 00:45:46,831
You said you had seen Simpson talk
himself out of lots of situations.
676
00:45:46,833 --> 00:45:49,334
Oh, yeah, talked himself... with me.
677
00:45:51,404 --> 00:45:55,139
When we were younger, Al
Collins used to stutter,
678
00:45:55,141 --> 00:45:58,276
and he never was good
with talking to girls.
679
00:45:58,278 --> 00:46:02,580
Marguerite was the nice girl
from the other side of town,
680
00:46:02,582 --> 00:46:07,518
but Marguerite liked Alan,
and they wound up going steady.
681
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:14,759
There was some party,
and O.J. came and got me.
682
00:46:14,761 --> 00:46:17,428
I thought we was going
straight to the party,
683
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:20,465
but we pull up in front
of Marguerite's house,
684
00:46:20,467 --> 00:46:26,671
and he tells me to get in the back,
and I'm, like, in shock, like, you know,
685
00:46:26,673 --> 00:46:29,407
I seen her with... you know,
walking with... with Alan.
686
00:46:31,144 --> 00:46:35,380
We go down to where the
party is, and Alan spots us,
687
00:46:35,382 --> 00:46:39,984
and he starts shaking his
head and, "No! No way!"
688
00:46:39,986 --> 00:46:44,022
He is furious, and Al is a big guy.
689
00:46:44,024 --> 00:46:47,158
And he grabs the car, and he's rocking it,
690
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:53,164
rocking the car back and
forth, just rocking it.
691
00:46:53,166 --> 00:46:59,804
And Marguerite gets out of the
car, she says, "Alan, stop it."
692
00:46:59,806 --> 00:47:05,209
And he stops. And we were
like, "No, he didn't."
693
00:47:05,211 --> 00:47:10,648
How could O.J. keep getting
out of these situations?
694
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:13,718
He stole his best friend's girl.
695
00:47:16,389 --> 00:47:24,062
Later on, you see the three of them
together. Alan went to USC also.
696
00:47:24,064 --> 00:47:26,664
They were as thick as thieves.
697
00:47:26,666 --> 00:47:29,434
Everywhere he went, A.C. was with him.
698
00:47:29,436 --> 00:47:32,937
Football really was
what brought us together.
699
00:47:32,939 --> 00:47:34,705
We were really braggadocious, you know.
700
00:47:34,707 --> 00:47:39,210
We were like, "I'm gonna
be a pro football player,"
701
00:47:39,212 --> 00:47:42,046
and O.J. said something
that really struck me.
702
00:47:42,048 --> 00:47:46,551
He says, "Man, let me tell you
guys something. One of these days,
703
00:47:46,553 --> 00:47:52,123
your children are gonna be fighting
over who wants to be O.J. Simpson."
704
00:47:52,125 --> 00:47:58,629
He knew that he was going to be somebody.
705
00:47:58,631 --> 00:48:02,600
He was self-assured. I'll
just... I'll just put it that way.
706
00:48:02,602 --> 00:48:05,770
O.J. has always wanted to be a hero.
707
00:48:09,242 --> 00:48:13,978
If it was looking at Burt Lancaster
on The Man on the Flying Trapeze
708
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:20,551
or Burt Lancaster playing Jim
Thorpe, he always wanted to be a hero.
709
00:48:20,553 --> 00:48:22,186
An American hero.
710
00:48:38,004 --> 00:48:42,607
The Buffalo Bills select as their
first choice in the first round,
711
00:48:42,609 --> 00:48:45,743
halfback O.J. Simpson, the
University of Southern California.
712
00:48:50,483 --> 00:48:55,453
It was the last place you'd wanna be.
713
00:48:55,455 --> 00:48:57,722
It was just like being sent to Siberia.
714
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:11,669
There was some players that
said, "Oh, Mr. Hotshot."
715
00:49:11,671 --> 00:49:16,007
He understood that people
around him was envious
716
00:49:16,009 --> 00:49:18,075
what he was getting and what he was doing.
717
00:49:22,715 --> 00:49:25,850
Stand by and go whenever
you're ready, O.J.
718
00:49:27,687 --> 00:49:32,723
Well, there was never much
doubt about missing him.
719
00:49:32,725 --> 00:49:37,728
Uh, that was O.J. Simpson. O.J. is
now a professional football player.
720
00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:41,399
The Buffalo Bills is his
home, and the question is
721
00:49:41,401 --> 00:49:44,535
how many professional defensive
tacklers is he going to get by?
722
00:49:46,839 --> 00:49:48,539
So what kind of an attitude
723
00:49:48,541 --> 00:49:51,242
must O.J. Simpson have to
play professional football?
724
00:49:51,244 --> 00:49:53,744
Well, he's gonna have
to be strong-willed,
725
00:49:53,746 --> 00:49:55,713
uh, in many different ways,
726
00:49:55,715 --> 00:49:58,849
because he will have a lot of people
picking at him, he'll have a lot of...
727
00:49:58,851 --> 00:50:01,252
We had a couch, John Rauch,
728
00:50:01,254 --> 00:50:03,821
which I've considered the
worst coach that we ever had.
729
00:50:03,823 --> 00:50:05,590
Blocking, he will have to block,
730
00:50:05,592 --> 00:50:08,059
because other people
are ball carriers also.
731
00:50:08,061 --> 00:50:11,229
He tried to make O.J. a
receiver, more or less.
732
00:50:11,231 --> 00:50:14,732
What we call tosses,
quick, uh, opening plays.
733
00:50:14,734 --> 00:50:17,702
And O.J. could not catch a ball.
734
00:50:17,704 --> 00:50:21,872
He couldn't catch a ball if they paid
him to catch a ball, which they was.
735
00:50:21,874 --> 00:50:24,175
They was paying him.
They was paying him a lot.
736
00:50:38,091 --> 00:50:42,793
O.J. hated Buffalo. He hated the weather.
737
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:57,575
It's a blue collar town. Hard working,
blue collar, factory-working people.
738
00:50:57,577 --> 00:50:59,310
O.J. was nothing of that.
739
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,947
And plus, we was on a losing team.
740
00:51:07,487 --> 00:51:12,089
The first couple years of his pro
career were very frustrating for him,
741
00:51:12,091 --> 00:51:15,760
and they were disappointing
relative to the huge expectations
742
00:51:15,762 --> 00:51:17,695
that everybody set for him.
743
00:51:23,102 --> 00:51:24,802
I mean, they were saying he was a bust.
744
00:51:30,777 --> 00:51:34,679
If it had have stayed the same as it
was when he first got drafted in here,
745
00:51:34,681 --> 00:51:39,250
he would have been a nobody,
I honestly believe that.
746
00:51:39,252 --> 00:51:40,518
He'd have been a nobody.
747
00:51:49,028 --> 00:51:52,129
Best thing happened to O.J.
was John Rauch got fired,
748
00:51:52,131 --> 00:51:53,831
and Lou Saban took over.
749
00:51:53,833 --> 00:51:57,868
Lou Saban was a person who
believed in the run game first,
750
00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:59,103
the pass game second.
751
00:51:59,105 --> 00:52:01,205
I tell you, if Lou Saban
hadn't have came in,
752
00:52:01,207 --> 00:52:04,575
we wouldn't be doing this story right now.
753
00:52:11,551 --> 00:52:15,486
'73 was the year we
opened the new stadium.
754
00:52:15,488 --> 00:52:17,355
So we had a 80,000 seat stadium,
755
00:52:18,725 --> 00:52:23,194
and they brought in all
these young offensive linemen.
756
00:52:23,196 --> 00:52:25,730
Coach Saban built the team to run.
757
00:52:27,166 --> 00:52:30,868
When I got there during exhibition season,
758
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:38,709
I saw him doing things that... I
said, "Wow. Homeboy's pretty bad."
759
00:52:38,711 --> 00:52:42,079
Lou Saban started selling them
on the idea that we can get 2,000.
760
00:52:42,081 --> 00:52:44,815
You can get 2,000. We can do this.
761
00:52:44,817 --> 00:52:48,619
You can get it done. What's
more, you gotta get it done.
762
00:52:55,995 --> 00:53:01,932
And in that first game,
763
00:53:01,934 --> 00:53:09,473
we turned out the lights and
started it and never looked back.
764
00:53:16,582 --> 00:53:21,585
First game I ever played in
the NFL, O.J. got 250 yards.
765
00:53:21,587 --> 00:53:24,688
O.J. Simpson could run sideways faster
766
00:53:24,690 --> 00:53:27,458
than most men could run forward.
767
00:53:28,294 --> 00:53:30,227
And he hit the line, and he'd go
768
00:53:30,229 --> 00:53:33,998
that quick, then up the sideline.
769
00:53:36,369 --> 00:53:39,103
He was amazing.
770
00:53:41,941 --> 00:53:44,375
I've been around a lot
of good ballplayers,
771
00:53:44,377 --> 00:53:48,746
but I've never been around
anyone that was as breathtaking
772
00:53:48,748 --> 00:53:51,782
or as captivating as he was.
773
00:53:51,784 --> 00:53:54,084
He would, like, glide.
774
00:53:54,086 --> 00:53:56,821
He never really picked his feet more
than a couple inches off the ground,
775
00:53:56,823 --> 00:53:59,790
so he was, like,
slithering through a hole.
776
00:53:59,792 --> 00:54:01,559
When he'd hit a hole
sometimes he'd turn sideways
777
00:54:01,561 --> 00:54:03,661
and kind of leap through it sideways.
778
00:54:03,663 --> 00:54:05,496
Then if he broke open into the open,
779
00:54:05,498 --> 00:54:07,665
then you'd start seeing the
knees go up in the stride.
780
00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:09,567
That's when he was buttery.
781
00:54:11,170 --> 00:54:14,705
He's the one who sucked me
into being a rabid Bills fan.
782
00:54:16,409 --> 00:54:19,910
Let's hear it for the Bills.
Let's hear it. Come on! Let's go!
783
00:54:19,912 --> 00:54:21,178
Let's go, Bills!
784
00:54:25,585 --> 00:54:27,751
And once we got to the seventh game,
785
00:54:27,753 --> 00:54:34,058
it was a Monday night game,
O.J. went over a thousand.
786
00:54:37,196 --> 00:54:39,430
Everybody said, "Hey,
we have a shot at this."
787
00:54:41,968 --> 00:54:44,835
Two thousand yards in 14 games.
788
00:54:44,837 --> 00:54:48,873
That was like somebody breaking
Babe Ruth's home run record.
789
00:54:48,875 --> 00:54:51,175
That was unheard of.
790
00:54:51,177 --> 00:54:53,210
What was going through
my mind at the time is
791
00:54:53,212 --> 00:54:55,212
he might have a chance of
breaking Jim Brown's record.
792
00:54:55,214 --> 00:54:57,281
I never thought that
he would go 2,000 yards.
793
00:54:57,283 --> 00:54:59,617
Why are you so much
better than everybody else?
794
00:54:59,619 --> 00:55:03,187
I think... I think the offensive
line is so much better than everybody.
795
00:55:03,189 --> 00:55:06,223
Hey, you guys!
796
00:55:08,394 --> 00:55:10,728
We're gonna turn it on.
797
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:13,297
All of a sudden, we got a
nickname: "The Electric Company."
798
00:55:13,299 --> 00:55:16,033
And, wow, this is pretty cool.
799
00:55:16,035 --> 00:55:19,470
The nickname came from the
PR director of The Bills.
800
00:55:19,472 --> 00:55:22,740
There used to be a cartoon
called The Electric Company,
801
00:55:22,742 --> 00:55:25,809
and his son watched it all the time.
802
00:55:25,811 --> 00:55:28,812
He said, "Hey, Dad, why don't you
call 'em 'The Electric Company'?"
803
00:55:28,814 --> 00:55:31,532
They turn on the juice.
804
00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,251
♪ The Bills they got
that Electric Company ♪
805
00:55:34,253 --> 00:55:38,422
♪ Montler, Foley, Big Joe D ♪
806
00:55:38,424 --> 00:55:42,159
♪ They turn on The Juice ♪
♪ They turn on The Juice ♪
807
00:55:42,161 --> 00:55:46,864
♪ They cut him loose ♪
♪ They turn on The Juice ♪
808
00:55:46,866 --> 00:55:50,734
♪ You know I love to
see my Electric Company ♪
809
00:55:50,736 --> 00:55:54,738
♪ Turn on The Juice ♪
♪ Turn him loose ♪
810
00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:56,373
O.J. just couldn't be stopped that year.
811
00:55:56,375 --> 00:55:59,710
♪ Throw that switch, boys ♪
♪ Turn the power on ♪
812
00:55:59,712 --> 00:56:01,445
There were times when the quarterback
813
00:56:01,447 --> 00:56:03,747
would only throw six
passes in the entire game.
814
00:56:03,749 --> 00:56:07,284
♪ There goes The Juice ♪
♪ There goes The Juice ♪
815
00:56:07,286 --> 00:56:09,620
The entire offense was O.J. Simpson.
816
00:56:09,622 --> 00:56:11,522
♪ There goes The Juice ♪
817
00:56:11,524 --> 00:56:13,290
♪ 30, 40... ♪
818
00:56:13,292 --> 00:56:16,460
Nobody actually thought
he was gonna go for 2,000.
819
00:56:16,462 --> 00:56:20,965
With only, uh, two games to go, he
was still 400 and a few yards short.
820
00:56:20,967 --> 00:56:22,399
Go, Juice!
821
00:56:22,401 --> 00:56:23,200
Come on, Juice!
822
00:56:25,438 --> 00:56:31,308
During the games, I never took
a minute off from the offense.
823
00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:34,778
♪ Do you want The Juice
to put a move on you? ♪
824
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:36,747
I never made it to the bench.
825
00:56:36,749 --> 00:56:38,282
♪ Turn on The Juice ♪
826
00:56:38,284 --> 00:56:39,450
♪ Yeah ♪
827
00:56:39,452 --> 00:56:40,985
I didn't wanna miss any of it.
828
00:56:40,987 --> 00:56:44,421
♪ Turn on The Juice ♪
829
00:56:44,423 --> 00:56:47,791
It was the most exciting
thing that I'd ever seen.
830
00:56:47,793 --> 00:56:50,427
♪ Turn on The Juice ♪
831
00:56:50,429 --> 00:56:51,996
♪ Yeah ♪
832
00:57:05,811 --> 00:57:09,513
When we got to New York, that last game,
833
00:57:09,515 --> 00:57:11,315
he was going for Jim Brown's record.
834
00:57:13,419 --> 00:57:17,187
With 60 yards needed, and everyone knew
835
00:57:17,189 --> 00:57:22,159
that The Jets didn't want
him to get the record.
836
00:57:22,161 --> 00:57:27,998
I was actually there. The Jets had
no chance of making the playoffs.
837
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,134
The only interesting thing about that day
838
00:57:30,136 --> 00:57:32,569
was whether O.J. was going to break 2,000.
839
00:57:34,874 --> 00:57:38,509
It was a really snowy, cold day.
840
00:57:38,511 --> 00:57:41,178
Hm, a little bit similar to today.
841
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:42,479
So a lot of people were worried
842
00:57:42,481 --> 00:57:44,114
that he wouldn't have
a lot of rushing yards
843
00:57:44,116 --> 00:57:47,651
because of that, a lot
of slipping in the snow.
844
00:57:47,653 --> 00:57:50,120
He was nervous that day.
845
00:57:50,122 --> 00:57:53,057
We had a little chat,
and I told him, I said,
846
00:57:53,059 --> 00:57:57,294
"Hey, homes, this is just
another week for you."
847
00:57:57,296 --> 00:58:01,098
I think he knew that "This
is gonna make or break me."
848
00:58:02,968 --> 00:58:07,171
He knew that in order for him
to write his name in the book,
849
00:58:07,173 --> 00:58:10,140
he had to be exceptional.
850
00:58:10,142 --> 00:58:13,010
He was living a very comfortable life,
851
00:58:13,012 --> 00:58:15,946
but he wanted to live an exceptional life,
852
00:58:17,583 --> 00:58:21,218
and this was his exceptional feat.
853
00:58:30,596 --> 00:58:33,497
I remember just about
every play in that game.
854
00:58:33,499 --> 00:58:34,832
Every time Simpson got the ball,
855
00:58:34,834 --> 00:58:38,035
everyone was rushing to their,
uh, notepad to write it down.
856
00:58:38,037 --> 00:58:41,705
And the announcers kept counting it down.
857
00:58:41,707 --> 00:58:45,008
Well, gentlemen, we are coming
upon it, and, uh, The Juice should
858
00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:49,613
break the National Football League
rushing record in this next series.
859
00:58:49,615 --> 00:58:53,417
Simpson running left, Simpson
breaking loose, and there it is!
860
00:58:53,419 --> 00:58:58,355
All right! All right!
861
00:58:58,357 --> 00:59:00,224
He needed four yards, he
got five and this crowd,
862
00:59:00,226 --> 00:59:04,962
his whole team is gathering
around and congratulating him,
863
00:59:04,964 --> 00:59:09,099
hitting him on the head, there
isn't a person sitting down.
864
00:59:09,101 --> 00:59:12,469
He got the 1,863 pretty early in the game.
865
00:59:12,471 --> 00:59:14,872
And they said, "Okay, now
we're going for the 2,000."
866
00:59:14,874 --> 00:59:18,308
And now it's for the 2,000, Floyd.
867
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,714
More than 100 yards,
O.J., O.J. cuts inside,
868
00:59:23,716 --> 00:59:26,583
O.J. gets wide, this is on!
869
00:59:26,585 --> 00:59:31,221
Now a race he's at midfield and he's
inside Jets territory at the 43 yard line.
870
00:59:31,223 --> 00:59:35,726
100 yards. How many games did
he get to 100 yards? Eleven?
871
00:59:35,728 --> 00:59:37,461
Once he got over 100 yards,
872
00:59:37,463 --> 00:59:39,329
a different excitement
started to hit the game.
873
00:59:39,331 --> 00:59:42,666
Well, he might do this. He
might actually hit 2,000.
874
00:59:42,668 --> 00:59:47,104
You had Jets fans who were
basically rooting for O.J.
875
00:59:47,106 --> 00:59:50,007
because they wanted to be part
of history, and I think, you know,
876
00:59:50,009 --> 00:59:52,676
I was basically a little kid,
but I think I felt that way.
877
00:59:52,678 --> 00:59:53,577
Who cared if The Jets won?
878
00:59:53,579 --> 00:59:55,078
Everybody loved O.J.
879
01:00:00,286 --> 01:00:05,155
O.J., he's got five yards,
and O.J. running left,
880
01:00:05,157 --> 01:00:08,525
O.J. five more. Maybe more. I don't know.
881
01:00:08,527 --> 01:00:14,198
They did it. They did it. Yeah!
882
01:00:15,968 --> 01:00:20,070
And when he did it, he was on my shoulder.
883
01:00:22,141 --> 01:00:28,846
I knew how important it was.
I contributed to that also.
884
01:00:28,848 --> 01:00:32,182
The defense has to give
the ball to the offense.
885
01:00:32,184 --> 01:00:35,385
I felt it. It was mine, too.
886
01:00:38,691 --> 01:00:42,226
Right after the game, there's
"Gotta get O.J. to the interview,"
887
01:00:42,228 --> 01:00:45,229
and he said, "I'm not coming in
unless you bring in all the guys."
888
01:00:45,231 --> 01:00:48,699
And we were in a tiny room. We
could barely fit in that room.
889
01:00:48,701 --> 01:00:52,202
He brought in all the offense. He
refused to go in that room without us.
890
01:00:52,204 --> 01:00:55,138
O.J., you brought 'em all with you.
891
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:57,074
Yeah. Hey, they did the job, all of you.
892
01:00:57,076 --> 01:00:58,175
I want you to meet the boys. Here.
893
01:00:58,177 --> 01:01:01,078
Mike Montler, our... our... our center.
894
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,780
Jim Braxton, Bob Penchion, Joe Ferguson.
895
01:01:03,782 --> 01:01:05,682
Didn't throw many passes this year,
but ball-handling is the thing.
896
01:01:07,152 --> 01:01:10,554
Donnie Green, Bobby
Chandler, Paul Seymour,
897
01:01:10,556 --> 01:01:12,256
Dave Foley, a former Jet.
898
01:01:13,425 --> 01:01:14,858
All right, all right!
899
01:01:14,860 --> 01:01:17,427
This is a guy, through the long winter
900
01:01:17,429 --> 01:01:19,062
wasn't supposed to play
any football this year.
901
01:01:19,064 --> 01:01:20,998
He had a heart problem, but you
came back, and you see what we did.
902
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,334
JD Hill, "Crackback" Hill,
my main man Reg McKenzie.
903
01:01:24,336 --> 01:01:27,004
He was the most generous
guy you'd ever meet.
904
01:01:29,008 --> 01:01:31,675
When we broke the record, he
bought us a gold wristband.
905
01:01:31,677 --> 01:01:35,679
And on the back of it is,
"We did it. The Juice. 3088."
906
01:01:35,681 --> 01:01:38,749
He didn't say "2003", he said "3088",
907
01:01:38,751 --> 01:01:40,918
because that's how much the team rushed.
908
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,787
I hope to stay in the, uh, league
long enough for, uh, you know,
909
01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:46,056
'til all these guys
get old so no young back
910
01:01:46,058 --> 01:01:48,158
can get behind 'em and break my record.
911
01:01:49,929 --> 01:01:53,330
'73 was like a rebirth of his celebrity.
912
01:01:58,137 --> 01:02:00,103
I was 22 years old, I thought, you know,
913
01:02:00,105 --> 01:02:03,206
"This is like being on
a team with Babe Ruth."
914
01:02:03,208 --> 01:02:07,210
Mentally, I think he was
ahead of, uh, a lot of people.
915
01:02:07,212 --> 01:02:12,382
From watching how he handled
himself, how he operated,
916
01:02:12,384 --> 01:02:17,688
my whole demeanor changed.
I began to wanna be like O.J.
917
01:02:20,492 --> 01:02:26,463
He was Baryshnikov. When somebody
is that great at something,
918
01:02:28,767 --> 01:02:32,736
when we see those
people, they are special.
919
01:02:35,107 --> 01:02:39,076
They just can do stuff
that other people can't do.
920
01:02:44,683 --> 01:02:49,920
You expect it of yourself. You hear
the crowd, but you don't hear it.
921
01:02:49,922 --> 01:02:54,257
I mean, you know they're cheering,
but that's the way it should be.
922
01:02:54,259 --> 01:02:58,328
When I'm in the open, I'm running,
this is how it is supposed to be.
923
01:02:58,330 --> 01:03:02,366
This is correct. This is
the natural state of things.
924
01:03:02,368 --> 01:03:06,336
I know whenever I've done it,
my feelings have always been,
925
01:03:06,338 --> 01:03:08,872
uh, that's nothing.
Uh, this is nothing yet.
926
01:03:08,874 --> 01:03:10,340
Yeah, I'm gonna do it again.
927
01:03:12,878 --> 01:03:17,280
Orenthal James Simpson had that shine.
928
01:03:17,282 --> 01:03:20,784
The sun hit him, and there
was this thing about him.
929
01:03:20,786 --> 01:03:22,719
Because he really was that great.
930
01:03:22,721 --> 01:03:25,455
He really was that great.
931
01:03:28,027 --> 01:03:31,728
Football has been my vehicle
to come out of the ghetto,
932
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:35,966
uh, to give everything I've got.
I think I have a lot more to offer.
933
01:03:35,968 --> 01:03:38,335
There's a lot of things
I need as a person.
934
01:03:38,337 --> 01:03:41,905
You know, I need, uh...
I need that recognition.
935
01:03:41,907 --> 01:03:44,841
I think that, uh, what...
what is driving O.J. Simpson
936
01:03:44,843 --> 01:03:48,378
is that need to be number
one, that need to be liked.
937
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:51,882
That need to be said,
"Hey, that's O.J. Simpson."
938
01:03:51,884 --> 01:03:56,153
When I walk down the street,
I want people to know me.
939
01:04:09,768 --> 01:04:16,206
♪ Let Hertz put you in the driver's seat ♪
940
01:04:16,208 --> 01:04:17,407
♪ Let Hertz take you anywhere ♪
941
01:04:17,409 --> 01:04:20,243
We had done a survey
asking the customer base
942
01:04:20,245 --> 01:04:24,881
what was the most important attribute
of the rental car experience?
943
01:04:24,883 --> 01:04:26,316
And the most important
attribute was speed of service.
944
01:04:30,355 --> 01:04:34,357
So we went to the agency,
and they showed a storyboard
945
01:04:34,359 --> 01:04:40,030
of a businessman with a briefcase
running through the airport.
946
01:04:40,032 --> 01:04:43,600
Our marketing guy said,
"Frank, it doesn't work.
947
01:04:43,602 --> 01:04:47,604
That's not realistic to think
a businessman's gonna do that.
948
01:04:47,606 --> 01:04:50,474
We need somebody that connotes speed."
949
01:04:50,476 --> 01:04:54,978
And I said, "Like what?" He
says, "Like O.J. Simpson."
950
01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:57,948
Juice comes off the blocks,
immediately goes into the lead.
951
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:59,382
Steve Smith running in second place.
952
01:04:59,384 --> 01:05:01,651
Right now it's Mark Gleason,
but here comes Hancock.
953
01:05:01,653 --> 01:05:03,120
He moves past Gleason.
954
01:05:03,122 --> 01:05:06,056
O.J. looks back, sees Smith
running at his shoulder,
955
01:05:06,058 --> 01:05:08,825
steps on it a little bit,
and The Juice puts him away.
956
01:05:08,827 --> 01:05:10,427
It was one of the clients who said,
957
01:05:10,429 --> 01:05:14,131
"Did you see the ABC
program The Superstars ?
958
01:05:14,133 --> 01:05:16,733
O.J. just lit up the screen.
959
01:05:16,735 --> 01:05:20,971
His personality came out, and
he just made everybody smile."
960
01:05:20,973 --> 01:05:22,606
You gave him about a yard and
then you took a look at him.
961
01:05:22,608 --> 01:05:23,940
What's happening?
962
01:05:23,942 --> 01:05:26,510
Well, I was out there cruising.
I figure I'd coast it on in.
963
01:05:26,512 --> 01:05:30,413
I saw Steve pull up on me, you know,
and my ego got a little ruffled there.
964
01:05:30,415 --> 01:05:32,149
I said, "I'd better
get out in front again."
965
01:05:32,151 --> 01:05:35,152
I called him, and his first comment was,
966
01:05:35,154 --> 01:05:37,087
"Hertz is the number
one rent-a-car company.
967
01:05:37,089 --> 01:05:41,191
If I'm ever going to do anything
in advertising in a big way,
968
01:05:41,193 --> 01:05:43,693
it's always gonna be for
the number one brand."
969
01:05:43,695 --> 01:05:46,029
When you're in a rush,
take it from O.J. Simpson.
970
01:05:46,031 --> 01:05:48,832
There's only one superstar
in rent-a-car: Hertz.
971
01:05:48,834 --> 01:05:51,835
The first ad was filmed in Newark Airport.
972
01:05:51,837 --> 01:05:53,770
He was very professional,
973
01:05:53,772 --> 01:05:58,008
he was anxious to make sure
that he did things correctly,
974
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:59,843
that his diction was appropriate.
975
01:05:59,845 --> 01:06:03,313
Others claim to be fast, but
nobody has more to do it faster.
976
01:06:03,315 --> 01:06:06,216
More pros to execute the
toughest performance standards.
977
01:06:06,218 --> 01:06:09,719
More cars, more locations, first with
every good idea to speed up service,
978
01:06:09,721 --> 01:06:11,688
like the Number One Club.
979
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:15,959
Before you get there, your form's
filled out, car's preassigned.
980
01:06:15,961 --> 01:06:17,594
Go, O.J., go!
981
01:06:18,997 --> 01:06:23,133
Rent a Ford fast from Hertz,
the superstar in rent-a-car.
982
01:06:23,135 --> 01:06:27,070
I thought it was perfect.
I mean, it just made sense.
983
01:06:27,072 --> 01:06:30,240
You're trying to portray speed of service,
984
01:06:30,242 --> 01:06:34,744
and you've got the fastest guy in
America running through the airport
985
01:06:34,746 --> 01:06:37,581
and a little old lady yelling, "Go, O.J.!"
986
01:06:37,583 --> 01:06:39,149
Go, O.J., go!
987
01:06:39,151 --> 01:06:40,283
It was perfect.
988
01:06:42,187 --> 01:06:47,090
It tested so well that they decided
to use him for the print work,
989
01:06:47,092 --> 01:06:50,227
promotional work, and
they did the right thing.
990
01:06:50,229 --> 01:06:53,330
He made that company successful.
991
01:06:53,332 --> 01:06:56,166
He became the image for that company.
992
01:06:56,168 --> 01:06:58,401
We started in September of '75.
993
01:06:58,403 --> 01:07:01,938
By two years of the campaign
running, O.J. Simpson
994
01:07:01,940 --> 01:07:05,208
was the star presenter of
the year for Advertising Age.
995
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:08,612
There was never a story
that was written about O.J.
996
01:07:08,614 --> 01:07:09,446
that didn't mention Hertz.
997
01:07:10,949 --> 01:07:14,417
Coming or going on a business
trip, you've got no time to waste.
998
01:07:14,419 --> 01:07:17,087
I can see him right now
flying through the airport.
999
01:07:17,089 --> 01:07:18,888
Whether it's picking up or dropping off...
1000
01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:22,092
I was proud. It made me want that.
1001
01:07:22,094 --> 01:07:25,228
Go, O.J., go!
1002
01:07:25,230 --> 01:07:26,796
It gave me hope.
1003
01:07:26,798 --> 01:07:29,633
There you are with super-speed
1004
01:07:29,635 --> 01:07:31,401
This is an important moment.
1005
01:07:31,403 --> 01:07:34,738
The young black kid seeing a
black man running on television.
1006
01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:37,407
That's all he sees. He says,
"He looks like my uncle Reggie."
1007
01:07:37,409 --> 01:07:38,908
You know it.
1008
01:07:38,910 --> 01:07:43,313
That's something I could do. I
wanna be like O.J. on television.
1009
01:07:43,315 --> 01:07:45,448
Hi. Ever need to rent a car fast? Watch.
1010
01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:49,486
You're in the limelight. We like
seeing you. You look like us.
1011
01:07:49,488 --> 01:07:50,787
It's kind of like when
I first saw black people
1012
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:52,255
brushing their teeth on TV.
1013
01:07:52,257 --> 01:07:54,257
I mean, we always knew
we brushed our teeth,
1014
01:07:54,259 --> 01:07:56,626
but it was, like, a big
thing. Like, "Come see!"
1015
01:07:56,628 --> 01:07:59,562
That's what happened with O.J. Simpson.
1016
01:07:59,564 --> 01:08:03,833
Those were heights that we had not
reached before, so he was a pioneer.
1017
01:08:05,470 --> 01:08:09,773
You're a black man in America,
you're fighting our war.
1018
01:08:09,775 --> 01:08:14,477
If you make a success for yourself
somewhere, you've opened a door.
1019
01:08:14,479 --> 01:08:17,414
Fortunately, because of
the riots of the early '60s,
1020
01:08:17,416 --> 01:08:19,649
some doors were opened to me.
1021
01:08:19,651 --> 01:08:22,352
If I were to have looked at myself
in any other way except a man,
1022
01:08:22,354 --> 01:08:23,853
my brother could walk into a room and know
1023
01:08:23,855 --> 01:08:25,789
he's the only black guy in the room.
1024
01:08:25,791 --> 01:08:27,157
I walk in a room, and I don't care.
1025
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:29,326
I don't count the blacks
or whites in the room,
1026
01:08:29,328 --> 01:08:33,096
and in '68, when I signed to work
for some white companies, you know,
1027
01:08:33,098 --> 01:08:35,532
Chevrolet Motor Division,
I walked in the room,
1028
01:08:35,534 --> 01:08:37,701
and I never thought that I was
the first black guy to do it.
1029
01:08:37,703 --> 01:08:40,337
I never even gave that any credence.
1030
01:08:40,339 --> 01:08:42,839
For us, O.J. was colorless.
1031
01:08:42,841 --> 01:08:49,346
None of the people that we associated
with looked at him as a black man.
1032
01:08:50,949 --> 01:08:56,119
O.J. portrayed success.
1033
01:08:56,121 --> 01:09:02,292
Success, I mean, from nowhere. And
I think people want to be successful.
1034
01:09:02,294 --> 01:09:06,062
O.J. was the first to
demonstrate that white folks
1035
01:09:06,064 --> 01:09:10,500
would buy stuff based
on a black endorsement
1036
01:09:10,502 --> 01:09:16,740
as long as it was not pressed
as a black endorsement.
1037
01:09:16,742 --> 01:09:20,577
And the way they did that
was to remove black people
1038
01:09:20,579 --> 01:09:26,049
totally from any scene that O.J. was in.
1039
01:09:27,185 --> 01:09:29,152
It was Fred Levinson who said,
1040
01:09:29,154 --> 01:09:32,689
"Guys, we're going to
be showing a black man
1041
01:09:32,691 --> 01:09:35,992
running through an airport in 1975."
1042
01:09:35,994 --> 01:09:38,261
I said, "When you see the
commercial with a black guy
1043
01:09:38,263 --> 01:09:40,997
running through an
airport, a little different
1044
01:09:40,999 --> 01:09:43,066
than seeing a white guy
running through an airport."
1045
01:09:43,068 --> 01:09:46,770
So he came up with the idea of
putting in various characters
1046
01:09:46,772 --> 01:09:51,841
who would see O.J. and endorse
him by saying, "Go, O.J., go!"
1047
01:09:51,843 --> 01:09:53,510
Go, O.J., go!
1048
01:09:53,512 --> 01:09:55,879
Go, O.J., go!
1049
01:09:55,881 --> 01:09:57,781
Go, Juice, go!
1050
01:09:57,783 --> 01:09:59,282
Rent a Ford from Hertz.
1051
01:09:59,284 --> 01:10:00,550
The superstar in rent-a-car.
1052
01:10:00,552 --> 01:10:01,851
Right.
1053
01:10:02,921 --> 01:10:05,355
They bought the notion
1054
01:10:05,357 --> 01:10:10,026
that you could erase the
black character, the culture.
1055
01:10:10,028 --> 01:10:12,195
This is what made O.J. marketable.
1056
01:10:13,231 --> 01:10:16,199
He's African, but he's a good-looking man.
1057
01:10:16,201 --> 01:10:19,369
You know, he almost has white features.
1058
01:10:19,371 --> 01:10:23,773
He wasn't the typical
black look, African look.
1059
01:10:23,775 --> 01:10:25,909
What white America got out of it
1060
01:10:25,911 --> 01:10:31,714
was they could point to
somebody that had "made it"
1061
01:10:33,418 --> 01:10:37,454
and demonstrated unequivocally
that we are more than willing
1062
01:10:37,456 --> 01:10:41,124
to not just accept
you, but to embrace you.
1063
01:10:42,961 --> 01:10:49,966
What O.J. got out of it
was money, fame, celebrity.
1064
01:10:49,968 --> 01:10:55,738
♪ Hey, hey, hey! What you got to say? ♪
1065
01:10:55,740 --> 01:10:59,742
I always say of it, he
was the guy of the '70s.
1066
01:10:59,744 --> 01:11:01,678
I look back at those days,
1067
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,848
there was Muhammad Ali,
Hank Aaron and O.J. Simpson.
1068
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:07,450
And O.J. was the most
popular of all of them.
1069
01:11:07,452 --> 01:11:09,118
♪ Hollywood ♪
1070
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,154
I didn't see them
running through airports.
1071
01:11:11,156 --> 01:11:13,122
♪ Hollywood swinger ♪
1072
01:11:13,124 --> 01:11:16,292
When you're a star running back,
you have to maintain a certain image.
1073
01:11:16,294 --> 01:11:17,527
Aw.
1074
01:11:17,529 --> 01:11:19,329
I'm'a tell ya, I dug O.J..
1075
01:11:19,331 --> 01:11:24,334
I got a chance to see how he
lived, how he handled stuff.
1076
01:11:24,336 --> 01:11:28,137
I'd never been that close to
that type of success before.
1077
01:11:28,139 --> 01:11:32,542
♪ Hey, listen, Hollywood city, yeah ♪
1078
01:11:32,544 --> 01:11:35,678
They'd have 3-4,000 fans
standing around the bus
1079
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,447
just to get a look at him.
1080
01:11:37,449 --> 01:11:41,718
He would stay on the field
and sign every autograph.
1081
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:46,189
I've seen O.J. sign autographs for hours.
1082
01:11:46,191 --> 01:11:49,859
I said, "How in the world
do you put up with this?"
1083
01:11:49,861 --> 01:11:53,863
He said, "Man, I wanted this."
1084
01:11:53,865 --> 01:11:56,199
O.J., tonight we're
gonna change your image.
1085
01:11:56,201 --> 01:11:59,335
Flip, you won't be the first who tried.
1086
01:11:59,337 --> 01:12:04,073
♪ Hollywood, Hollywood swinging ♪
1087
01:12:04,075 --> 01:12:07,477
When I first met O.J., he was a huge star.
1088
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,313
I'll shave one side with the
leading double-edged blade.
1089
01:12:10,315 --> 01:12:13,683
I was friends with his
wife Marguerite's sister.
1090
01:12:13,685 --> 01:12:16,019
I can't tell. Both sides feel the same.
1091
01:12:16,021 --> 01:12:21,925
They lived up in the hills, in Bel-Air.
1092
01:12:21,927 --> 01:12:28,264
Marguerite felt like she was a single
mother while O.J. was out being O.J.
1093
01:12:32,604 --> 01:12:35,572
Tonight, O.J., we're
gonna be sophisticated.
1094
01:12:35,574 --> 01:12:36,773
Sophisticated.
1095
01:12:36,775 --> 01:12:38,274
We gonna have a ball, Orenthal.
1096
01:12:38,276 --> 01:12:39,375
I can dig it. Cool.
1097
01:12:39,377 --> 01:12:41,544
Right on, O.J.
1098
01:12:41,546 --> 01:12:44,681
♪ Hollywood ♪
1099
01:12:44,683 --> 01:12:50,053
The scene is this, here
is three poor black kids,
1100
01:12:50,055 --> 01:12:53,923
never had a thousand
dollars in our pockets.
1101
01:12:53,925 --> 01:12:58,194
Now he got a brand-new drop-top Cadillac,
1102
01:12:58,196 --> 01:13:00,930
we're driving down Rodeo Drive.
1103
01:13:00,932 --> 01:13:07,437
Women come up, throw their arms
around O.J. and just lay it on him.
1104
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,975
Not just women, white
women. Fine white women.
1105
01:13:11,977 --> 01:13:13,977
What you got to say?
1106
01:13:13,979 --> 01:13:16,779
It was that kind of world, man.
1107
01:13:16,781 --> 01:13:22,719
♪ Hollywood, Hollywood swinging ♪
1108
01:13:22,721 --> 01:13:26,255
Do you feel, like, any kind
of pressure in some ways to...
1109
01:13:26,257 --> 01:13:28,124
You know, people expect
that you're gonna be a hero
1110
01:13:28,126 --> 01:13:29,459
so you always have to...
1111
01:13:29,461 --> 01:13:33,162
Well, I found that... I thought
that maybe my problem would be
1112
01:13:33,164 --> 01:13:35,164
that I would have to tear that down.
1113
01:13:35,166 --> 01:13:37,433
You know, I would have to, uh... You know,
1114
01:13:37,435 --> 01:13:39,502
I... I found that I was
becoming a trapped... you know,
1115
01:13:39,504 --> 01:13:42,238
getting trapped within the
image other people have of me.
1116
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,575
You know, my image was dictating
what I did and who I was.
1117
01:13:45,577 --> 01:13:48,778
I even had a manager at one point,
I was gonna do something and he said,
1118
01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:50,747
"You can't do that. O.J.
would never do that."
1119
01:13:50,749 --> 01:13:53,783
I said, "Hey, wait. Wait a
minute. I'm O.J. Simpson, you know?
1120
01:13:53,785 --> 01:13:55,785
And I'm'a do it."
1121
01:13:55,787 --> 01:13:57,186
Yeah, 'cause I would think that someone
1122
01:13:57,188 --> 01:13:58,988
would like you to be a spokesman.
You know, to get out there.
1123
01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:59,956
All the time.
1124
01:13:59,958 --> 01:14:01,090
Yeah?
1125
01:14:01,092 --> 01:14:03,826
I've had a lot of pressure
on me to go into politics.
1126
01:14:03,828 --> 01:14:07,130
I was pulled into it once or
twice in the black movement,
1127
01:14:07,132 --> 01:14:08,698
when I was in school.
1128
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:12,702
I think they tried to use us, and
in many cases, it... it hurt guys.
1129
01:14:12,704 --> 01:14:14,704
I felt that with Harry Edwards.
1130
01:14:14,706 --> 01:14:16,706
It hurt Tommie Smith, it hurt John Carlos.
1131
01:14:16,708 --> 01:14:18,641
Standing on his platform,
1132
01:14:18,643 --> 01:14:20,843
I thought they should've been
standing on their own platform.
1133
01:14:20,845 --> 01:14:21,944
I say if I'm gonna be
standing on the platform,
1134
01:14:21,946 --> 01:14:25,014
I'm gonna be speaking for O.J.
1135
01:14:27,352 --> 01:14:30,019
When did you first meet Mr. Simpson?
1136
01:14:30,021 --> 01:14:32,288
1970.
1137
01:14:32,290 --> 01:14:35,024
Okay, and under what circumstances?
1138
01:14:35,026 --> 01:14:37,827
I met him, uh, on a tennis court.
1139
01:14:37,829 --> 01:14:41,130
Would you be able to
describe Mr. Simpson's
1140
01:14:41,132 --> 01:14:43,900
basic personality as you knew it?
1141
01:14:43,902 --> 01:14:48,471
Very personable, very outgoing.
1142
01:14:48,473 --> 01:14:53,076
We did business together, and then
we would, uh, socialize together.
1143
01:14:56,514 --> 01:15:01,417
We were at Bob Kardasian's
mansion in Beverly Hills.
1144
01:15:01,419 --> 01:15:06,055
O.J. is playing tennis, and
everybody's having a good time.
1145
01:15:06,057 --> 01:15:08,524
I'm with black power, get it?
1146
01:15:08,526 --> 01:15:11,394
I don't wanna be around
these people, all right?
1147
01:15:11,396 --> 01:15:14,230
'Cause they're all phony to me.
1148
01:15:14,232 --> 01:15:17,066
I said, "O.J., look around you, man.
1149
01:15:17,068 --> 01:15:19,435
These people don't care nothing about us.
1150
01:15:19,437 --> 01:15:25,074
Just a few years ago, these
guys woulda drove down Fillmore
1151
01:15:25,076 --> 01:15:30,913
in their Rolls Royce and they
wouldn't have even spit on us."
1152
01:15:30,915 --> 01:15:35,384
I said, "Now they're acting like
we're their long-lost brothers."
1153
01:15:35,386 --> 01:15:39,388
I said, "Man, the only reason
we're here is we are jocks,
1154
01:15:39,390 --> 01:15:41,357
and you're O.J.."
1155
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:46,629
And he looked at me,
he says, "Mm-hm, yeah."
1156
01:15:46,631 --> 01:15:49,132
He says, "I understand
what you're saying,"
1157
01:15:49,134 --> 01:15:51,601
and he rubbed his tennis racket.
1158
01:15:51,603 --> 01:15:58,708
He says, "But I am O.J.," and
ran off on the field laughing.
1159
01:15:58,710 --> 01:16:02,278
And I was, like, I mean, I was furious.
1160
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,415
Because I say, "He's lost.
He's lost his identity.
1161
01:16:06,417 --> 01:16:09,051
He doesn't know who he is any longer."
1162
01:16:11,556 --> 01:16:15,491
I think he'd been brainwashed.
1163
01:16:15,493 --> 01:16:18,761
Let me read you something
that he said to me.
1164
01:16:18,763 --> 01:16:20,630
"That sort of thing hurts me
1165
01:16:20,632 --> 01:16:24,801
even though it's what I
strive for, to be a man first.
1166
01:16:24,803 --> 01:16:27,937
Maybe it's money, a class thing.
1167
01:16:27,939 --> 01:16:30,606
The negro is always
identified with poverty.
1168
01:16:30,608 --> 01:16:37,280
But then you think of Willy Mays
as black, but not Bill Cosby.
1169
01:16:37,282 --> 01:16:39,315
So it's more than just money.
1170
01:16:39,317 --> 01:16:42,185
As black men, we need something
up there all the time for us,
1171
01:16:42,187 --> 01:16:46,756
but what I'm doing is not for
principles or black people.
1172
01:16:46,758 --> 01:16:54,197
No. I'm dealing first for O.J.
Simpson, his wife and his babies."
1173
01:16:55,667 --> 01:17:03,372
O.J.'s quest was to erase race
as a defining factor in his life,
1174
01:17:03,374 --> 01:17:08,044
and that was the basis
upon which white society
1175
01:17:08,046 --> 01:17:11,347
not only accepted him, but embraced him.
1176
01:17:14,552 --> 01:17:18,287
Now, there are problems with that,
1177
01:17:18,289 --> 01:17:23,326
because what enabled O.J.
to be O.J. and not be black
1178
01:17:23,328 --> 01:17:27,663
was that so many negroes
and black people stood up,
1179
01:17:27,665 --> 01:17:31,734
made the sacrifice, paid the price.
1180
01:17:31,736 --> 01:17:36,372
They're the ones that set the table
for O.J. and what he was saying was,
1181
01:17:36,374 --> 01:17:40,243
"Okay. We may not have
arrived, but I have arrived,
1182
01:17:40,245 --> 01:17:42,044
and as far as I'm concerned,
1183
01:17:42,046 --> 01:17:44,347
everybody else can get here
the same way that I did,
1184
01:17:44,349 --> 01:17:47,383
and when they get here,
they can do what I do."
1185
01:17:47,385 --> 01:17:50,386
He was so privileged, he was so accepted,
1186
01:17:50,388 --> 01:17:56,259
he was so embraced that he
was immune from the reality
1187
01:17:56,261 --> 01:18:00,663
that he could find in the mirror
every morning that he was a black man.
1188
01:18:02,166 --> 01:18:06,669
No matter how far he
runs and how long he runs,
1189
01:18:06,671 --> 01:18:09,205
when you look in the mirror,
1190
01:18:09,207 --> 01:18:15,077
that black man is gonna be
right there with you. Every day.
1191
01:18:22,587 --> 01:18:25,721
We were just sitting around
the house once and, uh, he says,
1192
01:18:25,723 --> 01:18:29,759
"Joe, do you think you could go back?"
1193
01:18:29,761 --> 01:18:32,194
And I was like, "Go back where?"
1194
01:18:32,196 --> 01:18:35,464
He said, "You know, go back
to the projects, hanging out?"
1195
01:18:35,466 --> 01:18:38,935
I said, "Yeah, man." I said,
"I could go back tomorrow."
1196
01:18:48,379 --> 01:18:54,050
Potrero Hill. Hasn't changed a bit.
1197
01:18:59,757 --> 01:19:04,460
We didn't have Dr. King and these
other bougie folks as role models.
1198
01:19:04,462 --> 01:19:08,164
Our role models was pimps and players.
1199
01:19:08,166 --> 01:19:11,901
Those are the only people
that we looked up to,
1200
01:19:11,903 --> 01:19:13,836
because they had cool things.
1201
01:19:15,406 --> 01:19:21,010
They'd beat a ho down right there
on the street in front of everybody
1202
01:19:21,012 --> 01:19:22,678
so that all the women would know it,
1203
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,447
this is the kind of
treatment you're gonna get
1204
01:19:24,449 --> 01:19:26,349
if you don't bring me my money.
1205
01:19:28,686 --> 01:19:34,190
Your perceptions are shaped by
the men that are in your lives.
1206
01:19:34,192 --> 01:19:38,995
Mama was Mama. We knew she
loved us, but the reality is
1207
01:19:38,997 --> 01:19:43,599
I didn't wanna be like Mama.
Mama's a woman. I want to be a man.
1208
01:19:45,370 --> 01:19:48,938
He had to deal with his
father from time to time.
1209
01:19:48,940 --> 01:19:51,440
Sometimes, I guess his father came by
1210
01:19:51,442 --> 01:19:54,176
to take care of the
monthly payment or whatever.
1211
01:19:56,848 --> 01:20:02,718
One day, we went over to his dad's
house. We knocked on the door.
1212
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,956
He kept looking at me, and
when his dad opened the door,
1213
01:20:06,958 --> 01:20:11,027
he was in a bathrobe,
which is not a crime,
1214
01:20:11,029 --> 01:20:14,864
but then his dad kinda
opened the door more,
1215
01:20:14,866 --> 01:20:17,500
and there was a guy in
the back in a bathrobe too,
1216
01:20:17,502 --> 01:20:21,437
so it was obvious that his dad was gay.
1217
01:20:22,807 --> 01:20:26,675
We left and on the way
back, we were quiet.
1218
01:20:26,677 --> 01:20:32,081
Because there was so much tension,
we got to this certain point,
1219
01:20:32,083 --> 01:20:33,916
and we both bust out laughing.
1220
01:20:33,918 --> 01:20:37,386
Calvin came to me, and he was like,
1221
01:20:37,388 --> 01:20:43,092
"Man, did you know O.J.'s dad is a punk?"
1222
01:20:43,094 --> 01:20:49,532
I was like, "Man, shut up.
I don't wanna hear that."
1223
01:20:49,534 --> 01:20:52,368
Back in our day that was
the worst thing in the world.
1224
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:55,738
That you could ever think
about an African-American man
1225
01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:57,740
being a homosexual.
1226
01:20:57,742 --> 01:20:59,341
Did you ever talk to O.J. about this?
1227
01:20:59,343 --> 01:21:00,009
No.
1228
01:21:00,011 --> 01:21:01,610
Never?
1229
01:21:01,612 --> 01:21:11,253
Mm-mm. I felt like that issue was
enough for him to deal with himself.
1230
01:21:13,257 --> 01:21:17,726
Think of O.J. as an American man,
1231
01:21:17,728 --> 01:21:21,530
a poor American man, tough American man,
1232
01:21:21,532 --> 01:21:29,105
who's recreating himself in ways
that people would accept and push.
1233
01:21:34,712 --> 01:21:38,380
O.J. Simpson may be playing the last
game of his brilliant football career
1234
01:21:38,382 --> 01:21:40,950
tomorrow when the Buffalo Bills
meet the Minnesota Vikings.
1235
01:21:40,952 --> 01:21:44,720
All year, O.J. has hinted he may
hang up his cleats for a movie career.
1236
01:21:47,291 --> 01:21:51,627
He could not wait to get out of Buffalo.
1237
01:21:51,629 --> 01:21:52,895
He was away from the glamour.
1238
01:21:52,897 --> 01:21:55,131
He was away from all the
Hollywood and all that stuff.
1239
01:21:56,601 --> 01:22:01,570
He got attention here, but it
was a different kind of attention.
1240
01:22:01,572 --> 01:22:04,473
It was not Hollywood attention.
1241
01:22:06,077 --> 01:22:09,845
Lou Saban said today that he's
detected a change in The Juice.
1242
01:22:09,847 --> 01:22:12,748
He hasn't diminished
one whit as a competitor,
1243
01:22:12,750 --> 01:22:14,250
but he's an intelligent man,
1244
01:22:14,252 --> 01:22:17,953
and he's thinking about the
whole of his future life.
1245
01:22:17,955 --> 01:22:20,823
There are certain opportunities
outside of football
1246
01:22:20,825 --> 01:22:24,827
that I can't, uh... I just can't
overlook too... too many more years.
1247
01:22:24,829 --> 01:22:27,329
You know, I came into the league,
I thought the world was mine.
1248
01:22:27,331 --> 01:22:29,832
I had a few bad years,
and I realized then that
1249
01:22:29,834 --> 01:22:31,367
"Hey, you know, when
you're hot you're hot,"
1250
01:22:31,369 --> 01:22:34,136
so there's opportunities
that have come to me with ABC,
1251
01:22:34,138 --> 01:22:36,805
with the movies that I would
like to, uh, take advantage of
1252
01:22:36,807 --> 01:22:39,375
and, uh, the only thing I
wanna do right now is play...
1253
01:22:39,377 --> 01:22:42,444
Get the best possible year
I can so if I do retire...
1254
01:22:42,446 --> 01:22:44,813
I... I will feel that
I gave it my all and I,
1255
01:22:44,815 --> 01:22:46,348
you know, uh, went out the best.
1256
01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:50,219
That's your own meretricious
way of saying you want my job.
1257
01:22:50,221 --> 01:22:51,887
Well, you gotta explain
meretricious to me, Howard.
1258
01:22:54,492 --> 01:22:59,395
I always felt that there was
more underneath O.J. Simpson
1259
01:22:59,397 --> 01:23:03,866
than just the momentary
superficiality of his pleasantness.
1260
01:23:06,204 --> 01:23:09,138
He had goals that he wanted to achieve,
1261
01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:10,739
and he internalized those things.
1262
01:23:12,009 --> 01:23:15,644
There was something driving
him, and I always felt
1263
01:23:15,646 --> 01:23:19,014
that he was looking
past a football career,
1264
01:23:19,016 --> 01:23:21,917
which was going to
definitely come to an end.
1265
01:23:23,421 --> 01:23:29,658
We are T-minus 18 seconds from
liftoff. We are T-minus 15 seconds.
1266
01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:31,227
Would you and your men please follow me?
1267
01:23:31,229 --> 01:23:32,494
Gary, what the hell is this?
1268
01:23:32,496 --> 01:23:34,697
This is an emergency.
Please follow me now!
1269
01:23:34,699 --> 01:23:37,900
One of the most intriguing films
now being put together in Hollywood
1270
01:23:37,902 --> 01:23:39,501
is Capricorn One.
1271
01:23:39,503 --> 01:23:43,405
James Brolin plays the first
astronaut to set foot on Mars,
1272
01:23:43,407 --> 01:23:47,076
but the picture's scene-stealer
will probably be O.J. Simpson.
1273
01:23:47,078 --> 01:23:51,280
It basically came from the studio
that they wanted O.J. Simpson.
1274
01:23:51,282 --> 01:23:56,752
I thought there were worthy
African-American actors
1275
01:23:56,754 --> 01:24:00,556
who had paid their dues as
actors, who had shown their talent.
1276
01:24:00,558 --> 01:24:03,792
My first choice was either
Robert Hooks or Bernie Casey,
1277
01:24:03,794 --> 01:24:08,330
so my reaction was less than enthusiastic.
1278
01:24:11,402 --> 01:24:13,402
I had seen Towering Inferno.
1279
01:24:13,404 --> 01:24:17,106
What? Damn it, man, you
shoulda sent a man up there.
1280
01:24:17,108 --> 01:24:19,742
How do you expect her to
hear a phone call? She's deaf.
1281
01:24:19,744 --> 01:24:22,111
I thought he was not gonna
frighten Daniel Day-Lewis.
1282
01:24:23,914 --> 01:24:28,384
O.J. was a celebrity of enormous stature,
1283
01:24:28,386 --> 01:24:32,087
and somebody who had not shown
the chops to play the part.
1284
01:24:32,089 --> 01:24:34,823
How uptight do you get making
a picture like Capricorn One
1285
01:24:34,825 --> 01:24:38,260
where you're working in the company
of actors of... of real stature and...
1286
01:24:38,262 --> 01:24:40,496
and you're just a football
star trying to be an actor?
1287
01:24:40,498 --> 01:24:43,832
No, I don't think, uh, it's
given me that... that feeling.
1288
01:24:43,834 --> 01:24:45,467
It's obviously given me the feeling that,
1289
01:24:45,469 --> 01:24:46,969
"Hey, I've still got a lot to learn."
1290
01:24:46,971 --> 01:24:49,672
I think, uh, you never
stop learning in anything,
1291
01:24:49,674 --> 01:24:53,642
and I... I realize I'm still just
a babe, you know, in the woods.
1292
01:24:53,644 --> 01:24:59,915
My goal was to see if I could make
this guy work for what I wanted.
1293
01:24:59,917 --> 01:25:02,418
Came time to do his last scene.
1294
01:25:02,420 --> 01:25:09,992
Water. Tiny says signs for water.
1295
01:25:09,994 --> 01:25:13,829
He's a guy who's parched and delusional.
1296
01:25:13,831 --> 01:25:16,965
Dry river bed. Signs.
1297
01:25:16,967 --> 01:25:19,835
And so rather than him acting somebody
1298
01:25:19,837 --> 01:25:21,503
who was desperately thirsty...
1299
01:25:21,505 --> 01:25:23,839
... more sign.
1300
01:25:23,841 --> 01:25:27,209
I put appliances on his face that
made it difficult for him to move
1301
01:25:27,211 --> 01:25:32,014
and difficult to talk,
and it just made him sound
1302
01:25:32,016 --> 01:25:34,149
like he was in desperate trouble.
1303
01:25:34,151 --> 01:25:37,619
Elizabeth, there's no water.
1304
01:25:37,621 --> 01:25:46,662
- There's no water.
- I don't want to die.
1305
01:25:46,664 --> 01:25:48,831
And, uh, he was pretty good.
1306
01:25:48,833 --> 01:25:50,299
Elizabeth.
1307
01:25:50,301 --> 01:25:53,369
You know, at the... at
the... What could I say?
1308
01:25:53,371 --> 01:25:56,038
He was a charming, terrific guy.
1309
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,842
He was a positive guy. He tried very hard,
1310
01:25:59,844 --> 01:26:05,047
and it was clear that he saw
a future for himself in film.
1311
01:26:22,566 --> 01:26:25,434
The Daisy was a private
club in Beverly Hills,
1312
01:26:25,436 --> 01:26:27,703
and the only people that could get in it
1313
01:26:27,705 --> 01:26:30,539
were either rich, famous or beautiful.
1314
01:26:30,541 --> 01:26:35,711
All the celebrities used to go
there. And really beautiful girls.
1315
01:26:35,713 --> 01:26:39,448
And you could get in even if
you were underage, no problem.
1316
01:26:41,452 --> 01:26:45,687
Jack Hanson started the disco,
and he knew every Hollywood star.
1317
01:26:45,689 --> 01:26:48,690
Jack was a former USC guy.
1318
01:26:48,692 --> 01:26:52,194
One day he said, "You chum around
a bit with this Simpson guy.
1319
01:26:52,196 --> 01:26:54,963
Could you bring him by, you
know, and introduce him to me?"
1320
01:26:54,965 --> 01:26:57,533
He was married to Marguerite at that time.
1321
01:26:57,535 --> 01:27:01,937
But as we're sitting there, this
gorgeous little surfer blonde
1322
01:27:01,939 --> 01:27:04,106
is waiting tables at lunch hour.
1323
01:27:04,108 --> 01:27:07,209
O.J. goes, "Wow, who's that?"
1324
01:27:07,211 --> 01:27:10,746
Jack had Nicole come over and said hello.
1325
01:27:10,748 --> 01:27:14,883
And she didn't walk 10 feet away,
and he looks right at Hanson and said,
1326
01:27:14,885 --> 01:27:16,785
"I'm gonna marry that girl."
1327
01:27:22,259 --> 01:27:26,595
She was 18 years old, she had
just graduated from high school.
1328
01:27:26,597 --> 01:27:29,164
She was just like my little sister.
1329
01:27:29,166 --> 01:27:34,002
She goes, "I met this man,
and his name is O.J. Simpson."
1330
01:27:34,004 --> 01:27:37,739
They went out, and I waited up for them.
1331
01:27:39,343 --> 01:27:43,345
She got home, it was, like,
2 o'clock in the morning
1332
01:27:43,347 --> 01:27:48,650
and her jeans were ripped. And
I went, "What... ? What happened?"
1333
01:27:48,652 --> 01:27:52,120
And she goes, "Well, he
was a little forceful."
1334
01:27:52,122 --> 01:27:55,290
And I go, "Nicole, why would you let him,
1335
01:27:55,292 --> 01:27:58,026
first date, be a little bit forceful?"
1336
01:27:58,028 --> 01:28:01,797
"Well, Dave, don't be upset. I
think I really like this guy."
1337
01:28:01,799 --> 01:28:03,665
That was, you know, the start of it.
1338
01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:09,137
About two days later, she
went back to work. She said,
1339
01:28:09,139 --> 01:28:14,810
"O.J. came in. He wants to get an
apartment for me and also a car."
1340
01:28:14,812 --> 01:28:16,645
And I went,
1341
01:28:16,647 --> 01:28:21,783
"Nicole, think about this. You
know, he's married and has children."
1342
01:28:21,785 --> 01:28:27,222
And she goes, "But I think I really
like this guy." It was that fast.
1343
01:28:28,792 --> 01:28:32,694
Eighteen years old. I
mean, it was too young.
1344
01:28:35,165 --> 01:28:38,867
She was quiet, nice, didn't say too much.
1345
01:28:38,869 --> 01:28:42,037
She wasn't like she was distant or
anything. She was just a shy person.
1346
01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:48,043
And Nicole was a doer. Whatever
Nicole put her mind to, she could do.
1347
01:28:48,045 --> 01:28:49,645
She actually wanted to be a photographer,
1348
01:28:49,647 --> 01:28:51,980
and she was always an artist.
1349
01:28:53,183 --> 01:28:55,217
Honestly, the connection's pretty obvious.
1350
01:28:55,219 --> 01:28:58,420
I mean, she's drop-dead gorgeous.
1351
01:29:00,224 --> 01:29:04,126
She was hot. My sister was
really a beautiful girl.
1352
01:29:05,829 --> 01:29:09,398
We didn't know who he was. We
were girls in the Brown house.
1353
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,601
We didn't grow up with
football. We went to the beach.
1354
01:29:12,603 --> 01:29:19,074
So when Nicole came home with
him, we were like, "Who are you?"
1355
01:29:19,076 --> 01:29:22,744
They had a real love affair, these two.
1356
01:29:22,746 --> 01:29:26,915
When they were together,
it was just... it was love.
1357
01:29:28,218 --> 01:29:31,019
And that's what makes this thing so sad.
1358
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,000
- Synced and corrected by chamallow -
- www.addic7ed.com -
117559
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.