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(Narrator) Rome.
A city unlike any other in the world.
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It is impossible to determine whether its beauty
resides more in history,
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in its art or its monuments.
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But the charm
of this wonderful metropolis
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is not to be found in these aspects alone.
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Many alleys, streets, squares
even some neighborhoods
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Are rich in stories
that are mixed with legends.
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Suffice it to think
to the myth of its founding.
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Two brothers of divine lineage,
abandoned on the banks of the Tiber,
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and raised by a she-wolf
who became the symbol of the city.
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A legend so famous
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That so many people think it's more real
than it seems.
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It is perhaps because of this
that many of its mysteries
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are related to myth and reality.
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However, one of the
most interesting and disturbing
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resides just outside the city
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and comes to life
in a small medieval village
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now abandoned.
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Galeria Antica.
Our journey starts from here.
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With the help of a team of experts,
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We will figure out how to find the truth
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in the legend of this place.
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In other words, we will prove
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That the supernatural
is more real than it may seem.
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(Alessia) We find ourselves in an ancient
city of Etruscan origin,
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abandoned
during the barbarian invasions
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and then repopulated in the Middle Ages
thanks to Pope Hadrian.
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From that time Galeria prospered
under the auspices of various noble families.
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This was until the 18th century
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with the arrival of malaria
which decimated the population
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and forced the few survivors
to abandon it permanently in 1809.
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On a spur of tuff stone
many dwellings rise
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that once constituted
the beating heart of Galeria
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And which, by now,
are overgrown by vegetation.
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It is a place that because of its layout
and geography
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confuses you
And makes you lose your bearings.
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When you walk you have to be careful
to where you put your feet
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Because it is full of real dangers,
hidden holes and cliffs.
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This is precisely why Jacob and Vanessa
have been here many times,
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to memorize
every stone and tree.
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Vanessa, Jacob,
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why did you choose this place
to start this adventure ?
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Well we chose it because it's
a little bit like home.
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It's a very esoteric, particular place.
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But the whole vibeis good, though.
It's really nice. It's peaceful.
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You don't perceive any negative entities or presences.
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The nice thing is that you lose
the cognition of time a little bit.
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You go in... You know when you go in
But you don't really know when you come out.
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The fact that it feels so peaceful
and this positivity that the place conveys
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surely depends on the fact
that there are Wiccan symbols
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Which are specifically for protecting the place.
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This is very important.
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However, the fact of losing
your bearings a little bit
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is a bit destabilizing, isn't it ?
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(Jacob) It depends
Because as she told you,
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being a place that conveys positive feelings
and positive energies
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you don't get that sense of panic
that in other places might take hold of you...
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- Of bewilderment.
- (Jacob) That's right.
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So even if you find yourself passing
several times in the same place
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And whether you recognize it or not,
it makes no difference.
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You don't feel bad in fact,
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what you feel
Is the desire not to leave, to stay,
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precisely because you're okay.
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Wicca is the most widespread neopagan religion
in the world
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merging within it,
in a kind of syncretism,
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shamanic techniques, Druidic cults
and folk and medieval beliefs.
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Wiccans worship primarily
nature and its cycles.
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There are two symbols found
mainly in the land.
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The first is the Aegishjalmur,
also known as the helmet of terror,
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And it is a kind of star made of straight lines
intersecting at the center
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And which bear, each at the end,
a rune.
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It is a classic symbol of protection
for Viking warriors
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Who used to draw it on their foreheads
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to keep enemies away
And instill fear in them.
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The second is the troll cross.
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It is a clear sign of protection
In the shape of the Odal rune
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Which is used to instill protection
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against dark magic,
against trolls and evil elves.
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Was it malaria
that infested this place?
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That is the official story.
But let's consider it together. Try to think.
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People suddenly ran away.
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Leaving behind all their personal belongings
and the bodies of the deceased
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They fled only
1 kilometer away.
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Why only a kilometer
If it was malaria ?
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Why abandon everything
so abruptly ?
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Why are the bodies left
in the church,
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Which is the most consacrated place
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Instead of taking them to some field,
consecrate that and bury them there ?
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Why everything happened so fast ?
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It could be in reaction
to a big scare, right ?
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Correct.
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(Narrator) Jacob and Vanessa
will be accompanied by Enrico Oetiker,
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an actor with a great passion
for the supernatural.
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His experience
will consist in understanding
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how to make contact
with the spirits of the place.
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He is a bit skeptical
but he will soon have a chance to change his mind.
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- Here we go. Hi.
- Hi.
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- Welcome
- Thank you.
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Are you ready? Do you know what awaits you?
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- I haven't the faintest idea.
- Have you ever talked to the dead?
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Are you ready to do that?
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- With the dead...
- With the dead-- dead.
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- I've never had that happen to me.
- Well, there are many here.
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So many have died here
And not all of them are friendly.
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Good.
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Think about whether you have to spend death
Where you have already spent life, in eternity.
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- Perpetual lockdown.
- (Jacob) Right.
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We have to go there,
of our own free will.
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(Jacob) That's right.
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- Now don't be...
- I can't be bad.
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- Tell him.
- Don't be mean.
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- Seriously, we know the location.
- Okay.
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We have come there several times.
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In general, the feelings are positive.
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- Okay.
- (Vanessa) Okay ?
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We will have a way to really talk to each other
Because we have tools that we will use
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To make a connection
with these entities.
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Sorry to interrupt,
is there anything I need to know ?
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- (Jacob) Sure.
- Things to do or not to do ?
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What you don't have to do
Is leave them gifts
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unless they are
circular or spherical in shape
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Because the object that you leave
Would bind them to you since it is yours.
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Then, when we leave the place,
there will be a ritual phrase to say
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But I'll tell you that one later in my own time.
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As we move forward
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I will instruct you in the correct behavior
to keep here.
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Thank you,
you have already put my mind at ease a lot.
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- You a little less, though...
- And that's not the end of it.
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(Narrator) Before leaving
In search of the ghosts,
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Jacob, Vanessa and Enrico get ready.
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They will be equipped with flashlights
and two-way radios.
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Most importantly, each of them
will wear a body-cam
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to witness what they will see.
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Their experience will still be
documented by our crew
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who will accompany them.
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Enrico still seems to have some doubts
about what he is going to do
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But he will have time to change his mind.
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As did all the people
who have passed through these parts.
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Alessia, on the other hand, will coordinate their actions from base camp
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making sure that everything goes
according to plan,
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following step by step
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the communications that
Jacob and Vanessa will hold with the local entities.
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I wonder if they will turn out to be good... or evil
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Are you ready to go ?
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I will stay at the base camp
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But I will stay in contact with you
thanks to the two-way radios.
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- 2020, no cell phone, huh ?
- No, no... I'll explain right away.
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The cell phone would interfere
with the EK2 ghost box
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And all the rest of the equipment.
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We have to avoid that
If we want to communicate with the entities.
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No problem.
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Perfect, just remember
That if you needed anything at all,
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you get in touch with me
And I will call for help right away, okay ?
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- Fine.
- Help ?
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- Don't worry about it.
- Let's go come on !
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- Lights on, let's go !
- (Enrico) Bye, Alessia.
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- (Vanessa) Bye, Ale.
- (Alessia) Bye.
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(Jacob) I'll bring him back alive if I can
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(Jacob) Galeria is a magical place,
full of positive and negative energy.
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The negative is trapped
by individual Wiccans
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put in place specifically to keep
these negative entities at bay
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While the positive, you are able to experience it
at all times,
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On whatever path you find yourself.
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You feel it, you feel it inside,
it stays with you.
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- Do you feel that the humidity has already risen ?
- So, do you come here often ?
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- We came here many times.
- Yes.
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It is a special place,
I'm sure you'll like it.
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What about a nice evening at home with Netflix ?
No, I'd rather come here...
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No, look actually...
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Our hope is to always find
someone to interact with.
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There are new stories.
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In a way they enrich you inside.
It's a chance to grow.
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Now that we are coming
to the actual entrance
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I'll explain the etiquette, which is critical.
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(Jacob) The rules of etiquette
are paramount
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And one should never forget them.
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It's a bit like visiting
a friend who is still alive.
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We are going to his house and we have to
behave with the utmost respect.
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Enter, introduce ourselves, ask for permission
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and especially don't snap at them
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not even when provoked
by some negative entity
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- ( Enrico) So they also have an etiquette ?
- (Jacob) Yes, it is a form of respect.
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You try to think
(Jacob) entering someone else's house.
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- So you go in and be respectful.
- ( Enrico) Sure.
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From here already we should make a proper introduction,
announcing ourselves,
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Explaining that we are at peace
and that we are friends.
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(Jacob) Here we go.
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This is Jacob. I ask your permission
To enter your abode.
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We are here in peace and friendship.
We are here to communicate.
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(Vanessa) Enrico, come.
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(Jacob) Do you understand
Why I did this ?
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( Enrico) I think so.
To announce your presence ?
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(Jacob) Very good. Let's go into their house.
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Hear that ?
(ENRICO IMITATES A SCREECH)
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- Right ? Something screeching.
- (Vanessa) I heard it, too.
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(Enrico) Oh my, what a scare!
It was as if something was falling.
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- Well, welcome to Galeria !
- (Enrico) Just great, help.
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It was unbelievable.
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We heard a screech, a noise,
I couldn't describe it.
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Although we have been there many times,
Vanessa and I,
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had never heard that noise.
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So, we could say
that we got off on the right foot.
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(Jacob) Stones, rocks, branches.
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Be careful where you put your feet,
the ground is not stable.
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- ( Enrico) Do I have to announce myself as well ?
- (Jacob) Generally, yes.
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Generally, you have to announce yourself.
In this case it is not necessary.
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You are in my group,
I announced myself.
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We are all covered
By my presentation.
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( Enrico) Are we already inside?
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- (Vanessa) Yeah.
- (Jacob) Yeah, we're already in.
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(Vanessa) It always has its charm.
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(Jacob) The construction
Is just what it used to be.
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Stones taken in various sizes
And put there together.
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Look at that structure ! Do you see these stones ?
Placed one by one.
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They used to pass through here,
walked here, lived here.
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There were hundreds of people
And then all of a sudden...
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(SNAPS HIS FINGERS)
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All gone.
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Evey one of them.
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(Vanessa) Let's see if I can feel anything.
You know I have my ritual, right ?
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(Jacob) Vanessa is very sensitive.
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Some would call her "psychic."
I prefer the term "sensitive."
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So she can sense
If there are different vibrations
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In the energy around us.
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Touching the walls,
amplifies this feeling.
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- Hmm...
- (Jacob) Is it promising ?
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I don't know whether to reassure him
Or scare him.
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(Jacob) I think he's scared enough
on his own.
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Here we go, Enrico. This is one of the
most important spots in this place.
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Have you ever seen one like this ?
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This is a Norse-Viking symbol
also used by the Wiccan religion.
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It is a symbol of protection
like so many others found at this location.
233
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Is it a good thing ? Is it good that it's there ?
234
00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,320
Yes, they keep negative forces away
235
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- ( Enrico) Good.
- Let's go.
236
00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,640
- That should put your mind at ease.
- (Enrico) I already feel safer !
237
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The Aegishjalmur
Is an ancient and most powerful symbol.
238
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It really works, so much so
that I covered myself with those, as you can see.
239
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,600
The advice I can give you
Is to always keep it with you !
240
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,480
( Enrico) Is this the core of the place, so to speak?
241
00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,720
- (Jacob) This... Vanessa, you say it.
- (Vanessa) It is the old bell tower.
242
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,280
Here, when there was this...
243
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,400
- (Enrico) Departure ?
- (Vanessa) Yes, that's right.
244
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,600
Because of malaria,
some of the dead were left here.
245
00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,720
- (Vanessa) Here we are.
- We have arrived.
246
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- Ghost box.
- (Enrico) Ghost box ?
247
00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,040
Which is... ?
248
00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,880
It's the tool that we use
to communicate with the entity.
249
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:46,000
It's a radio that scans AM frequencies,
250
00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,640
200 per minute, backwards.
251
00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000
Then... whatever, now you will realize
how it works.
252
00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,880
This is a place...
253
00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,640
Do you remember when I said.
that they had brought the dead into the church ?
254
00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,880
You're right there now.
255
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,360
When it starts,
it will be very loud.
256
00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,160
So don't get scared.
257
00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,400
When you don't know, you get scared.
258
00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,800
Actually there are other things
that should scare you.
259
00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,760
(Vanessa) Okay.
260
00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:30,120
(Jacob) As I was telling you, they were-- here they were...
They actually dumped them in here, the bodies.
261
00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,360
(Vanessa) We decided
To turn on the ghost box.
262
00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,920
As every time, like clockwork
It's like someone is greeting us.
263
00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,680
There is always a sentence that starts the conversation, isn't there ?
264
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,400
As if to say:
"Okay, you have arrived ! Are you there ?"
265
00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,920
- Okay, I'm starting off, huh ?
- (Jacob) Go.
266
00:17:56,360 --> 00:18:01,480
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
267
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,800
- Shall I try to communicate with it ?
- (Jacob) Yes, you are in charge.
268
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,080
As I told you before, she is "sensitive."
others would say "psychic."
269
00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:10,440
(Vanessa) Hello.
270
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,400
(Narrator) Jacob and Vanessa
prepare to make contact
271
00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,680
With one or more entities.
272
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,560
Their work now consists
In looking for the right frequency
273
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,320
And find a communication channel
using a radio.
274
00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:26,080
(Vanessa) Does anyone
wants to communicate with us ?
275
00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:29,760
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
276
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,240
One ?
277
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,720
Is it on the right thing ?
You are on FM, move to AM.
278
00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:56,440
(Narrator) While the ghost finders
Are doing their job,
279
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,360
Enrico makes friends with the local wildlife.
280
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,000
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
281
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,760
Do you want to communicate with us ?
282
00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,560
Look who has come back to visit us.
283
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,200
You know the significance of cats
in the esoteric world, don't you ?
284
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,600
Were they revered by the Egyptians
because they had special qualities ?
285
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,400
The presence of the cat
Is a positive presence
286
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,800
Contrary to popular belief.
287
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,120
The cat accompanies souls
in their paths
288
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,640
And it also becomes the guardian
Of the places where souls find refuge.
289
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,720
(Vanessa) Is there anyone
who wants to talk to us ?
290
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,720
"It's the entities."
291
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,640
Do the entities want to talk to us ?
292
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,960
"Almost."
293
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,800
- I think you have to change it.
- No, it's the right one.
294
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,600
(Jacob) Stay tuned.
295
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,880
(Narrator) As Jacob
explores the ruins,
296
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,400
Vanessa is still focused
on finding the right way to communicate,
297
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,360
in front of Enrico's incredulous gaze.
298
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,680
Can you talk to us ?
299
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,240
We came in peace.
300
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,520
- (Jacob) Okay.
- (Vanessa) Okay.
301
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,280
Can we try to talk
with Senza Affanni then ?
302
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,560
Senza Affanni is the ghost
from a local legend. A...
303
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,200
- "No !"
- What ?
304
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,640
- He said no.
- No ? There is no Senza Affanni ?
305
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,480
"No !"
306
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,400
Why can't we talk
with Senza Affanni ?
307
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,920
He is a minstrel.
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
308
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,240
On winter nights he walks back over
the trail on horseback
309
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,640
In search of his beloved.
310
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,120
Try to take energy
from these instruments.
311
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,120
(Jacob) Apparently hoofbeats can be heard.
(INAUDIBLE VOICE)
312
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,720
Look, I'll shine a flashlight.
Try to get energy from this.
313
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,000
- Isn't that... ?
- (Vanessa) What, it's not ?
314
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,840
(Jacob) I spoke over him.
315
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,960
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
316
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,360
(Vanessa) Get energy from the instruments.
317
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,480
- "Make it disappear."
- (Vanessa) What should I make disappear ?
318
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,960
- What did he say ?
- (Vanessa) "In the sense of..."
319
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,480
- (Jacob) "Make it disappear."
- (Vanessa) What should I make disappear?
320
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,600
- Ask him what you need to make disappear.
- What is it that we need to make disappear ?
321
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,240
- "You."
- Why should I disappear ?
322
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,360
- A ?
- (Jacob) Can you sense anything?
323
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,360
Can you catch any
Of these words ?
324
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,520
Like a flat line.
325
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,280
"Let's hear." Did you hear that ?
326
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,800
That's right, and then like flashes.
327
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,760
(Vanessa) Yes, some of the words
Are really clear.
328
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,320
It was as if the entity was also
curious about what you were feeling.
329
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,360
Look I'll just sit right here,
I want to communicate with you.
330
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,120
We have come...
Your cat friend is also here.
331
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,080
- I heard "Virginia", twice !
- (Jacob) Really ?
332
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:08,480
- (Jacob) The cat will be called Virginia.
- (Vanessa) Are you here?
333
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,920
Did you hear her ?
334
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,120
(Narrator) Vanessa continues the dialogue
with one of the entities of Galeria Antica.
335
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,400
Being a psychic
is definitely helpful to her
336
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,680
To avoid steering the communication
337
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,640
In a wrong direction.
338
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,120
The consequences
could be irreversible.
339
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,400
(Jacob) Can you tell us your name ?
340
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,120
- "Grandfather (nonno)?"
- ( Enrico) No.
341
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,480
- (Vanessa) Did you hear that?
- He said three no's.
342
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,080
Oh !"No, no, no" ?
343
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,960
Why won't you tell us your name ?
344
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,000
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
345
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,880
(Vanessa) I want to talk
With Senza Affanni.
346
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,040
Sorry, may I repeat ?
I heard "fuck off".
347
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,960
Sorry !
348
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,880
I keep hearing swear words, guys.
349
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,120
(Jacob) Can you tell us a word
that lets us know that you know Enrico ?
350
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,440
"Northerner."
351
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,480
I am Swiss.
352
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,560
Northerner ! Without even knowing
where he came from ! Northerner !
353
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,520
Is there anything more to add ?
354
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,600
- What was that voice ?
- Every now and then it would call...
355
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,240
Can you tell us more about him ?
356
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,680
What ?
357
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,640
(Vanessa) Ex ?
358
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,560
(Jacob) Something clearer please.
359
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,000
It is also difficult to communicate
360
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,520
Because of the symbols that are placed here,
which is the reason why...
361
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,480
(Enrico) Are they disturbing ?
362
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,640
- Yes.
- Good.
363
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,440
We chose a quiet place.
Maybe too much so.
364
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,080
If I teased you a little bit maybe
you could give me an answer ?
365
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,560
Will you tell me who you are ?
366
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,800
"No !" A sharp answer. No.
367
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,040
Who are you ?
368
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,400
I am Vanessa, who are you ?
369
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,200
"Abram?" Try introducing yourself, Enrico.
370
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,360
- Do I speak close ?
- (Vanessa) Yes, try.
371
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Hi. I am Enrico.
Do you want to tell me your name ?
372
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,080
Do you want to talk to me ?
373
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,200
- Certainly.
- Certainly.
374
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,520
It's a woman.
375
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,640
Am I talking to a woman ?
376
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,440
- Luca ?
- He is a man. He said it before, too.
377
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,400
Insist.
378
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,240
Do you want to talk to me ?
379
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,640
(Jacob) Enrico has come on purpose
To talk to you.
380
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,360
"Hello." Did you hear that ?
381
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,880
(INAUDIBLE VOICES)
382
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,640
Are you here with us ?
383
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,840
How many of you are there ?
I want to know how many of you are...
384
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,840
- "Five."
- Five.
385
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,960
Did you hear that ?
386
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,480
I can hear you. Are you here near me ?
387
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,480
"The symbols."
Did you hear him say "the symbols" ?
388
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,680
Yes, we saw the symbols.
They probably bother you.
389
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320
I saw fit to walk away.
390
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,640
I thought I was the one
creating interference with the ghost box.
391
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,080
We needed to communicate.
392
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,960
(Vanessa) Are you good entities or bad entities ?
393
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,200
"Bad." You heard it too, very clear.
394
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,200
- Did he say "bad" ?
- Yes, Enrico heard it too.
395
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,520
That's why they struggle to communicate.
396
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,480
(Vanessa) You know perfectly well
That we are not afraid of you.
397
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,840
Have you been confined here ?
398
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,800
"There you go..."
399
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,880
"Don't mind..."
400
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,080
What are you doing, not talking now ?
401
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,800
(Jacob) If you see it going on red
It means that there is something.
402
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,480
(Vanessa) "Always you."
Yes, it's always me.
403
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,280
"Oh God..."
404
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Did you hear that ? "Oh God..."
405
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,280
Maybe you want to talk to an old friend.
Let's call him that.
406
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,560
- OK.
- (Vanessa) OK.
407
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,160
But what if I move the ring ?
408
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,640
(Vanessa) "Eeeh..."
(LAUGHS)
409
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,760
you have been really
bad hosts anyway
410
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,720
because you didn't even
introduce yourselves to Enrico.
411
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,840
"There is no reason."
Did he say there is no reason ?
412
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,120
"It's just that I'm..."
413
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,640
"And I don't..."
414
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,840
"It is a name that..."
415
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,480
All right. I think that...
416
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,560
- (Vanessa) Do we want to stop here ?
- Yes.
417
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760
- We say goodbye to them.
- Yes, you are bad guys. He said "bad guys."
418
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Enrico, when we say hello to them,
419
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,760
we have to remind them
That they don't have to follow us.
420
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,960
The beautiful thing was right at the end.
421
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,040
When we decided to stop
422
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,400
because it didn't seem to be
giving us any kind of interaction,
423
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,840
"bad guys" was clearly heard.
424
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,840
So... well.
425
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,840
They were almost sorry and so were we, a little bit.
426
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Also because if they are bad...
427
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,000
(Vanessa) Yes, let's do it in turn.
You close and I'll close last.
428
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,960
We say goodbye to you.
You stay here and we leave.
429
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,240
We say goodbye to you.
You stay here and we leave.
430
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,240
So, I didn't expect...
431
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,280
The fact of finding a wall, basically.
432
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,680
You didn't want to communicate
Or even take energy.
433
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Look at the bee ! Look at the bee !
It is above me !
434
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,560
(Vanessa) Do you see it ?
435
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,080
Explain this thing about the bees.
436
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,120
(Jacob) Don't point the light at it.
I'll tell you why.
437
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000
It is not an unusual thing
438
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,720
But the lights at night
make them aggressive.
439
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,920
You wait here but don't follow me.
Don't follow me or them.
440
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,040
(Jacob) At night they sleep
But they sense the light.
441
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,120
- For them it's like I'm attacking them.
- Yes.
442
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,120
(Narrator) Vanessa and Jacob end
communication with the entities of Galeria
443
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000
offering their greetings.
444
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Etiquette is always an important thing
445
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,280
especially if you have to talk
to a ghost.
446
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Is it yours ?
447
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,880
Okay. Too bad though, they were...
448
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Let's not point the light at it.
449
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Now maybe in the dark
You give yourself a little shake and she'll fly away.
450
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,240
Yeah, I don't know how much it affects
on what I'm going to say
451
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,200
The fact that I'm like this,
452
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,920
that we are here
And we just did this thing
453
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,280
However, I think I heared that,
as he was skipping frequencies,
454
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,160
he spelled out my last name,
and it's not like my name is Rossi or Bianchi.
455
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720
- Sure.
- I don't know if I am just fooling myself.
456
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,160
- That would be interesting to clean up the audio.
- Absolutely.
457
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,480
See if I imagined it.
458
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Self-deception is always the first
among the possibilities.
459
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,480
But by cleaning up the audio we can find out
if you heard it or if it was your imagination.
460
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,360
However, it is probable, it is possible
that you actually heard it
461
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,080
And that they actually said it.
462
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,720
Let's also remember that he
showed up and that he wanted to communicate,
463
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,720
She told him, "certainly."
464
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,320
- It's true.
- So maybe he liked you.
465
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480
- He didn't want to talk to us.
- We have...
466
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,960
I don't know if it's good, they are bad
And I didn't want them to like me.
467
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,640
They are not always like that, he said
he was bad because he was...
468
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,800
- That one there specifically.
- Exactly.
469
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,680
Consider that there is also the Fugitive here.
470
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:32,160
It is a specter,
an entity that we interacted with,
471
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,320
Who wished to escape from this place
While these symbols confine them here.
472
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,920
From the crossroads, he gave us the exact number
of steps to get to the entrance.
473
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,560
At the first archway.
474
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,960
Counted the number of stones from the bottom
475
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,240
To ask us to remove one
at a particular point.
476
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,480
Did it bother him ?
477
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,840
No, not to him, to everyone,
because there was a closing symbol.
478
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,960
He asked you to move the sign
That held him there.
479
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,520
- So he could get out.
- Yes.
480
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,280
- We stopped in time.
- There's all kinds of entities here.
481
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,040
From the child who died from malaria
Or something else,
482
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,440
To the mother, the torturer,
the delinquent, the vagrant.
483
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,000
- There are so many souls here.
- So many personalities.
484
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,440
The moment you are addressed by
one of these
485
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,000
And it tells you it's bad, it is.
486
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,280
- (Jacob) For sure he is.
- ( Enrico) Shall I take him home tonight ?
487
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,880
(Jacob) Leave nothing behind
And you won't take anything back with you.
488
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,080
Besides, we told him to stay here, didn't we ?
489
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,160
Then, although here there were
all those bodies left behind,
490
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,960
it was still a sacred place.
491
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,800
So, it's quiet, protected.
More or less.
492
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,840
There are other spots in this place
That despite the symbols...
493
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,400
- Are more exposed ?
- Correct.
494
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,760
Despite the symbols,
so imagine how much...
495
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,600
- Charge ?
- Negative.
496
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,560
Shall we go find some more ?
497
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,240
- Are you up for it ? Come on !
- Go on, we're in it now.
498
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:14,960
(Jacob) Once again,
499
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Vanessa proved to be
very communicative with the entities.
500
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:22,720
Every time there was her voice,
there was a subsequent interaction.
501
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,720
Enrico was able to see it
502
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,040
And he was surprised,
very surprised.
503
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,760
How surprised he was !
504
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,160
In fact, later, with the cameras off,
505
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,520
since there were so many of us and that
made communication difficult,
506
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,560
However, with the cameras off,
507
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,800
Enrico told us
what was his fear.
508
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,400
His emotion, yes.
Emotion is the right word.
509
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,480
Enrico became emotional
And he expressed this feeling to us.
510
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,680
He also had tears in his eyes.
But it's cool, you know.
511
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,400
These are things that can happen,
these are investigations.
512
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,000
You never know what's coming.
513
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,600
So, especially for the first one,
514
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,760
Hearing yourself called by your last name
is not a common thing.
515
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,920
Also because
it didn't call by his last name
516
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,400
Someone to whom he introduced himself
517
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,760
Or someone else who was present.
518
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,680
No, it was someone who was on the other side,
in every sense.
519
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:23,720
Then, on the way back
towards the base camp,
520
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,440
he calmed down a bit.
521
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,400
We explained to him
That by not taking anything away
522
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,120
he was not taking any risk.
523
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,560
The entity that had come into contact
with him was not a negative one,
524
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,960
So that relaxed him.
525
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,400
(Narrator) Despite the insistence
of Vanessa,
526
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,560
Enrico prefers to return
to base camp.
527
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,920
You can tell that the experience
has tested him a bit.
528
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,880
He needs to rationalize
what he has just witnessed.
529
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,920
(Jacob) Thank you for welcoming us.
530
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,880
We go now and you stay here.
531
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,840
- (Jacob) Hello Ale.
- Welcome back.
532
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,120
- (Vanessa) Hello, Ale.
- ( Enrico) Hello !
533
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Well ? How did it go?
534
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,720
- How was the experience ?
- Yeah, how was it ?
535
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,400
Definitely strange.
It was not a normal experience.
536
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,680
There was a moment with the ghost box,
537
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,960
I don't know if my mind was playing tricks at me
538
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,520
and how much actually happened,
539
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,720
However, there was a moment
where it became apparent to me
540
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,920
That there was like a discussion
between these entities
541
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,480
About me.
542
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:52,120
When I was called
by Jacob and Vanessa,
543
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,960
I clearly heard comments.
544
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,240
I would be curious to listen to them again
To see how much and whether I imagined that.
545
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,440
It sounded as if these entities
were arguing about me.
546
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,920
I heard for example:
"You are a narcissist."
547
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,160
I can tell you that we had
the feeling of hearing words
548
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,680
though, of course, as we usually do,
549
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,680
we reserve the right to listen to the audio
more carefully and clean it up.
550
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,600
- With the clean audio.
- Correct.
551
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,080
It's reconnecting a little bit,
552
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,640
a lot has happened
in a period of time that by the way...
553
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,880
You were saying the altered
space-time cognition
554
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,840
We went in at six o'clock, I heard
now from the production manager.
555
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,880
Now coming out, it seemed to me
15 minutes had passed,
556
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,760
Instead it's past ten o'clock
557
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,120
So I'm a little bit dazed.
558
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,040
Another crazy thing
Is that when we finished,
559
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,600
I was a little bit disappointed because I didn't have
very clear perceptions.
560
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,920
I looked down and there was a bee
Walking on my leg.
561
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Now I don't know if one necessarily wants to
look for signs where there are none
562
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,440
However, a bee at night I have never seen.
563
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,000
The bee has an explanation.
564
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,760
Although one may at first
be suggested
565
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,200
and believe
that it is a supernatural thing,
566
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,880
Actually, if the bees are caught
At night with artificial light,
567
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,600
they react
as if it were an attack.
568
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,160
- For the hive ?
- Correct.
569
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,240
It's like there is an invasion
So they go out.
570
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,720
They check first and then,
if necessary, they attack.
571
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,800
- Yours was just checking, fortunately.
- Perfect.
572
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,320
Was it difficult to make contact,
a connection with them tonight ?
573
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,480
Were they particularly inclined ?
574
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,240
No, it was a little difficult.
575
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,360
I don't know if that happened because of the newcomer
576
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,080
- Did you ask permission on entering ?
- Yes, of course.
577
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,560
- The bon-ton, the rules.
- Yes, I followed all the etiquette.
578
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,240
- I don't know, maybe because there were so many of us.
- Yes.
579
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,040
- Do you feel calm ? Or are you restless ?
- I am calm.
580
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,680
No, I'm quite...
I don't carry anything negative with me.
581
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,160
Of negative, of heavy.
582
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,040
There, there is a special feeling,
Of electricity in the air.
583
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,120
I am calmer now, though.
584
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,400
Here we are,
in the midst of today's artificial things.
585
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,400
Yeah, come on.
586
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,000
All in all.
it was a good experience, wasn't it ?
587
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,800
I wouldn't say I'd do it again. If you say:
"Shall we do it again ?" No, that was enough for me.
588
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,280
Over dinner, over dinner.
589
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,160
I think tonight you guys were
also quite nice
590
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,960
In seeking this form of communication.
591
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,680
I don't think it's like that for everybody.
592
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,920
They also get disturbed sometimes
593
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,800
By people entering a place
which is rightfully theirs.
594
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,760
- Exactly.
- It is their home.
595
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,840
Are they a little wary ?
596
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,680
Consider this.
597
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,800
Communication tends to
be stronger and more intense
598
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,400
When the entity is negative,
as we said before we started.
599
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,200
Here, thanks in part to the symbols present,
positivity reigns.
600
00:41:55,240 --> 00:42:00,720
Even when they manifest as villains,
and we heared "bad",
601
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,480
They do not have the strength
to induce discomfort.
602
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,800
So one cannot leave
With negative feelings from this place.
603
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,560
There are other places where the negative feeling
already pervades you from afar.
604
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Good thing I was the protagonist
of this episode.
605
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
But still...
606
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,440
Is there anything that has stuck with you ?
607
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,320
Something particular
or that you didn't expect ?
608
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,280
Actually a lot of little things.
609
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,720
Earlier, with the cameras off,
Jacob was telling me.
610
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,200
That when you are in the presence
Of these entities
611
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,560
you should leave something circular
612
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,360
into which these entities can be enclosed
613
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,880
So if anything, leave something
circular or spherical.
614
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,080
As soon as I entered the spot...
I don't know what it's called.
615
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,560
- In the obelisk place.
- The obelisk place.
616
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,480
In the cavity of the wall,
617
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,200
I saw melted wax and a wedding ring,
a ring left there.
618
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,720
It hit me because as soon as I walked in,
I saw this thing.
619
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:10,040
- Then, yes. The feeling of coldness.
- Did you feel a chill on you ?
620
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,120
- Almost the whole time.
- It came to me and then to you.
621
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,920
It came down from below
Instead of coming from where it should.
622
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,800
- Does it happen ?
- Yes, it can happen.
623
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,080
When there are entities, usually
the temperature falls.
624
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,200
- The wind picks up.
- What things can happen ?
625
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:31,480
Many: gusts of wind, yes,
of very cold wind.
626
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,720
The temperatures drop steeply.
627
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,200
That's why we go
With our detectors
628
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,400
That really help us to navigate
from one environment to another.
629
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,920
Is there no explanation ?
630
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,400
I always explain that with airdrafts.
631
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,560
So the warm air goes up,
cold air goes down.
632
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,280
Cold air starts from the bottom
And you can feel it.
633
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,400
However, of course,
634
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,880
Someone could say that these are explanations
That make me...
635
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,440
I mean, that I'm grabbing at straws,
636
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,320
However, I always look for the rational explanation.
637
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,640
As for the bees. Bees at night
They attack the artificial light.
638
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,880
So the cold currents are lower,
and you feel them from below
639
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,840
There are a number of explanations, and I find them.
640
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,040
They are not, let's say
641
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,880
100% reliable, but what is ?
642
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Then there's the cat.
The cat came...
643
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,080
The little furry guardian.
644
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,280
- He came...
- He stood beside me.
645
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,600
Yes, yes.
646
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,040
The nicest thing
Is that as we were leaving,
647
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,720
It seemed to have taken a tour scouting
648
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,080
To make sure no one was left behind.
649
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,440
And then he followed us
on the way back to the base camp.
650
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,520
- Now he's with us.
- Yes.
651
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,360
Eating sandwiches.
652
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Wandering around, yes. Disturbing.
653
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,280
Definitely...
654
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:04,480
Let's say that having a first experience here
is less traumatic than having it elsewhere.
655
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,840
- Definitely.
- It was a preparation.
656
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,200
- Very good.
- Easy.
657
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,200
- You did the internship.
- Good thing.
658
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:11,400
Would you do it again ?
659
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,800
Here, in this condition,
I happen to do it again, like this, yes.
660
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,560
I am afraid of everything
That is bigger than me.
661
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,920
If I were to see
something moving,
662
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,120
Or physically see a presence...
663
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,840
It scares you because you believe it,
because you don't understand it ?
664
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,560
- You can't explain it to yourself ?
- I believe it.
665
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,000
Clearly I couldn't explain it,
666
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,920
Above all, I have a deep respect
for what I do not know fully.
667
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Anyone should have respect
For what he does not know.
668
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,360
When it comes to these things,
669
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,840
I can't be 100% sure,
but when in doubt...
670
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,680
- Sure.
- They're fine there, that's it.
671
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:49,680
Let's also look on the bright side.
672
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,200
The fact that we took you there...
673
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,520
We did studies that, I mean...
674
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,280
Let's look on the bright side...
(IMITATES SCREECHING)
675
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,080
- It was a seagull, what was it ?
- Yes.
676
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:06,160
- The famous "silver lining."
- Nobody brought anything with them.
677
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,680
We were saying that we try to see
the history of a place as well,
678
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,640
just to document ourselves
and not arrive unprepared.
679
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,400
And also becausethe abandoned place is fine,
however you should always have a...
680
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,960
- If you don't know...
- An idea.
681
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,840
If you don't know the history of the place,
682
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,680
you don't know how to relate
With the souls that inhabit it.
683
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,000
- Exactly.
- You must know what century they lived in.
684
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,160
What were their ways,
So that you could relate better.
685
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,600
Everything requires some studying
before beginning.
686
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,920
We do not recommend anyone to do this...
687
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,800
Without due precautions.
688
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,280
That is, with shields and equipment...
689
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:54,400
A base camp where, just in case,
someone could call for help.
690
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,280
- We don't recommend doing it at home, of course.
- Yes.
691
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,120
Let's emphasize this.
692
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,400
Don't do this at home because if you don't have
the right preparation...
693
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,720
Is it possible to get trapped ?
694
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,040
- Trapped, that's right...
- He could take it with him.
695
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,040
- It's always dangerous.
- Yes.
696
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,880
It is a forsaken and dark place.
697
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,520
It is easier to enter into communication
with a negative entity
698
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,840
Than with a positive one.
699
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,960
- Why do you think so ?
- They have more anger.
700
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,360
(Alessia) Has there not been
a definitive passing ?
701
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,080
- Correct.
- A peaceful passing.
702
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:35,360
It tends to be those who perish
by a traumatic or violent death
703
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Who become trapped here.
704
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,560
Not he who dies in peace
Or who receives a decent burial.
705
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,480
So the anger of the living being
Lingers in that entity
706
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,560
And you risk carrying it around.
707
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,360
It is also due to the fact that, maybe,
708
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,920
these people who die violent deaths
Who get trapped and are more...
709
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,840
More obvious and want maybe
a contact with...
710
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,760
With living people ?
711
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,480
Maybe it is also related to the fact
That their loved ones won't let them leave
712
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,080
because they have not passed away peacefully ?
713
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,560
Is it sometimes their loved ones who tend
to trap these people ?
714
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,400
In the case of recent deaths,
it is a possibility.
715
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,320
- But here we're talking about...
- Yes, of course.
716
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,320
These are people who by now I don't think
have any loved ones still living.
717
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,800
I think the loved ones
are gone with them.
718
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,040
However what you say is correct.
719
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Often that desire
of the living
720
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,360
binds here the souls
Of those who want to leave.
721
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,320
- They don't let them leave ?
- Yeah.
722
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,440
The saddest aspect
However, also more usual. - Yeah.
723
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,440
- What are your emotions, Enrico ?
- Right now, they are so many.
724
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,920
I can't even tell how long we were in there
725
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,920
We went in around sundown
726
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,000
And now they just told me
that it's past ten o'clock.
727
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,880
We were in there for four hours
And it felt like ten minutes.
728
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,560
That's a lot of things
In an unquantifiable amount of time
729
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,200
So I should get a hold of myself a little bit.
730
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,480
There were moments
when I felt a sharp chill.
731
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,760
- I felt an electricity in the air.
- Did you get scared ?
732
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,160
More than scared,
733
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,960
it's as if some
parts of me that I didn't know were activated.
734
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,760
So I was feeling a little strange, dazed.
735
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,760
A little bit of tingling and shivering.
736
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Then yes, there was the whole moment
of the ghost box
737
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,400
With all the words,
however confused they came out,
738
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,960
Especially when it came to me.
739
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,360
Maybe because I was paying more attention.
740
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,080
Were you able to make something out ?
741
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,040
- I was able to make out some comments about me.
- What did they say to you ?
742
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,120
A woman told me that I was handsome.
I thank her.
743
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,320
- If you are whatching me...
- Your ego...
744
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,320
A new fan, see.
745
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,240
Another one, who disagreed,
Who said I was narcissistic.
746
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,520
Then they said they were bad...
747
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,600
There were times
when I said, "Oh my God."
748
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,520
- Were they bad or...
- They were.
749
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,480
I asked them, "Are you guys bad ?"
And they repeated, " Bad guys, bad guys."
750
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,840
- Gee !
- Yes. It was crazy ...
751
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,440
Jacob had told me.
That they had an experience with bees.
752
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,320
I had a bee on my leg.
753
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,960
Then I found a ring in a gap
... You were explaining to me...
754
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,400
Yes, if you bring gifts
Or if you leave something behind,
755
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,520
That should absolutely be circular or spherical.
756
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,720
It is the shapes that trap the entity.
757
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,440
Any other kind of gift
or forgotten object
758
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,840
Would bind to the one who forgot it
or the giver to the entity itself.
759
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:02,080
So the giver
Takes the entity home and it's not nice
760
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Since those who tend to communicate
more are the bad ones and not the good ones.
761
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,240
Otherwise everything would be less scary.
762
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,640
- Do you have to leave them every time ?
- No, in fact it is not recommended.
763
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,120
It is recommended to use only etiquette,
764
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,920
So you introduce yourself when you come in,
as we did,
765
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,960
you say goodbye when you leave,
thanking for the hospitality.
766
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,240
But it is never wise to leave stuff
or take anything away.
767
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,560
- Have you guys ever done it ?
- I'll tell you about it next time.
768
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,080
It wasn't nice, of course.
769
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,720
Why, had you forgotten
some items ?
770
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,040
We were intimidated by the presence
we found.
771
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,760
Did you want to appease her ?
772
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,040
No, we forgot
something in our pockets running away.
773
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,200
You took it home...
774
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:52,240
That's right, for a few months it was not
nice what we experienced.
775
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,480
You didn't know that though.
776
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,920
- We figured it out.
- Did you not realize it then ?
777
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,960
We didn't realize until later.
778
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,600
In the meantime were strange things happening
at home ?
779
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,480
- Exactly.
- Like what ?
780
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,440
How can we put it...
781
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,840
So much bad luck all at once.
782
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:17,120
When it's like that, so many times one starts
to wonder, "didn't we maybe...." And whatever.
783
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,200
( Enrico) This is also the reason
Of that constant urge...
784
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,480
- To look for them.
- It's true.
785
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,800
Hoping that nothing had fallen.
"Where is my flashlight ? Who has it ?"
786
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,080
At one point, I thought
Michael Jackson was with us.
787
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,240
Yes, all choreographed because you never know !
788
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,680
You didn't leave any objects ?
789
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,640
I didn't leave anything, nothing.
God forbid !
790
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,840
He was very careful
And he did very well.
791
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,720
He followed everything to the letter, so...
792
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,840
Then he immediately empathized
with his fan.
793
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,320
Yes, I have something going on,
here in Galeria.
794
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Do you now?
795
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,720
Should my relationship go wrong,
I know that I have a suitor here among the ruins.
796
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,720
However, you would have to deal
With the person who called you a narcissist.
797
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,160
- Yes.
- (Jacob) Yeah.
798
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,040
- I'd rather not.
- (Vanessa) Yeah.
799
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,400
I don't think there's any risk
of me coming back here anyway.
800
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,880
- Unless...
- No, no.
801
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,720
Unless you do that like this, come on.
802
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,320
Maybe so. If you guys are there again,
With Alessia waiting for me with the bonfire and all,
803
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,320
then maybe I would.
804
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,960
Let's say that, by myself,
I'd rather choose other shores, other destinations.
805
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,520
Right, that's cool.
806
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,920
I would say that it was
a positive first experience.
807
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,840
- Yes, definitely. Yes.
- We did it!
808
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,040
- Yes we did...
- We are satisfied.
809
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,520
You also changed your mind. You started off...
810
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,240
Little by little,
we will start to rationalize again.
811
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,280
Yes, yes.
812
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,320
How are you coming home compared to before ?
813
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,040
I came here, scared to death,
814
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,320
and convinced
that there might be things.
815
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,200
I definitely had my doubts about the whole thing.
816
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,480
Now it's as if I've added a piece
817
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,920
to a mosaic
that I will never be able to put together
818
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,760
Have you unraveled a little something ?
819
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,800
Something though, a few more pieces of the puzzle
820
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,480
- Entities are not just horror movies.
- Here.
821
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,000
- To be handled with care.
- Correct.
822
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,440
(Narrator) In the following days,
823
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,400
Jacob and Vanessa cleaned up the audio
of the recordings.
824
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,320
However, due to the nature of the content,
825
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,400
have decided
not to release the material.
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