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We are ready.

Nat, how do you feel?

I would like to know, what is it that brings you all to orgasm?

Yes. The more fingers, the better. I'll probably ask you for more.

So, here I am in Barcelona on my first ever porn shoot.

I'm sure all of you are very skilled, but, yes...

THEY LAUGH

I really like to touch myself. So if it's OK for everyone,

I would like to more, like, watch you and have sex with myself.

Mm-hm. It's OK? Perfect.

Good luck to everyone, and let's have a great party!

Whoo!

The porn industry is estimated to be worth up to a whopping

a hundred billion dollars a year, with more web traffic than

Netflix, Amazon and Twitter combined.

A US study found 70% of men and 33% of women watched

this stuff in the last year, including me.

But I don't always feel good about myself afterwards.

I think some of it's gross.

Like, this is really bad.

And some of it is downright nasty.

Oh! Oh! This is horrible.

And I worry about the impact it's having on the people who use it.

Whoa! Like, this image is crazy.

So is there an alternative?

They're hugging. It's great.

Can I find porn I feel good about?

Yeah, go! Come! Whoo!

Porn.

All right, come on, let's talk about porn.

DOORBELL RINGS

So, what exactly is pornography?

Well, it's anything with sexual content designed to turn you on.

And today there is a lot of it.

SHE SIGHS

OK...

Every day, there are hundreds of millions of visits

to porn sites across the world.

With most people watching it on their mobile devices,

porn is now more accessible than ever,

which means you can watch it anywhere, any time, all the time.

Guys...do you want some pizza?

But this frothy fantasy of cheerleaders and pool boys

is a long way from the dark reality of how porn makes me feel.

I started watching porn pretty young

and couldn't really come without it for a long period of time.

And it wasn't until... I don't know, a couple of years ago

when I just started trying to masturbate without it.

And it was hard. And without a sex toy, too.

Watching porn didn't actually affect my actual sex life.

It more just affected the sex life I had with myself.

I never watch porn with my partners.

Porn was something that was my own sexual secret or my own

sexual exploration. And I think, for me, it made me have

a lot less respect or a way worse sexual relationship with myself.

Porn is quite intense, and I think it can be quite scary

when it gives young people a very skewed way of

how sex should be and what intimacy should be.

The porn industry has always jumped on new technology,

from home videos in the '80s, internet in the '90s

to free tube sites in the noughties.

According to Pornhub, the most popular searches in 2021

were hentai, Japanese, lesbian and MILF.

But things can get pretty extreme.

In 2020, around 40% of porn on Xvideos and Pornhub

included acts of physical aggression.

I've seen a lot of porn that taps into our worst,

most basic instincts. And banning it won't make it go away.

It's really gross, cos especially even after you watch it

then you're like, "Oh, I feel disgusting."

So am I always going to find porn a problem?

Or is it possible to make porn that doesn't feel quite so...icky?

Barcelona, porn capital of Europe.

I've heard that amongst the many porn producers here,

there's one fighting to change the industry for the better.

And action!

Erika Lust creates films that are radically different to the free,

easily accessible stuff you find on most porn websites.

She takes a totally ethical approach,

but I wonder - what does that really mean?

There's a whole indie movement, really...

..smaller production companies of directors, producers,

performers who are trying to make a different kind of porn,

a porn that is respecting people.

Plan B... So we're all set, right?

So in terms of the porn you make, why did you end up doing that?

And what was it about mainstream porn that is a problem? Mm-hm.

Well, for me it's the whole kind of system, I think.

I think that most of the people making it are the same kind of men,

the kind of middle-aged, white hetero guy,

and it's his version of porn that we see.

And I'm so tired of all this kind of videos talking about banging,

smashing, er, nailing... Pounding. Pounding. Screwing.

Punish fucking. When you watch women having sex with these men

or whatever, you can tell they're not turned on. It's crazy.

With mainstream porn today, they are not interested in human sexuality.

It's all about traffic, nasty, dirty,

ugly as possible to earn money.

So I wanted to show you a few clips

to look a little about, you know, what's wrong with porn.

Here's a few examples of an online site.

So here, what do we see?

We see two big men and we see a very young girl. She looks so young.

If we read the tag line, it says,

"Tiny teen destroyed by two giant black dudes."

And this is an example of so many things that's wrong,

the racialisation, also, of the characters.

And she obviously looks much less than 18 years old.

The problem here is the marketing, really,

how they exploit the idea of a teen girl.

Like, this is really bad. This is really bad, that it's accepted.

So gross. Here's another really good example.

This is about "lesbian beauty tries her first cock and loves it".

And what is this about? Well, this is about the idea

that no woman could really be a lesbian because most women,

if they just try cock... They'll absolutely love it.

..that's what they want. Do you think she's really a lesbian?

I don't think so!

Yeah, but so many of my straight girlfriends watch lesbian porn

and they're like, but that's their favourite one to watch

because it's safer than the other ones.

Well, I'm like, "It's not really lesbian sex, either,"

it's not really anything. And again, "teen slut used by the whole dorm".

Look at the language. This is... There's no end to it.

And then I have an example that you are not going to like at all.

Deep fake. They put your face on another person's body. Oh!

Let's see if they... Oh! This is horrible.

Have you seen this? I haven't seen that.

That is honestly very shocking to see.

One of the reasons why I'm doing it is

because I want to change porn culture. I also seen how this

independent movement around porn has grown since I started.

I never even considered or thought that there was female directors

in porn. Yeah. And you know what?

My audience, around 60% of the audience are men.

And I really believe that if we want to change porn,

we can't continue just accepting what's out there.

What I'm trying to do in my films is to bring more women into adult

film-making, because that's the only way we're going to be

able to see the perspective shift.

What she showed me was, yeah, really horrifying.

I didn't really understand the extent of what we were talking about

in terms of what is there and available to people for free,

which makes me believe in what she does even more so.

Erika's got me so fired up about making better porn that I'm going to

work with her to turn my wildest fantasies into her new film -

porn I'm hoping that I can finally feel good about.

I was completely desensitised by the porn I'd watched.

In my mind, the dangerous part, it's a lot of female objectification,

and I think that's when it got quite dangerous for me.

But that's what excited me.

Porn kind of completely desensitised me to sexual things.

I definitely wouldn't have done a lot of the things if I hadn't have

watched porn. And I definitely regretted it afterwards.

I speak to a lot of women and they have the same feeling,

and it's horrible. There's so much shame involved in that.

And you can't ever unsee any of that stuff.

There's a lot of weird shit in the world!

# There's always someone somewhere out there

# Trying to put dirt on See? I'm just like human life

# I've got them things that I need to work on... #

And lots of that extreme stuff is found here - Japan.

Look, I love this country so, so much.

But when it comes to erotic depictions of women,

oh, dear, it can be pretty dark and degrading.

Akihabara is the beating heart of Japan's manga industry,

worth around $5 billion a year.

We're not allowed to film in here, but I'm going to go take a look,

maybe buy some stuff, and I'll see you in a minute.

Erotic Japanese art dates back centuries,

and in the fantasy world of modern manga, no fetish is off limits.

Today, it's a mixture of softcore, or ecchi,

and hardcore, hentai.

And I'm sensing two main themes here...

..wildly oversized breasts and the sexualisation of schoolgirls,

and both creep me out.

Whoa! Like, this image is crazy!

Oh, my God, I just realised what's happening.

There's a lot of, like, cum...everywhere.

Like, why are her nipples constantly squirting milk?

I hope these people are drinking water, cos there's so much fluid.

Oh, God.

To me, this looks like it's by straight men for straight men.

But I've been told there's an erotic manga subculture

that's way more appealing to women and less degrading.

Stay with me here. Yes, Boys Love is gay sex between men

but drawn by and aimed at women.

So I was very fascinated when I heard

the opposite of what the male comic books are was two gay men.

How is it so different in Boys Love?

Rather than women being portrayed as submissive

and depicted as just taking it, in Boys Love the sex is between

two people who are giving AND receiving pleasure.

Obviously, BL has a really positive influence.

Do you hope it reaches a wider audience?

And what do you think it teaches people?

I think the thing that surprised me the most is that I just didn't know

Boys Love existed in terms of a comic book that's sexual

but about the emotions and about the feelings,

more like a kind of, like, romantic erotic novel, let's say.

And I kind of wish there was a middle ground that straight men

could be into that wasn't so sexual.

We can draw anime.

I think we need more stuff like Japan's Boy's Love comics...

..sexy stories that reflect the full range of human sexual experience,

not the same old scenarios I see time after time in mainstream porn.

Are we on now? We're on, we're ready to rock and roll.

I've had some hot ideas for Erika Lust's film that

I want to run past her.

For me, what I want to capture is raw, true, real-life intimacy.

The things that I find extremely sexy are the forbidden,

like English repression in terms of sexuality.

You know, I remember watching The Crown,

because I thought the royal family and how repressed and crazy uptight

they were was the hottest thing in the world.

I'm English - that shit is hot. ERIKA LAUGHS

Get me going. No, but it's something that people are looking for more

and more lately, that Bridgerton porn kind of side. See? See?

So, for me, inspiration comes from all over the place -

a great story or an interesting character or a location

that I think, "Wow..." "Wow, that's hot, to have sex there."

"..sex in a space like that." Erika you're the best.

I cannot wait to work with you.

It's going to be amazing. Thank you so much.

I've realised that not all porn is problematic.

Erika's ethical feminist films and Japan's Boys Love erotica

give me real hope that there's positive stuff out there, too.

In fact, sometimes it can even be kind of meaningful.

Should I have the glasses on or off? I think off.

Deutschland, meet Gandalf.

Welcome in Berlin.

Danke!

This not-too-shabby Trabi will be dropping me

at the Schwules, or gay, Museum.

It looks pretty ordinary,

but this place owns the biggest gay porn stash in all the land,

more than a million items.

Straight in at the deep end with Peter Rehberg.

Wow, his penis is very large. Yeah, big dicks.

Yeah. Large penises. I'm hot again. Whoo!

Jokes aside, Peter knows that porn matters.

I think that porn is particularly important for LGBTQI people

because you have very little representation of queer people

in mainstream media to begin with.

OK, so here we are.

Oh, wow. This floor is the archive.

Porn is a very central moment of gay culture,

because through porn you have access to a gay universe,

the sense of belonging.

So, here, this is the magazine section.

Playgirl, Playguy. It's like an encyclopaedia of everything.

And if we go over here...

..many VHS tapes!

Wow! The Pizza Boy 2!

Oh, my God. There's a lot of dicks and asses,

there's not a lot of women back here. No, it's not.

The majority is gay male porn, yes.

Most of this is commercial porn from the '80s and '90s.

I never thought how affirming it must be to see your own gay

sexuality reflected back at you.

To Peter, this stuff is real-life history.

This is a safer-sex porn film produced in '89

by a German director, Wieland Speck.

So, the idea here is that everybody pretended there were no

condoms, you know, so you saw people kissing.

And then it came to the fucking, and suddenly the guy had a condom on.

So he decided we'd try to promote the use of condoms.

Should we look at it? Yes. OK, let's move over.

So, there we go.

Oh, look, it gives you instruction of how to use a condom.

Gummi! Yeah, Gummi is a German word for rubber.

So the idea is to make using a condom sexy.

When you have a representation of queer people,

maybe they are, like, allowed to hold hands,

maybe a kiss on the cheek, but not much more.

So staid sexuality is of course ubiquitous. Queer sexuality is not.

You as a queer teenager,

no-one is telling you how queer sex works, right?

Finding out what your fantasies are,

pornography has an important educational value.

What is happening here? Why is he so bad at this? I don't know.

Why's there so much air at the end? I've never seen that done before.

THEY LAUGH Oh, my God!

That guy's thrilled. Yeah.

I love Peter. I want to go to dinner with Peter

and I want to talk about all the different types of porn.

To be honest, I didn't really realise how little

I knew about porn and especially not queer porn.

They are drag queens. The drag queens are beating up the skinheads.

Yeah, I've never been to Berlin and done anything like this,

so it's been really amazing. I love Berlin!

Yay! That's a wrap for Berlin. Thank you! Love you guys.

Porn is something that, you know, should be able to be used

but should be made from different cultures, from different viewpoints.

And instead it's made from this very dominant, male, objectifying

viewpoint, in my mind, most of the time.

So I would just like to see more diversity in the people that

write the porn, the people that direct the porn,

the people that are in the porn. I just want it to be real.

Personally, I think mainstream porn is too far away from most

people's real-world experience of sex. Yet the stats tell us

we're all consuming ever-increasing quantities.

And what happens when we just can't turn it off?

I think that porn can definitely be an escape.

It's something that you reach for to help you in what you need,

what you rely on. Whoa, was I addicted to porn?

I wouldn't watch it every day, for sure.

I wouldn't need to have an orgasm every day.

But I needed to watch it to have one.

So, yeah, I mean, that's in its way its own little addiction to porn.

OK, so I need to know, is porn a real addiction in the same

way as, say, gambling or alcoholism?

Not everyone believes so,

but new research is making scientists think again.

# School's in session Get your books out

# But even if you don't, you'll be read... #

The University of California, San Diego is the site of some

hardcore research into our darkest desires.

This guy spends a lot of time thinking about, writing about

and looking at porn. To be fair, at least he's got an excuse.

In my research, I try to understand how does the pornography

change brain activity and what we can do to help people quit.

For him, there's one question more important than any other -

can you REALLY get addicted to porn?

For majority of people, pornographic watching is just an entertainment.

They can spend, like, 20 hours a week watching porn

and never experience any problem. But the problem appears

when you lose control over where do you watch porn.

If you start watching in the office, say, in the public restaurants

because you have there strong cravings, then this is the problem -

not how much, but how do you watch and when do you watch?

The average age of patients we've seen in treatment is around 27.

So, usually, they have been watching pornography

already for about 15, 17 years, up to 15 hours a day.

Mateusz looks for signs of porn addiction in the brain,

which, according to the Journal of Sex Research,

affects four times more men than women.

In our studies, we are using FMRI, which allows us to compare the

brains of people who struggle with problematic pornography use

with those who use porn but never experience any problems.

These tests compare the brain activity of problematic porn

users to that seen in gambling and alcohol addicts.

Mateusz has studied 450 brains

in his quest to understand porn's iron grip on our psyche.

He's now finally got enough to draw a conclusion.

So, we find two main differences

between problematic pornography users and regular users.

One is related to their ventral striatum.

This is a reward circuit, and it becomes super sensitive

for all the triggers related to pornography watching.

Looking at pornography stimulates production of the hormone dopamine,

part of the brain's reward system. But frequent porn binges

make the anticipation part of the system more sensitive,

meaning cravings for porn are triggered more intensely.

The second one is related to lower ability to control your behaviour.

And this is linked to less grey matter volume

in the prefrontal cortex. This is this part of the brain.

When we compare problematic pornography users

with alcohol addicts and gamblers, the little spots in the prefrontal

cortex are the places where there is less grey matter volume

responsible for the controlling of those cravings.

Grey matter covers the surface of our brains

and is used to process information.

We should have around 40% grey matter,

but problematic porn users have less.

And less grey matter is linked to addiction, although it's not clear

whether lower grey matter is a result or a cause of this addiction.

It's not just a matter of your weak will.

This is a real issue. There are real changes in your brain.

And this is similar to what we've already seen in other addictions.

Problematic porn use is now classified

by the World Health Organization as a clinical condition.

That means people have better access to

treatment like antidepressants and psychotherapy.

It's very difficult to quit porn once you develop this

pattern of problematic use. But there's hope.

So, what we see among people who are in treatment is that after a

few months of abstaining from porn, those changes in the brain reverse.

The hypersensitivity decreases.

This is a real change in the brain, the restoration of normal function.

So, the good news for porn and substance addicts

is that brain function can bounce back.

I'm back in horny-porny, Spainy Barcelona.

Ah!

I love those ideas.

I'm pitching my ethically sexy ideas to Erika Lust for her new film,

porn I'm hoping won't make me feel so eurgh.

Don't worry, monarchy fans, getting down with the crown is out.

But shaggadelica is in.

Cara actually had a great idea.

Well, the thing about my fantasies are that

I feel like exploring time periods and group sex.

I've always been obsessed with the '60s and '70s,

the way everything looked but also the sexual revolution,

how everyone was so open and free and it was

a very exciting time for that group sex, voyeurism, exhibitionism,

just... Yeah, and good old-fashioned lovemaking.

So you're thinking like a sex party. Yes. Like a big orgy.

Yes! An orgy.

And we should find some good music to set kind of the ambience.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! Is it all female or male? I think everyone.

The idea of taking it outside the conventional standard of what sex

is, right? But is there something that you find is a turn-on?

I just want it to be good!

I'm excited! OK, OK, we're making it. Yay! Go! OK, bye.

What kind of porn do you wish there was more of?

For me, I think that porn is really lacking in the female voice

or at least different voices, different points of view.

So much porn, but so much of it is on the same narrative.

Even the lesbian porn that's made is clearly directed by a man for men.

It's very confusing. I would rather watch amateur porn

and real people having sex than the porn that's made at the moment.

You really want to see real pleasure and real intimacy,

cos otherwise it's just this kind of very staged, contrived version

of what love or intimacy should look like.

Manhattan - I've heard it's home to another pioneering woman

offering an alternative to the mainstream porn industry,

swapping the stuff that really grosses me out...

You had them in your hand!

..to focus on what's really...

Oh, no. Oh, my God!

..well, real.

No!

Real-world sex is way more innovative,

way more surprising and way more arousing than porn will ever be.

You roll first. For me, wow, this is love - real, sexy love.

MakeLoveNotPorn is a paid subscription video platform

launched by the entrepreneur Cindy Gallop.

We exist to reflect

the full, glorious spectrum of human sexuality.

I am obsessed with where you live. OK, cool. Right.

We have to concentrate. Down to business, though.

Can you just give me a little taste of what MakeLoveNotPorn is?

We are the world's first and only user-generated, human-curated

social sex video sharing platform.

And forget the unreal, filtered porn-perfect bodies on

so many mainstream sites.

Real-world sex is enormously reassuring

because we celebrate real-world everything -

real-world bodies, real-world penis sizes, real-world vulvas.

Bloody love this woman!

Can you just tell everyone how you started?

Basically, MakeLoveNotPorn came about because I date younger men

casually, recreationally for sex.

And I'm deliberately very vocal about all of that because

I realised I was experiencing what happens when today's

total freedom of access to hardcore porn online meets our society's

equally total reluctance to talk openly and honestly about sex.

When those two things converge, porn becomes sex education

by default in not a good way. Urgh, yeah.

So I found myself encountering a number of sexual behaviours

in bed and went, "Whoa! I know where that behaviour's coming from."

I thought, gosh, if I'm experiencing this, other people must be as well.

And I realised I'd uncovered a huge, global social issue. Incredible.

So, this video is by Goddess Erica, and it's them tantric kissing.

I'll slide it over. Fantastic.

GENTLE MUSIC PLAYS

Oh! So sweet. Mm.

It's also just very soothing to watch, you know? It's... Mm.

They're just hugging. It's great.

We get really excited

when we can expand the definition of real-world sex.

Tantric kissing was something

we hadn't had until this video, which was really exiting.

This isn't making me, like, horny. Even though it's not NOT making me

horny, it's making me more horny for intimacy, you know, like craving...

Exactly. ..to be touched or held or...

THEY LAUGH ..caressed! Yeah. Yeah.

And there's so many of my friends who are like, yeah,

but there's no dick involved, there's no real penetration.

It's like... It's just so backwards about what people believe.

It's pretty obvious to me why this real-world content is so appealing.

But why, I wonder, would anyone want to share their sex life online?

Hi, guys! Ahhh! Oh, thank you, Goddess Erica,

for your amazing video. How do you guys all know each other?

This is my husband. We have been married for 13 years,

together for 17, 18.

Um, and Justin is my partner. We have been together for five years.

Oh, my God. Amazing.

That video made me feel so much more than I expected.

Like, I actually felt like I wanted to cry, cos it made me really want

to kiss someone that I felt intimately for. And I was just like,

"Oh, my God," because the way you looked at each other, it was

beautiful, beautiful. That's one of the nice things

with MakeLoveNotPorn, because I always like to think that, you know,

with mainstream pornography, that they are creating the fantasy.

But on MakeLoveNotPorn, you have people taking that fantasy

and turning it into a reality. Guys, thank you so much.

I really can't thank you enough.

My whole eyes have been opened so much by Cindy

and seeing your videos, and I'm like, "My God, I found my new thing.

"This is so great." Thank you!

# What you gonna do, do?

# What you gonna do? You gonna come closer? #

I think Cindy's platform is ethical, real and raunchy.

But here's the tricky bit -

you've got to pay for it. And a lot of people want to get their kicks

for free, which means they're going to turn to the usual, maybe less

than ethical suspects for their porn.

So, what to do?

Justine Ang Fonte has a tough job.

She teaches porn literacy to young people -

in a nutshell, how to think critically about mainstream porn

that requires one or two clicks and no subscriptions.

As a health educator working in a school setting, we're seeing young

people being exposed to pornography as young as eight years old.

So, Cara, what was your first experience with porn?

You know, for me, I was like,

"I'm a little kid who already doesn't feel like they belong."

I didn't know what I was - queer or genderfluid. Like, I didn't know.

So the whole thing was confusing. I've been teaching

pornography literacy for nine years. It's a lot about safety.

It's about looking at what they might be seeing is not accurate.

This is an entertainment industry and not something that is

meant to define me or explain who I am.

I started watching porn when I was fairly young.

That's how I was introduced to sex. Yeah. How old?

Around 11, 12. Yeah.

It definitely made me feel like I have to be thin and have big boobs

and be shaved, like, everywhere. I think I must be the youngest here!

My experiences, my first thoughts really came from playing

video games and being exposed to images that had sexual intonations.

Then I started becoming more curious.

I was able to stumble upon porn websites,

and that was around the age of ten.

I was, like, 14 or so. "I know I'm gay. OK, lesbian porn."

And that was a mistake. It didn't have a kind of

sense of pleasure for anyone who didn't have a dick.

I didn't like lesbian porn.

When I look at a woman like that, that's not what I was, either.

My wish would be to show women, really, how sensitive they are.

Like when you touch someone's hand for a long period of time,

it will turn on their whole body. Like, just to show that the whole

body of a woman is a sexual organ.

Teaching pornography literacy in schools,

do you all even think it should be in schools?

Everyone has sex ed. No. No.

Every school doesn't do sex ed? No.

And even schools that ARE teaching this are not necessarily

bringing up pornography. They're talking about how to prevent

getting pregnant, how to not contract an infection.

A lot of my students are using mainstream pornography

as the main instruction manual. That is normalising the lack

of consent, the lack of intimacy. So that's extremely destructive.

I think porn was created to be a wildly inaccurate

fantasy of our sexuality and we are meant to consume it as such.

Honestly, I'd like to see porn literacy on the curriculum

in all schools in the US and the UK.

We need to help young people understand

that this shit is not real.

I think a lot of teenage boys think that they'll be a pizza

delivery boy and they'll just go to a house one day

and then suddenly one girl will fuck 'em randomly.

That's just not going to happen.

I can't say fuck. Fuck me, fuck shit, fuck fuck.

Porn has definitely skewed all of our visions of what sex is,

but especially for poor young boys that don't know

and their parents won't tell them and their teachers won't speak

to them about what sex is. That's all they know.

I think the whole porn industry needs to just take a step up

and go up a level, because porn should be educational.

And at the moment it's just educating people in the exact

opposite way. It's just now becoming something that is a dangerous thing

that we can't stop kids from watching.

And it's changing how the world looks at sex.

# I am not that shape that you thought I was... #

Ready?

We are on the way back in Barcelona to watch Erika direct

the porn film loosely based on my fantasies.

So I'm very excited.

Um, a little bit nervous!

When you were thinking about kind of the '60s,

was it something like this you had imagined?

No, the details are wonderful, from my wildest dreams.

It is really, really pretty. I love it.

So what are you doing right now? Well, I'm preparing the next shoot,

where we actually get to know the performers.

The cool bubble around here, please.

So professional. So cool!

Now, I know that Erika's films are all about inclusivity,

respect, consensual sex etc,

but this next bit I honestly could not have imagined...

..a consent chat with the cast that's on camera,

an actual part of the film.

Done. OK. And action.

This is a talk about your personal sex boundaries.

Bishop, what do you think?

THEY LAUGH

My back is actually quite a sensitive space,

but, like, impact play is actually fine.

I'm pretty into giving,

so, like, blow jobs, rimming, but I'm also open to receiving.

Other than that, I come easy. Great, thank you.

Nat, how do you feel?

I would be happy to receive everything besides, er,

no spit on the face. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right?

THEY LAUGH

I'm pretty easy with almost everything, minus anal sex

and playing with my nipples. They're too sensitive to touch.

And I also would like to know, what is it that brings you all to orgasm?

Yeah. OK, well, in that case, play with my balls.

Play with my balls. Lick them, suck them, play with them.

That will help me. Gotcha. Orgasm? Balls.

If you feel that something is not going the way you want,

please communicate it.

Well, good luck to everyone, and let's have a great party!

Thank you. And cut.

I love this, because I think that makes the whole statement, I think.

James Bond. James Bond! My Bond girl.

It looks unbelievable.

I think when I imagined what a female-led or female director,

generally what that set would look like, it would kind of be

like this. I hoped it to be.

We need to just see the nipple tassel. Let's move.

Whoo!

What each person's preferences are, what their limits are,

what makes them reach an orgasm, what makes them comfortable,

what makes them uncomfortable. Just making my dreams come true

in terms of what it should be. After filming sex personally,

all angles of sex aren't good, right?

Not all angles are good! No, they're not.

Not everything is gorgeous.

No, not everything is stunning. I'm just saying.

Do you give directions when they're having sex?

No. No, not that much. I give directions before.

We're going to talk about the light and the best angles

and the best places and that. Right, so then they can...

But then when we start, we let it kind of run.

That's amazing.

You know, just the average general conversations are about

don't squirt on the sofa or...

OK, let's do it!

MUSIC STARTS Music.

Dancing.

Action.

Good!

Yes!

Sexy!

Yes! That looks great.

As the director, I'm really trying always to prioritise women

when I'm searching for people. I can see the difference.

I can see how they focus not only on the women as objects

but also on the men.

And it's not only about the person behind the camera,

it's about the whole crew,

because in the end, it's in all the small decisions.

So I think it's very important in the process of constructing

the story you want to tell.

That is a wrap. We have a wrap.

Whoo!

So ends my time with Lady Lust and team.

Always good to go out with a bang.

Thank you!

It wasn't that strange, was it? Not at all. Sex is way more scary!

Bishop! Let's do a selfie.

Hello, darling. How are we doing? All right, love?

There's just such a world of difference between the films

that Erika produces and the worst kinds of mainstream porn.

There's boundaries, respect and care.

No-one's exploited and everyone's included.

I came in kind of like, "Why would you pay for porn?"

You pay for an experience, you pay for the safety of others.

It was just thoroughly enjoyable because you could see how

they got comfortable and then you could see people really

enjoying themselves, and that's what you pay for - for the realness,

but you also know that they're going to be treated right.

That's the most important thing, cos you get really attached to them all.

I was like, "Yeah, go! Come! Whoo!"

I don't know. That was amazing. I'm like, "Ah, you get it."

I want to high-five all of them. It was wonderful.

I think that the best thing that people could really do is to

pay for their porn and support creators and performers.

That's how you make a difference in the world.

Not all porn is the same.

I was just very happy to see sex being represented in a way

that I knew it was in real life.

If I had seen that kind of porn when I was a teenager or kid, I would've

felt more respected and asked for what I wanted as a woman a lot more.

The first time I asked a man for what

I actually wanted in bed was this year, and I'm 29 years old.

Like, that's insane.

Porn is problematic but it's not the problem.

Instead of blaming porn, which is what we're doing,

we're not taking porn and changing the narrative.

There is a healthy way that porn can be made and watched,

ranging from, like, amateur porn, Cindy Gallop, MakeLoveNotPorn,

or Erika Lust, an ethical feminist, but more equality-type porn.

But the problem is we're just shoved

so much of this tube porn and the quantity of it down our throats

and you just can't see anything else.

But there is so much more out there to explore.

Like sexuality, you should explore porn just the same.

That's a banger. That's a real... That's a banger!