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We are ready.
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Nat, how do you feel?
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I would like to know, what is it
that brings you all to orgasm?
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Yes. The more fingers, the better.
I'll probably ask you for more.
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So, here I am in Barcelona
on my first ever porn shoot.
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I'm sure all of you are
very skilled, but, yes...
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THEY LAUGH
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I really like to touch myself.
So if it's OK for everyone,
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I would like to more, like,
watch you and have sex with myself.
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Mm-hm.
It's OK? Perfect.
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Good luck to everyone,
and let's have a great party!
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Whoo!
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The porn industry is estimated
to be worth up to a whopping
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a hundred billion dollars a year,
with more web traffic than
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Netflix, Amazon
and Twitter combined.
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A US study found 70% of men
and 33% of women watched
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this stuff in the last year,
including me.
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But I don't always feel good
about myself afterwards.
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I think some of it's gross.
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Like, this is really bad.
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And some of it is downright nasty.
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Oh! Oh! This is horrible.
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And I worry about the impact it's
having on the people who use it.
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Whoa! Like, this image is crazy.
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So is there an alternative?
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They're hugging. It's great.
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Can I find porn I feel good about?
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Yeah, go! Come! Whoo!
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Porn.
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All right, come on,
let's talk about porn.
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DOORBELL RINGS
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So, what exactly is pornography?
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Well, it's anything with sexual
content designed to turn you on.
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And today there is a lot of it.
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SHE SIGHS
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OK...
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Every day, there are
hundreds of millions of visits
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to porn sites across the world.
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With most people watching it
on their mobile devices,
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porn is now more accessible
than ever,
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which means you can watch it
anywhere, any time, all the time.
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Guys...do you want some pizza?
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But this frothy fantasy
of cheerleaders and pool boys
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is a long way from the dark reality
of how porn makes me feel.
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I started watching porn pretty young
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and couldn't really come without it
for a long period of time.
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And it wasn't until...
I don't know, a couple of years ago
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when I just started
trying to masturbate without it.
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And it was hard.
And without a sex toy, too.
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Watching porn didn't actually
affect my actual sex life.
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It more just affected
the sex life I had with myself.
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I never watch porn
with my partners.
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Porn was something that was
my own sexual secret or my own
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sexual exploration. And I think,
for me, it made me have
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a lot less respect or a way worse
sexual relationship with myself.
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Porn is quite intense, and I think
it can be quite scary
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when it gives young people
a very skewed way of
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how sex should be
and what intimacy should be.
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The porn industry has always
jumped on new technology,
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from home videos in the '80s,
internet in the '90s
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to free tube sites in the noughties.
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According to Pornhub,
the most popular searches in 2021
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were hentai, Japanese,
lesbian and MILF.
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But things can get pretty extreme.
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In 2020, around 40% of porn
on Xvideos and Pornhub
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included acts
of physical aggression.
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I've seen a lot of porn
that taps into our worst,
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most basic instincts. And banning it
won't make it go away.
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It's really gross, cos especially
even after you watch it
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then you're like,
"Oh, I feel disgusting."
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So am I always going to
find porn a problem?
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Or is it possible to make porn
that doesn't feel quite so...icky?
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Barcelona, porn capital of Europe.
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I've heard that amongst
the many porn producers here,
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there's one fighting to change
the industry for the better.
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And action!
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Erika Lust creates films that
are radically different to the free,
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easily accessible stuff
you find on most porn websites.
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She takes
a totally ethical approach,
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but I wonder -
what does that really mean?
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There's a whole
indie movement, really...
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..smaller production companies
of directors, producers,
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performers who are trying to make
a different kind of porn,
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a porn that is respecting people.
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Plan B...
So we're all set, right?
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So in terms of the porn you make,
why did you end up doing that?
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And what was it about mainstream
porn that is a problem? Mm-hm.
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Well, for me it's the whole
kind of system, I think.
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I think that most of the people
making it are the same kind of men,
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the kind of middle-aged,
white hetero guy,
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and it's his version of porn
that we see.
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And I'm so tired of all this kind of
videos talking about banging,
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smashing, er, nailing...
Pounding. Pounding. Screwing.
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Punish fucking. When you watch
women having sex with these men
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or whatever, you can tell
they're not turned on. It's crazy.
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With mainstream porn today, they are
not interested in human sexuality.
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It's all about
traffic, nasty, dirty,
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ugly as possible to earn money.
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So I wanted to show you a few clips
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to look a little about, you know,
what's wrong with porn.
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Here's a few examples
of an online site.
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So here, what do we see?
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We see two big men and we see a very
young girl. She looks so young.
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If we read the tag line, it says,
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"Tiny teen destroyed
by two giant black dudes."
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And this is an example of
so many things that's wrong,
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the racialisation, also,
of the characters.
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And she obviously looks
much less than 18 years old.
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The problem here is
the marketing, really,
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how they exploit
the idea of a teen girl.
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Like, this is really bad. This is
really bad, that it's accepted.
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So gross. Here's another
really good example.
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This is about "lesbian beauty
tries her first cock and loves it".
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And what is this about?
Well, this is about the idea
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that no woman could really be
a lesbian because most women,
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if they just try cock...
They'll absolutely love it.
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..that's what they want.
Do you think she's really a lesbian?
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I don't think so!
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Yeah, but so many of my straight
girlfriends watch lesbian porn
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and they're like, but that's
their favourite one to watch
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because it's safer
than the other ones.
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Well, I'm like, "It's not really
lesbian sex, either,"
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it's not really anything. And again,
"teen slut used by the whole dorm".
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Look at the language. This is...
There's no end to it.
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And then I have an example that
you are not going to like at all.
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Deep fake. They put your face
on another person's body. Oh!
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Let's see if they...
Oh! This is horrible.
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Have you seen this?
I haven't seen that.
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That is honestly
very shocking to see.
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One of the reasons
why I'm doing it is
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because I want to change
porn culture. I also seen how this
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independent movement around porn
has grown since I started.
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I never even considered or thought
that there was female directors
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in porn. Yeah.
And you know what?
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My audience, around 60%
of the audience are men.
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And I really believe
that if we want to change porn,
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we can't continue
just accepting what's out there.
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What I'm trying to do in my films
is to bring more women into adult
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film-making, because that's
the only way we're going to be
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able to see the perspective shift.
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What she showed me
was, yeah, really horrifying.
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I didn't really understand the
extent of what we were talking about
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in terms of what is there
and available to people for free,
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which makes me believe
in what she does even more so.
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Erika's got me so fired up about
making better porn that I'm going to
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work with her to turn my wildest
fantasies into her new film -
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porn I'm hoping that I can
finally feel good about.
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I was completely desensitised
by the porn I'd watched.
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In my mind, the dangerous part, it's
a lot of female objectification,
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and I think that's when it got
quite dangerous for me.
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But that's what excited me.
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Porn kind of completely
desensitised me to sexual things.
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I definitely wouldn't have done
a lot of the things if I hadn't have
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watched porn. And I definitely
regretted it afterwards.
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I speak to a lot of women
and they have the same feeling,
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and it's horrible. There's
so much shame involved in that.
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And you can't ever unsee
any of that stuff.
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There's a lot of weird shit
in the world!
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# There's always someone
somewhere out there
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# Trying to put dirt on
See? I'm just like human life
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# I've got them things
that I need to work on... #
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And lots of that extreme stuff
is found here - Japan.
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Look, I love this country
so, so much.
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But when it comes to
erotic depictions of women,
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oh, dear, it can be
pretty dark and degrading.
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Akihabara is the beating heart
of Japan's manga industry,
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worth around $5 billion a year.
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We're not allowed to film in here,
but I'm going to go take a look,
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maybe buy some stuff,
and I'll see you in a minute.
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Erotic Japanese art
dates back centuries,
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and in the fantasy world of modern
manga, no fetish is off limits.
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Today, it's a mixture
of softcore, or ecchi,
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and hardcore, hentai.
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And I'm sensing
two main themes here...
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..wildly oversized breasts and
the sexualisation of schoolgirls,
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and both creep me out.
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Whoa! Like, this image is crazy!
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Oh, my God, I just realised
what's happening.
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There's a lot of, like,
cum...everywhere.
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Like, why are her nipples
constantly squirting milk?
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I hope these people are drinking
water, cos there's so much fluid.
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Oh, God.
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To me, this looks like it's
by straight men for straight men.
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But I've been told
there's an erotic manga subculture
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that's way more appealing
to women and less degrading.
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Stay with me here. Yes, Boys Love
is gay sex between men
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but drawn by and aimed at women.
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So I was very fascinated
when I heard
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the opposite of what the male
comic books are was two gay men.
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How is it so different in Boys Love?
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Rather than women
being portrayed as submissive
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and depicted as just taking it,
in Boys Love the sex is between
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two people who are giving
AND receiving pleasure.
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Obviously, BL has
a really positive influence.
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Do you hope it reaches
a wider audience?
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And what do you think
it teaches people?
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I think the thing that surprised me
the most is that I just didn't know
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Boys Love existed in terms of
a comic book that's sexual
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but about the emotions
and about the feelings,
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more like a kind of, like,
romantic erotic novel, let's say.
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And I kind of wish there was
a middle ground that straight men
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could be into that wasn't so sexual.
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We can draw anime.
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I think we need more stuff
like Japan's Boy's Love comics...
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..sexy stories that reflect the full
range of human sexual experience,
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not the same old scenarios I see
time after time in mainstream porn.
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Are we on now? We're on,
we're ready to rock and roll.
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I've had some hot ideas
for Erika Lust's film that
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I want to run past her.
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For me, what I want to capture
is raw, true, real-life intimacy.
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The things that I find
extremely sexy are the forbidden,
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like English repression
in terms of sexuality.
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You know, I remember
watching The Crown,
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because I thought the royal family
and how repressed and crazy uptight
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they were was the hottest thing
in the world.
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I'm English - that shit is hot.
ERIKA LAUGHS
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Get me going. No, but it's something
that people are looking for more
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and more lately, that Bridgerton
porn kind of side. See? See?
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So, for me, inspiration
comes from all over the place -
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a great story or an interesting
character or a location
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that I think, "Wow..." "Wow,
that's hot, to have sex there."
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"..sex in a space like that."
Erika you're the best.
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I cannot wait to work with you.
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It's going to be amazing.
Thank you so much.
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I've realised that not all porn
is problematic.
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Erika's ethical feminist films
and Japan's Boys Love erotica
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give me real hope that there's
positive stuff out there, too.
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In fact, sometimes it can
even be kind of meaningful.
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Should I have the glasses on or off?
I think off.
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Deutschland, meet Gandalf.
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Welcome in Berlin.
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Danke!
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This not-too-shabby Trabi
will be dropping me
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at the Schwules, or gay, Museum.
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It looks pretty ordinary,
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but this place owns the biggest
gay porn stash in all the land,
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more than a million items.
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Straight in at the deep end
with Peter Rehberg.
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Wow, his penis is very large.
Yeah, big dicks.
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Yeah. Large penises.
I'm hot again. Whoo!
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Jokes aside, Peter knows
that porn matters.
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I think that porn is particularly
important for LGBTQI people
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because you have very little
representation of queer people
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in mainstream media to begin with.
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OK, so here we are.
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Oh, wow.
This floor is the archive.
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Porn is a very central moment
of gay culture,
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because through porn you have
access to a gay universe,
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the sense of belonging.
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So, here, this is
the magazine section.
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Playgirl, Playguy. It's like
an encyclopaedia of everything.
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And if we go over here...
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..many VHS tapes!
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Wow! The Pizza Boy 2!
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Oh, my God. There's a lot
of dicks and asses,
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there's not a lot of women
back here. No, it's not.
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The majority is
gay male porn, yes.
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Most of this is commercial porn
from the '80s and '90s.
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I never thought how affirming
it must be to see your own gay
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sexuality reflected back at you.
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To Peter, this stuff
is real-life history.
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This is a safer-sex porn film
produced in '89
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by a German director, Wieland Speck.
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So, the idea here is that
everybody pretended there were no
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condoms, you know,
so you saw people kissing.
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And then it came to the fucking, and
suddenly the guy had a condom on.
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So he decided we'd try
to promote the use of condoms.
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Should we look at it? Yes.
OK, let's move over.
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So, there we go.
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Oh, look, it gives you instruction
of how to use a condom.
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Gummi! Yeah, Gummi is
a German word for rubber.
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So the idea is
to make using a condom sexy.
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When you have a representation
of queer people,
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maybe they are, like,
allowed to hold hands,
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maybe a kiss on the cheek,
but not much more.
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So staid sexuality is of course
ubiquitous. Queer sexuality is not.
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You as a queer teenager,
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no-one is telling you
how queer sex works, right?
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Finding out what your fantasies are,
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pornography has
an important educational value.
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What is happening here? Why is he
so bad at this? I don't know.
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Why's there so much air at the end?
I've never seen that done before.
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THEY LAUGH
Oh, my God!
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That guy's thrilled.
Yeah.
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I love Peter. I want to
go to dinner with Peter
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and I want to talk about
all the different types of porn.
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To be honest, I didn't really
realise how little
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I knew about porn
and especially not queer porn.
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They are drag queens. The drag
queens are beating up the skinheads.
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Yeah, I've never been to Berlin
and done anything like this,
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so it's been really amazing.
I love Berlin!
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Yay! That's a wrap for Berlin.
Thank you! Love you guys.
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Porn is something that, you know,
should be able to be used
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but should be made from different
cultures, from different viewpoints.
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And instead it's made from this
very dominant, male, objectifying
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viewpoint, in my mind,
most of the time.
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So I would just like to see
more diversity in the people that
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write the porn, the people
that direct the porn,
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the people that are in the porn.
I just want it to be real.
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Personally, I think mainstream porn
is too far away from most
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people's real-world experience
of sex. Yet the stats tell us
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we're all consuming
ever-increasing quantities.
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And what happens
when we just can't turn it off?
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I think that porn can
definitely be an escape.
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It's something that you reach for
to help you in what you need,
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what you rely on.
Whoa, was I addicted to porn?
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I wouldn't watch it
every day, for sure.
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I wouldn't need to have
an orgasm every day.
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But I needed to watch it
to have one.
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So, yeah, I mean, that's in its way
its own little addiction to porn.
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OK, so I need to know, is porn
a real addiction in the same
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way as, say, gambling or alcoholism?
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Not everyone believes so,
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but new research is making
scientists think again.
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# School's in session
Get your books out
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# But even if you don't,
you'll be read... #
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The University of California,
San Diego is the site of some
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hardcore research
into our darkest desires.
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This guy spends a lot of time
thinking about, writing about
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and looking at porn. To be fair,
at least he's got an excuse.
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In my research, I try to understand
how does the pornography
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change brain activity and what
we can do to help people quit.
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For him, there's one question
more important than any other -
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can you REALLY get addicted to porn?
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For majority of people, pornographic
watching is just an entertainment.
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They can spend, like, 20 hours
a week watching porn
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and never experience any problem.
But the problem appears
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when you lose control
over where do you watch porn.
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If you start watching in the office,
say, in the public restaurants
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because you have there strong
cravings, then this is the problem -
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not how much, but how do you watch
and when do you watch?
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The average age of patients we've
seen in treatment is around 27.
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So, usually, they have been
watching pornography
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already for about 15, 17 years,
up to 15 hours a day.
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Mateusz looks for signs
of porn addiction in the brain,
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which, according to
the Journal of Sex Research,
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affects four times more men
than women.
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In our studies, we are using FMRI,
which allows us to compare the
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brains of people who struggle
with problematic pornography use
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with those who use porn
but never experience any problems.
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These tests compare the brain
activity of problematic porn
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users to that seen
in gambling and alcohol addicts.
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Mateusz has studied 450 brains
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in his quest to understand
porn's iron grip on our psyche.
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He's now finally got enough
to draw a conclusion.
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So, we find two main differences
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between problematic pornography
users and regular users.
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One is related to
their ventral striatum.
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This is a reward circuit,
and it becomes super sensitive
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for all the triggers
related to pornography watching.
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Looking at pornography stimulates
production of the hormone dopamine,
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part of the brain's reward system.
But frequent porn binges
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make the anticipation part of
the system more sensitive,
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meaning cravings for porn
are triggered more intensely.
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The second one is related to lower
ability to control your behaviour.
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And this is linked
to less grey matter volume
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in the prefrontal cortex.
This is this part of the brain.
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When we compare
problematic pornography users
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with alcohol addicts and gamblers,
the little spots in the prefrontal
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cortex are the places where
there is less grey matter volume
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responsible for the controlling
of those cravings.
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Grey matter covers
the surface of our brains
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and is used to process information.
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We should have
around 40% grey matter,
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but problematic porn users
have less.
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And less grey matter is linked to
addiction, although it's not clear
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whether lower grey matter is a
result or a cause of this addiction.
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It's not just a matter
of your weak will.
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This is a real issue. There are
real changes in your brain.
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And this is similar to what we've
already seen in other addictions.
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Problematic porn use
is now classified
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by the World Health Organization
as a clinical condition.
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That means people have
better access to
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treatment like antidepressants
and psychotherapy.
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It's very difficult to quit porn
once you develop this
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pattern of problematic use.
But there's hope.
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So, what we see among people who are
in treatment is that after a
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few months of abstaining from porn,
those changes in the brain reverse.
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The hypersensitivity decreases.
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This is a real change in the brain,
the restoration of normal function.
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So, the good news for
porn and substance addicts
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is that brain function
can bounce back.
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I'm back in horny-porny,
Spainy Barcelona.
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Ah!
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I love those ideas.
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I'm pitching my ethically sexy ideas
to Erika Lust for her new film,
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porn I'm hoping
won't make me feel so eurgh.
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Don't worry, monarchy fans,
getting down with the crown is out.
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But shaggadelica is in.
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Cara actually had a great idea.
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Well, the thing about
my fantasies are that
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I feel like exploring
time periods and group sex.
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I've always been obsessed
with the '60s and '70s,
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the way everything looked
but also the sexual revolution,
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how everyone was so open and free
and it was
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a very exciting time for that
group sex, voyeurism, exhibitionism,
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just... Yeah, and
good old-fashioned lovemaking.
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So you're thinking like a sex party.
Yes. Like a big orgy.
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Yes! An orgy.
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And we should find some good music
to set kind of the ambience.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! Is it all
female or male? I think everyone.
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The idea of taking it outside the
conventional standard of what sex
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is, right? But is there something
that you find is a turn-on?
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I just want it to be good!
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I'm excited! OK, OK,
we're making it. Yay! Go! OK, bye.
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What kind of porn do you wish
there was more of?
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For me, I think that porn is
really lacking in the female voice
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or at least different voices,
different points of view.
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So much porn, but so much of it
is on the same narrative.
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Even the lesbian porn that's made is
clearly directed by a man for men.
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It's very confusing.
I would rather watch amateur porn
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and real people having sex than
the porn that's made at the moment.
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You really want to see real pleasure
and real intimacy,
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cos otherwise it's just this kind of
very staged, contrived version
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of what love or intimacy
should look like.
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Manhattan - I've heard it's home
to another pioneering woman
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offering an alternative
to the mainstream porn industry,
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swapping the stuff
that really grosses me out...
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You had them in your hand!
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..to focus on what's really...
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Oh, no. Oh, my God!
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..well, real.
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No!
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Real-world sex is way more
innovative,
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way more surprising and way more
arousing than porn will ever be.
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You roll first. For me, wow,
this is love - real, sexy love.
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MakeLoveNotPorn is a paid
subscription video platform
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launched by the entrepreneur
Cindy Gallop.
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We exist to reflect
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the full, glorious spectrum
of human sexuality.
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I am obsessed with where you live.
OK, cool. Right.
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We have to concentrate.
Down to business, though.
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Can you just give me a little taste
of what MakeLoveNotPorn is?
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We are the world's first and only
user-generated, human-curated
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social sex video sharing platform.
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And forget the unreal, filtered
porn-perfect bodies on
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so many mainstream sites.
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Real-world sex is
enormously reassuring
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because we celebrate
real-world everything -
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real-world bodies, real-world
penis sizes, real-world vulvas.
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Bloody love this woman!
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Can you just tell everyone
how you started?
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Basically, MakeLoveNotPorn came
about because I date younger men
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casually, recreationally for sex.
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And I'm deliberately very vocal
about all of that because
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I realised I was experiencing
what happens when today's
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total freedom of access to hardcore
porn online meets our society's
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equally total reluctance to talk
openly and honestly about sex.
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When those two things converge,
porn becomes sex education
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by default in not a good way.
Urgh, yeah.
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So I found myself encountering
a number of sexual behaviours
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in bed and went, "Whoa! I know
where that behaviour's coming from."
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I thought, gosh, if I'm experiencing
this, other people must be as well.
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And I realised I'd uncovered a huge,
global social issue. Incredible.
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So, this video is by Goddess Erica,
and it's them tantric kissing.
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I'll slide it over.
Fantastic.
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GENTLE MUSIC PLAYS
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Oh! So sweet.
Mm.
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It's also just very soothing
to watch, you know? It's... Mm.
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They're just hugging. It's great.
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We get really excited
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when we can expand the definition
of real-world sex.
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Tantric kissing was something
464
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,080
we hadn't had until this video,
which was really exiting.
465
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,520
This isn't making me, like, horny.
Even though it's not NOT making me
466
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,040
horny, it's making me more horny for
intimacy, you know, like craving...
467
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Exactly. ..to be touched
or held or...
468
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,960
THEY LAUGH
..caressed! Yeah. Yeah.
469
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,440
And there's so many of my friends
who are like, yeah,
470
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,880
but there's no dick involved,
there's no real penetration.
471
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,520
It's like... It's just so backwards
about what people believe.
472
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,840
It's pretty obvious to me why this
real-world content is so appealing.
473
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,760
But why, I wonder, would anyone want
to share their sex life online?
474
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,520
Hi, guys! Ahhh! Oh, thank you,
Goddess Erica,
475
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,680
for your amazing video.
How do you guys all know each other?
476
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,680
This is my husband.
We have been married for 13 years,
477
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,240
together for 17, 18.
478
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,760
Um, and Justin is my partner. We
have been together for five years.
479
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Oh, my God. Amazing.
480
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,800
That video made me feel
so much more than I expected.
481
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,040
Like, I actually felt like I wanted
to cry, cos it made me really want
482
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,160
to kiss someone that I felt
intimately for. And I was just like,
483
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,640
"Oh, my God," because the way
you looked at each other, it was
484
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
beautiful, beautiful.
That's one of the nice things
485
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,760
with MakeLoveNotPorn, because I
always like to think that, you know,
486
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,040
with mainstream pornography,
that they are creating the fantasy.
487
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,960
But on MakeLoveNotPorn,
you have people taking that fantasy
488
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680
and turning it into a reality.
Guys, thank you so much.
489
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,280
I really can't thank you enough.
490
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,320
My whole eyes have been opened
so much by Cindy
491
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,040
and seeing your videos, and I'm
like, "My God, I found my new thing.
492
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,800
"This is so great." Thank you!
493
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,480
# What you gonna do, do?
494
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,760
# What you gonna do?
You gonna come closer? #
495
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,720
I think Cindy's platform
is ethical, real and raunchy.
496
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,760
But here's the tricky bit -
497
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,600
you've got to pay for it. And a lot
of people want to get their kicks
498
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,640
for free, which means they're going
to turn to the usual, maybe less
499
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,080
than ethical suspects
for their porn.
500
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,520
So, what to do?
501
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,680
Justine Ang Fonte has a tough job.
502
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,200
She teaches porn literacy
to young people -
503
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,000
in a nutshell, how to think
critically about mainstream porn
504
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,920
that requires one or two clicks
and no subscriptions.
505
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,640
As a health educator working in
a school setting, we're seeing young
506
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,760
people being exposed to pornography
as young as eight years old.
507
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,240
So, Cara, what was
your first experience with porn?
508
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,280
You know, for me, I was like,
509
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,360
"I'm a little kid who already
doesn't feel like they belong."
510
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,520
I didn't know what I was - queer
or genderfluid. Like, I didn't know.
511
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,120
So the whole thing was confusing.
I've been teaching
512
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,480
pornography literacy for nine years.
It's a lot about safety.
513
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:16,520
It's about looking at what they
might be seeing is not accurate.
514
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,480
This is an entertainment industry
and not something that is
515
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,000
meant to define me
or explain who I am.
516
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,400
I started watching porn
when I was fairly young.
517
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,360
That's how I was introduced to sex.
Yeah. How old?
518
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,120
Around 11, 12.
Yeah.
519
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,280
It definitely made me feel like
I have to be thin and have big boobs
520
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,880
and be shaved, like, everywhere.
I think I must be the youngest here!
521
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880
My experiences, my first thoughts
really came from playing
522
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:52,360
video games and being exposed to
images that had sexual intonations.
523
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Then I started
becoming more curious.
524
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,320
I was able to stumble upon
porn websites,
525
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,080
and that was around the age of ten.
526
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,280
I was, like, 14 or so. "I know
I'm gay. OK, lesbian porn."
527
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,520
And that was a mistake.
It didn't have a kind of
528
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,760
sense of pleasure
for anyone who didn't have a dick.
529
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,440
I didn't like lesbian porn.
530
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,880
When I look at a woman like that,
that's not what I was, either.
531
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,200
My wish would be to show women,
really, how sensitive they are.
532
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,200
Like when you touch someone's hand
for a long period of time,
533
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,320
it will turn on their whole body.
Like, just to show that the whole
534
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,800
body of a woman is a sexual organ.
535
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,000
Teaching pornography literacy
in schools,
536
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,360
do you all even think
it should be in schools?
537
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,800
Everyone has sex ed.
No. No.
538
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,320
Every school doesn't do sex ed?
No.
539
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,080
And even schools that ARE
teaching this are not necessarily
540
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,200
bringing up pornography.
They're talking about how to prevent
541
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,280
getting pregnant,
how to not contract an infection.
542
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,400
A lot of my students
are using mainstream pornography
543
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,840
as the main instruction manual.
That is normalising the lack
544
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,520
of consent, the lack of intimacy.
So that's extremely destructive.
545
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,600
I think porn was created
to be a wildly inaccurate
546
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,840
fantasy of our sexuality and
we are meant to consume it as such.
547
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,120
Honestly, I'd like to see
porn literacy on the curriculum
548
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,320
in all schools in the US and the UK.
549
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,040
We need to help
young people understand
550
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,920
that this shit is not real.
551
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,920
I think a lot of teenage boys
think that they'll be a pizza
552
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,320
delivery boy and they'll just
go to a house one day
553
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,480
and then suddenly one girl
will fuck 'em randomly.
554
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,880
That's just not going to happen.
555
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,080
I can't say fuck. Fuck me,
fuck shit, fuck fuck.
556
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,760
Porn has definitely skewed
all of our visions of what sex is,
557
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,760
but especially for poor young boys
that don't know
558
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,480
and their parents won't tell them
and their teachers won't speak
559
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,600
to them about what sex is.
That's all they know.
560
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,760
I think the whole porn industry
needs to just take a step up
561
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,920
and go up a level, because porn
should be educational.
562
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,120
And at the moment it's just
educating people in the exact
563
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,960
opposite way. It's just now becoming
something that is a dangerous thing
564
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,440
that we can't stop kids
from watching.
565
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,120
And it's changing
how the world looks at sex.
566
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,480
# I am not that shape
that you thought I was... #
567
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Ready?
568
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,520
We are on the way back in Barcelona
to watch Erika direct
569
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,960
the porn film
loosely based on my fantasies.
570
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,640
So I'm very excited.
571
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,360
Um, a little bit nervous!
572
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,480
When you were thinking
about kind of the '60s,
573
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,880
was it something like this
you had imagined?
574
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,640
No, the details are wonderful,
from my wildest dreams.
575
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,240
It is really, really pretty.
I love it.
576
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,720
So what are you doing right now?
Well, I'm preparing the next shoot,
577
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,880
where we actually get to know
the performers.
578
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,360
The cool bubble around here, please.
579
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,320
So professional. So cool!
580
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,480
Now, I know that Erika's films
are all about inclusivity,
581
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,640
respect, consensual sex etc,
582
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,520
but this next bit I honestly
could not have imagined...
583
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,760
..a consent chat with the cast
that's on camera,
584
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,840
an actual part of the film.
585
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,880
Done. OK. And action.
586
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,880
This is a talk about
your personal sex boundaries.
587
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,680
Bishop, what do you think?
588
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,160
THEY LAUGH
589
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520
My back is actually
quite a sensitive space,
590
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,640
but, like, impact play
is actually fine.
591
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,840
I'm pretty into giving,
592
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,720
so, like, blow jobs, rimming,
but I'm also open to receiving.
593
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,360
Other than that, I come easy.
Great, thank you.
594
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Nat, how do you feel?
595
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,680
I would be happy to receive
everything besides, er,
596
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,280
no spit on the face.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right?
597
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,320
THEY LAUGH
598
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,040
I'm pretty easy with
almost everything, minus anal sex
599
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,280
and playing with my nipples.
They're too sensitive to touch.
600
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,600
And I also would like to know, what
is it that brings you all to orgasm?
601
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,800
Yeah. OK, well, in that case,
play with my balls.
602
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,640
Play with my balls. Lick them,
suck them, play with them.
603
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400
That will help me. Gotcha.
Orgasm? Balls.
604
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,320
If you feel that something
is not going the way you want,
605
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,560
please communicate it.
606
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,840
Well, good luck to everyone,
and let's have a great party!
607
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,360
Thank you. And cut.
608
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160
I love this, because I think that
makes the whole statement, I think.
609
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,520
James Bond.
James Bond! My Bond girl.
610
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,800
It looks unbelievable.
611
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,920
I think when I imagined what
a female-led or female director,
612
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,960
generally what that set would
look like, it would kind of be
613
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,200
like this. I hoped it to be.
614
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,200
We need to just see
the nipple tassel. Let's move.
615
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,960
Whoo!
616
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,360
What each person's preferences are,
what their limits are,
617
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,160
what makes them reach an orgasm,
what makes them comfortable,
618
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,840
what makes them uncomfortable.
Just making my dreams come true
619
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,280
in terms of what it should be.
After filming sex personally,
620
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,880
all angles of sex
aren't good, right?
621
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Not all angles are good!
No, they're not.
622
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Not everything is gorgeous.
623
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,640
No, not everything is stunning.
I'm just saying.
624
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,440
Do you give directions
when they're having sex?
625
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,360
No. No, not that much.
I give directions before.
626
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,640
We're going to talk about
the light and the best angles
627
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,160
and the best places and that.
Right, so then they can...
628
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,560
But then when we start,
we let it kind of run.
629
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,360
That's amazing.
630
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,880
You know, just the average
general conversations are about
631
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,320
don't squirt on the sofa or...
632
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,400
OK, let's do it!
633
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,880
MUSIC STARTS
Music.
634
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,360
Dancing.
635
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,880
Action.
636
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,720
Good!
637
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:11,960
Yes!
638
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,760
Sexy!
639
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,440
Yes! That looks great.
640
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,880
As the director, I'm really trying
always to prioritise women
641
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,640
when I'm searching for people.
I can see the difference.
642
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:45,240
I can see how they focus
not only on the women as objects
643
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,200
but also on the men.
644
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,520
And it's not only about
the person behind the camera,
645
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,080
it's about the whole crew,
646
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,480
because in the end,
it's in all the small decisions.
647
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,520
So I think it's very important
in the process of constructing
648
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,680
the story you want to tell.
649
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,360
That is a wrap. We have a wrap.
650
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,800
Whoo!
651
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,120
So ends my time
with Lady Lust and team.
652
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,320
Always good to go out with a bang.
653
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,720
Thank you!
654
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,480
It wasn't that strange, was it?
Not at all. Sex is way more scary!
655
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Bishop! Let's do a selfie.
656
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,280
Hello, darling. How are we doing?
All right, love?
657
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,560
There's just such a world
of difference between the films
658
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,960
that Erika produces and
the worst kinds of mainstream porn.
659
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,760
There's boundaries,
respect and care.
660
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,840
No-one's exploited
and everyone's included.
661
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,040
I came in kind of like,
"Why would you pay for porn?"
662
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,240
You pay for an experience,
you pay for the safety of others.
663
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,840
It was just thoroughly enjoyable
because you could see how
664
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,200
they got comfortable
and then you could see people really
665
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,240
enjoying themselves, and that's
what you pay for - for the realness,
666
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,920
but you also know that
they're going to be treated right.
667
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,000
That's the most important thing, cos
you get really attached to them all.
668
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,360
I was like, "Yeah, go! Come! Whoo!"
669
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,560
I don't know. That was amazing.
I'm like, "Ah, you get it."
670
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,240
I want to high-five all of them.
It was wonderful.
671
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,280
I think that the best thing
that people could really do is to
672
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:27,360
pay for their porn and support
creators and performers.
673
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,440
That's how you make a difference
in the world.
674
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960
Not all porn is the same.
675
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,320
I was just very happy to see
sex being represented in a way
676
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,000
that I knew it was in real life.
677
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,560
If I had seen that kind of porn when
I was a teenager or kid, I would've
678
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,520
felt more respected and asked for
what I wanted as a woman a lot more.
679
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,760
The first time
I asked a man for what
680
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,080
I actually wanted in bed was
this year, and I'm 29 years old.
681
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,800
Like, that's insane.
682
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,840
Porn is problematic
but it's not the problem.
683
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,560
Instead of blaming porn,
which is what we're doing,
684
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,520
we're not taking porn
and changing the narrative.
685
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,120
There is a healthy way
that porn can be made and watched,
686
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,360
ranging from, like, amateur porn,
Cindy Gallop, MakeLoveNotPorn,
687
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,440
or Erika Lust, an ethical feminist,
but more equality-type porn.
688
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,080
But the problem
is we're just shoved
689
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,040
so much of this tube porn and
the quantity of it down our throats
690
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,600
and you just can't see
anything else.
691
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,720
But there is so much more
out there to explore.
692
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,120
Like sexuality, you should
explore porn just the same.
693
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,240
That's a banger. That's a real...
That's a banger!
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