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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:01:03,000 {\an8}WE STEAL SECRETS- THE STORY OF WIKILEAKS, 2013 1 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:32,081 [STATIC] 2 00:00:32,157 --> 00:00:34,285 [INDISTINCT CHATTER ON TV] 3 00:00:42,626 --> 00:00:44,799 NEWS ANCHOR 1: Anti-nuclear groups go to court to try to 4 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,843 block Thursday's scheduled lift-off 5 00:00:46,964 --> 00:00:50,719 of the shuttle Atlantis with its payload of radioactive plutonium. 6 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:52,769 NEWS ANCHOR 2: The shuttle and legal challenges. 7 00:00:52,844 --> 00:00:54,517 NASA lawyers must go to court tomorrow 8 00:00:54,638 --> 00:00:57,812 to help the shuttle Atlantis and its Galileo spacecraft 9 00:00:57,891 --> 00:00:59,143 escape from a unique environmental challenge. 10 00:00:59,268 --> 00:01:01,145 The mission could be stalled on the launch pad. 11 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:03,481 At the center of the controversy is Galileo, 12 00:01:03,564 --> 00:01:05,066 a plutonium-powered space probe 13 00:01:05,148 --> 00:01:06,991 scheduled to be launched from the shuttle's payload. 14 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:09,661 The argument's being made that in the event of an accident, 15 00:01:09,736 --> 00:01:12,489 cancer-causing plutonium particles might be spread 16 00:01:12,573 --> 00:01:14,951 over a wide area of Florida. 17 00:01:15,492 --> 00:01:16,835 October 1989 18 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:21,256 JOHN McMAHON: It was a Monday morning, a few days before launching Galileo. 19 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:24,419 My management grabbed me as soon as I came in. 20 00:01:24,501 --> 00:01:25,593 [BELL RINGING] 21 00:01:25,669 --> 00:01:28,639 And they said that there was a worm that had been detected 22 00:01:28,714 --> 00:01:30,341 somewhere out on the network. 23 00:01:31,842 --> 00:01:34,721 A worm is a self-replicating program. 24 00:01:34,803 --> 00:01:38,808 It actually breaks into a computer and jumps from system to system. 25 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:41,894 At the time, they still were very uncommon. 26 00:01:42,728 --> 00:01:44,196 We didn't know what it would do. 27 00:01:44,271 --> 00:01:45,864 We knew it was malicious. 28 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:48,487 If the worm got into a machine, 29 00:01:48,567 --> 00:01:52,197 it would change the announcement message and spelled out, 30 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:54,953 in little lines and little characters, 31 00:01:55,699 --> 00:01:58,953 W-A-N-K, 32 00:01:59,036 --> 00:02:02,586 WANK, Worms Against Nuclear Killers. 33 00:02:02,664 --> 00:02:05,884 And below that, "You talk of times of peace for all, 34 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:07,961 "and then prepare for war." 35 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:10,513 Oh, my God, what the hell is this? 36 00:02:10,589 --> 00:02:12,432 Most people didn't know what the word "WANK" meant. 37 00:02:14,217 --> 00:02:15,639 The worm made a panic. 38 00:02:16,094 --> 00:02:19,348 You would be logged into your machine and you'd get a message, 39 00:02:19,431 --> 00:02:22,310 "Someone is watching you... Vote anarchist!" 40 00:02:22,392 --> 00:02:23,769 And suddenly they'd see, 41 00:02:23,852 --> 00:02:26,947 "Deleted file-1, deleted file-2, deleted file-3, " 42 00:02:27,022 --> 00:02:29,445 and just keep going and going and going. 43 00:02:29,566 --> 00:02:33,070 And it would change the passwords, so you couldn't get in to stop it. 44 00:02:34,237 --> 00:02:35,739 It scared the hell out of a lot of people. 45 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:39,873 They were afraid that WANK would cause a launch failure, 46 00:02:39,951 --> 00:02:43,000 where this nuclear battery was suddenly 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,082 flying away from an exploding spacecraft. 48 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:47,126 MISSION CONTROL: All systems are go. 49 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:49,628 Eleven, ten, nine... 50 00:02:49,753 --> 00:02:51,300 McMAHON: How in the name of hell are we going to stop it? 51 00:02:51,421 --> 00:02:53,344 And how far has it gone already? 52 00:02:53,423 --> 00:02:55,517 MISSION CONTROL: We have a go for main engine start. 53 00:02:55,592 --> 00:02:58,436 Six, five, four, 54 00:02:58,553 --> 00:03:01,432 three, two, one. 55 00:03:01,765 --> 00:03:04,439 We have ignition and lift-off of Atlantis, 56 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:07,654 and the Galileo spacecraft bound for Jupiter! 57 00:03:11,608 --> 00:03:13,531 NARRATOR: The shuttle launched without incident. 58 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:15,612 But the WANK worm continued to spread, 59 00:03:15,737 --> 00:03:19,617 affecting over 300, 000 computer terminals around the world. 60 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:25,331 Its purpose, as a warning, weapon, or political prank, was never discovered. 61 00:03:25,997 --> 00:03:29,877 Investigators traced the origins of the WANK worm to Australia. 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,554 National police suspected a small group of hackers 63 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:35,883 in the city of Melbourne, and then the trail went cold. 64 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:39,804 But a key clue turned out to be in the message itself. 65 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:43,436 There was a lyric from the Australian band, Midnight Oil, 66 00:03:43,974 --> 00:03:45,226 a favorite of the man 67 00:03:45,308 --> 00:03:48,152 who would become the country's most infamous hacker. 68 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:51,653 [BLOSSOM AND BLOOD PLAYING] [SPEAKING] 69 00:03:51,732 --> 00:03:52,779 Yeah. 70 00:04:14,171 --> 00:04:16,344 There's never been anything quite like it. 71 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:20,599 A mountain of secrets dumped into the public domain by a website... 72 00:04:20,677 --> 00:04:23,271 NEWS ANCHOR 1: Julian Assange. Is he a hero to freedom 73 00:04:23,346 --> 00:04:25,144 or is he a terrorist who should be prosecuted? 74 00:04:25,223 --> 00:04:26,691 NEWT GINGRICH: He's an active enemy combatant 75 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:29,611 who's engaged in information warfare against the United States... 76 00:04:29,686 --> 00:04:32,109 Was it not once considered patriotic 77 00:04:32,189 --> 00:04:35,534 to stand up to our government when it's wrong? 78 00:04:36,109 --> 00:04:37,907 [BLOSSOM AND BLOOD CONTINUES PLAYING] 79 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:47,921 NEWS ANCHOR 2: Should the United States do something to stop Mr. Assange? 80 00:04:47,996 --> 00:04:50,090 NEWS ANCHOR 3: I think Assange should be assassinated, actually... 81 00:04:50,165 --> 00:04:51,212 NEWS ANCHOR 4: No, he's a hero... 82 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:53,885 NEWS ANCHOR 5: What he did was extremely devastating... 83 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,712 NEWS ANCHOR 6: This guy's going to strike again. 84 00:04:56,338 --> 00:05:00,718 PROTESTERS: [CHANTING] Free Julian Assange! Free Julian Assange! 85 00:05:12,896 --> 00:05:14,239 What drives you? 86 00:05:16,775 --> 00:05:19,153 Well, I like being creative. 87 00:05:19,236 --> 00:05:21,614 I mean, I've been an inventor, 88 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:23,957 designing systems and processes for a long time. 89 00:05:25,242 --> 00:05:28,291 I also like defending victims. 90 00:05:29,746 --> 00:05:33,751 And I'm a combative person, so I like crushing bastards. 91 00:05:35,043 --> 00:05:40,265 And so this sort of profession combines all those three things. 92 00:05:40,382 --> 00:05:45,730 So it is personally deeply satisfying to me. 93 00:05:46,137 --> 00:05:51,268 INTERVIEWER: But is crushing bastards, in its own right, a just cause? 94 00:05:52,644 --> 00:05:54,612 Depends on the bastard. [CHUCKLES] 95 00:05:55,772 --> 00:05:59,117 I see the story entirely as one man against the world. 96 00:05:59,526 --> 00:06:00,618 One man against the world. 97 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:03,205 Julian is this very radical visionary. 98 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,123 Julian was onto something really extraordinary. 99 00:06:05,198 --> 00:06:08,623 He's an extremely clever, brave, dedicated, hard-working guy 100 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:11,376 with a brilliant idea that he managed to execute. 101 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,554 NARRATOR: Julian Assange was obsessed with secrets, 102 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:23,634 keeping his own and unlocking those of governments and corporations. 103 00:06:25,302 --> 00:06:27,976 The Internet is not a good place for secrets. 104 00:06:30,348 --> 00:06:33,318 Cyberspace is like a galaxy of passageways, 105 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:35,771 constantly moving streams of data. 106 00:06:35,854 --> 00:06:38,903 With a simple computer, anyone can enter and explore. 107 00:06:39,733 --> 00:06:42,862 That's what Julian Assange liked to do, explore. 108 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:46,915 He liked to use trap doors to enter where he wasn't supposed to go, 109 00:06:46,990 --> 00:06:49,618 to find secrets and expose them. 110 00:06:49,701 --> 00:06:53,422 He built a machine for leaking secrets and called it "WikiLeaks." 111 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:56,340 The website boasted an electronic drop box 112 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,589 that could receive secrets sent by people 113 00:06:58,668 --> 00:07:00,887 who didn't want to reveal who they were. 114 00:07:01,504 --> 00:07:03,598 Once WikiLeaks had the secrets, 115 00:07:03,673 --> 00:07:06,973 it would publish them across servers, domain names, and networks 116 00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:11,057 so numerous that the information could never be taken down. 117 00:07:11,181 --> 00:07:12,649 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 118 00:07:14,351 --> 00:07:17,651 So this is what you'll see if you go to the front page of the website- 119 00:07:17,729 --> 00:07:20,608 This is WikiLeaks, we help you get the truth out. 120 00:07:21,858 --> 00:07:25,112 We want to enable information to go out to the public 121 00:07:25,195 --> 00:07:28,324 that has the greatest chance of achieving 122 00:07:28,406 --> 00:07:31,956 positive political reform in the world. 123 00:07:32,035 --> 00:07:35,039 To get things to the public you need to protect sources 124 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,293 who want to disclose, 125 00:07:36,373 --> 00:07:42,380 and you also need to protect your ability to publish in the face of attack. 126 00:07:52,097 --> 00:07:55,852 ROBERT MANNE: His thinking is, how can we destroy corruption? 127 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:57,652 It's the whistle-blower. 128 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:03,701 Julian Assange is neither a right-wing libertarian nor a standard leftist. 129 00:08:04,192 --> 00:08:06,866 I think he's a humanitarian anarchist. 130 00:08:06,945 --> 00:08:09,664 A kind of John Lennon-like revolutionary, 131 00:08:09,739 --> 00:08:11,036 dreaming of a better world. 132 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:16,630 If we are to produce a more civilized society, a more just society, 133 00:08:16,913 --> 00:08:19,587 it has to be based upon the truth... 134 00:08:19,958 --> 00:08:21,960 HEATHER BROOKE: When I heard Julian speak, 135 00:08:22,085 --> 00:08:25,635 I was struck by his vaulting idealism 136 00:08:25,755 --> 00:08:28,474 and forthrightness about what he believed in. 137 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:32,850 Totally uncompromising about freedom of speech. 138 00:08:33,096 --> 00:08:36,441 I agreed almost entirely with everything he said, 139 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:39,944 and I'd never experienced that before. 140 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,193 So I thought he was amazing. 141 00:08:42,272 --> 00:08:45,867 Every week we achieve major victories 142 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:51,123 in bringing the unjust to account and helping the just. 143 00:08:51,239 --> 00:08:52,456 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 144 00:09:00,165 --> 00:09:02,509 NARRATOR: Before WikiLeaks was front page news, 145 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:04,669 there were some smaller successes. 146 00:09:05,003 --> 00:09:08,382 The website published evidence of a tax-evading Swiss bank, 147 00:09:08,673 --> 00:09:10,721 government corruption and murder in Kenya, 148 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:14,642 and a secret company report on illegal toxic waste dumping. 149 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:15,938 [HELICOPTER HOVERING] 150 00:09:17,265 --> 00:09:20,735 One early leak was from the National Security Agency. 151 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:23,438 Frantic text messages from desperate workers 152 00:09:23,521 --> 00:09:26,320 trying to save lives on 9/11. 153 00:09:31,738 --> 00:09:35,493 9/11 turned out to be a watershed moment for the world of secrets, 154 00:09:35,992 --> 00:09:38,666 both for the leakers and the secret keepers. 155 00:09:44,751 --> 00:09:49,006 After 9/11 we were accused of not being willing to share information 156 00:09:49,172 --> 00:09:51,015 rapidly and facilely enough, 157 00:09:51,174 --> 00:09:53,677 and we've pushed that very far forward. 158 00:09:54,177 --> 00:09:57,056 NARRATOR: Michael Hayden is an expert on secrets. 159 00:09:57,263 --> 00:10:00,984 He's been the director of the National Security Agency and the CIA. 160 00:10:01,059 --> 00:10:02,561 HAYDEN: In terms of our focus, 161 00:10:02,727 --> 00:10:06,277 the default option, in a practical sense, has been to sharing 162 00:10:06,356 --> 00:10:10,907 rather than caging information and making it more difficult to flow. 163 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:17,125 NARRATOR: In the years after 9/11, facing enemies it didn't understand, 164 00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:20,086 the U.S. government started sharing more information 165 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:21,879 between different agencies. 166 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:27,132 At the same time, the U.S. also started to keep more secrets from its citizens. 167 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:28,886 In data centers that sprang up all over the country, 168 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:31,056 NSA/CSS Cryptologic Center 169 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:32,173 the U.S. launched a massive expansion 170 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:34,510 of its operations to gather secrets. 171 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:37,346 The amount of classified documents per year increased from eight million 172 00:10:37,428 --> 00:10:38,645 Office of the Director of National Intelligence 173 00:10:38,721 --> 00:10:40,223 to 76 million. 174 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:42,142 The number of people with access to classified information 175 00:10:42,225 --> 00:10:43,727 NSA National Business Park 176 00:10:43,852 --> 00:10:45,695 soared to more than four million. 177 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:48,899 And the government began to intercept phone calls and emails 178 00:10:49,023 --> 00:10:51,276 at a rate of 60, 000 per second. 179 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:55,246 Nobody knows how much money is involved, 180 00:10:55,572 --> 00:10:56,789 it's a secret. 181 00:10:56,906 --> 00:10:59,284 Not even Congress knows the entire budget. 182 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:05,674 The classification system can be a very effective national security tool 183 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:09,382 when it's used as intended, when it's used with precision. 184 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:11,425 NARRATOR: During the Bush Administration, 185 00:11:11,546 --> 00:11:14,015 Bill Leonard was the classification czar, 186 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:17,928 the man charged with overseeing what information should be secret. 187 00:11:18,261 --> 00:11:21,515 The whole information environment has radically changed. 188 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:22,933 Just like we produce more information 189 00:11:23,057 --> 00:11:25,526 than we ever produced in the history of mankind, 190 00:11:25,602 --> 00:11:29,357 we produce more secrets than we've ever produced in the history of mankind, 191 00:11:29,439 --> 00:11:31,988 and yet we never fundamentally reassessed 192 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:35,324 our ability to control secrets. 193 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:39,328 NARRATOR: In this environment of expanding secrecy, 194 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:42,164 Assange went fishing for secrets to publish. 195 00:11:42,452 --> 00:11:46,173 To bait whistle-blowers, he published a list of the most wanted leaks. 196 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,669 Those of us who have been in the business a long time 197 00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:52,553 knew that this day would come, 198 00:11:52,795 --> 00:11:56,800 knew that because we'd removed all the watertight doors on the ship, 199 00:11:56,966 --> 00:12:00,345 once it started taking on water, it would really be in trouble. 200 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:01,722 [STATIC] 201 00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:43,763 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS] 202 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:04,284 NEWS ANCHOR: In Iceland, winter is never easy, 203 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:07,249 but this year much of the pain is manmade. 204 00:13:07,328 --> 00:13:08,545 [PEOPLE SCREAMING] 205 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:11,545 Last October, all three of Iceland's banks failed. 206 00:13:11,874 --> 00:13:16,095 Normally stoic and proper Icelanders have started protesting. 207 00:13:17,922 --> 00:13:22,268 NARRATOR: In July 2009, WikiLeaks fueled a growing popular rage 208 00:13:22,427 --> 00:13:25,727 when it published a confidential internal memo from Kaupthing, 209 00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:28,607 the largest failed bank in the country. 210 00:13:28,725 --> 00:13:31,729 BROOKE: WikiLeaks had got hold of the Kaupthing loan book, 211 00:13:31,894 --> 00:13:34,989 which showed what was going on in a lot of those Icelandic banks. 212 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:38,284 They had credit ratings which were completely at odds 213 00:13:38,443 --> 00:13:40,616 with their actual credit worthiness. 214 00:13:40,778 --> 00:13:42,576 It was all insiders, 215 00:13:42,739 --> 00:13:45,618 they took out billions of dollars out of this bank 216 00:13:45,783 --> 00:13:49,629 and bankrupted the thing shortly before it went bankrupt anyways. 217 00:13:50,747 --> 00:13:53,626 NARRATOR: A German IT technician, Daniel Domscheit-Berg, 218 00:13:53,916 --> 00:13:56,795 became the second full-time member of WikiLeaks. 219 00:13:57,420 --> 00:14:02,426 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: We met online first, and then we met personally in December 2007 220 00:14:02,633 --> 00:14:05,807 at the Chaos Communication Congress in Berlin. 221 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:09,816 He was not the stereotypical hacker you would expect, 222 00:14:09,974 --> 00:14:11,066 looked completely differently, 223 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:14,692 he was interested in completely different topics. 224 00:14:15,938 --> 00:14:19,943 NARRATOR: For Daniel and Julian, the Kaupthing leak was their biggest success to date. 225 00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:23,283 SMARI MCCARTHY: The loan book came out and took the country by storm. 226 00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:27,454 RUV, the national broadcaster, was going to do a big segment on it. 227 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:30,207 And they got slapped with an injunction. 228 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:31,378 [SPEAKING ICELANDIC] 229 00:14:31,454 --> 00:14:33,127 This evening, we had intended on releasing a full report 230 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,629 regarding the enormous credit facilities made available by Kaupthing 231 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:37,969 to the various companies of its shareholders. 232 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:39,637 However, we are prevented from doing so this evening... 233 00:14:39,754 --> 00:14:41,802 BIRGITTA JONSDOTTIR: It was the first time in our history 234 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:45,806 that a gag order was placed on the state TV not to produce that news 235 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:47,887 just before they were supposed to produce it. 236 00:14:48,012 --> 00:14:50,982 So instead of doing nothing they decided to put the website up. 237 00:14:51,057 --> 00:14:52,934 [SPEAKING ICELANDIC] 238 00:14:53,309 --> 00:14:55,107 MCCARTHY: Up pops WikiLeaks- org 239 00:14:55,186 --> 00:14:57,985 with this Kaupthing loan book front and center, 240 00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:00,737 and everybody goes online and checks it out. 241 00:15:01,526 --> 00:15:05,531 The guys at WikiLeaks definitely get massive props for that. [CHUCKLES] 242 00:15:08,116 --> 00:15:11,416 NARRATOR: Later that year, a group of young cyber-activists from Iceland 243 00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:14,501 invited representatives of the WikiLeaks organization 244 00:15:14,705 --> 00:15:17,049 to come speak at a conference in Reykjavik. 245 00:15:17,208 --> 00:15:19,210 JONSDOTTIR: Iceland and WikiLeaks really fit. 246 00:15:19,419 --> 00:15:22,719 This is something we really need in our society, the media failed us. 247 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,924 So I was excited to meet them. 248 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:28,644 Up until the day before the conference, 249 00:15:28,803 --> 00:15:30,055 we didn't know who was going to come. 250 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:33,399 It could be a massive organization or it could be a tiny organization. 251 00:15:33,558 --> 00:15:35,105 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] Hello? Um... 252 00:15:35,518 --> 00:15:36,815 Does that work? Okay. 253 00:15:37,145 --> 00:15:39,568 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: In the beginning we had no funding at all, 254 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:44,027 we were not set up with manpower nor organizationally, 255 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:45,866 so there was a lot to improvise. 256 00:15:46,195 --> 00:15:48,869 WikiLeaks, we haven't mentioned that what we are doing right now 257 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:50,248 is still a proof of concept. 258 00:15:50,408 --> 00:15:53,912 So in technical terms, we are in a beta stage, so it's just... 259 00:15:54,871 --> 00:15:56,589 We're not in a beta stage. Well... 260 00:15:56,706 --> 00:15:57,832 [AUDIENCE LAUGHING] 261 00:15:57,915 --> 00:16:01,510 We're not in a beta stage as far as... We're in a Gmail beta stage. 262 00:16:01,586 --> 00:16:02,929 [BOTH CHUCKLING] 263 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:07,551 So we 're not in a beta stage in terms of our ability to protect people. 264 00:16:07,717 --> 00:16:09,469 In terms of... 265 00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:10,724 Um... 266 00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:12,472 [AUDIENCE CHUCKLING] 267 00:16:12,555 --> 00:16:14,182 You could let me finish my sentence. 268 00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:15,357 Okay. 269 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:17,777 It was a really awkward experience in some way 270 00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:21,565 because we were just so famous over there. 271 00:16:21,898 --> 00:16:24,071 You work for WikiLeaks. 272 00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:26,076 WikiLeaks is now very famous in Iceland 273 00:16:26,235 --> 00:16:29,785 because of the big Kaupthing leak. 274 00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:32,913 We got this letter from the Kaupthing lawyers, 275 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:37,585 telling us that under Icelandic banking secrecy law 276 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:39,590 we deserved one year in prison. 277 00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:41,592 So we thought we'd come to Iceland... 278 00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:42,926 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: And see for ourselves. 279 00:16:43,044 --> 00:16:44,762 ...and see for ourselves. 280 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,598 [CROWD CHEERING] 281 00:16:48,508 --> 00:16:49,600 [ASSANGE SPEAKING] 282 00:16:49,717 --> 00:16:51,344 The banksters need to be put on public trial 283 00:16:51,427 --> 00:16:53,225 and given the justice they deserve. 284 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:56,023 More power to you, Iceland! 285 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:59,686 NARRATOR: Julian teamed up with Birgitta Jonsdottir, 286 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:01,399 a poet turned politician, 287 00:17:01,562 --> 00:17:05,612 to hatch a plan to turn Iceland into a haven for freedom of information. 288 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:09,453 But Julian was also preoccupied with a new source, 289 00:17:09,779 --> 00:17:13,374 one with access to classified U.S. government materials, 290 00:17:13,616 --> 00:17:15,368 and a willingness to leak them. 291 00:17:22,917 --> 00:17:23,964 [APACHE GUNNER SPEAKING] 292 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:25,090 See all those people standing down there... 293 00:17:25,169 --> 00:17:27,797 There's more that keep walking by and one of them has a weapon. 294 00:17:33,928 --> 00:17:34,975 [APACHE GUNNER SPEAKING] 295 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,056 We have five to six individuals with AK-47s. 296 00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:39,024 Request permission to engage. 297 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:43,480 NARRATOR: It was an on board video of an Apache helicopter gunship on patrol in Iraq. 298 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:44,943 [APACHE GUNNER SPEAKING] 299 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:46,774 I can't get 'em now because they're behind that building. 300 00:17:46,857 --> 00:17:49,861 NARRATOR: A half-mile above the ground, it was invisible to the people down below. 301 00:17:49,944 --> 00:17:50,991 [APACHE PILOT SPEAKING] 302 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:52,196 That's a weapon. 303 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,497 He's got an RPG. 304 00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:54,825 We got a guy with an RPG. 305 00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:55,954 I'm gonna fire. 306 00:17:56,617 --> 00:17:58,164 SOLDIER: You are free to engage, over. 307 00:17:58,244 --> 00:17:59,291 [APACHE PILOT SPEAKING] 308 00:17:59,370 --> 00:18:00,417 Light 'em all up. 309 00:18:00,496 --> 00:18:01,622 [GUNFIRE] 310 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:05,092 Keep shooting. 311 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:06,632 [APACHE PILOT SPEAKING] 312 00:18:06,711 --> 00:18:07,758 Keep shooting. 313 00:18:07,837 --> 00:18:08,884 [GUNFIRE CONTINUES] 314 00:18:09,338 --> 00:18:10,840 Keep shooting. 315 00:18:12,675 --> 00:18:13,722 [APACHE GUNNER SPEAKING] 316 00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:15,060 Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards. 317 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:17,684 NARRATOR: Two of the men killed worked for the Reuters news agency. 318 00:18:17,763 --> 00:18:18,810 [APACHE GUNNER SPEAKING] 319 00:18:18,889 --> 00:18:19,936 Nice. 320 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:22,189 NARRATOR: What had looked like a weapon from the sky, 321 00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:24,445 turned out to be the long lens of a camera. 322 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:25,567 APACHE PILOT: Bushmaster. 323 00:18:25,688 --> 00:18:28,407 We have a van that's approaching and picking up the bodies. 324 00:18:28,524 --> 00:18:29,525 [APACHE GUNNER SPEAKING] 325 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:30,701 Yeah, we're trying to get permission to engage. 326 00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:31,823 SOLDIER: This is Bushmaster-Seven. 327 00:18:31,902 --> 00:18:32,949 Roger, engage! 328 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:34,747 APACHE PILOT: One-Eight. Engage. Clear. 329 00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:36,540 APACHE GUNNER: Come on. [GUNFIRE] 330 00:18:39,035 --> 00:18:40,332 APACHE PILOT: Clear. 331 00:18:40,411 --> 00:18:41,754 [GUNFIRE] 332 00:18:42,246 --> 00:18:43,338 Clear. 333 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:45,007 APACHE GUNNER: We're engaging... 334 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:46,834 Oh, yeah, look at that. 335 00:18:46,917 --> 00:18:48,009 Right through the windshield! 336 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:49,177 [LAUGHS] 337 00:18:49,253 --> 00:18:51,051 NARRATOR: Inside the van were two children, 338 00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:53,053 who were wounded in the hail of cannon fire. 339 00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:54,429 [APACHE GUNNER SPEAKING] 340 00:18:54,550 --> 00:18:55,972 It's their fault for bringing their kids to a battle. 341 00:18:56,052 --> 00:18:57,099 APACHE PILOT: That's right. 342 00:19:13,819 --> 00:19:17,915 NARRATOR: In March 2010, Assange and a team of Icelandic activists 343 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:20,042 holed up in a rented house in Reykjavik 344 00:19:20,242 --> 00:19:22,586 to edit and prepare the video for publication. 345 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:28,755 We did most of our work here. 346 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:31,591 This was the operational table. 347 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:33,931 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS] 348 00:19:37,259 --> 00:19:41,981 McCARTHY: It was chaotic and hectic and all sorts of varyingly frayed nerves. 349 00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:45,150 Eventually I went out and bought a bunch of Post-its 350 00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:49,530 [LAUGHS] and kind of tried to figure out what it was we needed to do. 351 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:55,195 My horrific task was to go through the entire movie 352 00:19:55,403 --> 00:19:57,747 and pull out the stills to put on the website. 353 00:19:57,947 --> 00:20:00,996 And at the same time I was learning who these people were 354 00:20:01,158 --> 00:20:04,708 that I could see their flesh being torn off their bodies. 355 00:20:06,539 --> 00:20:07,631 Photographs taken by US soldier 356 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,209 NARRATOR: The Army claimed it was engaged in 357 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:12,295 "combat operations against a hostile force." 358 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:15,048 But it also began a criminal investigation. 359 00:20:15,297 --> 00:20:17,720 It turned out that the driver of the van 360 00:20:17,925 --> 00:20:20,724 had been a father taking his children to school. 361 00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:22,980 SOLDIER 1: I think I just drove over a body. 362 00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:24,648 SOLDIER 2: Really? SOLDIER 1: Yeah. 363 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,271 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS] 364 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:33,149 JONSDOTTIR: The curtains were drawn. 365 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:39,414 But I never had any sense that we were being watched, not physically. 366 00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:42,374 But we joked a lot about it. 367 00:20:42,533 --> 00:20:45,207 We were becoming super paranoid. 368 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:47,247 It wasn't really cloak-and-dagger stuff, 369 00:20:47,496 --> 00:20:50,170 it was just yet another cool project. 370 00:20:50,374 --> 00:20:53,719 Everybody thinks that we were sort of huddled over the computers 371 00:20:53,878 --> 00:20:55,880 and it was all very serious. 372 00:20:56,505 --> 00:20:58,724 We actually had an incredible time. 373 00:20:58,883 --> 00:21:01,887 The second last night we all went out 374 00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:05,602 and we were all wearing the same silver snowsuits. [LAUGHING] 375 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:09,192 MAN: WikiLeaks! [ALL LAUGHING] 376 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,483 Lava-leaks! 377 00:21:15,149 --> 00:21:17,368 JONSDOTTIR: It was an incredibly intimate time, 378 00:21:17,526 --> 00:21:19,574 because we were all working closely, we were working on something 379 00:21:19,737 --> 00:21:23,082 that we knew that could get us all in very serious trouble. 380 00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:27,169 And we were all willing to take that consequence. 381 00:21:30,873 --> 00:21:33,171 So my name is Julian Assange. 382 00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:35,336 I am the editor of WikiLeaks. 383 00:21:35,878 --> 00:21:37,130 Could you spell your name? 384 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:38,886 Julian, with an A. 385 00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,217 Assange. 386 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:44,012 MANNE: What's clear about him is he became a public figure 387 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:45,813 extraordinarily quickly. 388 00:21:46,514 --> 00:21:49,063 It was really April 2010 389 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:51,478 where he went from relative obscurity 390 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,817 into an absolutely central world figure. 391 00:21:53,979 --> 00:21:56,653 And he did it deliberately. He knew what he was doing. 392 00:21:56,857 --> 00:22:00,907 He decides to take on the American state, in public. 393 00:22:02,238 --> 00:22:05,959 NARRATOR: The team posted the unedited video on the WikiLeaks website. 394 00:22:06,033 --> 00:22:07,660 They also posted a shorter version 395 00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:10,046 edited for maximum impact. 396 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:12,589 Julian titled it "Collateral Murder. " 397 00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:17,212 And no surprise, it's getting reaction in Washington. 398 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:21,386 Our military will take every precaution necessary 399 00:22:21,465 --> 00:22:25,015 to ensure the safety and security of civilians. 400 00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:29,224 ASSANGE: The behavior of the pilots is like they are playing a computer game. 401 00:22:29,974 --> 00:22:31,942 Their desire was simply to kill. 402 00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:35,609 The Pentagon says that it sees no reason to investigate this any further. 403 00:22:35,771 --> 00:22:38,274 Its own inquiry found that the journalists' cameras 404 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,363 were mistaken for weapons. 405 00:22:40,526 --> 00:22:43,120 But the rules of engagement were followed. 406 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,579 If those killings were lawful under the rules of engagement, 407 00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:49,368 then the rules of engagement are wrong. 408 00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:51,371 Deeply wrong. 409 00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:53,505 HAYDEN: You've got this scene. 410 00:22:53,581 --> 00:22:56,050 Some may be ethically troubled by the scene. 411 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:57,843 Frankly, I'm not. 412 00:22:58,002 --> 00:23:00,004 But I can understand someone who's troubled by that 413 00:23:00,170 --> 00:23:03,720 and someone who wants the American people to know that, 414 00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:05,681 because the American people need to know 415 00:23:05,843 --> 00:23:09,143 what it is their government is doing for them. I actually share that view. 416 00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:11,724 When I was director of CIA, there was some stuff we were doing 417 00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:14,728 I wanted all 300 million Americans to know. 418 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:17,480 But I never figured out a way 419 00:23:17,688 --> 00:23:20,407 without informing a whole bunch of other people 420 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,568 who didn't have a right to that information, 421 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,321 and who may actually use that image or that fact 422 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:29,204 or that data or that message to harm my countrymen. 423 00:23:30,701 --> 00:23:32,920 LEONARD: From a national security point of view, 424 00:23:33,078 --> 00:23:37,549 there was absolutely no justification for withholding that videotape. 425 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,379 Number one, gunship video is like trading carols 426 00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:44,473 amongst soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. 427 00:23:44,632 --> 00:23:46,851 It's freely exchanged back and forth. 428 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:14,878 LEONARD: What's even more disturbing is that 429 00:24:14,995 --> 00:24:18,124 it was one in a series of efforts 430 00:24:18,207 --> 00:24:23,213 to withhold images of facts that were known. 431 00:24:24,672 --> 00:24:27,175 NARRATOR: Reuters knew its employees had been killed. 432 00:24:27,341 --> 00:24:31,016 The news agency requested the video, but the Army refused, 433 00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:33,180 claiming the video was classified. 434 00:24:33,597 --> 00:24:38,774 The fact that innocent people were killed in that helicopter attack, 435 00:24:38,936 --> 00:24:41,610 that was a known fact that was not classified. 436 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,319 NARRATOR: A record of the incident 437 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,486 and a word-for-word transcript of the pilots' conversation 438 00:24:46,694 --> 00:24:50,244 had already been published in a book called The Good Soldiers 439 00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:51,994 by a writer embedded with the Army. 440 00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:56,833 The Army later confirmed that the information was not classified. 441 00:24:56,912 --> 00:24:58,630 Yet the Army would prosecute the man 442 00:24:58,789 --> 00:25:00,791 who leaked the video to WikiLeaks. 443 00:25:01,542 --> 00:25:03,965 What kind of games was the Army playing? 444 00:25:04,378 --> 00:25:07,052 Why was a transcript less secret than a moving image? 445 00:25:07,256 --> 00:25:09,008 APACHE PILOT: We won't shoot anymore. 446 00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:13,141 LEONARD: Clearly the government recognizes the power of images. 447 00:25:14,096 --> 00:25:18,693 But the ultimate power of image is it helps people understand 448 00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:21,274 what it is this fact is that we all know. 449 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:24,774 Flag-draped coffins help us understand 450 00:25:24,982 --> 00:25:28,031 the consequences of sending our children off to war. 451 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:32,615 Pictures of detainee abuse in Abu Ghraib 452 00:25:32,823 --> 00:25:36,373 help us understand exactly what was taking place. 453 00:25:37,828 --> 00:25:42,334 Video of that unfortunate occurrence where innocent people were killed, 454 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:48,389 helps us understand that this is an inevitable consequence of war. 455 00:25:56,847 --> 00:25:57,894 [FEMALE REPORTER SPEAKING] 456 00:25:57,973 --> 00:25:59,020 How was the video obtained? 457 00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:03,859 We can't discuss our sourcing of the video. 458 00:26:32,841 --> 00:26:36,186 NARRATOR: Adrian Lamo was known as "the homeless hacker," 459 00:26:36,345 --> 00:26:38,518 a couch-surfing computer infiltrator 460 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,524 who had been convicted of hacking into The New York Times. 461 00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:47,156 In 2010, not long after the release of the Collateral Murder video, 462 00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:50,989 Lamo used Twitter to urge his followers to donate to WikiLeaks. 463 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:55,118 Only one day later he was contacted by someone with the screen name 464 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,157 "bradass87." 465 00:27:01,495 --> 00:27:05,045 LAMO: Frankly, I just didn't find what he had to say all that interesting at first, 466 00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:10,805 until he started making references to spilling secrets. 467 00:27:52,087 --> 00:27:57,093 LAMO: At that point, I knew that this wasn't some kind of game. 468 00:27:57,426 --> 00:28:01,101 It was for real and that I was going to have to make some very hard choices. 469 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:07,569 In Star Trek, every prospective commanding officer 470 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:12,234 is expected to pass a test called the "Kobayashi Maru." 471 00:28:12,816 --> 00:28:14,910 SAAVIK: Starship Enterprise on training mission 472 00:28:14,985 --> 00:28:16,237 to Gamma Hydra. 473 00:28:16,403 --> 00:28:19,122 COMPUTER: Alert. Klingon torpedoes activated. Alert. 474 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:20,541 Evasive action! 475 00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:21,663 [BEEPING] 476 00:28:23,327 --> 00:28:24,374 SAAVIK: Ah! 477 00:28:27,998 --> 00:28:30,126 LAMO: The test cannot be passed. 478 00:28:30,292 --> 00:28:34,297 It is there to see how they deal with a no-win situation. 479 00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:37,390 A no-win situation's a possibility every commander may face. 480 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,051 Has that never occurred to you? 481 00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:40,970 No, sir, it has not. 482 00:28:41,887 --> 00:28:45,892 LAMO: In this case, it was a no-win situation, 483 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:51,610 deciding what you're going to do when no matter what you do, 484 00:28:51,772 --> 00:28:54,446 you're going to screw somebody over. 485 00:28:55,484 --> 00:28:58,988 NARRATOR: Unsure what to do, Adrian contacted Tim Webster, 486 00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:02,333 a friend and former Army counterintelligence agent 487 00:29:02,491 --> 00:29:03,834 TIM WEBSTER: Adrian called me and said, 488 00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:06,415 "Hey, Tim, what would you do if somebody had approached you 489 00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:08,338 "and said, 'Hey, I'm leaking secrets. "' 490 00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:10,457 I thought it was a pretty stupid question, 491 00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:14,795 because of course Adrian knows exactly what I would have done in that situation. 492 00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:16,304 INTERVIEWER: What would you have done? 493 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,599 Well, of course, turned them in. 494 00:29:19,216 --> 00:29:22,186 There's no... There's nothing else you can do in that situation. 495 00:29:23,512 --> 00:29:26,356 But Adrian was on the fence about it ethically. 496 00:29:27,349 --> 00:29:30,694 On one hand, here was this kid leaking all this classified information, 497 00:29:30,894 --> 00:29:32,896 could potentially cost lives. 498 00:29:33,355 --> 00:29:36,905 On the other hand, here was this kid who had reached out to Adrian 499 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:40,454 in confidence and trusted him. 500 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,623 And Adrian took that pretty seriously. 501 00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:47,586 He indicated he didn't know who this person was, 502 00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:49,291 they were just a screen name. 503 00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,798 So, very quickly, of course, the first thing that 504 00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:54,593 anybody would be interested in is, who is this guy? 505 00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:53,249 JASON EDWARDS: I first met Bradley Manning at a New Year's Eve party. 506 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,965 It was a 1930s theme party. 507 00:31:57,249 --> 00:31:59,343 I was the Prince of Wales. 508 00:31:59,543 --> 00:32:03,468 And Brad showed up without any kind of 509 00:32:03,547 --> 00:32:06,972 costume or persona. 510 00:32:07,092 --> 00:32:09,720 I looked at him and he was small 511 00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:13,811 and had this kind of ingรฉnue expression on his face. 512 00:32:14,141 --> 00:32:17,816 This bright blond hair. And so I said, "Oh, Jean Harlow. " 513 00:32:23,108 --> 00:32:25,952 Wrote that on a name tag, slapped it on his chest, 514 00:32:26,153 --> 00:32:28,201 then we went on with the rest of the evening. 515 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:32,746 When I met him at the party, 516 00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:36,046 he made no mention to me that he was in the Army. 517 00:32:36,413 --> 00:32:37,790 This came as a surprise to me. 518 00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:46,472 NARRATOR: To get government money for college, 519 00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:48,968 Bradley Manning enlisted in the Army. 520 00:32:49,134 --> 00:32:51,978 In 2007, Manning began basic training. 521 00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:53,809 He was 19 years old. 522 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:58,352 Just weeks after he started, he was sent to a discharge unit 523 00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:01,108 to determine if he should stay in the Army. 524 00:33:01,605 --> 00:33:05,280 My locker was next to his and that's when I met him. 525 00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:10,577 Nobody puts their sister's picture with him posing next to his sister. 526 00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:14,121 It was kind of weird, but... Oh, well. 527 00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:19,711 But we knew right away he was gay. It was so obvious. But, so... 528 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,126 Not that I have a problem with it. 529 00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:27,259 He was small, a little bit effeminate and that made him 530 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:30,676 public enemy number one for drill sergeants to beat the macho into him. 531 00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:34,396 We're talking professional Army, 30-40-year-old people 532 00:33:34,596 --> 00:33:37,270 that would pick on him just to torment him. 533 00:33:38,058 --> 00:33:40,402 INTERVIEWER: And what happened? Did he get discharged? 534 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,235 No, the funny thing is, he was the least Army material of anybody there. 535 00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:47,113 And they all got discharged and he didn't. 536 00:33:48,902 --> 00:33:50,449 NARRATOR: Instead of discharging Manning, 537 00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:54,207 the Army decided to make him an intelligence analyst. 538 00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:55,625 INTEL ANALYST: There's a lot of components 539 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:56,747 that go with Intel analyst. 540 00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:58,328 US Army Intelligence Recruitment Video 541 00:33:58,411 --> 00:34:00,584 I'm in charge of the security, document security, 542 00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:03,338 physical security, personal security, like people's clearances. 543 00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,252 Does it make me feel like James Bond a little bit? 544 00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,424 Yeah, to some degree. 545 00:34:06,628 --> 00:34:08,676 What would I like the public to know about the Army'? 546 00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:11,174 We love what we do. 547 00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:15,937 JIHRLEAH SHOWMAN: He was definitely what society 548 00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:18,390 would label as a computer nerd. 549 00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:23,236 He was constantly up all night building specific computer programs. 550 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,614 INTERVIEWER: So he was unusually adept at computers? 551 00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:30,573 He's probably the first person in the military that I had met 552 00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:36,330 that is as talented as he was with computers. 553 00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:41,205 But I had to pull him aside several times for his lack of sleep. 554 00:34:41,705 --> 00:34:45,050 He was desperately addicted to soda. 555 00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:49,672 He drank approximately a liter to two liters every night. 556 00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:54,642 So he literally did not sleep, ever. 557 00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:56,436 [COMMANDER SHOUTING ORDERS] 558 00:34:56,678 --> 00:34:58,772 SHOWMAN: One time he was late for a formation 559 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:02,730 and he had a very public display, physically. 560 00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:05,946 He was jumping up and down, flailing his arms, 561 00:35:06,187 --> 00:35:08,030 screaming at the top of his lungs. 562 00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:11,284 And to me, I had never seen a soldier do that before. 563 00:35:11,443 --> 00:35:13,116 It had to be something else. 564 00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:14,867 A seizure or something like that 565 00:35:15,071 --> 00:35:17,950 because it was very radical body movement. 566 00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:22,124 But it wasn't something else. He didn't like messing up. 567 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,372 He had to have everything perfect. 568 00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:29,219 I actually recommended three times that he not deploy. 569 00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:31,338 [PHONE RINGING] 570 00:35:31,421 --> 00:35:32,468 [ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS] 571 00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:35,221 Hi, you've reached Brad Manning at my deployment phone number. 572 00:35:35,383 --> 00:35:38,011 Please leave a message or call me back later. Thank you. 573 00:35:38,094 --> 00:35:39,186 [BEEPS] 574 00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:46,444 NARRATOR: In October 2009, Bradley Manning was sent to Iraq, 575 00:35:46,728 --> 00:35:50,528 posted at Forward Operating Base Hammer, just outside of Baghdad. 576 00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:02,168 Baghdad 577 00:36:02,243 --> 00:36:05,338 SHOWMAN: We were the furthest FOB east that you could go around the Baghdad area. 578 00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:06,665 FOB Hammer 579 00:36:06,748 --> 00:36:09,752 It was definitely the best, most uneventful place 580 00:36:09,918 --> 00:36:11,386 you could have been deployed to. 581 00:36:12,087 --> 00:36:14,340 We never had any enemy fire. 582 00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:16,429 We could walk around without battle gear. 583 00:36:17,384 --> 00:36:21,764 We had a full gym. There was pool tables. There was a basketball court. 584 00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,519 We had a little movie theater. 585 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,855 We had a Pizza Hut, a Burger King. 586 00:36:26,142 --> 00:36:29,487 A place to get your hair cut. A place to get a massage. 587 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:32,273 We had air-conditioned living quarters. 588 00:36:32,482 --> 00:36:35,577 You could actually get cable and Internet in your room. 589 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:39,115 It was literally just a home away from home. 590 00:36:40,573 --> 00:36:41,916 [GUNFIRE] 591 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:53,094 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 592 00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:58,759 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 593 00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:46,355 When you receive intel in, it's extremely raw. 594 00:37:46,514 --> 00:37:48,516 A lot of the times it's even in Iraqi, 595 00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:51,527 so we have to actually get it translated and build a product 596 00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:55,407 so that the commander can actually make military decisions. 597 00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:59,239 NARRATOR: But much of the information available to Manning's intelligence unit 598 00:37:59,402 --> 00:38:02,201 had nothing to do with day-to-day combat operations. 599 00:38:02,405 --> 00:38:05,534 All of the analysts had access to central computer networks 600 00:38:05,742 --> 00:38:08,416 for the Armed Forces and the State Department. 601 00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:12,048 With a few key strokes, a skilled user could gain access 602 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:15,047 to vast streams of classified emails, memos 603 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:17,383 and reports from around the world. 604 00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:23,060 INTERVIEWER: Why was it that Private Manning had access to all that information? 605 00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:26,722 9/11. Very simple. 606 00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:30,734 The mindset changed after 9/11 from a need-to-know to a need-to-share. 607 00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:34,396 And the database that he had access to 608 00:38:34,729 --> 00:38:38,654 was a representation of the need for one entity of government 609 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:42,242 to share broadly information about its activities 610 00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:43,655 with another agency of government. 611 00:38:43,905 --> 00:38:45,578 How many people had access? 612 00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:48,084 It's a hard question to answer. 613 00:38:50,954 --> 00:38:53,002 NARRATOR: Manning was regarded as one of the smartest 614 00:38:53,081 --> 00:38:54,924 intelligence analysts in the unit. 615 00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:56,209 But more than others, 616 00:38:56,376 --> 00:38:59,755 he became increasingly distressed by the reports he was seeing. 617 00:39:54,726 --> 00:39:58,071 SHOWMAN: He back-talked a lot. He constantly wanted to debate. 618 00:39:58,146 --> 00:40:00,899 He wanted to be the person that disagreed with everybody. 619 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,361 We had a separate little conference room. 620 00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:08,657 It had a doorway but it didn't have a door that you could close. 621 00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:12,578 He'd go in there and just scream. 622 00:40:56,996 --> 00:40:58,043 [MARK DAVIS SPEAKING] 623 00:40:58,122 --> 00:40:59,123 Testing 1, 2, 3... 624 00:40:59,207 --> 00:41:00,459 this is, uh... 625 00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:02,794 reverse shot, audio only... 626 00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:04,716 for Assange. 627 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,508 DAVIS: I was trying to chase him after the Collateral Murder video, 628 00:41:08,675 --> 00:41:10,677 but he's a pretty evasive guy. 629 00:41:10,885 --> 00:41:14,890 He doesn't have a home, doesn't have an office, so it was no easy task. 630 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:19,443 I'd been chasing him for weeks and had one phone contact with him. 631 00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,238 But I heard he was speaking in Norway, so I jumped on a plane. 632 00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:32,077 Turned up in Oslo and sort of 633 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,790 shadowed him for a few days until things started to click. 634 00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:37,332 [ASSANGE SPEAKING] 635 00:41:37,412 --> 00:41:40,757 This is not the liberal democracy that we had all dreamed of. 636 00:41:40,832 --> 00:41:46,714 This is an encroaching, privatized censorship regime. 637 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:49,515 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 638 00:41:56,973 --> 00:41:58,225 [PEOPLE CHATTERING] 639 00:42:00,226 --> 00:42:01,318 So embarrassing. 640 00:42:01,394 --> 00:42:02,987 DAVIS: What's that? ASSANGE: Goddamn camera in my face. 641 00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:04,109 [DAVIS LAUGHING] 642 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:07,237 Congratulations. Thank you. Very, great chat, great speech. 643 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:11,912 At that time, he had an underground following, of which I was aware. 644 00:42:12,071 --> 00:42:14,199 He's Australian, he's from Melbourne. 645 00:42:14,615 --> 00:42:16,617 But he had no public profile really. 646 00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:21,293 [BRAKES SCREECHING] 647 00:42:22,457 --> 00:42:23,458 [DAVIS SPEAKING] 648 00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:24,588 WikiLeaks is not the first time 649 00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:26,544 you've come to the attention of the Australian public. 650 00:42:26,627 --> 00:42:28,379 You had another controversial period 651 00:42:28,463 --> 00:42:31,433 when you were involved with a group that was essentially 652 00:42:31,507 --> 00:42:32,850 trying to penetrate 653 00:42:32,967 --> 00:42:34,310 military computer systems. 654 00:42:34,385 --> 00:42:36,353 What was the motivation there? 655 00:42:36,637 --> 00:42:37,934 Well, it was two motivations. 656 00:42:38,014 --> 00:42:41,359 One was just intellectual exploration, 657 00:42:41,726 --> 00:42:44,650 and the challenge to do this. 658 00:42:44,979 --> 00:42:49,826 So if you're a teenager at this time in a suburb of Melbourne, 659 00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:55,703 and this was before there was public access to the Internet, 660 00:42:56,699 --> 00:43:00,044 this was an incredibly intellectually liberating thing 661 00:43:00,161 --> 00:43:03,381 to go out and explore the world with your mind. 662 00:43:06,709 --> 00:43:08,052 G'day, mate! 663 00:43:08,169 --> 00:43:09,386 [INDISTINCT CHATTER ON PHONE] 664 00:43:09,504 --> 00:43:11,882 No, a hacker's not someone that kills their victim, 665 00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:14,680 dismembers them, and cuts them into small pieces. 666 00:43:14,842 --> 00:43:16,469 Hackers do far more damage than that. 667 00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:19,851 Hackers, the mystery operators of the Internet. 668 00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:22,684 In the eyes of the law, they're criminal. 669 00:43:23,017 --> 00:43:24,189 But who are they? 670 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,363 It was a really interesting period in Melbourne in the early '90s. 671 00:43:27,522 --> 00:43:29,115 There was a few places on earth 672 00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:32,447 that really clicked into the Internet, pre-internet. 673 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,362 There was also a sense of rebelliousness, 674 00:43:34,529 --> 00:43:37,157 sort of an alternative political culture in Melbourne. 675 00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:38,373 All those things converged. 676 00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:41,377 And Julian was absolutely the core part of... 677 00:43:41,536 --> 00:43:43,379 It was almost the clichรฉ, the teen hacker. 678 00:43:43,871 --> 00:43:46,124 DAVID: Seventy-two million people dead'? 679 00:43:46,374 --> 00:43:49,218 Is this a game 680 00:43:49,961 --> 00:43:51,383 or is it real? 681 00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:53,639 [COMPUTER SPEAKING] 682 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:54,761 Oh, wow. 683 00:43:54,841 --> 00:43:56,889 MANNE: Their struggle was against the state. 684 00:43:57,468 --> 00:44:01,723 And they thought that triumph of intelligent individuals 685 00:44:01,931 --> 00:44:05,185 over the possibility of state surveillance, 686 00:44:05,268 --> 00:44:06,895 that's the heart of what they were doing. 687 00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:10,072 And Julian Assange, who at that point was a young hacker, 688 00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:11,236 got into that world. 689 00:44:11,357 --> 00:44:12,574 We're going to show 'em, baby. 690 00:44:12,817 --> 00:44:15,161 MANNE: And he became a central figure. 691 00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:19,328 NARRATOR: The group was called the International Subversives. 692 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,500 Among them was Julian Assange, 693 00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:23,912 known by the online name of Mendax, 694 00:44:24,078 --> 00:44:26,957 short for a Latin phrase meaning "noble liar. " 695 00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:32,129 Hackers in Melbourne were also suspects in the WANK worm attack, 696 00:44:32,295 --> 00:44:33,968 though their involvement was never proven. 697 00:44:35,214 --> 00:44:36,887 Two years after the WANK worm, 698 00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:39,344 Assange was implicated in another hack. 699 00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:44,437 REPORTER: Julian Assange allegedly accessed computer systems around the world 700 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,022 through weak links in the Internet system, 701 00:44:47,435 --> 00:44:50,109 meaning, "The whole computer opened up to him 702 00:44:50,313 --> 00:44:53,317 "and he could walk around like God Almighty." 703 00:44:53,441 --> 00:44:57,196 Hackers have this belief that we are getting a police state, 704 00:44:57,361 --> 00:45:00,786 that information is being hidden from the broad community... 705 00:45:01,032 --> 00:45:03,160 NARRATOR: Ken Day was an Australian expert on hackers 706 00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:06,378 and the first person to investigate Julian Assange 707 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:09,882 as part of an undercover sting called Operation Weather. 708 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,502 DAY: It was a very difficult case 709 00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:14,511 because it was only the second time we'd done 710 00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:18,345 an investigation in this particular style, so we were still learning. 711 00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:19,809 [MODEM CONNECTING] 712 00:45:20,009 --> 00:45:24,310 What we did was capture the sound going across the telephone line, 713 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,685 so we could see what was typed and the signal coming back. 714 00:45:29,185 --> 00:45:32,359 NARRATOR: The hackers had broken into the U.S. Air Force, the Navy, 715 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,857 and the U.S. defense network 716 00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:37,030 that had the power to block entire countries from the Internet. 717 00:45:37,485 --> 00:45:41,490 We had a back door in U.S. military security coordination center. 718 00:45:41,822 --> 00:45:44,666 This is the peak security... 719 00:45:45,326 --> 00:45:49,331 It's for controlling the security of MILNET, the U.S. military Internet. 720 00:45:49,664 --> 00:45:52,338 We had total control over this for two years. 721 00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:56,964 DAY: The Internet was a new frontier for people to go out and express themselves 722 00:45:57,338 --> 00:45:59,841 that "I am there, I am the first, lam the all-powerful." 723 00:46:00,091 --> 00:46:03,516 This is the common theme with people that are hackers. 724 00:46:04,011 --> 00:46:06,981 It was all ego-driven, "I am the best." 725 00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:15,069 NARRATOR: Julian was charged with 29 counts of penetrating, altering, 726 00:46:15,231 --> 00:46:17,233 and destroying government data. 727 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:19,902 The defense asked the court to be lenient 728 00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:22,242 because Assange had lived a difficult childhood, 729 00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:24,407 continually moving from city to city 730 00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:26,993 with no lasting relationships. 731 00:46:27,201 --> 00:46:30,796 His only constant connection with the outside world was the Internet. 732 00:46:32,248 --> 00:46:34,751 NARRATOR: After a five year investigation and trial, 733 00:46:34,917 --> 00:46:37,636 Julian pied guilty to 24 hacking offenses. 734 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:40,719 He was sentenced to three years of probation. 735 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:43,426 DAY: He believes that what he was doing was not wrong, 736 00:46:43,592 --> 00:46:46,061 and probably rues the day that he pied guilty- 737 00:46:46,887 --> 00:46:49,356 Julian does not like being judged. 738 00:46:49,515 --> 00:46:53,361 His rationalization is, "Yeah, I've been convicted, but it was unjust. 739 00:46:53,561 --> 00:46:55,359 "It's unfair. I'm a martyr." 740 00:46:55,855 --> 00:46:56,902 He didn't accept it. 741 00:46:58,024 --> 00:47:00,777 DAVIS: Julian always had quite a rigid political view. 742 00:47:01,027 --> 00:47:04,907 He's always believed that there's these secrets that need to be discovered. 743 00:47:05,906 --> 00:47:09,956 At 17, 18, Julian was looking at stuff that he couldn't quite understand. 744 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,248 It's all in acronyms, it's descriptions of movements here and there, 745 00:47:13,414 --> 00:47:14,586 of weapons or of troops. 746 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:16,633 He wasn't ready to do anything with it. 747 00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:19,925 Indeed, he waited 20 years to see it again. 748 00:47:20,463 --> 00:47:22,136 And when he saw it again, 749 00:47:22,757 --> 00:47:23,974 he knew what to do with it this time. 750 00:47:24,091 --> 00:47:25,638 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 751 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,309 NARRATOR: Months before he received the helicopter video, 752 00:47:28,471 --> 00:47:31,975 Assange was trolling through hacker conferences, looking for leaks. 753 00:47:32,141 --> 00:47:34,109 Why am I talking to you guys at all? 754 00:47:34,185 --> 00:47:35,903 Um... Well, 755 00:47:35,978 --> 00:47:39,983 you have a "capture the flag" contest here. 756 00:47:40,649 --> 00:47:42,492 We have our own list of flags, 757 00:47:42,818 --> 00:47:44,320 and we want you to capture them. 758 00:47:45,154 --> 00:47:49,159 And so if you Google for "WikiLeaks Most Wanted 2009, " 759 00:47:49,658 --> 00:47:52,127 you'll see a list of documents. 760 00:47:52,953 --> 00:47:56,833 If you are in a position or you know someone who's in a position 761 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:01,137 to get this material, and get it, give it to us, no questions asked, 762 00:48:01,504 --> 00:48:03,506 you will help change history. 763 00:48:03,631 --> 00:48:04,848 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 764 00:48:05,674 --> 00:48:07,642 NARRATOR: One month into Manning's deployment, 765 00:48:07,802 --> 00:48:10,305 WikiLeaks published the 9/11 pager messages. 766 00:48:10,721 --> 00:48:11,768 Manning took notice. 767 00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:20,652 Only days later, 768 00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:24,281 he saved Julian Assange's contact information to his computer. 769 00:48:25,152 --> 00:48:28,782 Then taking a cue from the WikiLeaks Most Wanted List, 770 00:48:28,906 --> 00:48:32,501 Manning began searching for CIA detainee interrogation videos 771 00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:35,664 on the classified networks that were cleared for his use. 772 00:48:38,332 --> 00:48:40,585 Like other potential whistle-blowers, 773 00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:43,504 he began to wonder if he had access to secret information 774 00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:45,510 the public should know. 775 00:48:45,881 --> 00:48:47,508 In the course of his work 776 00:48:47,591 --> 00:48:50,390 he had already downloaded thousands of military reports 777 00:48:50,553 --> 00:48:52,555 from Iraq and Afghanistan. 778 00:48:53,264 --> 00:48:55,358 It was there that he captured his flags. 779 00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,647 A lot of flags. 780 00:49:33,095 --> 00:49:35,097 NARRATOR: While Manning was playing with a new identity, 781 00:49:35,264 --> 00:49:38,017 he was also imagining a new role for himself. 782 00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:40,527 He visited his boyfriend in Boston 783 00:49:40,853 --> 00:49:43,276 and went to a party at a college hackerspace, 784 00:49:43,564 --> 00:49:45,817 where he was caught on camera. 785 00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:49,453 During this period, maybe even at this moment, 786 00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:53,916 Manning had in his possession nearly 500, 000 classified documents 787 00:49:54,158 --> 00:49:56,252 about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. 788 00:49:56,994 --> 00:49:59,417 While on leave, he contacted The Washington Post 789 00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:01,082 and The New York Times. 790 00:50:01,248 --> 00:50:02,750 When neither showed interest 791 00:50:02,917 --> 00:50:06,137 Manning sent the so-called "war logs" to WikiLeaks. 792 00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:36,288 MEREDITH VIEIRA: Good morning. Him? 793 00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:38,828 How would an Army private allegedly gain access 794 00:50:38,953 --> 00:50:40,170 to top secret information? 795 00:50:40,329 --> 00:50:42,331 The Army has detained a U.S. soldier 796 00:50:42,623 --> 00:50:45,342 in connection with the leak of this classified video. 797 00:50:45,459 --> 00:50:49,965 REPORTER 1: The prime suspect is 22-year-old Army Private First Class Bradley Manning. 798 00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:53,304 For allegedly leaking this classified gun camera video 799 00:50:53,509 --> 00:50:55,807 of an Apache helicopter attacking civilians. 800 00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:58,223 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: Really in the first few days after we heard 801 00:50:58,305 --> 00:51:00,478 about this problem with Private Manning, 802 00:51:00,641 --> 00:51:03,645 it felt like the worst possible scenario. 803 00:51:03,811 --> 00:51:07,315 At that time not really understanding what it means for us, 804 00:51:07,565 --> 00:51:09,988 and what the hell was actually going on. 805 00:51:10,317 --> 00:51:11,910 REPORTER 2: Private First Class Bradley Manning, 806 00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:15,414 he found a former computer hacker in Sacramento, California 807 00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:18,668 and that former computer hacker was growing increasingly alarmed, 808 00:51:18,826 --> 00:51:20,828 eventually turning him in. 809 00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:26,505 LAMO: He needed a friend, and I wish that I could have been that friend. 810 00:51:27,501 --> 00:51:32,257 There was a responsibility to the needs of the many 811 00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:35,635 rather than simply the needs of Bradley Manning. 812 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:38,103 NARRATOR: Lamo met with federal agents 813 00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:41,106 and gave them a copy of his chats with Bradley Manning. 814 00:51:41,265 --> 00:51:42,983 He also gave a copy to Kevin Poulsen, 815 00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:45,273 a friend and former convicted hacker, 816 00:51:45,477 --> 00:51:47,900 who is now an editor at Wired. com. 817 00:51:48,314 --> 00:51:52,694 KEVIN POULSEN: I had just done a story about Adrian being institutionalized. 818 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,451 While he was institutionalized, they had adjusted his medications. 819 00:51:56,989 --> 00:51:59,083 I almost had kind of a suspicion that 820 00:51:59,158 --> 00:52:02,002 maybe his new medications weren't agreeing with him 821 00:52:02,077 --> 00:52:06,207 and this was A Beautiful Mind situation, and he was imagining all this. 822 00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:10,424 NARRATOR: Lamo gave Poulsen the okay to publish the story, 823 00:52:10,586 --> 00:52:15,057 and days later, Wired.com broke the news of Manning's arrest. 824 00:52:15,215 --> 00:52:16,888 WEBSTER: Nobody wanted Adrian to go to the media, 825 00:52:17,009 --> 00:52:18,761 but apparently it was already done. 826 00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:22,306 And, well, he ended up approaching a lot of media after that. 827 00:52:22,389 --> 00:52:23,686 It just sort of exploded. 828 00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:27,311 Did it make you feel patriotic when you turned Manning in? 829 00:52:27,436 --> 00:52:30,940 It made me feel very sad 830 00:52:31,023 --> 00:52:35,244 that I could not have interdicted this leak... 831 00:52:35,402 --> 00:52:39,908 I believed that his actions were endangering lives... 832 00:52:40,908 --> 00:52:43,912 POULSEN: Adrian lives his life as though he's writing it like a novel. 833 00:52:44,078 --> 00:52:46,080 And every novelist wants to be read. 834 00:52:47,414 --> 00:52:52,762 LAMO: It's my job to play the role that I'm cast in to the very best of my ability, 835 00:52:52,961 --> 00:52:55,635 the same as any other actor. 836 00:52:55,923 --> 00:53:00,144 You can't possibly be yourself in the public eye. 837 00:53:00,594 --> 00:53:02,972 All of the little things that make us human 838 00:53:03,138 --> 00:53:06,813 don't stand up under the scrutiny of the camera. 839 00:53:07,101 --> 00:53:12,449 I'd like to also point out that I think that this marks the end 840 00:53:12,606 --> 00:53:16,782 of WikiLeaks's ability to say that they have never had a source be outed. 841 00:53:18,112 --> 00:53:19,159 [DAVIS SPEAKING] 842 00:53:19,279 --> 00:53:20,656 So what's been the update on Manning? 843 00:53:20,781 --> 00:53:22,624 Gimme the news, it's only two days old. 844 00:53:22,741 --> 00:53:25,415 So he has been charged with espionage. 845 00:53:25,786 --> 00:53:28,130 The allegation being that he has transferred 846 00:53:28,288 --> 00:53:32,794 at least 50 classified cables to another party. 847 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,633 The other party is not named. 848 00:53:34,795 --> 00:53:37,469 DAVIS: After Bradley Manning was arrested, 849 00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:41,636 attention shifted very much to Julian, it was no longer a secret. 850 00:53:42,636 --> 00:53:45,606 The pressure through this period was intense. 851 00:53:46,974 --> 00:53:49,818 Julian won't say where he got that material, 852 00:53:50,144 --> 00:53:52,567 but he had the material, there was no question about that. 853 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:56,738 ASSANGE: We try extremely hard to never know who our sources are. 854 00:53:56,984 --> 00:54:00,158 So, all our encryption technology is designed 855 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,493 to prevent us knowing who our sources are. 856 00:54:03,073 --> 00:54:04,245 NARRATOR: Was it really possible 857 00:54:04,366 --> 00:54:07,961 that Julian didn't know that Bradley Manning was his source? 858 00:54:08,203 --> 00:54:10,956 Or was saying so an old Mendax tactic, 859 00:54:11,165 --> 00:54:13,509 telling a lie for a noble cause? 860 00:54:14,126 --> 00:54:16,003 STEPHEN GREY: Private First Class Bradley Manning 861 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:17,383 is now said to have confessed 862 00:54:17,463 --> 00:54:21,639 to passing more than 260,000 documents to WikiLeaks. 863 00:54:22,468 --> 00:54:23,685 That's not true. 864 00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:27,265 If he's the one, then that implies there's much more to be released. 865 00:54:27,473 --> 00:54:28,975 Stephen Grey for Channel 4 News. 866 00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:30,646 Thanks, Stephen, thanks... 867 00:54:30,726 --> 00:54:33,479 now I have every fucking gun pointed at me. 868 00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:36,611 NARRATOR: Julian knew how much more there was. 869 00:54:36,857 --> 00:54:39,952 But now that Manning was arrested, the question became, 870 00:54:40,068 --> 00:54:42,742 would WikiLeaks put Manning in greater jeopardy 871 00:54:42,905 --> 00:54:45,533 by continuing to release his materials? 872 00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:48,202 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: It's certainly a very problematic situation. 873 00:54:48,786 --> 00:54:51,039 This is about as serious as it can get. 874 00:54:52,372 --> 00:54:55,546 ASSANGE: We have a situation where there's a young man, Bradley Manning, 875 00:54:55,709 --> 00:54:58,758 who's alleged to be a source for the Collateral Murder video. 876 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:02,391 We do not know whether Mr. Manning is our source or not. 877 00:55:02,591 --> 00:55:07,097 But what we do know is that we promised the source 878 00:55:07,262 --> 00:55:10,607 that we would publish everything that they gave to us. 879 00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:18,407 NARRATOR: Even though his potential source had been arrested, 880 00:55:18,607 --> 00:55:21,531 Assange was undeterred from the WikiLeaks mission. 881 00:55:21,693 --> 00:55:25,368 And the hundreds of thousands of leaked U.S. government secrets he possessed 882 00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:27,700 were burning a hole in his pocket. 883 00:55:30,369 --> 00:55:33,418 Julian traveled around Europe plotting his next move, 884 00:55:33,580 --> 00:55:37,585 and in Brussels he was tracked down by investigative journalist Nick Davies. 885 00:55:37,751 --> 00:55:39,424 DAVIES: My pitch to Julian was, 886 00:55:39,586 --> 00:55:42,760 instead of posting this secret material on the WikiLeaks website, 887 00:55:43,006 --> 00:55:47,182 he shared it with an alliance of The Guardian and other media groups, 888 00:55:47,344 --> 00:55:48,766 including The New York Times. 889 00:55:48,929 --> 00:55:53,275 Who, A, have the impact of reaching millions of people instantly 890 00:55:53,392 --> 00:55:57,192 and also have natural political connections in their own jurisdictions. 891 00:55:57,271 --> 00:56:00,616 So we were trying to give him a kind of political immunity 892 00:56:00,858 --> 00:56:03,532 so that he could do this clearly provocative 893 00:56:03,735 --> 00:56:05,612 and somewhat dangerous thing 894 00:56:05,779 --> 00:56:09,033 in relative safety and with an assurance of success. 895 00:56:13,078 --> 00:56:16,799 NARRATOR: Recognizing that WikiLeaks could benefit from a louder megaphone, 896 00:56:17,124 --> 00:56:19,092 Julian agreed to Nick's proposal. 897 00:56:19,293 --> 00:56:21,967 DAVIES: So, how am I going to get the documents back to London? 898 00:56:22,212 --> 00:56:23,259 There was a little bit of a risk 899 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:25,883 that if the authorities were monitoring his communications, 900 00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:27,096 as they might well have been, 901 00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:29,557 they would be aware of my involvement with him, 902 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,722 they would arrest me as I came back into the United Kingdom, 903 00:56:31,847 --> 00:56:33,941 and take the material if I had it on a laptop. 904 00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:35,893 We thought about a memory stick, maybe they won't spot that? 905 00:56:35,976 --> 00:56:37,273 He came up with a much better solution. 906 00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:40,273 He said that he would create a website. 907 00:56:46,695 --> 00:56:49,494 In order to access the website, I would need a password. 908 00:56:49,656 --> 00:56:52,409 So he took a paper napkin that was on the table in this cafรฉ 909 00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:54,249 where we were talking in Brussels 910 00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:58,416 and he hooked together several of the words in the commercial logo 911 00:56:58,665 --> 00:57:00,667 and wrote, "No capital letters. " 912 00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:03,257 I stuffed it in my pocket. 913 00:57:03,337 --> 00:57:05,089 In the event that I was arrested, people would assume 914 00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:07,053 that it was something I was going to blow my nose on. 915 00:57:07,174 --> 00:57:09,097 And so it was I traveled back to the United Kingdom, 916 00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:11,432 and, as it happened, nobody stopped me so itwas all cool. 917 00:57:12,846 --> 00:57:13,938 NARRATOR: Julian would also team up 918 00:57:14,097 --> 00:57:17,397 with the London-based Bureau for Investigative Journalism. 919 00:57:17,601 --> 00:57:19,945 In a prearranged drop point in Central London, 920 00:57:20,103 --> 00:57:21,855 Julian met lain Overton. 921 00:57:22,105 --> 00:57:23,903 We turned up and Julian was there 922 00:57:24,066 --> 00:57:25,739 wearing a bullet-proof vest 923 00:57:25,901 --> 00:57:27,528 and we had a Middle Eastern meal. 924 00:57:31,031 --> 00:57:32,533 And he revealed that he had 925 00:57:32,699 --> 00:57:36,954 the largest-ever military leak of documents in the history of leaks. 926 00:57:38,413 --> 00:57:42,168 NARRATOR: In the midst of this spy story was thrust Iain's young colleague, 927 00:57:42,376 --> 00:57:44,879 a computer whiz named James Ball. 928 00:57:45,087 --> 00:57:49,388 About 1:00 in the morning I took delivery on a USB stick 929 00:57:49,508 --> 00:57:52,603 of 390,000 secret U.S. military records. 930 00:57:53,595 --> 00:57:56,724 I make to leave and Julian asks me where I'm going. 931 00:57:56,890 --> 00:57:58,892 I said, "Well, I was going to go home. " 932 00:57:59,184 --> 00:58:01,607 He sort of pauses and goes, "No, don't do that. 933 00:58:01,770 --> 00:58:04,114 "I don't want your address linked to this address- 934 00:58:04,523 --> 00:58:08,323 "Can you find somewhere else to go at least for four or five hours?" 935 00:58:08,402 --> 00:58:10,575 I don't really think I can go and hit a club. 936 00:58:10,737 --> 00:58:12,580 I'd really hate having to try and explain 937 00:58:12,739 --> 00:58:16,744 losing 400,000 secret documents because I got a bit drunk. 938 00:58:39,766 --> 00:58:41,268 GAVIN MacFADYEN: Nobody had ever done this before. 939 00:58:41,518 --> 00:58:45,068 How do you have teams of intelligent people to go through this stuff? 940 00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:46,698 Nobody in my experience as a journalist 941 00:58:46,773 --> 00:58:50,778 had ever been confronted with a tenth of the mass of material he was. 942 00:58:50,902 --> 00:58:53,280 We're talking in a half a million lines of data. 943 00:58:53,447 --> 00:58:56,621 If in the old days you had to take half a million lines of data out, 944 00:58:56,742 --> 00:58:59,791 you'd have had 16 wheelbarrows out of the front door of the Pentagon. 945 00:58:59,953 --> 00:59:03,082 This was the biggest leak of secret material 946 00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:05,125 in the history of this particular planet. 947 00:59:07,878 --> 00:59:10,427 NARRATOR: Julian decided that the first release of material 948 00:59:10,589 --> 00:59:12,262 would be the Afghan War Logs. 949 00:59:12,424 --> 00:59:14,142 But he had to understand them first. 950 00:59:15,218 --> 00:59:18,313 In London, The Guardian set up a secret operation 951 00:59:18,388 --> 00:59:20,140 with key military reporters 952 00:59:20,307 --> 00:59:23,311 from The New York Times and the German magazine Der Spiegel, 953 00:59:23,435 --> 00:59:25,278 veteran journalists who could penetrate 954 00:59:25,353 --> 00:59:28,106 the arcane language of the military. 955 00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:30,192 ASSANGE: You've got much more information than you have in this. 956 00:59:30,275 --> 00:59:32,027 But here's the key part... 957 00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:33,654 DAVIES: During the four or five weeks 958 00:59:33,779 --> 00:59:36,123 when the reporters were working on the Afghan War Logs, 959 00:59:36,323 --> 00:59:39,827 all of us became concerned that there was material in there 960 00:59:39,993 --> 00:59:43,918 which, if published, could get people hurt on the ground in Afghanistan. 961 00:59:44,122 --> 00:59:46,966 ASSANGE: This huge attack goes for 22 hours or something. 962 00:59:47,959 --> 00:59:49,131 Starts here. 963 00:59:49,336 --> 00:59:52,010 DAVIES: This particularly related to ordinary Afghan civilians 964 00:59:52,214 --> 00:59:54,717 who in one operation or incident or another 965 00:59:54,883 --> 00:59:57,102 had given information to Coalition forces 966 00:59:57,427 --> 01:00:01,728 and that was recorded in there in such a way that those civilians were identifiable. 967 01:00:09,397 --> 01:00:12,276 I raised this with Julian and he said, 968 01:00:12,526 --> 01:00:16,201 "if an Afghan civilian helps Coalition forces, he deserves to die," 969 01:00:16,363 --> 01:00:19,788 and he went on to explain that they have the status of a collaborator or an informer. 970 01:00:19,866 --> 01:00:20,958 Now... 971 01:00:21,034 --> 01:00:23,287 INTERVIEWER: Are you sure about that? That's definitely what he said? 972 01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:24,622 I have absolutely no doubt about it at all. 973 01:00:24,704 --> 01:00:27,207 This was just me and him talking through the detail of how we handle this. 974 01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:30,260 And this problem, potential problem, had already come up. 975 01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:31,712 A, it's a moral problem, 976 01:00:31,878 --> 01:00:34,882 we are not here to publish material that gets people killed. 977 01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:39,053 B, if you publish information which really does get people hurt, 978 01:00:39,219 --> 01:00:41,267 or could conceivably get people hurt, 979 01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:43,397 you lose your political immunity, 980 01:00:43,557 --> 01:00:48,028 you're terribly vulnerable to the most obvious propaganda attack 981 01:00:48,186 --> 01:00:49,904 which is waiting for us in the wings 982 01:00:50,063 --> 01:00:51,861 that you are helping the bad guys. 983 01:00:54,568 --> 01:00:56,070 Julian's a computer hacker, 984 01:00:56,236 --> 01:00:59,740 he comes from that ideology that all information is good, 985 01:00:59,906 --> 01:01:01,908 and everything should be published. 986 01:01:02,576 --> 01:01:04,999 HOST: I asked Julian if he would publish information sent to his website 987 01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:06,170 WNYC - "On The Media" March 2009 988 01:01:06,246 --> 01:01:08,340 that could lead to the deaths of innocents, 989 01:01:08,415 --> 01:01:12,090 such as how to release anthrax into a town's water supply. 990 01:01:12,544 --> 01:01:14,888 [ASSANGE SPEAKING] 991 01:01:18,925 --> 01:01:22,896 OVERTON: This is a man whose primary way of interacting with the world 992 01:01:23,054 --> 01:01:24,397 is a digital one. 993 01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:30,397 It is to some degree unsullied by the limitations of human nature. 994 01:01:30,562 --> 01:01:34,988 He does sometimes reduce human activity to something formulaic, 995 01:01:35,233 --> 01:01:37,235 and he doesn't see the human heart beating in there. 996 01:01:37,736 --> 01:01:40,535 He just reduced it to that very, very simple formula. 997 01:01:40,614 --> 01:01:43,037 "They speak to an occupying force, they must be bad, 998 01:01:43,116 --> 01:01:44,242 "the informer deserves to die." 999 01:01:47,287 --> 01:01:48,413 NARRATOR: The coalition of journalists 1000 01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:51,880 weren't used to working with a transparency radical like Assange, 1001 01:01:52,083 --> 01:01:55,212 and Assange was still learning the ethics of journalism. 1002 01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:57,639 They could only agree on one thing, 1003 01:01:57,714 --> 01:02:00,388 they were going to release the documents. 1004 01:02:05,889 --> 01:02:08,517 In London, a deadline was set for all the partners 1005 01:02:08,683 --> 01:02:10,151 to publish at the same time. 1006 01:02:10,977 --> 01:02:14,607 Julian finally agreed to redactions, the blacking out of names, 1007 01:02:14,773 --> 01:02:17,117 and told his partners he had a special process 1008 01:02:17,275 --> 01:02:20,620 which would eliminate the identity of sources from the documents. 1009 01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:23,285 But with less than a week before publication, 1010 01:02:23,448 --> 01:02:26,793 Assange had neglected to tell Domscheit-Berg in Berlin. 1011 01:02:27,661 --> 01:02:29,163 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: So, there we were, 1012 01:02:29,329 --> 01:02:32,333 four days before releasing 90,000 documents 1013 01:02:32,916 --> 01:02:35,044 and no redactions made. 1014 01:02:35,877 --> 01:02:38,005 ASSANGE ON COMPUTER: It is effectively impossible for us 1015 01:02:38,838 --> 01:02:42,843 to notify some of these Afghanis in their villages about this material. 1016 01:02:44,094 --> 01:02:47,143 It looks like we will have to do a redaction of some of them. 1017 01:02:47,222 --> 01:02:48,314 INTERVIEWER ON COMPUTER: Is that new for you? 1018 01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:50,893 You're effectively doing a bit of censorship yourself. 1019 01:02:51,017 --> 01:02:52,860 Yeah, that would be new for us, but remember... 1020 01:02:53,019 --> 01:02:54,362 NARRATOR: Time was running out. 1021 01:02:54,521 --> 01:02:55,693 Just before the release, 1022 01:02:55,814 --> 01:02:58,863 Assange focused on a section of 15,000 documents 1023 01:02:59,025 --> 01:03:01,027 that contained the most names. 1024 01:03:01,695 --> 01:03:05,495 In desperation, he turned to an unlikely source for help. 1025 01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,669 It was reported that WikiLeaks has asked the Department of Defense 1026 01:03:09,744 --> 01:03:14,375 for help in reviewing approximately 15,000 classified documents 1027 01:03:14,499 --> 01:03:16,547 that WikiLeaks obtained 1028 01:03:16,668 --> 01:03:19,387 in an unauthorized and inappropriate manner 1029 01:03:19,546 --> 01:03:23,050 before WikiLeaks releases those classified documents to the public. 1030 01:03:23,717 --> 01:03:26,971 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: Julian urged The New York Times to send a letter to the Pentagon 1031 01:03:27,053 --> 01:03:29,306 asking if they want to help with redactions, 1032 01:03:29,514 --> 01:03:30,811 and they refused, 1033 01:03:31,141 --> 01:03:33,564 and that was 24 hours before the release. 1034 01:03:33,727 --> 01:03:36,196 MORRELL: ...classified and sensitive information... 1035 01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:41,572 This notion that he didn't care about what was in that material is not true. 1036 01:03:41,693 --> 01:03:45,243 He was actually quite tortured by this material 1037 01:03:45,363 --> 01:03:47,832 and with very few resources. 1038 01:03:48,742 --> 01:03:51,370 By himself, day and night, he was consumed 1039 01:03:51,536 --> 01:03:55,131 with working out what to release and what not to release. 1040 01:03:55,206 --> 01:03:59,677 WikiLeaks is a tiny organization working on this huge scale. 1041 01:03:59,878 --> 01:04:02,051 It's going to make some mistakes. 1042 01:04:03,757 --> 01:04:05,759 Is Spiegel "I-E" or "E-l"? 1043 01:04:06,051 --> 01:04:07,348 MAN: I-E. 1044 01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:10,059 All right. Fuck that end of the press release. 1045 01:04:10,221 --> 01:04:12,690 DAVIS: He was without any support structure, 1046 01:04:12,891 --> 01:04:14,859 and he was about to do a press conference. 1047 01:04:15,018 --> 01:04:19,023 So, I'd say to him, "Julian, you need someone there. 1048 01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:21,237 "I mean, someone's got to write a press release 1049 01:04:21,399 --> 01:04:22,696 "or at least answer the phone." 1050 01:04:23,151 --> 01:04:24,448 [INDISTINCT] 1051 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:27,531 DAVIS: So it was just in the couple of days before that launch 1052 01:04:27,697 --> 01:04:30,120 that a couple of volunteer students came in. 1053 01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:31,288 ASSANGE: I'm going to go now, 1054 01:04:31,368 --> 01:04:33,791 but I just want to give you something to think about, which is, 1055 01:04:33,953 --> 01:04:37,048 we've got this press conference on, tomorrow. 1056 01:04:37,624 --> 01:04:43,176 We're going to be totally inundated. 1057 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:46,098 Completely totally inundated. 1058 01:04:46,174 --> 01:04:47,972 INTERVIEWER: Let's talk about WikiLeaks as an organization. 1059 01:04:48,134 --> 01:04:50,637 Mmm-hmm. Is this Apple or IBM, or is this... 1060 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,018 [CHUCKLES] It's a corner gas station, 1061 01:04:53,139 --> 01:04:55,141 with some extremely bright attendants. 1062 01:04:55,225 --> 01:04:56,568 [LAUGHING] 1063 01:04:57,060 --> 01:04:59,529 it was true that he tried to create an impression 1064 01:04:59,687 --> 01:05:01,234 that it was this very large organization. 1065 01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:05,448 It was Julian Assange, his $300 laptop, 1066 01:05:06,611 --> 01:05:07,703 10 SIM cards, 1067 01:05:07,862 --> 01:05:10,536 and a very cheap jacket 1068 01:05:10,824 --> 01:05:12,371 that he'd put on if he had to do an interview. 1069 01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:14,168 [ALARM RINGING] 1070 01:05:18,331 --> 01:05:20,333 DAVIS: He woke up late, of course. 1071 01:05:20,625 --> 01:05:22,798 I'm knocking on the door. "Julian, come on, man." 1072 01:05:23,503 --> 01:05:25,972 He gets up. Just his normal thing. 1073 01:05:29,134 --> 01:05:30,351 What's the time? What's the time? 1074 01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:32,312 DAVIS: Twenty-five to. 1075 01:05:32,512 --> 01:05:34,606 I also need to prepare a little list of things. All right. 1076 01:05:34,681 --> 01:05:35,773 [DAVIS SPEAKING] 1077 01:05:35,849 --> 01:05:36,850 I'll be two minutes. How are you feeling? 1078 01:05:37,517 --> 01:05:38,860 Tired. I haven't been to sleep. 1079 01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:40,357 But, good. 1080 01:05:40,854 --> 01:05:42,697 Fourteen pages in The Guardian this morning. 1081 01:05:43,106 --> 01:05:46,201 "Massive leak of secret files exposes true Afghan war." 1082 01:05:46,359 --> 01:05:48,361 We tell our sources maximum political impact, 1083 01:05:48,528 --> 01:05:50,121 and I think we got pretty close. 1084 01:05:50,321 --> 01:05:51,994 DAVIS: There's 10 trucks out there, 1085 01:05:52,198 --> 01:05:54,200 10 media trucks, [CHUCKLING] 10 media trucks. 1086 01:05:54,534 --> 01:05:55,535 Yep. 1087 01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,542 It'll be a good outcome. 1088 01:06:06,463 --> 01:06:11,139 DAVIS: He walked out that door as the sort of aging student hobo. 1089 01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:14,972 By the time he had made this 50-yard walk, 1090 01:06:15,180 --> 01:06:17,182 he was a rock star. 1091 01:06:17,348 --> 01:06:19,692 He was one of the most famous guys on the planet. 1092 01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:28,952 [PEOPLE CHATTERING] 1093 01:06:29,402 --> 01:06:30,619 [CAMERAS CLICKING] 1094 01:06:30,695 --> 01:06:32,038 Holy fuck. 1095 01:06:33,156 --> 01:06:36,706 ASSANGE: Most of you have read some of the morning papers. 1096 01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:39,542 So, this is The Guardian from this morning. 1097 01:06:40,288 --> 01:06:43,212 Fourteen pages about this topic. 1098 01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:47,171 It's clear that it will shape an understanding 1099 01:06:47,253 --> 01:06:50,257 of what the past six years of war has been like, 1100 01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:55,429 and that the course of the war needs to change. 1101 01:06:56,346 --> 01:06:58,940 NARRATOR: The war logs revealed a conflict that was very different 1102 01:06:59,098 --> 01:07:01,226 from what citizens had been told. 1103 01:07:01,392 --> 01:07:04,646 Civilian casualties were much higher than reported. 1104 01:07:04,812 --> 01:07:08,817 America's supposed ally, Pakistan, was playing a double game, 1105 01:07:08,983 --> 01:07:10,906 taking military aid from the U.S., 1106 01:07:11,069 --> 01:07:14,619 even while working with the Taliban to plan attacks in Afghanistan. 1107 01:07:15,532 --> 01:07:20,459 The war logs also revealed the existence of a secret American assassination squad, 1108 01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:24,796 with a terrible record of wounding and killing women and children. 1109 01:07:25,959 --> 01:07:27,586 [GUNFIRE] 1110 01:07:28,461 --> 01:07:32,261 LEONARD: There is nothing that will have greater consequences for our nation 1111 01:07:32,423 --> 01:07:35,393 than the unleashing of the brutality of war. 1112 01:07:35,552 --> 01:07:38,101 To have those types of decisions, 1113 01:07:38,179 --> 01:07:41,649 those types of deliberations, done in secrecy 1114 01:07:42,475 --> 01:07:44,819 is a tremendous disservice to the American people, 1115 01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:46,862 because these are things that are being done in their names. 1116 01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:49,324 And whether you agree with it or not, 1117 01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:52,986 to have a free back-and-forth airing of these is essential. 1118 01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:56,573 All the material is over seven months old, 1119 01:07:56,823 --> 01:07:59,827 so it's of no current operational consequence. 1120 01:08:00,410 --> 01:08:03,664 Now, in what circumstances wouldn't you publish information, 1121 01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:06,174 or are there any circumstances in which you wouldn't publish it? 1122 01:08:06,332 --> 01:08:08,676 We have a harm minimization process. 1123 01:08:08,835 --> 01:08:13,136 Our goal is just reform, our method is transparency. 1124 01:08:13,339 --> 01:08:15,842 But we do not put the method before the goal. 1125 01:08:16,217 --> 01:08:17,844 [REPORTERS CLAMORING] 1126 01:08:17,927 --> 01:08:19,019 Sorry. 1127 01:08:19,095 --> 01:08:21,598 DAVIES: To my amazement, Julian announced to the world, 1128 01:08:21,723 --> 01:08:25,694 "WikiLeaks always conducts a harm minimization process." 1129 01:08:25,852 --> 01:08:28,947 Julian had no harm minimization process in place at all. 1130 01:08:29,188 --> 01:08:32,533 INTERVIEWER: So, on the WikiLeaks side, were the redactions made? 1131 01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:34,026 No. 1132 01:08:34,193 --> 01:08:38,039 There were 15,000 documents in the end got held back. 1133 01:08:38,531 --> 01:08:41,034 But 75,000 documents were published, 1134 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,202 and they contained about 100 names. 1135 01:08:43,703 --> 01:08:45,501 NARRATOR: The newspapers published articles, 1136 01:08:45,663 --> 01:08:48,837 accompanied by only a few hundred redacted documents. 1137 01:08:48,916 --> 01:08:52,420 But even after the holdbacks, and despite Julian's promises, 1138 01:08:52,587 --> 01:08:56,262 WikiLeaks published 75,000 documents on its website 1139 01:08:56,507 --> 01:08:57,554 without redactions. 1140 01:08:58,343 --> 01:09:01,847 ROBERT GATES: The battlefield consequences of the release of these documents 1141 01:09:02,013 --> 01:09:04,732 are potentially severe and dangerous 1142 01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:07,068 for our troops, our allies 1143 01:09:07,518 --> 01:09:08,735 and Afghan partners. 1144 01:09:08,811 --> 01:09:10,063 [GUNFIRE] 1145 01:09:10,730 --> 01:09:13,859 DAVIES: I do not know whether anybody subsequently did get hurt- 1146 01:09:14,067 --> 01:09:16,069 The fact that the material was there 1147 01:09:16,235 --> 01:09:18,579 and identifiable as potentially dangerous 1148 01:09:18,821 --> 01:09:20,198 did the political damage. 1149 01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:22,163 When the material was first published, 1150 01:09:22,241 --> 01:09:26,667 the world was indeed talking about civilian casualties in Afghanistan, 1151 01:09:26,746 --> 01:09:30,421 and about the existence of a squad that was going out and killing Taliban. 1152 01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:33,003 But the White House managed the news, 1153 01:09:33,086 --> 01:09:36,511 and the story became "WikiLeaks has got blood on their hands." 1154 01:09:36,589 --> 01:09:38,808 ADM. MICHAEL MULLEN: Mr. Assange can say whatever he likes 1155 01:09:38,883 --> 01:09:40,009 about the greater good 1156 01:09:40,093 --> 01:09:43,814 he thinks he and his source are doing, 1157 01:09:43,888 --> 01:09:46,391 but the truth is they might already have on their hands 1158 01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:51,317 the blood of some young solider or that of an Afghan family. 1159 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,904 The people at WikiLeaks could have blood on their hands. 1160 01:09:55,024 --> 01:09:57,243 He does clearly have blood on his hands. 1161 01:09:57,402 --> 01:09:58,449 The blood is on their hands. 1162 01:09:59,821 --> 01:10:02,244 BROOKE: This is where we get into the information war. 1163 01:10:02,365 --> 01:10:06,836 That speculative blood became more important than the actual blood. 1164 01:10:07,161 --> 01:10:08,253 OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM 1165 01:10:08,329 --> 01:10:10,707 Coalition troop deaths: 3,936 Afghan civilian deaths: 15,500 - 17,400 1166 01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:11,837 Taliban deaths: 15,000 - 25,000 1167 01:10:11,916 --> 01:10:14,010 We already can see all that terrible stuff. 1168 01:10:14,168 --> 01:10:15,420 We know about that. 1169 01:10:15,545 --> 01:10:17,968 Let's focus on your nightmares. 1170 01:10:19,632 --> 01:10:20,804 How all these people might die 1171 01:10:20,883 --> 01:10:24,433 because the government's secrets have been unleashed. 1172 01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:26,522 DAVIES: As soon as they pick up this line 1173 01:10:26,597 --> 01:10:28,190 about who's got blood on their hands, 1174 01:10:28,266 --> 01:10:29,609 it's WikiLeaks being isolated, 1175 01:10:29,726 --> 01:10:31,399 and that, from a political point of view, 1176 01:10:31,477 --> 01:10:33,070 was a clever move by the White House. 1177 01:10:33,146 --> 01:10:34,819 They stepped all around any kind of argument 1178 01:10:34,981 --> 01:10:36,233 with these big news organizations 1179 01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:37,571 and isolated Julian. 1180 01:10:38,860 --> 01:10:41,830 NARRATOR: By creating a distinction between Assange and the newspapers, 1181 01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:44,532 the government avoided a war with the mainstream media 1182 01:10:44,657 --> 01:10:46,409 and invented a perfect enemy, 1183 01:10:46,826 --> 01:10:48,669 the guy Bradley Manning called 1184 01:10:48,828 --> 01:10:50,830 "the crazy, white-haired Aussie. " 1185 01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,754 What was your name? 1186 01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:54,963 [ASSANGE SPEAKING] 1187 01:10:55,042 --> 01:10:56,840 I don't know what it was, I know what it is. 1188 01:10:57,003 --> 01:10:58,380 What is your name? 1189 01:10:58,671 --> 01:11:00,014 Julian. 1190 01:11:00,465 --> 01:11:01,967 DAVIS: Is this taking some getting used to? 1191 01:11:02,049 --> 01:11:03,722 You've been pretty much in the shadows 1192 01:11:03,968 --> 01:11:07,188 as far as the media's concerned until recently. 1193 01:11:07,472 --> 01:11:12,353 We've grown a bit, so this is now a time for me to do it. 1194 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,813 WikiLeaks needs a face? 1195 01:11:15,688 --> 01:11:18,032 Yeah, the public demands that it has a face. 1196 01:11:18,191 --> 01:11:20,034 And actually we'd much sort of prefer, 1197 01:11:20,193 --> 01:11:21,661 I'd prefer, if it didn't have to have a face. 1198 01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:23,947 And we tried to do that for a while. 1199 01:11:24,030 --> 01:11:25,407 Urn... 1200 01:11:25,531 --> 01:11:27,033 And people... 1201 01:11:27,283 --> 01:11:30,878 Just the demand was sort of so great, people just started inventing faces. 1202 01:11:31,996 --> 01:11:33,498 INTERVIEWER 1: Some call him a hero, 1203 01:11:33,664 --> 01:11:36,213 some see him as a threat to national security. 1204 01:11:36,459 --> 01:11:37,802 Julian, thank you for joining us... 1205 01:11:37,877 --> 01:11:39,800 This afternoon I talked to the man behind the leaks... 1206 01:11:40,004 --> 01:11:41,722 LARRY KING: Julian Assange. INTERVIEWER 2: Julian Assange. 1207 01:11:41,881 --> 01:11:43,554 VIEIRA: Mr. Assange, good morning to you. 1208 01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:45,347 INTERVIEWER 3: What have the leaks achieved? 1209 01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:48,555 We have published more classified documents 1210 01:11:48,846 --> 01:11:50,723 than the rest of the world press combined. 1211 01:11:50,848 --> 01:11:52,065 INTERVIEWER 4: So it's journalistic. 1212 01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:54,853 I'm fond of the phrase, 1213 01:11:55,019 --> 01:11:56,566 "Lights on, rats out." 1214 01:11:57,230 --> 01:12:01,576 Do you feel you have accomplished what you wanted to 1215 01:12:01,734 --> 01:12:03,532 with the release of these documents? 1216 01:12:03,861 --> 01:12:05,204 Not yet. 1217 01:12:16,916 --> 01:12:18,634 You. What? 1218 01:12:18,793 --> 01:12:20,045 Jesus Christ. 1219 01:12:20,795 --> 01:12:23,218 So, two with you on the front. 1220 01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:25,933 My God, look... 1221 01:12:26,050 --> 01:12:27,393 Another double page spread. 1222 01:12:27,552 --> 01:12:29,054 JOSEPH FARRELL: I think that's the best photo. 1223 01:12:29,262 --> 01:12:30,559 That's not a bad photo. 1224 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,852 I think it's really good. 1225 01:12:31,931 --> 01:12:33,979 And then you've got... You've got your own banner 1226 01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:37,400 at the top here for three pages, in The Times. 1227 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,607 I'm untouchable now in this country. 1228 01:12:44,443 --> 01:12:46,036 DAVIS: Untouchable? ASSANGE: Untouchable. 1229 01:12:46,112 --> 01:12:47,614 DAVIS: That's a bit of hubris. 1230 01:12:47,697 --> 01:12:48,744 Huh? [DAVIS SPEAKING] 1231 01:12:48,823 --> 01:12:49,995 That's a bit of hubris. 1232 01:12:50,324 --> 01:12:52,201 Well, for a couple of days. 1233 01:12:52,326 --> 01:12:55,000 It can wear off. But the next few days, untouchable. 1234 01:13:00,293 --> 01:13:04,173 The founder of WikiLeaks found himself making news again today. 1235 01:13:04,297 --> 01:13:07,221 Sweden issued a warrant for the arrest of Julian Assange. 1236 01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:08,768 NEWS ANCHOR: Right now Swedish authorities are 1237 01:13:08,843 --> 01:13:10,311 looking to question WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. 1238 01:13:10,386 --> 01:13:12,480 Swedish authorities have issued a warrant for his arrest 1239 01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:16,484 on suspicion of molestation and rape in two separate cases. 1240 01:13:20,938 --> 01:13:22,360 DAVIES: Saturday, August the 21st, I woke up. 1241 01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:24,366 Another journalist had sent an email 1242 01:13:24,525 --> 01:13:28,120 with a link to the website of the Swedish newspaper Expressen. 1243 01:13:28,195 --> 01:13:30,118 I went to this website and I thought, "Well, this is a joke, 1244 01:13:30,197 --> 01:13:31,289 "this is like a spoof newspaper." 1245 01:13:31,365 --> 01:13:33,242 These huge headlines, including one which claims 1246 01:13:33,326 --> 01:13:36,000 that Julian Assange has sexually assaulted two women. 1247 01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:37,121 "What is this about?" 1248 01:13:37,204 --> 01:13:40,208 So, I phoned a guy in Stockholm 1249 01:13:40,333 --> 01:13:43,382 who is the main coordinator for WikiLeaks in that city. 1250 01:13:43,794 --> 01:13:45,967 So I came up to this guy and I said, "What on earth is going on?" 1251 01:13:46,464 --> 01:13:48,512 NARRATOR: The man in Sweden was Donald Bostrom, 1252 01:13:48,674 --> 01:13:49,766 [CLICKING TONGUE] 1253 01:13:49,842 --> 01:13:51,264 an investigative journalist 1254 01:13:51,344 --> 01:13:54,848 who had agreed to help Julian Assange while he was in the country. 1255 01:13:54,972 --> 01:13:56,019 It was... 1256 01:13:56,098 --> 01:13:58,442 kind of the new Mick Jagger. 1257 01:13:59,018 --> 01:14:00,861 Yeah. I mean, really, really. 1258 01:14:01,771 --> 01:14:04,115 Groupies, stalkers, media... 1259 01:14:04,190 --> 01:14:07,694 everyone had a big interest in Julian at the time. 1260 01:14:08,527 --> 01:14:09,528 And he liked it. 1261 01:14:09,654 --> 01:14:11,372 INTERVIEWER: He liked it? Mmm-hmm. Of course. 1262 01:14:12,198 --> 01:14:14,200 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING] 1263 01:14:20,957 --> 01:14:23,301 NARRATOR: Assange had thought of moving his base to Sweden, 1264 01:14:23,459 --> 01:14:25,132 where WikiLeaks kept its servers. 1265 01:14:25,336 --> 01:14:27,430 Laws were more favorable to press freedoms 1266 01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:30,759 and Assange had a growing fan base. 1267 01:14:30,841 --> 01:14:32,935 Fame offered Assange a platform, 1268 01:14:33,094 --> 01:14:35,313 but it also made him a visible target. 1269 01:14:35,388 --> 01:14:36,435 [BOSTROM SPEAKING] 1270 01:14:36,514 --> 01:14:38,061 I said to Julian, "I think you are on the list..." 1271 01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:40,359 "of undesirable people for some governments." 1272 01:14:41,852 --> 01:14:43,399 "Recently, in Russia" 1273 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,322 "some journalists were compromised" 1274 01:14:45,398 --> 01:14:46,820 "by girls in short skirts." 1275 01:14:47,066 --> 01:14:48,192 "it's a very easy trick." 1276 01:14:48,567 --> 01:14:50,410 "So please, take it easy." 1277 01:14:50,945 --> 01:14:54,040 That was exactly one week before everything happened. 1278 01:14:54,156 --> 01:14:56,534 REPORTER 1: Breaking news... REPORTER 2: Internet platform WikiLeaks... 1279 01:14:56,617 --> 01:14:58,085 REPORTER 3: The Australian has denied the allegations 1280 01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:59,457 saying that they are without basis... 1281 01:14:59,537 --> 01:15:00,584 [REPORTER SPEAKING SPANISH] 1282 01:15:00,663 --> 01:15:02,336 Julian Assange denied having had non-consensual relations 1283 01:15:02,415 --> 01:15:04,838 with the two women of 35 and 25 years of age. 1284 01:15:04,917 --> 01:15:05,964 [REPORTER SPEAKING MAN DARIN] 1285 01:15:06,043 --> 01:15:07,545 She described Assange as violent 1286 01:15:07,628 --> 01:15:09,801 and said she tried to refuse his advances. 1287 01:15:09,922 --> 01:15:11,924 She only consented to having sex 1288 01:15:12,008 --> 01:15:14,852 after he agreed to wear a condom. 1289 01:15:15,678 --> 01:15:19,273 But the condom somehow broke. 1290 01:15:19,974 --> 01:15:23,353 NARRATOR: An unknown source leaked the police report to the press. 1291 01:15:23,477 --> 01:15:25,525 It included the testimony of Assange, 1292 01:15:25,771 --> 01:15:27,865 the two women, and, surprisingly, 1293 01:15:28,024 --> 01:15:30,197 a picture of a torn condom. 1294 01:15:30,443 --> 01:15:32,821 There were other peculiar things going on. 1295 01:15:32,945 --> 01:15:36,040 The case of one woman was dropped, and then reopened. 1296 01:15:36,115 --> 01:15:40,712 The general sense was, it's awful curious that these charges would emerge 1297 01:15:40,786 --> 01:15:45,007 just after a very embarrassing and damaging leak. 1298 01:15:45,124 --> 01:15:46,501 There were various possibilities here. 1299 01:15:46,625 --> 01:15:49,629 One was that some women who wanted to sell a story 1300 01:15:49,795 --> 01:15:51,138 to the newspapers had set him up. 1301 01:15:51,297 --> 01:15:55,177 Another was that a really nasty right-wing group in Sweden 1302 01:15:55,342 --> 01:15:57,015 had conspired to set him up. 1303 01:15:57,178 --> 01:16:00,398 Maybe some dark agency from the United States has done this. 1304 01:16:00,473 --> 01:16:03,317 And way out on the extreme ranges of possibility, 1305 01:16:03,434 --> 01:16:04,651 well, maybe he did it, I don't know! 1306 01:16:04,810 --> 01:16:06,904 Did anything happen between you and these two women 1307 01:16:07,104 --> 01:16:10,654 that could be construed as sexual coercion or rape? 1308 01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:13,160 No words, no actions, no violence. 1309 01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:18,166 There is nothing that could be construed as rape. 1310 01:16:18,324 --> 01:16:19,917 Nothing at all. 1311 01:16:20,785 --> 01:16:22,503 Or sexual coercion? 1312 01:16:22,828 --> 01:16:24,296 Well, I don't know what the hell that means. 1313 01:16:28,167 --> 01:16:30,420 There's no doubt that this organization is under siege... 1314 01:16:30,628 --> 01:16:32,596 It was clearly a smear campaign... 1315 01:16:32,671 --> 01:16:34,389 [ASSANGE SPEAKING] 1316 01:16:36,634 --> 01:16:38,602 ASSANGE: We were warned by Australian intelligence 1317 01:16:38,677 --> 01:16:40,975 we would receive such an attack. 1318 01:16:41,055 --> 01:16:44,400 WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is calling it a "smear campaign." 1319 01:16:44,517 --> 01:16:47,020 His supporters claim that the warrant is a way of silencing him. 1320 01:16:47,144 --> 01:16:51,024 You're telling me this isn't a witch hunt, this isn't a smear job? Come on. 1321 01:16:51,107 --> 01:16:54,202 One accuser apparently worked with Cuban exiles 1322 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,660 and there's a story around that she's a CIA operative? 1323 01:16:57,738 --> 01:17:00,412 MICHAEL MOORE: This whole thing stinks to the high heavens, I gotta tell ya. 1324 01:17:00,491 --> 01:17:01,743 I've seen this enough times, 1325 01:17:01,826 --> 01:17:03,499 where governments and corporations, 1326 01:17:03,661 --> 01:17:07,461 they go after people with this kind of lie and smear. 1327 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,717 This is all a bunch of hooey as far as I'm concerned. 1328 01:17:09,834 --> 01:17:12,838 Well, it's certainly a surreal Swedish fairy tale. 1329 01:17:13,087 --> 01:17:16,307 The only thing that hasn't walked onto stage yet are the trolls. 1330 01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:18,593 And I'm waiting for them to arrive. 1331 01:17:25,182 --> 01:17:28,482 ASSANGE: It is my role to be the lightning rod, 1332 01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:32,239 to attract the attacks against the organization for our work. 1333 01:17:32,898 --> 01:17:37,654 One aspect of that has been the legal situation for yourself in Sweden. 1334 01:17:37,820 --> 01:17:40,915 I'm not going to talk about that in relation to this. 1335 01:17:42,324 --> 01:17:44,167 But it does affect WikiLeaks. 1336 01:17:44,410 --> 01:17:46,583 I will have to walk if you're... 1337 01:17:46,662 --> 01:17:48,335 Do you still... You had once talked... 1338 01:17:48,497 --> 01:17:52,297 If you're going to contaminate this extremely serious interview 1339 01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:53,802 with questions about my personal life... 1340 01:17:53,961 --> 01:17:55,804 [CLEARS THROAT] I'm not, what I'm asking is, 1341 01:17:55,921 --> 01:17:57,969 if you feel that it's an attack on WikiLeaks. 1342 01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:01,393 Okay, sorry. 1343 01:18:02,303 --> 01:18:04,772 Julian, I'm happy to go onto the next question. 1344 01:18:04,972 --> 01:18:06,224 All I'm asking is... 1345 01:18:06,307 --> 01:18:07,354 Sorry. 1346 01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:08,480 You blew it. 1347 01:18:17,610 --> 01:18:20,284 NARRATOR: The case in Sweden was still unresolved. 1348 01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:22,077 While the investigation continued, 1349 01:18:22,156 --> 01:18:24,784 prosecutors permitted Assange to leave Sweden 1350 01:18:24,909 --> 01:18:27,458 with the understanding that he would reappear. 1351 01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:29,622 But Assange never went back. 1352 01:18:29,705 --> 01:18:33,585 Convinced Sweden was a trap, he went underground in London. 1353 01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:35,803 DAVIS: Julian has a certain paranoia, 1354 01:18:35,961 --> 01:18:37,463 but in the time I was with him 1355 01:18:37,588 --> 01:18:41,468 I think that high security awareness was actually relevant, 1356 01:18:41,592 --> 01:18:42,889 it was appropriate. 1357 01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:45,642 Mind you, he'd been living like that 1358 01:18:45,804 --> 01:18:47,556 for the past, you know, five or ten years 1359 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,483 when it probably wasn't appropriate. 1360 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,523 REPORTER: Will there be anything more coming from WikiLeaks 1361 01:18:51,644 --> 01:18:53,066 in the next two or three weeks? 1362 01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:54,818 ASSANGE: You never have a good reason to be paranoid. 1363 01:18:54,939 --> 01:18:56,816 You have good reason to be careful. 1364 01:18:56,899 --> 01:19:00,449 Stakes are high so you need to be meticulously careful every day. 1365 01:19:01,111 --> 01:19:03,739 DAVIS: He'd been trained for this moment, in evasive tactics, 1366 01:19:03,822 --> 01:19:06,996 and changing phones and taking out batteries and changing computers. 1367 01:19:07,785 --> 01:19:09,913 May have been a fantasy before, 1368 01:19:09,995 --> 01:19:12,248 but it served him well because it became real. 1369 01:19:13,123 --> 01:19:16,468 He was the focus of intense enemies. 1370 01:19:16,794 --> 01:19:20,264 REPORTER: Right now the Pentagon reportedly searching for Julian Assange, 1371 01:19:20,381 --> 01:19:21,803 potentially on the verge of releasing 1372 01:19:21,966 --> 01:19:24,890 a huge new stash of confidential documents. 1373 01:19:25,052 --> 01:19:26,645 He was putting his head above the parapet. 1374 01:19:26,762 --> 01:19:28,730 He was putting himself in a dangerous position. 1375 01:19:28,806 --> 01:19:31,810 And I think, on the whole, he handled the dangers pretty well. 1376 01:19:32,726 --> 01:19:34,820 There is a side to this guy which is great, 1377 01:19:34,895 --> 01:19:38,240 and then there's this hidden side which has been so destructive. 1378 01:19:38,816 --> 01:19:41,695 MANNE: He's a natural fabulist and storyteller 1379 01:19:41,777 --> 01:19:44,826 and lives intensely in his imagination, 1380 01:19:44,905 --> 01:19:47,579 and to some extent that imaginary world that he inhabits 1381 01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:52,046 becomes more real than the, as it were, often mundane reality that we all live in. 1382 01:19:52,371 --> 01:19:53,463 Yes. 1383 01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:54,627 [REPORTER SPEAKING] 1384 01:19:54,707 --> 01:19:56,175 You talked about an aggressive surveillance operation 1385 01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,423 against you and some WikiLeaks employees? 1386 01:19:58,544 --> 01:20:01,423 We certainly were under surveillance in Iceland. 1387 01:20:01,547 --> 01:20:04,892 I, personally, had chased people 1388 01:20:04,967 --> 01:20:07,390 who were surveilling me with video cameras. 1389 01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:09,722 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: He traveled to a conference in Oslo 1390 01:20:09,888 --> 01:20:11,686 and then made these allegations that 1391 01:20:11,765 --> 01:20:15,770 two State Department officials had been on the airplane to follow him, 1392 01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:17,111 but there is no proof. 1393 01:20:17,521 --> 01:20:20,946 And this is what got tiring to a lot of us over time. 1394 01:20:21,066 --> 01:20:25,321 Julian was constantly propagating how much we're in danger 1395 01:20:25,404 --> 01:20:26,530 and all of these things. 1396 01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:30,959 And this was just lies and propaganda. 1397 01:20:31,076 --> 01:20:33,329 Maybe it's the fame, maybe it's the attention, 1398 01:20:33,412 --> 01:20:37,007 maybe it's the pressures of working in this kind of environment, 1399 01:20:37,082 --> 01:20:41,132 but somehow this idealist that I met 1400 01:20:42,087 --> 01:20:46,217 became something else somewhere through the story. 1401 01:20:50,763 --> 01:20:54,267 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: This whole topic just headed into a really bad direction. 1402 01:20:57,603 --> 01:21:00,106 There was this article in Newsweek. 1403 01:21:01,106 --> 01:21:06,283 That's what Julian took as a proof that I had been speaking to the press. 1404 01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:10,454 From that day on I was a traitor, 1405 01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:13,577 I was trying to stab him in the back. 1406 01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:18,716 It boiled down to me being suspended for, as Julian put it, 1407 01:21:20,292 --> 01:21:25,014 "disloyalty, insubordination and destabilization in times of crisis." 1408 01:21:26,507 --> 01:21:28,430 INTERVIEWER: Where did that language come from? 1409 01:21:28,509 --> 01:21:32,389 I think, as much as I can tell, that's from the Espionage Act of 1917. 1410 01:21:34,098 --> 01:21:35,941 NARRATOR: That was a cruel irony. 1411 01:21:36,016 --> 01:21:39,020 Across the Atlantic, the United States Department of Justice 1412 01:21:39,144 --> 01:21:42,148 was investigating whether it could use the Espionage Act 1413 01:21:42,731 --> 01:21:44,950 to put Julian Assange in jail. 1414 01:21:45,442 --> 01:21:49,072 LEONARD: The Espionage Act is primarily intended to address situations 1415 01:21:49,196 --> 01:21:53,417 where individuals pass national defense information over to the enemy 1416 01:21:53,534 --> 01:21:55,411 in order to allow the enemy to harm us. 1417 01:21:56,203 --> 01:21:59,924 It would be unprecedented if the Espionage Act was being used 1418 01:21:59,998 --> 01:22:02,592 to attack individuals who did not do anything more 1419 01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:06,555 than The New York Times or The Washington Post does every day. 1420 01:22:12,511 --> 01:22:13,933 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS] 1421 01:22:14,012 --> 01:22:16,265 WOMAN: Do you want to let them in first? 1422 01:22:19,184 --> 01:22:22,188 NARRATOR: The next big releases were the Iraq War Logs. 1423 01:22:22,354 --> 01:22:24,527 This time WikiLeaks had worked with volunteers 1424 01:22:24,690 --> 01:22:28,240 to devise a computer program to solve the redaction problems. 1425 01:22:28,402 --> 01:22:30,905 There were almost 400,000 documents 1426 01:22:31,029 --> 01:22:34,249 detailing that the U.S. military had purposefully hidden information 1427 01:22:34,366 --> 01:22:38,416 about civilian casualties and systematic torture. 1428 01:22:40,247 --> 01:22:43,342 President Obama sanctioned the mass handover 1429 01:22:43,417 --> 01:22:46,216 of Iraqi prisoners of war 1430 01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:50,011 from the American troops over to the Iraqi authorities. 1431 01:22:50,674 --> 01:22:53,427 And one of the things that is against the Geneva Conventions 1432 01:22:53,552 --> 01:22:55,975 is you cannot hand over a prisoner of war 1433 01:22:56,054 --> 01:22:59,149 to another authority who you know commits torture. 1434 01:22:59,224 --> 01:23:01,272 But let me just say with regards to the allegations 1435 01:23:01,393 --> 01:23:05,068 of not intervening when coming across detainee abuse, 1436 01:23:05,147 --> 01:23:06,148 not true. 1437 01:23:06,231 --> 01:23:09,735 They had 1,300 allegations, 1438 01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:13,322 with medical evidence, of quite horrific torture 1439 01:23:13,489 --> 01:23:17,084 by Iraqi army and police against detainees. 1440 01:23:18,035 --> 01:23:19,412 OVERTON: We're talking about sodomy, 1441 01:23:19,536 --> 01:23:21,914 we're talking about abuse using rubber hoses 1442 01:23:21,997 --> 01:23:24,216 and beating people, we're talking about murder. 1443 01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:28,588 The sort of torture that supposedly we were "liberating" Iraq from. 1444 01:23:28,754 --> 01:23:32,475 The U.S. Administration under Bush and under Obama 1445 01:23:33,217 --> 01:23:37,688 continued turning over prisoners despite knowing this. 1446 01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:40,641 That is against the Geneva Convention. 1447 01:23:41,141 --> 01:23:44,236 The Obama administration appears to have committed war crimes. 1448 01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:46,818 Who knew that before? 1449 01:24:01,578 --> 01:24:03,296 - Bradley Manning's letter to WikiLeaks 1450 01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:04,965 NARRATOR: What had Manning done? 1451 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,965 Was his leak, as the Army had said, a reckless data dump? 1452 01:24:09,044 --> 01:24:10,421 Or was this the act of a man 1453 01:24:10,671 --> 01:24:12,969 who had peeked behind the curtain of a superpower 1454 01:24:13,048 --> 01:24:15,972 and decided that what it was doing was wrong? 1455 01:24:18,011 --> 01:24:20,935 After the leaks, and just before he was arrested, 1456 01:24:21,014 --> 01:24:22,357 Manning was trying to reckon 1457 01:24:22,474 --> 01:24:24,476 with what he had done and where he was going. 1458 01:24:42,995 --> 01:24:44,872 There was never even a possibility 1459 01:24:44,997 --> 01:24:49,173 that anyone could assume that he had a female personality. 1460 01:24:49,835 --> 01:24:51,758 INTERVIEW: You mean that he wanted to become a woman? 1461 01:24:51,837 --> 01:24:58,516 Well, we knew that he was at least considering hormone therapy, 1462 01:24:59,344 --> 01:25:00,846 but no one cared. 1463 01:25:00,971 --> 01:25:02,018 It wasn't like, 1464 01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:04,316 "Okay, he's going to have to start showering with the females." 1465 01:25:05,017 --> 01:25:07,019 Literally, nobody cared. 1466 01:25:09,688 --> 01:25:11,941 EDWARDS: He would call me and cry. 1467 01:25:12,357 --> 01:25:13,950 Very loud sobbing 1468 01:25:14,026 --> 01:25:19,374 like a child just in a state of just utter loss, 1469 01:25:19,448 --> 01:25:22,076 and he kept saying, "I won't make it, 1470 01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:24,002 "I can't make it, I can't do this." 1471 01:25:28,832 --> 01:25:29,879 [GUNSHOT] 1472 01:25:31,251 --> 01:25:34,505 I constantly asked him, "Do you have someone? 1473 01:25:34,588 --> 01:25:37,011 "Do you have anyone to talk to, 1474 01:25:37,090 --> 01:25:39,843 "that's there, that you can see on a daily basis?" 1475 01:25:39,926 --> 01:25:41,769 And he assured me that he did not. 1476 01:25:43,764 --> 01:25:46,187 NARRATOR: Manning did reach out for help at least once, 1477 01:25:46,266 --> 01:25:49,520 in an email to his master sergeant. 1478 01:25:49,603 --> 01:25:54,325 Manning attached to the email a picture of himself dressed as a woman. 1479 01:26:10,916 --> 01:26:13,260 Several weeks later, around dinnertime, 1480 01:26:13,335 --> 01:26:15,588 Manning was discovered lying on the ground. 1481 01:26:15,671 --> 01:26:18,550 With a knife, he had scrawled on a chair the words, 1482 01:26:18,632 --> 01:26:19,929 "I want. " 1483 01:26:21,635 --> 01:26:24,980 Later that same evening, Manning tried to go back to work. 1484 01:26:25,764 --> 01:26:26,890 SHOWMAN: I was off-shift, 1485 01:26:26,973 --> 01:26:28,725 and I had to come in to find something 1486 01:26:28,809 --> 01:26:30,402 that he should have been able to find. 1487 01:26:30,477 --> 01:26:33,651 And he was pacing back and forth saying smart comments to me. 1488 01:26:33,814 --> 01:26:35,987 And I blatantly said, 1489 01:26:36,108 --> 01:26:40,158 "Manning, how 'bout you fix your shit before you try to fix mine?" 1490 01:26:40,487 --> 01:26:44,162 And he screamed and punched me in the face 1491 01:26:44,282 --> 01:26:46,080 while I was sitting down. 1492 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,833 My adrenaline immediately hit overload. 1493 01:26:48,954 --> 01:26:50,627 I stood up, pushed my chair back. 1494 01:26:50,789 --> 01:26:52,757 He continued to try to fight me, 1495 01:26:52,833 --> 01:26:56,883 but I put him in, you know, what UFC would call a"guillotine" 1496 01:26:56,962 --> 01:26:58,964 and pulled him on the floor, 1497 01:26:59,131 --> 01:27:02,351 and laid on top of him and pinned his arms beside his head. 1498 01:27:02,509 --> 01:27:04,477 At that time, I can't believe he messed with me, 1499 01:27:04,636 --> 01:27:06,638 I literally had 15-inch biceps. 1500 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,484 I was the last person he probably should have punched. 1501 01:27:14,938 --> 01:27:17,111 My superiors decided that 1502 01:27:17,274 --> 01:27:20,824 it was just escalating too much and he had to be removed 1503 01:27:20,944 --> 01:27:23,322 and have his weapon taken away from him. 1504 01:27:29,494 --> 01:27:32,247 At that point he never came back in the office. 1505 01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:35,334 He had to go work with the first sergeant in the mailroom. 1506 01:27:41,214 --> 01:27:44,184 NARRATOR: In the mailroom, Manning still had an Internet connection 1507 01:27:44,259 --> 01:27:45,476 to military networks. 1508 01:27:45,552 --> 01:27:47,304 His gun had been taken away, 1509 01:27:47,387 --> 01:27:50,482 but he still had access to millions of classified documents. 1510 01:27:52,142 --> 01:27:53,985 HAYDEN: We have personnel security programs. 1511 01:27:54,060 --> 01:27:57,314 We try to take a look at the folks to whom we give security clearances. 1512 01:27:57,397 --> 01:27:59,570 Should this young man have been given that clearance? 1513 01:27:59,649 --> 01:28:02,744 In retrospect, certainly not. In prospect, who knows'? 1514 01:28:02,819 --> 01:28:05,868 These are the kinds of decisions that are difficult to make. 1515 01:28:05,947 --> 01:28:07,415 But let me put it to you this way, 1516 01:28:07,491 --> 01:28:10,665 the American Army has had incredibly stupid PFCs 1517 01:28:10,744 --> 01:28:11,961 for more than two centuries, 1518 01:28:12,329 --> 01:28:13,581 [CHUCKLING] 1519 01:28:13,663 --> 01:28:16,758 and PFCs occasionally do incredibly stupid things. 1520 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,438 SHOWMAN: I didn't see him get arrested. 1521 01:28:33,558 --> 01:28:36,061 But I saw him walk down the hall 1522 01:28:36,311 --> 01:28:38,780 with about four MPs. 1523 01:28:39,606 --> 01:28:41,654 He had a grin on his face, 1524 01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:45,074 like, "I'm on top of the world." 1525 01:28:46,988 --> 01:28:50,492 EDWARDS: The last communication I received from him 1526 01:28:50,659 --> 01:28:54,835 was that I was going to hear something that would shock the world. 1527 01:29:03,255 --> 01:29:05,053 [TELEPHONE PLAYING] 1528 01:29:27,112 --> 01:29:28,864 HAYDEN: It was a pretty simple process, 1529 01:29:28,947 --> 01:29:30,790 dropping CDs into your tower 1530 01:29:30,866 --> 01:29:32,789 and downloading large volumes of information. 1531 01:29:32,909 --> 01:29:36,288 It wasn't incredibly sophisticated. 1532 01:29:36,913 --> 01:29:38,540 NARRATOR: That's not quite true. 1533 01:29:38,623 --> 01:29:42,469 Manning turned his computers into efficient exfiltration machines. 1534 01:29:42,586 --> 01:29:46,887 Over several months, Manning made over 794,000 connections 1535 01:29:46,965 --> 01:29:48,808 with the State Department's server. 1536 01:29:48,925 --> 01:29:51,474 He downloaded hundreds of thousands of documents 1537 01:29:51,595 --> 01:29:53,518 without anyone noticing. 1538 01:29:55,849 --> 01:29:57,066 When he hit a snag, 1539 01:29:57,142 --> 01:30:00,316 he reached out to another hacker for advice on how to crack passwords. 1540 01:30:06,902 --> 01:30:10,497 Later, Manning talked to him about the progress of the uploads. 1541 01:30:10,572 --> 01:30:14,622 In Manning's buddy list, the address was listed under a familiar name, 1542 01:30:14,701 --> 01:30:15,953 Julian Assange. 1543 01:30:18,371 --> 01:30:20,044 [TELEPHONE CONTINUES PLAYING] 1544 01:30:58,578 --> 01:31:00,831 NARRATOR: On November 28th, 2010, 1545 01:31:00,914 --> 01:31:02,916 WikiLeaks and its media partners 1546 01:31:03,041 --> 01:31:06,636 began to publish a small fraction, carefully redacted, 1547 01:31:06,711 --> 01:31:10,090 of the State Department cables supplied by Bradley Manning. 1548 01:31:10,548 --> 01:31:12,892 The day-to-day memos of American diplomats 1549 01:31:13,009 --> 01:31:16,889 revealed a surprising honesty about how the world really worked. 1550 01:31:17,389 --> 01:31:19,312 BROOKE: It was that whole Wizard of Oz moment. 1551 01:31:19,391 --> 01:31:22,440 We all look at these politicians, "Oh, wow, they're so powerful!" 1552 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,609 And then it was the little dog [LAUGHING] pulling the curtain away. 1553 01:31:26,606 --> 01:31:29,405 NARRATOR: The cables exposed criminal behavior and corruption 1554 01:31:29,526 --> 01:31:32,496 by tyrants in Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya. 1555 01:31:32,570 --> 01:31:33,822 That in turn helped to fuel 1556 01:31:33,905 --> 01:31:36,249 an exploding popular anger against repression, 1557 01:31:36,741 --> 01:31:38,994 the so-called Arab Spring. 1558 01:31:41,246 --> 01:31:42,498 They also told the truth 1559 01:31:42,580 --> 01:31:45,003 about the faults of America's so-called allies 1560 01:31:45,083 --> 01:31:46,926 in ways that were bound to reveal 1561 01:31:47,043 --> 01:31:49,762 that their power and legitimacy were a kind of fraud. 1562 01:31:51,715 --> 01:31:55,060 This leak is industrial scale. 1563 01:31:56,136 --> 01:31:58,764 It touches every relationship the United States has 1564 01:31:58,847 --> 01:32:00,849 with other countries around the world. 1565 01:32:01,516 --> 01:32:05,612 Even as the United States and others try to manage the impact of this, 1566 01:32:05,729 --> 01:32:10,701 it will be a wound that just keeps opening up on a recurring basis. 1567 01:32:12,152 --> 01:32:15,122 NARRATOR: The behavior of the United States was also exposed, 1568 01:32:15,196 --> 01:32:17,369 as the cables revealed criminal cover-ups 1569 01:32:17,490 --> 01:32:21,745 and a systematic policy of using diplomats to spy on foreign governments. 1570 01:32:23,538 --> 01:32:25,290 HAYDEN: Look, everyone has secrets. 1571 01:32:25,415 --> 01:32:28,589 Some of the activities that nation-states conduct 1572 01:32:28,668 --> 01:32:31,012 in order to keep their people safe and free 1573 01:32:31,087 --> 01:32:33,681 need to be secret in order to be successful. 1574 01:32:33,757 --> 01:32:35,759 If they are broadly known, 1575 01:32:36,384 --> 01:32:38,182 you cannot accomplish your work. 1576 01:32:38,261 --> 01:32:40,059 Now look, let me be very candid, all right. 1577 01:32:40,263 --> 01:32:42,140 We steal secrets. 1578 01:32:42,223 --> 01:32:44,442 We steal other nation's secrets. 1579 01:32:44,559 --> 01:32:46,357 One cannot do that aboveboard 1580 01:32:46,436 --> 01:32:49,360 and be very successful for a very long period of time. 1581 01:32:50,815 --> 01:32:53,568 HILLARY CLINTON: Disclosures like these tear at the fabric 1582 01:32:53,693 --> 01:32:57,038 of the proper function of responsible government. 1583 01:32:57,864 --> 01:32:59,286 People of good faith 1584 01:32:59,365 --> 01:33:03,541 understand the need for sensitive diplomatic communications, 1585 01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:06,628 both to protect the national interest 1586 01:33:06,706 --> 01:33:08,424 and the global common interest. 1587 01:33:09,042 --> 01:33:10,794 BROOKE: For the previous leaks, the American government, 1588 01:33:10,877 --> 01:33:12,345 they were obviously angry, 1589 01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:14,468 but they suddenly decided, 1590 01:33:14,547 --> 01:33:18,097 "Right, now it's time to get Draconian on their ass." 1591 01:33:18,259 --> 01:33:21,729 It's time that the Obama administration treats WikiLeaks for what it is, 1592 01:33:21,888 --> 01:33:23,140 a terrorist organization. 1593 01:33:23,306 --> 01:33:26,685 What we should do is treat Assange as an enemy combatant, 1594 01:33:26,851 --> 01:33:29,695 who's engaged in information warfare against the United States. 1595 01:33:29,854 --> 01:33:32,232 He's a blackmail, extortionist, terrorist. 1596 01:33:32,357 --> 01:33:34,155 ...crackpot, alleged sex offender... 1597 01:33:34,234 --> 01:33:36,157 He's a criminal and he ought to be hunted down, 1598 01:33:36,236 --> 01:33:37,704 and grabbed, and put on trial. 1599 01:33:37,904 --> 01:33:42,034 We have a very serious criminal investigation that's underway 1600 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,202 and we're looking at all of the things that we can do 1601 01:33:44,369 --> 01:33:45,871 to stern the flow of this information. 1602 01:33:45,995 --> 01:33:48,544 He needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, 1603 01:33:48,665 --> 01:33:50,963 and if that becomes a problem, we need to change the law. 1604 01:33:51,042 --> 01:33:52,669 We've got special ops forces. 1605 01:33:52,794 --> 01:33:54,637 A dead man can't leak stuff... 1606 01:33:54,712 --> 01:33:56,214 ...illegally shoot the son of a... [BLEEP] 1607 01:33:56,339 --> 01:33:58,558 This little punk... Now I stand up for Obama. 1608 01:33:58,716 --> 01:34:01,845 Obama, if you're listening today, you should take this guy out. 1609 01:34:02,220 --> 01:34:05,724 I think Obama should put out a contract and maybe use a drone or something. 1610 01:34:05,849 --> 01:34:08,398 That's what I'd like to see, a little drone hit Assange, right. 1611 01:34:10,979 --> 01:34:13,073 NARRATOR: All the threats were aimed at Assange. 1612 01:34:13,231 --> 01:34:16,576 No one called for attacks on The Guardian or The New York Times. 1613 01:34:17,527 --> 01:34:19,370 DAVIS: I found that astounding. 1614 01:34:19,529 --> 01:34:21,873 If Julian Assange should be charged 1615 01:34:22,031 --> 01:34:24,750 with some offense under American law, 1616 01:34:24,909 --> 01:34:27,458 then absolutely The New York Times editor 1617 01:34:27,537 --> 01:34:28,880 should be in the slammer with him. 1618 01:34:29,873 --> 01:34:32,171 NARRATOR: Suddenly, only two days after the release 1619 01:34:32,333 --> 01:34:34,335 of the first batch of State Department cables, 1620 01:34:34,502 --> 01:34:36,880 Interpol issued a demand for Assange's arrest, 1621 01:34:37,046 --> 01:34:38,844 for his failure to return to Sweden 1622 01:34:39,048 --> 01:34:41,517 to answer questions about sex charges. 1623 01:34:42,886 --> 01:34:45,605 MARK STEPHENS: I'm really rather worried by the political motivations 1624 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,023 that appear to be behind this. 1625 01:34:47,140 --> 01:34:49,438 Sweden was one of those lickspittle states 1626 01:34:49,517 --> 01:34:52,987 which used its resources and its facilities 1627 01:34:53,062 --> 01:34:55,030 for rendition flights and torture. 1628 01:34:55,106 --> 01:34:57,780 INTERVIEWER: You think if he goes to Sweden, he may be sent to the States? 1629 01:34:57,859 --> 01:34:59,532 Certainly my mind is very open about that. 1630 01:34:59,611 --> 01:35:01,534 And you may fight it on that basis? Certainly. 1631 01:35:02,197 --> 01:35:05,371 NARRATOR: There were rumors of a sealed indictment against Assange. 1632 01:35:05,533 --> 01:35:10,414 In secret, a U.S. grand jury served subpoenas targeting WikiLeaks supporters. 1633 01:35:10,496 --> 01:35:11,839 Under political pressure, 1634 01:35:11,956 --> 01:35:16,052 VISA and MasterCard stopped processing donations to the website. 1635 01:35:16,211 --> 01:35:18,680 VISA and MasterCard will happily process payments 1636 01:35:18,838 --> 01:35:20,511 for the Ku Klux Klan, 1637 01:35:20,715 --> 01:35:24,219 for all kinds of organizations around the world, 1638 01:35:24,385 --> 01:35:26,137 and yet this one, 1639 01:35:26,304 --> 01:35:28,727 with no charges, no warrants, no nothing, 1640 01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:32,819 they've not only blocked it themselves, they won't let any intermediaries do it. 1641 01:35:32,977 --> 01:35:36,823 Meanwhile, WikiLeaks' founder is still hiding from the police, 1642 01:35:36,898 --> 01:35:39,321 but today he did speak out, online. 1643 01:35:44,364 --> 01:35:48,210 REPORTER: What happens to WikiLeaks if Julian Assange is arrested? 1644 01:35:48,326 --> 01:35:51,956 This is carrying on, this is huge material that is really important, 1645 01:35:52,121 --> 01:35:54,795 and everyone working on it is getting it out there. 1646 01:35:55,708 --> 01:35:58,837 BALL: WikiLeaks' principal spokesman always has been Julian, 1647 01:35:59,003 --> 01:36:01,005 but with Julian being in hiding, 1648 01:36:01,172 --> 01:36:02,719 I essentially filled in the gap. 1649 01:36:02,966 --> 01:36:05,845 Where is Julian Assange, this mythic character'? 1650 01:36:06,344 --> 01:36:08,187 Honestly can't remember where I last saw him. 1651 01:36:08,805 --> 01:36:10,773 I ended up doing a lot of their television, 1652 01:36:10,932 --> 01:36:13,105 looking pretty much about 16. 1653 01:36:13,810 --> 01:36:17,189 You really did feel a David and Goliath moment. 1654 01:36:17,605 --> 01:36:22,361 Do you consider your organization and your website to be under attack? 1655 01:36:22,527 --> 01:36:24,200 Yes, all week it's been under attack. 1656 01:36:25,029 --> 01:36:27,327 NARRATOR: The WikiLeaks website came under cyber attack 1657 01:36:27,490 --> 01:36:29,208 and kept falling offline. 1658 01:36:29,450 --> 01:36:32,294 In response, WikiLeaks supporters began to mirror the site 1659 01:36:32,453 --> 01:36:35,127 on over 1,000 servers around the globe. 1660 01:36:35,331 --> 01:36:38,210 It was impossible to remove WikiLeaks from the Internet. 1661 01:36:39,085 --> 01:36:40,462 The Internet in a digital era 1662 01:36:40,586 --> 01:36:44,056 lets governments get more information and more power 1663 01:36:44,173 --> 01:36:48,053 and more communication than they've ever had before. 1664 01:36:48,136 --> 01:36:51,015 But, it lets citizens do the same. 1665 01:36:51,681 --> 01:36:54,025 Governments are more powerful and more vulnerable 1666 01:36:54,183 --> 01:36:55,730 at exactly the same time. 1667 01:36:56,185 --> 01:36:57,482 The fight on our hands is 1668 01:36:57,562 --> 01:37:00,941 who gets to control the Internet, who gets to control information. 1669 01:37:02,275 --> 01:37:05,620 ELECTRONIC VOICE: Hello. This is a classified message from Anonymous. 1670 01:37:05,903 --> 01:37:08,622 After numerous attacks on the truth-spilling platform of WikiLeaks, 1671 01:37:08,698 --> 01:37:10,700 ANONYMOUS hacker collective video 1672 01:37:10,783 --> 01:37:12,501 including the shutdown of its financing, 1673 01:37:12,577 --> 01:37:14,295 we have already made it very clear 1674 01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:17,044 that we will fight for freedom of speech and the free press. 1675 01:37:17,457 --> 01:37:18,754 We are Anonymous. 1676 01:37:18,833 --> 01:37:19,959 We are legion. 1677 01:37:20,043 --> 01:37:21,386 We do not forgive. 1678 01:37:21,461 --> 01:37:23,008 We do not forget. 1679 01:37:23,087 --> 01:37:25,931 NARRATOR: In response to the financial blockade on WikiLeaks, 1680 01:37:26,007 --> 01:37:29,602 the hacker collective Anonymous launched cyber attacks, 1681 01:37:29,677 --> 01:37:32,931 taking down the websites of VISA, MasterCard, and PayPal. 1682 01:37:34,599 --> 01:37:36,272 Free Julian Assange! 1683 01:37:36,476 --> 01:37:37,773 Free Bradley Manning! 1684 01:37:37,935 --> 01:37:39,278 End the war. 1685 01:37:40,688 --> 01:37:42,281 Off the road, please! 1686 01:37:42,815 --> 01:37:44,112 Off the road. 1687 01:37:44,776 --> 01:37:45,823 [OFFICER CONTINUES SHOUTING] 1688 01:37:45,943 --> 01:37:46,944 [PROTESTER 1 SHOUTING] 1689 01:37:47,028 --> 01:37:48,075 Political prisoner! 1690 01:37:48,154 --> 01:37:49,201 OFFICER: You've been warned already! 1691 01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,327 [PROTESTER 2 SHOUTING] 1692 01:37:50,448 --> 01:37:51,449 We love you! 1693 01:37:52,617 --> 01:37:53,618 [PROTESTER 3 SHOUTING] 1694 01:37:53,701 --> 01:37:55,874 Free speech! 1695 01:37:56,287 --> 01:37:58,631 NARRATOR: One week after the arrest warrant was issued, 1696 01:37:58,748 --> 01:38:01,092 Assange surrendered to police in London. 1697 01:38:01,167 --> 01:38:02,339 Deemed a flight risk, 1698 01:38:02,460 --> 01:38:05,304 he was ordered held in jail, pending a bail hearing. 1699 01:38:05,963 --> 01:38:08,682 STEPHENS: Many people believe Mr. Assange to be innocent, 1700 01:38:08,925 --> 01:38:13,806 and many people believe that this prosecution is politically motivated. 1701 01:38:14,263 --> 01:38:15,515 [PROTESTERS CLAMORING] 1702 01:38:16,516 --> 01:38:18,985 NARRATOR: Assange's arrest had become a mythic moment, 1703 01:38:19,185 --> 01:38:20,812 but what was really going on? 1704 01:38:22,855 --> 01:38:25,950 Was Sweden acting as an agent of the United States? 1705 01:38:26,776 --> 01:38:30,497 Would extradition to Sweden mean a one-way ticket to Guantanamo? 1706 01:38:31,239 --> 01:38:33,958 Or had the mission of WikiLeaks become confused 1707 01:38:34,158 --> 01:38:37,287 with a private matter between one man and two women? 1708 01:38:43,167 --> 01:38:45,135 INTERVIEWER: Talk about why we're altering your appearance 1709 01:38:45,294 --> 01:38:47,342 and filming you in this way. 1710 01:38:47,505 --> 01:38:49,928 AN NA: The reason I felt it was important to be obscured 1711 01:38:50,007 --> 01:38:54,353 is mainly because of all the threats I've received. 1712 01:38:55,263 --> 01:38:58,688 And I know that different media have published my face 1713 01:38:58,850 --> 01:39:00,102 without my consent. 1714 01:39:00,268 --> 01:39:01,770 And a lot of online communities 1715 01:39:01,936 --> 01:39:05,031 started to have wild speculations about who I was 1716 01:39:05,106 --> 01:39:06,858 and who the other girl was. 1717 01:39:08,526 --> 01:39:10,904 I feel that the less my face is shown 1718 01:39:11,028 --> 01:39:13,372 and the less people can recognize me, 1719 01:39:13,448 --> 01:39:14,540 the safer I will be. 1720 01:39:15,658 --> 01:39:17,331 NARRATOR: Anna has been advised not to talk 1721 01:39:17,493 --> 01:39:20,542 about any of the details of her sexual encounter with Assange 1722 01:39:20,705 --> 01:39:22,924 until the legal case has been resolved. 1723 01:39:23,207 --> 01:39:26,336 But there are a few facts on which everyone agrees. 1724 01:39:27,086 --> 01:39:30,090 An organizer for a WikiLeaks seminar in Stockholm, 1725 01:39:30,214 --> 01:39:34,344 Anna invited Julian to stay at her apartment while she was out of town. 1726 01:39:34,510 --> 01:39:36,888 Then she decided to come back early. 1727 01:39:37,555 --> 01:39:39,102 [CAMERAS CLICKING] 1728 01:39:39,223 --> 01:39:40,600 The following day at the seminar, 1729 01:39:40,766 --> 01:39:43,485 Julian was approached by another WikiLeaks volunteer. 1730 01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,522 Her name was Sofia. 1731 01:39:47,398 --> 01:39:48,399 [BOSTROM SPEAKING] 1732 01:39:48,524 --> 01:39:50,572 Sofia wanted to see Julian, wanted to touch Julian 1733 01:39:50,693 --> 01:39:52,161 wanted to be close to Julian. 1734 01:39:53,237 --> 01:39:54,830 Honestly, I think 1735 01:39:55,907 --> 01:39:57,204 he was a rock star 1736 01:39:57,575 --> 01:39:59,873 and he was picking the fruit. 1737 01:40:00,244 --> 01:40:02,918 The truth is the first casualty of war. 1738 01:40:03,247 --> 01:40:04,749 One week after the seminar 1739 01:40:04,874 --> 01:40:06,751 Anna called me and said, "Donald..." 1740 01:40:06,876 --> 01:40:09,095 "I was very proud to have the hottest man on the planet" 1741 01:40:09,212 --> 01:40:11,590 "in my apartment, in my bed even." 1742 01:40:11,672 --> 01:40:13,674 "But then something happened I didn't like." 1743 01:40:13,758 --> 01:40:15,635 "He tore the condom." 1744 01:40:16,302 --> 01:40:17,929 "I feel very uncomfortable about it." 1745 01:40:18,846 --> 01:40:21,725 And then she told me Sofia called her 1746 01:40:21,807 --> 01:40:23,525 about the same thing. 1747 01:40:23,601 --> 01:40:27,481 She was very concerned she's pregnant or catch HIV 1748 01:40:27,563 --> 01:40:30,157 because Julian had sex with her without a condom. 1749 01:40:30,650 --> 01:40:33,073 They said if Julian takes an HIV test 1750 01:40:33,528 --> 01:40:34,780 we won't go to the police. 1751 01:40:35,238 --> 01:40:37,616 I tried actually to tell his friends 1752 01:40:37,782 --> 01:40:41,787 that we can get this over with fast and with no fuss 1753 01:40:42,078 --> 01:40:45,503 because I really didn't want this to be in the papers. 1754 01:40:46,082 --> 01:40:49,427 But he chose to make a big deal out of it. 1755 01:40:50,545 --> 01:40:53,219 DAVIES: Julian had repeatedly refused to have the test. 1756 01:40:53,381 --> 01:40:56,260 When he had finally changed his mind and agreed to, it was too late. 1757 01:40:56,342 --> 01:40:58,344 By that time, the women had already got too frustrated 1758 01:40:58,427 --> 01:41:00,350 and too angry with Julian's refusals, 1759 01:41:00,429 --> 01:41:01,772 and they'd gone to the police. 1760 01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:07,070 ASSANGE: They found out that they were mutual lovers of mine, 1761 01:41:07,228 --> 01:41:09,981 they had had unprotected sex, and they got into a tizzy 1762 01:41:10,147 --> 01:41:14,823 about whether there was possibility of sexually transmitted diseases. 1763 01:41:15,152 --> 01:41:17,154 Ridiculous thing to go to the police about. 1764 01:41:18,489 --> 01:41:22,585 NARRATOR: When the women went to the police to try to force Assange to take an HIV test, 1765 01:41:22,827 --> 01:41:26,081 their testimony raised questions about possible criminal charges. 1766 01:41:26,914 --> 01:41:30,418 The police, on their own, decided to investigate further. 1767 01:41:31,335 --> 01:41:34,214 The refusal to use a condom took center stage. 1768 01:41:34,338 --> 01:41:38,343 If Assange had HIV and knew it, it could be a case for assault. 1769 01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:42,229 โ€œ...Assange...[was] firmly holding [Anna's] arms and prying her legs open...โ€ 1770 01:41:42,305 --> 01:41:44,399 โ€œAnna is convinced that Assange... broke the condom...โ€ 1771 01:41:44,473 --> 01:41:47,693 โ€œ...and...continued having sex with a subsequent ejaculation.โ€ 1772 01:41:47,852 --> 01:41:50,526 The testimony of the women raised another issue. 1773 01:41:51,022 --> 01:41:53,024 Did Assange refuse to use a condom 1774 01:41:53,149 --> 01:41:55,322 because he wanted to make the women pregnant? 1775 01:41:55,401 --> 01:41:58,826 Some pointed to the fact that he had already fathered four children 1776 01:41:58,904 --> 01:42:01,373 with four different women around the world. 1777 01:42:02,533 --> 01:42:03,830 This is a man who's elusive, 1778 01:42:03,993 --> 01:42:07,497 he's always flying around the place, he doesn't have any roots. 1779 01:42:07,663 --> 01:42:08,835 And he's got a number of kids. 1780 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,042 There might be some sort of primary impulse in him 1781 01:42:11,167 --> 01:42:14,216 to want to just reproduce, 1782 01:42:14,378 --> 01:42:16,972 to want to have some sort of bedrock in his life. 1783 01:42:17,048 --> 01:42:19,392 This is the ultimate digital man, 1784 01:42:19,508 --> 01:42:21,476 and actually you can't just live in a digital world. 1785 01:42:23,054 --> 01:42:26,149 "...[Sofia] was woken by the feeling of [Assange] penetrating her." 1786 01:42:26,223 --> 01:42:29,102 "He was already inside of her and she let him continue." 1787 01:42:29,185 --> 01:42:32,189 "She immediately asked 'Are you wearing anything' and he replied 'You."' 1788 01:42:32,271 --> 01:42:35,366 ASSANGE: I have never said that this is a honey trap. 1789 01:42:35,733 --> 01:42:38,703 I have never said that it is not a honey trap. 1790 01:42:40,988 --> 01:42:45,994 He was claiming that he didn't know who we were, 1791 01:42:46,077 --> 01:42:48,671 and that's not true. 1792 01:42:48,829 --> 01:42:50,672 He knew very well who we were, 1793 01:42:51,248 --> 01:42:54,343 and he knew we were going to the police before we went. 1794 01:42:55,336 --> 01:42:57,259 ASSANGE: There are powerful interests 1795 01:42:57,421 --> 01:43:01,847 that have incentives to promote these smears. 1796 01:43:05,388 --> 01:43:08,733 DAVIES: What Julian did was to start the little snowball rolling downhill, 1797 01:43:08,891 --> 01:43:10,484 that this was some kind of a conspiracy. 1798 01:43:10,643 --> 01:43:12,190 And that was all he had to do at that stage. 1799 01:43:12,269 --> 01:43:14,647 It rolled and it picked up speed. 1800 01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:19,987 AN NA: A lot of rumors were made up and pure fantasies. 1801 01:43:20,069 --> 01:43:24,074 The wildest story of all was that I was a CIA agent. 1802 01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:27,122 And I was like, I couldn't really believe 1803 01:43:27,284 --> 01:43:30,128 that anyone would believe such a weird story. 1804 01:43:31,539 --> 01:43:32,586 [BOSTROM SPEAKING] 1805 01:43:32,665 --> 01:43:33,712 From outside I can understand 1806 01:43:33,791 --> 01:43:35,134 it must be a conspiracy. 1807 01:43:35,292 --> 01:43:37,386 But, I was in the middle of it. 1808 01:43:37,461 --> 01:43:38,929 Sorry to say it was not 1809 01:43:39,004 --> 01:43:41,348 two girls in short skirts 1810 01:43:41,465 --> 01:43:43,718 sent in from the CIA or whatever. 1811 01:43:44,176 --> 01:43:47,305 They were just ordinary, nice girls 1812 01:43:48,472 --> 01:43:51,191 admiring Julian and WikiLeaks. 1813 01:43:51,726 --> 01:43:54,946 INTERVIEWER: You've been very careful not to say anything. 1814 01:43:55,146 --> 01:43:56,489 Why? 1815 01:43:57,148 --> 01:44:01,324 Because this is a legal case, and not a public debate. 1816 01:44:01,527 --> 01:44:03,029 PROTESTERS: Sweden! Shame on you! 1817 01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,540 Sweden! Shame on you! 1818 01:44:06,866 --> 01:44:11,121 BALL: The way Julian's private affairs have been conflated with WikiLeaks, 1819 01:44:11,328 --> 01:44:12,830 I find quite troubling. 1820 01:44:13,122 --> 01:44:17,468 There was at one point an effort to try and separate the two issues. 1821 01:44:17,626 --> 01:44:18,798 That was reversed 1822 01:44:18,961 --> 01:44:22,090 and the decision was made to push the two causes together. 1823 01:44:22,757 --> 01:44:24,430 And so it just... 1824 01:44:24,633 --> 01:44:26,510 INTERVIEWER: How was that reversed? Was there a meeting? 1825 01:44:26,677 --> 01:44:29,601 Was there... Or it just slid into that direction? 1826 01:44:29,847 --> 01:44:31,190 Julian reversed it. 1827 01:44:31,307 --> 01:44:32,354 Explicitly. 1828 01:44:32,516 --> 01:44:36,316 He very much wanted what happened in Sweden 1829 01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,857 to be seen as part of the transparency agenda. 1830 01:44:39,523 --> 01:44:40,524 And it worked. 1831 01:44:40,983 --> 01:44:45,614 I'm here because the U.S. government and the Swedish authorities 1832 01:44:45,696 --> 01:44:47,698 are trying to gag the truth. 1833 01:44:47,865 --> 01:44:50,994 These charges are completely politically motivated 1834 01:44:51,118 --> 01:44:54,213 and have nothing whatsoever to do with the prosecution. 1835 01:44:54,330 --> 01:44:56,753 It's a persecution, not a prosecution. 1836 01:44:58,793 --> 01:45:01,262 DAVIES: What is so extraordinary is the way in which the two women 1837 01:45:01,420 --> 01:45:03,263 have been either completely forgotten, 1838 01:45:03,422 --> 01:45:05,766 as though they had no rights here at all, 1839 01:45:05,841 --> 01:45:09,345 or caricatured, vilified. 1840 01:45:09,428 --> 01:45:11,726 Web post by Assange supporter 1841 01:45:11,806 --> 01:45:13,149 AN NA: I've been through two years 1842 01:45:13,224 --> 01:45:15,977 of different kinds of abuses. 1843 01:45:16,143 --> 01:45:17,690 People coming to my house, 1844 01:45:17,895 --> 01:45:21,149 people threatening, or questioning 1845 01:45:21,357 --> 01:45:23,985 or following my friends and family. 1846 01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:25,532 Some death threats, 1847 01:45:25,694 --> 01:45:31,167 but mostly sexual threats that I deserve to get raped. 1848 01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,248 A lot of Twitter accounts and blogs 1849 01:45:37,331 --> 01:45:39,754 that are very close to WikiLeaks 1850 01:45:39,834 --> 01:45:44,260 have been publishing things that I know Julian knows is not true. 1851 01:45:46,799 --> 01:45:50,520 They admire him very much, and he could have easily stopped that. 1852 01:45:52,096 --> 01:45:55,100 DAVIES: There was an enormous amount of hype and misinformation 1853 01:45:55,182 --> 01:45:58,436 and bullshit that came out of Julian Assange's supporters. 1854 01:45:58,602 --> 01:46:00,650 And the more that people realize 1855 01:46:00,813 --> 01:46:02,941 that they were lied to by Julian, 1856 01:46:03,190 --> 01:46:06,444 the less moral and political authority he has. 1857 01:46:06,610 --> 01:46:08,362 He's supposed to be about truth. 1858 01:46:08,487 --> 01:46:09,989 PROTESTERS ON LOUDSPEAKER: Information should be free! 1859 01:46:10,114 --> 01:46:11,707 PROTESTERS: This is not democracy! 1860 01:46:11,866 --> 01:46:13,243 We want free speech! 1861 01:46:13,409 --> 01:46:14,661 Hands off WikiLeaks! 1862 01:46:14,827 --> 01:46:16,170 We want free speech! 1863 01:46:16,328 --> 01:46:17,796 Hands off WikiLeaks! 1864 01:46:17,955 --> 01:46:19,628 What do we want? Free speech! 1865 01:46:19,790 --> 01:46:21,508 When do we want it? Now! 1866 01:46:21,625 --> 01:46:23,127 [CROWD CHEERING] 1867 01:46:23,252 --> 01:46:25,004 ALL: Free Julian Assange! 1868 01:46:25,296 --> 01:46:29,267 Free Julian Assange! 1869 01:46:36,181 --> 01:46:37,979 [CLINKING] 1870 01:46:40,728 --> 01:46:43,481 Good evening, and welcome to this fundraising dinner 1871 01:46:43,647 --> 01:46:44,990 for freedom of speech. 1872 01:46:46,442 --> 01:46:49,321 While I cannot be with you in person this evening 1873 01:46:49,403 --> 01:46:51,405 because I am under house arrest, 1874 01:46:52,072 --> 01:46:54,996 I can at least be with you in spirit. 1875 01:46:59,622 --> 01:47:02,421 NARRATOR: After nine days, Assange was released from prison, 1876 01:47:02,499 --> 01:47:06,094 his supporters putting up over $300, 000 in bail. 1877 01:47:06,503 --> 01:47:09,052 While Julian appealed his extradition to Sweden, 1878 01:47:09,131 --> 01:47:12,886 a local journalist named Vaughan Smith offered Julian a place to stay. 1879 01:47:13,928 --> 01:47:17,933 VAUGHAN SMITH: Ellingham Hall is 125 miles northeast of London. 1880 01:47:18,515 --> 01:47:21,985 It's a house that's been in my family for 250 years or so. 1881 01:47:22,686 --> 01:47:25,109 We've got livestock, we've got cattle, we've got sheep. 1882 01:47:25,648 --> 01:47:27,650 We've got game, obviously, pheasant, partridge. 1883 01:47:27,733 --> 01:47:29,280 We shoot them and eat them. 1884 01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:39,958 BALL: Ellingham Hall is a lovely place, 1885 01:47:40,037 --> 01:47:42,131 but it's right in the middle of nowhere, 1886 01:47:42,247 --> 01:47:45,751 and we'd packed it with about 15-20 people. 1887 01:47:47,002 --> 01:47:50,347 It's a sort of cross between Big Brother and a spy thriller. 1888 01:47:56,929 --> 01:47:59,432 Part of Vaughan's plan to keep the thing civilized 1889 01:47:59,515 --> 01:48:01,768 was setting strict rules around meals, 1890 01:48:02,142 --> 01:48:06,989 and so Vaughan's very lovely housekeeper would cook for us three times a day. 1891 01:48:07,272 --> 01:48:09,115 Even port served at dinner, 1892 01:48:09,316 --> 01:48:12,069 which was passed to the left, of course. [CHUCKLES] 1893 01:48:12,653 --> 01:48:14,121 And now we are in a position 1894 01:48:14,238 --> 01:48:15,740 WikiLeaks fundraising video 1895 01:48:15,823 --> 01:48:18,417 where we are being most aggressively censored 1896 01:48:18,575 --> 01:48:22,000 by the Washington establishment of the United States. 1897 01:48:22,121 --> 01:48:23,839 NARRATOR: To raise money for his legal defense, 1898 01:48:24,123 --> 01:48:26,842 Assange began selling a compelling package: 1899 01:48:26,959 --> 01:48:28,427 Dinner with Julian. 1900 01:48:29,294 --> 01:48:30,921 In exchange for a donation, 1901 01:48:31,005 --> 01:48:33,474 WikiLeaks would provide a link to a video of Julian 1902 01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:35,388 to be played at home on a laptop, 1903 01:48:35,467 --> 01:48:37,970 placed on a tablemat set for the absent hacker. 1904 01:48:38,095 --> 01:48:43,443 And together, we make the world into a place where all our dreams can play. 1905 01:48:43,934 --> 01:48:46,107 BALL: This Dinner for Free Speech 1906 01:48:46,270 --> 01:48:49,945 was in fact dinner for Julian's sex offense defense fund. 1907 01:48:50,649 --> 01:48:54,074 No one knows now whether money given to WikiLeaks 1908 01:48:54,153 --> 01:48:56,326 is going to Julian or elsewhere. 1909 01:49:00,451 --> 01:49:02,954 NARRATOR: Julian's legal troubles made him more famous than ever, 1910 01:49:03,620 --> 01:49:07,966 but they also intensified his differences with his former media partners. 1911 01:49:08,125 --> 01:49:09,877 They defended his right to publish 1912 01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:12,463 but began to turn on Assange himself. 1913 01:49:13,297 --> 01:49:15,800 I've been close enough to see the 1914 01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:17,973 wasps around the jam here. 1915 01:49:18,302 --> 01:49:19,554 He stirred the nest 1916 01:49:19,636 --> 01:49:22,230 and they've come to sting him rather more than perhaps he expected. 1917 01:49:22,806 --> 01:49:25,434 JACK SHAFER: In a January piece, you described Assange as 1918 01:49:25,517 --> 01:49:28,191 "eccentric, " "elusive, " "manipulative, " "volatile, " 1919 01:49:28,353 --> 01:49:30,902 "openly hostile, " "coy, " an "office geek," 1920 01:49:31,065 --> 01:49:34,194 a "derelict, " "arrogant," "thin-skinned, " "conspiratorial, " 1921 01:49:34,359 --> 01:49:35,576 and "oddly credulous. " 1922 01:49:35,736 --> 01:49:39,240 Um, is that any way for a journalist to talk about his sources? 1923 01:49:39,323 --> 01:49:40,996 He looked like a bag lady coming in. 1924 01:49:41,075 --> 01:49:43,669 He was wearing kind of a dingy khaki sports coat, 1925 01:49:43,827 --> 01:49:44,953 old tennis shoes, 1926 01:49:45,079 --> 01:49:47,377 with socks that were kind of collapsing around his ankles. 1927 01:49:47,498 --> 01:49:49,671 And he clearly hadn't bathed in several days. 1928 01:49:50,375 --> 01:49:53,504 DAVIS: The New York Times... The hypocrisy of this act. 1929 01:49:53,670 --> 01:49:54,762 They wanted the material. 1930 01:49:54,838 --> 01:49:58,183 They were fully complicit in the publication of the material. 1931 01:49:58,258 --> 01:50:01,558 But as soon as the heat came on, they wanted to wash their hands. 1932 01:50:05,057 --> 01:50:08,812 NARRATOR: I tried over many months to get an on-camera interview with Assange. 1933 01:50:09,561 --> 01:50:11,313 After meetings and emails, 1934 01:50:11,396 --> 01:50:13,194 I was finally summoned to the Norfolk mansion 1935 01:50:13,273 --> 01:50:15,526 for a six-hour negotiation. 1936 01:50:16,068 --> 01:50:17,536 Julian wanted money. 1937 01:50:17,611 --> 01:50:20,080 He said that the market rate for an interview with him 1938 01:50:20,197 --> 01:50:21,915 was one million dollars. 1939 01:50:22,032 --> 01:50:24,535 When I declined, he offered an alternative, 1940 01:50:24,618 --> 01:50:28,248 perhaps I would spy on my other interviews and report back to him. 1941 01:50:28,372 --> 01:50:30,374 I couldn't do that either. 1942 01:50:30,457 --> 01:50:34,553 During his time under house arrest, he had become more secretive and paranoid. 1943 01:50:35,045 --> 01:50:36,718 He railed against his enemies, 1944 01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,053 and I knew that he had tried to get all his followers 1945 01:50:39,133 --> 01:50:41,135 to sign a non-disclosure agreement. 1946 01:50:41,260 --> 01:50:42,978 The penalty for leaking, 1947 01:50:43,053 --> 01:50:44,805 $ 19 million. 1948 01:50:45,848 --> 01:50:47,771 BALL: I'd found this a little bit awkward, 1949 01:50:48,058 --> 01:50:51,062 being asked by a transparency organization 1950 01:50:51,228 --> 01:50:53,151 to sign exactly the kind of document 1951 01:50:53,230 --> 01:50:56,279 used to silence whistle-blowers around the world. 1952 01:50:57,234 --> 01:50:59,953 Seemed pretty troubling. And so I refused. 1953 01:51:01,613 --> 01:51:05,413 ASSANGE: All organizations face two possible paths. 1954 01:51:05,617 --> 01:51:09,417 They can be open, honest, just, 1955 01:51:09,788 --> 01:51:13,588 or they can be closed, unjust, 1956 01:51:14,001 --> 01:51:16,003 and therefore not successful. 1957 01:51:18,172 --> 01:51:21,096 NARRATOR: Had the secret-leaker become the secret-keeper? 1958 01:51:21,175 --> 01:51:23,553 More and more fond of mysteries. 1959 01:51:23,677 --> 01:51:27,181 The biggest mystery of all was the role of the United States. 1960 01:51:27,264 --> 01:51:29,687 Over two years after the first leak, 1961 01:51:29,766 --> 01:51:32,394 no charges have been filed by the U.S. 1962 01:51:34,188 --> 01:51:37,032 Assange claimed that the U. S. was biding its time, 1963 01:51:37,107 --> 01:51:39,155 waiting for him to go to Sweden. 1964 01:51:39,568 --> 01:51:41,070 But there was no proof. 1965 01:51:41,153 --> 01:51:43,827 In fact, members of Assange's legal team 1966 01:51:43,989 --> 01:51:45,332 admitted that it would be easier 1967 01:51:45,449 --> 01:51:48,578 for the U.S. to extradite Assange from Britain. 1968 01:51:48,911 --> 01:51:51,130 HELENA A. KENNEDY: Britain is the one that's done this special deal 1969 01:51:51,205 --> 01:51:52,707 with the United States on extradition. 1970 01:51:52,789 --> 01:51:54,883 But Sweden is particularly strong 1971 01:51:54,958 --> 01:52:00,931 in seeing as sacrosanct that business about handing people over. 1972 01:52:01,006 --> 01:52:03,680 They would hold to that perhaps stronger than Britain would. 1973 01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,474 We think we've got a special relationship with the United States. 1974 01:52:07,721 --> 01:52:09,723 NARRATOR: Despite that special relationship, 1975 01:52:09,890 --> 01:52:12,359 Assange desperately fought extradition to Sweden 1976 01:52:12,684 --> 01:52:13,981 and lost every appeal. 1977 01:52:14,061 --> 01:52:15,654 PROTESTER: Julian, we are with you! 1978 01:52:16,230 --> 01:52:17,982 NARRATOR: His legal battle drained his finances 1979 01:52:18,148 --> 01:52:20,992 and trapped him in a family farm for over a year. 1980 01:52:22,611 --> 01:52:26,832 Hoped for funding didn't come, and WikiLeaks suspended operations. 1981 01:52:26,949 --> 01:52:29,828 His international organization had blown apart. 1982 01:52:31,119 --> 01:52:34,339 In Berlin, Daniel Domscheit-Berg quit the organization. 1983 01:52:35,123 --> 01:52:38,673 So did the mysterious figure who had built the secret submission system. 1984 01:52:39,378 --> 01:52:42,473 Assange no longer had a drop box for new leaks. 1985 01:52:43,131 --> 01:52:47,432 In London, journalist Heather Brooke was leaked unredacted copies 1986 01:52:47,511 --> 01:52:50,515 of all of the State Department cables by a WikiLeaks insider. 1987 01:52:51,265 --> 01:52:54,360 BROOKE: There was the initial people that Julian gave the information to 1988 01:52:54,434 --> 01:52:56,528 and then, how many people did they give it to, 1989 01:52:56,603 --> 01:52:58,276 and then how many people did they give it to? 1990 01:52:58,939 --> 01:53:02,193 NARRATOR: Some of the cables also leaked to a European dictator 1991 01:53:02,276 --> 01:53:06,031 who used them to target dissidents and suppress free speech. 1992 01:53:06,154 --> 01:53:08,828 This is at the core of where things went wrong, 1993 01:53:09,616 --> 01:53:12,870 and where ultimately WikiLeaks has lost control 1994 01:53:12,953 --> 01:53:15,581 over the spread of these documents. 1995 01:53:16,248 --> 01:53:19,548 NARRATOR: In the end, all of the cables leaked across the Internet 1996 01:53:19,626 --> 01:53:22,300 on mirrored versions of WikiLeaks. org. 1997 01:53:25,924 --> 01:53:28,552 All Julian had left was his celebrity. 1998 01:53:28,969 --> 01:53:30,061 [BEEPING] 1999 01:53:30,637 --> 01:53:31,854 How you doing, Mr. Assange? 2000 01:53:31,930 --> 01:53:33,432 That's my personal information 2001 01:53:33,515 --> 01:53:35,483 and you have no right to know about it! 2002 01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:40,986 NARRATOR: Julian extended his brand by hosting a chat show for Russian state television. 2003 01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:42,441 Where are you? In England? 2004 01:53:42,524 --> 01:53:46,779 lam in England, under house arrest now for 500 days. 2005 01:53:47,154 --> 01:53:48,497 Five hundred days. 2006 01:53:48,697 --> 01:53:52,793 NARRATOR: One of his guests was Rafael Correa, the president of Ecuador. 2007 01:53:53,827 --> 01:53:54,919 [SPEAKING SPANISH] 2008 01:53:54,995 --> 01:53:56,338 Welcome to the club of the persecuted! 2009 01:53:56,455 --> 01:53:58,048 Thank you, President Correa. 2010 01:53:58,123 --> 01:54:00,000 NARRATOR: A month after the program aired, 2011 01:54:00,083 --> 01:54:03,007 Assange sought asylum from his former TV guest. 2012 01:54:05,005 --> 01:54:06,803 [CROWD CHEERING] 2013 01:54:09,259 --> 01:54:12,559 ASSANGE: This morning the sun came up on a different world, 2014 01:54:12,637 --> 01:54:15,311 and a courageous Latin American nation took a stand for justice. 2015 01:54:15,432 --> 01:54:17,685 Embassy of Ecuador London, England 2016 01:54:18,643 --> 01:54:20,395 NARRATOR: It was an ironic choice. 2017 01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:23,153 Ecuador had a record of putting journalists in prison 2018 01:54:24,983 --> 01:54:28,487 and had been charged with corruption in a WikiLeaks cable. 2019 01:54:28,612 --> 01:54:33,118 The United States must renounce its witch hunt against WikiLeaks. 2020 01:54:34,951 --> 01:54:37,670 NARRATOR: Despite no proof of a US-Sweden plot, 2021 01:54:37,788 --> 01:54:40,007 Ecuador granted him asylum. 2022 01:54:40,123 --> 01:54:44,253 The British government pledged to arrest him if he left the tight confines of the embassy, 2023 01:54:44,336 --> 01:54:46,964 so Assange prepared for a long stay. 2024 01:54:47,089 --> 01:54:49,342 [CROWD CHEERING] 2025 01:54:49,925 --> 01:54:51,302 ANNA: I saw the signs 2026 01:54:51,426 --> 01:54:54,396 "Free Bradley Manning" and "Free Julian Assange, " 2027 01:54:54,471 --> 01:54:55,848 and I think it's ridiculous. 2028 01:54:56,264 --> 01:54:58,938 These two cases have nothing to do with each other. 2029 01:54:59,893 --> 01:55:01,611 Julian, he's not even imprisoned. 2030 01:55:01,895 --> 01:55:05,991 He has locked himself up to avoid coming to Sweden 2031 01:55:06,066 --> 01:55:10,162 to answer a few pretty simple questions. 2032 01:55:15,575 --> 01:55:19,296 BALL: There is a phenomenon called Noble Cause Corruption. 2033 01:55:19,996 --> 01:55:22,840 Essentially, you do things which 2034 01:55:23,041 --> 01:55:27,421 if anyone else did you would recognize aren't okay, aren't right. 2035 01:55:27,963 --> 01:55:30,557 But because you know you're a good guy, 2036 01:55:30,632 --> 01:55:31,758 it's different for you. 2037 01:55:33,301 --> 01:55:35,303 I suppose you can't accuse Julian 2038 01:55:35,387 --> 01:55:38,357 of not setting out from the beginning what he may do. 2039 01:55:38,432 --> 01:55:39,900 Mendax by name, 2040 01:55:39,975 --> 01:55:41,602 Mendax by nature. 2041 01:55:46,106 --> 01:55:48,484 DAVIES: The same extraordinary personality 2042 01:55:48,567 --> 01:55:52,197 which conceived of and created WikiLeaks 2043 01:55:52,279 --> 01:55:54,532 is also the same personality 2044 01:55:54,614 --> 01:55:57,584 that has effectively destroyed WikiLeaks. 2045 01:55:57,701 --> 01:56:00,875 WikiLeaks has become what it detests 2046 01:56:00,954 --> 01:56:05,380 and what it actually tried to rid the world of. 2047 01:56:07,461 --> 01:56:11,967 We must get away from this understanding that we see Julian as a savior, 2048 01:56:12,382 --> 01:56:15,761 as some new guru, some new hero, 2049 01:56:15,886 --> 01:56:17,980 some new pop star or whatever, 2050 01:56:18,054 --> 01:56:19,556 that's going to change all of it. 2051 01:56:21,266 --> 01:56:23,735 The credit is undue. 2052 01:56:23,810 --> 01:56:26,654 Everybody celebrating Julian as a whistle-blower. 2053 01:56:26,730 --> 01:56:28,107 He's not. 2054 01:56:28,231 --> 01:56:30,575 Bradley Manning might have been a whistle-blower, 2055 01:56:30,650 --> 01:56:33,574 and, if he was, he is the courageous guy. 2056 01:56:34,279 --> 01:56:36,247 He is the one that took all the risk 2057 01:56:36,323 --> 01:56:39,827 and in the end now has... ls suffering. 2058 01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:41,583 [PROTESTERS CHANTING] 2059 01:56:44,039 --> 01:56:45,757 Free Bradley Manning! 2060 01:56:48,293 --> 01:56:50,921 NARRATOR: After his arrest, Manning had been held for two months 2061 01:56:51,087 --> 01:56:53,761 in an eight-by-eight foot cage in Kuwait. 2062 01:56:54,716 --> 01:56:58,266 Then he was transferred to the Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Virginia. 2063 01:56:58,386 --> 01:57:00,855 Though Manning had not been tried for any crime, 2064 01:57:00,931 --> 01:57:04,105 he was kept in solitary confinement for nearly a year. 2065 01:57:04,226 --> 01:57:06,228 Shame! Sit yo' ass down! 2066 01:57:07,103 --> 01:57:10,198 PANELIST: Bradley Manning, the alleged leaker is currently sitting in prison 2067 01:57:10,273 --> 01:57:11,946 2010 Hackers on Planet Earth conference 2068 01:57:12,067 --> 01:57:13,364 and he could be locked up for the rest of his life. 2069 01:57:13,443 --> 01:57:14,615 How do you feel about that? 2070 01:57:14,736 --> 01:57:15,783 [AUDIENCE MEMBER SPEAKING] 2071 01:57:15,862 --> 01:57:16,863 He could be tortured. 2072 01:57:16,947 --> 01:57:19,291 I think that it's a little bit ludicrous 2073 01:57:19,407 --> 01:57:22,286 to say that Bradley Manning's going to be tortured. 2074 01:57:22,369 --> 01:57:25,873 We don't do that to our citizens. 2075 01:57:25,956 --> 01:57:27,299 [CROWD JEERING] 2076 01:57:27,415 --> 01:57:28,632 PROTESTERS: Free Bradley Manning! 2077 01:57:28,750 --> 01:57:29,797 NARRATOR: A high-ranking general 2078 01:57:29,918 --> 01:57:34,640 authorized Manning's placement in solitary confinement on suicide watch 2079 01:57:34,714 --> 01:57:36,716 against the protest of prison doctors. 2080 01:57:37,551 --> 01:57:39,770 His clothes and blankets were taken from him. 2081 01:57:39,844 --> 01:57:42,142 Lights in his cell were always on. 2082 01:57:42,222 --> 01:57:45,442 When he questioned his treatment, guards took away his glasses 2083 01:57:45,517 --> 01:57:48,396 and forced him to stand naked during morning roll call. 2084 01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:52,024 At night, guards kept him cold and woke him frequently, 2085 01:57:52,107 --> 01:57:56,362 a practice that recalled the sleep deprivation program at Guantanamo. 2086 01:57:56,778 --> 01:57:58,496 Manning's supporters speculated 2087 01:57:58,572 --> 01:58:00,700 that the U.S. government was trying to push Manning 2088 01:58:00,782 --> 01:58:03,626 to turn on Assange and implicate him in a crime. 2089 01:58:05,161 --> 01:58:06,754 INTERVIEWER: What was your reaction about 2090 01:58:06,830 --> 01:58:08,377 Bradley Manning's treatment at Quantico? 2091 01:58:08,456 --> 01:58:11,710 It seemed to me that sleep deprivation and nudity, 2092 01:58:11,835 --> 01:58:14,634 these were what I would call "enhanced interrogation techniques." 2093 01:58:14,754 --> 01:58:17,633 They were being practiced on an individual. [LAUGHS] No. 2094 01:58:17,716 --> 01:58:19,468 Look, I don't know the specifics. 2095 01:58:19,551 --> 01:58:22,020 I don't know the rules of confinement 2096 01:58:22,095 --> 01:58:23,768 for the Marine brig at Quantico. 2097 01:58:23,930 --> 01:58:26,809 But Bob Gates is an incredibly honorable man. 2098 01:58:26,891 --> 01:58:30,236 Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mike Mullen is an incredibly honorable man. 2099 01:58:30,353 --> 01:58:32,151 I defer very much to their judgment 2100 01:58:32,230 --> 01:58:34,904 that whatever was done was appropriate. 2101 01:58:36,693 --> 01:58:38,161 [PROTESTERS CHANTING] 2102 01:58:39,696 --> 01:58:42,700 CROWLEY: The treatment that he was receiving at Quantico, 2103 01:58:42,866 --> 01:58:45,039 the level of solitary confinement, 2104 01:58:45,201 --> 01:58:48,171 the fact that his clothes were taken away at night, 2105 01:58:48,246 --> 01:58:52,046 it was inconsistent with our values and our interests. 2106 01:58:52,167 --> 01:58:55,592 It was making Bradley Manning a far more sympathetic figure 2107 01:58:55,837 --> 01:58:56,884 than I see him. 2108 01:58:57,047 --> 01:59:00,847 When I was asked about it in a forum at MIT, 2109 01:59:01,843 --> 01:59:03,390 I gave a candid answer. 2110 01:59:03,553 --> 01:59:05,897 JAKE TAPPER: State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley 2111 01:59:06,014 --> 01:59:09,735 said the treatment of Bradley Manning by the Pentagon 2112 01:59:09,851 --> 01:59:12,980 is "ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid," 2113 01:59:13,063 --> 01:59:14,690 and I'm wondering if you agree with that. 2114 01:59:15,065 --> 01:59:16,237 Uh... 2115 01:59:16,358 --> 01:59:17,826 I have actually asked the Pentagon 2116 01:59:17,901 --> 01:59:22,247 whether or not the procedures that have been taken 2117 01:59:22,489 --> 01:59:26,494 in terms of his confinement are appropriate 2118 01:59:26,743 --> 01:59:29,667 and are meeting our basic standards. 2119 01:59:30,497 --> 01:59:32,499 They assure me that they are. 2120 01:59:32,874 --> 01:59:34,217 I was appalled at that. 2121 01:59:34,376 --> 01:59:38,381 I was appalled at that with respect to the President's responsibility 2122 01:59:38,546 --> 01:59:39,889 as Commander-in-Chief. 2123 01:59:40,173 --> 01:59:41,425 Any commander... 2124 01:59:41,508 --> 01:59:44,182 Any commander knows that first and foremost 2125 01:59:44,344 --> 01:59:47,018 he or she is responsible for the well-being 2126 01:59:47,222 --> 01:59:49,816 of each and every one of their soldiers, 2127 01:59:49,974 --> 01:59:52,397 to include the ones sitting in the brig. 2128 01:59:52,519 --> 01:59:55,489 I can't go into details about some of their concerns, 2129 01:59:55,647 --> 01:59:59,652 but some of this has to do with Private Manning's safety as well. 2130 02:00:00,110 --> 02:00:01,202 [REPORTER SPEAKING] 2131 02:00:01,277 --> 02:00:02,620 Do you disagree with P.J. Crowley? 2132 02:00:02,821 --> 02:00:05,870 I think I gave you an answer to the substantive issue. 2133 02:00:06,408 --> 02:00:09,503 CROWLEY: Once my comments were brought to the President of the United States, 2134 02:00:09,703 --> 02:00:11,705 I felt the only thing I should do is resign. 2135 02:00:12,372 --> 02:00:13,919 I stand by what I said. 2136 02:00:15,125 --> 02:00:16,342 NARRATOR: What was unsaid 2137 02:00:16,418 --> 02:00:20,048 was any consideration of holding Manning's supervisors accountable 2138 02:00:20,130 --> 02:00:23,475 for permitting the greatest security breach in American history. 2139 02:00:36,479 --> 02:00:40,154 NARRATOR: Manning's commanding officer only received a minor demotion. 2140 02:00:41,151 --> 02:00:44,200 The Army brought 22 charges against Manning. 2141 02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:46,288 They included "aiding the enemy," 2142 02:00:46,364 --> 02:00:49,243 without naming just who the enemy was. 2143 02:00:49,325 --> 02:00:52,124 For these charges, Manning faced life in prison, 2144 02:00:52,203 --> 02:00:54,501 and a possible death sentence. 2145 02:00:58,334 --> 02:01:00,086 DAVIES: People who don't like the leak 2146 02:01:00,170 --> 02:01:03,049 try to say that it was damaging national security. 2147 02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:05,342 Have you ever seen any evidence 2148 02:01:05,467 --> 02:01:08,892 that American national security has been damaged in any way by this? 2149 02:01:10,346 --> 02:01:14,351 And if you look at what the whistle-blower is saying in that online chat, 2150 02:01:14,476 --> 02:01:15,648 and look at what he doesn't say. 2151 02:01:16,519 --> 02:01:18,692 He doesn't say, "I want money. " 2152 02:01:18,772 --> 02:01:21,116 He doesn't say, "I'm going to go to Russia or China. 2153 02:01:21,191 --> 02:01:23,364 "I'm going to go to al-Qaeda and give them this stuff." 2154 02:01:23,485 --> 02:01:24,532 It doesn't happen. 2155 02:01:24,611 --> 02:01:30,038 He says, "This is the material that the people of the world need to have." 2156 02:01:30,116 --> 02:01:32,539 And it was naive to dump the whole lot 2157 02:01:32,619 --> 02:01:35,042 without thinking ahead about how that was going to be handled. 2158 02:01:35,288 --> 02:01:37,962 But you don't have to lock this guy up for decades 2159 02:01:38,041 --> 02:01:40,214 and effectively put him through forms of torture. 2160 02:01:40,460 --> 02:01:43,555 That's a politically motivated act of vengeance 2161 02:01:43,630 --> 02:01:45,928 on somebody who hasn't damaged national security, 2162 02:01:46,007 --> 02:01:47,805 he's caused embarrassment. 2163 02:01:47,884 --> 02:01:48,976 CLINTON: Let's be clear. 2164 02:01:49,594 --> 02:01:55,601 This disclosure is not just an attack on America's foreign policy interests, 2165 02:01:56,142 --> 02:01:59,191 it is an attack on the international community. 2166 02:02:01,606 --> 02:02:03,700 BROOKE: The American government said, "You can't publish this. 2167 02:02:03,775 --> 02:02:08,201 "It's dangerous. It's going to damage world affairs, diplomacy, etc." 2168 02:02:08,279 --> 02:02:10,031 But then you publish it anyway, 2169 02:02:10,114 --> 02:02:11,536 and it's for the greater good, 2170 02:02:11,950 --> 02:02:14,123 telling people what they needed to know. 2171 02:02:15,829 --> 02:02:19,834 BALL: The question becomes, does it matter and what changes? 2172 02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:25,221 I think really we have to say that something has started, 2173 02:02:25,338 --> 02:02:28,012 and it's not going to be about WikiLeaks. 2174 02:02:28,091 --> 02:02:31,470 It's going to be about transparency and accountability, 2175 02:02:32,136 --> 02:02:34,059 and keeping power in check, 2176 02:02:34,138 --> 02:02:36,607 keeping governments responsible, 2177 02:02:36,683 --> 02:02:39,357 and who cares who does it as long as someone does. 2178 02:02:40,937 --> 02:02:44,032 LEONARD: Information by its very nature needs to flow. 2179 02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:48,991 In some regards, withholding information is trying to repeal the laws of gravity. 2180 02:02:49,195 --> 02:02:50,913 You may succeed for a short period of time, 2181 02:02:50,989 --> 02:02:53,993 but sooner or later it's going to break free. 2182 02:02:54,284 --> 02:02:56,537 INTERVIEWER: Now you're talking just like a hacker. 2183 02:02:56,619 --> 02:02:57,871 [LAUGHING] 2184 02:02:59,330 --> 02:03:00,377 [AUDIENCE MEMBER SPEAKING] 2185 02:03:00,456 --> 02:03:01,582 I think Manning did the right thing 2186 02:03:01,666 --> 02:03:03,339 and what you did you have to live with! 2187 02:03:03,459 --> 02:03:04,927 [AUDIENCE APPLAUDING] 2188 02:03:05,003 --> 02:03:06,095 I think you belong in Guantanamo! 2189 02:03:07,297 --> 02:03:08,799 PANELIST: Whoa! Okay. 2190 02:03:11,509 --> 02:03:15,764 LAMO: I care more about Bradley than many of his supporters do. 2191 02:03:16,097 --> 02:03:19,476 We had a chance to be friends, however briefly, and... 2192 02:03:22,770 --> 02:03:26,775 He opened up in a lot of ways 2193 02:03:27,108 --> 02:03:29,952 about his life, his personal life, 2194 02:03:30,612 --> 02:03:31,955 and 2195 02:03:33,448 --> 02:03:37,169 he did it in a way that someone only would do 2196 02:03:37,327 --> 02:03:39,796 to someone they felt they could trust. 2197 02:03:41,122 --> 02:03:44,626 And I had to betray that trust 2198 02:03:44,792 --> 02:03:46,760 for the sake of 2199 02:03:50,131 --> 02:03:52,850 all of the people that he put in danger. 2200 02:03:54,761 --> 02:03:59,437 And I wish to hell that it had never happened. 2201 02:04:05,813 --> 02:04:06,985 [SNIFFLES] 2202 02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:20,457 WEBSTER: It's going to be a question for the ages, 2203 02:04:20,536 --> 02:04:24,541 why Bradley Manning reached out to somebody he really didn't know 2204 02:04:25,333 --> 02:04:30,009 and entrusted him with such a life-altering secret. 2205 02:04:32,590 --> 02:04:36,845 The only thing I can come up with is that once he saw the results of the leak, 2206 02:04:36,928 --> 02:04:40,649 the need just to share that, just probably grew and grew. 2207 02:04:40,723 --> 02:04:41,849 He just needed to tell anybody, 2208 02:04:41,933 --> 02:04:44,903 and he thought Adrian was the right person to tell. 2209 02:04:45,061 --> 02:04:48,110 Whistle-blowing is a really isolating act. 2210 02:04:48,231 --> 02:04:51,781 It's a courageous and phenomenal thing to do, 2211 02:04:52,568 --> 02:04:54,912 but you are essentially doing something 2212 02:04:55,071 --> 02:04:58,826 that your colleagues and your friends 2213 02:04:58,908 --> 02:05:01,752 would not want you to do and not understand. 2214 02:05:01,911 --> 02:05:04,334 It alienates you further from them. 2215 02:05:04,414 --> 02:05:07,418 A source who needs to talk to someone 2216 02:05:07,583 --> 02:05:11,588 and explain what they've done and think through what they've done 2217 02:05:11,754 --> 02:05:13,631 needs someone safe to do that to. 2218 02:05:26,477 --> 02:05:29,481 BALL: In the logs, Manning says, he couldn't talk to WikiLeaks, 2219 02:05:29,605 --> 02:05:31,198 that's not how they work. 2220 02:05:31,274 --> 02:05:33,743 Does that protect whistle-blowers 2221 02:05:33,901 --> 02:05:35,619 or does it protect WikiLeaks? 2222 02:05:38,406 --> 02:05:40,625 DOMSCHEIT-BERG: In the end, everybody's just human. 2223 02:05:40,742 --> 02:05:43,291 If you're leaking material to someone, 2224 02:05:43,411 --> 02:05:46,711 if you're telling a reporter a good story, 2225 02:05:46,789 --> 02:05:48,541 something that really makes a difference, 2226 02:05:48,624 --> 02:05:52,800 then I think just from a human perspective, 2227 02:05:52,879 --> 02:05:56,304 it's really difficult not to get any credit for it. 2228 02:05:56,424 --> 02:05:59,143 Because no one can tap you on the shoulder and say, "Good job. 2229 02:05:59,260 --> 02:06:01,308 "Courageous thing you did." 2230 02:06:04,223 --> 02:06:07,443 And this is really the complicated part about it. 2231 02:06:07,518 --> 02:06:11,694 How do you make sure that your source doesn't compromise themselves? 2232 02:06:29,373 --> 02:06:33,128 NARRATOR: In the chats, Manning sent a link to "Pale Blue Dot," 2233 02:06:33,878 --> 02:06:35,471 a famous photo of Earth he saw 2234 02:06:35,546 --> 02:06:39,050 while reading an essay by the astronomer Carl Sagan. 2235 02:06:40,384 --> 02:06:43,433 "That's home," said Sagan. "That's us. 2236 02:06:44,555 --> 02:06:48,401 "Every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there, 2237 02:06:48,476 --> 02:06:50,069 "on a mote of dust, 2238 02:06:50,144 --> 02:06:52,146 "suspended on a sunbeam. 2239 02:06:52,814 --> 02:06:55,943 "In our obscurity, in all this vastness, 2240 02:06:56,067 --> 02:06:58,866 "there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere 2241 02:06:59,028 --> 02:07:01,406 "to save us from ourselves. 2242 02:07:02,198 --> 02:07:03,871 "It is up to us." 2243 02:07:26,556 --> 02:07:28,900 After international outcry, 2244 02:07:29,016 --> 02:07:31,940 the US Army moved Bradley Manning out of solitary confinement. 2245 02:07:32,061 --> 02:07:35,531 In February 2013, Manning pled guilty to leaking documents to WikiLeaks. 2246 02:07:35,606 --> 02:07:38,906 The Army continued to prosecute him for "aiding the enemy." 2247 02:07:39,026 --> 02:07:42,701 Bradley Manning was held without trial for more than 3 years. 2248 02:07:43,865 --> 02:07:46,914 As of March 2013, Julian Assange remained confined to a small room 2249 02:07:47,034 --> 02:07:49,002 in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. 2250 02:07:49,078 --> 02:07:51,922 He promised to publish more documents 2251 02:07:52,039 --> 02:07:55,885 and announced his campaign to run for Senate in Australia. 199044

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