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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:54,725 --> 00:00:56,018 Yeah, but I was so fortunate. 4 00:00:56,143 --> 00:00:58,187 It must have been fate or some shit, 5 00:00:58,521 --> 00:01:00,815 but next-door neighbour, there was only one woman, 6 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:02,233 she was a widow 7 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,069 and I used to be able to play the gramophone. 8 00:01:05,236 --> 00:01:07,530 And what I used to do was sing in front of the mirror 9 00:01:08,197 --> 00:01:10,408 with a tennis racket. 10 00:01:11,242 --> 00:01:12,785 You know, we've all been there. 11 00:01:13,286 --> 00:01:17,957 And when I first started, an incredible ego. 12 00:01:18,124 --> 00:01:19,917 - Pardon? - How old were you? 13 00:01:20,084 --> 00:01:21,085 About 12. 14 00:01:21,752 --> 00:01:23,212 Yeah, full of shit. 15 00:01:23,379 --> 00:01:24,380 Still am. 16 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:43,399 Yeah, we used to deliver the papers all around this area. 17 00:01:44,191 --> 00:01:46,193 We both worked for the same paper shop. 18 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:49,947 But Joe had got a slightly different round 19 00:01:50,114 --> 00:01:51,365 to the one that I had. 20 00:01:52,908 --> 00:01:55,953 We didn't get much money, but it was money. 21 00:01:56,579 --> 00:01:57,663 Kept us out of trouble. 22 00:01:59,790 --> 00:02:00,791 Gracious me! 23 00:02:01,792 --> 00:02:05,796 Early in the morning, at weekends and stuff like that, 24 00:02:05,963 --> 00:02:07,840 after the paper round had finished, 25 00:02:08,007 --> 00:02:10,134 I'd go round and see Joe. 26 00:02:11,344 --> 00:02:13,971 But I would come in and he'd always be listening to music. 27 00:02:17,183 --> 00:02:21,103 And his breakfast was always two Weetabix 28 00:02:21,228 --> 00:02:23,022 with a load of sugar and milk on. 29 00:02:24,815 --> 00:02:28,861 This is Joe looking incredibly smart 30 00:02:29,028 --> 00:02:30,363 with his mum and me. 31 00:02:31,697 --> 00:02:32,823 And... 32 00:02:33,741 --> 00:02:36,827 Then we get him slightly more Joe-like, 33 00:02:37,578 --> 00:02:39,372 looking slightly tousle-haired. 34 00:02:40,206 --> 00:02:43,668 Joe and elegance always had a bit of a dispute. 35 00:02:45,836 --> 00:02:48,297 Joe in his teens looking reflective, 36 00:02:48,464 --> 00:02:49,674 looking over the cliffs. 37 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,550 A pal of mine, Dave Brooksbank, 38 00:02:51,717 --> 00:02:54,387 said that we were gonna set up a skiffle group. 39 00:02:54,553 --> 00:02:56,389 I think we were playing at some youth club 40 00:02:56,555 --> 00:02:59,475 and Joe came up and joined us on one of the numbers. 41 00:03:00,101 --> 00:03:04,772 And Joe was only, I think, 12 at the time, 12 and a half 42 00:03:04,939 --> 00:03:08,275 He came up and sang along with us. 43 00:03:08,526 --> 00:03:11,237 I'd really got no idea up to that point 44 00:03:11,362 --> 00:03:12,655 that he'd got a good voice. 45 00:03:12,822 --> 00:03:14,573 Being an older brother, 46 00:03:15,074 --> 00:03:17,910 you didn't necessarily look for that sort of talent 47 00:03:18,077 --> 00:03:19,370 in your younger brother. 48 00:03:19,829 --> 00:03:23,457 This is a rare photograph of Joe in his swimming trunks. 49 00:03:24,625 --> 00:03:27,086 And there he is showing off his tummy 50 00:03:28,087 --> 00:03:29,797 to great effect. 51 00:03:31,716 --> 00:03:34,301 He used to get on great with everybody, Joe. 52 00:03:34,468 --> 00:03:36,887 And he was the life and the soul of the party. 53 00:03:37,054 --> 00:03:38,597 Everybody wanted to be around him. 54 00:03:38,764 --> 00:03:40,725 He’d got kind of a following. 55 00:03:40,891 --> 00:03:45,396 Wherever he went, he would create a kind of a party. 56 00:03:52,695 --> 00:03:55,448 He had a little transistor radio and 57 00:03:55,614 --> 00:03:57,825 I remember one night he said, "Listen to this," 58 00:03:57,992 --> 00:03:59,744 because he'd been waiting for it to come on. 59 00:03:59,910 --> 00:04:01,746 He always used to have it to his ear like this. 60 00:04:10,004 --> 00:04:13,716 And it was "What'd I Say" by Ray Charles. 61 00:04:21,557 --> 00:04:22,933 It was a bad reception, 62 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:27,563 but just the voice suddenly did something to me. 63 00:04:33,194 --> 00:04:34,195 Everyone disowned me 64 00:04:34,361 --> 00:04:36,530 because I became so obsessed with listening to the man. 65 00:05:02,848 --> 00:05:06,936 I was singing at nights and working in the daytime. 66 00:05:16,237 --> 00:05:19,490 Everybody was expecting me to get a job. My folks did. 67 00:05:20,574 --> 00:05:22,243 I didn't know what the hell I wanted to do. 68 00:05:23,285 --> 00:05:26,914 And this gas fitting thing came along when I was only 16. 69 00:05:27,706 --> 00:05:29,542 I took this apprenticeship up. 70 00:05:30,543 --> 00:05:31,669 I was a gas fitter. 71 00:05:31,836 --> 00:05:34,630 I was like a plumber, only you're fitting gas appliances. 72 00:05:35,965 --> 00:05:40,970 But the singing bit was always the strong thing in my head. 73 00:05:41,929 --> 00:05:44,974 But every night, we used to go out and sing in these pubs. 74 00:05:45,558 --> 00:05:48,352 I can't remember definitely. You're going back a year or two. 75 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:52,606 But, I mean, it would have probably come from Joe, 76 00:05:52,773 --> 00:05:55,609 the inspiration to kind of get a band together. 77 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,444 My mother, God bless her, 78 00:05:57,611 --> 00:06:00,531 she bought me a guitar called a "Lucky 7" 79 00:06:00,948 --> 00:06:03,367 which was a completely white guitar. 80 00:06:04,368 --> 00:06:06,453 Joe used to play a snare drum 81 00:06:06,620 --> 00:06:11,417 and his parents were fine about us kind of using the back room 82 00:06:11,542 --> 00:06:12,668 to kind of rehearse. 83 00:06:14,044 --> 00:06:16,755 I first learned how to bend a string 84 00:06:17,464 --> 00:06:19,758 in that room down there to the right. 85 00:06:19,925 --> 00:06:21,385 I remember that vividly. 86 00:06:21,844 --> 00:06:24,471 "Oh, that's how you do it!" 87 00:06:24,638 --> 00:06:28,559 So, yes, this is where it all started for Joe, yeah. 88 00:06:44,783 --> 00:06:46,118 I was in a band 89 00:06:46,660 --> 00:06:49,330 and we were playing at the Locarno in Sheffield 90 00:06:49,496 --> 00:06:52,207 and one night Joe appeared 91 00:06:52,416 --> 00:06:54,585 in the audience and he came up to me 92 00:06:54,752 --> 00:06:56,837 and he said, "Would you join my band?" 93 00:06:57,338 --> 00:06:58,672 It was like a rival band. 94 00:06:59,340 --> 00:07:01,759 And he was doing blues and all the good stuff 95 00:07:01,926 --> 00:07:03,677 that I would like to do. 96 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:06,847 And so I said, "Yeah, I'd love to join you." 97 00:07:07,681 --> 00:07:09,391 He was sort of scruffy. 98 00:07:09,558 --> 00:07:11,644 He didn't really care about how he looked. 99 00:07:11,810 --> 00:07:13,479 He had massive curly hair, 100 00:07:14,021 --> 00:07:16,106 really scruffy-looking, but I just liked him 101 00:07:16,273 --> 00:07:21,195 because he was a genuine guy. He was a real guy. 102 00:07:23,072 --> 00:07:25,199 It was strange that our paths had never crossed, 103 00:07:25,366 --> 00:07:29,036 all those years we had lived in the same town, until 1967 104 00:07:29,203 --> 00:07:31,997 when we both could feel the twilight. 105 00:07:32,164 --> 00:07:34,541 If we didn't do something fast, we were going to get lost. 106 00:07:34,708 --> 00:07:36,752 That's when we started writing songs together. 107 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:41,507 It was an instrumental that I'd done at home 108 00:07:41,674 --> 00:07:44,259 on my little tape recorder in the front room 109 00:07:44,426 --> 00:07:45,803 and it developed from there. 110 00:07:47,638 --> 00:07:51,767 For percussion I had a brass fruit bowl 111 00:07:52,810 --> 00:07:55,729 of my mum's which I was bashing on. 112 00:07:56,397 --> 00:07:58,774 My mother was upstairs in the bedroom, 113 00:07:59,817 --> 00:08:01,819 knocking on the floor for me to shut up. 114 00:08:01,986 --> 00:08:03,237 It was like two in the morning. 115 00:08:04,321 --> 00:08:07,408 I played it for Joe and he loved the sound of it. 116 00:08:08,158 --> 00:08:12,162 And about three days later he came back 117 00:08:12,788 --> 00:08:14,206 and he'd written words to it. 118 00:08:44,236 --> 00:08:48,365 Denny was particularly good at picking musicians and songs. 119 00:08:48,991 --> 00:08:52,036 I don't think I ever heard him come up 120 00:08:52,202 --> 00:08:53,954 with a musical idea as such. 121 00:08:54,121 --> 00:08:56,999 I mean, I never heard him give anybody a part. 122 00:08:57,499 --> 00:08:59,710 I don't think he could whistle a tune. 123 00:09:00,210 --> 00:09:03,797 But he provided a really, really creative atmosphere 124 00:09:03,922 --> 00:09:06,967 in the studio and was a really good producer. 125 00:09:07,509 --> 00:09:11,680 It was awesome for me, really, this big Olympic studio. 126 00:09:12,556 --> 00:09:15,768 And all this equipment and fabulous desks and stuff 127 00:09:15,934 --> 00:09:18,729 and Glyn Johns was a total genius. 128 00:09:18,896 --> 00:09:21,440 The one thing I remember more than anything is Chris Stainton 129 00:09:21,607 --> 00:09:23,817 coming in the control room at the beginning of the session 130 00:09:24,568 --> 00:09:25,778 and saying to me, 131 00:09:25,944 --> 00:09:28,655 "I have a way that I want you to record my piano," 132 00:09:28,781 --> 00:09:30,407 which didn't go down very well with me. 133 00:09:30,574 --> 00:09:34,119 I don't normally like a musician telling me how to record. 134 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:36,872 I didn't know who he was at that point. 135 00:09:37,247 --> 00:09:40,584 He was quite amused by me, I think. 136 00:09:40,751 --> 00:09:43,295 I told him where to put the microphone on the piano. 137 00:09:45,089 --> 00:09:47,382 I said, "If you stick it round the back, it'll sound great." 138 00:09:47,883 --> 00:09:49,468 "If that's what he wants, I'll do it." 139 00:09:49,635 --> 00:09:51,220 Actually, it was very effective, 140 00:09:51,386 --> 00:09:53,430 so my hat was tipped to him immediately. 141 00:09:59,394 --> 00:10:01,230 He's not exactly an Adonis, Joe. 142 00:10:02,356 --> 00:10:04,858 He wasn't sort of pop star material, really, 143 00:10:05,192 --> 00:10:06,819 but I thought his voice was extraordinary, 144 00:10:06,944 --> 00:10:08,362 which ls why I thought we had a hit. 145 00:10:08,779 --> 00:10:10,114 They put it out as a single, I think. 146 00:10:11,115 --> 00:10:15,160 I think it actually got to number 43 or something. 147 00:10:25,879 --> 00:10:31,051 I used to listen to others, like The Beatles or The Stones 148 00:10:31,218 --> 00:10:34,555 and feel he could do as well if not better. 149 00:10:38,142 --> 00:10:41,103 All it needed was just some sort of breakthrough, really, 150 00:10:41,270 --> 00:10:44,439 that was gonna get him to the public attention. 151 00:10:56,910 --> 00:10:59,413 We were doing gigs in London 152 00:11:00,164 --> 00:11:03,000 and at some point Joe said 153 00:11:03,625 --> 00:11:05,794 he wanted to do "A Little Help From My Friends", 154 00:11:06,503 --> 00:11:07,713 but not like The Beatles. 155 00:11:43,498 --> 00:11:44,333 For some odd reason, 156 00:11:44,458 --> 00:11:46,335 I thought of "Little Help From My Friends" 157 00:11:46,627 --> 00:11:49,546 and I was sat on the outside toilet in Tasker Road. 158 00:11:51,506 --> 00:11:54,259 With my pants down at my knees. 159 00:11:55,844 --> 00:11:58,055 I don't know why that should have given me any inspiration. 160 00:11:59,431 --> 00:12:01,683 He liked the six-eights of... 161 00:12:04,394 --> 00:12:05,437 Sort of beat. 162 00:12:05,604 --> 00:12:08,482 A lot of Aretha's records had that. 163 00:12:09,107 --> 00:12:12,319 I said, "Why don't you do a Ray Charles scream?" 164 00:12:48,855 --> 00:12:51,149 I got invited round to Apple, right? 165 00:12:51,316 --> 00:12:53,277 And George was there. 166 00:12:54,236 --> 00:12:56,863 I think they were just finishing 'Abbey Road", right? 167 00:12:57,364 --> 00:12:59,283 And George sort of played me something. 168 00:12:59,825 --> 00:13:01,910 And I said, "OK, I'll have that." 169 00:13:02,411 --> 00:13:03,912 Then Paul McCartney drifted in 170 00:13:04,413 --> 00:13:05,914 and he said, "You can have this one." 171 00:13:27,436 --> 00:13:30,272 We'd had this number one record with "Little Help"in England. 172 00:13:30,856 --> 00:13:34,609 I remember Dee Anthony came to see us in London in this club 173 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,822 and said, "You want to come to America, guys? 174 00:13:38,989 --> 00:13:41,199 I'll pay you $2,000 a week." 175 00:13:41,867 --> 00:13:43,452 You know, or $2,000 a night. 176 00:13:44,077 --> 00:13:46,997 You can imagine from Sheffield, England, to suddenly hear this 177 00:13:47,164 --> 00:13:48,790 and we were thinking, "My God!" 178 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:51,251 You know, because we always wanted to go to the States. 179 00:14:24,785 --> 00:14:28,622 We didn't really have any sort of influence on America 180 00:14:28,789 --> 00:14:30,332 until "Little Help From My Friends" 181 00:14:30,999 --> 00:14:34,503 which was a hit, so all of a sudden we were... 182 00:14:34,669 --> 00:14:35,670 We were over there. 183 00:14:36,296 --> 00:14:39,007 We were making money. We were top of the world. 184 00:14:39,591 --> 00:14:43,595 We were playing to bigger and bigger audiences across America. 185 00:14:44,137 --> 00:14:46,807 And we were like schoolkids thinking 186 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:49,434 the bubble's gonna burst at any moment. 187 00:14:49,601 --> 00:14:52,396 And there were groupies throwing themselves at us 188 00:14:52,562 --> 00:14:53,897 and all this stuff. 189 00:14:54,022 --> 00:14:54,856 OK. 190 00:15:10,163 --> 00:15:11,832 I ran out and I got the album. 191 00:15:12,124 --> 00:15:13,583 I said, this guy's got to be pretty good 192 00:15:13,750 --> 00:15:16,461 if all these people are playing on this recording. 193 00:15:17,212 --> 00:15:18,630 Jimmy Page was on the album. 194 00:15:18,797 --> 00:15:20,507 Steve Winwood was on the album. 195 00:15:21,007 --> 00:15:23,218 They had some of the best musicians in Britain 196 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,011 on that first album. 197 00:15:25,178 --> 00:15:27,973 We were all curious. "Who's this guy Joe Cocker?" 198 00:15:28,765 --> 00:15:30,267 It was just a brilliant record. 199 00:15:30,392 --> 00:15:34,813 And it was met with great feeling from the radio people... 200 00:15:35,397 --> 00:15:37,441 that I respected and... 201 00:15:37,566 --> 00:15:39,443 I knew we were on to something really big. 202 00:15:40,068 --> 00:15:43,113 He was one of the most articulate people I'd ever met 203 00:15:43,655 --> 00:15:46,324 for just a schoolboy education. 204 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:48,535 He was charming, absolutely charming. 205 00:15:49,161 --> 00:15:50,704 He was looking forward to his career. 206 00:15:50,871 --> 00:15:53,707 He was into the business and it was just very exciting. 207 00:16:06,136 --> 00:16:09,973 When I booked Joe, I hadn't seen him perform 208 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:12,225 and the first time I heard him 209 00:16:13,143 --> 00:16:16,771 I think Denny Cordell had sent a tape of Joe. 210 00:16:17,898 --> 00:16:21,568 And when I first listened to it, I thought it was amazing. 211 00:16:21,693 --> 00:16:22,777 I thought he was black. 212 00:16:22,903 --> 00:16:24,654 I thought it was some sort of black blues singer. 213 00:16:28,283 --> 00:16:30,410 We had to go in by helicopter. 214 00:16:30,994 --> 00:16:33,705 But I threw up out of the helicopter 215 00:16:34,789 --> 00:16:38,793 because I'd taken some LSD, I'd taken some acid. 216 00:16:39,461 --> 00:16:42,214 Everybody was taking everything in those days, 217 00:16:42,380 --> 00:16:45,008 so I'd taken some acid and it was a bit heavy. 218 00:16:48,303 --> 00:16:51,431 And I don't know how the hell I managed to play. 219 00:17:31,763 --> 00:17:32,931 I was at Woodstock. 220 00:17:33,056 --> 00:17:35,559 One of the people I was there to see was Joe Cocker. 221 00:17:36,393 --> 00:17:39,896 It's startling how strong his voice was. 222 00:17:40,438 --> 00:17:41,940 It was shocking. 223 00:17:42,107 --> 00:17:46,236 He was like a skinny English guy with scraggly hair. 224 00:17:47,404 --> 00:17:49,531 Kind of making funny moves with his hands. 225 00:17:49,739 --> 00:17:52,325 He was basically playing air guitar 226 00:17:52,492 --> 00:17:54,286 before there was air guitar. 227 00:17:54,953 --> 00:17:57,706 And clearly it was an instrument. 228 00:17:57,872 --> 00:18:01,376 It was part of the way he produced what he did. 229 00:18:01,585 --> 00:18:04,337 He was kind of shaking and contorting. 230 00:18:04,963 --> 00:18:10,552 The clenched fist and kind of the body movements said to me 231 00:18:11,636 --> 00:18:13,680 this guy is at the heart of what he sings. 232 00:18:13,847 --> 00:18:15,515 This is not some shtick. 233 00:18:15,682 --> 00:18:18,310 This is really the way he is. Wow! 234 00:18:18,476 --> 00:18:21,313 Right from the beginning, he was always like that. 235 00:18:21,479 --> 00:18:24,316 He was always like 150%. 236 00:18:26,151 --> 00:18:28,278 He used to go totally frantic every time 237 00:18:29,237 --> 00:18:31,531 and put his whole life into it. 238 00:18:31,698 --> 00:18:34,659 I don't know how he managed to maintain such intensity. 239 00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:45,712 That Woodstock moment was the real breakthrough 240 00:18:45,879 --> 00:18:48,089 in terms of creating his image. 241 00:18:48,715 --> 00:18:50,342 Somehow everybody got it. 242 00:18:50,508 --> 00:18:52,844 They saw what he was about, really. 243 00:18:53,011 --> 00:18:55,221 There's three things I remember about 1969. 244 00:18:55,972 --> 00:18:56,973 Woodstock. 245 00:18:57,891 --> 00:19:00,894 The Led Zeppelin album came out and the Joe Cocker album. 246 00:19:01,436 --> 00:19:03,396 And that's how I sum up 1969. 247 00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:16,034 It seemed to be a fairly common opinion at the time 248 00:19:16,201 --> 00:19:19,371 that Joe was the number one male artist in the United States. 249 00:19:19,829 --> 00:19:21,331 He was massive, absolutely huge. 250 00:19:31,675 --> 00:19:35,011 His manager Dee Anthony had booked an extensive tour 251 00:19:35,178 --> 00:19:36,471 in the United States 252 00:19:37,138 --> 00:19:39,766 and Joe had just come off of a tour in England 253 00:19:39,933 --> 00:19:43,144 and I know he felt like he was going to be able 254 00:19:43,311 --> 00:19:45,605 to just kick back and get some rest. 255 00:19:46,398 --> 00:19:48,900 It was five, six days before the tour started 256 00:19:49,067 --> 00:19:50,276 and Dee Anthony said, "No. 257 00:19:50,944 --> 00:19:52,612 This is not a time to rest. 258 00:19:52,737 --> 00:19:55,323 If you don't do these dates, you'll never work 259 00:19:55,448 --> 00:19:56,866 in the United States again." 260 00:19:57,033 --> 00:19:59,828 I could imagine Dee saying that too, but 261 00:20:00,995 --> 00:20:04,791 I wasn't privy to that, but all I know is that 262 00:20:05,875 --> 00:20:07,127 everybody was in lockstep 263 00:20:07,293 --> 00:20:09,295 to make this tour as successful as it could be. 264 00:20:09,462 --> 00:20:12,257 He was saying people's legs are gonna get broken. 265 00:20:12,966 --> 00:20:16,177 "These contracts are signed, the venues are booked. 266 00:20:16,678 --> 00:20:19,556 The tickets are sold. You have to do this. 267 00:20:19,889 --> 00:20:21,391 And if you don't..." 268 00:20:21,558 --> 00:20:23,601 The implied part of that 269 00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:26,187 was that somebody was gonna hurt Joe. 270 00:20:27,605 --> 00:20:30,108 This is his manager talking to him, 271 00:20:30,275 --> 00:20:32,527 the guy that's supposed to be helping him 272 00:20:32,694 --> 00:20:34,154 and building his career. 273 00:20:34,571 --> 00:20:38,116 Maybe Dee was just stating what he felt might happen. 274 00:20:38,825 --> 00:20:43,288 But to me it wasn't coming from a warm and fuzzy place. 275 00:20:44,914 --> 00:20:47,125 - What are we circling about? - I can feel energy in the room. 276 00:20:47,292 --> 00:20:49,043 - I can feel it. - We're circling before we land. 277 00:20:49,210 --> 00:20:51,087 - Yeah, that's space for you. - A spaceship. 278 00:20:51,296 --> 00:20:52,338 Yeah. 279 00:21:09,522 --> 00:21:13,568 I met Joe the day that he came in to record with Leon. 280 00:21:13,902 --> 00:21:16,029 I think he was recording "Delta Lady" 281 00:21:16,905 --> 00:21:21,576 and I met him that day and just fell in love with him 282 00:21:21,743 --> 00:21:25,455 because his presence, everything about Joe was so gentle 283 00:21:26,247 --> 00:21:27,665 and sweet. 284 00:21:28,875 --> 00:21:32,003 Leon came on board and said, "I'll put the band together, 285 00:21:32,128 --> 00:21:35,507 I'll do the arrangements. The tour will go forward, 286 00:21:35,632 --> 00:21:38,092 but I have to make all the decisions." 287 00:21:38,635 --> 00:21:41,012 And at that time I think Joe felt like 288 00:21:41,763 --> 00:21:45,475 that was not such a bad thing because he really was exhausted. 289 00:21:46,226 --> 00:21:48,353 So we found ourselves with Leon Russell 290 00:21:48,853 --> 00:21:52,273 and I'd already sort of worshipped him from afar 291 00:21:52,398 --> 00:21:55,360 because of all that gospel stuff. 292 00:22:04,828 --> 00:22:06,996 And I thought, "Bloody hell! 293 00:22:07,163 --> 00:22:09,666 That's how a piano should be played." 294 00:22:11,459 --> 00:22:13,628 Leon said, "I'll come out with you on the condition 295 00:22:13,795 --> 00:22:15,338 I put the rest of the band together." 296 00:22:16,339 --> 00:22:18,091 And in the space of half an hour 297 00:22:18,258 --> 00:22:20,468 he's got about another 40 musicians lined up. 298 00:22:27,308 --> 00:22:31,479 I was just totally overwhelmed by how good they all were. 299 00:22:31,646 --> 00:22:33,106 They were brilliant, all of 'em. 300 00:22:33,606 --> 00:22:36,067 I felt not as good as them. 301 00:22:36,234 --> 00:22:37,694 I felt like, "Oh..." 302 00:22:37,861 --> 00:22:41,489 Before the tour Joe said, "Do we really need four drummers?" 303 00:22:41,656 --> 00:22:44,158 And Leon said, "Well, which three are you gonna fire?" 304 00:22:45,702 --> 00:22:47,161 I knew it was important for the label 305 00:22:47,287 --> 00:22:48,997 to be able to mount something like this 306 00:22:49,122 --> 00:22:51,791 because this was getting the attention of all the big labels. 307 00:22:51,958 --> 00:22:53,751 And I knew if we didn't back it up, 308 00:22:53,877 --> 00:22:57,589 it would look as if we weren't really supporting this artist. 309 00:22:57,922 --> 00:23:00,800 Jerry Moss said this ls something that's different 310 00:23:00,967 --> 00:23:02,969 from anything that's ever happened. 311 00:23:03,553 --> 00:23:05,054 And we've got to film this, 312 00:23:05,221 --> 00:23:07,724 then they start pulling in the film crew. 313 00:23:07,891 --> 00:23:13,730 Suddenly, instead of 25 people, there are 50 people 314 00:23:13,897 --> 00:23:16,774 and it just kept growing up to the minute we got on the plane. 315 00:23:41,925 --> 00:23:45,720 "Mad Dogs & Englishmen", that was a great title for the tour. 316 00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:50,934 You walk in expecting a circus and that's exactly what it was, 317 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:53,561 even complete with a ringmaster with a top hat on. 318 00:23:54,145 --> 00:23:55,146 Leon Russell. 319 00:23:55,313 --> 00:24:00,610 And I had not run into such a bizarre scenario before 320 00:24:00,777 --> 00:24:04,989 in terms of just the number of people involved. 321 00:24:14,624 --> 00:24:15,875 I forget how many of us... 322 00:24:16,042 --> 00:24:18,503 There were like 40 people on stage at times. 323 00:24:19,379 --> 00:24:22,840 But it was the fact when something becomes so communal, 324 00:24:23,007 --> 00:24:25,635 you're all getting into the spirit of things, you know. 325 00:24:40,483 --> 00:24:43,111 I mean, for me, it was really Leon's band. 326 00:24:43,736 --> 00:24:46,364 Even Joe looked a bit lost sometimes on it. 327 00:24:48,074 --> 00:24:50,284 Leon was just simply a superb showman 328 00:24:50,451 --> 00:24:51,869 and a natural leader. 329 00:24:52,412 --> 00:24:55,665 The main musical arranger, producer, director, 330 00:24:55,832 --> 00:24:58,167 choreographer, whatever you might say about him. 331 00:24:58,876 --> 00:25:01,337 The only time that Joe really fit in 332 00:25:01,504 --> 00:25:03,881 was when he walked to the centre of the stage 333 00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:06,759 and commanded that stage 334 00:25:06,926 --> 00:25:11,389 because he had such raw, incredible, God-given talent. 335 00:25:56,059 --> 00:25:58,770 I don't think that he really realised 336 00:25:58,936 --> 00:26:01,898 that everything was gonna be out of his control, 337 00:26:02,857 --> 00:26:04,525 that he simply was the guy 338 00:26:04,692 --> 00:26:07,111 that walked to the centre of the stage and sang the songs. 339 00:26:07,528 --> 00:26:10,823 I think Leon tried to upstage him a lot of the time, 340 00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:12,742 but he didn't. 341 00:26:13,367 --> 00:26:14,368 He never could. 342 00:26:37,058 --> 00:26:39,644 There were always people clamouring to get to Joe 343 00:26:40,269 --> 00:26:42,021 for whatever reasons. 344 00:26:42,772 --> 00:26:43,773 Let's go. 345 00:26:44,941 --> 00:26:46,776 And he just always had that little... 346 00:26:47,276 --> 00:26:50,947 "Heh-heh." That little laugh and that little smile of his. 347 00:26:51,489 --> 00:26:54,575 And his eyes would roll back in his head 348 00:26:54,784 --> 00:26:57,078 and he just didn't know what the heck was going on. 349 00:26:57,578 --> 00:26:59,455 "How do I get out of here? Where's the door?" 350 00:27:08,422 --> 00:27:10,133 There was too many drugs going around. 351 00:27:10,633 --> 00:27:12,802 It was horrible, really. 352 00:27:12,969 --> 00:27:15,888 And it wrecked Joe, you know. 353 00:27:16,472 --> 00:27:18,641 Nobody was looking after him at all. 354 00:27:19,809 --> 00:27:21,686 It was just like, "Oh, have this. 355 00:27:22,478 --> 00:27:23,896 Go on, Joe. Good old Joe." 356 00:27:24,522 --> 00:27:26,774 Nobody seemed to care what happened to him. 357 00:27:26,983 --> 00:27:29,110 It caused me to have an understanding 358 00:27:29,277 --> 00:27:32,613 of what is the record label's responsibility here. 359 00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:35,408 Our responsibility basically was to put out a good record. 360 00:27:36,826 --> 00:27:38,369 But we couldn't manage him 361 00:27:38,536 --> 00:27:41,247 and I remember Bill Anthony saying to Dee 362 00:27:41,372 --> 00:27:44,458 who was upset over something Joe had done on the west coast. 363 00:27:45,376 --> 00:27:46,919 Bill was supposed to be on him. 364 00:27:47,044 --> 00:27:49,672 Bill would say to me, "I can't be with him 24 hours a day. 365 00:27:50,339 --> 00:27:51,340 That's impossible. 366 00:27:51,966 --> 00:27:53,968 How could any manager do that? 367 00:27:54,594 --> 00:27:58,472 I'd have to sleep with the guy. And I'd rather not do that." 368 00:27:58,681 --> 00:28:00,558 It started out all peace and love 369 00:28:00,725 --> 00:28:03,019 and by the end of the tour it was like... 370 00:28:03,728 --> 00:28:06,898 Everybody was at each other's throats. It was terrible. 371 00:28:15,656 --> 00:28:20,244 It was an experience. It was something else. 372 00:28:21,329 --> 00:28:23,122 You know, we all thought we were off to Venus 373 00:28:23,289 --> 00:28:26,751 or heading for outer space, the next stop after that. 374 00:28:29,879 --> 00:28:31,631 And of course it didn't evolve that way. 375 00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,799 I ended up in a heap in Los Angeles, 376 00:28:34,258 --> 00:28:37,303 just very disillusioned with the whole rock business. 377 00:28:45,144 --> 00:28:47,480 It didn't surprise me that there was no money left 378 00:28:47,647 --> 00:28:48,648 at the end of that tour. 379 00:28:49,273 --> 00:28:51,484 When you look at the number of people on the road 380 00:28:51,651 --> 00:28:54,028 with the film crew, the cost of the film crew, 381 00:28:54,195 --> 00:28:55,947 the cost of 50 people, 382 00:28:56,239 --> 00:28:57,698 there was really no way 383 00:28:57,865 --> 00:29:00,034 that anybody could have come out of that with money. 384 00:29:00,243 --> 00:29:03,746 Leon didn't come out with money. None of us did. 385 00:29:06,165 --> 00:29:09,961 And Joe had just literally given all of himself 386 00:29:10,503 --> 00:29:12,463 and there was nothing to show for it. 387 00:29:13,297 --> 00:29:14,632 And when the tour was over, 388 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,093 he actually went to Denny Cordell's house 389 00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:18,970 and was staying there for a while. 390 00:29:19,512 --> 00:29:21,722 And actually sleeping by the front door. 391 00:29:21,973 --> 00:29:24,475 He didn't have a place to live. 392 00:29:25,017 --> 00:29:28,062 He didn't have enough money to even buy a guitar. 393 00:29:36,612 --> 00:29:38,614 I do remember him appearing home. 394 00:29:40,574 --> 00:29:43,411 He just looked like a wild man, really. 395 00:29:43,953 --> 00:29:46,831 My mum and dad were very worried about him. 396 00:29:48,332 --> 00:29:50,501 It was quite shocking to see him, really. 397 00:29:51,043 --> 00:29:53,587 He could hardly talk, you know. 398 00:29:54,005 --> 00:29:57,341 He just threw out the odd little phrase. 399 00:29:57,508 --> 00:30:00,052 It was no complete sentences. 400 00:30:00,636 --> 00:30:01,971 How do you regard Sheffield? 401 00:30:02,138 --> 00:30:05,099 Do you still regard it as home, a kind of place to escape 402 00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:07,143 from all the pressures you're exposed to or what? 403 00:30:08,352 --> 00:30:10,146 Not really, no. 404 00:30:10,271 --> 00:30:12,231 I don't believe you can escape anywhere. 405 00:30:13,316 --> 00:30:14,859 He was in a state. 406 00:30:15,026 --> 00:30:18,654 He was doing heroin, acid, all sorts of stuff. 407 00:30:19,488 --> 00:30:21,032 Yeah, he was not in a good state. 408 00:30:21,824 --> 00:30:23,743 That tour left a scar on him. 409 00:30:24,493 --> 00:30:28,998 Originally, he was articulate and funny and warm 410 00:30:29,165 --> 00:30:33,502 and appreciated the work that everybody did for him. 411 00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:36,047 He was friendly with people at A&M 412 00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:38,924 and people liked him and loved him and wanted to help. 413 00:30:40,092 --> 00:30:44,180 But after that tour, he was a little less agreeable. 414 00:30:44,347 --> 00:30:47,016 He'd rather become a bit of a commodity, really. 415 00:30:48,017 --> 00:30:51,562 He was just expected to be the singer with this band. 416 00:30:59,236 --> 00:31:01,822 There was a kind of innocence about him 417 00:31:01,989 --> 00:31:03,657 which never went away. 418 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,701 He came from Sheffield 419 00:31:05,868 --> 00:31:09,497 and was just thrown into stardom literally. 420 00:31:09,705 --> 00:31:12,166 And I think that he never really adjusted 421 00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:15,503 to the clamour and the noise and the adoration. 422 00:31:16,504 --> 00:31:19,048 I think it's one reason that he took drugs. 423 00:31:19,715 --> 00:31:22,301 Any time anyone would hand him anything, 424 00:31:22,468 --> 00:31:23,719 he would put it in his mouth. 425 00:31:23,886 --> 00:31:25,346 Not to be deprecating, 426 00:31:25,513 --> 00:31:27,473 but Joe would get high with high school kids. 427 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,142 If they were playing a date somewhere, he'd go out the back 428 00:31:30,309 --> 00:31:33,771 and there were fans waiting and he'd sit and talk to them. 429 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,649 He was a man of the people for sure, 430 00:31:36,816 --> 00:31:40,903 but he did have this liking of the stuff, you know. 431 00:31:41,904 --> 00:31:43,531 Walking to the stage, 432 00:31:44,031 --> 00:31:46,659 if somebody handed him a pill, it went right in his mouth. 433 00:31:46,826 --> 00:31:47,827 He never looked at it. 434 00:31:48,536 --> 00:31:51,664 I don't know how he performed and never missed a lyric, 435 00:31:51,831 --> 00:31:53,624 never missed a note. 436 00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:57,586 I said, "Joe, how do you do it?" 437 00:31:57,753 --> 00:31:59,588 He said, "The only difference 438 00:32:00,089 --> 00:32:03,342 in one tab of acid and 11 tabs of acid 439 00:32:03,717 --> 00:32:05,636 is the pain in the back of my neck." 440 00:32:07,346 --> 00:32:09,515 Joe had been in a very high profile 441 00:32:09,682 --> 00:32:11,475 during that tour, before that tour, 442 00:32:11,642 --> 00:32:14,019 then after that tour, he just kind of dropped off the map. 443 00:32:14,186 --> 00:32:16,063 We always wondered, "What happened to Joe? 444 00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:17,273 Where's Joe Cocker?" 445 00:32:17,398 --> 00:32:19,316 And the music business being what it is, 446 00:32:19,442 --> 00:32:22,111 people tend to just write it off to, 447 00:32:22,278 --> 00:32:24,572 "He dropped off the charts and that's the end of that." 448 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,241 What happens now to Joe Cocker? What are you going to do now? 449 00:32:29,326 --> 00:32:31,579 I'm still not that sure. I'm just gonna... 450 00:32:36,208 --> 00:32:37,751 ...rock on in one way or another. 451 00:32:48,971 --> 00:32:50,806 Jim Price had run into Joe 452 00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:53,726 and he wanted to produce the next record with Joe. 453 00:32:53,893 --> 00:32:56,520 I was happy to have any kind of record and I said, "Great." 454 00:32:57,104 --> 00:32:58,189 Here's a song, 455 00:32:58,814 --> 00:33:02,943 a little taster from Jim Webb, Jimmy Webb. 456 00:33:03,486 --> 00:33:06,197 Somewhere out of the blue came this call from Jim Price, 457 00:33:06,322 --> 00:33:08,699 saying, "Joe Cocker wants to do this song." 458 00:33:10,534 --> 00:33:12,495 I never missed a beat because I thought, 459 00:33:12,661 --> 00:33:15,414 "Of course, he's the guy to sing this song." 460 00:34:02,586 --> 00:34:04,338 One night, Jim Price called me and he said, 461 00:34:04,463 --> 00:34:07,424 "I'd like you to come down to the studio and meet Joe Cocker." 462 00:34:07,591 --> 00:34:09,593 And I said, "Wow, I'd love to do that. " 463 00:34:10,344 --> 00:34:13,180 And Jim Price greeted me at the door 464 00:34:13,347 --> 00:34:15,724 and it seemed like the studio was almost deserted. 465 00:34:16,225 --> 00:34:18,185 I walked towards the back and he said, 466 00:34:19,061 --> 00:34:22,273 "Well, yeah, Joe's been very, very excited to meet you." 467 00:34:22,439 --> 00:34:26,569 And he took the control room door and flung it open 468 00:34:26,735 --> 00:34:29,697 and said, "Ladies and gentlemen, meet Joe Cocker." 469 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,241 And there were these two legs sticking out 470 00:34:32,408 --> 00:34:33,617 from under the console 471 00:34:34,326 --> 00:34:38,914 with these size 15, like, brogans, work shoes. 472 00:34:39,873 --> 00:34:43,627 And he was sleeping very soundly under the desk. 473 00:34:44,628 --> 00:34:47,464 However he spent his time, it was not getting sleep 474 00:34:47,631 --> 00:34:49,174 and getting up in the morning 475 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:53,095 to understand that he was going to work, to say the least. 476 00:34:55,055 --> 00:34:56,140 We couldn't help it. 477 00:34:56,307 --> 00:34:58,350 All we wanted to do was make as good a record as we could. 478 00:34:58,601 --> 00:35:01,812 I don't want to rub salt in the wound, but Joe was... 479 00:35:02,438 --> 00:35:04,481 You know, he was wild. 480 00:35:05,774 --> 00:35:09,695 He was showing up at odd hours. 481 00:35:10,988 --> 00:35:12,865 Sometimes he was able to perform. 482 00:35:13,032 --> 00:35:14,700 Sometimes he wasn't able to perform. 483 00:35:15,242 --> 00:35:18,537 And in some crazy way, it's all on the record. 484 00:35:19,455 --> 00:35:21,248 It was like splicing a tape, 485 00:35:21,457 --> 00:35:25,252 one take from another take and how we assembled the record. 486 00:35:25,794 --> 00:35:29,048 And Joe approved it, but that's what it took 487 00:35:29,423 --> 00:35:31,884 to get the best out of him at that time 488 00:35:32,009 --> 00:35:33,636 because he was a bit addled. 489 00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:35,387 He was like a big teddy bear. 490 00:35:35,554 --> 00:35:39,516 He was all frowzy and his hair was going in all directions. 491 00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:46,607 He radiated nothing but goodwill and sweetness to me. 492 00:35:47,858 --> 00:35:49,318 After we did the album, 493 00:35:49,485 --> 00:35:51,320 Jim said, "How about doing a showcase?" 494 00:35:52,321 --> 00:35:55,991 It had been two, almost three years since I'd been on a stage. 495 00:35:56,909 --> 00:35:58,869 It's not so great to remember this one, 496 00:35:59,036 --> 00:36:01,038 but it was at the Roxy, you know, 497 00:36:01,163 --> 00:36:04,833 and this was put together just to present Joe to everybody, 498 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,502 to prove that he was back. 499 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:11,090 And right before that weekend, a friend of Joe's showed up 500 00:36:11,507 --> 00:36:13,133 who we know he used to get drunk with 501 00:36:13,676 --> 00:36:17,930 and we tried to get this guy to go to Palm Springs or something. 502 00:36:18,347 --> 00:36:20,307 We offered him a free weekend in Palm Springs 503 00:36:20,474 --> 00:36:23,644 and he said, "No, I want to be with Joe." 504 00:36:24,478 --> 00:36:28,774 And Joe showed up for that show not prepared to perform. 505 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,403 It was kind of a rough concert 506 00:36:32,986 --> 00:36:35,739 because I remember going out on stage 507 00:36:35,906 --> 00:36:37,825 and he's in the middle of the stage 508 00:36:38,033 --> 00:36:41,245 and he's weaving slightly and I’d go... 509 00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:52,756 And Joe doesn't sing. He doesn't do anything. 510 00:36:52,923 --> 00:36:53,924 He's just kind of like... 511 00:36:54,717 --> 00:36:57,010 I'll tell the whole truth here. 512 00:36:57,177 --> 00:37:00,264 He had a bottle of Napoleon brandy in his hand. 513 00:37:01,515 --> 00:37:02,933 And the place was packed. 514 00:37:03,767 --> 00:37:05,728 And so he didn't sing, so I went... 515 00:37:12,818 --> 00:37:14,236 And he didn't sing again. 516 00:37:15,654 --> 00:37:16,822 The evening ended 517 00:37:17,656 --> 00:37:20,909 with him kind of sitting down in the middle of the stage 518 00:37:21,326 --> 00:37:23,412 and the show was over. 519 00:37:24,955 --> 00:37:28,333 He ended up on the stage in a sort of foetal position. 520 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:31,545 People were crying and feeling for him. 521 00:37:31,712 --> 00:37:34,882 Some very famous people. I don't want to mention names. 522 00:37:35,591 --> 00:37:37,968 But it was a colossal failure, this show. 523 00:37:38,135 --> 00:37:41,889 I asked the curtains to be closed and just forget about it. 524 00:37:42,765 --> 00:37:45,684 Everybody sort of drifted into the night. 525 00:37:45,851 --> 00:37:47,770 And Jim Price came up and announced, 526 00:37:47,936 --> 00:37:50,481 "I don't know what you guys are doing, but I'm going fishing." 527 00:37:50,647 --> 00:37:53,358 I think he did because he disappeared for about two years. 528 00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:56,612 He had really destroyed himself in the eyes of the industry. 529 00:37:57,279 --> 00:38:00,491 With the entire business there, to see him come back. 530 00:38:00,657 --> 00:38:04,745 It was just an unbelievably tragic period for him. 531 00:38:28,101 --> 00:38:31,605 I was on my way to an airport with Billy Joel 532 00:38:32,314 --> 00:38:35,150 and "You Are So Beautiful" came on the radio. 533 00:38:36,068 --> 00:38:39,071 Billy said, "How many times do they count this guy out? 534 00:38:39,238 --> 00:38:40,239 He keeps getting up." 535 00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:43,408 I remember thinking to myself, "He's like a cockroach. 536 00:38:44,076 --> 00:38:45,327 Joe Cocker-oach." 537 00:38:45,494 --> 00:38:48,831 I didn't mean it in a mean way. I meant like you can't kill it. 538 00:38:48,997 --> 00:38:50,332 I didn't know where he was. 539 00:38:50,499 --> 00:38:51,917 I never heard from him for years. 540 00:38:52,084 --> 00:38:55,337 I was driving along in my little car, broke. 541 00:38:55,879 --> 00:38:58,173 And all of a sudden, on the radio comes 542 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:01,718 "You Are So Beautiful... 543 00:39:03,387 --> 00:39:04,847 And I burst into tears. 544 00:39:06,181 --> 00:39:07,683 It was fantastic. 545 00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:10,936 And there was this magic note at the end of the song 546 00:39:11,103 --> 00:39:14,731 where he goes, "You are so beautiful to me!" 547 00:39:14,857 --> 00:39:19,361 He can barely hit the note, but he hit it in a way 548 00:39:19,486 --> 00:39:23,490 that just defined everything he had gone through. 549 00:39:49,182 --> 00:39:50,183 Thank you very much. 550 00:39:50,726 --> 00:39:52,269 Well, it was weird. 551 00:39:52,436 --> 00:39:54,855 I went through this phase. 552 00:39:55,022 --> 00:39:57,316 I was sick on stage just about every night. 553 00:39:57,482 --> 00:39:59,318 - Every date we did. - Yeah. 554 00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:00,694 It was a bit embarrassing. 555 00:40:00,861 --> 00:40:02,362 I had to leave in the middle of the song, 556 00:40:02,529 --> 00:40:05,657 go round the back of the stage, bring it up and back out again. 557 00:40:06,158 --> 00:40:07,367 I felt comfortable enough 558 00:40:07,492 --> 00:40:12,623 to probe about, "Why were you getting sick at your shows? 559 00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:14,791 Why are you getting this press 560 00:40:15,334 --> 00:40:18,587 that is saying that Joe's career is pretty much over, 561 00:40:18,712 --> 00:40:22,049 that he is a pathetic mess, that he is wasted, 562 00:40:22,215 --> 00:40:25,510 that he is ripping off the fans by not doing a show 563 00:40:25,677 --> 00:40:28,347 or not being in condition to do a song properly? 564 00:40:28,764 --> 00:40:30,223 And you have to respond to that 565 00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:34,394 because you are charging people money to see you perform. 566 00:40:34,853 --> 00:40:38,398 Not to see you plastered and unable to work." 567 00:40:39,274 --> 00:40:41,985 He had been painted, broad-brushed with this image 568 00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:45,113 of being this unreliable, drunken, drugged-up, 569 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,823 washed-up performer. 570 00:40:47,574 --> 00:40:50,661 Jerry Moss was saying to get you back on the road at first 571 00:40:50,827 --> 00:40:52,245 was more or less a hard thing to do 572 00:40:52,412 --> 00:40:54,373 after such a long period of being off. 573 00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:57,042 He got these worries that I was turning into an alcoholic. 574 00:40:57,209 --> 00:41:00,879 And he asked me to go into this hospital to get a check-up. 575 00:41:01,046 --> 00:41:01,880 Yeah. 576 00:41:02,047 --> 00:41:04,174 And the doctor wouldn't let me out for three days. 577 00:41:04,341 --> 00:41:05,467 Nothing wrong with me. 578 00:41:06,093 --> 00:41:09,471 He came to my home here in San Francisco 579 00:41:09,638 --> 00:41:11,556 and he showed up by himself, 580 00:41:12,015 --> 00:41:14,267 carrying a six-pack of Heineken beer 581 00:41:14,685 --> 00:41:16,937 and proceeded to sit and drink and talk. 582 00:41:17,354 --> 00:41:20,232 And this was before his engagement 583 00:41:20,399 --> 00:41:21,775 that evening at the night club. 584 00:41:22,067 --> 00:41:23,694 And that just knocked me out. 585 00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:26,238 That of course opened up the question of... 586 00:41:26,947 --> 00:41:31,952 "... you're enjoying quite a few beers before showtime, huh?" 587 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:33,996 "Well, it keeps my whistle wet. 588 00:41:34,162 --> 00:41:36,748 That's basically it. It's just a professional tool." 589 00:41:36,915 --> 00:41:39,418 "All right, fine, Joe, you're the performer, not me." 590 00:41:40,002 --> 00:41:42,170 People are reading a lot into the new album, 591 00:41:42,337 --> 00:41:45,841 saying that you chose these songs, they're confessional 592 00:41:45,966 --> 00:41:48,719 and self-exposing. That kind of thing. 593 00:41:48,844 --> 00:41:50,387 Did you feel that yourself? 594 00:41:50,512 --> 00:41:52,597 If I'd written the songs, I could see it that way. 595 00:41:52,848 --> 00:41:54,725 But the fact that it was other people’s material, 596 00:41:54,891 --> 00:41:56,101 I can't read it like that. 597 00:43:19,142 --> 00:43:21,436 I got a call from Michael Rosenfeld, his attorney, 598 00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:24,940 who said, "Joe really needs help, he needs a manager. 599 00:43:25,065 --> 00:43:27,984 He needs someone who will care about him. Are you interested?" 600 00:43:28,652 --> 00:43:30,695 And I remember the first time I went to his house. 601 00:43:30,862 --> 00:43:32,364 It was in Hollywood. 602 00:43:33,115 --> 00:43:34,116 And... 603 00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:36,493 there were 20 people living in his house. 604 00:43:37,786 --> 00:43:39,121 And he'd be drunk under the piano. 605 00:43:40,122 --> 00:43:44,251 He was completely out of it and paying for everything 606 00:43:44,417 --> 00:43:47,212 and not having really an income. 607 00:43:47,337 --> 00:43:50,340 People were encouraging his drinking and his drugging. 608 00:43:50,507 --> 00:43:54,761 I knew my first mission was to get him out of that. 609 00:43:56,096 --> 00:43:58,682 I’d go to that place, got a bit scary, Nichols Canyon. 610 00:43:58,849 --> 00:44:01,852 You'd end up knowing about nine or ten dealers in no time 611 00:44:02,018 --> 00:44:03,395 with it being so close to Hollywood. 612 00:44:04,604 --> 00:44:06,314 These cats would come round. 613 00:44:06,481 --> 00:44:08,859 "Do you mind if we use your piano?" They'd be rehearsing. 614 00:44:09,234 --> 00:44:10,861 So it got ridiculous, you know. 615 00:44:11,027 --> 00:44:11,862 While I was away, 616 00:44:11,987 --> 00:44:14,030 they learnt how to take the window out and everything. 617 00:44:14,197 --> 00:44:15,532 - Oh, no. - Just go in. 618 00:44:15,699 --> 00:44:17,951 I remember coming down one day 619 00:44:18,118 --> 00:44:20,036 and they were all sat in the living room. 620 00:44:20,203 --> 00:44:21,955 I thought, "Oh, oh, this is getting a bit weird. " 621 00:44:22,122 --> 00:44:24,332 Had he continued, I can't see him 622 00:44:24,499 --> 00:44:26,543 living for much longer at that pace. 623 00:44:27,169 --> 00:44:32,257 Cos the amount of drinking and, I'm sure, drugs was huge. 624 00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:11,254 Good night! 625 00:45:23,516 --> 00:45:25,060 I thought a fresh start would be good 626 00:45:25,227 --> 00:45:28,730 and I talked to Jerry about it and just told him that, really. 627 00:45:30,398 --> 00:45:33,610 He needed to get out from under all this debt and 628 00:45:34,194 --> 00:45:39,824 Jerry agreed and said, "Go. Do it. Good luck." 629 00:45:40,575 --> 00:45:43,286 Well, I said, "You're a brave man, you know. 630 00:45:43,453 --> 00:45:45,789 We've had a lot of ups and downs with Joe. 631 00:45:47,332 --> 00:45:49,292 At his best, he's unbelievable, you know, 632 00:45:49,417 --> 00:45:53,171 but to get him there is a difficult road, you know." 633 00:45:53,296 --> 00:45:57,425 And I felt very strongly about Joe as a talent. 634 00:45:57,592 --> 00:46:01,179 I'd gotten to know him over the years and I believed in him, 635 00:46:01,346 --> 00:46:05,433 but Mike said and I agreed that he needed to go somewhere else. 636 00:46:36,047 --> 00:46:38,466 In thinking about putting a band together for him, 637 00:46:38,633 --> 00:46:39,968 to start working again, 638 00:46:40,135 --> 00:46:43,346 I didn't want to get a bunch of rock'n'rollers 639 00:46:43,847 --> 00:46:46,766 who were out there in the rock'n'roll world. 640 00:46:47,434 --> 00:46:51,062 So I found this band in Boston called American Standard Band. 641 00:46:51,229 --> 00:46:54,024 They were good musicians, solid kids. They were straight. 642 00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:56,234 They didn't drink. They didn't do drugs. Nothing. 643 00:46:56,401 --> 00:46:59,779 I remember clear as day that we were playing at a club 644 00:46:59,946 --> 00:47:01,781 in Worcester called The Last Chance Saloon. 645 00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:05,410 And I'd seen Woodstock a few days before. 646 00:47:06,453 --> 00:47:08,455 And in walks Michael Lang. 647 00:47:09,456 --> 00:47:11,708 And I said, "Yeah, I know that guy." 648 00:47:11,875 --> 00:47:14,919 I brought Joe up there to meet them and that went... 649 00:47:15,086 --> 00:47:17,589 You know, he was a little out of it, but it went OK. 650 00:47:18,173 --> 00:47:21,009 They determined they wanted a younger group 651 00:47:21,843 --> 00:47:23,345 without any baggage, I think. 652 00:47:23,511 --> 00:47:27,182 Again there was always this elephant in the room, 653 00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:31,603 try to not have Joe be around people 654 00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:33,730 that were gonna drag him down. 655 00:47:34,606 --> 00:47:36,232 The plan went awry rather quickly 656 00:47:36,399 --> 00:47:37,692 because they augmented the band 657 00:47:37,859 --> 00:47:39,277 with Bobby Keys and Nicky Hopkins 658 00:47:39,444 --> 00:47:41,279 who were coming right out of The Rolling Stones. 659 00:47:42,155 --> 00:47:46,076 So now Joe had playmates. 660 00:47:46,534 --> 00:47:48,036 Welcome to Australia for a start. 661 00:47:48,161 --> 00:47:49,120 Thank you, Ian. 662 00:47:49,621 --> 00:47:51,998 What does it feel like to be back in a band 663 00:47:52,165 --> 00:47:53,249 like Joe Cocker's Band? 664 00:47:56,836 --> 00:47:58,713 Well, it was a compromise. 665 00:47:59,255 --> 00:48:02,592 I knew that I needed the basis of the band 666 00:48:02,759 --> 00:48:06,846 to be straight, upright, somewhat innocent. 667 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,642 But I also knew that for Joe and for the world at large 668 00:48:10,809 --> 00:48:12,894 to put him in the right frame 669 00:48:13,436 --> 00:48:16,689 that you needed some heavyweight people with him, 670 00:48:17,315 --> 00:48:18,441 that he'd feel comfortable with, 671 00:48:18,566 --> 00:48:21,069 that he wouldn't feel like he was going back to high school. 672 00:48:21,694 --> 00:48:23,321 And to a degree, you know, it worked pretty well. 673 00:48:23,446 --> 00:48:25,698 I mean, you know, if it had been a bunch of 674 00:48:25,824 --> 00:48:29,911 Nickys and Bobbys in the rest of the band, 675 00:48:30,078 --> 00:48:31,913 it would have been a complete disaster. 676 00:48:32,038 --> 00:48:33,498 And I don't think Joe would have been able 677 00:48:33,623 --> 00:48:35,750 to relate to just the band on their own. 678 00:48:36,543 --> 00:48:38,086 You know, he needed guys to hang with. 679 00:48:38,253 --> 00:48:41,172 Hello! Hello, Mabel! 680 00:48:56,271 --> 00:48:57,897 We made a deal 681 00:48:58,022 --> 00:49:00,984 that if he was ever drunk before a show, 682 00:49:01,151 --> 00:49:02,360 I was gonna cancel the show. 683 00:49:03,528 --> 00:49:05,697 We found out rather quickly, 684 00:49:05,864 --> 00:49:07,407 and certainly I found over the years, 685 00:49:07,574 --> 00:49:09,409 the last thing you'd tell Joe 686 00:49:09,993 --> 00:49:11,411 is not to do something. 687 00:49:12,495 --> 00:49:16,833 Joe was a guy that there was no stop 688 00:49:17,333 --> 00:49:19,210 and if he wanted to drink, he was gonna drink. 689 00:49:19,377 --> 00:49:21,629 If he was gonna do drugs, he was gonna do drugs. 690 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:25,175 And if anybody said no to him, he did more. 691 00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:37,687 Joe never copped an attitude, never once was the diva. 692 00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:41,524 He wasn't that way. We were all in it together. 693 00:49:46,988 --> 00:49:48,323 Charming, charming guy. 694 00:49:48,948 --> 00:49:50,200 We used to talk about the fact 695 00:49:50,366 --> 00:49:53,828 that our nine or 12 square feet on stage was sacred. 696 00:49:54,579 --> 00:49:57,749 You can fool with us out there. 697 00:49:58,666 --> 00:49:59,584 Not here. 698 00:50:02,295 --> 00:50:04,589 He was pretty strong and his voice was coming back. 699 00:50:04,714 --> 00:50:06,758 And the shows were pretty good. 700 00:50:06,883 --> 00:50:08,843 Not that the drinking was in hand, 701 00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:10,845 but it was certainly in hand enough, 702 00:50:11,012 --> 00:50:12,597 so that he was a stronger person 703 00:50:12,764 --> 00:50:14,807 and could deliver a better show. 704 00:50:15,642 --> 00:50:18,811 I had taped the shows and I was able to make a record deal 705 00:50:18,978 --> 00:50:20,605 based on those tapes. 706 00:51:18,705 --> 00:51:21,541 When I first moved to Santa Barbara, 707 00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:24,335 I rented a house from Jane Fonda. 708 00:51:25,044 --> 00:51:28,506 He didn't have all that great a reputation at the time! 709 00:51:29,090 --> 00:51:31,759 In fact, there was a lawsuit against him 710 00:51:31,926 --> 00:51:34,345 for a house that he had been staying in in Malibu 711 00:51:34,512 --> 00:51:36,723 that got trashed, totally trashed. 712 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,809 But you know, I was a fan of Joe's and 713 00:51:40,393 --> 00:51:43,938 I just really wanted to meet him and so I really pushed for it 714 00:51:44,105 --> 00:51:49,277 and I was the one speaking with his management at the time 715 00:51:49,444 --> 00:51:54,616 and I said, "Well, maybe if he put up a really large 716 00:51:54,907 --> 00:51:57,577 security deposit, we could work something out." 717 00:51:58,703 --> 00:52:00,121 He was just very dear. 718 00:52:00,288 --> 00:52:05,001 He was really, really, very sweet, a really nice man, 719 00:52:05,168 --> 00:52:08,254 and over the course of the next six months or so 720 00:52:08,421 --> 00:52:11,883 we just became better friends and started going out to dinner, 721 00:52:12,008 --> 00:52:13,843 and yeah, dating a little bit, 722 00:52:13,968 --> 00:52:16,137 but then he'd be off and he'd be gone 723 00:52:16,304 --> 00:52:20,516 for six, eight, ten weeks while he was on the road. 724 00:52:21,684 --> 00:52:24,646 Then he'd come back and we'd start to see each other again. 725 00:52:24,771 --> 00:52:27,357 So it went on like that for quite a few years, actually. 726 00:52:27,523 --> 00:52:29,651 The first time we ever met her, 727 00:52:29,817 --> 00:52:36,658 I was just totally surprised at the sort of person she was. 728 00:52:36,824 --> 00:52:41,037 You know, so organised and together, 729 00:52:41,204 --> 00:52:44,666 compared to a lot of the people he'd been with. 730 00:52:45,625 --> 00:52:51,214 I'd never quite seen Joe ever having that sort of partner, 731 00:52:51,381 --> 00:52:52,757 but it was what he needed. 732 00:52:53,925 --> 00:52:56,302 Joe had a terrible habit 733 00:52:56,469 --> 00:53:00,181 and it was partly, I guess, the English upbringing, 734 00:53:00,306 --> 00:53:03,351 but he would always introduce me as his "old lady". 735 00:53:03,768 --> 00:53:07,772 And I just hated that, as you can imagine. 736 00:53:08,356 --> 00:53:09,857 And I said, "You know, 737 00:53:10,858 --> 00:53:14,862 call me your partner, call me your significant." 738 00:53:15,029 --> 00:53:18,533 Anything! And so it ended up he started doing it 739 00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,828 just more as a joke to make me mad than anything else, 740 00:53:21,994 --> 00:53:24,122 but I'll never forget when he did ask me to marry him. 741 00:53:24,247 --> 00:53:27,542 We were down in Australia and he goes, "I guess 742 00:53:27,709 --> 00:53:30,878 I'll have to marry you if I can't call you my old lady." 743 00:53:31,045 --> 00:53:33,715 So, he says, "Then I can call you my wife." 744 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,134 And that was really sweet. 745 00:53:49,897 --> 00:53:53,484 After a number of years, he was back as a person 746 00:53:53,651 --> 00:53:56,195 and getting his confidence back 747 00:53:56,404 --> 00:54:00,074 and it was like watching someone come back to life, frankly, 748 00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:03,119 someone who you kind of knew was heading the other way. 749 00:54:04,245 --> 00:54:06,664 When you go on tour, is it only hard work? 750 00:54:06,789 --> 00:54:07,749 - No, no... - Or is it fun? 751 00:54:07,874 --> 00:54:09,333 We do have a lot of fun. That's the danger. 752 00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:11,127 You can have too much fun. 753 00:54:24,849 --> 00:54:25,892 A lot of musicians... 754 00:54:26,017 --> 00:54:28,644 We look at singers like, "They're just yelling in key." 755 00:54:28,811 --> 00:54:32,148 Joe had an instrument in there and we appreciated it, 756 00:54:32,273 --> 00:54:34,150 we understood it, we got it. 757 00:54:34,692 --> 00:54:36,986 Wow, nobody sounds like that. 758 00:54:37,111 --> 00:54:40,281 For me, it was just pure soul, whatever that means, you know. 759 00:54:40,448 --> 00:54:43,701 Pure heart. I don't think he could sing any other way. 760 00:54:43,868 --> 00:54:46,829 Somebody described him as "the original man", 761 00:54:46,996 --> 00:54:48,915 which was the man... 762 00:54:49,081 --> 00:54:51,292 This is how the average bloke 763 00:54:51,417 --> 00:54:54,921 would like to sound after he'd had three or four pints, yes. 764 00:54:55,129 --> 00:54:59,342 To me, he was like a jazz singer, really. 765 00:54:59,509 --> 00:55:01,928 He literally got inside 766 00:55:03,054 --> 00:55:05,097 the piece of music he was performing 767 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,475 and it sort of took him over. 768 00:55:07,642 --> 00:55:11,896 The actual voice just has something in it. 769 00:55:12,063 --> 00:55:14,816 I mean, if it wasn't indefinable, 770 00:55:14,982 --> 00:55:17,360 then everybody else would be able to do it, I suppose. 771 00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:24,158 Let's go back to number 25 with a song 772 00:55:24,325 --> 00:55:25,701 which is destined to be number one, 773 00:55:25,827 --> 00:55:27,078 being sung live by a gentleman 774 00:55:27,203 --> 00:55:29,163 who hasn't been on "Top of the Pops" for 15 years. 775 00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:31,666 Welcome back to Joe Cocker with Jennifer Warnes. 776 00:55:31,916 --> 00:55:34,919 I got a call about a film called 'An Officer And A Gentleman". 777 00:55:35,086 --> 00:55:37,755 And they wanted Joe to do a title song. 778 00:55:37,922 --> 00:55:40,925 We were on tour and Joe wasn't that excited about 779 00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:42,552 stopping the tour to go and record. 780 00:55:42,718 --> 00:55:45,555 Actually, he hated it when he was asked to do it. 781 00:55:45,721 --> 00:55:48,850 He thought at the time, he wondered whether it was right. 782 00:55:49,016 --> 00:55:50,309 Finally they found a space and got him 783 00:55:50,434 --> 00:55:51,811 slipped him right into the studio one day 784 00:55:51,936 --> 00:55:54,689 and just, you know, "Joe, we're here, we're going." 785 00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:23,843 The first time I heard it, 786 00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:26,846 he sort of pulled it out of a bag and put it on. 787 00:56:27,471 --> 00:56:30,516 It was immediately clear to me that it was a hit. 788 00:56:31,183 --> 00:56:35,021 And he just sort of nodded. I think he knew it was as well. 789 00:56:54,206 --> 00:56:55,625 One thing we can do right here, 790 00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:58,294 we're going to solo up Joe 791 00:56:58,461 --> 00:57:00,546 and hear how he started the song. 792 00:57:06,427 --> 00:57:07,345 This is the ad lib. 793 00:57:11,974 --> 00:57:14,268 You hear a little squeaking in his voice. Hear that. 794 00:57:22,693 --> 00:57:26,989 We'd always sort of been looking for a Ray song to do. 795 00:57:27,156 --> 00:57:30,284 I think it was Charlie and I were on an airplane going to LA 796 00:57:30,451 --> 00:57:32,453 when it struck me, "Unchain My Heart... 797 00:57:32,578 --> 00:57:33,371 Perfect for him. 798 00:57:33,496 --> 00:57:35,081 I have to give Michael Lang credit. 799 00:57:35,581 --> 00:57:36,916 I would like to take credit, 800 00:57:37,375 --> 00:57:39,377 you know, because we are in show business 801 00:57:39,543 --> 00:57:41,587 and you're supposed to take the credit whenever you can. 802 00:57:56,894 --> 00:57:59,855 Well, Ray's been called a genius. 803 00:58:00,564 --> 00:58:02,358 That word's been slung around a lot. 804 00:58:02,650 --> 00:58:04,235 I mean, you know, he's a god to me, 805 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,863 but, I mean, a genius he certainly is. 806 00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:11,534 Always hitting at me, "Don't you think he sounds like you?" 807 00:58:11,701 --> 00:58:12,910 And I say, "Well, if he does, 808 00:58:13,035 --> 00:58:14,954 he's the best replica in the whole world." 809 00:58:15,121 --> 00:58:17,331 - And I mean that. - God bless you for it. 810 00:58:18,165 --> 00:58:21,127 You know, they were definitely soul brothers. 811 00:58:22,378 --> 00:58:25,256 Ray said, "This kid's been sleeping with my albums." 812 00:58:25,381 --> 00:58:26,882 It was true! He had been. 813 00:58:27,008 --> 00:58:29,969 You know, he would always go back to Ray Charles, 814 00:58:30,094 --> 00:58:33,305 he'd go back to Aretha, back to Donny Hathaway. 815 00:58:33,806 --> 00:58:35,558 You know and study those guys. 816 00:58:36,183 --> 00:58:38,978 He loved the blues and that's all he would listen to. 817 00:58:39,645 --> 00:58:43,482 He had a big voice and he had instincts for the blues 818 00:58:43,649 --> 00:58:45,651 that were impeccable. 819 00:59:11,552 --> 00:59:13,012 - Yeah, baby. - He's always got... 820 00:59:13,137 --> 00:59:15,264 I always wanted to sing like Ray Charles. 821 00:59:15,431 --> 00:59:18,142 That was my guy. I thought he had the best voice. 822 00:59:18,267 --> 00:59:20,061 A lot of other people thought the same thing, 823 00:59:20,186 --> 00:59:21,729 they thought Ray Charles was the best singer. 824 00:59:21,896 --> 00:59:24,148 And we were all trying to sound like Ray Charles. 825 00:59:24,648 --> 00:59:27,777 The only guy who even got close was Joe Cocker. 826 00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:35,743 "Some fella." 827 00:59:41,207 --> 00:59:44,960 Watching Joe in the studio was like watching a concert. 828 00:59:45,544 --> 00:59:48,756 It was the same movement, just like he was on stage. 829 00:59:48,923 --> 00:59:52,802 And he would just sing with every ounce 830 00:59:52,968 --> 00:59:56,347 of sweat and blood and whatever else he had. 831 01:00:40,266 --> 01:00:41,350 Joe could do an album 832 01:00:41,475 --> 01:00:44,645 of all songs that have been done by other people 833 01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:47,231 and it could be a great album 834 01:00:47,815 --> 01:00:52,278 because when he sings a song and the song's arranged for him, 835 01:00:52,486 --> 01:00:57,867 it takes a different turn. It takes on a life of its own. 836 01:00:58,033 --> 01:01:03,164 It's an honour when someone of that quality does your stuff. 837 01:01:04,248 --> 01:01:06,250 There aren't many people of that quality, really. 838 01:01:06,917 --> 01:01:10,212 No, really. That have some emotional impact every time out. 839 01:01:10,379 --> 01:01:12,298 There are very few singers 840 01:01:12,423 --> 01:01:15,843 who have made it by covering other people's material 841 01:01:16,177 --> 01:01:17,928 and therefore that has to take 842 01:01:18,053 --> 01:01:20,347 a particularly extraordinary talent, really. 843 01:01:21,223 --> 01:01:23,767 And Joe certainly is at the forefront of that. 844 01:01:42,995 --> 01:01:46,749 I started thinking of a 20th anniversary for Woodstock 845 01:01:46,916 --> 01:01:49,793 and what I'd sort of come up with was 846 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,589 this idea of doing a show at the Berlin Wall. 847 01:01:53,756 --> 01:01:55,466 Actually, over the Berlin Wall. 848 01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:58,510 There had been concerts at the Reichstagsgelände, 849 01:01:58,677 --> 01:02:02,097 which was a big building just on the western side of the wall. 850 01:02:02,264 --> 01:02:04,391 Michael Jackson, a lot of big acts were playing it, 851 01:02:04,558 --> 01:02:09,730 but kids on the eastern side of the wall were close to rioting, 852 01:02:09,897 --> 01:02:11,649 you know, just to hear the music. 853 01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:17,571 The army built the site in East Berlin. 854 01:02:18,572 --> 01:02:21,408 An hour before the show, there was nobody in the audience. 855 01:02:21,533 --> 01:02:23,994 An hour later, a couple of hundred thousand kids there. 856 01:03:12,626 --> 01:03:14,128 THANK YOU, JOE! 857 01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:24,054 GREETINGS, JOE COCKER 858 01:03:24,179 --> 01:03:27,850 After that, Joe was well-established in Germany 859 01:03:28,017 --> 01:03:29,601 and they did embrace him. 860 01:03:29,977 --> 01:03:33,897 And it was the cornerstone of Joe's European success. 861 01:03:42,823 --> 01:03:45,034 Joe, you know, he gave everything 862 01:03:45,743 --> 01:03:48,078 for that two hours on stage. 863 01:03:48,245 --> 01:03:52,333 It didn't matter if there was ten people or there was 16,000. 864 01:03:52,583 --> 01:03:55,586 Joe would just come alive on the stage. 865 01:03:55,711 --> 01:03:58,505 In fact, he would go into a trance on the stage. 866 01:03:59,006 --> 01:04:01,508 Once he was on stage, he was another person. 867 01:04:13,020 --> 01:04:14,688 I'd be at the side of the stage 868 01:04:14,855 --> 01:04:18,692 and Joe would come off twice during the show. 869 01:04:18,859 --> 01:04:22,696 And it was my chance to say, "Joe, how's the lights? 870 01:04:22,821 --> 01:04:24,365 The mics? Everything good? 871 01:04:24,490 --> 01:04:26,742 Is the bass too loud? The drummer..." 872 01:04:26,867 --> 01:04:30,788 We would go through that. And Joe would be in a trance. 873 01:04:31,038 --> 01:04:33,082 He would just turn around and go right back out there 874 01:04:33,207 --> 01:04:34,875 towel himself off and go back out. 875 01:04:36,251 --> 01:04:40,547 It was a big awakening to me of what this job entailed 876 01:04:40,714 --> 01:04:44,176 because it entailed looking after Joe and I had 877 01:04:44,426 --> 01:04:48,180 some idea of what that may have been, 878 01:04:48,305 --> 01:04:52,476 but it definitely was an eye-opener for me. 879 01:04:53,227 --> 01:04:55,145 It was up to me to keep Joe in line, 880 01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:58,899 to know where he was, to make sure he was eating, 881 01:04:59,066 --> 01:05:00,401 just everything about him. 882 01:05:01,110 --> 01:05:03,237 You know, as Pam would say, 883 01:05:03,695 --> 01:05:05,239 "His other wife." 884 01:05:06,448 --> 01:05:09,243 Cos when we were gone, she'd say, "You've got him now, Ray." 885 01:05:09,827 --> 01:05:12,913 You know those nights when you can't face the world? 886 01:05:15,958 --> 01:05:17,543 And someone wakes you up and says, 887 01:05:17,668 --> 01:05:19,545 "Joe, you're on stage in five minutes." 888 01:05:21,755 --> 01:05:23,590 Thank God I got some friends. 889 01:05:43,152 --> 01:05:46,363 We were somewhere in Europe and... 890 01:05:46,655 --> 01:05:49,032 I think Michael added some extra dates in, 891 01:05:49,158 --> 01:05:51,285 moved things around and Joe didn't want to do it. 892 01:05:51,994 --> 01:05:54,663 And he... he'd really had enough. 893 01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:57,624 And he just decided to make a move after that tour was done 894 01:05:57,791 --> 01:06:00,377 and change management. 895 01:06:01,128 --> 01:06:01,962 I got a letter. 896 01:06:03,547 --> 01:06:04,673 From a lawyer. 897 01:06:06,758 --> 01:06:07,634 That was it. 898 01:06:08,385 --> 01:06:10,554 I would have expected him to have been the one 899 01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:12,598 to pick up the phone and say something, 900 01:06:12,723 --> 01:06:15,976 but once it was done I think he just went on. 901 01:06:16,977 --> 01:06:18,520 I have to give Michael Lang credit 902 01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:21,690 because he was responsible 903 01:06:21,815 --> 01:06:25,027 for Joe being alive at that time. 904 01:06:25,194 --> 01:06:28,322 I mean, Michael was the man. 905 01:06:28,447 --> 01:06:32,993 I loved him as an artist and as a person. 906 01:06:34,661 --> 01:06:36,705 It certainly went beyond business, I'd say. 907 01:06:36,872 --> 01:06:39,500 You don't go through the things that we went through 908 01:06:40,459 --> 01:06:42,794 for all those years just as a business. 909 01:06:44,922 --> 01:06:47,466 But I have no regrets. 910 01:06:47,591 --> 01:06:51,220 When he left Michael Lang, he never talked to Michael again. 911 01:06:52,095 --> 01:06:55,015 And I saw that with band members 912 01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:59,019 and with other people that were close to Joe. 913 01:06:59,186 --> 01:07:02,564 Once he closed the door, that was it. 914 01:07:03,023 --> 01:07:07,611 He could be very emotional about certain things 915 01:07:07,736 --> 01:07:10,030 and other times he could be very cold about things. 916 01:07:11,323 --> 01:07:12,783 Especially relationships. 917 01:07:13,033 --> 01:07:15,536 So it was hard to really know him. 918 01:07:16,078 --> 01:07:18,288 To really know him. Know his heart. 919 01:07:43,063 --> 01:07:44,731 So here we are with Roger 920 01:07:45,399 --> 01:07:48,735 and Roger had been with Tina Turner now 921 01:07:49,152 --> 01:07:52,197 and had brought her from almost obscurity 922 01:07:52,322 --> 01:07:55,075 back into view of the world, basically, 923 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,827 as an international artist. 924 01:07:56,994 --> 01:07:59,288 So we followed in that track. 925 01:08:16,346 --> 01:08:19,266 You know, we cleaned... I say cleaned Joe up. 926 01:08:19,433 --> 01:08:22,686 We dressed him now with more flashy clothes 927 01:08:22,894 --> 01:08:24,605 and we had more production. 928 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,941 And it brought everything up another level, 929 01:08:28,066 --> 01:08:31,278 which supported Joe into finding his way 930 01:08:31,445 --> 01:08:33,697 to being this international artist. 931 01:08:33,947 --> 01:08:34,656 TODAY 932 01:08:48,462 --> 01:08:50,881 We, literally, were on the road, 933 01:08:51,006 --> 01:08:54,635 doing 170 shows maybe a year. 934 01:08:56,094 --> 01:08:57,471 Really pumping it. 935 01:09:20,327 --> 01:09:24,164 The '90s were when he was just touring almost non-stop. 936 01:09:24,706 --> 01:09:27,167 And we had moved here to Colorado 937 01:09:27,334 --> 01:09:29,711 by that time in '94. 938 01:09:31,296 --> 01:09:35,842 But it was never more than, I'd say, four or five weeks 939 01:09:36,343 --> 01:09:38,512 that either he didn't get to come home 940 01:09:38,679 --> 01:09:40,931 or I went to visit him. 941 01:09:41,473 --> 01:09:44,017 But that's how it was our entire marriage, 942 01:09:44,142 --> 01:09:47,646 our entire 38 years that we were together. 943 01:09:48,689 --> 01:09:51,358 Joe just was really crazy about it. 944 01:09:51,525 --> 01:09:54,236 He just loved it here in Colorado. 945 01:09:54,486 --> 01:09:55,862 And loved the hiking. 946 01:09:56,029 --> 01:09:57,864 And we got our first dog, 947 01:09:58,031 --> 01:10:01,034 which was very important for Joe. 948 01:10:01,535 --> 01:10:05,372 He got into gardening. That became such a passion! 949 01:10:06,206 --> 01:10:09,459 It was the Isolation, it was the fact that he could 950 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,171 walk out this door and walk into those mountains. 951 01:10:13,714 --> 01:10:16,675 He could walk for days and never see another soul. 952 01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:18,593 And when he did see people, 953 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,097 he was just a neighbour, he was just Joe. 954 01:10:22,514 --> 01:10:24,307 He could just totally forget 955 01:10:24,474 --> 01:10:28,353 that he was even involved in the music business when he was here. 956 01:10:50,375 --> 01:10:52,085 Joe was still drinking. 957 01:10:52,669 --> 01:10:54,421 He was drinking a lot. 958 01:10:55,255 --> 01:10:56,256 And... 959 01:10:56,423 --> 01:10:59,593 It was really difficult for everybody involved 960 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:04,014 because the shows were good, 961 01:11:04,723 --> 01:11:06,099 and some weren't so good. 962 01:11:08,602 --> 01:11:11,563 He would be drinking on stage while performing and 963 01:11:11,688 --> 01:11:15,025 he would go through seven, eight beers at the time on stage. 964 01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:18,987 I remember guys running out as soon as Joe's cup was empty. 965 01:11:19,821 --> 01:11:23,241 One of the roadies would run out to fill the cup with beer again. 966 01:11:23,992 --> 01:11:27,204 And between the lights, the stress, the heat, 967 01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:29,206 Joe would get sick all the time. 968 01:11:29,414 --> 01:11:31,458 He'd suddenly disappear in the middle of a song 969 01:11:31,583 --> 01:11:32,959 and run round the back 970 01:11:33,126 --> 01:11:37,631 and some guy had a bucket for him, ready to throw up in. 971 01:11:37,839 --> 01:11:42,969 And we would gauge the show by how many buckets, 972 01:11:43,136 --> 01:11:44,805 meaning how many times did Joe throw up 973 01:11:44,971 --> 01:11:46,556 and the crew had to clean it up. 974 01:11:46,765 --> 01:11:49,184 Then after the show, we'd go out to eat 975 01:11:49,309 --> 01:11:50,936 and he'd start the drinking. 976 01:11:51,061 --> 01:11:53,814 I'd be in a restaurant with him 977 01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:57,150 and he'd down a bottle before the food came. 978 01:11:57,818 --> 01:12:01,321 Then he'd get another bottle of Bacardi and start on that. 979 01:12:02,322 --> 01:12:06,076 There were times that we'd have to keep an eye on him, 980 01:12:06,743 --> 01:12:07,828 every minute. 981 01:12:09,329 --> 01:12:11,665 I would have to have a key to his room. 982 01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:14,918 It was frightening at times. 983 01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:16,920 You know, I never knew 984 01:12:17,087 --> 01:12:19,714 what I was going to find when I walked in that room. 985 01:12:20,465 --> 01:12:22,884 And sometimes it was really bad. 986 01:12:23,093 --> 01:12:27,222 It was rare when Joe drank to excess here, 987 01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:28,515 when he was home. 988 01:12:29,015 --> 01:12:30,851 He knew I didn't like it for one thing 989 01:12:31,017 --> 01:12:32,602 and, you know, the pressure was off 990 01:12:33,353 --> 01:12:36,356 But when he started gearing up for another tour 991 01:12:36,857 --> 01:12:38,733 or working on a new album 992 01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:40,861 and the pressure would start to build, 993 01:12:41,444 --> 01:12:43,780 then he would tend to drink more. 994 01:12:46,283 --> 01:12:48,535 He had the demons, you know. 995 01:12:48,660 --> 01:12:53,123 Joe had the demons that would come out every now and then. 996 01:12:53,832 --> 01:12:58,128 And he would get dark and wouldn't come out of his room 997 01:12:58,295 --> 01:13:02,048 or would prefer to just be by himself and just walk 998 01:13:02,215 --> 01:13:04,384 or just wander, I should say. 999 01:13:05,218 --> 01:13:10,348 You know, we always thought maybe you should go to AA, 1000 01:13:10,515 --> 01:13:12,058 see a psychiatrist. 1001 01:13:12,851 --> 01:13:14,561 You know, some help. 1002 01:13:15,061 --> 01:13:18,273 But Joe was totally against any of that. 1003 01:13:18,398 --> 01:13:21,776 He says, "No, I can control it myself I can do it." 1004 01:13:21,943 --> 01:13:24,946 We'd come back here and he'd be fine 1005 01:13:25,071 --> 01:13:27,032 and then it was just like, well, 1006 01:13:27,198 --> 01:13:30,285 he's just a social drinker when he's here. 1007 01:13:30,452 --> 01:13:33,788 He never really takes it to extremes. 1008 01:13:35,123 --> 01:13:40,211 So then you'd forget about it, until the next situation. 1009 01:13:55,894 --> 01:13:59,356 We had a party here. It was the first of March. 1010 01:13:59,522 --> 01:14:02,108 And we were getting ready to go on tour 1011 01:14:02,275 --> 01:14:08,073 and, for some reason, Joe started drinking that afternoon. 1012 01:14:08,323 --> 01:14:10,450 And was drinking and drinking and drinking. 1013 01:14:10,575 --> 01:14:13,578 By the time the guests arrived around six o'clock, 1014 01:14:13,703 --> 01:14:16,957 he was already pretty well drunk. 1015 01:14:17,624 --> 01:14:19,501 Before we even sat down for dinner, 1016 01:14:20,418 --> 01:14:22,629 I had to help him upstairs to bed. 1017 01:14:22,837 --> 01:14:25,382 Pam sort of gave Joe an ultimatum. 1018 01:14:25,548 --> 01:14:28,593 You know, "Either you shape up or it's over." 1019 01:14:29,302 --> 01:14:31,888 And Joe shaped up. 1020 01:14:32,055 --> 01:14:34,975 He called me and said, "I'm gonna quit drinking this week, 1021 01:14:35,141 --> 01:14:40,355 so don't schedule anything. I wanna try this." 1022 01:14:40,563 --> 01:14:45,193 I spent about a year in disbelief, 1023 01:14:45,318 --> 01:14:48,989 thinking this is not going to last. 1024 01:14:49,739 --> 01:14:52,575 And then I think I spent the second year 1025 01:14:53,618 --> 01:14:55,286 being really mad at him. 1026 01:14:56,121 --> 01:14:58,164 Not mad that he wasn't drinking, 1027 01:14:58,331 --> 01:15:01,001 but mad that he could do it so easily. 1028 01:15:01,167 --> 01:15:05,088 Why hadn't that happened 15 years before? 1029 01:15:05,672 --> 01:15:08,842 And then I finally realised, "No, he's serious. 1030 01:15:09,009 --> 01:15:11,678 This is it. This is the new Joe. This is our new life. 1031 01:15:11,845 --> 01:15:15,932 This is our new relationship. " And I just was so thankful. 1032 01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:20,895 Joe realised, after he had stopped drinking for a while, 1033 01:15:21,062 --> 01:15:24,107 and Roger was really instrumental in showing Joe, 1034 01:15:24,274 --> 01:15:26,151 "Joe, if you pull this together, 1035 01:15:26,276 --> 01:15:29,446 you can be a major international artist." 1036 01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:32,282 And he also realised, 1037 01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:34,826 that, "I can sing 'Little Help' every night." 1038 01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:38,246 That was always an indicator, "A Little Help", 1039 01:15:38,413 --> 01:15:40,206 because of the scream at the end. 1040 01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:44,502 I think that was a factor in Joe's sobriety. 1041 01:15:45,128 --> 01:15:48,381 When Joe realised he couldn't hit the high note, 1042 01:15:48,548 --> 01:15:51,551 the scream, that he had to do something. 1043 01:16:01,227 --> 01:16:04,064 What they wanted Joe to perform was 'A Little Help", 1044 01:16:04,230 --> 01:16:09,069 which Joe would never perform outside of a stage performance, 1045 01:16:09,235 --> 01:16:12,906 meaning it took Joe 19 songs to warm up 1046 01:16:13,073 --> 01:16:16,034 in order to hit the scream at the end of it. 1047 01:16:22,457 --> 01:16:26,127 What changed Joe's mind was the Queen! As simple as that. 1048 01:16:26,294 --> 01:16:28,713 "It's my Queen. I'm gonna do it." 1049 01:16:43,269 --> 01:16:47,482 Joe's adrenaline was working and I think that did it for him. 1050 01:16:50,235 --> 01:16:53,613 Joe was so proud to be a part of it. 1051 01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:55,782 With all his peers. 1052 01:16:55,949 --> 01:17:01,412 Between Clapton, McCartney, Paul, Sir Paul and Phil Collins. 1053 01:17:02,122 --> 01:17:03,957 Just everybody was there. 1054 01:17:04,124 --> 01:17:05,583 You know, Joe was very pleased 1055 01:17:05,708 --> 01:17:08,753 and felt like he still had his heart in England. 1056 01:17:40,285 --> 01:17:42,162 Here in Colorado, our neighbours 1057 01:17:42,328 --> 01:17:44,289 and people that became our friends 1058 01:17:44,414 --> 01:17:45,999 certainly knew his history, 1059 01:17:46,166 --> 01:17:49,002 but they weren't obsessed by it. 1060 01:17:49,544 --> 01:17:52,088 It didn't matter to them at all. 1061 01:17:52,255 --> 01:17:54,632 It mattered that we were good neighbours, 1062 01:17:54,757 --> 01:17:56,551 that we were part of the community 1063 01:17:57,177 --> 01:17:58,428 and Joe really liked that. 1064 01:17:58,595 --> 01:18:00,263 He liked being part of a community. 1065 01:18:00,555 --> 01:18:03,099 He liked that his friends were the local plumber 1066 01:18:03,224 --> 01:18:05,894 and the electrician and the real estate agent 1067 01:18:06,019 --> 01:18:08,938 and the little country lawyer. 1068 01:18:09,063 --> 01:18:10,481 He just loved those guys. 1069 01:18:10,607 --> 01:18:14,194 And it made Joe a better person to have that kind of support. 1070 01:18:14,861 --> 01:18:19,324 He loved the air, he loved the blues in the sky. 1071 01:18:19,532 --> 01:18:22,994 He'd just go, "Look at that sky. It's just so incredible." 1072 01:18:23,786 --> 01:18:27,457 So I think it made him happy. It really made him happy. 1073 01:18:27,665 --> 01:18:29,667 He was content with himself and he said, 1074 01:18:29,834 --> 01:18:32,045 "I think I've become a mountain man." 1075 01:18:35,256 --> 01:18:37,300 That was when he was most at peace, 1076 01:18:37,425 --> 01:18:39,302 walking the trails with his dogs. 1077 01:18:54,901 --> 01:18:58,404 He was on the road and he'd been playing for seven nights. 1078 01:18:58,988 --> 01:19:02,075 And he came in on the eighth day. 1079 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:03,284 It's kind of biblical! 1080 01:19:04,452 --> 01:19:06,329 He came in on the eighth day 1081 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,540 and recorded "The Moon's A Harsh Mistress" with us. 1082 01:19:38,778 --> 01:19:41,990 His voice reminded me of 1083 01:19:42,198 --> 01:19:44,409 a Civil War battle flag. 1084 01:19:44,951 --> 01:19:48,121 You know, it's still intact, it's completely intact, 1085 01:19:48,413 --> 01:19:53,293 but it's been shot at and it's got some torn bits 1086 01:19:53,459 --> 01:19:55,795 at the edges that are sort of streaming off. 1087 01:19:57,338 --> 01:20:00,258 It was like a voice that had been through a war. 1088 01:20:00,925 --> 01:20:03,261 This voice has fought the good fight. 1089 01:20:04,053 --> 01:20:06,055 This voice has never given up 1090 01:20:06,222 --> 01:20:08,474 and it's not giving up today either, you know. 1091 01:20:08,975 --> 01:20:11,769 I kept thanking him over and over for coming in. 1092 01:20:11,894 --> 01:20:13,730 I kept hugging him and hugging him. 1093 01:20:14,188 --> 01:20:16,149 You know, I didn't want to let him go. 1094 01:21:41,901 --> 01:21:45,613 We did a wonderful show in Cologne. 1095 01:21:46,364 --> 01:21:48,533 And it just was spectacular. 1096 01:21:48,658 --> 01:21:51,285 Everything went off exactly as we wanted it. 1097 01:21:51,411 --> 01:21:53,871 It looked fabulous, Joe sang well. 1098 01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:57,959 16,000-plus there that night. 1099 01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:16,310 But as this happened, Joe was starting 1100 01:22:16,436 --> 01:22:19,981 to feel pains in his sides. 1101 01:22:21,357 --> 01:22:25,111 He would come off the stage. "Ray, my sides are killing me. 1102 01:22:25,236 --> 01:22:26,529 I can't catch my breath." 1103 01:22:28,197 --> 01:22:30,783 He made it through the tour. 1104 01:22:31,492 --> 01:22:33,911 As heroic as he can be. 1105 01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,414 And bull-headed. He just fought it. 1106 01:22:36,873 --> 01:22:39,709 Good night, Germany! 1107 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,838 We love you! Keep on rocking! 1108 01:22:44,505 --> 01:22:45,840 Everywhere! 1109 01:23:10,823 --> 01:23:14,994 He came home on September 8th 1110 01:23:16,621 --> 01:23:18,331 He just looked awful. 1111 01:23:20,583 --> 01:23:22,293 And he was completely exhausted. 1112 01:23:22,418 --> 01:23:25,046 I'd never seen Joe that exhausted. 1113 01:23:25,171 --> 01:23:29,675 This was a Sunday. Pam takes Joe in on Tuesday. 1114 01:23:30,051 --> 01:23:33,971 By Friday, he's diagnosed with Stage Four 1115 01:23:34,096 --> 01:23:36,182 small cell lung cancer. 1116 01:23:37,141 --> 01:23:38,935 I don't know that I would have... 1117 01:23:41,646 --> 01:23:44,982 ...been able to be as strong as he was. 1118 01:23:47,777 --> 01:23:50,363 He didn't complain. He never complained. 1119 01:23:50,488 --> 01:23:56,702 He never said, "Oh, why me? Why is this happening to me?" 1120 01:23:56,869 --> 01:23:58,704 In fact, he was almost kind of like, 1121 01:23:58,829 --> 01:24:02,708 "Well, considering my background and my history 1122 01:24:02,875 --> 01:24:05,086 and smoking for all those years 1123 01:24:05,211 --> 01:24:07,922 and drinking for all those years, 1124 01:24:09,006 --> 01:24:10,007 why not me?" 1125 01:24:10,216 --> 01:24:11,759 We just kept it quiet. 1126 01:24:13,052 --> 01:24:18,474 The word was that Joe has just taken an extended vacation. 1127 01:24:19,517 --> 01:24:24,522 But we were trying to have Joe be nominated 1128 01:24:24,689 --> 01:24:26,399 for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 1129 01:24:26,566 --> 01:24:27,858 We had lobbied them 1130 01:24:28,568 --> 01:24:32,697 with all of Roger's power, all the label power lobbying them. 1131 01:24:32,822 --> 01:24:36,701 We had signatures from fans around the world. 1132 01:24:36,909 --> 01:24:39,328 This is dated September 10th, 2014. 1133 01:24:39,495 --> 01:24:42,123 To members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame committee. 1134 01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:45,710 "As a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame since 1999, 1135 01:24:45,918 --> 01:24:47,420 it has been one of my fondest hopes 1136 01:24:47,587 --> 01:24:50,506 to see Joe Cocker inducted into it as well. 1137 01:24:51,424 --> 01:24:53,092 When I first heard him in 1969, 1138 01:24:53,259 --> 01:24:55,970 I was very inspired by the sound of his incredibly raw 1139 01:24:56,137 --> 01:24:57,763 and soulful vocal style. 1140 01:24:58,389 --> 01:25:02,685 In my opinion, no one has since come even close to him 1141 01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:06,480 as one of the great, primal rock vocalists of all time. 1142 01:25:06,689 --> 01:25:08,107 I hope you will consider putting his name 1143 01:25:08,232 --> 01:25:09,984 on the voting ballot this year. 1144 01:25:10,526 --> 01:25:11,777 Sincerely, Billy Joel." 1145 01:25:19,243 --> 01:25:22,580 Just for his performance at Woodstock, 1146 01:25:23,456 --> 01:25:26,125 he should be in some hall of fame. 1147 01:25:27,126 --> 01:25:29,128 Because it was transcendent. 1148 01:25:29,295 --> 01:25:32,840 It was a performance for the ages. 1149 01:25:33,257 --> 01:25:35,301 He isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? 1150 01:25:37,261 --> 01:25:38,471 Why could that be? 1151 01:25:39,096 --> 01:25:41,641 I think Joe was as big a talent as anyone 1152 01:25:42,642 --> 01:25:44,602 in the industry. 1153 01:25:44,769 --> 01:25:47,647 I think, really, in the history of rock'n'roll, 1154 01:25:47,813 --> 01:25:49,815 I think his talent was unique 1155 01:25:49,940 --> 01:25:52,693 and certainly a match for anyone's. 1156 01:25:53,027 --> 01:25:56,447 He was an interpreter. Like Sinatra was an interpreter. 1157 01:25:56,906 --> 01:26:00,326 Like all the great, really great singers were interpreters. 1158 01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:02,578 They did it their way. 1159 01:26:04,413 --> 01:26:07,166 So, hats off to Joe. 1160 01:26:14,674 --> 01:26:16,008 I knew that he was ill, 1161 01:26:16,175 --> 01:26:19,470 but I had no idea that it was that far along. 1162 01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:22,014 And so it really did come as 1163 01:26:22,598 --> 01:26:25,142 quite the unpleasant surprise to me. 1164 01:26:25,309 --> 01:26:28,771 I was watching CNN at the time 1165 01:26:28,938 --> 01:26:31,565 and there was just a crawl across the bottom of the screen 1166 01:26:31,691 --> 01:26:34,360 that said something like, 1167 01:26:35,194 --> 01:26:39,281 "Rock singer Joe Cocker dies." 1168 01:26:40,366 --> 01:26:42,535 All the accolades were very warm 1169 01:26:42,702 --> 01:26:45,413 and people were very kind. 1170 01:26:45,579 --> 01:26:48,374 So it was it was very touching. 1171 01:26:49,417 --> 01:26:51,919 He could be difficult, but everybody loved him. 1172 01:26:52,628 --> 01:26:53,629 Everybody. 1173 01:26:54,046 --> 01:26:56,882 Those who knew him, had the privilege of knowing him, 1174 01:26:57,049 --> 01:26:59,427 know actually what a sweet, kind man... 1175 01:26:59,593 --> 01:27:01,887 He was a lovely man. He was a lovely man. 1176 01:27:02,096 --> 01:27:04,432 You can't really get past it. 1177 01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:07,685 Which I try to do, 1178 01:27:08,561 --> 01:27:12,106 but, no, I just accept it that that's what happened 1179 01:27:12,273 --> 01:27:14,984 and I was happy I was part of it, for sure. 1180 01:27:15,943 --> 01:27:19,155 We were looking forward to our old age, you know. 1181 01:27:19,321 --> 01:27:21,907 And doing some travelling just on our own, 1182 01:27:22,074 --> 01:27:23,325 but, yeah... 1183 01:27:24,243 --> 01:27:25,411 That's life, you know. 1184 01:27:25,578 --> 01:27:29,415 You get thrown all kinds of things, don't you? 1185 01:27:40,593 --> 01:27:44,764 He was born to be a star, to be up front in a band. 1186 01:27:44,889 --> 01:27:46,265 You know, that's him. 1187 01:27:47,016 --> 01:27:48,768 What else is he going to do? 1188 01:27:48,934 --> 01:27:51,270 Looking like that, singing like that. 1189 01:28:33,229 --> 01:28:37,149 From the Blues Band and myself, thank you all very much indeed. 1190 01:28:38,150 --> 01:28:39,944 See you again. Beautiful. 1191 01:28:42,071 --> 01:28:44,073 A big thank you to Joe Cocker! 93848

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