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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:40,456 Hi, um, I'm here to see Chuck Palmer. Hannah Horvath. 2 00:00:40,915 --> 00:00:42,250 - 4-B. - Thanks. 3 00:01:28,004 --> 00:01:29,422 - Hi. - Hi. I'm Hannah... 4 00:01:29,505 --> 00:01:32,883 Hannah... Hannah. Yeah, I know. It's, uh, nice to meet you. 5 00:01:34,343 --> 00:01:35,386 Shoes-off household? 6 00:01:35,469 --> 00:01:38,514 Uh, yes. Sorry, I'm... I'm that asshole now. 7 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:41,809 I mean, I have my, uh, special slippers, 8 00:01:41,934 --> 00:01:43,102 but, uh, these are just for me. 9 00:01:43,185 --> 00:01:47,356 Um, if you could put them in the same line as the others, that'd be great. 10 00:01:47,481 --> 00:01:48,482 - Of course, yeah. - Yeah. 11 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:53,362 I'm... I'm sorry, if they could... If they could not touch the suede boots... 12 00:01:53,446 --> 00:01:54,697 It's just a whole thing. 13 00:01:54,780 --> 00:01:55,781 Thank you. 14 00:02:25,645 --> 00:02:28,856 Are you sure I can't take your bag? 15 00:02:28,898 --> 00:02:30,441 No, I'm good. Thanks. 16 00:02:30,524 --> 00:02:32,234 How about your red tote bag? 17 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:34,487 I'll hold onto this too. I'm not planning to stay so long. 18 00:02:34,570 --> 00:02:36,614 Sure. Fine, yeah. Here, sit. 19 00:02:44,789 --> 00:02:46,457 It was, um... 20 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:48,751 It's good of you to show. 21 00:02:48,834 --> 00:02:51,253 Well, I wasn't going to not show, I was just surprised. 22 00:02:51,295 --> 00:02:53,130 Surprised what, that I wanted to talk? 23 00:02:53,214 --> 00:02:57,176 Yeah, I just... Surprised that you found the article that I wrote. 24 00:02:57,259 --> 00:02:59,428 I mean, you must have an ass-deep Google alert on yourself. 25 00:02:59,512 --> 00:03:02,932 This was like a niche feminist website, it's not the front page of the Times. 26 00:03:03,057 --> 00:03:04,767 Well, let's just say I'm hypervigilant these days. 27 00:03:04,850 --> 00:03:08,521 Look, I'm not trying to get an apology out of you. 28 00:03:08,604 --> 00:03:09,772 - Okay, good. - Okay, good. 29 00:03:09,855 --> 00:03:12,858 I'm just looking to give my side of the story. 30 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:15,277 Okay, but first there's something that I'd like to say. 31 00:03:15,361 --> 00:03:18,280 Oh, sure, uh, go right ahead, Hannah. 32 00:03:21,909 --> 00:03:26,122 I'm a writer, you know, and I may not be a rich writer or a famous writer 33 00:03:26,205 --> 00:03:28,749 or a writer with a picture of myself hanging out with Toni Morrison... 34 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:31,502 - Good catch. - Well, you put it right in my face, so. 35 00:03:31,794 --> 00:03:33,129 Yeah, yeah, I did. 36 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:35,548 But I am a writer, and as such, I think I'm obligated 37 00:03:35,631 --> 00:03:40,761 to use my voice to talk about things that are meaningful to me, 38 00:03:40,803 --> 00:03:43,264 and I read something about you that troubled me, 39 00:03:43,305 --> 00:03:46,976 that troubled me greatly, namely that you were using your power and your influence 40 00:03:47,017 --> 00:03:52,398 to involve yourself sexually with college students on your book tour. 41 00:03:52,481 --> 00:03:55,526 And whether all those sexual encounters were consensual or not, or how... 42 00:03:55,609 --> 00:03:58,529 Okay, hold up. Because that's where this all gets pretty fucking messy, 43 00:03:58,612 --> 00:04:01,365 when words like consensual are thrown around. 44 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:02,825 That's why I'm not sleeping. 45 00:04:02,908 --> 00:04:05,411 That... That is definitely why I've lost 20 pounds. 46 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,038 Well, that sounds lucky, I would love that. 47 00:04:08,539 --> 00:04:11,167 Look, Hannah, you're clearly very bright, 48 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:12,960 I could tell that from the first sentence you wrote. 49 00:04:13,043 --> 00:04:15,838 Uh, thank you, you printed out a blog? 50 00:04:15,921 --> 00:04:17,840 No, I have assistants who can do that for me. 51 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:21,552 "If one more male writer I love reveals himself to be a heinous sleazebag, 52 00:04:21,677 --> 00:04:24,680 "I'm going to do a bunch of murders, create a new isle of Lesbos, 53 00:04:24,764 --> 00:04:26,348 "and never look back." 54 00:04:26,432 --> 00:04:28,267 You're funny, that's a funny sentence. 55 00:04:28,350 --> 00:04:29,435 Thank you. 56 00:04:29,518 --> 00:04:34,523 But you should be using your funny to tackle subjects that matter. 57 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:39,111 Me, who I may or may not have got a blowjob from consensually in a college town, 58 00:04:39,195 --> 00:04:41,530 does not fucking matter. 59 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:42,990 But the thing is, is that it does. 60 00:04:43,032 --> 00:04:45,868 Because if one of those girls was saying she didn't want to give the blowjob... 61 00:04:45,951 --> 00:04:49,038 By the way, how exactly does one give a non-consensual blowjob? 62 00:04:49,872 --> 00:04:52,416 A non-consensual blowjob, it would be very choky. 63 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:53,834 It... 64 00:04:53,876 --> 00:04:58,088 It would involve somebody sort of holding someone else's head down 65 00:04:58,172 --> 00:05:01,300 and kind of, you know, maybe holding them by the hair, by the pigtails. 66 00:05:02,510 --> 00:05:05,846 You've heard that old joke, "What do you call a blowjob with handlebar?" 67 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,681 Just... 68 00:05:08,766 --> 00:05:11,560 I'm sorry, I have to get this. It's, uh... It's family stuff. 69 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,521 Yeah, of course. 70 00:05:13,604 --> 00:05:14,605 Hi, Mayaan. 71 00:05:16,232 --> 00:05:18,442 No, if Miranda wants to come over for the weekend, it's fine. 72 00:05:18,526 --> 00:05:19,610 Yeah. She feeling better? 73 00:05:22,822 --> 00:05:27,576 No, no, I don't have her gymnastics bag. Ask Graciela, 'cause sometimes it's in her car. 74 00:05:28,911 --> 00:05:33,249 Well, I'm not gonna let her sit here and eat fucking Flamin' Hot Cheetos 75 00:05:33,374 --> 00:05:36,418 and play Candy Crush or whatever. She's going to need to walk, 76 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:38,712 you know, go to a park, whatever. She's depressed. 77 00:05:40,172 --> 00:05:41,799 Yes, I mean clinically. 78 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:45,177 I'm not calling you a bad mother. 79 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:47,805 Mayaan, I'm not, I'm not. 80 00:05:50,099 --> 00:05:53,602 You know, would this be a good time to just talk about summer, uh, custody? 81 00:05:53,686 --> 00:05:56,188 Because I would love to bring her to the Cape, um, 82 00:05:56,272 --> 00:05:59,066 for three weeks, maybe after the European residency, you know. 83 00:06:00,234 --> 00:06:01,986 I also don't want to feel like you're not getting your time. 84 00:06:03,404 --> 00:06:04,738 Yeah, go grab your calendar. 85 00:06:35,019 --> 00:06:40,107 No, I asked you, Mayaan, I 100% asked you, 'cause I always goddamn ask you. 86 00:06:41,025 --> 00:06:43,903 Mayaan, I'm not going to tell you when you can see your daughter. 87 00:06:43,986 --> 00:06:45,487 I'm going to tell you when I want to see your daughter 88 00:06:45,529 --> 00:06:48,532 and then we'll take it from there, and being the mother, no doubt you'll win, 89 00:06:48,616 --> 00:06:50,284 rest assured you'll win. 90 00:06:50,701 --> 00:06:53,454 No, no, it's not a swipe at you, it's not. 91 00:06:55,748 --> 00:06:58,667 I know, I know, I'm sorry. 92 00:06:58,751 --> 00:06:59,752 I'm sorry, honey. 93 00:07:00,252 --> 00:07:05,424 Yes, of course, I'll see her at 3:00. Yep, okay, bye. 94 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:12,306 So I'm assuming that was Toni Morrison. 95 00:07:12,723 --> 00:07:14,350 That's funny. No, it's my ex. 96 00:07:15,976 --> 00:07:16,977 Very tortured woman. 97 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:21,023 But, our daughter's a good girl, 98 00:07:21,148 --> 00:07:27,029 so you know, I have to believe that this life, this mother is teaching her something. 99 00:07:27,112 --> 00:07:28,864 You know, building her up strong, 100 00:07:30,449 --> 00:07:32,952 because, uh, she's had some depression stuff this year, 101 00:07:33,035 --> 00:07:35,037 and it got kind of serious, but, um, she's good. 102 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:40,709 - Listen, I don't know you... - No, Hannah, you do not. 103 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:42,711 But your work means a lot to me. 104 00:07:43,712 --> 00:07:45,255 It has for a long time. 105 00:07:45,339 --> 00:07:47,049 It's made me laugh, and it's comforted me 106 00:07:47,174 --> 00:07:50,552 and my copy of Shannon's Rock is so dog-eared and underlined 107 00:07:50,594 --> 00:07:52,012 you can barely read the words anymore, 108 00:07:52,054 --> 00:07:53,973 so when I saw Denise's Tumblr, I was... 109 00:07:54,056 --> 00:07:56,433 Isn't that the crazy part about all of this? 110 00:07:56,558 --> 00:08:00,104 Like, about being alive right now, that so much of your life, 111 00:08:00,229 --> 00:08:04,441 your world can be destroyed by something called Tumblr, without an E. 112 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:08,237 I mean, destroyed seems like a little bit of an overstatement. 113 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,905 You got a great review in the Times four days ago. 114 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:12,908 That was a rave, you've got this apartment, you're... 115 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:14,034 Yeah, I'm fine. 116 00:08:14,076 --> 00:08:15,202 Yeah, I would say so. 117 00:08:15,244 --> 00:08:16,370 The thing is I'm not. 118 00:08:16,412 --> 00:08:19,957 Because I've been taking pills to fall asleep and guess what, they don't fucking work. 119 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,292 I've started therapy again, for the first time in 10 years. 120 00:08:22,376 --> 00:08:24,336 Thought I was done with all that shit. 121 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:27,548 Tried everything, different types of meditation, 122 00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:29,049 I've... I tried to learn Spanish, 123 00:08:29,133 --> 00:08:32,928 rowing, you know, I went on a juice cleanse, did a silent retreat. 124 00:08:33,053 --> 00:08:36,765 I am now having nightmares that my daughter's friends will Google 125 00:08:36,849 --> 00:08:41,437 and find out about whatever the fuck this thing is, and that will hurt her. 126 00:08:43,188 --> 00:08:47,443 Understand? It will hurt my daughter, so what I wonder is why am I being punished? 127 00:08:48,068 --> 00:08:49,570 I wasn't trying to punish you, 128 00:08:49,611 --> 00:08:52,072 I just think it's important to listen to the voices of women 129 00:08:52,114 --> 00:08:55,451 who have historically been pushed to the side and silenced and... 130 00:08:55,534 --> 00:08:57,494 Do you know the woman who wrote the article? 131 00:08:59,121 --> 00:09:00,622 Do you know any of the women who came forward? 132 00:09:02,332 --> 00:09:04,043 Are you some kind of activist? 133 00:09:04,168 --> 00:09:06,003 No, I don't even recycle. 134 00:09:06,128 --> 00:09:07,796 Then why would a smart woman like you 135 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,300 write a very long and considered piece of writing on what is ultimately hearsay? 136 00:09:11,383 --> 00:09:14,553 Because I don't consider the accounts of four different women hearsay. 137 00:09:14,636 --> 00:09:16,388 Really? You remember what happened at Salem. 138 00:09:16,472 --> 00:09:18,140 Yeah, these four women are the witches. 139 00:09:18,223 --> 00:09:19,308 I'm the witch. 140 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:20,976 I don't see it that way. 141 00:09:21,101 --> 00:09:22,603 These women don't have the reach that you have, 142 00:09:22,644 --> 00:09:24,813 they can't get the New York Times to hand them over the op-ed page. 143 00:09:24,897 --> 00:09:26,398 That's why the Internet is so cool, 144 00:09:26,482 --> 00:09:28,734 because it takes all the voices that have been marginalized and... 145 00:09:28,859 --> 00:09:32,029 Oh, my God! Is that why the Internet is so cool? 146 00:09:32,738 --> 00:09:34,656 Because some might argue it's a monster we've created 147 00:09:34,782 --> 00:09:36,116 that will ultimately kill us. 148 00:09:36,408 --> 00:09:39,536 Yeah, well, the people who argue that are probably a generation above me, but... 149 00:09:40,162 --> 00:09:41,371 Fuck, I need a cup of coffee. 150 00:09:52,174 --> 00:09:54,676 I'm not perfect, but I'm not saying I'm perfect. 151 00:09:54,718 --> 00:09:58,013 I'm a horny motherfucker with the impulse control of a toddler. 152 00:09:58,055 --> 00:09:59,348 Oh, that must be hard. 153 00:09:59,431 --> 00:10:02,059 Listen, I get it, there are kids dying in Africa, blah-blah-blah, okay. 154 00:10:02,142 --> 00:10:03,435 But this is fucking hard for me. 155 00:10:04,103 --> 00:10:05,437 I fucked around on my wife, 156 00:10:05,521 --> 00:10:07,439 I've told women I've loved them, didn't even call them back. 157 00:10:07,523 --> 00:10:09,942 I even went to a couple of hookers, and one of them had a dick. 158 00:10:10,025 --> 00:10:11,151 I don't have any secrets. 159 00:10:11,693 --> 00:10:12,820 None of that's illegal. 160 00:10:12,945 --> 00:10:15,781 I mean, except the prostitutes, that's technically a felony, but... 161 00:10:15,864 --> 00:10:21,537 I have never fucking forced anyone to blow me, that is not my style. 162 00:10:22,162 --> 00:10:24,998 These Tumblr girls, who come up to me, at my lectures, 163 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,042 and I am sorry, they hurl themselves at me, 164 00:10:27,209 --> 00:10:29,753 like I'm some fire and brimstone preacher 165 00:10:29,837 --> 00:10:32,548 who's going to cure their mom's bum leg with a touch of God. 166 00:10:33,590 --> 00:10:38,387 I invite them back to my hotel. We may drink teeny-tiny bottles of booze, 167 00:10:38,512 --> 00:10:41,056 if the place is nice enough to have a fucking minibar. 168 00:10:41,098 --> 00:10:44,810 A couple of them might stay, and then voilà, 169 00:10:44,893 --> 00:10:47,604 they have something to write about, because what do writers need? 170 00:10:47,729 --> 00:10:48,772 Money. 171 00:10:48,897 --> 00:10:51,233 Very funny. Stories, they need stories. 172 00:10:51,275 --> 00:10:52,401 So one of them starts talking, 173 00:10:52,484 --> 00:10:55,487 "I met Chuck Palmer. He's a sad man with a receding hairline." 174 00:10:55,571 --> 00:10:57,531 "He made sad noises while I sucked him off," 175 00:10:57,573 --> 00:11:00,075 and all of a sudden, she has something to write about. 176 00:11:00,576 --> 00:11:02,911 She has a story, she has an experience, okay, 177 00:11:02,953 --> 00:11:06,206 she has something that makes her different from every other creative writing undergrad 178 00:11:06,248 --> 00:11:07,833 that was bussed in from Virginia. 179 00:11:08,792 --> 00:11:10,419 Do you understand what I'm saying about experience, 180 00:11:10,460 --> 00:11:12,504 the way people crave it and the way people use it? 181 00:11:12,588 --> 00:11:13,964 Yeah, I think I do. But... 182 00:11:14,047 --> 00:11:15,382 Denise, the one who started all this. 183 00:11:15,424 --> 00:11:18,427 She practically ripped at my Dockers. 184 00:11:18,468 --> 00:11:21,221 Kept asking if she could come visit me in New York. 185 00:11:21,263 --> 00:11:25,893 I probably nodded, probably indicated yes. I didn't follow up. 186 00:11:26,935 --> 00:11:28,520 That made her angry. 187 00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:31,982 So you expect me to believe that every one of these girls came forward with the story 188 00:11:32,065 --> 00:11:34,401 just because they had hurt feelings? 189 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:36,111 You clearly haven't met my ex. 190 00:11:36,153 --> 00:11:37,237 I feel like I have. 191 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:40,699 That conversation was very long and pretty weird thing to do in front of a stranger. 192 00:11:41,033 --> 00:11:43,285 By the way, if you're so sure you're innocent, 193 00:11:43,577 --> 00:11:47,915 if you know that you're this like perfect specimen, then why can't you just let it go? 194 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,459 Did you just say why can't I just let it go? 195 00:11:50,709 --> 00:11:51,710 Yeah. 196 00:11:52,294 --> 00:11:55,214 That's really great advice. Are you Buddhist? 197 00:11:56,215 --> 00:11:57,925 Why do you need me to know all this? 198 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,261 Plenty of people wrote about Denise's story. 199 00:12:01,303 --> 00:12:03,305 Did you call all of them to come to your apartment? 200 00:12:03,347 --> 00:12:04,932 Which by the way, is lovely. 201 00:12:04,973 --> 00:12:07,309 I had no idea novelists could make this much money. 202 00:12:07,643 --> 00:12:09,937 No, I didn't call them. I didn't call any of them. I only called you. 203 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:12,481 Why me? 204 00:12:15,484 --> 00:12:17,152 'Cause you're smart. 205 00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:20,989 You write well, you write sharply, like you're actually paying attention. 206 00:12:21,031 --> 00:12:22,324 You even made me believe what you were saying, 207 00:12:22,366 --> 00:12:23,492 and I'm the one you're fucking lying about. 208 00:12:25,702 --> 00:12:29,289 So, are you really gonna use all this skill to write for some shitty website, 209 00:12:29,414 --> 00:12:32,668 being paid a meaningless fee to slam some guy you've never met, 210 00:12:32,709 --> 00:12:33,710 but claim to respect? 211 00:12:34,503 --> 00:12:36,922 If not me, who, and if not now, when? 212 00:12:37,089 --> 00:12:40,175 Oh, my God. This isn't the Civil Rights Movement, Hannah. 213 00:12:40,384 --> 00:12:42,469 It's me. It's just me. 214 00:12:42,636 --> 00:12:45,597 Getting head in some sterile hotel room in Rhode Island. 215 00:12:45,722 --> 00:12:48,433 So the larger significance is just lost on you? You just don't even... 216 00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:50,686 What larger significance? 217 00:12:51,478 --> 00:12:53,146 The power imbalance. 218 00:12:53,188 --> 00:12:54,189 Oh, my God. 219 00:12:54,481 --> 00:12:56,191 You know what, I haven't been offered a beverage, 220 00:12:56,233 --> 00:12:57,776 so I think I'm going to get myself one. 221 00:13:00,362 --> 00:13:02,823 The part where she looks like a Victoria's Secret model, 222 00:13:02,906 --> 00:13:06,702 and I didn't lose my virginity until I was 25 and I was on Accutane, 223 00:13:06,868 --> 00:13:08,203 that part's not lost on me. 224 00:13:09,496 --> 00:13:12,541 Uh, no, I'm talking about the part where you're a very fucking famous writer 225 00:13:12,624 --> 00:13:16,378 and she's working really hard to have just a little bit of what you get every day. 226 00:13:18,964 --> 00:13:21,675 So you invite her back to your hotel room, what's she supposed to say? No? 227 00:13:22,384 --> 00:13:23,385 She admires you. 228 00:13:24,177 --> 00:13:25,762 Then you unbuckle your pants. 229 00:13:26,847 --> 00:13:28,140 What's she going to do next? 230 00:13:28,849 --> 00:13:31,435 You got it wrong. It's not so she has a story, 231 00:13:32,394 --> 00:13:34,563 it's so she feels like she exists. 232 00:13:38,233 --> 00:13:40,277 And by the way, people don't talk about this shit for fun, 233 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,862 it ruins their lives, you know that. 234 00:13:41,945 --> 00:13:43,655 Do you hear yourself right now? 235 00:13:43,822 --> 00:13:44,865 Mmm-hmm. 236 00:13:44,906 --> 00:13:49,745 I am a grown man inviting a grown woman to my hotel room. 237 00:13:49,786 --> 00:13:52,914 Did I put a gun to her head? Did I offer her a job? 238 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:56,293 I may be stupid, but I'm not evil, sister. 239 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:59,671 An invitation isn't inherently wrong or dangerous. 240 00:13:59,755 --> 00:14:02,841 Sexuality is very muddy, that's a real gray area. 241 00:14:02,924 --> 00:14:05,344 Or at least we say it's a gray area, so we can get... 242 00:14:05,427 --> 00:14:07,471 I am so sick of gray areas. 243 00:14:13,352 --> 00:14:16,730 When I was in fifth grade, I had this English teacher, Mr. Lasky, 244 00:14:17,856 --> 00:14:20,901 he liked me, he was impressed with me. I did like special creative writing. 245 00:14:20,984 --> 00:14:23,195 I wrote like a little novel or whatever. 246 00:14:23,278 --> 00:14:25,614 Sometimes when he was talking to the class he'd stand behind me, 247 00:14:25,697 --> 00:14:27,324 and he'd just like rub my neck. 248 00:14:27,407 --> 00:14:30,077 Sometimes he'd like rub my head, rustle my hair. 249 00:14:31,119 --> 00:14:32,120 And I didn't mind. 250 00:14:32,996 --> 00:14:34,206 It made me feel special. 251 00:14:34,289 --> 00:14:37,000 It made me feel like someone saw me and they knew that I was going to grow up 252 00:14:37,084 --> 00:14:39,461 and be really, really particular. 253 00:14:39,961 --> 00:14:42,756 It also made kids hate me and put lasagna in my fucking backpack, 254 00:14:42,798 --> 00:14:44,508 but that's a different story. 255 00:14:44,591 --> 00:14:47,969 Anyway, last year, I'm at this like, whatever, warehouse party in Bushwick 256 00:14:48,053 --> 00:14:49,429 and this dude comes up to me and he's like, 257 00:14:49,471 --> 00:14:51,973 "Horvath. We went to middle school together. East Lansing," 258 00:14:52,015 --> 00:14:55,435 and I'm like, "Oh, my God, remember how crazy Mr. Lasky's class was? 259 00:14:55,477 --> 00:14:57,020 "He was basically trying to molest me." 260 00:14:57,104 --> 00:14:58,105 You know what this kid said? 261 00:14:59,314 --> 00:15:01,233 He looks at me in the middle of this fucking party, 262 00:15:01,733 --> 00:15:05,946 like he's a judge and he goes, "That's a very serious accusation, Hannah." 263 00:15:05,987 --> 00:15:06,988 And he walked away. 264 00:15:08,323 --> 00:15:10,992 And there I am, and I'm just 11 again, 265 00:15:11,076 --> 00:15:16,957 and I'm just getting my fucking neck rubbed because that stuff never goes away. 266 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:21,711 Yeah, I'm sorry that happened to you. 267 00:15:23,338 --> 00:15:26,341 I mean, it gives me a greater perspective on what triggered you, 268 00:15:26,383 --> 00:15:29,511 to use the parlance of our times, about my story. 269 00:15:29,678 --> 00:15:31,430 I didn't tell you so you'd feel sorry for me. 270 00:15:31,513 --> 00:15:34,683 No, I'm just saying, I'm sorry 'cause it's an awful story. 271 00:15:34,766 --> 00:15:37,936 Yeah, but look at me, I'm smart. And amazing. 272 00:15:40,355 --> 00:15:41,523 And now I have a story. 273 00:15:44,276 --> 00:15:45,819 Can I read something to you? 274 00:15:53,618 --> 00:15:55,537 "Jessica had the straining body of someone 275 00:15:55,620 --> 00:15:59,291 "who'd very recently worked far too hard to lose a negligible amount of weight. 276 00:15:59,374 --> 00:16:00,375 "She was thin, 277 00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:03,920 "had always been thin enough to get by with low breasts and a tan clavicle. 278 00:16:04,004 --> 00:16:06,882 "But it was as if her form wasn't yet used to its socially imbued power. 279 00:16:06,965 --> 00:16:11,178 "She moved slowly, awkwardly, as if life was a china shop and she a bull. 280 00:16:11,261 --> 00:16:13,263 "She treated my hotel room like a museum, 281 00:16:13,346 --> 00:16:15,640 "the minibar like fine sculpture from the Ming Dynasty, 282 00:16:15,724 --> 00:16:18,393 "delicately pouring herself some vodka over ice. 283 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,520 "I asked her where she was from and she said 'around, ' 284 00:16:20,562 --> 00:16:23,023 "as if someone had told her that's what made women irresistible. 285 00:16:23,064 --> 00:16:25,609 "Being from nowhere, and standing for nothing." 286 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:27,611 Why don't you read? 287 00:16:28,612 --> 00:16:31,531 - I'm okay listening. I mean... - No. Uh, read it aloud to me. 288 00:16:36,119 --> 00:16:37,746 "I tried to ask her questions, 289 00:16:38,747 --> 00:16:41,958 "about what she was reading, watching, thinking, 290 00:16:42,042 --> 00:16:44,794 "about her home town and her poetry workshop. 291 00:16:44,878 --> 00:16:46,296 "About her mother and her roommate 292 00:16:46,379 --> 00:16:50,008 "and the silvery scar sneaking quietly across her forearm, 293 00:16:50,091 --> 00:16:54,304 "but she was silent, reticent, almost angry when I pushed too hard. 294 00:16:54,387 --> 00:16:57,098 "'Sit on the bed, ' she told me when she finally spoke. 295 00:16:57,182 --> 00:16:59,809 "'Sit on the bed, and stop asking me anything.' 296 00:16:59,893 --> 00:17:03,688 "And so I did as I was told, and she reached for my old belt, 297 00:17:03,772 --> 00:17:06,107 "frayed from being the only one in rotation, 298 00:17:06,191 --> 00:17:08,985 "and as she unbuckled it, I thought sadly of my sister, 299 00:17:09,069 --> 00:17:13,323 "my daughter, even my mother, and the times they had resisted being known, 300 00:17:13,406 --> 00:17:15,909 "guessing instead that the man they were standing across from 301 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:18,787 "wanted something or someone else entirely." 302 00:17:19,996 --> 00:17:21,831 Is this fiction? 303 00:17:21,915 --> 00:17:23,083 Is anything fiction? 304 00:17:23,291 --> 00:17:25,961 No, I don't mean it like a Cheshire cat kind of riddle. 305 00:17:26,002 --> 00:17:30,131 I mean, like, did you change the names and identifying details. Like, is this fiction? 306 00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:31,216 I did change the names. 307 00:17:31,299 --> 00:17:36,137 But this is what I wrote about Denise before she published her fucking Tumblr article. 308 00:17:36,263 --> 00:17:39,849 Before a website called The Awl called me "throat piercer." 309 00:17:40,517 --> 00:17:42,811 This is what I wrote about Denise before she told the world 310 00:17:42,894 --> 00:17:45,814 that I was a menace and a sleaze and a fraud. 311 00:17:45,897 --> 00:17:48,316 She doesn't think you're a fraud, she clearly respects you a lot. 312 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,151 Okay, this is what I saw and this is what I wrote. 313 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,947 I saw a woman who was lovely, lonely and scared. 314 00:17:53,989 --> 00:17:56,491 I saw a woman who didn't want to let anyone in. 315 00:17:56,575 --> 00:17:59,286 And I see now, in myself, 316 00:17:59,327 --> 00:18:01,997 every fucking guy who didn't care enough to push a little further. 317 00:18:02,038 --> 00:18:05,000 Hannah, that is what I am guilty of. 318 00:18:05,041 --> 00:18:09,337 Not pushing hard enough to get to know Denise, to get to the heart of her story. 319 00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:12,257 Do you get that? 320 00:18:13,174 --> 00:18:14,175 Yeah. 321 00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:19,556 Do you want to know why I think I really wanted to meet you? 322 00:18:21,057 --> 00:18:23,226 - Yeah, I do want to know. - To fix that. 323 00:18:23,810 --> 00:18:26,521 I mean, it's spoiled with Denise, I know it is, 324 00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:29,983 but I can ask you where you're from, what you want, who you are. 325 00:18:30,025 --> 00:18:33,069 I can... I can show you're more to me than just a pretty face. 326 00:18:37,157 --> 00:18:38,158 So? 327 00:18:40,535 --> 00:18:42,037 Where are you from? 328 00:18:44,539 --> 00:18:45,540 I'm from Michigan. 329 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:46,666 Really, which part? 330 00:18:46,708 --> 00:18:49,294 I love Traverse City, chocolate-covered cherry capital of the world. 331 00:18:49,377 --> 00:18:52,088 I ate so much on my book tour once, I had to stick my fingers down my throat. 332 00:18:52,172 --> 00:18:53,173 Yeah. Really? 333 00:18:53,214 --> 00:18:56,301 Yeah, no. I'm not opposed to a little casual bulimia from time to time. 334 00:18:56,384 --> 00:18:57,636 Who isn't? 335 00:18:57,719 --> 00:18:58,762 Well, it takes a toll on the enamel. 336 00:19:00,221 --> 00:19:02,891 Um, no, I'm from East Lansing. It's not really that close. 337 00:19:02,974 --> 00:19:04,059 Right. 338 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:06,728 And what are your dreams for the next five years? 339 00:19:07,228 --> 00:19:09,356 Sorry to sound like a People magazine interview. 340 00:19:11,191 --> 00:19:14,527 No, it's okay, it's a good question. I want to write. 341 00:19:16,488 --> 00:19:20,241 I want to write stories that make people feel less alone than I did. 342 00:19:20,283 --> 00:19:23,411 I want to make people laugh about the things in life that are painful. 343 00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:24,621 That's what I want to do. 344 00:19:27,207 --> 00:19:28,208 Good goal. 345 00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:29,959 That's a really good goal. 346 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:31,086 So maybe one day you'll be famous. 347 00:19:31,419 --> 00:19:32,462 Maybe. 348 00:19:32,545 --> 00:19:34,172 And a lot of people know some stuff about you. 349 00:19:36,091 --> 00:19:39,511 Some stuff, I mean, they'll think they'll know everything, but they won't. 350 00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:40,762 Like what happened to you? 351 00:19:40,929 --> 00:19:42,097 Like what happened to me. 352 00:19:42,138 --> 00:19:44,891 You thought you knew everything, but you didn't. 353 00:19:47,102 --> 00:19:48,144 No, I didn't. 354 00:19:48,228 --> 00:19:50,563 You listened to one source and then you flapped your lips. 355 00:19:50,605 --> 00:19:52,941 Your funny lips, but all the same, 356 00:19:53,024 --> 00:19:56,027 you made me the face of this epidemic 357 00:19:56,111 --> 00:19:59,447 about literary men attacking industrious, innocent young women. 358 00:19:59,489 --> 00:20:01,408 That's what two-bit journalists do. 359 00:20:02,283 --> 00:20:04,202 And you're not a journalist, Hannah. 360 00:20:06,037 --> 00:20:07,288 You're a fucking writer. 361 00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:19,968 I can't believe you have a signed copy of When She Was Good. 362 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:22,804 God, everyone acts like this book is Philip Roth being the worst, 363 00:20:22,971 --> 00:20:24,472 but it's actually him being the best. 364 00:20:24,639 --> 00:20:27,100 And I know I'm not supposed to like him because he's like a misogynist, 365 00:20:27,142 --> 00:20:28,643 and he demeans women, but I can't help it. 366 00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:29,853 I fucking love his writing. 367 00:20:29,936 --> 00:20:32,981 You can't let politics dictate what you read or who you fuck. 368 00:20:33,064 --> 00:20:35,400 Those are my rules. Write that down. 369 00:20:35,608 --> 00:20:37,485 I'll do you one better, I'll tattoo it on my body. 370 00:20:37,569 --> 00:20:39,320 Better. 371 00:20:40,196 --> 00:20:43,575 I heard an alternate title for this book was American Bitch. 372 00:20:43,658 --> 00:20:47,120 I have no idea if that's true, can't find any proof on the Internet, 373 00:20:47,162 --> 00:20:49,664 but God, if it is, fuck, that's so good. 374 00:20:51,249 --> 00:20:52,250 Why don't you keep the Roth? 375 00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:55,170 - Seriously? - Yeah, seriously. 376 00:20:55,211 --> 00:20:56,379 I like how happy it makes you. 377 00:20:57,297 --> 00:20:58,840 But it's signed to you and everything. 378 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,511 God, I hope someone writes a book about what a cunt I am someday. 379 00:21:03,803 --> 00:21:05,930 - Do you? - Yeah, obviously. 380 00:21:06,264 --> 00:21:10,059 What would be better than to like ruin someone's life with your wanton sex appeal 381 00:21:10,143 --> 00:21:12,437 and, like, icicle-sharp intellect. 382 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,606 But, I'm half-Jewish, so I don't really see that happening for me. 383 00:21:16,316 --> 00:21:17,317 You really are funny. 384 00:21:19,527 --> 00:21:20,528 - Hannah? - Yeah. 385 00:21:21,613 --> 00:21:23,239 Would you lie down with me for a moment? 386 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:26,951 Just a moment. 387 00:21:27,535 --> 00:21:29,162 And I'd encourage you to keep your clothes on 388 00:21:29,204 --> 00:21:32,707 to delineate any boundaries that feel right to you. 389 00:21:32,791 --> 00:21:36,377 But I just want to feel close to someone in a way that I haven't in a long time. 390 00:21:36,461 --> 00:21:37,462 If you please. 391 00:21:58,233 --> 00:21:59,526 Your bed smells like snacks. 392 00:22:00,777 --> 00:22:02,111 I live alone, lady. 393 00:22:03,905 --> 00:22:07,200 I'm sorry I wrote something about you that, um, upset you so much, 394 00:22:07,242 --> 00:22:08,409 without considering all the facts. 395 00:22:10,411 --> 00:22:12,705 It's all right. I'm not angry. 396 00:22:42,068 --> 00:22:43,361 Mmm. 397 00:22:46,781 --> 00:22:49,701 Oh, my fucking God. Oh, my fucking God. 398 00:22:49,784 --> 00:22:51,035 I touched your dick! 399 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,663 You pulled your dick out and I touched your dick. 400 00:22:53,746 --> 00:22:56,916 What the fuck, and now it's still out. You didn't even put it away. 401 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,378 I can see your dick. It's right there. 402 00:23:00,461 --> 00:23:01,963 Hey, Dad! 403 00:23:02,255 --> 00:23:05,633 Hi, love. Hi, honey. 404 00:23:08,303 --> 00:23:09,762 Oh, my fucking God. 405 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:14,267 I'm just confused. I thought I was going to Mom's. 406 00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:15,977 Mom thought you might have more fun here tonight. 407 00:23:16,019 --> 00:23:18,646 But I don't have my flash cards or my book. I... 408 00:23:21,566 --> 00:23:22,567 Hi. 409 00:23:23,192 --> 00:23:24,485 - Hi. - This is my friend Hannah. 410 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:26,571 Hi. 411 00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:28,364 Why don't you go play with your beads and things? 412 00:23:28,448 --> 00:23:29,532 I got you some new markers. 413 00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:31,492 But I want to show you what I've been working on in flute. 414 00:23:31,534 --> 00:23:33,411 It's really good. Do you want to hear? 415 00:23:35,538 --> 00:23:36,539 Me? 416 00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:40,418 Okay. 417 00:23:40,501 --> 00:23:43,171 Excellent. Cool. Okay. 418 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,681 Sorry. 419 00:23:53,806 --> 00:23:55,016 Honey, take your time. 35693

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