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Take the ball. Pass the ball.
Take the ball. Pass the ball.
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Take the ball. Pass the ball.
Take the ball. Pass the ball.
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And I don't care where you're from.
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I don't care.
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If you tell me that you love football,
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and you don't love Barcelona,
you have a problem.
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If there's a game on TV,
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any team in the world,
if Barcelona are playing,
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I'd pick watching Barcelona all day long.
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I'd say 2011 was the best brand
of football I've seen.
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Barça re-established themselves
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as the most admired team in Europe.
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Not because we won
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but because of the style in which we won.
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There have been three special eras
in football history.
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First, Cruyff's Ajax,
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Sacchi's AC Milan,
a project that I continued.
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And then came Guardiola,
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and he created something beautiful.
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To play against Barcelona at that time,
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you just knew you had
a bigger chance to lose than to win.
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That Barcelona was just, you know,
eating everything on the table.
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It's one of the best ever performances
in a Champions League final
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and to do it against
Manchester United was incredible.
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We really enjoyed ourselves that day.
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I mean, they were special.
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They were as good as I've came up against
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by quite some margin.
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And they were just too good.
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I remember Sir Alex saying
that he'd never lost like that before,
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where he felt
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that he couldn't do anything.
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No one's given us a hiding like that,
so it's a great moment for them.
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They deserve it because
they play the right way.
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They stuck at it, they kept passing,
they kept passing.
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They might have lost one or two,
but they kept passing it.
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And all of a sudden,
they make that extra pass,
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and the spaces are bigger,
it's harder to close down
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and you lose your little bit of shape,
and that's when they take control.
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As a performance, it was...
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It was as good as I've seen.
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What struck me about them really
was the patience of the wide men,
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to stay so high and so wide
and keep making them runs,
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and probably hardly ever getting the ball.
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They both got the goal,
but just the patience
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to stay in that position and hold us,
pin our fullbacks back, pin them back.
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And then obviously
you've got Messi to drop back,
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making it four v three.
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Outnumbering the opponent
was the basis of our whole strategy.
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Messi dropped into midfield to give us
that numerical advantage.
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And he also scored goals,
which gave us an advantage
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over every team we played.
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I'll show you how we did it.
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Here's the Manchester United defense.
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They never closed down
the player in the hole.
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They had two defensive midfielders,
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a number ten, Rooney,
who didn't defend very much
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and a striker.
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For this goal, we were three against two.
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Iniesta plays the ball
across the line to Messi
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and Messi attacks the defense.
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We started really well
but then they equalized
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and that gave us a scare,
which is normal in a final.
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But we managed to take control
and when we went 3-1 up,
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we felt much more relaxed.
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Pep gave us a team talk
in the Wembley dressing room.
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I remember the room
was very dark, and he said,
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"I told you that if you got me this far,
I'd win you the final,
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"and I'm going to make sure you win it."
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If Pep said to jump off the third tier
of Camp Nou, I'd jump.
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There must be a good reason for it.
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And that's what I loved about him.
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He'd say things, and we'd realize
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that his words were never just words,
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and that convinces you
that what you're doing
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is going to get results.
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It's unreal
the way he used to tell us something,
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"That's what we're going to do.
Do it. It will work."
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And it will happen.
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It really will happen, just like that.
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That day was the crowning moment
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of everything we'd achieved since 2008.
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It was the crowning moment of our reign,
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the reign of a team
adored by its supporters
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and also by everyone who loves football.
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For Barça to win the Champions League
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in that style at Wembley,
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was the perfect end
to a brutally draining season.
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The rivalry between them and Madrid
had never been nastier.
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And the relationship between Mourinho
and Guardiola was beyond tense.
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Getting out of hand, some would say.
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I think it escalated into something
more than just football.
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I mean, I don't know whether there's
any rivalry between them personally,
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but it looked that way.
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Let's not forget where this comes from.
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In 2010, Barcelona are on their way
to the Champions League final.
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The Champions League final
is at Real Madrid's stadium.
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I think we've all forgotten
how much of a trauma this was in Madrid.
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They're terrified of this prospect.
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What happens?
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Mourinho happens.
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Mourinho beats Barcelona
and celebrates it like mad.
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And he's just passed his audition
for Real Madrid.
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It was difficult for Mourinho at Madrid
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because he probably arrives
when Barcelona are at their best.
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And I doubt that any other manager
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would have found a solution
for Madrid at the time.
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I think that he arrived to Madrid,
to a really big club,
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but he got frustrated after the 5-0,
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because we beat them 5-0
at Camp Nou in his first year.
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In the 5-0, they didn't have a hope.
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That was the best game
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I played in at Barça.
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I think that he just had
a reflection and said,
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"Listen, if we want to beat this team,
we cannot beat them playing football.
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We have to beat them in
trying to find another way."
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And they bring football
outside of the pitch,
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like in every press conference,
in every interview,
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trying to fight in every game.
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I have absolutely no doubt
that Mourinho's role at Real Madrid
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was to "knock Barcelona
off their fucking perch",
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to use Ferguson's words.
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Mourinho's not stupid.
Mourinho's a great competitor.
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And you have to respect winners.
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But when winners start losing
and feel powerless,
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you better watch out
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because it's bound to kick off.
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Playing four Clásicos
in such a short period
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brought the tension to boiling point.
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It was tough because most of us
were Spain teammates
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and the tensions
spilled out onto the pitch.
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I found it all very tough indeed.
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We all lost our heads a bit.
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The games should have been
much more attractive,
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much better to watch,
and without so much aggression,
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but when you're competing
you get swept up in it,
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and the tension
caused constant fighting on the pitch.
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The day I remember
that they won the Cup in extra time
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and Cristiano scored.
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We were a much better team than them,
but they won,
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and for us, it was like, "Whoa!"
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They had that moment
where they made us doubt ourselves
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because it was a really difficult moment.
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We thought we were the better team
and created more,
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but because of a marginal offside call,
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we ended up losing the cup final.
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And when you lose,
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not only do you feel angry,
but also doubts start to creep in.
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What we got on the pitch
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was a game where it really
could have gone either way.
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There's a goal from Pedro
ruled offside correctly,
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but, as Guardiola pointed out,
very fine the margin,
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which gave Mourinho the chance to say
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Guardiola was complaining
about right decisions.
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He wasn't. He was pointing out
the margins were so fine
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that it could have gone the other way.
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After what Pep said the other day,
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we've entered into a new era.
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There's now a new group of managers
with just one member, him,
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a group that criticizes a referee
for getting decisions right.
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It's something nobody's ever
seen or heard of before.
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Mourinho was so provocative
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that even people at Barça
wanted a reaction from Guardiola
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because Mourinho was constantly
trying to pick a fight with Guardiola
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and Barça in general.
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That day at lunch we listened
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to the Real Madrid manager
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and I noticed something change in Pep.
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I had a feeling that Pep
would do something uncharacteristic,
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and I think others felt it too,
because after training
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the director of football
came to the dressing room,
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which never happens.
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And I remember Zubizarreta said,
"Keep calm, Pep."
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And Pep told him he'd stay calm
and wouldn't react.
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But Pep was lying.
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I was in the press conference that day,
and we're sitting in the press room,
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and there's this moment
where everyone just goes,
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"Did he really say that?
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Bloody hell!"
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Yes? Yes.
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Pep Guardiola, good evening everyone.
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Mr. Mourinho addressed me by first name,
so I'll do the same.
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He called me Pep, so I'll call him José.
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I don't know which camera
belongs to Mr. José,
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probably all of them.
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Tomorrow at 20.45,
our teams go head-to-head on the pitch,
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but off the pitch, he's already won.
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He's won all year long
and he probably always will.
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I award him a Champions League trophy
for victories in the press room.
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In this room, he's the fucking boss,
the fucking chief.
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He knows it all and I don't even want
to try and compete with him.
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I only want to remind him
we worked together for four years.
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We were in the team hotel
watching that press conference.
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He gave us one more incentive
to go out and give 100%.
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When Guardiola returned,
we all started applauding him,
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and he just said, "That's enough.
Time to focus on the match."
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It really surprised us
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because nothing like that
had ever happened, but...
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a line had been crossed.
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It was precisely the boost
we needed at that moment.
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Clásicos are already extremely tense,
but this one was worse.
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Doubts and fears
were creeping into my mind.
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I'd known for over a month
that I needed surgery
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but we hadn't told anyone.
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It's impossible to keep secrets
in a dressing room.
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Everything always gets leaked.
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So I only told a couple
of my teammates the truth.
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When you go to a match feeling confident,
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everything is much easier,
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but I had a voice in my head
telling me to be careful
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and that my knee could collapse
at any moment.
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I had a big bit of cartilage
floating about inside.
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I could have easily collapsed
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when one of their players
was running at me.
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I was very nervous.
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This was the moment
we'd either go down in history
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or be remembered as a good side
but not one of the greats.
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That's what was at stake
in the semi-finals against Madrid.
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Even though you know
that you are a better team,
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you always have that doubt,
and I remember Pep said to us,
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"We are a much better team.
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I will bring you to the final of
the Champions League."
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And it was like this.
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They were very well-organized,
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so it wasn't easy
to create goal-scoring chances.
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And then Leo picked up
the ball in midfield
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and started that slalom run.
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It's just natural ability.
That's why he's the best in the world.
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Only Messi can do that.
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That goal is just incredible.
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Busi gives him the ball
and he skips past three or four,
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and then he scores with his right foot.
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It's one of the best goals
in football history.
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My assist practically
put the goal on a plate for him.
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No. The truth is...
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we all know that the more
Leo is on the ball
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the better it is for all of us.
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You have a Madrid team
that's extremely defensive,
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with Pepe in the middle of midfield.
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A Madrid team that is very aggressive,
that is playing for nil-nil.
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Mourinho's argument has always been
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that until Pepe is sent off,
Madrid were succeeding in that.
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We will never know if Messi
would have scored his two goals
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without that sending off.
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284
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At that moment, the red card
made absolutely no difference.
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Messi's unstoppable.
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It's natural talent that's only given
to the chosen ones.
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Maybe in 20 or 30 years,
there'll be another one,
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but right now it's Messi.
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I was in the room exactly a year later
when Pierluigi Collina,
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in his refereeing tutorial
to the Spain squad,
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uses that Pepe incident
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to show them how the laws of the game
would be interpreted during Euro 2012.
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And the instant it comes up on the screen,
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the Spain squad is split right
down the middle again
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with Madrid players and Barça players
drowning him out, shouting at each other
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about whether it is or isn't
a red card offence.
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I told Collina, "Show something else!
That's not a good example to show us!"
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Yeah. Some of them still said
it wasn't a red card.
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And that Pepe didn't touch him.
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Incredible!
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I'm telling you it was a red card.
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They can say what they want.
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Fans want to see their team play well.
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They don't want a team
that constantly fouls
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or defending with everyone
behind the ball.
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But in the end, football always wins.
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After the second leg at the Camp Nou,
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we stayed on the pitch
celebrating for ten or 15 minutes,
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and we still had to play
the Champions League final.
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But with all due respect
to Manchester United,
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our biggest test that year
was beating Madrid in the semi-final.
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So they've beaten Real Madrid
in the semi-finals.
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They then dismantle Manchester United
in the Champions League final.
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And the instant outpouring of superlatives
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from all-time greats of the game
all around the world,
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I think, objectively marks this
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as the high point
of European club football. Ever.
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00:21:57,740 --> 00:22:01,620
But the fact that Éric Abidal
plays and wins,
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having already just beaten cancer
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turns this from a great sporting story
into a great human drama.
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That day wasn't about lifting
the Champions League trophy,
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we should have been lifting Abi.
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That was the real triumph.
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He was one of the great characters
in the dressing room
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and everybody loved him.
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Abidal!
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I remember two or three days
after we heard about the cancer,
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Abi came to see us.
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And he was the one who cheered us up.
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One of my teammates died
when I was at Sevilla,
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and I thought,
"I can't let this happen again.
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Not another one, please."
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00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:58,980
The first time I wasn't able to help,
but this time, I could.
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00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:03,660
And if there was a chance
to save his life,
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my career was the last thing on my mind.
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Dani came to see me and said,
"Look Abi, we have the same blood type.
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I'm going to give you part of my liver."
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00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:22,460
Everyone saw Dani
in a different light after that.
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348
00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:25,380
It was a private matter,
which only came out
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because Abi told people.
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But I'd never have forgiven myself
if he'd died
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and I'd done nothing to help.
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I couldn't let that happen.
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00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:39,380
In the end, they found another solution,
but I don't regret making the offer.
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Days after his operation,
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he was back in the dressing room
and working out in the gym.
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He wanted to be back
with the group as soon as possible.
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We had no doubt he'd make a full recovery.
359
00:23:57,380 --> 00:23:58,420
360
00:23:58,540 --> 00:24:00,740
Did you think you had
a good chance of playing at Wembley?
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00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:02,020
362
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:06,180
No. I didn't even think
I had a ten percent chance.
363
00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:11,940
We needed to play
the strongest side possible,
364
00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:15,460
and the strongest team
had to include Puyol.
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00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:17,740
I wanted to play.
366
00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:21,300
I always wanted to play,
but I was in a worse state than Abidal.
367
00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:24,300
And the most important thing was winning.
368
00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:27,660
The boss did something
he'd never done before,
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00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:31,780
He announced the starting line-up
in the dressing room at Wembley
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00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:36,540
just an hour before the game
in the Champions League Final.
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00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:40,620
I was shitting myself,
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00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:43,140
thinking, "Bloody hell! What's going on?"
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00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:45,140
I wasn't fully match fit,
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00:24:46,660 --> 00:24:51,620
but there was a fire inside me,
which gave me that extra drive.
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00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:54,940
And when you're on the pitch,
you're just thinking, "Let's do this."
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377
00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:04,820
The Abidal situation was
a huge emotional boost for all of us.
378
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,460
And he found strength
he didn't know he had
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to play the way he did,
with the same composure as always.
380
00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:15,940
Abidal was an example to everyone.
381
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:18,940
382
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,500
He showed
such strength and determination
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and a will to overcome the cancer.
384
00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:25,380
And I decided that if we won that night,
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00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:29,540
Abidal should be
the first to lift the cup.
386
00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:31,820
It really is an incredible moment.
387
00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:34,500
I've been lucky enough to lift it twice,
388
00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:37,220
and it's a difficult feeling to describe.
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00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:38,420
390
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:39,780
It was Puyi's decision.
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He'd had the disappointment
of not starting the game,
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00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:48,500
and he maybe didn't feel
like a key member of the team,
393
00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:53,540
but despite that,
he decided Abidal should lift the cup.
394
00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:57,820
He said to me, "It's got to be Abidal."
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00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:02,940
And I said, "Bloody hell, you're right.
Abi should lift it."
396
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:05,220
Without any doubt, that moment was...
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00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:08,340
the absolute highlight for us all.
398
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:11,260
To watch Abidal lift the trophy
was very special.
399
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:16,780
400
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:18,460
I was with Víctor Valdés,
close to Abidal.
401
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:22,540
Watching Abidal lift the trophy
after the illness he'd been through,
402
00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:24,340
it still gives me goosebumps.
403
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:29,100
404
00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:43,540
405
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:45,180
I think it was the moment...
406
00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:53,700
that showed the strength of our group.
407
00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:57,260
We were much more than just teammates.
408
00:26:57,380 --> 00:27:01,020
They say that Barça is more than a club.
409
00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:03,780
At that moment, it was more than a club.
410
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,500
I think that the story of this club,
411
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:21,420
obviously, you cannot understand
if you don't know the figure of Cruyff.
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Firstly as a player, he was one
of the best players in history.
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00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:26,740
I didn't watch him play,
414
00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:30,220
but my dad always
said incredible things about him.
415
00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:32,500
He always says, "Messi and then Cruyff."
416
00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:33,660
417
00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:35,540
When we were kids of ten or 11,
Cruyff signed for Barça
418
00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:40,540
and we copied his hairstyle,
the way he ran and played football.
419
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:42,980
He inspired a revolution in 1973/74.
420
00:27:50,660 --> 00:27:52,220
421
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:12,140
He comes here with the advantage
of having a good reputation as a player.
422
00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:16,220
He has a philosophy
which is contrary to many.
423
00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:18,100
He would prefer to fail with his ideas
424
00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:20,700
than to succeed
with the ideas of someone else.
425
00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:24,140
Players go for these kind of things,
for this kind of charisma.
426
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,540
427
00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:31,580
I played with him here for five years
and when we took over the team,
428
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:36,060
we wanted to play
a different brand of football.
429
00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:41,300
And it caused shock waves
around the world.
430
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:44,220
Everyone played with a 4-4-2 formation,
431
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:50,220
and we played with three defenders,
four midfielders and three in attack.
432
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:51,700
433
00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:53,700
People would say,
"They've only got three defenders!"
434
00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:55,580
It was a 3-4-3.
435
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,780
They'd say, "It's madness.
We'll concede loads of goals!"
436
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:01,740
But Johan preferred
winning 6-5 to winning 1-0.
437
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:05,780
I was really lucky because
I was six, seven, eight years old.
438
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:09,060
I watched the first Copa de Europa,
European Championships.
439
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:10,460
We were a really good team,
440
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:14,180
always playing really well,
but we'd never won nothing important.
441
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,060
But when he arrived,
he changed this mentality,
442
00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:20,100
and we started to win important things
and important titles.
443
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:22,420
444
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:46,580
445
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:50,740
Cruyff is the most influential person
in the entire history of FC Barcelona.
446
00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:54,900
Our style of play
is the most important thing.
447
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:56,620
Then come the players.
448
00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:59,980
But what really draws you in
and what sets the club apart
449
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,020
is that Barça play
a unique brand of football.
450
00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:04,580
451
00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:07,220
It all started a very long time
ago during Cruyff's spell at the club.
452
00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:12,140
Since then we've always played
the same way,
453
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:16,900
holding onto possession
454
00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:21,700
and passing in triangles,
455
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,060
pressing the moment we lose the ball,
456
00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:29,460
staying close together so we can
recover possession and then keep it.
457
00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:30,860
458
00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:31,980
Over time you realize,
459
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,380
that it's because of Cruyff's influence
that by the age of 21,
460
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:39,140
it felt normal to come off my line
and play further up the pitch,
461
00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:41,260
outside the penalty area.
462
00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:46,860
You come to realize that
all of us, me, Xavi, Iniesta...
463
00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:51,740
We've all grown up adopting
Johan's philosophy.
464
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:55,580
You know, it's an immense honor, or pride,
465
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:57,340
to see that this is still going this way
466
00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:59,900
and my father is mentioned
like the architect.
467
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:05,580
468
00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:11,420
I think it's a process that began
in the 1970s with Laureano Ruiz.
469
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:13,980
I experienced that here as a player.
470
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:17,180
I was then a coach here
when the second big change took place
471
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,180
when Johan Cruyff arrived as manager.
472
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,700
He changed our mentality.
473
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:26,420
He turned us into winners
and taught us to be confident,
474
00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:30,220
to want the ball and be creative,
and to enjoy ourselves.
475
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:33,020
And our third big change was with Pep,
476
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:35,060
who took it to another level.
477
00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:37,340
478
00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:40,460
Cruyff's arrival was key
because he imposed his ideas.
479
00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:46,340
His advantage was that the players
480
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:49,460
already understood this style
because they'd worked under me.
481
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:53,860
I invented the Rondo.
482
00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:56,580
The ideal Rondo is four against two.
483
00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,100
You need to move constantly to find space.
484
00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:03,180
The player with the ball
485
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,940
must have the option
of a pass to his right,
486
00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:09,540
another to this left,
and another through the middle,
487
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:11,700
which I call the pass down the street.
488
00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:13,460
So in a match that becomes
489
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:18,580
a sideways pass to feet or a through ball.
490
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:22,100
So it's a very important
tactical exercise.
491
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,740
Barcelona always train in tight spaces.
492
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:30,460
If the ball doesn't stay by your foot,
it's gone, in training.
493
00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:33,860
That's why, after, when you drop
those guys on the big field,
494
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:36,620
they play as if they were in tight places.
495
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:37,940
496
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:41,740
If you pass, the player marking
you doesn't have time to catch you.
497
00:32:42,340 --> 00:32:45,340
When he gets to you, it's always too late.
498
00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:50,420
That's how you take control.
499
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:57,260
500
00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:59,420
The ball is fired at you
from every direction.
501
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:04,060
And the light shows you
where to pass the ball.
502
00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:08,500
So if the light comes on over there,
I have to be in the right position.
503
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:12,300
Left foot control, right foot pass.
As few touches as possible.
504
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:13,740
It's the role of a midfielder.
505
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:28,300
You're being marked and pressed.
506
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:30,620
You have to get your head up
and find the solution.
507
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:33,500
I learned all of that
from the age of 11 or 12
508
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:40,180
because I had fantastic coaches at Barça
like Joan Vilà and Albert Benaiges.
509
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,260
My son plays for the youth team,
510
00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:46,380
and you get to realize as a parent,
as well,
511
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,060
what the club teaches.
512
00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:52,260
It's not only about how they play
and how successful that you can be.
513
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:55,740
It's how you conduct yourself,
how to be a Barça player,
514
00:33:55,860 --> 00:34:00,380
how to live like a Barça player,
how to respect what it means.
515
00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:02,340
516
00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:05,860
Having well brought up, polite kids,
with good values...
517
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:07,940
makes everything much easier.
518
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:11,460
Just look at the squad
we've got at the moment.
519
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:13,380
They're all exceptional people.
520
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:15,140
521
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:20,140
We were lucky to have a generation
of players who came from La Masia,
522
00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:26,260
like Xavi, Iniesta, Piqué, Puyol,
Valdés, Pedro, Leo, Busquets.
523
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:28,980
They all achieved huge success
in the first team.
524
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:35,620
Tell me a team, apart maybe from Ajax,
that dominated world football
525
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:40,700
having that amount of youngsters
from the academy in their team.
526
00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:43,860
There's a reason
why youth players at Barcelona
527
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:47,060
are the ones who best adjust
to the first team at Barcelona.
528
00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:48,500
It's not a coincidence.
529
00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:51,460
It's not because they work
with special machines
530
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:52,980
that no other club has.
531
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,500
It has to do with the way
they're brought up,
532
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:57,460
the values, their football values.
533
00:34:57,580 --> 00:35:01,140
What is the real essence of our football?
534
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:03,180
Is it the result or is it how we play?
535
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,460
It's how we play.
536
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:07,540
And then, if you do that good,
the results will come.
537
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:09,260
We came here to play football.
538
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:14,500
People realized that we were different
and that we had talent.
539
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:18,020
We were given the chance
to develop from junior level
540
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:19,780
through to the first team.
541
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,860
It's a different way
of understanding football,
542
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:27,660
which gives you a better
chance of success.
543
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:30,740
When I joined Barcelona,
544
00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:31,940
the media asked me
545
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:34,700
which player had surprised me most
546
00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:37,340
and I said, Andrés Iniesta,
547
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:39,580
which surprised them
548
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:44,900
because they all wanted me
to say Messi or Ronaldinho.
549
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:51,100
But the player who makes difficult
things look easy is Andrés.
550
00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:53,700
I'd want Andrés and Xavi...
551
00:35:55,420 --> 00:36:00,140
in my team until the day they retire.
552
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:02,900
553
00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:06,100
Barça's style of football is different
to any team in the world.
554
00:36:06,220 --> 00:36:12,020
At Barça, there is a very specific way
you have to play.
555
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:16,380
You can't just boot the ball clear.
556
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:22,860
Defenders have to control the ball,
dribble and make the right pass.
557
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,140
It's not easy.
558
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:27,500
In the Premier League or at Real Madrid,
you clear the ball.
559
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:30,140
And that isn't a problem
at most other clubs.
560
00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:33,900
But at Barça that's not enough.
You have to do a lot more.
561
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:36,180
562
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:37,860
It's a unique philosophy.
563
00:36:39,460 --> 00:36:44,940
And that's why it's so difficult
for new players
564
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:47,380
to adapt to our style of play.
565
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:52,780
It might look easy but it's something
we've been practicing for years.
566
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:58,460
Most of us have been playing
this way since we were kids.
567
00:36:58,580 --> 00:37:01,980
Playing for Barça isn't easy.
568
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,620
You see all these players
that are here for a long time.
569
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:08,300
They come through the youth system
and walk into the first team,
570
00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:11,060
and it's as if they've been there
for many, many years.
571
00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:12,420
Coming here wasn't so easy
572
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:15,260
because there are certain elements
of the game
573
00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:17,660
that you haven't been taught.
574
00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:20,140
You see players...
575
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:24,620
I could tell you a few names
but I'm not allowed.
576
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:28,860
But world-class, spectacular footballers,
577
00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:30,820
who were completely lost.
578
00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:32,420
They ended up in hysterics.
579
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:35,460
It was more the style of play
that I had to adapt to.
580
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:41,420
Staying on the line to make sure
that you can free Andrés,
581
00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:42,900
make the run in behind,
582
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:46,220
knowing that nine times
or eight times out of ten,
583
00:37:46,340 --> 00:37:47,740
you will not get that ball.
584
00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:50,900
But if you don't make the run,
Andrés doesn't get the ball.
585
00:37:56,740 --> 00:38:01,100
My first move when Abidal had the ball
and he's about to control it,
586
00:38:01,220 --> 00:38:03,060
I always have to ask for the ball
in behind.
587
00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:06,420
Every single time. It's a dummy run.
588
00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:13,660
Now Andrés gets the ball,
Sam now makes a run for Andrés,
589
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:15,540
so Andrés can play him there,
590
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:19,140
Andrés can play me as I come back
from an offside position,
591
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:23,340
Or, if not, third choice,
Andrés skills you by his dribble.
592
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:25,740
You have a guy dropping, a guy running
593
00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:28,020
and a guy with the ball
running at you, so,
594
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,340
by the time you stop
to realize what's happening,
595
00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:31,940
you're already in trouble.
596
00:38:34,580 --> 00:38:36,420
597
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:40,020
Some guys managed to get it in the end
like Thierry Henry and Abidal,
598
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:41,660
who both struggled at the start.
599
00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:46,100
But some other really talented players
just didn't make it.
600
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:48,860
I missed my chance.
601
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:54,220
I was full of this fire,
of this desire to, you know, to play
602
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:56,060
and sometimes it was like...
603
00:38:56,180 --> 00:39:00,660
I mean, I just wanted to
immediately show what I can.
604
00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:03,780
And sometimes it was against me.
605
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:06,020
606
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:07,980
Barça is a hard team to play for,
particularly at center-back.
607
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:11,900
If you make a couple of early mistakes,
the fans get on your back,
608
00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:15,140
and the pressure really builds.
609
00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:21,300
But Chygrynskiy's qualities
were perfect for Barça.
610
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:28,420
To turn the crowd around is not easy,
especially at Barcelona.
611
00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:33,780
I think it was Xavi who said,
"This is a very special place.
612
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:36,220
I've played here for many years,
613
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:39,180
but believe me,
if I play one or two games not good,
614
00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:42,700
these people can destroy me."
615
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:48,420
I got it as a joke
but then I felt that it...
616
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:51,860
That it was not.
617
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:54,900
618
00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:56,820
Despite being a home-grown player,
I've suffered things
619
00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:58,060
that crossed the line.
620
00:39:58,180 --> 00:40:01,020
-In 2003, I was the "Cancer of Barça."
621
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:04,540
In 2014, I was "old and good for nothing."
622
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:06,460
It's a roller coaster.
623
00:40:06,580 --> 00:40:10,940
Barça is the most difficult club
in the world.
624
00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:12,100
No doubt about it.
625
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:16,540
Imagine for a new signing.
It must be twice as difficult.
626
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:19,260
I felt this difference,
that I needed to learn
627
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:21,460
this language of football,
628
00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:24,780
how to create space, how to defend,
629
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:29,020
and all the things that the players
were already playing.
630
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:34,300
We played a game against Osasuna
631
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:39,300
and Osasuna were not defending well
that area.
632
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:41,660
The guy there was not tucking in well.
633
00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:46,780
So that day Chygrynskiy played
because he had a great left foot.
634
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:49,260
He could ping the ball well
with his left and right foot.
635
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:50,620
But an amazing left foot.
636
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:54,020
We were going to always play
in the center back
637
00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:57,220
that was going to play across for Xavi.
638
00:40:57,340 --> 00:41:00,140
Whenever we were moving,
Xavi stayed in that zone.
639
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,620
So that was the exit.
640
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:04,300
But what was funny that day
641
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:09,060
is that Chygrynskiy twice
played the ball long for Zlatan.
642
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:10,180
And it was on.
643
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,620
Zlatan nearly went one v one
with the keeper.
644
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:17,140
Pep took him off at half-time...
645
00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:21,940
...because he didn't respect the pattern.
646
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:27,140
That's the way he studied that team
and that's the way he asked us to play.
647
00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:31,740
The vocabulary of Guardiola or my father
is building up from behind,
648
00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:32,860
possession,
649
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:37,340
the speed of the ball is more important
than the speed of the legs,
650
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:41,580
always play attractive football
to keep your fans happy.
651
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,140
I mean, there are so many similarities.
652
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:46,020
When you play for Barcelona
653
00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:47,780
and especially after Guardiola came,
654
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:52,100
that's where you really learn
how to play the Barcelona way.
655
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:57,020
It's 11, not just the strikers
or not just the midfielders.
656
00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:00,940
The 11 players have to participate
to create the chance.
657
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:06,100
Basically, what we want to do
is try to put the ball to the strikers
658
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:09,380
with a really good pass,
so that they can have one on one.
659
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,700
But obviously if you pass them a long ball
660
00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:16,180
that's not really easy to control,
661
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,020
the striker will not do his job.
662
00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:23,060
It's all about starting from the back,
to the strikers.
663
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:25,820
664
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:27,900
Pep took risks all over the pitch.
665
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:33,460
I think he made two great
innovations as our coach,
666
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:36,300
One was pressing after losing the ball
667
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:39,940
and the other was playing out
from the back.
668
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:45,100
669
00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:47,260
I remember my first conversation
with Guardiola as coach.
670
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:49,940
It was in his office at the Camp Nou.
671
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:54,460
He had a tactics board
with two small magnets
672
00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:59,220
either side of the goal,
just outside of the box.
673
00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:02,180
He said, "Do you know
which players these two are?"
674
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:05,020
I said, "Nope."
675
00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:07,620
And he said,
"These are your center-backs."
676
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:12,620
I had no idea what he was talking about.
It sounded Chinese.
677
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:18,980
And he said, "When you've got the ball,
this is where I want them to be."
678
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:23,140
I thought he was crazy.
679
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:29,780
And then he said, "You'll pass to them,
and from there we'll build the play."
680
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:33,420
I still thought he was completely mad,
681
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:37,300
but given that I'm a bit crazy myself,
I felt in tune with him.
682
00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:40,060
So I told him the defenders
would have to be brave
683
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:43,180
and want the ball.
684
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:46,540
And Pep said, "Don't worry, that's my job.
685
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:48,180
I'll make sure they want it."
686
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:49,940
That's how it started.
687
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:52,420
688
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:58,460
Both Pep and Tito
took this idea one step further.
689
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:04,980
They told us not to worry
690
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,620
because if we made a mistake,
691
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:08,580
they would take responsibility.
692
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,140
All they asked was that we play
the ball out from the back
693
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:17,780
because that was the way
Barça had to play football.
694
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:20,580
695
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:24,100
He would show us how he wanted us
to play the ball out from the back.
696
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:26,180
He said that by doing this, we'd score.
697
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,260
So why would I stop playing that way
if I made a mistake?
698
00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:32,940
We both knew that it was risky.
699
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:36,860
But he would say,
"Don't worry if you make a mistake.
700
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:39,860
Just keep playing exactly the same way."
701
00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:42,140
702
00:44:58,660 --> 00:44:59,700
703
00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:02,860
We believe it's about
much more than just winning.
704
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:05,820
The message isn't "win, win, win".
705
00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:07,700
Winning is a result of how you play.
706
00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:09,780
The philosophy
is the most important thing.
707
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:13,420
You know you've done something
when people just want to watch you play.
708
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:14,500
Not win.
709
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:19,300
When you talk about Barcelona,
you're talking about the way they play,
710
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:20,980
the beauty of the game.
711
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,820
You go home and you go like,
"You should watch the second goal...
712
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:34,460
and, by the way, they won."
713
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:45,860
714
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:49,820
There was a sign on the door
of the coaches' room, which said,
715
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:56,300
"If you're offering us a youth player
who's less than 1.8 meters tall,
716
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:57,700
turn around and go home."
717
00:45:57,820 --> 00:46:02,180
It was Cruyff who changed that,
when he returned as manager.
718
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:08,460
He believed that talent was the key
and height was irrelevant.
719
00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:12,220
720
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:13,580
From then on, players were judged
only on their quality.
721
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:17,500
Is he good or not?
Regardless of their height.
722
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:21,140
Look at Jordi, Xavi, Messi and Andrés.
723
00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:25,460
On top of each other they barely reach
normal height. They're all tiny!
724
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:26,940
725
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:30,420
Small players have enormous advantages
over big players.
726
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:33,540
They can start, stop and turn quicker.
727
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,540
The best players are all small.
728
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,900
Messi has given a lot of people,
729
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:42,500
a lot of young football dreamers,
a whole new hope.
730
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:44,980
It's not about the 1 meter 80.
731
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:47,660
It's much more than that.
732
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:49,500
It's intelligence.
733
00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:52,180
In the end,
if the brain is faster than the ball,
734
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,020
you dominate.
735
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:03,860
736
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:06,700
One of my friends worked
in the youth academy,
737
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:10,300
when Messi was 14 or 15.
738
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:14,660
I always asked about the kids,
which of them looked special,
739
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:17,660
who was likely to make it
and reach the first team.
740
00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:21,100
He said to me,
"There's this kid from Argentina
741
00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:24,700
and I've never seen anyone
with the talent he's got."
742
00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:28,500
When Messi started training with us
at the age of 16,
743
00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:31,180
we all realized he was special.
744
00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:43,460
745
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:58,660
746
00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:04,100
I had a big network of scouts
in South America.
747
00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:09,380
One of them told me
there was a kid in Rosario.
748
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,940
He was only 12 years old
but he was unique.
749
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:18,740
Nowadays, clubs invest in youngsters,
but it didn't happen back then.
750
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:23,780
It wasn't easy, but Charly Rexach helped
and we decided to bring him over.
751
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:26,740
Nobody wanted to take a risk on me.
752
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:31,900
It was a big gamble to sign
such a small kid from abroad
753
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:35,420
and bring him to Barcelona.
754
00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:40,740
It was Charly Rexach who made it happen.
755
00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:45,060
He came to watch me play and told me
that Barça definitely wanted me.
756
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:49,300
It was thanks to him and the coaches
who wanted to sign me,
757
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:52,060
although there were some who didn't.
758
00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:58,540
But mainly it's thanks to Charly
that I signed for Barça.
759
00:48:59,140 --> 00:49:00,220
760
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:01,980
I've always said it was an honor
to have brought Messi to this club.
761
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,700
My small part in Messi's arrival
762
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:08,620
was that I kept nagging
until we signed him.
763
00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:11,780
If you went to the board back then
764
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,580
and told them that we needed
to sign a 12-year-old kid,
765
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:17,940
their first reaction was,
766
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,940
"Let's talk again in eight years."
767
00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:23,020
But I said, "No. We have to sign him.
768
00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:28,540
He's very good,
and one day, he'll be incredible."
769
00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:31,500
That was my success. I insisted on it.
770
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:36,740
Even back then, it was already obvious
that Messi was out of this world.
771
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:40,180
772
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:42,980
So I told Rexach
that I needed something in writing.
773
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:45,060
His parents had been here a month,
774
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:50,020
and I kept reassuring them,
but there was no official agreement.
775
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:52,620
We were at the Pompeia Tennis Club
on Montjuic,
776
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:58,540
and there were napkins on the table,
so Rexach took one and wrote,
777
00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:01,620
"I, Carles Rexach,
advisor to the president,
778
00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:05,780
confirm that Leo Messi has the qualities
to sign for FC Barcelona."
779
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:07,620
He signed it and then I signed it.
780
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:09,620
We still have the napkin
stored in the bank
781
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:14,540
because it's delicate
and it needs looking after.
782
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:15,780
783
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:19,060
By signing the napkin,
I wanted to show Messi's family
784
00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:21,940
that I was committed to
signing him for FC Barcelona.
785
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:26,660
I think Barcelona and Messi just...
It was destined.
786
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:28,660
It just had to be this way.
787
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:31,660
He came to the best club
that he could have.
788
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,140
It was difficult at first.
789
00:50:55,900 --> 00:51:00,500
I was very young and everything was new.
790
00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:04,660
I'd left behind family members,
friends, my country.
791
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:11,060
It was tough to start with,
but I managed to settle in.
792
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:13,620
Most of us knew
that a phenomenon was coming.
793
00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:16,060
But the Gamper tournament was the proof.
794
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:17,340
It was the first night,
795
00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:19,260
of which there have been so many since,
796
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:24,180
when 99,000 lucky people at the Camp Nou
simply paid homage
797
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:27,340
to something more exciting, more uplifting
798
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:29,340
than they'd ever witnessed before.
799
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:33,620
I was there that night
and the effect was spine-tingling.
800
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:36,500
801
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:43,140
802
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:44,820
It was a very special day
803
00:51:44,940 --> 00:51:49,620
and I loved every minute.
804
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:52,900
It was the Gamper tournament
805
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:58,540
and I was in the starting XI.
806
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:04,420
It was a huge moment for me
because after that game,
807
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:07,460
everything changed.
808
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:10,980
That's where it all started.
809
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:13,300
810
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:16,980
I remember telling Patrick Vieira
before that match
811
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:22,380
to be very careful
because he was up against a young kid
812
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:25,060
who would change history.
813
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:29,620
One day, it would seem like every player
who came before Messi, even me,
814
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:31,980
were playing a different sport.
815
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:35,540
It was incredible what this kid was doing
816
00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:39,340
against the likes of Vieira,
a first team player at Juve.
817
00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:44,500
He was drifting past big,
physical players.
818
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:46,860
Messi just did whatever he wanted.
819
00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:51,300
And Capello asked
if he could take him on loan.
820
00:52:55,460 --> 00:52:56,620
821
00:52:59,780 --> 00:53:01,140
Capello's no fool!
822
00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:02,300
823
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:04,220
Initially, I didn't know
anything about Messi.
824
00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:08,540
Only that he was going to play.
825
00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:10,900
I saw that he was just a young kid,
826
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:16,260
but when the game started,
he began doing incredible things.
827
00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:19,500
Rijkaard was
the Barcelona coach back then.
828
00:53:20,580 --> 00:53:25,020
It was the Gamper trophy,
a friendly match.
829
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:28,700
The referee wasn't that strict
and we could move about,
830
00:53:28,820 --> 00:53:31,060
so I walked over to Rijkaard
831
00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:37,500
and asked if I could take Messi on loan.
832
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:41,460
You weren't allowed as many
foreigners in your team back then.
833
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:44,420
I said, "You've already got
three foreign players.
834
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:46,660
There's no place for him".
835
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:52,300
But Rijkaard said that
they were already looking for a solution
836
00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:58,660
and Messi would be a regular
in the team very soon.
837
00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:00,260
It's just...
838
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:03,260
How do you describe it?
839
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:07,420
Basically everyone knew this guy is
going to be the best in the world.
840
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,260
And there was no doubt about it.
841
00:54:33,180 --> 00:54:34,260
842
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:35,460
I knew about his goal scoring ability,
843
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:39,500
and fortunately, Guardiola
put him in that false nine position.
844
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:42,220
It meant that
alongside Eto'o and the other strikers,
845
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:46,460
he had more freedom in attack.
846
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:53,060
That tactical change
was a huge benefit to him.
849
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:19,940
It's very difficult to pick
Leo's best goal.
850
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:23,580
The one he scored against Getafe
comes to mind.
851
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:26,580
When you see what he produces
day in day out,
852
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:28,500
it's impossible to choose one goal.
854
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:42,020
They were just flashes of Maradona
against England.
855
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:45,340
And I knew at that time,
856
00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:49,300
right in the moment that I've witnessed
something incredible here.
857
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:52,220
It's one of his great goals,
probably one of the greatest,
858
00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:55,220
but if you get a video of his goals,
859
00:55:56,380 --> 00:56:02,180
he's probably scored another 50 like it,
which makes him exceptional.
861
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:16,900
One of my favorites is the goal
he scored against Arsenal.
862
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:20,460
It was like watching someone
on the PlayStation.
863
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:27,140
He flicks it over Almunia
at the last second and then scores.
864
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:37,220
I love it because of that skill.
865
00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:40,540
Any other player
would smash it into the net first time,
866
00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:45,940
but he had the composure
to flick the ball up and then finish.
867
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:49,580
The best goal I've seen him score
was against Málaga at home
868
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:52,220
because that defied logic what he did.
869
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:56,420
Diagonal ball,
controlled the ball on his chest,
870
00:56:57,180 --> 00:56:58,780
he runs full speed.
871
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:03,780
The first player goes,
the second player's just behind him.
872
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:08,980
If he takes another step
that player will clear the ball.
873
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:11,940
OK, if you stop the ball
on your left foot here,
874
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:18,060
how do you go back with that same leg
to touch the ball in the air,
875
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:20,980
to make sure that guy doesn't touch it?
876
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:22,540
Then he almost fell.
877
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:25,580
He almost fell and smashed it
to first post, top corner.
878
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:27,820
That's not normal.
880
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:35,220
Regardless of the fact that he's Messi,
in training, he wants to win.
881
00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:39,340
He'll get annoyed
if he doesn't get the ball
882
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:41,540
and angry if he's fouled.
883
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:44,580
And that tells you a lot
about a champion like him.
884
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:49,140
In training, if the boss doesn't call
a foul or whatever,
885
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:53,460
he used to go and ask,
"It's not a foul? OK."
886
00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:57,780
He used to go and get the ball,
run past everyone, score.
887
00:57:58,500 --> 00:57:59,980
Now you get the ball, you try to go,
888
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,940
he runs after you,
gets the ball back, scores,
889
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:07,740
until he gets in a normal state again
and he relaxes.
890
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:09,460
Next thing you know you're 3-1 down.
891
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:13,260
He's a player
who's different from the rest.
892
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:16,060
He's very talented
and earns lots of money,
893
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:21,700
but when you meet him
it's like he isn't a star at all.
894
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:25,060
895
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:31,060
I've known him for ten or 12 years
and he's not the most outgoing person
896
00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:35,060
but he's just a normal, humble guy.
897
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:36,940
He's very quiet,
898
00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:40,700
but when his feet do the talking,
he's unique.
899
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:42,580
He's an absolute winner.
900
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:47,060
He has the desire to always be
the best on the pitch,
901
00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:51,020
and that's why he became the best player
in the history of this game.
902
00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:53,100
904
00:58:56,700 --> 00:59:01,340
I was lucky enough to play
against Pelé and Cruyff.
905
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:02,700
I watched Maradona play.
906
00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:07,420
They have all made a big difference
in this sport.
907
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:09,660
But nowadays there is no one
like Leo Messi.
908
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:13,340
He does things that other players
can't even think about doing.
909
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:18,500
He does the impossible, the incredible.
910
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:21,540
He moves at a different speed
to everyone else.
911
00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:26,940
It's like the ball is glued to his foot
and he keeps showing it to you
912
00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:31,740
and just when you think you can get it,
it's already too late.
913
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:40,100
It's difficult to talk about Leo
and put it into our words
914
00:59:40,220 --> 00:59:42,020
because he's not on our planet.
915
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:43,700
916
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:46,260
In every game I'd be watching,
waiting to see what he would do
917
00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:49,300
because he's the player
who wins you every game.
918
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:53,740
When he takes the ball,
something's going to happen.
919
00:59:55,780 --> 00:59:57,140
920
00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:59,380
He's capable of starting
the move and finishing it off, as well.
921
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,180
Normally, players can do one or the other,
922
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:08,060
But he's different.
924
01:00:10,460 --> 01:00:12,020
He's better than you
with his right foot, left foot and head,
925
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:14,020
at defending and attacking.
926
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:15,220
He's faster,
927
01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:19,300
better at dribbling and passing.
928
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:28,260
Goalkeeper?
929
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:31,100
Well, we haven't put him in goal yet.
930
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:35,220
But watch out if he tries that too!
931
01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:46,780
The impact and importance of Cruyff
as a player
932
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:49,780
and then the Dream Team coach
at Barça, huge.
933
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,340
But Joan Laporta's devotion
to the Dutchman
934
01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:54,180
meant that he stood for election
935
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,940
and once he won the presidency,
936
01:00:56,060 --> 01:00:59,020
he ushered in that golden era of all-time
937
01:00:59,660 --> 01:01:04,060
by handing the GPS to Cruyff,
about the football philosophy,
938
01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:06,940
and the appointment of the right men
to implement it.
939
01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:10,540
It's for those three things:
great player, brilliant coach,
940
01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:13,140
and the greatest ever professor,
941
01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:15,860
that Cruyff has become
the most important man
942
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:18,460
in the history of professional football.
943
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:23,700
I think it was... it was crucial,
the contribution of Cruyff.
944
01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:26,380
It wasn't like a day-to-day office job,
945
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:31,060
but we knew that he was providing ideas
and support.
947
01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:35,020
He advised us on all
of our football decisions.
948
01:01:35,140 --> 01:01:38,340
Johan created and developed
a certain style of football,
949
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:44,540
and Rijkaard contributed his own
personality, ideas and experience.
951
01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:51,780
People remember Pep's time in charge
952
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:53,820
because it was a very successful era,
953
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:57,660
but I'll never forget Frank's time
at the club,
954
01:01:57,780 --> 01:02:00,140
which was also
a very successful few years.
955
01:02:00,580 --> 01:02:05,540
During Madrid's Galáctico era,
they were winning everything,
956
01:02:05,660 --> 01:02:07,660
and it felt like we couldn't beat them.
957
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:10,140
But with Rijkaard, we put an end to that,
958
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:14,980
which for me personally
was a very proud moment.
959
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:19,300
960
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:28,540
Barça was already a huge brand,
961
01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:32,700
but we were looking at the museum
and there was only one Champions League.
962
01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:46,420
If you watch the final,
I don't think we deserved to lose.
964
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:13,780
After the births of my children,
that was the best night of my life.
965
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:20,860
I honestly thought it would
be my last game for Barça
966
01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,740
because I'd had a really tough year.
967
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:28,300
It was thanks to Frank
that I played that day.
968
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:30,900
He was like a father to me.
969
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:35,940
And in the end,
we lifted the European Cup together.
970
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:43,620
After winning in Paris,
that magical point,
971
01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:48,660
that turning point for the club,
the following season wasn't that good.
972
01:03:48,780 --> 01:03:53,780
The leading players were not really
leading the group properly.
973
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:58,420
Maybe we had so much success so early
that maybe it was too early.
974
01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:02,340
Slowly, but steadily,
we were going in the wrong direction.
975
01:04:02,460 --> 01:04:06,300
The second season that I was here,
Rijkaard was still in charge.
976
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:12,660
I think it's one of the worst seasons
in the recent history of Barcelona,
977
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:14,060
where we came third.
978
01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:15,340
979
01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:18,180
We went backwards after winning in Paris
980
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:20,060
and winning the league.
981
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:25,460
We'd stopped competing.
we'd lost our fire, our hunger.
982
01:04:25,580 --> 01:04:28,540
You could sense through the
season that it was the end of an era.
983
01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:29,940
People wanted a change,
984
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:33,420
and I was part of the people
that they wanted out.
985
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:35,380
It was very difficult.
986
01:04:38,300 --> 01:04:39,420
987
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:42,060
I've only been sent off twice:
Once because the referee made a mistake
988
01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:43,620
and once at the Bernabéu.
989
01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:52,700
I felt angry and powerless.
990
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:54,620
They were running rings around us.
991
01:04:54,740 --> 01:05:00,020
Never mind 4-1, we could have lost 7-1.
992
01:05:00,140 --> 01:05:03,300
It was one of the worst nights
of my career,
993
01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:05,700
and the same goes for Puyol
and everyone else.
994
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:14,540
It just wasn't good enough.
Not for the standards people set here.
995
01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:16,340
Not good enough for the club.
996
01:05:16,460 --> 01:05:19,940
And not good enough
if you look at the players that we had.
997
01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:21,620
Something had to change.
998
01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:36,060
Mourinho does come out
of this story as the bad guy,
999
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:39,580
but in 2008,
he was a perfectly legitimate candidate
1000
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:42,220
to succeed the failing Frank Rijkaard.
1001
01:05:42,860 --> 01:05:43,860
He's a winner,
1002
01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:47,820
and it felt like a safer choice
because he was a big brand
1003
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:52,540
and he'd recently coached Chelsea, etc.,
and he was on the market.
1004
01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:53,660
1005
01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:55,340
It was a long process,
there were many board members
1006
01:05:55,460 --> 01:05:56,460
who wanted Mourinho.
1007
01:05:56,580 --> 01:06:02,900
They argued that we needed a manager
who would get results quickly.
1008
01:06:03,580 --> 01:06:07,700
Given there were four or five directors
keen on Mourinho,
1009
01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:14,500
the vice president organized
a meeting with him and off he went.
1010
01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:17,740
INGLA:
By that time he was employing the 4-3-3,
1011
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:19,420
he even prepared a PowerPoint
1012
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:24,340
with some pitch positions of the players
and typical movements.
1013
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:27,020
I'm sure he would have been successful.
1014
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:32,740
1015
01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:34,100
Mourinho helped us a lot
when we were young players.
1016
01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:40,500
Van Gaal often sent him
to take Barça B training.
1017
01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:43,340
1018
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:45,540
I was with the under-19s
and he'd coach us once a week.
1019
01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:51,780
It was the same style of football,
the Barça philosophy.
1020
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:53,180
1021
01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:55,620
The rondo, possession,
holding onto the ball, positional play.
1022
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:57,980
We worked on all of that with Mourinho.
1023
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:00,860
You could understand that Mourinho felt
1024
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:04,300
he should be in charge of making Barça
the greatest team in the world.
1025
01:07:04,660 --> 01:07:07,700
But by 2008,
Mourinho had changed radically.
1026
01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:12,460
It was about power, height,
athleticism, over technique.
1027
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:14,140
1028
01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:15,820
When he went to Chelsea,
1029
01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:19,860
Mourinho's philosophy of the game changed.
1030
01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:23,540
It's a very different style
to the football we play at Barça.
1031
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:27,460
1032
01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:30,460
We wanted to stay faithful
to Cruyff's philosophy.
1033
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:31,860
1034
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:36,980
The president and Johan were good friends,
1035
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:41,060
and Laporta had complete
confidence in Johan's opinion.
1036
01:07:41,180 --> 01:07:44,980
Johan told him the man for the job
was training the youth team.
1037
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:47,740
All he needed to do was promote him.
1038
01:07:48,180 --> 01:07:52,140
There's a lot of football players...
There were a lot of football players
1039
01:07:52,260 --> 01:07:54,540
that came to visit my father periodically.
1040
01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:55,660
My father loved that.
1041
01:07:55,780 --> 01:08:00,460
And I know Pep also loved that,
and I know that they were meeting a lot.
1042
01:08:00,580 --> 01:08:04,780
So when my father had,
what we could call a crazy idea
1043
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:07,660
that the coach who was in Barça B
in the third division,
1044
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:11,100
or the third level at the time, to say,
"Put him in the first team."
1045
01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:13,740
That's a big gamble.
1047
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:16,140
I asked them if they
thought Pep was ready,
1048
01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:20,620
and Txiki Begiristain and Johan,
who saw him regularly, said he was.
1049
01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:23,380
Mourinho's agent called me and said,
1050
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,860
"Are you going to appoint Mourinho or not?
1051
01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:30,780
Because if you're interested,
we need to talk."
1052
01:08:30,900 --> 01:08:34,020
And I said to him,
"No, Jorge. We've chosen Pep Guardiola."
1053
01:08:34,620 --> 01:08:37,300
So I told Pep that I wanted him
to be the next manager
1054
01:08:37,420 --> 01:08:39,180
if the season didn't end well.
1055
01:08:39,660 --> 01:08:46,660
We were having lunch and Pep,
half in jest, said to me,
1056
01:08:47,020 --> 01:08:51,100
"If you appoint me as coach
I'll win everything for you."
1057
01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:52,380
He honestly said that.
1059
01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:04,020
When I heard that Guardiola
would be our new manager,
1060
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:07,180
I knew that everything would go well.
1061
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:10,340
I hadn't worked with him as a coach
but we were teammates
1062
01:09:10,460 --> 01:09:13,860
and I knew what a perfectionist he was.
1063
01:09:13,980 --> 01:09:15,780
And I thought, this is going to be great.
1065
01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:21,220
In retrospect, it's remarkable,
but because of Euro 2008,
1066
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:25,020
Guardiola's appointment had garnered
very little media coverage in Spain
1067
01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:26,860
until the day of his presentation
1068
01:09:26,980 --> 01:09:31,100
when he sits there,
lean, young, full head of hair,
1069
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:33,540
the returning local hero and says,
1070
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:37,620
"Everything changes."
Ronaldinho, out! Deco, out!
1071
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:41,540
Eto'o, out!
Or, at best, third choice striker.
1072
01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:45,220
It was his statement of: "I'm in charge."
1074
01:09:46,860 --> 01:09:50,140
Just imagine what Samuel was like
when he heard that.
1075
01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:55,780
It was like an explosion.
1078
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:04,860
Given the kind of player I was,
1079
01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,620
and considering
what I'd done for the club,
1080
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:11,420
it would have been nice for Pep
to have called me with the news.
1081
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:13,580
It's always better
to be straight with people.
1082
01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:15,900
It was a big shock to find out that way.
1084
01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:22,340
Tactically, he's the best in the world.
I've always said that.
1085
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:24,420
He understands the game better
than anyone,
1086
01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:25,980
but I'll be even better
1087
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:28,500
because I'll be up front with people.
1088
01:10:29,180 --> 01:10:30,540
1089
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:32,740
Samuel took training seriously.
He trained as hard as he played.
1090
01:10:33,780 --> 01:10:35,620
Every manager loved Eto'o
1091
01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:40,460
but at training,
it was all or nothing with him
1092
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:42,540
and he often caused problems.
1093
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:47,180
I remember Rijkaard told me
we had to get rid of Samuel
1094
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:52,260
because he grabbed one of the assistants
by the scruff of the neck
1095
01:10:52,380 --> 01:10:54,660
for giving him offside in training.
1096
01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:57,180
But that passion is also good.
1097
01:10:57,660 --> 01:11:01,020
I remember the pre-season training camp
in St Andrews.
1098
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:02,460
We were all curious.
1099
01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:04,780
We'd sold Deco and Ronaldinho,
1100
01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:07,060
but I was keen to keep Eto'o,
1101
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:10,900
and I told him that I'd try to keep him.
1103
01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:13,260
He was brilliant during that pre-season.
1104
01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:16,180
He worked harder
and ran more than anyone else.
1105
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:21,340
In the pre-season games
he scored more than anyone.
1106
01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:25,620
So the captains went to see Pep...
1107
01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:27,860
I hope Pep doesn't get annoyed
I'm sharing this!
1108
01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:32,060
They told Pep that...
Eto'o would be a big help that season.
1109
01:11:33,020 --> 01:11:35,540
The guy they wanted to kick out
saved them.
1110
01:11:35,660 --> 01:11:37,820
Everyone talks about Messi these days,
1111
01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:40,820
but the one who made the difference
at Barça back then
1112
01:11:40,940 --> 01:11:42,900
wasn't Ronaldinho. It was Eto'o.
1113
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:46,660
When things got difficult,
it was me they all looked to.
1114
01:11:50,220 --> 01:11:52,620
The team could have played
without a manager.
1115
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,580
Guardiola's job was to reinstall
a desire to win,
1116
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:59,580
and he achieved that with his team talks.
1118
01:12:09,980 --> 01:12:12,140
After his first team talk in St Andrews...
1119
01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:16,380
I knew that something big
was about to happen.
1120
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:20,820
I'd never heard anyone convey
a message like that before.
1121
01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:26,340
At that moment,
everyone knew that things would go well.
1123
01:12:27,940 --> 01:12:28,980
Pep spoke to the players a lot.
1124
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:32,100
Maybe his most famous team talk
was when he said,
1125
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:36,060
"You can miss a penalty or mess up a pass.
1126
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:37,340
"You're only human.
1127
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:44,020
"But I'll never forgive you
if you don't give me 100%."
1128
01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:46,980
1129
01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:48,820
There are very few people
who communicate as well as he does.
1130
01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:54,500
He makes his players believe
in what they have to do.
1131
01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:57,420
And he convinces you that it will work.
1132
01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:59,380
From the first minute,
1133
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:06,140
we all believed that a change was coming
1134
01:13:06,260 --> 01:13:08,180
and that we could achieve big things.
1135
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:09,660
1136
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:12,900
Pep's team talks were exactly
what I needed.
1137
01:13:14,740 --> 01:13:17,380
He was so passionate when he spoke.
1138
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:19,260
I love a challenge.
1139
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:23,700
I really like having
to work at something important.
1140
01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:27,100
So when they told me everything
was going to change at Barça,
1141
01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:29,860
that a new coach
and new players were arriving,
1142
01:13:29,980 --> 01:13:32,180
I decided that was where I wanted to be.
1143
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:33,780
1144
01:13:33,980 --> 01:13:35,180
I joined up with the team
for pre-season
1145
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:36,860
and I needed to talk to Guardiola.
1146
01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:40,580
I told him I'd had offers
to join other teams.
1147
01:13:41,460 --> 01:13:43,940
Ten seconds is what it took.
1148
01:13:44,060 --> 01:13:47,740
He told me he had three or four line-ups
in mind
1149
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,540
and he couldn't imagine a single one
without me in it.
1150
01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:54,380
I told my brother, my agent
and everyone else
1151
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:56,260
not to listen to any other offers.
1152
01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:59,260
It was a good start in pre-season
1153
01:13:59,380 --> 01:14:00,780
and the freshness about the team
1154
01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:03,380
and a lot of hard work and well-prepared,
1155
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:05,980
but the season itself
didn't start that well.
1156
01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:18,860
I actually saw that game with my father,
here at home.
1157
01:14:18,980 --> 01:14:20,700
And they lost to Numancia.
1158
01:14:20,820 --> 01:14:23,980
And immediately the attacks,
"He's not prepared for this."
1159
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:26,780
My father said,
"It's one of the best games in years!"
1160
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:31,180
You know, come on! Give us a break!
It was not the best game.
1161
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:34,820
Most of us, including me,
probably saw the game and said,
1162
01:14:34,940 --> 01:14:36,740
"Wow! This doesn't smell good."
1163
01:14:37,180 --> 01:14:40,220
My father never looked
at the end product of 90 minutes.
1164
01:14:40,340 --> 01:14:43,420
My father looked at the end product
of many years to come.
1165
01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:50,340
1166
01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:56,460
It was really a big moment for myself,
1167
01:14:56,580 --> 01:15:00,660
and it was probably an even bigger
moment for the team and for the club
1168
01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:02,820
because we needed that victory.
1169
01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:05,460
If we'd drawn that game,
1170
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:08,540
the question marks would have started
flying around.
1171
01:15:09,860 --> 01:15:13,180
And once we found that click,
once we got that first victory,
1172
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:16,140
there was no stopping us.
1173
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:34,620
1174
01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:39,820
Guardiola taught us so much,
but he also explained why we did things.
1175
01:15:39,940 --> 01:15:42,300
Most of us already understood the reasons
1176
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:45,860
because we'd spent years at Barça,
1177
01:15:45,980 --> 01:15:49,060
but the guys from other clubs
noticed a huge change
1178
01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:50,980
when Guardiola took over.
1179
01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:56,380
1180
01:15:56,540 --> 01:16:01,420
He was the coach who completely
changed my outlook.
1181
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:08,180
When I arrived here he showed me
an entirely new way
1182
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:11,940
of seeing, playing,
and thinking about football.
1183
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:14,180
1184
01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:18,220
It always reminded me of the tactics
of a basketball team,
1185
01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:21,540
when they have the ball
and start signaling to each other
1186
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:23,900
that they're going to try a certain play.
1187
01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:25,420
It was a bit like that.
1188
01:16:28,180 --> 01:16:29,300
It was fantastic.
1189
01:16:29,420 --> 01:16:31,500
I was never allowed to kick the ball long,
1190
01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:35,580
and from the very first minute
I was involved in the tactics.
1191
01:16:35,700 --> 01:16:38,340
So I had to really concentrate
all the time,
1192
01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:45,300
which meant every match
flew by really fast.
1193
01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:49,620
It was great because I'd been used to
a more direct style of football
1194
01:16:49,740 --> 01:16:55,180
and sometimes all I'd be thinking about
was how boring the games were.
1195
01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:56,620
1196
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:57,900
1197
01:16:58,020 --> 01:17:00,820
I was in my element because Guardiola
and I shared the same philosophy.
1198
01:17:00,940 --> 01:17:05,940
I'd think, don't clear it, pass it,
and Guardiola would say exactly that.
1199
01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:12,060
But my football philosophy
isn't the same as Abidal's or Henry's
1200
01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:14,940
or Hleb's or Yaya Toure's.
1201
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:20,780
They thought they were playing well,
and at other clubs they would have been.
1202
01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:23,580
Not at Barça.
It's a different kind of football.
1203
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:27,060
Whoa, hang on! That's new.
Let me assess it. Let me see it.
1204
01:17:27,180 --> 01:17:29,580
Let me put my pride on the side, also.
1205
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:34,100
Because that team had a lot of guys
that are all kings in their country.
1206
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:37,460
To tell a guy that used to do
maybe stuff or whatever,
1207
01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:40,500
"No, stay there. Don't do that.
Make that run for him."
1208
01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:44,660
"What? What do you mean?
I can play football too!"
1209
01:17:45,180 --> 01:17:46,860
Pep's methods were different.
1210
01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:49,820
He was very hands-on, always intervening.
1211
01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:53,020
I remember Abidal and a few others
coming to me and saying,
1212
01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:55,340
"This guy's changing everything!"
1213
01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:57,620
1214
01:17:57,700 --> 01:17:58,980
I wasn't some 15-year-old kid.
1215
01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:03,380
If you treat me with respect,
I'll do the same in return,
1216
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:05,420
but if not, why should I respect you?
1217
01:18:05,540 --> 01:18:08,260
So I said to Pep,
"You can't speak to me like that."
1218
01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:11,300
I went to the president and told him,
"If this continues, I'm off."
1219
01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:15,580
Abi came from Lyon,
where he had another way of playing.
1220
01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:18,820
Look at the Abidal that arrived,
1221
01:18:19,740 --> 01:18:22,340
and look at the Abidal three years after.
1222
01:18:23,060 --> 01:18:26,180
Crosses, putting the ball down
and passing it out.
1223
01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:28,380
Before he would have cleared it
straight away.
1224
01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:32,180
He wouldn't have been that composed
in the last third.
1225
01:18:33,060 --> 01:18:34,180
1226
01:18:34,340 --> 01:18:37,860
I think Pep's a football genius.
1227
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:44,460
Sometimes he can be a bit controlling,
checking every last detail.
1228
01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:46,460
Some guys accept and respect that,
1229
01:18:46,580 --> 01:18:51,020
but there are others who say,
"You know where you can stick that."
1230
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:53,300
I arrived here. I was 21.
1231
01:18:53,420 --> 01:18:57,460
And for me it was like love and hate
at the same time
1232
01:18:57,580 --> 01:19:02,060
because every minute of your life,
you have to be focused on football.
1233
01:19:02,180 --> 01:19:05,220
Twelve o'clock you have to go to bed
to sleep.
1234
01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:09,500
You have to eat well.
He wants to control you in every way.
1235
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:13,220
"Don't go and watch the tennis,
don't stay under the sun,
1236
01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:15,780
don't go to the Formula 1,
don't go to this.
1237
01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:17,100
We're here on a mission."
1238
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:21,220
He wanted to know everything.
What we ate, what we... Whatever!
1239
01:19:21,780 --> 01:19:23,380
He was so obsessed
1240
01:19:23,500 --> 01:19:29,620
that sometimes we had some arguments
between him and me.
1241
01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:30,900
1242
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:32,700
Gerard is one of my best friends,
1243
01:19:32,780 --> 01:19:36,740
but I believe a manager
has to be like that.
1244
01:19:36,860 --> 01:19:39,420
During training,
we always had to give 100%,
1245
01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:41,820
but I'd done that my entire career.
1246
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:44,340
In my opinion,
that's how football should be.
1247
01:19:44,580 --> 01:19:46,500
On the one hand, he was very demanding.
1248
01:19:46,620 --> 01:19:50,900
We all had to have lunch
at the training ground every day.
1249
01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:53,060
He controlled our weight, what we ate.
1250
01:19:53,180 --> 01:19:56,460
He completely revolutionized
the team's diet.
1251
01:19:56,580 --> 01:19:59,820
But on the other hand,
he gave us the night off before matches.
1252
01:20:00,740 --> 01:20:04,380
As a player, he always complained
that we spent too much time in hotels.
1253
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:05,620
1254
01:20:05,740 --> 01:20:08,860
Initially, it seemed like
a strange decision
1255
01:20:08,980 --> 01:20:11,020
because we weren't used to it,
1256
01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:14,980
but I think it was one of the
best decisions he made.
1257
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:18,340
For me where Pep was,
at times, ahead of the game...
1258
01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:22,380
The fact that, Champions League final,
1259
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:27,460
in the hotel: family, kids, wives.
1260
01:20:27,540 --> 01:20:29,420
My brother was in my room, midnight.
1261
01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:35,580
Girlfriend, friends, we're just talking,
I made a cup of coffee, chilling.
1262
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:37,420
You play for any other team,
1263
01:20:37,540 --> 01:20:42,780
"Don't do this, don't do that. No.
You have to concentrate."
1264
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:44,220
1265
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:49,020
We were lucky because Pep
had only recently retired
1266
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:53,620
and he understood what the life
of a top footballer was like.
1267
01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:56,340
1268
01:20:56,420 --> 01:20:59,180
We'd go to every training session
and match with a spring in our step
1269
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:01,940
because he was treating us well.
He understood us.
1270
01:21:02,940 --> 01:21:07,020
Listen, I say it
every single time to my friends.
1271
01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:09,580
When the ref was blowing the whistle,
1272
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:13,860
I used to look at the time and say,
"Already?"
1273
01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:16,140
I didn't want the game to end.
1274
01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:20,660
I didn't want the game to end.
I was like, "I'm enjoying this."
1275
01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:22,740
1276
01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:25,260
We had a great teacher
and we were like sponges,
1277
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:27,740
absorbing everything he taught us.
1278
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:30,540
It makes no difference
how great the teacher is
1279
01:21:30,660 --> 01:21:35,340
if the students aren't capable
of understanding the message.
1280
01:21:35,460 --> 01:21:38,980
It all came together perfectly.
1281
01:21:43,340 --> 01:21:44,420
1282
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:45,660
We won everything
because we were the best team,
1283
01:21:45,780 --> 01:21:48,860
but we also had the luck of champions.
1284
01:21:48,980 --> 01:21:51,300
There were some epic moments that season.
1285
01:21:51,420 --> 01:21:56,460
Like when winning the Cup
hinged on one crucial moment
1286
01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:59,140
when Pinto saved a penalty
against Mallorca.
1287
01:22:00,540 --> 01:22:03,580
1288
01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:07,940
1289
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:09,140
We were losing 1-0,
1290
01:22:09,260 --> 01:22:14,820
and at the start of the second half
we conceded a penalty
1291
01:22:14,940 --> 01:22:17,580
and Martín Cáceres was sent off.
1292
01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:24,700
So I thought I'd try
and unsettle the penalty taker.
1293
01:22:25,260 --> 01:22:27,700
I said, "Where are you going to put
the penalty?"
1294
01:22:27,820 --> 01:22:32,140
He didn't answer, so I said,
"I'm going to dive that way."
1295
01:22:32,260 --> 01:22:36,340
And I got lucky,
I went the right way and made the save.
1296
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:40,980
It gave us a massive boost.
1297
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:43,140
And then Leo came on.
1298
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:46,260
He got fouled,
their defender was sent off,
1299
01:22:46,380 --> 01:22:47,980
and he scored a wonder-goal.
1300
01:22:48,980 --> 01:22:50,220
1301
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:53,660
In La Liga, if we lost at the Bernabéu,
they'd have cut the gap at the top.
1302
01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:56,580
But we won 6-2, which won us the league.
1303
01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:58,140
That was the key game.
1304
01:22:58,260 --> 01:23:00,740
They were four points behind us,
1305
01:23:00,860 --> 01:23:04,500
and if they beat us,
it was really tough to win the league.
1306
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:07,660
But we played
one of the best games I've ever seen.
1307
01:23:15,340 --> 01:23:16,700
1308
01:23:16,820 --> 01:23:18,100
I really enjoyed it.
It was one of the best games ever.
1309
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:20,820
When I die, I'll probably
be thinking about that night.
1310
01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:22,140
1311
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:24,300
Puyol kissing the captain's armband
Messi scoring goals,
1312
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:27,780
and Henry and Piqué. Oh, fantastic!
1313
01:23:28,780 --> 01:23:32,940
I obviously had to behave appropriately
but what a feeling!
1314
01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:53,340
It's weird because it's eight years ago.
1315
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:57,660
I always watch it on television.
I've watched that goal a hundred times.
1316
01:23:57,780 --> 01:24:03,380
So I always remember this image.
I cannot remember what I felt.
1317
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:07,220
Obviously,
it was like an unbelievable feeling
1318
01:24:07,340 --> 01:24:09,580
because it was a tremendous game.
1319
01:24:10,460 --> 01:24:11,740
1320
01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:14,980
But the 6-2 was extra special
because of our tactics.
1321
01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:19,420
That's when that fake nine
whole thing started.
1322
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:23,220
1323
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:24,700
Pep called me the day before the game
1324
01:24:24,820 --> 01:24:27,420
and told me to come down
to the training ground.
1325
01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:30,700
He was keen to discuss a new position.
1326
01:24:30,820 --> 01:24:33,740
He'd been watching videos
of games with Tito.
1327
01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:36,420
He said he wanted
to try something different.
1328
01:24:36,540 --> 01:24:39,460
The red glasses are Barça,
the others are Real Madrid.
1329
01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:41,100
Pep changed our system
1330
01:24:41,220 --> 01:24:44,660
and told Henry to play
between the right-back and center-back,
1331
01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:47,260
with Eto'o between
the center-back and left-back.
1332
01:24:47,380 --> 01:24:51,140
Guardiola had analyzed
the Madrid center-backs
1333
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:55,940
and noticed they never came out
to press the number nine.
1334
01:24:58,060 --> 01:25:01,100
Thanks to the false nine,
we outnumbered them in midfield
1335
01:25:01,220 --> 01:25:03,020
when Messi dropped back.
1336
01:25:03,140 --> 01:25:06,380
We always had an extra man.
1337
01:25:07,260 --> 01:25:11,140
Pep said we'd outnumber them
throughout the entire game.
1338
01:25:11,220 --> 01:25:12,300
He was right.
1339
01:25:12,420 --> 01:25:14,060
We'd never played that way,
1340
01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:15,500
1341
01:25:15,660 --> 01:25:19,900
so Madrid hadn't studied
the possibility of us playing like that.
1342
01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:22,660
The center-backs
didn't know whether to mark me or not,
1343
01:25:22,780 --> 01:25:27,220
which meant I had lots of space
when I dropped back.
1344
01:25:27,340 --> 01:25:30,140
And as soon as the defenders came out
to close me down,
1345
01:25:30,260 --> 01:25:32,860
Eto'o and Henry made runs in behind.
1346
01:25:32,980 --> 01:25:35,380
That's what happened
for Henry's first goal.
1347
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:38,460
It was a great performance.
1348
01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:41,420
And it worked out because on that goal
that Leo gave me
1349
01:25:41,540 --> 01:25:42,980
that's exactly what happened.
1350
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:46,780
He was in a position where they didn't
know if they have to come and get him,
1351
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:50,340
but I'm running in behind,
Sam was running on the other side,
1352
01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:51,860
and it worked out.
1353
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:55,660
1354
01:25:55,740 --> 01:26:00,100
It wasn't so robotic
because we also improvised.
1355
01:26:00,220 --> 01:26:02,300
Robots would be like,
1356
01:26:02,420 --> 01:26:06,020
"I. Go. Here. Now. I. Go. There."
1357
01:26:06,140 --> 01:26:08,940
No. There was always room to be creative.
1358
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:15,940
But 60% of our match strategy
was set in stone before kick-off.
1359
01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:19,940
The other 40% was down
to our improvisations.
1360
01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:25,820
1361
01:26:25,940 --> 01:26:27,380
In the Champions League,
1362
01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:31,980
if it hadn't been for Iniesta's goal,
we were out.
1363
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:33,780
A 92nd-minute goal.
1364
01:26:43,820 --> 01:26:45,340
1365
01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:50,020
I was sat with the captain Carles Puyol,
who was suspended.
1366
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:51,540
Bam, Chelsea go 1-0 up.
1367
01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:53,820
And Puyol said to me,
1368
01:26:53,940 --> 01:26:58,580
"Don't worry, it's fine.
We'll score at the end."
1369
01:26:58,700 --> 01:27:04,900
There I was watching it and I'm like,
"Oh, my gosh! We are gonna lose here."
1370
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:06,460
1371
01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:08,460
The minutes kept ticking away,
and I didn't have the nerve to say,
1372
01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:12,260
"Look skipper, you were wrong!
This ain't gonna happen!"
1373
01:27:12,860 --> 01:27:14,340
1374
01:27:14,460 --> 01:27:17,100
I knew that if we could just hold on,
1375
01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:22,860
because we were under the cosh,
we'd definitely create one last chance.
1376
01:27:22,980 --> 01:27:26,340
And then little Andrés arrived
to save the day.
1377
01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:51,140
1378
01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:55,820
Every time I watch that goal,
it sparks so many emotions
1379
01:27:55,940 --> 01:28:00,020
because it was such
a significant moment for my club.
1380
01:28:00,820 --> 01:28:03,220
I'll never get tired of watching it.
1381
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:04,580
1382
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:06,420
It's because of moments like this
that we love football.
1383
01:28:09,340 --> 01:28:12,660
The only thing that beats it is sex.
1384
01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:13,940
1385
01:28:14,020 --> 01:28:15,340
That was the most important goal
in this whole story.
1386
01:28:15,460 --> 01:28:17,780
If we hadn't reached that final in Rome,
1387
01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:21,340
we probably wouldn't
still be talking about Pep's Barça.
1388
01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:31,700
I don't know how I played.
1389
01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:38,300
Iniesta... I don't know how he played.
1390
01:28:38,780 --> 01:28:41,700
We were on a mission.
We didn't want to let that one go.
1391
01:28:42,020 --> 01:28:43,740
1392
01:28:43,900 --> 01:28:45,980
We had a chance to win the treble.
1393
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:50,140
We'd just gone
through the drama of Stamford Bridge.
1394
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:55,100
When we won the Champions League
against Arsenal in Paris,
1395
01:28:55,220 --> 01:28:56,940
I wasn't picked to start.
1396
01:28:57,060 --> 01:28:59,900
So I had to play this time.
1397
01:29:00,020 --> 01:29:04,820
No matter the risk
or possible consequences.
1398
01:29:04,940 --> 01:29:05,980
1399
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:07,620
I advised him not to shoot
powerfully from distance
1400
01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:13,980
because there was a big risk
he'd tear his muscle again.
1401
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:15,580
Yaya played center back.
1402
01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:18,580
Sylvinho wasn't even playing
that season, he played.
1403
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:20,100
Puyol played right back.
1404
01:29:20,220 --> 01:29:22,660
Some people were like,
"Hmm, people are missing.
1405
01:29:22,780 --> 01:29:25,100
Two guys are starting injured."
1406
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:26,460
1407
01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:28,380
We knew we'd win the game,
because Pep told us we'd win.
1408
01:29:28,500 --> 01:29:30,140
Pep's a genius.
1409
01:29:30,260 --> 01:29:35,020
He'd tell us exactly
what we needed to do in order to win.
1410
01:29:35,140 --> 01:29:36,540
I hope he will never change
1411
01:29:36,660 --> 01:29:41,420
because he is, for me,
the future of the game.
1412
01:29:41,540 --> 01:29:42,620
1413
01:29:42,820 --> 01:29:44,220
Some matches looked impossible to win,
1414
01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:48,260
but after 20 minutes,
we'd have them wrapped up,
1415
01:29:48,860 --> 01:29:52,460
like the game
against Manchester United in Rome.
1416
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:56,100
What manager would show you a video
1417
01:29:57,580 --> 01:29:59,140
five minutes before
a Champions League final?
1418
01:29:59,220 --> 01:30:00,300
Only him.
1419
01:30:00,420 --> 01:30:04,380
We don't know what was happening.
We go inside. There's a screen.
1420
01:30:05,220 --> 01:30:08,340
The boss asks us to stand
in front of the screen
1421
01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:10,580
and we are basically waiting.
1422
01:30:10,660 --> 01:30:12,060
1423
01:30:12,180 --> 01:30:14,380
Pep and Tito had made a spectacular video
1424
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:16,300
featuring every single one of us.
1425
01:30:16,420 --> 01:30:19,500
With the music of Gladiator,
I think it was.
1426
01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:23,340
-We see the whole journey to the final.
1427
01:30:24,580 --> 01:30:28,300
Sad moments, good moments, struggles.
1428
01:30:29,660 --> 01:30:31,260
1429
01:30:31,340 --> 01:30:35,260
After Iniesta's goal at Stamford Bridge
I got a text message from Pep...
1430
01:30:35,380 --> 01:30:38,620
"I need your help to win
the Champions League."
1431
01:30:38,740 --> 01:30:43,820
The first feedback I received
was on the night before the game.
1432
01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:48,340
Pep gathered his technical staff
and showed them the video.
1433
01:30:48,460 --> 01:30:49,700
1434
01:30:49,780 --> 01:30:50,900
As soon as I saw it,
1435
01:30:51,020 --> 01:30:54,220
I honestly knew we'd win
the Champions League final.
1436
01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:59,940
It was so powerful.
It was... It was so powerful
1437
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:04,100
that I would say, also,
it was too powerful.
1438
01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:05,500
1439
01:31:05,660 --> 01:31:09,180
As a motivational tool,
the video was a total disaster.
1440
01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:11,900
In the opening ten minutes,
if it wasn't for Víctor...
1441
01:31:16,980 --> 01:31:18,140
they'd have scored twice!
1442
01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:19,780
1443
01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:21,660
Er... the boss was very sentimental.
1444
01:31:22,020 --> 01:31:25,220
I went to the dressing room
and was told I couldn't go in.
1445
01:31:25,300 --> 01:31:26,380
"What?"
1446
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:28,740
They said the boss
was preparing something.
1447
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:31,540
When we finally got in,
we had no time to prepare
1448
01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:32,860
and it was sweltering hot.
1449
01:31:32,980 --> 01:31:37,820
Then he showed us a video
that had all of us in tears.
1450
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:41,700
We went onto the pitch
and Andrea Bocelli was singing,
1451
01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:43,620
which almost set us off again.
1452
01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:47,580
Manchester United must have wondered
what was wrong with us.
1453
01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:50,780
We were in pieces.
1454
01:31:50,900 --> 01:31:54,180
After the video, he said,
"Guys, at the end of the game,
1455
01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:57,060
"I want people to say
that we can play football.
1456
01:31:58,180 --> 01:31:59,420
"Have a good game."
1457
01:32:19,380 --> 01:32:22,620
We went into the game believing
we had a great chance of winning.
1458
01:32:22,740 --> 01:32:26,700
The first, might've been ten,
15 minutes, we started really well.
1459
01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:30,180
Probably out of nowhere,
I've headed one down in midfield,
1460
01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:33,380
Iniesta's picked it up,
made a run, and all of a sudden,
1461
01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:35,420
boom, Eto'o and you're one down.
1462
01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:39,020
Maybe from that moment on they just...
1463
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:42,620
That was what they needed.
Take a deep breath,
1464
01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:44,660
just get the ball and start passing it,
1465
01:32:44,780 --> 01:32:47,060
and gradually, sucking the life out of us.
1466
01:32:47,180 --> 01:32:51,620
You know when you play against someone
and you look in their eyes,
1467
01:32:51,740 --> 01:32:53,460
and it's over.
1468
01:32:53,580 --> 01:32:55,540
I think it was Wayne Rooney.
1469
01:32:55,660 --> 01:32:58,420
He was trying to get the ball
and we were keeping the ball,
1470
01:32:58,540 --> 01:33:02,740
and you could see the look.
He was defeated.
1471
01:33:02,860 --> 01:33:07,980
The quality they had, on the night,
was too good for us.
1472
01:33:08,660 --> 01:33:11,180
That was the one, for us,
that hurt the most.
1473
01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:13,940
It took me quite some time
to get over that.
1474
01:33:14,060 --> 01:33:15,580
1475
01:33:15,660 --> 01:33:18,220
We knew it would be historic
to win the treble in our first year
1476
01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:21,500
playing our brand of football,
with the players we had.
1477
01:33:21,620 --> 01:33:25,620
And after Leo made it 2-0,
we knew the trophy was ours.
1478
01:33:25,740 --> 01:33:27,020
1479
01:33:27,140 --> 01:33:29,180
It was exactly how I'd visualized it.
1480
01:33:29,820 --> 01:33:33,500
The ball looped over the goalkeeper
and in.
1481
01:33:33,620 --> 01:33:36,060
It was an unforgettable moment.
1482
01:33:55,740 --> 01:33:59,300
It was a statement of greatness
to begin your reign with a treble.
1483
01:33:59,420 --> 01:34:03,140
But the football reached its high point
at Wembley in 2011,
1484
01:34:03,260 --> 01:34:06,940
before which, Johan Cruyff said
that Guardiola should probably
1485
01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:08,780
walk away from the job
1486
01:34:08,900 --> 01:34:12,900
after three hugely intense years
and ten trophies lifted.
1487
01:34:13,020 --> 01:34:15,020
Everything had come at a cost.
1488
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:17,660
A significant part of that cost
1489
01:34:17,780 --> 01:34:21,180
was that Pep was now getting on
far less well with his employers,
1490
01:34:21,300 --> 01:34:24,500
given that Joan Laporta had ended
his presidential reign,
1491
01:34:24,620 --> 01:34:28,700
and the new guy, Sandro Rosell,
had taken over.
1492
01:34:28,820 --> 01:34:33,500
In his final year,
Guardiola was frustrated and tired.
1493
01:34:33,620 --> 01:34:36,820
Given the burnout that we saw in him
in year four,
1494
01:34:36,940 --> 01:34:40,180
I'll bet you that Guardiola thinks
that Cruyff had it exactly right.
1495
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:41,380
1496
01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:42,740
Pep had become very uptight.
1497
01:34:42,860 --> 01:34:45,980
He stressed about things
that hadn't bothered him before.
1498
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:51,020
We played a pre-season game
at the Dallas Cowboys stadium,
1499
01:34:52,540 --> 01:34:56,180
and I overheard Guardiola
talking to Puyol and Piqué.
1500
01:34:56,620 --> 01:34:59,580
It was an unimportant pre-season friendly
1501
01:34:59,700 --> 01:35:04,500
but Guardiola raised his voice to them.
1502
01:35:05,660 --> 01:35:10,220
When I saw that, I said to Andrés Iniesta,
1503
01:35:10,340 --> 01:35:12,380
"He's leaving. This is his last year."
1504
01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:14,500
1505
01:35:14,580 --> 01:35:16,900
Even geniuses make mistakes
and Pep definitely got that wrong
1506
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:20,860
because it felt like
we didn't matter to him anymore.
1507
01:35:20,940 --> 01:35:22,220
1508
01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:27,140
We didn't know what was going on with Pep,
1509
01:35:27,260 --> 01:35:31,500
which caused some uncertainty
within the group.
1510
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:36,660
Pep usually renewed his contract
in February or March,
1511
01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:39,620
but February passed with no news.
1512
01:35:39,740 --> 01:35:43,540
Then March passed
and we still didn't know anything.
1513
01:35:43,660 --> 01:35:45,060
1514
01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:47,420
I really struggled to understand
what was happening.
1515
01:35:49,820 --> 01:35:54,460
And we had a few bust-ups about it.
1516
01:35:54,580 --> 01:35:58,500
That year, if Pep had told me
to jump from the Camp Nou stands,
1517
01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:02,860
I'd have sprinted down the steps.
I wouldn't have jumped!
1518
01:36:02,980 --> 01:36:04,260
1519
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:06,620
When you work with the same
coaching staff for so long,
1520
01:36:06,740 --> 01:36:09,500
relationships change.
1521
01:36:09,620 --> 01:36:14,180
It's very difficult to maintain
the dynamic and to keep on winning.
1522
01:36:14,300 --> 01:36:17,940
We won the Copa del Rey Final
in his last game,
1523
01:36:18,060 --> 01:36:22,100
and it was the perfect end
to his time with us.
1524
01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:29,860
1525
01:36:29,940 --> 01:36:33,900
That day everyone got to see
the team he had built again.
1526
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,700
After 30 minutes, we were leading 3-0
1527
01:36:37,820 --> 01:36:44,260
against the best Athletic Bilbao
side in years.
1528
01:36:44,820 --> 01:36:48,300
Signing off by winning
the Copa del Rey in that style
1529
01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:52,140
on his last night in charge
should have been the perfect send-off,
1530
01:36:52,260 --> 01:36:56,460
but he walked away
with a distinctly bittersweet feeling.
1531
01:36:57,660 --> 01:37:01,980
Mostly because he felt ill-treated
and under-appreciated.
1532
01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:10,300
1533
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:15,540
My lasting memory of that cup final
is a sense of sadness.
1534
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:21,420
It was the end of something wonderful,
so it's normal to feel sad.
1535
01:37:21,980 --> 01:37:24,700
But there was something else
that troubled me.
1536
01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:30,780
The attempts to demolish and destroy
everything we'd achieved.
1537
01:37:30,900 --> 01:37:34,580
I don't understand the motivation.
Things had gone well and we'd won!
1538
01:37:34,700 --> 01:37:38,020
Surely that's what you hold onto,
that's what you remember.
1539
01:37:38,140 --> 01:37:42,300
But no, they didn't care
about what we'd achieved.
1540
01:37:42,420 --> 01:37:46,860
All they did was focus on the negatives.
1541
01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:49,700
I think the club's got a problem.
1542
01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:52,260
1543
01:37:52,340 --> 01:37:53,780
Barça is a bit strange in that respect.
1544
01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:56,780
I've learned the most important thing
in life is to be grateful
1545
01:37:56,900 --> 01:38:00,820
to the people who make
a difference in your life.
1546
01:38:00,940 --> 01:38:04,940
After everything he'd done for the club,
1547
01:38:05,060 --> 01:38:08,340
Guardiola didn't get
the recognition he deserved.
1548
01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:15,100
1549
01:38:15,180 --> 01:38:16,820
Announcing his departure
at a press conference
1550
01:38:16,940 --> 01:38:20,340
and then immediately revealing
who would replace him
1551
01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:25,700
in front of the whole squad
and the board members...
1552
01:38:26,460 --> 01:38:29,980
I don't think it was the right way
to say goodbye to the boss.
1553
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:32,220
1554
01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:34,420
On the advice of the director
of football, Andoni Zubizarreta
1555
01:38:35,260 --> 01:38:37,620
and after consulting the board,
1556
01:38:37,740 --> 01:38:41,140
I can announce that the next Barça coach
will be Tito Vilanova.
1557
01:38:42,980 --> 01:38:44,260
1558
01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:46,420
I think they should build a statue
of Pep at the Camp Nou.
1559
01:38:47,540 --> 01:38:50,220
In the president's box.
1560
01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:51,940
That's what I think anyway.
1561
01:38:52,060 --> 01:38:53,540
1562
01:38:53,620 --> 01:38:55,660
The best way to remember Guardiola's Barça
1563
01:38:55,780 --> 01:38:58,580
is to put on a DVD
and watch the matches we played
1564
01:38:58,700 --> 01:39:02,620
during his four seasons here as manager.
1565
01:39:11,300 --> 01:39:12,340
1566
01:39:12,420 --> 01:39:13,580
He invented a new way of playing.
1567
01:39:13,660 --> 01:39:15,860
He had a special group of players,
1568
01:39:15,980 --> 01:39:18,220
but he knew exactly what to do with them.
1569
01:39:18,860 --> 01:39:21,140
He followed the philosophy of his maestro,
1570
01:39:21,260 --> 01:39:23,260
the man who taught us all, Johan Cruyff.
1571
01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:47,660
1572
01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:49,500
It's a bit like the best cars.
1573
01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:52,540
Cruyff was the first great model,
the Mark 1
1574
01:39:52,660 --> 01:39:54,220
and Pep is the Mark 2.
1575
01:39:56,820 --> 01:40:02,660
But I think Xavi
will be in the same league
1576
01:40:02,780 --> 01:40:04,740
when he returns as coach.
1577
01:40:04,860 --> 01:40:10,460
When he comes back, he'll be the Mark 3.
1578
01:40:11,900 --> 01:40:16,180
In my father's mind,
he was always el listo de la clase,
1579
01:40:16,300 --> 01:40:19,580
the intelligent one of the class,
the clever guy.
1580
01:40:19,700 --> 01:40:21,980
The only problem will be that
when already now
1581
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:25,540
everybody is pumping this up,
then the pressure's too high.
1582
01:40:25,900 --> 01:40:28,260
But if he follows his way,
little by little,
1583
01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:30,740
calm, like Pep did,
then you're ready for it.
1584
01:40:30,860 --> 01:40:33,780
And I hope Xavi one day will do that.
1585
01:40:33,860 --> 01:40:35,060
1586
01:40:35,140 --> 01:40:36,460
Barça's future needs to be in the hands
1587
01:40:36,580 --> 01:40:42,660
of someone with Xavi's talent and vision.
1588
01:40:44,140 --> 01:40:45,580
1589
01:40:45,700 --> 01:40:50,420
I've got no doubt that he'll be back
as a coach one day.
1590
01:40:50,540 --> 01:40:54,820
He deserves the chance
1591
01:40:54,940 --> 01:40:57,060
because of the type of player he was here.
1592
01:40:57,180 --> 01:40:59,340
He'll make an amazing manager.
1593
01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:02,860
As a player he saw the whole picture
from the pitch.
1594
01:41:02,980 --> 01:41:05,620
I'm sure from the side-lines,
he'll see it even clearer.
1595
01:41:05,740 --> 01:41:07,260
He'll be back one day.
1596
01:41:07,380 --> 01:41:12,820
I don't know when
but he wants to come back.
1597
01:41:12,940 --> 01:41:17,940
And he has the same
football philosophy as Pep.
1598
01:41:18,700 --> 01:41:20,020
1599
01:41:20,140 --> 01:41:21,700
The world is watching us
because they see we're different.
1600
01:41:21,820 --> 01:41:24,420
And they're right, we are.
1601
01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:27,220
But now we have a huge responsibility
1602
01:41:27,340 --> 01:41:30,420
to ensure that all of this
continues to grow.
1603
01:41:32,140 --> 01:41:33,500
1604
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:36,940
The one thing that has never changed
1605
01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:41,820
in all my years here
is the way we play football.
1606
01:41:42,460 --> 01:41:47,820
Players come and go,
but the philosophy never changes.
1607
01:41:48,340 --> 01:41:49,580
1608
01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:51,140
We believe in this philosophy,
1609
01:41:51,260 --> 01:41:56,180
which is improved every year
and by each Barça manager.
1610
01:41:56,300 --> 01:41:58,220
But the day things start to go wrong,
1611
01:41:58,340 --> 01:42:01,580
and let's hope
that isn't for another 200 years,
1612
01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:04,540
but if it happens, we must never consider
1613
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:07,380
changing our playing style.
1614
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:10,860
Our unique philosophy
should never change. Never.
1615
01:42:45,460 --> 01:42:46,540
1616
01:42:46,620 --> 01:42:47,820
This documentary can't end
1617
01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:51,620
without asking you
about your memories of those four years.
1618
01:42:52,300 --> 01:42:53,700
1619
01:42:53,780 --> 01:42:58,100
When I think about that time it fills me
with nostalgia and happiness.
1620
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:03,580
In my opinion, during those four years,
1621
01:43:03,700 --> 01:43:08,980
all the stars aligned
at the perfect moment.
1622
01:43:09,580 --> 01:43:15,340
The fundamental reason for the success
was the immense talent of those players.
1623
01:43:16,780 --> 01:43:18,420
It's them who have to perform.
1624
01:43:18,540 --> 01:43:22,740
I like to use golf as an example,
because as managers we're caddies.
1625
01:43:22,860 --> 01:43:26,780
We hand the club to the player,
but they get the ball on the green
1626
01:43:26,900 --> 01:43:28,220
and put it in the hole.
1627
01:43:40,940 --> 01:43:42,220
1628
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:44,940
Everyone played their part
and everyone knew their role.
1629
01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:48,540
They all knew Messi was the best
and no one wanted to take his crown.
1630
01:43:48,660 --> 01:43:52,020
The home-grown players
had very important roles.
1631
01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:54,380
The foreign players played their part too.
1632
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:58,180
It all unfolded naturally
without having to tell players,
1633
01:43:58,940 --> 01:44:04,660
"You have to do this
or you have to do that."
1634
01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,420
The roles within the group were shared out
1635
01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:10,980
and if anyone didn't like it, they left.
1636
01:44:12,220 --> 01:44:18,100
That was how we built something special
and kept it going for so long.
1637
01:44:28,580 --> 01:44:29,740
1638
01:44:29,860 --> 01:44:30,900
I think we provoked an emotional reaction.
1639
01:44:31,020 --> 01:44:35,580
When you remember titles,
really they're just numbers
1640
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:37,020
and nothing more.
1641
01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:42,020
But there were a lot of people
who really loved watching us play.
1642
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:58,660
1643
01:44:58,780 --> 01:45:00,260
We all remember the two
Champions League finals,
1644
01:45:00,380 --> 01:45:01,700
especially the second one.
1645
01:45:02,220 --> 01:45:05,260
For around 20-25 minutes,
1646
01:45:05,380 --> 01:45:09,900
from the 46th minute until our third,
we were tremendous.
1647
01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:13,980
That was a perfect illustration
of how we wanted them to play.
1648
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:17,900
We were a young group of coaches
1649
01:45:18,660 --> 01:45:21,340
trying to convince
a team of unique players
1650
01:45:22,540 --> 01:45:26,780
to do something different
and it worked well for four years.
1651
01:45:32,820 --> 01:45:34,060
1652
01:45:34,220 --> 01:45:36,660
People become managers
for all kinds of different reasons.
1653
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:39,020
My motivation is tactics.
1654
01:45:39,140 --> 01:45:41,060
That's why I became a coach,
1655
01:45:41,420 --> 01:45:44,420
to dissect the game and find solutions.
1656
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:46,460
The basic concept,
1657
01:45:46,580 --> 01:45:53,580
which Johan Cruyff injected into our veins
1658
01:45:54,140 --> 01:45:56,700
many years ago,
1659
01:45:56,820 --> 01:46:00,780
was that doing the simple things well
gave you a 75% chance of winning.
1660
01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:03,660
And one of the simplest things
is passing the ball.
1661
01:46:03,780 --> 01:46:05,980
After that, things get more complicated.
1662
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:08,460
But the pass is what unites the group.
1663
01:46:09,260 --> 01:46:13,780
The ball is moved around the pitch
from one player to another.
1664
01:46:13,900 --> 01:46:18,500
Everyone participates in the game plan
by making that pass.
1665
01:46:18,980 --> 01:46:22,740
That's what we worked on from day one.
1666
01:46:34,820 --> 01:46:36,140
1667
01:46:36,260 --> 01:46:39,380
I'm often asked if it was
the greatest team ever
1668
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:41,220
or one of the greatest.
1669
01:46:41,340 --> 01:46:45,940
And it's a question that
doesn't have an answer.
1670
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:50,420
It's like a new book that's published,
is it good or not?
1671
01:46:50,540 --> 01:46:53,900
Or a new film that premieres,
is it any good?
1672
01:46:54,020 --> 01:46:55,860
We'll know the answer in 25 years.
1673
01:46:55,980 --> 01:46:58,620
It depends if people
are still talking about us.
1674
01:46:58,740 --> 01:47:02,300
If after 25 years we're still
taking about a book, it's good.
1675
01:47:02,420 --> 01:47:05,180
If we're still watching a film
in 25 years time, it must be good.
1676
01:47:05,300 --> 01:47:06,980
The same will happen with our team.
1677
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:12,620
But were we better than Sacchi's Milan
or Pelé's Brazil, or Johan's Ajax?
1678
01:47:13,140 --> 01:47:17,540
Everyone will have their opinion,
1679
01:47:17,660 --> 01:47:21,660
which they'll defend passionately.
1680
01:47:21,780 --> 01:47:24,220
I would tell you
that my team was brilliant,
1681
01:47:24,340 --> 01:47:27,300
but Johan would argue
that his team was better.
1682
01:47:27,420 --> 01:47:30,860
And Arrigo Sacchi would say the same
about his Milan side.
1683
01:47:30,980 --> 01:47:32,300
And we'd all be in the right.
1684
01:47:32,420 --> 01:47:34,860
But if they remember us in 25 years time,
1685
01:47:34,980 --> 01:47:37,100
they won't talk about the titles we won,
1686
01:47:37,220 --> 01:47:38,700
they'll talk about how we played.
1687
01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:42,380
If they remember us,
it's because they enjoyed watching us.
1688
01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:46,980
But that's the big mystery.
Will we be remembered or not?
1689
01:48:02,140 --> 01:48:03,980
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