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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,007 --> 00:00:03,947 - I wish I could make you feel safe. - Can‘t you warn him off for me? 2 00:00:03,948 --> 00:00:06,337 - Drive. Go, go! - What happened? 3 00:00:06,338 --> 00:00:08,727 Trust me. Everything's going to be OK. 4 00:00:08,728 --> 00:00:10,593 I'll see you in Apple Tree Yard. 5 00:00:13,088 --> 00:00:15,057 Were you there when Mark Costley 6 00:00:15,058 --> 00:00:18,147 beat and kicked George Selway to death, Yvonne? 7 00:00:18,148 --> 00:00:19,977 Ijust don't get why you went to him. 8 00:00:21,288 --> 00:00:24,057 Costley's effectively pleading guilty to manslaughter. 9 00:00:24,058 --> 00:00:25,417 If they accept Costley's plea, 10 00:00:25,418 --> 00:00:28,177 they still can come after you for murder. 11 00:00:28,178 --> 00:00:31,327 That you have brought into your mess! 12 00:00:31,328 --> 00:00:33,757 You deserve everything you get! 13 00:00:33,758 --> 00:00:36,147 The first defendant, Mark Liam Costley, 14 00:00:36,148 --> 00:00:39,477 claimed that he is not responsible for the killing of George Selway 15 00:00:39,478 --> 00:00:42,387 because he has a personality disorder. 16 00:00:42,388 --> 00:00:43,887 What are "special measures"? 17 00:00:43,888 --> 00:00:47,397 Yes, that's the witness that needs to retain anonymity. 18 00:00:47,398 --> 00:00:49,747 - The Ml5 man, yes? - Yeah. 19 00:00:49,748 --> 00:00:54,091 I'm asking if you were happy enough with Mark Costley's mental state? 20 00:00:54,094 --> 00:00:56,567 It was purely for me to turn him down 21 00:00:56,570 --> 00:00:59,339 as an unsuitable candidate for the security services. 22 00:01:20,128 --> 00:01:21,947 YVONNE: Who are you really? 23 00:01:23,588 --> 00:01:26,407 You may not be a spook, Mark Costley... 24 00:01:28,558 --> 00:01:30,767 but one thing's clear... 25 00:01:32,448 --> 00:01:34,557 MARK: You're beautiful. 26 00:01:36,588 --> 00:01:38,647 you're in love with secrets. 27 00:01:40,558 --> 00:01:42,247 Life's mysterious... 28 00:01:42,248 --> 00:01:45,512 Maybe that‘s all we shared, you and I... 29 00:01:47,308 --> 00:01:48,907 Trust me. 30 00:01:50,408 --> 00:01:52,097 ...a secret. 31 00:01:55,938 --> 00:01:58,427 A secret we have to keep. 32 00:02:00,488 --> 00:02:04,567 [CLOCK TICKS RAPIDLY] 33 00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:12,098 - Synced and corrected by VitoSilans - -- www.Addic7ed.com -- 34 00:02:14,128 --> 00:02:19,147 Sergeant Johns, the man we have in the dock here, Mr Costley, 35 00:02:19,148 --> 00:02:21,907 - do you know him? - Yes, I worked with him 36 00:02:21,908 --> 00:02:24,157 throug hout my time at the Crown Estate. 37 00:02:24,158 --> 00:02:26,407 - On a daily basis? - That's correct. 38 00:02:26,408 --> 00:02:28,467 Would you mind describing to the court 39 00:02:28,468 --> 00:02:32,267 Mark Costley's responsibilities as a security advisor, 40 00:02:32,268 --> 00:02:34,047 so far as you understand them? 41 00:02:34,048 --> 00:02:35,037 Certainly. 42 00:02:35,038 --> 00:02:38,507 It was his job to ensure compliance, health and safety, 43 00:02:38,508 --> 00:02:40,797 any arrangements for special events, 44 00:02:40,798 --> 00:02:42,695 checking the duty log, 45 00:02:42,698 --> 00:02:45,677 supervising shifts for the CCTV monitoring crews, 46 00:02:45,678 --> 00:02:47,317 that sort of thing. 47 00:02:47,318 --> 00:02:49,187 And was Mr Costley good at his job? 48 00:02:49,188 --> 00:02:53,267 Yes, he was, on the whole. He was very reliable. 49 00:02:53,268 --> 00:02:54,393 Efficient. 50 00:02:54,396 --> 00:02:58,567 During the time you worked with him, until he was arrested, 51 00:02:58,568 --> 00:03:01,657 did your colleague display any behaviour 52 00:03:01,658 --> 00:03:06,347 that led to concerns that he might be unstable psychologically? 53 00:03:06,348 --> 00:03:09,067 No. He did everything that was required of him. 54 00:03:09,068 --> 00:03:12,397 - He was just... normal. - Normal? 55 00:03:12,398 --> 00:03:15,207 To talk to, the way he acted. 56 00:03:15,208 --> 00:03:16,807 Were you aware of any change 57 00:03:16,808 --> 00:03:19,807 in what you describe as Mark Costley's "normal" behaviour 58 00:03:19,808 --> 00:03:22,517 in the days before the killing of George Selway 59 00:03:22,518 --> 00:03:24,783 on March the 12th of this year? 60 00:03:25,767 --> 00:03:28,197 I can't remember any change at all. 61 00:03:28,198 --> 00:03:32,785 - He seemed... how he always did. - What about prior to that? 62 00:03:32,788 --> 00:03:34,667 In November of the previous year, 63 00:03:34,668 --> 00:03:37,337 when Yvonne Carmichael told him she'd been raped, 64 00:03:37,338 --> 00:03:39,397 did you observe any change 65 00:03:39,398 --> 00:03:42,303 in your colleague Mark Costley's behaviour at that time? 66 00:03:42,306 --> 00:03:43,335 No. 67 00:03:43,338 --> 00:03:46,287 I don't remember any change whatsoever. 68 00:03:46,288 --> 00:03:48,117 He was just Mark. 69 00:03:48,118 --> 00:03:50,457 Sergeant Johns, you've told the court 70 00:03:50,458 --> 00:03:53,367 that you saw no change in Mark Costley‘s behaviour 71 00:03:53,368 --> 00:03:55,622 in November of last year. Is that correct? 72 00:03:55,625 --> 00:03:56,494 Yes. 73 00:03:56,497 --> 00:03:58,786 That‘s not strictly true, is it? 74 00:03:59,418 --> 00:04:02,417 In respect of Mark Costley‘s behaviour to you... 75 00:04:02,418 --> 00:04:05,434 was there a change in November last year? 76 00:04:06,258 --> 00:04:09,167 Not really. I don't think so. 77 00:04:09,168 --> 00:04:11,837 Isn't it the case that, during November 78 00:04:11,838 --> 00:04:14,607 and into December of last year, 79 00:04:14,608 --> 00:04:17,137 the two of you had had a short-lived relationship, 80 00:04:17,138 --> 00:04:19,197 which ended acrimoniously? 81 00:04:19,198 --> 00:04:22,107 - No. That's absolutely untrue. - Which bit? 82 00:04:22,108 --> 00:04:25,337 That you and Mr Costley were in a relationship, or that it was over? 83 00:04:25,338 --> 00:04:26,977 It wasn't a relationship. 84 00:04:28,108 --> 00:04:30,167 I wouldn't describe it like that at all. 85 00:04:30,168 --> 00:04:32,797 - How would you describe it? - I would say... 86 00:04:33,868 --> 00:04:35,797 Mark propositioned me. 87 00:04:36,784 --> 00:04:39,552 And had he "propositioned" you prior to this? 88 00:04:39,555 --> 00:04:40,874 No. 89 00:04:41,558 --> 00:04:44,657 So this marked a change in his behaviour, then, towards you, 90 00:04:44,658 --> 00:04:47,087 - in November of last year? - Well, I suppose so. 91 00:04:47,088 --> 00:04:49,337 I thought that you meant his general behav... 92 00:04:49,338 --> 00:04:51,217 You went for drinks with Mr Costley after work 93 00:04:51,218 --> 00:04:53,977 on, I believe, three orfour occasions. 94 00:04:53,978 --> 00:04:55,807 Not that many times. 95 00:04:55,808 --> 00:04:58,617 - Once or twice. - Which was it? Once or twice? 96 00:04:58,618 --> 00:05:00,497 - Twice, maybe. - Oh, really? 97 00:05:00,498 --> 00:05:03,637 Well, my information is that it was at least three times. 98 00:05:03,638 --> 00:05:06,967 And on the last of these occasions, in early December of last year, 99 00:05:06,968 --> 00:05:09,547 you had intimate contact with Mr Costley 100 00:05:09,548 --> 00:05:12,447 in a Westminster pub called the Bull And Keg. 101 00:05:12,448 --> 00:05:16,197 Firstly... the first time we went out was with a group of people. 102 00:05:16,198 --> 00:05:17,847 So I would say twice. 103 00:05:17,848 --> 00:05:20,557 Secondly, the contact that you're referring to 104 00:05:20,558 --> 00:05:23,091 was initiated by him and I told him to stop. 105 00:05:23,094 --> 00:05:24,199 Immediately? 106 00:05:28,168 --> 00:05:31,167 Did you ask him to stop immediately, Sergeant Johns? 107 00:05:35,798 --> 00:05:37,817 Not immediately. No. 108 00:05:37,818 --> 00:05:39,407 So perhaps you could take us through 109 00:05:39,408 --> 00:05:41,797 exactly what happened between you in the Bull And Keg. 110 00:05:43,628 --> 00:05:46,487 We'd had a few drinks and Mark... 111 00:05:46,488 --> 00:05:49,907 Mr Costley had his hand on my knee. 112 00:05:49,908 --> 00:05:52,347 It was making me uncomfortable. 113 00:05:53,608 --> 00:05:55,677 Just having his hand on your knee? 114 00:05:55,678 --> 00:05:57,357 No. 115 00:05:59,938 --> 00:06:01,817 I have no wish to embarrass you, Sergeant, 116 00:06:01,818 --> 00:06:04,297 but can I suggest that you and Mr Costley 117 00:06:04,298 --> 00:06:06,787 had been drinking together since around 6pm? 118 00:06:06,788 --> 00:06:09,927 He had his hand on your knee beneath the table. 119 00:06:09,928 --> 00:06:13,577 At some point, he moved his hand under your skirt, 120 00:06:13,578 --> 00:06:16,627 down your tights and into your underwear... 121 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:21,267 where he proceeded, I believe the appropriate colloquialism is, 122 00:06:21,268 --> 00:06:22,627 to finger you. 123 00:06:22,628 --> 00:06:25,397 My Lord, I fail to see how this is in any way necessary. 124 00:06:25,398 --> 00:06:27,787 Well, I'm seeking to establish the fitness of the witness 125 00:06:27,788 --> 00:06:29,707 to assess the defendant's mental state. 126 00:06:29,708 --> 00:06:31,207 [KATE SLAMS THE DOOR] 127 00:06:31,208 --> 00:06:32,707 I'll allow this question. 128 00:06:32,708 --> 00:06:35,377 But move on swiftly, please, Ms Bonnard. 129 00:06:35,378 --> 00:06:39,317 Did Mr Costley insert his fingers into your vagina, Sergeant Johns? 130 00:06:45,969 --> 00:06:47,468 Yes. 131 00:06:47,471 --> 00:06:50,190 And did you prevent him from doing so, or object in any way? 132 00:06:51,738 --> 00:06:53,707 Not at the time, no. 133 00:06:53,708 --> 00:06:55,817 So in other words, you and Mr Costley 134 00:06:55,818 --> 00:06:58,352 had intimate sexual contact, did you not? 135 00:06:58,353 --> 00:07:02,242 You know, which in many people's eyes, constitutes a relationship. 136 00:07:08,333 --> 00:07:10,022 I told him I didn't like it. 137 00:07:10,023 --> 00:07:12,082 Was this in the pub? 138 00:07:14,293 --> 00:07:17,152 No. At work, the next day. 139 00:07:17,153 --> 00:07:18,692 It was embarrassing. 140 00:07:20,103 --> 00:07:22,962 I told him I wasn't interested and, after that, 141 00:07:22,963 --> 00:07:25,962 he made it clear that he was giving me the cold shoulder. 142 00:07:25,963 --> 00:07:29,242 Things got quite hostile on his part, actually. 143 00:07:29,243 --> 00:07:31,732 He started ignoring me in meetings and so on. 144 00:07:31,733 --> 00:07:33,512 He made it really difficult. 145 00:07:33,513 --> 00:07:36,286 So, when you told this court... 146 00:07:37,535 --> 00:07:40,934 that Mr Costley was "just Mark'"... 147 00:07:41,663 --> 00:07:44,382 in both November of last year, when Yvonne Carmichael 148 00:07:44,383 --> 00:07:47,357 sought his advice after her rape by George Selway 149 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,932 and in the days immediately preceding 150 00:07:48,933 --> 00:07:50,572 the killing of George Selway, 151 00:07:50,573 --> 00:07:52,352 did his "normal" pattern of behaviour 152 00:07:52,353 --> 00:07:54,422 include the sexual advances towards you 153 00:07:54,423 --> 00:07:56,812 and his "difficult" professional behaviour? 154 00:07:56,813 --> 00:08:00,652 I just meant... the day-to-day. It was nothing I couldn't handle. 155 00:08:00,653 --> 00:08:02,762 Is being felt up by a colleague in the pub normal, 156 00:08:02,763 --> 00:08:04,872 as far as you're concerned, Sergeant Johns? 157 00:08:04,873 --> 00:08:06,232 No! Of course it's not! 158 00:08:07,633 --> 00:08:10,452 No further questions for this witness, my Lord. 159 00:08:14,856 --> 00:08:16,305 No questions, my Lord. 160 00:08:18,283 --> 00:08:21,042 Thank you, Sergeant Johns. You may step down. 161 00:08:23,013 --> 00:08:24,932 YVONNE: Poor Sergeant Johns. 162 00:08:26,465 --> 00:08:29,616 Two weeks after I told you what George Selway did to me... 163 00:08:30,653 --> 00:08:33,372 you were in that pub with her. 164 00:08:33,373 --> 00:08:35,812 That's how much I mean to you. 165 00:08:35,813 --> 00:08:39,472 Dr. Sanderson, can you tell the jury what you do? 166 00:08:39,473 --> 00:08:41,722 I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist 167 00:08:41,723 --> 00:08:45,512 and I've been practising as such for the last 23 years. 168 00:08:45,513 --> 00:08:49,732 You conducted an assessment of Mark Costley while he was on remand. 169 00:08:49,733 --> 00:08:51,842 - Is that correct? - That's correct. 170 00:08:51,843 --> 00:08:54,092 Having examined Mark Costley, 171 00:08:54,093 --> 00:08:57,042 do you assess him as suffering from a personality disorder? 172 00:08:57,043 --> 00:08:58,922 - I do not. - Why is that? 173 00:09:00,283 --> 00:09:03,422 An individual with a personality disorder 174 00:09:03,423 --> 00:09:07,552 would not possess Mr Costley's solid work record, for one, 175 00:09:07,553 --> 00:09:10,692 or his complete lack of psychiatric history. 176 00:09:10,693 --> 00:09:13,872 It's also extremely unlikely 177 00:09:13,873 --> 00:09:16,262 that a personality-disordered individual 178 00:09:16,263 --> 00:09:18,752 would hold down a stable marriage, 179 00:09:18,753 --> 00:09:21,662 let alone a career in the civil service. 180 00:09:21,663 --> 00:09:24,332 And setting all that aside, 181 00:09:24,333 --> 00:09:25,972 during my assessment, 182 00:09:25,973 --> 00:09:30,002 Mr Costley displayed none of the signs or symptoms 183 00:09:30,003 --> 00:09:32,022 of a personality disorder. 184 00:09:32,023 --> 00:09:33,662 What are those? 185 00:09:33,663 --> 00:09:35,582 Emotional instability. 186 00:09:35,583 --> 00:09:38,342 Lack of individual identity. 187 00:09:38,343 --> 00:09:41,062 A pattern of run-ins with the law. 188 00:09:41,063 --> 00:09:42,802 Suicidal behaviours. 189 00:09:42,803 --> 00:09:45,242 Addictions of various kinds. 190 00:09:45,243 --> 00:09:46,972 So... 191 00:09:46,973 --> 00:09:50,862 during your examination, Mr Costley displayed none of these? 192 00:09:50,863 --> 00:09:52,132 No. 193 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:56,952 In my expert opinion, he has difficulty telling the truth. 194 00:09:56,953 --> 00:09:59,632 But the pursuit of extramarital sex 195 00:09:59,633 --> 00:10:02,162 and a tendency to embroider the facts 196 00:10:02,163 --> 00:10:05,492 do not mean that he is mentally unwell. 197 00:10:05,493 --> 00:10:09,102 Otherwise, half the men in the country would be seeking treatment. 198 00:10:13,323 --> 00:10:16,462 Coming now to previous offences on file... 199 00:10:16,463 --> 00:10:17,962 Yes. In 2005, 200 00:10:17,963 --> 00:10:20,582 Mark Costley pleaded guilty to the charge 201 00:10:20,583 --> 00:10:23,352 of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. 202 00:10:23,353 --> 00:10:25,642 Thank you, Detective Inspector Cleveland. 203 00:10:25,643 --> 00:10:28,462 That concludes the case for the Crown, my Lord. 204 00:10:34,503 --> 00:10:37,182 YVONNE: I don't know you at all, dol? 205 00:10:37,183 --> 00:10:38,722 I never did. 206 00:10:38,723 --> 00:10:42,382 And you are all that's standing between me and a prison sentence. 207 00:10:46,463 --> 00:10:48,902 GARY: I'm sorry I wasn't there this afternoon. 208 00:10:48,903 --> 00:10:51,012 I took Carrie in for a check-up. 209 00:10:51,013 --> 00:10:53,937 - But everything's OK, isn't it? - Yes. Yeah. 210 00:10:54,663 --> 00:10:57,852 - You would tell me if it wasn't? - Absolutely fine. 211 00:10:57,853 --> 00:10:59,912 Of course. 212 00:10:59,913 --> 00:11:01,832 The baby's just not ready to come out yet. 213 00:11:01,833 --> 00:11:03,902 All OK this afternoon? 214 00:11:05,023 --> 00:11:06,572 Yeah. 215 00:11:06,573 --> 00:11:08,492 Smoke and mirrors, you know? 216 00:11:09,763 --> 00:11:11,822 You know I love you. 217 00:11:11,823 --> 00:11:13,322 Stay strong, hm? 218 00:11:14,633 --> 00:11:17,022 - I'll see you tomorrow, love. - Bye. 219 00:11:17,023 --> 00:11:18,762 [GARY HANGS UP] 220 00:11:25,323 --> 00:11:27,712 Good morning, Dr. Carmichael. 221 00:11:27,713 --> 00:11:29,302 We're getting there. 222 00:11:29,303 --> 00:11:31,792 Even Ms. Bonnard shouldn't be able to spin her case out 223 00:11:31,793 --> 00:11:33,992 - beyond the end of today. - Really? 224 00:11:33,993 --> 00:11:37,702 Well, Mr. Costley won't be in the box, as they're pleading diminished. 225 00:11:37,703 --> 00:11:39,382 So, er... yeah. 226 00:11:39,383 --> 00:11:43,322 The... assault that the prosecution mentioned yesterday, 227 00:11:43,323 --> 00:11:46,322 that Mark was charged with, 228 00:11:46,323 --> 00:11:48,432 do you know the details? 229 00:11:48,433 --> 00:11:51,102 He, er... attacked a man outside a restaurant 230 00:11:51,103 --> 00:11:53,172 who was chatting up his wife, I believe. 231 00:11:53,173 --> 00:11:55,132 Broke his jaw. 232 00:11:55,133 --> 00:11:57,152 The defence managed to limit the admission, 233 00:11:57,153 --> 00:11:58,892 so the jury doesn't know that. 234 00:11:58,893 --> 00:12:01,422 It won't have exactly improved their opinion of him, though, 235 00:12:01,423 --> 00:12:05,032 - hearing he has a conviction. - Do you think they think it's murder? 236 00:12:06,153 --> 00:12:07,892 Well, in my experience, 237 00:12:07,893 --> 00:12:11,402 it's always best not to try and second-guess what a jury's thinking. 238 00:12:11,403 --> 00:12:14,212 Hopefully, the defence psychiatrist Ms. Bonnard is calling 239 00:12:14,213 --> 00:12:18,342 will help convince the jury that Mr. Costley is mad, rather than bad. 240 00:12:18,343 --> 00:12:20,682 Not that we're relying on his defence, you understand. 241 00:12:20,683 --> 00:12:23,072 But it would help our case, wouldn't it? 242 00:12:23,073 --> 00:12:26,542 Diminished responsibility. Manslaughter. 243 00:12:26,543 --> 00:12:28,372 It would help, certainly. 244 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:32,312 When I examined Mark Costley, 245 00:12:32,313 --> 00:12:35,782 he displayed very highly developed coping mechanisms, 246 00:12:35,783 --> 00:12:38,872 considering the situation he was in, the stress he was under. 247 00:12:38,873 --> 00:12:40,652 Coping... 248 00:12:40,653 --> 00:12:44,172 Isn't that the sign of someone who's psychologically healthy, Dr. Sadiq? 249 00:12:44,173 --> 00:12:47,642 Not necessarily. Not all patients with disordered personalities 250 00:12:47,643 --> 00:12:49,282 have chaotic lives. 251 00:12:49,283 --> 00:12:51,902 Very intelligent people, with good support systems, 252 00:12:51,903 --> 00:12:55,422 they can be what you could call high-functioning patients. 253 00:12:55,423 --> 00:12:58,652 Theircoping, in fact, masks more deep-seated symptoms. 254 00:12:58,653 --> 00:13:01,662 Could you tell us, Dr. Sadiq, how a personality disorder 255 00:13:01,663 --> 00:13:03,762 might be displayed in a patient... 256 00:13:03,763 --> 00:13:06,392 [CROSS EXAMINATION FADES AWAY] 257 00:13:06,393 --> 00:13:10,842 What did you think of me, the first time you saw me? Honestly? 258 00:13:10,843 --> 00:13:12,202 Well... 259 00:13:13,623 --> 00:13:15,022 I thought... 260 00:13:15,813 --> 00:13:17,082 I would. 261 00:13:17,083 --> 00:13:18,812 [SHE CHUCKLES] 262 00:13:18,813 --> 00:13:21,162 - Well, you did. Yeah. - I did. 263 00:13:21,163 --> 00:13:23,172 [SHE CHUCKLES] 264 00:13:23,173 --> 00:13:24,632 So was it just that? 265 00:13:24,633 --> 00:13:26,312 Seriously, like, "I would"? 266 00:13:27,343 --> 00:13:28,942 No, I just thought... 267 00:13:30,863 --> 00:13:33,062 you seemed to know what you were doing. 268 00:13:34,613 --> 00:13:36,162 No, not like that! 269 00:13:36,163 --> 00:13:38,172 Well, yes, like that. 270 00:13:41,553 --> 00:13:42,862 But you seemed... 271 00:13:46,515 --> 00:13:47,544 right. 272 00:13:49,753 --> 00:13:51,274 Sound... 273 00:14:01,103 --> 00:14:03,962 ...so, in Mr Costley's case, he dissociates. 274 00:14:03,963 --> 00:14:06,072 He detaches from real life 275 00:14:06,073 --> 00:14:08,272 and creates his own self-sustaining narrative. 276 00:14:08,273 --> 00:14:11,502 Forgive me, Doctor. Would you mind putting that in layperson's terms? 277 00:14:11,503 --> 00:14:13,102 Sorry. 278 00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:15,682 Patients like Mr. Costley, 279 00:14:15,683 --> 00:14:18,542 they make themselves the hero of their own story, 280 00:14:18,543 --> 00:14:21,212 almost like they're in a film, or a book, 281 00:14:21,213 --> 00:14:23,832 and they're watching themselves as the main character. 282 00:14:23,833 --> 00:14:26,602 And to other people, this tendency to make up stories, 283 00:14:26,603 --> 00:14:30,772 could it make the sufferer seem merely... a bit of a fantasist? 284 00:14:30,773 --> 00:14:33,162 It could look like that, on the outside, yes. 285 00:14:33,163 --> 00:14:36,772 But it would represent an abnormality of mental functioning, 286 00:14:36,773 --> 00:14:39,302 - is that correct? - That is correct. 287 00:14:40,383 --> 00:14:44,552 What happens, Dr Sadiq, when someone suffering from this type of disorder 288 00:14:44,553 --> 00:14:47,182 is put in an unusually stressful situation? 289 00:14:47,183 --> 00:14:50,272 Well, if their sense of safety is challenged 290 00:14:50,273 --> 00:14:53,132 by the loss of their stable environment, 291 00:14:53,133 --> 00:14:54,822 they decompensate. 292 00:14:54,823 --> 00:14:56,832 Decompensate... What does that mean? 293 00:14:56,833 --> 00:14:58,762 Act oddly, if you like. 294 00:14:58,763 --> 00:15:01,522 They might then start showing chaotic behaviour, 295 00:15:01,525 --> 00:15:04,662 disturbed behaviour, violent or self-destructive tendencies. 296 00:15:04,663 --> 00:15:07,052 - Violent, you say? - Yes. 297 00:15:07,053 --> 00:15:10,102 They might lash out, lose control completely. 298 00:15:10,103 --> 00:15:13,662 And in an altercation, Such as we can assume 299 00:15:13,663 --> 00:15:16,522 took place between George Selway and Mark Costley... 300 00:15:16,523 --> 00:15:18,452 - Objection! - Ms. Bonnard... 301 00:15:18,453 --> 00:15:19,902 My Lord. 302 00:15:22,433 --> 00:15:27,682 To be clear, Dr. Sadiq, in a personality-disordered individual, 303 00:15:27,683 --> 00:15:30,212 such as the type you're describing, 304 00:15:30,213 --> 00:15:33,402 could an argument or a physical threat 305 00:15:33,403 --> 00:15:35,792 substantially impair their ability to keep a grip 306 00:15:35,793 --> 00:15:37,952 on what a reasonable response might be? 307 00:15:37,953 --> 00:15:39,632 I think so, yes. 308 00:15:39,633 --> 00:15:43,392 Right, so their abnormality of mental functioning 309 00:15:43,393 --> 00:15:45,732 would, in this situation, 310 00:15:45,733 --> 00:15:49,812 affect their ability to exercise self-control? 311 00:15:49,813 --> 00:15:51,352 Yes, it would. 312 00:15:51,353 --> 00:15:53,842 Returning to Mark Costley, 313 00:15:53,843 --> 00:15:57,312 during your examination of him, what conclusions did you draw? 314 00:15:57,313 --> 00:16:00,782 I was struck by his almost inappropriate ability 315 00:16:00,783 --> 00:16:04,062 to manage this very stressful situation he was in 316 00:16:04,063 --> 00:16:06,592 as though he'd found a different story to tell himself. 317 00:16:06,593 --> 00:16:09,592 Added to the nature of the crime he's admitted to, 318 00:16:09,593 --> 00:16:12,822 his history of risky sexual encounters, 319 00:16:12,823 --> 00:16:16,532 even his attraction to the secret service... 320 00:16:16,533 --> 00:16:19,582 In my opinion, Mark Costley fits the profile of someone 321 00:16:19,583 --> 00:16:22,062 with a high-functioning personality disorder. 322 00:16:24,073 --> 00:16:25,202 Thank you. 323 00:16:28,103 --> 00:16:31,102 No questions for the witness, my Lord. 324 00:16:31,103 --> 00:16:33,492 Dr Sadiq, this theory of yours 325 00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:36,682 about so-called high-functioning personality disorders, 326 00:16:36,683 --> 00:16:40,202 am I correct in saying it formed the basis of your PhD thesis 327 00:16:40,203 --> 00:16:44,142 - at Kingston University? - Yes, that's right. 328 00:16:44,143 --> 00:16:46,672 So would it be fair to say it's your pet theory? 329 00:16:48,206 --> 00:16:50,735 Well... in a way. 330 00:16:51,503 --> 00:16:55,152 It's certainly a theory I've done a great deal of work on. 331 00:16:55,153 --> 00:16:58,012 - It explains a lot, in my opinion. - Indeed. 332 00:16:58,013 --> 00:17:01,342 But isn't it the case that your theory is countered 333 00:17:01,343 --> 00:17:04,342 by the recognised diagnostic categorisation systems 334 00:17:04,343 --> 00:17:07,532 - used in psychiatry? - Well, I wouldn't say countered. 335 00:17:07,533 --> 00:17:11,332 For instance, the Worldwide Disease Classification Index... 336 00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:13,622 Is high-functioning personality disorder 337 00:17:13,623 --> 00:17:16,112 included in the current manual, Dr Sadiq? 338 00:17:16,113 --> 00:17:18,402 It isn't in WDCI-IO. 339 00:17:18,403 --> 00:17:21,542 But we're hoping, by the time WDCI-II comes out, 340 00:17:21,543 --> 00:17:23,612 - it'll be included. - No doubt. 341 00:17:23,613 --> 00:17:26,982 But does high-functioning personality disorder 342 00:17:27,023 --> 00:17:30,502 appear anywhere in this highly respected reference work? 343 00:17:33,693 --> 00:17:35,232 Erm... 344 00:17:35,233 --> 00:17:38,842 it isn't yet classified as a separate diagnosis in the WDCI. 345 00:17:38,843 --> 00:17:43,162 But in WDCI-II, the intention is to move to a spectrum-based... 346 00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:44,702 Thank you, Dr Sadiq. 347 00:17:46,343 --> 00:17:50,562 In the Biannual Study Papers Of Mental Disorders, Volume 24, 348 00:17:50,563 --> 00:17:53,052 dated March 2013, 349 00:17:53,053 --> 00:17:57,132 there is a specific refutation of your theory 350 00:17:57,133 --> 00:17:59,282 in an article by Dr Michael Sedora, 351 00:17:59,283 --> 00:18:02,802 an expert in borderline personality disorders 352 00:18:02,803 --> 00:18:05,192 of some 22 years' standing. 353 00:18:05,193 --> 00:18:08,382 It's page 72, my Lord, footnote five. 354 00:18:08,383 --> 00:18:10,162 See "Sadiq, Kingston, 355 00:18:10,163 --> 00:18:12,502 High-Functioning Personality Disorder 356 00:18:12,503 --> 00:18:15,832 And The Disguise Of Pathological Trait Domains." 357 00:18:15,833 --> 00:18:19,162 That is the name of your PhD thesis, Dr Sadiq? 358 00:18:21,413 --> 00:18:22,392 Dr Sadiq? 359 00:18:23,893 --> 00:18:25,672 Yes, that's right. 360 00:18:27,833 --> 00:18:31,632 "I find no clinical evidence that the so-called 361 00:18:31,633 --> 00:18:35,522 high-functioning individual is able to disguise traits 362 00:18:35,523 --> 00:18:38,712 such as compulsivity or antagonism 363 00:18:38,713 --> 00:18:42,032 from family members or medical professionals." 364 00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:44,752 They're missing the fundamental point of my thesis, 365 00:18:44,753 --> 00:18:48,272 which is that personality is not a binary concept but a spectrum. 366 00:18:48,273 --> 00:18:52,492 "I discount entirely the existence of a high-functioning category 367 00:18:52,493 --> 00:18:54,462 separate from the current definition 368 00:18:54,463 --> 00:18:55,632 of personality disorders." 369 00:18:55,633 --> 00:18:58,632 There's a group of individuals, like Mr Costley, 370 00:18:58,633 --> 00:19:00,932 who have significant personality pathology, 371 00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:03,602 which may fall short of the current diagnosis of personality dis... 372 00:19:03,603 --> 00:19:04,962 Fall short? 373 00:19:12,553 --> 00:19:13,582 Indeed. 374 00:19:15,895 --> 00:19:19,965 "A subcategory of high-functioning personality disorder... 375 00:19:20,986 --> 00:19:23,364 remains unsubsta ntiated." 376 00:19:30,793 --> 00:19:32,902 No further questions, my Lord. 377 00:19:35,243 --> 00:19:36,552 YVONNE: Mad or bad? 378 00:19:37,773 --> 00:19:40,579 Right now, the jury thinks you're as sane as I am. 379 00:19:41,739 --> 00:19:43,418 They think you're a murderer. 380 00:19:56,573 --> 00:19:58,022 [HE MOUTHS] 381 00:20:22,990 --> 00:20:24,869 [HE TAPS LOUDLY] 382 00:20:26,483 --> 00:20:28,172 Yeah, OK, I'll come down. 383 00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:33,512 They were a bit worried because her waters had broken 384 00:20:33,513 --> 00:20:36,282 and nothing was happening, so they induced her 385 00:20:36,283 --> 00:20:39,462 and it was all fast and furious after that. 386 00:20:39,463 --> 00:20:42,134 But Carrie's OK? The baby's OK? 387 00:20:43,073 --> 00:20:47,045 - Who does he look like? - Oh, my nose maybe. Poor bugger! 388 00:20:47,048 --> 00:20:48,842 [HE CHUCKLES] 389 00:20:48,843 --> 00:20:52,452 You did tell Carrie that they wouldn't let me call the hospital? 390 00:20:52,453 --> 00:20:54,332 I'll give her all your love. 391 00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:57,472 And Sathnam. She knows you're thinking about her, love. 392 00:20:57,473 --> 00:20:58,872 Oh, God... 393 00:21:00,473 --> 00:21:02,672 I really wish I could have been there. 394 00:21:02,673 --> 00:21:03,982 I know. 395 00:21:05,723 --> 00:21:08,392 - Oh, bloody hell! - Oh, aye, come on, now... 396 00:21:08,393 --> 00:21:10,032 Hm? 397 00:21:10,033 --> 00:21:13,502 Home straight. Just remember everything Robert's told you 398 00:21:13,503 --> 00:21:16,312 about making a good impression 399 00:21:16,313 --> 00:21:20,783 and we'll get home and see that baby, yeah? 400 00:21:22,783 --> 00:21:24,232 Yeah. 401 00:21:25,263 --> 00:21:27,422 You will tell Carrie that I love her, won't you? 402 00:21:30,707 --> 00:21:33,846 - What are they going to call him? - Oh, I don't think they've decided yet. 403 00:21:34,923 --> 00:21:36,677 I'm keen on Gary Junior. 404 00:21:42,053 --> 00:21:44,252 Von, I want to be there tomorrow. 405 00:21:45,283 --> 00:21:46,882 For all of it. 406 00:21:46,883 --> 00:21:49,132 When you're questioned. 407 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,450 - But we agreed. - Yeah. 408 00:21:51,843 --> 00:21:54,888 Yeah. It's important, though. 409 00:21:56,583 --> 00:22:02,052 I've been thinking and I'm so sorry about all the shite over Rosa. 410 00:22:03,003 --> 00:22:04,642 No more secrets. 411 00:22:06,248 --> 00:22:08,167 Nowhere we can't go together. 412 00:22:09,399 --> 00:22:12,728 That's how all this happened in the first place, and I just... 413 00:22:15,103 --> 00:22:19,502 I just wish you'd been able to trust me with it. 414 00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:29,912 Oh, I'm sorry. 415 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:41,689 OK. 416 00:23:05,023 --> 00:23:06,852 What about me? 417 00:23:06,853 --> 00:23:09,242 What did you think the first time you saw me? 418 00:23:11,043 --> 00:23:12,582 You were just so... 419 00:23:13,513 --> 00:23:17,232 so comfortable in your own world. 420 00:23:20,123 --> 00:23:21,852 In that committee room. 421 00:23:21,853 --> 00:23:23,682 Just owning it. 422 00:23:26,683 --> 00:23:27,839 I loved that. 423 00:23:50,683 --> 00:23:53,922 [SHE GIGGLES] 424 00:23:53,923 --> 00:23:56,872 [LAUGHTER CONTINUES] 425 00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:06,202 All rise. 426 00:24:31,983 --> 00:24:36,202 Dr Carmichael, can you give us some idea of the kind of work involved 427 00:24:36,203 --> 00:24:38,972 in appearing at a House of Commons Select Committee? 428 00:24:38,973 --> 00:24:41,782 Erm... well, it doesn't really involve any extra work, 429 00:24:41,783 --> 00:24:43,422 apart from turning up. 430 00:24:44,453 --> 00:24:46,942 You're called to answer questions that cover your field. 431 00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:49,092 Your field being? 432 00:24:49,093 --> 00:24:52,702 The human genome and genetic engineering. 433 00:24:52,703 --> 00:24:56,082 And it was at the last of these occasions that you met Mark Costley? 434 00:24:56,083 --> 00:24:57,952 That's correct. 435 00:24:57,955 --> 00:25:00,354 Can you tell me your impressions of him? 436 00:25:01,473 --> 00:25:03,482 He was pleasant. 437 00:25:03,483 --> 00:25:06,266 Er, knowledgeable. I liked him. 438 00:25:07,143 --> 00:25:11,692 He gave me a guided tour of the Great Hall of Westminster, 439 00:25:11,693 --> 00:25:13,422 the Crypt Chapel. 440 00:25:14,783 --> 00:25:16,842 We met for coffee a few times. 441 00:25:16,843 --> 00:25:19,662 I work... I worked nearby. 442 00:25:19,663 --> 00:25:21,912 Did you meet purely as friends? 443 00:25:21,913 --> 00:25:23,412 Yes. 444 00:25:23,413 --> 00:25:27,248 His niece was considering a career in science and... 445 00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:30,392 Well, it's a bit of a hobby-horse of mine, 446 00:25:30,393 --> 00:25:33,162 getting women and girls into science as a career, so... 447 00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:36,912 My own daughter's a scientist. 448 00:25:38,273 --> 00:25:41,882 So we talked about that and I gave him some advice. 449 00:25:41,883 --> 00:25:43,852 Dr Carmichael, we now have to discuss 450 00:25:43,853 --> 00:25:46,192 the events that have led, indirectly, 451 00:25:46,193 --> 00:25:48,112 to you being here, 452 00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:51,442 in a position you never would have imagined yourself to be in. 453 00:26:07,383 --> 00:26:09,862 [INAUDIBLE] 454 00:26:18,253 --> 00:26:19,612 It didn't seem real. 455 00:26:21,863 --> 00:26:23,792 Although it was... 456 00:26:23,793 --> 00:26:27,072 the most, most shocking thing that's ever happened to me. 457 00:26:29,842 --> 00:26:31,811 When it was over... 458 00:26:31,812 --> 00:26:35,421 he acted as if it was completely normal. 459 00:26:35,422 --> 00:26:37,717 And I got in the cab with him because... 460 00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:41,298 I didn't know what else to do. 461 00:26:42,682 --> 00:26:45,591 Some people will find it hard to understand 462 00:26:45,592 --> 00:26:47,511 why you didn't even tell your husband 463 00:26:47,512 --> 00:26:49,341 about this horrific, vicious attack. 464 00:26:52,622 --> 00:26:56,231 I would have found it hard, before it happened to me. 465 00:26:56,232 --> 00:26:57,871 To understand, I mean. 466 00:26:59,942 --> 00:27:01,761 But it seemed so clear. 467 00:27:07,342 --> 00:27:09,361 I didn't want what he did... 468 00:27:11,012 --> 00:27:14,571 in my life, in my home. 469 00:27:19,572 --> 00:27:21,871 I didn't want to be sitting in my kitchen, 470 00:27:21,872 --> 00:27:25,150 having a meal with my husband and wonder... 471 00:27:27,502 --> 00:27:31,643 two years later, five years later, whatever... 472 00:27:34,062 --> 00:27:38,241 wonder if he was thinking about it, or... 473 00:27:40,952 --> 00:27:44,381 for him to raise it, or talk about it... 474 00:27:46,162 --> 00:27:48,311 when I wasn't ready. 475 00:27:48,352 --> 00:27:50,191 I wasn't ready. 476 00:27:50,192 --> 00:27:53,851 [SHE SOBS] 477 00:28:03,692 --> 00:28:07,961 George Selway treated me as a collection of holes and... 478 00:28:10,532 --> 00:28:15,831 at least, by not telling Gary, I had control over that one thing. 479 00:28:21,272 --> 00:28:25,581 What was your intention when you went to see Mark Costley 480 00:28:25,582 --> 00:28:28,491 to ask his advice about George Selway? 481 00:28:28,492 --> 00:28:30,691 I just wanted it to stop. 482 00:28:31,772 --> 00:28:35,051 E-mailing me, texting, following me. 483 00:28:37,162 --> 00:28:41,011 When George turned up near my house, I... 484 00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:43,021 I was just so frightened. 485 00:28:45,082 --> 00:28:46,541 To be clear... 486 00:28:47,662 --> 00:28:51,511 did you wish George Selway physical harm? 487 00:28:51,512 --> 00:28:53,241 No. 488 00:28:53,242 --> 00:28:57,741 Did you encourage or urge Mr Mark Costley to kill George Selway? 489 00:28:57,742 --> 00:28:58,771 No! 490 00:29:00,182 --> 00:29:02,711 While you were waiting, in the car, 491 00:29:02,712 --> 00:29:05,901 were you aware of what was taking place in George Selway's flat? 492 00:29:07,772 --> 00:29:09,371 No. 493 00:29:10,772 --> 00:29:14,381 JUDGE: I suggest, given the very obvious distress of the witness, 494 00:29:14,382 --> 00:29:16,541 we'll adjourn for a short break. 495 00:29:36,602 --> 00:29:39,651 Dr Carmichael, I have no wish to distress you. 496 00:29:39,652 --> 00:29:42,511 But could I ask you a few more questions 497 00:29:42,512 --> 00:29:44,991 about the night you claim you were attacked 498 00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:47,431 by the victim in this case? 499 00:29:47,432 --> 00:29:48,881 Of course. 500 00:29:50,152 --> 00:29:52,591 Now, earlier on that day, the day of the party, 501 00:29:52,592 --> 00:29:55,731 - you were working at home? - Yes, that's right. 502 00:29:55,732 --> 00:29:59,951 And then you got into your party dress and took the Tube into town. 503 00:29:59,952 --> 00:30:02,291 - Is that correct? - That's correct. 504 00:30:04,964 --> 00:30:09,601 Now, you've said you were at the party with Mr Selway for some hours, 505 00:30:09,602 --> 00:30:11,901 drinking with him, before you went with him 506 00:30:11,902 --> 00:30:14,711 up to his secluded office on the fifth floor, 507 00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:16,451 an area of the building you knew 508 00:30:16,452 --> 00:30:18,561 would be empty at that time of night. 509 00:30:18,562 --> 00:30:19,537 Well, as I said, 510 00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:22,357 he mentioned something about getting some papers from his office. 511 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,082 Yes. Just to establish, 512 00:30:24,085 --> 00:30:27,231 when you were drinking and smoking with Mr Selway, 513 00:30:27,232 --> 00:30:30,331 you were, for a time, seated together outside 514 00:30:30,334 --> 00:30:32,370 in a small courtyard in the middle of the building? 515 00:30:32,373 --> 00:30:34,081 Yes. I wasn't smoking. 516 00:30:35,575 --> 00:30:37,594 You were keeping him company, then. 517 00:30:39,034 --> 00:30:41,811 When you were seated together outside, 518 00:30:41,812 --> 00:30:45,182 can you recall placing your hand on Mr Selway's knee? 519 00:30:46,032 --> 00:30:47,120 No, I can't. 520 00:30:47,123 --> 00:30:49,282 Can you recall him placing his hand on your knee? 521 00:30:54,282 --> 00:30:57,141 He may have done, yes. 522 00:30:57,142 --> 00:31:00,841 I think he did, just on my knee, to steady himself. 523 00:31:02,532 --> 00:31:04,031 Er... 524 00:31:04,032 --> 00:31:08,061 We were all laughing, in a group. 525 00:31:08,062 --> 00:31:10,691 It wasn't just the two of us and... 526 00:31:10,692 --> 00:31:13,271 I was a bit unsteady and so was he, and... 527 00:31:14,912 --> 00:31:17,911 I put my hand on his knee, just to steady myself. 528 00:31:17,912 --> 00:31:19,781 So you put your hand on his knee? 529 00:31:23,217 --> 00:31:25,451 Or he did on mine. He... 530 00:31:25,452 --> 00:31:28,850 He was filling up my glass. It could have been both. 531 00:31:30,142 --> 00:31:32,061 You were flirting, weren't you? 532 00:31:32,062 --> 00:31:34,311 No, I wouldn't say that. 533 00:31:34,312 --> 00:31:37,971 We were talking, joking, in a group of people. 534 00:31:37,972 --> 00:31:40,171 Well, let's not get into a detailed discussion 535 00:31:40,172 --> 00:31:43,501 on the definition of flirting, Dr Carmichael. 536 00:31:43,502 --> 00:31:47,581 Did you, or did you not, tell George Selway you were promiscuous? 537 00:31:47,582 --> 00:31:49,131 No! Absolutely not! 538 00:31:49,132 --> 00:31:51,663 - Well, you seem very certain about that. - I am. 539 00:31:51,666 --> 00:31:55,321 And if anybody thinks they heard me say that, they're mistaken. 540 00:31:55,322 --> 00:31:57,611 Or drunk. There was a lot of drinking going on that night. 541 00:31:57,612 --> 00:31:59,771 Yes, I'm not talking about the party. 542 00:31:59,772 --> 00:32:02,441 Do you remember the occasion you spent two days with George Selway, 543 00:32:02,442 --> 00:32:04,457 a month or so before he was killed? 544 00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:07,181 You're talking about when we interviewed for the junior research fellowship. 545 00:32:07,182 --> 00:32:08,531 - Of course I remember. - Good. 546 00:32:08,532 --> 00:32:11,391 Then you might also remember telling George Selway, 547 00:32:11,392 --> 00:32:14,961 in front of a room full of people, you were promiscuous. 548 00:32:16,362 --> 00:32:17,681 No. 549 00:32:18,752 --> 00:32:21,331 Absolutely not. I said no such thing. 550 00:32:21,332 --> 00:32:22,461 Really? 551 00:32:22,462 --> 00:32:26,771 Did you or did you not describe yourself as "really easy"? 552 00:32:29,582 --> 00:32:32,021 - That's ridiculous! - Oh, so you do remember? 553 00:32:32,022 --> 00:32:35,401 "I like to pretend I'm classy, but I'm really easy." 554 00:32:35,402 --> 00:32:37,461 I... I was talking about the coffee machine! 555 00:32:37,462 --> 00:32:38,961 He'd brought us some coffees. 556 00:32:38,962 --> 00:32:41,631 I'm not asking you for the context of the comment, Dr Carmichael. 557 00:32:41,632 --> 00:32:43,651 I'm sure you were bantering away with Mr Selway 558 00:32:43,652 --> 00:32:44,681 on all manner of subjects. 559 00:32:44,682 --> 00:32:47,021 Just please answer the question, "really easy", 560 00:32:47,022 --> 00:32:49,881 - did you use that exact phrase? - That is ludicrous. 561 00:32:49,882 --> 00:32:52,181 - You can take anything out of context. - Yes or no? 562 00:32:52,182 --> 00:32:54,151 You're trying to create a false impression 563 00:32:54,152 --> 00:32:56,261 - of the kind of relationship that we had. - Yes or no? 564 00:32:56,262 --> 00:32:58,181 Not in the way that you mean! 565 00:33:08,888 --> 00:33:10,477 This is why... 566 00:33:11,737 --> 00:33:15,271 This is why I didn't want to bring this to court in the first place. 567 00:33:25,608 --> 00:33:28,467 It's not the only reason, is it, Dr Carmichael? 568 00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:38,349 Why didn't you report the alleged rape by George Selway? 569 00:33:39,535 --> 00:33:42,670 Often these cases are conducted as if... 570 00:33:42,671 --> 00:33:44,740 the victim has committed a crime. 571 00:33:46,001 --> 00:33:48,060 And I felt that I'd been through enough. 572 00:33:48,061 --> 00:33:49,470 Well, this isn't a rape trial. 573 00:33:49,471 --> 00:33:51,210 And you have been charged with a crime, 574 00:33:51,211 --> 00:33:53,170 the most serious crime there is. 575 00:33:53,171 --> 00:33:55,280 Now, forgive me, you said it was eight years 576 00:33:55,281 --> 00:33:57,530 you worked for the Beaufort Institute. 577 00:33:57,531 --> 00:33:59,310 Erm... 578 00:33:59,311 --> 00:34:03,210 Full time, yes. And more recently part time. 579 00:34:03,211 --> 00:34:04,420 Of course. 580 00:34:04,421 --> 00:34:07,940 And during those eight years, you commuted every day? 581 00:34:07,941 --> 00:34:10,100 The Tube to St James's and then a walk? 582 00:34:11,271 --> 00:34:12,300 Yes. 583 00:34:13,431 --> 00:34:16,240 And lunch hours, coffee breaks, 584 00:34:16,241 --> 00:34:19,038 plenty of places to eat around there. 585 00:34:19,041 --> 00:34:22,290 - Pubs after work, so on. - My Lord, really! 586 00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:26,595 - Forgive me, my Lord, I am getting there. - Then do, please, Ms Bonnard. 587 00:34:28,101 --> 00:34:30,680 Dr Carmichael, in your professional capacity, 588 00:34:30,681 --> 00:34:33,860 you have been working in or visiting the Borough of Westminster 589 00:34:33,861 --> 00:34:36,400 for, what, around 12 years? Longer? 590 00:34:36,401 --> 00:34:37,990 Erm... 591 00:34:37,991 --> 00:34:39,300 longer, probably. 592 00:34:39,301 --> 00:34:43,520 So it's fair to say you are very familiar with the area. 593 00:34:43,521 --> 00:34:47,550 What with all the commuting and lunch hours, walking, so on? 594 00:34:49,051 --> 00:34:50,460 It... 595 00:34:50,461 --> 00:34:51,870 Yes. 596 00:34:53,411 --> 00:34:55,150 You know it intimately... 597 00:34:57,161 --> 00:34:59,040 this little corner of St James. 598 00:35:00,491 --> 00:35:02,600 The highways and byways. 599 00:35:03,911 --> 00:35:05,510 The shops and cafes. 600 00:35:10,381 --> 00:35:12,160 The side streets. 601 00:35:12,161 --> 00:35:14,277 The back alleyways. 602 00:35:25,818 --> 00:35:29,517 You're familiar, Dr Carmichael... 603 00:35:29,518 --> 00:35:32,887 with a small alleyway called Apple Tree Yard? 604 00:35:46,158 --> 00:35:48,077 Apple Tree Yard... 605 00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:53,097 is the alleyway in the Borough of Westminster, 606 00:35:53,098 --> 00:35:55,537 St James to be precise, 607 00:35:55,538 --> 00:35:59,657 where you had intercourse with your lover, Mark Costley, 608 00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,107 in a public street, 609 00:36:01,108 --> 00:36:04,907 quite quickly, I imagine, during rush hour, standing up in a doorway. 610 00:36:04,908 --> 00:36:07,347 Isn't that the case, Dr Carmichael? 611 00:36:16,438 --> 00:36:17,897 It... 612 00:36:20,098 --> 00:36:21,227 It wasn't rush hour. 613 00:36:22,818 --> 00:36:25,627 Well, I apologise for any inaccuracy as to timings, 614 00:36:25,628 --> 00:36:29,007 but you will forgive me for doubting the absolute credibility 615 00:36:29,008 --> 00:36:31,487 of any account you're willing to give this court. 616 00:36:31,488 --> 00:36:34,867 You know, you are facing a charge of murder. 617 00:36:34,868 --> 00:36:37,727 Don't you think it's time you started telling the truth? 618 00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:39,647 You've lied, haven't you? 619 00:36:40,868 --> 00:36:43,297 You have lied to your husband 620 00:36:43,298 --> 00:36:44,897 and you've lied to the police 621 00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:47,897 and you have lied to this court! Well, haven't you? 622 00:36:57,228 --> 00:36:58,587 Yes. 623 00:37:02,148 --> 00:37:03,737 I beg your pardon? 624 00:37:05,618 --> 00:37:07,117 Yes. 625 00:37:14,428 --> 00:37:18,087 Did you ask my client to kill George Selway? 626 00:37:18,088 --> 00:37:19,347 No. 627 00:37:19,348 --> 00:37:22,347 - Are you telling the truth? - Yes! 628 00:37:22,348 --> 00:37:24,927 Did you tell him you were raped, Dr Carmichael? 629 00:37:24,928 --> 00:37:26,477 Isaid... Yes. 630 00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:28,677 - And were you raped? Is that the truth? - Yes! Yes! 631 00:37:28,678 --> 00:37:30,037 Yes! 632 00:37:55,225 --> 00:37:57,994 As you went to the party that night... 633 00:38:00,468 --> 00:38:03,647 after you had had sex with my client... 634 00:38:10,168 --> 00:38:12,047 were you wearing underwear? 635 00:38:36,418 --> 00:38:39,087 Please, at least tell me that the sex was good. 636 00:38:48,798 --> 00:38:49,777 Why? 637 00:38:51,252 --> 00:38:53,041 Why with someone like that? 638 00:38:54,238 --> 00:38:58,007 He didn't seem... the way he sounds in court. He... 639 00:38:58,688 --> 00:39:00,417 He made me feel... 640 00:39:01,918 --> 00:39:06,377 - Gary wants to talk to you so much - I can't.... I can't. 641 00:39:06,378 --> 00:39:08,907 No. No, it wouldjust finish me off. 642 00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:11,749 Think about it. 643 00:39:12,888 --> 00:39:15,237 Isn't it going to do more damage this way? 644 00:39:15,238 --> 00:39:19,357 Damage? Suse, the damage is done. 645 00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:21,747 You saw the jury's faces. I'm going to prison. 646 00:39:21,748 --> 00:39:23,717 - You don't know that. - Yes, I do. 647 00:39:23,718 --> 00:39:25,877 - The trial isn't over yet. - Yes, it is. It is. 648 00:39:25,878 --> 00:39:27,327 It is for me. 649 00:39:33,122 --> 00:39:36,361 You know, the one thing that Gary's always said that he couldn't bear... 650 00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:38,627 is humiliation. 651 00:39:38,628 --> 00:39:39,607 Didn't you think? 652 00:39:41,438 --> 00:39:42,847 What? 653 00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,397 [SHE SIGHS] 654 00:39:44,398 --> 00:39:48,590 If you were having this thing with Mark Costley, then... 655 00:39:49,738 --> 00:39:53,257 surely your marriage was over anyway? 656 00:39:53,258 --> 00:39:56,107 Do you really think that it's that cut and dried? 657 00:39:56,108 --> 00:39:58,737 God, Suse, I'd expect that from Carrie, but you, of all people... 658 00:39:58,738 --> 00:40:00,797 I am trying to understand. 659 00:40:00,798 --> 00:40:04,597 You should know that a marriage is not what it seems from the outside. 660 00:40:05,718 --> 00:40:09,007 What, Jay? Well, Jay's a bit different from Gary. 661 00:40:09,008 --> 00:40:11,627 Well, you've always held Gary up as some kind of shining star. 662 00:40:11,628 --> 00:40:13,507 Because he is a good man! 663 00:40:21,988 --> 00:40:23,867 Yes, he is. 664 00:40:25,318 --> 00:40:26,397 Of course he is. 665 00:40:36,198 --> 00:40:37,787 When I started my degree... 666 00:40:39,808 --> 00:40:42,657 I was going to dedicate my life to science. 667 00:40:44,868 --> 00:40:46,367 And then... 668 00:40:47,538 --> 00:40:51,057 the first week of the first term, there he was. 669 00:40:51,058 --> 00:40:53,019 So specific. 670 00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:56,959 There, in the lab... 671 00:40:58,370 --> 00:41:01,369 being so bloody certain about everything. 672 00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:05,019 With his shirt tucked in. 673 00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:08,209 And his thousand-yard stare. 674 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,519 30 years, nearly. 675 00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:18,429 Don't you think that's worth fighting for? 676 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,819 Ladies and gentlemen, 677 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,169 the dramatic revelations of the last days 678 00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:08,119 have served only to strengthen the prosecution's case, 679 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,169 that it is beyond reasonable doubt 680 00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:13,889 that Mark Costley and Yvonne Carmichael are both guilty 681 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:15,949 of the murder of George Selway. 682 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:19,039 Whose idea was it to drive to Selway's flat that day? 683 00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:23,779 Yvonne Carmichael has admitted it was her idea. 684 00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:25,749 Tragically... 685 00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:29,309 Mr Costley's already marked tendencies as a fantasist 686 00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:31,749 and his inability to tell the difference 687 00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:34,839 between reality and a story of his own invention 688 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,169 found its flashpoint at that unbearable moment 689 00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:41,829 when he confronted the man he believed to have raped his lover. 690 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,339 Yvonne Carmichael had suffered a brutal and degrading rape 691 00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:49,889 at the hands of George Selway, 692 00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:55,419 who then added to this quite devastating trauma by stalking her. 693 00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:57,859 She just wanted it to stop. 694 00:42:57,860 --> 00:43:00,809 There is no evidence that she wanted him dead. 695 00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:03,859 There's no evidence that she asked for it. 696 00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:06,059 Mark Costley was in his own world 697 00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:08,359 when he entered George Selway's flat, 698 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,329 on a mission of his own making. 699 00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:13,519 It comes down to this... 700 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,049 Does having an affair with Mark Costley, 701 00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:17,549 keeping it secret, 702 00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:21,717 make Dr Carmichael a murderer? 703 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,169 Not... 704 00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:26,219 does it make her unsavoury, inappropriate? 705 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:28,852 Your private judgment is your own concern. 706 00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:34,139 Does it make her... a murderer? 707 00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,469 It's time. 708 00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:55,889 [DOOR BUZZER SOUNDS] 709 00:44:01,570 --> 00:44:04,569 YVONNE: Courts aren't about the truth. 710 00:44:04,570 --> 00:44:06,769 They're about who tells the best story. 711 00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:14,499 You know all about that. 712 00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:16,329 You're the expert. 713 00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:26,689 You caught me so easily. 714 00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:29,739 But then, I think now... 715 00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:31,659 I was waiting to be caught. 716 00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:59,369 Madam Foreperson, 717 00:44:59,370 --> 00:45:03,449 has the jury reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed? 718 00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:04,849 Yes. 719 00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:08,039 Would the defendants please stand? 720 00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:17,699 Do you find the defendant Mark Liam Costley 721 00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:22,239 guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway? 722 00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:26,039 We find the defendant not guilty. 723 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,489 Do you find the defendant Yvonne Carmichael 724 00:45:33,490 --> 00:45:37,669 guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway? 725 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,279 Not guilty. 726 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,139 Upon count two of this indictment, 727 00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:50,279 do you find the defendant Mark Liam Costley 728 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,369 guilty or not guilty of manslaughter? 729 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,899 Guilty. 730 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,039 Do you find the defendant Yvonne Carmichael 731 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,339 guilty or not guilty of manslaughter? 732 00:46:09,590 --> 00:46:11,039 We find the defendant... 733 00:46:18,144 --> 00:46:19,833 not guilty. 734 00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:19,669 Congratulations. 735 00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:26,239 YVONNE: Dear X... 736 00:48:27,584 --> 00:48:28,803 Dear Mark... 737 00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:34,119 with good behaviour and the all clear from your psychiatrist, 738 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,129 you'll be free in five years. 739 00:48:41,523 --> 00:48:44,102 They found me guilty of perjury. 740 00:48:44,105 --> 00:48:45,744 Suspended sentence. 741 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,049 Sounds about right, "suspended." 742 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,239 Hanging above me, 743 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,959 a sword that could fall on my neck at any time. 744 00:48:56,858 --> 00:48:58,819 And of course... 745 00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:01,259 my good behaviour has to last a lifetime. 746 00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:21,229 When do you think Carrie will be ready to see me? 747 00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:25,399 I think that's best discussed between you and her, don't you? 748 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,389 You can do no wrong in her eyes, you know that. 749 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,889 Yeah, well, we're all on a learning curve, aren't we? 750 00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:35,149 Gary... 751 00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:38,479 Does she know about you and Rosa? 752 00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:43,119 There's nothing to tell any more, is there? So, no point. 753 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,119 Surely it's only fair that she knows something about... 754 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,069 what was going on with you and us? 755 00:49:49,070 --> 00:49:51,229 Oh, you really want to go there, do you? 756 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,759 Jesus Christ... 757 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,729 Fairness? 758 00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:57,609 Transparency? 759 00:49:59,670 --> 00:50:02,759 There were so many opportunities to tell me. 760 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,729 So many points. 761 00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:07,729 The rape. 762 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,219 Him. 763 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,259 I would have understood. I know you would. 764 00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:18,229 So why? Because you had to win, 765 00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:20,719 you had to be the best at everything, even marriage? 766 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,399 Could you just not bear the thought 767 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,889 of not having something to hold against me for once? 768 00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:27,369 That we both might have fucked up, even-stevens? 769 00:50:27,370 --> 00:50:29,759 - Is that what you think? - Yes, that's what I think! 770 00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:34,919 I think you think I've been the bad one. 771 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,609 That's how it's worked! 772 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,749 I'm sorry. 773 00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:06,189 Iam. 774 00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:12,329 And I'll say it every day, for as long as it takes. 775 00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:37,969 [DRILLING] 776 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:09,057 Thank you for agreeing to see me. 777 00:52:16,698 --> 00:52:18,477 Yvonne... 778 00:52:18,478 --> 00:52:20,357 in court... 779 00:52:20,358 --> 00:52:21,997 when I, erm... 780 00:52:23,218 --> 00:52:25,557 I told my barrister about us... 781 00:52:27,388 --> 00:52:30,247 she just twisted everything. 782 00:52:32,398 --> 00:52:33,297 I'm so sorry. 783 00:52:37,798 --> 00:52:39,667 I think I understand. 784 00:52:41,358 --> 00:52:42,857 You panicked. 785 00:52:45,454 --> 00:52:48,123 Is... that what happened with George? 786 00:52:50,118 --> 00:52:51,907 I know you didn't mean to kill him. 787 00:52:51,908 --> 00:52:54,857 You wouldn't have let me drive you to his house... 788 00:52:57,298 --> 00:52:58,837 if you'd meant to kill him. 789 00:52:58,838 --> 00:53:00,477 Ijust wanted to teach him a lesson. 790 00:53:01,658 --> 00:53:03,017 For you. 791 00:53:05,308 --> 00:53:07,047 I wanted you to feel safe. 792 00:53:16,888 --> 00:53:18,487 I lied to you. 793 00:53:25,558 --> 00:53:28,987 Brilliant geneticist, one of the country's leading scientists... 794 00:53:28,988 --> 00:53:30,107 I'm not. 795 00:53:31,378 --> 00:53:35,217 I haven't produced an original piece of work for years. 796 00:53:37,328 --> 00:53:39,487 I was never anybody important. 797 00:53:44,044 --> 00:53:46,343 You made me feel important. 798 00:53:50,218 --> 00:53:52,657 I don't know what you want me to say. 799 00:53:54,298 --> 00:53:55,937 I'm sorry. 800 00:53:58,848 --> 00:54:00,397 Mark... 801 00:54:02,788 --> 00:54:04,607 [SHE SIGHS HEAVILY] 802 00:54:06,208 --> 00:54:07,937 The feelings... 803 00:54:09,438 --> 00:54:11,217 they were real. 804 00:54:12,538 --> 00:54:14,787 Mine were, at least. 805 00:54:14,788 --> 00:54:16,607 And mine, too. 806 00:54:18,868 --> 00:54:21,437 That's why I told her about us. 807 00:54:21,438 --> 00:54:23,507 Because how else would anyone know? 808 00:54:26,318 --> 00:54:27,577 How would they know? 809 00:54:31,148 --> 00:54:33,767 That it had been... real. 810 00:54:41,458 --> 00:54:44,407 It was just everything else that wasn't. 811 00:54:57,868 --> 00:55:01,987 YVONNE: If relationships are stories, 812 00:55:01,988 --> 00:55:04,055 there is no happy ending for ours. 813 00:55:06,118 --> 00:55:10,489 But life, as they say, goes on. 814 00:55:22,528 --> 00:55:25,007 [BABY GURGLES] 815 00:55:50,178 --> 00:55:52,007 MARK: Yvonne... 816 00:55:58,108 --> 00:55:59,837 What you said to me in the flat... 817 00:56:02,368 --> 00:56:03,397 The safe house. 818 00:56:05,468 --> 00:56:07,057 I never told them. 819 00:56:10,948 --> 00:56:12,217 I didn't. 820 00:56:21,118 --> 00:56:23,277 So what do you want? 821 00:56:25,298 --> 00:56:27,217 I want you to kill him. 822 00:56:27,218 --> 00:56:29,507 [SHE LAUGHS] 823 00:56:31,590 --> 00:56:34,539 I want you to smash his fucking face in. 824 00:56:47,978 --> 00:56:49,767 People can say anything. 825 00:56:58,488 --> 00:57:01,157 You really can't tell the difference, can you? 826 00:57:16,228 --> 00:57:23,330 - Synced and corrected by VitoSilans - -- www.Addic7ed.com -- 63045

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