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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:24,827 --> 00:01:27,597 Grateful Dead: ♪ Y'know death don't 2 00:01:30,767 --> 00:01:33,336 ♪ Have no mercy 3 00:01:35,272 --> 00:01:37,440 ♪ In this land 4 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:52,655 ♪ Death don't, wow 5 00:01:52,689 --> 00:01:55,825 ♪ Have no mercy 6 00:01:59,296 --> 00:02:01,231 ♪ In this land 7 00:02:05,302 --> 00:02:10,273 ♪ in this land 8 00:02:13,876 --> 00:02:16,246 ♪ Come to your house 9 00:02:16,279 --> 00:02:19,849 ♪ You know he don't 10 00:02:19,882 --> 00:02:23,586 ♪ Take long 11 00:02:23,620 --> 00:02:25,222 ♪ Whaah 12 00:02:25,255 --> 00:02:27,490 ♪ You look in bed this morning ♪ 13 00:02:27,524 --> 00:02:29,826 ♪ Children find that your 14 00:02:31,761 --> 00:02:33,530 ♪ Family's gone 15 00:02:33,563 --> 00:02:36,433 ♪ I said death don't 16 00:02:36,466 --> 00:02:39,436 ♪ Ohh 17 00:02:39,469 --> 00:02:42,239 ♪ Have no mercy 18 00:02:42,272 --> 00:02:44,341 ♪ No mercy 19 00:02:44,374 --> 00:02:46,909 ♪ In this land 20 00:02:54,016 --> 00:02:56,953 I love dead. 21 00:02:56,986 --> 00:02:59,422 Hate living. 22 00:03:03,493 --> 00:03:04,770 Jerry Garcia: I used to draw pictures 23 00:03:04,794 --> 00:03:06,329 of the Frankenstein monster, 24 00:03:06,363 --> 00:03:07,697 over and over, you know, 25 00:03:07,730 --> 00:03:09,366 endlessly in different positions. 26 00:03:11,834 --> 00:03:13,436 I think part of it had to do 27 00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:16,406 with the thing of being afraid the first time I saw it, 28 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:18,641 the thing of having it have that power of fear over me. 29 00:03:18,675 --> 00:03:21,978 He's one of the strangest tales ever told. 30 00:03:22,011 --> 00:03:25,482 He deals with the two great mysteries of creation: 31 00:03:25,515 --> 00:03:27,784 life and death. 32 00:03:27,817 --> 00:03:30,887 My mother, I think, must have taken me to see it... 33 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,391 Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein... 34 00:03:34,424 --> 00:03:37,360 In 1948 I guess that was. 35 00:03:37,394 --> 00:03:38,728 I was 6 years old. 36 00:03:38,761 --> 00:03:41,698 My father had died the previous year, in '47, 37 00:03:41,731 --> 00:03:44,267 so that also made it kind of a heavy time 38 00:03:44,301 --> 00:03:45,568 in my life emotionally, 39 00:03:45,602 --> 00:03:46,903 and it was another big reason 40 00:03:46,936 --> 00:03:48,338 for my clamping on to it, kind of... 41 00:03:49,939 --> 00:03:51,774 That power of fear. 42 00:03:51,808 --> 00:03:55,345 I think there was some desire on my part to embrace that, 43 00:03:55,378 --> 00:03:58,415 to not let that control me that way. 44 00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:03,453 That whole business evoked something, 45 00:04:03,486 --> 00:04:05,888 something very strong. 46 00:04:05,922 --> 00:04:09,892 And it hit me in that... In that archetypal center. 47 00:04:09,926 --> 00:04:12,495 You know, vaboom, you know. Dong, you know. 48 00:04:13,930 --> 00:04:15,932 That was my first sense of 49 00:04:15,965 --> 00:04:18,335 there are things in this world that are really weird. 50 00:04:18,368 --> 00:04:20,537 I don't think I knew that before I saw that movie, 51 00:04:20,570 --> 00:04:22,605 that there are things that are really weird, 52 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:24,741 and there are people who are concerned with them. 53 00:04:24,774 --> 00:04:26,376 That became important to me, 54 00:04:26,409 --> 00:04:28,445 and I guess I thought to myself on some level, 55 00:04:28,478 --> 00:04:30,947 I think I want to be concerned with things that are weird. 56 00:04:30,980 --> 00:04:32,982 I think that seems like fun. 57 00:05:04,381 --> 00:05:06,883 ♪ Saint Stephen with a rose 58 00:05:06,916 --> 00:05:09,852 ♪ In and out of the garden he goes ♪ 59 00:05:09,886 --> 00:05:12,689 ♪ Country garden in the wind and the rain ♪ 60 00:05:12,722 --> 00:05:15,792 ♪ Wherever he goes, the people all complain ♪ 61 00:05:18,127 --> 00:05:19,862 Man: It's a real challenge, 62 00:05:19,896 --> 00:05:21,764 if you're not already a Deadhead, 63 00:05:21,798 --> 00:05:23,966 to love the Grateful Dead 64 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,769 because there's so much distraction. 65 00:05:26,803 --> 00:05:28,838 ♪ Stephen prospered in his time ♪ 66 00:05:28,871 --> 00:05:31,408 But if you ignore the rabid fans 67 00:05:31,441 --> 00:05:33,743 and ignore the entire lack 68 00:05:33,776 --> 00:05:38,114 of all the expected elements of American entertainment, 69 00:05:38,147 --> 00:05:41,083 then you will find... 70 00:05:41,117 --> 00:05:44,120 there's a richness that fills your soul. 71 00:05:46,489 --> 00:05:49,592 The Grateful Dead explored freedom. 72 00:05:50,927 --> 00:05:53,896 And they were the cutting edge 73 00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:57,800 of a phenomenal re-examination 74 00:05:57,834 --> 00:05:59,636 of American values. 75 00:05:59,669 --> 00:06:00,903 For me, the Grateful Dead 76 00:06:00,937 --> 00:06:03,005 is the most American of all bands 77 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:06,909 because each musician that started that band 78 00:06:06,943 --> 00:06:10,580 came from a completely different place musically, 79 00:06:10,613 --> 00:06:13,483 and they somehow managed to make it work. 80 00:06:15,017 --> 00:06:17,687 You got a bluegrass banjo player, 81 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,958 you got a blues harmonica player, 82 00:06:21,991 --> 00:06:23,860 you got a folky guitarist... 83 00:06:25,762 --> 00:06:28,030 R&B drummer... 84 00:06:28,064 --> 00:06:32,068 you got a avant-garde classical composer 85 00:06:32,101 --> 00:06:33,670 picking up the bass... 86 00:06:35,071 --> 00:06:38,107 and not long after that, a marching band drummer. 87 00:06:39,175 --> 00:06:40,777 And, oh, by the way, 88 00:06:40,810 --> 00:06:42,111 a genius lyricist 89 00:06:42,144 --> 00:06:45,014 who created, in his lyrics, 90 00:06:45,047 --> 00:06:49,919 a non-literal hyper-Americana. 91 00:06:49,952 --> 00:06:52,589 And you take all these streams... 92 00:06:53,890 --> 00:06:56,092 and you dissolve egos with acid... 93 00:06:58,227 --> 00:06:59,929 and you stir vigorously. 94 00:07:05,568 --> 00:07:07,236 That's Grateful Dead music. 95 00:07:07,269 --> 00:07:09,572 A 1, 2, 3, 4. 96 00:07:10,773 --> 00:07:12,909 I spent most of my adult life 97 00:07:12,942 --> 00:07:16,713 as the biographer to the Grateful Dead. 98 00:07:16,746 --> 00:07:19,549 How this happened was, 99 00:07:19,582 --> 00:07:22,952 in 1971, the Grateful Dead put out an album. 100 00:07:22,985 --> 00:07:24,854 On the back of it, it said... 101 00:07:29,592 --> 00:07:33,229 They set up a post office box in San Rafael. 102 00:07:33,262 --> 00:07:35,865 Then I had just written this book about Kerouac. 103 00:07:35,898 --> 00:07:38,935 So I sent a copy of the book to Jerry, 104 00:07:38,968 --> 00:07:41,638 and it changed my life. 105 00:07:43,272 --> 00:07:45,975 Kerouac was Jerry's great hero. 106 00:07:47,243 --> 00:07:48,945 Reading On The Road 107 00:07:48,978 --> 00:07:52,248 was absolutely an essential part of his growing up. 108 00:07:52,281 --> 00:07:54,250 Garcia: He really means something to me. 109 00:07:54,283 --> 00:07:57,086 That's... That thing of the typewriter rolls, you know? 110 00:07:57,119 --> 00:08:00,757 I mean, that... that's so much like my way of thinking, 111 00:08:00,790 --> 00:08:02,234 - you know what I mean? - McNally: Yeah. Yeah. 112 00:08:02,258 --> 00:08:03,926 Just, like, put it out there, man. 113 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,795 Like a record, you know? 114 00:08:05,828 --> 00:08:07,272 That's what you want a record to be, you know? 115 00:08:07,296 --> 00:08:10,266 No starts or stops, none of that shit. 116 00:08:10,299 --> 00:08:12,268 That seamless stuff, you know, 117 00:08:12,301 --> 00:08:15,104 that just, it works. For me, that stuff works. 118 00:08:15,137 --> 00:08:18,207 Other people it doesn't work for, but for me it works. 119 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,944 Woman: I had never encountered a mind like that. 120 00:08:26,315 --> 00:08:29,151 And that's really what was compelling to me... 121 00:08:29,185 --> 00:08:32,555 Was the way his mind worked, you know? 122 00:08:34,924 --> 00:08:37,760 That's why I went for it then, 123 00:08:37,794 --> 00:08:40,329 and then, 30 later, again, 124 00:08:40,362 --> 00:08:42,832 and probably why I'm sitting here now. 125 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:48,638 I read On The Road at age 14 126 00:08:48,671 --> 00:08:51,140 before I started high school. 127 00:08:51,173 --> 00:08:53,676 The beatnik world, 128 00:08:53,710 --> 00:08:56,779 it was so much a part of who I was 129 00:08:56,813 --> 00:08:58,715 and everywhere I went. 130 00:08:59,849 --> 00:09:01,784 Man: Well, there was a bookstore. 131 00:09:01,818 --> 00:09:03,753 Brigid Meier: It was in Menlo Park. 132 00:09:03,786 --> 00:09:05,755 At a coffee bar called Kepler's. 133 00:09:05,788 --> 00:09:07,924 And in that bookstore 134 00:09:07,957 --> 00:09:10,960 one was liable to run across all kinds of other people 135 00:09:10,993 --> 00:09:13,329 who were 18, 19 years old 136 00:09:13,362 --> 00:09:15,632 hanging out reading On The Road 137 00:09:15,665 --> 00:09:16,933 or The Dharma Bums. 138 00:09:16,966 --> 00:09:18,744 - Meier: Allen Ginsberg. - Trist: Ferlinghetti. 139 00:09:18,768 --> 00:09:20,169 - Kenneth Patchen. - Howl. 140 00:09:20,202 --> 00:09:22,204 - All the poetry. - Eastern mysticism. 141 00:09:22,238 --> 00:09:24,106 - Buddhism. - Left-wing politics. 142 00:09:24,140 --> 00:09:26,208 All of that. It was all going down. 143 00:09:26,242 --> 00:09:27,710 I would call them 144 00:09:27,744 --> 00:09:31,247 post-beatnik proto-hippie kinds of people 145 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,083 looking for something meaningful in life. 146 00:09:34,116 --> 00:09:37,119 We were the weirdos, the freaks. 147 00:09:37,153 --> 00:09:39,288 That was my tribe. 148 00:09:39,321 --> 00:09:41,223 And there, at Kepler's, 149 00:09:41,257 --> 00:09:44,226 the first person I think I saw was Garcia. 150 00:09:44,260 --> 00:09:46,629 There's this beatnik guy with a guitar. 151 00:09:46,663 --> 00:09:48,264 He was a folk singer at that point. 152 00:09:48,297 --> 00:09:51,333 I think he was only 18. 153 00:09:51,367 --> 00:09:55,304 And Robert Hunter, who was also part of that group. 154 00:09:55,337 --> 00:09:58,140 While they did not write songs together 155 00:09:58,174 --> 00:10:00,076 until some years later, 156 00:10:00,109 --> 00:10:01,944 I had this sense that there was 157 00:10:01,978 --> 00:10:06,115 a true partnership forming there. 158 00:10:07,216 --> 00:10:10,019 Is it cued up? I don't... 159 00:10:10,052 --> 00:10:12,421 We met sometime in March. 160 00:10:12,454 --> 00:10:14,791 So that's 1961, 161 00:10:14,824 --> 00:10:17,393 and then my birthday's the end of May. 162 00:10:17,426 --> 00:10:18,828 It's Jerry and Bob, boys. 163 00:10:18,861 --> 00:10:21,263 Jerry and Bob sang, played. 164 00:10:21,297 --> 00:10:22,899 Hey, I have an announcement. 165 00:10:22,932 --> 00:10:24,209 Barbara's father would like to know 166 00:10:24,233 --> 00:10:25,377 if anyone wants any more food. 167 00:10:25,401 --> 00:10:27,336 Woman: Oh, God. 168 00:10:27,369 --> 00:10:30,072 - ♪ I was born about 10,000 years ago ♪ - Years ago. 169 00:10:30,106 --> 00:10:31,874 ♪ There ain't nothing in this world ♪ 170 00:10:31,908 --> 00:10:33,318 - ♪ That I don't know. - I don't know. 171 00:10:33,342 --> 00:10:34,877 ♪ I saw Peter, Paul, and Moses ♪ 172 00:10:34,911 --> 00:10:36,846 ♪ Playing ring around the roses ♪ 173 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:38,815 ♪ And I'll whoop the guy that says it isn't so ♪ 174 00:10:38,848 --> 00:10:40,750 T'ain't so, Mister. Now you listen to this. 175 00:10:40,783 --> 00:10:44,320 We were all finding inspiration with each other 176 00:10:44,353 --> 00:10:47,323 in discovering that we had something 177 00:10:47,356 --> 00:10:50,292 of a family of a group. 178 00:10:50,326 --> 00:10:52,028 ♪ And that's about the niftiest thing ♪ 179 00:10:52,061 --> 00:10:53,429 ♪ That man has ever done 180 00:10:53,462 --> 00:10:55,932 Hunter had an interesting distinction 181 00:10:55,965 --> 00:10:57,967 amongst all his crew 182 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,739 in that he had a car, a very ancient car. 183 00:11:02,772 --> 00:11:04,240 Meier: The four of us... 184 00:11:04,273 --> 00:11:06,976 Bob and Alan and Jerry and I... 185 00:11:07,009 --> 00:11:09,245 Became like a team. 186 00:11:09,278 --> 00:11:12,081 They'd pick me up after school. 187 00:11:12,114 --> 00:11:14,383 We would go on road trips. 188 00:11:14,416 --> 00:11:16,485 And there was this feeling. 189 00:11:16,518 --> 00:11:21,423 We were feeling something that came from the beatniks. 190 00:11:21,457 --> 00:11:27,329 You know, this wonderful, wonderful sense of connection. 191 00:11:27,363 --> 00:11:32,434 And I can remember Hunter reciting Dylan Thomas: 192 00:11:32,468 --> 00:11:36,739 "And death shall have no dominion..." 193 00:11:36,773 --> 00:11:39,041 Remember we were all a generation 194 00:11:39,075 --> 00:11:42,779 that had come to age under the threat of the bomb. 195 00:11:42,812 --> 00:11:44,246 Not very conducive 196 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,183 to seeing a meaningful life going forward. 197 00:11:48,517 --> 00:11:50,286 Garcia: It was about possibilities, 198 00:11:50,319 --> 00:11:52,388 and they were in the air. They were just in the air. 199 00:11:52,421 --> 00:11:54,056 And everybody was also waiting 200 00:11:54,090 --> 00:11:56,959 with this sense of something is about to happen. 201 00:11:56,993 --> 00:11:58,995 It was just like everybody knew it, you know. 202 00:11:59,028 --> 00:12:01,497 Everybody was waiting for this thing to happen. 203 00:12:01,530 --> 00:12:03,232 Something was gonna happen. 204 00:12:03,265 --> 00:12:05,305 And everybody did what they could to make it happen. 205 00:12:05,334 --> 00:12:06,936 - Smoke. - You know, people would try... 206 00:12:06,969 --> 00:12:08,337 You try. 207 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:10,139 ...weird shit, you know what I mean? 208 00:12:10,172 --> 00:12:11,340 Smoke. 209 00:12:11,373 --> 00:12:12,909 Everybody got turned on to pot 210 00:12:12,942 --> 00:12:14,443 during this period and loved it. 211 00:12:14,476 --> 00:12:17,013 Mm. Good. Good. 212 00:12:17,046 --> 00:12:18,447 You know, it seemed like people 213 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,417 were losing faith in this reality. 214 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:24,420 Like, this can't be all there is. 215 00:12:24,453 --> 00:12:26,322 There's just not enough to it. 216 00:12:26,355 --> 00:12:27,423 There's not enough to it. 217 00:12:27,456 --> 00:12:28,991 It's not that interesting, 218 00:12:29,025 --> 00:12:31,227 and it doesn't require enough of me. 219 00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:33,029 It is not a challenge. 220 00:12:33,062 --> 00:12:35,932 It isn't... It isn't enough fun, you know? 221 00:12:35,965 --> 00:12:40,202 Oh, yeah. Jerry's all about having fun. 222 00:12:41,871 --> 00:12:45,274 We saw the Godard film Breathless, 223 00:12:45,307 --> 00:12:47,143 and I said, "I want my hair like that." 224 00:12:47,176 --> 00:12:48,344 Jean Seberg. 225 00:12:50,312 --> 00:12:55,852 Although I had been modeling Macy's ads in the paper 226 00:12:55,885 --> 00:12:59,455 and making a hundred dollars a day... 227 00:13:00,957 --> 00:13:02,859 Jerry said, "Let's go for it." 228 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:06,996 And so he helped me cut my hair really short 229 00:13:07,029 --> 00:13:08,865 with nail scissors. 230 00:13:08,898 --> 00:13:10,566 That was the end of my modeling career. 231 00:13:12,334 --> 00:13:16,605 That picture, of course, is in the Tunnel of Love. 232 00:13:16,638 --> 00:13:19,241 I really loved him. 233 00:13:20,576 --> 00:13:22,945 I had already started art school. 234 00:13:24,947 --> 00:13:29,318 And I had this whole beatnik vision 235 00:13:29,351 --> 00:13:33,022 of art and love 236 00:13:33,055 --> 00:13:37,093 and literature, music. 237 00:13:37,126 --> 00:13:39,461 Garcia: Being with Barbara was like a dream, really. 238 00:13:39,495 --> 00:13:41,297 She brought such joy with her, 239 00:13:41,330 --> 00:13:45,234 and she gave me her acoustic guitar when she was 15. 240 00:13:45,267 --> 00:13:48,104 That was the my first acoustic guitar that I owned myself. 241 00:13:48,137 --> 00:13:49,638 You know, she bought it for me. 242 00:13:49,671 --> 00:13:51,540 What a wonderful thing to do, you know? 243 00:13:51,573 --> 00:13:53,151 I mean, she's the one that got me on the road, 244 00:13:53,175 --> 00:13:54,610 really, you know? 245 00:13:54,643 --> 00:13:58,080 And she was the first person to have any faith in me. 246 00:13:58,114 --> 00:14:00,917 ♪ I wanna be with you 247 00:14:00,950 --> 00:14:03,986 We were gonna be together, you know? 248 00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:06,088 ♪ Under the sun 249 00:14:06,122 --> 00:14:07,423 ♪ The sun that shines 250 00:14:07,456 --> 00:14:10,059 And it was all gonna be great. 251 00:14:17,499 --> 00:14:18,935 Good. 252 00:14:18,968 --> 00:14:20,202 Garcia: I didn't really start 253 00:14:20,236 --> 00:14:22,471 to get serious about music until... 254 00:14:22,504 --> 00:14:24,473 - Music? - Uh-huh. 255 00:14:24,506 --> 00:14:27,576 ...until I heard my first bluegrass music. 256 00:14:30,612 --> 00:14:32,148 Garcia: My father was a musician. 257 00:14:32,181 --> 00:14:34,083 My mother was an amateur musician. 258 00:14:34,116 --> 00:14:35,527 My father was a professional musician. 259 00:14:35,551 --> 00:14:38,287 So I grew up in a musical household, 260 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,022 but the first time I decided 261 00:14:40,056 --> 00:14:41,657 that it was something I wanted to do 262 00:14:41,690 --> 00:14:43,960 was when I heard five-string banjo... 263 00:14:43,993 --> 00:14:46,195 Earl Scruggs played five-string banjo. 264 00:14:55,337 --> 00:14:58,474 I fell in love with the sound, and I... 265 00:14:58,507 --> 00:15:01,143 I thought that's something I have to be able to do. 266 00:15:05,381 --> 00:15:08,150 Bluegrass is a conversational music. 267 00:15:08,184 --> 00:15:10,319 The instruments kind of talk to each other. 268 00:15:11,988 --> 00:15:14,656 That was a model for how a band could work. 269 00:15:16,458 --> 00:15:21,363 It's a way to organize music. 270 00:15:21,397 --> 00:15:24,300 Meier: Once he got into the banjo, 271 00:15:24,333 --> 00:15:28,971 Jerry completely fell down the rabbit hole. 272 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,411 He felt that he had connected with something really pure 273 00:15:35,444 --> 00:15:37,313 and really authentic. 274 00:15:38,747 --> 00:15:43,019 And would practice all the time. 275 00:15:45,554 --> 00:15:49,191 And I found bluegrass music 276 00:15:49,225 --> 00:15:53,395 to be really tiresome. 277 00:16:00,502 --> 00:16:06,208 I'm so sorry to say this, but I got bored. 278 00:16:12,814 --> 00:16:14,350 Garcia: The Grateful Dead 279 00:16:14,383 --> 00:16:16,252 is really a collection of friends. 280 00:16:16,285 --> 00:16:17,686 Man: I think I'd have to say 281 00:16:17,719 --> 00:16:19,121 that the Grateful Dead, 282 00:16:19,155 --> 00:16:20,489 what we know as the Grateful Dead, 283 00:16:20,522 --> 00:16:22,791 started when Jerry met Pigpen. 284 00:16:22,824 --> 00:16:24,802 Garcia: Well, when the Grateful Dead first started, 285 00:16:24,826 --> 00:16:28,030 we had one strong suit. We had Pigpen in the band. 286 00:16:28,064 --> 00:16:30,799 And he was this guy from Palo Alto 287 00:16:30,832 --> 00:16:33,435 whose father had been a rhythm and blues disk jockey. 288 00:16:33,469 --> 00:16:36,072 For him, the blues was very natural, 289 00:16:36,105 --> 00:16:39,508 and he played harmonica, and he sang really well. 290 00:16:39,541 --> 00:16:42,111 ♪ Well, I see that woman goin' behind the hill ♪ 291 00:16:42,144 --> 00:16:44,346 ♪ I'm gonna find that girl, I'm gonna do my will ♪ 292 00:16:44,380 --> 00:16:45,681 ♪ Ain't it crazy 293 00:16:45,714 --> 00:16:47,783 He really had no real wish to be a performer. 294 00:16:47,816 --> 00:16:49,385 We sort of forced him into it 295 00:16:49,418 --> 00:16:51,587 because we knew he could do it. 296 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:53,522 So he was kind of the front man for the band. 297 00:16:53,555 --> 00:16:56,125 He was our powerhouse guy. 298 00:16:56,158 --> 00:16:58,460 Man: And then Bob started taking lessons from Jerry. 299 00:16:58,494 --> 00:17:00,429 Bob Weir: You know, I got started with this band 300 00:17:00,462 --> 00:17:02,164 when I was 16. 301 00:17:02,198 --> 00:17:05,701 Bob and Pig and Jerry and Bob Hunter 302 00:17:05,734 --> 00:17:07,069 formed a band called... 303 00:17:09,671 --> 00:17:11,373 Weir: You know, we were a jug band. 304 00:17:11,407 --> 00:17:13,275 We were an acoustic band. 305 00:17:13,309 --> 00:17:18,380 There was a lot of focus on precision and technique, 306 00:17:18,414 --> 00:17:21,150 on getting it right. 307 00:17:21,183 --> 00:17:22,684 If you were playin' bluegrass, 308 00:17:22,718 --> 00:17:25,787 you were playin' a... It's a fairly rigid idiom. 309 00:17:27,356 --> 00:17:30,092 Everybody was practicing furiously, 310 00:17:30,126 --> 00:17:33,129 and Jerry practiced more than anybody, I think. 311 00:17:34,796 --> 00:17:37,499 There were times when, every now and again 312 00:17:37,533 --> 00:17:40,336 he'd intimate that I ought to practice more. 313 00:17:42,171 --> 00:17:43,872 And generally speaking, 314 00:17:43,905 --> 00:17:46,342 I'd pick up my guitar and go sit in the corner 315 00:17:46,375 --> 00:17:49,678 and, uh, and practice a little bit 316 00:17:49,711 --> 00:17:51,247 until, you know, 317 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,315 until I got frustrated and put it down 318 00:17:53,349 --> 00:17:54,716 because, you know, it's frustrating 319 00:17:54,750 --> 00:17:57,386 playing an instrument when the guy over here 320 00:17:57,419 --> 00:18:00,122 can just play anything that you can play 321 00:18:00,156 --> 00:18:02,324 and then play rings around that. 322 00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:09,865 Garcia: Because of being too concerned with technique 323 00:18:09,898 --> 00:18:12,201 and too concerned with... And frozen, you know, 324 00:18:12,234 --> 00:18:16,305 and all the sudden I found myself being a person 325 00:18:16,338 --> 00:18:19,208 that I didn't want to be and that I didn't like. 326 00:18:20,876 --> 00:18:22,678 I felt the music that I was making 327 00:18:22,711 --> 00:18:26,182 getting sterile and inhuman, see? 328 00:18:26,215 --> 00:18:29,451 And I... I went as far as to murder that person. 329 00:18:29,485 --> 00:18:31,187 You know what I mean? 330 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:32,488 To stop playing the banjo 331 00:18:32,521 --> 00:18:33,822 and to give up that whole thing. 332 00:18:33,855 --> 00:18:35,357 And that was, like, part of the reason 333 00:18:35,391 --> 00:18:37,159 for getting involved with the electric guitar 334 00:18:37,193 --> 00:18:39,861 and all that is are all fundamentally reactions 335 00:18:39,895 --> 00:18:42,498 to that trend in myself. 336 00:18:42,531 --> 00:18:46,502 Weir: When we picked up the electric instruments, 337 00:18:46,535 --> 00:18:51,773 the focus on idiomatic purity dropped away. 338 00:18:51,807 --> 00:18:54,443 I viewed The Warlocks... 339 00:18:54,476 --> 00:18:56,745 While this is a blues band in one sense, 340 00:18:56,778 --> 00:19:00,449 it's also a kind of mutated bluegrass band 341 00:19:00,482 --> 00:19:02,384 on a certain level. 342 00:19:02,418 --> 00:19:04,553 And I thought it'd be nice to have an electric band 343 00:19:04,586 --> 00:19:06,531 where the instruments talk to each other you know? 344 00:19:06,555 --> 00:19:09,725 And so everything we did came from that idea. 345 00:19:11,727 --> 00:19:15,597 I think it may have been May 8, 1965, 346 00:19:15,631 --> 00:19:17,433 when a bunch of friends and I 347 00:19:17,466 --> 00:19:19,768 came down to Magoo's Pizza Parlor 348 00:19:19,801 --> 00:19:23,272 to catch Jerry's band The Warlocks. 349 00:19:29,278 --> 00:19:31,613 I was immediately in love with the sound... 350 00:19:33,482 --> 00:19:35,917 of electric guitars. 351 00:19:35,951 --> 00:19:38,554 Oh, you know, I mean, 352 00:19:38,587 --> 00:19:41,257 it was really thrilling to be up close to it 353 00:19:41,290 --> 00:19:44,893 because all I'd heard of that music was records. 354 00:19:47,496 --> 00:19:48,764 Garcia: When I met Phil, 355 00:19:48,797 --> 00:19:52,601 he was a lunatic classical composer. 356 00:19:55,003 --> 00:19:57,773 He was writing this thing for four orchestras, 357 00:19:57,806 --> 00:19:59,975 you know, and a super live wire, Phil was. 358 00:20:00,008 --> 00:20:02,278 When I first met him, he was a real live wire, 359 00:20:02,311 --> 00:20:04,012 so we hit it off like sparks. 360 00:20:04,045 --> 00:20:06,482 Phil Lesh: Jerry, just out of nowhere, 361 00:20:06,515 --> 00:20:08,984 sat me down in one other booth. 362 00:20:09,017 --> 00:20:10,386 He said, "Hey man, 363 00:20:10,419 --> 00:20:12,621 "I want you to play bass in this band. 364 00:20:12,654 --> 00:20:14,390 "I know you don't play the bass. 365 00:20:14,423 --> 00:20:15,824 I know you can do it." 366 00:20:15,857 --> 00:20:17,926 ♪ ...trouble all my life 367 00:20:17,959 --> 00:20:20,262 I said, "Okay, Jerry." 368 00:20:20,296 --> 00:20:21,963 And I was just stunned 369 00:20:21,997 --> 00:20:25,000 because, like, the whole world just opened up. 370 00:20:31,507 --> 00:20:33,809 I mean, this just came from like manna from heaven. 371 00:20:33,842 --> 00:20:35,411 ♪ Out in the cold 372 00:20:35,444 --> 00:20:36,778 My chance to play music 373 00:20:36,812 --> 00:20:38,680 with somebody who wanted to make something 374 00:20:38,714 --> 00:20:39,948 that was unique. 375 00:20:41,517 --> 00:20:43,985 Man: Everybody in all bands, 376 00:20:44,019 --> 00:20:45,687 they'd listen to other musicians 377 00:20:45,721 --> 00:20:47,356 to learn to be better players. 378 00:20:48,690 --> 00:20:50,692 And Garcia was that person for me. 379 00:20:50,726 --> 00:20:52,361 He was like my music teacher. 380 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:56,765 He taught me about chord changes. 381 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:00,035 When I was 17 years old, 382 00:21:00,068 --> 00:21:01,537 I didn't even know what a change was. 383 00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:02,904 Garcia: You know, he was, like, 384 00:21:02,938 --> 00:21:05,507 just a teenager, just a kid, you know. 385 00:21:05,541 --> 00:21:07,676 When me and Pigpen and Weir 386 00:21:07,709 --> 00:21:10,011 talked about puttin' together an electric blues band, 387 00:21:10,045 --> 00:21:12,448 the only drummer that I really played with around that area 388 00:21:12,481 --> 00:21:14,950 that I felt really had a nice feel was Bill. 389 00:21:14,983 --> 00:21:18,086 So I talked to him, and he was just as weird as ever. 390 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,855 I mean, I really, really didn't understand 391 00:21:19,888 --> 00:21:21,957 anything he said, you know? 392 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:23,825 I asked him if he wanted to play, 393 00:21:23,859 --> 00:21:25,594 and he was just like, you know. 394 00:21:25,627 --> 00:21:28,063 I said, "What?" He said,. 395 00:21:28,096 --> 00:21:29,698 I... "Okay," you know, 396 00:21:29,731 --> 00:21:31,066 so we played, and it was great. 397 00:21:32,534 --> 00:21:34,069 Bill Kreutzmann: It was far out. 398 00:21:34,102 --> 00:21:36,638 It was far out to be in a band 399 00:21:36,672 --> 00:21:39,541 with a person that was also your guiding light in music. 400 00:21:41,477 --> 00:21:44,546 Weir: I learned by example from... from all those guys 401 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:46,948 but probably Jerry the most. 402 00:21:48,384 --> 00:21:50,819 I was the kid in every regard. 403 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:53,755 They were all my older brothers. 404 00:21:55,056 --> 00:21:56,625 Of all my older brothers, 405 00:21:56,658 --> 00:21:58,894 Jerry had the most to say, I'll say that. 406 00:22:00,496 --> 00:22:01,897 And I think he understood 407 00:22:01,930 --> 00:22:04,400 that, if we listen to each other 408 00:22:04,433 --> 00:22:07,002 and lean on each other 409 00:22:07,035 --> 00:22:11,139 and react meaningfully, 410 00:22:11,172 --> 00:22:14,142 stuff is gonna happen. 411 00:22:14,175 --> 00:22:15,811 Lesh: The thing that I got 412 00:22:15,844 --> 00:22:18,747 was the sense that Jerry was going somewhere, 413 00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:21,883 and if I could help get him there... 414 00:22:23,452 --> 00:22:24,853 I was gonna do it. 415 00:22:27,789 --> 00:22:31,760 He was already deeply into the band as a vehicle. 416 00:22:33,729 --> 00:22:37,399 He wanted better things for it than Magoo's Pizza Parlor. 417 00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:42,003 He wanted to make it art, you know, 418 00:22:42,037 --> 00:22:44,139 like, high art. 419 00:22:44,172 --> 00:22:47,909 He would never admit to that, but I did. 420 00:22:49,210 --> 00:22:50,846 Garcia: Typically, we played 421 00:22:50,879 --> 00:22:54,082 six nights a week, five sets a night. 422 00:22:54,115 --> 00:22:55,851 It was a great way to get good. 423 00:22:57,152 --> 00:22:59,755 We were young enough to love it. 424 00:22:59,788 --> 00:23:02,691 And it was also about the time 425 00:23:02,724 --> 00:23:05,494 that Kesey and his collection of friends 426 00:23:05,527 --> 00:23:07,763 came to our attention. 427 00:23:07,796 --> 00:23:11,933 Original prankster credo was never trust a prankster 428 00:23:11,967 --> 00:23:14,836 because, no matter how I try, 429 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:17,606 I will eventually lie to you, 430 00:23:17,639 --> 00:23:19,074 even though I may not want to. 431 00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:20,709 If I say one thing today... 432 00:23:20,742 --> 00:23:21,977 It may not be... 433 00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:23,178 Reporter: Kill that. 434 00:23:23,211 --> 00:23:24,846 Go ahead. Would you repeat that again? 435 00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:30,486 McNally: In the early sixties, 436 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,755 Jerry hooks up with a guy named Ken Kesey 437 00:23:33,789 --> 00:23:35,624 who's written a revolutionary book 438 00:23:35,657 --> 00:23:37,217 called One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. 439 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,031 Kesey gathers around him a number of people, 440 00:23:43,064 --> 00:23:45,200 one of which is Neal Cassady, 441 00:23:45,233 --> 00:23:48,937 who is the basis for Dean Moriarty in On The Road. 442 00:23:50,105 --> 00:23:52,240 Along with Kesey and his friends, 443 00:23:52,273 --> 00:23:55,010 who were dubbed the Merry Pranksters, 444 00:23:55,043 --> 00:24:00,215 they become interested in a drug called LSD 25. 445 00:24:02,718 --> 00:24:04,520 On the governmental level... 446 00:24:05,954 --> 00:24:07,856 the original idea had been 447 00:24:07,889 --> 00:24:09,758 that this was a potential weapon. 448 00:24:09,791 --> 00:24:13,795 So they began a number of different psychedelic experiments. 449 00:24:13,829 --> 00:24:16,231 Narrator: Now drugged with LSD, 450 00:24:16,264 --> 00:24:19,568 the men found it difficult to obey orders. 451 00:24:19,601 --> 00:24:23,138 When an officer ordered a leader to drill the squad, 452 00:24:23,171 --> 00:24:25,874 he responded with "You want 'em drilled? 453 00:24:25,907 --> 00:24:27,676 You drill 'em." 454 00:24:27,709 --> 00:24:29,645 There was much laughter, 455 00:24:29,678 --> 00:24:32,548 and soon the results were chaotic. 456 00:24:32,581 --> 00:24:34,783 McNally: Through the MK Ultra program, 457 00:24:34,816 --> 00:24:38,720 the federal government introduces this drug to Kesey, 458 00:24:38,754 --> 00:24:41,890 who begins taking it in ways that they never imagined. 459 00:24:41,923 --> 00:24:43,124 Kesey: I've always thought 460 00:24:43,158 --> 00:24:44,693 that this is one of those things 461 00:24:44,726 --> 00:24:46,962 that proves that God has a sense of humor 462 00:24:46,995 --> 00:24:48,897 when you realize it was the CIA 463 00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:50,766 that really turned on America. 464 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:54,202 And then Kesey starts planning a series 465 00:24:54,235 --> 00:24:56,572 of what they came to call Acid Tests. 466 00:24:56,605 --> 00:24:58,607 - The acid test. - The acid test. 467 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,542 - The acid... - Hey, once again. 468 00:25:00,576 --> 00:25:02,053 Garcia: The thing that was fun about those days 469 00:25:02,077 --> 00:25:03,779 was that people came to the Acid Tests 470 00:25:03,812 --> 00:25:05,981 for the acid tests, not for us. 471 00:25:06,014 --> 00:25:08,850 You know, the Acid Test was not that kind of scene. 472 00:25:08,884 --> 00:25:10,886 Everybody paid to get into it... everybody. 473 00:25:10,919 --> 00:25:13,154 You know, we paid each a dollar to get into it. 474 00:25:14,255 --> 00:25:15,891 We weren't famous. 475 00:25:15,924 --> 00:25:18,159 Nobody came to the Acid Test to see us, you know, 476 00:25:18,193 --> 00:25:19,695 so nothing was expected of us. 477 00:25:19,728 --> 00:25:21,630 Announcer: Yes, the Merry Band of Pranksters 478 00:25:21,663 --> 00:25:24,766 are the stars in the movie The Acid Test. 479 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,903 Lesh: It wasn't a gig. We weren't required to play. 480 00:25:29,905 --> 00:25:32,941 We usually wanted to, but not always. 481 00:25:32,974 --> 00:25:34,743 Announcer: Pigpen. 482 00:25:43,118 --> 00:25:44,986 Garcia: There were times when we would play, 483 00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:46,354 like, two or three tunes 484 00:25:46,387 --> 00:25:48,924 or even a couple of notes and just stop. 485 00:25:48,957 --> 00:25:51,026 It was great to have that kind of freedom. 486 00:25:53,361 --> 00:25:54,830 Man: Come on now. 487 00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:13,982 It was totally fun, 488 00:26:14,015 --> 00:26:15,884 and they were very liberating for us 489 00:26:15,917 --> 00:26:18,386 because it kind of went along with where we were going, 490 00:26:18,419 --> 00:26:21,289 which was we were experimenting with psychedelics 491 00:26:21,322 --> 00:26:23,725 as much as we were playing music. 492 00:26:25,126 --> 00:26:26,995 Narrator: LSD was isolated 493 00:26:27,028 --> 00:26:28,363 by Stoll and Hofmann 494 00:26:28,396 --> 00:26:30,298 in a Sandoz pharmaceutical company 495 00:26:30,331 --> 00:26:31,967 of Basel, Switzerland. 496 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,669 The doors swung wide open 497 00:26:33,702 --> 00:26:36,905 for research into the biochemistry of psychosis. 498 00:26:36,938 --> 00:26:38,740 Our attention will be focused 499 00:26:38,774 --> 00:26:41,677 on the experiences of our volunteer subject Bill. 500 00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:43,812 I'm going to give you this cup 501 00:26:43,845 --> 00:26:49,217 that contains lysergic acid 100 microgram. 502 00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:50,762 Weir: It was a lot of trouble to go to. 503 00:26:50,786 --> 00:26:51,987 I mean, you know, it... 504 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:55,824 A lot of the LSD experience is not fun. 505 00:26:55,857 --> 00:26:57,392 Announcer: Listen to me. 506 00:26:57,425 --> 00:27:00,228 You have to work your way through some stuff. 507 00:27:00,261 --> 00:27:02,030 Announcer: It feels pretty good. 508 00:27:02,063 --> 00:27:03,699 Kreutzmann: This was a saving device. 509 00:27:03,732 --> 00:27:05,133 This was a way of being safe, 510 00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:08,269 gettin' away from all that straightness. 511 00:27:08,303 --> 00:27:10,138 It's like, holy shit, 512 00:27:10,171 --> 00:27:13,942 thank God there's a place we can go that's cool. 513 00:27:13,975 --> 00:27:15,944 This thing comes over me 514 00:27:15,977 --> 00:27:21,817 of... almost like the singing of angels or something. 515 00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:24,419 ♪ I wrote a letter 516 00:27:24,452 --> 00:27:26,888 ♪ Mailed it in the 517 00:27:26,922 --> 00:27:29,691 ♪ Mailed it in the air 518 00:27:29,725 --> 00:27:31,226 ♪ Indeedie 519 00:27:31,259 --> 00:27:33,729 ♪ Wrote a letter 520 00:27:33,762 --> 00:27:36,431 ♪ Mailed in the air 521 00:27:36,464 --> 00:27:38,734 Kreutzmann: The camaraderie in that, 522 00:27:38,767 --> 00:27:42,003 the fellowship in that is so powerful. 523 00:27:42,037 --> 00:27:45,173 ♪ I have got a friend somewhere ♪ 524 00:27:45,206 --> 00:27:47,909 Somehow I don't seem like I'm myself. 525 00:27:47,943 --> 00:27:50,045 I feel as though I'm several other people 526 00:27:50,078 --> 00:27:51,279 and all of them better. 527 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,982 Kreutzmann: That whole thing 528 00:27:54,015 --> 00:27:56,752 about losing the ego, losing the self... 529 00:27:56,785 --> 00:27:58,286 You don't lose anything. 530 00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:00,221 You just don't have to be anybody. 531 00:28:00,255 --> 00:28:02,457 It's not about losing anything, really. 532 00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:04,726 It just comes in totally free. 533 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,229 It's a blank canvas that you can paint any way you want. 534 00:28:08,263 --> 00:28:10,165 Do you have the pleasant feeling 535 00:28:10,198 --> 00:28:11,733 that you described before? 536 00:28:11,767 --> 00:28:14,369 Yes, uh, I still have it. 537 00:28:14,402 --> 00:28:16,171 I'll never get over it. 538 00:28:16,204 --> 00:28:19,474 It's something that... I'll never be the same. 539 00:28:19,507 --> 00:28:22,510 Do you find it easier to draw this picture 540 00:28:22,543 --> 00:28:25,313 or a little more difficult? 541 00:28:25,346 --> 00:28:27,348 It's... It's a lot of fun. 542 00:28:27,382 --> 00:28:30,351 ♪ ...by now that I 543 00:28:30,385 --> 00:28:34,923 ♪ Have got a friend somewhere ♪ 544 00:28:34,956 --> 00:28:37,034 Kreutzmann: And then you got to spend all night there. 545 00:28:37,058 --> 00:28:39,060 See, I never understood why the... 546 00:28:39,094 --> 00:28:41,262 Why the music had to stop at 2:00 547 00:28:41,296 --> 00:28:43,164 because LSD will keep you going all night. 548 00:28:43,198 --> 00:28:44,866 Doctor: 2:48. 549 00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,035 What follows now is called by Bill 550 00:28:47,068 --> 00:28:48,937 a messianic experience. 551 00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:51,039 There it is. I feel these lovely colors 552 00:28:51,072 --> 00:28:52,173 vibrating all over me. 553 00:28:52,207 --> 00:28:53,241 Oh, it's lovely. 554 00:28:53,274 --> 00:28:54,976 - Any lines? - Ohh. 555 00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:56,477 Any forms? 556 00:28:56,511 --> 00:28:59,014 Just like the shimmering water, you know? 557 00:29:10,558 --> 00:29:12,227 Do you feel happy now? 558 00:29:14,562 --> 00:29:16,131 Do you feel happy? 559 00:29:17,232 --> 00:29:18,967 - Yes. - You must be 560 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,768 because you have tears in your eyes. 561 00:29:22,570 --> 00:29:24,172 Ohh. 562 00:29:24,205 --> 00:29:25,874 Is that a beautiful experience, 563 00:29:25,907 --> 00:29:26,907 would you say? 564 00:29:29,878 --> 00:29:31,412 Bill: I would say yes. 565 00:29:31,446 --> 00:29:33,381 Describe it again. 566 00:29:33,414 --> 00:29:35,583 Oh, I don't know. 567 00:29:35,616 --> 00:29:37,118 Mmm? 568 00:29:37,152 --> 00:29:39,254 Doing fine. Just try to describe it. 569 00:29:40,521 --> 00:29:42,057 Oh, you just... You don't know. 570 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:43,859 I mean, you... 571 00:29:43,892 --> 00:29:47,262 you wanna give yourself... 572 00:29:47,295 --> 00:29:48,997 You wanna give yourself such a... 573 00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:50,498 What happens when I do this? 574 00:29:52,868 --> 00:29:54,102 I don't know. It sort of... 575 00:29:54,135 --> 00:29:56,237 Ahem, nothing much, 576 00:29:56,271 --> 00:29:58,139 except that I was sort of getting somewhere, 577 00:29:58,173 --> 00:30:00,075 - and you interrupted it. - I see. 578 00:30:00,108 --> 00:30:01,843 Sort of irritating in a way, I suppose. 579 00:30:01,877 --> 00:30:03,211 I know, but this experience 580 00:30:03,244 --> 00:30:04,555 was getting to be a little overwhelming. 581 00:30:04,579 --> 00:30:05,613 Isn't that right? 582 00:30:05,646 --> 00:30:07,148 Well, I wouldn't say. 583 00:30:07,182 --> 00:30:08,449 I'd like to keep it up. 584 00:30:16,391 --> 00:30:19,427 Garcia: I'm a person who was looking for something, 585 00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:21,262 and psychedelics and music 586 00:30:21,296 --> 00:30:23,431 are both part of what I was looking for. 587 00:30:23,464 --> 00:30:25,400 Psychedelics are probably 588 00:30:25,433 --> 00:30:30,405 the single most significant experience in my life. 589 00:30:31,606 --> 00:30:33,508 ♪ Bring it on 590 00:30:33,541 --> 00:30:34,976 ♪ A little bit higher 591 00:30:35,010 --> 00:30:37,412 Lesh: It's safe to say, I think, 592 00:30:37,445 --> 00:30:39,881 that the acid test experience 593 00:30:39,915 --> 00:30:43,451 really formed the band, you know, 594 00:30:43,484 --> 00:30:46,054 as a, uh, group mind. 595 00:30:46,087 --> 00:30:48,223 ♪ A little bit higher 596 00:30:48,256 --> 00:30:49,925 And the audience was part of that. 597 00:30:49,958 --> 00:30:52,227 ♪ A little bit higher, higher, higher ♪ 598 00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:53,461 ♪ A little bit higher 599 00:30:53,494 --> 00:30:56,397 I remember distinctly receiving, 600 00:30:56,431 --> 00:30:59,634 like, literal communications from the audience. 601 00:30:59,667 --> 00:31:02,070 - ♪ A little big higher. - ♪ A little bit higher 602 00:31:02,103 --> 00:31:04,172 Nothing in words. 603 00:31:04,205 --> 00:31:07,675 Sometimes it was like actual musical ideas, 604 00:31:07,708 --> 00:31:09,210 little fragments of melody. 605 00:31:11,512 --> 00:31:14,215 That's how the Grateful Dead evolved as they did 606 00:31:14,249 --> 00:31:18,219 was because everybody listened really hard to each other. 607 00:31:18,253 --> 00:31:20,188 - ♪ Movin' on up. - ♪ A little bit higher 608 00:31:20,221 --> 00:31:22,423 That's the only way it can happen. 609 00:31:22,457 --> 00:31:24,359 You have to listen. 610 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,462 You have to listen. 611 00:31:51,219 --> 00:31:53,488 But we discovered 612 00:31:53,521 --> 00:31:55,623 there was another band called The Warlocks, 613 00:31:55,656 --> 00:31:58,493 who later changed their name to the Velvet Underground. 614 00:32:00,195 --> 00:32:03,064 And they had a record out already, so... 615 00:32:03,098 --> 00:32:06,167 I told the guys, "Hey, there's another band called The Warlocks." 616 00:32:06,201 --> 00:32:08,679 Oh, God, we can't have that name. Some other band has that name. 617 00:32:08,703 --> 00:32:10,481 We should probably find another name for ourselves. 618 00:32:10,505 --> 00:32:12,073 We gotta find a new name, you guys. 619 00:32:12,107 --> 00:32:13,417 Jerry just came over to the house one day. 620 00:32:13,441 --> 00:32:14,585 We were over at Phil's house. 621 00:32:14,609 --> 00:32:16,311 We started looking through some books. 622 00:32:16,344 --> 00:32:17,754 We were trying to come up with a name for the band. 623 00:32:17,778 --> 00:32:20,448 And Jerry just was wandering around kind of randomly. 624 00:32:20,481 --> 00:32:22,226 - He had this kind of... - Picked this dictionary. 625 00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:24,385 - Dictionary. - Funk & Wagnalls I think it is. 626 00:32:24,419 --> 00:32:26,621 I picked up this dictionary and just opened it up. 627 00:32:26,654 --> 00:32:29,991 And literally the first thing I saw when I looked at... 628 00:32:30,025 --> 00:32:31,759 Down at the page was Grateful Dead. 629 00:32:31,792 --> 00:32:33,995 That's the first thing I saw. 630 00:32:34,029 --> 00:32:37,765 The folklorists would call it a helper motif. 631 00:32:37,798 --> 00:32:41,502 A hero runs across a mysterious stranger. 632 00:32:41,536 --> 00:32:46,041 Later, it turns out to be a corpse 633 00:32:46,074 --> 00:32:49,077 who helps him achieve his quest. 634 00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:53,681 It was like... Kind of, like... creepy, 635 00:32:53,714 --> 00:32:56,151 but I thought it was a striking combination of words. 636 00:32:57,718 --> 00:32:59,420 McNally: Grateful Dead... 637 00:32:59,454 --> 00:33:04,125 The expression is not really about death. 638 00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:08,329 The stories are about karma: 639 00:33:10,131 --> 00:33:12,500 How you live your life 640 00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:14,602 and how you relate to other people. 641 00:33:16,504 --> 00:33:20,541 By confronting death, you learn how to live. 642 00:33:22,377 --> 00:33:25,580 And Jerry was forced to confront death 643 00:33:25,613 --> 00:33:27,715 at a painfully early age. 644 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:31,152 He was only 5 645 00:33:31,186 --> 00:33:34,155 when his father drowned on a fishing trip. 646 00:33:36,824 --> 00:33:41,496 That's why it was just a remarkable event 647 00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:44,132 when his chubby little finger 648 00:33:44,165 --> 00:33:46,501 fell on the words "Grateful Dead" 649 00:33:46,534 --> 00:33:48,403 when they were looking for a name. 650 00:33:48,436 --> 00:33:50,638 Garcia: It's just repellant enough, you know, 651 00:33:50,671 --> 00:33:54,109 to sort of filter kind of curious onlookers. 652 00:33:54,142 --> 00:33:55,810 And I turned to Phil, and I said... 653 00:33:55,843 --> 00:33:58,113 "Hey, man, how about the Grateful Dead?" 654 00:33:58,146 --> 00:33:59,823 - Like, jokingly, you know? - I'm jumping up and down. 655 00:33:59,847 --> 00:34:01,449 "That's it, that's it." 656 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,463 Because that concept 657 00:34:15,496 --> 00:34:19,834 embraced all of the spiritual rebirth aspect 658 00:34:19,867 --> 00:34:22,770 of what we were trying to do 659 00:34:22,803 --> 00:34:26,274 and what we'd experienced at the Acid Tests. 660 00:34:27,575 --> 00:34:28,709 This is who we are. 661 00:34:28,743 --> 00:34:30,245 We're the Grateful Dead. 662 00:34:30,278 --> 00:34:31,779 We're grateful to be dead 663 00:34:31,812 --> 00:34:35,316 because now we're going to be born anew... 664 00:34:36,451 --> 00:34:39,320 into this incredible world 665 00:34:39,354 --> 00:34:41,589 that we're just glimpsing the edges of. 666 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,762 And it was perfect. 667 00:34:50,198 --> 00:34:52,267 Reporter: These people are hippies. 668 00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:56,171 They all declare themselves rebels against our society. 669 00:34:56,204 --> 00:34:57,872 It is hard to figure out 670 00:34:57,905 --> 00:35:00,508 what positive things they are in favor of. 671 00:35:00,541 --> 00:35:02,477 Their main colony has grown up 672 00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:04,512 in a low-rent district of San Francisco 673 00:35:04,545 --> 00:35:06,881 which is called Haight-Ashbury. 674 00:35:06,914 --> 00:35:09,584 The place has become a mecca for young people 675 00:35:09,617 --> 00:35:11,186 who come in search for something new 676 00:35:11,219 --> 00:35:13,821 and significant for themselves. 677 00:35:13,854 --> 00:35:16,924 ♪ See that girl, barefootin' along ♪ 678 00:35:16,957 --> 00:35:19,827 ♪ Whistlin' and singin', she's a-carryin' on ♪ 679 00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:22,630 There were a lot of people there that were like us: 680 00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:24,799 people whose whole lives 681 00:35:24,832 --> 00:35:27,735 they'd been a little bit different. 682 00:35:27,768 --> 00:35:30,171 They were all people whose life experience had been 683 00:35:30,205 --> 00:35:32,486 that they were a little out of whack with everything else. 684 00:35:34,242 --> 00:35:35,410 And they were artists, 685 00:35:35,443 --> 00:35:37,678 and they were poets and writers 686 00:35:37,712 --> 00:35:40,415 and all kinds of people... People who were, like, 687 00:35:40,448 --> 00:35:43,851 influenced by the beatniks in a sense. 688 00:35:43,884 --> 00:35:45,953 And they sort of came together, 689 00:35:45,986 --> 00:35:47,888 and it was this ideal place for it 690 00:35:47,922 --> 00:35:49,690 because the rent was real cheap. 691 00:35:49,724 --> 00:35:51,702 The houses were wonderful, the beautiful old Victorians. 692 00:35:51,726 --> 00:35:53,437 You know, you get, you know, four or five people, 693 00:35:53,461 --> 00:35:55,396 and you fix it up any way you want, 694 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:56,897 and it was a great way to live. 695 00:35:56,931 --> 00:35:58,475 What we're thinking about is a peaceful planet. 696 00:35:58,499 --> 00:36:00,235 We're not thinkin' about anything else. 697 00:36:00,268 --> 00:36:01,845 We're not thinking about any kind of power. 698 00:36:01,869 --> 00:36:03,547 We're not thinking about of those kind of struggles. 699 00:36:03,571 --> 00:36:04,948 We're not thinking about a revolution 700 00:36:04,972 --> 00:36:07,575 or war or any of that. That's not what we want. 701 00:36:07,608 --> 00:36:10,578 Nobody wants to get hurt. Nobody wants to hurt anybody. 702 00:36:10,611 --> 00:36:13,981 We would all like to be able to live an uncluttered life... 703 00:36:14,014 --> 00:36:15,950 A simple life, a good life, you know? 704 00:36:15,983 --> 00:36:18,653 And, like, think about moving the whole human race 705 00:36:18,686 --> 00:36:20,588 ahead a step. 706 00:36:20,621 --> 00:36:21,989 Reporter: There are many apartments 707 00:36:22,022 --> 00:36:23,691 and houses in Haight-Ashbury 708 00:36:23,724 --> 00:36:25,993 maintained by hippies who work in places 709 00:36:26,026 --> 00:36:29,196 where employers do not mind bizarre dress or long hair. 710 00:36:30,598 --> 00:36:32,967 This is the house of a popular local band 711 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,270 which plays hard-rock music. 712 00:36:35,303 --> 00:36:37,572 They call themselves the Grateful Dead. 713 00:36:37,605 --> 00:36:41,576 In those early days, it was the most basic 714 00:36:41,609 --> 00:36:43,544 hand-to-mouth scale you can imagine. 715 00:36:43,578 --> 00:36:45,946 The whole band would live together in a house. 716 00:36:47,315 --> 00:36:48,849 And we could go and play 717 00:36:48,883 --> 00:36:50,618 anytime we wanted. 718 00:36:50,651 --> 00:36:52,453 Weir: We were living on top of each other 719 00:36:52,487 --> 00:36:54,389 for a few years, you know, 720 00:36:54,422 --> 00:36:58,025 in the same house, sharing the kitchen. 721 00:36:58,058 --> 00:36:59,660 You know, people would bitch 722 00:36:59,694 --> 00:37:03,464 about who didn't close up the milk carton. 723 00:37:03,498 --> 00:37:07,835 It was a family, uh, kind of deal. 724 00:37:10,638 --> 00:37:13,741 Lesh: We played together every day. 725 00:37:13,774 --> 00:37:15,009 Every day. 726 00:37:16,744 --> 00:37:18,313 We used to think ourselves 727 00:37:18,346 --> 00:37:20,381 as being fingers on a hand. 728 00:37:20,415 --> 00:37:22,450 They can move independently... 729 00:37:23,984 --> 00:37:25,453 but they're real... 730 00:37:25,486 --> 00:37:26,806 They're all connected at the core. 731 00:37:28,823 --> 00:37:30,658 Kreutzmann: One of the songs we came up with 732 00:37:30,691 --> 00:37:32,893 early in our career was "The Other One." 733 00:37:32,927 --> 00:37:34,729 The technical aspect of it is 734 00:37:34,762 --> 00:37:38,299 it's a 4-4 with a 6-8 laid on top of it. 735 00:37:38,333 --> 00:37:39,976 Musicians know exactly what I'm talking about. 736 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,303 You're always hearing two different time levels, 737 00:37:42,337 --> 00:37:44,305 4-4 and 6-8. 738 00:37:44,339 --> 00:37:46,674 And that's a 4-4, right? And then it goes... 739 00:37:48,376 --> 00:37:51,646 In "The Other One," I can go anywhere I want. 740 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:53,881 There's nothing that you can't do in it. 741 00:38:12,633 --> 00:38:14,802 That song allowed me to say. 742 00:38:14,835 --> 00:38:17,705 "God, man, we can do anything." 743 00:38:17,738 --> 00:38:21,842 That's when I really knew there were no limitations, 744 00:38:21,876 --> 00:38:24,011 no limitations with my imagination. 745 00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:52,707 Man: We started working on these rhythm games. 746 00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:57,344 1, 2, 3, 4... I go "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1." 747 00:38:58,479 --> 00:39:00,047 And that's where it started. 748 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,858 It started with "The Other One" kind of stuff. 749 00:39:01,882 --> 00:39:04,385 And then we took it out. 750 00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:07,755 Garcia: When Mickey joined, 751 00:39:07,788 --> 00:39:10,491 it was more than adding just another drummer, you know. 752 00:39:10,525 --> 00:39:13,694 He was like... represented another level of formal music. 753 00:39:13,728 --> 00:39:15,406 Mickey Hart: Out there in the rest of the world, 754 00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:17,632 there are time signatures 755 00:39:17,665 --> 00:39:21,502 that people here in the West couldn't even conceive of. 756 00:39:21,536 --> 00:39:23,638 Mickey's interest in the Indian music 757 00:39:23,671 --> 00:39:25,005 and Eastern music 758 00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:26,841 and polyrhythms and things like that 759 00:39:26,874 --> 00:39:29,043 gave us a lot to work with. 760 00:39:29,076 --> 00:39:32,146 And so I would listen, I would introduce them, 761 00:39:32,179 --> 00:39:33,848 and Bill would put the touch to it. 762 00:39:33,881 --> 00:39:35,583 And then, all of a sudden, I got it. 763 00:39:35,616 --> 00:39:36,984 "Okay, good, we both got it. 764 00:39:37,017 --> 00:39:38,662 All right, let's go after it." Bill loved it. 765 00:39:38,686 --> 00:39:42,423 Bill could translate my crazy ideas, 766 00:39:42,457 --> 00:39:44,091 and he could make them swing. 767 00:39:45,626 --> 00:39:49,430 He and I had met at a Count Basie concert, 768 00:39:49,464 --> 00:39:52,066 and he invited me to come to see the band. 769 00:39:58,005 --> 00:40:00,475 At that time, I didn't know their music at all. 770 00:40:02,209 --> 00:40:04,087 All I knew was that they had just changed their name 771 00:40:04,111 --> 00:40:05,446 from The Warlocks. 772 00:40:08,849 --> 00:40:10,918 The music was fearless, in a way. 773 00:40:10,951 --> 00:40:13,588 It was so full of energy and chaotic. 774 00:40:16,657 --> 00:40:18,225 And in the set break, 775 00:40:18,258 --> 00:40:21,529 Bill said, "Let's go get another set of drums 776 00:40:21,562 --> 00:40:24,131 and you can play with us." 777 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,167 And we played. 778 00:40:49,123 --> 00:40:50,825 So after it was all over, 779 00:40:50,858 --> 00:40:54,695 Jerry looks, and he says, "This is the Grateful Dead." 780 00:40:54,729 --> 00:40:57,464 He said, "We could take this around the world." 781 00:40:59,967 --> 00:41:01,736 It's alive. 782 00:41:01,769 --> 00:41:03,738 It's alive. It's alive! 783 00:41:03,771 --> 00:41:05,472 It's alive! 784 00:41:11,746 --> 00:41:13,781 Garcia: There was a conscious decision in my life 785 00:41:13,814 --> 00:41:15,916 to be involved in something that was living. 786 00:41:17,184 --> 00:41:18,919 And the Grateful Dead, 787 00:41:18,953 --> 00:41:20,487 that's it. 788 00:41:24,058 --> 00:41:26,894 So, like, I know the trick that you do 789 00:41:26,927 --> 00:41:28,663 to get everybody up and dancing, 790 00:41:28,696 --> 00:41:29,973 and I know the trick that you do 791 00:41:29,997 --> 00:41:31,799 to get a standing ovation, you know? 792 00:41:31,832 --> 00:41:34,201 We've learned those things as a group, right? 793 00:41:34,234 --> 00:41:37,772 But you can't rely on them because they're lies. 794 00:41:37,805 --> 00:41:41,609 Once you know them, they then become a device, 795 00:41:41,642 --> 00:41:43,944 and once it's a device, it's frozen. 796 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,014 I mean, I don't see any sense 797 00:41:47,047 --> 00:41:48,725 in doing the same thing over and over again, 798 00:41:48,749 --> 00:41:50,226 no matter what it is, no matter how boss it is. 799 00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:51,719 It's like, to me, 800 00:41:51,752 --> 00:41:54,722 uh, being alive means to continue to change. 801 00:42:01,228 --> 00:42:04,331 I remember one time after the Watts Acid Test, 802 00:42:04,364 --> 00:42:06,801 which was particularly strange. 803 00:42:08,268 --> 00:42:09,770 You know, it's dawn. 804 00:42:13,107 --> 00:42:15,776 We drove the bus over to the Watts towers, 805 00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:17,130 and we got out and looked at them. 806 00:42:25,352 --> 00:42:28,088 Weir: You know, we were young. 807 00:42:28,122 --> 00:42:30,357 Jerry was... Christ, what was he? 808 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:35,095 Maybe... 21, 22 809 00:42:35,129 --> 00:42:36,096 when, uh... 810 00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:38,298 When he... 811 00:42:38,332 --> 00:42:42,670 had that realization with the Watts towers. 812 00:42:42,703 --> 00:42:44,772 Garcia: See, the city of Los Angeles said, 813 00:42:44,805 --> 00:42:46,106 "These things are dangerous. 814 00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:47,651 They're gonna fall down and hurt somebody." 815 00:42:47,675 --> 00:42:49,009 So they moved wreckers 816 00:42:49,043 --> 00:42:50,711 and things like that in there, and cranes, 817 00:42:50,745 --> 00:42:52,613 and they tried to pull down this guy's towers 818 00:42:52,647 --> 00:42:54,348 after he was dead. 819 00:42:54,381 --> 00:42:56,226 They couldn't budge them. They couldn't pull them down. 820 00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:58,385 So they said, "Well they're solid." 821 00:42:58,418 --> 00:43:01,355 So now they're in the tourist pamphlets and stuff like that. 822 00:43:01,388 --> 00:43:03,958 But my thoughts about that were something like, 823 00:43:03,991 --> 00:43:08,395 Well, if you work by yourself as hard as you can, every day, 824 00:43:08,428 --> 00:43:09,964 after you're dead, 825 00:43:09,997 --> 00:43:11,866 you've left behind something 826 00:43:11,899 --> 00:43:13,834 that they can't tear down, you know. 827 00:43:13,868 --> 00:43:17,337 If you work real hard, that's the payoff. 828 00:43:17,371 --> 00:43:20,007 The individual artist's payoff, 829 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,677 that thing that exists after you're dead. 830 00:43:26,681 --> 00:43:30,818 You know, and I thought, Wow, that's not it for me. 831 00:43:30,851 --> 00:43:32,920 Instead of making something that lasts forever, 832 00:43:32,953 --> 00:43:35,022 I thought, I think I'd rather have fun. 833 00:43:35,055 --> 00:43:38,158 Weir: He was saying "Fun. I just want to have fun." 834 00:43:38,192 --> 00:43:40,094 For me, it was more important to be involved 835 00:43:40,127 --> 00:43:42,129 in something that was flowing and dynamic 836 00:43:42,162 --> 00:43:45,065 and not so solid that you couldn't tear it down. 837 00:43:45,099 --> 00:43:47,334 I just started giggling with him. 838 00:43:49,036 --> 00:43:50,070 I got it. 839 00:43:54,341 --> 00:43:55,642 In eternity... 840 00:43:57,344 --> 00:44:00,915 nothing will be remembered of you. 841 00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:07,988 So why not just have fun? 842 00:44:11,391 --> 00:44:15,362 I guess it's probably a diminutive way 843 00:44:15,395 --> 00:44:18,265 of saying something that people would try to enshrine 844 00:44:18,298 --> 00:44:21,035 in much loftier terms. 845 00:44:22,837 --> 00:44:24,805 You're there in the exploding moment. 846 00:44:28,108 --> 00:44:29,810 And I was there with him, you know, 847 00:44:29,844 --> 00:44:31,345 and I was down with that. 848 00:44:31,378 --> 00:44:33,447 Yeah. Let's have some fun. 849 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,604 Hart: Drums give their life in the playing. 850 00:44:47,606 --> 00:44:49,641 They decompose. 851 00:44:49,675 --> 00:44:52,478 You know, we beat 'em up. 852 00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:56,181 When a drum comes into my collection, 853 00:44:56,214 --> 00:45:00,185 it gets sampled and put in the memory banks. 854 00:45:04,623 --> 00:45:06,124 I'm trying to develop an instrument 855 00:45:06,157 --> 00:45:08,059 that will allow me to go into the future. 856 00:45:08,093 --> 00:45:10,862 So you can do all kinds of things with it. 857 00:45:10,896 --> 00:45:12,464 This is the one that does it. 858 00:45:15,601 --> 00:45:17,569 This is the time and space machine, really. 859 00:45:19,805 --> 00:45:22,941 That's what this thing does. It's a time and space machine. 860 00:45:29,014 --> 00:45:31,883 Weir: It's almost inescapable that if you work at something, 861 00:45:31,917 --> 00:45:33,985 you're gonna build something. 862 00:45:34,019 --> 00:45:38,256 There's no information at all. 863 00:45:38,289 --> 00:45:42,661 Well, we were workin' at it, this book of songs... 864 00:45:42,694 --> 00:45:44,796 Is there a label on that one? 865 00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:46,031 ...and a book of recordings. 866 00:45:46,064 --> 00:45:48,967 Uh, let's pull these. 867 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,939 Everybody's trying to decide what it was we were up to. 868 00:45:53,972 --> 00:45:56,875 And what this meant, and what that meant. 869 00:45:56,908 --> 00:45:58,644 Wait, wait, wait, wait. 870 00:45:58,677 --> 00:46:00,679 Then they closed the book and put it on the shelf. 871 00:46:00,712 --> 00:46:04,082 Ah, you wanted to see footage. 872 00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:06,885 Oh, this is, this is... 873 00:46:06,918 --> 00:46:08,053 Hollywood Pop festival. 874 00:46:08,086 --> 00:46:10,155 Holy Jesus. Okay, this is... 875 00:46:10,188 --> 00:46:11,256 Nineteen-Seventy. 876 00:46:11,289 --> 00:46:12,724 This is the holy grail here. 877 00:46:12,758 --> 00:46:13,892 "Rehearsal Roundhouse, 878 00:46:13,925 --> 00:46:16,261 including Candyman and Live Dead." 879 00:46:16,294 --> 00:46:18,897 Christ. We're gonna need a screening room, I guess. 880 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:25,837 Let's set up a little theater at TRI, get some take out. 881 00:46:25,871 --> 00:46:27,639 This is gonna be fun. 882 00:46:27,673 --> 00:46:31,176 Man: Emotional content. 883 00:46:39,918 --> 00:46:41,152 Weir: Holy Jesus. 884 00:46:43,722 --> 00:46:44,856 Wow. 885 00:46:47,826 --> 00:46:51,697 Okay, this is... This is from London. 886 00:46:51,730 --> 00:46:53,965 I wonder if this has soundtrack on it? 887 00:47:01,206 --> 00:47:03,809 This has never been seen. 888 00:47:03,842 --> 00:47:06,578 ...a moment or two, and then we'll be on our way to Philadelphia. 889 00:47:06,612 --> 00:47:07,779 I don't know why. 890 00:47:07,813 --> 00:47:09,180 Sam Cutler: Well, I mean, 891 00:47:09,214 --> 00:47:12,984 I can tell you exactly what happened, right? 892 00:47:13,018 --> 00:47:15,086 Man: One, take one, tail slate. 893 00:47:22,127 --> 00:47:25,030 Cutler: This was a period when business 894 00:47:25,063 --> 00:47:27,633 was looking at the hippie scene 895 00:47:27,666 --> 00:47:31,870 and working out different forms of how to commercialize it. 896 00:47:33,672 --> 00:47:37,843 The perfect, idyllic childhood of the Grateful Dead 897 00:47:37,876 --> 00:47:41,179 as a group of musicians was over. 898 00:47:42,681 --> 00:47:44,349 The Haight-Ashbury was destroyed 899 00:47:44,382 --> 00:47:45,984 by becoming popular. 900 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:50,221 So, the hippies left. 901 00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,298 I've constantly traveled all my life. 902 00:48:00,331 --> 00:48:02,834 That's the dream, you know. 903 00:48:02,868 --> 00:48:06,905 Get a van and go to bed in it, cruise around America. 904 00:48:11,009 --> 00:48:14,746 A tour manager's role is a very odd thing to define, 905 00:48:14,780 --> 00:48:17,683 because what a tour manager does is what's ever necessary 906 00:48:17,716 --> 00:48:19,350 to keep the whole damn thing rolling. 907 00:48:19,384 --> 00:48:23,121 Rollin', rollin', rollin'. 908 00:48:23,154 --> 00:48:26,024 If you're gonna to be the tour manager for the Grateful Dead, 909 00:48:26,057 --> 00:48:29,695 the kind of person that you are is a person that's 910 00:48:29,728 --> 00:48:32,063 prepared to deal, 911 00:48:32,097 --> 00:48:33,965 in essence, with anything. 912 00:48:35,366 --> 00:48:37,202 You know, I mean, 913 00:48:37,235 --> 00:48:39,270 'cause if you're not prepared to deal with it... 914 00:48:40,939 --> 00:48:43,008 Uh-oh. 915 00:48:43,041 --> 00:48:44,843 So, what's happening here, 916 00:48:44,876 --> 00:48:47,112 I've got a cop right behind me. 917 00:48:47,145 --> 00:48:48,680 I think he wants to... 918 00:48:50,315 --> 00:48:52,784 Are we being pulled? 919 00:48:52,818 --> 00:48:54,419 We are. 920 00:48:54,452 --> 00:48:56,387 My black jacket is on the bed. 921 00:48:56,421 --> 00:48:58,790 It's got my driver's license and everything in it. 922 00:48:58,824 --> 00:49:00,692 Pass it to me, please. 923 00:49:04,863 --> 00:49:08,700 I don't have any issues with the police, 924 00:49:08,734 --> 00:49:11,703 'cause I never travel with drugs. 925 00:49:13,238 --> 00:49:16,141 There's a simple reason. 926 00:49:16,174 --> 00:49:18,109 There's no necessity for me to travel 927 00:49:18,143 --> 00:49:19,745 from A to B with drugs, 928 00:49:19,778 --> 00:49:21,288 because all the drugs I would ever need 929 00:49:21,312 --> 00:49:23,915 are wherever I happen to find myself. 930 00:49:23,949 --> 00:49:26,918 I mean right now, within thirty minutes, 931 00:49:26,952 --> 00:49:30,055 I could find any drug that I want. 932 00:49:30,088 --> 00:49:31,823 I could look on the street. 933 00:49:31,857 --> 00:49:33,367 I'm not going to go talk to that guy, am I? 934 00:49:33,391 --> 00:49:35,927 The Lubavitch or whatever you call those people. 935 00:49:35,961 --> 00:49:39,097 I can just look at people. 936 00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:41,042 I go, "Oh, yeah. There's the guy to talk to." I know that. 937 00:49:41,066 --> 00:49:43,769 Yeah, instinctively. 938 00:49:43,802 --> 00:49:46,237 Well, go on, get out of the fucking way, 939 00:49:46,271 --> 00:49:47,438 you fucking idiot. 940 00:49:49,941 --> 00:49:53,144 People ask who the Grateful Dead were, what they are, right? 941 00:49:53,178 --> 00:49:55,747 And one time, I was sitting with Garcia. 942 00:49:55,781 --> 00:49:57,382 We'd just smoked a joint. 943 00:49:57,415 --> 00:49:59,818 I'd only known the man, I don't know, 944 00:49:59,851 --> 00:50:01,219 three days or something. 945 00:50:01,252 --> 00:50:02,363 I says, "Well, what are the Grateful Dead? 946 00:50:02,387 --> 00:50:03,955 "Who are the Grateful Dead? 947 00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:06,124 What is this thing called the Grateful Dead?" 948 00:50:06,157 --> 00:50:08,126 And Jerry said, "Well, 949 00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:11,830 "if you think of the music business as a forest, 950 00:50:11,863 --> 00:50:14,966 "the thicket of the music business, 951 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,969 "and you come to, like, a little break in the forest, 952 00:50:18,003 --> 00:50:22,808 "and there's a patch in the sunlight of grass... 953 00:50:22,841 --> 00:50:26,778 "and in the middle of that patch... 954 00:50:26,812 --> 00:50:30,181 "there's some little flowers growing. 955 00:50:30,215 --> 00:50:33,084 Those flowers, that's the Grateful Dead." 956 00:50:36,387 --> 00:50:38,423 Jesus, man, you know what I mean? 957 00:50:38,456 --> 00:50:39,991 For fuck's sake, you know what I mean? 958 00:50:40,025 --> 00:50:41,359 But, that's how they are. 959 00:50:45,096 --> 00:50:47,232 Garcia: Dingy little airport. 960 00:50:49,868 --> 00:50:52,237 Cutler: I was very lucky to be with the Grateful Dead 961 00:50:52,270 --> 00:50:56,241 for their first European tour... 962 00:50:56,274 --> 00:50:58,176 paid for by Warner Brothers, 963 00:50:58,209 --> 00:50:59,811 you know, their record company. 964 00:50:59,845 --> 00:51:02,147 Where's the rest of them? 965 00:51:02,180 --> 00:51:04,916 Warner Brothers wanted to turn the Grateful Dead 966 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:07,552 into a very successful rock 'n' roll band. 967 00:51:07,585 --> 00:51:11,289 What a revolting display. 968 00:51:11,322 --> 00:51:13,491 They were only interested in one model 969 00:51:13,524 --> 00:51:16,194 of what constituted the Grateful Dead. 970 00:51:16,227 --> 00:51:18,029 That was a model that sold records. 971 00:51:18,063 --> 00:51:19,898 - Is this the new album? - Yeah. 972 00:51:19,931 --> 00:51:21,332 There aren't any old ones. 973 00:51:21,366 --> 00:51:23,835 It took years, in fact, for the Grateful Dead 974 00:51:23,869 --> 00:51:26,104 to provide Warner Brothers with something 975 00:51:26,137 --> 00:51:30,475 that Warner Brothers was capable of selling. 976 00:51:30,508 --> 00:51:33,979 Before that, it was like, 977 00:51:34,012 --> 00:51:36,214 "Oh my God, what do we do with these people?" 978 00:51:43,989 --> 00:51:47,458 Got to look good now. I want final cut. 979 00:51:51,362 --> 00:51:53,965 I was president of Warner Brothers Records, 980 00:51:53,999 --> 00:51:55,934 and it was a pop company, 981 00:51:55,967 --> 00:51:59,204 and our roster included acts 982 00:51:59,237 --> 00:52:01,339 like Peter, Paul and Mary, 983 00:52:01,372 --> 00:52:05,243 Petula Clark, Frank Sinatra. 984 00:52:05,276 --> 00:52:07,412 We had a terrific label, 985 00:52:07,445 --> 00:52:10,615 and we had some terrific acts, 986 00:52:10,648 --> 00:52:13,218 but we were missing a whole ingredient. 987 00:52:13,251 --> 00:52:16,154 We didn't have a real rock band. 988 00:52:16,187 --> 00:52:20,558 And right up in San Francisco was this scene going on, 989 00:52:20,591 --> 00:52:24,229 and I realized we that we had to make a connection 990 00:52:24,262 --> 00:52:27,465 with this group of musicians, 991 00:52:27,498 --> 00:52:30,201 not that I really understood their lifestyle. 992 00:52:33,204 --> 00:52:35,606 There was one band that was not signed yet. 993 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,143 It was the Grateful Dead. 994 00:52:38,176 --> 00:52:39,945 But, we knew that the Grateful Dead 995 00:52:39,978 --> 00:52:41,679 were one of the leaders of the pack. 996 00:52:41,712 --> 00:52:44,549 And so somebody set up a meeting, 997 00:52:44,582 --> 00:52:47,185 and then I met with the band. 998 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,588 It was like a Fellini movie. 999 00:52:50,621 --> 00:52:52,323 Weird things were happening, 1000 00:52:52,357 --> 00:52:54,559 and the smell of dope in the air, 1001 00:52:54,592 --> 00:52:56,094 and I realized that I wasn't dealing 1002 00:52:56,127 --> 00:52:58,696 with Dean Martin here anymore. 1003 00:52:58,729 --> 00:53:02,968 I'm a middle class guy from Chelsea, Massachusetts 1004 00:53:03,001 --> 00:53:06,004 and had never really been involved in that kind of society. 1005 00:53:06,037 --> 00:53:07,572 And even in the music business, 1006 00:53:07,605 --> 00:53:10,441 the wildest act we had was Trini Lopez. 1007 00:53:10,475 --> 00:53:13,644 And I'm trying to imply that I'm a guy of the streets, 1008 00:53:13,678 --> 00:53:15,213 that I understand their music 1009 00:53:15,246 --> 00:53:17,949 and would do a terrific job for them. 1010 00:53:17,983 --> 00:53:21,319 And we got together and thrashed out a contract. 1011 00:53:21,352 --> 00:53:23,521 And then we got these guys in the studio, 1012 00:53:23,554 --> 00:53:26,491 and then the stuff hit the fan. 1013 00:53:27,625 --> 00:53:28,960 ♪ Na-Na-Na 1014 00:53:28,994 --> 00:53:30,395 - Right? - Yeah, yeah. 1015 00:53:30,428 --> 00:53:33,498 The first couple of albums were very difficult. 1016 00:53:33,531 --> 00:53:35,366 The underground stations played them, 1017 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,537 but no pop station was gonna play a fourteen-minute drone 1018 00:53:39,570 --> 00:53:42,173 with Jerry on the guitar rolling along. 1019 00:53:44,375 --> 00:53:48,546 And I said, "Is it possible we could have maybe a single? 1020 00:53:48,579 --> 00:53:50,548 Is that possible?" 1021 00:53:50,581 --> 00:53:52,550 ♪ Look for a while 1022 00:53:52,583 --> 00:53:56,021 ♪ At the China Cat sunflower 1023 00:53:56,054 --> 00:53:59,590 ♪ Proud walking jingle in the midnight sun ♪ 1024 00:53:59,624 --> 00:54:04,029 Hart: We were the last thing the record company wanted to see. 1025 00:54:04,062 --> 00:54:07,098 Oh man, we drove them mad. 1026 00:54:07,132 --> 00:54:08,575 All right, let's get... Let's do this. 1027 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:11,569 They would send us letters saying things like, 1028 00:54:11,602 --> 00:54:14,639 "You're over budget here, over time. 1029 00:54:14,672 --> 00:54:15,673 You guys are crazy." 1030 00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:22,580 And then, we would grade 'em and send it back to 'em. 1031 00:54:27,352 --> 00:54:28,753 ♪ China Cat 1032 00:54:30,521 --> 00:54:33,058 Garcia: Our strategy was, what we want to do is, 1033 00:54:33,091 --> 00:54:34,759 we want to play in the studio. 1034 00:54:34,792 --> 00:54:36,527 We want to learn how the studio works. 1035 00:54:36,561 --> 00:54:38,496 We don't want somebody else doing it, you know? 1036 00:54:38,529 --> 00:54:40,298 It's our music, we want to do it. 1037 00:54:40,331 --> 00:54:42,800 So, what we did essentially was to spend lots and lots of time 1038 00:54:42,833 --> 00:54:45,070 in the studio fooling around with stuff, you know? 1039 00:54:45,103 --> 00:54:47,772 Let's try this. See what happens when you do this. 1040 00:54:47,805 --> 00:54:49,407 Whoops! That's not going to work. 1041 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,176 Let's try this over here. 1042 00:54:51,209 --> 00:54:56,047 No, no. You know, it was a trial and error kind of thing. 1043 00:54:56,081 --> 00:54:59,384 Hart: I remember, the one day, Bob thought, 1044 00:54:59,417 --> 00:55:02,453 "Oh, it's a full moon. We gotta go to the zoo." 1045 00:55:04,589 --> 00:55:08,159 And so we went ahead, and we started climbing over the gate. 1046 00:55:08,193 --> 00:55:10,495 And we were laughing so much. 1047 00:55:10,528 --> 00:55:12,597 We were so high, you know. 1048 00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:15,666 Smith: The band thought they could come to town 1049 00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:17,468 and go to the zoo, 1050 00:55:17,502 --> 00:55:20,105 and hang out until it closed, 1051 00:55:20,138 --> 00:55:22,273 and at night, turn on their tape recorders. 1052 00:55:22,307 --> 00:55:24,109 We gotta record the animals. 1053 00:55:24,142 --> 00:55:26,423 And they believed they could communicate with the animals. 1054 00:55:29,547 --> 00:55:31,316 And then one day, Bob Weir said, 1055 00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:33,118 "I have an idea. 1056 00:55:33,151 --> 00:55:37,122 "We go out on a hot, smoggy day in Los Angeles. 1057 00:55:37,155 --> 00:55:39,390 "and we record thirty minutes of heavy air. 1058 00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:44,562 "And then, we go to the desert 1059 00:55:44,595 --> 00:55:47,832 "and we do thirty minutes of clear air, and we mix it, 1060 00:55:47,865 --> 00:55:50,501 and that could be like a rhythm track." 1061 00:55:55,606 --> 00:55:59,710 They always claimed that I would never understand their music 1062 00:55:59,744 --> 00:56:02,847 until I turned on. 1063 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,450 That one time I did the laughing gas with them. 1064 00:56:05,483 --> 00:56:07,352 Acid rock, motherfucker. 1065 00:56:07,385 --> 00:56:09,554 Whatever that gas is called. 1066 00:56:09,587 --> 00:56:11,456 - Nitrous rock. - Would you like some gas? 1067 00:56:11,489 --> 00:56:13,724 The costs were going crazy. 1068 00:56:13,758 --> 00:56:17,195 The most expensive project we'd ever had at Warner Brothers Records. 1069 00:56:19,264 --> 00:56:23,334 And still, they wanted more money for the studio. 1070 00:56:23,368 --> 00:56:25,436 And I said, "More money?" 1071 00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:27,805 You've spent over the record amount." 1072 00:56:27,838 --> 00:56:29,507 "We need more money." 1073 00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:33,211 More. 1074 00:56:33,244 --> 00:56:35,546 But we knew we had to stay with this, 1075 00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:40,318 and I could only hope that they would put out something commercial. 1076 00:56:43,421 --> 00:56:44,889 And they came in with the artwork, 1077 00:56:44,922 --> 00:56:47,225 and the title, 1078 00:56:47,258 --> 00:56:49,394 "Aoxomoxoa." 1079 00:56:49,427 --> 00:56:50,928 I still can't pronounce it. 1080 00:56:50,961 --> 00:56:53,464 Aoxomoxoa. It's a palindrome. 1081 00:56:53,498 --> 00:56:55,400 Not my idea of a hit record. 1082 00:57:21,659 --> 00:57:23,961 Lesh: The record company was gonna take what we gave 'em, 1083 00:57:23,994 --> 00:57:26,464 like it or not. 1084 00:57:26,497 --> 00:57:29,234 And we didn't care if they dropped us from the label. 1085 00:57:29,267 --> 00:57:31,269 We don't give a shit. 1086 00:57:32,803 --> 00:57:35,673 Grateful Dead always wanted to play live. 1087 00:57:37,742 --> 00:57:39,477 That was our fundamental thing. 1088 00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:44,849 Recording was like making an ad for the band. 1089 00:57:47,252 --> 00:57:49,587 Kreutzmann: When you went into a studio, 1090 00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:51,356 each track you take, 1091 00:57:51,389 --> 00:57:53,958 you gotta play it the way you did the first time. 1092 00:57:53,991 --> 00:57:57,595 And I never was good at keeping time. 1093 00:57:57,628 --> 00:57:59,630 Time... 1094 00:57:59,664 --> 00:58:02,433 I'm probably the worst drummer at keeping time, 1095 00:58:02,467 --> 00:58:04,345 because I don't think about drumming as keeping time. 1096 00:58:04,369 --> 00:58:05,870 It's not like that. 1097 00:58:05,903 --> 00:58:09,407 Keeping time is something a march band might do. 1098 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,743 For me, it was keeping feeling. 1099 00:58:12,777 --> 00:58:16,414 I like to take the song so far out 1100 00:58:16,447 --> 00:58:18,349 that you don't remember what song you're in. 1101 00:58:18,383 --> 00:58:19,850 And sometimes that would happen. 1102 00:58:19,884 --> 00:58:21,786 I would be playing along going, 1103 00:58:21,819 --> 00:58:23,721 "This is fucking great man. 1104 00:58:23,754 --> 00:58:25,256 "I can't believe this shit. 1105 00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:26,724 This is outrageous." 1106 00:58:26,757 --> 00:58:28,259 Right? And go, 1107 00:58:28,293 --> 00:58:29,827 "Oh shit, what song is this? 1108 00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:31,896 "Oh, it doesn't matter. 1109 00:58:31,929 --> 00:58:33,931 It's working, just keep playing." 1110 00:58:37,034 --> 00:58:40,838 Lesh: The moment is king. 1111 00:58:40,871 --> 00:58:44,309 This is collective improvisation. 1112 00:58:44,342 --> 00:58:46,944 No one person can think all this up themselves. 1113 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,717 And when we're really on it, 1114 00:58:52,750 --> 00:58:54,652 we can open the valve. 1115 00:59:26,651 --> 00:59:28,529 Cutler: The Grateful Dead didn't really care about, 1116 00:59:28,553 --> 00:59:30,955 you know, having a particularly, 1117 00:59:30,988 --> 00:59:34,325 commercially successful record. 1118 00:59:34,359 --> 00:59:37,362 And they certainly didn't care about making lots of money. 1119 00:59:37,395 --> 00:59:39,340 When I joined them, they didn't give a fuck about money. 1120 00:59:39,364 --> 00:59:42,032 That's six pennies. That's twelve pennies. 1121 00:59:42,066 --> 00:59:43,668 We call it a shilling, right? 1122 00:59:43,701 --> 00:59:45,736 Some of them are new and some of them are old, 1123 00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:47,872 so you do it by size basically. 1124 00:59:47,905 --> 00:59:51,876 So what I did was, I saw it as my role 1125 00:59:51,909 --> 00:59:55,480 was to show them how to make a living of being musicians. 1126 00:59:55,513 --> 00:59:57,515 Dollar twenty, right? Half a pound. 1127 00:59:57,548 --> 01:00:00,485 And how to come back from tour with some money, 1128 01:00:00,518 --> 01:00:01,886 which they never did. 1129 01:00:01,919 --> 01:00:03,597 They always came back from tour, there was no money. 1130 01:00:03,621 --> 01:00:05,656 All right, if something cost you eight shillings 1131 01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:08,125 and you gave them a pound, how much change would you expect? 1132 01:00:08,158 --> 01:00:10,361 Garcia: If they gave me eight shillings? 1133 01:00:10,395 --> 01:00:12,506 - Cutler: If it cost eight shillings... - Twelve shillings. 1134 01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:14,708 ...and you gave them a pound, you'd expect twelve back, right. 1135 01:00:14,732 --> 01:00:16,701 Garcia, you're brilliant. 1136 01:00:16,734 --> 01:00:19,370 Duh. 1137 01:00:19,404 --> 01:00:21,147 Cutler: And I think the Grateful Dead hired me 1138 01:00:21,171 --> 01:00:23,741 for one simple reason, 1139 01:00:23,774 --> 01:00:26,544 because I had something that they needed. 1140 01:00:30,014 --> 01:00:31,725 I was the tour manager for the Rolling Stones 1141 01:00:31,749 --> 01:00:33,451 in 1969. 1142 01:00:33,484 --> 01:00:36,086 And then after the Altamont Festival, 1143 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,689 I went to work for the Grateful Dead. 1144 01:00:38,723 --> 01:00:40,725 Jerry was fascinated 1145 01:00:40,758 --> 01:00:45,430 by how the Rolling Stones organized their trip. 1146 01:00:45,463 --> 01:00:47,732 He wanted to know how 1147 01:00:47,765 --> 01:00:52,036 a band could survive... 1148 01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:54,104 as a band, do what they loved, 1149 01:00:54,138 --> 01:00:56,441 which was playing music. 1150 01:00:56,474 --> 01:00:58,709 Man: Mick, you know Jerry, don't you? 1151 01:00:58,743 --> 01:01:00,611 Yeah. 1152 01:01:00,645 --> 01:01:03,414 Cutler: Because of course, the Grateful Dead had no idea 1153 01:01:03,448 --> 01:01:07,652 of what being in a major big band actually involved. 1154 01:01:07,685 --> 01:01:10,421 I don't know man. We've been here some time now. 1155 01:01:10,455 --> 01:01:11,622 How long have you been here? 1156 01:01:11,656 --> 01:01:13,724 Oh, upwards of a couple hours. 1157 01:01:13,758 --> 01:01:15,826 - No, no. - Yes, really. 1158 01:01:15,860 --> 01:01:17,562 Cutler: No idea. 1159 01:01:17,595 --> 01:01:19,897 Completely naive. 1160 01:01:19,930 --> 01:01:20,998 Children. 1161 01:01:21,031 --> 01:01:23,901 Children in a man's world. 1162 01:01:23,934 --> 01:01:25,736 Peace, brother, peace. 1163 01:01:25,770 --> 01:01:27,438 But something very interesting happened 1164 01:01:27,472 --> 01:01:29,139 at the time when I joined them, 1165 01:01:29,173 --> 01:01:31,976 not that it had anything to do with me, I hasten to add, 1166 01:01:32,009 --> 01:01:35,212 which was that the Grateful Dead, 1167 01:01:35,245 --> 01:01:37,915 I think, my view of it is, 1168 01:01:37,948 --> 01:01:41,552 is that they were attempting to redefine, 1169 01:01:41,586 --> 01:01:44,154 as every generation of American artists does, 1170 01:01:44,188 --> 01:01:47,692 what it means to be an American artist. 1171 01:01:47,725 --> 01:01:51,228 What, in fact, it means to be an American. 1172 01:01:51,261 --> 01:01:55,199 Artists in America constantly struggle with this. 1173 01:01:55,232 --> 01:01:57,702 They want to define what America is. 1174 01:01:57,735 --> 01:02:00,037 They want to discover what America is. 1175 01:02:00,070 --> 01:02:02,807 They want to find some clue 1176 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,976 to what it means to be American. 1177 01:02:06,010 --> 01:02:10,047 Americans have got this very, very strange 1178 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,150 and interesting preoccupation 1179 01:02:13,183 --> 01:02:17,254 with the discovery of what constitutes America. 1180 01:02:17,287 --> 01:02:18,823 What it is. 1181 01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:27,698 In America, people leave home 1182 01:02:27,732 --> 01:02:30,868 and go out in search of America. 1183 01:02:33,070 --> 01:02:35,740 People in England don't set out 1184 01:02:35,773 --> 01:02:40,511 and leave home and go in search of England. 1185 01:02:40,545 --> 01:02:42,146 That would be quite preposterous. 1186 01:02:42,179 --> 01:02:46,050 ♪ Well, the first days are the hardest days ♪ 1187 01:02:46,083 --> 01:02:49,654 ♪ Don't you worry any more 1188 01:02:49,687 --> 01:02:52,790 ♪ 'Cause when life looks like easy street ♪ 1189 01:02:52,823 --> 01:02:56,226 ♪ There is danger at your door ♪ 1190 01:02:56,260 --> 01:02:58,095 Hart: We were living in the Haight, 1191 01:02:58,128 --> 01:03:01,031 and it was getting hot for us. 1192 01:03:01,065 --> 01:03:04,869 There were buses coming by the house... 1193 01:03:04,902 --> 01:03:06,537 You know, tourist buses. 1194 01:03:06,571 --> 01:03:09,073 This is the home of the Grateful Dead. 1195 01:03:09,106 --> 01:03:10,708 The feared. 1196 01:03:10,741 --> 01:03:14,912 ...the world which they live in, they take many trips, 1197 01:03:14,945 --> 01:03:17,715 and the trip of the hippies... 1198 01:03:17,748 --> 01:03:20,150 Hart: And, so we felt like, you know, 1199 01:03:20,184 --> 01:03:22,553 it's time to get out of town. 1200 01:03:22,587 --> 01:03:24,689 So I was the first one to move out of the city, 1201 01:03:24,722 --> 01:03:27,291 and I went to a place in the country. 1202 01:03:27,324 --> 01:03:29,660 Everybody started coming out one by one. 1203 01:03:29,694 --> 01:03:32,630 And, you know, within a short amount of time, 1204 01:03:32,663 --> 01:03:35,766 everybody started becoming psychedelic cowboys. 1205 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,669 ♪ Goddamn, well, I declare 1206 01:03:38,703 --> 01:03:41,038 ♪ Have you seen the like? 1207 01:03:41,071 --> 01:03:42,907 And we loved it in the country. 1208 01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:45,876 Loved the trees, loved the wood, loved nature. 1209 01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:49,079 ♪ Their motto is don't tread on me ♪ 1210 01:03:49,113 --> 01:03:52,817 We were learning about everything that is wild. 1211 01:03:52,850 --> 01:03:54,018 These are wild sounds. 1212 01:03:58,756 --> 01:04:00,758 And so, it started to effect the music. 1213 01:04:00,791 --> 01:04:02,860 ♪ To take his children home 1214 01:04:02,893 --> 01:04:05,863 We were discovering what Grateful Dead music could be. 1215 01:04:05,896 --> 01:04:08,065 ♪ Candyman 1216 01:04:08,098 --> 01:04:13,103 ♪ Here he come and he's gone again ♪ 1217 01:04:13,137 --> 01:04:16,774 ♪ Pretty lady ain't got no friend ♪ 1218 01:04:16,807 --> 01:04:25,049 ♪ Till the Candyman comes around again ♪ 1219 01:04:25,082 --> 01:04:26,717 You're going out of tune a lot. 1220 01:04:26,751 --> 01:04:28,686 A bunch. 1221 01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:30,621 Sing it out, man. 1222 01:04:30,655 --> 01:04:32,990 I mean, don't sing it loud, but sing it out. 1223 01:04:33,023 --> 01:04:35,325 Garcia: When it came time to do Workingman's Dead 1224 01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:36,994 and American Beauty, really, 1225 01:04:37,027 --> 01:04:39,063 that's really kind of one long record. 1226 01:04:39,096 --> 01:04:42,733 I talked to the guys and said, "Why don't we approach this one 1227 01:04:42,767 --> 01:04:45,235 "as though it were, like, a country and western record, 1228 01:04:45,269 --> 01:04:47,872 "or like California country and western, 1229 01:04:47,905 --> 01:04:49,206 you know like, Bakersfield." 1230 01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:52,109 ♪ And is gone again 1231 01:04:52,142 --> 01:04:54,979 "And why don't we put more energy into the vocals 1232 01:04:55,012 --> 01:04:58,382 "and making the vocals sound as good as they can 1233 01:04:58,415 --> 01:05:01,385 and not getting hung up on the instrumental surroundings?" 1234 01:05:05,289 --> 01:05:07,692 It's off a little. 1235 01:05:07,725 --> 01:05:09,727 Take a big breath but those notes sound. 1236 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,328 No, no, no. Hold that D on, against... 1237 01:05:11,361 --> 01:05:13,063 I don't care how you hold it. 1238 01:05:13,097 --> 01:05:14,732 No it's not. That's not why it's hard. 1239 01:05:14,765 --> 01:05:17,267 It's hard to hold the D against the slide. 1240 01:05:17,301 --> 01:05:19,069 Why? 1241 01:05:19,103 --> 01:05:20,380 Don't hold it against the slide. 1242 01:05:20,404 --> 01:05:23,173 - Hold it against his G. - Hmm. 1243 01:05:23,207 --> 01:05:27,411 It's really weird if you don't slide at the same velocity. 1244 01:05:27,444 --> 01:05:29,013 You know... 1245 01:05:29,046 --> 01:05:31,916 ♪ Again 1246 01:05:31,949 --> 01:05:34,318 Two, three, four. 1247 01:05:34,351 --> 01:05:38,188 ♪ Again 1248 01:05:38,222 --> 01:05:39,957 Whoo-hoo. 1249 01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:41,902 Garcia: We were deeply in debt to the record company 1250 01:05:41,926 --> 01:05:43,994 because of our huge studio costs. 1251 01:05:44,028 --> 01:05:47,397 We thought, "This time, let's go in and make a record the easy way. 1252 01:05:47,431 --> 01:05:50,434 "Let's have the material written and rehearsed 1253 01:05:50,467 --> 01:05:53,203 "and record it as quickly as we possibly can. 1254 01:05:53,237 --> 01:05:55,205 "And you know, 1255 01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:58,042 "let's go after a light touch, 1256 01:05:58,075 --> 01:06:01,478 "rather than complex psychedelic fantasies. 1257 01:06:01,511 --> 01:06:03,781 "You know, let's, let's try painting 1258 01:06:03,814 --> 01:06:05,716 a simple picture, you know." 1259 01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:10,420 ♪ Come on boys and gamble 1260 01:06:10,454 --> 01:06:15,425 ♪ Roll those laughing bones 1261 01:06:15,459 --> 01:06:19,764 ♪ Seven come eleven 1262 01:06:19,797 --> 01:06:28,205 ♪ Boys, I'll take your money home ♪ 1263 01:06:28,238 --> 01:06:30,274 ♪ Look out look out the Candyman ♪ 1264 01:06:30,307 --> 01:06:34,779 So, we actually went about it with that in mind. 1265 01:06:34,812 --> 01:06:37,447 With the idea of making it a simple record. 1266 01:06:37,481 --> 01:06:41,085 And, yeah, it worked out good. +Lt worked out good. 1267 01:06:41,118 --> 01:06:45,956 ♪ Pretty lady ain't got no friend ♪ 1268 01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:47,357 ♪ Till 1269 01:06:47,391 --> 01:06:53,230 ♪ Candyman comes around again 1270 01:07:11,949 --> 01:07:15,152 Smith: I remember I was in my office, 1271 01:07:15,185 --> 01:07:19,957 and somebody said, "The Grateful Dead are here." 1272 01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:21,325 And they came in, 1273 01:07:21,358 --> 01:07:24,028 and just flat expressions, 1274 01:07:24,061 --> 01:07:25,462 no thing like that. 1275 01:07:25,495 --> 01:07:27,031 I said, "What's up?" 1276 01:07:27,064 --> 01:07:28,508 He says, "You know, we finished the record." 1277 01:07:28,532 --> 01:07:30,467 I said, "Great, when are we going to hear it?" 1278 01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:33,303 He says, "Well, right now." Boom. "Casey Jones." 1279 01:07:33,337 --> 01:07:36,540 ♪ Ridin' that train high on cocaine ♪ 1280 01:07:36,573 --> 01:07:38,843 ♪ Driving that train 1281 01:07:38,876 --> 01:07:41,211 ♪ High on cocaine 1282 01:07:41,245 --> 01:07:43,914 ♪ Casey Jones you better 1283 01:07:43,948 --> 01:07:46,083 ♪ Watch your speed 1284 01:07:46,116 --> 01:07:49,486 It was a home run with two great singles, 1285 01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:51,989 and it was called Workingman's Dead. 1286 01:07:52,022 --> 01:07:53,457 Man: Workingman's Dead, 1287 01:07:53,490 --> 01:07:55,392 the newest from Jerry, Phil, Bob, Bill, 1288 01:07:55,425 --> 01:07:57,261 Mickey, and Pigpen. 1289 01:07:57,294 --> 01:07:59,396 Ready now on Warner Brothers' albums and tapes. 1290 01:07:59,429 --> 01:08:03,467 ♪ Come hear Uncle John's band 1291 01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:07,204 ♪ By the riverside 1292 01:08:07,237 --> 01:08:10,574 ♪ Got some things to talk about ♪ 1293 01:08:10,607 --> 01:08:15,045 ♪ Here beside the rising tide 1294 01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:18,849 ♪ Come hear Uncle John's band 1295 01:08:18,883 --> 01:08:21,618 ♪ Playing to the tide 1296 01:08:21,651 --> 01:08:23,553 Smith: They were writing melodies, 1297 01:08:23,587 --> 01:08:26,590 and it was songs that you could make sense out of. 1298 01:08:26,623 --> 01:08:29,526 And it was a great, great record. 1299 01:08:32,096 --> 01:08:35,565 I told them I wanted to send them out on a tour. 1300 01:08:35,599 --> 01:08:41,438 And I said, "We'll take big ads in trade papers." 1301 01:08:41,471 --> 01:08:43,607 And we even did a commercial. 1302 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,043 Man: Yes, friends, America's hardest working rock band 1303 01:08:46,076 --> 01:08:48,078 now presents Workingman's Dead, 1304 01:08:48,112 --> 01:08:51,015 an album of country-flavored tunes by the Grateful Dead, 1305 01:08:51,048 --> 01:08:55,285 an album different from anything they've ever done before. 1306 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:58,655 Ready now on Warner Brothers albums and tapes. 1307 01:08:58,688 --> 01:09:00,390 Steal it. 1308 01:09:00,424 --> 01:09:01,634 Cutler: When Warner Brothers got. 1309 01:09:01,658 --> 01:09:02,559 Workingman's Dead, 1310 01:09:02,592 --> 01:09:06,396 they were like, "Yeah." 1311 01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:09,199 They could see a way forward, 1312 01:09:09,233 --> 01:09:10,901 out of the fog. 1313 01:09:13,971 --> 01:09:16,040 Warner Brothers was so pleased with the album 1314 01:09:16,073 --> 01:09:17,607 they wanted them to go to Europe 1315 01:09:17,641 --> 01:09:19,176 and offered to pay for it. 1316 01:09:19,209 --> 01:09:21,645 So, we hurriedly put it together. 1317 01:09:24,148 --> 01:09:26,550 When we got off the airplane, 1318 01:09:26,583 --> 01:09:29,019 there were these filmmakers, 1319 01:09:29,053 --> 01:09:31,088 and they'd come to film the Grateful Dead. 1320 01:09:31,121 --> 01:09:33,423 How do you look upon the English festivals? 1321 01:09:33,457 --> 01:09:35,325 I haven't been to one yet. 1322 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,027 You've not heard about 'em at all? 1323 01:09:37,061 --> 01:09:38,662 Oh, a little bit, Hyde Park and so forth. 1324 01:09:38,695 --> 01:09:40,664 Cutler: Warner Brothers thought the idea 1325 01:09:40,697 --> 01:09:42,666 of making a film was important, you know? 1326 01:09:42,699 --> 01:09:44,634 Because at the time, nobody even knew who 1327 01:09:44,668 --> 01:09:46,636 the fuck the Grateful Dead were. 1328 01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:50,540 Prior to the sixties, 1329 01:09:50,574 --> 01:09:52,509 the idea of making a film 1330 01:09:52,542 --> 01:09:55,079 about a specific band, 1331 01:09:55,112 --> 01:09:58,315 or a show like a Woodstock didn't exist. 1332 01:09:58,348 --> 01:10:00,217 ♪ Wild thing 1333 01:10:00,250 --> 01:10:02,586 This was a new form. 1334 01:10:02,619 --> 01:10:05,622 ♪ You make my heart sing 1335 01:10:05,655 --> 01:10:07,958 And it was very successful. 1336 01:10:07,992 --> 01:10:11,361 Monterey Pop made Jimi Hendrix and made Janis. That film. 1337 01:10:11,395 --> 01:10:15,099 Because it brought them to a mass audience. 1338 01:10:15,132 --> 01:10:17,401 ♪ Wild thing 1339 01:10:17,434 --> 01:10:20,370 But the Grateful Dead were never really comfortable 1340 01:10:20,404 --> 01:10:22,006 with being in front of the camera. 1341 01:10:25,075 --> 01:10:26,576 For them, you know, 1342 01:10:26,610 --> 01:10:29,146 the meta-narrative of the Grateful Dead was that, 1343 01:10:29,179 --> 01:10:32,616 we're like you, we're freaks. 1344 01:10:32,649 --> 01:10:35,585 You know, we're not lookin' for a job. 1345 01:10:35,619 --> 01:10:38,155 We're not lookin' for a career. 1346 01:10:38,188 --> 01:10:40,190 We're not sure what we're fuckin' looking for. 1347 01:10:40,224 --> 01:10:43,693 In fact, we're not even sure if we're looking for anything. 1348 01:10:43,727 --> 01:10:46,530 In fact, we don't even know where we are. 1349 01:10:46,563 --> 01:10:48,065 Who are we? 1350 01:10:48,098 --> 01:10:50,600 We're the same as you. 1351 01:10:50,634 --> 01:10:52,069 You're the same as us. 1352 01:10:52,102 --> 01:10:54,271 There is no real distinction. 1353 01:10:56,073 --> 01:10:57,641 Six, take one. Tail slate. 1354 01:10:59,809 --> 01:11:03,013 Cutler: The camera validates that distinction. 1355 01:11:03,047 --> 01:11:04,748 Doesn't it? You know what I mean? 1356 01:11:04,781 --> 01:11:06,150 The camera's filming you, you know. 1357 01:11:06,183 --> 01:11:07,293 The camera's filming you, why? 1358 01:11:07,317 --> 01:11:08,752 Because you're more important 1359 01:11:08,785 --> 01:11:10,363 than anything else that it could film, you know. 1360 01:11:10,387 --> 01:11:13,690 And it's like this probing kind of eye. 1361 01:11:13,723 --> 01:11:15,692 Ha, you rat. 1362 01:11:15,725 --> 01:11:18,262 I mean, it took me 18 months to get the Grateful Dead 1363 01:11:18,295 --> 01:11:20,230 to agree to do a photograph. 1364 01:11:20,264 --> 01:11:22,799 Well, that is the gentleman who's taking a photograph. 1365 01:11:22,832 --> 01:11:25,235 There's the camera, here. 1366 01:11:29,639 --> 01:11:32,042 I kept saying to them, "Listen, we need a photograph. 1367 01:11:32,076 --> 01:11:34,411 "If we're going to do publicity for the Grateful Dead, 1368 01:11:34,444 --> 01:11:36,780 we need photographs of the Grateful Dead." 1369 01:11:36,813 --> 01:11:38,691 Garcia: Where's the fucking hotel at? Let's go to the hotel. 1370 01:11:38,715 --> 01:11:40,617 "No, we don't do photographs." 1371 01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:42,419 We're trying to do a group photo. 1372 01:11:42,452 --> 01:11:44,421 But, why don't you do photographs? 1373 01:11:44,454 --> 01:11:46,656 "Well, it's not important what we look like. 1374 01:11:46,690 --> 01:11:48,125 What's important is the music." 1375 01:11:49,826 --> 01:11:51,328 Hey! Fuck off! 1376 01:11:51,361 --> 01:11:53,530 Cutler: Trying to promote a band 1377 01:11:53,563 --> 01:11:55,832 that doesn't want to be filmed 1378 01:11:55,865 --> 01:11:59,203 or have their picture taken is very difficult. 1379 01:12:00,337 --> 01:12:03,573 Nice to see you today. 1380 01:12:03,607 --> 01:12:05,809 Cutler: And the people that were sent to film them 1381 01:12:05,842 --> 01:12:07,411 weren't the right people, were they? 1382 01:12:07,444 --> 01:12:09,779 Care for a beer? 1383 01:12:09,813 --> 01:12:11,781 Nobody had told them or warned them, 1384 01:12:11,815 --> 01:12:16,520 don't drink anything around the Grateful Dead. 1385 01:12:16,553 --> 01:12:18,155 Okay, cut. 1386 01:12:22,826 --> 01:12:25,795 Garcia: I remember that there was the Playboy After Hours show. 1387 01:12:25,829 --> 01:12:27,364 Cutler: In this time period, 1388 01:12:27,397 --> 01:12:30,100 the Grateful Dead were using LSD 1389 01:12:30,134 --> 01:12:31,601 not only to get high, 1390 01:12:31,635 --> 01:12:34,804 but also as a kind of defense mechanism. 1391 01:12:34,838 --> 01:12:37,574 I mean, giving people LSD when they didn't know that 1392 01:12:37,607 --> 01:12:40,544 that was what was gonna happen to 'em. 1393 01:12:40,577 --> 01:12:43,447 Garcia: The whole thing was just really weird, you know? 1394 01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:46,383 All the people who were at the party are extras, you know, 1395 01:12:46,416 --> 01:12:47,784 and they're from Central Casting. 1396 01:12:47,817 --> 01:12:49,419 You know, and they're sitting there 1397 01:12:49,453 --> 01:12:51,131 with glasses of ginger ale and all, you know. 1398 01:12:51,155 --> 01:12:52,398 It's laid out like an apartment, 1399 01:12:52,422 --> 01:12:53,890 but it's in a Hollywood sound stage. 1400 01:12:53,923 --> 01:12:55,525 And there's Hugh Hefner, you know, 1401 01:12:55,559 --> 01:12:57,227 and all these melons. 1402 01:12:57,261 --> 01:13:00,530 And, the union coffee pot there got dosed. 1403 01:13:00,564 --> 01:13:02,542 And the whole thing turned from an artificial party 1404 01:13:02,566 --> 01:13:03,633 into an authentic party. 1405 01:13:11,408 --> 01:13:16,146 I remember they had dosed the coffee with acid. 1406 01:13:16,180 --> 01:13:18,215 ♪ Wishing well with a golden bell ♪ 1407 01:13:18,248 --> 01:13:20,784 ♪ Bucket hanging clear to hell 1408 01:13:20,817 --> 01:13:23,453 Smith: That night, I went over to see them. 1409 01:13:23,487 --> 01:13:25,722 ♪ Stephen fill it up and lower ♪ 1410 01:13:25,755 --> 01:13:27,300 Smith: And they were on a break upstairs, 1411 01:13:27,324 --> 01:13:29,226 and I came up the stairs and there they were. 1412 01:13:29,259 --> 01:13:30,660 And Jerry gave me a hug. 1413 01:13:30,694 --> 01:13:32,162 "How ya doin'? What's goin' on? 1414 01:13:32,196 --> 01:13:33,797 I'll get you some coffee." 1415 01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:36,166 I said, "No, no, no, no." 1416 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:42,539 ♪ Speeding arrow, sharp and narrow ♪ 1417 01:13:42,572 --> 01:13:44,874 You see the situation we had. 1418 01:13:44,908 --> 01:13:47,911 I mean, their idea of it was all fun. 1419 01:13:47,944 --> 01:13:50,547 And that's what the Dead were. 1420 01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:53,183 - Lev: Fun. - Fun. 1421 01:13:59,823 --> 01:14:03,927 Weir: Holy Jesus. Wow. 1422 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,664 Cutler: The word on Garcia's lips for four years with me was, 1423 01:14:07,697 --> 01:14:09,566 "Is it gonna be fun?" 1424 01:14:09,599 --> 01:14:11,401 Weir: Okay, this is London. 1425 01:14:11,435 --> 01:14:13,313 Cutler: I mean, the Grateful Dead were about fun. 1426 01:14:13,337 --> 01:14:16,740 Weir: This has never been seen. I don't know why. 1427 01:14:16,773 --> 01:14:18,208 Roll camera. 1428 01:14:18,242 --> 01:14:19,809 - "A" camera. - "A" camera. 1429 01:14:19,843 --> 01:14:24,414 And then we'll be on our way to Philadelphia. 1430 01:14:24,448 --> 01:14:26,592 Cutler: I mean, you can sit there and, yeah, we're makin' a film. 1431 01:14:26,616 --> 01:14:30,320 But the film's you know, next week, next year, who knows what. 1432 01:14:30,354 --> 01:14:32,589 But this is now. 1433 01:14:32,622 --> 01:14:34,358 Nice to see you today. 1434 01:14:34,391 --> 01:14:35,901 Cutler: They said, so you wanna make a film? 1435 01:14:35,925 --> 01:14:37,861 Fine, you know, we'll go for that. 1436 01:14:37,894 --> 01:14:39,529 Care for a beer? 1437 01:14:39,563 --> 01:14:41,298 Meanwhile, let's see if you can handle this 1438 01:14:41,331 --> 01:14:43,233 while it's all goin' on, 'cause we can. 1439 01:14:43,267 --> 01:14:45,435 This is what we like to do. So good luck. 1440 01:14:45,469 --> 01:14:47,537 - Man: We need a director. - Okay, cut. 1441 01:14:47,571 --> 01:14:49,439 Man: Forty-nine. Take one. Head slate. 1442 01:14:49,473 --> 01:14:51,775 This is the Grateful Dead. 1443 01:14:51,808 --> 01:14:53,410 Cutler: So the film crew 1444 01:14:53,443 --> 01:14:55,279 slowly came under 1445 01:14:55,312 --> 01:14:56,980 the influence of psychedelics. 1446 01:14:57,013 --> 01:14:58,715 Announcer: The Grateful Dead. 1447 01:14:58,748 --> 01:15:01,885 Man: Did you get that? What's happened? 1448 01:15:07,324 --> 01:15:09,593 ♪ Driving that train 1449 01:15:09,626 --> 01:15:11,895 ♪ High on cocaine 1450 01:15:11,928 --> 01:15:14,764 ♪ Casey Jones you better 1451 01:15:14,798 --> 01:15:17,401 ♪ Watch your speed 1452 01:15:17,434 --> 01:15:19,903 ♪ Trouble ahead 1453 01:15:19,936 --> 01:15:22,506 ♪ Trouble behind 1454 01:15:22,539 --> 01:15:27,444 ♪ And you know that notion just crossed my mind ♪ 1455 01:15:28,912 --> 01:15:31,315 Cutler: They start off with a very formal idea 1456 01:15:31,348 --> 01:15:33,483 of what you do to film a band, 1457 01:15:33,517 --> 01:15:37,487 and slowly it got weirder and weirder. 1458 01:15:37,521 --> 01:15:41,024 It's not easy, you know, to take a trip and sit there going, 1459 01:15:41,057 --> 01:15:42,759 "Now, I'm making a film here, 1460 01:15:42,792 --> 01:15:46,296 and I must ensure that I get everything in focus." 1461 01:15:46,330 --> 01:15:48,298 All that tends to go out the window. 1462 01:15:48,332 --> 01:15:50,467 Man: Here's roll two. Sound, roll two. 1463 01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:55,372 They just succumbed. 1464 01:15:55,405 --> 01:15:58,508 They didn't have sufficient psychedelic experience 1465 01:15:58,542 --> 01:16:02,045 to overcome the effect of the acid 1466 01:16:02,078 --> 01:16:04,581 and, you know, make a film. 1467 01:16:04,614 --> 01:16:08,051 Garcia: The thing I'm talking about is being able to handle 1468 01:16:08,084 --> 01:16:11,087 the environment that you're operating in when you're high. 1469 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,090 Which is, like, a weird place to be, 1470 01:16:14,123 --> 01:16:15,892 and it takes a while to get into it. 1471 01:16:15,925 --> 01:16:17,394 Cutler: Jerry was of the opinion 1472 01:16:17,427 --> 01:16:19,663 that if people get high around your scene 1473 01:16:19,696 --> 01:16:21,731 then, you know, they need to be looked after. 1474 01:16:21,765 --> 01:16:23,976 Man: Jerry, we haven't got a director. We need a director. 1475 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,869 Garcia: I'll tell you what it is. 1476 01:16:25,902 --> 01:16:28,372 It's the fact that these trucks are on either side of us, 1477 01:16:28,405 --> 01:16:31,375 making it seem as though the horizon were quite high. 1478 01:16:31,408 --> 01:16:33,343 It's kind of like being in a valley. 1479 01:16:33,377 --> 01:16:36,580 And the human response to being in a valley is to think 1480 01:16:36,613 --> 01:16:38,615 of "we're cornered." 1481 01:16:38,648 --> 01:16:40,817 But we're not really. It's only an illusion 1482 01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:42,552 because of these trucks. 1483 01:16:42,586 --> 01:16:44,488 And if you step out to where you can get 1484 01:16:44,521 --> 01:16:46,466 a little bit of air around you so the horizon is kind of, 1485 01:16:46,490 --> 01:16:47,833 like, below the center of your vision, 1486 01:16:47,857 --> 01:16:49,659 you'll feel much better. 1487 01:16:49,693 --> 01:16:52,095 Yeah, yeah. 1488 01:16:52,128 --> 01:16:54,364 Cutler: He was directing these people 1489 01:16:54,398 --> 01:16:56,400 to how they could have a better time. 1490 01:16:56,433 --> 01:16:59,068 That's it, man. That's all I know. 1491 01:16:59,102 --> 01:17:03,473 Cutler: And I think that was the protective armor at work. 1492 01:17:03,507 --> 01:17:06,410 Garcia sabotaged the film, in essence. 1493 01:17:06,443 --> 01:17:08,645 Hey, you guys can... You also must remember 1494 01:17:08,678 --> 01:17:13,750 that at any moment you can put down your equipment and split. 1495 01:17:13,783 --> 01:17:17,020 Cutler: And, in the end, the crew started to film themselves 1496 01:17:17,053 --> 01:17:19,389 instead of the band. 1497 01:17:26,763 --> 01:17:28,932 One guy, I noticed him, 1498 01:17:28,965 --> 01:17:31,100 it was like he was shootin' a gun. 1499 01:17:31,134 --> 01:17:33,002 He kept on triggering the camera, 1500 01:17:33,036 --> 01:17:36,973 It was like little shots. Boom, boom, boom. 1501 01:17:37,006 --> 01:17:38,908 In fact, if you give acid to people 1502 01:17:38,942 --> 01:17:41,845 and you ask them to paint or do creative things, 1503 01:17:41,878 --> 01:17:45,982 they mostly produce absolute chaos. 1504 01:17:46,015 --> 01:17:47,684 Are you getting emotional again? 1505 01:17:49,819 --> 01:17:51,187 The synapses or whatever 1506 01:17:51,220 --> 01:17:55,124 are suddenly speeded up, massively so. 1507 01:17:55,158 --> 01:17:57,527 And so, all of the sudden you can see a connection between 1508 01:17:57,561 --> 01:17:59,138 what's immediately in front of your eyes, 1509 01:17:59,162 --> 01:18:01,030 and something else that wasn't apparent. 1510 01:18:02,732 --> 01:18:06,636 What was hitherto coherent becomes incoherent. 1511 01:18:06,670 --> 01:18:08,805 They know that they're trying to make a film, 1512 01:18:08,838 --> 01:18:12,008 but now, what's going on in their heads is, like, 1513 01:18:12,041 --> 01:18:15,712 super fast episodic shit, you know? 1514 01:18:15,745 --> 01:18:17,747 Like, it's this, it's that; it's this, it's that; 1515 01:18:17,781 --> 01:18:18,982 it's this, it's that. 1516 01:18:19,015 --> 01:18:21,017 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 1517 01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:23,553 boom, boom. 1518 01:18:23,587 --> 01:18:25,755 And then, it just disintegrates. 1519 01:18:32,195 --> 01:18:36,065 It's interesting, isn't it, to look back on it, you know? 1520 01:18:36,099 --> 01:18:38,602 How far out the Grateful Dead actually were 1521 01:18:38,635 --> 01:18:40,737 at that stage in their journey. 1522 01:18:43,673 --> 01:18:45,775 I mean, that was their sacred space. 1523 01:18:45,809 --> 01:18:48,778 Music for the Grateful Dead was a very sacred thing, 1524 01:18:48,812 --> 01:18:50,780 you know what I mean? 1525 01:18:50,814 --> 01:18:53,216 Not to be interfered with by me 1526 01:18:53,249 --> 01:18:55,919 or anybody else for that matter. 1527 01:18:57,754 --> 01:18:59,789 Garcia: Sure man, that's what playing is about. 1528 01:18:59,823 --> 01:19:01,701 That's what performing is about for us, you know? 1529 01:19:01,725 --> 01:19:04,027 See, music should be that sort of thing. 1530 01:19:04,060 --> 01:19:06,730 Music should be holy. It shouldn't be business. 1531 01:19:09,098 --> 01:19:11,735 And because music is business here, 1532 01:19:11,768 --> 01:19:13,703 it's awful, 1533 01:19:13,737 --> 01:19:15,238 'cause it's designed to make money, 1534 01:19:15,271 --> 01:19:17,641 not designed to do what music's supposed to do. 1535 01:19:20,544 --> 01:19:22,746 Cutler: So, in the end, the film never happened. 1536 01:19:26,816 --> 01:19:29,853 The remains get boxed up and forgotten about. 1537 01:19:32,756 --> 01:19:35,692 It's almost like a subliminal desire 1538 01:19:35,725 --> 01:19:37,627 not to be successful, 1539 01:19:37,661 --> 01:19:41,097 which actually redounded to their benefit and credit. 1540 01:19:43,633 --> 01:19:47,003 They worried that, you know, the more famous they were, 1541 01:19:47,036 --> 01:19:49,272 the less room for movement they would have. 1542 01:19:51,908 --> 01:19:53,242 And they were dead right. 1543 01:20:10,863 --> 01:20:12,865 Prankster: It's almost working. 1544 01:20:12,898 --> 01:20:15,167 I think that it is now working. 1545 01:20:19,138 --> 01:20:23,208 Prankster: Yay! We're back on the air again. 1546 01:20:23,242 --> 01:20:25,044 Woo-woo! 1547 01:20:27,913 --> 01:20:32,117 And, Gunther, your child is at the child care kiddie center. 1548 01:20:32,151 --> 01:20:34,053 Your child's name is Carl, Gunther, 1549 01:20:34,086 --> 01:20:35,554 if you've forgotten about him. 1550 01:20:37,923 --> 01:20:41,560 All little kiddies that are hurt and sick and lost, 1551 01:20:41,593 --> 01:20:44,830 over to the kiddie corral for their gathering. 1552 01:20:44,864 --> 01:20:47,900 Here he is now with the report on the... our water situation, 1553 01:20:47,933 --> 01:20:50,402 uh, which has become very dry in the area, 1554 01:20:50,435 --> 01:20:53,472 with probably another three hours to go with the intensity. 1555 01:20:53,505 --> 01:20:56,075 So there's gonna be, uh, according to his report, 1556 01:20:56,108 --> 01:20:57,309 as they get it going, 1557 01:20:57,342 --> 01:20:59,111 a fire truck will move slowly along there, 1558 01:20:59,144 --> 01:21:00,846 and spray out from its nozzle. 1559 01:21:13,092 --> 01:21:14,860 So here you go, the Grateful Dead. 1560 01:21:31,944 --> 01:21:35,514 Dennis McNally: Jerry regarded every day 1561 01:21:35,547 --> 01:21:38,317 that he didn't have to go out and find a job 1562 01:21:38,350 --> 01:21:40,285 as a miracle. 1563 01:21:42,187 --> 01:21:46,458 And as they looked up in the early '70s, 1564 01:21:46,491 --> 01:21:50,329 the Grateful Dead were kind of mildly amazed 1565 01:21:50,362 --> 01:21:52,397 that they had an audience. 1566 01:21:52,431 --> 01:21:55,134 That it had grown. 1567 01:21:55,167 --> 01:22:00,239 And they found that if they just kept touring, 1568 01:22:00,272 --> 01:22:02,007 they could make a living. 1569 01:22:02,041 --> 01:22:05,277 It wasn't a fancy living, it was just a living. 1570 01:22:07,179 --> 01:22:09,982 ♪ All I know is something 1571 01:22:10,015 --> 01:22:14,119 ♪ Like a bird within her sang ♪ 1572 01:22:20,325 --> 01:22:22,928 ♪ All I know she sang 1573 01:22:22,962 --> 01:22:26,966 ♪ A little while and then flew on ♪ 1574 01:22:33,105 --> 01:22:36,575 ♪ Tell me all that you know ♪ 1575 01:22:36,608 --> 01:22:39,511 ♪ I'll show you 1576 01:22:39,544 --> 01:22:42,381 ♪ Snow and rain 1577 01:22:44,616 --> 01:22:45,693 Phil Lesh: I think that one of the best things 1578 01:22:45,717 --> 01:22:48,153 the Grateful Dead ever did 1579 01:22:48,187 --> 01:22:54,126 was deciding in essence that we weren't gonna become recording artists. 1580 01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:58,230 You know, that we weren't gonna be pop stars. 1581 01:22:58,263 --> 01:23:02,467 I really don't believe any of us ever gave a shit about that. 1582 01:23:02,501 --> 01:23:04,603 We were a working band and we were gonna... 1583 01:23:04,636 --> 01:23:07,506 We're gonna... we're gonna go out and bring this to people, 1584 01:23:07,539 --> 01:23:10,976 bring this music to people, and bring 'em together. 1585 01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:13,712 I think that, uh... That kind of freed us up 1586 01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,582 to not be afraid to make a mistake. 1587 01:23:25,390 --> 01:23:28,293 Jerry Garcia: We make an effort to... to play honestly, 1588 01:23:28,327 --> 01:23:31,163 rather than put on a... Some sort of packaged, uh, 1589 01:23:31,196 --> 01:23:33,532 pre-arranged, pre-determined show. 1590 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,436 We don't bring a set list on stage. 1591 01:23:37,469 --> 01:23:39,638 We don't plan things. 1592 01:23:39,671 --> 01:23:41,040 We want it to be more dynamic. 1593 01:23:41,073 --> 01:23:42,083 We want it to be more exciting. 1594 01:23:42,107 --> 01:23:43,408 We want it to be unexpected. 1595 01:23:43,442 --> 01:23:45,577 We want there to be surprises there. 1596 01:23:45,610 --> 01:23:48,580 We want the people to feel they're participating in it, you know? 1597 01:23:48,613 --> 01:23:52,351 And it... If you approach music from that point of view, 1598 01:23:52,384 --> 01:23:55,054 it becomes a very rich experience. 1599 01:24:03,828 --> 01:24:05,764 Dennis McNally: Committing to improvisation... 1600 01:24:05,797 --> 01:24:09,168 Wholly committing to improvisation... 1601 01:24:09,201 --> 01:24:11,770 Implies taking risks. 1602 01:24:14,573 --> 01:24:18,777 It's a philosophy of leaving yourself open to possibility, 1603 01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:20,745 and leaving yourself open to magic. 1604 01:24:28,153 --> 01:24:29,821 Donna Jean Godchaux: My husband and I, 1605 01:24:29,854 --> 01:24:33,725 we had been seeing the Grateful Dead whenever we could. 1606 01:24:33,758 --> 01:24:36,461 Total fans. 1607 01:24:36,495 --> 01:24:42,234 I was a singer and Keith was a trained classical pianist. 1608 01:24:44,269 --> 01:24:46,371 I came home one day and said, 1609 01:24:46,405 --> 01:24:49,674 "Let's listen to the Grateful Dead." 1610 01:24:49,708 --> 01:24:51,243 And Keith said, 1611 01:24:51,276 --> 01:24:54,546 "I don't wanna listen to it anymore. 1612 01:24:54,579 --> 01:24:56,848 "I want to play it." 1613 01:24:56,881 --> 01:24:59,251 He had never played rock and roll before. 1614 01:25:01,486 --> 01:25:03,288 And I said, 1615 01:25:03,322 --> 01:25:06,791 "Okay, well, let's go get in the band." 1616 01:25:10,462 --> 01:25:11,830 I mean, it was as simple as that. 1617 01:25:11,863 --> 01:25:13,798 That sounds so... 1618 01:25:13,832 --> 01:25:15,310 I don't know what it sounds like to you, 1619 01:25:15,334 --> 01:25:19,438 but at that time it was just normal. 1620 01:25:19,471 --> 01:25:21,773 And that's why I had the audacity 1621 01:25:21,806 --> 01:25:24,543 to come up to Garcia after a show and say, 1622 01:25:24,576 --> 01:25:26,411 "Keith is your next keyboard player." 1623 01:25:27,746 --> 01:25:29,281 ♪ Some folks trust to reason ♪ 1624 01:25:29,314 --> 01:25:30,549 ♪ Others trust to might 1625 01:25:30,582 --> 01:25:31,759 Donna Jean Godchaux: Just like that. 1626 01:25:31,783 --> 01:25:33,318 ♪ I don't trust to nothing 1627 01:25:33,352 --> 01:25:34,729 Donna Jean Godchaux: Keith was in the band. 1628 01:25:34,753 --> 01:25:35,896 ♪ But I know... Let's do it again. 1629 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,856 One more time. 1630 01:25:37,889 --> 01:25:39,334 Jerry Garcia: Donna. Where's Donna? Where's Donna? 1631 01:25:39,358 --> 01:25:41,193 - Come here. - We're gonna do... 1632 01:25:41,226 --> 01:25:43,195 We're gonna do "Playin' in The Band" again. 1633 01:25:43,228 --> 01:25:45,140 Donna Jean Godchaux: And then I started rehearsing with them, 1634 01:25:45,164 --> 01:25:48,333 and it was just like unreal. 1635 01:25:48,367 --> 01:25:50,302 I was getting to be a part of it. 1636 01:25:56,341 --> 01:26:00,645 I mean, I would go anywhere to see these guys, 1637 01:26:00,679 --> 01:26:03,748 and yet, I am singing with this band. 1638 01:26:03,782 --> 01:26:09,754 ♪ Oh-oh, yeah 1639 01:26:14,293 --> 01:26:16,628 ♪ Playin' 1640 01:26:16,661 --> 01:26:19,398 ♪ Playin' in the band 1641 01:26:19,431 --> 01:26:21,300 ♪ Daybreak 1642 01:26:21,333 --> 01:26:24,269 ♪ Daybreak on the land 1643 01:26:24,303 --> 01:26:26,338 ♪ Playin' 1644 01:26:26,371 --> 01:26:28,273 ♪ Playin' in the band 1645 01:26:28,307 --> 01:26:29,908 ♪ Daybreak 1646 01:26:29,941 --> 01:26:33,678 Donna Jean Godchaux: You know, to this day, I marvel 1647 01:26:33,712 --> 01:26:37,349 that it can be that inclusive. 1648 01:26:38,483 --> 01:26:40,519 ♪ Daybreak 1649 01:26:40,552 --> 01:26:42,754 ♪ Wanna play in the band 1650 01:26:44,856 --> 01:26:47,526 Donna Jean Godchaux: We're all playing in the band, 1651 01:26:47,559 --> 01:26:49,628 all of us. 1652 01:26:49,661 --> 01:26:51,830 If you were in the audience, 1653 01:26:51,863 --> 01:26:56,501 you were included in the experience. 1654 01:26:56,535 --> 01:26:58,537 You know, I'm a fan, 1655 01:26:58,570 --> 01:27:02,541 and now, I have the best seat in the house. 1656 01:27:03,975 --> 01:27:07,346 It was a magical thing, that's all I can say. 1657 01:27:09,348 --> 01:27:11,416 Steve Parish: Being a fan of the band, 1658 01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:15,554 which I was originally before I even started working for 'em, 1659 01:27:15,587 --> 01:27:19,758 I represent a guy who crossed over the barrier 1660 01:27:19,791 --> 01:27:24,329 into that world, into the heart of it. 1661 01:27:25,730 --> 01:27:27,932 There was no other band like the Grateful Dead, 1662 01:27:27,966 --> 01:27:32,337 and there was no other crew like the Grateful Dead's equipment crew. 1663 01:27:33,638 --> 01:27:35,540 We all slept with the same women. 1664 01:27:35,574 --> 01:27:38,610 We all got messed up together. 1665 01:27:38,643 --> 01:27:41,713 We knew everything about each other. 1666 01:27:41,746 --> 01:27:44,849 It was not a normal relationship 1667 01:27:44,883 --> 01:27:46,751 between a band and a crew. 1668 01:27:46,785 --> 01:27:50,822 You ever watch the movie "Air Force"? 1669 01:27:50,855 --> 01:27:53,592 You know, World War II, 1670 01:27:53,625 --> 01:27:56,361 and they would always show these bombers, 1671 01:27:56,395 --> 01:27:57,796 and the guys would be in the bomber, 1672 01:27:57,829 --> 01:27:59,331 and there was a guy from Brooklyn, 1673 01:27:59,364 --> 01:28:00,865 and there was a guy from Montana, 1674 01:28:00,899 --> 01:28:04,469 and there was a guy from Chicago. 1675 01:28:04,503 --> 01:28:05,770 That's how it was, kind of. 1676 01:28:08,006 --> 01:28:10,809 They were really what you would call the wild bunch, 1677 01:28:10,842 --> 01:28:13,312 they were older than me. 1678 01:28:13,345 --> 01:28:15,480 Sparky, Kidd, 1679 01:28:15,514 --> 01:28:19,784 there was Jackson and Ramrod, and Johnny Hagen. 1680 01:28:19,818 --> 01:28:22,721 These guys were real cowboys. 1681 01:28:24,723 --> 01:28:27,492 Jackson was quick with his fists. 1682 01:28:27,526 --> 01:28:32,464 He had this sense about him where he would knock a cop out. 1683 01:28:32,497 --> 01:28:36,735 And Ramrod, he never read a book in his life. 1684 01:28:36,768 --> 01:28:39,971 He told me he read two pages of "Tom Sawyer." 1685 01:28:40,004 --> 01:28:43,642 I would literally read to him, you know, and he liked that. 1686 01:28:46,511 --> 01:28:50,849 When Jackson and Ramrod told me how they had met in reform school, 1687 01:28:50,882 --> 01:28:52,551 I realized that I had 1688 01:28:52,584 --> 01:28:55,320 a common brotherhood of wildness with these guys. 1689 01:28:55,354 --> 01:28:58,823 They were the country version of the city boy that I was. 1690 01:29:15,006 --> 01:29:18,109 Steve Parish: We began to embrace this lifestyle 1691 01:29:18,142 --> 01:29:20,845 of all for one and one for all. 1692 01:29:23,682 --> 01:29:27,852 We always had that feeling in the Grateful Dead, 1693 01:29:27,886 --> 01:29:31,590 mostly emanating out of Jerry, and all of the guys, 1694 01:29:31,623 --> 01:29:34,493 that we were intricately a part of it, 1695 01:29:34,526 --> 01:29:38,730 helping them get down the road and to create the music. 1696 01:29:38,763 --> 01:29:42,567 ♪ I can't stay much longer, Melinda ♪ 1697 01:29:42,601 --> 01:29:46,738 ♪ The sun is getting high 1698 01:29:46,771 --> 01:29:50,542 ♪ I can't help you with your trouble ♪ 1699 01:29:50,575 --> 01:29:55,380 ♪ If you won't help with mine ♪ 1700 01:29:55,414 --> 01:29:57,449 ♪ I gotta get down 1701 01:29:57,482 --> 01:29:59,050 ♪ I gotta get down 1702 01:29:59,083 --> 01:30:01,420 ♪ I gotta get down to 1703 01:30:01,453 --> 01:30:04,956 ♪ To the mine 1704 01:30:06,825 --> 01:30:08,102 Sam Cutler: The Grateful Dead's equipment crew 1705 01:30:08,126 --> 01:30:11,630 were famously, um... belligerent. 1706 01:30:13,565 --> 01:30:16,768 But, I mean... 1707 01:30:16,801 --> 01:30:19,704 we always got on well. 1708 01:30:19,738 --> 01:30:21,973 I didn't stand any bullshit. 1709 01:30:22,006 --> 01:30:25,109 Nobody stood any bullshit from anyone. 1710 01:30:25,143 --> 01:30:26,711 They were expected to, you know, 1711 01:30:26,745 --> 01:30:29,047 work like dogs and they did. 1712 01:30:38,823 --> 01:30:42,427 Steve Parish: To have this opportunity to work with this band, 1713 01:30:42,461 --> 01:30:44,563 to do this thing, 1714 01:30:44,596 --> 01:30:47,666 you realize that you were caught up in something 1715 01:30:47,699 --> 01:30:48,967 that was bigger than you. 1716 01:30:50,702 --> 01:30:52,112 When I was a kid, my father would say, 1717 01:30:52,136 --> 01:30:53,805 "Do I gotta hit you over the head 1718 01:30:53,838 --> 01:30:55,474 "with a bag of pennies every day 1719 01:30:55,507 --> 01:30:57,442 "to knock some sense into your head?" 1720 01:30:57,476 --> 01:30:59,544 I knew what he meant. 1721 01:30:59,578 --> 01:31:01,846 Because if you don't take that opportunity... 1722 01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,615 If you don't take it and use it... 1723 01:31:03,648 --> 01:31:06,184 You're wasting something. 1724 01:31:06,217 --> 01:31:09,721 What does the skull with the lightening bolt represent? 1725 01:31:09,754 --> 01:31:13,892 It meant, bang, man, you got enlightenment. 1726 01:31:13,925 --> 01:31:17,128 And you're gonna use it to change the world. 1727 01:31:21,733 --> 01:31:23,001 We were exploring Europe. 1728 01:31:26,037 --> 01:31:28,840 We were going to all these amazing places 1729 01:31:28,873 --> 01:31:32,877 in the history of my life I couldn't believe. 1730 01:31:32,911 --> 01:31:36,180 And for me, as a kid coming from New York City, 1731 01:31:36,214 --> 01:31:38,216 this was incredible. 1732 01:31:38,249 --> 01:31:42,821 ♪ Gone are the days when the ox fall down ♪ 1733 01:31:42,854 --> 01:31:47,225 ♪ Take up the yoke and plow the fields around ♪ 1734 01:31:47,258 --> 01:31:51,863 ♪ Gone are the days when the ladies said please ♪ 1735 01:31:51,896 --> 01:31:55,767 ♪ Gentle Jack Jones won't you come to me ♪ 1736 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,870 Steve Parish: We were taking LSD every day. 1737 01:31:58,903 --> 01:32:02,674 And the LSD that Ramrod... God rest his soul... 1738 01:32:02,707 --> 01:32:05,076 Had mixed up, we only took one bottle 1739 01:32:05,109 --> 01:32:08,980 because we had to go through customs constantly. 1740 01:32:09,013 --> 01:32:11,550 That one bottle, he had made a mistake of, 1741 01:32:11,583 --> 01:32:15,920 and he didn't realize that it was ten times stronger than what we took at home. 1742 01:32:15,954 --> 01:32:21,693 And so it made for really an intense, intense psychedelic trip. 1743 01:32:21,726 --> 01:32:25,830 ♪ Brown-eyed women and red grenadine ♪ 1744 01:32:25,864 --> 01:32:30,602 ♪ The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean ♪ 1745 01:32:30,635 --> 01:32:34,906 ♪ Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down ♪ 1746 01:32:34,939 --> 01:32:39,911 ♪ And it looks like the old man's gettin' on ♪ 1747 01:32:39,944 --> 01:32:43,682 Magical stuff was constantly happening in '72. 1748 01:32:43,715 --> 01:32:45,617 Stuff that I... to this day... 1749 01:32:45,650 --> 01:32:48,152 I almost can't explain. 1750 01:32:48,186 --> 01:32:50,221 And they were pushing us into the light, 1751 01:32:50,254 --> 01:32:51,690 and the light was bright. 1752 01:32:57,095 --> 01:33:00,899 ♪ Well my mama told me, my papa told me too ♪ 1753 01:33:02,967 --> 01:33:06,938 ♪ Now my mama told me, papa told me too ♪ 1754 01:33:08,707 --> 01:33:10,174 ♪ Well I shouldn't be here 1755 01:33:10,208 --> 01:33:14,278 ♪ Tryin' to sing these railroad blues ♪ 1756 01:33:14,312 --> 01:33:15,780 Steve Parish: We spent all that time 1757 01:33:15,814 --> 01:33:17,816 on the buses together, laughing. 1758 01:33:17,849 --> 01:33:19,818 We brought our girlfriends, we brought kids, 1759 01:33:19,851 --> 01:33:21,753 we brought 50 people with us. 1760 01:33:26,057 --> 01:33:29,327 Before you came, I was all alone. 1761 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,696 It is bad to be alone. 1762 01:33:31,730 --> 01:33:35,900 Alone, bad. 1763 01:33:35,934 --> 01:33:37,969 Friend, good. 1764 01:33:38,002 --> 01:33:40,972 Man: We are friends, you and I. 1765 01:33:41,005 --> 01:33:42,373 Monster: Good. 1766 01:33:42,406 --> 01:33:44,342 - Friends. - Friends. 1767 01:33:47,211 --> 01:33:49,648 Joe Smith: They traveled in the phalanx. 1768 01:33:49,681 --> 01:33:53,284 Like a baby's soccer game, you know, the swarm. 1769 01:33:53,317 --> 01:33:58,222 Friends, wives, women nursing babies. 1770 01:33:58,256 --> 01:34:02,126 And it was how to get by on $50,000 a day in Europe. 1771 01:34:38,196 --> 01:34:42,667 Joe Smith: They'd have a truck there recording an album. 1772 01:34:42,701 --> 01:34:45,369 I said it's got to be a double album. 1773 01:34:45,403 --> 01:34:47,338 I got to get a shot to get back the money 1774 01:34:47,371 --> 01:34:49,908 you're spending on all this. 1775 01:34:49,941 --> 01:34:53,044 Dennis "Wiz" Leonard: One of the names that was considered for the album 1776 01:34:53,077 --> 01:34:56,080 was Back Home Broke... 1777 01:34:56,114 --> 01:34:58,116 'Cause it was true, you know, they had blown it. 1778 01:34:59,984 --> 01:35:01,419 Sam Cutler: Dennis Leonard, 1779 01:35:01,452 --> 01:35:04,455 Dennis "Wizard" Leonard, was a Deadhead 1780 01:35:04,488 --> 01:35:08,993 before joining the Grateful Dead on the Europe '72 tour, 1781 01:35:09,027 --> 01:35:12,330 and he was responsible for the recording of all the shows. 1782 01:35:12,363 --> 01:35:14,866 We recorded everything. 1783 01:35:14,899 --> 01:35:16,110 Because somehow or other, you know, 1784 01:35:16,134 --> 01:35:17,414 I mean, the bills had to be paid. 1785 01:35:20,138 --> 01:35:24,042 And so the Grateful Dead owed Warner Brothers a record. 1786 01:35:31,349 --> 01:35:34,152 Dennis "Wiz" Leonard: I sat in front of the multi-track. 1787 01:35:34,185 --> 01:35:38,189 MM 1000 Ampex machine. Gorgeous machine. 1788 01:35:38,222 --> 01:35:41,359 And, my world was this little truck 1789 01:35:41,392 --> 01:35:44,963 where I basically rode levels, watched the meters, 1790 01:35:44,996 --> 01:35:49,333 and essentially evaluated what they were doing. 1791 01:35:49,367 --> 01:35:53,504 If you look at the tape boxes, that's where I put my notes. 1792 01:35:53,537 --> 01:35:55,974 We had the star system. You know, like, 1793 01:35:56,007 --> 01:35:58,142 a star meant it was pretty good. 1794 01:35:58,176 --> 01:35:59,844 Two stars meant it was really good. 1795 01:35:59,878 --> 01:36:03,281 Three stars meant we thought it was stellar. 1796 01:36:03,314 --> 01:36:06,484 ♪ Sugar Magnolia, blossom's blooming ♪ 1797 01:36:06,517 --> 01:36:09,821 ♪ Head's all empty and I don't care ♪ 1798 01:36:09,854 --> 01:36:13,324 ♪ Saw my baby down by the river ♪ 1799 01:36:13,357 --> 01:36:17,128 ♪ Knew she'd have to come up soon for air ♪ 1800 01:36:17,161 --> 01:36:22,000 Dennis "Wiz" Leonard: So, it's the last night on the tour. 1801 01:36:22,033 --> 01:36:26,137 I'm stuck in the truck. Everybody was high as fuck. 1802 01:36:26,170 --> 01:36:28,139 No one else could be found. 1803 01:36:28,172 --> 01:36:32,176 And, you know, there was a problem with a microphone that, uh, 1804 01:36:32,210 --> 01:36:35,246 I talked to Parish about, and you know, 1805 01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:38,216 it just was, like, drooping on the stand, and I said, 1806 01:36:38,249 --> 01:36:41,953 "Can you put a coin in the screw slot and tighten it?" 1807 01:36:41,986 --> 01:36:44,455 And, you know, Steve was a piece of work back then. 1808 01:36:44,488 --> 01:36:48,359 He said, "Fuck you. Come out and fucking do it yourself." 1809 01:36:48,392 --> 01:36:51,462 Oh, jeez, so, you know, I look over at the tape machine, 1810 01:36:51,495 --> 01:36:54,498 and I had just put an hour and a half load of tape on the machine, 1811 01:36:54,532 --> 01:36:58,402 and... okay, I'm gonna lock the truck, 1812 01:36:58,436 --> 01:37:00,138 and I'm going inside, 1813 01:37:00,171 --> 01:37:02,440 and no one's gonna be in the truck. 1814 01:37:02,473 --> 01:37:04,442 Didn't feel great about that. 1815 01:37:04,475 --> 01:37:09,047 Got in, coin, tightened up the microphone, 1816 01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:13,217 and as I was walking back to the center of the stage, 1817 01:37:13,251 --> 01:37:15,053 the steps to go down, 1818 01:37:15,086 --> 01:37:19,557 the band dropped into "Morning Dew." 1819 01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:24,528 I said, "You know what? Fuck this. 1820 01:37:24,562 --> 01:37:26,197 "This is where I am." 1821 01:37:26,230 --> 01:37:28,199 And, you know, I made the decision there 1822 01:37:28,232 --> 01:37:30,401 that I had to be right there. 1823 01:37:33,171 --> 01:37:36,240 Sparky came over to me and said, "Are you okay?" 1824 01:37:36,274 --> 01:37:38,442 I said, "I'm okay." 1825 01:37:38,476 --> 01:37:41,579 Garcia just looked at me and shook his head, like, you know... 1826 01:37:41,612 --> 01:37:44,415 And in that instant, I knew that I was busted 1827 01:37:44,448 --> 01:37:46,584 because no one was in the truck. 1828 01:37:48,152 --> 01:37:51,890 The raised eyebrow over the eyeglasses, 1829 01:37:51,923 --> 01:37:53,557 it was saying, "I know who you are, 1830 01:37:53,591 --> 01:37:55,960 "I know what you're doing, and it's okay." 1831 01:37:58,062 --> 01:38:00,564 ♪ Walk me out 1832 01:38:00,598 --> 01:38:07,571 ♪ In the morning dew, my honey ♪ 1833 01:38:07,605 --> 01:38:10,141 Dennis "Wiz" Leonard: Because no matter what, 1834 01:38:10,174 --> 01:38:14,612 they really wanted everybody to be there with them. 1835 01:38:14,645 --> 01:38:16,981 Their relationship with the music 1836 01:38:17,015 --> 01:38:20,885 was so dependent on the audience's relationship with the music. 1837 01:38:20,919 --> 01:38:23,121 That was the fuel that made it all work. 1838 01:38:26,190 --> 01:38:31,395 And recording even was a backburner to the music. 1839 01:38:31,429 --> 01:38:34,098 ♪ Can't walk you out 1840 01:38:34,132 --> 01:38:39,337 ♪ In the morning dew, my honey ♪ 1841 01:38:39,370 --> 01:38:41,672 Dennis "Wiz" Leonard: "Morning Dew" is an old folk tune. 1842 01:38:41,705 --> 01:38:45,309 It's a post-apocalyptic commentary on a world 1843 01:38:45,343 --> 01:38:48,146 once people have all died off. 1844 01:38:48,179 --> 01:38:49,580 ♪ I can't walk you out 1845 01:38:49,613 --> 01:38:53,584 "I can't walk you out in the morning dew." 1846 01:38:53,617 --> 01:38:55,553 "It doesn't matter anyway." 1847 01:39:00,091 --> 01:39:02,927 Sitting right behind Garcia, 1848 01:39:02,961 --> 01:39:06,064 he did a good part of his solo in that tune 1849 01:39:06,097 --> 01:39:07,465 with his back to the audience 1850 01:39:07,498 --> 01:39:09,633 with tears streaming down his face, 1851 01:39:09,667 --> 01:39:12,336 'cause he was right there. 1852 01:39:14,305 --> 01:39:19,243 He was playing for all of us, for all of humankind. 1853 01:39:48,472 --> 01:39:52,143 You know, he was like the storyteller. 1854 01:39:52,176 --> 01:39:54,078 The minister. 1855 01:39:54,112 --> 01:39:56,981 You know, I don't know what kind of label you want to put on him. 1856 01:40:21,672 --> 01:40:26,777 And, uh, finished the tune, I went back in the truck, 1857 01:40:26,810 --> 01:40:30,781 slowly opened the door and everything was just fine. 1858 01:40:37,355 --> 01:40:40,358 I finished the tour and went back to the states, 1859 01:40:40,391 --> 01:40:44,528 and my favorite image of Jerry Garcia was 1860 01:40:44,562 --> 01:40:46,597 bouncing out of the control room, 1861 01:40:46,630 --> 01:40:49,733 where he was mixing "Europe '72." 1862 01:40:49,767 --> 01:40:51,335 He looked at me and he said, 1863 01:40:51,369 --> 01:40:53,671 "Wiz, 'Morning Dew' from the Lyceum 1864 01:40:53,704 --> 01:40:56,374 "is 100 percent on the album." 1865 01:40:56,407 --> 01:40:57,551 And he looked at me, he said, 1866 01:40:57,575 --> 01:41:00,144 "And no one was in the truck." 1867 01:41:00,178 --> 01:41:02,613 And, you know, that was what the band was all about was, 1868 01:41:02,646 --> 01:41:06,450 you know, the... The tarot card, The Fool, 1869 01:41:06,484 --> 01:41:11,021 just blindly taking the trip off the cliff. 1870 01:41:12,523 --> 01:41:19,430 ♪ I guess it doesn't really matter ♪ 1871 01:41:19,463 --> 01:41:22,633 ♪ Anyway 1872 01:41:38,249 --> 01:41:41,652 You know... 1873 01:41:41,685 --> 01:41:44,088 that which was the Grateful Dead 1874 01:41:44,122 --> 01:41:47,791 is the elephant with the 500 blind men and women in it. 1875 01:41:47,825 --> 01:41:50,161 I mean... 1876 01:41:50,194 --> 01:41:54,098 everybody's got a different understanding of what that thing was. 1877 01:41:54,132 --> 01:41:56,400 And... 1878 01:41:56,434 --> 01:42:00,438 I'm vain enough to think that mine might be better than some people's 1879 01:42:00,471 --> 01:42:02,873 since I did have this unique position 1880 01:42:02,906 --> 01:42:05,443 of being both inside and outside. 1881 01:42:08,512 --> 01:42:12,483 I just think that there's a lot of bullshit around the Grateful Dead. 1882 01:42:14,552 --> 01:42:17,821 We managed to create just about the most dysfunctional family 1883 01:42:17,855 --> 01:42:21,091 that's ever been created on this planet. 1884 01:42:25,529 --> 01:42:28,466 I remember just, like, the very beginning, 1885 01:42:28,499 --> 01:42:30,601 my first interactions with them. 1886 01:42:33,271 --> 01:42:34,672 I'd been hanging around 1887 01:42:34,705 --> 01:42:36,507 'cause Weir was my official best friend, 1888 01:42:36,540 --> 01:42:40,244 and we'd just started writing songs together. 1889 01:42:41,579 --> 01:42:44,782 And looking around I thought, 1890 01:42:44,815 --> 01:42:47,185 goddamn, these guys are like 1891 01:42:47,218 --> 01:42:50,254 a real swaggery, you know, macho lot. 1892 01:42:54,425 --> 01:42:57,328 The... The idea of somebody from... 1893 01:42:57,361 --> 01:43:01,932 From inside that scene crying, 1894 01:43:01,965 --> 01:43:03,667 just... you didn't do that. 1895 01:43:07,271 --> 01:43:10,574 Well, fuck, sometimes it's a good idea to cry. 1896 01:43:10,608 --> 01:43:12,776 And we've got a lot to cry about, frankly. 1897 01:43:15,579 --> 01:43:19,650 And, you know, it hasn't... it hasn't been properly wept over. 1898 01:43:19,683 --> 01:43:20,683 Very little of it. 1899 01:43:27,791 --> 01:43:32,230 Pigpen. Alas, I knew him well. 1900 01:43:35,333 --> 01:43:37,435 Oh, Pig. 1901 01:43:37,468 --> 01:43:39,737 Why the hell would people put guitar picks down 1902 01:43:39,770 --> 01:43:43,741 on the grave of the keyboard player? 1903 01:43:44,608 --> 01:43:45,743 Answer me that. 1904 01:43:54,718 --> 01:43:55,953 He was such a sweet man. 1905 01:43:58,522 --> 01:44:00,291 ♪ Turn on your light 1906 01:44:00,324 --> 01:44:01,592 ♪ Let it shine on me 1907 01:44:01,625 --> 01:44:03,265 John Perry Barlow: Pigpen was kind of like 1908 01:44:03,294 --> 01:44:06,464 the persona of the Grateful Dead. 1909 01:44:06,497 --> 01:44:09,767 ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it... ♪ 1910 01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:11,602 ♪ All right 1911 01:44:11,635 --> 01:44:14,938 Mickey Hart: Pigpen would come out and he'd get people up. 1912 01:44:14,972 --> 01:44:16,974 We couldn't do that. 1913 01:44:17,007 --> 01:44:20,010 I mean, Jerry couldn't do it. Bob couldn't do it. 1914 01:44:20,043 --> 01:44:23,514 Phil certainly couldn't. You know? 1915 01:44:24,415 --> 01:44:25,949 But Pigpen could. 1916 01:44:25,983 --> 01:44:27,685 ♪ I'll tell you one of the reasons why... ♪ 1917 01:44:27,718 --> 01:44:30,421 As soon as Pig got up, everybody got up and danced. 1918 01:44:30,454 --> 01:44:31,789 He had that thing about him. 1919 01:44:31,822 --> 01:44:33,691 ♪ Kind of thing that makes me feel so good ♪ 1920 01:44:33,724 --> 01:44:36,260 When he sang, you had fun. 1921 01:44:36,294 --> 01:44:38,329 ♪ And the reason 1922 01:44:38,362 --> 01:44:40,364 ♪ And the reason 1923 01:44:40,398 --> 01:44:42,366 ♪ And the reason 1924 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:43,801 ♪ All right 1925 01:44:43,834 --> 01:44:46,770 ♪ And she's got box-back titties ♪ 1926 01:44:46,804 --> 01:44:48,806 ♪ And great big noble thighs ♪ 1927 01:44:48,839 --> 01:44:52,343 ♪ Working undercover with a boar hog's eye ♪ 1928 01:44:52,376 --> 01:44:54,412 ♪ And the people got up 1929 01:44:54,445 --> 01:44:56,447 ♪ And the people slowed 1930 01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,582 ♪ I got the people up 1931 01:44:58,616 --> 01:45:03,921 ♪ Ahhhhhhhh 1932 01:45:03,954 --> 01:45:06,490 Mickey Hart: Pigpen was a blues guy. 1933 01:45:06,524 --> 01:45:10,761 And the Grateful Dead started as a blues band. 1934 01:45:10,794 --> 01:45:12,330 That's not where it wound up. 1935 01:45:15,599 --> 01:45:19,370 When the shuffle turned into a triplet, 1936 01:45:19,403 --> 01:45:22,540 Pigpen couldn't play those. 1937 01:45:22,573 --> 01:45:26,076 He just couldn't quite get that kind of thing. 1938 01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:34,318 Sam Cutler: Garcia and Pigpen started this band. 1939 01:45:34,352 --> 01:45:37,688 But a lot of people form bands that... 1940 01:45:37,721 --> 01:45:42,693 And fall by the wayside as the dream develops. 1941 01:45:42,726 --> 01:45:45,629 Of course, the Grateful Dead had the experience of the acid tests, right, 1942 01:45:45,663 --> 01:45:47,698 where they all took the same drug, acid, 1943 01:45:47,731 --> 01:45:49,700 and everyone got crazy together. 1944 01:45:49,733 --> 01:45:51,569 Everybody except Pigpen. 1945 01:45:51,602 --> 01:45:53,413 Pigpen: Hey, there ain't no power on the stage. 1946 01:45:53,437 --> 01:45:54,948 Sam Cutler: To Pigpen, it was ridiculous. 1947 01:45:54,972 --> 01:45:56,607 Pigpen: No electricity on the stage. 1948 01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:57,941 Fix it. 1949 01:45:57,975 --> 01:45:59,419 Prankster: This is the Captain speaking, 1950 01:45:59,443 --> 01:46:01,111 we have reached our first emergency. 1951 01:46:01,144 --> 01:46:03,514 Pigpen: Why don't you rectify it pretty damn quick. 1952 01:46:03,547 --> 01:46:06,083 Prankster: Let's everybody put their worries and frets to mind 1953 01:46:06,116 --> 01:46:08,652 to produce some electricity for the stage. 1954 01:46:08,686 --> 01:46:11,455 Pigpen: Hey, man, stop your babbling and fix these microphones. 1955 01:46:11,489 --> 01:46:14,492 We need some power. Power. 1956 01:46:14,525 --> 01:46:16,927 Loud! Loud! 1957 01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,729 That's better now. 1958 01:46:18,762 --> 01:46:20,474 Sam Cutler: Pigpen didn't grow with the band 1959 01:46:20,498 --> 01:46:23,501 because Pigpen was busy killing himself on alcohol. 1960 01:46:27,004 --> 01:46:30,408 You know, I mean, alcoholics don't like acid. 1961 01:46:30,441 --> 01:46:32,676 They're trying to close down the doors of perception, 1962 01:46:32,710 --> 01:46:34,110 not open them. You know what I mean? 1963 01:46:36,179 --> 01:46:39,149 Mickey Hart: When things started getting a little strange, 1964 01:46:39,182 --> 01:46:41,084 he kind of warped out, lost interest, 1965 01:46:41,118 --> 01:46:43,587 and just drank and drank and drank. 1966 01:46:43,621 --> 01:46:44,901 Finally, you know, it killed him. 1967 01:46:48,726 --> 01:46:49,903 John Perry Barlow: It was so sad. 1968 01:46:49,927 --> 01:46:51,829 I felt so bad for him, you know. 1969 01:46:51,862 --> 01:46:54,632 I just felt like they... they weren't actually making any effort 1970 01:46:54,665 --> 01:46:57,768 to keep him feeling incorporated. 1971 01:47:00,471 --> 01:47:03,106 It was heart rending because he was so sensitive and sweet, 1972 01:47:03,140 --> 01:47:05,476 and, uh, easily wounded. 1973 01:47:05,509 --> 01:47:08,145 Man 1: 48, take one, head slate. "A" camera. 1974 01:47:08,178 --> 01:47:09,680 Man 2: "A" camera. 1975 01:47:09,713 --> 01:47:11,525 Because nobody wants to look at me. Good grief. 1976 01:47:11,549 --> 01:47:13,484 Jerry Garcia: Everyone wants to look at you, Pig. 1977 01:47:13,517 --> 01:47:15,719 You're beautiful. Let's put it back a little bit. 1978 01:47:15,753 --> 01:47:18,456 Steve Parish: Pigpen was an amazing soul of a person, 1979 01:47:18,489 --> 01:47:20,924 and sometimes when you have 1980 01:47:20,958 --> 01:47:23,193 such a rare gem of a person in there, 1981 01:47:23,226 --> 01:47:25,529 and he's like... you're dealing with him everyday, 1982 01:47:25,563 --> 01:47:26,897 it becomes a task. 1983 01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:28,599 And so, when I was first around, 1984 01:47:28,632 --> 01:47:30,568 I was pushed together with him 1985 01:47:30,601 --> 01:47:32,882 because, on the road, nobody else wanted to room with him. 1986 01:47:35,973 --> 01:47:37,675 But, he was so soulful. 1987 01:47:37,708 --> 01:47:39,477 Man: He's all yours. 1988 01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:41,645 Steve Parish: And at night he would come alive, 1989 01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:44,515 and he drank, and he would teach you the blues. 1990 01:47:44,548 --> 01:47:49,119 ♪ I said goodbye, goodbye, poor Katie ♪ 1991 01:47:49,152 --> 01:47:53,223 ♪ It's the last words I've got to say ♪ 1992 01:47:59,029 --> 01:48:04,835 ♪ And Na, Na, Na, Na, poor Katie ♪ 1993 01:48:04,868 --> 01:48:08,639 ♪ It's the last words I've got to say ♪ 1994 01:48:13,977 --> 01:48:17,848 ♪ 'Cause if I don't meet you tomorrow ♪ 1995 01:48:19,517 --> 01:48:24,622 ♪ I'm gonna getcha early in the next day ♪ 1996 01:48:24,655 --> 01:48:26,790 John Perry Barlow: Looking back on 1973, 1997 01:48:26,824 --> 01:48:28,992 yeah, it was a huge turning point. 1998 01:48:29,026 --> 01:48:32,863 Though... though most people didn't recognize it as such at the time. 1999 01:48:32,896 --> 01:48:38,502 Uh, in fact, it became a line of demarcation. 2000 01:48:43,874 --> 01:48:46,610 After that, it seemed like there was 2001 01:48:46,644 --> 01:48:50,013 an awful lot of death taking place. 2002 01:48:53,784 --> 01:48:58,522 ♪ Like a steam locomotive 2003 01:48:58,556 --> 01:49:01,825 ♪ Rollin' down the track 2004 01:49:01,859 --> 01:49:04,261 ♪ He's gone 2005 01:49:04,294 --> 01:49:08,732 ♪ He's gone, and nothin's gonna bring him back ♪ 2006 01:49:11,702 --> 01:49:13,604 ♪ He's gone 2007 01:49:20,611 --> 01:49:22,212 ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh 2008 01:49:22,245 --> 01:49:24,815 ♪ Nothin's gonna bring him back ♪ 2009 01:49:24,848 --> 01:49:27,160 Sam Cutler: You look back on the life of the Grateful Dead, 2010 01:49:27,184 --> 01:49:30,220 and it is littered with dead people. 2011 01:49:30,253 --> 01:49:32,122 I remember my mother one time said... 2012 01:49:32,155 --> 01:49:34,692 I saw my mother, I went to England, and I was visiting, 2013 01:49:34,725 --> 01:49:37,194 I saw my mum and she was in her 70s... 2014 01:49:37,227 --> 01:49:39,797 I said, "You don't look very happy. You all right?" 2015 01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:41,965 She goes, "Oh I'm at that time in my life 2016 01:49:41,999 --> 01:49:43,901 "when all of my friends are dying." 2017 01:49:43,934 --> 01:49:47,037 I said, "Fuck! My friends are constantly fucking dying." 2018 01:49:50,340 --> 01:49:52,676 Steve Parish: When Pigpen died, the band sat around, 2019 01:49:52,710 --> 01:49:54,645 and everybody was wearing their dark glasses. 2020 01:49:54,678 --> 01:49:56,246 We were crying. 2021 01:49:58,181 --> 01:50:00,684 In the Grateful Dead sometimes you'd get that glimpse of 2022 01:50:00,718 --> 01:50:03,654 how fast we were moving through the world. 2023 01:50:05,255 --> 01:50:06,890 Rex Jackson, 2024 01:50:06,924 --> 01:50:09,760 the toughest motherfucker around, 2025 01:50:09,793 --> 01:50:11,662 gone. 2026 01:50:11,695 --> 01:50:15,633 And Ramrod and Johnny Hagen, 2027 01:50:15,666 --> 01:50:19,269 all these guys are dead now. 2028 01:50:19,302 --> 01:50:21,939 It was a hard life. 2029 01:50:21,972 --> 01:50:23,741 And it took its toll, you know, 2030 01:50:23,774 --> 01:50:25,108 and you had to understand that. 2031 01:50:58,490 --> 01:51:01,594 Man: Have your ticket out and ready! Let's go. 2032 01:51:01,627 --> 01:51:05,564 Must have a ticket. 2033 01:51:05,598 --> 01:51:07,666 Have 'em out and ready. 2034 01:51:15,173 --> 01:51:19,912 ♪ Look for a while at the China Cat sunflower ♪ 2035 01:51:19,945 --> 01:51:25,017 ♪ Proud walking jingle in the midnight sun ♪ 2036 01:51:25,050 --> 01:51:27,586 Lesh: Every time I go on stage, 2037 01:51:27,620 --> 01:51:30,656 I walk on stage with the knowledge 2038 01:51:30,689 --> 01:51:32,324 that anything can happen. 2039 01:51:34,292 --> 01:51:37,730 The important thing is to be open. 2040 01:51:40,065 --> 01:51:42,935 Not to go in with any preconceptions 2041 01:51:42,968 --> 01:51:44,670 about whether it's gonna be bad or good 2042 01:51:44,703 --> 01:51:46,639 depending on how the sound check went. 2043 01:51:50,142 --> 01:51:52,377 We always tried to keep it as open as possible, 2044 01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:54,780 and that's what we learned from the acid test. 2045 01:51:58,350 --> 01:52:01,720 Cutler: What the LSD experience teaches you 2046 01:52:01,754 --> 01:52:04,890 is that all things are possible. 2047 01:52:07,726 --> 01:52:10,028 And that's how the Grateful Dead played. 2048 01:52:11,897 --> 01:52:13,766 You know, Phil certainly doesn't play 2049 01:52:13,799 --> 01:52:16,635 what one would describe as a conventional bass. 2050 01:52:21,974 --> 01:52:24,910 And Bobby ended up inventing a whole way 2051 01:52:24,943 --> 01:52:27,345 of being the unique rhythm guitar player. 2052 01:52:33,886 --> 01:52:38,123 But there's nobody who ever came anywhere close to Jerry 2053 01:52:38,156 --> 01:52:40,392 in terms of being able to manifest 2054 01:52:40,425 --> 01:52:43,295 the psychedelic experience musically. 2055 01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:49,868 Having taken LSD, 2056 01:52:49,902 --> 01:52:53,171 you become this person who's aware of the fact 2057 01:52:53,205 --> 01:52:57,042 that life only has a certain amount of predictability to it. 2058 01:52:59,745 --> 01:53:05,250 Jerry was a master at setting up a kind of musical expectation 2059 01:53:05,283 --> 01:53:08,887 and then dragging you off in another direction. 2060 01:53:31,777 --> 01:53:34,947 McNally: The Grateful Dead went into the music for the adventure. 2061 01:53:37,282 --> 01:53:40,953 And they went into it having had that experience with the acid tests, 2062 01:53:40,986 --> 01:53:44,957 in which you treated your audience like partners. 2063 01:53:46,925 --> 01:53:50,462 That's why they did things like spend 2064 01:53:50,495 --> 01:53:54,967 an unconscionable amount of money on the sound system, 2065 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,903 because that's the link between them and the audience. 2066 01:53:57,936 --> 01:54:00,372 It was the sound. 2067 01:54:04,042 --> 01:54:07,512 Parish: Jerry wanted to put a better quality of sound out to the people, 2068 01:54:07,545 --> 01:54:09,414 and all the guys did. 2069 01:54:11,817 --> 01:54:13,318 So we built this thing together 2070 01:54:13,351 --> 01:54:17,856 that became the most unbelievable PA 2071 01:54:17,890 --> 01:54:20,826 that you could imagine. 2072 01:54:20,859 --> 01:54:24,830 And we called it the Wall of Sound. 2073 01:54:27,866 --> 01:54:31,837 Lesh: The Wall of Sound? 2074 01:54:31,870 --> 01:54:33,405 I loved that thing. 2075 01:54:36,441 --> 01:54:41,046 I mean, it was the best PA ever. 2076 01:54:41,079 --> 01:54:44,082 It was the best sound I can possibly imagine. 2077 01:54:44,116 --> 01:54:47,485 And it was also the biggest. 2078 01:54:47,519 --> 01:54:50,388 It was absolutely apocalyptic. 2079 01:54:52,991 --> 01:54:54,827 It was like the voice of God. 2080 01:55:12,510 --> 01:55:15,347 Parish: Oh yeah. We built that PA. 2081 01:55:15,380 --> 01:55:18,450 We did that ourselves in our spare time 2082 01:55:18,483 --> 01:55:20,218 with our own two hands. 2083 01:55:20,252 --> 01:55:22,520 I learned to weld. Heely showed me. 2084 01:55:22,554 --> 01:55:24,456 We welded the first horns together 2085 01:55:24,489 --> 01:55:27,125 that we carried ourselves. 2086 01:55:27,159 --> 01:55:33,832 And at the heart of the dream of it was Owsley, or Bear, 2087 01:55:33,866 --> 01:55:39,137 and his sound design genius. 2088 01:55:39,171 --> 01:55:41,349 Weir: That's the gleeful sound of our PA as it warms up. 2089 01:55:41,373 --> 01:55:44,176 Pigpen: Hey Bear, there's not gonna be another fuckin' word sung 2090 01:55:44,209 --> 01:55:46,311 until them goddamn monitors work. 2091 01:55:46,344 --> 01:55:48,580 Weir: That, ladies and gentlemen, is Bear, none other. 2092 01:55:48,613 --> 01:55:51,616 Lesh: Bear was a mad scientist. 2093 01:55:51,649 --> 01:55:54,819 A little bit of a mad scientist among many other aspects. 2094 01:55:56,554 --> 01:55:59,191 Weir: Augustus Owsley Stanley, 2095 01:55:59,224 --> 01:56:01,626 or better known as The Bear, 2096 01:56:01,659 --> 01:56:05,030 made probably the best LSD that has ever been made. 2097 01:56:05,063 --> 01:56:07,933 Cutler: Oof, that was particularly powerful LSD, 2098 01:56:07,966 --> 01:56:10,635 you know, Jimi Hendrix wrote Purple Haze 2099 01:56:10,668 --> 01:56:13,438 in honor of a brand of LSD that The Bear made. 2100 01:56:13,471 --> 01:56:15,974 Weir: He more or less fueled the psychedelic revolution, 2101 01:56:16,008 --> 01:56:18,210 or whatever you wanted to call it. 2102 01:56:18,243 --> 01:56:21,246 Cutler: In a way, yeah, it changed the consciousness of the Western world. 2103 01:56:21,279 --> 01:56:23,581 Weir: It certainly fueled us in our little explorations. 2104 01:56:31,156 --> 01:56:33,358 Parish: When the Grateful Dead started, 2105 01:56:33,391 --> 01:56:36,294 Owsley bought 'em all their own equipment with his acid money. 2106 01:56:38,263 --> 01:56:40,365 Lesh: He had sort of adopted us 2107 01:56:40,398 --> 01:56:43,068 from the Fillmore Acid Test on. 2108 01:56:43,101 --> 01:56:47,005 He put a lot of energy and, yes, money, into the Grateful Dead. 2109 01:56:47,039 --> 01:56:48,506 Parish: In the early days, 2110 01:56:48,540 --> 01:56:52,477 what there was in P.A.s was just so inadequate. 2111 01:56:52,510 --> 01:56:55,513 Hart: We realized that if we were gonna play for larger crowds, 2112 01:56:55,547 --> 01:56:58,083 we were gonna need a real delivery system. 2113 01:56:58,116 --> 01:57:03,588 And, if sound was the product of all of this work, 2114 01:57:03,621 --> 01:57:06,258 it better be fucking good, man. 2115 01:57:06,291 --> 01:57:09,594 Lesh: Bear's dream was to have a system 2116 01:57:09,627 --> 01:57:12,630 that you could hear for a mile. 2117 01:57:12,664 --> 01:57:15,600 No distortion between the string and the speaker. 2118 01:57:15,633 --> 01:57:19,004 That was his holy grail. 2119 01:57:19,037 --> 01:57:21,339 At first, that was just a fantasy. 2120 01:57:21,373 --> 01:57:24,309 But then, Bear started 2121 01:57:24,342 --> 01:57:26,478 seriously thinking about how it could be done. 2122 01:57:28,346 --> 01:57:30,282 The first thing was, 2123 01:57:30,315 --> 01:57:33,618 he'd move all the speakers for everything behind the band 2124 01:57:33,651 --> 01:57:35,720 so we don't have any complicated interference. 2125 01:57:35,753 --> 01:57:37,422 He built differential microphones, 2126 01:57:37,455 --> 01:57:40,425 which are two microphones connected out of phase. 2127 01:57:40,458 --> 01:57:43,495 You sing into one of them, and the one that's out of phase 2128 01:57:43,528 --> 01:57:47,265 eliminates all of the feedback. 2129 01:57:47,299 --> 01:57:50,235 We found that dispersion of speakers is much better 2130 01:57:50,268 --> 01:57:52,570 if they're placed vertically together 2131 01:57:52,604 --> 01:57:54,306 than if they're spread out. 2132 01:57:54,339 --> 01:57:56,341 And so that lead to the thought of, 2133 01:57:56,374 --> 01:57:59,311 "Okay, it had to be large and tall to push air 2134 01:57:59,344 --> 01:58:01,046 so you that could hear it for a mile." 2135 01:58:05,217 --> 01:58:11,089 Parish: Phil Lesh, he had a stack 32 feet high. 2136 01:58:11,123 --> 01:58:13,658 Why was it 32 feet? Because that's a standing bass wave. 2137 01:58:13,691 --> 01:58:16,628 So everything was based on some kind of deep science thing. 2138 01:58:16,661 --> 01:58:19,431 We built this thing together 2139 01:58:19,464 --> 01:58:23,235 that became the most unbelievable PA 2140 01:58:23,268 --> 01:58:25,203 that you could imagine. 2141 01:58:25,237 --> 01:58:28,106 But, by the time we got to '74, 2142 01:58:28,140 --> 01:58:31,676 the Wall of Sound was making us crazy. 2143 01:58:36,248 --> 01:58:41,053 We had to get up at six in the morning. 2144 01:58:41,086 --> 01:58:45,790 Eight o'clock, we had to be at that hall... 2145 01:58:45,823 --> 01:58:48,626 convincing the union guys that what we were bringing in 2146 01:58:48,660 --> 01:58:51,029 was something that was needed. 2147 01:58:51,063 --> 01:58:54,099 They'd never saw rock and roll shows with these kind of things. 2148 01:58:57,569 --> 01:59:02,107 Three trucks full to the brim with all this heavy gear. 2149 01:59:05,477 --> 01:59:08,680 Ten o'clock, the trucks were empty. 2150 01:59:08,713 --> 01:59:13,318 It took us till noon to stack the 500 speakers. 2151 01:59:15,187 --> 01:59:17,422 Wired it up all afternoon. 2152 01:59:17,455 --> 01:59:19,257 The band came in about four o'clock 2153 01:59:19,291 --> 01:59:21,526 and sound checked. 2154 01:59:21,559 --> 01:59:23,361 And then the doors opened at seven. 2155 01:59:27,399 --> 01:59:29,210 And then they play till one or two in the morning. 2156 01:59:29,234 --> 01:59:30,835 It took us four hours to take it out. 2157 01:59:30,868 --> 01:59:33,671 Here's six a.m., we're driving to the next place. 2158 01:59:38,243 --> 01:59:41,846 Lesh: I'm sure we could have made it more efficient and easier 2159 01:59:41,879 --> 01:59:43,648 to set up and everything. 2160 01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:46,484 We didn't give a shit. 2161 01:59:48,586 --> 01:59:52,490 We were gonna do it, and we were gonna blow it out 2162 01:59:52,524 --> 01:59:54,659 until we couldn't do it anymore. 2163 01:59:54,692 --> 01:59:56,694 It doesn't matter when that happens. 2164 01:59:56,728 --> 02:00:00,132 While we got, it we were gonna do it. 2165 02:00:00,165 --> 02:00:01,333 The Grateful Dead are dumb. 2166 02:00:01,366 --> 02:00:03,235 You have to understand something. 2167 02:00:03,268 --> 02:00:05,170 They make fabulous music, 2168 02:00:05,203 --> 02:00:07,405 wonderful, amazing music, 2169 02:00:07,439 --> 02:00:10,542 the best music of any band I've ever been involved with. 2170 02:00:10,575 --> 02:00:11,843 Fabulous. 2171 02:00:11,876 --> 02:00:15,147 When it came to business decisions... stupid. 2172 02:00:15,180 --> 02:00:19,384 Sam brought a professionalism to the office, 2173 02:00:19,417 --> 02:00:22,454 which was needed at that time, 2174 02:00:22,487 --> 02:00:25,657 but he ran up against the fact that he was not 2175 02:00:25,690 --> 02:00:29,827 dealing with a hierarchical organization. 2176 02:00:29,861 --> 02:00:34,599 I was brought in to manage the publishing company, 2177 02:00:34,632 --> 02:00:37,802 but our roles within the Grateful Dead family 2178 02:00:37,835 --> 02:00:40,572 actually overlapped a lot. 2179 02:00:40,605 --> 02:00:43,841 We all did a little bit of everything. 2180 02:00:43,875 --> 02:00:47,545 And Sam found that he was dealing with a collective, 2181 02:00:47,579 --> 02:00:51,916 and these were not music business professionals. 2182 02:00:51,949 --> 02:00:54,786 It was a nightmare. Nightmare. 2183 02:00:54,819 --> 02:00:57,489 First off, they didn't know how to make decisions. 2184 02:00:57,522 --> 02:00:59,291 Trist: Everybody had a voice, 2185 02:00:59,324 --> 02:01:01,659 and everybody's voice was equally listened to. 2186 02:01:01,693 --> 02:01:04,396 Cutler: When I first went to a meeting with the Grateful Dead, 2187 02:01:04,429 --> 02:01:06,231 there was all these people there. 2188 02:01:06,264 --> 02:01:08,633 There was so many fuckin' people, it was ridiculous. 2189 02:01:08,666 --> 02:01:10,302 They were all part of this 2190 02:01:10,335 --> 02:01:13,605 amorphous blob of people called The Family. 2191 02:01:13,638 --> 02:01:16,708 Trist: It had the characteristics of an open system. 2192 02:01:16,741 --> 02:01:17,951 Cutler: I don't deal with families. 2193 02:01:17,975 --> 02:01:19,777 I deal with rock and roll bands, you know? 2194 02:01:19,811 --> 02:01:21,946 Trist: One that cared a lot about the employees. 2195 02:01:21,979 --> 02:01:23,548 Cutler: I don't deal with old ladies, 2196 02:01:23,581 --> 02:01:24,825 I don't deal with friends of the band. 2197 02:01:24,849 --> 02:01:25,917 Trist: One person says no, 2198 02:01:25,950 --> 02:01:27,319 then it's not on. 2199 02:01:27,352 --> 02:01:28,753 Whatever. I deal with musicians. 2200 02:01:28,786 --> 02:01:30,622 You want me to do this, I'll do it, 2201 02:01:30,655 --> 02:01:32,400 but I ain't gonna deal with all these other people. 2202 02:01:32,424 --> 02:01:33,934 McNally: When is the twelfth? Is it a Wednesday? 2203 02:01:33,958 --> 02:01:35,793 - Man: No, it's a Sunday. - Hart: The tenth. 2204 02:01:35,827 --> 02:01:37,595 Weir: I say, the twelfth. 2205 02:01:37,629 --> 02:01:40,865 Hart: What day is it? Cutler: What's a camel? 2206 02:01:40,898 --> 02:01:42,967 It's a horse designed by a committee. 2207 02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:45,603 Garcia: Why don't we make it one of those... 2208 02:01:45,637 --> 02:01:47,548 Man: Well, I didn't wanna fuckin' sit there anyway. 2209 02:01:47,572 --> 02:01:49,674 Parish: This is Steve. I'm at the meeting. 2210 02:01:49,707 --> 02:01:51,476 Everything's going to pieces, man. 2211 02:01:51,509 --> 02:01:53,211 People are screamin' out of turn. 2212 02:01:53,245 --> 02:01:54,879 The whole place is burning down, man. 2213 02:01:54,912 --> 02:01:56,981 Cutler: I'm a great believer in tellin' people, 2214 02:01:57,014 --> 02:02:00,652 "This is what needs to be done." 2215 02:02:00,685 --> 02:02:02,454 But of course, that didn't endear me 2216 02:02:02,487 --> 02:02:05,223 to a lot of people in the Grateful Dead. 2217 02:02:05,257 --> 02:02:08,626 So, eventually, I said "good luck" and left. 2218 02:02:10,828 --> 02:02:12,897 Parish: Sam knew how to treat the crew, 2219 02:02:12,930 --> 02:02:14,466 and he had the experience 2220 02:02:14,499 --> 02:02:15,867 to take us through those years 2221 02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:18,903 of our first growth spurt. 2222 02:02:18,936 --> 02:02:22,840 But by the time we got to '74, he was gone. 2223 02:02:22,874 --> 02:02:24,776 Lev: Who was in charge? 2224 02:02:24,809 --> 02:02:26,378 Well, I'm so glad you asked that 2225 02:02:26,411 --> 02:02:28,246 because I came up with this, man. 2226 02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:30,258 Because we would hear that a lot of times from promoters. 2227 02:02:30,282 --> 02:02:31,383 "Who's in charge here?" 2228 02:02:31,416 --> 02:02:32,517 We'd hear it from cops. 2229 02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:33,885 "Who's in charge here?" 2230 02:02:33,918 --> 02:02:37,355 And I came up with this saying. 2231 02:02:37,389 --> 02:02:39,591 I said, "The situation is the boss." 2232 02:02:41,393 --> 02:02:44,429 There were times when I was in charge of everything. 2233 02:02:44,462 --> 02:02:48,266 There were times when Jerry was in charge of everything. 2234 02:02:48,300 --> 02:02:52,337 And then, at another time, it would be somebody else. 2235 02:02:52,370 --> 02:02:54,706 It would be a truck that had a blown carburetor. 2236 02:02:54,739 --> 02:02:56,741 That carburetor was the boss at that moment. 2237 02:02:56,774 --> 02:02:58,943 ♪ There's mosquitoes on the river ♪ 2238 02:03:01,579 --> 02:03:03,515 ♪ Fish are rising up like birds ♪ 2239 02:03:06,083 --> 02:03:08,353 ♪ It's been hot for seven weeks now ♪ 2240 02:03:08,386 --> 02:03:10,054 ♪ Too hot to even speak now 2241 02:03:10,087 --> 02:03:12,357 ♪ Did you hear what I just heard? ♪ 2242 02:03:15,026 --> 02:03:16,794 Say, it might have been a fiddle. 2243 02:03:16,828 --> 02:03:20,398 Parish: In '74, we took the Wall of Sound 2244 02:03:20,432 --> 02:03:23,601 over to Europe, and it was about impossible. 2245 02:03:23,635 --> 02:03:26,404 If you think the United States couldn't deal with it, 2246 02:03:26,438 --> 02:03:28,806 Europe, they couldn't deal with it at all. 2247 02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,675 They didn't know why you had to bring 2248 02:03:30,708 --> 02:03:31,943 this much sound equipment. 2249 02:03:31,976 --> 02:03:33,645 What were you thinking? 2250 02:03:33,678 --> 02:03:38,816 ♪ There's a band out on the highway ♪ 2251 02:03:38,850 --> 02:03:43,555 ♪ They're high-stepping into town ♪ 2252 02:03:43,588 --> 02:03:48,393 Parish: We worked so hard, exhaustion was setting in. 2253 02:03:48,426 --> 02:03:53,365 And cocaine was leading the pack now. 2254 02:03:53,398 --> 02:03:56,434 We were in such a drug fueled world. 2255 02:03:56,468 --> 02:03:58,636 We didn't have anybody telling us no. 2256 02:03:58,670 --> 02:04:01,639 And God forbid, if somebody did. 2257 02:04:01,673 --> 02:04:04,642 If it was your old lady or your wife, she was gone. 2258 02:04:04,676 --> 02:04:07,111 If she tried to do it as much as you did, she was gone. 2259 02:04:07,144 --> 02:04:09,981 You both were gone. 2260 02:04:10,014 --> 02:04:11,483 Everybody was crazy. 2261 02:04:14,919 --> 02:04:19,357 Hart: Oh, yeah. Backstage, it was total chaos. 2262 02:04:19,391 --> 02:04:21,826 People were doing heavier drugs, you know. 2263 02:04:21,859 --> 02:04:23,528 The cocaine came in. 2264 02:04:23,561 --> 02:04:24,829 The heroin came in. 2265 02:04:24,862 --> 02:04:26,864 The booze came in. 2266 02:04:26,898 --> 02:04:29,133 It was everywhere. 2267 02:04:29,166 --> 02:04:33,004 You realize, of course, that we're engaging in illicit activities here. 2268 02:04:33,037 --> 02:04:35,640 Hart: You had to have a lot of discipline. 2269 02:04:35,673 --> 02:04:38,476 We didn't have a lot of discipline in some ways. 2270 02:04:52,089 --> 02:04:55,059 Lesh: When we went to Europe in '74, it was... 2271 02:04:55,092 --> 02:04:58,095 It was gettin' really crazy. 2272 02:05:00,197 --> 02:05:03,601 And everybody, I think, was gettin' too deep 2273 02:05:03,635 --> 02:05:07,639 into the rock and roll fantasy, you know, world. 2274 02:05:11,876 --> 02:05:15,447 Parish: I don't give a hell what anybody believes, man. 2275 02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:19,517 Every drug that we took, we used for self exploration. 2276 02:05:25,156 --> 02:05:28,626 Nitrous Oxide puts you in that place 2277 02:05:28,660 --> 02:05:33,431 where you're at rapture of the deep, basically. 2278 02:05:33,465 --> 02:05:35,500 So your body is living off of nitrous, 2279 02:05:35,533 --> 02:05:37,201 but we're made to live off oxygen. 2280 02:05:37,234 --> 02:05:41,038 So your brain goes to this place where it's lettin' go... 2281 02:05:41,072 --> 02:05:45,176 of reality and consciousness, and you're dying. 2282 02:05:45,209 --> 02:05:46,678 You're gratefully dying. 2283 02:05:49,914 --> 02:05:52,917 That's why you laugh, because it's funny, man. 2284 02:05:58,122 --> 02:06:00,992 You understand everything at that moment, man. 2285 02:06:01,025 --> 02:06:03,795 Everything makes fuckin' sense. This thing happens... 2286 02:06:03,828 --> 02:06:06,931 Oh that, yeah, the music on this thing! 2287 02:06:06,964 --> 02:06:09,000 And you, your leg and your arm, bam! 2288 02:06:09,033 --> 02:06:11,536 And your mother's glasses, wow! 2289 02:06:11,569 --> 02:06:14,205 And then you come out of it, and you can't get back there. 2290 02:06:14,238 --> 02:06:16,040 You can't go back to that spot, 2291 02:06:16,073 --> 02:06:17,975 but yet you know for the rest of your life 2292 02:06:18,009 --> 02:06:20,478 that there is that high place. 2293 02:06:22,947 --> 02:06:28,085 If you're takin' drugs just to hide from the world, 2294 02:06:28,119 --> 02:06:30,154 you're gonna become a hidden person. 2295 02:06:32,890 --> 02:06:34,992 If you take drugs to find the world, 2296 02:06:35,026 --> 02:06:37,595 you're gonna become a vibrant human being. 2297 02:06:42,834 --> 02:06:44,902 Barlow: One of the things that I don't think 2298 02:06:44,936 --> 02:06:46,213 people have properly appreciated 2299 02:06:46,237 --> 02:06:50,074 about the culture of the Grateful Dead 2300 02:06:50,107 --> 02:06:55,813 is our utter comfort with paradox. 2301 02:06:55,847 --> 02:07:00,585 You know, we were never an either-or kind of a culture. 2302 02:07:00,618 --> 02:07:02,520 We were always both-and. 2303 02:07:05,256 --> 02:07:08,292 The Deadheads, you know, they had a very strong sense 2304 02:07:08,325 --> 02:07:10,027 that there were good guys and bad guys 2305 02:07:10,061 --> 02:07:11,295 and they knew who they were. 2306 02:07:11,328 --> 02:07:14,632 There is good, and there is bad. 2307 02:07:14,666 --> 02:07:17,068 Good, bad. 2308 02:07:19,637 --> 02:07:21,205 With us, it wasn't so clear. 2309 02:07:21,238 --> 02:07:24,041 You know, we had a... 2310 02:07:24,075 --> 02:07:27,679 We had Hell's Angels hanging around for ages. 2311 02:07:29,814 --> 02:07:32,984 You know, and those are people who don't even try to be good guys. 2312 02:07:35,086 --> 02:07:37,555 Sacramento's coming down, San Jose's coming up, 2313 02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:40,992 Davis City's coming in, Richmond, Frisco will be here. 2314 02:07:49,066 --> 02:07:51,736 And here's a good friend of ours right here from San Francisco. 2315 02:07:51,769 --> 02:07:53,738 Hey, how come we never cake fight, Bobby? 2316 02:07:53,771 --> 02:07:57,041 Man: Cake fight! 2317 02:07:57,074 --> 02:07:58,976 Is this your guitar? 2318 02:07:59,010 --> 02:08:00,654 Barlow: I mean, at one point I complained to Garcia 2319 02:08:00,678 --> 02:08:03,147 about what I thought was the unnecessary presence 2320 02:08:03,180 --> 02:08:08,052 of all the Angels thuggin' it up backstage, 2321 02:08:08,085 --> 02:08:10,622 making everybody kind of nervous, 2322 02:08:10,655 --> 02:08:14,125 and making it even harder for women in a scene that 2323 02:08:14,158 --> 02:08:18,229 was already misogynistic to the max. 2324 02:08:18,262 --> 02:08:20,264 And he said, "Well, you know, 2325 02:08:20,297 --> 02:08:23,334 I don't think that good means very much without evil." 2326 02:08:26,237 --> 02:08:29,607 Which is true. 2327 02:08:29,641 --> 02:08:31,342 But that doesn't necessarily mean 2328 02:08:31,375 --> 02:08:35,346 that you have to always have a seat for evil at the table. 2329 02:08:35,379 --> 02:08:37,815 ♪ Ran into the Devil, baby 2330 02:08:37,849 --> 02:08:40,251 ♪ He loaned me 20 bills 2331 02:08:40,284 --> 02:08:41,953 ♪ Spent the night in Utah 2332 02:08:41,986 --> 02:08:44,822 ♪ In a cave up in the hills 2333 02:08:44,856 --> 02:08:47,124 ♪ Set out running but I take my time ♪ 2334 02:08:47,158 --> 02:08:49,293 ♪ A friend of the devil is a friend of mine ♪ 2335 02:08:49,326 --> 02:08:51,829 ♪ If I get home before daylight ♪ 2336 02:08:51,863 --> 02:08:56,200 ♪ Just might get some sleep tonight ♪ 2337 02:08:56,233 --> 02:09:00,071 Garcia: Hell's Angels happened because of freedom. 2338 02:09:00,104 --> 02:09:03,207 They're free to happen. 2339 02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:07,178 And they're a manifestation of what freedom is in essence. 2340 02:09:07,211 --> 02:09:09,814 Reporter: And yet, you have an Altamont. 2341 02:09:17,889 --> 02:09:21,392 Somehow I feel that you're being, maybe, too forgiving. 2342 02:09:21,425 --> 02:09:23,861 Garcia: I'm not... I mean, you know, well, what's to forgive? 2343 02:09:23,895 --> 02:09:26,097 - There isn't any blame. - Reporter: There is no blame? 2344 02:09:26,130 --> 02:09:27,340 Garcia: No, man, there isn't any blame. 2345 02:09:27,364 --> 02:09:28,966 Because who're you gonna blame? 2346 02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:30,343 You'd have to blame everybody, you know? 2347 02:09:30,367 --> 02:09:31,769 We're all human beings, 2348 02:09:31,803 --> 02:09:33,113 we're all on this planet together, 2349 02:09:33,137 --> 02:09:34,706 and all the problems are all of ours. 2350 02:09:39,310 --> 02:09:42,313 Not, some are mine and some are theirs. 2351 02:09:42,346 --> 02:09:45,449 If there's a war going on, I'm as responsible as anybody is. 2352 02:09:45,482 --> 02:09:47,885 If somebody's murdered, I'm responsible for that, too. 2353 02:09:50,855 --> 02:09:52,757 At some point or another somebody has to say, 2354 02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:55,092 there can be no Hell's Angels, you know? 2355 02:09:55,126 --> 02:09:59,130 And who's gonna say that? 2356 02:09:59,163 --> 02:10:03,467 It's just, you know, it's not what I'm interested in doing. 2357 02:10:03,500 --> 02:10:05,469 The question is how to work it out, man? 2358 02:10:05,502 --> 02:10:08,339 How can you have freedom and still work it out? 2359 02:10:15,379 --> 02:10:18,182 There was a strong belief, 2360 02:10:18,215 --> 02:10:23,187 primarily on Garcia's part, 2361 02:10:23,220 --> 02:10:26,457 that it was important that it be leaderless. 2362 02:10:28,492 --> 02:10:30,995 He did not want to be the leader. 2363 02:10:33,264 --> 02:10:36,300 Never mind that he was, 2364 02:10:36,333 --> 02:10:40,071 and there was no way around it, 2365 02:10:40,104 --> 02:10:43,307 and, you know, often times bad things happened 2366 02:10:43,340 --> 02:10:45,209 because he wasn't willing to... 2367 02:10:45,242 --> 02:10:46,978 He wasn't willing to assert 2368 02:10:47,011 --> 02:10:49,380 what was basically pretty obvious. 2369 02:10:56,120 --> 02:10:58,522 Trist: Jerry once said to me, 2370 02:10:58,555 --> 02:11:02,026 when I was getting a little excited 2371 02:11:02,059 --> 02:11:05,763 about putting off some project or some idea, 2372 02:11:05,797 --> 02:11:07,531 he said, "You know, 2373 02:11:07,564 --> 02:11:12,469 don't try to do anything with the Grateful Dead." 2374 02:11:15,372 --> 02:11:20,411 That, you know, because the collective, in a way, 2375 02:11:20,444 --> 02:11:23,514 is a classic example of following the Tao. 2376 02:11:27,184 --> 02:11:29,386 The way things went down 2377 02:11:29,420 --> 02:11:32,556 were the way they were supposed to go down. 2378 02:11:32,589 --> 02:11:36,027 And, you know, nobody really knew what that was. 2379 02:11:46,570 --> 02:11:48,572 Barlow: Because nobody wanted to be in charge, 2380 02:11:48,605 --> 02:11:54,011 and nobody wanted to say no to anything, 2381 02:11:54,045 --> 02:11:56,113 it became pretty clear that... 2382 02:11:56,147 --> 02:12:00,317 we had become a fully dysfunctional family. 2383 02:12:00,351 --> 02:12:03,855 Godchaux: I don't want to get into the whole drugs thing, 2384 02:12:03,888 --> 02:12:06,858 but it just got unbearable. 2385 02:12:08,592 --> 02:12:13,264 It got unbearable on Keith and me as a husband and wife, 2386 02:12:13,297 --> 02:12:18,002 as a couple with a child, 2387 02:12:18,035 --> 02:12:20,071 and Keith and I were burning out. 2388 02:12:24,108 --> 02:12:25,409 Barlow: At one point, 2389 02:12:25,442 --> 02:12:27,411 Alan Trist went completely crazy. 2390 02:12:27,444 --> 02:12:31,215 I mean, the sanest guy in the whole scene, basically. 2391 02:12:31,248 --> 02:12:34,952 Trist: My susceptibility to what we call around here 2392 02:12:34,986 --> 02:12:37,121 the Marin Spin 2393 02:12:37,154 --> 02:12:40,324 was probably likely to kill me. 2394 02:12:40,357 --> 02:12:43,627 And I was out of Dodge for a period there, 2395 02:12:43,660 --> 02:12:46,630 until I became more connected 2396 02:12:46,663 --> 02:12:50,267 with gentler approaches to... 2397 02:12:50,301 --> 02:12:53,037 To self-abuse, if you're going to put it that way. 2398 02:12:54,671 --> 02:12:58,609 McNally: It was difficult just trying to limp along. 2399 02:12:58,642 --> 02:13:02,513 I mean, remember, they were spending incredible amounts 2400 02:13:02,546 --> 02:13:05,883 of money on the sound system. 2401 02:13:05,917 --> 02:13:10,121 And they paid the crew, which by now had gotten to be a respectable size... 2402 02:13:10,154 --> 02:13:13,557 Radically more than any other employees 2403 02:13:13,590 --> 02:13:15,392 in the history of rock and roll. 2404 02:13:15,426 --> 02:13:18,229 They were supporting lots of people, 2405 02:13:18,262 --> 02:13:19,931 including their own families. 2406 02:13:19,964 --> 02:13:22,433 And it's too much. 2407 02:13:22,466 --> 02:13:24,535 It's all too much. 2408 02:13:24,568 --> 02:13:25,602 That's not tenable. 2409 02:13:28,672 --> 02:13:30,975 Barlow: You know, and it finally just... 2410 02:13:31,008 --> 02:13:33,444 It reached a point where... 2411 02:13:33,477 --> 02:13:36,981 in late '74... 2412 02:13:37,014 --> 02:13:40,084 everybody sort of simultaneously came 2413 02:13:40,117 --> 02:13:42,653 to the conclusion that it just... 2414 02:13:42,686 --> 02:13:45,389 It just wasn't worth it. 2415 02:13:45,422 --> 02:13:48,960 Uh... and we broke up. 2416 02:13:52,096 --> 02:13:55,066 Lesh: It was decided somehow that we would take a break. 2417 02:13:55,099 --> 02:13:57,001 And, if you're gonna do that, 2418 02:13:57,034 --> 02:14:00,137 then it's probably a good idea to do some farewell shows. 2419 02:14:00,171 --> 02:14:02,573 ♪ I know you rider 2420 02:14:02,606 --> 02:14:07,644 ♪ Gonna miss me when I'm gone 2421 02:14:07,678 --> 02:14:09,246 Lesh: And so, we'd booked these last... 2422 02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:11,415 four, five shows at the Winterland. 2423 02:14:11,448 --> 02:14:14,318 ♪ I know you rider 2424 02:14:14,351 --> 02:14:19,690 ♪ Gonna miss me when I'm gone 2425 02:14:23,060 --> 02:14:26,063 ♪ Gonna miss your baby 2426 02:14:26,097 --> 02:14:30,367 ♪ From rolling in your arms 2427 02:14:41,345 --> 02:14:45,116 Lesh: And somebody on the management side came up with an idea, 2428 02:14:45,149 --> 02:14:47,151 "Well, let's make a movie out of it." 2429 02:14:47,184 --> 02:14:50,721 - Man: This is sound roll TH6. - Take one. 2430 02:14:50,754 --> 02:14:53,366 Lesh: Jerry really loved that 'cause he's always wanted to direct a movie, 2431 02:14:53,390 --> 02:14:56,593 so this was his chance, so he kind of jumped on that. 2432 02:14:59,063 --> 02:15:01,698 Barlow: We had something like eleven camera crews 2433 02:15:01,732 --> 02:15:06,737 ostensibly making a movie that was gonna sum up our work. 2434 02:15:06,770 --> 02:15:08,572 And that was gonna be the end of it. 2435 02:15:08,605 --> 02:15:11,408 ♪ The sun will shine 2436 02:15:11,442 --> 02:15:16,080 ♪ In my back door someday 2437 02:15:16,113 --> 02:15:19,316 But it was kind of fraught with weirdness 2438 02:15:19,350 --> 02:15:23,520 from the beginning, not surprisingly. 2439 02:15:23,554 --> 02:15:27,158 Our sound mixer kind of went belly up, 2440 02:15:27,191 --> 02:15:29,160 mentally speaking. 2441 02:15:29,193 --> 02:15:32,429 During our actual recording, at the end of the last show, 2442 02:15:32,463 --> 02:15:38,069 he was found cowering under the soundboard. 2443 02:15:38,102 --> 02:15:41,505 I don't know why, and I never have. 2444 02:15:41,538 --> 02:15:43,807 I'm not sure I even wanna speculate. 2445 02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:48,379 ♪ I wish I was a headlight 2446 02:15:48,412 --> 02:15:51,282 ♪ On a northbound train 2447 02:15:55,819 --> 02:15:59,723 ♪ I wish I was a headlight 2448 02:15:59,756 --> 02:16:03,094 ♪ On a northbound train 2449 02:16:07,698 --> 02:16:09,566 ♪ I'd shine my light 2450 02:16:09,600 --> 02:16:15,439 ♪ Through the cool Colorado rain ♪ 2451 02:16:15,472 --> 02:16:17,741 Barlow: Something that wasn't in the movie was, 2452 02:16:17,774 --> 02:16:20,344 behind the scenes, 2453 02:16:20,377 --> 02:16:22,746 there was actually kind of a war going on 2454 02:16:22,779 --> 02:16:26,683 between the acid heads and the coke freaks. 2455 02:16:26,717 --> 02:16:29,286 You know, so, one of the manifestations of this 2456 02:16:29,320 --> 02:16:30,787 that was really hilarious 2457 02:16:30,821 --> 02:16:33,657 was that Rex Jackson positioned himself 2458 02:16:33,690 --> 02:16:35,626 right at the top of the stage stair, 2459 02:16:35,659 --> 02:16:38,829 and he wouldn't let you go on stage unless you took 2460 02:16:38,862 --> 02:16:41,798 another drop out of the Miriam bottle. 2461 02:16:41,832 --> 02:16:44,711 Parish: His thing was, "Well, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do tonight, Steve, 2462 02:16:44,735 --> 02:16:47,271 "I'm giving everybody who comes up these stairs, 2463 02:16:47,304 --> 02:16:50,441 they're gonna get acid, you know, they're gonna just get LSD up the ass, 2464 02:16:50,474 --> 02:16:53,510 and then they'd better fuckin' behave themselves, you know, whatever." 2465 02:16:53,544 --> 02:16:58,249 But it wasn't working, and it was getting crazier. 2466 02:16:58,282 --> 02:17:01,218 You see, he was trying to hold on to 2467 02:17:01,252 --> 02:17:04,888 the camaraderie of the early Grateful Dead. 2468 02:17:04,921 --> 02:17:09,326 Barlow: And sure, it was a great way to keep the coke freaks off the stage. 2469 02:17:09,360 --> 02:17:13,330 But it was also a great way to make the music become 2470 02:17:13,364 --> 02:17:15,566 increasingly more psychedelic. 2471 02:17:27,344 --> 02:17:29,813 ♪ Well, I know you rider 2472 02:17:29,846 --> 02:17:32,549 ♪ Gonna miss me when 2473 02:17:32,583 --> 02:17:35,552 Lesh: I did not want to take a break. 2474 02:17:35,586 --> 02:17:37,688 I was so into it, and it was just developing, 2475 02:17:37,721 --> 02:17:39,856 and it was getting better and better and better, 2476 02:17:39,890 --> 02:17:42,259 and I was having the time of my life. 2477 02:17:42,293 --> 02:17:44,595 ♪ Gonna miss me 2478 02:17:44,628 --> 02:17:48,265 My fear was, once we took a break, 2479 02:17:48,299 --> 02:17:49,900 it might not come back together again. 2480 02:17:52,369 --> 02:17:54,938 And the Grateful Dead is the best thing that ever happened to me 2481 02:17:54,971 --> 02:17:57,208 until I met my wife. 2482 02:17:57,241 --> 02:18:00,211 And I did not want to let it go. 2483 02:18:00,244 --> 02:18:03,880 Not even for a minute. 2484 02:18:52,996 --> 02:18:54,898 Huh? 2485 02:19:29,032 --> 02:19:31,668 Lesh: From 1967 on, it was constant. 2486 02:19:34,004 --> 02:19:37,007 We averaged 80 shows a year, on the road. 2487 02:19:38,675 --> 02:19:41,678 I guess people were just getting tired. 2488 02:19:43,980 --> 02:19:48,585 Well, what happened was that everybody sort of went their... 2489 02:19:48,619 --> 02:19:52,356 Their separate ways to let things cool out. 2490 02:19:54,725 --> 02:19:56,627 Never waste a drop. 2491 02:19:56,660 --> 02:19:59,496 Weir: And that period of rest 2492 02:19:59,530 --> 02:20:02,466 really kind of saved us. 2493 02:20:02,499 --> 02:20:05,536 It's not just momentary fatigue that you're running down, 2494 02:20:05,569 --> 02:20:07,704 and you look back on your lifestyle, 2495 02:20:07,738 --> 02:20:09,916 and you can pretty clearly see what's been doing it to you, 2496 02:20:09,940 --> 02:20:14,311 then prudence decrees that you're gonna have to alter your lifestyle, 2497 02:20:14,345 --> 02:20:16,713 or you're not gonna make it very far. 2498 02:20:16,747 --> 02:20:19,650 I don't think that I can really fairly expect 2499 02:20:19,683 --> 02:20:21,852 to live for a long time if I'm on the road 2500 02:20:21,885 --> 02:20:23,620 six months out of the year. 2501 02:20:26,390 --> 02:20:27,958 That's hard on you. 2502 02:20:35,666 --> 02:20:37,468 When the Grateful Dead took a break, 2503 02:20:37,501 --> 02:20:39,436 we didn't stop for a second. 2504 02:20:39,470 --> 02:20:41,872 Not me and Jerry. We just went right into the Garcia band. 2505 02:20:41,905 --> 02:20:43,474 We kept going. 2506 02:20:43,507 --> 02:20:45,709 ♪ Later on, the bottom dropped out ♪ 2507 02:20:45,742 --> 02:20:48,412 ♪ I became withdrawn 2508 02:20:48,445 --> 02:20:50,981 ♪ The only thing I knew how to do ♪ 2509 02:20:51,014 --> 02:20:53,717 ♪ Was to keep on keepin' on like a bird that flew ♪ 2510 02:20:55,752 --> 02:20:59,356 ♪ Tangled up in blue 2511 02:20:59,390 --> 02:21:01,925 Parish: We were playing nightclubs night after night. 2512 02:21:01,958 --> 02:21:04,995 Putting all our energy into it. 2513 02:21:05,028 --> 02:21:08,732 You see, Jerry just wanted to be a guitar player. 2514 02:21:08,765 --> 02:21:12,836 He wanted to play as much as he could. 2515 02:21:12,869 --> 02:21:15,372 So we never stopped for one second. 2516 02:21:15,406 --> 02:21:17,617 Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen and the Deadheads of the world, 2517 02:21:17,641 --> 02:21:18,875 the Grateful Dead! 2518 02:21:27,451 --> 02:21:31,087 Weir: When we came back together, 2519 02:21:31,121 --> 02:21:34,024 everybody had a bigger bag of tricks 2520 02:21:34,057 --> 02:21:36,092 to bring back to the fold. 2521 02:21:38,028 --> 02:21:40,764 And that was really a golden era for us. 2522 02:21:42,999 --> 02:21:44,835 You could pretty much walk into a show 2523 02:21:44,868 --> 02:21:49,773 and expect that we were going to achieve liftoff. 2524 02:21:49,806 --> 02:21:53,877 We were... We were pretty damn reliable. 2525 02:21:53,910 --> 02:21:55,646 ♪ Oh, go 2526 02:21:55,679 --> 02:21:57,147 ♪ Go, Johnny, go 2527 02:21:57,180 --> 02:21:58,181 ♪ Go 2528 02:21:58,214 --> 02:21:59,883 ♪ Go, Johnny, go 2529 02:21:59,916 --> 02:22:02,018 ♪ Go go go 2530 02:22:02,052 --> 02:22:03,987 ♪ Go, Johnny, go 2531 02:22:04,020 --> 02:22:05,889 ♪ Go, Johnny, go 2532 02:22:05,922 --> 02:22:07,991 ♪ Go 2533 02:22:08,024 --> 02:22:09,125 ♪ Johnny B. Goode 2534 02:22:13,864 --> 02:22:15,766 Lesh: That period, the late '70s, 2535 02:22:15,799 --> 02:22:18,635 were extraordinarily productive, 2536 02:22:18,669 --> 02:22:20,537 and some of the most popular shows 2537 02:22:20,571 --> 02:22:23,940 that we've ever played are from that period. 2538 02:22:25,108 --> 02:22:27,444 At the same time, 2539 02:22:27,478 --> 02:22:29,012 something wasn't right. 2540 02:22:30,814 --> 02:22:33,617 That's just from my perspective. 2541 02:22:33,650 --> 02:22:35,886 But something fundamental... 2542 02:22:35,919 --> 02:22:38,555 There was a... There was a kind of hole 2543 02:22:38,589 --> 02:22:40,791 in the whole thing somehow. 2544 02:22:45,562 --> 02:22:47,063 Barlow: We did do the Egypt thing, 2545 02:22:47,097 --> 02:22:49,866 which I think was a huge, 2546 02:22:49,900 --> 02:22:53,203 huge thing for creating a sense 2547 02:22:53,236 --> 02:22:56,673 of solidarity and mystical purpose 2548 02:22:56,707 --> 02:22:58,909 for just about everybody. 2549 02:23:00,811 --> 02:23:04,080 But, oh God, it was just... 2550 02:23:04,114 --> 02:23:06,483 There was all manner of wickedness. 2551 02:23:06,517 --> 02:23:09,586 ♪ Long distance runner 2552 02:23:09,620 --> 02:23:11,221 ♪ What you holdin' out for? 2553 02:23:11,254 --> 02:23:15,559 Parish: As darker drugs moved into the scene, 2554 02:23:15,592 --> 02:23:18,595 it became more about trying to protect your brothers 2555 02:23:18,629 --> 02:23:22,499 from falling too deep into things that you knew about. 2556 02:23:22,533 --> 02:23:24,801 I was a streetwise kid, 2557 02:23:24,835 --> 02:23:26,178 and I knew everything that happened 2558 02:23:26,202 --> 02:23:29,205 when you fucked around with heroin. 2559 02:23:29,239 --> 02:23:32,208 But Jerry, he got caught up in it. 2560 02:23:32,242 --> 02:23:35,779 ♪ The more that you give, the more it will take ♪ 2561 02:23:38,148 --> 02:23:43,687 ♪ To the thin line beyond which you really can't fake ♪ 2562 02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:47,858 ♪ Fire, fire on the mountain 2563 02:23:50,060 --> 02:23:54,230 ♪ Fire, fire on the mountain 2564 02:23:56,299 --> 02:23:58,101 ♪ Fire 2565 02:23:58,134 --> 02:24:01,304 Parish: Jerry was the epitome of the Grateful Dead, 2566 02:24:01,337 --> 02:24:03,874 the heart and soul of it. 2567 02:24:03,907 --> 02:24:07,744 He was responsible for being the guy 2568 02:24:07,778 --> 02:24:13,083 to keep this whole machination that we have built goin'. 2569 02:24:13,116 --> 02:24:15,251 And it's hard to live up to that. 2570 02:24:17,287 --> 02:24:19,656 The drugs that go along with being that person 2571 02:24:19,690 --> 02:24:25,796 are not conducive to health and life. 2572 02:24:25,829 --> 02:24:28,865 Barlow: You know, we were asking ourselves 2573 02:24:28,899 --> 02:24:33,103 to maintain a kind of creative openness 2574 02:24:33,136 --> 02:24:37,140 and leaning-into-it-ness... 2575 02:24:37,173 --> 02:24:40,076 and passion and all that stuff. 2576 02:24:43,013 --> 02:24:46,116 As we got older, it just got harder. 2577 02:24:49,620 --> 02:24:52,055 And it was all kind of gathering ourselves up 2578 02:24:52,088 --> 02:24:54,625 for what was gonna be... 2579 02:24:54,658 --> 02:24:56,259 What turned out to be our... 2580 02:24:56,292 --> 02:24:57,861 You know, our big decade, 2581 02:24:57,894 --> 02:25:01,598 which was the '80s, going into the nineties. 2582 02:25:24,129 --> 02:25:26,431 I hope there are people watching this documentary 2583 02:25:26,465 --> 02:25:28,133 who don't know the Dead 2584 02:25:28,167 --> 02:25:30,602 or are just being introduced to the Dead. 2585 02:25:30,635 --> 02:25:32,404 And I think you're gonna ask me 2586 02:25:32,437 --> 02:25:34,006 about some... I don't know... 2587 02:25:34,039 --> 02:25:35,841 What you're gonna ask me about, but... 2588 02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:53,458 Prankster: Tonight's acid test will remain in part 2589 02:25:53,492 --> 02:25:55,560 from its paralysis voyage into the void 2590 02:25:55,594 --> 02:25:57,129 for the remainder of the night. 2591 02:25:57,162 --> 02:25:59,064 That's right. Just a... 2592 02:25:59,098 --> 02:26:00,375 - Hey, Bear. - Get off the stage, will you? 2593 02:26:00,399 --> 02:26:01,566 What's that? 2594 02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:03,235 Al Franken: Are you gonna have, 2595 02:26:03,268 --> 02:26:05,337 like, an animated Jerry over your shoulder 2596 02:26:05,370 --> 02:26:08,473 going like, "Oh, I wouldn't do that"? 2597 02:26:10,242 --> 02:26:12,644 Is that like an idea you can put in the movie? 2598 02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:23,555 I'm not a Grateful Dead scholar. 2599 02:26:23,588 --> 02:26:26,125 I'm a Grateful Dead fan. 2600 02:26:28,027 --> 02:26:29,428 You know... 2601 02:26:30,562 --> 02:26:31,562 I'm a Deadhead. 2602 02:26:33,665 --> 02:26:35,367 We caught up with the band 2603 02:26:35,400 --> 02:26:36,601 in Hartford, Connecticut, 2604 02:26:36,635 --> 02:26:40,039 and their fans called the Deadheads. 2605 02:26:40,072 --> 02:26:42,374 Perhaps as important as the Dead themselves... 2606 02:26:42,407 --> 02:26:43,475 The Deadheads. 2607 02:26:43,508 --> 02:26:45,277 Self-described Deadheads 2608 02:26:45,310 --> 02:26:47,446 who are undoubtedly the most enthusiastic cult... 2609 02:26:47,479 --> 02:26:49,090 Male reporter: Deadheads... A faithful following 2610 02:26:49,114 --> 02:26:51,516 that comes here again and again for the music, 2611 02:26:51,550 --> 02:26:54,386 but at the same time a whole lot more. 2612 02:26:54,419 --> 02:26:56,355 Man: Yep. They're Deadheads. 2613 02:27:00,425 --> 02:27:02,627 McNally: In, uh, 1984, 2614 02:27:02,661 --> 02:27:04,964 I became the Grateful Dead's publicist. 2615 02:27:04,997 --> 02:27:06,631 We'll start in about 15 minutes. 2616 02:27:06,665 --> 02:27:10,569 I got hired because the receptionist said, "You know, 2617 02:27:10,602 --> 02:27:12,571 "the media calls, and nobody calls them back, 2618 02:27:12,604 --> 02:27:15,407 and they yell at me, and I don't like it." 2619 02:27:15,440 --> 02:27:18,577 And Garcia said, "Ah, get McNally to do it. He knows that shit." 2620 02:27:20,379 --> 02:27:23,015 By the middle 1980s, 2621 02:27:23,048 --> 02:27:24,950 the people of my generation, 2622 02:27:24,984 --> 02:27:27,419 all these people are now in their middle 30s. 2623 02:27:27,452 --> 02:27:28,954 They have careers. 2624 02:27:28,988 --> 02:27:31,056 Some of them are in the media. 2625 02:27:31,090 --> 02:27:33,692 They not only know about the Grateful Dead, 2626 02:27:33,725 --> 02:27:35,260 they want to cover the Grateful Dead, 2627 02:27:35,294 --> 02:27:36,628 and they want to do it positively. 2628 02:27:36,661 --> 02:27:39,064 So they're gonna send a camera. 2629 02:27:39,098 --> 02:27:41,433 The Grateful Dead are one of the... 2630 02:27:41,466 --> 02:27:43,302 The press would arrive. 2631 02:27:43,335 --> 02:27:46,972 They would be assaulted by this incredible scene... 2632 02:27:49,008 --> 02:27:50,442 ...and suddenly the story became 2633 02:27:50,475 --> 02:27:53,212 not the band but Deadheads. 2634 02:27:54,546 --> 02:27:57,649 And everybody had the same question. 2635 02:27:57,682 --> 02:28:00,019 Man: Okay, what is it about the Grateful Dead? 2636 02:28:00,052 --> 02:28:02,454 What is it about the Grateful Dead that brings you here? 2637 02:28:02,487 --> 02:28:03,688 Woman: Why are you a Deadhead? 2638 02:28:03,722 --> 02:28:05,090 Why am I a Deadhead? 2639 02:28:05,124 --> 02:28:06,625 Wow. What is this for? Is this, like, 2640 02:28:06,658 --> 02:28:08,727 just for your own personal satisfaction, 2641 02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:10,062 or is this like... 2642 02:28:12,564 --> 02:28:16,268 Wow, that's weird. Wow. Do you, like... Is this fun? 2643 02:28:21,073 --> 02:28:22,374 Box slate. 2644 02:28:23,642 --> 02:28:25,610 Back to the Grateful Dead. 2645 02:28:28,347 --> 02:28:32,117 In the 1980s, I had retired, 2646 02:28:32,151 --> 02:28:34,619 and I wanted to write a book. 2647 02:28:34,653 --> 02:28:36,488 And so for two years 2648 02:28:36,521 --> 02:28:38,423 I took this tape recorder out 2649 02:28:38,457 --> 02:28:41,460 and started to do these interviews. 2650 02:28:44,263 --> 02:28:46,165 Joe Smith on tape: Jerry, thank you for this. 2651 02:28:46,198 --> 02:28:47,708 - You know I'm doing this book. - Garcia: Yeah. 2652 02:28:47,732 --> 02:28:49,401 And you're a very key player in it, 2653 02:28:49,434 --> 02:28:51,303 so I if you got a few minutes 2654 02:28:51,336 --> 02:28:53,172 - I'd just like to talk. - Absolutely, man. 2655 02:28:53,205 --> 02:28:55,340 You know, I, I have such a fond feeling for you guys. 2656 02:28:55,374 --> 02:28:57,176 Smith: Well, this is years later, you know, 2657 02:28:57,209 --> 02:28:58,643 and all the venom 2658 02:28:58,677 --> 02:29:00,612 that had been taken out of the relationship... 2659 02:29:00,645 --> 02:29:03,382 Smith: Why is it that this one aggregation, 2660 02:29:03,415 --> 02:29:04,816 this one combination, 2661 02:29:04,849 --> 02:29:07,586 can continue to do it 23, 24 years later 2662 02:29:07,619 --> 02:29:10,089 with audiences that weren't alive the first time around. 2663 02:29:10,122 --> 02:29:12,124 - Right. - What is it that you guys got? 2664 02:29:12,157 --> 02:29:13,658 I haven't the slightest idea, Joe. 2665 02:29:13,692 --> 02:29:15,794 It is one of the great phenomenons 2666 02:29:15,827 --> 02:29:17,562 of the entertainment world. 2667 02:29:17,596 --> 02:29:19,331 I think now, during the eighties, 2668 02:29:19,364 --> 02:29:22,567 the Grateful Dead kind of represents something 2669 02:29:22,601 --> 02:29:25,204 like hopping railroads, you know what I mean? 2670 02:29:25,237 --> 02:29:26,647 - Yeah. - Some... Something like that, 2671 02:29:26,671 --> 02:29:28,273 or being on the road like Kerouac. 2672 02:29:28,307 --> 02:29:30,109 - Yeah, yeah. - It... it... 2673 02:29:30,142 --> 02:29:31,852 But you can't do those types of things anymore, 2674 02:29:31,876 --> 02:29:33,545 but you can be a Deadhead. 2675 02:29:33,578 --> 02:29:35,247 You can get in your van 2676 02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:36,520 and go with the other Deadheads 2677 02:29:36,548 --> 02:29:38,317 across the United States. 2678 02:29:38,350 --> 02:29:40,051 "Now, that looks like fun," you know? 2679 02:29:42,454 --> 02:29:44,123 You have your war stories, you know? 2680 02:29:44,156 --> 02:29:45,524 - Yeah. - Stories about the time 2681 02:29:45,557 --> 02:29:47,326 that you were driving through Des Plains 2682 02:29:47,359 --> 02:29:49,528 in the middle of the night, got four flat tires, 2683 02:29:49,561 --> 02:29:51,430 and some farmer helped you out 2684 02:29:51,463 --> 02:29:52,831 and put you up and... 2685 02:29:52,864 --> 02:29:54,399 I think that's 2686 02:29:54,433 --> 02:29:56,601 what motivates the audience now... 2687 02:29:56,635 --> 02:29:59,538 The spirit of being able to go out 2688 02:29:59,571 --> 02:30:01,506 and have an adventure in America at large, 2689 02:30:01,540 --> 02:30:02,774 you know what I mean? 2690 02:30:02,807 --> 02:30:04,376 Woman: We're here. 2691 02:30:07,346 --> 02:30:10,749 We were chasing your ass all the way across country. 2692 02:30:10,782 --> 02:30:13,385 Man: We've been chasing you from fucking Nebraska. 2693 02:30:13,418 --> 02:30:14,862 Garcia: The whole thing is that Deadheads 2694 02:30:14,886 --> 02:30:16,821 have a certain sense of adventure, 2695 02:30:16,855 --> 02:30:19,524 and it's tough to come by adventure 2696 02:30:19,558 --> 02:30:22,461 in this new, lame America. 2697 02:30:22,494 --> 02:30:24,429 Male reporter: Roll over, Boogaloo Shrimp. 2698 02:30:24,463 --> 02:30:26,431 That's the First Lady Nancy Reagan 2699 02:30:26,465 --> 02:30:28,333 trying out some break dance steps today 2700 02:30:28,367 --> 02:30:30,735 on a visit to a New York rehab home for teens. 2701 02:30:30,769 --> 02:30:33,305 Now she ready to slip on some tie-dye 2702 02:30:33,338 --> 02:30:35,340 and go to a Dead concert. 2703 02:30:35,374 --> 02:30:39,511 McNally: Ronald Reagan is president in the eighties, 2704 02:30:39,544 --> 02:30:43,215 and the great reaction had begun. 2705 02:30:43,248 --> 02:30:44,749 As a matter of fact, I have here... 2706 02:30:44,783 --> 02:30:46,651 The reaction against the sixties. 2707 02:30:46,685 --> 02:30:48,520 ...District Attorney of Alameda County. 2708 02:30:48,553 --> 02:30:50,355 It concerns a dance... 2709 02:30:50,389 --> 02:30:52,424 Ronald Reagan ran as governor 2710 02:30:52,457 --> 02:30:55,294 and as president against the sixties, 2711 02:30:55,327 --> 02:30:56,495 and it worked. 2712 02:30:56,528 --> 02:30:57,796 Three rock and roll bands 2713 02:30:57,829 --> 02:30:59,631 were in the center of the gymnasium 2714 02:30:59,664 --> 02:31:01,376 playing simultaneously all during the dance. 2715 02:31:01,400 --> 02:31:02,701 And all during the dance, 2716 02:31:02,734 --> 02:31:05,237 movies were shown on two screens 2717 02:31:05,270 --> 02:31:07,639 at the opposite ends of the gymnasium. 2718 02:31:07,672 --> 02:31:10,709 These movies were the only lights in the gym proper. 2719 02:31:10,742 --> 02:31:12,611 They consisted of color sequences 2720 02:31:12,644 --> 02:31:14,746 that gave the appearance of different-colored liquid 2721 02:31:14,779 --> 02:31:16,548 spreading across the screen, 2722 02:31:16,581 --> 02:31:18,950 followed by shots of men and women on occasion, 2723 02:31:18,983 --> 02:31:21,453 shots where the men and women's nude torsos, 2724 02:31:21,486 --> 02:31:22,821 on occasion, 2725 02:31:22,854 --> 02:31:24,889 and persons twisted and gyrated 2726 02:31:24,923 --> 02:31:26,625 in provocative and sensual fashion. 2727 02:31:26,658 --> 02:31:28,603 - ♪ When I married me a bad girl... ♪ - The young... 2728 02:31:28,627 --> 02:31:30,362 McNally: A certain proportion of Americans 2729 02:31:30,395 --> 02:31:32,364 say "No, we don't think so," 2730 02:31:32,397 --> 02:31:33,965 and run away to join the circus 2731 02:31:33,998 --> 02:31:35,634 and follow the Grateful Dead. 2732 02:31:35,667 --> 02:31:37,969 ♪ Never even put a stew bone in the pot ♪ 2733 02:31:38,002 --> 02:31:40,472 ♪ She's on the road again 2734 02:31:40,505 --> 02:31:42,207 ♪ Sure as you're born 2735 02:31:42,241 --> 02:31:44,876 ♪ Catch a policeman on the road again ♪ 2736 02:31:44,909 --> 02:31:46,945 ♪ She's on the road again 2737 02:31:46,978 --> 02:31:48,880 ♪ Sure as you're born 2738 02:31:50,415 --> 02:31:51,916 The whole world that, you know, 2739 02:31:51,950 --> 02:31:53,918 kind of, Jack Kerouac and the Beat Generation 2740 02:31:53,952 --> 02:31:55,387 had risen up against, 2741 02:31:55,420 --> 02:31:57,456 was still kind of there, you know, 2742 02:31:57,489 --> 02:32:00,359 pressing everybody, but in new forms. 2743 02:32:00,392 --> 02:32:02,294 But when you went to a Grateful Dead show... 2744 02:32:03,662 --> 02:32:06,698 you would glimpse over a kind of horizon 2745 02:32:06,731 --> 02:32:09,501 of, uh, you know, American crap 2746 02:32:09,534 --> 02:32:12,271 that was usually all you got to see. 2747 02:32:12,304 --> 02:32:13,638 ♪ Come on, pretty mama 2748 02:32:13,672 --> 02:32:15,474 ♪ Let's get on the road again ♪ 2749 02:32:15,507 --> 02:32:17,242 McNally: It wasn't for everybody, you know. 2750 02:32:17,276 --> 02:32:19,344 It was an acquired taste. 2751 02:32:19,378 --> 02:32:21,646 ♪ Catch a policeman on the road again ♪ 2752 02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:22,981 In the early 1980s, 2753 02:32:23,014 --> 02:32:25,884 the Grateful Dead were still very much 2754 02:32:25,917 --> 02:32:28,387 an underground phenomenon. 2755 02:32:28,420 --> 02:32:32,824 Deadheads became Deadheads by being mentored. 2756 02:32:32,857 --> 02:32:36,361 You'd have an elder sibling or friend, 2757 02:32:36,395 --> 02:32:38,363 and he would turn you on to the Dead. 2758 02:32:40,699 --> 02:32:43,602 I had friends who would give me acid 2759 02:32:43,635 --> 02:32:44,936 and then play Aoxomoxoa. 2760 02:32:44,969 --> 02:32:47,038 Aoxomoxoa: it's a palindrome. 2761 02:32:47,071 --> 02:32:48,940 One of their most wild experimental albums. 2762 02:32:50,074 --> 02:32:51,576 And then I had another friend 2763 02:32:51,610 --> 02:32:53,712 who would play me Europe '72. 2764 02:32:55,447 --> 02:32:58,750 And I remember listening to the transition 2765 02:32:58,783 --> 02:33:02,654 where out of the chaos 2766 02:33:02,687 --> 02:33:05,657 condenses "The Morning Dew." 2767 02:33:08,693 --> 02:33:11,062 And so that sort of beguiled me enough 2768 02:33:11,095 --> 02:33:12,397 to go to my first show. 2769 02:33:19,371 --> 02:33:20,639 Whoo! 2770 02:33:20,672 --> 02:33:21,782 Steve Silberman: And I remember, 2771 02:33:21,806 --> 02:33:23,442 like, 20 minutes into this show, 2772 02:33:23,475 --> 02:33:25,910 I'm hearing this incredible improvisation 2773 02:33:25,944 --> 02:33:27,679 on electric bass 2774 02:33:27,712 --> 02:33:30,715 played through quadraphonic speakers 2775 02:33:30,749 --> 02:33:33,552 and Phil moving notes around 2776 02:33:33,585 --> 02:33:36,621 in three dimensions through the audience. 2777 02:33:36,655 --> 02:33:39,391 Like, I had never seen anybody do that. 2778 02:33:49,834 --> 02:33:52,671 And I remember thinking, like, My God, 2779 02:33:52,704 --> 02:33:54,944 this is, like, the best music I've ever heard in my life. 2780 02:33:56,608 --> 02:33:58,009 This is for me. 2781 02:33:59,711 --> 02:34:02,013 I want to see this as much as I can. 2782 02:34:03,615 --> 02:34:07,719 ♪ Sometimes we live in no particular way ♪ 2783 02:34:07,752 --> 02:34:08,987 ♪ But our own 2784 02:34:09,020 --> 02:34:10,989 And so I basically started going 2785 02:34:11,022 --> 02:34:12,557 to see them whenever I could. 2786 02:34:12,591 --> 02:34:15,794 ♪ Sometimes we visit your country ♪ 2787 02:34:15,827 --> 02:34:18,397 ♪ And live in your home 2788 02:34:21,900 --> 02:34:25,604 ♪ Sometimes we ride on your horses ♪ 2789 02:34:25,637 --> 02:34:30,074 ♪ Sometimes we walk alone 2790 02:34:30,108 --> 02:34:34,012 ♪ Sometimes the songs that we hear ♪ 2791 02:34:34,045 --> 02:34:36,047 ♪ Are just songs of our own 2792 02:34:39,584 --> 02:34:41,720 ♪ Wake up to find out... 2793 02:34:41,753 --> 02:34:43,522 Silberman: You know, I was surrounded 2794 02:34:43,555 --> 02:34:45,890 by this incredibly complicated 2795 02:34:45,924 --> 02:34:49,494 and incredibly well established social structure. 2796 02:34:49,528 --> 02:34:52,163 ♪ It's speeches, it's homeland and... ♪ 2797 02:34:52,196 --> 02:34:56,401 The physical layout of a Grateful Dead show 2798 02:34:56,435 --> 02:34:59,037 was like a mandala with different regions. 2799 02:35:03,041 --> 02:35:05,009 And if you look at a mandala 2800 02:35:05,043 --> 02:35:08,079 in traditional Tibetan Buddhism, 2801 02:35:08,112 --> 02:35:09,948 there are, like, these different sectors 2802 02:35:09,981 --> 02:35:11,850 of the mandala. 2803 02:35:11,883 --> 02:35:15,454 You know, here are the angry gods, 2804 02:35:15,487 --> 02:35:17,856 here are the people suffering. 2805 02:35:21,092 --> 02:35:24,028 Grateful Dead shows were like a mandala. 2806 02:35:27,031 --> 02:35:30,435 You know, people knew where they would sit. 2807 02:35:30,469 --> 02:35:33,104 There would be, you know, the Phil zone people out here 2808 02:35:33,137 --> 02:35:36,775 and then the Jerry side people over here. 2809 02:35:38,209 --> 02:35:39,711 There would be the deaf zone 2810 02:35:39,744 --> 02:35:42,514 where people would be holding balloons 2811 02:35:42,547 --> 02:35:47,151 that vibrated with the music because they could not hear. 2812 02:35:47,185 --> 02:35:49,120 But, by holding the balloons, 2813 02:35:49,153 --> 02:35:51,690 they could literally sense the vibrations of the music. 2814 02:35:51,723 --> 02:35:53,625 And they would dance, 2815 02:35:53,658 --> 02:35:56,928 and there would be a live sign language interpreter 2816 02:35:56,961 --> 02:35:59,564 providing interpretation of the lyrics. 2817 02:36:03,201 --> 02:36:05,770 There was, you know, a whole crew of Wharf Rats, 2818 02:36:05,804 --> 02:36:08,507 who were people following the 12-step path, 2819 02:36:08,540 --> 02:36:11,476 who would have meetings during the set breaks. 2820 02:36:13,845 --> 02:36:16,681 Spinners would be out in the hall, you know, 2821 02:36:16,715 --> 02:36:19,818 having literally religious experiences 2822 02:36:19,851 --> 02:36:21,620 because they thought Garcia was a prophet, 2823 02:36:21,653 --> 02:36:23,588 and they'd be bowing down. 2824 02:36:25,724 --> 02:36:27,225 Or there were tapers. 2825 02:36:27,258 --> 02:36:28,960 They would, you know, 2826 02:36:28,993 --> 02:36:31,462 go there with all their gear and set up their gear. 2827 02:36:33,064 --> 02:36:35,834 ♪ The wind in the willow's playing "Tea For Two" ♪ 2828 02:36:38,737 --> 02:36:42,073 ♪ The sky was yellow, and the sun was blue ♪ 2829 02:36:44,743 --> 02:36:47,912 ♪ Strangers stopping strangers ♪ 2830 02:36:47,946 --> 02:36:50,782 ♪ Just to shake their hand 2831 02:36:50,815 --> 02:36:53,752 ♪ Everybody's playing 2832 02:36:53,785 --> 02:36:57,656 ♪ In the heart of gold band, heart of gold band ♪ 2833 02:36:57,689 --> 02:36:59,824 When I first started going to Dead shows, 2834 02:36:59,858 --> 02:37:04,863 they didn't yet have explicit permission from the band, 2835 02:37:04,896 --> 02:37:07,265 so it was still in a sense a form of bootlegging. 2836 02:37:09,568 --> 02:37:11,169 Weir: Portable recording equipment 2837 02:37:11,202 --> 02:37:13,204 was getting pretty good. 2838 02:37:13,237 --> 02:37:15,640 And people started showing up at our shows 2839 02:37:15,674 --> 02:37:17,542 with expensive equipment... 2840 02:37:17,576 --> 02:37:19,778 Nice microphones, all that kind of stuff... 2841 02:37:19,811 --> 02:37:21,112 Recording the shows, 2842 02:37:21,145 --> 02:37:23,582 and the record company wanted to, you know, 2843 02:37:23,615 --> 02:37:26,117 "We gotta shut that down," uh, you know, 2844 02:37:26,150 --> 02:37:28,119 "because those people are gonna record your shows, 2845 02:37:28,152 --> 02:37:30,188 and then they're not gonna buy our records." 2846 02:37:30,221 --> 02:37:32,223 We were confronted with two options: 2847 02:37:32,256 --> 02:37:35,026 we can either be cops, or we can let 'em in. 2848 02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:38,630 We didn't want to be cops. 2849 02:37:38,663 --> 02:37:39,864 Whoo! 2850 02:37:39,898 --> 02:37:42,000 ♪ Shakin' on Shakedown Street ♪ 2851 02:37:44,135 --> 02:37:46,337 ♪ Used to be the heart of town ♪ 2852 02:37:46,370 --> 02:37:50,008 How do you feel about people taping Grateful Dead concerts 2853 02:37:50,041 --> 02:37:51,876 and trading the tapes? 2854 02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:53,277 Garcia: Hey, when I'm done with it, 2855 02:37:53,311 --> 02:37:54,946 if somebody can find use for our music 2856 02:37:54,979 --> 02:37:56,915 after it's been performed, fine with me. 2857 02:37:58,049 --> 02:38:00,819 As it turns out, we get credit 2858 02:38:00,852 --> 02:38:04,355 for all kinds of visionary business practices 2859 02:38:04,388 --> 02:38:05,757 and stuff like that. 2860 02:38:05,790 --> 02:38:07,167 We were just doing the easiest thing. 2861 02:38:07,191 --> 02:38:08,793 In fact, what happened was, 2862 02:38:08,827 --> 02:38:10,862 this was the greatest promo tool 2863 02:38:10,895 --> 02:38:13,231 in the history of music. 2864 02:38:13,264 --> 02:38:18,136 You give away your music... Your recorded music, 2865 02:38:18,169 --> 02:38:20,071 and you make your money on selling tickets. 2866 02:38:20,104 --> 02:38:22,206 ♪ Maybe you had too much too fast ♪ 2867 02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:24,108 And since every show is different, 2868 02:38:24,142 --> 02:38:25,744 you could record every show, 2869 02:38:25,777 --> 02:38:27,254 and you still wouldn't have heard it all, 2870 02:38:27,278 --> 02:38:29,380 and you'd still want to go to that next show. 2871 02:38:29,413 --> 02:38:31,215 ♪ Maybe you had too much too fast ♪ 2872 02:38:31,249 --> 02:38:33,918 We doubled or tripled our audience. Why? 2873 02:38:33,952 --> 02:38:34,992 Largely because of taping. 2874 02:38:36,054 --> 02:38:37,054 Yow! 2875 02:38:41,693 --> 02:38:44,863 My generation got into it mainly through tapes. 2876 02:38:46,297 --> 02:38:48,399 The core of the canon reached people 2877 02:38:48,432 --> 02:38:50,835 through this hand-traded stuff. 2878 02:38:50,869 --> 02:38:52,804 If this plays, it's a miracle. 2879 02:38:56,775 --> 02:38:58,342 I went to boarding school. 2880 02:38:58,376 --> 02:38:59,978 You know, we were in a place 2881 02:39:00,011 --> 02:39:01,412 where there wasn't much else to do 2882 02:39:01,445 --> 02:39:02,947 besides, you know, sit around 2883 02:39:02,981 --> 02:39:04,883 and listen to music and talk. 2884 02:39:04,916 --> 02:39:06,985 You start to discover that some people, 2885 02:39:07,018 --> 02:39:09,153 the older people, have, you know, 2886 02:39:09,187 --> 02:39:12,724 100, 150, 200 Grateful Dead tapes. 2887 02:39:12,757 --> 02:39:14,726 Well, you listen to one, 2888 02:39:14,759 --> 02:39:16,303 and you begin to understand what's going on in that tape, 2889 02:39:16,327 --> 02:39:17,896 and you become interested in it. 2890 02:39:17,929 --> 02:39:19,306 You listen to it over and over again. 2891 02:39:19,330 --> 02:39:21,099 And then you get another one, 2892 02:39:21,132 --> 02:39:22,877 and you begin to learn what's going on in that one, 2893 02:39:22,901 --> 02:39:24,344 and you begin to understand the language of that one. 2894 02:39:24,368 --> 02:39:25,870 Play. 2895 02:39:27,371 --> 02:39:29,240 And, you know, over time... 2896 02:39:30,909 --> 02:39:32,243 you build up this collection, 2897 02:39:32,276 --> 02:39:34,012 and you listen to them enough 2898 02:39:34,045 --> 02:39:36,180 so that you begin to see an arrangement in a sequence 2899 02:39:36,214 --> 02:39:38,382 and a narrative of the band's performances 2900 02:39:38,416 --> 02:39:40,251 as are represented by these tapes, 2901 02:39:40,284 --> 02:39:42,854 which, you know, are little snapshots 2902 02:39:42,887 --> 02:39:45,757 from each year, each tour. 2903 02:39:50,261 --> 02:39:52,072 To start with, you know, you're not really aware 2904 02:39:52,096 --> 02:39:55,399 of one year being different from another, 2905 02:39:55,433 --> 02:39:57,736 but after a while, you begin to say "Oh, you know, 2906 02:39:57,769 --> 02:39:59,137 1971 sounds like this." 2907 02:40:07,211 --> 02:40:09,313 1973 sounds like this. 2908 02:40:14,452 --> 02:40:17,021 Later, you learn that there was variation 2909 02:40:17,055 --> 02:40:19,958 even within that year, within that week, within each night. 2910 02:40:22,060 --> 02:40:23,862 I think that's part of the appeal. 2911 02:40:23,895 --> 02:40:25,339 You start to understand what's going on in the music. 2912 02:40:25,363 --> 02:40:27,098 You hear the patterns. 2913 02:40:27,131 --> 02:40:29,768 You hear the deviations from the patterns. 2914 02:40:29,801 --> 02:40:32,804 The differences between recordings 2915 02:40:32,837 --> 02:40:34,839 makes it seems alive. 2916 02:40:34,873 --> 02:40:37,008 ♪ Dancin' in the street 2917 02:40:37,041 --> 02:40:39,410 ♪ Dance in Chicago 2918 02:40:39,443 --> 02:40:41,045 You're really hearing 2919 02:40:41,079 --> 02:40:42,781 how each, you know, musical performance 2920 02:40:42,814 --> 02:40:44,182 represents an evolution 2921 02:40:44,215 --> 02:40:46,084 or devolution of the band over time. 2922 02:40:46,117 --> 02:40:48,152 ♪ Dancin', dancin' 2923 02:40:48,186 --> 02:40:49,988 ♪ Dancin' in the streets 2924 02:40:50,021 --> 02:40:52,223 ♪ Dancin', dancin' 2925 02:40:52,256 --> 02:40:54,092 ♪ dancin' in the streets 2926 02:40:54,125 --> 02:40:55,860 For the discerning Deadhead, 2927 02:40:55,894 --> 02:40:58,296 it's sort of an endlessly fascinating body of work 2928 02:40:58,329 --> 02:41:01,299 to say this one... This one's good in this way, 2929 02:41:01,332 --> 02:41:03,201 and this one's not good in this way. 2930 02:41:03,234 --> 02:41:04,468 You know, this one... 2931 02:41:04,502 --> 02:41:06,270 This one's really good, and this is why. 2932 02:41:10,474 --> 02:41:12,911 There's a central irony to the whole thing, 2933 02:41:12,944 --> 02:41:15,513 which is the band that was sort of most dedicated 2934 02:41:15,546 --> 02:41:17,415 to the ephemeral experience of playing live, 2935 02:41:17,448 --> 02:41:19,818 performing something once in a certain way, 2936 02:41:19,851 --> 02:41:21,352 is the band that's been sort of 2937 02:41:21,385 --> 02:41:25,957 most obsessively recorded and catalogued in history. 2938 02:41:31,095 --> 02:41:34,265 You know, I never had a great collection. 2939 02:41:34,298 --> 02:41:36,100 In fact, some of the people 2940 02:41:36,134 --> 02:41:37,435 that had the great collections, 2941 02:41:37,468 --> 02:41:38,970 I mean, they were... 2942 02:41:39,003 --> 02:41:40,504 They were weird, you know? 2943 02:41:46,878 --> 02:41:48,212 Al Franken: You know, I mean, 2944 02:41:48,246 --> 02:41:50,014 I've listened to a million "Althea" s. 2945 02:41:51,182 --> 02:41:53,885 Now I very much focus on, like, 2946 02:41:53,918 --> 02:41:56,354 what year when an "Althea" was played. 2947 02:41:57,621 --> 02:42:00,825 The "Althea," uh, 2948 02:42:00,859 --> 02:42:03,294 from, I think it's May, 1980, 2949 02:42:03,327 --> 02:42:05,396 Nassau Coliseum, 2950 02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:10,468 to me is, like, the most hair-raising solo. 2951 02:42:12,570 --> 02:42:16,074 My God, that solo is unbelievable. 2952 02:42:19,043 --> 02:42:21,512 It was so unbelievably great. 2953 02:42:25,917 --> 02:42:27,118 You tell me... You... 2954 02:42:27,151 --> 02:42:29,620 Hampton is one of your favorites, right? 2955 02:42:36,094 --> 02:42:39,030 So I listened to the "Althea" from that, 2956 02:42:39,063 --> 02:42:42,166 and that has the flavor of that one, 2957 02:42:42,200 --> 02:42:44,202 but it ain't that one. 2958 02:43:04,255 --> 02:43:05,966 - Did you listen to it? - Amir Bar Lev: Yeah. 2959 02:43:05,990 --> 02:43:07,992 - Am I right? - Yeah. 2960 02:43:15,099 --> 02:43:18,436 Only Deadheads would, like, talk like that. 2961 02:43:23,174 --> 02:43:24,551 Silberman: Believe me, after you'd heard 2962 02:43:24,575 --> 02:43:27,478 150 versions of a particular song, 2963 02:43:27,511 --> 02:43:30,448 you'd have a kind of platonic form of the leads, 2964 02:43:30,481 --> 02:43:32,316 or whatever, like, in your head. 2965 02:43:32,350 --> 02:43:34,986 And then Jerry would play something slightly better. 2966 02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:41,025 So I would have to sort of negotiate with myself. 2967 02:43:41,059 --> 02:43:43,962 It would be like, "Well, I saw the last six shows, 2968 02:43:43,995 --> 02:43:46,497 so do I really need to see the next two?" you know. 2969 02:43:46,530 --> 02:43:48,632 But inevitably I would end up, like, hearing 2970 02:43:48,666 --> 02:43:50,410 about what they'd played on the night that I didn't go, 2971 02:43:50,434 --> 02:43:51,535 and I'd be like, "Fuck." 2972 02:43:51,569 --> 02:43:53,237 The Dead had a way 2973 02:43:53,271 --> 02:43:55,006 of sort of frustrating your attempts 2974 02:43:55,039 --> 02:43:57,075 to moderate the obsession. 2975 02:43:57,108 --> 02:43:59,277 You guys got any extra tickets for tonight? 2976 02:43:59,310 --> 02:44:01,045 - I don't have any extra ones... - Come on. 2977 02:44:01,079 --> 02:44:02,322 - ...for tonight myself. - You don't? 2978 02:44:02,346 --> 02:44:04,115 But I'm sure they'll be around. 2979 02:44:04,148 --> 02:44:05,459 - You goin'? - Oh, of course we're goin'. 2980 02:44:05,483 --> 02:44:07,018 All right. You go last night? 2981 02:44:07,051 --> 02:44:08,619 Oh, yeah. 2982 02:44:08,652 --> 02:44:11,355 Boy, that was a good jam, wasn't it? 2983 02:44:19,563 --> 02:44:21,032 Man: Where'd you guys come from? 2984 02:44:21,065 --> 02:44:22,333 Rhode Island. 2985 02:44:22,366 --> 02:44:24,368 All the way from Rhode Island to see the Dead. 2986 02:44:24,402 --> 02:44:26,037 Took us a week to get here. 2987 02:44:26,070 --> 02:44:27,438 We had a hell of a time, man. 2988 02:44:27,471 --> 02:44:29,673 Two months to get back home. 2989 02:44:29,707 --> 02:44:32,543 I left last week, and it took six days to get here. 2990 02:44:33,777 --> 02:44:35,646 It was pretty fun on the way. 2991 02:44:35,679 --> 02:44:37,281 Spent Christmas in Arcata. 2992 02:44:37,315 --> 02:44:40,251 Anything within 600 miles is automatic. 2993 02:44:40,284 --> 02:44:42,020 You can make that in one night 2994 02:44:42,053 --> 02:44:44,288 and still make it to work in the morning. 2995 02:44:44,322 --> 02:44:46,357 Last night was my 45th show this year. 2996 02:44:46,390 --> 02:44:48,459 I make almost all the shows of the year. 2997 02:44:48,492 --> 02:44:51,262 I drive that big Ford. 2998 02:44:51,295 --> 02:44:53,664 And you guys, uh, off the record, 2999 02:44:53,697 --> 02:44:55,566 are welcome to smoke a joint with us. 3000 02:44:57,468 --> 02:44:59,103 But I really need a miracle for tonight, 3001 02:44:59,137 --> 02:45:01,339 you know, like, I'd like to be holdin' a ticket. 3002 02:45:01,372 --> 02:45:03,307 You know what I mean? I really would. 3003 02:45:03,341 --> 02:45:06,610 ♪ I need a miracle every day 3004 02:45:06,644 --> 02:45:08,146 Got any tickets? 3005 02:45:08,179 --> 02:45:10,148 ♪ It takes dynamite to get me up ♪ 3006 02:45:10,181 --> 02:45:12,650 Help me, please! 3007 02:45:12,683 --> 02:45:15,553 ♪ Too much of everything is just enough ♪ 3008 02:45:15,586 --> 02:45:19,523 ♪ One more thing I just got to say ♪ 3009 02:45:19,557 --> 02:45:23,094 ♪ I need a miracle every day 3010 02:45:25,363 --> 02:45:28,399 You know, I started going to see them in 1984, 3011 02:45:28,432 --> 02:45:30,601 and I remember at that point, they still... 3012 02:45:30,634 --> 02:45:32,736 Still were a strange, 3013 02:45:32,770 --> 02:45:35,273 forgotten, almost sixties cult 3014 02:45:35,306 --> 02:45:37,108 that was sort of shambling around America 3015 02:45:37,141 --> 02:45:39,477 pretty much ignored by the culture at large. 3016 02:45:41,179 --> 02:45:45,049 It was a pretty intense, small scene. 3017 02:45:45,083 --> 02:45:47,318 It was overwhelming, and it was kind of scary. 3018 02:45:47,351 --> 02:45:49,187 We were 15. 3019 02:45:49,220 --> 02:45:51,122 You know, I was sort of a clean-cut kid, 3020 02:45:51,155 --> 02:45:53,424 and it was not a clean-cut scene necessarily. 3021 02:45:53,457 --> 02:45:55,059 What'cha need? 3022 02:45:55,093 --> 02:45:59,497 The sense of menace was always there. 3023 02:45:59,530 --> 02:46:01,365 Which I didn't quite understand myself. 3024 02:46:01,399 --> 02:46:02,476 You know, the bikers that would go, 3025 02:46:02,500 --> 02:46:03,734 rough guys, there were drunks. 3026 02:46:03,767 --> 02:46:05,503 I didn't, kind of, get that part. 3027 02:46:05,536 --> 02:46:06,737 Fuck off, you. 3028 02:46:06,770 --> 02:46:08,406 Franken: You know, I'm a very, 3029 02:46:08,439 --> 02:46:10,308 you know, gentle person. 3030 02:46:10,341 --> 02:46:12,810 Nick Paumgarten: And sometimes it was just a madhouse. 3031 02:46:12,843 --> 02:46:16,614 So that... that aspect of it just frightened me. 3032 02:46:18,549 --> 02:46:19,750 I remember, sort of, 3033 02:46:19,783 --> 02:46:21,285 survival was sort of the thing 3034 02:46:21,319 --> 02:46:22,786 when I went to shows... 3035 02:46:22,820 --> 02:46:26,290 Surviving the crowds and the bathroom lines. 3036 02:46:27,358 --> 02:46:28,592 Franken: I couldn't go 3037 02:46:28,626 --> 02:46:29,827 to the bathroom there. 3038 02:46:29,860 --> 02:46:32,196 And, I remember, like, Deadheads 3039 02:46:32,230 --> 02:46:34,598 who were barefoot going in 3040 02:46:34,632 --> 02:46:36,234 to go the bathroom, 3041 02:46:36,267 --> 02:46:38,402 and I was, like, going like... 3042 02:46:38,436 --> 02:46:40,638 I can't handle that. 3043 02:46:42,273 --> 02:46:43,774 Man: Thank you. Thank you very much. 3044 02:46:43,807 --> 02:46:45,709 - Thank you. - Welcome in, folks. 3045 02:46:45,743 --> 02:46:48,812 Walk, walk, walk. Don't run, don't run! 3046 02:46:48,846 --> 02:46:50,181 - Walk. - Here you go. 3047 02:46:52,716 --> 02:46:54,552 Paumgarten: It was not like, you know, 3048 02:46:54,585 --> 02:46:56,120 being a middle-aged guy 3049 02:46:56,154 --> 02:46:58,189 going to see a show with your seat number 3050 02:46:58,222 --> 02:47:00,558 and showing up and maybe getting an IPA 3051 02:47:00,591 --> 02:47:01,892 and being shown to your seat 3052 02:47:01,925 --> 02:47:03,527 and sitting there and being like, "Oh, 3053 02:47:03,561 --> 02:47:05,496 this is a nice presentation of decent music." 3054 02:47:05,529 --> 02:47:08,566 It was... It was... It was an adventure. 3055 02:47:12,936 --> 02:47:14,638 ♪ Well, I was feelin' 3056 02:47:15,906 --> 02:47:17,375 ♪ So bad now 3057 02:47:19,343 --> 02:47:22,580 ♪ Asked my family doctor 'bout what I had done ♪ 3058 02:47:23,881 --> 02:47:25,316 ♪ I said now, Doctor 3059 02:47:25,349 --> 02:47:26,584 ♪ Doctor 3060 02:47:26,617 --> 02:47:27,651 ♪ Mr. M.D. 3061 02:47:27,685 --> 02:47:29,220 ♪ Doctor 3062 02:47:29,253 --> 02:47:30,621 ♪ Ow, can you tell me 3063 02:47:30,654 --> 02:47:31,855 ♪ Doctor 3064 02:47:31,889 --> 02:47:33,291 ♪ What's ailing me 3065 02:47:33,324 --> 02:47:34,658 ♪ Doctor 3066 02:47:34,692 --> 02:47:36,727 ♪ He said Yeah, yeah, yeah 3067 02:47:36,760 --> 02:47:38,329 ♪ Yeah, yeah 3068 02:47:38,362 --> 02:47:40,364 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 3069 02:47:40,398 --> 02:47:41,399 ♪ All you need 3070 02:47:42,766 --> 02:47:45,303 ♪ All you really need 3071 02:47:45,336 --> 02:47:46,904 ♪ Is good lovin' 3072 02:47:46,937 --> 02:47:48,406 ♪ Because you got to have lovin' ♪ 3073 02:47:48,439 --> 02:47:49,773 Weir: And as the years went by... 3074 02:47:49,807 --> 02:47:51,509 ♪ Well, you got to have lovin' ♪ 3075 02:47:51,542 --> 02:47:52,676 we just got better at it. 3076 02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:54,245 ♪ A little bit of lovin' 3077 02:47:54,278 --> 02:47:55,379 ♪ Good lovin' 3078 02:47:55,413 --> 02:47:56,614 And then, 3079 02:47:56,647 --> 02:47:58,916 when Brent started playing with us, 3080 02:47:58,949 --> 02:48:01,352 we had three really good, strong singers. 3081 02:48:01,385 --> 02:48:03,521 We could really knock it out of the park 3082 02:48:03,554 --> 02:48:05,189 with our choral vocals. 3083 02:48:05,223 --> 02:48:06,457 ♪ Don't you want your daddy 3084 02:48:06,490 --> 02:48:07,791 ♪ To be all right? 3085 02:48:07,825 --> 02:48:09,503 Paumgarten: After Keith and Donna Jean Godchaux 3086 02:48:09,527 --> 02:48:10,694 left the band, 3087 02:48:10,728 --> 02:48:12,763 they brought in Brent Mydland, 3088 02:48:12,796 --> 02:48:15,499 who was a fabulous keyboard player 3089 02:48:15,533 --> 02:48:17,668 and a wonderful singer, actually. 3090 02:48:17,701 --> 02:48:20,271 He really revitalized the backup singing for the band 3091 02:48:20,304 --> 02:48:23,607 and gave it some muscle, made the sound bigger. 3092 02:48:23,641 --> 02:48:25,809 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 3093 02:48:25,843 --> 02:48:27,211 ♪ All you need 3094 02:48:27,245 --> 02:48:28,512 You know, and it seemed like, 3095 02:48:28,546 --> 02:48:30,814 for a while, that they were feeling it. 3096 02:48:30,848 --> 02:48:32,816 ♪ Is good lovin' 3097 02:48:32,850 --> 02:48:34,618 ♪ Well, you got to have lovin' ♪ 3098 02:48:34,652 --> 02:48:35,886 ♪ Good lovin' 3099 02:48:35,919 --> 02:48:36,963 ♪ And you gotta have lovin' 3100 02:48:36,987 --> 02:48:38,556 ♪ Good lovin' 3101 02:48:38,589 --> 02:48:39,923 ♪ Oh, a little good lovin' 3102 02:48:39,957 --> 02:48:40,958 ♪ Good lovin' 3103 02:48:40,991 --> 02:48:42,460 Get it on! 3104 02:48:42,493 --> 02:48:43,594 ♪ Good lovin' 3105 02:48:45,796 --> 02:48:48,332 ♪ Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme some lovin' ♪ 3106 02:48:48,366 --> 02:48:50,734 ♪ Ah, you gotta have lovin' 3107 02:48:50,768 --> 02:48:52,336 ♪ Good lovin' 3108 02:48:52,370 --> 02:48:54,004 ♪ Gimme, gimme, gimme some lovin' ♪ 3109 02:48:54,037 --> 02:48:55,406 - ♪ Good lovin' - ♪ Ah 3110 02:48:55,439 --> 02:48:56,607 Silberman: There was something 3111 02:48:56,640 --> 02:48:58,242 that was uncanny 3112 02:48:58,276 --> 02:49:00,944 about the wave form of a Grateful Dead show. 3113 02:49:00,978 --> 02:49:02,880 - ♪ Got to have lovin' - ♪ Good lovin' 3114 02:49:02,913 --> 02:49:04,648 You know, there were two sets. 3115 02:49:04,682 --> 02:49:07,918 The first set was usually more contained musically. 3116 02:49:09,320 --> 02:49:10,688 There would be more kind of 3117 02:49:10,721 --> 02:49:13,491 chorus, verse, you know, structure of the songs. 3118 02:49:16,294 --> 02:49:17,861 But then, in the second set, 3119 02:49:17,895 --> 02:49:20,898 almost anything could happen. 3120 02:49:23,767 --> 02:49:26,637 There would be a period in the second set 3121 02:49:26,670 --> 02:49:28,806 where you would be actually brought back 3122 02:49:28,839 --> 02:49:33,577 to the very elemental essence of music 3123 02:49:33,611 --> 02:49:35,479 by the drums and space sections. 3124 02:49:44,555 --> 02:49:46,690 Percussive rhythms from the jungle... 3125 02:49:48,492 --> 02:49:50,961 or from the desert in the Middle East. 3126 02:49:56,099 --> 02:49:58,336 Hart: The idea is to take the audience 3127 02:49:58,369 --> 02:50:00,504 on a trip, you know, on a journey. 3128 02:50:07,678 --> 02:50:10,414 If you asked me what business I was in, 3129 02:50:10,448 --> 02:50:12,450 I would say transportation. 3130 02:50:14,752 --> 02:50:16,920 We're in the transportation business. 3131 02:50:34,104 --> 02:50:37,007 Silberman: I think that what made Grateful Dead music 3132 02:50:37,040 --> 02:50:39,610 so appealing for people who were tripping 3133 02:50:39,643 --> 02:50:43,647 was that it was a way of having experiences 3134 02:50:43,681 --> 02:50:46,684 that were almost a primordial initiation. 3135 02:50:55,092 --> 02:50:57,461 Like in cultures where 3136 02:50:57,495 --> 02:51:00,130 young men would be taken away from their parents, 3137 02:51:00,163 --> 02:51:01,699 often by a Shaman. 3138 02:51:03,601 --> 02:51:05,002 You know, they would have to spend, 3139 02:51:05,035 --> 02:51:08,572 like, three days in the wilderness, fasting, 3140 02:51:08,606 --> 02:51:12,410 learning that the world was serious 3141 02:51:12,443 --> 02:51:14,378 instead of superficial. 3142 02:51:16,113 --> 02:51:19,417 Learning that things like life and death were real. 3143 02:51:21,519 --> 02:51:22,720 Becoming an adult. 3144 02:51:33,697 --> 02:51:35,633 It's not to say that, you know, 3145 02:51:35,666 --> 02:51:38,902 people couldn't enjoy Dead shows while they were sober, 3146 02:51:38,936 --> 02:51:40,871 but for people who, you know, 3147 02:51:40,904 --> 02:51:43,040 were taking psychedelics like me, 3148 02:51:43,073 --> 02:51:46,410 which I did hundreds of times at Dead shows, 3149 02:51:46,444 --> 02:51:49,513 it was an absolutely exquisite opportunity 3150 02:51:49,547 --> 02:51:51,615 to explore this rich 3151 02:51:51,649 --> 02:51:52,883 musical tradition 3152 02:51:52,916 --> 02:51:54,618 that they were sort of serving up, 3153 02:51:54,652 --> 02:51:56,119 you know, nightly, 3154 02:51:56,153 --> 02:51:59,389 in this incredibly well architected form. 3155 02:52:08,966 --> 02:52:12,002 And then you'd be returned to the, kind of, human world 3156 02:52:12,035 --> 02:52:15,439 through the ballads that Jerry would sing. 3157 02:52:16,974 --> 02:52:19,477 Like, Jerry would often come out of space 3158 02:52:19,510 --> 02:52:20,744 with "Stella Blue." 3159 02:52:22,713 --> 02:52:25,883 It was as if he had found a place to stand 3160 02:52:25,916 --> 02:52:29,119 in the middle of the universe 3161 02:52:29,152 --> 02:52:32,656 where he could look at everything outside of him 3162 02:52:32,690 --> 02:52:36,026 and utter something meaningful about it. 3163 02:52:38,529 --> 02:52:42,032 ♪ All the years combine 3164 02:52:47,505 --> 02:52:51,909 ♪ They melt into a dream 3165 02:52:56,780 --> 02:53:01,018 ♪ A broken angel sings 3166 02:53:01,051 --> 02:53:06,490 You know, a very common experience about psychedelics 3167 02:53:06,524 --> 02:53:08,191 is that you feel like you're on the verge 3168 02:53:08,225 --> 02:53:11,028 of sort of cracking the cosmic koan 3169 02:53:11,061 --> 02:53:13,531 or getting the cosmic joke or something. 3170 02:53:14,765 --> 02:53:16,600 And then it would slip away. 3171 02:53:16,634 --> 02:53:21,104 ♪ It all rolls into one 3172 02:53:21,138 --> 02:53:24,842 And, I think the lyrics kind of flirted with that... 3173 02:53:24,875 --> 02:53:26,610 ♪ And nothing... 3174 02:53:26,644 --> 02:53:29,947 where they would, you know, almost hand you something 3175 02:53:29,980 --> 02:53:32,550 that sounded like the big answer, 3176 02:53:32,583 --> 02:53:35,819 but then it was, you know, ever so slightly slippery. 3177 02:53:35,853 --> 02:53:42,092 ♪ There's nothing you can hold ♪ 3178 02:53:42,125 --> 02:53:44,928 ♪ For very long 3179 02:53:46,296 --> 02:53:47,898 Paumgarten: The lyrics for me... 3180 02:53:47,931 --> 02:53:49,900 The good ones... 3181 02:53:49,933 --> 02:53:53,003 They do hang around like scraps of important poetry. 3182 02:53:53,036 --> 02:53:56,139 ♪ Stella Blue 3183 02:53:56,173 --> 02:53:58,676 There's something ingenious about Hunter 3184 02:53:58,709 --> 02:54:00,944 where the lyrics all have these level 3185 02:54:00,978 --> 02:54:04,014 of involving the listener in whatever story's being told. 3186 02:54:04,047 --> 02:54:07,751 ♪ Stella Blue 3187 02:54:09,086 --> 02:54:12,656 Robert Hunter was a very subtle lyricist. 3188 02:54:14,124 --> 02:54:16,326 Trist: He was part of the Grateful Dead 3189 02:54:16,359 --> 02:54:18,929 because he was creating the words they sang. 3190 02:54:21,865 --> 02:54:25,669 Always referring back to those roots 3191 02:54:25,703 --> 02:54:29,973 that we shared in the early sixties. 3192 02:54:30,007 --> 02:54:33,677 McNally: Hunter was Jerry's partner on every level. 3193 02:54:33,711 --> 02:54:36,980 They were close enough. They went back far enough 3194 02:54:37,014 --> 02:54:40,250 that Hunter could be the source of words 3195 02:54:40,283 --> 02:54:43,220 and Jerry could be comfortable singing them. 3196 02:54:43,253 --> 02:54:45,255 Garcia: I can't get on stage and sing a song 3197 02:54:45,288 --> 02:54:48,191 that doesn't have some emotional reality for me. 3198 02:54:48,225 --> 02:54:52,329 Hunter is very good about writing into my beliefs. 3199 02:54:52,362 --> 02:54:53,664 You know? 3200 02:54:53,697 --> 02:54:56,834 He... He understands the way I think. 3201 02:54:56,867 --> 02:54:59,236 Silberman: His lyrics seem to come 3202 02:54:59,269 --> 02:55:01,605 out of a much older world 3203 02:55:01,639 --> 02:55:04,207 than they literally came out of. 3204 02:55:04,241 --> 02:55:07,210 ♪ In the timbers to Fennario 3205 02:55:07,244 --> 02:55:10,047 ♪ The wolves are running round ♪ 3206 02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:12,315 It was like those songs came 3207 02:55:12,349 --> 02:55:18,756 from some kind of subterranean old, weird America. 3208 02:55:18,789 --> 02:55:21,892 ♪ I beg of you, don't murder me ♪ 3209 02:55:21,925 --> 02:55:25,028 One that had important information in it. 3210 02:55:25,062 --> 02:55:26,964 ♪ Please don't murder me 3211 02:55:26,997 --> 02:55:28,298 That you would kind of have to 3212 02:55:28,331 --> 02:55:30,300 live your way up to understanding. 3213 02:55:30,333 --> 02:55:33,704 Weir: Hunter's got his own window 3214 02:55:33,737 --> 02:55:38,041 into what those songs are about, 3215 02:55:38,075 --> 02:55:39,376 what they mean to him. 3216 02:55:40,678 --> 02:55:43,947 He's notoriously reclusive, 3217 02:55:43,981 --> 02:55:46,850 uh, so I doubt that he would be willing 3218 02:55:46,884 --> 02:55:48,852 to sit for an interview, but he might. 3219 02:55:48,886 --> 02:55:52,723 I could call him and... Or text him or something. 3220 02:55:52,756 --> 02:55:55,893 If you can get him to talk, it'd be interesting to see. 3221 02:55:59,930 --> 02:56:02,099 I think a lot of times, people want to know 3222 02:56:02,132 --> 02:56:06,203 what he meant by this or that line. 3223 02:56:06,236 --> 02:56:08,405 No artist wants to sit there 3224 02:56:08,438 --> 02:56:11,675 and explain why he did what he did. 3225 02:56:11,709 --> 02:56:15,345 It's sort of counter 3226 02:56:15,378 --> 02:56:19,249 to the whole point of doing something artistic. 3227 02:56:19,282 --> 02:56:20,851 Well, it is fun 3228 02:56:20,884 --> 02:56:23,887 to learn how songs are written, right? 3229 02:56:23,921 --> 02:56:24,921 I guess. 3230 02:56:26,289 --> 02:56:28,325 Generally speaking, when I listen to a song, 3231 02:56:28,358 --> 02:56:29,760 you know, I don't ponder. 3232 02:56:29,793 --> 02:56:31,361 "What was he trying to get at here?" 3233 02:56:31,394 --> 02:56:34,264 I always do that. 3234 02:56:34,297 --> 02:56:35,966 I always try to figure out 3235 02:56:35,999 --> 02:56:39,169 what the words mean... What do they mean? 3236 02:56:39,202 --> 02:56:40,771 What's... 3237 02:56:40,804 --> 02:56:43,340 But it takes all kinds right? 3238 02:56:43,373 --> 02:56:44,842 Mm-hmm. 3239 02:56:44,875 --> 02:56:46,710 But he knows we're coming, right? 3240 02:56:46,744 --> 02:56:47,978 Bar Lev: No, he does not. 3241 02:56:48,011 --> 02:56:49,880 Ah, okay. 3242 02:56:49,913 --> 02:56:54,184 You know, Robert Hunter was a very elusive person. 3243 02:56:55,853 --> 02:57:00,023 He did not like photographs circulating of him. 3244 02:57:00,057 --> 02:57:02,826 He wouldn't even appear in public for many years 3245 02:57:02,860 --> 02:57:06,496 because he wanted to retain his anonymity. 3246 02:57:06,529 --> 02:57:08,866 Hunter would just kind of appear, 3247 02:57:08,899 --> 02:57:12,736 or he would disappear whenever he wanted to. 3248 02:57:12,770 --> 02:57:15,739 That's who the guy is. 3249 02:57:15,773 --> 02:57:18,175 And that's why his lyrics suggest... 3250 02:57:19,476 --> 02:57:22,412 "I'm anywhere you want me to be. 3251 02:57:22,445 --> 02:57:24,214 You can't catch me." 3252 02:57:27,484 --> 02:57:31,521 This is a man who will pull out a gun and shoot you 3253 02:57:31,554 --> 02:57:33,824 if you start, you know, analyzing his lyrics. 3254 02:57:33,857 --> 02:57:36,193 He will not answer questions like that. 3255 02:57:36,226 --> 02:57:38,128 No, you can't exp... Nobody w... 3256 02:57:38,161 --> 02:57:40,363 Well, I can't explain his songs, no. 3257 02:57:40,397 --> 02:57:42,265 McNally: He won't do it, nor should he. 3258 02:57:42,299 --> 02:57:45,502 If he did, the illusion would be gone, 3259 02:57:45,535 --> 02:57:48,171 and that ain't no fun, you know? 3260 02:57:51,141 --> 02:57:55,879 Silberman: His lyrics were not easily cast 3261 02:57:55,913 --> 02:57:58,215 into some narrow range of meaning. 3262 02:58:00,483 --> 02:58:02,119 You know, it's like, 3263 02:58:02,152 --> 02:58:03,821 I love the lyric to "Dark Star," 3264 02:58:03,854 --> 02:58:05,422 even though it's one of the most... 3265 02:58:05,455 --> 02:58:10,060 You know, you can't explain what it means. 3266 02:58:10,093 --> 02:58:11,962 Well, let's see. 3267 02:58:11,995 --> 02:58:13,964 Dark star crashes, 3268 02:58:13,997 --> 02:58:15,298 pouring its light into the ashes. 3269 02:58:15,332 --> 02:58:17,067 Reason tatters. 3270 02:58:17,100 --> 02:58:20,003 The forces tear loose from the axis. 3271 02:58:20,037 --> 02:58:23,040 Uh, searchlight casting for faults 3272 02:58:23,073 --> 02:58:24,875 in the clouds of delusion. 3273 02:58:24,908 --> 02:58:26,343 Shall we go, you and I, 3274 02:58:26,376 --> 02:58:28,078 while we can, 3275 02:58:28,111 --> 02:58:30,580 through the transitive nightfall of diamonds? 3276 02:58:30,613 --> 02:58:32,249 What is unclear about that? 3277 02:58:32,282 --> 02:58:35,085 I mean, it says what it means. 3278 02:58:36,319 --> 02:58:41,491 ♪ Dark star crashes 3279 02:58:42,625 --> 02:58:45,863 ♪ Pouring its light 3280 02:58:45,896 --> 02:58:49,566 ♪ Through ashes 3281 02:58:49,599 --> 02:58:51,168 ♪ Reason... 3282 02:58:51,201 --> 02:58:55,038 Godchaux: The lyrics are worded in such a way 3283 02:58:55,072 --> 02:58:59,009 that anybody who hears a Grateful Dead song 3284 02:58:59,042 --> 02:59:01,178 can interpret it 3285 02:59:01,211 --> 02:59:04,314 so that it becomes meaningful 3286 02:59:04,347 --> 02:59:06,516 to their own life. 3287 02:59:06,549 --> 02:59:08,418 It is so personal 3288 02:59:08,451 --> 02:59:12,089 to each and every person who listens to it, 3289 02:59:12,122 --> 02:59:15,325 it belongs to you, honey. 3290 02:59:15,358 --> 02:59:16,359 It's yours. 3291 02:59:16,393 --> 02:59:20,197 ♪ Shall we go 3292 02:59:20,230 --> 02:59:26,003 ♪ You and I, while we can? 3293 02:59:26,036 --> 02:59:28,371 And that's the key, 3294 02:59:28,405 --> 02:59:30,540 and that's the genius 3295 02:59:30,573 --> 02:59:34,177 of the Hunter/Garcia collaboration. 3296 02:59:34,211 --> 02:59:42,119 ♪ The transitive nightfall of diamonds ♪ 3297 02:59:44,087 --> 02:59:45,488 Silberman: Both Robert Hunter's 3298 02:59:45,522 --> 02:59:48,291 and John Barlow's best lyrics did that. 3299 02:59:50,093 --> 02:59:54,397 Those songs would become, like, good, wise advisors 3300 02:59:54,431 --> 02:59:58,001 that you could take with you through decades of life. 3301 02:59:59,669 --> 03:00:01,604 Come right here, and it's all about this: 3302 03:00:01,638 --> 03:00:04,141 "See ya at the next show." 3303 03:00:04,174 --> 03:00:05,575 When this one's over, 3304 03:00:05,608 --> 03:00:07,253 we're not going anywhere but to the next show. 3305 03:00:07,277 --> 03:00:08,988 Man: And how long are you gonna keep doing this? 3306 03:00:09,012 --> 03:00:11,048 Like the band does another 20 years, 3307 03:00:11,081 --> 03:00:12,315 I'll do another 20 years. 3308 03:00:13,616 --> 03:00:15,252 Silberman: It was really profound 3309 03:00:15,285 --> 03:00:17,220 to keep coming back over the years 3310 03:00:17,254 --> 03:00:19,032 because you would see people, you know, get older. 3311 03:00:19,056 --> 03:00:21,624 Eventually they'd be coming with their spouse 3312 03:00:21,658 --> 03:00:23,293 and maybe their kids. 3313 03:00:23,326 --> 03:00:25,662 Eventually they'd be getting gray hair. 3314 03:00:25,695 --> 03:00:28,999 It's like we would all be growing old together 3315 03:00:29,032 --> 03:00:32,135 in this place that kept recreating itself 3316 03:00:32,169 --> 03:00:35,238 in a way that was both reassuringly familiar 3317 03:00:35,272 --> 03:00:39,376 and excitingly new every time. 3318 03:00:39,409 --> 03:00:41,611 I think, for a lot of people, 3319 03:00:41,644 --> 03:00:45,448 Grateful Dead shows were experiences of renewal 3320 03:00:45,482 --> 03:00:47,650 in the same way that it would be 3321 03:00:47,684 --> 03:00:49,386 within a... 3322 03:00:49,419 --> 03:00:52,355 An established, uh, religion. 3323 03:00:52,389 --> 03:00:56,026 ♪ I wanna tell you how it's gonna be ♪ 3324 03:00:58,461 --> 03:01:01,264 ♪ You're gonna give your love to me ♪ 3325 03:01:03,566 --> 03:01:07,104 ♪ I want to love you night and day ♪ 3326 03:01:09,706 --> 03:01:12,542 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3327 03:01:15,245 --> 03:01:18,448 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3328 03:01:18,481 --> 03:01:20,717 ♪ Not fade away 3329 03:01:26,256 --> 03:01:30,427 Lesh: It is more like a ritual than a concert. 3330 03:01:32,395 --> 03:01:34,497 Everybody's ecstatic together. 3331 03:01:37,467 --> 03:01:39,436 I always said, 3332 03:01:39,469 --> 03:01:41,538 every place we play is church. 3333 03:01:43,506 --> 03:01:45,208 That says it in a nutshell. 3334 03:01:53,516 --> 03:01:55,618 Barlow: You know, there really was 3335 03:01:55,652 --> 03:01:57,287 a holy thing that happened there. 3336 03:01:57,320 --> 03:01:58,488 There's no question. 3337 03:02:01,124 --> 03:02:03,093 But it wasn't coming from Garcia. 3338 03:02:03,126 --> 03:02:05,028 It wasn't coming from the stage, actually. 3339 03:02:05,062 --> 03:02:07,497 It wasn't coming from any particular place. 3340 03:02:07,530 --> 03:02:09,232 It never does. 3341 03:02:12,202 --> 03:02:15,638 We realized that we had to be really very careful... 3342 03:02:17,274 --> 03:02:19,509 because if the Grateful Dead 3343 03:02:19,542 --> 03:02:22,179 was going to form a religion 3344 03:02:22,212 --> 03:02:24,747 beyond just having a religious-like thing 3345 03:02:24,781 --> 03:02:26,416 that was following it around... 3346 03:02:27,550 --> 03:02:29,352 it would constrain our ability 3347 03:02:29,386 --> 03:02:31,154 to get into the future properly. 3348 03:02:32,755 --> 03:02:35,658 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3349 03:02:38,395 --> 03:02:41,264 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3350 03:02:41,298 --> 03:02:43,566 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3351 03:02:43,600 --> 03:02:46,569 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3352 03:02:46,603 --> 03:02:49,439 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3353 03:02:49,472 --> 03:02:52,409 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3354 03:02:52,442 --> 03:02:55,145 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3355 03:02:55,178 --> 03:02:57,814 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3356 03:02:57,847 --> 03:03:00,583 ♪ Mmm-bop, bop, bop-bop 3357 03:03:00,617 --> 03:03:03,653 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3358 03:03:03,686 --> 03:03:06,556 ♪ Mmm-bop, bop, bop-bop 3359 03:03:06,589 --> 03:03:09,659 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3360 03:03:09,692 --> 03:03:12,295 ♪ Mmm-bop, bop, bop-bop 3361 03:03:12,329 --> 03:03:15,565 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3362 03:03:17,834 --> 03:03:21,204 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3363 03:03:23,573 --> 03:03:26,443 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3364 03:03:28,745 --> 03:03:31,581 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3365 03:03:33,883 --> 03:03:36,753 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3366 03:03:39,222 --> 03:03:42,292 ♪ You know our love will not fade away ♪ 3367 03:03:44,990 --> 03:03:49,095 See, for the first 18 years or so, 3368 03:03:49,128 --> 03:03:51,064 I had a lot of doubts about the Grateful Dead. 3369 03:03:51,097 --> 03:03:53,666 I thought maybe this is really a bad thing to be doing, 3370 03:03:53,699 --> 03:03:56,202 you know, this could be, like, really pernicious. 3371 03:03:56,235 --> 03:03:58,171 Reporter: Because you were aware of it. 3372 03:03:58,204 --> 03:04:00,139 Because I was aware of the power. 3373 03:04:03,609 --> 03:04:07,146 If I had started to think about controlling that power, 3374 03:04:07,180 --> 03:04:10,149 it would be like, perilously close to fascism. 3375 03:04:12,551 --> 03:04:17,323 And, so I did a lot of things to sabotage it. 3376 03:04:19,092 --> 03:04:21,127 It's like, "Fuck that, you know? 3377 03:04:21,160 --> 03:04:23,096 "I'm not going to go along with this. 3378 03:04:23,129 --> 03:04:24,497 I don't want to be a part of this." 3379 03:04:27,400 --> 03:04:28,767 I mean, it's the thing of it. 3380 03:04:28,801 --> 03:04:31,104 You don't want to be the king, you know? 3381 03:04:31,137 --> 03:04:33,339 You don't want to be the president. 3382 03:04:35,408 --> 03:04:36,675 You don't fuckin' want that. 3383 03:04:36,709 --> 03:04:38,589 I mean, nobody wants... Nobody should have that. 3384 03:04:41,314 --> 03:04:46,085 ♪ Fare you well, my honey, oh ♪ 3385 03:04:50,156 --> 03:04:52,725 ♪ Fare you well 3386 03:04:52,758 --> 03:04:56,829 ♪ My only true one 3387 03:04:58,864 --> 03:05:03,336 ♪ All the birds that were singing ♪ 3388 03:05:05,904 --> 03:05:09,608 ♪ Have flown 3389 03:05:09,642 --> 03:05:14,447 ♪ Except you alone 3390 03:05:16,815 --> 03:05:18,717 Steve Silberman: Jerry once said something like 3391 03:05:18,751 --> 03:05:22,221 "I live in a world without a Grateful Dead" 3392 03:05:22,255 --> 03:05:25,824 because, he didn't have some group that was, you know, 3393 03:05:25,858 --> 03:05:27,393 that he could go see 3394 03:05:27,426 --> 03:05:29,495 that would lift the burdens of his life. 3395 03:05:29,528 --> 03:05:31,297 You know, he was the guy 3396 03:05:31,330 --> 03:05:32,874 who was lifting everybody else's burdens 3397 03:05:32,898 --> 03:05:34,567 without even trying. 3398 03:05:36,302 --> 03:05:38,771 And he couldn't do it for himself, clearly, 3399 03:05:38,804 --> 03:05:41,507 because meanwhile, he's going back to his house 3400 03:05:41,540 --> 03:05:44,577 and smoking heroin all day. 3401 03:05:46,345 --> 03:05:47,789 Nick Paumgarten: By the time I came on the scene 3402 03:05:47,813 --> 03:05:49,515 in the mid-eighties, 3403 03:05:49,548 --> 03:05:51,884 Garcia was probably at his unhealthiest, you know, 3404 03:05:51,917 --> 03:05:53,919 up until, basically, when he died. 3405 03:05:53,952 --> 03:05:55,821 ♪ In my time 3406 03:05:55,854 --> 03:05:57,556 I feel like the extent to which 3407 03:05:57,590 --> 03:06:00,193 he allowed himself to fall to pieces, 3408 03:06:00,226 --> 03:06:03,396 there was some element of the canny artist in that. 3409 03:06:05,231 --> 03:06:07,466 I mean, this is me projecting onto him entirely. 3410 03:06:07,500 --> 03:06:09,168 Maybe it's giving him too much credit, 3411 03:06:09,202 --> 03:06:12,405 but it suited the music that he was performing 3412 03:06:12,438 --> 03:06:14,207 when he was shrouded in death 3413 03:06:14,240 --> 03:06:16,909 because a lot of Garcia's music is about death. 3414 03:06:18,777 --> 03:06:20,613 That's an appeal of the man 3415 03:06:20,646 --> 03:06:21,756 that you have to discover over time. 3416 03:06:21,780 --> 03:06:23,216 You don't see it immediately 3417 03:06:23,249 --> 03:06:25,418 because of the way he presents historically 3418 03:06:25,451 --> 03:06:28,321 as this sort of big, happy, hippie icon. 3419 03:06:29,488 --> 03:06:30,756 You get to know, 3420 03:06:30,789 --> 03:06:32,258 if you listen to the music, 3421 03:06:32,291 --> 03:06:33,692 that actually he's a deliverer 3422 03:06:33,726 --> 03:06:35,661 of dark news, you know? 3423 03:06:35,694 --> 03:06:38,864 That's where you really begin to take him seriously. 3424 03:06:40,299 --> 03:06:44,303 ♪ Fare you well, fare you well ♪ 3425 03:06:44,337 --> 03:06:49,242 ♪ I love you more than words can tell ♪ 3426 03:06:49,275 --> 03:06:52,878 ♪ Listen to the river sing sweet songs ♪ 3427 03:06:52,911 --> 03:06:55,881 ♪ To rock my soul 3428 03:06:57,616 --> 03:07:01,587 ♪ Listen to the river sing sweet songs ♪ 3429 03:07:01,620 --> 03:07:05,558 ♪ To rock my soul 3430 03:07:06,692 --> 03:07:08,561 This is where I'm working 3431 03:07:08,594 --> 03:07:12,931 on archiving a bunch of Jerry's stuff. 3432 03:07:17,270 --> 03:07:21,974 This is my endless project. 3433 03:07:23,609 --> 03:07:26,011 You know, I was always expecting when I... 3434 03:07:26,044 --> 03:07:28,547 When I would listen to the Grateful Dead music, 3435 03:07:28,581 --> 03:07:30,916 there was gonna be some, like, overt message, you know? 3436 03:07:30,949 --> 03:07:33,986 Something there, like, oh, that's it. 3437 03:07:34,019 --> 03:07:36,522 But I can't tell exactly 3438 03:07:36,555 --> 03:07:39,525 where the magic is in... in these things. 3439 03:07:39,558 --> 03:07:41,460 You know, but there's definitely 3440 03:07:41,494 --> 03:07:43,596 something special going on. 3441 03:07:46,332 --> 03:07:51,304 This is a great reel from a press release. 3442 03:07:54,707 --> 03:07:57,976 Back here I have a couple of, um, like, family shots. 3443 03:08:00,045 --> 03:08:01,647 There's Jerry. 3444 03:08:01,680 --> 03:08:03,549 This is... This is the daughter picture. 3445 03:08:03,582 --> 03:08:05,318 He's holding his wallet. 3446 03:08:05,351 --> 03:08:07,520 I'm probably hitting him up for money. 3447 03:08:07,553 --> 03:08:09,722 Um, this is in Hawaii. 3448 03:08:09,755 --> 03:08:12,891 He looks pretty frickin' happy, to me. 3449 03:08:14,427 --> 03:08:16,995 This is actually at Ken Kesey's house. 3450 03:08:17,029 --> 03:08:19,865 Me and Jerry in '86. 3451 03:08:21,467 --> 03:08:23,936 My mom, Mountain Girl, took this picture. 3452 03:08:23,969 --> 03:08:26,605 Growing up in the Grateful Dead, 3453 03:08:26,639 --> 03:08:29,442 I never got to experience the show 3454 03:08:29,475 --> 03:08:30,909 as a fan did, you know? 3455 03:08:32,878 --> 03:08:34,547 So, it didn't make sense to me 3456 03:08:34,580 --> 03:08:37,450 why all these people have this, um, 3457 03:08:37,483 --> 03:08:39,485 deep, deep connection to my dad 3458 03:08:39,518 --> 03:08:42,755 that I sometimes felt like I had to compete with. 3459 03:08:44,089 --> 03:08:45,924 You know, they toured a lot, 3460 03:08:45,958 --> 03:08:49,094 and it was really hard for him, you know, 3461 03:08:49,127 --> 03:08:51,530 spending that much time on the road. 3462 03:08:53,799 --> 03:08:55,734 And we gave him, you know, 3463 03:08:55,768 --> 03:08:57,703 he got his space when he came home. 3464 03:09:01,574 --> 03:09:03,108 I would just sit, you know, 3465 03:09:03,141 --> 03:09:06,645 and hang out next to him while he played his scales. 3466 03:09:10,383 --> 03:09:13,819 And we'd watch TV shows together. 3467 03:09:13,852 --> 03:09:15,454 And weird movies, you know. 3468 03:09:15,488 --> 03:09:16,889 Twilight Zone stuff. 3469 03:09:16,922 --> 03:09:19,392 Shall we put the heart in now? 3470 03:09:19,425 --> 03:09:20,626 Yes. 3471 03:09:20,659 --> 03:09:21,794 Ludwig. 3472 03:09:21,827 --> 03:09:23,629 Here's some old, uh, 3473 03:09:23,662 --> 03:09:26,632 sketches of little Frankensteins. 3474 03:09:26,665 --> 03:09:30,569 Frankenstein was a recurring character for him. 3475 03:09:30,603 --> 03:09:34,039 Um, you know, Jerry loved horror movies 3476 03:09:34,072 --> 03:09:36,542 and stuff like that, so... 3477 03:09:36,575 --> 03:09:38,043 The Frankenstein, 3478 03:09:38,076 --> 03:09:40,979 the harmless little companion that you create 3479 03:09:41,013 --> 03:09:46,385 that ends up dominating your whole world. 3480 03:09:48,887 --> 03:09:50,656 Work. 3481 03:09:50,689 --> 03:09:51,924 He was exhausted. 3482 03:09:51,957 --> 03:09:54,427 I'm exhausted. I must get sleep. 3483 03:09:54,460 --> 03:09:58,764 Work, finish, then sleep. 3484 03:09:58,797 --> 03:10:00,799 The Grateful Dead thing had gotten so big 3485 03:10:00,833 --> 03:10:02,635 where you're kind of, you know, 3486 03:10:02,668 --> 03:10:05,137 working just to keep it going at a certain point. 3487 03:10:05,170 --> 03:10:07,039 Not that, you know, 3488 03:10:07,072 --> 03:10:09,708 not saying it should have ended or anything, but... 3489 03:10:11,744 --> 03:10:13,479 I wish that, uh, 3490 03:10:13,512 --> 03:10:17,049 he would've just got some fucking rest, you know? 3491 03:10:19,752 --> 03:10:21,754 Dennis McNally: Summer of '86, 3492 03:10:21,787 --> 03:10:26,992 we played two concerts in Washington, D.C. 3493 03:10:27,025 --> 03:10:29,595 It was over a hundred degrees, 3494 03:10:29,628 --> 03:10:34,600 and Jerry was out there for three hours a day, 3495 03:10:34,633 --> 03:10:36,034 and he got dehydrated. 3496 03:10:37,703 --> 03:10:39,905 And about three days later, 3497 03:10:39,938 --> 03:10:42,074 he went into a diabetic coma. 3498 03:10:44,577 --> 03:10:47,713 Garcia: I just laid down one day and didn't get up. 3499 03:10:49,147 --> 03:10:51,484 During the time I was actually in a coma, 3500 03:10:51,517 --> 03:10:55,087 my main experience is a kind of tremendous struggle 3501 03:10:55,120 --> 03:10:58,624 in a kind of a futuristic, 3502 03:10:58,657 --> 03:11:01,494 sort of spaceship-y kind of vehicle 3503 03:11:01,527 --> 03:11:04,963 with some kind of insectoid presences. 3504 03:11:04,997 --> 03:11:07,833 Prankster: The acid test is everywhere in this spaceship, 3505 03:11:07,866 --> 03:11:09,868 everywhere you are, you're all on... 3506 03:11:11,937 --> 03:11:15,173 Garcia: Kind of like invisible time travelers from the future 3507 03:11:15,207 --> 03:11:17,643 looking at me, you know. 3508 03:11:20,979 --> 03:11:23,148 I had this image of myself... 3509 03:11:23,181 --> 03:11:25,618 I love death. 3510 03:11:25,651 --> 03:11:27,886 ...as these little hunks of protoplasm 3511 03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:30,088 that were stuck together kind of like stamps 3512 03:11:30,122 --> 03:11:31,657 with perforations between 'em. 3513 03:11:32,925 --> 03:11:34,527 And they were a gift. 3514 03:11:41,934 --> 03:11:44,069 They were these kind of, like, message units 3515 03:11:44,102 --> 03:11:45,704 or message carriers, 3516 03:11:45,738 --> 03:11:46,881 and I thought they were, like, 3517 03:11:46,905 --> 03:11:48,240 kind of like my bloodstream. 3518 03:11:48,273 --> 03:11:51,644 And that was my image of my physical self. 3519 03:11:57,583 --> 03:11:59,251 I came out of my coma... 3520 03:12:01,153 --> 03:12:03,956 feeling fragile... 3521 03:12:05,257 --> 03:12:07,025 but I'm not afraid of death. 3522 03:12:10,228 --> 03:12:12,598 It made it easier for me to focus on the things 3523 03:12:12,631 --> 03:12:14,232 that I really wanted to accomplish. 3524 03:12:14,266 --> 03:12:16,301 It had that kind of attention-getting, you know, 3525 03:12:16,334 --> 03:12:18,303 the thing of you could go at any moment. 3526 03:12:18,336 --> 03:12:19,938 You never know, you know, 3527 03:12:19,972 --> 03:12:21,707 so you might as well just try to crowd 3528 03:12:21,740 --> 03:12:24,276 as much as you can possibility get into your life. 3529 03:12:24,309 --> 03:12:26,278 This week, the Grateful Dead released 3530 03:12:26,311 --> 03:12:28,013 their first studio album in seven years, 3531 03:12:28,046 --> 03:12:29,648 In The Dark, over which 3532 03:12:29,682 --> 03:12:31,984 their so-called Deadhead fans are delirious. 3533 03:12:33,619 --> 03:12:36,154 They always love it when I don't die. 3534 03:12:37,756 --> 03:12:40,158 I always get a lot of mileage out of that. 3535 03:12:40,192 --> 03:12:42,828 Reporter: The Grateful Dead are very much alive and well. 3536 03:12:42,861 --> 03:12:44,630 Their last album, Into The Dark, 3537 03:12:44,663 --> 03:12:45,831 was their best selling ever. 3538 03:12:45,864 --> 03:12:47,866 Their single, "Touch of Grey," 3539 03:12:47,900 --> 03:12:50,202 became their first top-40 hit. 3540 03:12:50,235 --> 03:12:52,938 ♪ I will get by 3541 03:12:52,971 --> 03:12:56,341 The Dead racked up over $26 million in ticket sales. 3542 03:12:56,374 --> 03:12:58,076 Woman: ...one of the highest earners 3543 03:12:58,110 --> 03:12:59,678 in the entertainment business last year. 3544 03:12:59,712 --> 03:13:01,279 The band's music makes millions. 3545 03:13:01,313 --> 03:13:04,049 There's an ice cream named after their leader. 3546 03:13:04,082 --> 03:13:05,851 The Dead is even on the internet. 3547 03:13:05,884 --> 03:13:08,153 ♪ I will survive 3548 03:13:09,387 --> 03:13:11,023 McNally: In 1987, 3549 03:13:11,056 --> 03:13:12,691 we finally have a radio hit. 3550 03:13:12,725 --> 03:13:16,161 With "Touch of Grey" in the top ten, 3551 03:13:16,194 --> 03:13:20,332 tens of thousands of people just heard it on the radio, 3552 03:13:20,365 --> 03:13:22,267 and they went, "Oh, I want to go to that show," 3553 03:13:22,300 --> 03:13:23,836 and, of course, they can't get in 3554 03:13:23,869 --> 03:13:25,904 'cause it's already sold out. 3555 03:13:25,938 --> 03:13:27,640 So they go down anyway, 3556 03:13:27,673 --> 03:13:29,875 and they find a party the likes of which 3557 03:13:29,908 --> 03:13:33,646 no 19-year-old ever walks away from. 3558 03:13:33,679 --> 03:13:36,615 And we go from having a thousand people 3559 03:13:36,649 --> 03:13:38,183 on the outside of our show, 3560 03:13:38,216 --> 03:13:41,253 uh, to 5,000. 3561 03:13:42,755 --> 03:13:44,957 And that simply overloaded the environment. 3562 03:13:44,990 --> 03:13:47,660 ♪ I will get by 3563 03:13:47,693 --> 03:13:50,663 Mickey Hart: It got so, so popular, 3564 03:13:50,696 --> 03:13:52,898 so powerful a draw, 3565 03:13:52,931 --> 03:13:55,333 that the biggest places were too small, 3566 03:13:55,367 --> 03:13:57,636 even the stadiums. 3567 03:14:01,674 --> 03:14:02,908 Playing to the stadiums 3568 03:14:02,941 --> 03:14:04,276 were akin to playing in the studio 3569 03:14:04,309 --> 03:14:06,311 because the people were all there... 3570 03:14:06,344 --> 03:14:07,880 There were 60,000 people there... 3571 03:14:07,913 --> 03:14:09,347 But it was basically... 3572 03:14:09,381 --> 03:14:11,116 You didn't have any touch with those people. 3573 03:14:11,149 --> 03:14:14,186 They're hundreds of feet away from you. 3574 03:14:15,921 --> 03:14:17,656 Phil Lesh: In the stadiums, 3575 03:14:17,690 --> 03:14:19,892 you're gonna have no contact with your audience. 3576 03:14:19,925 --> 03:14:23,028 It's just not possible. 3577 03:14:23,061 --> 03:14:27,032 You know, it's just a sea of faces about this big 3578 03:14:27,065 --> 03:14:29,001 and waving arms. 3579 03:14:29,034 --> 03:14:30,903 Man: Has success spoiled the Dead? 3580 03:14:30,936 --> 03:14:31,970 - Yeah. - Bob Weir: Yeah. 3581 03:14:40,946 --> 03:14:42,380 Sam Cutler: I came back to America 3582 03:14:42,414 --> 03:14:44,349 after 30 years away. 3583 03:14:44,382 --> 03:14:47,352 I was absolutely gobsmacked 3584 03:14:47,385 --> 03:14:49,855 by the influence of the Grateful Dead 3585 03:14:49,888 --> 03:14:53,792 and how it spread all over the United States. 3586 03:14:56,128 --> 03:14:59,197 And then this is what the mainstream culture 3587 03:14:59,231 --> 03:15:00,866 does, you know? 3588 03:15:00,899 --> 03:15:02,868 It neuters things 3589 03:15:02,901 --> 03:15:05,738 and declaws things, you know, 3590 03:15:05,771 --> 03:15:08,240 by absorbing them, you know. 3591 03:15:08,273 --> 03:15:10,375 They kinda love you to death. 3592 03:15:13,311 --> 03:15:16,014 Paumgarten: The scene kept evolving. 3593 03:15:16,048 --> 03:15:19,251 They attracted a new legion of fans. 3594 03:15:19,284 --> 03:15:21,186 And they became popular and accepted, 3595 03:15:21,219 --> 03:15:22,755 and you found out that, you know, 3596 03:15:22,788 --> 03:15:24,422 Peter Jennings went to shows 3597 03:15:24,456 --> 03:15:26,792 and Senator Leahy was a Deadhead, 3598 03:15:26,825 --> 03:15:29,728 and the Grateful Dead, God bless 'em, 3599 03:15:29,762 --> 03:15:30,929 were fine with that. 3600 03:15:32,230 --> 03:15:33,766 I found it affirming, 3601 03:15:33,799 --> 03:15:36,168 the fact that it was a big tent. 3602 03:15:36,201 --> 03:15:38,136 It wasn't just a bunch of hippie chicks 3603 03:15:38,170 --> 03:15:41,173 or prep school Deadheads or spinners. 3604 03:15:41,206 --> 03:15:44,910 They were open to all kinds of people. 3605 03:15:44,943 --> 03:15:46,711 That was always part of it. 3606 03:15:48,113 --> 03:15:50,048 Garcia: Events have carried us this far. 3607 03:15:50,082 --> 03:15:51,817 You know what I mean? 3608 03:15:51,850 --> 03:15:53,251 And that seems to work pretty good 3609 03:15:53,285 --> 03:15:55,253 when we sort of take a hands-off approach, 3610 03:15:55,287 --> 03:15:57,790 you know, kind of let things happen. 3611 03:15:57,823 --> 03:15:59,858 So we'll see where this gets us 3612 03:15:59,892 --> 03:16:01,169 'cause right now we're in motion. 3613 03:16:01,193 --> 03:16:02,460 We're on our way somewhere. 3614 03:16:02,494 --> 03:16:03,962 It's hard to tell where. 3615 03:16:05,330 --> 03:16:07,199 Cutler: What's interesting to me 3616 03:16:07,232 --> 03:16:09,968 is the reaction of the Deadheads. 3617 03:16:10,002 --> 03:16:12,337 When the Grateful Dead became locked 3618 03:16:12,370 --> 03:16:14,406 into playing huge stadiums, 3619 03:16:14,439 --> 03:16:16,408 I mean, the Deadheads picked up 3620 03:16:16,441 --> 03:16:20,278 on the original ethos of the Grateful Dead, 3621 03:16:20,312 --> 03:16:24,950 their inherently anarchic tendencies. 3622 03:16:26,184 --> 03:16:27,920 And all of a sudden, 3623 03:16:27,953 --> 03:16:29,130 it was like they'd been stalked 3624 03:16:29,154 --> 03:16:30,455 by 50,000 lunatics. 3625 03:16:32,324 --> 03:16:35,127 Lesh: We should've known that something was coming 3626 03:16:35,160 --> 03:16:38,196 when we realized that a lot of times 3627 03:16:38,230 --> 03:16:40,799 there were more people outside the shows 3628 03:16:40,833 --> 03:16:44,369 partying and trying to find a way in for free 3629 03:16:44,402 --> 03:16:45,871 than there were inside. 3630 03:16:45,904 --> 03:16:49,842 ♪ I spent a little time on the mountain ♪ 3631 03:16:49,875 --> 03:16:52,845 ♪ Spent a little time on the hill ♪ 3632 03:16:54,046 --> 03:16:55,848 ♪ I heard some say 3633 03:16:55,881 --> 03:16:57,950 ♪ "Better run away" 3634 03:16:57,983 --> 03:17:00,819 ♪ Others say "Better stand still" ♪ 3635 03:17:00,853 --> 03:17:03,221 Hart: It got so chaotic, 3636 03:17:03,255 --> 03:17:05,824 you couldn't take it out of the bag. 3637 03:17:05,858 --> 03:17:08,226 We wanted to make a statement saying that: 3638 03:17:08,260 --> 03:17:10,896 "You guys got to police yourselves," you know? 3639 03:17:10,929 --> 03:17:12,473 You gotta be good neighbors, you don't want to... 3640 03:17:12,497 --> 03:17:13,875 You can't be pee on the lawns and everything. 3641 03:17:13,899 --> 03:17:15,033 You have to respect people. 3642 03:17:17,002 --> 03:17:18,837 McNally: What we were trying to do 3643 03:17:18,871 --> 03:17:21,273 was simply preserve our ability to do a show 3644 03:17:21,306 --> 03:17:24,176 under conditions in which you had far too many people 3645 03:17:24,209 --> 03:17:26,411 saying "Oh, I'm just here for the party, 3646 03:17:26,444 --> 03:17:29,081 even if I can't get into the show." 3647 03:17:29,114 --> 03:17:31,383 And it's all too much. 3648 03:17:31,416 --> 03:17:33,485 Jerry Garcia did not bargain to be the mayor 3649 03:17:33,518 --> 03:17:35,187 of a traveling counter-cultural town. 3650 03:17:37,522 --> 03:17:39,391 Listen, please, because this is serious. 3651 03:17:39,424 --> 03:17:41,459 McNally: And so I'd get the band members 3652 03:17:41,493 --> 03:17:42,827 to record these letters. 3653 03:17:44,897 --> 03:17:46,941 ...so at our sold-out shows, if you don't have a ticket, 3654 03:17:46,965 --> 03:17:48,576 - please don't come. - Got any extra tickets? 3655 03:17:48,600 --> 03:17:51,069 - Lesh: We really mean this. - Just one ticket. 3656 03:17:51,103 --> 03:17:54,572 Jerry just couldn't bring himself to do one of those. 3657 03:17:54,606 --> 03:17:57,342 Uh, but Phil didn't mind. 3658 03:17:59,611 --> 03:18:01,413 Folks who run this shop, 3659 03:18:01,446 --> 03:18:03,348 I need it starting to be shut down now. 3660 03:18:03,381 --> 03:18:06,885 Lesh: We wrote more than one open letter to Deadheads. 3661 03:18:06,919 --> 03:18:08,921 The area around every Grateful Dead concert 3662 03:18:08,954 --> 03:18:10,588 is subject to the local legal system. 3663 03:18:14,259 --> 03:18:16,094 - But it did nothing. - Deadhead: Come on. 3664 03:18:16,128 --> 03:18:17,128 It's a joke. 3665 03:18:18,596 --> 03:18:20,141 Deadheads are a determined bunch, though, 3666 03:18:20,165 --> 03:18:23,568 you know, uh, not much for listening to rules. 3667 03:18:23,601 --> 03:18:26,538 When they were younger guys, 3668 03:18:26,571 --> 03:18:28,506 first startin' out on this thing, 3669 03:18:28,540 --> 03:18:30,442 they decided just, "Okay, 3670 03:18:30,475 --> 03:18:32,644 "the rules aren't cuttin' it for me. 3671 03:18:32,677 --> 03:18:35,914 "Society's typical way of dealing with things isn't cuttin' it for me, 3672 03:18:35,948 --> 03:18:38,383 and I want to follow my intuition." 3673 03:18:38,416 --> 03:18:39,584 I'm coming in, brother. 3674 03:18:39,617 --> 03:18:41,119 I'm coming in. 3675 03:18:41,153 --> 03:18:42,320 I got you. 3676 03:18:42,354 --> 03:18:44,056 Female Deadhead: They cut loose. 3677 03:18:44,089 --> 03:18:46,024 By doing that, 3678 03:18:46,058 --> 03:18:47,259 their music has grown 3679 03:18:47,292 --> 03:18:50,195 into this blossoming monster, you know? 3680 03:18:51,563 --> 03:18:53,065 So we do the same thing, 3681 03:18:53,098 --> 03:18:54,466 and they do the same thing. 3682 03:18:54,499 --> 03:18:56,134 The Dead's fans have always been 3683 03:18:56,168 --> 03:18:58,036 among the mellowest on a music scene, 3684 03:18:58,070 --> 03:19:00,172 but lately they've been having some problems. 3685 03:19:00,205 --> 03:19:01,515 Reporter: Charges against Deadheads ranging 3686 03:19:01,539 --> 03:19:03,441 from public lewdness and disturbing the peace 3687 03:19:03,475 --> 03:19:05,043 to using and selling drugs. 3688 03:19:05,077 --> 03:19:06,644 Hart: It was a scary thing, 3689 03:19:06,678 --> 03:19:08,222 because you don't want to wake up in the morning 3690 03:19:08,246 --> 03:19:10,315 finding people are in jail, or deaths. 3691 03:19:10,348 --> 03:19:13,551 I said, "Oh man, this is dangerous." 3692 03:19:13,585 --> 03:19:15,620 You know, we'll be responsible 3693 03:19:15,653 --> 03:19:17,455 for things that we can't control 3694 03:19:17,489 --> 03:19:19,924 or that they can't control, and it'll get out of hand. 3695 03:19:21,126 --> 03:19:24,662 ♪ One way or another 3696 03:19:24,696 --> 03:19:28,967 ♪ One way or another 3697 03:19:29,001 --> 03:19:32,504 ♪ One way or another 3698 03:19:32,537 --> 03:19:35,473 ♪ This darkness got to give 3699 03:19:35,507 --> 03:19:37,475 McNally: Many of the people without tickets 3700 03:19:37,509 --> 03:19:40,445 have no responsibility or obligation to our scene. 3701 03:19:40,478 --> 03:19:44,349 It's up to you as Deadheads to educate these people 3702 03:19:44,382 --> 03:19:47,019 and to pressure them into acting like Deadheads 3703 03:19:47,052 --> 03:19:48,086 instead of maniacs. 3704 03:19:49,454 --> 03:19:51,056 They can only get away with this crap 3705 03:19:51,089 --> 03:19:52,524 if you let them. 3706 03:19:52,557 --> 03:19:53,667 If you're not part of the solution, 3707 03:19:53,691 --> 03:19:54,993 you're part of the problem. 3708 03:19:55,027 --> 03:19:56,561 Yeah, don't you do that. 3709 03:19:56,594 --> 03:19:58,730 The spirit of the Grateful Dead is at stake, 3710 03:19:58,763 --> 03:20:00,665 and we'll do what we have to do... 3711 03:20:00,698 --> 03:20:02,134 - Yeah. - ...to protect it. 3712 03:20:04,736 --> 03:20:07,439 Yeah. I mean, the whole point with the Grateful Dead 3713 03:20:07,472 --> 03:20:11,143 was we didn't tell anybody, you know, to do nothin', 3714 03:20:11,176 --> 03:20:12,444 you know? 3715 03:20:14,779 --> 03:20:16,481 Just the idea is repellent. 3716 03:20:16,514 --> 03:20:18,116 The idea that we're gonna now 3717 03:20:18,150 --> 03:20:21,286 start telling people how to behave. 3718 03:20:21,319 --> 03:20:23,021 I mean, we're not the government, you know? 3719 03:20:23,055 --> 03:20:25,123 We're just musicians, 3720 03:20:25,157 --> 03:20:26,591 and it's enough to try to control... 3721 03:20:26,624 --> 03:20:28,093 McNally: The main thing 3722 03:20:28,126 --> 03:20:31,396 was getting Jerry to co-sign the message. 3723 03:20:31,429 --> 03:20:34,299 But he was such an anti-authoritarian. 3724 03:20:34,332 --> 03:20:37,035 He was just said, "Get somebody else to do it." 3725 03:20:37,069 --> 03:20:39,537 Man: Well, Phil said that he would like Deadheads 3726 03:20:39,571 --> 03:20:41,673 to not bring hard drugs around the Dead. 3727 03:20:41,706 --> 03:20:44,042 How do you feel about that? 3728 03:20:44,076 --> 03:20:45,810 I think drugs are really a personal thing, 3729 03:20:45,843 --> 03:20:48,246 and anybody... everybody has the right to take 'em... 3730 03:20:48,280 --> 03:20:50,048 - Mm-hmm. - ...as far as I'm concerned. 3731 03:20:50,082 --> 03:20:51,816 - Yeah. - And in my world, 3732 03:20:51,849 --> 03:20:53,385 everything is legal, you know, 3733 03:20:53,418 --> 03:20:55,187 and everybody can do whatever they want, 3734 03:20:55,220 --> 03:20:56,554 and, I mean, I... 3735 03:20:56,588 --> 03:20:58,756 John Barlow: Jerry did not do messages. 3736 03:20:58,790 --> 03:21:01,159 Period. End of story. 3737 03:21:01,193 --> 03:21:03,661 Man: Is there anything that you feel Deadheads can do 3738 03:21:03,695 --> 03:21:05,330 to help out the Grateful Dead? 3739 03:21:05,363 --> 03:21:07,399 Garcia: Yeah, they can keep having fun. 3740 03:21:09,167 --> 03:21:11,369 I mean, there was certainly an underlying message 3741 03:21:11,403 --> 03:21:13,671 that was about thinking for yourself. 3742 03:21:16,674 --> 03:21:18,343 Ignore alien orders. 3743 03:21:21,113 --> 03:21:23,715 Steve Parish: Jerry never liked to talk to the audience 3744 03:21:23,748 --> 03:21:25,788 'cause he realized that they hung on his every word. 3745 03:21:27,752 --> 03:21:29,787 Everybody in the audience would think 3746 03:21:29,821 --> 03:21:32,557 that Jerry was there to play to them that night. 3747 03:21:32,590 --> 03:21:34,792 And he was. He tried to. 3748 03:21:36,461 --> 03:21:38,163 He liked to have the lights up a little bit 3749 03:21:38,196 --> 03:21:40,198 so he could see the faces of the audience. 3750 03:21:40,232 --> 03:21:42,834 - He drew off of them. - ♪ Drifting and dreaming 3751 03:21:43,901 --> 03:21:45,337 You gotta remember, 3752 03:21:45,370 --> 03:21:47,772 when you start with the early days... 3753 03:21:49,907 --> 03:21:51,776 you couldn't tell the difference 3754 03:21:51,809 --> 03:21:53,645 between the stage and the audience. 3755 03:21:55,180 --> 03:21:57,649 It was just an extension of that. 3756 03:22:00,152 --> 03:22:02,354 But as time went on, 3757 03:22:02,387 --> 03:22:05,490 Jerry became this icon to people. 3758 03:22:05,523 --> 03:22:08,226 And that became impossible. 3759 03:22:18,670 --> 03:22:20,438 Weir: I had a tough time 3760 03:22:20,472 --> 03:22:23,141 walking the streets of any town we were in. 3761 03:22:24,642 --> 03:22:26,711 Jerry couldn't do it, flat couldn't. 3762 03:22:30,215 --> 03:22:33,485 He was stuck in a hotel room wherever we went. 3763 03:22:33,518 --> 03:22:34,886 He couldn't go out. 3764 03:22:36,288 --> 03:22:37,589 And there were people 3765 03:22:37,622 --> 03:22:39,524 scaling the walls of the hotel 3766 03:22:39,557 --> 03:22:40,892 trying to get at him. 3767 03:22:43,428 --> 03:22:45,530 That just drove him nuts. 3768 03:22:56,874 --> 03:22:59,211 Trixie: I spent a lot of time on stage 3769 03:22:59,244 --> 03:23:01,546 staring at the audience 3770 03:23:01,579 --> 03:23:04,349 and just wondering what they're seeing, 3771 03:23:04,382 --> 03:23:06,618 why are they so enraptured? 3772 03:23:08,320 --> 03:23:10,222 But I remember, um, 3773 03:23:10,255 --> 03:23:15,493 just knowing that I shouldn't go out 3774 03:23:15,527 --> 03:23:17,529 and mingle with the Deadheads. 3775 03:23:19,597 --> 03:23:20,932 There had already been 3776 03:23:20,965 --> 03:23:24,936 kind of certain breaches of personal space. 3777 03:23:26,504 --> 03:23:29,241 I think Jerry was already a little freaked out 3778 03:23:29,274 --> 03:23:31,643 about the weird, um, things 3779 03:23:31,676 --> 03:23:33,945 that people were projecting on him. 3780 03:23:33,978 --> 03:23:38,883 ♪ Dear Mr. Fantasy, play us a tune ♪ 3781 03:23:40,552 --> 03:23:45,189 ♪ Something to make us all happy ♪ 3782 03:23:47,559 --> 03:23:50,495 ♪ Do anything 3783 03:23:50,528 --> 03:23:53,631 ♪ Take us out of this gloom 3784 03:23:53,665 --> 03:23:56,968 ♪ Sing a song, play guitar 3785 03:23:57,001 --> 03:23:59,437 ♪ Make it snappy 3786 03:24:01,038 --> 03:24:02,740 ♪ You are the one... 3787 03:24:02,774 --> 03:24:05,410 Weir: We were just beset by people 3788 03:24:05,443 --> 03:24:09,314 who had just gone off into this imaginary world... 3789 03:24:09,347 --> 03:24:11,716 ♪ You break, you break down in tears ♪ 3790 03:24:11,749 --> 03:24:14,286 ...to the point where Jerry was basically 3791 03:24:14,319 --> 03:24:16,788 a messiah figure. 3792 03:24:16,821 --> 03:24:19,591 ♪ ...a straight mind you had 3793 03:24:20,892 --> 03:24:23,027 ♪ Wouldn't have known you 3794 03:24:23,060 --> 03:24:25,630 ♪ All these years 3795 03:24:25,663 --> 03:24:27,332 Woman: How do you feel about the fact 3796 03:24:27,365 --> 03:24:29,534 that you enjoy such a divine-like status 3797 03:24:29,567 --> 03:24:31,336 in the eyes of so many of your fans? 3798 03:24:31,369 --> 03:24:32,804 I mean, yeah, but I don't think 3799 03:24:32,837 --> 03:24:34,506 anybody takes it that seriously, 3800 03:24:34,539 --> 03:24:35,816 - you know what I mean? - You might be surprised. 3801 03:24:35,840 --> 03:24:37,775 Well... 3802 03:24:37,809 --> 03:24:39,544 Then I'll... I'll put up with it 3803 03:24:39,577 --> 03:24:41,713 until they come for me with the cross and nails. 3804 03:24:41,746 --> 03:24:42,780 You know? 3805 03:25:09,040 --> 03:25:10,975 One of the things that upsets me 3806 03:25:11,008 --> 03:25:14,946 about what happened with Jerry in the nineties 3807 03:25:14,979 --> 03:25:17,449 was how isolated he was 3808 03:25:17,482 --> 03:25:21,886 in the middle of this incredible community. 3809 03:25:23,455 --> 03:25:26,324 And I think he was really suffering, 3810 03:25:26,358 --> 03:25:28,760 particularly after Brent Mydland died. 3811 03:25:31,729 --> 03:25:33,998 It was obvious that Jerry and Brent 3812 03:25:34,031 --> 03:25:36,701 really had some kind of very deep 3813 03:25:36,734 --> 03:25:40,672 and mutually, uh, enriching connection. 3814 03:25:46,143 --> 03:25:50,915 Weir: After Brent died from heroin overdose, 3815 03:25:50,948 --> 03:25:53,351 the music kind of sagged a little bit. 3816 03:25:54,786 --> 03:25:57,422 I think Jerry... the... the fact 3817 03:25:57,455 --> 03:25:59,957 that he was kind of shut in by circumstance, 3818 03:25:59,991 --> 03:26:05,029 and you add on top of that the band is not what it was... 3819 03:26:06,798 --> 03:26:10,502 well, that's a little... 3820 03:26:10,535 --> 03:26:14,406 That's a place where the plot sort of turns a little bit, 3821 03:26:14,439 --> 03:26:19,511 and, uh, and he started looking for a way to get out. 3822 03:26:22,947 --> 03:26:27,985 ♪ I'd rather be in some dark hollow ♪ 3823 03:26:28,019 --> 03:26:32,857 ♪ Where the sun don't ever shine ♪ 3824 03:26:33,991 --> 03:26:35,693 ♪ Then to be 3825 03:26:35,727 --> 03:26:39,163 ♪ In some big city 3826 03:26:39,196 --> 03:26:40,965 ♪ In a small room 3827 03:26:40,998 --> 03:26:43,435 ♪ With you upon my mind 3828 03:26:43,468 --> 03:26:45,102 Brigid Meier: April, 1990... 3829 03:26:46,738 --> 03:26:49,040 I get a letter from Jerry. 3830 03:26:50,475 --> 03:26:52,143 I haven't seen him, really, 3831 03:26:52,176 --> 03:26:53,845 for 28 years. 3832 03:26:55,680 --> 03:26:58,416 And he said, "I'll always love you." 3833 03:26:59,717 --> 03:27:01,052 Okay. 3834 03:27:01,085 --> 03:27:03,588 What am I supposed to do with that? 3835 03:27:06,223 --> 03:27:08,593 Then, a year later, 3836 03:27:08,626 --> 03:27:11,729 there was a note from Dennis McNally, 3837 03:27:11,763 --> 03:27:13,898 their publicist, 3838 03:27:13,931 --> 03:27:16,000 the designated liaison. 3839 03:27:17,602 --> 03:27:19,136 And he said, "Call me. 3840 03:27:19,170 --> 03:27:21,439 Jerry would like to see you." 3841 03:27:22,507 --> 03:27:23,741 But, I mean, 3842 03:27:23,775 --> 03:27:24,918 he was living with somebody else, 3843 03:27:24,942 --> 03:27:26,142 had a child with someone else. 3844 03:27:28,713 --> 03:27:32,049 In order to have a conversation, 3845 03:27:32,083 --> 03:27:34,686 we had to couch it as an interview. 3846 03:27:34,719 --> 03:27:36,888 Garcia: I mean, you really sort of started me going. 3847 03:27:36,921 --> 03:27:39,023 You bought me that guitar, you know? 3848 03:27:39,056 --> 03:27:41,092 You're partly responsible! 3849 03:27:41,125 --> 03:27:44,696 So I took a tape recorder and did an interview. 3850 03:27:44,729 --> 03:27:45,797 Yeah. 3851 03:27:45,830 --> 03:27:47,632 It goes by fast. 3852 03:27:47,665 --> 03:27:49,967 The last fifteen years has been furious. 3853 03:27:50,001 --> 03:27:51,669 I'm sorry to hear that. 3854 03:27:51,703 --> 03:27:53,237 We never decided to go somewhere 3855 03:27:53,270 --> 03:27:55,139 or to become something, you know what I mean? 3856 03:27:55,172 --> 03:27:57,575 Yeah, it's funny... It's funny... it's... 3857 03:27:57,609 --> 03:27:59,010 At some point or another, 3858 03:27:59,043 --> 03:28:00,578 after I got out of the hospital, 3859 03:28:00,612 --> 03:28:02,614 when I had my coma and all that, 3860 03:28:02,647 --> 03:28:04,849 somewhere in there I... I... I kind of... 3861 03:28:04,882 --> 03:28:06,651 I have this memory now... 3862 03:28:06,684 --> 03:28:08,520 I don't know where it came from... 3863 03:28:08,553 --> 03:28:10,822 That's like as though you and I 3864 03:28:10,855 --> 03:28:13,558 had continued with our lives together somehow 3865 03:28:13,591 --> 03:28:15,727 and had a whole alternate life, 3866 03:28:15,760 --> 03:28:17,270 you know what I mean? But it's like... 3867 03:28:17,294 --> 03:28:18,896 I mean, it was incredibly awkward. 3868 03:28:18,930 --> 03:28:20,732 He says, "You know, 3869 03:28:20,765 --> 03:28:23,501 there's a part of me that is still in love with you." 3870 03:28:23,535 --> 03:28:24,945 still is very much in love with you, you know? 3871 03:28:24,969 --> 03:28:26,270 Still, always. 3872 03:28:26,303 --> 03:28:28,673 It's a little scary. 3873 03:28:30,207 --> 03:28:31,876 McNally: She interviewed him 3874 03:28:31,909 --> 03:28:33,878 for an article that would appear in Tricycle. 3875 03:28:33,911 --> 03:28:35,813 It was the Buddhist magazine. 3876 03:28:35,847 --> 03:28:37,048 I arranged it. 3877 03:28:37,081 --> 03:28:38,149 She was Buddhist, 3878 03:28:38,182 --> 03:28:39,784 and he was curious about it. 3879 03:28:39,817 --> 03:28:43,087 McNally was actually the mastermind. 3880 03:28:43,120 --> 03:28:45,523 I don't know if that's entirely a story I want to tell. 3881 03:28:45,557 --> 03:28:47,058 Uh, suffice it to say... 3882 03:28:47,091 --> 03:28:49,927 He did all he could to facilitate this. 3883 03:28:49,961 --> 03:28:51,696 There was something there. 3884 03:28:51,729 --> 03:28:53,565 Both of them felt it. 3885 03:28:53,598 --> 03:28:56,000 It became like a military operation 3886 03:28:56,033 --> 03:28:59,971 to extricate Jerry and get me in there. 3887 03:29:00,004 --> 03:29:03,274 And eventually he went to Hawaii with Brigid. 3888 03:29:05,743 --> 03:29:07,712 I didn't know what we were doing. 3889 03:29:09,180 --> 03:29:11,282 I had no idea what we were doing 3890 03:29:11,315 --> 03:29:15,252 until about day 3. 3891 03:29:27,765 --> 03:29:30,067 We... We started scuba diving. 3892 03:29:30,101 --> 03:29:33,037 I'd never done it before, 3893 03:29:33,070 --> 03:29:35,607 and he was... 3894 03:29:35,640 --> 03:29:37,241 masterful. 3895 03:29:37,274 --> 03:29:40,578 He was an extraordinary diver. 3896 03:29:42,379 --> 03:29:44,057 Bill Kreutzmann: Jerry and I started diving, 3897 03:29:44,081 --> 03:29:46,250 I think back in '86. 3898 03:29:46,283 --> 03:29:48,352 You couldn't keep us out of the water. 3899 03:29:48,385 --> 03:29:49,721 He loved diving. 3900 03:29:51,022 --> 03:29:52,624 He loved the ocean, 3901 03:29:52,657 --> 03:29:54,367 and and used to do this thing with his hands 3902 03:29:54,391 --> 03:29:55,960 so it looked like a squid, right? 3903 03:29:55,993 --> 03:29:57,094 Like that. 3904 03:29:57,128 --> 03:29:59,063 And fuckin'... out of nowhere 3905 03:29:59,096 --> 03:30:00,798 all these fish would come around. 3906 03:30:00,832 --> 03:30:03,034 You know, it was like, he had this attraction. 3907 03:30:03,067 --> 03:30:06,170 Whether it was fish, audience, whatever, you know, 3908 03:30:06,203 --> 03:30:08,139 He always had this way of attracting things. 3909 03:30:10,007 --> 03:30:11,375 We liked to dive 3910 03:30:11,408 --> 03:30:13,110 because it has a sense of freedom 3911 03:30:13,144 --> 03:30:16,347 that I don't know where else you could get that. 3912 03:30:18,182 --> 03:30:20,184 Here was this beautiful buffer, the ocean, 3913 03:30:20,217 --> 03:30:22,754 that kept all that outside shit away. 3914 03:30:22,787 --> 03:30:24,321 You didn't have to sign autographs 3915 03:30:24,355 --> 03:30:25,623 or any of that crap. 3916 03:30:27,959 --> 03:30:31,128 Meier: So he turned me on to that world of his. 3917 03:30:32,229 --> 03:30:33,798 And I loved it. 3918 03:30:34,899 --> 03:30:36,233 I loved it. 3919 03:30:42,206 --> 03:30:43,808 At one point, 3920 03:30:43,841 --> 03:30:46,944 we're tired after diving and hanging out. 3921 03:30:46,978 --> 03:30:48,345 He just looks at me, and he said... 3922 03:30:49,714 --> 03:30:51,348 "Would you marry me?" 3923 03:30:54,919 --> 03:30:59,056 I said, "Yeah, okay." 3924 03:31:01,192 --> 03:31:04,796 So I didn't know what we were doing until that moment. 3925 03:31:06,263 --> 03:31:07,965 Then he got on the phone. 3926 03:31:07,999 --> 03:31:09,934 He calls Hunter, and he calls everybody. 3927 03:31:09,967 --> 03:31:11,969 He says, "We're getting married." 3928 03:31:12,003 --> 03:31:15,172 And he's all excited, and he's all happy. 3929 03:31:15,206 --> 03:31:18,743 It's like, "Okay, what do we gotta do?" 3930 03:31:20,377 --> 03:31:21,779 Acupuncture. 3931 03:31:22,880 --> 03:31:24,882 Quit smoking. 3932 03:31:24,916 --> 03:31:27,418 Exercise. 3933 03:31:27,451 --> 03:31:30,187 Walk around the lake every day. 3934 03:31:30,221 --> 03:31:33,725 We... We started working on Bowflexes. 3935 03:31:33,758 --> 03:31:36,127 We had a trainer, personal trainer. 3936 03:31:37,795 --> 03:31:39,230 Suddenly he feels creative 3937 03:31:39,263 --> 03:31:41,365 and he wants to start writing songs. 3938 03:31:41,398 --> 03:31:42,934 Hey. 3939 03:31:42,967 --> 03:31:44,435 Get in there, fellers. 3940 03:31:44,468 --> 03:31:47,705 Meier: And it's like, "Hunter, come on over." 3941 03:31:47,739 --> 03:31:50,074 They wrote six songs. 3942 03:31:50,107 --> 03:31:54,879 I mean, it was just this amazing eruption of energy. 3943 03:31:54,912 --> 03:31:56,814 Okay, I'm ready. 3944 03:31:56,848 --> 03:32:00,051 1, 2, 3, 4. 3945 03:32:05,389 --> 03:32:07,424 Meier: There was this feeling. 3946 03:32:09,093 --> 03:32:10,962 It was real. 3947 03:32:10,995 --> 03:32:14,165 I wasn't the only one who felt it. They felt it. 3948 03:32:16,367 --> 03:32:18,903 It was like, we're back. 3949 03:32:20,772 --> 03:32:22,974 We're back to those days 3950 03:32:23,007 --> 03:32:24,517 when we used to pick you up from high school 3951 03:32:24,541 --> 03:32:26,143 and drive around, 3952 03:32:26,177 --> 03:32:28,312 and we were all together, and it was all new, 3953 03:32:28,345 --> 03:32:31,282 and it was all fresh, and it was all... 3954 03:32:31,315 --> 03:32:33,050 alive. 3955 03:32:39,556 --> 03:32:42,259 McNally: Reconnecting with someone after 30 years... 3956 03:32:43,995 --> 03:32:47,364 there's no way that you can't feel, you know, 3957 03:32:47,398 --> 03:32:49,400 in some weird way that you're young again. 3958 03:32:51,268 --> 03:32:53,004 Hunter certainly thought so. 3959 03:32:53,037 --> 03:32:56,407 He wrote "The Days Between" about just that. 3960 03:32:58,175 --> 03:33:01,345 It's the last Hunter-Garcia masterpiece. 3961 03:33:01,378 --> 03:33:05,116 It's about looking back on your youth 3962 03:33:05,149 --> 03:33:08,285 and seeing your whole life 3963 03:33:08,319 --> 03:33:09,987 that has passed in the interval, 3964 03:33:10,021 --> 03:33:11,956 and that's... That's "The Days Between." 3965 03:33:11,989 --> 03:33:13,290 It's your life. 3966 03:33:15,492 --> 03:33:18,930 ♪ Walked upon a mountaintop 3967 03:33:22,967 --> 03:33:26,170 ♪ Walked barefoot through the snow ♪ 3968 03:33:30,007 --> 03:33:33,177 ♪ Gave the best we had to give ♪ 3969 03:33:37,314 --> 03:33:40,885 ♪ How much we'll never know 3970 03:33:42,219 --> 03:33:46,390 ♪ Never know 3971 03:33:49,994 --> 03:33:52,029 It wasn't me. 3972 03:33:52,063 --> 03:33:54,198 It was... 3973 03:33:54,231 --> 03:33:57,168 He got in touch with a part of him. 3974 03:33:57,201 --> 03:33:59,937 I was just a catalyst, okay? 3975 03:33:59,971 --> 03:34:02,874 But he... 3976 03:34:02,907 --> 03:34:06,577 I think he had been suffering for a long time 3977 03:34:06,610 --> 03:34:10,181 under the weight and responsibility 3978 03:34:10,214 --> 03:34:12,016 of this behemoth. 3979 03:34:15,019 --> 03:34:17,188 I mean, at one point... I can... I remember him. 3980 03:34:17,221 --> 03:34:19,456 We're in the kitchen, we're talking, 3981 03:34:19,490 --> 03:34:21,558 and he said, "You know, 3982 03:34:21,592 --> 03:34:24,628 "I'd like to just live on the ice cream money. 3983 03:34:24,661 --> 03:34:27,198 "You know, I could do that. 3984 03:34:27,231 --> 03:34:31,335 I could just live on that and say the hell with this." 3985 03:34:33,670 --> 03:34:35,472 And, I said, "Well, why don't you?" 3986 03:34:36,941 --> 03:34:38,475 "Oh, man, come on, 3987 03:34:38,509 --> 03:34:42,413 "do you know how many people are depending 3988 03:34:42,446 --> 03:34:44,848 on this show going down the road?" 3989 03:34:48,385 --> 03:34:50,922 And I understood in that moment. 3990 03:34:50,955 --> 03:34:53,224 It was a machine by then. 3991 03:34:56,093 --> 03:34:57,929 It wasn't just a bunch of guys 3992 03:34:57,962 --> 03:35:00,864 getting together and making music. 3993 03:35:02,599 --> 03:35:06,637 This enormous community was demanding 3994 03:35:06,670 --> 03:35:11,242 that he be the Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia. 3995 03:35:15,212 --> 03:35:17,114 Where's the freedom in that? 3996 03:35:19,984 --> 03:35:23,254 McNally: The Grateful Dead became a weight. 3997 03:35:23,287 --> 03:35:25,556 By the Grateful Dead, I do not mean the six guys, 3998 03:35:25,589 --> 03:35:29,126 I mean the phenomenon. 3999 03:35:29,160 --> 03:35:32,663 He had fifty people, including me, 4000 03:35:32,696 --> 03:35:35,699 whose paycheck he was in charge of. 4001 03:35:35,732 --> 03:35:38,502 And their families. 4002 03:35:38,535 --> 03:35:41,238 And a million people who demanded that he play 4003 03:35:41,272 --> 03:35:44,075 eighty nights a year for their happiness factor. 4004 03:35:44,108 --> 03:35:45,342 And it was a weight. 4005 03:35:45,376 --> 03:35:46,710 It was a responsibility. 4006 03:35:46,743 --> 03:35:49,146 This was a guy who didn't want responsibility. 4007 03:35:49,180 --> 03:35:51,115 So he self-medicated 4008 03:35:51,148 --> 03:35:55,019 and had been doing so for a very long time. 4009 03:35:56,453 --> 03:36:01,025 Meier: I can remember a really chilling moment. 4010 03:36:01,058 --> 03:36:05,462 I'm backstage and I'm sitting on the black equipment boxes. 4011 03:36:05,496 --> 03:36:08,399 And the doctor is telling me, 4012 03:36:08,432 --> 03:36:10,567 yeah, Jerry's using again. 4013 03:36:12,403 --> 03:36:15,639 Suddenly, it's all too obvious. 4014 03:36:17,241 --> 03:36:19,510 He's been out of it, 4015 03:36:19,543 --> 03:36:23,514 and he's been unpleasant to be around. 4016 03:36:26,183 --> 03:36:30,621 And then the road manager, he's saying, 4017 03:36:30,654 --> 03:36:32,156 "You know... you know, Jerry's cool, 4018 03:36:32,189 --> 03:36:34,025 he's cool, he can handle this." 4019 03:36:34,058 --> 03:36:36,203 I said, "Well why don't... Why doesn't he go into rehab?" 4020 03:36:36,227 --> 03:36:38,662 "It's cool, he's gonna kick. He always does, 4021 03:36:38,695 --> 03:36:40,497 and just, just hang in there with it." 4022 03:36:40,531 --> 03:36:42,166 "Why don't we just do an intervention?" 4023 03:36:42,199 --> 03:36:45,036 "Don't say anything. 4024 03:36:45,069 --> 03:36:46,403 "This is the Grateful Dead, man. 4025 03:36:46,437 --> 03:36:49,340 "We gotta keep this show goin'. 4026 03:36:49,373 --> 03:36:51,475 We gotta keep goin'." 4027 03:36:56,147 --> 03:36:59,250 Cutler: The secret of longevity in the music business 4028 03:36:59,283 --> 03:37:01,718 is to get away from it. Alright? 4029 03:37:01,752 --> 03:37:04,255 You gotta leave it man. Fuck off. 4030 03:37:04,288 --> 03:37:05,565 Learn how to be a deep sea fisherman. 4031 03:37:05,589 --> 03:37:07,558 Go SCUBA diving. Whatever it is. 4032 03:37:07,591 --> 03:37:14,165 Snow skiing. Become, and be, something completely else. 4033 03:37:14,198 --> 03:37:18,135 For somebody like Garcia, I mean, that's the only way to survive. 4034 03:37:21,505 --> 03:37:24,541 Lesh: We had staff that, you know, 4035 03:37:24,575 --> 03:37:27,278 depended on us for their living. 4036 03:37:27,311 --> 03:37:30,181 And we convinced ourselves that we owed it 4037 03:37:30,214 --> 03:37:32,583 to our employees to keep going. 4038 03:37:35,186 --> 03:37:37,821 Right or wrong. 4039 03:37:37,854 --> 03:37:41,692 I could wish that we'd thought more about Jerry. 4040 03:37:41,725 --> 03:37:45,529 And, uh... 4041 03:37:45,562 --> 03:37:48,199 So, yeah. That's a... 4042 03:37:48,232 --> 03:37:50,767 That's a tender place. 4043 03:37:58,375 --> 03:38:02,479 Meier: So, after the show, 4044 03:38:02,513 --> 03:38:05,516 we go back to the hotel room. 4045 03:38:05,549 --> 03:38:08,719 I say, "I just want you to know 4046 03:38:08,752 --> 03:38:11,522 "that I know that you're using, 4047 03:38:11,555 --> 03:38:13,857 "and that's fine, that's okay, that's cool. 4048 03:38:13,890 --> 03:38:17,261 "You do what you wanna do, I don't... I'm not gonna try and stop you. 4049 03:38:17,294 --> 03:38:21,832 "I just really don't want any secrets between us. 4050 03:38:21,865 --> 03:38:25,769 You know, I just don't want any secrets." 4051 03:38:32,143 --> 03:38:36,680 And he looked at me, and the room got cold, 4052 03:38:36,713 --> 03:38:40,784 and he says... 4053 03:38:40,817 --> 03:38:44,821 "I think it's time for you to go now." 4054 03:38:48,925 --> 03:38:55,232 And he said, "You know, I can't thank you enough, 4055 03:38:55,266 --> 03:38:58,269 but this isn't gonna work." 4056 03:39:08,479 --> 03:39:10,381 The band left, 4057 03:39:10,414 --> 03:39:13,650 and then I left for the airport. 4058 03:39:15,619 --> 03:39:20,257 I never saw him again. 4059 03:39:20,291 --> 03:39:22,559 That was that. 4060 03:39:25,896 --> 03:39:29,533 McNally: Have you ever had a friend who was addicted? 4061 03:39:29,566 --> 03:39:33,537 Until they decide that that's what they want, 4062 03:39:33,570 --> 03:39:36,873 everything you can say is just gonna go 4063 03:39:36,907 --> 03:39:40,511 in one ear and out the other. 4064 03:39:40,544 --> 03:39:44,381 It's not like the band didn't talk to him. 4065 03:39:44,415 --> 03:39:47,384 It's not like the band... The band didn't, you know, 4066 03:39:47,418 --> 03:39:51,922 stage periodic, you know, big throw down interventions. 4067 03:39:56,793 --> 03:39:59,930 That's the way it was. 4068 03:40:02,599 --> 03:40:05,469 Parish: He was my boss, and my friend, 4069 03:40:05,502 --> 03:40:09,206 and somebody that I wanted to protect from harm. 4070 03:40:10,741 --> 03:40:14,678 But could I help him save himself from his own self? 4071 03:40:16,347 --> 03:40:20,717 I always thought of Jerry as a strong guy. 4072 03:40:20,751 --> 03:40:24,388 I remember one time when a guy came bolting out of the audience 4073 03:40:24,421 --> 03:40:26,357 so quick before I could get to him, 4074 03:40:26,390 --> 03:40:28,425 and he was zeroed in on grabbin' Jerry to hug him. 4075 03:40:28,459 --> 03:40:30,227 A lot of time people would just want to 4076 03:40:30,261 --> 03:40:32,529 jump up there and hug 'em, you know while he's playin'... 4077 03:40:32,563 --> 03:40:35,566 It's awkward. And Jerry took his guitar, 4078 03:40:35,599 --> 03:40:37,701 and point foremost, bang that guy 4079 03:40:37,734 --> 03:40:40,437 right in the solar plexus and didn't miss a note, 4080 03:40:40,471 --> 03:40:41,805 and knocked him into my arms. 4081 03:40:41,838 --> 03:40:44,275 I said, well there, you know, you see it. 4082 03:40:44,308 --> 03:40:46,743 He was strong, you know. 4083 03:40:46,777 --> 03:40:48,879 And, I didn't ever think 4084 03:40:48,912 --> 03:40:52,549 that he would get deteriorated in that way. 4085 03:40:54,918 --> 03:40:56,696 Kreutzmann: I always thought we were gonna be able 4086 03:40:56,720 --> 03:40:58,989 to get through to Jerry, 4087 03:40:59,022 --> 03:41:01,268 that we were gonna be able to help get him into treatment. 4088 03:41:01,292 --> 03:41:03,860 We had seen Jerry clean up and... 4089 03:41:03,894 --> 03:41:05,496 We've all racked our brains. 4090 03:41:05,529 --> 03:41:07,030 ...and be in great shape. 4091 03:41:07,063 --> 03:41:08,799 What could we have done differently? 4092 03:41:08,832 --> 03:41:11,335 I had faith that Jerry would come back around. 4093 03:41:11,368 --> 03:41:14,505 The only thing we could have done was to have taken a break. 4094 03:41:14,538 --> 03:41:16,707 Another break. 4095 03:41:16,740 --> 03:41:18,675 You know, and I would've- I would've- 4096 03:41:18,709 --> 03:41:20,611 I would've been okay with it this time. 4097 03:41:20,644 --> 03:41:24,448 But I never thought that if we did take a break 4098 03:41:24,481 --> 03:41:25,882 that Jerry would stop. 4099 03:41:25,916 --> 03:41:27,818 He would just go out with the Jerry Garcia Band 4100 03:41:27,851 --> 03:41:29,920 and keep going. 4101 03:41:31,822 --> 03:41:34,558 Trixie: Jerry was a very strong individual. 4102 03:41:34,591 --> 03:41:36,460 Hart: Jerry Garcia was a lot of great things. 4103 03:41:36,493 --> 03:41:38,495 You didn't tell Jerry what to do. 4104 03:41:38,529 --> 03:41:40,030 He was a really cool guy. 4105 03:41:40,063 --> 03:41:42,699 You know, until he killed himself. 4106 03:41:42,733 --> 03:41:45,336 Yeah, until he killed himself. 4107 03:41:45,369 --> 03:41:47,438 That's really what happened. 4108 03:41:49,573 --> 03:41:54,478 Barlow: I remember toward the end of the fateful last tour,... 4109 03:41:56,079 --> 03:42:00,551 they were playing Meadowlands in New Jersey. 4110 03:42:00,584 --> 03:42:01,985 And I turned around, 4111 03:42:02,018 --> 03:42:05,956 and there's Garcia looking all white. 4112 03:42:05,989 --> 03:42:08,792 You know, everything's, like, his beard, his face, 4113 03:42:08,825 --> 03:42:13,397 his skin is, like, he's-he's kind of like 4114 03:42:13,430 --> 03:42:16,633 a luminous white figure, 4115 03:42:16,667 --> 03:42:20,771 already kind of angelic. 4116 03:42:20,804 --> 03:42:24,808 And I think he'd just had enough. 4117 03:42:26,843 --> 03:42:31,382 Cutler: Garcia was suffering, being in the Grateful Dead. 4118 03:42:31,415 --> 03:42:33,984 I don't think that it was the dream 4119 03:42:34,017 --> 03:42:37,821 that he, you know, wanted realized. 4120 03:42:39,456 --> 03:42:41,124 The Grateful Dead had become 4121 03:42:41,157 --> 03:42:44,495 a hugely successful rock and roll band, 4122 03:42:44,528 --> 03:42:47,698 and in the process, of course, 4123 03:42:47,731 --> 03:42:50,601 they lost certain things. 4124 03:42:52,703 --> 03:42:54,671 Paumgarten: You see people cheering 4125 03:42:54,705 --> 03:42:58,074 even when they should be crying. 4126 03:42:58,108 --> 03:43:02,078 Either because the performance is very poor 4127 03:43:02,112 --> 03:43:05,682 or because the song is-is, you know, is a dirge. 4128 03:43:06,817 --> 03:43:10,821 ♪ Yesterday I begged you 4129 03:43:15,125 --> 03:43:18,729 ♪ Before I hit the ground 4130 03:43:18,762 --> 03:43:21,064 Paumgarten: He's singing about his own death, 4131 03:43:21,097 --> 03:43:24,501 looking like he's about to die. 4132 03:43:24,535 --> 03:43:28,539 ♪ All I leave behind me 4133 03:43:30,541 --> 03:43:36,447 ♪ Is only what I found 4134 03:43:37,714 --> 03:43:39,115 Paumgarten: When I was younger, 4135 03:43:39,149 --> 03:43:42,453 it made the music more interesting for me. 4136 03:43:42,486 --> 03:43:45,021 But by '95, 4137 03:43:45,055 --> 03:43:47,624 it was a depressing and pretty intense experience. 4138 03:43:49,660 --> 03:43:51,127 You know, he had something in him 4139 03:43:51,161 --> 03:43:56,767 that embraced his own self-destruction. 4140 03:44:05,576 --> 03:44:07,978 Garcia: I feel that my real responsibility 4141 03:44:08,011 --> 03:44:10,747 is to the audience in the now, you know? 4142 03:44:12,549 --> 03:44:14,150 There was a conscious decision in my life 4143 03:44:14,184 --> 03:44:16,587 to be involved in something that was flowing, 4144 03:44:16,620 --> 03:44:18,955 and dynamic, and living... 4145 03:44:18,989 --> 03:44:23,126 and not so solid that you couldn't tear it down. 4146 03:44:24,995 --> 03:44:26,697 Something that had a life of its own 4147 03:44:26,730 --> 03:44:29,432 and I was just a part of it. 4148 03:44:33,737 --> 03:44:36,940 McNally: Monuments are an attempt to subvert death. 4149 03:44:36,973 --> 03:44:39,442 To transcend death. 4150 03:44:41,144 --> 03:44:45,582 To make a monument of something freezes it forever. 4151 03:44:47,784 --> 03:44:51,622 That is exactly opposite what Jerry wanted. 4152 03:44:55,125 --> 03:44:59,930 From the very beginning, Jerry wanted to do something 4153 03:44:59,963 --> 03:45:02,499 in real time 4154 03:45:02,533 --> 03:45:04,768 and to touch people's hearts. 4155 03:45:06,870 --> 03:45:09,840 He wanted to make the Grateful Dead 4156 03:45:09,873 --> 03:45:13,510 as open-ended as possible. 4157 03:45:15,245 --> 03:45:16,813 Garcia: For me it has a lot to do with 4158 03:45:16,847 --> 03:45:19,015 getting out of the way, you know what I mean? 4159 03:45:19,049 --> 03:45:24,788 At some point I decided not to be "me" 4160 03:45:24,821 --> 03:45:27,858 and to be "they." 4161 03:45:27,891 --> 03:45:31,728 When it's something more than my own little self. 4162 03:45:31,762 --> 03:45:34,798 That's it, that's the goal. 4163 03:45:36,800 --> 03:45:40,771 McNally: In the last year and a half, two year of his life, 4164 03:45:40,804 --> 03:45:45,275 when the diabetes was playing havoc with his moods, 4165 03:45:45,308 --> 03:45:47,911 I knew he didn't want to do interviews, 4166 03:45:47,944 --> 03:45:51,281 and so I didn't ask him. 4167 03:45:51,314 --> 03:45:54,117 But six months before he died, 4168 03:45:54,150 --> 03:45:57,954 I got a request, and I took one look 4169 03:45:57,988 --> 03:46:00,891 and I went "This he's going to want to do." 4170 03:46:00,924 --> 03:46:04,728 Garcia: My mother, I think, must of taken me to see it. 4171 03:46:04,761 --> 03:46:07,664 McNally: The interview was for a show on the American Movie Channel 4172 03:46:07,698 --> 03:46:09,766 called "The Movie That Changed My Life." 4173 03:46:09,800 --> 03:46:11,301 Garcia: You know I had my head down 4174 03:46:11,334 --> 03:46:12,903 and I cried and except occasionally 4175 03:46:12,936 --> 03:46:14,971 I would glimpse the screen and go, "Oh, ah!" 4176 03:46:15,005 --> 03:46:16,272 He immediately just sat down 4177 03:46:16,306 --> 03:46:18,241 and said, "Oh yeah!" 4178 03:46:18,274 --> 03:46:20,010 And started talking for half an hour. 4179 03:46:22,613 --> 03:46:24,781 Garcia: That whole business evoked something. 4180 03:46:24,815 --> 03:46:27,283 It like, touched something, you know what I mean? 4181 03:46:27,317 --> 03:46:29,185 Something... I don't know what. 4182 03:46:29,219 --> 03:46:31,254 Something very strong. 4183 03:46:31,287 --> 03:46:34,324 It might have been the- the thing of 4184 03:46:34,357 --> 03:46:35,959 a dead thing brought to life. 4185 03:46:37,227 --> 03:46:38,795 Frankenstein's Monster, after all, 4186 03:46:38,829 --> 03:46:42,132 is a drive to reanimate or to... 4187 03:46:42,165 --> 03:46:44,801 To produce life. 4188 03:46:44,835 --> 03:46:47,237 Dr. Frankenstein: It's alive. 4189 03:46:47,270 --> 03:46:49,740 Garcia: And it hit me in that archetypal center. 4190 03:46:49,773 --> 03:46:51,842 Dr. Frankenstein: It's alive! 4191 03:46:51,875 --> 03:46:53,309 You know like, vaboom, you know? 4192 03:46:53,343 --> 03:46:54,645 Dong, you know? 4193 03:46:54,678 --> 03:46:56,713 ♪ Death don't 4194 03:46:59,015 --> 03:47:01,584 ♪ Have no mercy 4195 03:47:03,153 --> 03:47:06,156 ♪ In this land 4196 03:47:08,759 --> 03:47:10,393 Garcia: But, really it's workin'. 4197 03:47:10,426 --> 03:47:13,964 The Grateful Dead is this living, breathing thing. 4198 03:47:13,997 --> 03:47:17,167 ♪ Death don't 4199 03:47:17,200 --> 03:47:18,635 It's not up to us to define it. 4200 03:47:18,669 --> 03:47:19,970 ♪ Have no mercy 4201 03:47:20,003 --> 03:47:22,706 Or to enclose it in any way. 4202 03:47:22,739 --> 03:47:24,641 ♪ In this land 4203 03:47:24,675 --> 03:47:25,909 It's whatever it is. 4204 03:47:28,378 --> 03:47:31,915 ♪ In this land 4205 03:47:31,948 --> 03:47:34,785 I think that's one of the parts of its magic. 4206 03:47:36,286 --> 03:47:39,823 The effect seems to be not defining it 4207 03:47:39,856 --> 03:47:41,291 is that it becomes everything. 4208 03:49:00,436 --> 03:49:03,073 Woman: Nancy Smith and Ed Rooney were the two winners, 4209 03:49:03,106 --> 03:49:04,875 but we're gonna break in and break format, 4210 03:49:04,908 --> 03:49:06,309 - um, for a moment here. - Man: Yes. 4211 03:49:06,342 --> 03:49:09,179 Woman: We just got some real bad news. 4212 03:49:11,547 --> 03:49:13,283 Reporter: Okay, that's fantastic. 4213 03:49:13,316 --> 03:49:14,918 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 4214 03:49:14,951 --> 03:49:16,419 My pleasure. I really enjoyed it. 4215 03:49:16,452 --> 03:49:17,797 Male reporter: Could I take a few quick photos? 4216 03:49:17,821 --> 03:49:19,022 Oh, god, if you have to. 4217 03:49:19,055 --> 03:49:20,532 Male Reporter 2: It's incredibly tragic, 4218 03:49:20,556 --> 03:49:22,392 and it's a little frustrating right now 4219 03:49:22,425 --> 03:49:24,761 because we don't know anything more than the fact 4220 03:49:24,795 --> 03:49:27,397 that Jerry Garcia has died. 4221 03:49:27,430 --> 03:49:29,265 He was found dead a couple of hours ago. 4222 03:49:29,299 --> 03:49:30,376 Male Reporter 3: There's no easy way to break this news to you, 4223 03:49:30,400 --> 03:49:33,403 but it's true, the unthinkable, 4224 03:49:33,436 --> 03:49:35,105 and the inevitable has happened, 4225 03:49:35,138 --> 03:49:38,108 and Jerry's gone. 4226 03:49:38,141 --> 03:49:40,052 Male Reporter 4: ...Grateful Dead died earlier this morning 4227 03:49:40,076 --> 03:49:42,278 in California, of an apparent heart attack. 4228 03:49:42,312 --> 03:49:46,249 Male Reporter 5: He's said to have died with a smile on his face. 4229 03:49:50,353 --> 03:49:53,356 Garcia: Well, thanks a lot, you guys, I certainly enjoyed it. 4230 03:49:53,389 --> 03:49:54,891 Woman: Thank you. 4231 03:49:57,360 --> 03:50:03,433 ♪ Fare you well, my honey 4232 03:50:07,270 --> 03:50:14,110 ♪ Fare you well, my only true one ♪ 4233 03:50:16,079 --> 03:50:21,051 ♪ All the birds that were singing ♪ 4234 03:50:23,586 --> 03:50:26,990 ♪ Are flown 4235 03:50:27,023 --> 03:50:32,963 ♪ Except you alone 4236 03:50:32,996 --> 03:50:35,065 Man: Hi. Bob would like to make a brief statement, 4237 03:50:35,098 --> 03:50:36,432 and please, no questions. 4238 03:50:38,234 --> 03:50:41,604 ♪ Going to leave this brokedown palace ♪ 4239 03:50:41,637 --> 03:50:44,474 Well, I guess some sad news has come our way. 4240 03:50:44,507 --> 03:50:46,409 This morning, Jerry Garcia, 4241 03:50:46,442 --> 03:50:49,012 our friend and my brother, 4242 03:50:49,045 --> 03:50:51,848 passed away. 4243 03:50:51,882 --> 03:50:54,050 And I guess not much can be said about that, 4244 03:50:54,084 --> 03:50:58,188 except that we also have to remember 4245 03:50:58,221 --> 03:51:01,124 that his life was a... 4246 03:51:01,157 --> 03:51:03,326 far more a blessing for all of us. 4247 03:51:03,359 --> 03:51:05,295 And I think we should, perhaps, if we're gonna 4248 03:51:05,328 --> 03:51:08,098 dwell on anything, dwell on that. 4249 03:51:11,267 --> 03:51:12,869 Thank you. 4250 03:51:12,903 --> 03:51:15,638 ♪ In a bed, in a bed 4251 03:51:15,671 --> 03:51:20,176 ♪ By the waterside I will lay my head ♪ 4252 03:51:20,210 --> 03:51:24,647 ♪ Listen to the river sing sweet songs ♪ 4253 03:51:24,680 --> 03:51:27,250 ♪ To rock my soul 4254 03:51:31,054 --> 03:51:35,892 Weir: Jerry wasn't interested in building something 4255 03:51:35,926 --> 03:51:40,230 that will stand the test of time. 4256 03:51:40,263 --> 03:51:44,901 But I-I don't think that what we see 4257 03:51:44,935 --> 03:51:50,173 as time can put an end to what we had. 4258 03:51:50,206 --> 03:51:53,176 I think it was, is, and will be there. 4259 03:51:55,511 --> 03:51:58,014 Those moments were more alive 4260 03:51:58,048 --> 03:52:02,218 than-than anything that a heart pumps out. 4261 03:52:05,155 --> 03:52:07,223 That's what we were living for. 4262 03:52:08,691 --> 03:52:12,395 And that was what we were trying to coax through 4263 03:52:12,428 --> 03:52:14,297 on any given night on stage. 4264 03:52:20,536 --> 03:52:22,538 That was the fun. 4265 03:52:22,572 --> 03:52:24,207 That was the fun he was talking about. 4266 03:52:24,240 --> 03:52:26,409 That's eternity. 4267 03:52:26,442 --> 03:52:30,080 ♪ River gonna take me 4268 03:52:30,113 --> 03:52:33,616 ♪ Sing me sweet and sleepy 4269 03:52:35,251 --> 03:52:38,054 ♪ Sing me sweet and sleepy 4270 03:52:38,088 --> 03:52:41,557 ♪ All the way back back home 4271 03:52:43,359 --> 03:52:47,163 ♪ It's a far gone lullaby 4272 03:52:47,197 --> 03:52:51,601 ♪ Sung many years ago 4273 03:52:51,634 --> 03:52:55,538 ♪ Mama, Mama, many worlds I've come ♪ 4274 03:52:55,571 --> 03:52:58,975 ♪ Since I first left home 4275 03:53:00,276 --> 03:53:03,346 ♪ Going home, going home 4276 03:53:03,379 --> 03:53:08,118 ♪ By the waterside I will rest my bones ♪ 4277 03:53:08,151 --> 03:53:12,088 ♪ Listen to the river sing sweet songs ♪ 4278 03:53:12,122 --> 03:53:14,657 ♪ To rock my soul 4279 03:53:18,761 --> 03:53:22,465 Garcia: I'm real happy with the Grateful Dead. 4280 03:53:22,498 --> 03:53:25,035 I'm real happy with it. 4281 03:53:25,068 --> 03:53:27,370 What I'm hopin' is to be able to 4282 03:53:27,403 --> 03:53:30,573 see some way of extending this idea beyond ourselves. 4283 03:53:30,606 --> 03:53:32,442 You know what I mean? I wanna be feeling 4284 03:53:32,475 --> 03:53:35,211 that this idea can continue without us. 4285 03:53:35,245 --> 03:53:37,547 It doesn't have to be the Grateful Dead, 4286 03:53:37,580 --> 03:53:40,250 but something, you know? 4287 03:53:40,283 --> 03:53:43,119 Kerouac's books opened up doors for me that... 4288 03:53:43,153 --> 03:53:45,255 That put me in this life, you know? 4289 03:53:45,288 --> 03:53:47,457 I would like to do that for somebody else, 4290 03:53:47,490 --> 03:53:49,659 you know what I mean? 4291 03:53:49,692 --> 03:53:51,561 And then it will be there for anybody 4292 03:53:51,594 --> 03:53:55,098 who's got the spirit to go for it. 4293 03:53:56,399 --> 03:53:59,569 ♪ Fare you well, fare you well ♪ 4294 03:53:59,602 --> 03:54:03,773 ♪ I love you more than words can tell ♪ 4295 03:54:03,806 --> 03:54:07,443 ♪ Listen to the river sing sweet songs ♪ 4296 03:54:07,477 --> 03:54:10,680 ♪ To rock my soul 4297 03:54:10,713 --> 03:54:17,553 ♪ Doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo-doo ♪ 4298 03:54:19,189 --> 03:54:25,695 ♪ Doo doo-doo-doo, doo-doo doo-doo ♪ 4299 03:54:25,728 --> 03:54:29,465 ♪ Doo-doo-doo 4300 03:54:29,499 --> 03:54:34,404 ♪ Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo 4301 03:54:34,437 --> 03:54:37,707 ♪ Doo doo-doo-doo 4302 03:54:37,740 --> 03:54:40,743 ♪ Doo-doo doo-doo 4303 03:54:40,776 --> 03:54:45,181 ♪ Doo-doo do doo-doo-doo 4304 03:54:45,215 --> 03:54:49,419 ♪ Doo-doo doo-doo 4305 03:55:31,227 --> 03:55:35,165 ♪ If my words did glow ♪ 4306 03:55:35,198 --> 03:55:39,402 ♪ With the gold of sunshine ♪ 4307 03:55:39,435 --> 03:55:43,506 ♪ And my tunes were played ♪ 4308 03:55:43,539 --> 03:55:46,709 ♪ On the harp unstrung ♪ 4309 03:55:46,742 --> 03:55:50,313 ♪ Would you hear my voice ♪ 4310 03:55:50,346 --> 03:55:54,450 ♪ Come through the music? ♪ 4311 03:55:54,484 --> 03:55:59,189 ♪ Would you hold it near ♪ 4312 03:56:26,349 --> 03:56:30,520 ♪ Let there be songs 4313 03:56:30,553 --> 03:56:32,855 ♪ To fill the air 4314 03:56:35,858 --> 03:56:40,763 ♪ Ripple in still water ♪ 4315 03:56:42,432 --> 03:56:46,669 ♪ When there is no pebble tossed ♪ 4316 03:56:46,702 --> 03:56:49,639 ♪ Nor wind to blow 4317 03:56:49,672 --> 03:56:52,308 ♪ Reach out your hand ♪ 4318 03:57:44,794 --> 03:57:48,898 ♪ That path is for 4319 03:57:48,931 --> 03:57:51,301 ♪ Your steps alone 4320 03:57:54,870 --> 03:57:59,875 ♪ Ripple in still water ♪ 4321 03:58:01,411 --> 03:58:05,348 ♪ When there is no pebble tossed ♪ 4322 03:58:05,381 --> 03:58:08,651 ♪ Nor wind to blow 4323 03:58:08,684 --> 03:58:11,821 ♪ You who choose 4324 03:58:11,854 --> 03:58:17,293 ♪ To lead must follow ♪ 4325 03:58:17,327 --> 03:58:20,863 ♪ But if you fall 4326 03:58:20,896 --> 03:58:23,899 ♪ You fall alone 4327 03:58:23,933 --> 03:58:27,737 ♪ If you should stand ♪ 4328 03:58:27,770 --> 03:58:30,940 ♪ Then who's to guide you? ♪ 4329 03:58:33,008 --> 03:58:36,479 ♪ If I knew the way 4330 03:58:36,512 --> 03:58:39,615 ♪ I would take you home ♪ 4331 03:58:39,649 --> 03:58:43,319 ♪ La-da-da-da 4332 03:58:43,353 --> 03:58:46,522 ♪ La-da-da-da-da-da 4333 03:58:48,057 --> 03:58:51,927 ♪ Da-da-da, da-da 4334 03:58:51,961 --> 03:58:54,964 ♪ Da-da, da-da-da 4335 03:58:54,997 --> 03:58:58,734 ♪ Da-da-da-da 4336 03:58:58,768 --> 03:59:04,039 ♪ Da-da-da-da-da-da 4337 03:59:04,073 --> 03:59:07,677 ♪ Da-da-da-da 4338 03:59:07,710 --> 03:59:11,847 ♪ Da-da da-da da 4339 03:59:14,784 --> 03:59:16,118 Thanks a lot. 4340 03:59:16,151 --> 03:59:18,754 See you in a little while. 4341 03:59:35,738 --> 03:59:39,008 ♪ I wanna tell you how it's gonna be ♪ 4342 03:59:42,011 --> 03:59:45,047 ♪ You're gonna give your love to me ♪ 4343 03:59:48,083 --> 03:59:51,821 ♪ I wanna love you night and day ♪ 4344 03:59:54,424 --> 03:59:57,693 ♪ You know my love will not fade away ♪ 4345 04:00:00,195 --> 04:00:04,500 ♪ You know my love will not fade away ♪ 4346 04:00:04,534 --> 04:00:06,602 ♪ Not fade away 4347 04:00:37,500 --> 04:00:40,670 ♪ My love is bigger than a Cadillac ♪ 4348 04:00:43,573 --> 04:00:46,776 ♪ I try to show you but you drive me back ♪ 4349 04:00:49,579 --> 04:00:53,115 ♪ Your love for me has got to be real ♪ 4350 04:00:55,818 --> 04:00:59,455 ♪ You're gonna know just how I feel ♪ 4351 04:01:02,191 --> 04:01:06,729 ♪ Our love is real, not fade away ♪ 4352 04:01:06,762 --> 04:01:08,664 ♪ Not fade away 4353 04:01:08,688 --> 04:01:10,688 332365

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