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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,335 --> 00:00:03,099 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:03,170 --> 00:00:06,834 sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous. 3 00:00:06,907 --> 00:00:08,034 In New York City, 4 00:00:08,108 --> 00:00:10,873 the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies 5 00:00:10,944 --> 00:00:14,608 are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. 6 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:16,650 These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,852 --> 00:00:22,220 Yeah. Okay, thanks. Come on. 8 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:25,458 Go, go, go! 9 00:00:38,605 --> 00:00:42,064 Police! NYPD! We have a search warrant! 10 00:00:44,011 --> 00:00:45,536 What the hell? 11 00:00:46,213 --> 00:00:47,613 Somebody got here before us. 12 00:00:47,681 --> 00:00:50,310 Secure it. I don't want any surprises. 13 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:52,314 Too late. 14 00:01:00,294 --> 00:01:02,126 I better call in SVU. 15 00:01:02,496 --> 00:01:04,931 We are not handing this bust over to them. 16 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:08,592 Don't worry. I got a buddy. 17 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:10,731 Better be good. 18 00:01:10,804 --> 00:01:12,830 Anonymous phone tip said somebody was dealing. 19 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:16,399 We surveilled a week, caught a lot of traffic in and out of this place. 20 00:01:16,476 --> 00:01:21,847 Get our warrant, bust in, find our alleged dealer sliced and diced. 21 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:25,408 Signs of burglary, and by her appearance I'm guessing she's been raped, too. 22 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:29,889 But, you know, I wanted a trained SVU detective like yourself on the case. 23 00:01:29,957 --> 00:01:32,483 Rape-homicide falls on SVU no matter what. 24 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:35,085 You didn't have to hand it to me personally. 25 00:01:35,162 --> 00:01:37,996 There's a big haul here. Looks good for my guys to turn it in. 26 00:01:38,065 --> 00:01:41,467 Yeah, right. You get all the glory and we get all the work. 27 00:01:41,535 --> 00:01:45,939 So you trying to tell me that Laura Ashley here is some kind of big kingpin? 28 00:01:46,006 --> 00:01:47,474 Where are the drugs? 29 00:01:47,541 --> 00:01:49,100 You didn't get the complete tour. 30 00:02:00,487 --> 00:02:02,012 Over two hundred plants. 31 00:02:02,089 --> 00:02:04,388 Pull in a couple of hundred thou on the street. 32 00:02:06,293 --> 00:02:08,262 Perp missed the jackpot. 33 00:02:57,244 --> 00:03:00,840 M.E. estimates TOD yesterday between 9:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. 34 00:03:00,914 --> 00:03:03,440 Looked like about 30 to 40 stab wounds. 35 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:04,780 Overkill. 36 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:08,286 He either knew her well enough to hate her or he's psychotic. 37 00:03:08,355 --> 00:03:10,166 Point of entry looks like the fire escape window. 38 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:12,056 Perp probably waltzed out the front door. 39 00:03:12,125 --> 00:03:14,560 Got minimal fluids from the rape kit, but enough to test. 40 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:15,755 You locate a murder weapon? 41 00:03:15,829 --> 00:03:16,888 Must've taken it with him. 42 00:03:16,963 --> 00:03:18,932 Three-inch, single-edged, non-serrated blade. 43 00:03:18,999 --> 00:03:21,127 About the size of the knife missing from this? 44 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:23,397 Yeah. The other weapon he left behind. 45 00:03:25,038 --> 00:03:27,166 Bashed in the back of her head before he stabbed her. 46 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,869 Probably enough to knock her out. No defensive wounds. 47 00:03:29,943 --> 00:03:32,310 It's not the most obvious weapon. 48 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:34,280 So she surprises him. 49 00:03:35,248 --> 00:03:37,126 Probably picked up the first thing he could grab. 50 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:40,450 Then he walks all the way across the apartment for a knife? 51 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,998 This guy's logic is all over the place. 52 00:03:42,022 --> 00:03:44,048 Maybe he's mentally ill. Or high. 53 00:03:44,124 --> 00:03:46,787 He covered Mrs. Oestreicher with this. 54 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:51,161 By the amount of blood on the blanket, I'd say right after he stabbed her. 55 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:55,259 So afterwards he gets remorseful, embarrassed? 56 00:03:55,335 --> 00:03:56,826 And then sick. 57 00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:01,534 Our guy must have thrown up. 58 00:04:01,942 --> 00:04:03,638 It's too far away to be the victim's. 59 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:05,021 Okay, let's send a sample to the M.E. 60 00:04:05,045 --> 00:04:07,857 We can compare it to the stomach contents of our victim, just to be sure. 61 00:04:07,881 --> 00:04:08,940 I love my job. 62 00:04:09,015 --> 00:04:10,526 What do we know about this anonymous phone tip? 63 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:12,041 Narcotics traced it to a neighbor. 64 00:04:12,119 --> 00:04:14,384 Said she's nosy, but not homicidal. 65 00:04:14,454 --> 00:04:16,855 I thought anonymous tip meant anonymous. 66 00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:19,085 Like nobody would bug you about doing your civic duty. 67 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:20,670 We certainly don't mean to inconvenience you. 68 00:04:20,694 --> 00:04:23,357 But there was a woman murdered in your building. 69 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:24,989 I know. I'm sorry about that. 70 00:04:25,065 --> 00:04:27,694 But you live that kind of life, you're asking for it. 71 00:04:27,768 --> 00:04:29,361 And what kind of life is that? 72 00:04:29,436 --> 00:04:32,429 Criminal. You should've been here when she was sparking up. 73 00:04:32,506 --> 00:04:33,850 Just walking down the hall you'd get a buzz. 74 00:04:33,874 --> 00:04:35,900 Marc, get in there and brush those teeth now. 75 00:04:35,976 --> 00:04:37,672 So you reported Mrs. Oestreicher 76 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:41,511 as a drug dealer because you smelled dope. That was the only reason? 77 00:04:41,581 --> 00:04:43,880 What about the daily Easter parade? 78 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:48,183 In and out of there, people banging on the door all hours of the day. 79 00:04:48,255 --> 00:04:52,090 Did you ever actually see any of these deals, any money changing hands? 80 00:04:52,159 --> 00:04:56,028 No. No, but if she wasn't selling, I don't know where she got her money. 81 00:04:56,096 --> 00:04:58,622 She hasn't worked a day in over a year. 82 00:04:58,698 --> 00:05:00,098 Autopsy's done. 83 00:05:00,167 --> 00:05:02,796 So are the preliminary labs on the fluids from the rape kit. 84 00:05:02,869 --> 00:05:04,303 Anything interesting? 85 00:05:04,371 --> 00:05:05,737 Your perp had no sperm. 86 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:07,798 Interesting and pathetic. 87 00:05:07,874 --> 00:05:11,538 I'm not talking low sperm count. This is azoospermia. 88 00:05:11,611 --> 00:05:14,877 Zero sperm in the ejaculate. It's pretty rare. 89 00:05:14,948 --> 00:05:16,746 So our guy got a vasectomy. 90 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:18,581 That's one explanation for it. 91 00:05:18,652 --> 00:05:22,453 It's also a sign of Kartagener's Syndrome and Cystic Fibrosis. 92 00:05:22,522 --> 00:05:25,788 The lab can still extract DNA from the skin cells in the sample. 93 00:05:25,859 --> 00:05:27,384 And they're analyzing the vomit. 94 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:28,928 We know who puked? 95 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:32,523 Victim hadn't eaten in hours, so it had to come from your perp. 96 00:05:32,599 --> 00:05:34,534 As far as Miss Oestreicher is concerned, 97 00:05:34,601 --> 00:05:37,628 I suspect she would have died within the year, had she not been murdered. 98 00:05:37,704 --> 00:05:38,933 What was wrong with her? 99 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:40,906 Advanced ovarian cancer. 100 00:05:40,974 --> 00:05:43,808 She has small radiation burns on the skin of her abdomen, 101 00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:46,437 and blood tests reveal Taxol and carboplatin. 102 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:48,072 She was undergoing chemotherapy. 103 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:50,049 That explains why she didn't have a job. 104 00:05:50,116 --> 00:05:52,085 And why she was growing pot. 105 00:05:52,152 --> 00:05:55,264 Must have been using it to counteract the side effects of the cancer treatment. 106 00:05:55,288 --> 00:05:57,655 Decent levels of THC in her system. 107 00:05:57,724 --> 00:05:59,522 But that woman was growing a forest in there. 108 00:05:59,593 --> 00:06:01,562 You think she was toking on all that by herself? 109 00:06:01,628 --> 00:06:02,652 Maybe she wasn't. 110 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:05,255 You know, medicinal marijuana clubs are popping up everywhere. 111 00:06:05,332 --> 00:06:08,700 People are pooling their resources, growing their own stuff. 112 00:06:08,768 --> 00:06:10,930 Better product without having to pay street prices. 113 00:06:11,004 --> 00:06:13,940 Well, if she's running a club, then there has to be a membership list. 114 00:06:18,311 --> 00:06:19,802 How many people we looking at? 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,576 According to her day planner, nearly 100. 116 00:06:21,648 --> 00:06:24,049 But there's no names. She only writes initials. 117 00:06:24,117 --> 00:06:27,178 We got C.K. down the second Monday of every month. 118 00:06:27,254 --> 00:06:29,018 J.A.S. every other Saturday. 119 00:06:29,089 --> 00:06:31,649 Probably a schedule. Members take turns tending the crop. 120 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:33,284 Why the hell you know so much about it? 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,524 Twenty-five years on the job and he's still a damn hippie. 122 00:06:36,596 --> 00:06:40,260 Okay, I got the phone dumps from Susan Oestreicher for the past six months. 123 00:06:40,333 --> 00:06:43,079 We got to match the names with the initials and weed out the potheads. 124 00:06:43,103 --> 00:06:45,265 Find one club member, might lead us to the rest. 125 00:06:45,338 --> 00:06:48,035 Convincing somebody to turn over that list is not going to be easy. 126 00:06:48,108 --> 00:06:51,772 People looking at a narcotics rap tend to be real cooperative. 127 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:54,190 Threatening cancer patients. Now, that's why I became a cop. 128 00:06:54,214 --> 00:06:57,048 They're breaking the law. I don't care how sick they are. 129 00:06:57,117 --> 00:07:00,519 Do you have any idea why cannabis is illegal in this country? 130 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:02,488 Because William Randolph Hearst's paper mills 131 00:07:02,555 --> 00:07:03,995 were threatened by the hemp industry. 132 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:06,391 And that's got nothing to do with the fact that it's a drug. 133 00:07:06,459 --> 00:07:07,950 What do you call alcohol and tobacco? 134 00:07:08,028 --> 00:07:09,462 Legal. 135 00:07:09,529 --> 00:07:10,792 Here we go. 136 00:07:10,864 --> 00:07:13,197 For the initials C.K., we've got a Cindy Kerber. 137 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:18,796 C.K. C.K. Charles Kelsey, Christian Kessler. This is going to be fun. 138 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:19,999 We'll run them all down. 139 00:07:20,073 --> 00:07:22,941 If they had access to the victim, they're all suspects. 140 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:28,438 We know about your club, Miss Kerber. 141 00:07:28,515 --> 00:07:30,507 Then I assume you found what we were growing. 142 00:07:30,583 --> 00:07:32,779 Pretty tough to miss. You guys have very green thumbs. 143 00:07:32,852 --> 00:07:35,253 We're not hurting anyone and we're not making a profit. 144 00:07:35,322 --> 00:07:37,223 We are investigating a murder. 145 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:40,158 Now, all we need are the other names of the members in the club. 146 00:07:40,226 --> 00:07:42,024 The rest is between us. 147 00:07:42,095 --> 00:07:44,564 I don't know most of the people involved. We don't socialize. 148 00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:46,342 Give us the names of the people you do know. 149 00:07:46,366 --> 00:07:48,096 I'm sorry. I can't. 150 00:07:48,168 --> 00:07:49,796 This woman was raped. 151 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:51,428 She was stabbed 38 times. 152 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:55,032 You don't want to help us in our investigation? That is very strange to me. 153 00:07:55,108 --> 00:07:57,100 Because it wasn't anyone in the club. 154 00:07:57,177 --> 00:08:01,080 Some of these people were debilitated from nausea, from chemotherapy. 155 00:08:01,147 --> 00:08:05,847 The only thing that controls my tremors from M.S. is smoking once in a while. 156 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:07,945 Why would we kill the woman who was helping us? 157 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:10,752 Maybe she was helping the wrong person. 158 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:13,885 Somebody's sick, doesn't make them an angel. 159 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,694 There was some trouble with this one woman, Becky. Not her, really. Her husband. 160 00:08:18,765 --> 00:08:20,700 What kind of trouble? 161 00:08:20,767 --> 00:08:25,330 He threatened Sue. Said she hooked his wife on drugs. 162 00:08:25,405 --> 00:08:27,874 Becky was dying from metastatic breast cancer, 163 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:30,342 and he wouldn't allow her the tiniest bit of relief. 164 00:08:30,410 --> 00:08:32,379 Well, do you think that he's capable of murder? 165 00:08:32,445 --> 00:08:34,107 I know his own wife was afraid of him. 166 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:38,777 Especially after he broke some guy's back in a bar fight. Went to jail for it. 167 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:40,286 I wouldn't touch that bitch. 168 00:08:40,353 --> 00:08:43,915 Isn't it refreshing to hear such militant adherence to the "Just Say No" philosophy? 169 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:45,014 It's so rare in convicts. 170 00:08:45,091 --> 00:08:46,787 That incident was an accident. 171 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:50,422 I did five years inside, and now my wife's dead. 172 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:52,762 I paid the price. Go bother somebody else. 173 00:08:52,832 --> 00:08:54,310 No, we're bothering you, Mr. Paglione. 174 00:08:54,334 --> 00:08:57,113 You got an awful lot of hate for the woman who was trying to comfort your wife. 175 00:08:57,137 --> 00:08:58,867 Yeah, that's a real beautiful story. 176 00:08:58,938 --> 00:09:02,898 Until one of you comes to my house and finds drugs and busts me for parole violation. 177 00:09:04,511 --> 00:09:08,778 I was working from 6:00 in the morning to 4:00, and no lunch break. 178 00:09:10,116 --> 00:09:11,675 And that's all I'm saying. 179 00:09:16,456 --> 00:09:18,789 We'll see you back at the house. 180 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:21,718 Munch says the husband's alibi checks out. 181 00:09:21,795 --> 00:09:23,355 This membership list is getting smaller. 182 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:25,708 Half these people are either dead or too weak to get out of bed. 183 00:09:25,732 --> 00:09:28,327 Maybe we're going down the wrong path with this pot club. 184 00:09:29,803 --> 00:09:33,604 No, I just can't buy that the murder and the drugs are a coincidence. 185 00:09:33,673 --> 00:09:36,541 Susan Oestreicher's neighbor thought she was a drug dealer. 186 00:09:36,609 --> 00:09:38,441 What if somebody else thought so, too? 187 00:09:39,646 --> 00:09:42,013 An M.E. out of the morgue? Must be big. 188 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:43,914 Captain Cragen told me you were here. 189 00:09:43,983 --> 00:09:46,976 Lab finished analyzing the vomit from the crime scene. 190 00:09:47,053 --> 00:09:49,682 Hey, am I gonna want to stop eating before I hear this? 191 00:09:49,756 --> 00:09:54,421 Pieces of roast beef, a little mozzarella cheese, kernels of corn and raisins. 192 00:09:54,494 --> 00:09:56,494 Luckily, they hadn't been in the stomach very long, 193 00:09:56,529 --> 00:09:58,327 so everything was only partially digested. 194 00:09:58,398 --> 00:10:00,162 Yeah, I'm done. 195 00:10:00,233 --> 00:10:02,600 And this is good news because? 196 00:10:02,669 --> 00:10:04,570 My daughter's in the sixth grade. 197 00:10:04,637 --> 00:10:08,665 She had that exact meal for lunch at school on the day of the murder. 198 00:10:08,741 --> 00:10:12,200 I've got the menu on the fridge. I called the Board of Ed. 199 00:10:12,278 --> 00:10:15,737 Every middle school in Manhattan serves the same lunch. 200 00:10:18,518 --> 00:10:20,009 No sperm in the ejaculate. 201 00:10:21,488 --> 00:10:23,457 We're looking for a kid. 202 00:10:25,658 --> 00:10:27,650 Are we buying in to this juvenile theory? 203 00:10:27,727 --> 00:10:29,195 Well, it makes sense. 204 00:10:29,262 --> 00:10:32,630 The disorganization of the crime scene indicates an immature thought process. 205 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:35,897 The number of stab wounds could mean he has no real understanding of physiology. 206 00:10:35,969 --> 00:10:38,529 He just kills the way he thinks that you're supposed to kill. 207 00:10:38,605 --> 00:10:40,733 The rape. Sexual curiosity. 208 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:43,385 Well, we know the kid went to school that day long enough to have lunch, 209 00:10:43,409 --> 00:10:45,241 so he must've cut out afterwards. 210 00:10:45,311 --> 00:10:48,110 Well, we're not canvassing every junior high in the city, 211 00:10:48,181 --> 00:10:52,551 and I'm not waiting for a DNA analysis of the puke, so let's hear suggestions. 212 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:56,283 Okay, we're looking for a boy who has a history of fights in school. 213 00:10:56,356 --> 00:10:58,985 Minor vandalism with risk-taking behavior. 214 00:10:59,058 --> 00:11:00,536 Sounds like every teenage boy on the planet. 215 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:02,927 I know. It's not much to go on. 216 00:11:02,996 --> 00:11:05,522 But adolescent behavior is inherently unpredictable. 217 00:11:05,598 --> 00:11:07,567 That's why mental health care professionals 218 00:11:07,634 --> 00:11:10,832 won't label a child a sociopath even if he fits the definition. 219 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:13,567 So the profile's wide open. What else? 220 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,165 Juvies stay with the familiar. 221 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:17,233 Maybe the victim knew this kid. 222 00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:19,054 And even if she didn't, he's likely to commit 223 00:11:19,078 --> 00:11:20,808 the crimes in his own comfort zone. 224 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,940 The neighbor who phoned in the tip to Narcotics. 225 00:11:23,016 --> 00:11:24,507 Her son looked about 13, right? 226 00:11:24,584 --> 00:11:30,023 That was Mrs. Lesinski and her son Marc. 227 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:33,956 Maybe he listens to Mom rail about the drug dealer down the hall, 228 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:35,738 he figures he can get himself some free dope. 229 00:11:35,762 --> 00:11:38,789 And get some cash for a new Xbox while he's at it. 230 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:40,356 Check him out. 231 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:43,532 Look, I told you, Marc didn't see who killed her. 232 00:11:43,603 --> 00:11:45,037 He was in school. 233 00:11:45,104 --> 00:11:46,231 You're sure about that? 234 00:11:46,306 --> 00:11:47,365 Of course I am. 235 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,739 And the school calls if he skips class? 236 00:11:49,809 --> 00:11:51,175 What exactly are you asking? 237 00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:53,679 Mrs. Lesinski, we need to speak with Marc right now. 238 00:11:53,746 --> 00:11:55,057 You think he could have done this? 239 00:11:55,081 --> 00:11:57,016 He is a child. Are you crazy? 240 00:11:57,784 --> 00:12:01,243 Has Marc bought anything that he doesn't have the money for? 241 00:12:01,321 --> 00:12:02,321 No. 242 00:12:02,388 --> 00:12:04,448 Have you seen him with... 243 00:12:04,524 --> 00:12:06,925 Seen him with anything expensive that you didn't give him? 244 00:12:07,994 --> 00:12:10,759 He said it was a present from a friend. 245 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:12,870 Come on over here. Show it to us, will you? 246 00:12:17,303 --> 00:12:18,794 An MP3 player. 247 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:22,133 Must be a very good friend to be so generous. 248 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:25,701 No, the kid's a total geek. He's always giving stuff to people. 249 00:12:25,778 --> 00:12:27,576 Oh. This total geek have a name? 250 00:12:27,647 --> 00:12:29,411 Jeremy Brice. 251 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:31,562 Mmm-hmm. Where do you think Jeremy got that? 252 00:12:32,719 --> 00:12:35,639 Did you tell him that you had a drug dealer living down the hall from you? 253 00:12:35,688 --> 00:12:36,815 Yeah. What'd you say? 254 00:12:38,224 --> 00:12:41,888 I said that she's probably got some pretty cool stuff, you know, 'cause she deals. 255 00:12:41,961 --> 00:12:45,625 So don't you think it's possible that he got it from Mrs. Oestreicher's place? 256 00:12:45,698 --> 00:12:47,291 I don't know, maybe. 257 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:49,268 But there's no way Jeremy killed her. 258 00:12:50,436 --> 00:12:52,166 Well, how do you know that? 259 00:12:52,238 --> 00:12:53,900 He's just not that cool. 260 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:58,575 It is almost 8:00. Everybody's already left. 261 00:12:58,645 --> 00:13:00,671 Let's pull him out of school. 262 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:05,178 Liv. Liv. Kids waiting for the bus. 263 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:12,858 Hi, guys. Anyone know Jeremy Brice? 264 00:13:12,925 --> 00:13:14,052 Who? 265 00:13:14,127 --> 00:13:15,151 Jeremy Brice. 266 00:13:15,228 --> 00:13:16,287 There. 267 00:13:18,298 --> 00:13:19,732 You Jeremy? 268 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:22,667 Relax, relax, relax, Jeremy. 269 00:13:22,735 --> 00:13:23,862 I didn't do anything! 270 00:13:23,936 --> 00:13:26,132 We're the police. We want to talk to you. Just relax. 271 00:13:26,205 --> 00:13:29,664 Jeremy, that looks like blood. 272 00:13:29,742 --> 00:13:31,973 No, it isn't. 273 00:13:32,045 --> 00:13:34,571 We're going down to the police station, Jeremy, all right? 274 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:35,774 Where are your parents? 275 00:13:35,848 --> 00:13:37,714 I have to go to school. I have to... 276 00:13:40,887 --> 00:13:43,618 You made a mistake. Jeremy was in school all day. 277 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:44,817 We checked, Mrs. Brice. 278 00:13:44,891 --> 00:13:48,020 Jeremy's teachers told us that he was absent after lunch. 279 00:13:48,094 --> 00:13:49,460 You skipped school? 280 00:13:49,529 --> 00:13:50,758 No. 281 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:54,130 Jeremy? Jeremy, look at me a second. 282 00:13:55,301 --> 00:13:57,541 You know you're not supposed to lie to the police, right? 283 00:13:57,570 --> 00:13:58,629 I'm not lying. 284 00:13:58,705 --> 00:14:01,470 Where'd you get the MP3 player you gave to your buddy Marc? 285 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:05,410 I gave him that for his birthday. 286 00:14:09,749 --> 00:14:11,650 Do you know a lady named Susan Oestreicher? 287 00:14:11,718 --> 00:14:12,811 No. 288 00:14:12,885 --> 00:14:16,378 You sure? She's the woman that lives right next door to Marc. 289 00:14:16,456 --> 00:14:18,857 Jeremy, you went into that apartment, 290 00:14:18,925 --> 00:14:21,087 and something bad happened there, didn't it? 291 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,924 I didn't go anywhere. 292 00:14:22,995 --> 00:14:26,955 Jeremy, these are your fingerprints that your mom let us take when you got here. 293 00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:30,360 Remember that? 294 00:14:32,905 --> 00:14:36,364 These are the ones that we found in Miss Oestreicher's apartment. 295 00:14:38,311 --> 00:14:40,143 They're exactly the same. 296 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:41,511 No, they're not. 297 00:14:41,581 --> 00:14:45,382 They are. This tells me you were in that apartment. 298 00:14:45,451 --> 00:14:46,817 No, it doesn't. 299 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:49,253 Jeremy, what happened? 300 00:14:49,322 --> 00:14:52,952 Nothing. Why is everybody picking on me? 301 00:14:55,795 --> 00:14:57,821 We'll take another crack at him once he calms down. 302 00:14:57,897 --> 00:14:59,559 Well, we know he was in the apartment. 303 00:14:59,632 --> 00:15:02,761 Once the labs come back on the forensic evidence, we won't need a confession. 304 00:15:02,835 --> 00:15:03,928 A typical kid. 305 00:15:04,003 --> 00:15:06,302 Thinks if he denies everything, it'll just go away. 306 00:15:06,372 --> 00:15:09,536 He's 14. Eligible to be tried as an adult. 307 00:15:09,609 --> 00:15:12,807 Murder two. Would've been eligible if he was 13. 308 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:14,370 He look like a grownup to you? 309 00:15:14,447 --> 00:15:17,417 He brutally raped and murdered a 34-year-old woman. 310 00:15:17,483 --> 00:15:18,507 That's a grownup crime. 311 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:21,281 He's not crying for his victim, he's crying for himself. 312 00:15:21,354 --> 00:15:23,346 Guess you can't blame him. His life is over. 313 00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:27,793 Labs are back. Blood on Jeremy's coat matched the victim's type. 314 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:29,419 Sounds like your job is done. 315 00:15:29,495 --> 00:15:30,724 No. We're not that lucky. 316 00:15:30,797 --> 00:15:33,596 Lab's determined that the rapist's blood was a type B. 317 00:15:33,666 --> 00:15:35,760 I got Jeremy's from his school. He's type O. 318 00:15:35,835 --> 00:15:37,599 He had a partner. Yeah. 319 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:39,571 No sperm, so it's got to be another kid. 320 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:41,574 Well, what about that neighbor's boy? 321 00:15:41,641 --> 00:15:43,218 Well, I checked him. He didn't skip school 322 00:15:43,242 --> 00:15:45,507 and went to basketball practice afterwards. 323 00:15:45,578 --> 00:15:49,413 Can we hold off on charging Jeremy as an adult till we get the story straight? 324 00:15:49,482 --> 00:15:52,418 Well, he's 14, so he's automatically arraigned in Supreme Court. 325 00:15:52,485 --> 00:15:54,430 But if you can prove to me he wasn't the primary actor, 326 00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:56,480 I will recommend he be removed to Family Court. 327 00:15:56,556 --> 00:15:58,252 Find out who his friends are. 328 00:16:02,395 --> 00:16:05,331 We're no strangers to police inquiring about some of our students, 329 00:16:05,398 --> 00:16:08,163 but I am surprised to hear you're investigating Mr. Brice. 330 00:16:08,234 --> 00:16:10,066 Jeremy's not a troublemaker? 331 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:12,071 I don't know him, so I guess not. 332 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:14,039 1,500 students, Detectives. 333 00:16:14,106 --> 00:16:15,734 I only got time for the bad eggs. 334 00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:18,175 You're saying he's a model student, then. 335 00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:22,682 Academically, yes. He does very well. Especially in math and art. 336 00:16:22,748 --> 00:16:27,413 But he was recently diagnosed as dyslexic, and according to his file, 337 00:16:27,487 --> 00:16:31,254 his fifth grade teacher cited social problems made him repeat the year. 338 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:33,054 What kind of social problems? 339 00:16:33,125 --> 00:16:35,651 Well, I spoke with Jeremy's teachers this morning, 340 00:16:35,728 --> 00:16:38,163 and he's a little behind maturity-wise. 341 00:16:38,231 --> 00:16:40,063 He has some trouble fitting in. 342 00:16:40,132 --> 00:16:43,068 But again, nothing to suggest any serious discipline problems. 343 00:16:43,135 --> 00:16:45,661 Teachers give you the names of Jeremy's friends? 344 00:16:45,738 --> 00:16:47,229 That's the thing, no one knew. 345 00:16:47,306 --> 00:16:48,899 Seems he really doesn't have any. 346 00:16:50,877 --> 00:16:53,889 We're going to need a list of all the boys that were absent the day of the murder, 347 00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:56,433 and we're going to need your permission to search their lockers. 348 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:07,070 I find any dead animals in here, I'm going to deputize you for this. 349 00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:08,287 Got him. 350 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:09,454 What'd you find? 351 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,191 Susan Oestreicher. 352 00:17:16,269 --> 00:17:18,101 And the weapon that killed her. 353 00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:21,232 This is a surprise. 354 00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:25,745 Locker 142 belongs to Zachary Connor, a sixth-grader. 355 00:17:26,412 --> 00:17:29,177 I'll get his schedule and we'll find him in his next class. 356 00:17:29,248 --> 00:17:31,410 I think he found us already. 357 00:17:32,552 --> 00:17:33,781 What happened to my locker? 358 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:39,818 Zachary Connor is 12 years old. 359 00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:42,804 I tell you, I've been on this job a long time, some things still surprise me. 360 00:17:42,828 --> 00:17:44,558 You'll get over it. His parents coming in? 361 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:46,394 They should be here any minute. 362 00:17:46,465 --> 00:17:48,730 We're going on 12 hours holding Jeremy Brice. 363 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:50,599 He and his mother are still in interrogation. 364 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:55,074 And they're staying until we know his exact involvement in this woman's death. 365 00:17:55,141 --> 00:17:56,700 Munch is still at the crime lab. 366 00:17:56,776 --> 00:17:59,302 CSU lifted three sets of prints off of that knife. 367 00:17:59,378 --> 00:18:02,610 One unknown, one the victim's, and one belonging to Jeremy. 368 00:18:02,682 --> 00:18:06,778 Captain, these are Zachary Connor's parents. 369 00:18:06,852 --> 00:18:08,946 Mr. and Mrs. Connor, thank you for making it down. 370 00:18:09,021 --> 00:18:11,650 Nobody's told us anything. Is Zach all right? 371 00:18:11,724 --> 00:18:12,851 Well, he's fine. Fine. 372 00:18:12,925 --> 00:18:15,360 We think he might know something about a crime. 373 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:17,124 Now, Ted here will get you settled, 374 00:18:17,196 --> 00:18:19,859 and in a minute a detective will explain everything to you. 375 00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:22,458 He's never been in trouble before, Captain. Not once. 376 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:29,800 Is that true? No trouble with this boy? 377 00:18:29,875 --> 00:18:32,208 Straight As. Not a mark on his school record. 378 00:18:33,312 --> 00:18:34,974 Let's go easy on this. 379 00:18:35,047 --> 00:18:37,312 Finesse them. See if one turns on the other. 380 00:18:37,383 --> 00:18:38,874 Fin, you take Zachary and his parents. 381 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,284 You guys take another run at Jeremy. 382 00:18:41,354 --> 00:18:43,949 Set up video cameras and monitors in both rooms. 383 00:18:44,023 --> 00:18:46,219 I'll call in Cabot and Huang to observe. 384 00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:50,053 Remember where you were day before yesterday, Zachary? 385 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:51,893 At school. And then I went home. 386 00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:53,796 You there all day? Yeah. 387 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:55,143 Well, I talked to your teachers, 388 00:18:55,167 --> 00:18:58,137 and they said that you missed all your classes after lunch. 389 00:18:58,204 --> 00:18:59,729 I was in the library. 390 00:19:00,439 --> 00:19:02,135 I had to study for a math test. 391 00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:03,836 He does have a big test coming up. 392 00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:06,435 Okay. You know Jeremy Brice? 393 00:19:06,512 --> 00:19:07,707 He's a seventh-grader. 394 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:08,839 Friend of yours? 395 00:19:08,914 --> 00:19:10,212 No. I don't like him. 396 00:19:11,117 --> 00:19:13,643 You didn't hang out with him at all day before yesterday? 397 00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:16,188 No. He's dorky. And he's a bully. 398 00:19:17,790 --> 00:19:18,951 You got a knife, Zach? 399 00:19:19,025 --> 00:19:20,118 A what? 400 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:22,660 You mean the one in my locker. 401 00:19:22,728 --> 00:19:24,321 Where'd you get it? 402 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:28,434 I found it in the dumpster behind the school. And the wallet, too. 403 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,527 What were you looking for in the garbage? 404 00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:33,736 Well, sometimes they throw out cool things. 405 00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:35,570 Once I found new markers. 406 00:19:35,641 --> 00:19:36,973 Yeah, that is cool. 407 00:19:37,043 --> 00:19:40,946 So why'd you take the knife and wallet and put them in your locker? 408 00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:42,379 I was gonna turn them in. 409 00:19:42,448 --> 00:19:45,577 I thought someone lost them. But then I forgot. 410 00:19:45,651 --> 00:19:47,381 Did you know there was blood on that knife? 411 00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:48,921 Oh, my God. 412 00:19:48,988 --> 00:19:50,957 I thought it was fake. 413 00:19:51,023 --> 00:19:54,152 But you should ask Jeremy. He told me where to find it. 414 00:19:55,594 --> 00:19:57,358 So, Jeremy, you want a drink? 415 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:58,864 No. I want to go home. 416 00:19:58,931 --> 00:20:00,024 Well, I know you do. 417 00:20:00,099 --> 00:20:03,278 But the reason that we have to stay here is because you're not telling us the truth. 418 00:20:03,302 --> 00:20:04,736 Yes, I am. 419 00:20:04,804 --> 00:20:07,638 Jeremy, we picked up your friend Zachary at school today. 420 00:20:08,741 --> 00:20:10,141 Zach's here? 421 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:12,689 He's right in the next room, speaking to one of our detectives. 422 00:20:13,713 --> 00:20:15,648 What do you think he's going to say? 423 00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:18,446 Nothing. 424 00:20:18,984 --> 00:20:21,044 I think he might. 425 00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:24,866 Look, I know you don't want to get him in trouble, 426 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:27,758 but you've got to tell us what happened. 427 00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:31,286 Even if it's something that's really, really bad, you've got to tell us. 428 00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:37,833 Zach's my best friend. 429 00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:40,668 You can't make me say he did something bad. 430 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:42,971 He didn't do anything. 431 00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:47,438 Jeremy's in for a rude awakening. 432 00:20:47,513 --> 00:20:49,106 His best friend's about to flip on him. 433 00:20:50,182 --> 00:20:53,084 What I find hard to believe is how a kid as young as Zachary 434 00:20:53,152 --> 00:20:54,848 is physically capable of rape. 435 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,687 Biologically, all he needs is enough testosterone to achieve an erection. 436 00:20:58,758 --> 00:21:01,728 These days, boys reach puberty as early as nine years old. 437 00:21:01,794 --> 00:21:04,787 Add to that an ill woman, weakened by chemotherapy. 438 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:07,834 She's the perfect victim for a 90-pound rapist. 439 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:09,664 You think he did it? 440 00:21:10,836 --> 00:21:12,327 I think he's lying. 441 00:21:12,404 --> 00:21:16,068 He keeps changing his story so that it's just plausible enough to be true. 442 00:21:16,142 --> 00:21:17,633 He's involved. 443 00:21:20,813 --> 00:21:21,940 What's all this? 444 00:21:22,014 --> 00:21:23,573 Interrogation tactics, Captain. 445 00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:26,448 A few special mementos from Zachary Connor's locker. 446 00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,647 This is Detective Munch, my partner. 447 00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:32,534 How much longer do we need to be here? 448 00:21:32,558 --> 00:21:34,390 Entirely up to your son, Mr. Connor. 449 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:35,655 Is that your book? 450 00:21:35,728 --> 00:21:37,890 I don't know. All our books look alike. 451 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:40,125 Oh, yeah? Is that your name? 452 00:21:40,766 --> 00:21:42,394 Yeah. Then that must be yours, right? 453 00:21:44,503 --> 00:21:47,667 What is this about? It's his book. Why does it matter? 454 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:51,643 We also have a CD labeled with your initials, 455 00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:55,943 a pen, a magazine subscription sticker in your name. 456 00:21:56,015 --> 00:21:58,007 You know where I got them? 457 00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:59,449 In my locker at school? 458 00:21:59,518 --> 00:22:02,181 Right. You know what else they have in common? Hmm? 459 00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:04,253 Detective Tutuola? 460 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,258 Covered with his fingerprints. 461 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,884 Correct. Just a minute. 462 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,485 Now, Zach, you're a bright young man. 463 00:22:09,562 --> 00:22:12,532 You understand that every time you touch something, 464 00:22:12,598 --> 00:22:14,533 you leave a fingerprint behind. 465 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,434 So I want you to think real hard before you answer this question. 466 00:22:17,503 --> 00:22:21,406 Were you ever in an apartment on Avenue C where a woman was killed? 467 00:22:21,473 --> 00:22:23,135 Oh, what the hell? 468 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,847 I was in that lady's apartment with Jeremy. 469 00:22:31,817 --> 00:22:33,183 He killed her. 470 00:22:36,522 --> 00:22:40,391 Hey, Jeremy, I think you might want to see this. 471 00:22:41,694 --> 00:22:43,390 Whose idea was it? 472 00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:46,428 Jeremy's. 473 00:22:46,966 --> 00:22:49,026 To rob her or to kill her? 474 00:22:49,401 --> 00:22:50,801 Everything. 475 00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:53,767 He said she had lots of money. 476 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:57,142 But then she came home. 477 00:22:59,111 --> 00:23:01,444 He made me do bad things to her. 478 00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:03,345 He made me touch her. 479 00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:06,914 And then Jeremy got the knife 480 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,216 and he killed her. 481 00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:13,218 What happened after that? 482 00:23:13,292 --> 00:23:14,692 I ran away. 483 00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:18,487 I was scared. 484 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,899 Jeremy. No. 485 00:23:23,969 --> 00:23:26,200 Jeremy, is that what happened? 486 00:23:26,272 --> 00:23:27,763 He's lying! 487 00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,067 So you tell us the truth. 488 00:23:35,347 --> 00:23:37,509 I didn't want anyone to get hurt. 489 00:23:39,118 --> 00:23:41,952 Was it your idea to break into that woman's apartment? 490 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:46,582 Jeremy, why would you do that? 491 00:23:47,593 --> 00:23:50,028 Zach thought it was cool. 492 00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:52,997 Was it cool when you took the telephone and bashed her head in? 493 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:56,331 I didn't do that, Zach did. 494 00:23:56,402 --> 00:23:58,234 Do I listen to his story or yours? 495 00:24:01,173 --> 00:24:02,698 She fell down. 496 00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:05,571 She was bleeding. 497 00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:09,580 Zach said to get a knife from the kitchen. 498 00:24:10,249 --> 00:24:14,016 I didn't want to, but he was screaming at me. 499 00:24:15,087 --> 00:24:17,420 I didn't know what he was going to do with it, I swear. 500 00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:21,585 So you got the knife, and then what happened? 501 00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:27,691 When I walked back in, Zach was on top of her. 502 00:24:28,734 --> 00:24:32,728 He took the knife and he stabbed her over and over. 503 00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:35,900 There was all this blood and I threw up! 504 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:39,377 I'm sorry. I'm really, really sorry! 505 00:24:42,448 --> 00:24:43,472 I'm sorry. 506 00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:46,451 Jeremy, who covered her up with the blanket? 507 00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:49,615 I did. 508 00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:53,686 You shouldn't leave someone like that. 509 00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:57,323 Can I go home now? 510 00:24:58,163 --> 00:25:00,098 I just want to go home. 511 00:25:00,899 --> 00:25:03,095 I want to go home. 512 00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:06,366 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 513 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:12,945 CSU finished with Zach's house? 514 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:16,005 Top to bottom. No blood. Must have tossed the clothes he was wearing. 515 00:25:16,081 --> 00:25:17,841 So we've got two kids, two different stories, 516 00:25:17,883 --> 00:25:19,527 and either one of them could have killed her. 517 00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:21,850 Which means I have an even bigger problem. 518 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,583 Whether or not to try Jeremy Brice as an adult. 519 00:25:24,656 --> 00:25:26,147 Zachary Connor is 12. 520 00:25:26,225 --> 00:25:29,024 So even if he acted alone, he's out of my jurisdiction. 521 00:25:29,094 --> 00:25:30,619 He is going to Family Court. 522 00:25:30,696 --> 00:25:33,063 And what kind of punishment is kiddie court handing out 523 00:25:33,132 --> 00:25:34,896 for rapists and murderers these days? 524 00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:37,300 Their mandate is rehabilitation, not punishment. 525 00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:41,830 So the maximum sentence is 18 months in a limited secure facility. 526 00:25:41,907 --> 00:25:44,001 And Jeremy's looking at life in Attica. 527 00:25:44,076 --> 00:25:46,944 If the D.A. thinks he's a danger to society, yes. 528 00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:50,141 Okay, I got to tell you that I believe Jeremy's version of the events. 529 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,845 You know, this kid is more of a danger to himself than anybody else. 530 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:56,286 Doc, you saw both interviews. What do you think? 531 00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:57,948 I agree with you. 532 00:25:58,023 --> 00:25:59,787 Jeremy is more easily manipulated. 533 00:25:59,858 --> 00:26:01,952 He's desperate to fit in at any cost, 534 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:04,587 whereas Zachary is far more calculating. 535 00:26:04,663 --> 00:26:07,132 I think he wields a great deal of control over Jeremy, 536 00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:10,601 and I think he murdered and raped Susan Oestreicher. 537 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:15,737 So the question is do we go after Jeremy because we can't get Zachary? 538 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:19,269 No. 539 00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:22,305 I'll recommend we remove Jeremy to family court. 540 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:35,656 The D.A. is seeking an indictment against Jeremy Brice. 541 00:26:35,727 --> 00:26:37,821 You've got one day to prepare for the grand jury. 542 00:26:37,896 --> 00:26:39,524 On what charges? 543 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,123 Felony murder and burglary one. 544 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,135 I recommended against it. 545 00:26:43,202 --> 00:26:44,465 Well, the D.A. disagreed. 546 00:26:44,536 --> 00:26:48,940 But the evidence clearly indicates that Jeremy Brice's involvement was limited. 547 00:26:49,007 --> 00:26:51,476 The DNA proves that Zachary Connor committed the rape. 548 00:26:51,543 --> 00:26:54,707 Jeremy already confessed to participating in the burglary. 549 00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:55,857 That's the predicate felony. 550 00:26:55,881 --> 00:26:57,959 He knew it was dangerous, he knew someone could be killed. 551 00:26:57,983 --> 00:26:59,474 No, he didn't. 552 00:26:59,551 --> 00:27:02,180 This boy is not mature enough to understand that. 553 00:27:02,254 --> 00:27:04,052 The law says he is. 554 00:27:04,123 --> 00:27:07,423 That legislation was passed in 1978 555 00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:10,861 as a knee-jerk reaction to some perceived youth crime wave. 556 00:27:10,929 --> 00:27:13,524 It also says that we prosecute juveniles as adults 557 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,501 at the discretion of the district attorney. 558 00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:19,003 He made the call. You do your job. 559 00:27:19,671 --> 00:27:22,038 Which should be easy enough with Jeremy's confession. 560 00:27:23,242 --> 00:27:25,143 A win for the D.A. 561 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:27,179 So that's what this is about. 562 00:27:27,246 --> 00:27:29,023 'Cause I'd like to know just how much of a sycophant 563 00:27:29,047 --> 00:27:31,846 I have to be in this new administration. 564 00:27:33,752 --> 00:27:35,550 Let's say you're right. 565 00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:37,351 Let's say Zachary Connor did everything. 566 00:27:37,422 --> 00:27:40,915 That means every step of the way, Jeremy Brice had a choice. 567 00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:43,687 Do the right thing or do the wrong thing. 568 00:27:44,863 --> 00:27:48,595 Watch your friend rape a defenseless woman or stop him, 569 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:51,603 run away or give him the knife so he can stab her to death. 570 00:27:52,538 --> 00:27:54,404 Do we punish him for this? 571 00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:57,807 Or do we tell him that there are no consequences for his actions? 572 00:27:57,876 --> 00:28:01,438 We remove him to Family Court in hopes of rehabilitation. 573 00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:05,374 That won't happen if he goes J.O. and you know it. 574 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:08,750 You have more faith in the Juvenile Justice Department than I do. 575 00:28:13,392 --> 00:28:16,089 You're adamantly opposed to prosecuting this case? 576 00:28:16,161 --> 00:28:18,926 Yes. I think it's wrong. 577 00:28:20,566 --> 00:28:21,932 All right. 578 00:28:22,868 --> 00:28:24,461 Then I'll do it. 579 00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:28,569 You're second chair. 580 00:28:34,646 --> 00:28:37,878 Elizabeth Donnelly is back trying cases? 581 00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:41,148 Or did your new boss demote you already? 582 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,918 Funny comments like that, it's a wonder both your legs aren't broken. 583 00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:47,255 You get attacked by one of your repeat offenders again? 584 00:28:47,326 --> 00:28:50,592 No, actually one of your esteemed colleagues knocked me off a curb. 585 00:28:50,662 --> 00:28:52,153 There's a law suit pending. 586 00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:56,058 Alexandra Cabot, Gina Bernardo, public defender. 587 00:28:56,134 --> 00:28:57,158 Nice to meet you. 588 00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:01,435 So the D.A. has assembled a legal dream team to crucify a child. 589 00:29:01,506 --> 00:29:03,839 You know as well as I do charging Jeremy Brice 590 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:06,105 as an adult is a gross injustice. 591 00:29:06,178 --> 00:29:07,942 Tell that to Susan Oestreicher's family. 592 00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:11,415 You honestly believe he deserves to be charged for murder two? 593 00:29:11,483 --> 00:29:13,315 The grand jury did. 594 00:29:13,385 --> 00:29:16,321 You can't possibly hold my client responsible for something 595 00:29:16,388 --> 00:29:19,483 it's impossible for him to be responsible for. 596 00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:22,587 Notification of affirmative defense. 597 00:29:22,661 --> 00:29:25,859 Not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. 598 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,800 What defect? 599 00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:33,237 His 14-year-old brain. 600 00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:35,984 Your Honor, this is an obvious attempt 601 00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:37,533 to backdoor the defense of infancy. 602 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:41,774 Article 30 clearly states that defense cannot be used for juveniles charged with murder. 603 00:29:41,847 --> 00:29:45,306 I'm not saying that my client isn't responsible because of his age. 604 00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:48,650 I am saying he isn't responsible because of his diminished capacity. 605 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,815 Dictated by his age. It's the same thing. 606 00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:54,435 This is a legislative issue, Your Honor, not a matter for the court. 607 00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:58,055 Then why did three Supreme Court justices draft a public statement 608 00:29:58,130 --> 00:30:00,690 calling for the abolishment of juvenile executions? 609 00:30:00,766 --> 00:30:04,965 Because it is cruel and unusual to impose adult punishment on someone 610 00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:06,903 who isn't capable of adult thought. 611 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,168 Couldn't one argue then that certain behavior, 612 00:30:09,241 --> 00:30:13,542 such as the committing of a violent crime, proves adult thought? 613 00:30:13,612 --> 00:30:16,980 No. If your 10-year-old son takes your car out for a joy ride, 614 00:30:17,049 --> 00:30:19,382 do you automatically hand him a driver's license? 615 00:30:19,451 --> 00:30:21,095 This is all very interesting, Ms. Bernardo, 616 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:24,351 but I fail to see how any of this applies to an insanity defense. 617 00:30:24,423 --> 00:30:26,187 These are scientific studies 618 00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:30,195 proving that an adolescent's brain is significantly different than an adult's. 619 00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:34,131 That, in fact, our brains aren't fully formed until we're in our early 20s. 620 00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:36,259 And I can present scientific studies which prove 621 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:38,998 my cat is trying to kill me in my sleep. 622 00:30:39,071 --> 00:30:40,232 Daubert test, Your Honor. 623 00:30:40,305 --> 00:30:43,742 Scientific evidence must meet federal standards of relevance and reliability. 624 00:30:43,809 --> 00:30:47,268 Well, one of the studies was done by the National Institute of Mental Health. 625 00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,679 Is the federal government reliable enough for you? 626 00:30:49,748 --> 00:30:52,946 The reliability of the studies isn't in question. 627 00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:57,149 My job is to determine whether or not they have any material value. 628 00:30:57,222 --> 00:30:58,884 I believe they do. 629 00:30:59,758 --> 00:31:02,523 And I believe the jury should hear them. 630 00:31:06,998 --> 00:31:10,901 Dr. Hayman, can you tell us about the study you recently completed? 631 00:31:10,969 --> 00:31:13,734 We used functional magnetic resonance imaging 632 00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:16,775 to map the brains of healthy adolescents over several years 633 00:31:16,842 --> 00:31:19,073 and compared them to those of healthy adults. 634 00:31:19,144 --> 00:31:21,204 And what did your study find? 635 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,807 For adolescents, brain activity is much higher in the amygdala, 636 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:28,012 which guides instincts like fear or anger. 637 00:31:28,086 --> 00:31:31,318 In adults, the activity in the frontal lobe is higher, 638 00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:34,622 and that's the seat of reasoning and good judgment. 639 00:31:34,693 --> 00:31:37,663 So what are the conclusions of your findings? 640 00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:41,188 Adolescents are physiologically prone 641 00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:43,531 to impulsive and irrational behavior. 642 00:31:43,602 --> 00:31:50,008 So teenagers are moody and unpredictable, and even violent, 643 00:31:50,075 --> 00:31:51,976 because they are wired that way? 644 00:31:52,043 --> 00:31:53,773 Objection. Leading. 645 00:31:53,845 --> 00:31:55,211 Sustained. 646 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,681 That's all. No further questions. 647 00:32:00,819 --> 00:32:07,692 So, your study says that teenagers are impulsive and irrational. 648 00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:13,797 Here's what I don't understand. 649 00:32:13,865 --> 00:32:17,859 If that's true, how is it that every single teenager 650 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:20,462 isn't a rapist or a murderer? 651 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:24,374 I believe I said adolescents were prone to certain behaviors. 652 00:32:24,443 --> 00:32:28,380 Then some teenagers are perfectly reasonable and rational. 653 00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:29,540 Yes. 654 00:32:30,248 --> 00:32:31,511 How many? 655 00:32:33,418 --> 00:32:34,442 How many what? 656 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,081 How many teenagers are rational and how many are rapists and murderers? 657 00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:40,558 There's no answer to that question. 658 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:42,093 I thought you mapped their brains. 659 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,096 We haven't tested every single teenager in the world. 660 00:32:45,764 --> 00:32:50,600 Oh. So if you had given MRIs to every single teenager, 661 00:32:50,669 --> 00:32:54,265 you would be able to predict whether or not they would be a criminal. Is that it? 662 00:32:54,339 --> 00:32:56,137 No. Well, what? 663 00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:59,076 If the irrational part of the brain is overactive, 664 00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:01,375 that proves that they'll be violent, doesn't it? 665 00:33:01,446 --> 00:33:03,312 It doesn't prove anything. 666 00:33:03,381 --> 00:33:05,475 This research is in its infancy. 667 00:33:06,384 --> 00:33:08,444 Your study doesn't prove anything? 668 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,182 Not what you're asking for, but... 669 00:33:10,255 --> 00:33:13,089 Then it's a theory, an unproven theory. 670 00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:15,627 This research is a huge step forward 671 00:33:15,694 --> 00:33:17,287 in understanding how the brain works. 672 00:33:17,362 --> 00:33:21,094 Which is just another way of saying we really don't understand the brain at all. 673 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:25,762 Nothing further. 674 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:33,469 Jeremy, do you know the difference between what's right and what's wrong? 675 00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:35,403 Yes. 676 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,042 Was it wrong to break into Susan Oestreicher's apartment? 677 00:33:40,552 --> 00:33:41,713 Yes. 678 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:43,586 Then why did you do it? 679 00:33:44,923 --> 00:33:47,154 Zach said he wanted some money. 680 00:33:47,225 --> 00:33:49,023 Do you always do what Zach wants? 681 00:33:50,228 --> 00:33:51,992 He's my best friend. 682 00:33:52,063 --> 00:33:55,090 Jeremy, did you know that Zach was planning to kill that woman? 683 00:33:56,234 --> 00:33:57,258 No. 684 00:33:57,702 --> 00:34:00,137 And if you thought even for one moment 685 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,901 that that's what he wanted to do, 686 00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:03,584 would you have gone with him to the apartment, 687 00:34:03,608 --> 00:34:05,736 even though he's your best friend? 688 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:06,937 No. 689 00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,074 I don't want anyone to get killed. 690 00:34:10,148 --> 00:34:12,049 Jeremy, what is more wrong? 691 00:34:12,117 --> 00:34:16,384 Watching someone do something terrible or telling on your only friend? 692 00:34:21,026 --> 00:34:22,494 I don't know. 693 00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:27,263 So, maybe, you don't know right from wrong as much as you think. 694 00:34:30,468 --> 00:34:32,130 Thank you, Jeremy. 695 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:38,471 Who hit Susan Oestreicher over the head? 696 00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:40,303 Zach. 697 00:34:40,845 --> 00:34:43,508 Hard enough so she was knocked out, right? 698 00:34:43,582 --> 00:34:44,606 Yeah. 699 00:34:44,683 --> 00:34:47,209 Then Zach told you to get the knife. 700 00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:51,247 He... He said to look in the kitchen. 701 00:34:51,323 --> 00:34:53,019 Did you think he was going to stab her? 702 00:34:53,625 --> 00:34:54,752 No. 703 00:34:54,826 --> 00:34:56,818 What did you think he was going to do? 704 00:34:58,029 --> 00:35:01,056 Scare her. He didn't want her to yell. 705 00:35:01,132 --> 00:35:03,931 But she wasn't awake. How would she yell? 706 00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:07,266 I don't know. 707 00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:09,638 What do people do with knives, Jeremy? 708 00:35:12,077 --> 00:35:13,443 Cut things. 709 00:35:13,979 --> 00:35:17,381 So you walked into the kitchen and you got the knife. 710 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:18,508 Yes. 711 00:35:19,351 --> 00:35:21,377 You said you were afraid of Zach. Why? 712 00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:22,853 He was yelling at me. 713 00:35:22,921 --> 00:35:25,322 Why didn't you walk out the door? 714 00:35:29,327 --> 00:35:30,795 I don't know. 715 00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:36,858 So, you got the knife. 716 00:35:38,036 --> 00:35:39,834 You walked back to Zach, 717 00:35:39,904 --> 00:35:42,874 and you were holding the knife in your hands. 718 00:35:42,941 --> 00:35:44,102 Yes. 719 00:35:44,175 --> 00:35:45,905 Why did you give it to him? 720 00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:48,139 Was it because you were afraid or because you 721 00:35:48,213 --> 00:35:50,808 wanted to be cool for your friend? 722 00:35:50,882 --> 00:35:51,941 I don't know! 723 00:35:52,017 --> 00:35:54,111 You knew what he was going to do, 724 00:35:54,185 --> 00:35:56,552 and you helped him do it. Isn't that why? 725 00:35:58,123 --> 00:35:59,591 I'm sorry! 726 00:36:01,192 --> 00:36:03,320 I'm so sorry. 727 00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:04,886 I'm so sorry. 728 00:36:05,497 --> 00:36:06,795 I'm sorry. 729 00:36:07,532 --> 00:36:08,864 I'm sorry. 730 00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:18,668 Nothing further. 731 00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:23,508 I'm so sorry. 732 00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:32,953 Alex. 733 00:36:34,225 --> 00:36:36,751 Well, guess you got what you wanted. 734 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:41,764 Destroying a child on the stand is not quite the highlight of my career. 735 00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:44,459 You did your job. 736 00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:45,629 Careful, Alex. 737 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:49,800 You're beginning to sound like me, disillusioned before your time. 738 00:36:51,476 --> 00:36:53,638 I need you to subpoena a rebuttal witness. 739 00:36:53,712 --> 00:36:54,975 Who? Zachary Connor. 740 00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:56,139 Why? 741 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,513 As of today, he's been adjudicated by Family Court. 742 00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:02,145 Any testimony he gives won't be tainted by his co-conspirator status. 743 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,740 If you put Zachary Connor on the stand, 744 00:37:03,788 --> 00:37:06,758 he's going to say that Jeremy did everything and I believe that's a lie. 745 00:37:06,825 --> 00:37:09,659 I'm not putting him on the stand. You are. 746 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:12,493 Jury already thinks I make little kids cry. 747 00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:14,430 No. I won't suborn perjury. 748 00:37:14,499 --> 00:37:17,367 Then I guess you better make sure he tells the truth. 749 00:37:25,777 --> 00:37:28,406 Zachary, who killed Susan Oestreicher? 750 00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:30,880 Jeremy did. 751 00:37:31,616 --> 00:37:33,312 So he stabbed her with a knife? 752 00:37:33,384 --> 00:37:34,682 Yes. 753 00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:37,279 That must have been very frightening for you. 754 00:37:37,355 --> 00:37:39,187 Yes. I was scared. 755 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:40,987 What were you scared of? 756 00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:42,254 Jeremy. 757 00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:43,853 Why? 758 00:37:44,395 --> 00:37:46,159 Because he's bigger. 759 00:37:47,031 --> 00:37:49,091 Was Jeremy afraid of anything? 760 00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:50,226 Yes. 761 00:37:50,668 --> 00:37:51,761 What? 762 00:37:52,036 --> 00:37:54,471 He was just afraid. He didn't want to get caught. 763 00:37:54,539 --> 00:37:56,098 But you did get caught. 764 00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:57,665 Miss Oestreicher came home. 765 00:37:57,742 --> 00:38:00,576 That was Jeremy's fault. He got it wrong. 766 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,324 You must have been really scared when she walked in that door? 767 00:38:03,348 --> 00:38:04,816 No, I wasn't. 768 00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:05,942 Okay. 769 00:38:07,552 --> 00:38:09,851 Zachary, when did you throw up? 770 00:38:10,722 --> 00:38:11,849 That was Jeremy. 771 00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:14,290 I thought you were afraid, Zachary. 772 00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:17,386 I thought you threw up because you couldn't look at the blood. 773 00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:19,931 I could, too. Jeremy couldn't. 774 00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:21,762 He was being a baby and crying. 775 00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:24,166 When? Before or after she was killed? 776 00:38:24,235 --> 00:38:25,396 The whole time. 777 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:27,701 And you weren't crying? Not even just a little? 778 00:38:27,772 --> 00:38:28,865 No. 779 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:30,417 But I thought you were afraid, Zachary. 780 00:38:30,441 --> 00:38:32,706 I thought you were afraid of Jeremy. 781 00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:33,972 No, I wasn't. 782 00:38:34,045 --> 00:38:37,209 And you were also afraid of that woman because she was going to call the police. 783 00:38:37,282 --> 00:38:38,341 She was afraid of me. 784 00:38:38,416 --> 00:38:40,885 And you wanted to show them both that you were a man, 785 00:38:40,952 --> 00:38:42,352 and that's why you had sex with her. 786 00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:45,481 Well, that was her fault because she wouldn't tell me where the money was. 787 00:38:45,557 --> 00:38:48,789 Jeremy was crying! He wouldn't do anything so I had to do it! 788 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:52,228 If she had just told me where the money was, I wouldn't have had to hurt her! 789 00:38:55,366 --> 00:38:56,959 Nothing further. 790 00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:08,806 Five to 10 years. 791 00:39:09,447 --> 00:39:11,541 He wouldn't get out until he was 24? 792 00:39:11,616 --> 00:39:14,745 It's the minimum sentence. With good behavior, he's out in five. 793 00:39:14,819 --> 00:39:17,914 But if they say not guilty, he won't go to jail at all. 794 00:39:17,989 --> 00:39:22,450 The jury will not say that. The law is very clear. 795 00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:24,496 Jeremy already admitted to being in the apartment 796 00:39:24,562 --> 00:39:27,464 with the intent to burglarize it and someone was killed. 797 00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:30,867 He can still be found guilty of felony murder. 798 00:39:30,935 --> 00:39:33,530 You want me to tell you to send my son to jail. 799 00:39:33,605 --> 00:39:36,370 Why don't we take a day to think about this? 800 00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:38,467 No. I don't need to think about it. 801 00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:41,741 The answer is no. He didn't hurt anyone. 802 00:39:41,813 --> 00:39:47,252 Mrs. Brice, if Jeremy is convicted, he is facing a possible life sentence. 803 00:39:49,988 --> 00:39:53,789 Miss Bernardo, please tell your client's mother how rare jury nullification is. 804 00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:55,486 We should take the deal. 805 00:39:56,261 --> 00:39:58,526 I don't like taking chances with the jury. 806 00:39:59,297 --> 00:40:00,356 They heard that other boy. 807 00:40:00,431 --> 00:40:04,095 They know Jeremy is good, and they won't send him to jail. 808 00:40:04,669 --> 00:40:05,967 No. 809 00:40:06,537 --> 00:40:07,766 No deal. 810 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:19,479 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, have you reached a verdict? 811 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:21,314 We have, Your Honor. 812 00:40:21,886 --> 00:40:25,118 On the first count, murder in the second degree, how do you find? 813 00:40:26,391 --> 00:40:28,326 We find the defendant guilty. 814 00:40:28,393 --> 00:40:29,861 No! 815 00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:36,898 On the second count, burglary in the first degree, how do you find? 816 00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:39,164 We find the defendant guilty. 817 00:40:43,408 --> 00:40:45,434 Poll the jury, Your Honor. 818 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:48,207 Juror number one, what is your verdict? 819 00:40:50,381 --> 00:40:51,872 Guilty. 820 00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:53,077 Juror number two? 821 00:40:53,151 --> 00:40:54,244 Guilty. 822 00:40:55,586 --> 00:40:57,316 Juror number three? 823 00:40:57,822 --> 00:40:59,017 Guilty. 824 00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:01,420 Juror number four? 825 00:41:01,492 --> 00:41:02,585 Guilty. 826 00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:04,322 Juror number five? 827 00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:05,522 Guilty. 828 00:41:05,596 --> 00:41:06,894 Juror number six? 829 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:08,228 Guilty. 830 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:10,393 Juror number seven? 831 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:11,697 Guilty. 66590

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