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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,160 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:15,640 (Field Hollar) 2 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:21,440 >> Field Hollar: When I make my 50 cent lord I carry it home to Rosie. 3 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Come on here old mule. Whoo hoo hoo hoo hoo lordy lord 4 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,680 >> President Barack Obama: This is music with humble beginnings. Roots in slavery 5 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:43,800 and segregation. A society that rarely treated black Americans with the dignity and respect 6 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:50,480 that they deserve. The Blues bore witness to these hard times, and like so many of the 7 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:56,840 men and women who sang them, the Blues refused to be limited by the circumstances 8 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,040 of their birth. 9 00:01:03,180 --> 00:01:08,020 >> Big George Brock: I can be sick, and I'll hit the bandstand and I don't feel no pain. 10 00:01:08,540 --> 00:01:14,780 I don't feel no pain until after I get through playin. And then when I get through playing, 11 00:01:14,780 --> 00:01:16,260 I'll start back to hurting. 12 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,460 >> Leo Bud Welch: Sometimes I be sittin around feelin sad. I start hummin on an old Blues song 13 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:26,580 and it looked like life just popped up back in me. 14 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,880 That's what the Blues do for me. I don't know what they do for anybody else. 15 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:45,320 >> Big George Brock: Well I'm You're Hoochie Coochie Man. Now Everybody knows I'm here. 16 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,360 >> Big George Brock: The Blues comes from the way that the black people were treated in the South. 17 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,360 You had no other choice but to sing the Blues. You didn't know. You didn't know 18 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,720 nothing else to sing that the white folks didn't understand. 19 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,080 >> Field Hollar: Old Alabama join us... 20 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:15,400 (Field Hollar) 21 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,160 >> Leo Bud Welch: I'd be sitting on the porch playing the acoustic guitar, and he tell my daddy say, 22 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:27,440 'You better stop that boy from playin that guitar and, and put him in the field cuz grass gonna 23 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,760 take your cotton and your corn'. I wouldn't care if it did cuz we wasn't getting nothing out of it no way. 24 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,880 And he'd come by, and I'd be setting there 25 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,120 Baby Please Don't Go. Baby Please Don't Go 26 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,760 He'd look at me. He'd go and tell me dad "Crumb you get that boy in the field. 27 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,200 Sitting there playing that old guitar on the porch. 28 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,160 He need to be at work. 29 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,800 And when I worked, I had worked for Fifty Cents a day. 30 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,790 Fifty little old cents. 31 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:04,760 >> Janice Monti: The Blues has been disrespected in the pantheon of American Cultural products 32 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:10,920 and that is a great travesty but it is also understandable because you cannot understand 33 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:13,760 the Blues unless you understand race in America. 34 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,760 And we don't like to talk about Race in America. 35 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:24,320 That's the last taboo. If we are going to understand the Blues we have to understand 36 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,400 what created the Blues and we still do not want to confront that. 37 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:35,840 >> Houston Baker: The urban legend now is that we are in a post racial post black society, 38 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,960 and that's signified by the election of Barrack Obama. 39 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,560 There's a lot of trouble with this notion of post raciality, color bllindness. 40 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,320 The kind of soothing stories that I think people, black and white, tell themselves, 41 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:58,640 in order to avoid the blunt, brute, finally inescapable confrontation 42 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:09,440 with the horrors of this country that have proceeded under the auspicies of racialization, racism, 43 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:17,960 ruthless brutality against millions of people from as far back as we can trace things. 44 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,920 >> Harry Weber: I really think I have a clearer view of what it was like to witness segregation 45 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:29,000 now than when I actually witnessed it. And one of the things I realized is that I didn't 46 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,560 witness segregation. Segregation was in fact a Fact and consequently I didn't have any contact 47 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:41,280 with people were in fact not playing guitars. And now, I have a full appreciation 48 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:43,330 of how bad it was then. 49 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,750 >> Bill Lucke This railroad track right here separated Black Clarksdale from White 50 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:54,000 Clarksdale. We're right on the track right here with Ground Zero Blues Club. And, 51 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:02,000 When I was a child, this city was totally segregated. It was rare that anybody really ventured across 52 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,840 to live or even to shop. Some did to work but that was sort of the extent of it. 53 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:14,400 >> Theo Dasbach: When the Black people were working here on the fields in the 30's and the 40's 54 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,560 Then of course it got mechanized . And When it got mechanized, you got tractors and 55 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,400 cotton picking machines and stuff. You still see them now. 56 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,520 And that means the jobs were suddenly gone. 57 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,440 >> Jimbo Mathus: What do you see when you drive in the Delta? Cotton. 58 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,560 How many people does it take to make cotton man? Just a handful. 59 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,840 They've got the big machines to do it now. 60 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:39,760 All the people that were brought there to deal with the cotton, are just sitting up there with nothing to do man. 61 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,520 >> Jim O'Neal: It didn't happen right away. Some people think that when the mechanical 62 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,080 cotton was introduced to the Hopson Plantation near Clarksdale and then everybody moved away 63 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,400 because they didn't have jobs, but it took a decade or more for that process to really happen but 64 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,360 gradually the need for workers became less and there were no jobs for the 65 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,360 people who had been working the fields. And at the same time there were jobs in Chicago, 66 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,400 particularly during World War II. 67 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:11,560 >> David Dee: We were sharecropping, and when I got about 11 years old, we get a settlement 68 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:18,920 and we come out owing some money. What my mom did, she went and talked to the boss 69 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,840 about borrowing some money to get us some Christmas clothes. 70 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:26,600 See at Christmas time, that's around harvest time. 71 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:34,669 But, instead of we get clothes, we headed to Saint Louis. Left the mule and the wagon 72 00:06:34,669 --> 00:06:40,030 on the side of the street and we got on the bus. And we caught the bus to Saint Louis 73 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,560 >> Theo Dasbach: They migrated to, Where are the jobs? So many many people from the Delta 74 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:51,560 moved to Chicago and Detroit. John Lee Hooker is an example who went to Detroit from here. 75 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,460 >> Jim O'Neal: Chicago was the Promised land where you could escape some of the southern racism 76 00:06:55,460 --> 00:06:57,260 and have a better life. 77 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:02,760 Drew a lot of people away from the South, to Chicago and Saint Louis and Detroit. 78 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,080 >> Big George Brock: I left Mississippi for better opportunity. 79 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:11,120 I used to play the Blues where the Black people had to get over behind the wall. 80 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,240 White people sit out there in the audience and we played and had the speakers out where they could hear us 81 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,400 but we wasn't allowed to come over in the audience where the white people was 82 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:29,080 >> David Dee: Once you left Mississippi, Uh, the segregation wasn't as bad up here. 83 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,720 But it was still that way. 84 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,160 >> Jimbo Mathus: Growing up in Mississippi, you know, you got white folks and black folks. 85 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,440 They integrate on certain levels, but the music thing was not appreciated, man. 86 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,400 When I was growing up in the 70's, nobody knew about the Blues 87 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,680 even though the Rolling Stones had been named after the Blues. 88 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,840 Even though John Lee Hooker had infected so many people with his Boogie Blues 89 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,520 and created Rock and Roll music 90 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,960 people in Mississippi did not appreciate it. 91 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,880 >> Bill Lucke Slowly, that railroad track has become, uh, nothing but a railroad track. 92 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:07,400 It's not a marker now for black and white. We're a fully integrated city. 93 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:12,160 And I have to credit Blues Music with a lot of that unification of this town. 94 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,400 >> Theo Dasbach: In Europe, most of the African American Blues Musicians, who would come there 95 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,880 durign the American Folk Fest, you know they were kind of ambassadors of that music of America 96 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,520 And, to be honest, we love that stuff up there. 97 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,960 >> Stan Street: Alot of the musicians had to go to Europe where they were judged 98 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,320 as equals or put on a pedestal 99 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:39,080 where in America a lot of times they were judged, you know, by their color, and kinda used. 100 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,720 >> Jimmi Mayes: Cats like Junior Wells and Buddy Guy they was the only ones keeping Blues alive 101 00:08:42,740 --> 00:08:48,120 until it went overseas, until the Rolling Stones and all that started doing the Blues. 102 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,559 The Stones wouldn't wouldn't come to Chicago without going to Howlin' Wolf's house. 103 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,760 >> Keith Richards: Well When we first started playing together we wanted to play the Blues and 104 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,200 Howlin wolf was one of our greatest idols 105 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,990 and it's a great pleasure to finally get him booked on this show tonight it really is. 106 00:09:01,990 --> 00:09:03,430 >> Mick Jagger: Thanks for having us 107 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,920 >> Keith Richards: Now I think It's about time we shut up and we had Howlin' Wolf on stage 108 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,960 >> Jimmy O'Neal: Yeah I agree Ok, Lets bring him our. Howlin Wolf'. Bring him out 109 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,360 >> Jimmy Mayes: Everybody would go to Peppers and go to Teresa's that's where Junior Wells would hang out. 110 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,040 And that's where everybody would be. But these white guys, they would come 111 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:28,520 and go to them same joints. They couldn't wait to get to Chicago, and hang out with the Blues Cats 112 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:39,720 >> Gil Cook: We are incapable, it seems like, a lot of the times, of valuing Black Art, 113 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,840 As it is. It always has to under undergo this mainstreaming process. 114 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,480 >> Janice Monti: Blues is not taught in the schools. You know, come February Black History Month 115 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,869 we're gonna talk about the Great Migration, we might play a little bit of Ma Rainey and then 116 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,360 move on to the next, but 117 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:07,040 it's not woven into the fabric and into the in which we teach American History American History. 118 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,440 >> Morgan Freeman: I don't want a Black History month. Black History is American History. 119 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,440 >> Lance Williams: The Blues is ingrained in the history of America. 120 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,669 And its important to tell the story the way that it actually has occurred. 121 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,200 >> Janice Monti: When we teach history, when we teach about culture, we have to teach the whole story. 122 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:33,600 And that's not just about slavery and Jim Crow and the injustice but it's also about 123 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,120 respecting and legitimizing this great musical tradition. 124 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:44,240 >> Dick Waterman: Blues in the school might be something and a nice idea, 125 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:51,920 but it doesn't really transform itself in a way, that you can be optimistic that Blues Music 126 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,200 is going to expand as these school kids get older. 127 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,640 >> Janice Monti: Not just Blues in the schools and teaching the kids to play 'Stormy Monday' 128 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:07,840 on five dollar harmonicas but it's about bringing this into the history curriculum, 129 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,200 the social studies curriculum, the arts, the humanities curriculum as well. 130 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,200 >> Harry Weber: I think its important for future generations to understand the history of anything 131 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:21,960 And if in fact Blues is an accurate representation of the emotional realities of being human, 132 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,550 that's sure a worthy history topic. 133 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:30,990 >> Lance Williams: It's important that the music be seen in its importance, and the fact that 134 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,680 it is part of the Heritage and the legacy of the African American experience and the 135 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:40,639 kinds of challenges that African Americans have gone through, continue to go through, 136 00:11:40,639 --> 00:11:44,509 and it's also a celebration of the great things that have happened. 137 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,080 >> Debra Devi: Encoded in the Blues are not only the ethics and aesthetics 138 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,240 that I talk about in my book but a large chunk of the history of this country. 139 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,200 People who's history was not being written in the history books is told in the songs 140 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,400 that they sing and that they wrote and that they left us. 141 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:14,240 >> Janice Monti: Here we are in the Chicago area in the Home of the Blues and we don't 142 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,840 recognize it, we don't give it the legitimacy that it deserves. 143 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,520 There is no journal of Blues studies as there is for Jazz for instance. 144 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:30,280 >> Theo Dasbach: Young people should know that America's Music came from this form of Art 145 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,240 and when they start listenign they will find out, oh this is part of my culture 146 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,200 >> Stan Street: It's a part of history that is important and it's real, you know, 147 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,080 and it's what has made America America. It's American Music. 148 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:54,069 >> Theo Dasbach: Without Blues, I mean literally it would be a total different landscape in Musical America. 149 00:12:54,069 --> 00:13:00,269 >> Kim Massie: It has paved the way for where we are now and we can always 150 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:06,240 reach back and grab that Blues and, we can make that thing go anywhere and do anything with it 151 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,350 and make it real. 152 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:29,600 >> Kim Massie: At Last, my love has come along. My lonely days' 153 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,000 >> Big George Brock: You can change the song, you can change the sound, but when you get 154 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,640 through changing it it all boils down it still comes from the Blues. 155 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,720 >> Vencie Vernado: It is the foundation for all music that comes out of America; 156 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:50,320 Be it Country and Western, Be it Rock and Roll, Be it R&B, Be it Pop, Be it whatever it is, 157 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,840 It will find it's roots in the Blues. 158 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,679 >> Bill Lucke Blues Music is the granddaddy of them all. I'm sure you've heard the expression 159 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,159 'Blues had a baby they named it Rock and Roll' but Blues music is the Root Music 160 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:09,080 for virtually every modern music form, even Hip Hop, Rhythm and Blues of course, Soul, Rock and Roll, 161 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,790 all those names of Musical Genres evolved from Blues Music. 162 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:20,920 >> Lance Williams: The Blues is the Mother Music to so much of the music that we listen to 163 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:27,680 on a regular basis on the radio, and so as a result of that, the impact is pervasive 164 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,800 >> Greg Johnson: A lot of time, you know, the record industry likes to separate different 165 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:37,120 musical forms into different styles, but the connections, you know the dividing lines 166 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:42,360 between what's Blues what's Jazz what's Country what's Rock, there's a lot of grey area 167 00:15:13,420 --> 00:15:17,800 >> Leo Bud Welch: The Blues is talking about life. And the gospel is 168 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,700 telling us how Jesus Christ was when he was on the Earth. 169 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:29,100 A lot of em' talk about, "Oh you better read your Bible. Them old Blues. That's that Devil's music. 170 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:34,260 And, if you making the money you spending the Devil's money.'" They'd do it too if they could they just can't do it. 171 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:39,580 If they can't do what I do, I feel sorry for em'. And I tell em, don't get mad, at my boys, 172 00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:41,480 if you boogie don't ride like mine. 173 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:47,120 >> Big George Brock: That was the holy music. In church. The people didn't have no guitars 174 00:15:47,129 --> 00:15:51,559 back in the day, they just clapped their hands and sang, pat their foot, and they call it. 175 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:56,659 But when we added the guitar and the drums and the horns and all that to it, 176 00:15:56,660 --> 00:15:58,360 then it was the Blues. 177 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,920 >> Terence Blanchard: What separated the music was, musically they were singing the same thing, 178 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:09,960 but, some people were singing to their lord, and other people, 179 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,880 were signing about their woman. You know what I mean? But, stylistically the music was the same. 180 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:20,180 >> Houston Baker: Blues was salvation. Blues was motivation. In Louisville in the 1950's 181 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:27,320 which is when I grew up in Louisville. The organist we had played at the Top Hat on Saturday night 182 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:35,259 and played in church on Sunday. Sometimes when the preacher was saying the most reverential 183 00:16:35,259 --> 00:16:41,739 of prayers, she would forget where she was. And, the music would do a crossover. 184 00:16:43,380 --> 00:16:46,680 >> Terence Blanchard: I was at a church in LA one time with my cousin, and I actually 185 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,140 started counting. I went, 'wait a minute'. He was singing the 12 bar Blues while he was 186 00:16:51,140 --> 00:16:54,520 really preaching, you know? Just like a Blues singer. I said, OK, 187 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,080 here comes the turnaraound. Ok there it is. Alright cool. 188 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,239 >> Lance Williams: The linkage of specifically Gospel music occurs first, during the slave era. 189 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:09,790 The slaves utilized the opportunity to be in a religious setting, to create songs 190 00:17:09,790 --> 00:17:15,690 that, many of which, had double meanings. Many of these songs for example, 191 00:17:15,690 --> 00:17:22,550 were songs that on the face of it were about going to heaven, but many of them had codes for 192 00:17:22,550 --> 00:17:28,870 where the underground railroad was coming. Or that, tonight we're going to cross the river, and 193 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:31,670 this will take us on the train to freedom. 194 00:17:31,670 --> 00:17:39,730 >> Gil Cook: It's an inclination towards, wanting to know that what I'm seeing and feeling, 195 00:17:39,730 --> 00:17:44,570 personally, like others out there relate to that and connect to that. So that's what I'm seeking. 196 00:17:44,570 --> 00:17:48,350 So that's what the music does. That's what the field hollers did. Right. 197 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:51,750 We were talking to each other. Sometimes we were just bull shittin'. Sometimes we were just, you know, 198 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:55,700 but sometimes were were on some like, 'Hey, these are the coordinates.' 199 00:17:55,700 --> 00:18:02,760 >> Field Hollar: No More, My Laud... 200 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,600 >> Lance Williams: This activity is formalized into what we know as Gospel music from the 201 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:14,780 commercial sense, the recording sense, with a man by the name of Thomas A Dorsey. 202 00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:20,540 Thomas A Dorsey was part of a Blues duo, Georgia Tom and Tampa Red. 203 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:26,860 And at some point, both of them had their come to Jesus moment, and for Georgia Tom, 204 00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:31,400 it caused him to utilize what he had learned as a Blues Musician, 205 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,980 into the rudimentary formation of what we know as Gospel Music. 206 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,780 >> Lance Williams: If you listen to someone like Aretha Franklin. If you substitute 207 00:18:53,780 --> 00:19:01,760 'My Lord' for 'Oh Baby' or 'Oh Jesus' for 'That Man' often you can really get a sense of the kind of 208 00:19:01,769 --> 00:19:06,159 interrelationship that we would say Gospel and secular music have. 209 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,400 >> Dean Alger: There's a guy names "Big Eye" Nelson Delisle who was a clarinet player 210 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:20,920 way back in the 1890's and early 1900's. He said 'Blues is what caused the fellas to start Jazzin' 211 00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:25,980 >> Theo Dasbach: Jazz and Blues, was also, in the beginning, in the 20's, more or less 212 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:31,280 the same. It was connected. You see, if you're talking about Jazz then you see that there's 213 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,420 a lot of Blues in Jazz. I mean, even in the titles of it, whether it's John Coltrane or 214 00:19:35,420 --> 00:19:42,800 Miles Davis or what. Blues went this way, and Jazz went that way. They still were connected, 215 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,280 but Jazz, we also say, that's more instrumental. 216 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,080 >> Terence Blanchard: I've never really thought of them as being separate things. I know 217 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,380 that we have this tradition of Blues and this tradition of Jazz now and they kinda like 218 00:19:55,380 --> 00:20:01,000 exist in these different worlds. But I look at Jazz as being an extension of the Blues. 219 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:08,040 You Know. It all, was created out of suffering; out of a need to express oneself. You know 220 00:20:08,049 --> 00:20:13,129 and, uh, the Blues form itself, there were many different forms, but when it widdled down 221 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:21,769 to the twelve bar form, it became of those standard forms that musicians can all build careers on. 222 00:20:21,770 --> 00:20:25,870 >> Deal Alger: Jazz came in part from Ragtime. It came in part from the March Music 223 00:20:25,870 --> 00:20:30,330 which was so prominent in New Orleans. But also, the Blues grew up in New Orleans. 224 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:35,180 Now a lot of Blues Writers think the Blues came from the Delta area of Mississippi. 225 00:20:35,180 --> 00:20:39,440 The more I investigated this, I'm inclined to think that the Blues actually was born in New Orleans 226 00:20:39,450 --> 00:20:44,720 not in Mississippi. The Blues came from Levy workers, and think about the ultimate music city 227 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,400 in the 1890's and think of all the kinds of things that were coming through New Orleans, 228 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,840 which was the number one port at that time. And you have Jelly Roll Morton saying, 229 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:58,040 when he was like five or six, he heard the Blues. And you had Bunk Johnson, who played the Blues. 230 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:04,580 You had Joe King Oliver. When he made his original Creole Jazz Band recordings from Chicago 1923, 231 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:10,460 half of them were, the Blues. The Blues was alive in the early 1890's in New Orleans. 232 00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:15,680 So that, really, was what gave the soulfulness, the grit, the depth, to Jazz. 233 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,120 >> Greg Johnson: Musicians in New Orleans, would have heard the music from the Mississippi 234 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,260 and Arkansas Deltas, and vice versa, because of the Mississippi River connecting 235 00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:31,020 these two geographic areas. So musicians down in New Orleans, developing Jazz Musicians, 236 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:35,260 would have heard these Blues sounds, and musicians in the Delta would have heard these developing 237 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:41,080 Jazz sounds. So the typical narrative says that Blues developed first, and it influenced Jazz. 238 00:21:41,660 --> 00:21:45,940 That may not necessarily be the case. I think both of these forms are developing 239 00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:50,880 at the same time, and they're kind of both mutually influencing one another. 240 00:21:51,740 --> 00:21:55,680 >> Louis Armstrong: Now Ladies and Gentleman, here's one you all can sing with us, 241 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,820 When the Saints go Marching In. 242 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,480 >> Dean Alger: Louis Armstrong was the one who really brought it out to almost everybody. 243 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,360 The sheer magnitude of Louis Armstrong's humanity, and the absolute genius of this guy, 244 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:20,840 appealed to people, and he grinned a lot. But the fact is people could embrace him and they increasingly 245 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,879 loved this guy, and Louis played the Blues. 246 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,880 >> Greg Johnson: One of the best introductions to the Blues Aesthetic, what Blues really means 247 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,460 was written by Albert Murray. It's a book called stomping the Blues. 248 00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:39,920 And he talks about Blues but from a Jazz framework. I mean, he'll talk more about Ellington than he will 249 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:45,680 all of the musicians from the delta combined. But he sees Jazz as part of a Blues continuum. 250 00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:53,540 >> Lance Williams: Blues is the foundation of Jazz. And, I don't know of a successful 251 00:22:53,540 --> 00:23:00,980 Jazz legend that doesn't have half his reperotoire as being Blues or Blues based music. 252 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:05,840 Just name me somebody. You know, whether it's Louie Armstrong or Wynton Marsalis. 253 00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:19,440 >> Dean Alger: Blues affected Country Music from early on. Go way back to the original guys. 254 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,000 Jimmie Rodgers, Father of Country Music, he was playing the Blues. He learned a lot of that 255 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,680 from an old Black man in Meridian Mississippi and along the railroad lines that he worked 256 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:35,940 >> Greg Johnson: Many of his songs, are Blues in structure. They have an A A B rhyme scheme 257 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:41,480 that you find in a lot of Blues. They have a twelve bar Blues Harmonic Progression. 258 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,720 They even have the word Blues in the title. 259 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,620 >> Jim O'Neal: The Founder of Country Music as he's called was 260 00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:50,060 very Blues oriented in a lot of his songs. He did Blue Yodels. 261 00:23:52,720 --> 00:24:00,860 >> Jimmy Rodgers: Teeeeeee For Texas, T For Tennessee eeeeee... 262 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:05,200 >> Jimbo Mathus: There's Jimmie Rodgers doin the Blues man. Introducing all this Blues. 263 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,940 Here goes Hank Williams in Alabama, learning Blues from Teetot. He wanted to sound like 264 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:14,419 Ernest Tubb and Teetot, you know. It's like, There you go. 265 00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:18,179 >> Danielle Schnebelen: Otis Taylor tells this story about how the Banjo actually originated 266 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:24,100 in Africa. So that kind of speaks volumes for Bluegrass and all of the, what is, you know 267 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:28,280 kind of Country today. It just, you can see how it all stems from the Blues. 268 00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:31,660 >> Greg Johnson: A lot of people they look at Bluegrass and they're seeing the Banjo 269 00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:37,560 and they just. They think America immediately. But the Banjo comes right out of Africa as do 270 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:43,440 many string instruments. The guitar developed, in some level, out of the lute. That kind of 271 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,020 developed out of the oud. O U D it's a middle eastern string instrument. That developed 272 00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:51,400 from several other string instruments that came out of northern Africa. I mean if we 273 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,060 go back far enough we're gonna find that everything comes out of Africa. I mean, look at mitochonrial DNA. 274 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,320 >> Jim O'Neal: Bill Monroe learned from a Black artist in Kentucky names Arnold Schultz. 275 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,860 Those stories are common among Country Musicians about, you know, how they were inspired 276 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:07,060 in their early years by Blues Musicians. 277 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,820 >> Jim O'Neal: We think of Rhythm and Blues as one thing but I think, originally, it was supposed to 278 00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:21,340 encompass two different things. It was the Rhythm music of the Jump and Jive bands 279 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:25,330 and it was the Blues. Just like there was County Music and their was Western Music; 280 00:25:25,330 --> 00:25:30,310 Cowboy Songs. Originally they were two separate genres combined into one term. 281 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,320 >> Jimmi Mayes: It was called Rhythm and Blues. That Simple. Then they dropped the Blues and called it R & B. 282 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Then it went from R & B to Soul. Now it's all back. It's all back. 283 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:47,000 >> Anthony Gomes: In that era, Blues was called Rhythm and Blues. Out of that, in the sixties, 284 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,280 evolved what we know as Rhythm and Blues today which is Motown. And when that change happened, 285 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:59,900 Rhythm and Blues as BB King or Little Milton or people of that sort just became known as Blues. 286 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:02,800 BB Jokes that they lost the Rhythm somewhere along the way. 287 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:11,380 >> Tom Graves: What we had happen was a melding of those Delta styles with the jumping Swing Band stuff. 288 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,400 How do you merge those two things together. Well, they decided to come up with a term called 289 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,920 Rhythm and Blues. It was a little jumpier, a little faster, a little more you could dance to 290 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,000 And for a long time R&B or Rhythm and Blues on the Jukebox is how you would see 291 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:33,360 Race Music or Black Music defined. Well, alot of white people started switching over 292 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:39,080 and listening to some of those songs. One of those people was Alan Freed the Disk Jockey. 293 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,660 He thought Rhythm and Blues was something that might turn off as many people as it turned on. 294 00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:50,800 So he started looking around for a term that he thought could hook the teenage audience. 295 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,260 And he came up with a term that was widely used in Blues called Rock and Roll 296 00:26:55,260 --> 00:27:01,020 which was sort of a sly euphemism for having sex. Some of the whites like Bill Haley and the Comets 297 00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:07,180 began to take this jumping Rhythm and Blues and kind of whitening it a little bit. 298 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:12,320 And when he stuck the term Rock and Roll on that and some of Bill Haley's early songs like 299 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:18,740 Rock Around the Clock had that term in it; It just caught fire. Alan Freed was no fool 300 00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:23,780 and he knew a good thing when he heard it so Rock and Roll is what became the New Thing 301 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:29,420 although, really, it's just kind of the old thing with new wind addressing. And it worked. 302 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:42,780 >> Little Richard: Wom Bom A Loo Mou Ma Lom Bom Bom Tuutti Fruiti oh Rudy. Tutti Fruiti, oh Rudy 303 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:45,740 >> Jim O'Neal: Piano had always been the dominant instrument in the Blues. I mean, we think 304 00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:50,500 of it as guitar music but in most places if there was a piano there, the piano players 305 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:55,300 were the stars of the Blues. But when the electric guitar came along, the music became amplified. 306 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:59,420 Then the guitar could be heard and eventually became the dominant instrument. 307 00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:01,640 People looked for the guitar solos. 308 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,940 >> Dean ALger: Lonnie Johnson was born in 1894 in New Orleans, and he soaked up that 309 00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:13,220 remarkably rich musical heritage, and he started out playing violin, which is really interesting 310 00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:17,260 because that's the lead instrument in classical music and it's a very expressive instrument. 311 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:21,600 You can slide up and down. You can make it cry and moan and so on. The great classical 312 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,700 guitarist Paganini was famous for doing that. Lonnie took all that, and transfered it to the guitar. 313 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:33,120 At the time Lonnie came up around the early 1900's, the guitar was a rhythm instrument. 314 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:38,300 It was Lonnie Johnson who really created the guitar solo and of using that 315 00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:43,480 instrument for such powerful expressive effect, and the rest is music history. 316 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,120 >> Jimmi Mayes: Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley, they were playing Blues all the time. 317 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,620 One of Elvis records was 'You Aint Nothin' But A Hound Dog'. That was Big Mama Thornton. 318 00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:58,460 That was straight up Blues. And Chuck was with the greatest Blues Label, Chess Records. 319 00:28:58,460 --> 00:29:03,540 Everything Chuck would do, the other guys would come in the studio, and do it behind him. 320 00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:07,520 >> Dean Alger: The two founding fathers of Rock guitar, Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry, 321 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,080 both profoundly influenced by Lonnie Johnson; and it went all the way through Eric Clapton, 322 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,300 through Jimi Hendrix, to heavy metal. Heavy metal really is just Blues on steroids. 323 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:23,580 They're just wailing away, and they're really taking that essential expressionism of the Blues guitar 324 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:27,420 to a post modernist feel. That's really what it is. 325 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:32,720 >> Greg Johnson: There's been so many Blues songs covered and reinterpreted by Rock musicians. 326 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,580 Look at 'When the Levy Breaks' by Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy about the 1927 327 00:29:37,580 --> 00:29:42,620 Mississippi River Flood. You know, and this was reinterpretted by Led Zeppelin. We have 328 00:29:42,620 --> 00:29:49,060 Willie Dixon. The most famous Blues song writer ever probably who doesn't get enough credit, I think. 329 00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:53,320 His music has even been covered by Megadeth. I mean, it's just like, 330 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,820 Blues has had a huge influence, all around the world. 331 00:29:56,820 --> 00:30:01,160 >> Theo Dasbach: Rock and Roll was here the whole music scene changed, because people 332 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,160 had to play Rock and Roll. Well, if you listen to Rock and Roll and you listen to Chuck Berry, 333 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,460 Little Richard, and the early Elvis even, then that's Blues covers. Half of it is Blues Covers, 334 00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:14,200 you know. But they changed it a little bit, the rhythm, the beat was a little bit different, 335 00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:15,789 the texts were a little different. 336 00:30:15,789 --> 00:30:19,549 >> Harry Weber: Blues Music became universal through Rock and Roll. 337 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,420 And then when Rock and Roll became available, people went back and looked at Blues Music 338 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:33,920 >> Dick Waterman: We who knew Muddy and Wolf and Little Milton and people like that, 339 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:41,620 we knew that the Stones and the Yardbirds and the Beatles or whatever, took them as opening acts. 340 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:47,960 The Beatles had such a heavy influence from Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, 341 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,560 people like that. And of course the cultural mark of the Stones, is very strong. 342 00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:58,380 >> Theo Dasbach: I got people in the Museum saying 'I don't like Blues' I said you don't. No. 343 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:03,240 I said, 'What do you think about the first LP of the Rolling Stones? Yeah I used to have that. 344 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,300 That was great music. I said well that's Blues. Jimmy Hendrix. It doesn't sound like Blues 345 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:13,060 immediately for some people, but if you listen, and you listen, it's there. 346 00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:15,660 Sometimes a little bit more than others but it is there. 347 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:20,400 >> Anthony Gomes: One day, uh, I went downtown in Toronto and I took 3 busses, and I got 348 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:28,040 a BB King CD for $5.99 on sale called 'Live at the Regal'. And I put it on the CD player 349 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,520 and I immediately found home. And I always tell people it's sort of like, Blues Rock 350 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,040 was like Apple Pie and I loved Apple Pie. But the reason I loved it was for the Apple. 351 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,480 And I was eatin' all this extra butter and sugar and crust just to get to the apple. 352 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,280 And then I found the truth and the essence and the core, when I heard BB. And everything 353 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,240 made sense to me before and after. He was sort of the bridge. 354 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,900 Jimi Hendrix made sens eafter I heard BB King. 355 00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:58,920 >> Jimmi Mayes: I got with Joey D and the Starlighters and one particular time the 356 00:31:58,929 --> 00:32:03,709 guitar player left and Joey say, Hey Man I want you to find us a guitar player. 357 00:32:03,709 --> 00:32:08,840 So I walked up and down Broadway, went everywhere. Couldn't find no guitar player, then I ran 358 00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:14,200 into this guy named Johnny Star. He say I know a guitar player, man, he play with the Isley Brothers 359 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,679 but he's not happy. So I went to this Alvin hotel and I stole Jimmi Hendrix 360 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:24,459 from the Isley Brothers. But his name was Maurice then. He called himself Maurice James. 361 00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:28,620 So, we put him in the Starlighters. but we didn't know he was gonna be the world's greatest 362 00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:30,779 Rock and Roll guitar player 363 00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:37,100 >> Harry Weber: Jimmy Hendrix, he basically ate up and swallowed guitars. I mean he was 364 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:40,620 somebody that took it to a sustention, wilder than anybody could. 365 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:47,260 >> Rip Kastaris: What an inspired Artist. Went in to state when he played and reverberation 366 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:51,660 off of the speakers which is something that everybody hated at that time, 367 00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:53,800 became a signature part of his act. 368 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,800 >> Jimmi Mayes: I got a call. This lady say 'Jimi wants you to come to the studio.' 369 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,060 I said 'Jimi who?' She say 'Jimi Hendrix'. And here's the world's greatest guitar player, 370 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:08,060 just as big as the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Elvis Presley. And I went to the studio 371 00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:13,860 man and we played from about eleven at night to daylight. I'm a part of Rock and Roll history 372 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:19,780 because that was the first session that he produced himself. So I played on Jimi's first production. 373 00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:38,820 >> Gil Cook: I always saw Hip Hop, As A part of that continuum, that network of Black 374 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:47,320 Music Legacy. So for me it was always a connection between Hip Hop and Blues and Hip Hop and Jazz. 375 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,960 I was always a fan of those things because they were always a natural part of my life, 376 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,320 because the things that they were expressing, and the things that they were dealing with 377 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,500 and the circumstances that made the Blues the Blues... 378 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,159 Were the same things that made Hip Hop Hip Hop. 379 00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:04,379 >> Drumma Boy: ...Everything that I know, Everything that I profit, 380 00:34:04,379 --> 00:34:08,499 everything that I show. How else would I have made it without... 381 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:15,560 >> Drumma Boy: The Blues and the Hip Hop, was like, You know, from what Memphis was 382 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:22,170 Known for, we wanted to kind of bring a different feel to the table. We wanted to bring more energy 383 00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:26,430 because when you heard the Blues, you know, as a kid it was just so depressing and 384 00:34:26,430 --> 00:34:31,030 so sad but it would be funny because if you really started listening to the stories, 385 00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:35,620 they were love stories or they were, you know, telling you what they would do in a funny way 386 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:39,820 when they got mad at their spouse or, you know, some funny little story about what 387 00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:44,960 they would do, 'And I'll go drink all night.' And then they hit you with the explanation. 388 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,740 It's real interesting how Blues would reach kids. And it was kind of in a funny way and 389 00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:55,600 we would always joke about it and be like, man let's, let's make some a ...... And it, 390 00:34:55,610 --> 00:35:00,270 it would be a little bit more up tempo but it was still the Blues. I started making beats 391 00:35:00,270 --> 00:35:05,740 just off of like hearing stuff on Beale street. So I remember like many of times coming right 392 00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:11,120 off of Beale street with ideas in my head from what I heard, and then I'll flip it in to something else. 393 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:16,440 It's just so many memories that I can remember about the Blues and, you know, 394 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:22,700 um, having inspiration and motivation to touch a new generation. 395 00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:29,740 Came up with a cat named Yo Gotti, and um, our first album was Life. You know, I did another song for 396 00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:35,360 a artist by the name of Tela James. His first project was Double Dose. And all of these 397 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,780 tracks that you could look up on youtube and hear these songs and hear the Blues influence. 398 00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:46,420 >> Terence Blanchard: When I think about how Hip Hop was created, it sounds exactly like 399 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:53,060 what happened, spiritually based music, the Blues, Jazz. There was a frustration. 400 00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:59,480 That's where it started. A frustration of not being able to get a point across. And I think that's 401 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:06,280 what those musics have in common. You know. That, that sense of, you're not hearing me. 402 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,760 I need to say this some other way cause, the way that the community is trying to tell you 403 00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:13,150 and get you to understand, you're not hearing it, you know. So I'm gonna go this other avenue. 404 00:36:13,150 --> 00:36:17,220 I'm gonna take this other route, speak a little louder, and maybe you'll get it this way. 405 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,920 >> Drumma Boy: When I came up, you know, we would look back at the Blues and, and wanna 406 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:28,520 use it as inspiration to reinspire our generation in a different way and we did that through 407 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,900 Hip Hop, you know. Hip Hop was a cool was to express yourself and be heard. 408 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:41,820 >> Gil Cook: Blues, in its oral tradition, and it's a form of getting experiential lived 409 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:52,080 racially specific circumstances expressed, in musical form. Like, 410 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,060 tell me that's not Hip Hop. 411 00:36:54,700 --> 00:37:00,220 >> Janice Monti: The Blues has left footprints across world popular culture. 412 00:37:00,220 --> 00:37:04,440 Whether we're talking about Soul, R&B, Hip Hop. 413 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,840 But also in Fashion, Mannerisms, Literature and the Arts. 414 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,960 >> Rip Kastaris: It seems like Music and Art really humanize us. It's a feeling. 415 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,980 It's not something that you think out with your head but it's something that, it's visceral. 416 00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:25,660 It's in your gut. And everybody shares it. It's shared without being divided. 417 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,720 >> Harry Weber: Art is, in fact, involvement with the human condition. And Blues music, 418 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,220 is probably the purest and rawest expression of how people feel. I would compare it to 419 00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:41,980 when I get out my sketchbook and I'm at a bar, and I try to capture what's going on there. 420 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,920 It's exactly the same with Blues Music, which has a sophistication all its own and 421 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,360 an art all its own that captures the moment, captures the feeling and does it persuasively 422 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,620 and acurately and emotionally. 423 00:37:55,060 --> 00:37:58,820 >> Rip Kastaris: Because I'm an Artist I have to express it in my own way. And when I hear 424 00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:05,420 Blues Music and when I get into the whole vibe of the band playing and people dancing and, 425 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:08,680 what a great feeling that is to share all that. 426 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,500 >> Stan Street: People will say that they can hear the music when they're looking at 427 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:18,720 the piece of artwork. I've had peole say 'You know I can feel the music or I can, 428 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,980 I can hear the music when I look at the artwork and to me that's, that's a really big compliment. 429 00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:27,840 >> Harry Weber: Music actually helps put me in the mood to create stuff. It really does 430 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,340 help clear my mind and it helps me focus on what I'm creating, listening to something 431 00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:38,160 that somebody else has created. I remember When I first learned of Lightening Hopkins for instance. 432 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,520 You know, I would play it while I'm sculpting. It's great stuff to get your juices flowing. 433 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,980 >> Lightening Hopkins: The Blues 434 00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:57,160 >> Rip Kastaris: It seems like all the great musicians seem to almost channel the music 435 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:03,400 through them and that can't help but inspire me. And so I try to paint, not only the musician, 436 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,820 but the music around them. So the movements and the shapes and the colors. 437 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:15,160 The dynamic of things moving in and out of the picture plane suggests the energies 438 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,520 as well as the musicians themselves. 439 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:28,260 >> Debra Devi: Blues Music has had a huge impact on American English. And as you dig 440 00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:32,020 into the Blues you'll hear words like Doney. If a woman's carrying, you know, heavy baskets 441 00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:35,880 on her head she's doing manual labor. And then you add the phrase No Good Doney 442 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,260 means a woman who doesn't want anything to do with manual labor and that's what Robert Johnson's saying 443 00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:44,240 when he says she's a No Good Doney. She's trying to meet every downtown man she can. 444 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,700 She's looking for a sugar daddy, basically. 445 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,940 These are things that enrich American English tremendously, 446 00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:55,980 and they come from the Blues. You can trace some of them back to Africa. 447 00:39:55,980 --> 00:40:00,640 And I think the one that was most resonant for me was the word Cool. Because I was asking myself, 448 00:40:00,650 --> 00:40:05,930 well why do we say that that guitar solo was cool or why do we say that that musician 449 00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:09,950 has soul and that one doesn't. You know, why is this person cool and this is not cool. 450 00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:15,680 So I did some digging and I found that there was a Yoruba word called Itutu that means Coolness. 451 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,380 But it's specifically used to describe a piece of art that is considered to be 452 00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:27,500 connected to divinity. Or a person who represents that state of being connected. 453 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,840 >> Lance Williams: Blues has impacted literature particularly on the African American side tremendously. 454 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,960 The great writers beginning in the Harlem Rennaissance of the 1920's and early 30's 455 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,640 were people who were constantly listening to the Blues and they wrote about it in their work. 456 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:50,380 Poets like Langston Hughes for example, Alain Leroy Locke, James Weldon Johnson. 457 00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:55,940 Later, we have a great writer such as Ralph Ellison who's book Invisible Man 458 00:40:55,940 --> 00:41:01,420 was considered to be one of the most important novels of the twentieth century. 459 00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:09,080 His second major book was a criticism called Shadow and Act and that was the result of his love of music. 460 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:15,380 So Shadow and Act is essentially a look at African American Music from a critical perspective. 461 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,100 The book Native Son. It is set in an African American community and the characters 462 00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:27,840 to a certain extent have a certain tragic element to it. But again, this is the kind of overall 463 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,960 thematic impression that you get. That there is a kind of overtone of the Blues 464 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,300 both as a music as well as the expression of cultural motifs. 465 00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:46,820 >> Gil Cook: The Blues is all up and throughout literature. Not just Black literature even. 466 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,920 >> Patricia Shroeder: My book, Robert Johnson Mythmaking and Contemporary American Culture, 467 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:57,160 arose out of the research I started doing after I saw Robert Johnson popping up everywhere. 468 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,500 He was a character in three novels in the early 1990's. And then I started seeing 469 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:06,340 Robert Johnson collectibles. There was a Japanese artist making Robert Johnson figurines. 470 00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:13,420 Suddenly he was everywhere, and I didn't know why. So as I did more research about him I discovered that 471 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,600 we don't know huge amounts. There's more gaps than there are facts. 472 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,780 >> 'Old Brother Where Art Thou': What'd the Devil give you for your soul Tommy. 473 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:24,880 Well he taught me to play this here guitar real good. 474 00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:30,200 >> Tom Graves: The film director Martic Scorsese I think said it best that Robert Johnson was 475 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:36,240 pure myth. But we don't know much about the real Robert Johnson. And in my particular 476 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:42,220 book, what I set out to do was to try to separate the truth from the myth. What really happened 477 00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:46,240 particularly with the myth of the crossroads which is the most widely known of the myths 478 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:50,780 about Robert Johnson. The myth was actually meant for another Blues man who came about 479 00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:56,220 a decade before Robert Johnson and was actually in his time a much bigger star 480 00:42:56,220 --> 00:43:02,760 in the Blues world than Robert Johnson ever was and his name was Tommy Johnson. 481 00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:07,090 Dr David Evans, a Blues historian in Memphis, tracked down Tommy Johnson's brother, 482 00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:13,150 and he related the story about how Tommy Johnson got to be so good on the guitar, and how he sold his soul to 483 00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:18,170 the Devil right before midnight he walked down the road and you know the story. At midnight 484 00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:23,730 on the dot, a tall Black man appeared. You hand your guitar off to the Black man, 485 00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:29,750 he tunes it for you, and when he hands it back and you accept it that means your soul is sold. 486 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,780 The book came out and this was the same time that John Hammond of Columbia Records 487 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:40,520 decided that with this folk music boom that was going on it was time to reissue 488 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:47,300 after twenty five or so years, Robert Johnson. They found that Robert Johnson had recently died 489 00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:51,880 but he always had Robert Johnson in mind. He thought that Robert Johsnon was a higher 490 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:59,170 level of artist than most of the other bluesmen from the delta. These two records just absolutely 491 00:43:59,170 --> 00:44:03,730 amazed people like Bob Dylan. It went over to England and all of the people who were 492 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:08,630 leaving traditional Jazz behind and finding American Blues, they thought this was the 493 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:14,330 best stuff they had ever heard. It's not really hard to understand why, that with the word 494 00:44:14,330 --> 00:44:18,690 of Tommy Johnson and selling your soul to the Devil at the Crossroads, that all the 495 00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:23,690 sudden when you have this record album by a guy named Robert Johnson. He has a song 496 00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:29,290 called Crossroads. Well the associations you can just see them connecting. And once they 497 00:44:29,290 --> 00:44:34,390 connected it wouldn't let go. And so Robert Johnson today to most people is considered 498 00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:38,550 that guy who sold his soul to the Devil at the crossroads, and then the second part of that 499 00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:42,930 is he paid for it by flirting with the wrong woman in the wrong place. 500 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:47,690 And the husband decided to poison him because of it. 501 00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:54,770 >> Robert Johnson: Early this morning, ooooo, when you knocked upon my door. 502 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:06,440 And I said hello Satan. I believe it's time to go. 503 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,120 >> Patricia Shroeder: The first time I think it was in print was in the sixties. 504 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:19,920 Son House gave an interview to Pete Welding, where he said, 'Robert was so good, he must have sold 505 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,820 his soul to the Devil to play like that; and the legend came up. And then you start hearing 506 00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:29,820 people that knew him saying, 'Oh yeah Robert told us that. His family claimed to believe it.' 507 00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:34,800 Then, when some African American Scholars get in the mix like Julio Finn, they say 'Well, You know, 508 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,280 there's African Spiritual retentions all through the Mississippi Delta and the 509 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,980 Yoruba religion worshiped a lot of varied gods including one called Legba, the God of the Crossroads. 510 00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:49,700 And one of the Yoruba rituals was you could make some small offering 511 00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:54,920 asking for inspiration; opening the gates between yourselves and the divine spirit. 512 00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,940 Kind of like an ancient Greek would write an invocation to the Muse. Maybe he was doing that. 513 00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:04,760 So, you can either believe it's true, believe it's hype, believe it's not true, 514 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,860 and all of those three things have to do with the world view you bring to the story. 515 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,240 >> Jim O'Neal: Living Blues is the first American Blues Magazine, which was inspired by the 516 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:19,900 fact that there were Blues Magazines in Sweden, France, England. Why were we so far behind? 517 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:24,900 It seemed crazy to be reading about Chicago Blues in an English Magazine when we're right 518 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:29,260 in the heart of where it was all happening. One of the reasons that it was called Living Blues 519 00:46:29,260 --> 00:46:33,040 was becasue there was a lot of talk, there always has been for decades now, that 520 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:38,740 Blues is dead, Blues is Dying. So Bruce Iglauer who later started Alligator Records, was one 521 00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:43,280 of the cofounders and he actually came up with the name Living Blues. The idea was to 522 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,760 show that Blues was still a living tradition among African American Musicians. 523 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,260 >> Patricia Shroeder: I've been a long time teacher of Drama as well as African American 524 00:46:57,260 --> 00:47:01,560 Literature and one thing I noticed as I was running across all this literature written 525 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:07,980 about Robert Johnson, with the exception of Walter Mosley, none of the writers were African American. 526 00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:13,280 So they were telling the story from an outside point of view. And I wanted to see what 527 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:19,800 African American writers were doing with Robert Johnson, and I stumbled upon three playwrights. 528 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,240 One is Bill Harris' 'Trick the Devil' from the 1990's, one is Robert Earl Price's 529 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:29,820 'Come On in My Kitchen' which has never been published but was produced in Atlanta's very prestigious 530 00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:36,220 7 Stages Theater in the early 2000's and the third is an unpublished screenplay from 1980 531 00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:41,740 by Adrienne Kennedy, a really important African American Feminist Playwright. So I looked at 532 00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:46,920 all three of them and they did very different things. For two of them, it was hogwash and 533 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,000 it's just a way to discredit his talent and his artistry. That white people had to believe 534 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,580 this is the only way an unschooled Black man could be such a genius. But Robert Earl Price's 535 00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:59,740 show was different. He kind of posits that, Of Course he sold his soul to the Devil. 536 00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:03,340 That's the only way any Black Person gets ahead in America. 537 00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:09,400 >> Robert Earl Price: It takes the incidents of his death in Greenwood or the anniversary of his death 538 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:17,380 as a time when there was a convergence of forces among people who've made similar deals. 539 00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:22,980 To give an audience an idea that What kind of deal do you have to make in order 540 00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:28,100 to succeed in a place where you are the double sold individual. 541 00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:34,340 If you let the white part of yourself live, then the Black part has to be diminished. 542 00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:38,020 >> Patricia Shroeder: In his play, which takes place in the Juke Joint in Mississippi where 543 00:48:38,020 --> 00:48:42,960 Robert Johnson is killed; a plane crashes in this Juke Joint with Condoleezza Rice, 544 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,080 Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas in it. And they all try to make some deal with the Devil 545 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,980 to get out of having to stay there; having to be crashed. It's the price of success for 546 00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:57,780 African Americans he's talking about, and it's very, very cunning satire I think. 547 00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:01,780 Robert Johnson in that appears only as a video projection. He's not even real. 548 00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:05,620 >> Robert Earl Price: Some of the people that you see in power, especially African Americans 549 00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:11,280 that I see in power, I keep wondering, Okay. How much of this? What happened? 550 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,860 What kind of deal did this person have to make in order to become who we see them as? 551 00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:21,280 I mean, what could Clarence Thomas be thinking? 552 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:38,480 >> 'The Wolf of Wall Street': Yep. On a daily basis I consume Manhattan, Long Island, and Queens, 553 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:44,060 for a month. >> Lance Williams: The Blues is a very important device in film because a lot of film 554 00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:51,340 is inference and a lot of film is allowing the audience to draw their own conclusions, and a good 555 00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:56,900 director will often bring an audience to the trough and it is up to the audience to drink 556 00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:01,880 whatever water is there placed in front of them in the sense of how they want to feel 557 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,300 about the particular set of circumstances that they see the characters faced with. 558 00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:09,580 >> Terence Blanchard: I've used Blues and Jazz in, in just about everything I've done man. 559 00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:14,820 You know, it started with 'Malcolm X', moving on through just about all of Spike's stuff; 560 00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:20,080 And then I did 'Their Eyes Were Watching God', you know, which definitely had a lot of those different 561 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,500 elements in it; And then I did the movie about the Chess Brothers, 'Cadillac Records', 562 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:27,800 you know, and that movie was all about the Blues. 563 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,540 >> Ira Newborn: I've probably used Jazz and Blues in every movie I ever did practically. 564 00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:40,060 'Innocent Blood' was Jazzy. I did Bluesy kind of stuff in 'Planes, Trains and Automobiles'. 565 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:47,480 I mean probably every movie because I was styereotyped in comedy. And in comedy, 566 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:53,820 the main thing is the jokes. If you have no jokes, you don't really have a comedy. You have a 567 00:50:53,820 --> 00:51:00,260 mildly amusing movie. So, you have to play the jokes. You either have to support them 568 00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:05,440 and then stop just before the punchline, or, you can play through it. I'll give you an 569 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:11,740 example if you're talking about Jazz. If you have like in The Naked Gun, this sexy woman, 570 00:51:11,740 --> 00:51:18,200 Priscilla Presley, coming down the stairs, you know and sashaying down, you play this 571 00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:26,210 slurpy, sexy, saxaphone. So in that case, it's the style that makes the joke funnier. 572 00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:31,070 She's sashaying down the stairs and then she falls, right? No it's not funny that someone 573 00:51:31,070 --> 00:51:37,010 fell down a flight of stairs but the contrast of her coming down like the Queen and then 574 00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:40,500 Boom. And then falling. That's what's funny. The contrast. 575 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,420 >> Lance Williams: A Piece of music becomes a character in a movie or a television program. 576 00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:51,420 It can be the kind of device that builds some kind of emotion or helps the audience to really 577 00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:56,620 understand what is taking place. I mean, for example, a sad piece of music describes 578 00:51:56,620 --> 00:52:05,440 a woman crying. Or, alot of sex scenes have overtones that are Bluesy, overtones of music that 579 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:12,760 speaks to what people think of the Blues as being kind of gut bucket and down dirty and nasty. 580 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:20,240 Then on the other side, you have so many movies that have a theme that is musically driven. 581 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:27,620 >> 'The Blues Brothers': Well me and the Lord, we got an understanding. We're on a mission from God. 582 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,820 >> Stan Street: You know the Blues Brothers, even though it was commercial, it was inspired by 583 00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:36,820 real events. I know the people that inspired them. It came from the east and the west coast 584 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:42,400 with Down Child Blues Band on the East Coast and Curtis Salgado on the West Coast. 585 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,900 >> Curtis Salgado: This guy comes up to me and goes Belushi wants to meet you. And I 586 00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:52,120 said What? I'm in the middle of a song. I told him to get lost. And finally, at the 587 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,660 end of the show I jump off the stage and he goes Belushi you gotta meet him and he turns 588 00:52:56,660 --> 00:53:02,920 me around and I meet this guy, and I shook his hand and I kinda went...And... 589 00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:08,560 He goes oh I like what you do. I have a friend of mine he kinda looks like you. And he says, 590 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,860 yeah his name is Dan Aykroyd. And I was, just looked at him blank. And then the next step was 591 00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:18,500 he says well I'm doing this movie in town and then I go do this show in New York called 592 00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:24,960 Saturday Night Live and I was completely blank. And then he hit paydirt and he goes, I'm really 593 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,640 excited because we're gonna do this show with Ray Charles. And I said What? You're gonna what? 594 00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:34,970 I just perked up and said You've got to ask Ray Charles about Guitar Slim. He goes 595 00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:38,630 who's Guitar Slim and I said, You don't knot who Guitar Slim is? And then I just whipped 596 00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:43,350 out his history. And Belushi, much to his credit, was interested. So I gave him a bunch 597 00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:49,600 of ideas and gave him, uh, records. And we made friends. I was bringing him my record collection. 598 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:58,880 >> The Blues Brothers: I said Hey Bartender. Hey Man, Looka Here. A draw one, draw two, draw three ... 599 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,980 >> Curtis Salgado: Hey Bartender I turned him onto because he wanted to Jam. He wanted 600 00:54:02,980 --> 00:54:07,540 to Jam Jailhouse Rock and I said That's corny, I'm not gonna do it. I'll bring you a song, 601 00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:12,920 and I brought him Hey Bartneder, by Floyd Dixon, who lived in Oakland. So we were playing 602 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,200 with Floyd Dixon and I brought Belushi Hey Bartender. 603 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:23,540 >> Ira Newborn: John Belushi was a loveable, out of control, at least when I knew him, 604 00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:30,800 Big Baby. It's perfect what Danny Aykroyd said about him at his funeral. He was a bad boy 605 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,560 but a good man. He ran around like a lunatic and did all kinds of stuff but he wouldn't 606 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:41,920 hurt anybody and he was generous. And he loved doing what he was doing, Acting and singing. 607 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,380 He loved music, and Danny too, they Loved the Blues. That's not like a joke. 608 00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:48,940 These guys are really in love with the Blues. 609 00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:54,590 >> Harry Weber: I like the whole attitude of two fat, comic white guys playing the 610 00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:58,100 Blues Brothers. It was a great thing. Beyond entertaining. 611 00:54:59,660 --> 00:55:06,320 >> Bugs Bunny: What's Up Doc, what's cookin? What's up Doc, are you lookin, for Bugs Bunny 612 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,020 >> Charles Chamberlain: A lot of people don't even realize that Bugs Bunny was talking like 613 00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:15,080 a Jive Jazz Musician. Hey What's Up Doc? You know, all that stuff. His vernacular and his dialect 614 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,100 was really kind of like a hip black guy from the time. And, really he was almost like the 615 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,900 trickster character, um, in African Folk Lore where the Rabbit was always the trickster 616 00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:29,340 who got out of trouble; like Brae Rabbit. So, you know, no matter how much trouble that 617 00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:35,080 he got in with Yosemite Sam or Elmer Fudd, he still played the trick on them and 618 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,480 ended up living at the end of the day. 619 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:49,420 >> 'The Princess and the Frog': I know that tune. Dipper Mouth Blues. (playing) Play it Brother 620 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:55,240 >> Terence Blanchard: It starts with the children. When I was a kid, all of the Hanna Barbara 621 00:55:55,240 --> 00:56:00,200 cartoons. Come on man. You know, all of those things were steeped in the tradition of Jazz. 622 00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:07,520 Peanuts. Come on. Vince, was one of the greatest Jazz pianists on the planet and that entire series. 623 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:12,060 Every Christmas, weren't you waiting for that Charlie Brown Christmas? Right, and 624 00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:18,760 the music that really gives you that sense of warmth and welcome, is Jazz. 625 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,120 >> 'The General Insurance Commercial': Sounds like George has the Auto Insurance Blues. Mmmhhmm. 626 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,180 Here, get a quote from the General. There down payment and monthly payments are low. 627 00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:32,670 >> Stan Street: If you keep the TV on for fifteen minutes, you'll hear harmonica, you'll hear, 628 00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:37,410 especially now, lately. It's all over the place. You hear slide guitar, you know, 629 00:56:37,410 --> 00:56:42,350 and steel guitar and you hear Blues in a commercial. You hear some Blues in the Background. 630 00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:45,610 >> 'Viagra Commercial': Isn't it time you talked to your doctor about Viagra? 631 00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:49,730 >> Lance Williams: I find it interesting that Smokestack Lightening is the soundtrack of 632 00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:55,690 the Viagra commercial. That's a very very interesting commentary on the times that we live in. 633 00:56:55,690 --> 00:57:00,760 Here's a old man singing about sex, and this pill is marketed to old guys. 634 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,780 >> Debra Devi: The Blues became a way for the rest of Americans to 635 00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:08,960 become a little bit less uptight about talking about sex. 636 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,980 >> Dean Alger: We had this Victorian social order, and everything was proper, and the 637 00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:18,760 music was sort of right on the beat, and restrained and so on, and then the Blues came along, 638 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,780 and Jazz came along. And it's not an accident that it came along in New Orleans. 639 00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:29,260 Because New Orleans was wide open, experimental and all these different people and all these different trends. 640 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,040 >> Lance Williams: Jazz was the soundtrack of the Red Light District. 641 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:37,420 >> Charles Chamberlain: In 1897 we had a city alderman which is like a city councilman. 642 00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:42,780 His name was Sidney Story. And he proposed to regulate prostitution in the city by establishing 643 00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:49,860 a specific neighborhood in which prostitution was legalized. So that was known as The District. 644 00:57:49,860 --> 00:57:55,400 Um, and then, as a joke, people named it after him. So it became known as Storyville which 645 00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,400 was basically a parody of this uptight reformer who was trying to regulate prostitution but 646 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,920 then became associated with the trade itself. Now, Storyville had a mixture of very high 647 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,380 end brothels like Hilma Bert's house and Lu Lu White's mohogany Hall where really rich 648 00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:18,060 guys would go. And then it also had some more low scale brothels known as Cribs where working 649 00:58:18,060 --> 00:58:23,000 class guys would go. And then it also had a bunch of taverns where alot of Jazz musicians 650 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,080 would hang out and so in the high end brothels they would hire professors that were piano 651 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:34,940 players like Jelly Roll Morton or Tony Jackson or Manuel Manetta to play parlor piano for 652 00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:40,460 the women as the men were coming in. So early Jazz and Blues was the soundtrack for the 653 00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:45,260 high end brothels. And then the taverns, they would have cutting contests all the time. 654 00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:51,260 Musicians like Sidney Bechet, King Oliver, Kid Ory, Louis Armstrong all started their 655 00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:56,920 early careers in these taverns learning the Blues and learning the early parts of Jazz. 656 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,680 >> Dean Alger: The twenties F Scott Fitzgerald dubbed The Jazz Age, and rather appropriately. 657 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,000 It was back then when the sexual revolution really started. The flappers with their short skirts and 658 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,870 wild parties and all that sort of stuff. And then we had another period of that 659 00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:14,730 in the 1960's. And of course, you had the Blues and Folk revival at that same time 660 00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:19,930 as well as Rock getting deeper and deeper. The Blues and Jazz really led to this 661 00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:24,580 opening up and this second stage of rejection of the old victorian order. 662 00:59:24,580 --> 00:59:29,440 >> Samantha Fish: It was the first genre to really push the envelope as far as sex goes 663 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,820 and people continued to do it from that point on. It being kind of the building block for music. 664 00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:38,120 It's probably the building block for sexualization in music. 665 00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:41,590 >> Debra Devi: In the Blues there's a lot of sexual signifying. I mean, we have just 666 00:59:41,590 --> 00:59:47,950 one metaphor after another for genetalia and for sex. All the Bessie Smith songs. 667 00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:53,270 I need a little sugar in my bowl. I need a hot dog in my roll. I gotta get my hambone boiled. 668 00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:56,010 These are all forms of, of good signifying. 669 00:59:56,010 --> 01:00:00,950 >> Anthony Gomes: They talked about sex and all sorts of things which basically society 670 01:00:00,950 --> 01:00:04,970 was ready to hear. But it was from an adult perspective. When the Beatles talk about 671 01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:10,310 I really wanna turn you on. Man, that was a big line. So the Blues was really, 672 01:00:10,310 --> 01:00:14,200 really gritty and in your face but it was for, for an adult audience. 673 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,840 >> Lance Williams: Blues comes across as course, gritty, it comes across as fairly 674 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:24,320 negative, and there are all these references to big legged women with the meat shaking on 675 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:30,300 their bones. It is a continuous theme, and I think that it is one of the things that 676 01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:37,800 caused polite society or mainstream society to feel comfortable. Because anytime you repress something, 677 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,040 the thought and the feeling doesn't go away. People have to find some kind of 678 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,880 other kind of outre way, if you will, of expressing what they're feeling. 679 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,660 >> Dean Alger: Part of it was Blues said, Loosen your girdle folks. Get back in touch with your 680 01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:55,440 deep feelings and stop being so damn repressed and all sorts of things could 681 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,620 flower and blossom in the arts, in what your feelings are and so on. 682 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,260 >> Hal Lansky: When Elvis appeared on Ed Sullivan he was gyrating his hips, people thought that 683 01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:06,320 was outlandish but, man you can do that in church now. 684 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,180 >> Hal Lansky: The Blues guys have created a style. They mighta, they mighta not known 685 01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:15,100 what they were doing, but they have created styles, they created music. 686 01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:16,840 It's just a whole lifestyle. 687 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,460 >> Samantha Fish: It seems like Blues players they just have swagger. You know, they've 688 01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:23,860 got that cool effortlessness about them and I think that Rock and Roll started taking 689 01:01:23,860 --> 01:01:27,480 from that. You know that kind of cool, effortless. Like the bad boy look. 690 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,640 >> Harry Weber: Heroes in anything whether it's sports or movies or music, they'll always 691 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,960 have the followers that'll look at it and say god I wanna be like that. 692 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,400 >> Anthony Gomes: There's an important distinction that needs to be made when we're talking about 693 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:45,900 Blues and fashion. In the sixties, there was two kinds of Blues. There was dirty Blues, 694 01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:54,540 and there was clean Blues. Ok, now dirty Blues was the real nasty Blues. Overalls, you know, 695 01:01:54,540 --> 01:02:00,400 guitar string out of tune. Sort of that perception of real raw and gritty. An example might be 696 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:07,220 somebody like RL Burnside. You know, real gritty, Mississippi. In that sort of fashion sense, 697 01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:12,760 you know maybe somebody like Jack White or somebody who's really into the retro old 698 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:18,480 rootsy, rustic kind of Blues thing. Then you have the clean Blues, which is BB King lets 699 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:24,740 say as an example. He dressed real clean because in those times, if you were an artist and 700 01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:29,360 you were and African American you had certain challenges. You had to present yourself in 701 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:35,160 the best manner, and most respectful manner, to be appreciated by society. Especially as 702 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,660 you played more integrated places. So that real clean Blues thing. You know the brimmed hat, 703 01:02:40,660 --> 01:02:46,320 the starched collar. Yes, that very much became the Blues. It all borrowed from that 704 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:52,100 clean, Sunday Best, and you know, you still see people, Bruno Mars today. 705 01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:57,040 I mean, it's like a Soul review BB King review kind of thing that he has going on. 706 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,620 >> Harry Weber: One time we got a pool of money together and we got John Lee Hooker 707 01:03:00,620 --> 01:03:05,900 to come play for us, all night, and all he wanted was a couple hundred bucks and a 708 01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:11,500 bottle of Jack Daniels. And he showed up in the grubbiest clothes you've ever seen with a 709 01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:17,700 pork pie hat, smoking camels, and playing terrific music. I don't think anybody would 710 01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:22,540 follow that fashion, you know, even though we tried. The same token about the same time 711 01:03:22,540 --> 01:03:27,400 Chuck Berry was going through the roof in terms of popularity. He was starting Rock and Roll. 712 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,820 And, as we did with the statue of Chuck down on Delmar, the early Rock and Rollers 713 01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:38,260 that came out of Blues, dressed formally. They came out in tuxedos. This was special time, 714 01:03:38,260 --> 01:03:42,000 this was performance time and they dressed to the nines. So on one hand you got 715 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,520 John Lee Hooker showing up in eight day old clothes that smelled that way. On the other hand you get 716 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,760 Chuck Berry that's out there in a tuxedo. They both had an audience. 717 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,880 >> Hal Lansky: There's a young kid looking in the windows and my dad invited this young man in. 718 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,380 He said, Come on in young man, let me show you around. And this young man, you know, 719 01:03:58,390 --> 01:04:02,150 my dad said he had greasy hair, he had a little duck back and uh, the young man said, 720 01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:06,900 Mr Lansky, I don't have any money, but one of these days I'm gonna come in here and buy you out. 721 01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,860 And my dad said, Young man, don't buy me out just buy from me and this young man 722 01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:14,220 turned out to be the future King of Rock and Roll Elvis Presley. And that's where the 723 01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:18,340 African Americans shopped and they wanted to come there. On Saturday mornings we were 724 01:04:18,340 --> 01:04:23,040 so busy because everybody had to have a new outfit, a new pair of shoes, a new cap 725 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,340 to go out on Saturday night. They wanted to look sharp. 726 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:37,060 >> Jim O'Neal: Blues has become a, a tourism element in Chicago, and in Memphis on Beale Street. 727 01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:40,760 That's a long time claim to Memphis being the home of the Blues. 728 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:47,820 >> Theo Dasbach: When I came to America, for the very very first time, I landed in Memphis. 729 01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:55,680 And when I came to Memphis in 1978, at Beale Street, all these buildings were blocked off, empty. 730 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,360 There were two clubs open in the New Daisy Theater at night. There were two guys 731 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:05,260 sitting with a guitar, you know, and that was it. I went to the Sun studio building. 732 01:05:05,260 --> 01:05:12,420 That was exactly what I say. It was a building. Empty. I went to the Stax building. 733 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:17,720 Satellite Records. I wanted to see that. That was a building that fell apart completely. 734 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:23,500 Now, it's thriving. There's been a revitalization in Memphis already going on since the eighties. 735 01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:27,880 So I see that improvement what music tourism does for a community. 736 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:34,040 >> Jimbo Mathus: Mississippi has come a long way in grasping its own heritage and culture. 737 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,560 The past twenty years have seen great improvements in them putting up the historical markers 738 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,180 to the Blues musicians in their cities. Developing a Blues tourism. 739 01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:47,700 Mississippi needs any help it can get to get any economy going. 740 01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,920 >> Theo Dasbach: When we got here this whole street was empty buildings. Now there's a 741 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,780 store down there, there's an Art Music Gallery next door. Someone from Franklin invested 742 01:05:55,780 --> 01:06:00,780 in the building across the street and there's gonna be apartments in there so. You see that 743 01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:06,360 impact of the Blues tourism. We came here because we thought we wanted to be part of 744 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:11,300 the revitalization. I personally came here for the Blues Music. 745 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:24,220 >> Watermelon Slim: You Know that Sixty One highway... That's the longest road I know. 746 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,940 >> Bill Lucke When Morgan Freeman and I got to be good friends in the mid nineties, 747 01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:37,640 He started noticing some of the things I hadn't really been paying particular attention to. 748 01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,040 That is, all these tourists walking around town just sort of looking. Asking questions 749 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:47,680 like where can we hear live Blues Music? Where was so and so buried? Where was Ike Turner born? 750 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,140 And I felt over time, and so did Morgan, a need to preserve this genre by answering 751 01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:59,000 at least one question, where can we hear live Blues Music? So we opened this club in 752 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:07,900 May of 2001 to have a good venue with consistently played, performed, live Blues music. 753 01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:11,860 We sort of fill that need. That demand, for the tourists. 754 01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:16,400 >> Theo Dasbach: We have a lot of history here in Clarksdale. People were born here 755 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:22,120 like John Lee Hooker, Sam Cooke, Little Junior Parker, Lil Green. And of course, Muddy Waters 756 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:27,220 grew up here. So we have a lot of big names in the music Blues world and Soul world who 757 01:07:27,220 --> 01:07:34,300 came from here. So, it's logical that we would go for the tourism. Tourism of course means money. 758 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,300 We love this music but it's also very important that tourists come here, because 759 01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:45,300 if they have a wonderful time, and they will becasue we have a fantastic music scene here; 760 01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:49,620 they will stay a couple of days. They will spend some money in the restaurants and that means jobs. 761 01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:52,720 >> Bill Lucket: I think we could sell the dirt here frankly, and in fact, I've got our 762 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,000 manager looking in to doing just that. 763 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,160 >> Jim O'Neal: The Mississippi Blues Trail was started by an organization called the 764 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,700 Mississippi Blues Commission, started by the state of Mississippi, in recognition of that 765 01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:07,720 fact that there were so many people already coming to Mississippi, just on their own, to go 766 01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,580 to CLarksdale and Greenville and the Blues Festivals; to visit grave sites; to take pictures 767 01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:16,140 of the highway signs. You know, you used to always see tourists taking pictures of the 768 01:08:16,140 --> 01:08:22,020 sign that says Yazoo City or Highway 61. It was an economic move, of course, to promote tourism. 769 01:08:22,020 --> 01:08:27,800 But it was also, I think an important statement by the state of Mississippi that, 770 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:33,080 this Black Music which was Neglected for so long and which was actually generated by some 771 01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:38,400 of the oppressive conditions in Mississippi, is something that should be celebrated and honored. 772 01:08:39,460 --> 01:08:47,960 >> Sharon Lewis: If you want my lovin, if you really do. 773 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:58,580 Don't be afraid, my baby, ask for it. Cause you know I'm gonna give it to you 774 01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:07,020 >> Sharon Lewis: I think Blues Music is Powerful because it tells the journey of a culture. 775 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:14,000 A culture that America has shaped, whether they admit it or not. 776 01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:19,820 >> Patricia Shroeder: I also think the power of the Blues has to do with the fundamental honesty. 777 01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:24,880 What I love, maybe most about it, is an absolute lack of sentimentality. There 778 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,380 can be love stories. There can even be good love stories. But there's never any sentiment. 779 01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:33,320 It's this is the way it is and I gotta get through it somehow. 780 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,320 And I think that's a very powerful message. 781 01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,000 >> Debra Devi: When we see the great Blues Artists, they're open channels. They're just 782 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:45,500 like wide open, and it's pouring through them, and that's why we get moved and we get incredibly excited. 783 01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:49,560 That's why I think Gospel and Blues just get people up off their feet. And you 784 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:55,200 can't explain it but it's about soul. And it's about this experience that as human beings 785 01:09:55,200 --> 01:10:00,280 we're all striving for, you know. So that's why I think it's so powerful and so important 786 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,780 and why we're so incredibly lucky to have it. 787 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:08,400 >> Samantha Fish: It's sexuality, it's pain, it's anger. There's so much in it. The delivery 788 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,940 is all about honesty. That's why I think it's powerful because you can't phone it in. 789 01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:16,800 If you phone it in no one's gonna buy it. Nobody believes it. So, to be a good performer 790 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,680 at that kind of music, you have to really put everything you have into it and, that's what 791 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:27,280 drew me to it. Just seeing people play it and really living it and believing it and putting it out there. 792 01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:33,540 >> Terence Blanchard: It's a very interesting thing, the power of that music because it 793 01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:43,260 was born out of this very passionate and powerful need to express something to the world. 794 01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:50,300 And to try to find some solace or, try to find some, uh, answers, frankly. 795 01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:55,500 >> Vencie Vernado: It's about love. It's about shortages. It's about pain. It's about 796 01:10:55,500 --> 01:11:03,420 death. It's about gains. It's about losses. It deals at the core of human emotion. 797 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:16,160 >> Dick Waterman: There was a time when Billboards calibrating airplay and kind of sales and everything. 798 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,680 Blues had five percent of the market. Five percent of the market. 799 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:29,020 Blues now has an unchartable small number. It isn't anything. It's not one percent. It's less. 800 01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:33,620 >> Curtis Salgado: It's not massively popular anymore. I'm afraid it's gonna go the way 801 01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:38,719 of like Dixieland. I love Dixieland but it's a novelty now. 802 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,600 >> Jimbo Mathus: The Blues is forgotten now, you know, in some places. It's remembered 803 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:50,060 in others and it lives still in pockets of America and that's where the future of it will arise. 804 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,640 >> Curtis Salgado: Music now is like fast foods. It's even faster. Now everybody and 805 01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,100 their dog can make a record. You can make a record in your apartment with just the right 806 01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:05,620 tools and that's really good on one hand. On the other hand, it makes a lot of crap 807 01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:12,100 out there and you have to, you have to kind of go through the crap to find the real good stuff. 808 01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:16,720 Somebody with talent. Somebody that actually is putting out something meaningful. 809 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:22,040 >> Jimbo Mathus: As far as what's going on now in 2014, there's no hope man. It's gone over the abyss. 810 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:27,160 The music is simply made of formulas, creating money, to feed in to the pipeline. 811 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,240 That's what's being bought and sold. 812 01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:34,900 >> Dick Waterman: Who's after BB? Who follows BB? Well, nobody really. 813 01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:38,640 >> Danielle Schnebelen: I hear, you know, keep the Blues alive. It's not dead. People 814 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,720 don't understand that it is alive and well and just because the older generation is 815 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,440 getting older, you know, that's life. That's what happens. And it's our responsibility 816 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:52,100 to keep it going because of what people went through just to be able to play it and write it and express it. 817 01:12:52,620 --> 01:12:55,820 >> Theo Dasbach: It's very alive in Europe. You see that in my country where I'm originally 818 01:12:55,820 --> 01:13:00,420 from, the Netherlands, has now a Dutch Blues foundation. I think it's their third year. 819 01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:04,600 That's based on what the Blues Foundation here does in America. A lot of people say 820 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,000 the Blues is dying out and I'll say, no it will never die out, it never did so, 821 01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,640 that already is a proven fact. 822 01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:19,880 >> Samantha Fish: Gone, Gone, Gone. You've gone I know, baby so long. You've gone I know 823 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:26,860 this time I gotta hold on. Thank God you're gone for good. 824 01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:32,800 >> Samantha Fish: There's a lot of young people coming up playing it. I know people worry 825 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,320 about the future of the Blues. You know, the fans aren't gonna be there. I just think 826 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,460 it takes people to a certain age, to find it. I didn't grow up listening to it. 827 01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:44,790 I had to find it on my own. I just think it takes people time to find it. I don't think 828 01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:49,290 it's going anywhere. It hasn't gone anywhere. Every once in a while, you know, it gets pushed 829 01:13:49,290 --> 01:13:53,090 into the mainstream by some kind of mixing with another genre or something to kind of 830 01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:57,130 put it out in the forefront again. You know, you hear bands like Jack White and the Black Keys. 831 01:13:57,130 --> 01:14:00,950 They bring it to the forefront. They listen to Blues Music and, it's kind of where 832 01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:03,080 they started out. So I mean, I don't think it's going anywhere. 833 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,160 I think it's gonna stand the test of time. It has so far. 834 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:12,220 >> Lance Williams: The Blues has not gone away. It's taken different forms. Some people 835 01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:18,340 have shied away from the Blues because they feel like the Blues, in their mind, represents 836 01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:23,760 things that they'd rather forget about. But the essence of the Blues is still in church. 837 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:29,420 The essence of the Blues is still in the music that African Americans appreciate now. 838 01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:32,560 All musics undergo generational evolution. 839 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,000 >> Cheney Sims: I think that there's this huge revival right now of Americana music 840 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,920 and Folk music which is really exciting. I think that Blues still gets alittle bit lost 841 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,760 in the fray of that and isn't defined as such. Even though we have Artists like the 842 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:52,040 Carolina Chocolate Drops, which, they do Gaelic music to Bluegrass to straight Blues to also songs 843 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:57,480 that are inspired by their experience. You know, people like the Lumineers and the Civil Wars, 844 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:02,560 and, you know, there's a whole laundry list of groups who are doing, um, the same 845 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:08,120 type of stuff that Heritage Blues Orchestra is doing which is focusing on, on our roots, 846 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:14,220 and playing homage to the music that we came from but also putting our take and our story 847 01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:19,520 and our spin on it. Um, which is what the Blues is all about. It's about telling your story. 848 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,180 >> Bill Sims Jr: It's getting better but it has become a guitar oriented genre, you know, 849 01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:29,680 when it's really a vocal tradition. The telling of a story. You have people who don't even 850 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:35,160 sing who are considered Blues Men, you know. And in the old days, when African Americans 851 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,180 had the quality control, you had to sing. If you didn't sing you were a sideman. 852 01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:43,940 >> Harry Weber: I think the future is simply gonna be one of two things. Preservation, 853 01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:49,040 and then, let it evolve into various forms of Jazz, and, by the way, evolve into various 854 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,940 forms of Jazz that will then become tomorrows Classical Music. 855 01:15:52,940 --> 01:15:55,780 And I think thats, that's definitely in the cards. 856 01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:01,260 >> Lance Williams: Time moves on, and, these days, it moves on at warp speed. 857 01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:04,940 And so if you look at what's happening with the Blues, I can honestly tell you that there 858 01:16:04,940 --> 01:16:10,180 are some very very talented musicians who, if they're not saying I'm playing the Blues, 859 01:16:10,180 --> 01:16:16,720 they're certainly using the essence of the Blues to voice their particular passion about the music. 860 01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:20,960 >> Debra Devi: There are artists like Gary Clark Jr and the North Mississippi Allstars 861 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,480 who are kind of reinvigorating the Blues for a younger generation. 862 01:16:25,489 --> 01:16:29,229 >> Junior Mack: Blues is something that, that never really goes away. You know, like a wave 863 01:16:29,229 --> 01:16:33,749 in the ocean. It rises and then it falls and it rises and then it falls. There have been 864 01:16:33,749 --> 01:16:39,609 periods of time where the Blues wasn't popular, or as popular as it was years ago. But, when 865 01:16:39,609 --> 01:16:44,080 you look at commercials on television and you look at other things that you see in the media, 866 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,660 there's a real strong Blues influence there. But, you may go to a Blues club 867 01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:54,920 to see a Blues artist and the place may be half full. I think that the Blues will gradually 868 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,880 build itself back up again and it'll probably wane again and build itself back up again. 869 01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,100 Cause that's, uh, pretty much what it's been doing. 870 01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:05,340 >> Bill Sims Jr: Selfishly I think Heritage Blues Orchestra is the Future of the Blues. 871 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:16,480 >> Heritage Blues Trio: Get right church and lets go home. Get right church and lets go home. 872 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:26,560 Get right church. Get right church. Get right church and lets go home. 873 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:41,880 I'm goin home on the morning train. I'm going home on the morning train. I'm going home. I'm going home. 874 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:46,800 I'm going home on the morning train. 875 01:17:46,800 --> 01:18:02,040 The evening train may be too late. Well, the evening train may be too late. The evening train. The evening train. 876 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:07,200 The evening train may be too late. 877 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:17,240 Back Back hearse and get your load. You better Back back hearse and get your load. 878 01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:27,400 Back back hearse. Back Back Hearse. Back Back hearse and get your load. 879 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:37,360 Get right church and let's go home. Well, Get right church and let's go home. 880 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:47,520 Get right church. Get right church. Get right church and let's go home. 881 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:57,720 I'm going home on the morning train. Well I'm going home on the morning train. 882 01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:10,360 I'm going home. I'm going home. I'm going home on the morning train. 883 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:49,680 >> Brian Curran: Aw Glory Glory, Hallelujia, when I lay my burden down. Ah Glory Glory, Hallelujia, 884 01:19:49,680 --> 01:20:03,680 when I lay my burden down. Ain't no more sickness, no more sorrow, when I lay my burden down. 885 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:13,120 Ain't no more sickness, no more sorrow, when I lay my burden down. 886 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:27,680 All my troubles, will be over, when I lay my burden down. All my troubles, will be over, 887 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:32,000 when I lay my burden down. 888 01:20:50,840 --> 01:21:00,320 I'm going home to, live with Jesus, when I lay my burden down. 889 01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:12,400 I'm going home to, live with Jesus, when I lay my burden down. My burden down lord, 890 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:28,880 burden down lord. When I lay my burden down. Aw Glory Glory, Hallelujah, when I lay my burden down. 891 01:21:47,080 --> 01:22:01,440 I'm gonna sit here with the angels, when I lay my burden down. I'm gonna sit here with the angels 892 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:24,160 when I lay my burden down. I'm going home to live with Jesus, when I lay my burden down. 893 01:22:42,680 --> 01:23:01,520 All my troubles, will be over, when I lay my burden down. All my troubles, will be over, when I lay my burden down. 894 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:19,680 Oh Glory Glory Hallelujia, when I lay my burden down. Oh Glory Glory Hallelujia, when I lay my burden down. 895 01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:02,200 Lay My Burden Down. Thank you so much! 105610

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