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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:03,721 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:04,297 --> 00:00:07,467 I was struggling to breathe. 3 00:00:07,468 --> 00:00:09,769 What's going on here? 4 00:00:09,770 --> 00:00:13,010 What explains this pain? 5 00:00:13,474 --> 00:00:15,541 Where are we? What's going on? 6 00:00:15,542 --> 00:00:19,682 I recalled getting out of the truck. 7 00:00:22,916 --> 00:00:24,283 UFO was just sitting there. 8 00:00:24,284 --> 00:00:26,085 Travis, get back in the truck. 9 00:00:26,086 --> 00:00:29,522 I thought the world was coming to an end. 10 00:00:29,523 --> 00:00:31,383 Bam. 11 00:00:32,726 --> 00:00:34,560 I truly feared for my life. 12 00:00:34,561 --> 00:00:36,662 We saw this thing. I think it was a UFO. 13 00:00:36,663 --> 00:00:39,965 I thought it was a hoax of some kind to cover up a crime. 14 00:00:39,966 --> 00:00:43,703 If he is not found, his disappearance will remain a mystery. 15 00:00:43,704 --> 00:00:45,304 Where is the body of Travis Walton? 16 00:00:45,305 --> 00:00:50,109 I was amazed at the results of the examinations. 17 00:00:50,110 --> 00:00:52,545 The fear was absolutely over the top. 18 00:00:52,546 --> 00:00:55,426 Stay away from me! 19 00:00:55,582 --> 00:00:59,842 Felt like I was fighting for my life. 20 00:01:15,636 --> 00:01:21,036 I sort of mark time in my life by November 5, 1975. 21 00:01:25,546 --> 00:01:30,526 The trauma from this event has never gone away. 22 00:01:33,487 --> 00:01:39,387 Even yet after all this time, to recall it puts me there, and I sort of relive it. 23 00:01:42,195 --> 00:01:46,095 I was out of my mind with fear. 24 00:01:47,835 --> 00:01:53,735 Some people just keep telling themselves such things can't happen. 25 00:01:54,608 --> 00:02:00,508 If you're gonna judge this, first take a look at the facts. 26 00:02:00,948 --> 00:02:02,615 They brought me back. 27 00:02:02,616 --> 00:02:06,336 The facts speak for themselves. 28 00:02:17,998 --> 00:02:21,778 I was 22. I was young, single. 29 00:02:24,571 --> 00:02:29,809 Basically considered by the locals to be a bit of a rebel, 30 00:02:29,810 --> 00:02:33,650 not being a real church regular. 31 00:02:34,848 --> 00:02:37,656 Travis was something. 32 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:41,077 Travis did things his way. 33 00:02:43,590 --> 00:02:48,870 I remember him being a fighter and wild bull rider. 34 00:02:50,183 --> 00:02:52,865 - Morning, easy rider. - Morning. 35 00:02:52,866 --> 00:02:55,629 Could you possibly drive something a little more quieter in the morning? 36 00:02:55,630 --> 00:02:57,271 I have to wake you up, don't I? 37 00:02:57,272 --> 00:03:00,907 We were headed out of the woods one day, and then a bear ran across the road, 38 00:03:00,908 --> 00:03:04,510 and he jumped out and ran after it. 39 00:03:04,511 --> 00:03:07,271 Pretty tough kid. 40 00:03:08,114 --> 00:03:13,514 The news media very commonly refers to us as loggers. 41 00:03:14,655 --> 00:03:18,855 There were seven of us in the truck. 44 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:28,634 It was quite a long drive to get out there. 45 00:03:28,635 --> 00:03:34,535 Right up on one of the highest points in the Sitgreaves National Forest. 46 00:03:38,779 --> 00:03:41,479 All right, boys. 47 00:03:46,820 --> 00:03:49,922 Mike Rogers was the crew boss. 48 00:03:49,923 --> 00:03:54,994 I had a contract to clear trees out of an area, about 1,200 acres' worth. 49 00:03:54,995 --> 00:03:56,749 - Trav? - Yeah. 50 00:03:56,750 --> 00:03:58,864 Him and Travis were real good friends, you know? 51 00:03:58,865 --> 00:04:00,566 - Help him out? - Yeah, sure. 52 00:04:00,567 --> 00:04:03,469 I had six men working for me. 53 00:04:03,470 --> 00:04:09,370 I wouldn't have hired them unless they were all hard-working, level-headed guys. 54 00:04:10,143 --> 00:04:12,444 We were basically there for the purpose of work, 55 00:04:12,445 --> 00:04:18,085 and it wasn't a group of buddies or anything like that. 56 00:04:20,253 --> 00:04:22,955 John basically got along with everybody. 57 00:04:22,956 --> 00:04:26,558 It was a tough job, and it was a tough bunch of people. 58 00:04:26,559 --> 00:04:29,577 Running a chainsaw, you had to be fast and also be careful. 59 00:04:29,578 --> 00:04:33,866 A chainsaw won't slice you, but it tears chunks of meat out of you. 60 00:04:33,867 --> 00:04:37,603 Kenny was a real straitlaced sort of a guy. 61 00:04:37,604 --> 00:04:41,750 I was raised in Mormonism, and I'd been married a couple of years, 62 00:04:41,751 --> 00:04:44,691 and we had a baby. 63 00:04:45,245 --> 00:04:49,281 I was planning on doing some other things, but in the interim, I was gonna 64 00:04:49,282 --> 00:04:52,985 work with Mike for a few weeks. 65 00:04:52,986 --> 00:04:56,488 Steve Pierce was the youngest guy on the crew. 66 00:04:56,489 --> 00:05:00,292 I lied about my age to get the job. 67 00:05:00,293 --> 00:05:04,733 They didn't know I was 17 at the time. 68 00:05:05,457 --> 00:05:10,169 Mike thought I was 18, and I lied to him because my mom was hurting for money, 69 00:05:10,170 --> 00:05:13,590 and I had to go to work. 70 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,276 One of the guys had only been on the job three days. 71 00:05:17,277 --> 00:05:22,039 Dwayne Smith, I don't think he was that used to that kind of work. 72 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,552 He wasn't stacking right, and Mike jumped on me for it. 73 00:05:26,553 --> 00:05:30,156 I didn't like that too well. 74 00:05:30,157 --> 00:05:34,740 Allen was sort of the black sheep of the crew, I guess you'd say. 75 00:05:34,741 --> 00:05:38,597 Allen Dalis and Travis Walton, they didn't get along with each other. 76 00:05:38,598 --> 00:05:43,578 At one point during the day, Allen cut a tree. 77 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:50,170 It fell close enough to me to where it was kind of alarming. 78 00:05:50,443 --> 00:05:55,123 I looked at Allen like, you know, watch it. 79 00:05:58,085 --> 00:06:02,585 We were putting in some pretty long days. 80 00:06:02,605 --> 00:06:05,147 You'd take a big, old paper sack full of food, 81 00:06:05,148 --> 00:06:06,850 and we'd eat about three times a day, you know? 82 00:06:06,851 --> 00:06:09,671 It was hard work. 83 00:06:09,755 --> 00:06:15,515 The contract was behind, so I was pushing them extra hard. 84 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:22,430 We worked until the sun was going down. 85 00:06:25,545 --> 00:06:29,925 That's a long day out there, you know? 86 00:06:35,388 --> 00:06:37,757 I can remember packing everything away. 87 00:06:37,758 --> 00:06:42,858 That's what was my job. I packed the gear away. 88 00:06:47,565 --> 00:06:52,965 It was dark by the time we got everything loaded up. 89 00:06:55,649 --> 00:07:01,548 The path that we were following was along this logging trail. 90 00:07:01,549 --> 00:07:04,794 We really got to pick up the slack tomorrow. 91 00:07:04,795 --> 00:07:07,301 Everybody's pretty beat, you know? They're pretty tired. 92 00:07:07,302 --> 00:07:11,323 Enough about work, man. Let's talk more about the women. 93 00:07:11,324 --> 00:07:14,326 We were talking about this girl or that girl or going out partying. 94 00:07:14,327 --> 00:07:15,861 Does she have a sister? 95 00:07:15,862 --> 00:07:17,562 She's got three sisters, right? 96 00:07:17,563 --> 00:07:19,064 I love the girls, man. 97 00:07:19,065 --> 00:07:24,902 We hadn't driven very far when we caught sight of a glow through the trees. 98 00:07:24,903 --> 00:07:27,089 Hey, guys, do you see all that? 99 00:07:27,090 --> 00:07:29,452 - What is that? - What the heck is that? 100 00:07:29,453 --> 00:07:31,710 It was just little glimpses and glimmers. 101 00:07:31,711 --> 00:07:33,190 Is it the moon? 102 00:07:33,191 --> 00:07:35,214 At first, we thought it was the moon, 103 00:07:35,215 --> 00:07:37,749 and then off to the left, you could see the moon. 104 00:07:37,750 --> 00:07:40,019 Moon's over here. 105 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:43,322 I thought, what in the heck is it? 106 00:07:43,323 --> 00:07:45,825 Somebody said they thought it was a forest fire. 107 00:07:45,826 --> 00:07:49,170 If it were a forest fire, there'd be smoke coming over those trees. 108 00:07:49,171 --> 00:07:52,998 That's not fitting. That doesn't look quite right. 109 00:07:52,999 --> 00:07:56,202 Someone was saying that it could be a crashed plane. 110 00:07:56,203 --> 00:07:58,804 No, man. I've seen plane crashes before. 111 00:07:58,805 --> 00:08:02,869 I'd been in the navy. It didn't appear that way to me. 112 00:08:02,870 --> 00:08:04,502 - Hey, Mike! - I said, Mike, hurry up! 113 00:08:04,503 --> 00:08:08,747 Let's get up there where we can see. 114 00:08:08,748 --> 00:08:12,001 We come around this one bend, and there's a clearing. 115 00:08:12,002 --> 00:08:13,010 Stop the truck! 116 00:08:13,011 --> 00:08:18,911 I was throwing the door open even as the truck skidded to a stop. 117 00:08:19,359 --> 00:08:21,999 It was... Boom. 118 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:30,169 UFO was just sitting there. 119 00:08:30,170 --> 00:08:33,855 It was a clearly defined metallic object. 120 00:08:33,856 --> 00:08:37,756 Hovering less than 100 feet away. 121 00:08:39,712 --> 00:08:43,249 Perfectly still, 15 feet off the ground. 122 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:46,918 It was a white that I've never seen before. 123 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:50,159 And haven't seen since. 124 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:55,761 I'd never seen anything defying gravity like that. 125 00:08:55,762 --> 00:08:58,397 I could actually see framework. 126 00:08:58,398 --> 00:09:01,433 It had panels that were lighted. 127 00:09:01,434 --> 00:09:04,194 It was beautiful. 128 00:09:05,005 --> 00:09:06,805 Ah, it was prettier than a brand new corvette. 129 00:09:06,806 --> 00:09:08,846 Travis. 130 00:09:08,975 --> 00:09:11,877 It was terrifying, but it was beautiful. 131 00:09:11,878 --> 00:09:14,380 Get back in the truck. 132 00:09:14,381 --> 00:09:20,281 Everybody in the truck started yelling at Travis to get away from there. 133 00:09:22,322 --> 00:09:25,382 Frightened all of us. 134 00:09:26,192 --> 00:09:28,794 The closer I got, the louder they got. 135 00:09:28,795 --> 00:09:30,095 Travis! 136 00:09:30,096 --> 00:09:35,134 He glanced back once, but he didn't look scared. 137 00:09:35,135 --> 00:09:41,035 I thought it would be gone before I got close enough for it to be dangerous. 138 00:09:43,855 --> 00:09:47,455 My heart was really pounding. 139 00:09:48,748 --> 00:09:53,118 The closer I got to it, the more I realized that it wasn't gonna take off. 140 00:09:53,119 --> 00:09:58,639 It was really terrifying and exciting at the same time. 141 00:10:02,232 --> 00:10:06,432 But I was looking up at about a 45. 142 00:10:08,201 --> 00:10:11,081 It was like glass. 143 00:10:11,438 --> 00:10:14,994 It was making these strange sounds... 144 00:10:14,995 --> 00:10:19,555 That suddenly got louder and more powerful. 145 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,952 Soon the light would be coming alive. 146 00:10:26,953 --> 00:10:30,853 Like it was winding up to leave. 147 00:10:34,194 --> 00:10:38,994 I knew something was gonna happen right then. 148 00:10:39,332 --> 00:10:43,232 Can I make a run for the truck? 149 00:10:49,042 --> 00:10:53,205 This greenish blue light came out and zapped him. 150 00:10:53,206 --> 00:10:56,866 I really thought he was dead. 151 00:11:16,816 --> 00:11:19,620 He went about 15, 20 feet. 152 00:11:19,621 --> 00:11:23,191 I immediately thought they'd killed him, and they were gonna kill us. 153 00:11:23,192 --> 00:11:25,137 The guys were all screaming at me to leave. 154 00:11:25,138 --> 00:11:27,628 They said, they've got him. 155 00:11:27,629 --> 00:11:29,463 I felt the jerk of the pickup. 156 00:11:29,464 --> 00:11:33,904 Hit the gas and took off down the road. 157 00:11:35,737 --> 00:11:38,797 Everybody was yelling. 158 00:11:40,842 --> 00:11:43,422 Complete panic. 159 00:11:44,546 --> 00:11:48,686 Is it following us? Is it after us? 160 00:11:49,851 --> 00:11:55,751 Mike kept saying it was following us, but I don't think anybody was looking back. 161 00:11:57,626 --> 00:11:59,928 I was terrified. 162 00:11:59,929 --> 00:12:03,469 I truly feared for my life. 163 00:12:04,766 --> 00:12:08,169 If the thing that we saw didn't scare them, my driving certainly did. 164 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:10,450 Slow down! 165 00:12:16,011 --> 00:12:18,212 - I want to go home. - I saw it! I saw it! 166 00:12:18,213 --> 00:12:20,315 - I know. - What are you doing? 167 00:12:20,316 --> 00:12:22,083 We got to get out of here. 168 00:12:22,084 --> 00:12:24,885 We need to think. We need to think about this. We can't... 169 00:12:24,886 --> 00:12:27,655 Total confusion when we come to a stop. 170 00:12:27,656 --> 00:12:32,576 Just let's think for a second, guys, come on. 171 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,820 Brought to our knees like that. 172 00:12:38,533 --> 00:12:40,534 I got to go. I got to go home. 173 00:12:40,535 --> 00:12:44,015 A real traumatic experience. 174 00:12:51,847 --> 00:12:53,348 Whew. 175 00:12:53,349 --> 00:12:55,269 Um... 176 00:13:01,056 --> 00:13:03,576 It was scary. 177 00:13:06,228 --> 00:13:07,528 - I need to go home. - We've got to go! 178 00:13:07,529 --> 00:13:09,097 I can't be here anymore. 179 00:13:09,098 --> 00:13:11,932 Just be quiet for a second, guys. I've gotta to think this through. 180 00:13:11,933 --> 00:13:14,068 - I can't stay here! - I can't be here anymore. 181 00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:15,436 Guys, just calm down. 182 00:13:15,437 --> 00:13:18,339 Just calm down! Shh! 183 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:20,574 I got to think. I got to think. I got to think. 184 00:13:20,575 --> 00:13:21,742 Come back... 185 00:13:21,743 --> 00:13:23,306 Just let me think for a minute. 186 00:13:23,307 --> 00:13:25,980 Come on, man. Get back in the truck. 187 00:13:25,981 --> 00:13:28,116 We've got to get home. 188 00:13:28,117 --> 00:13:31,597 I knew we had to go back. 189 00:13:32,546 --> 00:13:34,955 - Mike, we have to go. - We have to leave. 190 00:13:34,956 --> 00:13:36,790 The guys argued about it. 191 00:13:36,791 --> 00:13:38,323 We got to get out of here, man. 192 00:13:38,324 --> 00:13:40,594 - He's gone. - He could just be uncon... 193 00:13:40,595 --> 00:13:42,530 I thought the world was coming to an end. 194 00:13:42,531 --> 00:13:44,298 We don't even know what happened. 195 00:13:44,299 --> 00:13:45,799 You saw it. It hit him in the chest. 196 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,769 One of the other guys said he was incinerated. 197 00:13:48,770 --> 00:13:50,771 He went flying 20 feet. 198 00:13:50,772 --> 00:13:52,273 - I saw it. - You saw it. 199 00:13:52,274 --> 00:13:53,941 I had assumed it had killed him. 200 00:13:53,942 --> 00:13:55,776 He's incinerated. You saw it. 201 00:13:55,777 --> 00:13:57,845 I said no, I seen him hit the ground. 202 00:13:57,846 --> 00:14:00,114 He's there. He's there. He's there. 203 00:14:00,115 --> 00:14:02,745 I'm gonna go back and check. You guys can wait here. 204 00:14:02,746 --> 00:14:06,354 So I told them, well, you can stand here and wait, but this truck's going back. 205 00:14:06,355 --> 00:14:08,256 I'll come back and pick you up, okay? 206 00:14:08,257 --> 00:14:09,823 - Just wait here. - The light! 207 00:14:09,824 --> 00:14:11,325 I'll go back and... 208 00:14:11,326 --> 00:14:13,794 All of the guys decided to stay in the truck. 209 00:14:13,795 --> 00:14:17,000 They didn't want to wait in the dark. 210 00:14:17,001 --> 00:14:22,901 Either you're gonna go back, or you're gonna be out beside the road by yourself. 211 00:14:27,652 --> 00:14:33,515 I was thinking he was lying there, and I thought we'd find a body. 212 00:14:33,516 --> 00:14:36,996 You just knew he was dead. 213 00:14:47,362 --> 00:14:50,722 We got back to the spot. 214 00:14:52,134 --> 00:14:53,568 Travis? 215 00:14:53,569 --> 00:14:56,509 The thing was gone. 216 00:14:57,806 --> 00:15:00,506 Travis was gone. 217 00:15:01,776 --> 00:15:05,713 He was right here. I swear, we left him right here. 218 00:15:05,714 --> 00:15:07,045 Travis, where are you? 219 00:15:07,046 --> 00:15:08,416 We was all hollerin' for him. 220 00:15:08,417 --> 00:15:09,584 Travis! 221 00:15:09,585 --> 00:15:11,610 - Travis! - Travis! 222 00:15:11,611 --> 00:15:13,038 See he wasn't in the clearing, 223 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:16,365 so we started walking through the trees around the perimeter. 224 00:15:16,366 --> 00:15:19,127 - Travis, where are you? - He's gone. 225 00:15:19,128 --> 00:15:24,265 We stayed in a real close bunch, shoulder to shoulder. 226 00:15:24,266 --> 00:15:25,699 It was very scary. 227 00:15:25,700 --> 00:15:28,280 Travis. Travis! 228 00:15:30,458 --> 00:15:32,640 Mike realized he was gone. 229 00:15:32,641 --> 00:15:36,301 Let's get back to the truck. 230 00:15:36,796 --> 00:15:39,976 He kind of broke down. 231 00:15:41,517 --> 00:15:45,897 I realized we left him there, you know. 232 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:54,739 I was very ashamed. 233 00:16:04,533 --> 00:16:06,753 I can't! 234 00:16:09,223 --> 00:16:11,803 We... We left. 235 00:16:13,448 --> 00:16:16,148 Drove into town. 236 00:16:19,588 --> 00:16:20,988 We can't go to the cops, man. 237 00:16:20,989 --> 00:16:24,049 We got to... Let's just get out of here. Let's go home, guys. 238 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:27,578 We were confused, not knowing exactly what to do. 239 00:16:27,579 --> 00:16:30,448 We can't go home. 240 00:16:30,449 --> 00:16:31,632 We have to go home. 241 00:16:31,633 --> 00:16:35,703 At least three of us were pretty apprehensive about calling the law. 242 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:37,238 I didn't want to call the cops 243 00:16:37,239 --> 00:16:39,207 because I knew the cops weren't gonna believe us anyway. 244 00:16:39,208 --> 00:16:41,275 They're never gonna believe us, man. 245 00:16:41,276 --> 00:16:44,978 Yeah, my friend just got zapped by a UFO. I can't find him. 246 00:16:44,979 --> 00:16:47,981 Allen Dalis had been in trouble with the law before 247 00:16:47,982 --> 00:16:50,351 and said something to try to discourage it. 248 00:16:50,352 --> 00:16:51,919 Mike, I can't talk to the cops. 249 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:57,680 That's what we had to do, you know, to try to find him. 250 00:16:59,194 --> 00:17:04,474 Mike was just too upset to even make a phone call. 251 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:10,271 I didn't want to be the one to explain it to somebody like a Sheriff. 252 00:17:10,272 --> 00:17:13,441 I was afraid to tell them anything about a UFO. 253 00:17:13,442 --> 00:17:15,843 I need to report a missing person. 254 00:17:15,844 --> 00:17:19,204 Said he'd be right over. 255 00:17:20,582 --> 00:17:23,050 It'll be fine. It'll be fine. 256 00:17:23,051 --> 00:17:25,720 Everybody was pretty close to hysterical about it. 257 00:17:25,721 --> 00:17:27,897 - We shouldn't have called the cops. - We need help. 258 00:17:27,898 --> 00:17:29,323 We don't have any other choice. 259 00:17:29,324 --> 00:17:34,371 And it was awful lying about it because you just cause yourself more problems. 260 00:17:34,372 --> 00:17:36,130 There was no hiding that something had happened. 261 00:17:36,131 --> 00:17:37,765 We have to tell them what we saw. 262 00:17:37,766 --> 00:17:43,666 Only thing you could tell him was... Just tell him the truth. 263 00:17:46,141 --> 00:17:49,681 I can remember him arriving. 264 00:17:50,302 --> 00:17:52,680 He didn't look too happy. 265 00:17:52,681 --> 00:17:55,201 Evening, boys. 266 00:17:55,216 --> 00:17:57,017 What's going on? 267 00:17:57,018 --> 00:17:58,419 I know this is gonna sound crazy. 268 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:00,352 You're never gonna believe me, but we saw this thing, 269 00:18:00,353 --> 00:18:01,855 and I think it was a UFO, okay? 270 00:18:01,856 --> 00:18:04,692 I was looking at his face. 271 00:18:04,693 --> 00:18:06,827 I was expecting total disbelief. 272 00:18:06,828 --> 00:18:08,529 And it took our friend Travis, all right? 273 00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:10,531 He's out there somewhere. We don't know where he is. 274 00:18:10,532 --> 00:18:13,352 All of them were trying to talk at once to... 275 00:18:13,353 --> 00:18:16,261 Explain what they had... 276 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:17,971 Apparently seen. 277 00:18:17,972 --> 00:18:20,775 - We don't know what happened to him. - Extreme light! I don't know... 278 00:18:20,776 --> 00:18:22,576 You boys been drinking tonight? 279 00:18:22,577 --> 00:18:24,679 Absolutely not. We've been working all day. 280 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,648 He looked over the pickup. 281 00:18:27,649 --> 00:18:30,984 Anyway, so Travis gets out of the truck... 282 00:18:30,985 --> 00:18:35,856 He thought we were drinking and partying and stuff, you know? 283 00:18:35,857 --> 00:18:39,293 All of them seemed to be shook up with fear. 284 00:18:39,294 --> 00:18:41,762 He's missing. He's out there. You've got to find him. 285 00:18:41,763 --> 00:18:44,557 Well, they were acting pretty excited but, 286 00:18:44,558 --> 00:18:46,567 I thought they were just putting on, really. 287 00:18:46,568 --> 00:18:49,303 So what you're saying is, is this here is a missing persons case? 288 00:18:49,304 --> 00:18:51,038 Yes. 289 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:54,775 I did not put much stock in the UFO story. 290 00:18:54,776 --> 00:18:56,708 They took him. He's gone. 291 00:18:56,709 --> 00:18:57,812 Okay. 292 00:18:57,813 --> 00:19:03,693 I thought it was a hoax of some kind to cover up a crime. 293 00:19:24,915 --> 00:19:28,395 That's a negative, Sheriff. 294 00:19:33,796 --> 00:19:37,283 The next day, everybody headed back there. 295 00:19:37,284 --> 00:19:43,184 We made a decision to get a large search party in the area. 296 00:19:43,778 --> 00:19:47,301 My primary thought was we would be searching for a body, 297 00:19:47,302 --> 00:19:50,275 or an injured individual. 298 00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:56,176 We had about 60 men out there searching, looking in all the brush piles. 299 00:19:57,751 --> 00:20:01,186 If he'd wandered off in a daze or something, 300 00:20:01,187 --> 00:20:06,125 being as cold as it was, he could've frozen to death. 301 00:20:06,126 --> 00:20:08,763 In my mind, Travis is dead. 302 00:20:08,764 --> 00:20:11,897 I ain't going back out there with 100 cops. 303 00:20:11,898 --> 00:20:17,369 So while my mom was talking to them, I just snuck out the back door. 304 00:20:17,370 --> 00:20:20,670 I hid a lot after that. 305 00:20:22,308 --> 00:20:25,318 The searchers just fanned out in different directions, 306 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:30,916 searched for a mile or two and then doubled back and take a different route back. 307 00:20:30,917 --> 00:20:36,817 They found every piece of paper and coffee cup and plastic bag. 308 00:20:38,091 --> 00:20:43,551 We also had some volunteer people with geiger counters. 309 00:20:45,265 --> 00:20:48,267 I looked over and noticed these guys had some instruments. 310 00:20:48,268 --> 00:20:49,501 Excuse me. 311 00:20:49,502 --> 00:20:51,556 I asked them what they were doing. 312 00:20:51,557 --> 00:20:54,006 Just checking for radiation. 313 00:20:54,007 --> 00:20:55,274 Are you finding anything? 314 00:20:55,275 --> 00:20:58,610 Nothing. Just background radiation. 315 00:20:58,611 --> 00:21:03,231 And I says, well, why don't you check us? 316 00:21:04,550 --> 00:21:08,386 He ran this machine over me, and there wasn't any radiation. 317 00:21:08,387 --> 00:21:11,002 - You're clean. - Okay, but we showered... 318 00:21:11,003 --> 00:21:15,122 But then I remembered, you know, we had all changed clothes and everything. 319 00:21:15,123 --> 00:21:17,196 And I said, well, I have our hard hats. 320 00:21:17,197 --> 00:21:19,097 Here. Check these. 321 00:21:19,098 --> 00:21:21,378 All right. 322 00:21:24,537 --> 00:21:27,657 And the needle went... 323 00:21:27,741 --> 00:21:31,143 Seconds after that, they left. 324 00:21:31,144 --> 00:21:33,678 Hey, do you know who those guys are? 325 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:36,315 What they're doing here? 326 00:21:36,316 --> 00:21:39,736 Nobody knew who they were. 327 00:21:43,323 --> 00:21:47,459 The second day of the search, we had a helicopter. 328 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:50,562 They circled a wide area. 329 00:21:50,563 --> 00:21:54,362 Our thoughts were that this individual could have traveled, 330 00:21:54,363 --> 00:21:57,543 a pretty good distance. 331 00:21:58,593 --> 00:22:03,608 He might be holed up in some abandoned ranch house or a cabin, 332 00:22:03,609 --> 00:22:09,509 so we made it a point to check every building 20 miles around the site. 333 00:22:11,891 --> 00:22:16,021 Law enforcement officials say they are treating this case as a missing person. 334 00:22:16,022 --> 00:22:19,052 They are searching on foot and by helicopter, just as they 335 00:22:19,053 --> 00:22:21,927 would for anyone lost in this rugged part of the state. 336 00:22:21,928 --> 00:22:26,031 Five of the group knew Walton for 3 to as much as 12 years. 337 00:22:26,032 --> 00:22:28,901 The sixth met him Monday for the first time. 338 00:22:28,902 --> 00:22:32,137 The area around Heber is full of deer hunters this time of year. 339 00:22:32,138 --> 00:22:35,599 If Walton is there, searchers believe he will be found. 340 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,209 If he is not found, his disappearance will remain what it is now... 341 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:40,512 A mystery. 342 00:22:40,513 --> 00:22:42,948 They were searching pretty thorough. 343 00:22:42,949 --> 00:22:45,984 And the Sheriff was very serious about it. 344 00:22:45,985 --> 00:22:50,485 But his deputy Sheriff was very skeptical. 345 00:22:51,024 --> 00:22:53,158 You know, if you boys just tell us where the body is, 346 00:22:53,159 --> 00:22:54,759 we can get this over with and all go home. 347 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,996 He starts telling me, hey, tell us what you did to Travis. 348 00:22:57,997 --> 00:22:59,857 Huh? 349 00:23:00,071 --> 00:23:01,833 He chuckled and he said... 350 00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:06,171 I suppose Travis is halfway up to Mars by now. 351 00:23:06,172 --> 00:23:10,909 He told me that he was the best bloodhound in Navajo County. 352 00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:14,446 I know something happened up here. 353 00:23:14,447 --> 00:23:17,449 Because I didn't believe the story from the start. 354 00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:23,210 If you tell us the truth, we'll go a lot easier on you. 355 00:23:25,758 --> 00:23:27,508 Hadn't thought much about, 356 00:23:27,509 --> 00:23:30,628 the repercussions for us if, you know, Travis wasn't returned. 357 00:23:30,629 --> 00:23:34,466 All the boys have reported in. They've seen nothing all night, Sheriff. 358 00:23:34,467 --> 00:23:37,269 We made a thorough search of the area. 359 00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:39,371 Unit two, you anything? 360 00:23:39,372 --> 00:23:41,239 That's a negative, Sheriff. 361 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,442 And of course, we didn't find anything. 362 00:23:43,443 --> 00:23:45,377 That's it for tonight. All right? 363 00:23:45,378 --> 00:23:48,213 We did not find any sign of a crime. 364 00:23:48,214 --> 00:23:52,714 We didn't find any indications of a UFO. 365 00:24:04,397 --> 00:24:07,332 Sheriff's office. Deputy Coplan. What can I help you with? 366 00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:11,593 The news by then had spread worldwide. 367 00:24:15,375 --> 00:24:17,175 No, it's a missing persons case. 368 00:24:17,176 --> 00:24:20,920 We were trying to do our regular business, and we just couldn't get anything done. 369 00:24:20,921 --> 00:24:22,347 We only had one phone line. 370 00:24:22,348 --> 00:24:23,882 Oh, for Pete's sake. 371 00:24:23,883 --> 00:24:25,917 There's no aliens. There's no spacecrafts. 372 00:24:25,918 --> 00:24:29,450 I always told them just what I thought. 373 00:24:29,451 --> 00:24:30,850 Sheriff! 374 00:24:30,851 --> 00:24:33,402 They didn't want to talk to anyone else. 375 00:24:33,403 --> 00:24:35,360 They wanted the Sheriff. 376 00:24:35,361 --> 00:24:37,729 Sheriff Gillespie. 377 00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:41,266 I felt stress over the entire situation. 378 00:24:41,267 --> 00:24:44,736 As far as we're concerned, this is just a missing persons case. 379 00:24:44,737 --> 00:24:46,957 Good-bye. 380 00:24:50,609 --> 00:24:53,478 Just as soon as you hang up, somebody else calling. 381 00:24:53,479 --> 00:24:56,014 Sheriff Gillespie. 382 00:24:56,015 --> 00:24:59,017 It felt like I had a telephone growing out of both ears. 383 00:24:59,018 --> 00:25:00,852 He's probably holed up in the woods somewhere. 384 00:25:00,853 --> 00:25:02,620 I got tired of it. 385 00:25:02,621 --> 00:25:04,073 That's right. No. 386 00:25:04,074 --> 00:25:08,819 Sometimes I was frustrated and maybe a little short with them. 387 00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:10,878 I'm going out for coffee. 388 00:25:10,879 --> 00:25:13,099 Yes, Sir. 389 00:25:19,092 --> 00:25:24,543 It'd been four days of searching, and there was no trace of him. 390 00:25:24,544 --> 00:25:28,924 That's when the accusations came around. 391 00:25:29,148 --> 00:25:33,408 Most of town thought we'd killed him. 392 00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:38,457 I'd hear shouts from people driving by. 393 00:25:38,458 --> 00:25:41,278 Where's the body? 394 00:25:43,496 --> 00:25:49,396 I started getting scared about it, wondering where this was gonna lead. 395 00:25:52,572 --> 00:25:53,771 Hey, boys. 396 00:25:53,772 --> 00:25:57,875 At that point, my thoughts were that they had done harm to this guy 397 00:25:57,876 --> 00:26:01,808 and was trying to do something to cover that up. 398 00:26:01,809 --> 00:26:02,981 What's this? 399 00:26:02,982 --> 00:26:05,650 You boys still sticking to your story? 400 00:26:05,651 --> 00:26:07,919 It's the truth. 401 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,492 He thought they had probably knocked Travis in the head and buried him. 402 00:26:13,493 --> 00:26:17,347 How would you feel about submitting to a polygraph examination? 403 00:26:17,348 --> 00:26:18,636 What? 404 00:26:18,637 --> 00:26:21,637 A lie detector test. 405 00:26:22,193 --> 00:26:25,303 That's when the nervousness came in. 406 00:26:25,304 --> 00:26:26,738 We knew we had to do it. 407 00:26:26,739 --> 00:26:28,173 Did you really see a UFO? 408 00:26:28,174 --> 00:26:30,175 Comment. Can you give us a comment? 409 00:26:30,176 --> 00:26:31,576 My mom brung me. 410 00:26:31,577 --> 00:26:33,694 Do you really think that you saw a UFO that night? 411 00:26:33,695 --> 00:26:35,614 Where's the body? 412 00:26:35,615 --> 00:26:38,617 - Did you really see a UFO? - You saw a UFO... 413 00:26:38,618 --> 00:26:40,018 There was a lot of people there. 414 00:26:40,019 --> 00:26:42,344 Do you think you'll pass the polygraph test? 415 00:26:42,345 --> 00:26:45,807 Lot of media, a lot of cameras. 416 00:26:45,808 --> 00:26:47,292 They were really pushing us. 417 00:26:47,293 --> 00:26:49,203 Where is the body of Travis Walton? 418 00:26:49,204 --> 00:26:50,331 Did we kill him? 419 00:26:50,332 --> 00:26:52,049 Do you really believe that you saw a UFO that night? 420 00:26:52,050 --> 00:26:54,518 - Where's the body? - Did you really see a UFO? 421 00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,118 - Can you tell us what happened? - Tell us what happened. 422 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,432 I do remember telling them, I don't know what it was. 423 00:26:59,433 --> 00:27:00,891 It's not from this planet. 424 00:27:00,892 --> 00:27:01,892 John! 425 00:27:01,893 --> 00:27:06,213 - Where did you hide the body? - John! 426 00:27:07,086 --> 00:27:12,139 All right, folks. Please leave the Courthouse steps. 427 00:27:12,140 --> 00:27:15,741 You're gonna be here for a while, so make yourselves comfortable. 428 00:27:15,742 --> 00:27:19,282 I'd say we were locked up. 429 00:27:24,445 --> 00:27:27,580 We were starting to get pretty scared about it. 430 00:27:27,581 --> 00:27:29,153 What if this is just a setup? 431 00:27:29,154 --> 00:27:30,976 What if John didn't see the exact same thing as me? 432 00:27:30,977 --> 00:27:33,286 What if he says something different? Then they think we're all lying. 433 00:27:33,287 --> 00:27:38,791 They were all arguing with each other, trying to decide what to say and... 434 00:27:38,792 --> 00:27:40,514 I was scared to death, you know. 435 00:27:40,515 --> 00:27:42,015 This don't feel good. 436 00:27:42,016 --> 00:27:44,539 No, this doesn't feel good at all. 437 00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:48,920 It was a bad day. It was a scary day. 438 00:27:52,226 --> 00:27:55,073 We were introduced to a lie detector guy. 439 00:27:55,074 --> 00:27:57,230 Gentlemen, this is Mr. Cy Gilson. 440 00:27:57,231 --> 00:27:58,766 Cy Gilson was his name. 441 00:27:58,767 --> 00:28:00,701 He'll be administering the polygraph tests. 442 00:28:00,702 --> 00:28:03,130 Please give him your undivided attention. 443 00:28:03,131 --> 00:28:05,591 Morning, all. 444 00:28:06,047 --> 00:28:10,477 He was a top-rated polygraph examiner in the state of Arizona. 445 00:28:10,478 --> 00:28:13,325 I assume that nobody here has gone through this before, 446 00:28:13,326 --> 00:28:16,717 so I'll let you know what we're doing here. 447 00:28:16,718 --> 00:28:21,054 I gave them a brief idea of what we were going to do. 448 00:28:21,055 --> 00:28:26,095 We start off with a series of control questions. 449 00:28:26,194 --> 00:28:28,432 He sounded and acted rather skeptical. 450 00:28:28,433 --> 00:28:33,434 So those are the questions, if y'all want to have a look. 451 00:28:33,435 --> 00:28:38,294 And I was scared once I saw what the tests were for. 452 00:28:38,295 --> 00:28:41,375 I'm starting to realize this isn't for a UFO. 453 00:28:41,376 --> 00:28:44,316 This is for murder. 454 00:28:57,421 --> 00:29:03,241 So those are the questions, if y'all want to have a look. 455 00:29:03,701 --> 00:29:05,077 - No. - What's it say? 456 00:29:05,078 --> 00:29:07,580 - No, it was not that kind of... - What does it say? 457 00:29:07,581 --> 00:29:09,079 What kind of questions are these? 458 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,446 We had a confrontation. 459 00:29:10,447 --> 00:29:12,037 Are these questions set up? 460 00:29:12,038 --> 00:29:13,287 We're trying to get at the truth here. 461 00:29:13,288 --> 00:29:14,299 Is this a setup? 462 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,136 I want to know what kind of questions... 463 00:29:17,137 --> 00:29:19,466 Allen Dalis' mother was telling us 464 00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:21,901 that they were gonna set it up to where we look guilty. 465 00:29:21,902 --> 00:29:24,127 This isn't funny. This is our lives. 466 00:29:24,128 --> 00:29:27,542 They didn't trust me to start with... 467 00:29:27,543 --> 00:29:31,032 Even though they did not know me or my reputation. 468 00:29:31,033 --> 00:29:33,648 - This is the best way... - We came here to show you the truth. 469 00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:35,529 Mike, Mike, get your boys in order. 470 00:29:35,530 --> 00:29:38,272 - Boys, please. - Tell your boys to calm down. 471 00:29:38,273 --> 00:29:40,788 The Sheriff guaranteed that the tests would be fair. 472 00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:42,460 Just relax, all right? 473 00:29:42,461 --> 00:29:44,770 So I finally agreed to it. 474 00:29:44,771 --> 00:29:47,591 See you all soon. 475 00:29:47,664 --> 00:29:51,742 I was expecting that the results would disclose 476 00:29:51,743 --> 00:29:55,249 that they had done something to Travis Walton 477 00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:59,810 and this was a hoax to cover up a crime. 478 00:30:04,363 --> 00:30:08,669 I was more scared that day than the day we saw the UFO. 479 00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:13,614 Because I thought we was gonna go to prison for murder. 480 00:30:13,615 --> 00:30:16,075 Steve Pierce. 481 00:30:16,245 --> 00:30:17,258 You're up, son. 482 00:30:17,259 --> 00:30:22,599 And I was the first one to take the polygraph test. 483 00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:35,073 All right, son, take off your jacket and have a seat, please. 484 00:30:35,074 --> 00:30:36,842 He was all business. 485 00:30:36,843 --> 00:30:40,212 For your respiration. This is gonna measure your blood pressure. 486 00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:41,814 Okay, now I want you to relax. 487 00:30:41,815 --> 00:30:43,115 He told me to be calm. 488 00:30:43,116 --> 00:30:46,852 I want you to answer truthfully. 489 00:30:46,853 --> 00:30:49,493 All right, son? 490 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:55,694 It was hard to be calm. 491 00:30:55,695 --> 00:30:59,791 Take a few deep breaths, and remember, it's important to tell me the truth. 492 00:30:59,792 --> 00:31:02,935 He was the youngest of the group. 493 00:31:02,936 --> 00:31:08,515 He would probably be the easiest one to get a confession from. 494 00:31:08,516 --> 00:31:11,243 Do you know if Travis Walton's body 495 00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:15,416 is buried or hidden somewhere in the Turkey Springs area? 496 00:31:15,417 --> 00:31:17,133 No. 497 00:31:17,134 --> 00:31:20,486 I figured, me being so nervous, that I would flunk it no matter what. 498 00:31:20,487 --> 00:31:26,387 Did you do anything physical to cause Travis' death or to cause him injury? 499 00:31:27,026 --> 00:31:28,087 No. 500 00:31:28,088 --> 00:31:32,404 In my case, the tests were looked on as having... 501 00:31:32,405 --> 00:31:37,085 Ninety two to ninety seven percent accuracy. 502 00:31:37,384 --> 00:31:42,244 Are you telling the truth about seeing a UFO? 503 00:31:44,845 --> 00:31:46,705 Yes. 504 00:31:47,447 --> 00:31:51,750 Took me about two hours or so for each one. 505 00:31:51,751 --> 00:31:54,833 I would not tell any of the individuals 506 00:31:54,834 --> 00:31:59,692 how they did when they finished the examination. 507 00:31:59,693 --> 00:32:01,827 I was by myself. 508 00:32:01,828 --> 00:32:04,630 I guess they didn't want us talking afterwards. 509 00:32:04,631 --> 00:32:07,091 Ken Peterson. 510 00:32:07,713 --> 00:32:09,144 He's an eager beaver. 511 00:32:09,145 --> 00:32:14,305 I've had dreams about being on my way to prison. 512 00:32:15,274 --> 00:32:20,579 Did you do anything physical to cause Travis' death or to cause him injury? 513 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:24,316 I don't know how much of an emotional reaction you had to show. 514 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:25,985 No. 515 00:32:25,986 --> 00:32:29,248 And the thoughts of ending up in jail because he's gone 516 00:32:29,249 --> 00:32:34,169 and we can't explain the right reason for it. 517 00:32:34,327 --> 00:32:35,861 John Goulette. 518 00:32:35,862 --> 00:32:38,531 I was starting to get quite worried about it, 519 00:32:38,532 --> 00:32:40,160 especially when they weren't coming back. 520 00:32:40,161 --> 00:32:43,068 Are you telling the truth about seeing a UFO? 521 00:32:43,069 --> 00:32:44,156 Yes, Sir. 522 00:32:44,157 --> 00:32:46,537 Is it gonna show that I'm lying because I'm scared? 523 00:32:46,538 --> 00:32:48,741 - Are you telling the truth... - Yes. 524 00:32:48,742 --> 00:32:50,642 - Are you telling the truth... - Yes. 525 00:32:50,643 --> 00:32:52,045 Why are you asking me these questions? 526 00:32:52,046 --> 00:32:55,400 Dalis and Travis had a personal conflict. 527 00:32:55,401 --> 00:33:00,519 Did you do anything physical to cause Travis' death or to cause him injury? 528 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,887 What kind of question is that? 529 00:33:01,888 --> 00:33:04,623 He was not gonna cooperate at all. 530 00:33:04,624 --> 00:33:06,627 Will you just answer the question yes or no, Sir? 531 00:33:06,628 --> 00:33:07,925 Why would you ask me that question? 532 00:33:07,926 --> 00:33:09,862 He would move his arm or something, 533 00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:13,599 and these movements caused deflection of the pins, 534 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,240 and at the end, no determination could be made with him. 535 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,377 The tests took all day and up into the evening. 536 00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:27,127 Where the hell is he going? 537 00:33:27,128 --> 00:33:30,315 I wanted to have another examiner 538 00:33:30,316 --> 00:33:33,916 review the charge first before I'd give a final answer. 539 00:33:33,917 --> 00:33:36,658 Hey, where are you going? 540 00:33:36,659 --> 00:33:39,725 I don't know about you gents, but I'm going home. 541 00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:40,726 We'd ask him... 542 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,948 What about the results? 543 00:33:42,949 --> 00:33:45,876 He says, I can't really discuss the tests. 544 00:33:45,877 --> 00:33:48,366 We've been waiting all day. You got to be able to tell us something. 545 00:33:48,367 --> 00:33:51,136 I'm afraid Allen's test was incomplete. 546 00:33:51,137 --> 00:33:53,405 We had to do a little pressuring. 547 00:33:53,406 --> 00:33:56,886 What about the rest of us? 548 00:33:57,877 --> 00:33:59,745 He says, as far as I can see... 549 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:03,346 Y'all are telling the truth. 550 00:34:03,646 --> 00:34:07,666 Five of the six passed examination. 551 00:34:11,161 --> 00:34:13,592 Just... My... 552 00:34:13,593 --> 00:34:18,003 All the suspicion was just pressing down on you, and then we could breathe easy. 553 00:34:18,004 --> 00:34:20,704 Good day, gents. 554 00:34:21,567 --> 00:34:23,936 And everything from that point... 555 00:34:23,937 --> 00:34:26,841 Well, everything wasn't better but... 556 00:34:26,842 --> 00:34:31,822 At least we were no longer suspected of murder. 557 00:34:34,514 --> 00:34:37,669 I don't think it's even possible... 558 00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:41,810 For five of those individuals to answer the same questions... 559 00:34:41,811 --> 00:34:44,732 And beat me at my game. 560 00:34:44,733 --> 00:34:46,653 Well? 561 00:34:47,426 --> 00:34:48,894 I remember telling the Sheriff... 562 00:34:48,895 --> 00:34:50,490 They all passed. 563 00:34:50,491 --> 00:34:52,056 What? 564 00:34:52,057 --> 00:34:55,868 - And, of course, he's... - What about the UFO? 565 00:34:55,869 --> 00:34:58,342 It's not a hoax. 566 00:34:58,343 --> 00:35:02,127 I don't know what it was, but they saw something. 567 00:35:02,128 --> 00:35:04,575 He was a bit shocked. 568 00:35:04,576 --> 00:35:09,796 I think, if I remember the expression on his face. 569 00:35:09,916 --> 00:35:12,332 They're not lying to you about that. 570 00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:16,113 A little surprised, yes, I was. 571 00:35:19,926 --> 00:35:24,606 Speechless for a matter of a minute or two. 572 00:35:26,365 --> 00:35:30,085 But still there was no Travis. 573 00:35:33,073 --> 00:35:35,833 It's me, Travis. 574 00:35:36,155 --> 00:35:39,215 They brought me back. 575 00:35:56,927 --> 00:36:01,427 I was laying on the edge of the highway. 576 00:36:01,761 --> 00:36:04,929 I could see there was a light coming from above. 577 00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:07,633 But before I could shift my gaze... 578 00:36:07,634 --> 00:36:10,574 The light went out. 579 00:36:10,748 --> 00:36:15,008 I could see the bottom of this craft. 580 00:36:15,221 --> 00:36:18,581 It just shot straight up. 581 00:36:26,598 --> 00:36:31,758 I immediately shifted my attention to, where am I? 582 00:36:34,035 --> 00:36:38,235 I felt kind of unsure of my footing. 583 00:36:38,944 --> 00:36:41,704 Took off running. 584 00:36:45,717 --> 00:36:50,277 I was energized by the feeling of freedom. 585 00:36:52,524 --> 00:36:56,424 I recognized the town down below. 586 00:36:57,162 --> 00:36:59,397 I ran towards the lights. 587 00:36:59,398 --> 00:37:04,618 Took every bit of strength I had to get that far. 588 00:37:11,476 --> 00:37:12,610 I called my brother-in-law. 589 00:37:12,611 --> 00:37:15,371 It's me, Travis. 590 00:37:15,614 --> 00:37:17,148 They brought me back. 591 00:37:17,149 --> 00:37:20,618 He thought it was a prank call. 592 00:37:20,619 --> 00:37:21,952 No, it's Travis. 593 00:37:21,953 --> 00:37:24,830 I screamed, no, it's me! It's me! It's Travis! 594 00:37:24,831 --> 00:37:27,723 I'm at the gas station... 595 00:37:27,724 --> 00:37:29,944 In Heber. 596 00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:40,429 I just kind of collapsed. 597 00:37:43,462 --> 00:37:47,351 It seemed like, boom, lights coming into the phone booth. 598 00:37:47,352 --> 00:37:49,392 Travis. 599 00:37:56,548 --> 00:37:57,825 That light in the forest... 600 00:37:57,826 --> 00:38:02,206 My brother Dwayne sat there next to me. 601 00:38:03,062 --> 00:38:04,837 I tried to tell him what I'd been through. 602 00:38:04,838 --> 00:38:06,695 It's okay. 603 00:38:06,696 --> 00:38:10,568 I just broke down so much that he said, okay, just don't try to talk. 604 00:38:10,569 --> 00:38:13,404 We've missed you for the past few days. 605 00:38:13,405 --> 00:38:15,625 Few days? 606 00:38:15,774 --> 00:38:19,243 What do you mean days, you know? 607 00:38:19,244 --> 00:38:23,624 My brother says, Travis, feel your face. 608 00:38:24,549 --> 00:38:27,618 And I felt a five-day growth of beard. 609 00:38:27,619 --> 00:38:31,519 We need to get you to a doctor. 610 00:38:32,524 --> 00:38:35,913 I just kind of went catatonic there. 611 00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:38,674 Kind of gave up. 612 00:38:43,969 --> 00:38:47,338 I was in a constant state of terror. 613 00:38:47,339 --> 00:38:53,239 The memories of what I'd been through, I just couldn't let it go. 614 00:39:04,823 --> 00:39:07,720 My brother Dwayne took me to Phoenix. 615 00:39:07,721 --> 00:39:12,401 And set about trying to get me checked out. 616 00:39:14,767 --> 00:39:19,411 His demeanor was compatible with being through some type of... 617 00:39:19,412 --> 00:39:22,352 Traumatic experience. 618 00:39:25,110 --> 00:39:29,430 One might call it maybe slightly dazed. 619 00:39:29,648 --> 00:39:32,694 We did some blood work on him... 620 00:39:32,695 --> 00:39:34,525 Chemical tests... 621 00:39:34,526 --> 00:39:36,389 Blood count... 622 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:38,222 Blood proteins. 623 00:39:38,223 --> 00:39:41,726 I was looking for signs of trauma. I was looking for signs of exposure. 624 00:39:41,727 --> 00:39:43,928 What is this here? 625 00:39:43,929 --> 00:39:47,010 The only sign of any trauma was a little, 626 00:39:47,011 --> 00:39:50,191 possible injection site. 627 00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:57,041 Then we went back to Dwayne's house. 628 00:39:57,042 --> 00:39:59,322 Let's go. 629 00:40:00,910 --> 00:40:03,501 - Dwayne spoke to the Sheriff. - Dwayne Walton. 630 00:40:03,502 --> 00:40:06,267 The Sheriff apparently already knew that I had been returned. 631 00:40:06,268 --> 00:40:08,285 Yes. Yeah, he's here. 632 00:40:08,286 --> 00:40:11,789 They tried to discourage me from coming to Phoenix. 633 00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:13,781 No one is gonna see him until I am satisfied he's okay. 634 00:40:13,782 --> 00:40:19,297 The Sheriff was insistent that he needed to interview me personally. 635 00:40:19,298 --> 00:40:24,338 I immediately left Holbrook and drove to Phoenix. 636 00:40:27,539 --> 00:40:33,439 When I first went in the house, Travis was sitting on a couch. 637 00:40:34,346 --> 00:40:36,947 He looked like he was very tired. 638 00:40:36,948 --> 00:40:40,651 There was a kind of a tension, nervous tension. 639 00:40:40,652 --> 00:40:44,222 And I said... Just tell me what happened. 640 00:40:44,223 --> 00:40:49,571 What I related to the Sheriff was rather broken and got a little confused. 641 00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:55,266 I was in no condition to be interviewed about what had happened to me. 642 00:40:55,267 --> 00:41:00,304 I felt the law enforcement was the victim of a fraud, 643 00:41:00,305 --> 00:41:04,175 but we were not able to get evidence that would lend 644 00:41:04,176 --> 00:41:08,112 to any prosecution or further investigation. 645 00:41:08,113 --> 00:41:12,583 Travis Walton, on numerous occasions, told friends he would attempt to make contact 646 00:41:12,584 --> 00:41:15,719 if he ever came close enough to a flying object. 647 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,856 The rest of the group is openly criticized in Snowflake. 648 00:41:18,857 --> 00:41:21,492 A town with a strong family church foundation, 649 00:41:21,493 --> 00:41:24,728 the young people with long hair and anti-establishment attitude 650 00:41:24,729 --> 00:41:26,560 don't mix well there. 651 00:41:26,561 --> 00:41:29,167 It was becoming more and more apparent 652 00:41:29,168 --> 00:41:34,088 that the news media had gotten onto the story. 653 00:41:35,734 --> 00:41:38,142 Dwayne Walton. 654 00:41:38,143 --> 00:41:40,358 No. No, he's not here. 655 00:41:40,359 --> 00:41:44,970 Dwayne's saying, well, yeah he's back, but we took him to a hospital. 656 00:41:44,971 --> 00:41:47,011 Tucson. 657 00:41:48,387 --> 00:41:50,120 No, in a hospital. 658 00:41:50,121 --> 00:41:55,250 Of course, then every hospital in Tucson started getting calls from everywhere. 659 00:41:55,251 --> 00:42:01,011 My brother, he really put himself out there to protect me. 660 00:42:02,359 --> 00:42:05,198 He's not able to speak at this time. 661 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:10,419 He was at his strongest when I was at my weakest. 662 00:42:13,235 --> 00:42:16,824 It just seemed like a nightmare that wasn't going away. 663 00:42:16,825 --> 00:42:19,045 You okay? 664 00:42:20,007 --> 00:42:23,087 Pretty soon, the National Enquirer's on his doorstep. 665 00:42:23,088 --> 00:42:24,755 I hear your brother's back in town. 666 00:42:24,756 --> 00:42:30,561 In exchange for an exclusive on the story, they were willing to fund testing. 667 00:42:30,562 --> 00:42:33,764 Give us a couple words of what your experience was. 668 00:42:33,765 --> 00:42:36,200 Just a few words... What really went on. 669 00:42:36,201 --> 00:42:39,937 They arranged for us to be brought to a hotel. 670 00:42:39,938 --> 00:42:42,707 Travis, what did they take from you while you were away? 671 00:42:42,708 --> 00:42:44,041 What did they look like? 672 00:42:44,042 --> 00:42:46,420 It was crazy. It was a madhouse. 673 00:42:46,421 --> 00:42:49,661 Anything at all, Travis. 674 00:42:49,703 --> 00:42:52,350 There was huge pressure for answers. 675 00:42:52,351 --> 00:42:54,719 Travis, how long were you there, and what did they do to you? 676 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,871 Tell us exactly. The world is dying to know. 677 00:42:56,872 --> 00:43:01,825 I had no concept of the ramifications of cooperating with them. 678 00:43:01,826 --> 00:43:04,194 The world wants to know tonight, Travis. 679 00:43:04,195 --> 00:43:05,888 Travis... 680 00:43:05,889 --> 00:43:09,026 I was so traumatized that I was basically, 681 00:43:09,027 --> 00:43:13,167 dealing with things inside of myself. 682 00:43:16,508 --> 00:43:19,243 I was at the mercy of some pretty powerful forces 683 00:43:19,244 --> 00:43:21,979 that had nothing to do with what I needed. 684 00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:23,514 Just relax. You'll be okay. 685 00:43:23,515 --> 00:43:25,650 Just let the doctor talk to you for a minute, okay? 686 00:43:25,651 --> 00:43:27,351 You'll be all right. 687 00:43:27,352 --> 00:43:32,632 I hadn't even told the entire story to my brother. 688 00:43:34,526 --> 00:43:38,966 I just was so traumatized, I broke down. 689 00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:46,020 It was suggested that hypnosis be done. 690 00:43:47,289 --> 00:43:50,461 The purpose being to relate these details, 691 00:43:50,462 --> 00:43:52,810 without so much of this overpowering fear. 692 00:43:52,811 --> 00:43:58,711 Travis, I'm going to bring you back to night of the forest. 693 00:44:13,898 --> 00:44:18,038 I didn't remember anything at first. 694 00:44:21,143 --> 00:44:25,223 I was just overpowered by the pain. 695 00:44:27,379 --> 00:44:30,739 It was so hot and humid. 696 00:44:31,883 --> 00:44:34,385 I could tell I was on some raised surface 697 00:44:34,386 --> 00:44:40,286 because of how close the ceiling and the light above me were. 698 00:44:41,259 --> 00:44:44,061 I was struggling to breathe. 699 00:44:44,062 --> 00:44:46,096 What's going on here? 700 00:44:46,097 --> 00:44:49,337 What explains this pain? 701 00:44:53,216 --> 00:44:57,776 And there was this sort of curved thing... 702 00:44:57,952 --> 00:45:00,892 Down over my chest. 703 00:45:09,788 --> 00:45:14,451 I became aware of the sounds of movement around me. 704 00:45:14,452 --> 00:45:17,572 People bustling around. 705 00:45:20,766 --> 00:45:24,310 I thought I was seeing doctors. 706 00:45:24,311 --> 00:45:29,471 Maybe somebody with a white surgical mask and cap. 707 00:45:30,742 --> 00:45:36,642 I recalled getting out of the truck and the crew when they were yelling at me. 708 00:45:37,348 --> 00:45:40,651 And I figured I must have been hurt somehow. 709 00:45:40,652 --> 00:45:45,452 Maybe the crew had taken me to the hospital. 710 00:45:48,026 --> 00:45:51,446 My vision abruptly cleared. 711 00:45:53,732 --> 00:45:57,212 I just totally flipped out. 712 00:46:15,326 --> 00:46:18,561 I was lying on my back looking up. 713 00:46:18,562 --> 00:46:23,433 I could see that there was sort of a rectangular light fixture above me. 714 00:46:23,434 --> 00:46:28,371 You know, something gave me the impression that I was in a hospital. 715 00:46:28,372 --> 00:46:32,209 I could make out these vague forms that I thought to be doctors 716 00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:35,810 leaning close, looking at me. 717 00:46:39,616 --> 00:46:43,036 I struck out with my arm. 718 00:46:47,458 --> 00:46:51,958 The thing that was on my chest fell off. 719 00:46:54,698 --> 00:47:00,218 The fear gave me the strength to be able to stand up. 720 00:47:03,341 --> 00:47:05,731 There was three of them... 721 00:47:05,732 --> 00:47:09,092 Small, four feet or less. 722 00:47:09,598 --> 00:47:12,389 Non-human but intelligent. 723 00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:15,810 Intelligent and unemotional. 724 00:47:20,657 --> 00:47:24,227 They were coming around the table towards me. 725 00:47:24,228 --> 00:47:29,366 I bumped into this shelf, grabbed the biggest thing there. 726 00:47:29,367 --> 00:47:31,134 Don't come any closer now! 727 00:47:31,135 --> 00:47:33,836 I started lashing out at them. 728 00:47:33,837 --> 00:47:37,437 Get away from me! Stay back! 729 00:47:37,650 --> 00:47:39,727 Don't come closer! Stay away! 730 00:47:39,728 --> 00:47:42,660 The fear was absolutely over the top. 731 00:47:42,661 --> 00:47:46,222 Stay back! Get away from me! What do you want? 732 00:47:46,223 --> 00:47:49,019 Leave me alone! Stay back! 733 00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:51,492 Adrenaline was surging through me. 734 00:47:51,493 --> 00:47:53,810 Get away! Get away! 735 00:47:53,811 --> 00:47:56,451 Leave me alone! 736 00:47:56,593 --> 00:47:59,695 Get away! Leave me alone! 737 00:47:59,696 --> 00:48:03,116 They stopped out of reach. 738 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:08,540 And all of a sudden, they turned and just went. 739 00:48:12,543 --> 00:48:17,583 My immediate fear was that they would come back. 740 00:48:28,225 --> 00:48:33,145 I looked to see if they were still out there. 741 00:48:34,165 --> 00:48:39,685 They'd gone to the right, and so I went to the left. 742 00:48:44,808 --> 00:48:49,079 As I moved down the passageway, it was curving so tightly 743 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,980 that I couldn't see behind me very far to see if they were pursuing me. 744 00:48:58,055 --> 00:49:02,495 It was just this kind of blind hysteria. 745 00:49:05,886 --> 00:49:09,726 I was out of control with fear. 746 00:49:10,356 --> 00:49:15,036 Just thinking, I've got to find a way out. 747 00:49:16,173 --> 00:49:19,533 I came to the next door. 748 00:49:27,851 --> 00:49:32,771 This little room was empty except for a chair. 749 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:42,420 I thought there might be one of those creatures sitting in it. 750 00:49:44,768 --> 00:49:50,668 I was feeling fear in every corner of my mind and every inch of my body. 751 00:49:58,349 --> 00:50:02,818 When I got to the side, I could see there was no one in it. 752 00:50:02,819 --> 00:50:08,699 That's when I felt safe enough to move more into the room. 753 00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:16,690 I was thinking that I could open a door, and it would lead outside. 754 00:50:22,139 --> 00:50:26,039 There was no doorknob, no button. 755 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,248 There was buttons on the chair, and I thought, well, if I push those buttons, 756 00:50:32,249 --> 00:50:35,609 maybe they open the door. 757 00:50:41,196 --> 00:50:43,995 When I moved into the room... 758 00:50:43,996 --> 00:50:49,336 It darkened, and I could see little points of light. 759 00:50:57,741 --> 00:51:00,510 I sat in the chair. 760 00:51:00,511 --> 00:51:05,731 There was a degree of fear about pushing a button. 761 00:51:11,522 --> 00:51:16,022 Most of them didn't seem to do anything. 762 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,660 There was a lever there. 763 00:51:22,133 --> 00:51:26,393 It made all these stars move together. 764 00:51:35,822 --> 00:51:36,842 Hey. 765 00:51:36,843 --> 00:51:41,083 I turned, and there was a man standing there in the doorway. 766 00:51:41,084 --> 00:51:44,820 I seized on the fact that this is somebody that looks like a human being. 767 00:51:44,821 --> 00:51:47,190 Hey! Where are we? 768 00:51:47,191 --> 00:51:51,294 I thought maybe Air Force, NASA, something like that. 769 00:51:51,295 --> 00:51:54,419 But there was something odd about the eyes. 770 00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:56,666 Help me, please! Please! 771 00:51:56,667 --> 00:51:59,735 Where are we? What's going on? 772 00:51:59,736 --> 00:52:01,804 What are those things? 773 00:52:01,805 --> 00:52:03,540 I was asking questions. 774 00:52:03,541 --> 00:52:04,807 Why aren't you talking to me? 775 00:52:04,808 --> 00:52:06,909 He didn't speak. 776 00:52:06,910 --> 00:52:08,444 Who are you? 777 00:52:08,445 --> 00:52:11,828 I thought maybe it's because of the helmet preventing him from hearing. 778 00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:16,269 Why aren't you saying anything? Come on! 779 00:52:16,431 --> 00:52:18,435 He took me by the arm. 780 00:52:18,436 --> 00:52:20,890 Where are you taking me? Where are you taking me? 781 00:52:20,891 --> 00:52:22,758 I just thought that he was there to save me. 782 00:52:22,759 --> 00:52:25,219 Who are you? 783 00:52:28,847 --> 00:52:34,747 I continued to try to talk to him, but I'd kind of given up on getting an answer. 784 00:52:39,023 --> 00:52:42,743 He took me through some doors. 785 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,717 Had to be a purpose to step into this tiny space. 786 00:52:47,718 --> 00:52:51,198 Then the cool air came in. 787 00:52:55,025 --> 00:52:59,105 He wanted me to go down this ramp. 788 00:53:06,505 --> 00:53:10,420 I looked back, and I saw that we had just come out of a craft 789 00:53:10,421 --> 00:53:13,901 like the one in the woods. 790 00:53:16,580 --> 00:53:21,800 My eyes were still adjusting to the brighter light. 791 00:53:24,421 --> 00:53:30,321 I don't know if this was part of a larger craft or, like, an airplane hangar. 792 00:53:31,795 --> 00:53:34,915 It really seemed huge. 793 00:53:37,601 --> 00:53:43,501 There was other craft in there, like the disc-shaped craft we came out of. 794 00:53:44,841 --> 00:53:48,478 I didn't know where he was taking me. 795 00:53:48,479 --> 00:53:54,359 Not knowing is more terrifying than the most explicit terror. 796 00:53:57,311 --> 00:53:59,722 He took me through some doors. 797 00:53:59,723 --> 00:54:03,563 There was a short hallway there. 798 00:54:08,465 --> 00:54:12,168 These three people were standing there. 799 00:54:12,169 --> 00:54:18,069 There was something about their eyes that just seemed a little different. 800 00:54:20,311 --> 00:54:23,971 These were my rescuers, right? 801 00:54:24,881 --> 00:54:29,585 They were trying to get me to lay down on this table. 802 00:54:29,586 --> 00:54:31,187 No, please. What are you doing? 803 00:54:31,188 --> 00:54:33,856 I started to get alarmed. 804 00:54:33,857 --> 00:54:36,693 What are they gonna do to me? Why do they want me to lay on this table? 805 00:54:36,694 --> 00:54:38,794 No! No! 806 00:54:38,929 --> 00:54:43,429 All three of them were wrestling me down. 807 00:54:43,667 --> 00:54:47,927 Felt like I was fighting for my life. 808 00:55:05,247 --> 00:55:07,115 I was totally terrified. 809 00:55:07,116 --> 00:55:08,833 No! No! 810 00:55:08,834 --> 00:55:12,854 One of them had this plastic mask. 811 00:55:13,209 --> 00:55:19,109 I remember just getting my fingers under the edge and trying to pull it away. 812 00:55:19,581 --> 00:55:22,281 And then just... 813 00:55:28,348 --> 00:55:32,548 That was the last thing I remembered. 814 00:55:41,383 --> 00:55:46,423 It was some time before I saw any of the crew. 815 00:55:49,024 --> 00:55:52,564 We met up at Mike's house. 816 00:55:58,099 --> 00:56:00,859 He was different. 817 00:56:04,683 --> 00:56:07,923 Didn't act like Travis. 818 00:56:08,634 --> 00:56:12,054 He looked pretty shook up. 819 00:56:13,606 --> 00:56:16,841 He still had a great amount of fear in his eyes. 820 00:56:16,842 --> 00:56:19,362 Are you okay? 821 00:56:25,517 --> 00:56:28,037 What happened? 822 00:56:28,887 --> 00:56:32,022 The details are still quite foggy. 823 00:56:32,023 --> 00:56:35,493 The story Travis told was really bizarre. 824 00:56:35,494 --> 00:56:39,274 I remember being in the forest. 825 00:56:43,869 --> 00:56:46,569 Hard to believe. 826 00:56:47,392 --> 00:56:50,692 But he was very sincere. 827 00:56:55,021 --> 00:56:58,861 What would I do but believe it? 828 00:57:00,739 --> 00:57:06,639 Soon as he told me, I believed it because I saw the first part. 829 00:57:09,395 --> 00:57:12,268 Didn't think any way that a 22-year-old man 830 00:57:12,269 --> 00:57:15,949 could be knocked to the ground like that and just shake it off 831 00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:20,871 and hide and think up some story to tell people. 832 00:57:20,872 --> 00:57:23,330 I didn't have any problem at all with it. 833 00:57:23,331 --> 00:57:28,671 I'd known him for years. I knew he wasn't a liar. 834 00:57:29,881 --> 00:57:35,461 They were dealing with the same kind of things I was... 835 00:57:35,721 --> 00:57:38,601 Ridicule, suspicion. 836 00:57:41,794 --> 00:57:47,465 People were desperate to explain this away any way they could. 837 00:57:47,466 --> 00:57:53,366 One theory said that Mike or my brother or me hung up papier-mache in a tree. 838 00:57:54,822 --> 00:57:57,337 I'm not even going there. That's just ridiculous. 839 00:57:57,338 --> 00:57:59,610 A model hanging in the tree? 840 00:57:59,611 --> 00:58:02,880 I've sat and thought it over many, many times, 841 00:58:02,881 --> 00:58:07,352 hoping it would be something like that, but it was not possible. 842 00:58:07,353 --> 00:58:11,121 They just saw a ball of lightning. 843 00:58:11,122 --> 00:58:14,191 There's no doubt in my mind of what I saw. 844 00:58:14,192 --> 00:58:16,494 I could see the framework of this thing. 845 00:58:16,495 --> 00:58:22,266 Some people said this was some kind of a drug hallucination or psychosis. 846 00:58:22,267 --> 00:58:25,970 There was no evidence for any drugs in his urine or blood, 847 00:58:25,971 --> 00:58:29,571 no evidence of any psychosis. 848 00:58:29,899 --> 00:58:34,879 If it was a hoax, why delay it for five days? 849 00:58:35,479 --> 00:58:39,195 The law enforcement come up with the idea that maybe the crew had hit 850 00:58:39,196 --> 00:58:45,096 me on the head, slipped me drugs, and then made up the whole story. 851 00:58:46,193 --> 00:58:49,757 No, there might have been a couple of times I wanted to hit him, but... 852 00:58:49,758 --> 00:58:52,697 We didn't. None of us did that, no. 853 00:58:52,698 --> 00:58:55,366 I think they just decided that there was a way 854 00:58:55,367 --> 00:58:59,203 that they could tell this story and get in the news. 855 00:58:59,204 --> 00:59:02,619 Who's gonna come into town and tell a story... 856 00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:06,677 That we know half the population isn't gonna believe anyway? 857 00:59:06,678 --> 00:59:11,315 I felt the law enforcement was the victim of a fraud. 858 00:59:11,316 --> 00:59:13,017 I need to report a missing person. 859 00:59:13,018 --> 00:59:17,818 I think they used us to enhance their story. 860 00:59:18,223 --> 00:59:22,252 I think Travis was hid out somewhere out there and... 861 00:59:22,253 --> 00:59:27,653 Did a good job of hiding out, because we didn't find him. 862 00:59:27,654 --> 00:59:30,749 Travis wasn't hiding. We didn't make the story up. 863 00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:33,754 He didn't make the story up. It was all for real. 864 00:59:33,755 --> 00:59:37,295 Terrifying, but it was real. 865 00:59:41,513 --> 00:59:45,316 We basically went our separate ways. 866 00:59:45,317 --> 00:59:50,117 All of us experienced a life-changing trauma. 867 00:59:52,023 --> 00:59:55,159 It had a profound effect on my life. 868 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,896 I kind of took off and went kind of wild for a while. 869 00:59:58,897 --> 01:00:01,699 I didn't like being called a liar. 870 01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:04,836 I didn't want people knowing about it, so I left the area. 871 01:00:04,837 --> 01:00:09,143 And for years, I never talked about it. 872 01:00:09,144 --> 01:00:14,244 It was the most horrifying experience of my life. 873 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,819 It was hard to come to terms with. 874 01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:23,611 I got two brothers that don't believe me, and my mom don't believe me. 875 01:00:23,612 --> 01:00:29,512 That's the hard part. You tell the truth, and people think you're lying. 876 01:00:29,698 --> 01:00:33,898 I left Arizona and didn't come back. 877 01:00:34,368 --> 01:00:36,567 It was an extremely hard thing to go through, 878 01:00:36,568 --> 01:00:41,908 and it's been very hard to remember over the years. 879 01:00:46,077 --> 01:00:49,257 I had nightmares and... 880 01:00:58,024 --> 01:01:00,787 For a couple of weeks after that I was... 881 01:01:00,788 --> 01:01:02,888 Like a little kid... 882 01:01:02,889 --> 01:01:05,829 Afraid of the dark. 883 01:01:09,535 --> 01:01:13,735 I was afraid to look out the window. 884 01:01:14,185 --> 01:01:18,445 I mean, for a guy of 25 years old... 885 01:01:18,778 --> 01:01:23,638 Being afraid you were gonna see a spaceship... 886 01:01:23,882 --> 01:01:27,785 Is something that I haven't gotten over. 887 01:01:27,786 --> 01:01:30,486 I wish I could. 888 01:01:43,702 --> 01:01:49,462 I know that Mike felt some guilt about having driven away. 889 01:01:49,530 --> 01:01:53,550 Maybe there was some recriminations. 890 01:01:56,424 --> 01:01:59,795 That experience is still inexplicable. 891 01:01:59,796 --> 01:02:02,856 It's still bothering. 892 01:02:09,517 --> 01:02:13,837 I'm 100% sure of what happened to me. 893 01:02:15,389 --> 01:02:18,689 I tested Travis in 1993. 894 01:02:20,561 --> 01:02:22,971 Travis was not lying. 895 01:02:22,972 --> 01:02:26,866 It did happen as he said it did. 896 01:02:26,867 --> 01:02:29,202 Exactly as it said it did... 897 01:02:29,203 --> 01:02:32,452 Because the questions were made specifically 898 01:02:32,453 --> 01:02:36,653 on facts that he claimed to be true. 899 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,551 It does surprise me that they've stuck to the story. 900 01:02:44,552 --> 01:02:48,988 Someday I would like to get the real story. 901 01:02:48,989 --> 01:02:52,889 Just for my personal satisfaction. 902 01:02:56,556 --> 01:02:59,640 I wish I had never gotten out of that truck. 903 01:02:59,641 --> 01:03:03,301 I'd rather it never happened. 904 01:03:03,584 --> 01:03:07,904 Those who doubt will continue to doubt. 905 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:16,120 If people don't want to believe it, that's their problem. 906 01:03:16,327 --> 01:03:20,167 So I'm kind of left with that. 907 01:03:20,170 --> 01:03:26,070 Sync & corrections by P2Pfiend. 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