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(Field Hollar)
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>> Field Hollar: When I make my 50 cent lord
I carry it home to Rosie.
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Come on here old mule. Whoo hoo hoo hoo hoo lordy lord
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>> President Barack Obama: This is music
with humble beginnings. Roots in slavery
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and segregation. A society that rarely treated
black Americans with the dignity and respect
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that they deserve. The Blues bore witness
to these hard times, and like so many of the
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men and women who sang them, the Blues refused
to be limited by the circumstances
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of their birth.
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>> Big George Brock: I can be sick, and I'll
hit the bandstand and I don't feel no pain.
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I don't feel no pain until after I get through
playin. And then when I get through playing,
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I'll start back to hurting.
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>> Leo Bud Welch: Sometimes I be sittin around feelin sad. I start hummin on an old Blues song
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and it looked like life just popped
up back in me.
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That's what the Blues do for me. I don't know what they do for anybody
else.
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>> Big George Brock: Well I'm You're Hoochie
Coochie Man. Now Everybody knows I'm here.
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>> Big George Brock: The Blues comes from the way that the black people were treated in the South.
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You had no other choice but to sing
the Blues. You didn't know. You didn't know
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nothing else to sing that the white folks
didn't understand.
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>> Field Hollar: Old Alabama join us...
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(Field Hollar)
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>> Leo Bud Welch: I'd be sitting on the porch playing the acoustic guitar, and he tell my daddy say,
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'You better stop that boy from playin that guitar and, and put him in the field cuz grass gonna
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take your cotton and your corn'. I wouldn't care if it did cuz we wasn't getting nothing out of it no way.
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And he'd come by, and I'd be setting there
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Baby Please Don't Go. Baby Please Don't Go
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He'd look at me. He'd go and tell me dad "Crumb you get that boy in the field.
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Sitting there playing that old guitar on the porch.
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He need to be at work.
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And when I worked, I had worked for Fifty Cents a day.
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Fifty little old cents.
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>> Janice Monti: The Blues has been disrespected in the pantheon of American Cultural products
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and that is a great travesty but it is also
understandable because you cannot understand
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the Blues unless you understand race in America.
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And we don't like to talk about Race in America.
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That's the last taboo. If we are going to understand the Blues we have to understand
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what created the Blues and we still do not
want to confront that.
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>> Houston Baker: The urban legend now is
that we are in a post racial post black society,
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and that's signified by the election of Barrack Obama.
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There's a lot of trouble with this notion of post raciality, color bllindness.
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The kind of soothing stories that I think people, black and white, tell themselves,
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in order to avoid the blunt, brute, finally inescapable confrontation
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with the horrors of this country that have proceeded under the auspicies of racialization, racism,
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ruthless brutality against millions of people from as far back as we can trace things.
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>> Harry Weber: I really think I have a clearer
view of what it was like to witness segregation
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now than when I actually witnessed it. And
one of the things I realized is that I didn't
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witness segregation. Segregation was in fact a Fact and consequently I didn't have any contact
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with people were in fact not playing
guitars. And now, I have a full appreciation
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of how bad it was then.
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>> Bill Lucke This railroad track right
here separated Black Clarksdale from White
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Clarksdale. We're right on the track right
here with Ground Zero Blues Club. And,
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When I was a child, this city was totally segregated.
It was rare that anybody really ventured across
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to live or even to shop. Some did to work
but that was sort of the extent of it.
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>> Theo Dasbach: When the Black people were
working here on the fields in the 30's and the 40's
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Then of course it got mechanized .
And When it got mechanized, you got tractors and
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cotton picking machines and stuff. You still
see them now.
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And that means the jobs were suddenly gone.
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>> Jimbo Mathus: What do you see when you
drive in the Delta? Cotton.
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How many people does it take to make cotton man? Just a handful.
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They've got the big machines to do it now.
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All the people that were brought there to deal with the cotton, are just sitting up there with nothing to do man.
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>> Jim O'Neal: It didn't happen right away.
Some people think that when the mechanical
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cotton was introduced to the Hopson Plantation
near Clarksdale and then everybody moved away
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because they didn't have jobs, but it took
a decade or more for that process to really happen but
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gradually the need for workers
became less and there were no jobs for the
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people who had been working the fields. And
at the same time there were jobs in Chicago,
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particularly during World War II.
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>> David Dee: We were sharecropping, and when
I got about 11 years old, we get a settlement
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and we come out owing some money. What my
mom did, she went and talked to the boss
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about borrowing some money to get us some Christmas clothes.
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See at Christmas time, that's around harvest time.
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But, instead of we get clothes,
we headed to Saint Louis. Left the mule and the wagon
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on the side of the street and we
got on the bus. And we caught the bus to Saint Louis
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>> Theo Dasbach: They migrated to, Where are
the jobs? So many many people from the Delta
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moved to Chicago and Detroit. John Lee Hooker
is an example who went to Detroit from here.
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>> Jim O'Neal: Chicago was the Promised land
where you could escape some of the southern racism
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and have a better life.
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Drew a lot of people away from the South, to Chicago and Saint Louis and Detroit.
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>> Big George Brock: I left Mississippi for
better opportunity.
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I used to play the Blues where the Black people had to get over behind the wall.
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White people sit out there in the audience and we played and had the speakers out where they could hear us
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but we wasn't allowed to come over in the audience where the white people was
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>> David Dee: Once you left Mississippi, Uh,
the segregation wasn't as bad up here.
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But it was still that way.
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>> Jimbo Mathus: Growing up in Mississippi,
you know, you got white folks and black folks.
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They integrate on certain levels, but the
music thing was not appreciated, man.
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When I was growing up in the 70's, nobody knew
about the Blues
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even though the Rolling Stones had been named after the Blues.
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Even though John Lee Hooker had infected so many people with his Boogie Blues
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and created Rock and Roll music
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people in Mississippi did not appreciate it.
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>> Bill Lucke Slowly, that railroad track
has become, uh, nothing but a railroad track.
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It's not a marker now for black and white.
We're a fully integrated city.
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And I have to credit Blues Music with a lot of that unification of this town.
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>> Theo Dasbach: In Europe, most of the African
American Blues Musicians, who would come there
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durign the American Folk Fest, you know they
were kind of ambassadors of that music of America
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And, to be honest, we love that stuff
up there.
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>> Stan Street: Alot of the musicians had
to go to Europe where they were judged
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as equals or put on a pedestal
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where in America a lot of times they were judged, you know, by their color, and kinda used.
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>> Jimmi Mayes: Cats like Junior Wells and
Buddy Guy they was the only ones keeping Blues alive
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until it went overseas, until the Rolling
Stones and all that started doing the Blues.
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The Stones wouldn't wouldn't come to Chicago
without going to Howlin' Wolf's house.
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>> Keith Richards: Well When we first started
playing together we wanted to play the Blues and
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Howlin wolf was one of our greatest idols
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and it's a great pleasure to finally get him booked on this show tonight it really is.
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>> Mick Jagger: Thanks for having us
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>> Keith Richards: Now I think It's about
time we shut up and we had Howlin' Wolf on stage
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>> Jimmy O'Neal: Yeah I agree Ok, Lets bring
him our. Howlin Wolf'. Bring him out
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>> Jimmy Mayes: Everybody would go to Peppers and go to Teresa's that's where Junior Wells would hang out.
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And that's where everybody
would be. But these white guys, they would come
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and go to them same joints. They couldn't wait
to get to Chicago, and hang out with the Blues Cats
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>> Gil Cook: We are incapable, it seems like,
a lot of the times, of valuing Black Art,
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As it is. It always has to under undergo this mainstreaming process.
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>> Janice Monti: Blues is not taught in the
schools. You know, come February Black History Month
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we're gonna talk about the Great Migration,
we might play a little bit of Ma Rainey and then
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move on to the next, but
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it's not woven into the fabric and into the in which we teach American History American History.
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>> Morgan Freeman: I don't want a Black
History month. Black History is American History.
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>> Lance Williams: The Blues is ingrained
in the history of America.
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And its important to tell the story the way that it actually has occurred.
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>> Janice Monti: When we teach history, when we teach about culture, we have to teach the whole story.
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And that's not just about slavery
and Jim Crow and the injustice but it's also about
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respecting and legitimizing this great
musical tradition.
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>> Dick Waterman: Blues in the school might
be something and a nice idea,
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but it doesn't really transform itself in a way, that you
can be optimistic that Blues Music
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is going to expand as these school kids get older.
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>> Janice Monti: Not just Blues in the schools
and teaching the kids to play 'Stormy Monday'
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on five dollar harmonicas but it's about bringing
this into the history curriculum,
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the social studies curriculum, the arts, the humanities
curriculum as well.
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>> Harry Weber: I think its important for
future generations to understand the history of anything
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And if in fact Blues is an accurate representation of the emotional realities of being human,
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that's sure a worthy history
topic.
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>> Lance Williams: It's important that the
music be seen in its importance, and the fact that
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it is part of the Heritage and the legacy
of the African American experience and the
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kinds of challenges that African Americans
have gone through, continue to go through,
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and it's also a celebration of the great things
that have happened.
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>> Debra Devi: Encoded in the Blues are not
only the ethics and aesthetics
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that I talk about in my book but a large chunk of the
history of this country.
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People who's history was not being written in the history books is told in the songs
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that they sing and that they wrote and that they left us.
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>> Janice Monti: Here we are in the Chicago
area in the Home of the Blues and we don't
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recognize it, we don't give it the legitimacy
that it deserves.
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There is no journal of Blues studies as there is for Jazz for instance.
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>> Theo Dasbach: Young people should know
that America's Music came from this form of Art
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and when they start listenign they will
find out, oh this is part of my culture
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>> Stan Street: It's a part of history that
is important and it's real, you know,
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and it's what has made America America. It's American
Music.
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>> Theo Dasbach: Without Blues, I mean literally it would be a total different landscape in Musical America.
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>> Kim Massie: It has paved the way for where
we are now and we can always
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reach back and grab that Blues and, we can make that thing go anywhere and do anything with it
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and make it real.
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>> Kim Massie: At Last, my love has come along.
My lonely days'
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>> Big George Brock: You can change the song,
you can change the sound, but when you get
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through changing it it all boils down it
still comes from the Blues.
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>> Vencie Vernado: It is the foundation for
all music that comes out of America;
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Be it Country and Western, Be it Rock and Roll,
Be it R&B, Be it Pop, Be it whatever it is,
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It will find it's roots in the Blues.
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>> Bill Lucke Blues Music is the granddaddy
of them all. I'm sure you've heard the expression
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'Blues had a baby they named it Rock and Roll'
but Blues music is the Root Music
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for virtually every modern music form, even Hip Hop, Rhythm and Blues of course, Soul, Rock and Roll,
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all those names of Musical Genres evolved
from Blues Music.
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>> Lance Williams: The Blues is the Mother
Music to so much of the music that we listen to
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on a regular basis on the radio, and so
as a result of that, the impact is pervasive
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>> Greg Johnson: A lot of time, you know,
the record industry likes to separate different
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musical forms into different styles, but the
connections, you know the dividing lines
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between what's Blues what's Jazz what's Country what's Rock, there's a lot of grey area
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>> Leo Bud Welch: The Blues is talking about
life. And the gospel is
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telling us how Jesus Christ was when he was on the Earth.
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A lot of em' talk about, "Oh you better read your Bible. Them old Blues. That's that Devil's music.
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And, if you making the money you spending the Devil's money.'" They'd do it too if they could they just can't do it.
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If they can't do what I do, I feel sorry for em'. And I
tell em, don't get mad, at my boys,
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if you boogie don't ride like mine.
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>> Big George Brock: That was the holy music.
In church. The people didn't have no guitars
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back in the day, they just clapped their hands
and sang, pat their foot, and they call it.
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But when we added the guitar and the drums
and the horns and all that to it,
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then it was the Blues.
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>> Terence Blanchard: What separated the music
was, musically they were singing the same thing,
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but, some people were singing to their
lord, and other people,
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were signing about their woman. You know what I mean? But, stylistically the music was the same.
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>> Houston Baker: Blues was salvation. Blues
was motivation. In Louisville in the 1950's
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which is when I grew up in Louisville. The
organist we had played at the Top Hat on Saturday night
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and played in church on Sunday. Sometimes
when the preacher was saying the most reverential
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of prayers, she would forget where she was.
And, the music would do a crossover.
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>> Terence Blanchard: I was at a church in
LA one time with my cousin, and I actually
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started counting. I went, 'wait a minute'. He was singing the 12 bar Blues while he was
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really preaching, you know? Just like
a Blues singer. I said, OK,
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here comes the turnaraound. Ok there it is. Alright cool.
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>> Lance Williams: The linkage of specifically
Gospel music occurs first, during the slave era.
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The slaves utilized the opportunity to
be in a religious setting, to create songs
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that, many of which, had double meanings.
Many of these songs for example,
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were songs that on the face of it were about going to
heaven, but many of them had codes for
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where the underground railroad was coming. Or that,
tonight we're going to cross the river, and
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this will take us on the train to freedom.
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>> Gil Cook: It's an inclination towards,
wanting to know that what I'm seeing and feeling,
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personally, like others out there relate to
that and connect to that. So that's what I'm seeking.
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So that's what the music does. That's
what the field hollers did. Right.
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We were talking to each other. Sometimes we were just
bull shittin'. Sometimes we were just, you know,
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but sometimes were were on some like,
'Hey, these are the coordinates.'
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>> Field Hollar: No More, My Laud...
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>> Lance Williams: This activity is formalized
into what we know as Gospel music from the
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commercial sense, the recording sense, with
a man by the name of Thomas A Dorsey.
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Thomas A Dorsey was part of a Blues duo, Georgia Tom
and Tampa Red.
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And at some point, both of them had their come to Jesus moment, and for Georgia Tom,
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it caused him to utilize what he had learned as a Blues Musician,
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into the rudimentary formation of what we know as Gospel Music.
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>> Lance Williams: If you listen to someone
like Aretha Franklin. If you substitute
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'My Lord' for 'Oh Baby' or 'Oh Jesus' for 'That
Man' often you can really get a sense of the kind of
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interrelationship that we would say
Gospel and secular music have.
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>> Dean Alger: There's a guy names "Big Eye"
Nelson Delisle who was a clarinet player
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way back in the 1890's and early 1900's. He said
'Blues is what caused the fellas to start Jazzin'
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>> Theo Dasbach: Jazz and Blues, was also,
in the beginning, in the 20's, more or less
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the same. It was connected. You see, if you're
talking about Jazz then you see that there's
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a lot of Blues in Jazz. I mean, even in the
titles of it, whether it's John Coltrane or
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Miles Davis or what. Blues went this way,
and Jazz went that way. They still were connected,
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but Jazz, we also say, that's more instrumental.
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>> Terence Blanchard: I've never really thought
of them as being separate things. I know
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that we have this tradition of Blues and this
tradition of Jazz now and they kinda like
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exist in these different worlds. But I look
at Jazz as being an extension of the Blues.
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You Know. It all, was created out of suffering;
out of a need to express oneself. You know
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and, uh, the Blues form itself, there were many
different forms, but when it widdled down
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to the twelve bar form, it became of those
standard forms that musicians can all build careers on.
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>> Deal Alger: Jazz came in part from Ragtime.
It came in part from the March Music
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which was so prominent in New Orleans. But also,
the Blues grew up in New Orleans.
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Now a lot of Blues Writers think the Blues came from
the Delta area of Mississippi.
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The more I investigated this, I'm inclined to think that
the Blues actually was born in New Orleans
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not in Mississippi. The Blues came from Levy
workers, and think about the ultimate music city
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in the 1890's and think of all the kinds
of things that were coming through New Orleans,
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which was the number one port at that time.
And you have Jelly Roll Morton saying,
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when he was like five or six, he heard the Blues.
And you had Bunk Johnson, who played the Blues.
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You had Joe King Oliver. When he made his original
Creole Jazz Band recordings from Chicago 1923,
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half of them were, the Blues. The Blues was
alive in the early 1890's in New Orleans.
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So that, really, was what gave the soulfulness,
the grit, the depth, to Jazz.
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>> Greg Johnson: Musicians in New Orleans,
would have heard the music from the Mississippi
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and Arkansas Deltas, and vice versa, because
of the Mississippi River connecting
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these two geographic areas. So musicians down in
New Orleans, developing Jazz Musicians,
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would have heard these Blues sounds, and musicians
in the Delta would have heard these developing
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Jazz sounds. So the typical narrative says
that Blues developed first, and it influenced Jazz.
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That may not necessarily be the case.
I think both of these forms are developing
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at the same time, and they're kind of both
mutually influencing one another.
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>> Louis Armstrong: Now Ladies and Gentleman,
here's one you all can sing with us,
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When the Saints go Marching In.
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>> Dean Alger: Louis Armstrong was the one
who really brought it out to almost everybody.
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The sheer magnitude of Louis Armstrong's humanity,
and the absolute genius of this guy,
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appealed to people, and he grinned a lot. But the fact
is people could embrace him and they increasingly
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loved this guy, and Louis played the Blues.
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>> Greg Johnson: One of the best introductions
to the Blues Aesthetic, what Blues really means
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was written by Albert Murray. It's a
book called stomping the Blues.
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And he talks about Blues but from a Jazz framework. I mean, he'll talk more about Ellington than he will
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all of the musicians from the delta combined.
But he sees Jazz as part of a Blues continuum.
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>> Lance Williams: Blues is the foundation
of Jazz. And, I don't know of a successful
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Jazz legend that doesn't have half his reperotoire
as being Blues or Blues based music.
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Just name me somebody. You know, whether it's Louie
Armstrong or Wynton Marsalis.
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>> Dean Alger: Blues affected Country Music
from early on. Go way back to the original guys.
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Jimmie Rodgers, Father of Country Music,
he was playing the Blues. He learned a lot of that
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from an old Black man in Meridian
Mississippi and along the railroad lines that he worked
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>> Greg Johnson: Many of his songs, are Blues
in structure. They have an A A B rhyme scheme
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that you find in a lot of Blues. They have
a twelve bar Blues Harmonic Progression.
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They even have the word Blues in the title.
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>> Jim O'Neal: The Founder of Country Music
as he's called was
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very Blues oriented in a lot of his songs. He did Blue Yodels.
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>> Jimmy Rodgers: Teeeeeee For Texas, T For
Tennessee eeeeee...
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>> Jimbo Mathus: There's Jimmie Rodgers doin
the Blues man. Introducing all this Blues.
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Here goes Hank Williams in Alabama, learning
Blues from Teetot. He wanted to sound like
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Ernest Tubb and Teetot, you know. It's like, There
you go.
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>> Danielle Schnebelen: Otis Taylor tells
this story about how the Banjo actually originated
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in Africa. So that kind of speaks volumes
for Bluegrass and all of the, what is, you know
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kind of Country today. It just, you
can see how it all stems from the Blues.
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>> Greg Johnson: A lot of people they look
at Bluegrass and they're seeing the Banjo
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and they just. They think America immediately.
But the Banjo comes right out of Africa as do
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many string instruments. The guitar developed,
in some level, out of the lute. That kind of
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developed out of the oud. O U D it's a
middle eastern string instrument. That developed
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from several other string instruments that
came out of northern Africa. I mean if we
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go back far enough we're gonna find that everything
comes out of Africa. I mean, look at mitochonrial DNA.
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>> Jim O'Neal: Bill Monroe learned from a
Black artist in Kentucky names Arnold Schultz.
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Those stories are common among Country Musicians
about, you know, how they were inspired
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in their early years by Blues Musicians.
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>> Jim O'Neal: We think of Rhythm and Blues
as one thing but I think, originally, it was supposed to
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encompass two different things.
It was the Rhythm music of the Jump and Jive bands
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and it was the Blues. Just like there
was County Music and their was Western Music;
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Cowboy Songs. Originally they were two separate
genres combined into one term.
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>> Jimmi Mayes: It was called Rhythm and Blues. That Simple. Then they dropped the Blues and called it R & B.
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Then it went from R & B to
Soul. Now it's all back. It's all back.
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>> Anthony Gomes: In that era, Blues was called
Rhythm and Blues. Out of that, in the sixties,
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evolved what we know as Rhythm and Blues today
which is Motown. And when that change happened,
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Rhythm and Blues as BB King or Little Milton
or people of that sort just became known as Blues.
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BB Jokes that they lost the Rhythm
somewhere along the way.
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>> Tom Graves: What we had happen was a melding
of those Delta styles with the jumping Swing Band stuff.
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How do you merge those two things together. Well, they decided to come up with a term called
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Rhythm and Blues. It was a little
jumpier, a little faster, a little more you could dance to
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And for a long time R&B or
Rhythm and Blues on the Jukebox is how you would see
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Race Music or Black Music defined.
Well, alot of white people started switching over
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and listening to some of those songs.
One of those people was Alan Freed the Disk Jockey.
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He thought Rhythm and Blues was something
that might turn off as many people as it turned on.
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So he started looking around for a term
that he thought could hook the teenage audience.
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And he came up with a term that was widely
used in Blues called Rock and Roll
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which was sort of a sly euphemism for having sex. Some of the whites like Bill Haley and the Comets
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began to take this jumping Rhythm and Blues
and kind of whitening it a little bit.
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And when he stuck the term Rock and Roll on that
and some of Bill Haley's early songs like
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Rock Around the Clock had that term in it;
It just caught fire. Alan Freed was no fool
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and he knew a good thing when he heard it
so Rock and Roll is what became the New Thing
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although, really, it's just kind of the old
thing with new wind addressing. And it worked.
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>> Little Richard: Wom Bom A Loo Mou Ma Lom
Bom Bom Tuutti Fruiti oh Rudy. Tutti Fruiti, oh Rudy
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>> Jim O'Neal: Piano had always been the dominant
instrument in the Blues. I mean, we think
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of it as guitar music but in most places if
there was a piano there, the piano players
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were the stars of the Blues. But when the
electric guitar came along, the music became amplified.
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Then the guitar could be heard
and eventually became the dominant instrument.
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People looked for the guitar solos.
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>> Dean ALger: Lonnie Johnson was born in
1894 in New Orleans, and he soaked up that
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remarkably rich musical heritage, and he started
out playing violin, which is really interesting
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because that's the lead instrument in classical
music and it's a very expressive instrument.
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You can slide up and down. You can make it
cry and moan and so on. The great classical
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guitarist Paganini was famous for doing that.
Lonnie took all that, and transfered it to the guitar.
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At the time Lonnie came up around
the early 1900's, the guitar was a rhythm instrument.
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It was Lonnie Johnson who really
created the guitar solo and of using that
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instrument for such powerful expressive effect,
and the rest is music history.
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>> Jimmi Mayes: Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley,
they were playing Blues all the time.
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One of Elvis records was 'You Aint Nothin' But
A Hound Dog'. That was Big Mama Thornton.
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That was straight up Blues. And Chuck was
with the greatest Blues Label, Chess Records.
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Everything Chuck would do, the other guys
would come in the studio, and do it behind him.
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>> Dean Alger: The two founding fathers of
Rock guitar, Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry,
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both profoundly influenced by Lonnie Johnson;
and it went all the way through Eric Clapton,
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through Jimi Hendrix, to heavy metal. Heavy
metal really is just Blues on steroids.
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They're just wailing away, and they're really taking
that essential expressionism of the Blues guitar
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to a post modernist feel. That's really
what it is.
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>> Greg Johnson: There's been so many Blues
songs covered and reinterpreted by Rock musicians.
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Look at 'When the Levy Breaks' by Memphis
Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy about the 1927
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Mississippi River Flood. You know, and this
was reinterpretted by Led Zeppelin. We have
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Willie Dixon. The most famous Blues song writer
ever probably who doesn't get enough credit, I think.
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His music has even been covered by
Megadeth. I mean, it's just like,
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Blues has had a huge influence, all around the world.
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>> Theo Dasbach: Rock and Roll was here the
whole music scene changed, because people
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had to play Rock and Roll. Well, if you listen
to Rock and Roll and you listen to Chuck Berry,
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Little Richard, and the early Elvis even,
then that's Blues covers. Half of it is Blues Covers,
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you know. But they changed it a little
bit, the rhythm, the beat was a little bit different,
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the texts were a little different.
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>> Harry Weber: Blues Music became universal
through Rock and Roll.
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And then when Rock and Roll became available, people went back and looked at Blues Music
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>> Dick Waterman: We who knew Muddy and Wolf
and Little Milton and people like that,
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we knew that the Stones and the Yardbirds and
the Beatles or whatever, took them as opening acts.
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The Beatles had such a heavy influence
from Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley,
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people like that. And of course the cultural
mark of the Stones, is very strong.
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>> Theo Dasbach: I got people in the Museum
saying 'I don't like Blues' I said you don't. No.
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I said, 'What do you think about the first
LP of the Rolling Stones? Yeah I used to have that.
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That was great music. I said well that's
Blues. Jimmy Hendrix. It doesn't sound like Blues
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immediately for some people, but if
you listen, and you listen, it's there.
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Sometimes a little bit more than others but it is there.
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>> Anthony Gomes: One day, uh, I went downtown
in Toronto and I took 3 busses, and I got
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a BB King CD for $5.99 on sale called 'Live
at the Regal'. And I put it on the CD player
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and I immediately found home. And I always
tell people it's sort of like, Blues Rock
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was like Apple Pie and I loved Apple Pie.
But the reason I loved it was for the Apple.
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And I was eatin' all this extra butter and
sugar and crust just to get to the apple.
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And then I found the truth and the essence
and the core, when I heard BB. And everything
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made sense to me before and after. He was
sort of the bridge.
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Jimi Hendrix made sens eafter I heard BB King.
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>> Jimmi Mayes: I got with Joey D and the
Starlighters and one particular time the
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guitar player left and Joey say, Hey Man I
want you to find us a guitar player.
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So I walked up and down Broadway, went everywhere.
Couldn't find no guitar player, then I ran
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into this guy named Johnny Star. He say I
know a guitar player, man, he play with the Isley Brothers
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but he's not happy. So I went
to this Alvin hotel and I stole Jimmi Hendrix
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from the Isley Brothers. But his name was
Maurice then. He called himself Maurice James.
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So, we put him in the Starlighters. but we
didn't know he was gonna be the world's greatest
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Rock and Roll guitar player
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>> Harry Weber: Jimmy Hendrix, he basically
ate up and swallowed guitars. I mean he was
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somebody that took it to a sustention, wilder
than anybody could.
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>> Rip Kastaris: What an inspired Artist.
Went in to state when he played and reverberation
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off of the speakers which is something that
everybody hated at that time,
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became a signature part of his act.
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>> Jimmi Mayes: I got a call. This lady say
'Jimi wants you to come to the studio.'
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I said 'Jimi who?' She say 'Jimi Hendrix'.
And here's the world's greatest guitar player,
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just as big as the Beatles, Rolling Stones
and Elvis Presley. And I went to the studio
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man and we played from about eleven at night
to daylight. I'm a part of Rock and Roll history
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because that was the first session that he
produced himself. So I played on Jimi's first production.
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>> Gil Cook: I always saw Hip Hop, As A
part of that continuum, that network of Black
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Music Legacy. So for me it was always a connection
between Hip Hop and Blues and Hip Hop and Jazz.
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I was always a fan of those things because
they were always a natural part of my life,
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because the things that they were expressing,
and the things that they were dealing with
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and the circumstances that made the Blues
the Blues...
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Were the same things that made Hip Hop Hip Hop.
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>> Drumma Boy: ...Everything that I know,
Everything that I profit,
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everything that I show. How else would I have made it without...
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>> Drumma Boy: The Blues and the Hip Hop,
was like, You know, from what Memphis was
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Known for, we wanted to kind of bring a different
feel to the table. We wanted to bring more energy
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because when you heard the Blues, you
know, as a kid it was just so depressing and
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so sad but it would be funny because if you
really started listening to the stories,
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they were love stories or they were, you know,
telling you what they would do in a funny way
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when they got mad at their spouse or,
you know, some funny little story about what
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they would do, 'And I'll go drink all night.'
And then they hit you with the explanation.
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It's real interesting how Blues would reach
kids. And it was kind of in a funny way and
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we would always joke about it and be like,
man let's, let's make some a ...... And it,
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it would be a little bit more up tempo but
it was still the Blues. I started making beats
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just off of like hearing stuff on Beale street.
So I remember like many of times coming right
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off of Beale street with ideas in my head from what I heard, and then I'll flip it in to something else.
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It's just so many memories
that I can remember about the Blues and, you know,
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um, having inspiration and motivation
to touch a new generation.
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Came up with a cat named Yo Gotti, and um, our first album was Life. You know, I did another song for
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a artist by the name of Tela James. His first
project was Double Dose. And all of these
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tracks that you could look up on youtube and
hear these songs and hear the Blues influence.
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>> Terence Blanchard: When I think about how
Hip Hop was created, it sounds exactly like
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what happened, spiritually based music, the
Blues, Jazz. There was a frustration.
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That's where it started. A frustration of not being
able to get a point across. And I think that's
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what those musics have in common. You know.
That, that sense of, you're not hearing me.
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I need to say this some other way cause, the
way that the community is trying to tell you
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and get you to understand, you're not hearing
it, you know. So I'm gonna go this other avenue.
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I'm gonna take this other route, speak a little
louder, and maybe you'll get it this way.
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>> Drumma Boy: When I came up, you know, we
would look back at the Blues and, and wanna
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use it as inspiration to reinspire our generation
in a different way and we did that through
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Hip Hop, you know. Hip Hop was a cool was
to express yourself and be heard.
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>> Gil Cook: Blues, in its oral tradition,
and it's a form of getting experiential lived
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racially specific circumstances expressed,
in musical form. Like,
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tell me that's not Hip Hop.
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>> Janice Monti: The Blues has left footprints
across world popular culture.
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Whether we're talking about Soul, R&B, Hip Hop.
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But also in Fashion, Mannerisms, Literature and the Arts.
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>> Rip Kastaris: It seems like Music and Art
really humanize us. It's a feeling.
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It's not something that you think out with your head
but it's something that, it's visceral.
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It's in your gut. And everybody shares it. It's
shared without being divided.
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>> Harry Weber: Art is, in fact, involvement
with the human condition. And Blues music,
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is probably the purest and rawest expression
of how people feel. I would compare it to
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when I get out my sketchbook and I'm at a
bar, and I try to capture what's going on there.
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It's exactly the same with Blues Music,
which has a sophistication all its own and
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an art all its own that captures the moment,
captures the feeling and does it persuasively
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and acurately and emotionally.
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>> Rip Kastaris: Because I'm an Artist I have
to express it in my own way. And when I hear
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Blues Music and when I get into the whole
vibe of the band playing and people dancing and,
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what a great feeling that is to share
all that.
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>> Stan Street: People will say that they
can hear the music when they're looking at
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the piece of artwork. I've had peole say 'You
know I can feel the music or I can,
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I can hear the music when I look at the artwork
and to me that's, that's a really big compliment.
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>> Harry Weber: Music actually helps put me
in the mood to create stuff. It really does
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help clear my mind and it helps me focus on
what I'm creating, listening to something
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that somebody else has created. I remember
When I first learned of Lightening Hopkins for instance.
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You know, I would play it while
I'm sculpting. It's great stuff to get your juices flowing.
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>> Lightening Hopkins: The Blues
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>> Rip Kastaris: It seems like all the great
musicians seem to almost channel the music
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through them and that can't help but inspire
me. And so I try to paint, not only the musician,
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but the music around them. So the movements
and the shapes and the colors.
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The dynamic of things moving in and out of the picture
plane suggests the energies
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as well as the musicians themselves.
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>> Debra Devi: Blues Music has had a huge
impact on American English. And as you dig
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into the Blues you'll hear words like Doney.
If a woman's carrying, you know, heavy baskets
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on her head she's doing manual labor. And
then you add the phrase No Good Doney
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means a woman who doesn't want anything to do with
manual labor and that's what Robert Johnson's saying
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when he says she's a No Good Doney.
She's trying to meet every downtown man she can.
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She's looking for a sugar daddy, basically.
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These are things that enrich American English tremendously,
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and they come from the Blues. You can trace some of them back to Africa.
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And I think the one that was most resonant for me was the word Cool. Because I was asking myself,
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well why do we say that that guitar
solo was cool or why do we say that that musician
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has soul and that one doesn't. You know, why
is this person cool and this is not cool.
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So I did some digging and I found that there
was a Yoruba word called Itutu that means Coolness.
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But it's specifically used to describe
a piece of art that is considered to be
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connected to divinity. Or a person who represents that
state of being connected.
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>> Lance Williams: Blues has impacted literature
particularly on the African American side tremendously.
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The great writers beginning
in the Harlem Rennaissance of the 1920's and early 30's
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were people who were constantly listening to the Blues and they wrote about it in their work.
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Poets like Langston Hughes
for example, Alain Leroy Locke, James Weldon Johnson.
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Later, we have a great writer such
as Ralph Ellison who's book Invisible Man
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was considered to be one of the most important
novels of the twentieth century.
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His second major book was a criticism called Shadow and Act and that was the result of his love of music.
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So Shadow and Act is essentially a look at
African American Music from a critical perspective.
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The book Native Son. It is set in an African
American community and the characters
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to a certain extent have a certain tragic element
to it. But again, this is the kind of overall
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thematic impression that you get. That there is
a kind of overtone of the Blues
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both as a music as well as the expression of cultural
motifs.
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>> Gil Cook: The Blues is all up and throughout
literature. Not just Black literature even.
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>> Patricia Shroeder: My book, Robert Johnson
Mythmaking and Contemporary American Culture,
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arose out of the research I started doing
after I saw Robert Johnson popping up everywhere.
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He was a character in three novels in the
early 1990's. And then I started seeing
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Robert Johnson collectibles. There was a Japanese
artist making Robert Johnson figurines.
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Suddenly he was everywhere, and I didn't know why.
So as I did more research about him I discovered that
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we don't know huge amounts. There's more
gaps than there are facts.
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>> 'Old Brother Where Art Thou': What'd the
Devil give you for your soul Tommy.
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Well he taught me to play this here guitar real good.
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>> Tom Graves: The film director Martic Scorsese
I think said it best that Robert Johnson was
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pure myth. But we don't know much about
the real Robert Johnson. And in my particular
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book, what I set out to do was to try to separate
the truth from the myth. What really happened
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particularly with the myth of the crossroads
which is the most widely known of the myths
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about Robert Johnson. The myth was actually
meant for another Blues man who came about
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a decade before Robert Johnson and was actually
in his time a much bigger star
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in the Blues world than Robert Johnson ever was and his name was Tommy Johnson.
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Dr David Evans, a Blues historian in Memphis, tracked down Tommy Johnson's brother,
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and he related the story about how Tommy Johnson got to be so good on the guitar, and how he sold his soul to
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the Devil right before midnight he walked
down the road and you know the story. At midnight
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on the dot, a tall Black man appeared. You
hand your guitar off to the Black man,
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he tunes it for you, and when he hands it back
and you accept it that means your soul is sold.
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The book came out and this was the same
time that John Hammond of Columbia Records
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decided that with this folk music boom that
was going on it was time to reissue
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after twenty five or so years, Robert Johnson. They
found that Robert Johnson had recently died
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but he always had Robert Johnson in mind.
He thought that Robert Johsnon was a higher
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level of artist than most of the other bluesmen
from the delta. These two records just absolutely
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amazed people like Bob Dylan. It went over
to England and all of the people who were
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leaving traditional Jazz behind and finding
American Blues, they thought this was the
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best stuff they had ever heard. It's not really
hard to understand why, that with the word
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of Tommy Johnson and selling your soul to
the Devil at the Crossroads, that all the
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sudden when you have this record album by
a guy named Robert Johnson. He has a song
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called Crossroads. Well the associations you
can just see them connecting. And once they
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connected it wouldn't let go. And so Robert
Johnson today to most people is considered
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that guy who sold his soul to the Devil at
the crossroads, and then the second part of that
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is he paid for it by flirting with the
wrong woman in the wrong place.
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And the husband decided to poison him because of it.
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>> Robert Johnson: Early this morning, ooooo,
when you knocked upon my door.
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And I said hello Satan. I believe it's time to go.
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>> Patricia Shroeder: The first time I think
it was in print was in the sixties.
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Son House gave an interview to Pete Welding, where he
said, 'Robert was so good, he must have sold
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his soul to the Devil to play like that; and
the legend came up. And then you start hearing
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people that knew him saying, 'Oh yeah Robert
told us that. His family claimed to believe it.'
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Then, when some African American Scholars
get in the mix like Julio Finn, they say 'Well, You know,
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there's African Spiritual retentions
all through the Mississippi Delta and the
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Yoruba religion worshiped a lot of varied gods including one called Legba, the God of the Crossroads.
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And one of the Yoruba rituals
was you could make some small offering
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asking for inspiration; opening the gates between
yourselves and the divine spirit.
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Kind of like an ancient Greek would write an invocation
to the Muse. Maybe he was doing that.
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So, you can either believe it's true, believe
it's hype, believe it's not true,
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and all of those three things have to do with the
world view you bring to the story.
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>> Jim O'Neal: Living Blues is the first American
Blues Magazine, which was inspired by the
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fact that there were Blues Magazines in Sweden,
France, England. Why were we so far behind?
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It seemed crazy to be reading about Chicago
Blues in an English Magazine when we're right
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in the heart of where it was all happening.
One of the reasons that it was called Living Blues
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was becasue there was a lot of talk,
there always has been for decades now, that
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Blues is dead, Blues is Dying. So Bruce Iglauer
who later started Alligator Records, was one
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of the cofounders and he actually came up
with the name Living Blues. The idea was to
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show that Blues was still a living tradition
among African American Musicians.
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>> Patricia Shroeder: I've been a long time
teacher of Drama as well as African American
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Literature and one thing I noticed as I was
running across all this literature written
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about Robert Johnson, with the exception of Walter Mosley, none of the writers were African American.
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So they were telling the story from an outside
point of view. And I wanted to see what
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African American writers were doing with Robert Johnson, and I stumbled upon three playwrights.
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One is Bill Harris' 'Trick the Devil' from the
1990's, one is Robert Earl Price's
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'Come On in My Kitchen' which has never been published but was produced in Atlanta's very prestigious
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7 Stages Theater in the early 2000's and the
third is an unpublished screenplay from 1980
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by Adrienne Kennedy, a really important African
American Feminist Playwright. So I looked at
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all three of them and they did very different
things. For two of them, it was hogwash and
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00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,000
it's just a way to discredit his talent and
his artistry. That white people had to believe
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00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,580
this is the only way an unschooled Black man
could be such a genius. But Robert Earl Price's
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show was different. He kind of posits that,
Of Course he sold his soul to the Devil.
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That's the only way any Black Person gets ahead in
America.
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>> Robert Earl Price: It takes the incidents of his death in Greenwood or the anniversary of his death
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as a time when there was a convergence
of forces among people who've made similar deals.
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To give an audience an idea that What
kind of deal do you have to make in order
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to succeed in a place where you are the double
sold individual.
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If you let the white part of yourself live, then the Black part has to be diminished.
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>> Patricia Shroeder: In his play, which takes
place in the Juke Joint in Mississippi where
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Robert Johnson is killed; a plane crashes
in this Juke Joint with Condoleezza Rice,
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Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas in it. And
they all try to make some deal with the Devil
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to get out of having to stay there; having
to be crashed. It's the price of success for
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African Americans he's talking about, and
it's very, very cunning satire I think.
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Robert Johnson in that appears only as a video projection. He's not even real.
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>> Robert Earl Price: Some of the people that
you see in power, especially African Americans
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that I see in power, I keep wondering, Okay.
How much of this? What happened?
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What kind of deal did this person have to make in order
to become who we see them as?
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I mean, what could Clarence Thomas be thinking?
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>> 'The Wolf of Wall Street': Yep. On a daily
basis I consume Manhattan, Long Island, and Queens,
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for a month. >> Lance Williams: The Blues is a very important device in film because a lot of film
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is inference and a lot of film is allowing the audience
to draw their own conclusions, and a good
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director will often bring an audience to the
trough and it is up to the audience to drink
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whatever water is there placed in front of
them in the sense of how they want to feel
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about the particular set of circumstances
that they see the characters faced with.
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>> Terence Blanchard: I've used Blues and
Jazz in, in just about everything I've done man.
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You know, it started with 'Malcolm X', moving
on through just about all of Spike's stuff;
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And then I did 'Their Eyes Were Watching God',
you know, which definitely had a lot of those different
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elements in it; And then I did the
movie about the Chess Brothers, 'Cadillac Records',
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you know, and that movie was all about the
Blues.
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>> Ira Newborn: I've probably used Jazz and
Blues in every movie I ever did practically.
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'Innocent Blood' was Jazzy. I did Bluesy kind
of stuff in 'Planes, Trains and Automobiles'.
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I mean probably every movie because I was
styereotyped in comedy. And in comedy,
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the main thing is the jokes. If you have no jokes,
you don't really have a comedy. You have a
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mildly amusing movie. So, you have to play
the jokes. You either have to support them
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and then stop just before the punchline, or,
you can play through it. I'll give you an
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example if you're talking about Jazz. If you
have like in The Naked Gun, this sexy woman,
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Priscilla Presley, coming down the stairs,
you know and sashaying down, you play this
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slurpy, sexy, saxaphone. So in that case,
it's the style that makes the joke funnier.
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She's sashaying down the stairs and then she
falls, right? No it's not funny that someone
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fell down a flight of stairs but the contrast
of her coming down like the Queen and then
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Boom. And then falling. That's what's funny.
The contrast.
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>> Lance Williams: A Piece of music becomes
a character in a movie or a television program.
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It can be the kind of device that builds some
kind of emotion or helps the audience to really
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understand what is taking place. I mean, for
example, a sad piece of music describes
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a woman crying. Or, alot of sex scenes have
overtones that are Bluesy, overtones of music that
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00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:12,760
speaks to what people think of the Blues
as being kind of gut bucket and down dirty and nasty.
580
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:20,240
Then on the other side, you have so many movies that have a theme that is musically driven.
581
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:27,620
>> 'The Blues Brothers': Well me and the Lord,
we got an understanding. We're on a mission from God.
582
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,820
>> Stan Street: You know the Blues Brothers,
even though it was commercial, it was inspired by
583
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:36,820
real events. I know the people that inspired
them. It came from the east and the west coast
584
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:42,400
with Down Child Blues Band on the East Coast
and Curtis Salgado on the West Coast.
585
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,900
>> Curtis Salgado: This guy comes up to me
and goes Belushi wants to meet you. And I
586
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:52,120
said What? I'm in the middle of a song. I
told him to get lost. And finally, at the
587
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,660
end of the show I jump off the stage and he
goes Belushi you gotta meet him and he turns
588
00:52:56,660 --> 00:53:02,920
me around and I meet this guy, and I shook
his hand and I kinda went...And...
589
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:08,560
He goes oh I like what you do. I have a friend of
mine he kinda looks like you. And he says,
590
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,860
yeah his name is Dan Aykroyd. And I was, just
looked at him blank. And then the next step was
591
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:18,500
he says well I'm doing this movie in town
and then I go do this show in New York called
592
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:24,960
Saturday Night Live and I was completely blank.
And then he hit paydirt and he goes, I'm really
593
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,640
excited because we're gonna do this show with
Ray Charles. And I said What? You're gonna what?
594
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:34,970
I just perked up and said You've got to
ask Ray Charles about Guitar Slim. He goes
595
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:38,630
who's Guitar Slim and I said, You don't knot
who Guitar Slim is? And then I just whipped
596
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:43,350
out his history. And Belushi, much to his
credit, was interested. So I gave him a bunch
597
00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:49,600
of ideas and gave him, uh, records. And we
made friends. I was bringing him my record collection.
598
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:58,880
>> The Blues Brothers: I said Hey Bartender. Hey Man, Looka Here. A draw one, draw two, draw three ...
599
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,980
>> Curtis Salgado: Hey Bartender I turned
him onto because he wanted to Jam. He wanted
600
00:54:02,980 --> 00:54:07,540
to Jam Jailhouse Rock and I said That's corny,
I'm not gonna do it. I'll bring you a song,
601
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:12,920
and I brought him Hey Bartneder, by Floyd
Dixon, who lived in Oakland. So we were playing
602
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,200
with Floyd Dixon and I brought Belushi Hey
Bartender.
603
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:23,540
>> Ira Newborn: John Belushi was a loveable,
out of control, at least when I knew him,
604
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:30,800
Big Baby. It's perfect what Danny Aykroyd
said about him at his funeral. He was a bad boy
605
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,560
but a good man. He ran around like a lunatic
and did all kinds of stuff but he wouldn't
606
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:41,920
hurt anybody and he was generous. And he loved
doing what he was doing, Acting and singing.
607
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,380
He loved music, and Danny too, they Loved
the Blues. That's not like a joke.
608
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:48,940
These guys are really in love with the Blues.
609
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:54,590
>> Harry Weber: I like the whole attitude
of two fat, comic white guys playing the
610
00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:58,100
Blues Brothers. It was a great thing. Beyond entertaining.
611
00:54:59,660 --> 00:55:06,320
>> Bugs Bunny: What's Up Doc, what's cookin?
What's up Doc, are you lookin, for Bugs Bunny
612
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,020
>> Charles Chamberlain: A lot of people don't
even realize that Bugs Bunny was talking like
613
00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:15,080
a Jive Jazz Musician. Hey What's Up Doc? You know,
all that stuff. His vernacular and his dialect
614
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,100
was really kind of like a hip black guy from
the time. And, really he was almost like the
615
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,900
trickster character, um, in African Folk Lore
where the Rabbit was always the trickster
616
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:29,340
who got out of trouble; like Brae Rabbit.
So, you know, no matter how much trouble that
617
00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:35,080
he got in with Yosemite Sam or Elmer Fudd,
he still played the trick on them and
618
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,480
ended up living at the end of the day.
619
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:49,420
>> 'The Princess and the Frog': I know that
tune. Dipper Mouth Blues. (playing) Play it Brother
620
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:55,240
>> Terence Blanchard: It starts with the children.
When I was a kid, all of the Hanna Barbara
621
00:55:55,240 --> 00:56:00,200
cartoons. Come on man. You know, all of those
things were steeped in the tradition of Jazz.
622
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:07,520
Peanuts. Come on. Vince, was one of the greatest
Jazz pianists on the planet and that entire series.
623
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:12,060
Every Christmas, weren't you waiting
for that Charlie Brown Christmas? Right, and
624
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:18,760
the music that really gives you that sense
of warmth and welcome, is Jazz.
625
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,120
>> 'The General Insurance Commercial': Sounds
like George has the Auto Insurance Blues. Mmmhhmm.
626
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,180
Here, get a quote from the General.
There down payment and monthly payments are low.
627
00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:32,670
>> Stan Street: If you keep the TV on for
fifteen minutes, you'll hear harmonica, you'll hear,
628
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:37,410
especially now, lately. It's all over
the place. You hear slide guitar, you know,
629
00:56:37,410 --> 00:56:42,350
and steel guitar and you hear Blues in
a commercial. You hear some Blues in the Background.
630
00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:45,610
>> 'Viagra Commercial': Isn't it time you
talked to your doctor about Viagra?
631
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:49,730
>> Lance Williams: I find it interesting that
Smokestack Lightening is the soundtrack of
632
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:55,690
the Viagra commercial. That's a very very interesting
commentary on the times that we live in.
633
00:56:55,690 --> 00:57:00,760
Here's a old man singing about sex, and this pill
is marketed to old guys.
634
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,780
>> Debra Devi: The Blues became a way for
the rest of Americans to
635
00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:08,960
become a little bit less uptight about talking about sex.
636
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,980
>> Dean Alger: We had this Victorian social
order, and everything was proper, and the
637
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:18,760
music was sort of right on the beat, and restrained
and so on, and then the Blues came along,
638
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,780
and Jazz came along. And it's not an accident
that it came along in New Orleans.
639
00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:29,260
Because New Orleans was wide open, experimental and
all these different people and all these different trends.
640
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,040
>> Lance Williams: Jazz was the soundtrack
of the Red Light District.
641
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:37,420
>> Charles Chamberlain: In 1897 we had a city
alderman which is like a city councilman.
642
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:42,780
His name was Sidney Story. And he proposed
to regulate prostitution in the city by establishing
643
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:49,860
a specific neighborhood in which prostitution
was legalized. So that was known as The District.
644
00:57:49,860 --> 00:57:55,400
Um, and then, as a joke, people named it after
him. So it became known as Storyville which
645
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,400
was basically a parody of this uptight reformer
who was trying to regulate prostitution but
646
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,920
then became associated with the trade itself.
Now, Storyville had a mixture of very high
647
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,380
end brothels like Hilma Bert's house and Lu
Lu White's mohogany Hall where really rich
648
00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:18,060
guys would go. And then it also had some more
low scale brothels known as Cribs where working
649
00:58:18,060 --> 00:58:23,000
class guys would go. And then it also had
a bunch of taverns where alot of Jazz musicians
650
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,080
would hang out and so in the high end brothels
they would hire professors that were piano
651
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:34,940
players like Jelly Roll Morton or Tony Jackson
or Manuel Manetta to play parlor piano for
652
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:40,460
the women as the men were coming in. So early
Jazz and Blues was the soundtrack for the
653
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:45,260
high end brothels. And then the taverns, they
would have cutting contests all the time.
654
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:51,260
Musicians like Sidney Bechet, King Oliver,
Kid Ory, Louis Armstrong all started their
655
00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:56,920
early careers in these taverns learning the
Blues and learning the early parts of Jazz.
656
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,680
>> Dean Alger: The twenties F Scott Fitzgerald
dubbed The Jazz Age, and rather appropriately.
657
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,000
It was back then when the sexual revolution
really started. The flappers with their short skirts and
658
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,870
wild parties and all that sort
of stuff. And then we had another period of that
659
00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:14,730
in the 1960's. And of course, you had
the Blues and Folk revival at that same time
660
00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:19,930
as well as Rock getting deeper and deeper.
The Blues and Jazz really led to this
661
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:24,580
opening up and this second stage of rejection of the
old victorian order.
662
00:59:24,580 --> 00:59:29,440
>> Samantha Fish: It was the first genre to
really push the envelope as far as sex goes
663
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,820
and people continued to do it from that point
on. It being kind of the building block for music.
664
00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:38,120
It's probably the building block for
sexualization in music.
665
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:41,590
>> Debra Devi: In the Blues there's a lot
of sexual signifying. I mean, we have just
666
00:59:41,590 --> 00:59:47,950
one metaphor after another for genetalia and
for sex. All the Bessie Smith songs.
667
00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:53,270
I need a little sugar in my bowl. I need a hot dog
in my roll. I gotta get my hambone boiled.
668
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:56,010
These are all forms of, of good signifying.
669
00:59:56,010 --> 01:00:00,950
>> Anthony Gomes: They talked about sex and
all sorts of things which basically society
670
01:00:00,950 --> 01:00:04,970
was ready to hear. But it was from an adult
perspective. When the Beatles talk about
671
01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:10,310
I really wanna turn you on. Man, that was a
big line. So the Blues was really,
672
01:00:10,310 --> 01:00:14,200
really gritty and in your face but it was for, for
an adult audience.
673
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,840
>> Lance Williams: Blues comes across
as course, gritty, it comes across as fairly
674
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:24,320
negative, and there are all these references
to big legged women with the meat shaking on
675
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:30,300
their bones. It is a continuous theme, and
I think that it is one of the things that
676
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:37,800
caused polite society or mainstream society to feel comfortable. Because anytime you repress something,
677
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,040
the thought and the feeling doesn't
go away. People have to find some kind of
678
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,880
other kind of outre way, if you will, of
expressing what they're feeling.
679
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,660
>> Dean Alger: Part of it was Blues said,
Loosen your girdle folks. Get back in touch with your
680
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:55,440
deep feelings and stop being so
damn repressed and all sorts of things could
681
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,620
flower and blossom in the arts, in what your
feelings are and so on.
682
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,260
>> Hal Lansky: When Elvis appeared on Ed Sullivan
he was gyrating his hips, people thought that
683
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:06,320
was outlandish but, man you can do that in
church now.
684
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,180
>> Hal Lansky: The Blues guys have created
a style. They mighta, they mighta not known
685
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:15,100
what they were doing, but they have created
styles, they created music.
686
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:16,840
It's just a whole lifestyle.
687
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,460
>> Samantha Fish: It seems like Blues players
they just have swagger. You know, they've
688
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:23,860
got that cool effortlessness about them and
I think that Rock and Roll started taking
689
01:01:23,860 --> 01:01:27,480
from that. You know that kind of cool, effortless.
Like the bad boy look.
690
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,640
>> Harry Weber: Heroes in anything whether
it's sports or movies or music, they'll always
691
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,960
have the followers that'll look at it and
say god I wanna be like that.
692
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,400
>> Anthony Gomes: There's an important distinction
that needs to be made when we're talking about
693
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:45,900
Blues and fashion. In the sixties, there was
two kinds of Blues. There was dirty Blues,
694
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:54,540
and there was clean Blues. Ok, now dirty Blues
was the real nasty Blues. Overalls, you know,
695
01:01:54,540 --> 01:02:00,400
guitar string out of tune. Sort of that perception
of real raw and gritty. An example might be
696
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:07,220
somebody like RL Burnside. You know, real
gritty, Mississippi. In that sort of fashion sense,
697
01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:12,760
you know maybe somebody like Jack White
or somebody who's really into the retro old
698
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:18,480
rootsy, rustic kind of Blues thing. Then you
have the clean Blues, which is BB King lets
699
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:24,740
say as an example. He dressed real clean because
in those times, if you were an artist and
700
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:29,360
you were and African American you had certain
challenges. You had to present yourself in
701
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:35,160
the best manner, and most respectful manner,
to be appreciated by society. Especially as
702
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,660
you played more integrated places. So that
real clean Blues thing. You know the brimmed hat,
703
01:02:40,660 --> 01:02:46,320
the starched collar. Yes, that very much
became the Blues. It all borrowed from that
704
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:52,100
clean, Sunday Best, and you know, you still
see people, Bruno Mars today.
705
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:57,040
I mean, it's like a Soul review BB King review kind of
thing that he has going on.
706
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,620
>> Harry Weber: One time we got a pool of
money together and we got John Lee Hooker
707
01:03:00,620 --> 01:03:05,900
to come play for us, all night, and all
he wanted was a couple hundred bucks and a
708
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:11,500
bottle of Jack Daniels. And he showed up in
the grubbiest clothes you've ever seen with a
709
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:17,700
pork pie hat, smoking camels, and playing
terrific music. I don't think anybody would
710
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:22,540
follow that fashion, you know, even though
we tried. The same token about the same time
711
01:03:22,540 --> 01:03:27,400
Chuck Berry was going through the roof in
terms of popularity. He was starting Rock and Roll.
712
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,820
And, as we did with the statue of
Chuck down on Delmar, the early Rock and Rollers
713
01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:38,260
that came out of Blues, dressed formally.
They came out in tuxedos. This was special time,
714
01:03:38,260 --> 01:03:42,000
this was performance time and they dressed
to the nines. So on one hand you got
715
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,520
John Lee Hooker showing up in eight day old clothes
that smelled that way. On the other hand you get
716
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,760
Chuck Berry that's out there in a tuxedo.
They both had an audience.
717
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,880
>> Hal Lansky: There's a young kid looking
in the windows and my dad invited this young man in.
718
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,380
He said, Come on in young man, let
me show you around. And this young man, you know,
719
01:03:58,390 --> 01:04:02,150
my dad said he had greasy hair, he had
a little duck back and uh, the young man said,
720
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:06,900
Mr Lansky, I don't have any money, but one
of these days I'm gonna come in here and buy you out.
721
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,860
And my dad said, Young man, don't
buy me out just buy from me and this young man
722
01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:14,220
turned out to be the future King of Rock and Roll
Elvis Presley. And that's where the
723
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:18,340
African Americans shopped and they wanted
to come there. On Saturday mornings we were
724
01:04:18,340 --> 01:04:23,040
so busy because everybody had to have a new
outfit, a new pair of shoes, a new cap
725
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,340
to go out on Saturday night. They wanted to look sharp.
726
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:37,060
>> Jim O'Neal: Blues has become a, a tourism
element in Chicago, and in Memphis on Beale Street.
727
01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:40,760
That's a long time claim to Memphis
being the home of the Blues.
728
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:47,820
>> Theo Dasbach: When I came to America, for
the very very first time, I landed in Memphis.
729
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:55,680
And when I came to Memphis in 1978, at Beale
Street, all these buildings were blocked off, empty.
730
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,360
There were two clubs open in the New
Daisy Theater at night. There were two guys
731
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:05,260
sitting with a guitar, you know, and that
was it. I went to the Sun studio building.
732
01:05:05,260 --> 01:05:12,420
That was exactly what I say. It was a building.
Empty. I went to the Stax building.
733
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:17,720
Satellite Records. I wanted to see that. That was a
building that fell apart completely.
734
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:23,500
Now, it's thriving. There's been a revitalization
in Memphis already going on since the eighties.
735
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:27,880
So I see that improvement what music tourism
does for a community.
736
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:34,040
>> Jimbo Mathus: Mississippi has come a long
way in grasping its own heritage and culture.
737
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,560
The past twenty years have seen great improvements
in them putting up the historical markers
738
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,180
to the Blues musicians in their cities. Developing
a Blues tourism.
739
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:47,700
Mississippi needs any help it can get to get any economy going.
740
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,920
>> Theo Dasbach: When we got here this whole
street was empty buildings. Now there's a
741
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,780
store down there, there's an Art Music Gallery
next door. Someone from Franklin invested
742
01:05:55,780 --> 01:06:00,780
in the building across the street and there's
gonna be apartments in there so. You see that
743
01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:06,360
impact of the Blues tourism. We came here
because we thought we wanted to be part of
744
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:11,300
the revitalization. I personally came here
for the Blues Music.
745
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:24,220
>> Watermelon Slim: You Know that Sixty One
highway... That's the longest road I know.
746
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,940
>> Bill Lucke When Morgan Freeman and I
got to be good friends in the mid nineties,
747
01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:37,640
He started noticing some of the things I hadn't
really been paying particular attention to.
748
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,040
That is, all these tourists walking around
town just sort of looking. Asking questions
749
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:47,680
like where can we hear live Blues Music? Where
was so and so buried? Where was Ike Turner born?
750
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,140
And I felt over time, and so did Morgan,
a need to preserve this genre by answering
751
01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:59,000
at least one question, where can we hear live
Blues Music? So we opened this club in
752
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:07,900
May of 2001 to have a good venue with consistently
played, performed, live Blues music.
753
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:11,860
We sort of fill that need. That demand, for the tourists.
754
01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:16,400
>> Theo Dasbach: We have a lot of history
here in Clarksdale. People were born here
755
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:22,120
like John Lee Hooker, Sam Cooke, Little Junior
Parker, Lil Green. And of course, Muddy Waters
756
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:27,220
grew up here. So we have a lot of big names
in the music Blues world and Soul world who
757
01:07:27,220 --> 01:07:34,300
came from here. So, it's logical that we would
go for the tourism. Tourism of course means money.
758
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,300
We love this music but it's also very
important that tourists come here, because
759
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:45,300
if they have a wonderful time, and they will
becasue we have a fantastic music scene here;
760
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:49,620
they will stay a couple of days. They will spend some money in the restaurants and that means jobs.
761
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:52,720
>> Bill Lucket: I think we could sell the
dirt here frankly, and in fact, I've got our
762
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,000
manager looking in to doing just that.
763
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,160
>> Jim O'Neal: The Mississippi Blues Trail
was started by an organization called the
764
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,700
Mississippi Blues Commission, started by the
state of Mississippi, in recognition of that
765
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:07,720
fact that there were so many people already
coming to Mississippi, just on their own, to go
766
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,580
to CLarksdale and Greenville and the Blues
Festivals; to visit grave sites; to take pictures
767
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:16,140
of the highway signs. You know, you used to
always see tourists taking pictures of the
768
01:08:16,140 --> 01:08:22,020
sign that says Yazoo City or Highway 61. It
was an economic move, of course, to promote tourism.
769
01:08:22,020 --> 01:08:27,800
But it was also, I think an important
statement by the state of Mississippi that,
770
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:33,080
this Black Music which was Neglected for so
long and which was actually generated by some
771
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:38,400
of the oppressive conditions in Mississippi,
is something that should be celebrated and honored.
772
01:08:39,460 --> 01:08:47,960
>> Sharon Lewis: If you want my lovin, if
you really do.
773
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:58,580
Don't be afraid, my baby, ask for it. Cause you know I'm gonna give it to you
774
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:07,020
>> Sharon Lewis: I think Blues Music is Powerful
because it tells the journey of a culture.
775
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:14,000
A culture that America has shaped, whether
they admit it or not.
776
01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:19,820
>> Patricia Shroeder: I also think the power
of the Blues has to do with the fundamental honesty.
777
01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:24,880
What I love, maybe most about it,
is an absolute lack of sentimentality. There
778
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,380
can be love stories. There can even be good
love stories. But there's never any sentiment.
779
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:33,320
It's this is the way it is and I gotta get
through it somehow.
780
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,320
And I think that's a very powerful message.
781
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,000
>> Debra Devi: When we see the great Blues
Artists, they're open channels. They're just
782
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:45,500
like wide open, and it's pouring through them, and that's why we get moved and we get incredibly excited.
783
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:49,560
That's why I think Gospel and Blues
just get people up off their feet. And you
784
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:55,200
can't explain it but it's about soul. And
it's about this experience that as human beings
785
01:09:55,200 --> 01:10:00,280
we're all striving for, you know. So that's
why I think it's so powerful and so important
786
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,780
and why we're so incredibly lucky to have
it.
787
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:08,400
>> Samantha Fish: It's sexuality, it's pain,
it's anger. There's so much in it. The delivery
788
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,940
is all about honesty. That's why I think it's
powerful because you can't phone it in.
789
01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:16,800
If you phone it in no one's gonna buy it.
Nobody believes it. So, to be a good performer
790
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,680
at that kind of music, you have to really put
everything you have into it and, that's what
791
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:27,280
drew me to it. Just seeing people play it and really living it and believing it and putting it out there.
792
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:33,540
>> Terence Blanchard: It's a very interesting
thing, the power of that music because it
793
01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:43,260
was born out of this very passionate and powerful
need to express something to the world.
794
01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:50,300
And to try to find some solace or, try to find
some, uh, answers, frankly.
795
01:10:50,300 --> 01:10:55,500
>> Vencie Vernado: It's about love. It's
about shortages. It's about pain. It's about
796
01:10:55,500 --> 01:11:03,420
death. It's about gains. It's about losses.
It deals at the core of human emotion.
797
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:16,160
>> Dick Waterman: There was a time when Billboards
calibrating airplay and kind of sales and everything.
798
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,680
Blues had five percent of the
market. Five percent of the market.
799
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:29,020
Blues now has an unchartable small number. It isn't
anything. It's not one percent. It's less.
800
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:33,620
>> Curtis Salgado: It's not massively popular
anymore. I'm afraid it's gonna go the way
801
01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:38,719
of like Dixieland. I love Dixieland but it's
a novelty now.
802
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,600
>> Jimbo Mathus: The Blues is forgotten now,
you know, in some places. It's remembered
803
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:50,060
in others and it lives still in pockets of
America and that's where the future of it will arise.
804
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,640
>> Curtis Salgado: Music now is like fast
foods. It's even faster. Now everybody and
805
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,100
their dog can make a record. You can make
a record in your apartment with just the right
806
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:05,620
tools and that's really good on one hand.
On the other hand, it makes a lot of crap
807
01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:12,100
out there and you have to, you have to kind
of go through the crap to find the real good stuff.
808
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:16,720
Somebody with talent. Somebody that
actually is putting out something meaningful.
809
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:22,040
>> Jimbo Mathus: As far as what's going on now in 2014, there's no hope man. It's gone over the abyss.
810
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:27,160
The music is simply made of formulas, creating money, to feed in to the pipeline.
811
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,240
That's what's being bought and sold.
812
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:34,900
>> Dick Waterman: Who's after BB? Who follows
BB? Well, nobody really.
813
01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:38,640
>> Danielle Schnebelen: I hear, you know,
keep the Blues alive. It's not dead. People
814
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,720
don't understand that it is alive and well
and just because the older generation is
815
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,440
getting older, you know, that's life. That's
what happens. And it's our responsibility
816
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:52,100
to keep it going because of what people went through just to be able to play it and write it and express it.
817
01:12:52,620 --> 01:12:55,820
>> Theo Dasbach: It's very alive in Europe.
You see that in my country where I'm originally
818
01:12:55,820 --> 01:13:00,420
from, the Netherlands, has now a Dutch Blues
foundation. I think it's their third year.
819
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:04,600
That's based on what the Blues Foundation
here does in America. A lot of people say
820
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,000
the Blues is dying out and I'll say, no it
will never die out, it never did so,
821
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,640
that already is a proven fact.
822
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:19,880
>> Samantha Fish: Gone, Gone, Gone. You've
gone I know, baby so long. You've gone I know
823
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:26,860
this time I gotta hold on. Thank God you're
gone for good.
824
01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:32,800
>> Samantha Fish: There's a lot of young people
coming up playing it. I know people worry
825
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,320
about the future of the Blues. You know, the
fans aren't gonna be there. I just think
826
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,460
it takes people to a certain age, to find
it. I didn't grow up listening to it.
827
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:44,790
I had to find it on my own. I just think it
takes people time to find it. I don't think
828
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:49,290
it's going anywhere. It hasn't gone anywhere.
Every once in a while, you know, it gets pushed
829
01:13:49,290 --> 01:13:53,090
into the mainstream by some kind of mixing
with another genre or something to kind of
830
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:57,130
put it out in the forefront again. You know,
you hear bands like Jack White and the Black Keys.
831
01:13:57,130 --> 01:14:00,950
They bring it to the forefront. They
listen to Blues Music and, it's kind of where
832
01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:03,080
they started out. So I mean, I don't think
it's going anywhere.
833
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,160
I think it's gonna stand the test of time. It has so far.
834
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:12,220
>> Lance Williams: The Blues has not gone
away. It's taken different forms. Some people
835
01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:18,340
have shied away from the Blues because they
feel like the Blues, in their mind, represents
836
01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:23,760
things that they'd rather forget about. But
the essence of the Blues is still in church.
837
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:29,420
The essence of the Blues is still in the music
that African Americans appreciate now.
838
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:32,560
All musics undergo generational evolution.
839
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,000
>> Cheney Sims: I think that there's this
huge revival right now of Americana music
840
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,920
and Folk music which is really exciting. I
think that Blues still gets alittle bit lost
841
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,760
in the fray of that and isn't defined as such.
Even though we have Artists like the
842
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:52,040
Carolina Chocolate Drops, which, they do Gaelic music
to Bluegrass to straight Blues to also songs
843
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:57,480
that are inspired by their experience. You
know, people like the Lumineers and the Civil Wars,
844
01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:02,560
and, you know, there's a whole laundry
list of groups who are doing, um, the same
845
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:08,120
type of stuff that Heritage Blues Orchestra
is doing which is focusing on, on our roots,
846
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:14,220
and playing homage to the music that we came
from but also putting our take and our story
847
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:19,520
and our spin on it. Um, which is what the
Blues is all about. It's about telling your story.
848
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,180
>> Bill Sims Jr: It's getting better but it
has become a guitar oriented genre, you know,
849
01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:29,680
when it's really a vocal tradition. The telling
of a story. You have people who don't even
850
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:35,160
sing who are considered Blues Men, you know.
And in the old days, when African Americans
851
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,180
had the quality control, you had to sing.
If you didn't sing you were a sideman.
852
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:43,940
>> Harry Weber: I think the future is simply
gonna be one of two things. Preservation,
853
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:49,040
and then, let it evolve into various forms
of Jazz, and, by the way, evolve into various
854
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,940
forms of Jazz that will then become tomorrows
Classical Music.
855
01:15:52,940 --> 01:15:55,780
And I think thats, that's definitely in the cards.
856
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:01,260
>> Lance Williams: Time moves on, and, these
days, it moves on at warp speed.
857
01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:04,940
And so if you look at what's happening with
the Blues, I can honestly tell you that there
858
01:16:04,940 --> 01:16:10,180
are some very very talented musicians who,
if they're not saying I'm playing the Blues,
859
01:16:10,180 --> 01:16:16,720
they're certainly using the essence of the
Blues to voice their particular passion about the music.
860
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:20,960
>> Debra Devi: There are artists like Gary
Clark Jr and the North Mississippi Allstars
861
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,480
who are kind of reinvigorating the Blues for
a younger generation.
862
01:16:25,489 --> 01:16:29,229
>> Junior Mack: Blues is something that, that
never really goes away. You know, like a wave
863
01:16:29,229 --> 01:16:33,749
in the ocean. It rises and then it falls and
it rises and then it falls. There have been
864
01:16:33,749 --> 01:16:39,609
periods of time where the Blues wasn't popular,
or as popular as it was years ago. But, when
865
01:16:39,609 --> 01:16:44,080
you look at commercials on television and
you look at other things that you see in the media,
866
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,660
there's a real strong Blues influence
there. But, you may go to a Blues club
867
01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:54,920
to see a Blues artist and the place may be half
full. I think that the Blues will gradually
868
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,880
build itself back up again and it'll probably
wane again and build itself back up again.
869
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,100
Cause that's, uh, pretty much what it's been
doing.
870
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:05,340
>> Bill Sims Jr: Selfishly I think Heritage
Blues Orchestra is the Future of the Blues.
871
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:16,480
>> Heritage Blues Trio: Get right church and
lets go home. Get right church and lets go home.
872
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:26,560
Get right church. Get right church.
Get right church and lets go home.
873
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:41,880
I'm goin home on the morning train. I'm going home
on the morning train. I'm going home. I'm going home.
874
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:46,800
I'm going home on the morning
train.
875
01:17:46,800 --> 01:18:02,040
The evening train may be too late. Well, the evening train may be too late. The evening train. The evening train.
876
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:07,200
The evening train may be too late.
877
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:17,240
Back Back hearse and get your load. You better Back back hearse and get your load.
878
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:27,400
Back back hearse. Back
Back Hearse. Back Back hearse and get your load.
879
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:37,360
Get right church and let's go home.
Well, Get right church and let's go home.
880
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:47,520
Get right church. Get right church. Get right
church and let's go home.
881
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:57,720
I'm going home on the morning train. Well I'm going home on the morning train.
882
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:10,360
I'm going home. I'm going home. I'm going home on the morning train.
883
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:49,680
>> Brian Curran: Aw Glory Glory, Hallelujia,
when I lay my burden down. Ah Glory Glory, Hallelujia,
884
01:19:49,680 --> 01:20:03,680
when I lay my burden down. Ain't no more sickness, no more sorrow, when I lay my burden down.
885
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:13,120
Ain't no more sickness, no
more sorrow, when I lay my burden down.
886
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:27,680
All my troubles, will be over, when I lay my burden
down. All my troubles, will be over,
887
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:32,000
when I lay my burden down.
888
01:20:50,840 --> 01:21:00,320
I'm going home to, live
with Jesus, when I lay my burden down.
889
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:12,400
I'm going home to, live with Jesus, when I lay
my burden down. My burden down lord,
890
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:28,880
burden down lord. When I lay my burden down. Aw Glory Glory, Hallelujah, when I lay my burden down.
891
01:21:47,080 --> 01:22:01,440
I'm gonna sit here with the angels, when I
lay my burden down. I'm gonna sit here with the angels
892
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:24,160
when I lay my burden down. I'm going home to live with Jesus, when I lay my burden down.
893
01:22:42,680 --> 01:23:01,520
All my troubles, will be over, when I lay my burden down. All my troubles, will be over, when I lay my burden down.
894
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:19,680
Oh Glory Glory Hallelujia, when I lay my burden down. Oh Glory Glory Hallelujia, when I lay my burden down.
895
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:02,200
Lay My Burden Down. Thank you so much!
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