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Becoming a mother
was my first concern.
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The way she would be born didn't
really matter to me.
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l only wanted her to be healthy.
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l thought l was preparing myself
for a natural birth
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by doing yoga and talking to people
who had already had
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a normal birth.
But now l'm aware
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l didn't have any information
about
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the physiology of a natural birth
and its importance to the baby
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MOTHER AND BlOLOGlST
and the mother.
l didn't take it into consideration.
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What l took into consideration was
my anxiety and the doctor's opinion.
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He cared more about his
valuable time
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than about my daughter's life.
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When l went to the doctor's,
the ultrasound report
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showed a nuchal cord.
He said:
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''She has a loop of umbilical cord
around her neck which may kill her.''
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When a mother hears that and
she isn't prepared
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and has never heard anything about it
until that point: ''What do l do?''
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l asked the doctor and he said:
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''Let's schedule a C-section to avoid
such thing from happening.''
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l was 38 weeks and 2 days pregnant
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and the C-section was scheduled
for the next day.
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Everything went just fine,
my post-op recovery was nice,
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the baby's APGAR was good.
So to me
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it was a perfect delivery in which
my daughter was born well.
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And as soon as l got pregnant
with my second daughter,
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the first one was 3 years old only;
l showed her what it was like
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to have a baby in the belly and
what it was like to be born.
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So l took out the video from
the day she was born.
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And she was shocked;
l was shocked,
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even though l had seen the video
several times before.
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But at that moment l was touched
because she kept asking
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''Mom, why am l alone? l was born
and there is nobody with me.''
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She was, as she said it herself,
abandoned.
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She didn't use these exact words,
but it was something like
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''You left Maria Luisa alone, mom.
Why?
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l was in your belly and now l'm alone.
Where are you? Where's dad?''
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l watched my daughter
come out of me,
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the way she was taken out,
being shown very quickly to me
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by a pediatrician who didn't
allow her to come closer.
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l asked them to untie me,
but they didn't.
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After watching the video that
l could realize
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the way they treated her,
making her go through
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several procedures
l consider highly unnecessary.
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Moreover, it was cold, there was
a bright light in her eyes,
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she was crying.
Besides being brutally taken out,
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she had to go through all that during
her first minute of life.
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At that moment l made up my mind:
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my next daughter will be born
the most natural way possible.
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This is not going to happen again.
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And l sought for information to know
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why and what l could do,
so that my child could be born well...
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and l found it.
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''BlRTH REBORN''
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A FlLM BY �RlCA DE PAULA
AND EDUARDO CHAUVET
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We are lucky to be dealing with
an issue
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that has to do with everyone.
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Everyone was born and most
people will desire to have a child.
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So this subject is related
to the whole society.
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SClENTlST AND OB-GYN
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lndeed, there are stories
telling us that labor during
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the pre-agricultural civilization was
much simpler and much faster.
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The way childbirth is assisted in
contemporary industrialized societies
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is a very new event if we take
into consideration
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the time we have been on Earth.
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Childbirth used to be something
absolutely of women among women.
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From that time on,
there have been several changes.
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Technological breakthrough,
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the doctor as a new player
in the childbirth scenario...
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And of course, by the time
we place women inside a hospital,
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two other situations come historically:
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horizontal delivery and episiotomy.
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The entrance of men in the sacred
and hidden universe of birth
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ended up bringing along,
with the lights of reasoning,
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a change in the models and
paradigms of childbirth.
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Not very long ago, a huge amount
of babies used to be born at home,
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were attended by people from
their community, by women.
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NURSE-MlDWlFE, PHD
Of course that at that time,
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if there was a problem,
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mother and baby would die,
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something that doesn't happen
nowadays because we can combine
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modern science
and ancient knowledge.
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Women have been going to a place
specifically built
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to assist sick people,
such as a hospital,
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for only 40 or 50 years.
Therefore,
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it has been a very abrupt
transformation of a family,
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OB-GYN
affectionate event surrounded
by people known to the woman
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and where she exerted
a certain control
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into an event in an absolutely
inhospitable place
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with people who are complete
strangers to her everyday life,
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full of machines. Thus it is quite
a scary place for most women.
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lt is no wonder that many women
upon arrival to the hospital
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start presenting problems which
will subsequently be treated
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with further added technology
by the doctors.
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CURRENT REALlTY
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ANTHROPOLOGlST, PHD
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When women went to the hospitals
to have their children,
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as in a mass migration,
they lost their power over birth.
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They handed it over to the doctors.
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They ended up settling to rigid
patterns established
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by the medical system in which one
has to deliver within a number of hours
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and behave in a standardized way.
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Oxytocin, endorphin,
prolactin and even adrenalin
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are fundamental to the bonding
phenomenon
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between the mother and child.
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These are extremely
important hormones
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that are secreted during birth process
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in a very subtle way.
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We are not able to give birth
like our mothers used to...
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my mother had 3 normal deliveries.
Or like my grandmother.
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MOTHER AND PUBLlC MANAGER
ln fact, we ask ourselves:
''What is happening with our bodies,
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with our history, that we're
not able to do anymore
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what should be normal, right?
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''Do what other mammals,
other animals do.''
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Highly technology-oriented,
childbirth model of care in Brazil
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has slowly created
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MlNlSTRY OF HEALTH OFFlClAL
a cultural phenomenon in which
C-sections are the most comfortable
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mode of birth, perhaps more suitable
to this consumer society.
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The world today is prone to put
you into an OR for a C-section.
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l have understood that is a fact.
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Nowadays, childbirth in Brazil has
become a surgical procedure
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rather than a physiological event.
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NURSE-MlDWlFE
Everyone sees delivery as
a surgical procedure:
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the doctor, the patient,
the hospital.
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Brazilian health system
is ineffective, right?
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Even private health insurance
can't assist the way they should.
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ln regard to pregnant patients,
it is a true increasing fact.
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ln a prenatal appointment today,
a fifteen-minute appointment,
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you can't even clarify your doubts.
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1 5 minutes is the time it takes
for you to lie down,
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for the doctor to measure your blood
pressure and listen to your baby
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and you get up. How can a doctor
afford to keep his office open,
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on business, right,
with a 1 5-dollar fee?
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We are all taxpayers and
we are paying
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EPlDEMlOLOGlST, PHD
for an assistance which is
either inappropriate
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or endangers the lives
of women and babies.
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Nowadays, our cesarean rate,
to our sorrow,
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exceeded 50�/�.
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We have a 52�/� cesarean rate
in Brazil.
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There is a cultural and
economic logic behind this.
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There's a reason for that
to have happened.
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The patient has this thinking
that C-section is more controlled,
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it is less risky, that it does not
carry any risks,
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that her baby will be saved.
The doctor, on the other hand,
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despite having learned that
vaginal birth is safe,
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that it's good for the mother
and baby,
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he ends up believing a little
in some of this false truth
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that C-section is safer.
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THE lNDUSTRY OF BlRTH
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l was very young,
l was 22, 23 years old
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and l still had no idea of this
world of C-sections.
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MOTHER AND DlETlClAN
l thought it was possible to
have a normal birth,
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in fact, the doctor led me to believe
this until the end of pregnancy,
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''No doubt you will have a normal birth,
don't worry about it, everything is OK.''
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And suddenly she said that
Pedro had the umbilical cord
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wrapped twice around his neck
and that was the explanation
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she gave me so that Pedro
would be born by C-section.
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l was very young.
l truly believed her,
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but there was something in
my unconscious,
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something telling me that
l was wrong, it wasn't that way.
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Who would switch doctors
at 38-39 weeks, going against her?
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lf there is any problem...
and the whole family saying
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''You must give birth now''.
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And then l ended up
having the C- section.
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FATHER AND ACTOR
Sure it's business! For the doctor
it is much better to perform
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a C-section. Of course there are
exceptions, there are people
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who have a little more common sense
and actually wait for birth,
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but most of them, they say they
prefer doing a C-section.
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The amount of time one spends
attending birth doesn't fit
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in the time schedule
of many professionals.
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The amount of money private health
insurance pays isn't worth
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cancelling your private
office appointments.
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You earn more on one afternoon at
the office than attending a birth.
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And we can't evade reality.
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Many C-sections are performed
due to doctor's convenience.
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We see a lot more NlCU
admissions
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PEDlATRlClAN
the day before major holidays
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because on those dates C-sections
are performed more frequently
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as obviously doctors want to spend
the holiday without the risk
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of being forced to leave home
to attend a birth.
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But that's part of our choice.
We chose this specialty.
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OB-GYN, PHD
When interviewing postpartum women,
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they often believe that there was
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a medical indication
for their C-sections.
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When we interview doctors,
they blame
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women's decision
for their C-sections.
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They are women who are sometimes
in their first pregnancy,
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who are slaughtered in a cesarean,
without the slightest mercy or pity.
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MOTHER AND ACCOUNTANT
At first l had no idea about
the type of birth l wanted.
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l was afraid but l started to find out
that normal birth
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was really the best. l did a lot
of research through internet,
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chatting with friends.
And then it started like this:
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friends referred me to
their doctors, right?
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But most of them wanted me
to have a C-section.
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They tried to persuade me
into a C-section.
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l would go and say: ''Doc,
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tell me about natural childbirth.''
And he replied:
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''No, Amanda, normal delivery?
No, that doesn't exist anymore.''
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He would say that nowadays
C-sections are quick.
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You have one, go home, recover,
and there is no problem at all.
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But this was just one doctor.
After that
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l still had three appointments
with him,
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but then he was scaring me and my
desire for a normal birth increased.
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Now, think from the
hospital perspective.
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What would you prefer?
One patient, like a pregnant woman,
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who will deliver a baby and will not
spend anything from that hospital,
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she will basically pay for
her hospital stay,
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because in a natural birth you
spend what? Compress,
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gauze, nothing else.
So for the hospital
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it is much more interesting to get
that conveniently scheduled patient
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that they can count how many patients
there will be during that day, right?
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The OR moves smoothly and orderly...
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When a laboring woman arrives,
the party is over, isn't it?
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For twelve hours that OR
cannot be used
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because there's a laboring
woman there.
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lt is a multifactorial problem;
there isn't a character
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CERTlFlED PROFESSlONAL MlDWlFE
such as the big bad
wolf in this story.
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There are interests that intertwine.
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But one of the things we hear most
is that women ask for C-sections
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and then there are two aspects:
firstly, if a woman thinks
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that her option is that horrendous
birth, when she is abandoned
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and she has no privacy,
there's cutting and pain,
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she asks for cesarean.
And the second aspect is that
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this woman who actually asks
for a C-section, she exists,
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but she is a minority in Brazil.
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There is research on that.
Potter's work,
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in collaboration with
Professor Fa�ndes, has shown
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that only 20�/� of women in early
pregnancy preferred C-section.
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Most women get pregnant and say
''l wish l have a normal birth''.
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As prenatal care continues,
she changes her mind.
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And sometimes things are very subtle
like, ''Wow, what a big baby,
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you know, do you think it's
going to pass? Difficult, right,
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a big baby like that!'' This is only to
undermine women's self-confidence.
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''Oh, do you want a normal birth?
Congratulations,
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because it hurts a lot, it is very
difficult, you are quite brave.''
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That kind of subliminal message
that normal birth is difficult,
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painful, a difficult challenge
to overcome,
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already undermining her confidence.
She says
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''Hey, it's true, am l ready for that?''
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Three weeks before my due date,
he said that even though
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she was head down and engaged,
she was too large.
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Then he asked me to do an ultrasound
with a doctor he referred me to.
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We saw my baby moving.
Everything was fine.
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Then we saw a frozen image with
a baby with the umbilical cord
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wrapped around her
neck three times.
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And at that moment we realized
that it was not our daughter
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on the screen and we told him,
showing distrust
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MOTHER AND PROFESSOR
and he changed the subject.
We left
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and headed to another clinic
where there was a doctor
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whom we trusted, that attended
my first birth, my first pregnancy.
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Then l did the ultrasound there
half an hour later
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and there was no loop of umbilical
cord around her neck.
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That day l returned
to my doctor's office
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and showed him the second ultrasound
without the loop around her neck.
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He said ''Oh, you didn't have
the ultrasound done
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with the doctor that l recommended?''
l said ''No,
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l preferred to have it done by
this doctor, whom l trust.''
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He said, ''The thing is that your
baby is big. l can't deliver her.
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You'll have to have C-section.''
l said,
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''Doctor, can't l even wait,
you know, wait for contractions,
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have any sign that she is ready
to be born?'' He said
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''No, we can schedule.
l have a day, next Wednesday.
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lf you want to schedule C-section,
l'll do it for you;
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if not, you can find
another doctor.''
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For those who know how
to perform surgeries,
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it's the curse of the scalpel,
a very easy solution.
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You must have philosophical principles
and very strong convictions
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not to give in to this temptation.
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There are some private health
insurances that pay out only $90
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for a doctor to attend a birth.
Ninety dollars!
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lt's a great responsibility,
you have to be available
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since the patient enters the ninth
month, you have to be available
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for her night and day,
from dusk till dawn.
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l guess it's the only specialty that
you have two lives in your hands
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all the time, in a hospital where
there isn't any kind of support,
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no physical structure.
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Then there comes a point
when you get tired.
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Still, many doctors start their
careers attending vaginal births,
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they struggle to do so, as time
goes by, that starts to fade away
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if you don't have
very strong convictions.
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That creates a feeling
of dissatisfaction, and then
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you decide you don't want
any of that anymore.
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MYTHS
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Many myths have been created
about the risks, right,
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and you, as a protective mother,
what do you do?
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You want to minimize them.
And then someone asks you:
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''Do you want your baby to suffer
greater or minor risks?''
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So, if you want to talk about risks,
stop, study, read and understand
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which risks exist in each line
of thought.
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Prenatal myths are numerous.
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We find them in beauty salons in
those chats about
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my neighbor's cousin.
''My neighbor's cousin
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tried a vaginal birth and
something horrible happened.''
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At the doctor's the myths we find
are: the baby is big and won't pass;
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the woman is old, she can't birth -
and by old l mean she is over 30, 35.
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That she is too young to give birth;
that she is too fat to give birth,
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or too skinny; that she is sedentary;
that her vagina will become loose;
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well... that it hurts a lot;
that if you have high blood pressure
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you can't have a normal birth,
that a diabetic can't have it either...
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Umbilical cord around baby's neck,
baby too big, baby too small,
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advanced placenta maturity,
high or low amniotic fluid levels
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are fake indications.
They are ghostly entities
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that have been created
for cesarean indications.
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One of the greatest excuses,
the champion of all,
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is the cord wrapped around
the baby's neck.
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lt's an absolutely physiological
finding and around 40�/� of the babies
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are born with a loop of umbilical
cord around their necks,
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but the myth of the ''killing cord''
has been created.
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There isn't any chance of a baby
being strangled by his umbilical cord!
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Another talk we hear a lot is
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that the woman didn't
go into labor, which is,
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you know, a lie because
all women go into labor.
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Yet, if they perform a C-section
before labor starts,
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then obviously she won't
go into labor.
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But if we wait until 42 weeks,
that is the period of time
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a pregnancy might last, women
will go into labor eventually.
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We hear a lot about lack of dilation,
but this is extremely rare.
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ln most cases referred
as lack of dilation,
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there wasn't any respect
for what is physiological;
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women were admitted
to the hospital too early
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or not in active labor.
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lt takes patience and waiting
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as dilation won't happen
as if by magic.
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l remember asking my doctor:
''ls everything all right with him?''
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Because l told her that once born,
l wanted him to come to me,
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l was already not happy with
that C-section, alright?
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''Look, when he is born, please,
leave him with me''.
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And l kept asking if everything was OK
and no one would answer me!
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And l was worried because Pedro
had to go to another corner
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with the pediatrician.
l couldn't stop
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asking if everything was
alright with him!
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Then she came to me
and said ''Andrea!
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Everything is fine with your son,
calm down!'' Just like that.
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And l said: ''Ok, everything is fine,
but l want him here with me.''
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You know, l was so fragile with
such rude answer she gave me.
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And she was so insensitive,
you know,
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in such an important moment for me,
she didn't respect that.
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Because for her, it's just another
one, isn't it? lt's different.
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For her it was just another one
being born.
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CESAREAN SURGERY
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Cesarean is a wonderful surgery
that saves lives every day,
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but it is not to be performed
in every patient,
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in an unnecessary way,
electively, without labor.
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When it is non-medically indicated,
it puts woman and baby at risk,
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three times more than
in a normal delivery.
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For the baby, the risk of an
unnecessary cesarean surgery
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is the risk of being born
prematurely.
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Ultrasound, for instance,
is important
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to estimate gestational age
until 1 3 weeks.
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lt is more accurate
in this period.
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Near the end of pregnancy the margin
of error increases to plus or minus
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two weeks in predicting a due date.
Some scientific studies have shown
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that this error is frequently
for less.
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Therefore, we think the baby
is 37 or 38 weeks
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when in reality she is
two weeks younger.
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Nowadays this is what we call
a hidden epidemic,
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which happens in
higher social classes
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and it's becoming almost natural
that the way to be born
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is through a C-section.
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And it's a scheduled
cesarean section.
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And what comes as a consequence
is that premature babies
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are being brought into this world.
Babies that very often need to go
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to the NlCU and suffer all the
repercussion of being premature,
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not ready to be born.
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Among lay public the idea that
remains is that the C-section
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saved that baby. lf the baby was
born in bad conditions by C-section,
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imagine if the mother had
waited 3 weeks longer!
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Under what conditions would
this baby be born?
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lf there is one thing we can say
that is really radical, that's birth.
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lt's true, clamping the cord,
abstracting from all symbolism in it.
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You are connected to a placenta
that is attached to your mother,
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everything biologically functioning
together, and then in the next second
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you say ''now you are on your own'';
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this is deeply radical
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and that's exactly what happens
during a scheduled C-section.
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World Health Organization studies
show that C-sections
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without a well-defined clinical
indication are associated
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with the increase of respiratory
complications for the newborn,
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increasing chance of being
admitted into the neonatal lCU
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and increase
in neonatal mortality.
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For the mother there
is a higher risk
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of hemorrhagic and infectious
complications,
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let alone long-term complications.
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Then one has to look
at greater populations,
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cannot look at ten births but rather
check one thousand births at least.
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And then we will identify that
in elective C-sections
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there are more premature babies
being born, more infections,
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more weaning, a more difficult
mother-baby bonding.
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lt's evident that if born that way,
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frequently the baby is not
given to her mother,
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she is not allowed to nurse
in the OR,
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no one waits for the birth to end
before all the procedures are done
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with her, they take the baby away,
it's the same assembly line.
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What l want to know is
''did we schedule with the baby
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that she is going to be born
on Friday at 4 PM, and if we did,
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did she answer that
she is ready to come?''
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This is an impossible agreement!
That doesn't exist.
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Then l switched doctors,
l had three appointments with him
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and l felt l was being put on
the backburner, understand?
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From the beginning
l told him l wanted to birth
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and in one of the visits,
l was already 8 months pregnant
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and he said: ''Look, Amanda,
l can't deliver your baby.''
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Outraged, l started looking
for another doctor.
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l had nothing else to do,
l was eight months pregnant,
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l had to have the baby and l still
wanted to have a normal birth.
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One day l felt sick and went to
a hospital, right, to an ER.
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And l met this doctor, told him my
story, that l wanted a normal birth.
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And he spoke like that: ''Well,
Amanda, you have a good pelvis,
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we can deliver your baby''.
So l had my last prenatal visits
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with this doctor and waited
for the day to come.
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ESSENTlAL FEMALE DEFECTlVENESS
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Human birth is an event that
has been molded over
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five to seven million years
of experimentation.
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ln spite of those million years
of improvement
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culminating in the contemporary
obstetric model, it was fundamental
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to create the idea that women
are essentially incompetent
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and unable to handle the
birth process by themselves.
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We were trained during
medical school to believe
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that female's bodies are defective,
that a woman needs interventions
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to be able to birth and that our
intervention is always necessary.
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Women themselves believe
that they are unable
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to give birth to their children in a
more natural and physiological way
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because culture contaminates
their self-esteem.
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And then, what should have essentially
been an empowering process
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for them by the time they give life
and birth, has been transformed
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into a process that fundamentally
strengthens doctors and corporations.
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We have a lot to learn from
countryside women,
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because they are
in close contact
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with their own being
and with nature.
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When they get pregnant, they do
not doubt whether or not
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they are going to be able to give
birth. The brain doesn't get in the way,
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you know? The mind of the modern
woman does get in the way.
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We need to clear ourselves from
those mental contaminations,
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this social idea that the woman
will not give birth because
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MlDWlFE AND ANTHROPOLOGlST
women nowadays don't know
how to give birth anymore.
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This is not true. We women,
we know how to give birth!
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We enjoy giving birth.
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l've always been skinny,
my hips are narrow,
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l used to think l had
some kind of defect,
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that l would never be able
to give birth until l got pregnant.
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MOTHER AND PUBLlC SERVANT
l ended up switching OB doctors,
l heard stories
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that the first would make up excuses.
After being able to give birth normally,
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l realized l don't have
any defect,
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l'm part of the Nature's perfection.
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My daughter was born small,
she's not a big baby
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and l am a small woman and
even then Nature is perfect.
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The current Brazilian childbirth
model of care
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- and in many other countries
around the world -
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is doubtlessly based on pathology.
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We sometimes end up doing what
we call prenatal nocebo effect,
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when we label that woman,
you know...
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''Either she has high or
low blood pressure,
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too much or too little
amniotic fluid,
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she puts on too much
or too little weight.''
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These are minor issues that
are created to show
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that this woman,
she has a problem.
456
00:37:46,741 --> 00:37:49,437
Hardly does a woman leave
any prenatal visit saying:
457
00:37:49,644 --> 00:37:51,908
''l'm great, l'm happy,
everything is alright''.
458
00:37:52,247 --> 00:37:58,846
This is very cool, facing pregnancy
not as a state of tension, worries,
459
00:37:59,053 --> 00:38:01,613
thinking that something might
go wrong, and yes...
460
00:38:01,823 --> 00:38:05,350
''see, how nice, l am creating life!
A gorgeous pregnant woman!
461
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,188
Look how cool it is,
what a blessing, you know?''
462
00:38:08,863 --> 00:38:13,493
An OB who worked for several years
in a reference hospital,
463
00:38:13,701 --> 00:38:16,431
he has seen so many problems
that it's difficult to separate
464
00:38:16,638 --> 00:38:17,662
the wheat from the chaff.
465
00:38:17,872 --> 00:38:19,703
And most pregnancies are
healthy and normal,
466
00:38:19,908 --> 00:38:22,342
but the complicated cases
make a real impression.
467
00:38:22,544 --> 00:38:24,034
Today you arrive
at the doctor's and say:
468
00:38:24,245 --> 00:38:27,874
l want to have a normal birth.
The classic answer is:
469
00:38:28,082 --> 00:38:31,779
''lf everything is all right,
then you can have a normal birth''.
470
00:38:31,986 --> 00:38:34,216
At the time you say
''if everything is all right'',
471
00:38:34,422 --> 00:38:38,552
we almost reverse that: ''Of course
you are going to have a normal birth,
472
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,228
if something bad happens,
then you can't.''
473
00:40:18,126 --> 00:40:21,357
l was here at home, already
sleeping when my water broke
474
00:40:21,562 --> 00:40:24,793
at around 3 am.
So next we called the doctor.
475
00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:28,035
So he said he was kinda sleepy
because it was 3 in the morning
476
00:40:28,236 --> 00:40:31,899
and he asked: ''What time is it?''
l replied: ''3 am.''
477
00:40:32,106 --> 00:40:34,802
''No, Amanda, you gotta wait now.''
Good, then.
478
00:40:35,009 --> 00:40:38,706
Five minutes later he called me.
l'm not kidding,
479
00:40:38,913 --> 00:40:40,847
l think it was 5 minutes and
he said: ''No, Amanda,
480
00:40:41,049 --> 00:40:44,212
go to the hospital because
l have to check on you,
481
00:40:44,419 --> 00:40:49,447
we will feel your dilation,
see it right, the color of the fluid
482
00:40:49,657 --> 00:40:52,558
that is draining out...''
And everything was fine, right,
483
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,024
l told him about the color of
the fluid, and he said:
484
00:40:55,229 --> 00:40:56,890
''lt's normal, but head to the
hospital let's take a look.
485
00:40:57,098 --> 00:40:58,725
When you arrive there, you will be
checked by a colleague
486
00:40:58,933 --> 00:41:02,391
and then l'll arrive. lf that's the
case, we will have to perform
487
00:41:02,603 --> 00:41:07,370
a C-section.'' l arrived,
she did a vaginal exam
488
00:41:07,575 --> 00:41:12,444
and l was 1 cm dilated. My doctor
arrived right away and said so:
489
00:41:12,647 --> 00:41:14,877
''Oh, Amanda, this can be very
harmful for your baby,
490
00:41:15,083 --> 00:41:20,043
because until you pass through
all the dilation process,
491
00:41:20,254 --> 00:41:23,985
it can take long and can lead
to fetal distress.''
492
00:41:24,859 --> 00:41:26,292
l got scared, you see,
l said,
493
00:41:26,494 --> 00:41:29,827
l'm not going to let that happen.
Do what you gotta do.
494
00:41:37,038 --> 00:41:40,804
EVlDENCE-BASED MEDlClNE
495
00:41:41,809 --> 00:41:46,405
ln theory there should be a bridge
over which the produced
496
00:41:46,614 --> 00:41:50,812
scientific knowledge from one
side to the obstetric practice
497
00:41:51,018 --> 00:41:53,009
on the other side would pass.
Unfortunately,
498
00:41:53,221 --> 00:41:55,621
this bridge is broken
in many circumstances.
499
00:41:55,990 --> 00:42:00,620
Contrary to what many lay people
think, for a long period of time,
500
00:42:00,828 --> 00:42:05,128
medical practice was not supported
by solid scientific evidence.
501
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,897
When we started talking about
evidence-based medicine,
502
00:42:09,103 --> 00:42:12,504
there were people,
especially health providers,
503
00:42:12,707 --> 00:42:14,675
who were shocked:
''but how is that possible?
504
00:42:14,876 --> 00:42:17,743
How come medicine is not based
on evidence?
505
00:42:17,979 --> 00:42:20,914
lsn't medicine a scientific activity?''
506
00:42:21,249 --> 00:42:27,415
lndeed, most clinical practice,
until recently,
507
00:42:27,622 --> 00:42:30,648
was not endorsed by solid
scientific evidence, unfortunately.
508
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:35,887
Some researchers realized that
childbirth care
509
00:42:36,097 --> 00:42:41,899
was based on guessing,
on medical dogma.
510
00:42:42,203 --> 00:42:44,899
Then they questioned that,
started to investigate
511
00:42:45,106 --> 00:42:50,408
and to compare birth outcomes
with or without episiotomy,
512
00:42:50,611 --> 00:42:52,841
with or without Pitocin,
for instance.
513
00:42:53,047 --> 00:42:55,948
And it dawned on them that most
procedures were harmful and painful,
514
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:58,948
and shouldn't be
routinely performed.
515
00:42:59,153 --> 00:43:05,717
lt's tragic. Many health professionals
didn't have access
516
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,420
to this knowledge.
Many medical school professors
517
00:43:10,631 --> 00:43:17,161
do not update their teachings
according to scientific evidences.
518
00:43:17,405 --> 00:43:20,238
There is that common speech:
''l've been delivering babies
519
00:43:20,441 --> 00:43:23,604
for 30 years, l've always performed
episiotomy and have never had
520
00:43:23,811 --> 00:43:25,802
any problem. lt's not now
that l'm going to change.''
521
00:43:26,013 --> 00:43:32,350
So it's very difficult to go against
this authoritative speech.
522
00:43:32,553 --> 00:43:36,353
lf the doctor said so, then... ''Geez,
who knows better than the doctor?''
523
00:43:37,391 --> 00:43:41,020
RlTUALlSTlC lNTERVENTlONS
524
00:43:55,543 --> 00:44:02,210
Human birth merges together the
three most feared events to mankind:
525
00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:06,047
life, death and sexuality.
526
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:11,050
lt's exactly for that reason that
we feel the need to ritualize,
527
00:44:11,259 --> 00:44:14,695
creating in ourselves,
health professionals,
528
00:44:14,896 --> 00:44:17,262
the delusion that we
have control over birth.
529
00:44:17,698 --> 00:44:21,225
That's why we resort to numerous
ritualistic interventions
530
00:44:21,435 --> 00:44:23,699
that bear no connection
with scientific evidence
531
00:44:23,905 --> 00:44:26,237
when attending pregnant
women in hospitals.
532
00:44:47,662 --> 00:44:52,725
Women are obliged to give birth
in the conventional dorsal position,
533
00:44:52,934 --> 00:44:59,498
must lie down during labor and
suffer unnecessary interventions.
534
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,823
And during birth itself,
apart from several aggressive,
535
00:45:25,032 --> 00:45:27,193
inadequate and unnecessary
verbal orders,
536
00:45:27,401 --> 00:45:31,497
there are also other interventions
such as episiotomy
537
00:45:31,739 --> 00:45:33,764
and Kristeller maneuver.
538
00:45:33,975 --> 00:45:38,173
lt is calculated that no more
than 1 5�/� of women
539
00:45:38,379 --> 00:45:43,043
present health or birth dynamics
problems to require
540
00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:45,946
some sort of intervention,
nevertheless we are close
541
00:45:46,153 --> 00:45:50,214
to 1 00�/� intervention. And it is
not possible that 1 00�/� of women
542
00:45:50,424 --> 00:45:53,518
may have a defect or problems
that prevent them
543
00:45:53,728 --> 00:45:57,186
from giving birth naturally. ''Our
bodies were not made for that?''
544
00:45:57,965 --> 00:46:01,401
My water broke at home,
but during birth,
545
00:46:01,602 --> 00:46:04,867
the OB climbed upon my stomach
along with the pediatrician,
546
00:46:05,072 --> 00:46:07,802
right, to help me... The pediatrician
was trying to push,
547
00:46:08,009 --> 00:46:10,842
MOTHER AND HOUSEWlFE
telling me to push my daughter out
and the other doctor was over me,
548
00:46:11,045 --> 00:46:13,104
and they cut me down here,
so l could deliver the baby.
549
00:46:13,914 --> 00:46:17,213
Contemporary society frequently
produces the poison,
550
00:46:17,418 --> 00:46:21,548
and then sells the antidote. That's
clearly what happened to childbirth.
551
00:46:23,024 --> 00:46:27,188
And then people have this
collective fantasy
552
00:46:27,395 --> 00:46:30,023
that it was either the mother's
or the baby's fault,
553
00:46:30,231 --> 00:46:31,255
or even the childbirth itself
was to be blamed.
554
00:46:31,465 --> 00:46:34,161
The problem was never caused
by those unnecessary interventions.
555
00:46:34,368 --> 00:46:37,496
So the idea is that hospital staff
saved all these people.
556
00:46:37,705 --> 00:46:39,832
Actually, these unnecessary
interventions performed
557
00:46:40,041 --> 00:46:43,010
in hospital's routine have created
all those subsequent problems.
558
00:46:43,210 --> 00:46:45,508
Sometimes it works like a cascade
of inadequate procedures,
559
00:46:45,713 --> 00:46:48,705
not only one isolated event.
For every procedure
560
00:46:48,916 --> 00:46:51,146
there is not only its inherent risk
but also the need
561
00:46:51,352 --> 00:46:57,621
of additional interventions in order
to fix what the first has caused.
562
00:46:58,459 --> 00:47:02,987
Women are not asked for permission
for all the procedures
563
00:47:03,197 --> 00:47:05,461
that are made on their bodies.
564
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:10,933
They sometimes suffer
very aggressive interventions.
565
00:47:11,338 --> 00:47:14,239
lt's a dilemma that we must
solve by searching
566
00:47:14,442 --> 00:47:19,470
for another childbirth model
of care, a natural birth indeed,
567
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,845
in which physiology should be
respected, in which interventions
568
00:47:25,052 --> 00:47:30,354
would be performed under
strict indication only.
569
00:47:33,761 --> 00:47:38,289
A newborn is like wet cement
and everything that they feel
570
00:47:38,499 --> 00:47:41,900
and their every sensation
is amplified.
571
00:47:42,269 --> 00:47:46,467
So, when a child is born at a cozy
home and is immediately placed
572
00:47:46,674 --> 00:47:48,835
in the warm arms of her parents,
you know, and
573
00:47:49,043 --> 00:47:53,742
experiences skin-to-skin contact...
the message she receives is:
574
00:47:53,948 --> 00:47:57,611
''it is worth being born, this world
feels like a receptive one,
575
00:47:57,818 --> 00:48:03,120
it is a warm world.
lf she is born and separated
576
00:48:03,324 --> 00:48:09,695
from her father and mother, it is
a beginning marked by the need
577
00:48:09,897 --> 00:48:14,095
for survival which
is very hard on them.
578
00:48:25,546 --> 00:48:30,984
The classical hospital childbirth
is very violent.
579
00:48:31,185 --> 00:48:34,052
There is the dispassionate
handling of the baby,
580
00:48:34,255 --> 00:48:38,885
PERlNATAL PSYCHOLOGY
stretching that little shrunken body,
all the noise and the lights around.
581
00:48:39,093 --> 00:48:43,086
lt is such a great shock that the
first strong transition of their lives
582
00:48:43,297 --> 00:48:44,889
is marked by violence.
583
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:04,916
l remember when Pedro
was born, that the girl
584
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,644
who was going to bathe him picked
him up as if he were a chicken,
585
00:49:07,855 --> 00:49:09,846
by his leg and l said:
''Cut it, cut it out! Cut it out!''
586
00:49:10,057 --> 00:49:11,285
and she replied: ''take it easy,
l do it every day''. Then l said:
587
00:49:11,492 --> 00:49:15,053
''But he has never. l don't care
if you do this twenty times a day,
588
00:49:15,262 --> 00:49:17,856
my son has just been born,
and he is mine and unique.
589
00:49:18,065 --> 00:49:19,464
He has never been grabbed like
a chicken by his feet
590
00:49:19,667 --> 00:49:22,534
or anywhere else because he was
in a bag of water, so let me do it.''
591
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:26,237
As pediatricians, many of us were
trained as routine procedure
592
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,738
to suction the baby's mouth so
they can breathe more easily
593
00:49:28,943 --> 00:49:32,401
as soon as they are born.
lf any of us, at an adult age,
594
00:49:32,613 --> 00:49:35,980
are subject to mouth suction,
we will vomit,
595
00:49:36,183 --> 00:49:39,619
it will be painful and we will
possibly feel discomfort
596
00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:43,051
if we need to eat anything
right after. Nevertheless,
597
00:49:43,257 --> 00:49:46,226
we are trained to do this
to all newborn.
598
00:49:46,427 --> 00:49:49,225
When it is an unnecessary procedure,
babies may perceive this
599
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:55,266
as an intense aggression
at their birth.
600
00:49:56,070 --> 00:50:00,370
A lot of dreadful mistakes
that we see,
601
00:50:00,574 --> 00:50:03,065
but the kid comes out alive,
so everybody...
602
00:50:03,544 --> 00:50:04,772
and it seems that the doctor
performed a miracle.
603
00:50:04,979 --> 00:50:06,446
Sorry, folks, the woman was
the one who gave birth,
604
00:50:06,647 --> 00:50:08,581
and God is backing her up.
605
00:50:09,550 --> 00:50:12,519
SURVlVlNG lSN'T ENOUGH
606
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,211
Unlike everyone's belief, birth
will mark the child's life, right?
607
00:50:15,422 --> 00:50:17,686
He was born naturally? What
difference does it make?'' they ask.
608
00:50:17,892 --> 00:50:21,020
ln fact, it makes a
huge difference.
609
00:50:21,328 --> 00:50:23,091
The idea is not the baby
surviving being born
610
00:50:23,297 --> 00:50:27,996
and the mother surviving childbirth.
Our goal is the quality involved.
611
00:50:28,202 --> 00:50:30,363
The idea is to have tenderness
during every aspect,
612
00:50:30,571 --> 00:50:33,438
in every moment of labor
and childbirth and during
613
00:50:33,641 --> 00:50:39,307
the baby's first hours of life.
We don't want survivors.
614
00:50:39,613 --> 00:50:43,743
We want well-received people,
and respect all the time.
615
00:50:43,951 --> 00:50:45,919
lt is more like handcraft,
you know?
616
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,281
You just don't take your wife
into something
617
00:50:48,489 --> 00:50:52,255
that's sort of delivery mass
production, in which your child
618
00:50:52,459 --> 00:50:55,223
is going to be born on a day
that's suitable in the agenda.
619
00:50:55,429 --> 00:50:56,726
They will give you an excuse,
he will be born,
620
00:50:56,931 --> 00:50:58,421
you will take him home
and you'll be happy.
621
00:50:59,767 --> 00:51:03,259
But the fact is that the child
who had the opportunity
622
00:51:03,604 --> 00:51:05,731
of a natural childbirth
will have benefits.
623
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:08,067
What l find very funny
in the whole process
624
00:51:08,275 --> 00:51:12,143
is the rationale behind of what
people think, even family:
625
00:51:12,346 --> 00:51:15,907
''but they were born well, healthy,
doctors fulfilled their roles
626
00:51:16,116 --> 00:51:20,450
bringing them healthy.''
And l replied:
627
00:51:20,654 --> 00:51:23,054
''No, it was l who brought
her healthy.'' l mean,
628
00:51:23,257 --> 00:51:26,420
l am very grateful for the doctors,
but l think the story could be
629
00:51:26,627 --> 00:51:32,088
much more beautiful, everything
could have been much richer
630
00:51:32,299 --> 00:51:36,395
for me as a woman,
for me as a mother, isn't it?
631
00:51:36,603 --> 00:51:40,061
So yeah, frustrating,
very frustrating.
632
00:51:42,810 --> 00:51:45,870
l still want to cry.
lt's not right!
633
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,479
What l've been through
doesn't feel right
634
00:51:47,681 --> 00:51:50,013
and other mothers had
the same experience.
635
00:51:50,217 --> 00:51:53,209
lt should've been a very beautiful,
a very different moment
636
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:55,650
from what it really was.
l feel sorrow,
637
00:51:55,856 --> 00:52:00,589
l'm angry and l'm even afraid of how
my next pregnancy is going to be.
638
00:52:12,206 --> 00:52:17,473
Right after Pedro was born,
l started studying, right?
639
00:52:17,678 --> 00:52:19,737
l should have studied before.
Then l started studying
640
00:52:19,947 --> 00:52:24,543
the history of childbirth and l said,
hey, so now l will give birth
641
00:52:24,752 --> 00:52:29,621
to Nina naturally. But the problem,
l mean, the doctors said
642
00:52:29,823 --> 00:52:34,726
that the C-section had been
very recent. l know that nowadays
643
00:52:34,928 --> 00:52:37,453
it is a common strategy,
let's put it this way:
644
00:52:37,664 --> 00:52:40,997
''once a C-section,
always a C-section.'' And l said:
645
00:52:41,201 --> 00:52:45,501
''l'm not going through my whole
life without giving birth naturally.
646
00:52:48,275 --> 00:52:51,108
l can't deprive myself
of having that experience!''
647
00:52:52,479 --> 00:52:56,245
And it was great, it was great,
it was this overwhelming experience,
648
00:52:56,450 --> 00:53:02,320
and then Nina came.
l was in labor for 1 2 hours,
649
00:53:03,023 --> 00:53:08,222
it was an amazing experience and l
felt l could leave this world happily,
650
00:53:08,429 --> 00:53:13,628
because l gave birth naturally.
l felt like l did it along with Nina.
651
00:53:13,834 --> 00:53:15,597
lt was our thing.
652
00:53:24,645 --> 00:53:27,671
LABOR AND DELlVERY
653
00:53:28,782 --> 00:53:32,115
First and foremost, going into
natural labor means that the baby
654
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:33,650
is ready to be born.
655
00:53:33,854 --> 00:53:38,291
But what exactly makes a baby
be born on the 4th or on the 28th
656
00:53:38,492 --> 00:53:43,327
or on the 1 0th? We don't know.
But when it happens at term,
657
00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:48,763
that's the best choice that
the baby herself made.
658
00:53:49,203 --> 00:53:52,195
That's where the importance
of labor lies.
659
00:53:52,606 --> 00:53:57,600
During labor, several
physiological changes occur,
660
00:53:57,811 --> 00:54:02,646
which provide the baby with better
adaptation as soon as she is born.
661
00:54:02,850 --> 00:54:07,344
Evidence shows that labor
triggers hormonal discharges
662
00:54:07,554 --> 00:54:13,322
which help the baby mature and
which send her messages telling her:
663
00:54:13,527 --> 00:54:17,486
''it's time to be born,
get your systems ready''.
664
00:54:18,499 --> 00:54:21,525
A child that is born after labor,
even by C-section,
665
00:54:21,735 --> 00:54:27,605
will be under better conditions than
those one who were taken out
666
00:54:27,808 --> 00:54:30,333
of the uterus during sleep.
They were there,
667
00:54:30,544 --> 00:54:32,910
sleeping like babies, literally,
inside the womb, and suddenly
668
00:54:33,113 --> 00:54:34,478
you pull them out and say:
''You're outside now.''
669
00:54:34,848 --> 00:54:38,375
So we are talking about
short-term benefits,
670
00:54:38,585 --> 00:54:42,919
but there are several other
long-term ones
671
00:54:43,123 --> 00:54:45,023
that will last during the
baby's entire life,
672
00:54:45,225 --> 00:54:47,693
when she is already an infant
and when she further develops.
673
00:54:47,895 --> 00:54:51,922
Labor plays a fundamental
role in birth.
674
00:54:52,166 --> 00:54:56,626
Regarding safety, which is obviously
a very important concern
675
00:54:56,837 --> 00:54:59,397
to the mother,
labor is much safer.
676
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,575
lt involves respecting physiological
birth conditions,
677
00:55:02,776 --> 00:55:07,440
in spite of other varieties,
such as: ''Be here tomorrow at 4,
678
00:55:07,648 --> 00:55:11,982
check in and your baby will
be born at 5.''
679
00:55:12,252 --> 00:55:13,617
However, we haven't agreed
with the baby.
680
00:55:25,365 --> 00:55:27,595
When l decided to be a mother,
l also decided what kind
681
00:55:27,801 --> 00:55:31,567
of birth l wanted. l wanted a
natural childbirth experience.
682
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:36,999
lt was not at all easy as it took
8 hours and the pain was intense.
683
00:55:37,511 --> 00:55:44,041
MOTHER AND BUSlNESSWOMAN
The way we conducted my labor
didn't make me think
684
00:55:44,251 --> 00:55:48,381
about giving up birth at all. We
used palliative pain management
685
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:50,921
during the process, such as
acupuncture, massage.
686
00:55:51,124 --> 00:55:55,288
l spent the whole labor along
with my doula and my husband only,
687
00:55:55,495 --> 00:55:58,157
which was fundamental.
We dimmed the lights,
688
00:55:58,365 --> 00:56:01,198
we listened to music, l managed
to concentrate myself
689
00:56:01,401 --> 00:56:05,201
on what l was doing. l had this
strong connection with my body.
690
00:56:06,206 --> 00:56:07,696
ln the end l found everything
was very beautiful.
691
00:56:07,908 --> 00:56:14,040
l think natural childbirth is
great poetry, it is very poetic
692
00:56:14,248 --> 00:56:20,084
when you allow your instinct and
your body to work on its behalf.
693
00:56:28,462 --> 00:56:33,661
When a woman experiences uterine
contractions and receives the
694
00:56:33,867 --> 00:56:37,598
''hormonal cocktail'', establishing
the bond with the newborn
695
00:56:37,804 --> 00:56:42,104
is much easier. Women recover
physically much faster
696
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:44,573
from a natural childbirth,
they bleed less,
697
00:56:44,778 --> 00:56:49,078
so anemia is unlikely,
and there is less risk of infection.
698
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:53,877
Even high-risk pregnancy,
in general,
699
00:56:54,021 --> 00:56:58,424
will benefit from normal birth.
700
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,025
When l pictured myself pregnant...
l have three girls.
701
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:06,495
l've always wanted to be a mother,
have always considered normal birth.
702
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,760
l had this instinct that this would be
better and much more pleasant
703
00:57:11,972 --> 00:57:15,032
and that it would complete me.
Before birth,
704
00:57:15,242 --> 00:57:19,008
OB-GYN
it was kind of a challenge too,
because l heard in the hospital
705
00:57:19,212 --> 00:57:24,775
l worked for that it had been 1 0 years
since a physician gave birth naturally.
706
00:57:24,985 --> 00:57:28,546
That was another bit
of a challenge for me:
707
00:57:28,755 --> 00:57:32,748
''So, now you are all going to see
a doctor giving birth''.
708
00:57:33,093 --> 00:57:35,926
Of course l felt very
powerful afterwards.
709
00:57:36,129 --> 00:57:42,557
That's very interesting because
today l am an OB-Gyn,
710
00:57:42,769 --> 00:57:47,934
so l'm a role model for my patients;
l lead by example, right?
711
00:57:48,141 --> 00:57:52,305
So it's like: Do as l say,
but l did it too.
712
00:57:52,512 --> 00:57:57,142
l really believe in
what l'm offering them.
713
00:57:59,086 --> 00:58:01,554
LABOR PAlN
714
00:58:02,489 --> 00:58:06,357
For us, women from western
Judeo-Christian civilization,
715
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,929
that biblical saying ''with pain
will you give birth to children'',
716
00:58:11,298 --> 00:58:13,698
there's a great impact.
lt is as if becoming a mother
717
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:15,367
were intrinsically connected
to suffering.
718
00:58:15,569 --> 00:58:21,098
And the media such as TV and the
movies contribute to enhance this idea,
719
00:58:21,308 --> 00:58:25,142
showing women in labor groaning
and writhing in pain.
720
00:58:26,046 --> 00:58:29,140
Of course most women will really
experience pain during labor,
721
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:33,843
but testimonies reveal that most
of the complaints are about
722
00:58:34,054 --> 00:58:39,822
the emotional abuse they've suffered
and about unnecessary interventions,
723
00:58:40,026 --> 00:58:41,391
not about childbirth itself.
724
00:58:45,632 --> 00:58:48,157
Childbirth is like
mountain climbing.
725
00:58:48,802 --> 00:58:50,827
You have to carry a backpack.
726
00:58:51,037 --> 00:58:53,835
Prenatal care is packing;
it is the preparation
727
00:58:53,974 --> 00:58:58,206
of what you should be
taking with you.
728
00:58:58,412 --> 00:58:59,970
lt's the assurance of a low risk
pregnancy and that everything is fine.
729
00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:03,013
Probably, when you reach half the
way, almost at the end of the hiking,
730
00:59:03,216 --> 00:59:05,116
you will get cramps and think you
can not take it any longer
731
00:59:05,318 --> 00:59:08,947
and that you'll have to stop.
Then you stop, breathe and think:
732
00:59:09,156 --> 00:59:12,956
''Wait a minute! lf l was able to get
to this point, l can go further.''
733
00:59:13,293 --> 00:59:18,492
That's the beauty of it! lt's the
possibility of transcending limits,
734
00:59:18,698 --> 00:59:21,496
no matter what they are:
tiredness, pain, sleepiness,
735
00:59:21,701 --> 00:59:24,101
hunger, it's the willingness
to solve it all.
736
00:59:24,304 --> 00:59:27,432
So you connect with your
inner self and say:
737
00:59:27,641 --> 00:59:30,109
''No, come on, l can handle it!''
Then you go ahead.
738
00:59:30,310 --> 00:59:34,679
And when you get to the top of
the mountain and see the view,
739
00:59:34,881 --> 00:59:37,042
you'll understand that it is totally
different from getting there
740
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:40,151
by helicopter.
You did it yourself.
741
01:00:05,412 --> 01:00:10,111
Pain and suffering are not
related at all.
742
01:00:10,317 --> 01:00:11,944
This is something very important.
743
01:00:12,152 --> 01:00:15,519
The possible painful uterine
contraction during labor
744
01:00:15,722 --> 01:00:17,314
lasts one minute.
After one minute,
745
01:00:17,524 --> 01:00:21,961
you'll have 3 minutes, 4 minutes,
5 minutes of total relaxation.
746
01:00:22,162 --> 01:00:24,562
There are women that fall
asleep between contractions.
747
01:00:33,707 --> 01:00:36,437
Birth is not only a physiological
act that begins
748
01:00:36,643 --> 01:00:38,611
with the uterine contractions
and ends with the baby
749
01:00:38,812 --> 01:00:40,871
and the placenta being born.
After all,
750
01:00:41,081 --> 01:00:45,484
birth is a true rite of passage
not only for the mother,
751
01:00:45,685 --> 01:00:47,710
but also for the entire family
and for the baby,
752
01:00:47,921 --> 01:00:49,855
who has an active role
in this experience,
753
01:00:50,056 --> 01:00:51,284
and comes out stronger from it.
754
01:00:51,491 --> 01:00:54,551
People think that childbearing
is exclusively a body experience.
755
01:00:54,761 --> 01:00:58,322
A process of a baby descending
through the birth canal
756
01:00:58,532 --> 01:01:00,363
and coming out.
Just the physical aspect.
757
01:01:00,567 --> 01:01:02,762
But l've spent many years
attending births
758
01:01:02,969 --> 01:01:08,305
and l see that birth is her soul
expressing itself through her body.
759
01:01:08,608 --> 01:01:11,372
Given the right conditions,
birth can be
760
01:01:11,578 --> 01:01:15,207
the most transcendental moment in
the life of a woman and her family,
761
01:01:15,482 --> 01:01:19,384
from all points of view: physical,
emotional, spiritual, sexual...
762
01:01:49,015 --> 01:01:53,543
lf l could give birth, l would.
Why would a mother give up
763
01:01:53,753 --> 01:01:59,385
on her so special and magical
moment and be sedated?
764
01:02:00,293 --> 01:02:03,456
There is a complete lack
of common sense in the world,
765
01:02:03,663 --> 01:02:06,223
as if the people were going to
consume, consume, consume.
766
01:02:06,833 --> 01:02:09,631
lt is such nonsense that
we use drugs,
767
01:02:09,903 --> 01:02:14,897
we go to amusement parks to feel
some intensity, isn't it?
768
01:02:15,108 --> 01:02:18,908
Or when we go through
a tragic moment
769
01:02:19,112 --> 01:02:23,674
we can feel life is strong.
770
01:02:24,351 --> 01:02:29,448
But it is about a moment in
our lives that is not tragic,
771
01:02:29,656 --> 01:02:32,523
it's a gift.
772
01:02:36,363 --> 01:02:40,993
We celebrate weddings
that won't last a year,
773
01:02:41,201 --> 01:02:45,297
we sometimes spend a fortune
and take years to prepare ourselves
774
01:02:45,505 --> 01:02:51,171
for some artificial and so
meaningless events!
775
01:02:51,378 --> 01:02:57,544
And labor and birth alone naturally
provide us a situation
776
01:02:57,751 --> 01:03:01,243
that empowers,
777
01:03:01,454 --> 01:03:06,983
fortifies, feeds us, shapes us.
778
01:03:07,193 --> 01:03:11,129
So when l see that we have 52�/�
of C-sections in Brazil,
779
01:03:11,331 --> 01:03:14,323
l look and l say: ''We have
been losing opportunities.''
780
01:03:15,368 --> 01:03:18,132
HUMANlZED LABOR AND DELlVERY
781
01:04:48,928 --> 01:04:52,420
Doulas are birth attendants,
but they are trained ones.
782
01:04:52,632 --> 01:04:55,601
They don't perform medical
nor midwifery procedures,
783
01:04:55,802 --> 01:05:02,071
they don't replace the partner,
they have another kind of look.
784
01:05:02,275 --> 01:05:05,108
They have a professional look
over childbirth,
785
01:05:05,311 --> 01:05:08,872
even without performing procedures.
During prenatal care,
786
01:05:09,082 --> 01:05:12,381
they help women make
their birth plan, they inform
787
01:05:12,585 --> 01:05:15,918
and show sources of good
evidence-based information
788
01:05:16,122 --> 01:05:18,818
so that these women may research
and write their own birth plan.
789
01:05:51,925 --> 01:05:56,589
When we don't separate mother
and baby and let them look
790
01:05:56,796 --> 01:06:00,061
into each other's eyes... lt is
the most powerful antidote
791
01:06:00,266 --> 01:06:03,963
against any kind of baby blues
or postpartum depression.
792
01:06:05,038 --> 01:06:08,474
Why do we separate a baby
from her mother at birth?
793
01:06:11,711 --> 01:06:15,511
The baby came from inside the
mother's body, under 95 or 96 �F,
794
01:06:15,715 --> 01:06:18,582
and she shouldn't be received
at 64,4 �F or 68 �F,
795
01:06:18,785 --> 01:06:21,845
the temperature inside an OR.
796
01:06:22,388 --> 01:06:26,256
The baby should be received in
a warm and dark environment,
797
01:06:26,459 --> 01:06:30,987
with the least possible sensory
stimuli. Stimuli attack the baby.
798
01:06:31,197 --> 01:06:34,189
And l can check everything l need,
for instance,
799
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,267
check Apgar score when she is
still in mother's arms.
800
01:06:39,138 --> 01:06:44,132
l don't need to give her a bath,
l don't need to remove vernix,
801
01:06:44,344 --> 01:06:46,710
which is very important
for her protection.
802
01:06:46,913 --> 01:06:51,714
That is true also for a birth scenario
when the baby is not fully adapted,
803
01:06:51,918 --> 01:06:55,081
because she is premature or
when there are breathing problems.
804
01:06:55,288 --> 01:06:58,985
The more l delay chord clamping
and separate her from her mother,
805
01:06:59,192 --> 01:07:01,387
the better.
806
01:07:03,696 --> 01:07:05,926
That's a major challenge for us all.
807
01:07:07,066 --> 01:07:07,100
We will only truly humanize
childbirth if we return
808
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:11,059
We will only truly humanize
childbirth if we return
809
01:07:11,271 --> 01:07:16,106
to women full over their
destiny and birth.
810
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:21,103
The three fundamental pillars of birth
humanization therefore are:
811
01:07:21,314 --> 01:07:24,715
firstly, handing protagonism
back to women,
812
01:07:24,918 --> 01:07:28,081
which is fundamental;
secondly, provide a broader,
813
01:07:28,288 --> 01:07:30,688
integrative view of the phenomenon,
not merely from
814
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:32,949
a mechanical and physiological
point-of-view
815
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:38,256
but also including psychological,
affective, emotional, spiritual,
816
01:07:38,464 --> 01:07:42,059
cultural and in context with
where the birth is to take place.
817
01:07:42,268 --> 01:07:47,763
And last but not least, a profound
bond with evidence-based medicine.
818
01:07:48,541 --> 01:07:51,567
Everything that is nowadays said
about humanizing childbirth
819
01:07:51,778 --> 01:07:57,978
is based on the most modern research
on labor and childbirth procedures.
820
01:09:46,092 --> 01:09:52,520
ln Brazil, most births, around 90�/�,
are attended by doctors.
821
01:09:53,099 --> 01:09:59,527
There is evidence that births can be
attended by other professionals.
822
01:10:00,273 --> 01:10:04,141
This is the standard model of care
in many other countries.
823
01:10:49,689 --> 01:10:52,487
The World Health Organization
considers the following
824
01:10:52,692 --> 01:10:57,186
as licensed professionals
to attend births: OB/GYNs,
825
01:10:57,797 --> 01:11:04,464
family doctors, nurse-midwives and
certified professional midwives.
826
01:11:04,871 --> 01:11:08,671
Those attending births in hospitals
who are called ''parteiras'', they are
827
01:11:08,875 --> 01:11:11,639
in fact, nurse-midwives or certified
professional midwives (CPMs).
828
01:11:11,844 --> 01:11:14,836
The latter are new to the
Brazilian market.
829
01:11:15,047 --> 01:11:19,040
This model that we have
in Brazil to certify the CPMs,
830
01:11:19,252 --> 01:11:21,186
it is based on an
international model.
831
01:11:21,387 --> 01:11:24,185
lt is based on the risk assessment
throughout pregnancy.
832
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:27,951
Every prenatal appointment we
assess anything
833
01:11:28,161 --> 01:11:31,688
that can be considered
out of the ordinary.
834
01:11:32,365 --> 01:11:36,426
lf she has anything abnormal
show up at any moment,
835
01:11:36,702 --> 01:11:42,572
l must have her referred
836
01:11:42,775 --> 01:11:46,438
so she can have more
specialized healthcare.
837
01:11:46,646 --> 01:11:51,106
As long as she remains low-risk,
l can continue her care.
838
01:11:59,792 --> 01:12:01,919
What is the evidence available?
839
01:12:02,128 --> 01:12:05,791
There is also this systematic
review published in 2008
840
01:12:06,032 --> 01:12:10,901
which shows that midwife-led
models of care
841
01:12:11,103 --> 01:12:14,504
have several advantages
842
01:12:14,707 --> 01:12:19,007
over the traditional
medical-led models
843
01:12:19,212 --> 01:12:21,806
for low-risk mothers.
844
01:12:22,615 --> 01:12:26,642
We dream of being able
to comprehend this
845
01:12:26,852 --> 01:12:29,412
and especially understand that
in the Brazilian scene,
846
01:12:29,622 --> 01:12:31,920
we have room for everybody.
847
01:12:32,225 --> 01:12:37,492
What we don't have room is for
a completely medicalized birth,
848
01:12:37,697 --> 01:12:40,131
that doesn't treat the mother
as an individual
849
01:12:40,333 --> 01:12:43,564
and only involves protocols,
as if protocols
850
01:12:43,769 --> 01:12:49,002
could handle peculiar situations,
so delicate and unique
851
01:12:49,208 --> 01:12:50,971
as the birth process.
852
01:13:02,054 --> 01:13:08,391
Nowadays, most births happen
in hospitals and we know that
853
01:13:08,594 --> 01:13:14,328
for a low risk birth, the hospital
environment is not conducive
854
01:13:14,533 --> 01:13:19,232
to having the mother
feel competent
855
01:13:19,438 --> 01:13:22,407
and feeling capable
at that moment.
856
01:13:23,409 --> 01:13:25,536
lt's not just about having
a vaginal childbirth.
857
01:13:25,745 --> 01:13:28,578
l have assisted so many deliveries
where women gave birth
858
01:13:28,781 --> 01:13:34,549
in extraordinary ways. lf she
needs to walk like a beast,
859
01:13:34,754 --> 01:13:38,053
around a tree like this,
to enter this birth energy,
860
01:13:38,257 --> 01:13:41,693
she must do it, she must be given
the possibility.
861
01:13:41,894 --> 01:13:47,332
lf she needs 3 days to give birth,
my God, she must have those 3 days.
862
01:13:52,104 --> 01:13:54,698
And the most adequate place
for a woman to give birth,
863
01:13:54,907 --> 01:13:56,807
according to the
World Health Organization,
864
01:13:57,009 --> 01:13:59,273
is a place where she feels safe.
865
01:13:59,478 --> 01:14:02,709
Some women will feel safer
in the warmth of their homes.
866
01:14:03,015 --> 01:14:06,280
Others will prefer to have
their babies in birth centers,
867
01:14:06,485 --> 01:14:09,579
in their neighborhoods,
nearby people they know.
868
01:14:09,889 --> 01:14:13,256
Some other women will choose
to give birth in hospitals
869
01:14:13,459 --> 01:14:15,984
because there is where they feel
safest, closer to technology.
870
01:14:16,195 --> 01:14:19,562
The health system should offer
all these alternatives to women,
871
01:14:19,765 --> 01:14:23,701
so that they can adapt themselves
to what they feel is best.
872
01:14:45,991 --> 01:14:50,553
When l got pregnant with Felipe,
l said, hey, l had a C-section,
873
01:14:50,763 --> 01:14:54,255
a hospital birth,
now this is what l need;
874
01:14:54,467 --> 01:14:56,094
l am going to birth Felipe
at home.
875
01:14:56,902 --> 01:15:00,497
And then it was like this,
widespread concern.
876
01:15:01,307 --> 01:15:04,435
But after seeing and understanding
and studying,
877
01:15:04,643 --> 01:15:06,736
especially because l only agreed
to it after having understood
878
01:15:06,946 --> 01:15:11,315
and after having had access
to literature, not the literature
879
01:15:11,517 --> 01:15:14,918
that there is nowadays,
the kind of literature that we buy,
880
01:15:15,121 --> 01:15:16,986
imposed on you and written
to speak evil about it.
881
01:15:18,023 --> 01:15:21,117
lt was so cool.
We stayed in bed,
882
01:15:21,327 --> 01:15:26,697
in our room, watching movies,
massaging, such a great energy.
883
01:15:27,099 --> 01:15:29,329
Then we took a walk around here
in the living room
884
01:15:29,535 --> 01:15:31,366
because the pains were coming,
it is something
885
01:15:31,570 --> 01:15:33,663
that you have to go through
but l don't regret it,
886
01:15:33,873 --> 01:15:36,239
l would do it all over again!
And it happened at night,
887
01:15:36,442 --> 01:15:38,569
the house was in silence,
it was good,
888
01:15:38,778 --> 01:15:43,408
we were in peace and then finally
Felipinho decided to come out.
889
01:15:43,949 --> 01:15:47,248
And l could realize that it was
much simpler than anything else.
890
01:15:47,453 --> 01:15:50,354
As simple as that, my son
was born in my hands,
891
01:15:50,589 --> 01:15:54,855
the water didn't break, he was
born in the caul, right, l opened it.
892
01:15:55,561 --> 01:15:58,223
Oh, it was so...
893
01:16:00,933 --> 01:16:02,798
it even makes me want to have
another one, you know?
894
01:16:04,270 --> 01:16:07,706
lt was such a beautiful experience
and the coolest part of all
895
01:16:07,907 --> 01:16:10,239
was that Felipinho came
directly to my chest,
896
01:16:10,443 --> 01:16:12,604
and remained there nursing
for two hours.
897
01:16:13,979 --> 01:16:15,241
And in the morning my kids
got there and
898
01:16:15,448 --> 01:16:17,313
''Can we visit Felipe?
ls Felipe already there?''
899
01:16:17,516 --> 01:16:21,145
And they entered our room,
and the kid was on our bed.
900
01:16:22,555 --> 01:16:24,022
lt was incredible!
And l remember
901
01:16:24,223 --> 01:16:25,588
when l was in the maternity hospital
walking back and forth
902
01:16:25,791 --> 01:16:27,019
without having any access,
or when l did,
903
01:16:27,226 --> 01:16:28,887
l could only see... whatever!
904
01:16:29,862 --> 01:16:34,060
Nothing compares to the emotion
of you being able
905
01:16:34,266 --> 01:16:40,501
to live this moment as it should be,
with touch, with her,
906
01:16:40,706 --> 01:16:47,373
with her warmth, with her voice,
with all the suffering that comes,
907
01:16:47,580 --> 01:16:50,515
because it is not easy for the woman
to really go through that
908
01:16:50,716 --> 01:16:52,741
without anesthesia,
but what Andrea earned
909
01:16:52,952 --> 01:16:54,544
after having gone through that,
just as everyone
910
01:16:54,753 --> 01:16:59,850
l believe goes through such
a moment, earns a lot.
911
01:17:01,393 --> 01:17:06,194
l felt very capable,
l felt strong, you know?
912
01:17:06,398 --> 01:17:12,769
A lioness, a mother who did
her best for her son.
913
01:17:56,001 --> 01:17:59,698
Planned homebirths
exist worldwide.
914
01:17:59,905 --> 01:18:02,169
We have it in Holland,
we have it in England, in Japan,
915
01:18:02,374 --> 01:18:07,004
Canada, Australia, New Zealand,
there are different homebirth models.
916
01:18:25,164 --> 01:18:30,033
ln Brazil, there are two homebirth
models that coexist in different ways.
917
01:18:30,235 --> 01:18:33,068
One of them is the traditional
midwife model
918
01:18:33,272 --> 01:18:36,207
in North and Northeast Brazil,
which exists in great quantity.
919
01:18:36,708 --> 01:18:40,200
Very often, that woman doesn't
have access to health care services,
920
01:18:40,412 --> 01:18:43,711
which is a paradox:
sometimes they need a C-section
921
01:18:43,916 --> 01:18:45,611
and they don't have access to
it because it might take two days
922
01:18:45,818 --> 01:18:47,183
to get there by boat.
923
01:18:47,386 --> 01:18:49,946
l started catching babies
in the rural area.
924
01:18:50,155 --> 01:18:52,623
There were times l would even
go by donkey or horse.
925
01:18:52,825 --> 01:18:55,350
TRADlTlONAL MlDWlFE
Women would call me and
l would go.
926
01:18:55,727 --> 01:18:59,322
l delivered my sisters too,
helped my mother.
927
01:18:59,665 --> 01:19:03,101
When the TBA arrived, l was catching
my sister and then l started.
928
01:19:03,302 --> 01:19:05,037
l already delivered in a carriage,
on the ground,
929
01:19:05,037 --> 01:19:08,700
l already delivered in a carriage,
on the ground,
930
01:19:08,907 --> 01:19:12,968
in the bush, under a tree,
on a banana leaf.
931
01:19:13,212 --> 01:19:17,808
There was a hospital,
but their conditions were harsh
932
01:19:18,016 --> 01:19:21,042
to get to the hospital.
Because for us,
933
01:19:21,253 --> 01:19:24,086
who live in rural areas,
we don't have a car,
934
01:19:24,289 --> 01:19:28,851
there's no way to get to the hospital,
so they preferred to call the TBA
935
01:19:29,061 --> 01:19:31,495
to have their babies at home.
936
01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:35,329
PLANNED HOME BlRTH
937
01:19:35,968 --> 01:19:39,062
And there is another movement,
which is growing a lot,
938
01:19:39,271 --> 01:19:41,739
which is homebirth in
urban centers.
939
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:46,343
Homebirth can be assisted by a
nurse-midwife or a certified midwife,
940
01:19:46,545 --> 01:19:50,072
or in some cases, even by doctors
who work according to this model.
941
01:19:50,282 --> 01:19:52,682
Homebirth is for a low-risk woman,
a woman who didn't have
942
01:19:52,885 --> 01:19:56,548
any complication during pregnancy.
We go well-equipped,
943
01:19:56,755 --> 01:20:01,692
with a set of materials for attending
a birth in normal conditions
944
01:20:01,894 --> 01:20:07,491
such as gloves, gauze, things that
we are going to need to assist;
945
01:20:07,699 --> 01:20:10,725
and also for more
complex situations.
946
01:20:10,936 --> 01:20:13,837
So if l need to give stitches,
l have stitching thread,
947
01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:15,563
l can apply local anesthesia,
948
01:20:15,807 --> 01:20:19,334
l can use some kind of medication
for hemorrhage,
949
01:20:19,545 --> 01:20:21,103
l have things at my disposal.
950
01:20:21,313 --> 01:20:24,373
l have oxygen if the baby needs it,
all neonatal material for resuscitation.
951
01:20:24,583 --> 01:20:28,781
l have a trunk full of things to give
assistance to the woman.
952
01:20:30,355 --> 01:20:34,724
What we have today at our disposal,
for us to understand homebirths,
953
01:20:34,927 --> 01:20:39,091
are retrospective studies,
in which we study a group of women
954
01:20:39,298 --> 01:20:41,596
who have already gave birth
at home or in a hospital;
955
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,462
and prospective studies,
in which we study a group of women
956
01:20:44,670 --> 01:20:46,433
that will have a baby at home
or in a hospital,
957
01:20:46,638 --> 01:20:48,367
and then compare results.
And there so many studies
958
01:20:48,574 --> 01:20:50,872
conducted abroad with
a huge number of women,
959
01:20:51,076 --> 01:20:54,773
which tells that homebirth is pretty
safe, as safe as a hospital birth.
960
01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:59,314
A Dutch study published in 2009
with more than 500 thousand
961
01:20:59,518 --> 01:21:03,477
childbirths demonstrates the
safety of planned home birth,
962
01:21:03,956 --> 01:21:09,826
in terms of perinatal outcomes
very similar to those
963
01:21:10,028 --> 01:21:14,863
in low-risk planned
hospital birth and
964
01:21:15,067 --> 01:21:18,935
with much reduced number
of medical interventions.
965
01:21:19,605 --> 01:21:20,833
ln a domestic environment,
for instance,
966
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:25,305
there are all bacteria from that
environment which are favorable
967
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:27,410
to mothers.
They are mother's friends.
968
01:21:27,613 --> 01:21:31,049
One would never have an infection
in a domestic environment
969
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:34,048
as one would in a hospital.
970
01:21:34,419 --> 01:21:39,083
ln health care scenario,
there is the possibility
971
01:21:39,291 --> 01:21:44,319
of anticipating any event in
the point of view of prevention.
972
01:21:44,529 --> 01:21:48,863
Trained care providers,
such as the midwife,
973
01:21:49,067 --> 01:21:53,800
nurse-midwife or even a doctor,
974
01:21:53,972 --> 01:21:57,703
are able to gather information
975
01:21:57,909 --> 01:22:02,903
and decide whether it can be
a homebirth or not.
976
01:22:03,582 --> 01:22:07,450
What in fact makes difference
is prenatal care to identify risks
977
01:22:07,653 --> 01:22:11,555
because risks also exist
inside the hospital.
978
01:22:12,724 --> 01:22:14,214
When we think in terms
of home birth,
979
01:22:14,426 --> 01:22:16,360
it is not that the baby will have
to be born at home
980
01:22:16,561 --> 01:22:18,392
because she planned it that way.
981
01:22:18,597 --> 01:22:21,464
The woman in labor stays
at home as long as everything
982
01:22:21,667 --> 01:22:24,158
is going according to plan and
everything is absolutely normal.
983
01:22:24,369 --> 01:22:28,601
lf we suspect that maybe there's
something not normal,
984
01:22:28,807 --> 01:22:31,298
we head to the hospital and the
birth will end at the hospital.
985
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:34,274
And most of them still end up
being a normal birth,
986
01:22:34,746 --> 01:22:37,772
but with some intervention that
we cannot perform at home,
987
01:22:37,983 --> 01:22:40,884
because each intervention
adds risk to childbirth.
988
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:44,680
Every woman will feel safer in
a different environment
989
01:22:44,890 --> 01:22:48,826
and many times the place
she will feel safer is a hospital.
990
01:22:49,127 --> 01:22:51,960
Therefore we know that homebirth
is maybe for a small share
991
01:22:52,164 --> 01:22:56,863
of the population. Our minds
still work very attached
992
01:22:57,069 --> 01:23:00,937
to the hospital model of care.
l think that most important
993
01:23:01,139 --> 01:23:07,339
that all women can choose to have
a homebirth is that they understand:
994
01:23:07,546 --> 01:23:11,573
''Wait a minute! lt can happen at home,
it's not that complicated after all.''
995
01:23:29,234 --> 01:23:32,169
SOLUTlONS
996
01:23:33,071 --> 01:23:37,269
There is a set of initiatives that
can improve the scenario.
997
01:23:37,642 --> 01:23:41,237
Everything that happens in the
capitalist world is determined
998
01:23:41,446 --> 01:23:44,313
by consumer demand.
This nice childbirth
999
01:23:44,516 --> 01:23:47,144
is also going to happen due
to women demand.
1000
01:23:47,352 --> 01:23:50,344
We have to improve the quality
of information for women
1001
01:23:50,555 --> 01:23:52,887
using simple language,
in simple leaflets,
1002
01:23:53,091 --> 01:23:54,786
so that they arrive at the
hospital and say:
1003
01:23:54,993 --> 01:23:58,190
''Don't cut me, don't cut me
because l know what l'm losing.
1004
01:23:58,964 --> 01:24:01,125
l don't want to be cut,
l don't want to be hooked up
1005
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:03,494
to an l.V.,
l don't want Pitocin.
1006
01:24:03,735 --> 01:24:06,397
Let's teach everything about
childbirth to those who are
1007
01:24:06,605 --> 01:24:09,597
1 4, 1 5, 1 3 years old, the same
way they study Geography,
1008
01:24:09,808 --> 01:24:14,438
History, Grammar, Childbirth! That
is way more than sexual education,
1009
01:24:14,646 --> 01:24:18,980
that is education for life! Why?
Because then when the time
1010
01:24:19,184 --> 01:24:21,448
comes to be pregnant,
to give birth,
1011
01:24:21,653 --> 01:24:26,181
there's already a very rich theoretical
foundation that is part of that woman.
1012
01:24:27,058 --> 01:24:31,654
lf you only offer her a bad option
for birth, full of interventions,
1013
01:24:31,863 --> 01:24:34,593
violent, lying on her back,
with her legs spread apart,
1014
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,031
or a scheduled C-section,
she has no option,
1015
01:24:38,236 --> 01:24:41,933
she has no choice.
Yet, if she can choose everything
1016
01:24:42,140 --> 01:24:45,667
concerning her birth,
the birth of her son,
1017
01:24:45,877 --> 01:24:48,107
then you have a wide range
of options.
1018
01:24:48,313 --> 01:24:51,976
lf she is aware of her decisions,
she will have a good birth,
1019
01:24:52,184 --> 01:24:54,516
regardless of her choices,
she will have a good birth.
1020
01:24:55,353 --> 01:25:01,690
Practioners must recognize that
they have an ethical commitment
1021
01:25:01,893 --> 01:25:07,092
to doing good, and should
abandon what is harmful
1022
01:25:07,299 --> 01:25:09,096
and ineffective.
1023
01:25:09,601 --> 01:25:16,268
Health system managers must have
the courage to take measures
1024
01:25:16,475 --> 01:25:21,208
that are unpopular with
health professionals
1025
01:25:21,413 --> 01:25:26,544
and take control of
C-section indications.
1026
01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:31,016
As long as childbirth care
is controlled by doctors,
1027
01:25:31,223 --> 01:25:35,353
it will be very hard for us to
reduce the C-section rate;
1028
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,859
the insertion of new
players is urgent.
1029
01:25:53,478 --> 01:25:56,174
Playing with nature,
in the way we have been with
1030
01:25:56,381 --> 01:26:00,215
too frequent interventions generates
much more morbidity
1031
01:26:00,418 --> 01:26:03,683
than solutions to problems.
We know what we are doing today
1032
01:26:03,889 --> 01:26:07,017
with the human birth is in many
instances an aggression
1033
01:26:07,225 --> 01:26:12,424
to the building process of the human
birth, more than 7 million years old,
1034
01:26:12,631 --> 01:26:16,067
and can put our own survival
on this planet at risk.
1035
01:26:16,334 --> 01:26:19,531
When there isn't any woman
giving birth vaginally,
1036
01:26:19,738 --> 01:26:22,764
due to our society's absolute
incompetence in dealing
1037
01:26:22,974 --> 01:26:25,306
with this phenomenon,
it may be too late.
1038
01:26:25,810 --> 01:26:29,541
We've had earlier experience
of weakening, collapsing societies
1039
01:26:29,748 --> 01:26:33,684
that did not know how to deal with
the ecological challenges
1040
01:26:33,885 --> 01:26:34,977
they were submitted to.
1041
01:26:35,186 --> 01:26:38,815
l hope society is not going towards
a path of no-return.
1042
01:27:04,115 --> 01:27:08,882
What will it be of our love
hormone production system
1043
01:27:09,087 --> 01:27:11,954
if it stops being used
and starts being useless?
1044
01:27:12,157 --> 01:27:16,787
What does that mean
in terms of civilization?
1045
01:27:40,986 --> 01:27:43,420
l made up my mind:
''my next daughter will be born
1046
01:27:43,622 --> 01:27:48,650
the most natural way possible.''
''That would not happen again.''
1047
01:27:49,761 --> 01:27:54,061
l sought for information.
l found a wonderful doctor,
1048
01:27:54,265 --> 01:27:58,395
an amazing doula and my family who,
in spite of not accepting my idea,
1049
01:27:58,603 --> 01:28:04,838
respected me. And the birth
was marvelous, peaceful, at home,
1050
01:28:05,043 --> 01:28:10,504
in the dawn. Rafaela was
born in the shower, this shower.
1051
01:28:10,982 --> 01:28:16,614
Birds were singing...
She was born
1052
01:28:16,821 --> 01:28:20,655
and came straight to where
she should be: my breast...
1053
01:28:21,226 --> 01:28:25,128
and she didn't leave until she fell
asleep and went to her father's arms.
1054
01:28:27,666 --> 01:28:33,002
l have never had such a feeling
in my whole life!
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