All language subtitles for Ellen Goosenberg Kent - Crisis Hotline ~ Veterans Press 1 (Bootleg - Short Film)~(English with English Subs)

You have reached the National Suicide

Prevention Lifeline,

also serving the Veterans Crisis Line.

If you are in emotional
distress or suicidal crisis,

we are here to help.

If you are a U.S. military veteran

or current service member
or are calling about one,

please press one now.

Thank you for calling
the Veterans Crisis Line.

My name is Luis. How can I help you?

My name is Scott. I'm with
the Veterans Crisis Line.

Veterans Crisis Line. This is Robert.

Right. Now, I know you said
that you have a knife nearby you.

Do you agree to not use that
knife while I put you on hold?

What happens when you start saying,

"I'm gonna take that.22
and put it to my heart"?

So one option is driving
your car into the tree,

but you told me that that's not

an option you're gonna take today.

But putting a gun in your mouth

is not a solution

that we want to discuss today, sir.

Sound like you've been dealing with this

for a long time today.

You were sitting in
your car with the belt

around your neck since 8 A.M. Wow.

Now, the last thing,
did he say in the email

that he's thinking about
killing other people?

I'm really proud of you
for stepping forward.

OK, where were you stationed?

So twice you tried to
hang yourself before?

Do you want me to send
someone there for you?

Veterans Crisis Hotline.

You got injured while
you were on active duty?

Were you ever diagnosed with PTSD?

If there's anything that we can do

for you... Later tonight even;

I mean, any time... We're
here around the clock.

What branch of the military were you?

Air Force?

So you're saying that...

What you're telling
me is that people have

to do something drastic
before they get help?

That's what you're saying?

I understand that
you're in a lot of pain,

that you're hurting.

I understand that you can't work.

I understand that
you're having flashbacks.

I understand that you're having

repetitive dreams, night sweats.

That's a lot of stress for one person.

You want to be able to help your family.

Do you have any weapons in
the house besides yourself?

Because I know you told
me you're your own weapon.

No, Kenneth. You can't
close this chapter.

I'm not gonna leave you.
I'm not gonna go anywhere.

I'm gonna stay right with you.

If you can't tell me that
you're not thinking of suicide,

I will send an ambulance
and a police officer,

and I will do a rescue.

You're not telling me
that you're gonna be OK.

Can you safety plan with me?

No. I can't do that. I'm sorry.

You have five children.

You have a wife, and you
have a lot to live for, so...

He is 46 years old, African American.

He refused to answer
any safety questions.

He did state that he was his own weapon.

He is a former Marine.
He might put up a fight.

OK. What's that?

You're gonna go in your closet?

In the closet on the floor.

Tell me what's going on. Let's go slow.

Can you talk to me about
the images in the dark?

Bodies are in the water?

So the bodies are facedown in the water.

You can't help the bodies.

There's too many.

You know, it doesn't
mean that you failed.

Kenneth, Kenneth, let's slow down, OK?

Kenneth, did you...

Kenneth, did you do anything?

Why are you breathing
so heavy right now?

Kenneth, what are you about to do?

What's going on?

You need to take care
of your kids, Kenneth.

You're their father.

You're their dad, OK? No
one can replace you, OK?

No one can replace you.
You're their father.

You're gonna be the
one that they look for.

I can't take care of your kids.

I'm not a Marine.

Their dad is a Marine.

You know what that means to them?

Give me that chance to help you.

What's that noise in the background.

You're gonna let me talk to her?

OK. Hello, ma'am.

This is Darlene calling from
the Veteran's Crisis Line.

I was talking with your husband Kenneth.

He was not able to report to me
that he was gonna remain safe.

We are sending the police

to talk with him.

It's called a welfare check.

I've been on the phone with
him for over an hour or so.

Are the police there yet?

Ma'am? Hello?

She hung up.

The police are on scene.

She said that they were on
scene, but I didn't hear them.

I don't know if they
are, but she hung up.

On scene? OK. Great. Thank you so much.

- They're there.
- They're there?

- Yeah.
- Thank you.

No problem.

Thank you very much.

Are you OK?

That was a long, very
hard one, you know?

Yeah.

You're getting a hug

whether you want one or not.

Oh, thank you very much, honey.

How old was this guy?

- He's 46.
- Jesus.

He's got five children.

He was in Afghanistan and Iraq.

OK. So that's where he was?

Yes. He was.

And that was some of the worst fighting,

when they first started in Afghanistan.

Well, he kept talking about
bodies floating in the water.

I just had a call with a guy

who just left talking with me

and was back in Lebanon,

and they couldn't get hold

of the communications or call anybody

or help anybody, and there were

dead bodies and bleeding
people, you know,

and I kept saying to him, "You're here.

"You're on the phone with me.

"It's all right. Keep talking.

You're on the phone with me now"...

Mm-hmm.

And at the end of the conversation,

he thanked me for grounding him.

You did your work. You did good.

Yeah.

Do you remember what you
said when you started here?

Do you remember?

"I don't know how I'm gonna

be able to do this. "

- Remember that?
- Yes. I do.

Yup, yup. I do. Yup.

- Bob...
- Huh?

Can you grab that off the
printer and get it to HSS?

How do you spell your last name?

Give it to one of these guys there.

He is in the preparatory stages.

Yeah. Sanchez, this is Robert

calling you from the
Department of Veteran's Affairs,

the federal government's
Veterans Crisis Line.

We got a veteran who's in the process

or possibly going into the process

of cutting himself with a razor

to bleed out and commit suicide.

If you cut yourself to
where you're bleeding out?

That's permanent.

That's, the kids can't see you anymore.

He is struggling with some

PTSD episodes at this point.

So how many years
have you been suffering

with the PTSD and the nightmares?

We're gonna stay on the
line with him, hopefully,

until you can get out there.

Barbara, I'm getting on IM.

I've heard lots of people
cry, and you know what?

Sometimes tears are the catharsis

that you need to let out some stuff.

I mean, I know that your
having seen this guy get shot

in the face was really
an awful thing, but...

Ay ay ay, man.

At the same time, it wasn't your fault,

and I feel like you are
blaming yourself somehow.

I got two cars and
an ambulance en route.

So when you say that
you're talking about

an enemy combatant that you killed...

Barbara, IM.

We're waiting on the police

because the police
have to go and make sure

that it's safe for EMS to go in

because he threatened
to cut himself open

with a razor blade, and that alone

will stop EMS from
going in on their own.

They have to wait for the police.

This is the difficult part,

waiting for the police to get there,

hoping that he doesn't do something.

Did you ever know anybody else

in your unit to die of suicide?

They should be there any second now.

He hung up on me.

OK, and that might be

because he heard something.

No. He's crying. He's exhausted.

Even on a routine call,

we shouldn't wait this long.

I'm gonna try to call him back.

I'm gonna call the police back.

Brian? OK.

Hey, Sanchez, it's Robert again.

Any chance we know where the police

might be at this point?

I called it in about 1:15 my local time.

OK. There you go.

Did you take some of your pills?

We're trying to really
keep him on the line

until you guys get on scene.

Thank you so much. Bye now.

The biggest problem is
struggling with your PTSD

and how it's affecting you daily

and how it's affecting your family.

You're just so lost inside your PTSD...

She's calming him down.

There's no shame in asking for help.

Would you be willing to
take those razor blades

and just set them out
on your front porch?

Oh, come on.

What's that?

This is ridiculous.

- Brian?
- That's ridiculous.

That's almost 30 minutes.

Wait a second. Who's there?

Oh...

Is it your drug...

OK. Is it the police?

Veterans Crisis Line. This is Robert.

Go to the door, please.
We called the ambulance.

Police have to go because of the blades.

All right. Hold on a second.

I think he might've

answered the door, Sarge.

Hang on. Barbara, did he speak to...

No. He won't answer the door.

Would you please open the door for them?

OK. See? I told you.

Can your first responders

on the porch see...

Is there somebody standing
right there talking to you?

He's telling my responder he put

the razor blades out on the front porch.

He's talking to them.

He finally opened the door,
but somebody hung up on me.

He opened the door, Sarge.

Somebody is there, Bob.

Officer Grody? Grohe. Hi.

This is Barbara from
the Veterans Crisis Line.

All right, Bob. We got him.

We got him, Sergeant.

Thank you so much for helping us, Sarge.

Take good care.

- OK. He is...
- Nice.

He's had a pint of vodka,
and he also did heroin,

cocaine, and marijuana
last night with it.

Yeah. He's been having
really bad problems

with PTSD nightmares,

and he was planning to bleed out.

I've been involved in rescues

where we've lost a vet, where
he has committed suicide.

We go through the
whole range of emotions.

At least I do. I get angry and very sad.

I start to question whether
I did a good enough job.

"Could I have found him faster?

"Was I doing all the things
that I was taught to do?

Did I make any mistakes, and
how dare you take your life?"

All those things go through my mind,

but then my supervisor

will usually come up, and we'll talk.

The responder and I will talk,

and then we get back to work.

We get back to work as fast as we can.

We got other vets to work with.

It's ultimately

the veteran's decision if
they're gonna live or die.

It's literally in their
hands, and as a responder,

you have to have a
really good grasp of that.

You can help them find
reasons for living,

reasons to not do it, but
the decision is theirs.

How old are you, Michael?

You're 20?

What made you go into the Marine Corps?

What's that clicking I
hear in the background?

You're playing with the clip?

OK.

Do you have the gun
right there with you, too?

OK. I get that.

If you feel, you know,
that gives you some security

to have the clip in your hand,
and you want to, you know,

toss that around, I'm OK with that,

but if you could agree to not
use it while we're on the phone,

that would make me feel comfortable.

Can we agree to that?

OK. Thank you.

So you come from a military family?

Eight months ago, you got wounded?

OK. All right, and you said
that you got a Purple Heart?

OK, and the the battle
that you got wounded in,

was that over in Afghanistan, as well,

and you lost some friends during that?

Joseph?

So you grew up together,
and then your lives

kind of went their separate ways.

Then you came back together?

He was 21? So you watched him die?

Did he know that you were
holding him when he died?

Was he alert enough to know that?

Does that bring you any type
of comfort to know that you

were able to be there
with him when he died?

Tell me what he'd be
thinking right now if he knew

what you were going
through, if he knew that you

were contemplating suicide.

He'd kick your ass? OK.

So sounds like he's a good friend.

Do you think that you'd be able

to get yourself some help for him?

And it sounds like you
love your girlfriend,

and it sounds like
you love her daughter.

Do you think that you love
them enough to reach out

and to try and get yourself some help?

OK.

When you were over in Afghanistan

and you were facing
battle, you did things

to prepare yourself for that battle.

Is that right?

You would have a weapon that worked.

You would have protective
gear, and you would have people

that you depended on that
could help you through that,

and you wouldn't think
about going into battle

and leaving one of those things out.

Is that correct?

So what I hear you're
doing is, you're home,

and you're facing a battle

just as serious as the one over there,

and you're doing it
without the proper support.

All right.

So your girlfriend is gonna come home,

and that was the thing that was gonna

either have you commit suicide or not.

So now that she's coming home,
you think you're gonna be OK?

Michael, I really want
you to give some thought

about reaching out to the VA and
getting yourself some help, OK,

because they really can help you, OK?

All right. You take care.

All right. Bye-bye.

And while we were on the phone,

he was playing with a clip.

I could hear, like, the gun

going back and forth.

- So that was...
- Are you OK?

Yeah. It was a little...

You know, he went into
detail about his friend

dying over in battle.

So that was a little...

- And that's the one...
- And not, like, gory detail,

not, you know... Like, just emotional,

"I held him in my arms as he died. "

- Sure.
- You know, so that was a little...

Yeah. He's reliving all of that.

So how did it end?

It was really abrupt.

He decided that was
her on the other line.

"She's gonna come home. I'm gonna be OK.

Thank you. I'll call back. "

- Hmm, OK.
- So it was real...

Well, let's hope that's the case.

You did a good job with it.

Thank you.

So are you safe for me
to have Luis call you?

OK.

OK.

OK. Do you...

So you are having thoughts of suicide?

OK.

OK. Luis has your phone
number right now, OK?

OK.

So it's all you.

You want me to use yours?

Call. If you can call him,

I'm going to disconnect with him.

Jerry? My name is Luis.

How you doing?

I want was in the Army. I just retired.

Is someone with you right now, Jerry?

How you doing? Are you his mother?

OK.

What time did he start
watching the news?

Does he have a lot of flashbacks?

Has he talked about
suicide, hurting himself?

He's just having an
emotional breakdown right now?

OK. Well, what do you feel?

Do you feel that he's safe right now,

or do you feel that he
needs to go to the hospital?

I mean, has he ever had an episode

where you thought that
he wasn't gonna be safe?

OK.

Now, how do you think he would
feel if I did call an ambulance?

I mean, protocol is, you
know, usually the first ones

that show up are the police.

They make sure there's no weapons.

They make sure that there's,
you know, any animals

or anything that can
hurt, you know, the EMTs

when they arrive, and then
the EMTs come shortly after.

OK.

Well, if you feel that it's
gonna get out of control,

then, you know, you can give
us a call back yourself, OK,

and then we'll call the rescue.

OK. You have a good one, ma'am.

Bye.

Well, the veteran's mother
was with him, and, apparently,

he's always having, like,
an emotional breakdown

every time he watches
the news and he sees...

He served in Lebanon during Lebanon.

He said, "This shit is
still going on, you know,

"and it's not fucking ending,

and, you know, I
served there, you know?"

Then he started to cry,

and that's when he put
his mother on the phone.

I've lost two soldiers in
Afghanistan, and, I mean,

it affected me, because
that's another human being,

but I think the hardest
thing that hit me

was when I came back and
I went to work in a unit

dealing with wounded warriors
in a warrior transition unit,

and a buddy of mine hung himself,

and nobody saw the signs.

You know, that was hard.

No matter how much training
I've had in the army on suicide,

you know, or no matter what
my degree is in, you know,

when when it's all said and done,

this is another human being
on the other line, you know,

that's reaching out
for me at that moment.

He's giving me that five
minutes or that ten minutes

or whatever timeframe
to help him, you know,

and I can either help him,
you know, or, you know,

he's fell through the cracks,
and he's become a statistic,

you know, and that's my job,
is to make sure that he doesn't

become a statistic,
that we help him or her.

No veteran will tell
you that they went to war

to kill a child or to kill a civilian.

It's the reality of war.

It's the nature of war and of violence.

Talk to any Vietnam veteran.

They'll tell you, their orders
were shoot anything that moves.

Can you imagine what
that must be like to be 17

and scared out of your
mind and to get that order

and try to fit in with your unit
and shoot anything that moves,

and then it's a family?

What's that like?

I'm glad that you called today, Stan.

I'm glad you picked up the phone.

How long ago did you take the pills?

OK. Stan, I want you to
know that I'm gonna have

someone come get you,
OK, but I want you to stay

on the phone with me
until they get there.

Just stay on the line
with me, all right?

Hi. Yes, ma'am.

I have a veteran on the line
with one of my responders

that has initiated an overdose of pills.

Listen. I want you to know
that they're coming, OK?

Twelve hydrocodone and
twelve muscle relaxers.

I know you're getting tired, Stan,

but I need you to stay with me, OK?

He is at the campground at Rollins Lake.

They give you a sticker
to put in your campsite?

Oh, you're just squatting or something?

Are you sitting on the ground outside?

You said your Jeep was red?

And it was off of Route 174.

He said he's squatting,

so he doesn't have a
space rented out to him.

He is in a red Jeep.

I know it's hard to walk,
but I really need you

to go outside, OK, so
that they can find you

real quick when they get there.

My responder says he's
fading pretty fast.

Trying to get to the bench?

He's on the bench outside the tent.

He's a former Marine.

OK. I'm talking to my colleague.

They're on the way, OK?

Three minutes out?

OK. I just got the message

that they're about three minutes away.

You're doing a good job, Stan.

Just hang in there, OK?

You OK?

OK. Is that the siren I hear?

Say again?

Oh, good. They're there. OK.

Yes. They are on site.

Good.

Just stay on the phone with
me, OK, till they're there.

OK. Great.

Thank you so much for your help.

OK. Bye-bye.

OK. OK, Stan. Take care.

All righty.

OK.

They got there.

It was a tough one.

We are like a firehouse.

There are times when
it's relatively quiet,

but when the need arises
and people need to work,

this place is as serious
as a heart attack.

We're a national crisis
line in upstate New York,

and he called our hotline this morning.

All we have is a first name
and a cell phone number.

This guy called up.

It was a very short call,
very little information,

but the information was concerning.

He said, "I just want
to give you a call,

thank you at the hotline
for everything you do,

and let you know that I'm
done," or, "it's over. "

He gave his name, his first name only.

Josie, who was the
responder that got that call,

tried to engage him immediately.

He told me he was 20 years old

with four to five deployments.

Tried to engage him. He hung up.

So obviously, he was
crying out for help.

So we got that brief amount
of information in a phone call

that lasted all of a minute,
maybe two minutes, nothing.

And he's not answering.

He won't pick up.

You could try that again
while she's doing this.

No, I tried, like, four times already,

but I don't want to do too much

and then have him turn off his phone.

- How many deployments?
- He's said four or five.

Can't be that age.

- Well...
- Really?

20- or 21-year-old
person in the military,

how many deployments could they have?

Could they have four or five?

- So it could be.
- Maybe.

- See?
- Here we go.

We get a lot of calls
from just, you know,

first names and cell phones.

Sometimes we can plug them
in and find info right away.

Like, if you were to
take your phone number

and plug it into a database,
it might come up as your name,

but in this case, nothing came
up on his cell phone number

except that his cell
phone provider was Verizon.

Hi. My name is Maria. I'm calling from

the Veterans Crisis
Center in Upstate New York.

I called Verizon and asked
for their law enforcement.

We have a law enforcement
number to call.

So we call them and just
tell them the information.

We decided that we would call

and see if we can't
triangulate that call.

We want this phone pegged
because that's all we've got.

He said that what they
could do is give you the info

if it's life or death, which it is

because he's contemplating suicide,

and they'd probably ping
it off the last tower

to give an approximate location.

Awesome.

Right.

OK.

So you're saying he's at Pearl Harbor.

Yeah, yeah. That's great.

Thank you for all your
help, Sergeant Polite,

and if I need anything else,
I'll give you a call back.

Yup. Bye-bye.

We got a name, and we were told

that he's on the base in Pearl Harbor.

And so we thought we'd
call the Naval base

in Hawaii right away just on a chance.

Hi. My name is Marie.

I'm calling from the
Veterans Crisis Center

in Upstate New York.

I need to speak to somebody in dispatch.

We don't know if it's a prank.

When she first gave me
the sheet, we thought,

"OK. He's 20, four to five deployments.

It's skeptical," but
when I called Verizon

and they told me that
it was on a joint base,

so then I'm thinking, "OK.
Maybe he's active duty. "

We just wait.

So we'll give it a good 20 minutes.

Then we'll call back.

So he started about 11:40 this morning.

It is now 4:10 in the afternoon.

I mean, it's just long and tiring,

but you just can't give up,
and you just got to keep on

trying and trying and
exhaust all options.

Is that the spelling of his...

Yes.

Veteran's Crisis. Bob Hosk.

Are you calling from Hawaii? OK.

She's on another line.
What is your name, sir?

Is he about 20 years old?

Has he been on about four
or five tours, do you know?

He has been on multiple deployments.

OK. We're getting closer.

He's been looking
down? You've seen that?

OK. There we are.

We need to have somebody
check him out, sir.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. No problem.

I got him.

What I'd like you to do is,

can you please make sure

you have eyes on?

Would you, please?

That'd be awesome
because we've been on this

almost five hours now.

Thank you very much, sir. Bye-bye.

Are you serious?

Shit.

Yeah. There it is.

I was calling in regards
to our active duty member

that we were looking for.

To Tripler?

- Yes.
- Perfect.

- That's awesome.
- All right.

Thank you very much
for all your help, sir.

He's safe? Going to Tripler?

All right. Thank you.
You have a good day.

- Bam. Done.
- Nice.

- Totally done.
- Thank you.

- That's it.
- Yup.

- Yay.
- Perfect.

Yeah.

Yeah, going to Tripler.

Five hours here at the hotline,

and it's about four
personnel to help one guy,

which we would do over again...
No problem, no problem...

Because this is a good ending
to this day, very good ending.

I've been here for two years,

and there's calls that stick with you.

You know, there's calls
that you still wonder,

"How are they? Are they OK?"

you know, because they call
you at the worst possible moment

in their life and you
help them through that,

and you can't help but take
some of that with you, you know?

Thank you for calling
the Veterans Crisis Line.

This is Maureen. How may I help you?

OK. You take your time.

OK.

So when you say your son is
out in the desert with a gun,

where exactly do you mean?

Arizona.

Do you know what kind
of gun it is he has?

You think it's a.22? OK.

So he told you that
he wrote a suicide note

and it's with him in
the truck right now?

Now, was he ever deployed, ma'am?

Twenty-two years is a long time.

He was in the Gulf War? OK.

You think that it was the
final divorce papers that he got

from his wife that kind of
pushed him over the edge?

OK.

So he's got a lot going on, the divorce,

and he feels like he's
a burden on you guys,

the debt, nothing left in life for him?

So the phone call ended
with you telling him

you'd see him tomorrow, and he didn't...

OK, but he didn't agree that
he'd be seeing you anytime soon?

So there's a couple different
options that we can do here.

Do you think if you called
him from that other phone

that you were talking to him on
and told him that if I called,

I could then put you
on the line, as well,

and the three of us could talk,

do you think he'd be open to that?

Yeah. I can hear everything
she's saying to him.

She's pleading with him to come home.

She's crying.

She said it would be a Christmas
present if he came home.

She just told him she loved him.

She keeps telling him,
"Just come on home. "

She's telling him to talk to me.

You did really good talking to him.

You know, I could hear
everything you said to him.

You did a really good job.

Yup, yup.

I don't know if I would've handled that

as well if it was one of my boys.

You did a really good job.

Now, when he tells you
that he's gonna head home,

do you think he's going to do that?

All right.

So, Pat, what I'll do is, I'll call back

in probably a half-hour because
we've been talking for a bit,

and I'm really gonna
try and talk with him

before, you know, the night is out

because I really need to
make sure that he's OK.

All right, Pat. Take care. Bye-bye.

Gonna talk to my
supervisor and see what she

would like me to do next,
get some guidance on this.

What are your concerns?

That he has a loaded.22,

and he's driving home, you know?

I mean, he told the
mother he'd drive home.

He told the mother...

You know, I heard her say, "I love you,"

and I asked her what
his response back was,

and he said "I love you, too. "

She told him that this would be

the best Christmas present
that he could give her

if he came home, and, you
know, her voice cracked,

and I asked her what
was his response to that,

and she said that he just
took a couple deep breaths.

Does she feel he's coming home?

- Yeah. I asked her.
- She's pretty confident?

I said, you know, "When
he says he's gonna do it,

do you think he'll follow through?"

- Yeah.
- And she said, "Yes. "

OK.

I think we have to believe that.

- OK.
- Yeah.

- Hello?
- Hi. Pat?

Hi. It's Maureen.

OK.

Just pulled up? OK.

All right. Good timing. All right.

Well, let's see if we can get him

to talk to me on the phone, OK?

Yup.

When I called,

he had just walked
through the front door,

and the mother put me on speakerphone,

and I she must've still
been holding the phone

because I heard her hug him...

You know, I could hear,
like, the fabric...

And she said, "I love you,"
and she started crying.

So, you know, just,
you know, Christmas Eve,

and, you know, your
son was out in a desert.

John?

Hi. My name is Maureen.
Can you hear me OK?

Yes. I can.

OK. All right. Thank
you for talking with me.

Can I ask you real quick just
so I make sure that you're safe,

where's the gun right now?

The gun is in the truck? OK.

Do you think your dad
could go out and get it

and just kind of keep
it safe for the night?

OK, and you guys have his car keys?

Tell me what you were thinking about

when you were out in the desert,

what was going through
your mind, and what you did.

He told me that if his mom

hadn't have called the time
that I had asked her to call,

try and convince him to
do the three-way call,

that he probably would've done it,

that he had the gun out.

And I heard that you
wrote out a suicide note.

He's definitely very desperate

and very, just hopeless right now.

Right, and I think part
of getting back on track

with your life is talking
to people at the VA,

and making sure that your
depression is in check.

You know, depression is really
hard to work on on your own.

I will put a referral
through for him to the VA,

but, you know, I think if
this gentleman doesn't get

some intervention quickly,
it's not gonna turn out well.

Well, thank you, John. I
appreciate your service.

You know you sacrificed a lot for us,

and we're here to help
you in any way we can.

You don't have to do this by yourself.

All right. Bye-bye.

Have a nice holiday.

All right. Bye-bye.

All right.

Thank you for calling the
Veterans Crisis Hotline.

This is Maureen. How may I help you?