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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 -00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:16,500 3 00:01:48,060 --> 00:01:50,420 Take the ball. Pass the ball. Take the ball. Pass the ball. 4 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:53,380 Take the ball. Pass the ball. Take the ball. Pass the ball. 5 00:02:44,340 --> 00:02:46,300 And I don't care where you're from. 6 00:02:46,420 --> 00:02:47,980 I don't care. 7 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:50,340 If you tell me that you love football, 8 00:02:51,620 --> 00:02:54,780 and you don't love Barcelona, you have a problem. 9 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:58,540 If there's a game on TV, 10 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:02,900 any team in the world, if Barcelona are playing, 11 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:05,380 I'd pick watching Barcelona all day long. 12 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:12,500 I'd say 2011 was the best brand of football I've seen. 13 00:03:13,580 --> 00:03:14,780 14 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:18,260 Barça re-established themselves 15 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:21,380 as the most admired team in Europe. 16 00:03:22,340 --> 00:03:24,140 Not because we won 17 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:27,660 but because of the style in which we won. 18 00:03:28,540 --> 00:03:29,660 19 00:03:29,740 --> 00:03:32,700 There have been three special eras in football history. 20 00:03:34,020 --> 00:03:36,260 First, Cruyff's Ajax, 21 00:03:36,380 --> 00:03:41,260 Sacchi's AC Milan, a project that I continued. 22 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:42,700 And then came Guardiola, 23 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:48,180 and he created something beautiful. 24 00:03:48,980 --> 00:03:51,460 To play against Barcelona at that time, 25 00:03:51,580 --> 00:03:54,740 you just knew you had a bigger chance to lose than to win. 26 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:58,940 That Barcelona was just, you know, eating everything on the table. 27 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:28,420 28 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:31,580 It's one of the best ever performances in a Champions League final 29 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:34,900 and to do it against Manchester United was incredible. 30 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:39,180 We really enjoyed ourselves that day. 31 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:40,940 I mean, they were special. 32 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:43,540 They were as good as I've came up against 33 00:04:43,660 --> 00:04:46,380 by quite some margin. 34 00:04:47,340 --> 00:04:49,940 And they were just too good. 35 00:04:50,860 --> 00:04:54,700 I remember Sir Alex saying that he'd never lost like that before, 36 00:04:54,820 --> 00:04:55,860 where he felt 37 00:04:57,660 --> 00:04:59,140 that he couldn't do anything. 38 00:04:59,260 --> 00:05:04,540 No one's given us a hiding like that, so it's a great moment for them. 39 00:05:04,660 --> 00:05:06,820 They deserve it because they play the right way. 40 00:05:06,940 --> 00:05:09,380 They stuck at it, they kept passing, they kept passing. 41 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:12,460 They might have lost one or two, but they kept passing it. 42 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:15,020 And all of a sudden, they make that extra pass, 43 00:05:15,140 --> 00:05:17,900 and the spaces are bigger, it's harder to close down 44 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:21,300 and you lose your little bit of shape, and that's when they take control. 45 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:23,500 As a performance, it was... 46 00:05:23,980 --> 00:05:25,700 It was as good as I've seen. 47 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:30,380 What struck me about them really was the patience of the wide men, 48 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:34,820 to stay so high and so wide and keep making them runs, 49 00:05:34,940 --> 00:05:37,140 and probably hardly ever getting the ball. 50 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:40,460 They both got the goal, but just the patience 51 00:05:40,580 --> 00:05:44,620 to stay in that position and hold us, pin our fullbacks back, pin them back. 52 00:05:44,740 --> 00:05:47,700 And then obviously you've got Messi to drop back, 53 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:49,380 making it four v three. 54 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:53,740 55 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:57,700 Outnumbering the opponent was the basis of our whole strategy. 56 00:05:57,820 --> 00:06:02,340 Messi dropped into midfield to give us that numerical advantage. 57 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:09,220 And he also scored goals, which gave us an advantage 58 00:06:09,340 --> 00:06:11,220 over every team we played. 59 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:12,780 I'll show you how we did it. 60 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:15,300 Here's the Manchester United defense. 61 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:18,700 They never closed down the player in the hole. 62 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:21,220 They had two defensive midfielders, 63 00:06:21,980 --> 00:06:25,820 a number ten, Rooney, who didn't defend very much 64 00:06:25,940 --> 00:06:26,940 and a striker. 65 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:30,220 For this goal, we were three against two. 66 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:33,980 Iniesta plays the ball across the line to Messi 67 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:36,700 and Messi attacks the defense. 68 00:06:39,340 --> 00:06:40,540 69 00:06:42,980 --> 00:06:44,260 70 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:47,220 We started really well but then they equalized 71 00:06:47,340 --> 00:06:51,180 and that gave us a scare, which is normal in a final. 72 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:55,580 But we managed to take control and when we went 3-1 up, 73 00:06:55,700 --> 00:07:01,500 we felt much more relaxed. 75 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:28,220 76 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:30,460 Pep gave us a team talk in the Wembley dressing room. 77 00:07:30,980 --> 00:07:35,220 I remember the room was very dark, and he said, 78 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:40,140 "I told you that if you got me this far, I'd win you the final, 79 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:42,220 "and I'm going to make sure you win it." 80 00:07:46,180 --> 00:07:47,900 81 00:07:47,980 --> 00:07:49,380 If Pep said to jump off the third tier of Camp Nou, I'd jump. 82 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:50,980 There must be a good reason for it. 83 00:07:51,660 --> 00:07:53,660 And that's what I loved about him. 84 00:07:53,780 --> 00:07:58,820 He'd say things, and we'd realize 85 00:07:58,940 --> 00:08:02,020 that his words were never just words, 86 00:08:02,140 --> 00:08:06,500 and that convinces you that what you're doing 87 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:08,220 is going to get results. 88 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:12,180 It's unreal the way he used to tell us something, 89 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:14,900 "That's what we're going to do. Do it. It will work." 90 00:08:15,020 --> 00:08:17,740 And it will happen. 91 00:08:18,780 --> 00:08:21,300 It really will happen, just like that. 92 00:08:24,340 --> 00:08:25,460 93 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:26,820 That day was the crowning moment 94 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:33,500 of everything we'd achieved since 2008. 95 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:38,020 It was the crowning moment of our reign, 96 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:45,140 the reign of a team adored by its supporters 97 00:08:46,180 --> 00:08:48,620 and also by everyone who loves football. 98 00:08:56,340 --> 00:08:58,300 For Barça to win the Champions League 99 00:08:58,420 --> 00:09:00,340 in that style at Wembley, 100 00:09:00,460 --> 00:09:03,180 was the perfect end to a brutally draining season. 101 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:06,020 The rivalry between them and Madrid had never been nastier. 102 00:09:06,220 --> 00:09:09,460 And the relationship between Mourinho and Guardiola was beyond tense. 103 00:09:09,580 --> 00:09:11,420 Getting out of hand, some would say. 104 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:14,180 I think it escalated into something more than just football. 105 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:19,100 I mean, I don't know whether there's any rivalry between them personally, 106 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:20,980 but it looked that way. 107 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:24,020 Let's not forget where this comes from. 108 00:09:24,140 --> 00:09:29,580 In 2010, Barcelona are on their way to the Champions League final. 109 00:09:30,660 --> 00:09:33,740 The Champions League final is at Real Madrid's stadium. 110 00:09:33,860 --> 00:09:38,260 I think we've all forgotten how much of a trauma this was in Madrid. 111 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:40,060 They're terrified of this prospect. 112 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:41,580 What happens? 113 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:43,020 Mourinho happens. 114 00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:56,500 Mourinho beats Barcelona and celebrates it like mad. 115 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:59,580 And he's just passed his audition for Real Madrid. 116 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:01,660 117 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:10,220 It was difficult for Mourinho at Madrid 118 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:14,380 because he probably arrives when Barcelona are at their best. 119 00:10:15,060 --> 00:10:17,380 And I doubt that any other manager 120 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:20,060 would have found a solution for Madrid at the time. 121 00:10:20,180 --> 00:10:23,340 I think that he arrived to Madrid, to a really big club, 122 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:27,540 but he got frustrated after the 5-0, 123 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:31,500 because we beat them 5-0 at Camp Nou in his first year. 124 00:10:31,620 --> 00:10:32,860 125 00:10:32,940 --> 00:10:34,540 In the 5-0, they didn't have a hope. 126 00:10:34,660 --> 00:10:39,780 That was the best game 127 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:43,260 I played in at Barça. 130 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:10,380 I think that he just had a reflection and said, 131 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:14,580 "Listen, if we want to beat this team, we cannot beat them playing football. 132 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:18,220 We have to beat them in trying to find another way." 133 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:21,340 And they bring football outside of the pitch, 134 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:25,980 like in every press conference, in every interview, 135 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:28,220 trying to fight in every game. 136 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:31,940 I have absolutely no doubt that Mourinho's role at Real Madrid 137 00:11:32,060 --> 00:11:34,940 was to "knock Barcelona off their fucking perch", 138 00:11:35,060 --> 00:11:36,220 to use Ferguson's words. 139 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:38,780 140 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:40,820 Mourinho's not stupid. Mourinho's a great competitor. 141 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:43,620 And you have to respect winners. 142 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:47,100 But when winners start losing and feel powerless, 143 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:48,580 you better watch out 144 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:50,540 because it's bound to kick off. 145 00:11:51,860 --> 00:11:53,300 146 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:56,020 Playing four Clásicos in such a short period 147 00:11:56,140 --> 00:11:59,860 brought the tension to boiling point. 148 00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:04,460 It was tough because most of us were Spain teammates 149 00:12:04,580 --> 00:12:10,460 and the tensions spilled out onto the pitch. 150 00:12:10,580 --> 00:12:14,020 I found it all very tough indeed. 151 00:12:19,820 --> 00:12:21,140 152 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:28,340 153 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:30,420 We all lost our heads a bit. 154 00:12:30,540 --> 00:12:33,460 The games should have been much more attractive, 155 00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:37,340 much better to watch, and without so much aggression, 156 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:41,380 but when you're competing you get swept up in it, 157 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:47,740 and the tension caused constant fighting on the pitch. 158 00:12:57,740 --> 00:13:00,940 The day I remember that they won the Cup in extra time 159 00:13:01,060 --> 00:13:02,500 and Cristiano scored. 160 00:13:02,620 --> 00:13:05,340 We were a much better team than them, but they won, 161 00:13:05,460 --> 00:13:07,340 and for us, it was like, "Whoa!" 162 00:13:07,460 --> 00:13:13,220 They had that moment where they made us doubt ourselves 163 00:13:13,340 --> 00:13:15,660 because it was a really difficult moment. 164 00:13:22,780 --> 00:13:24,580 165 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:38,340 166 00:13:38,420 --> 00:13:40,140 We thought we were the better team and created more, 167 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:44,700 but because of a marginal offside call, 168 00:13:44,820 --> 00:13:46,700 we ended up losing the cup final. 169 00:13:46,820 --> 00:13:49,340 And when you lose, 170 00:13:49,460 --> 00:13:52,900 not only do you feel angry, but also doubts start to creep in. 171 00:13:53,020 --> 00:13:54,540 What we got on the pitch 172 00:13:54,660 --> 00:13:57,660 was a game where it really could have gone either way. 173 00:13:57,780 --> 00:13:59,900 There's a goal from Pedro ruled offside correctly, 174 00:14:00,020 --> 00:14:02,980 but, as Guardiola pointed out, very fine the margin, 175 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:04,860 which gave Mourinho the chance to say 176 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:07,180 Guardiola was complaining about right decisions. 177 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:10,140 He wasn't. He was pointing out the margins were so fine 178 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:11,980 that it could have gone the other way. 179 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:14,460 181 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:19,700 After what Pep said the other day, 182 00:14:20,580 --> 00:14:22,620 we've entered into a new era. 183 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:28,500 There's now a new group of managers with just one member, him, 184 00:14:29,020 --> 00:14:33,060 a group that criticizes a referee for getting decisions right. 185 00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:37,180 It's something nobody's ever seen or heard of before. 186 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:38,340 187 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:39,860 Mourinho was so provocative 188 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:45,020 that even people at Barça wanted a reaction from Guardiola 189 00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:49,380 because Mourinho was constantly trying to pick a fight with Guardiola 190 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:50,980 and Barça in general. 191 00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:52,460 192 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:53,900 That day at lunch we listened 193 00:14:54,020 --> 00:14:57,180 to the Real Madrid manager 194 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:01,580 and I noticed something change in Pep. 195 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:07,460 I had a feeling that Pep would do something uncharacteristic, 196 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:11,020 and I think others felt it too, because after training 197 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:13,940 the director of football came to the dressing room, 198 00:15:14,060 --> 00:15:16,220 which never happens. 199 00:15:16,340 --> 00:15:19,740 And I remember Zubizarreta said, "Keep calm, Pep." 200 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:25,340 And Pep told him he'd stay calm and wouldn't react. 201 00:15:25,460 --> 00:15:27,060 But Pep was lying. 202 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:32,980 I was in the press conference that day, and we're sitting in the press room, 203 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:36,660 and there's this moment where everyone just goes, 204 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:39,020 "Did he really say that? 205 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:41,540 Bloody hell!" 206 00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:44,660 207 00:15:44,740 --> 00:15:45,740 Yes? Yes. 208 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:48,620 Pep Guardiola, good evening everyone. 209 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:52,420 Mr. Mourinho addressed me by first name, so I'll do the same. 210 00:15:52,540 --> 00:15:54,540 He called me Pep, so I'll call him José. 211 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:57,060 I don't know which camera belongs to Mr. José, 212 00:15:57,180 --> 00:15:59,420 probably all of them. 213 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:03,540 Tomorrow at 20.45, our teams go head-to-head on the pitch, 214 00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:05,860 but off the pitch, he's already won. 215 00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:10,860 He's won all year long and he probably always will. 216 00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:14,020 I award him a Champions League trophy for victories in the press room. 217 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:17,100 In this room, he's the fucking boss, the fucking chief. 218 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:21,300 He knows it all and I don't even want to try and compete with him. 219 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:24,700 I only want to remind him we worked together for four years. 220 00:16:24,820 --> 00:16:26,740 221 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:30,300 We were in the team hotel watching that press conference. 222 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:35,660 He gave us one more incentive to go out and give 100%. 223 00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:37,060 224 00:16:37,340 --> 00:16:38,980 When Guardiola returned, we all started applauding him, 225 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:43,660 and he just said, "That's enough. Time to focus on the match." 226 00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:45,020 It really surprised us 227 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:47,900 because nothing like that had ever happened, but... 228 00:16:48,020 --> 00:16:49,780 a line had been crossed. 229 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:53,780 It was precisely the boost we needed at that moment. 230 00:16:55,060 --> 00:16:56,500 231 00:16:56,580 --> 00:17:01,380 Clásicos are already extremely tense, but this one was worse. 232 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,460 Doubts and fears were creeping into my mind. 233 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:13,260 I'd known for over a month that I needed surgery 234 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:14,820 but we hadn't told anyone. 235 00:17:14,940 --> 00:17:18,820 It's impossible to keep secrets in a dressing room. 236 00:17:18,940 --> 00:17:20,900 Everything always gets leaked. 237 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:23,860 So I only told a couple of my teammates the truth. 238 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:26,980 239 00:17:27,060 --> 00:17:29,100 When you go to a match feeling confident, 240 00:17:29,980 --> 00:17:31,340 everything is much easier, 241 00:17:31,460 --> 00:17:36,140 but I had a voice in my head telling me to be careful 242 00:17:36,260 --> 00:17:38,740 and that my knee could collapse at any moment. 243 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:41,540 I had a big bit of cartilage floating about inside. 244 00:17:41,660 --> 00:17:44,380 I could have easily collapsed 245 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,700 when one of their players was running at me. 246 00:17:46,820 --> 00:17:48,980 I was very nervous. 247 00:17:56,260 --> 00:17:57,780 248 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:01,780 This was the moment we'd either go down in history 249 00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:08,140 or be remembered as a good side but not one of the greats. 250 00:18:08,260 --> 00:18:11,300 That's what was at stake in the semi-finals against Madrid. 251 00:18:11,420 --> 00:18:13,940 Even though you know that you are a better team, 252 00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:17,820 you always have that doubt, and I remember Pep said to us, 253 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:19,580 "We are a much better team. 254 00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:22,100 I will bring you to the final of the Champions League." 255 00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:23,300 And it was like this. 256 00:18:23,420 --> 00:18:26,140 257 00:18:41,860 --> 00:18:43,620 258 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:46,220 They were very well-organized, 259 00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:51,380 so it wasn't easy to create goal-scoring chances. 260 00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:54,580 And then Leo picked up the ball in midfield 261 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:56,900 and started that slalom run. 262 00:18:57,820 --> 00:18:59,460 263 00:18:59,540 --> 00:19:02,540 It's just natural ability. That's why he's the best in the world. 264 00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:04,780 Only Messi can do that. 265 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:06,740 That goal is just incredible. 266 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:11,420 Busi gives him the ball and he skips past three or four, 267 00:19:11,540 --> 00:19:13,740 and then he scores with his right foot. 268 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:16,260 269 00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:18,140 270 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:20,140 It's one of the best goals in football history. 271 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:21,540 272 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:24,740 My assist practically put the goal on a plate for him. 273 00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:27,460 No. The truth is... 274 00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:32,540 we all know that the more Leo is on the ball 275 00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:35,140 the better it is for all of us. 276 00:19:35,980 --> 00:19:38,700 You have a Madrid team that's extremely defensive, 277 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:40,500 with Pepe in the middle of midfield. 278 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:43,900 A Madrid team that is very aggressive, that is playing for nil-nil. 279 00:19:44,020 --> 00:19:45,660 Mourinho's argument has always been 280 00:19:45,780 --> 00:19:49,140 that until Pepe is sent off, Madrid were succeeding in that. 281 00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:52,780 We will never know if Messi would have scored his two goals 282 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:54,940 without that sending off. 283 00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:56,180 284 00:19:56,260 --> 00:19:58,420 At that moment, the red card made absolutely no difference. 285 00:19:58,540 --> 00:19:59,900 Messi's unstoppable. 286 00:20:00,020 --> 00:20:03,700 It's natural talent that's only given to the chosen ones. 287 00:20:03,820 --> 00:20:07,820 Maybe in 20 or 30 years, there'll be another one, 288 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:09,860 but right now it's Messi. 289 00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:14,300 I was in the room exactly a year later when Pierluigi Collina, 290 00:20:14,420 --> 00:20:16,860 in his refereeing tutorial to the Spain squad, 291 00:20:16,980 --> 00:20:19,100 uses that Pepe incident 292 00:20:19,220 --> 00:20:23,180 to show them how the laws of the game would be interpreted during Euro 2012. 293 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:25,540 And the instant it comes up on the screen, 294 00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:28,460 the Spain squad is split right down the middle again 295 00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:33,100 with Madrid players and Barça players drowning him out, shouting at each other 296 00:20:33,220 --> 00:20:36,460 about whether it is or isn't a red card offence. 297 00:20:36,620 --> 00:20:37,860 298 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:40,220 299 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:43,460 I told Collina, "Show something else! That's not a good example to show us!" 301 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:48,380 Yeah. Some of them still said it wasn't a red card. 302 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,460 And that Pepe didn't touch him. 303 00:20:51,220 --> 00:20:52,300 Incredible! 304 00:20:52,420 --> 00:20:54,300 I'm telling you it was a red card. 305 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:56,660 They can say what they want. 306 00:20:56,780 --> 00:20:59,940 Fans want to see their team play well. 307 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:02,780 They don't want a team that constantly fouls 308 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:06,780 or defending with everyone behind the ball. 309 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:10,580 But in the end, football always wins. 310 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:12,820 311 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:15,140 After the second leg at the Camp Nou, 312 00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:18,860 we stayed on the pitch celebrating for ten or 15 minutes, 313 00:21:19,420 --> 00:21:21,700 and we still had to play the Champions League final. 314 00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:27,140 But with all due respect to Manchester United, 315 00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:31,660 our biggest test that year was beating Madrid in the semi-final. 316 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:36,100 317 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:39,340 So they've beaten Real Madrid in the semi-finals. 318 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:43,340 They then dismantle Manchester United in the Champions League final. 319 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:46,180 And the instant outpouring of superlatives 320 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:49,620 from all-time greats of the game all around the world, 321 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:52,820 I think, objectively marks this 322 00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:56,820 as the high point of European club football. Ever. 323 00:21:57,740 --> 00:22:01,620 But the fact that Éric Abidal plays and wins, 324 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:04,780 having already just beaten cancer 325 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:09,300 turns this from a great sporting story into a great human drama. 326 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:10,620 327 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:12,660 That day wasn't about lifting the Champions League trophy, 328 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,460 we should have been lifting Abi. 329 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:19,260 That was the real triumph. 330 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:23,780 He was one of the great characters in the dressing room 331 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,260 and everybody loved him. 332 00:22:26,380 --> 00:22:27,900 Abidal! 333 00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:32,100 334 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:36,100 I remember two or three days after we heard about the cancer, 335 00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:39,220 Abi came to see us. 336 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:41,820 And he was the one who cheered us up. 337 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:46,540 One of my teammates died when I was at Sevilla, 338 00:22:46,660 --> 00:22:52,300 and I thought, "I can't let this happen again. 339 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:55,020 Not another one, please." 340 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:58,980 The first time I wasn't able to help, but this time, I could. 341 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:03,660 And if there was a chance to save his life, 342 00:23:04,260 --> 00:23:06,580 my career was the last thing on my mind. 343 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:08,020 344 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:12,540 Dani came to see me and said, "Look Abi, we have the same blood type. 345 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:15,380 I'm going to give you part of my liver." 346 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:22,460 Everyone saw Dani in a different light after that. 347 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:23,820 348 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:25,380 It was a private matter, which only came out 349 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:26,900 because Abi told people. 350 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:29,700 But I'd never have forgiven myself if he'd died 351 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:31,740 and I'd done nothing to help. 352 00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:33,700 I couldn't let that happen. 353 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:39,380 In the end, they found another solution, but I don't regret making the offer. 354 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:41,860 355 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:43,300 Days after his operation, 356 00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:48,940 he was back in the dressing room and working out in the gym. 357 00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:53,540 He wanted to be back with the group as soon as possible. 358 00:23:53,660 --> 00:23:57,300 We had no doubt he'd make a full recovery. 359 00:23:57,380 --> 00:23:58,420 360 00:23:58,540 --> 00:24:00,740 Did you think you had a good chance of playing at Wembley? 361 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:02,020 362 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:06,180 No. I didn't even think I had a ten percent chance. 363 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:11,940 We needed to play the strongest side possible, 364 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:15,460 and the strongest team had to include Puyol. 365 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:17,740 I wanted to play. 366 00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:21,300 I always wanted to play, but I was in a worse state than Abidal. 367 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:24,300 And the most important thing was winning. 368 00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:27,660 The boss did something he'd never done before, 369 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:31,780 He announced the starting line-up in the dressing room at Wembley 370 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:36,540 just an hour before the game in the Champions League Final. 371 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:40,620 I was shitting myself, 372 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:43,140 thinking, "Bloody hell! What's going on?" 373 00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:45,140 I wasn't fully match fit, 374 00:24:46,660 --> 00:24:51,620 but there was a fire inside me, which gave me that extra drive. 375 00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:54,940 And when you're on the pitch, you're just thinking, "Let's do this." 376 00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:00,460 377 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:04,820 The Abidal situation was a huge emotional boost for all of us. 378 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,460 And he found strength he didn't know he had 379 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:13,620 to play the way he did, with the same composure as always. 380 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:15,940 Abidal was an example to everyone. 381 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:18,940 382 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,500 He showed such strength and determination 383 00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:22,740 and a will to overcome the cancer. 384 00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:25,380 And I decided that if we won that night, 385 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:29,540 Abidal should be the first to lift the cup. 386 00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:31,820 It really is an incredible moment. 387 00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:34,500 I've been lucky enough to lift it twice, 388 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:37,220 and it's a difficult feeling to describe. 389 00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:38,420 390 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:39,780 It was Puyi's decision. 391 00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:44,060 He'd had the disappointment of not starting the game, 392 00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:48,500 and he maybe didn't feel like a key member of the team, 393 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:53,540 but despite that, he decided Abidal should lift the cup. 394 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:57,820 He said to me, "It's got to be Abidal." 395 00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:02,940 And I said, "Bloody hell, you're right. Abi should lift it." 396 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:05,220 Without any doubt, that moment was... 397 00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:08,340 the absolute highlight for us all. 398 00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:11,260 To watch Abidal lift the trophy was very special. 399 00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:16,780 400 00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:18,460 I was with Víctor Valdés, close to Abidal. 401 00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:22,540 Watching Abidal lift the trophy after the illness he'd been through, 402 00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:24,340 it still gives me goosebumps. 403 00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:29,100 404 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:43,540 405 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:45,180 I think it was the moment... 406 00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:53,700 that showed the strength of our group. 407 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:57,260 We were much more than just teammates. 408 00:26:57,380 --> 00:27:01,020 They say that Barça is more than a club. 409 00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:03,780 At that moment, it was more than a club. 410 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,500 I think that the story of this club, 411 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:21,420 obviously, you cannot understand if you don't know the figure of Cruyff. 412 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:25,340 Firstly as a player, he was one of the best players in history. 413 00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:26,740 I didn't watch him play, 414 00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:30,220 but my dad always said incredible things about him. 415 00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:32,500 He always says, "Messi and then Cruyff." 416 00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:33,660 417 00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:35,540 When we were kids of ten or 11, Cruyff signed for Barça 418 00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:40,540 and we copied his hairstyle, the way he ran and played football. 419 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:42,980 He inspired a revolution in 1973/74. 420 00:27:50,660 --> 00:27:52,220 421 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:12,140 He comes here with the advantage of having a good reputation as a player. 422 00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:16,220 He has a philosophy which is contrary to many. 423 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:18,100 He would prefer to fail with his ideas 424 00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:20,700 than to succeed with the ideas of someone else. 425 00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:24,140 Players go for these kind of things, for this kind of charisma. 426 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,540 427 00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:31,580 I played with him here for five years and when we took over the team, 428 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:36,060 we wanted to play a different brand of football. 429 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:41,300 And it caused shock waves around the world. 430 00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:44,220 Everyone played with a 4-4-2 formation, 431 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:50,220 and we played with three defenders, four midfielders and three in attack. 432 00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:51,700 433 00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:53,700 People would say, "They've only got three defenders!" 434 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:55,580 It was a 3-4-3. 435 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,780 They'd say, "It's madness. We'll concede loads of goals!" 436 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:01,740 But Johan preferred winning 6-5 to winning 1-0. 437 00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:05,780 I was really lucky because I was six, seven, eight years old. 438 00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:09,060 I watched the first Copa de Europa, European Championships. 439 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:10,460 We were a really good team, 440 00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:14,180 always playing really well, but we'd never won nothing important. 441 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,060 But when he arrived, he changed this mentality, 442 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:20,100 and we started to win important things and important titles. 443 00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:22,420 444 00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:46,580 445 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:50,740 Cruyff is the most influential person in the entire history of FC Barcelona. 446 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:54,900 Our style of play is the most important thing. 447 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:56,620 Then come the players. 448 00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:59,980 But what really draws you in and what sets the club apart 449 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,020 is that Barça play a unique brand of football. 450 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:04,580 451 00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:07,220 It all started a very long time ago during Cruyff's spell at the club. 452 00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:12,140 Since then we've always played the same way, 453 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:16,900 holding onto possession 454 00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:21,700 and passing in triangles, 455 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,060 pressing the moment we lose the ball, 456 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:29,460 staying close together so we can recover possession and then keep it. 457 00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:30,860 458 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:31,980 Over time you realize, 459 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,380 that it's because of Cruyff's influence that by the age of 21, 460 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:39,140 it felt normal to come off my line and play further up the pitch, 461 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:41,260 outside the penalty area. 462 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:46,860 You come to realize that all of us, me, Xavi, Iniesta... 463 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:51,740 We've all grown up adopting Johan's philosophy. 464 00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:55,580 You know, it's an immense honor, or pride, 465 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:57,340 to see that this is still going this way 466 00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:59,900 and my father is mentioned like the architect. 467 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:05,580 468 00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:11,420 I think it's a process that began in the 1970s with Laureano Ruiz. 469 00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:13,980 I experienced that here as a player. 470 00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:17,180 I was then a coach here when the second big change took place 471 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,180 when Johan Cruyff arrived as manager. 472 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,700 He changed our mentality. 473 00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:26,420 He turned us into winners and taught us to be confident, 474 00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:30,220 to want the ball and be creative, and to enjoy ourselves. 475 00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:33,020 And our third big change was with Pep, 476 00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:35,060 who took it to another level. 477 00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:37,340 478 00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:40,460 Cruyff's arrival was key because he imposed his ideas. 479 00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:46,340 His advantage was that the players 480 00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:49,460 already understood this style because they'd worked under me. 481 00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:53,860 I invented the Rondo. 482 00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:56,580 The ideal Rondo is four against two. 483 00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,100 You need to move constantly to find space. 484 00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:03,180 The player with the ball 485 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,940 must have the option of a pass to his right, 486 00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:09,540 another to this left, and another through the middle, 487 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:11,700 which I call the pass down the street. 488 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:13,460 So in a match that becomes 489 00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:18,580 a sideways pass to feet or a through ball. 490 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:22,100 So it's a very important tactical exercise. 491 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,740 Barcelona always train in tight spaces. 492 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:30,460 If the ball doesn't stay by your foot, it's gone, in training. 493 00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:33,860 That's why, after, when you drop those guys on the big field, 494 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:36,620 they play as if they were in tight places. 495 00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:37,940 496 00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:41,740 If you pass, the player marking you doesn't have time to catch you. 497 00:32:42,340 --> 00:32:45,340 When he gets to you, it's always too late. 498 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:50,420 That's how you take control. 499 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:57,260 500 00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:59,420 The ball is fired at you from every direction. 501 00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:04,060 And the light shows you where to pass the ball. 502 00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:08,500 So if the light comes on over there, I have to be in the right position. 503 00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:12,300 Left foot control, right foot pass. As few touches as possible. 504 00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:13,740 It's the role of a midfielder. 505 00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:28,300 You're being marked and pressed. 506 00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:30,620 You have to get your head up and find the solution. 507 00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:33,500 I learned all of that from the age of 11 or 12 508 00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:40,180 because I had fantastic coaches at Barça like Joan Vilà and Albert Benaiges. 509 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,260 My son plays for the youth team, 510 00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:46,380 and you get to realize as a parent, as well, 511 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,060 what the club teaches. 512 00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:52,260 It's not only about how they play and how successful that you can be. 513 00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:55,740 It's how you conduct yourself, how to be a Barça player, 514 00:33:55,860 --> 00:34:00,380 how to live like a Barça player, how to respect what it means. 515 00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:02,340 516 00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:05,860 Having well brought up, polite kids, with good values... 517 00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:07,940 makes everything much easier. 518 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:11,460 Just look at the squad we've got at the moment. 519 00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:13,380 They're all exceptional people. 520 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:15,140 521 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:20,140 We were lucky to have a generation of players who came from La Masia, 522 00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:26,260 like Xavi, Iniesta, Piqué, Puyol, Valdés, Pedro, Leo, Busquets. 523 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:28,980 They all achieved huge success in the first team. 524 00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:35,620 Tell me a team, apart maybe from Ajax, that dominated world football 525 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:40,700 having that amount of youngsters from the academy in their team. 526 00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:43,860 There's a reason why youth players at Barcelona 527 00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:47,060 are the ones who best adjust to the first team at Barcelona. 528 00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:48,500 It's not a coincidence. 529 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:51,460 It's not because they work with special machines 530 00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:52,980 that no other club has. 531 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,500 It has to do with the way they're brought up, 532 00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:57,460 the values, their football values. 533 00:34:57,580 --> 00:35:01,140 What is the real essence of our football? 534 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:03,180 Is it the result or is it how we play? 535 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,460 It's how we play. 536 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:07,540 And then, if you do that good, the results will come. 537 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:09,260 We came here to play football. 538 00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:14,500 People realized that we were different and that we had talent. 539 00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:18,020 We were given the chance to develop from junior level 540 00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:19,780 through to the first team. 541 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,860 It's a different way of understanding football, 542 00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:27,660 which gives you a better chance of success. 543 00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:30,740 When I joined Barcelona, 544 00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:31,940 the media asked me 545 00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:34,700 which player had surprised me most 546 00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:37,340 and I said, Andrés Iniesta, 547 00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:39,580 which surprised them 548 00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:44,900 because they all wanted me to say Messi or Ronaldinho. 549 00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:51,100 But the player who makes difficult things look easy is Andrés. 550 00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:53,700 I'd want Andrés and Xavi... 551 00:35:55,420 --> 00:36:00,140 in my team until the day they retire. 552 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:02,900 553 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:06,100 Barça's style of football is different to any team in the world. 554 00:36:06,220 --> 00:36:12,020 At Barça, there is a very specific way you have to play. 555 00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:16,380 You can't just boot the ball clear. 556 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:22,860 Defenders have to control the ball, dribble and make the right pass. 557 00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:24,140 It's not easy. 558 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:27,500 In the Premier League or at Real Madrid, you clear the ball. 559 00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:30,140 And that isn't a problem at most other clubs. 560 00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:33,900 But at Barça that's not enough. You have to do a lot more. 561 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:36,180 562 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:37,860 It's a unique philosophy. 563 00:36:39,460 --> 00:36:44,940 And that's why it's so difficult for new players 564 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:47,380 to adapt to our style of play. 565 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:52,780 It might look easy but it's something we've been practicing for years. 566 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:58,460 Most of us have been playing this way since we were kids. 567 00:36:58,580 --> 00:37:01,980 Playing for Barça isn't easy. 568 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,620 You see all these players that are here for a long time. 569 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:08,300 They come through the youth system and walk into the first team, 570 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:11,060 and it's as if they've been there for many, many years. 571 00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:12,420 Coming here wasn't so easy 572 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:15,260 because there are certain elements of the game 573 00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:17,660 that you haven't been taught. 574 00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:20,140 You see players... 575 00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:24,620 I could tell you a few names but I'm not allowed. 576 00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:28,860 But world-class, spectacular footballers, 577 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:30,820 who were completely lost. 578 00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:32,420 They ended up in hysterics. 579 00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:35,460 It was more the style of play that I had to adapt to. 580 00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:41,420 Staying on the line to make sure that you can free Andrés, 581 00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:42,900 make the run in behind, 582 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:46,220 knowing that nine times or eight times out of ten, 583 00:37:46,340 --> 00:37:47,740 you will not get that ball. 584 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:50,900 But if you don't make the run, Andrés doesn't get the ball. 585 00:37:56,740 --> 00:38:01,100 My first move when Abidal had the ball and he's about to control it, 586 00:38:01,220 --> 00:38:03,060 I always have to ask for the ball in behind. 587 00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:06,420 Every single time. It's a dummy run. 588 00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:13,660 Now Andrés gets the ball, Sam now makes a run for Andrés, 589 00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:15,540 so Andrés can play him there, 590 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:19,140 Andrés can play me as I come back from an offside position, 591 00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:23,340 Or, if not, third choice, Andrés skills you by his dribble. 592 00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:25,740 You have a guy dropping, a guy running 593 00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:28,020 and a guy with the ball running at you, so, 594 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,340 by the time you stop to realize what's happening, 595 00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:31,940 you're already in trouble. 596 00:38:34,580 --> 00:38:36,420 597 00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:40,020 Some guys managed to get it in the end like Thierry Henry and Abidal, 598 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:41,660 who both struggled at the start. 599 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:46,100 But some other really talented players just didn't make it. 600 00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:48,860 I missed my chance. 601 00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:54,220 I was full of this fire, of this desire to, you know, to play 602 00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:56,060 and sometimes it was like... 603 00:38:56,180 --> 00:39:00,660 I mean, I just wanted to immediately show what I can. 604 00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:03,780 And sometimes it was against me. 605 00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:06,020 606 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:07,980 Barça is a hard team to play for, particularly at center-back. 607 00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:11,900 If you make a couple of early mistakes, the fans get on your back, 608 00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:15,140 and the pressure really builds. 609 00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:21,300 But Chygrynskiy's qualities were perfect for Barça. 610 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:28,420 To turn the crowd around is not easy, especially at Barcelona. 611 00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:33,780 I think it was Xavi who said, "This is a very special place. 612 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:36,220 I've played here for many years, 613 00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:39,180 but believe me, if I play one or two games not good, 614 00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:42,700 these people can destroy me." 615 00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:48,420 I got it as a joke but then I felt that it... 616 00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:51,860 That it was not. 617 00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:54,900 618 00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:56,820 Despite being a home-grown player, I've suffered things 619 00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:58,060 that crossed the line. 620 00:39:58,180 --> 00:40:01,020 -In 2003, I was the "Cancer of Barça." 621 00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:04,540 In 2014, I was "old and good for nothing." 622 00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:06,460 It's a roller coaster. 623 00:40:06,580 --> 00:40:10,940 Barça is the most difficult club in the world. 624 00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:12,100 No doubt about it. 625 00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:16,540 Imagine for a new signing. It must be twice as difficult. 626 00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:19,260 I felt this difference, that I needed to learn 627 00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:21,460 this language of football, 628 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:24,780 how to create space, how to defend, 629 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:29,020 and all the things that the players were already playing. 630 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:34,300 We played a game against Osasuna 631 00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:39,300 and Osasuna were not defending well that area. 632 00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:41,660 The guy there was not tucking in well. 633 00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:46,780 So that day Chygrynskiy played because he had a great left foot. 634 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:49,260 He could ping the ball well with his left and right foot. 635 00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:50,620 But an amazing left foot. 636 00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:54,020 We were going to always play in the center back 637 00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:57,220 that was going to play across for Xavi. 638 00:40:57,340 --> 00:41:00,140 Whenever we were moving, Xavi stayed in that zone. 639 00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,620 So that was the exit. 640 00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:04,300 But what was funny that day 641 00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:09,060 is that Chygrynskiy twice played the ball long for Zlatan. 642 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:10,180 And it was on. 643 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,620 Zlatan nearly went one v one with the keeper. 644 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:17,140 Pep took him off at half-time... 645 00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:21,940 ...because he didn't respect the pattern. 646 00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:27,140 That's the way he studied that team and that's the way he asked us to play. 647 00:41:27,260 --> 00:41:31,740 The vocabulary of Guardiola or my father is building up from behind, 648 00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:32,860 possession, 649 00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:37,340 the speed of the ball is more important than the speed of the legs, 650 00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:41,580 always play attractive football to keep your fans happy. 651 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,140 I mean, there are so many similarities. 652 00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:46,020 When you play for Barcelona 653 00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:47,780 and especially after Guardiola came, 654 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:52,100 that's where you really learn how to play the Barcelona way. 655 00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:57,020 It's 11, not just the strikers or not just the midfielders. 656 00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:00,940 The 11 players have to participate to create the chance. 657 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:06,100 Basically, what we want to do is try to put the ball to the strikers 658 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:09,380 with a really good pass, so that they can have one on one. 659 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,700 But obviously if you pass them a long ball 660 00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:16,180 that's not really easy to control, 661 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,020 the striker will not do his job. 662 00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:23,060 It's all about starting from the back, to the strikers. 663 00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:25,820 664 00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:27,900 Pep took risks all over the pitch. 665 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:33,460 I think he made two great innovations as our coach, 666 00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:36,300 One was pressing after losing the ball 667 00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:39,940 and the other was playing out from the back. 668 00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:45,100 669 00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:47,260 I remember my first conversation with Guardiola as coach. 670 00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:49,940 It was in his office at the Camp Nou. 671 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:54,460 He had a tactics board with two small magnets 672 00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:59,220 either side of the goal, just outside of the box. 673 00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:02,180 He said, "Do you know which players these two are?" 674 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:05,020 I said, "Nope." 675 00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:07,620 And he said, "These are your center-backs." 676 00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:12,620 I had no idea what he was talking about. It sounded Chinese. 677 00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:18,980 And he said, "When you've got the ball, this is where I want them to be." 678 00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:23,140 I thought he was crazy. 679 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:29,780 And then he said, "You'll pass to them, and from there we'll build the play." 680 00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:33,420 I still thought he was completely mad, 681 00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:37,300 but given that I'm a bit crazy myself, I felt in tune with him. 682 00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:40,060 So I told him the defenders would have to be brave 683 00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:43,180 and want the ball. 684 00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:46,540 And Pep said, "Don't worry, that's my job. 685 00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:48,180 I'll make sure they want it." 686 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:49,940 That's how it started. 687 00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:52,420 688 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:58,460 Both Pep and Tito took this idea one step further. 689 00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:04,980 They told us not to worry 690 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,620 because if we made a mistake, 691 00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:08,580 they would take responsibility. 692 00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,140 All they asked was that we play the ball out from the back 693 00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:17,780 because that was the way Barça had to play football. 694 00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:20,580 695 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:24,100 He would show us how he wanted us to play the ball out from the back. 696 00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:26,180 He said that by doing this, we'd score. 697 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,260 So why would I stop playing that way if I made a mistake? 698 00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:32,940 We both knew that it was risky. 699 00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:36,860 But he would say, "Don't worry if you make a mistake. 700 00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:39,860 Just keep playing exactly the same way." 701 00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:42,140 702 00:44:58,660 --> 00:44:59,700 703 00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:02,860 We believe it's about much more than just winning. 704 00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:05,820 The message isn't "win, win, win". 705 00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:07,700 Winning is a result of how you play. 706 00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:09,780 The philosophy is the most important thing. 707 00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:13,420 You know you've done something when people just want to watch you play. 708 00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:14,500 Not win. 709 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:19,300 When you talk about Barcelona, you're talking about the way they play, 710 00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:20,980 the beauty of the game. 711 00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,820 You go home and you go like, "You should watch the second goal... 712 00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:34,460 and, by the way, they won." 713 00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:45,860 714 00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:49,820 There was a sign on the door of the coaches' room, which said, 715 00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:56,300 "If you're offering us a youth player who's less than 1.8 meters tall, 716 00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:57,700 turn around and go home." 717 00:45:57,820 --> 00:46:02,180 It was Cruyff who changed that, when he returned as manager. 718 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:08,460 He believed that talent was the key and height was irrelevant. 719 00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:12,220 720 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:13,580 From then on, players were judged only on their quality. 721 00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:17,500 Is he good or not? Regardless of their height. 722 00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:21,140 Look at Jordi, Xavi, Messi and Andrés. 723 00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:25,460 On top of each other they barely reach normal height. They're all tiny! 724 00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:26,940 725 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:30,420 Small players have enormous advantages over big players. 726 00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:33,540 They can start, stop and turn quicker. 727 00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,540 The best players are all small. 728 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,900 Messi has given a lot of people, 729 00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:42,500 a lot of young football dreamers, a whole new hope. 730 00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:44,980 It's not about the 1 meter 80. 731 00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:47,660 It's much more than that. 732 00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:49,500 It's intelligence. 733 00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:52,180 In the end, if the brain is faster than the ball, 734 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,020 you dominate. 735 00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:03,860 736 00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:06,700 One of my friends worked in the youth academy, 737 00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:10,300 when Messi was 14 or 15. 738 00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:14,660 I always asked about the kids, which of them looked special, 739 00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:17,660 who was likely to make it and reach the first team. 740 00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:21,100 He said to me, "There's this kid from Argentina 741 00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:24,700 and I've never seen anyone with the talent he's got." 742 00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:28,500 When Messi started training with us at the age of 16, 743 00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:31,180 we all realized he was special. 744 00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:43,460 745 00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:58,660 746 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:04,100 I had a big network of scouts in South America. 747 00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:09,380 One of them told me there was a kid in Rosario. 748 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,940 He was only 12 years old but he was unique. 749 00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:18,740 Nowadays, clubs invest in youngsters, but it didn't happen back then. 750 00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:23,780 It wasn't easy, but Charly Rexach helped and we decided to bring him over. 751 00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:26,740 Nobody wanted to take a risk on me. 752 00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:31,900 It was a big gamble to sign such a small kid from abroad 753 00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:35,420 and bring him to Barcelona. 754 00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:40,740 It was Charly Rexach who made it happen. 755 00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:45,060 He came to watch me play and told me that Barça definitely wanted me. 756 00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:49,300 It was thanks to him and the coaches who wanted to sign me, 757 00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:52,060 although there were some who didn't. 758 00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:58,540 But mainly it's thanks to Charly that I signed for Barça. 759 00:48:59,140 --> 00:49:00,220 760 00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:01,980 I've always said it was an honor to have brought Messi to this club. 761 00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,700 My small part in Messi's arrival 762 00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:08,620 was that I kept nagging until we signed him. 763 00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:11,780 If you went to the board back then 764 00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,580 and told them that we needed to sign a 12-year-old kid, 765 00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:17,940 their first reaction was, 766 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,940 "Let's talk again in eight years." 767 00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:23,020 But I said, "No. We have to sign him. 768 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:28,540 He's very good, and one day, he'll be incredible." 769 00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:31,500 That was my success. I insisted on it. 770 00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:36,740 Even back then, it was already obvious that Messi was out of this world. 771 00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:40,180 772 00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:42,980 So I told Rexach that I needed something in writing. 773 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:45,060 His parents had been here a month, 774 00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:50,020 and I kept reassuring them, but there was no official agreement. 775 00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:52,620 We were at the Pompeia Tennis Club on Montjuic, 776 00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:58,540 and there were napkins on the table, so Rexach took one and wrote, 777 00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:01,620 "I, Carles Rexach, advisor to the president, 778 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:05,780 confirm that Leo Messi has the qualities to sign for FC Barcelona." 779 00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:07,620 He signed it and then I signed it. 780 00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:09,620 We still have the napkin stored in the bank 781 00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:14,540 because it's delicate and it needs looking after. 782 00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:15,780 783 00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:19,060 By signing the napkin, I wanted to show Messi's family 784 00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:21,940 that I was committed to signing him for FC Barcelona. 785 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:26,660 I think Barcelona and Messi just... It was destined. 786 00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:28,660 It just had to be this way. 787 00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:31,660 He came to the best club that he could have. 788 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,140 It was difficult at first. 789 00:50:55,900 --> 00:51:00,500 I was very young and everything was new. 790 00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:04,660 I'd left behind family members, friends, my country. 791 00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:11,060 It was tough to start with, but I managed to settle in. 792 00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:13,620 Most of us knew that a phenomenon was coming. 793 00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:16,060 But the Gamper tournament was the proof. 794 00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:17,340 It was the first night, 795 00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:19,260 of which there have been so many since, 796 00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:24,180 when 99,000 lucky people at the Camp Nou simply paid homage 797 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:27,340 to something more exciting, more uplifting 798 00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:29,340 than they'd ever witnessed before. 799 00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:33,620 I was there that night and the effect was spine-tingling. 800 00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:36,500 801 00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:43,140 802 00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:44,820 It was a very special day 803 00:51:44,940 --> 00:51:49,620 and I loved every minute. 804 00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:52,900 It was the Gamper tournament 805 00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:58,540 and I was in the starting XI. 806 00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:04,420 It was a huge moment for me because after that game, 807 00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:07,460 everything changed. 808 00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:10,980 That's where it all started. 809 00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:13,300 810 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:16,980 I remember telling Patrick Vieira before that match 811 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:22,380 to be very careful because he was up against a young kid 812 00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:25,060 who would change history. 813 00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:29,620 One day, it would seem like every player who came before Messi, even me, 814 00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:31,980 were playing a different sport. 815 00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:35,540 It was incredible what this kid was doing 816 00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:39,340 against the likes of Vieira, a first team player at Juve. 817 00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:44,500 He was drifting past big, physical players. 818 00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:46,860 Messi just did whatever he wanted. 819 00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:51,300 And Capello asked if he could take him on loan. 820 00:52:55,460 --> 00:52:56,620 821 00:52:59,780 --> 00:53:01,140 Capello's no fool! 822 00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:02,300 823 00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:04,220 Initially, I didn't know anything about Messi. 824 00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:08,540 Only that he was going to play. 825 00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:10,900 I saw that he was just a young kid, 826 00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:16,260 but when the game started, he began doing incredible things. 827 00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:19,500 Rijkaard was the Barcelona coach back then. 828 00:53:20,580 --> 00:53:25,020 It was the Gamper trophy, a friendly match. 829 00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:28,700 The referee wasn't that strict and we could move about, 830 00:53:28,820 --> 00:53:31,060 so I walked over to Rijkaard 831 00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:37,500 and asked if I could take Messi on loan. 832 00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:41,460 You weren't allowed as many foreigners in your team back then. 833 00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:44,420 I said, "You've already got three foreign players. 834 00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:46,660 There's no place for him". 835 00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:52,300 But Rijkaard said that they were already looking for a solution 836 00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:58,660 and Messi would be a regular in the team very soon. 837 00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:00,260 It's just... 838 00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:03,260 How do you describe it? 839 00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:07,420 Basically everyone knew this guy is going to be the best in the world. 840 00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,260 And there was no doubt about it. 841 00:54:33,180 --> 00:54:34,260 842 00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:35,460 I knew about his goal scoring ability, 843 00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:39,500 and fortunately, Guardiola put him in that false nine position. 844 00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:42,220 It meant that alongside Eto'o and the other strikers, 845 00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:46,460 he had more freedom in attack. 846 00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:53,060 That tactical change was a huge benefit to him. 849 00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:19,940 It's very difficult to pick Leo's best goal. 850 00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:23,580 The one he scored against Getafe comes to mind. 851 00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:26,580 When you see what he produces day in day out, 852 00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:28,500 it's impossible to choose one goal. 854 00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:42,020 They were just flashes of Maradona against England. 855 00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:45,340 And I knew at that time, 856 00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:49,300 right in the moment that I've witnessed something incredible here. 857 00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:52,220 It's one of his great goals, probably one of the greatest, 858 00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:55,220 but if you get a video of his goals, 859 00:55:56,380 --> 00:56:02,180 he's probably scored another 50 like it, which makes him exceptional. 861 00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:16,900 One of my favorites is the goal he scored against Arsenal. 862 00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:20,460 It was like watching someone on the PlayStation. 863 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:27,140 He flicks it over Almunia at the last second and then scores. 864 00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:37,220 I love it because of that skill. 865 00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:40,540 Any other player would smash it into the net first time, 866 00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:45,940 but he had the composure to flick the ball up and then finish. 867 00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:49,580 The best goal I've seen him score was against Málaga at home 868 00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:52,220 because that defied logic what he did. 869 00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:56,420 Diagonal ball, controlled the ball on his chest, 870 00:56:57,180 --> 00:56:58,780 he runs full speed. 871 00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:03,780 The first player goes, the second player's just behind him. 872 00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:08,980 If he takes another step that player will clear the ball. 873 00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:11,940 OK, if you stop the ball on your left foot here, 874 00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:18,060 how do you go back with that same leg to touch the ball in the air, 875 00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:20,980 to make sure that guy doesn't touch it? 876 00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:22,540 Then he almost fell. 877 00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:25,580 He almost fell and smashed it to first post, top corner. 878 00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:27,820 That's not normal. 880 00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:35,220 Regardless of the fact that he's Messi, in training, he wants to win. 881 00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:39,340 He'll get annoyed if he doesn't get the ball 882 00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:41,540 and angry if he's fouled. 883 00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:44,580 And that tells you a lot about a champion like him. 884 00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:49,140 In training, if the boss doesn't call a foul or whatever, 885 00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:53,460 he used to go and ask, "It's not a foul? OK." 886 00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:57,780 He used to go and get the ball, run past everyone, score. 887 00:57:58,500 --> 00:57:59,980 Now you get the ball, you try to go, 888 00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,940 he runs after you, gets the ball back, scores, 889 00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:07,740 until he gets in a normal state again and he relaxes. 890 00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:09,460 Next thing you know you're 3-1 down. 891 00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:13,260 He's a player who's different from the rest. 892 00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:16,060 He's very talented and earns lots of money, 893 00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:21,700 but when you meet him it's like he isn't a star at all. 894 00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:25,060 895 00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:31,060 I've known him for ten or 12 years and he's not the most outgoing person 896 00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:35,060 but he's just a normal, humble guy. 897 00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:36,940 He's very quiet, 898 00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:40,700 but when his feet do the talking, he's unique. 899 00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:42,580 He's an absolute winner. 900 00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:47,060 He has the desire to always be the best on the pitch, 901 00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:51,020 and that's why he became the best player in the history of this game. 902 00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:53,100 904 00:58:56,700 --> 00:59:01,340 I was lucky enough to play against Pelé and Cruyff. 905 00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:02,700 I watched Maradona play. 906 00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:07,420 They have all made a big difference in this sport. 907 00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:09,660 But nowadays there is no one like Leo Messi. 908 00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:13,340 He does things that other players can't even think about doing. 909 00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:18,500 He does the impossible, the incredible. 910 00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:21,540 He moves at a different speed to everyone else. 911 00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:26,940 It's like the ball is glued to his foot and he keeps showing it to you 912 00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:31,740 and just when you think you can get it, it's already too late. 913 00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:40,100 It's difficult to talk about Leo and put it into our words 914 00:59:40,220 --> 00:59:42,020 because he's not on our planet. 915 00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:43,700 916 00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:46,260 In every game I'd be watching, waiting to see what he would do 917 00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:49,300 because he's the player who wins you every game. 918 00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:53,740 When he takes the ball, something's going to happen. 919 00:59:55,780 --> 00:59:57,140 920 00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:59,380 He's capable of starting the move and finishing it off, as well. 921 01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,180 Normally, players can do one or the other, 922 01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:08,060 But he's different. 924 01:00:10,460 --> 01:00:12,020 He's better than you with his right foot, left foot and head, 925 01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:14,020 at defending and attacking. 926 01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:15,220 He's faster, 927 01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:19,300 better at dribbling and passing. 928 01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:28,260 Goalkeeper? 929 01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:31,100 Well, we haven't put him in goal yet. 930 01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:35,220 But watch out if he tries that too! 931 01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:46,780 The impact and importance of Cruyff as a player 932 01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:49,780 and then the Dream Team coach at Barça, huge. 933 01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,340 But Joan Laporta's devotion to the Dutchman 934 01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:54,180 meant that he stood for election 935 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,940 and once he won the presidency, 936 01:00:56,060 --> 01:00:59,020 he ushered in that golden era of all-time 937 01:00:59,660 --> 01:01:04,060 by handing the GPS to Cruyff, about the football philosophy, 938 01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:06,940 and the appointment of the right men to implement it. 939 01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:10,540 It's for those three things: great player, brilliant coach, 940 01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:13,140 and the greatest ever professor, 941 01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:15,860 that Cruyff has become the most important man 942 01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:18,460 in the history of professional football. 943 01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:23,700 I think it was... it was crucial, the contribution of Cruyff. 944 01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:26,380 It wasn't like a day-to-day office job, 945 01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:31,060 but we knew that he was providing ideas and support. 947 01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:35,020 He advised us on all of our football decisions. 948 01:01:35,140 --> 01:01:38,340 Johan created and developed a certain style of football, 949 01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:44,540 and Rijkaard contributed his own personality, ideas and experience. 951 01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:51,780 People remember Pep's time in charge 952 01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:53,820 because it was a very successful era, 953 01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:57,660 but I'll never forget Frank's time at the club, 954 01:01:57,780 --> 01:02:00,140 which was also a very successful few years. 955 01:02:00,580 --> 01:02:05,540 During Madrid's Galáctico era, they were winning everything, 956 01:02:05,660 --> 01:02:07,660 and it felt like we couldn't beat them. 957 01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:10,140 But with Rijkaard, we put an end to that, 958 01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:14,980 which for me personally was a very proud moment. 959 01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:19,300 960 01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:28,540 Barça was already a huge brand, 961 01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:32,700 but we were looking at the museum and there was only one Champions League. 962 01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:46,420 If you watch the final, I don't think we deserved to lose. 964 01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:13,780 After the births of my children, that was the best night of my life. 965 01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:20,860 I honestly thought it would be my last game for Barça 966 01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,740 because I'd had a really tough year. 967 01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:28,300 It was thanks to Frank that I played that day. 968 01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:30,900 He was like a father to me. 969 01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:35,940 And in the end, we lifted the European Cup together. 970 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:43,620 After winning in Paris, that magical point, 971 01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:48,660 that turning point for the club, the following season wasn't that good. 972 01:03:48,780 --> 01:03:53,780 The leading players were not really leading the group properly. 973 01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:58,420 Maybe we had so much success so early that maybe it was too early. 974 01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:02,340 Slowly, but steadily, we were going in the wrong direction. 975 01:04:02,460 --> 01:04:06,300 The second season that I was here, Rijkaard was still in charge. 976 01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:12,660 I think it's one of the worst seasons in the recent history of Barcelona, 977 01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:14,060 where we came third. 978 01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:15,340 979 01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:18,180 We went backwards after winning in Paris 980 01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:20,060 and winning the league. 981 01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:25,460 We'd stopped competing. we'd lost our fire, our hunger. 982 01:04:25,580 --> 01:04:28,540 You could sense through the season that it was the end of an era. 983 01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:29,940 People wanted a change, 984 01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:33,420 and I was part of the people that they wanted out. 985 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:35,380 It was very difficult. 986 01:04:38,300 --> 01:04:39,420 987 01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:42,060 I've only been sent off twice: Once because the referee made a mistake 988 01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:43,620 and once at the Bernabéu. 989 01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:52,700 I felt angry and powerless. 990 01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:54,620 They were running rings around us. 991 01:04:54,740 --> 01:05:00,020 Never mind 4-1, we could have lost 7-1. 992 01:05:00,140 --> 01:05:03,300 It was one of the worst nights of my career, 993 01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:05,700 and the same goes for Puyol and everyone else. 994 01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:14,540 It just wasn't good enough. Not for the standards people set here. 995 01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:16,340 Not good enough for the club. 996 01:05:16,460 --> 01:05:19,940 And not good enough if you look at the players that we had. 997 01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:21,620 Something had to change. 998 01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:36,060 Mourinho does come out of this story as the bad guy, 999 01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:39,580 but in 2008, he was a perfectly legitimate candidate 1000 01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:42,220 to succeed the failing Frank Rijkaard. 1001 01:05:42,860 --> 01:05:43,860 He's a winner, 1002 01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:47,820 and it felt like a safer choice because he was a big brand 1003 01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:52,540 and he'd recently coached Chelsea, etc., and he was on the market. 1004 01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:53,660 1005 01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:55,340 It was a long process, there were many board members 1006 01:05:55,460 --> 01:05:56,460 who wanted Mourinho. 1007 01:05:56,580 --> 01:06:02,900 They argued that we needed a manager who would get results quickly. 1008 01:06:03,580 --> 01:06:07,700 Given there were four or five directors keen on Mourinho, 1009 01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:14,500 the vice president organized a meeting with him and off he went. 1010 01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:17,740 INGLA: By that time he was employing the 4-3-3, 1011 01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:19,420 he even prepared a PowerPoint 1012 01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:24,340 with some pitch positions of the players and typical movements. 1013 01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:27,020 I'm sure he would have been successful. 1014 01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:32,740 1015 01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:34,100 Mourinho helped us a lot when we were young players. 1016 01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:40,500 Van Gaal often sent him to take Barça B training. 1017 01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:43,340 1018 01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:45,540 I was with the under-19s and he'd coach us once a week. 1019 01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:51,780 It was the same style of football, the Barça philosophy. 1020 01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:53,180 1021 01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:55,620 The rondo, possession, holding onto the ball, positional play. 1022 01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:57,980 We worked on all of that with Mourinho. 1023 01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:00,860 You could understand that Mourinho felt 1024 01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:04,300 he should be in charge of making Barça the greatest team in the world. 1025 01:07:04,660 --> 01:07:07,700 But by 2008, Mourinho had changed radically. 1026 01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:12,460 It was about power, height, athleticism, over technique. 1027 01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:14,140 1028 01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:15,820 When he went to Chelsea, 1029 01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:19,860 Mourinho's philosophy of the game changed. 1030 01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:23,540 It's a very different style to the football we play at Barça. 1031 01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:27,460 1032 01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:30,460 We wanted to stay faithful to Cruyff's philosophy. 1033 01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:31,860 1034 01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:36,980 The president and Johan were good friends, 1035 01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:41,060 and Laporta had complete confidence in Johan's opinion. 1036 01:07:41,180 --> 01:07:44,980 Johan told him the man for the job was training the youth team. 1037 01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:47,740 All he needed to do was promote him. 1038 01:07:48,180 --> 01:07:52,140 There's a lot of football players... There were a lot of football players 1039 01:07:52,260 --> 01:07:54,540 that came to visit my father periodically. 1040 01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:55,660 My father loved that. 1041 01:07:55,780 --> 01:08:00,460 And I know Pep also loved that, and I know that they were meeting a lot. 1042 01:08:00,580 --> 01:08:04,780 So when my father had, what we could call a crazy idea 1043 01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:07,660 that the coach who was in Barça B in the third division, 1044 01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:11,100 or the third level at the time, to say, "Put him in the first team." 1045 01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:13,740 That's a big gamble. 1047 01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:16,140 I asked them if they thought Pep was ready, 1048 01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:20,620 and Txiki Begiristain and Johan, who saw him regularly, said he was. 1049 01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:23,380 Mourinho's agent called me and said, 1050 01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,860 "Are you going to appoint Mourinho or not? 1051 01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:30,780 Because if you're interested, we need to talk." 1052 01:08:30,900 --> 01:08:34,020 And I said to him, "No, Jorge. We've chosen Pep Guardiola." 1053 01:08:34,620 --> 01:08:37,300 So I told Pep that I wanted him to be the next manager 1054 01:08:37,420 --> 01:08:39,180 if the season didn't end well. 1055 01:08:39,660 --> 01:08:46,660 We were having lunch and Pep, half in jest, said to me, 1056 01:08:47,020 --> 01:08:51,100 "If you appoint me as coach I'll win everything for you." 1057 01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:52,380 He honestly said that. 1059 01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:04,020 When I heard that Guardiola would be our new manager, 1060 01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:07,180 I knew that everything would go well. 1061 01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:10,340 I hadn't worked with him as a coach but we were teammates 1062 01:09:10,460 --> 01:09:13,860 and I knew what a perfectionist he was. 1063 01:09:13,980 --> 01:09:15,780 And I thought, this is going to be great. 1065 01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:21,220 In retrospect, it's remarkable, but because of Euro 2008, 1066 01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:25,020 Guardiola's appointment had garnered very little media coverage in Spain 1067 01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:26,860 until the day of his presentation 1068 01:09:26,980 --> 01:09:31,100 when he sits there, lean, young, full head of hair, 1069 01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:33,540 the returning local hero and says, 1070 01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:37,620 "Everything changes." Ronaldinho, out! Deco, out! 1071 01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:41,540 Eto'o, out! Or, at best, third choice striker. 1072 01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:45,220 It was his statement of: "I'm in charge." 1074 01:09:46,860 --> 01:09:50,140 Just imagine what Samuel was like when he heard that. 1075 01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:55,780 It was like an explosion. 1078 01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:04,860 Given the kind of player I was, 1079 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,620 and considering what I'd done for the club, 1080 01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:11,420 it would have been nice for Pep to have called me with the news. 1081 01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:13,580 It's always better to be straight with people. 1082 01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:15,900 It was a big shock to find out that way. 1084 01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:22,340 Tactically, he's the best in the world. I've always said that. 1085 01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:24,420 He understands the game better than anyone, 1086 01:10:24,540 --> 01:10:25,980 but I'll be even better 1087 01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:28,500 because I'll be up front with people. 1088 01:10:29,180 --> 01:10:30,540 1089 01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:32,740 Samuel took training seriously. He trained as hard as he played. 1090 01:10:33,780 --> 01:10:35,620 Every manager loved Eto'o 1091 01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:40,460 but at training, it was all or nothing with him 1092 01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:42,540 and he often caused problems. 1093 01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:47,180 I remember Rijkaard told me we had to get rid of Samuel 1094 01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:52,260 because he grabbed one of the assistants by the scruff of the neck 1095 01:10:52,380 --> 01:10:54,660 for giving him offside in training. 1096 01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:57,180 But that passion is also good. 1097 01:10:57,660 --> 01:11:01,020 I remember the pre-season training camp in St Andrews. 1098 01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:02,460 We were all curious. 1099 01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:04,780 We'd sold Deco and Ronaldinho, 1100 01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:07,060 but I was keen to keep Eto'o, 1101 01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:10,900 and I told him that I'd try to keep him. 1103 01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:13,260 He was brilliant during that pre-season. 1104 01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:16,180 He worked harder and ran more than anyone else. 1105 01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:21,340 In the pre-season games he scored more than anyone. 1106 01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:25,620 So the captains went to see Pep... 1107 01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:27,860 I hope Pep doesn't get annoyed I'm sharing this! 1108 01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:32,060 They told Pep that... Eto'o would be a big help that season. 1109 01:11:33,020 --> 01:11:35,540 The guy they wanted to kick out saved them. 1110 01:11:35,660 --> 01:11:37,820 Everyone talks about Messi these days, 1111 01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:40,820 but the one who made the difference at Barça back then 1112 01:11:40,940 --> 01:11:42,900 wasn't Ronaldinho. It was Eto'o. 1113 01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:46,660 When things got difficult, it was me they all looked to. 1114 01:11:50,220 --> 01:11:52,620 The team could have played without a manager. 1115 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,580 Guardiola's job was to reinstall a desire to win, 1116 01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:59,580 and he achieved that with his team talks. 1118 01:12:09,980 --> 01:12:12,140 After his first team talk in St Andrews... 1119 01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:16,380 I knew that something big was about to happen. 1120 01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:20,820 I'd never heard anyone convey a message like that before. 1121 01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:26,340 At that moment, everyone knew that things would go well. 1123 01:12:27,940 --> 01:12:28,980 Pep spoke to the players a lot. 1124 01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:32,100 Maybe his most famous team talk was when he said, 1125 01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:36,060 "You can miss a penalty or mess up a pass. 1126 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:37,340 "You're only human. 1127 01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:44,020 "But I'll never forgive you if you don't give me 100%." 1128 01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:46,980 1129 01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:48,820 There are very few people who communicate as well as he does. 1130 01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:54,500 He makes his players believe in what they have to do. 1131 01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:57,420 And he convinces you that it will work. 1132 01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:59,380 From the first minute, 1133 01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:06,140 we all believed that a change was coming 1134 01:13:06,260 --> 01:13:08,180 and that we could achieve big things. 1135 01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:09,660 1136 01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:12,900 Pep's team talks were exactly what I needed. 1137 01:13:14,740 --> 01:13:17,380 He was so passionate when he spoke. 1138 01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:19,260 I love a challenge. 1139 01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:23,700 I really like having to work at something important. 1140 01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:27,100 So when they told me everything was going to change at Barça, 1141 01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:29,860 that a new coach and new players were arriving, 1142 01:13:29,980 --> 01:13:32,180 I decided that was where I wanted to be. 1143 01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:33,780 1144 01:13:33,980 --> 01:13:35,180 I joined up with the team for pre-season 1145 01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:36,860 and I needed to talk to Guardiola. 1146 01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:40,580 I told him I'd had offers to join other teams. 1147 01:13:41,460 --> 01:13:43,940 Ten seconds is what it took. 1148 01:13:44,060 --> 01:13:47,740 He told me he had three or four line-ups in mind 1149 01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,540 and he couldn't imagine a single one without me in it. 1150 01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:54,380 I told my brother, my agent and everyone else 1151 01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:56,260 not to listen to any other offers. 1152 01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:59,260 It was a good start in pre-season 1153 01:13:59,380 --> 01:14:00,780 and the freshness about the team 1154 01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:03,380 and a lot of hard work and well-prepared, 1155 01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:05,980 but the season itself didn't start that well. 1156 01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:18,860 I actually saw that game with my father, here at home. 1157 01:14:18,980 --> 01:14:20,700 And they lost to Numancia. 1158 01:14:20,820 --> 01:14:23,980 And immediately the attacks, "He's not prepared for this." 1159 01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:26,780 My father said, "It's one of the best games in years!" 1160 01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:31,180 You know, come on! Give us a break! It was not the best game. 1161 01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:34,820 Most of us, including me, probably saw the game and said, 1162 01:14:34,940 --> 01:14:36,740 "Wow! This doesn't smell good." 1163 01:14:37,180 --> 01:14:40,220 My father never looked at the end product of 90 minutes. 1164 01:14:40,340 --> 01:14:43,420 My father looked at the end product of many years to come. 1165 01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:50,340 1166 01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:56,460 It was really a big moment for myself, 1167 01:14:56,580 --> 01:15:00,660 and it was probably an even bigger moment for the team and for the club 1168 01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:02,820 because we needed that victory. 1169 01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:05,460 If we'd drawn that game, 1170 01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:08,540 the question marks would have started flying around. 1171 01:15:09,860 --> 01:15:13,180 And once we found that click, once we got that first victory, 1172 01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:16,140 there was no stopping us. 1173 01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:34,620 1174 01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:39,820 Guardiola taught us so much, but he also explained why we did things. 1175 01:15:39,940 --> 01:15:42,300 Most of us already understood the reasons 1176 01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:45,860 because we'd spent years at Barça, 1177 01:15:45,980 --> 01:15:49,060 but the guys from other clubs noticed a huge change 1178 01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:50,980 when Guardiola took over. 1179 01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:56,380 1180 01:15:56,540 --> 01:16:01,420 He was the coach who completely changed my outlook. 1181 01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:08,180 When I arrived here he showed me an entirely new way 1182 01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:11,940 of seeing, playing, and thinking about football. 1183 01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:14,180 1184 01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:18,220 It always reminded me of the tactics of a basketball team, 1185 01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:21,540 when they have the ball and start signaling to each other 1186 01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:23,900 that they're going to try a certain play. 1187 01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:25,420 It was a bit like that. 1188 01:16:28,180 --> 01:16:29,300 It was fantastic. 1189 01:16:29,420 --> 01:16:31,500 I was never allowed to kick the ball long, 1190 01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:35,580 and from the very first minute I was involved in the tactics. 1191 01:16:35,700 --> 01:16:38,340 So I had to really concentrate all the time, 1192 01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:45,300 which meant every match flew by really fast. 1193 01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:49,620 It was great because I'd been used to a more direct style of football 1194 01:16:49,740 --> 01:16:55,180 and sometimes all I'd be thinking about was how boring the games were. 1195 01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:56,620 1196 01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:57,900 1197 01:16:58,020 --> 01:17:00,820 I was in my element because Guardiola and I shared the same philosophy. 1198 01:17:00,940 --> 01:17:05,940 I'd think, don't clear it, pass it, and Guardiola would say exactly that. 1199 01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:12,060 But my football philosophy isn't the same as Abidal's or Henry's 1200 01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:14,940 or Hleb's or Yaya Toure's. 1201 01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:20,780 They thought they were playing well, and at other clubs they would have been. 1202 01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:23,580 Not at Barça. It's a different kind of football. 1203 01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:27,060 Whoa, hang on! That's new. Let me assess it. Let me see it. 1204 01:17:27,180 --> 01:17:29,580 Let me put my pride on the side, also. 1205 01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:34,100 Because that team had a lot of guys that are all kings in their country. 1206 01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:37,460 To tell a guy that used to do maybe stuff or whatever, 1207 01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:40,500 "No, stay there. Don't do that. Make that run for him." 1208 01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:44,660 "What? What do you mean? I can play football too!" 1209 01:17:45,180 --> 01:17:46,860 Pep's methods were different. 1210 01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:49,820 He was very hands-on, always intervening. 1211 01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:53,020 I remember Abidal and a few others coming to me and saying, 1212 01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:55,340 "This guy's changing everything!" 1213 01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:57,620 1214 01:17:57,700 --> 01:17:58,980 I wasn't some 15-year-old kid. 1215 01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:03,380 If you treat me with respect, I'll do the same in return, 1216 01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:05,420 but if not, why should I respect you? 1217 01:18:05,540 --> 01:18:08,260 So I said to Pep, "You can't speak to me like that." 1218 01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:11,300 I went to the president and told him, "If this continues, I'm off." 1219 01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:15,580 Abi came from Lyon, where he had another way of playing. 1220 01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:18,820 Look at the Abidal that arrived, 1221 01:18:19,740 --> 01:18:22,340 and look at the Abidal three years after. 1222 01:18:23,060 --> 01:18:26,180 Crosses, putting the ball down and passing it out. 1223 01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:28,380 Before he would have cleared it straight away. 1224 01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:32,180 He wouldn't have been that composed in the last third. 1225 01:18:33,060 --> 01:18:34,180 1226 01:18:34,340 --> 01:18:37,860 I think Pep's a football genius. 1227 01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:44,460 Sometimes he can be a bit controlling, checking every last detail. 1228 01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:46,460 Some guys accept and respect that, 1229 01:18:46,580 --> 01:18:51,020 but there are others who say, "You know where you can stick that." 1230 01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:53,300 I arrived here. I was 21. 1231 01:18:53,420 --> 01:18:57,460 And for me it was like love and hate at the same time 1232 01:18:57,580 --> 01:19:02,060 because every minute of your life, you have to be focused on football. 1233 01:19:02,180 --> 01:19:05,220 Twelve o'clock you have to go to bed to sleep. 1234 01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:09,500 You have to eat well. He wants to control you in every way. 1235 01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:13,220 "Don't go and watch the tennis, don't stay under the sun, 1236 01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:15,780 don't go to the Formula 1, don't go to this. 1237 01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:17,100 We're here on a mission." 1238 01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:21,220 He wanted to know everything. What we ate, what we... Whatever! 1239 01:19:21,780 --> 01:19:23,380 He was so obsessed 1240 01:19:23,500 --> 01:19:29,620 that sometimes we had some arguments between him and me. 1241 01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:30,900 1242 01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:32,700 Gerard is one of my best friends, 1243 01:19:32,780 --> 01:19:36,740 but I believe a manager has to be like that. 1244 01:19:36,860 --> 01:19:39,420 During training, we always had to give 100%, 1245 01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:41,820 but I'd done that my entire career. 1246 01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:44,340 In my opinion, that's how football should be. 1247 01:19:44,580 --> 01:19:46,500 On the one hand, he was very demanding. 1248 01:19:46,620 --> 01:19:50,900 We all had to have lunch at the training ground every day. 1249 01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:53,060 He controlled our weight, what we ate. 1250 01:19:53,180 --> 01:19:56,460 He completely revolutionized the team's diet. 1251 01:19:56,580 --> 01:19:59,820 But on the other hand, he gave us the night off before matches. 1252 01:20:00,740 --> 01:20:04,380 As a player, he always complained that we spent too much time in hotels. 1253 01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:05,620 1254 01:20:05,740 --> 01:20:08,860 Initially, it seemed like a strange decision 1255 01:20:08,980 --> 01:20:11,020 because we weren't used to it, 1256 01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:14,980 but I think it was one of the best decisions he made. 1257 01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:18,340 For me where Pep was, at times, ahead of the game... 1258 01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:22,380 The fact that, Champions League final, 1259 01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:27,460 in the hotel: family, kids, wives. 1260 01:20:27,540 --> 01:20:29,420 My brother was in my room, midnight. 1261 01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:35,580 Girlfriend, friends, we're just talking, I made a cup of coffee, chilling. 1262 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:37,420 You play for any other team, 1263 01:20:37,540 --> 01:20:42,780 "Don't do this, don't do that. No. You have to concentrate." 1264 01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:44,220 1265 01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:49,020 We were lucky because Pep had only recently retired 1266 01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:53,620 and he understood what the life of a top footballer was like. 1267 01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:56,340 1268 01:20:56,420 --> 01:20:59,180 We'd go to every training session and match with a spring in our step 1269 01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:01,940 because he was treating us well. He understood us. 1270 01:21:02,940 --> 01:21:07,020 Listen, I say it every single time to my friends. 1271 01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:09,580 When the ref was blowing the whistle, 1272 01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:13,860 I used to look at the time and say, "Already?" 1273 01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:16,140 I didn't want the game to end. 1274 01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:20,660 I didn't want the game to end. I was like, "I'm enjoying this." 1275 01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:22,740 1276 01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:25,260 We had a great teacher and we were like sponges, 1277 01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:27,740 absorbing everything he taught us. 1278 01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:30,540 It makes no difference how great the teacher is 1279 01:21:30,660 --> 01:21:35,340 if the students aren't capable of understanding the message. 1280 01:21:35,460 --> 01:21:38,980 It all came together perfectly. 1281 01:21:43,340 --> 01:21:44,420 1282 01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:45,660 We won everything because we were the best team, 1283 01:21:45,780 --> 01:21:48,860 but we also had the luck of champions. 1284 01:21:48,980 --> 01:21:51,300 There were some epic moments that season. 1285 01:21:51,420 --> 01:21:56,460 Like when winning the Cup hinged on one crucial moment 1286 01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:59,140 when Pinto saved a penalty against Mallorca. 1287 01:22:00,540 --> 01:22:03,580 1288 01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:07,940 1289 01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:09,140 We were losing 1-0, 1290 01:22:09,260 --> 01:22:14,820 and at the start of the second half we conceded a penalty 1291 01:22:14,940 --> 01:22:17,580 and Martín Cáceres was sent off. 1292 01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:24,700 So I thought I'd try and unsettle the penalty taker. 1293 01:22:25,260 --> 01:22:27,700 I said, "Where are you going to put the penalty?" 1294 01:22:27,820 --> 01:22:32,140 He didn't answer, so I said, "I'm going to dive that way." 1295 01:22:32,260 --> 01:22:36,340 And I got lucky, I went the right way and made the save. 1296 01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:40,980 It gave us a massive boost. 1297 01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:43,140 And then Leo came on. 1298 01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:46,260 He got fouled, their defender was sent off, 1299 01:22:46,380 --> 01:22:47,980 and he scored a wonder-goal. 1300 01:22:48,980 --> 01:22:50,220 1301 01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:53,660 In La Liga, if we lost at the Bernabéu, they'd have cut the gap at the top. 1302 01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:56,580 But we won 6-2, which won us the league. 1303 01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:58,140 That was the key game. 1304 01:22:58,260 --> 01:23:00,740 They were four points behind us, 1305 01:23:00,860 --> 01:23:04,500 and if they beat us, it was really tough to win the league. 1306 01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:07,660 But we played one of the best games I've ever seen. 1307 01:23:15,340 --> 01:23:16,700 1308 01:23:16,820 --> 01:23:18,100 I really enjoyed it. It was one of the best games ever. 1309 01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:20,820 When I die, I'll probably be thinking about that night. 1310 01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:22,140 1311 01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:24,300 Puyol kissing the captain's armband Messi scoring goals, 1312 01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:27,780 and Henry and Piqué. Oh, fantastic! 1313 01:23:28,780 --> 01:23:32,940 I obviously had to behave appropriately but what a feeling! 1314 01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:53,340 It's weird because it's eight years ago. 1315 01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:57,660 I always watch it on television. I've watched that goal a hundred times. 1316 01:23:57,780 --> 01:24:03,380 So I always remember this image. I cannot remember what I felt. 1317 01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:07,220 Obviously, it was like an unbelievable feeling 1318 01:24:07,340 --> 01:24:09,580 because it was a tremendous game. 1319 01:24:10,460 --> 01:24:11,740 1320 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:14,980 But the 6-2 was extra special because of our tactics. 1321 01:24:16,700 --> 01:24:19,420 That's when that fake nine whole thing started. 1322 01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:23,220 1323 01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:24,700 Pep called me the day before the game 1324 01:24:24,820 --> 01:24:27,420 and told me to come down to the training ground. 1325 01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:30,700 He was keen to discuss a new position. 1326 01:24:30,820 --> 01:24:33,740 He'd been watching videos of games with Tito. 1327 01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:36,420 He said he wanted to try something different. 1328 01:24:36,540 --> 01:24:39,460 The red glasses are Barça, the others are Real Madrid. 1329 01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:41,100 Pep changed our system 1330 01:24:41,220 --> 01:24:44,660 and told Henry to play between the right-back and center-back, 1331 01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:47,260 with Eto'o between the center-back and left-back. 1332 01:24:47,380 --> 01:24:51,140 Guardiola had analyzed the Madrid center-backs 1333 01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:55,940 and noticed they never came out to press the number nine. 1334 01:24:58,060 --> 01:25:01,100 Thanks to the false nine, we outnumbered them in midfield 1335 01:25:01,220 --> 01:25:03,020 when Messi dropped back. 1336 01:25:03,140 --> 01:25:06,380 We always had an extra man. 1337 01:25:07,260 --> 01:25:11,140 Pep said we'd outnumber them throughout the entire game. 1338 01:25:11,220 --> 01:25:12,300 He was right. 1339 01:25:12,420 --> 01:25:14,060 We'd never played that way, 1340 01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:15,500 1341 01:25:15,660 --> 01:25:19,900 so Madrid hadn't studied the possibility of us playing like that. 1342 01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:22,660 The center-backs didn't know whether to mark me or not, 1343 01:25:22,780 --> 01:25:27,220 which meant I had lots of space when I dropped back. 1344 01:25:27,340 --> 01:25:30,140 And as soon as the defenders came out to close me down, 1345 01:25:30,260 --> 01:25:32,860 Eto'o and Henry made runs in behind. 1346 01:25:32,980 --> 01:25:35,380 That's what happened for Henry's first goal. 1347 01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:38,460 It was a great performance. 1348 01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:41,420 And it worked out because on that goal that Leo gave me 1349 01:25:41,540 --> 01:25:42,980 that's exactly what happened. 1350 01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:46,780 He was in a position where they didn't know if they have to come and get him, 1351 01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:50,340 but I'm running in behind, Sam was running on the other side, 1352 01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:51,860 and it worked out. 1353 01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:55,660 1354 01:25:55,740 --> 01:26:00,100 It wasn't so robotic because we also improvised. 1355 01:26:00,220 --> 01:26:02,300 Robots would be like, 1356 01:26:02,420 --> 01:26:06,020 "I. Go. Here. Now. I. Go. There." 1357 01:26:06,140 --> 01:26:08,940 No. There was always room to be creative. 1358 01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:15,940 But 60% of our match strategy was set in stone before kick-off. 1359 01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:19,940 The other 40% was down to our improvisations. 1360 01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:25,820 1361 01:26:25,940 --> 01:26:27,380 In the Champions League, 1362 01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:31,980 if it hadn't been for Iniesta's goal, we were out. 1363 01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:33,780 A 92nd-minute goal. 1364 01:26:43,820 --> 01:26:45,340 1365 01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:50,020 I was sat with the captain Carles Puyol, who was suspended. 1366 01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:51,540 Bam, Chelsea go 1-0 up. 1367 01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:53,820 And Puyol said to me, 1368 01:26:53,940 --> 01:26:58,580 "Don't worry, it's fine. We'll score at the end." 1369 01:26:58,700 --> 01:27:04,900 There I was watching it and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh! We are gonna lose here." 1370 01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:06,460 1371 01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:08,460 The minutes kept ticking away, and I didn't have the nerve to say, 1372 01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:12,260 "Look skipper, you were wrong! This ain't gonna happen!" 1373 01:27:12,860 --> 01:27:14,340 1374 01:27:14,460 --> 01:27:17,100 I knew that if we could just hold on, 1375 01:27:17,220 --> 01:27:22,860 because we were under the cosh, we'd definitely create one last chance. 1376 01:27:22,980 --> 01:27:26,340 And then little Andrés arrived to save the day. 1377 01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:51,140 1378 01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:55,820 Every time I watch that goal, it sparks so many emotions 1379 01:27:55,940 --> 01:28:00,020 because it was such a significant moment for my club. 1380 01:28:00,820 --> 01:28:03,220 I'll never get tired of watching it. 1381 01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:04,580 1382 01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:06,420 It's because of moments like this that we love football. 1383 01:28:09,340 --> 01:28:12,660 The only thing that beats it is sex. 1384 01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:13,940 1385 01:28:14,020 --> 01:28:15,340 That was the most important goal in this whole story. 1386 01:28:15,460 --> 01:28:17,780 If we hadn't reached that final in Rome, 1387 01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:21,340 we probably wouldn't still be talking about Pep's Barça. 1388 01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:31,700 I don't know how I played. 1389 01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:38,300 Iniesta... I don't know how he played. 1390 01:28:38,780 --> 01:28:41,700 We were on a mission. We didn't want to let that one go. 1391 01:28:42,020 --> 01:28:43,740 1392 01:28:43,900 --> 01:28:45,980 We had a chance to win the treble. 1393 01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:50,140 We'd just gone through the drama of Stamford Bridge. 1394 01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:55,100 When we won the Champions League against Arsenal in Paris, 1395 01:28:55,220 --> 01:28:56,940 I wasn't picked to start. 1396 01:28:57,060 --> 01:28:59,900 So I had to play this time. 1397 01:29:00,020 --> 01:29:04,820 No matter the risk or possible consequences. 1398 01:29:04,940 --> 01:29:05,980 1399 01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:07,620 I advised him not to shoot powerfully from distance 1400 01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:13,980 because there was a big risk he'd tear his muscle again. 1401 01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:15,580 Yaya played center back. 1402 01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:18,580 Sylvinho wasn't even playing that season, he played. 1403 01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:20,100 Puyol played right back. 1404 01:29:20,220 --> 01:29:22,660 Some people were like, "Hmm, people are missing. 1405 01:29:22,780 --> 01:29:25,100 Two guys are starting injured." 1406 01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:26,460 1407 01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:28,380 We knew we'd win the game, because Pep told us we'd win. 1408 01:29:28,500 --> 01:29:30,140 Pep's a genius. 1409 01:29:30,260 --> 01:29:35,020 He'd tell us exactly what we needed to do in order to win. 1410 01:29:35,140 --> 01:29:36,540 I hope he will never change 1411 01:29:36,660 --> 01:29:41,420 because he is, for me, the future of the game. 1412 01:29:41,540 --> 01:29:42,620 1413 01:29:42,820 --> 01:29:44,220 Some matches looked impossible to win, 1414 01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:48,260 but after 20 minutes, we'd have them wrapped up, 1415 01:29:48,860 --> 01:29:52,460 like the game against Manchester United in Rome. 1416 01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:56,100 What manager would show you a video 1417 01:29:57,580 --> 01:29:59,140 five minutes before a Champions League final? 1418 01:29:59,220 --> 01:30:00,300 Only him. 1419 01:30:00,420 --> 01:30:04,380 We don't know what was happening. We go inside. There's a screen. 1420 01:30:05,220 --> 01:30:08,340 The boss asks us to stand in front of the screen 1421 01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:10,580 and we are basically waiting. 1422 01:30:10,660 --> 01:30:12,060 1423 01:30:12,180 --> 01:30:14,380 Pep and Tito had made a spectacular video 1424 01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:16,300 featuring every single one of us. 1425 01:30:16,420 --> 01:30:19,500 With the music of Gladiator, I think it was. 1426 01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:23,340 -We see the whole journey to the final. 1427 01:30:24,580 --> 01:30:28,300 Sad moments, good moments, struggles. 1428 01:30:29,660 --> 01:30:31,260 1429 01:30:31,340 --> 01:30:35,260 After Iniesta's goal at Stamford Bridge I got a text message from Pep... 1430 01:30:35,380 --> 01:30:38,620 "I need your help to win the Champions League." 1431 01:30:38,740 --> 01:30:43,820 The first feedback I received was on the night before the game. 1432 01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:48,340 Pep gathered his technical staff and showed them the video. 1433 01:30:48,460 --> 01:30:49,700 1434 01:30:49,780 --> 01:30:50,900 As soon as I saw it, 1435 01:30:51,020 --> 01:30:54,220 I honestly knew we'd win the Champions League final. 1436 01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:59,940 It was so powerful. It was... It was so powerful 1437 01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:04,100 that I would say, also, it was too powerful. 1438 01:31:04,220 --> 01:31:05,500 1439 01:31:05,660 --> 01:31:09,180 As a motivational tool, the video was a total disaster. 1440 01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:11,900 In the opening ten minutes, if it wasn't for Víctor... 1441 01:31:16,980 --> 01:31:18,140 they'd have scored twice! 1442 01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:19,780 1443 01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:21,660 Er... the boss was very sentimental. 1444 01:31:22,020 --> 01:31:25,220 I went to the dressing room and was told I couldn't go in. 1445 01:31:25,300 --> 01:31:26,380 "What?" 1446 01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:28,740 They said the boss was preparing something. 1447 01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:31,540 When we finally got in, we had no time to prepare 1448 01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:32,860 and it was sweltering hot. 1449 01:31:32,980 --> 01:31:37,820 Then he showed us a video that had all of us in tears. 1450 01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:41,700 We went onto the pitch and Andrea Bocelli was singing, 1451 01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:43,620 which almost set us off again. 1452 01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:47,580 Manchester United must have wondered what was wrong with us. 1453 01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:50,780 We were in pieces. 1454 01:31:50,900 --> 01:31:54,180 After the video, he said, "Guys, at the end of the game, 1455 01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:57,060 "I want people to say that we can play football. 1456 01:31:58,180 --> 01:31:59,420 "Have a good game." 1457 01:32:19,380 --> 01:32:22,620 We went into the game believing we had a great chance of winning. 1458 01:32:22,740 --> 01:32:26,700 The first, might've been ten, 15 minutes, we started really well. 1459 01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:30,180 Probably out of nowhere, I've headed one down in midfield, 1460 01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:33,380 Iniesta's picked it up, made a run, and all of a sudden, 1461 01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:35,420 boom, Eto'o and you're one down. 1462 01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:39,020 Maybe from that moment on they just... 1463 01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:42,620 That was what they needed. Take a deep breath, 1464 01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:44,660 just get the ball and start passing it, 1465 01:32:44,780 --> 01:32:47,060 and gradually, sucking the life out of us. 1466 01:32:47,180 --> 01:32:51,620 You know when you play against someone and you look in their eyes, 1467 01:32:51,740 --> 01:32:53,460 and it's over. 1468 01:32:53,580 --> 01:32:55,540 I think it was Wayne Rooney. 1469 01:32:55,660 --> 01:32:58,420 He was trying to get the ball and we were keeping the ball, 1470 01:32:58,540 --> 01:33:02,740 and you could see the look. He was defeated. 1471 01:33:02,860 --> 01:33:07,980 The quality they had, on the night, was too good for us. 1472 01:33:08,660 --> 01:33:11,180 That was the one, for us, that hurt the most. 1473 01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:13,940 It took me quite some time to get over that. 1474 01:33:14,060 --> 01:33:15,580 1475 01:33:15,660 --> 01:33:18,220 We knew it would be historic to win the treble in our first year 1476 01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:21,500 playing our brand of football, with the players we had. 1477 01:33:21,620 --> 01:33:25,620 And after Leo made it 2-0, we knew the trophy was ours. 1478 01:33:25,740 --> 01:33:27,020 1479 01:33:27,140 --> 01:33:29,180 It was exactly how I'd visualized it. 1480 01:33:29,820 --> 01:33:33,500 The ball looped over the goalkeeper and in. 1481 01:33:33,620 --> 01:33:36,060 It was an unforgettable moment. 1482 01:33:55,740 --> 01:33:59,300 It was a statement of greatness to begin your reign with a treble. 1483 01:33:59,420 --> 01:34:03,140 But the football reached its high point at Wembley in 2011, 1484 01:34:03,260 --> 01:34:06,940 before which, Johan Cruyff said that Guardiola should probably 1485 01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:08,780 walk away from the job 1486 01:34:08,900 --> 01:34:12,900 after three hugely intense years and ten trophies lifted. 1487 01:34:13,020 --> 01:34:15,020 Everything had come at a cost. 1488 01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:17,660 A significant part of that cost 1489 01:34:17,780 --> 01:34:21,180 was that Pep was now getting on far less well with his employers, 1490 01:34:21,300 --> 01:34:24,500 given that Joan Laporta had ended his presidential reign, 1491 01:34:24,620 --> 01:34:28,700 and the new guy, Sandro Rosell, had taken over. 1492 01:34:28,820 --> 01:34:33,500 In his final year, Guardiola was frustrated and tired. 1493 01:34:33,620 --> 01:34:36,820 Given the burnout that we saw in him in year four, 1494 01:34:36,940 --> 01:34:40,180 I'll bet you that Guardiola thinks that Cruyff had it exactly right. 1495 01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:41,380 1496 01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:42,740 Pep had become very uptight. 1497 01:34:42,860 --> 01:34:45,980 He stressed about things that hadn't bothered him before. 1498 01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:51,020 We played a pre-season game at the Dallas Cowboys stadium, 1499 01:34:52,540 --> 01:34:56,180 and I overheard Guardiola talking to Puyol and Piqué. 1500 01:34:56,620 --> 01:34:59,580 It was an unimportant pre-season friendly 1501 01:34:59,700 --> 01:35:04,500 but Guardiola raised his voice to them. 1502 01:35:05,660 --> 01:35:10,220 When I saw that, I said to Andrés Iniesta, 1503 01:35:10,340 --> 01:35:12,380 "He's leaving. This is his last year." 1504 01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:14,500 1505 01:35:14,580 --> 01:35:16,900 Even geniuses make mistakes and Pep definitely got that wrong 1506 01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:20,860 because it felt like we didn't matter to him anymore. 1507 01:35:20,940 --> 01:35:22,220 1508 01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:27,140 We didn't know what was going on with Pep, 1509 01:35:27,260 --> 01:35:31,500 which caused some uncertainty within the group. 1510 01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:36,660 Pep usually renewed his contract in February or March, 1511 01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:39,620 but February passed with no news. 1512 01:35:39,740 --> 01:35:43,540 Then March passed and we still didn't know anything. 1513 01:35:43,660 --> 01:35:45,060 1514 01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:47,420 I really struggled to understand what was happening. 1515 01:35:49,820 --> 01:35:54,460 And we had a few bust-ups about it. 1516 01:35:54,580 --> 01:35:58,500 That year, if Pep had told me to jump from the Camp Nou stands, 1517 01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:02,860 I'd have sprinted down the steps. I wouldn't have jumped! 1518 01:36:02,980 --> 01:36:04,260 1519 01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:06,620 When you work with the same coaching staff for so long, 1520 01:36:06,740 --> 01:36:09,500 relationships change. 1521 01:36:09,620 --> 01:36:14,180 It's very difficult to maintain the dynamic and to keep on winning. 1522 01:36:14,300 --> 01:36:17,940 We won the Copa del Rey Final in his last game, 1523 01:36:18,060 --> 01:36:22,100 and it was the perfect end to his time with us. 1524 01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:29,860 1525 01:36:29,940 --> 01:36:33,900 That day everyone got to see the team he had built again. 1526 01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,700 After 30 minutes, we were leading 3-0 1527 01:36:37,820 --> 01:36:44,260 against the best Athletic Bilbao side in years. 1528 01:36:44,820 --> 01:36:48,300 Signing off by winning the Copa del Rey in that style 1529 01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:52,140 on his last night in charge should have been the perfect send-off, 1530 01:36:52,260 --> 01:36:56,460 but he walked away with a distinctly bittersweet feeling. 1531 01:36:57,660 --> 01:37:01,980 Mostly because he felt ill-treated and under-appreciated. 1532 01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:10,300 1533 01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:15,540 My lasting memory of that cup final is a sense of sadness. 1534 01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:21,420 It was the end of something wonderful, so it's normal to feel sad. 1535 01:37:21,980 --> 01:37:24,700 But there was something else that troubled me. 1536 01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:30,780 The attempts to demolish and destroy everything we'd achieved. 1537 01:37:30,900 --> 01:37:34,580 I don't understand the motivation. Things had gone well and we'd won! 1538 01:37:34,700 --> 01:37:38,020 Surely that's what you hold onto, that's what you remember. 1539 01:37:38,140 --> 01:37:42,300 But no, they didn't care about what we'd achieved. 1540 01:37:42,420 --> 01:37:46,860 All they did was focus on the negatives. 1541 01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:49,700 I think the club's got a problem. 1542 01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:52,260 1543 01:37:52,340 --> 01:37:53,780 Barça is a bit strange in that respect. 1544 01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:56,780 I've learned the most important thing in life is to be grateful 1545 01:37:56,900 --> 01:38:00,820 to the people who make a difference in your life. 1546 01:38:00,940 --> 01:38:04,940 After everything he'd done for the club, 1547 01:38:05,060 --> 01:38:08,340 Guardiola didn't get the recognition he deserved. 1548 01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:15,100 1549 01:38:15,180 --> 01:38:16,820 Announcing his departure at a press conference 1550 01:38:16,940 --> 01:38:20,340 and then immediately revealing who would replace him 1551 01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:25,700 in front of the whole squad and the board members... 1552 01:38:26,460 --> 01:38:29,980 I don't think it was the right way to say goodbye to the boss. 1553 01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:32,220 1554 01:38:32,300 --> 01:38:34,420 On the advice of the director of football, Andoni Zubizarreta 1555 01:38:35,260 --> 01:38:37,620 and after consulting the board, 1556 01:38:37,740 --> 01:38:41,140 I can announce that the next Barça coach will be Tito Vilanova. 1557 01:38:42,980 --> 01:38:44,260 1558 01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:46,420 I think they should build a statue of Pep at the Camp Nou. 1559 01:38:47,540 --> 01:38:50,220 In the president's box. 1560 01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:51,940 That's what I think anyway. 1561 01:38:52,060 --> 01:38:53,540 1562 01:38:53,620 --> 01:38:55,660 The best way to remember Guardiola's Barça 1563 01:38:55,780 --> 01:38:58,580 is to put on a DVD and watch the matches we played 1564 01:38:58,700 --> 01:39:02,620 during his four seasons here as manager. 1565 01:39:11,300 --> 01:39:12,340 1566 01:39:12,420 --> 01:39:13,580 He invented a new way of playing. 1567 01:39:13,660 --> 01:39:15,860 He had a special group of players, 1568 01:39:15,980 --> 01:39:18,220 but he knew exactly what to do with them. 1569 01:39:18,860 --> 01:39:21,140 He followed the philosophy of his maestro, 1570 01:39:21,260 --> 01:39:23,260 the man who taught us all, Johan Cruyff. 1571 01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:47,660 1572 01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:49,500 It's a bit like the best cars. 1573 01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:52,540 Cruyff was the first great model, the Mark 1 1574 01:39:52,660 --> 01:39:54,220 and Pep is the Mark 2. 1575 01:39:56,820 --> 01:40:02,660 But I think Xavi will be in the same league 1576 01:40:02,780 --> 01:40:04,740 when he returns as coach. 1577 01:40:04,860 --> 01:40:10,460 When he comes back, he'll be the Mark 3. 1578 01:40:11,900 --> 01:40:16,180 In my father's mind, he was always el listo de la clase, 1579 01:40:16,300 --> 01:40:19,580 the intelligent one of the class, the clever guy. 1580 01:40:19,700 --> 01:40:21,980 The only problem will be that when already now 1581 01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:25,540 everybody is pumping this up, then the pressure's too high. 1582 01:40:25,900 --> 01:40:28,260 But if he follows his way, little by little, 1583 01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:30,740 calm, like Pep did, then you're ready for it. 1584 01:40:30,860 --> 01:40:33,780 And I hope Xavi one day will do that. 1585 01:40:33,860 --> 01:40:35,060 1586 01:40:35,140 --> 01:40:36,460 Barça's future needs to be in the hands 1587 01:40:36,580 --> 01:40:42,660 of someone with Xavi's talent and vision. 1588 01:40:44,140 --> 01:40:45,580 1589 01:40:45,700 --> 01:40:50,420 I've got no doubt that he'll be back as a coach one day. 1590 01:40:50,540 --> 01:40:54,820 He deserves the chance 1591 01:40:54,940 --> 01:40:57,060 because of the type of player he was here. 1592 01:40:57,180 --> 01:40:59,340 He'll make an amazing manager. 1593 01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:02,860 As a player he saw the whole picture from the pitch. 1594 01:41:02,980 --> 01:41:05,620 I'm sure from the side-lines, he'll see it even clearer. 1595 01:41:05,740 --> 01:41:07,260 He'll be back one day. 1596 01:41:07,380 --> 01:41:12,820 I don't know when but he wants to come back. 1597 01:41:12,940 --> 01:41:17,940 And he has the same football philosophy as Pep. 1598 01:41:18,700 --> 01:41:20,020 1599 01:41:20,140 --> 01:41:21,700 The world is watching us because they see we're different. 1600 01:41:21,820 --> 01:41:24,420 And they're right, we are. 1601 01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:27,220 But now we have a huge responsibility 1602 01:41:27,340 --> 01:41:30,420 to ensure that all of this continues to grow. 1603 01:41:32,140 --> 01:41:33,500 1604 01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:36,940 The one thing that has never changed 1605 01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:41,820 in all my years here is the way we play football. 1606 01:41:42,460 --> 01:41:47,820 Players come and go, but the philosophy never changes. 1607 01:41:48,340 --> 01:41:49,580 1608 01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:51,140 We believe in this philosophy, 1609 01:41:51,260 --> 01:41:56,180 which is improved every year and by each Barça manager. 1610 01:41:56,300 --> 01:41:58,220 But the day things start to go wrong, 1611 01:41:58,340 --> 01:42:01,580 and let's hope that isn't for another 200 years, 1612 01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:04,540 but if it happens, we must never consider 1613 01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:07,380 changing our playing style. 1614 01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:10,860 Our unique philosophy should never change. Never. 1615 01:42:45,460 --> 01:42:46,540 1616 01:42:46,620 --> 01:42:47,820 This documentary can't end 1617 01:42:47,900 --> 01:42:51,620 without asking you about your memories of those four years. 1618 01:42:52,300 --> 01:42:53,700 1619 01:42:53,780 --> 01:42:58,100 When I think about that time it fills me with nostalgia and happiness. 1620 01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:03,580 In my opinion, during those four years, 1621 01:43:03,700 --> 01:43:08,980 all the stars aligned at the perfect moment. 1622 01:43:09,580 --> 01:43:15,340 The fundamental reason for the success was the immense talent of those players. 1623 01:43:16,780 --> 01:43:18,420 It's them who have to perform. 1624 01:43:18,540 --> 01:43:22,740 I like to use golf as an example, because as managers we're caddies. 1625 01:43:22,860 --> 01:43:26,780 We hand the club to the player, but they get the ball on the green 1626 01:43:26,900 --> 01:43:28,220 and put it in the hole. 1627 01:43:40,940 --> 01:43:42,220 1628 01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:44,940 Everyone played their part and everyone knew their role. 1629 01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:48,540 They all knew Messi was the best and no one wanted to take his crown. 1630 01:43:48,660 --> 01:43:52,020 The home-grown players had very important roles. 1631 01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:54,380 The foreign players played their part too. 1632 01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:58,180 It all unfolded naturally without having to tell players, 1633 01:43:58,940 --> 01:44:04,660 "You have to do this or you have to do that." 1634 01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:08,420 The roles within the group were shared out 1635 01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:10,980 and if anyone didn't like it, they left. 1636 01:44:12,220 --> 01:44:18,100 That was how we built something special and kept it going for so long. 1637 01:44:28,580 --> 01:44:29,740 1638 01:44:29,860 --> 01:44:30,900 I think we provoked an emotional reaction. 1639 01:44:31,020 --> 01:44:35,580 When you remember titles, really they're just numbers 1640 01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:37,020 and nothing more. 1641 01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:42,020 But there were a lot of people who really loved watching us play. 1642 01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:58,660 1643 01:44:58,780 --> 01:45:00,260 We all remember the two Champions League finals, 1644 01:45:00,380 --> 01:45:01,700 especially the second one. 1645 01:45:02,220 --> 01:45:05,260 For around 20-25 minutes, 1646 01:45:05,380 --> 01:45:09,900 from the 46th minute until our third, we were tremendous. 1647 01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:13,980 That was a perfect illustration of how we wanted them to play. 1648 01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:17,900 We were a young group of coaches 1649 01:45:18,660 --> 01:45:21,340 trying to convince a team of unique players 1650 01:45:22,540 --> 01:45:26,780 to do something different and it worked well for four years. 1651 01:45:32,820 --> 01:45:34,060 1652 01:45:34,220 --> 01:45:36,660 People become managers for all kinds of different reasons. 1653 01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:39,020 My motivation is tactics. 1654 01:45:39,140 --> 01:45:41,060 That's why I became a coach, 1655 01:45:41,420 --> 01:45:44,420 to dissect the game and find solutions. 1656 01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:46,460 The basic concept, 1657 01:45:46,580 --> 01:45:53,580 which Johan Cruyff injected into our veins 1658 01:45:54,140 --> 01:45:56,700 many years ago, 1659 01:45:56,820 --> 01:46:00,780 was that doing the simple things well gave you a 75% chance of winning. 1660 01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:03,660 And one of the simplest things is passing the ball. 1661 01:46:03,780 --> 01:46:05,980 After that, things get more complicated. 1662 01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:08,460 But the pass is what unites the group. 1663 01:46:09,260 --> 01:46:13,780 The ball is moved around the pitch from one player to another. 1664 01:46:13,900 --> 01:46:18,500 Everyone participates in the game plan by making that pass. 1665 01:46:18,980 --> 01:46:22,740 That's what we worked on from day one. 1666 01:46:34,820 --> 01:46:36,140 1667 01:46:36,260 --> 01:46:39,380 I'm often asked if it was the greatest team ever 1668 01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:41,220 or one of the greatest. 1669 01:46:41,340 --> 01:46:45,940 And it's a question that doesn't have an answer. 1670 01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:50,420 It's like a new book that's published, is it good or not? 1671 01:46:50,540 --> 01:46:53,900 Or a new film that premieres, is it any good? 1672 01:46:54,020 --> 01:46:55,860 We'll know the answer in 25 years. 1673 01:46:55,980 --> 01:46:58,620 It depends if people are still talking about us. 1674 01:46:58,740 --> 01:47:02,300 If after 25 years we're still taking about a book, it's good. 1675 01:47:02,420 --> 01:47:05,180 If we're still watching a film in 25 years time, it must be good. 1676 01:47:05,300 --> 01:47:06,980 The same will happen with our team. 1677 01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:12,620 But were we better than Sacchi's Milan or Pelé's Brazil, or Johan's Ajax? 1678 01:47:13,140 --> 01:47:17,540 Everyone will have their opinion, 1679 01:47:17,660 --> 01:47:21,660 which they'll defend passionately. 1680 01:47:21,780 --> 01:47:24,220 I would tell you that my team was brilliant, 1681 01:47:24,340 --> 01:47:27,300 but Johan would argue that his team was better. 1682 01:47:27,420 --> 01:47:30,860 And Arrigo Sacchi would say the same about his Milan side. 1683 01:47:30,980 --> 01:47:32,300 And we'd all be in the right. 1684 01:47:32,420 --> 01:47:34,860 But if they remember us in 25 years time, 1685 01:47:34,980 --> 01:47:37,100 they won't talk about the titles we won, 1686 01:47:37,220 --> 01:47:38,700 they'll talk about how we played. 1687 01:47:39,020 --> 01:47:42,380 If they remember us, it's because they enjoyed watching us. 1688 01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:46,980 But that's the big mystery. Will we be remembered or not? 1689 01:48:02,140 --> 01:48:03,980 Barcelona-HD.Org 141633

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